Nintendo and Nvidia Compete in Scumbag Competition - WAN Show May 9, 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: The WAN Show - "Nintendo and Nvidia Compete in Scumbag Competition" (May 9, 2025)

Release Date: May 10, 2025

Hosts: Linus Sebastian and Luke Lafreniere from Linus Tech Tips

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1. Nvidia's RTX 5060 Launch Controversy

Discussion Points:

• Delayed Coverage Strategy: Nvidia reportedly withheld the 8GB variant of the RTX 5060 Ti, causing delays in reviews and coverage. This tactic is believed to suppress any negative feedback before the official launch on May 19, coinciding with Computex 2025.

• Impact on Reviewers: Many reviewers, including partners like TechSpot and Hardware Unboxed, are not receiving drivers until the launch date, hindering their ability to provide timely reviews.

• Speculation on Nvidia’s Motives: Luke theorizes that Nvidia's primary focus has shifted away from GeForce cards, suggesting a potential spin-off to separate the gaming division from other high-margin AI and data center operations.

Notable Quotes:

• [03:18] Luke Lafreniere: "Nvidia is allegedly... bury any reviews of it so that people searching for this card would only find search optimized coverage of the 16GB variant."

• [07:27] Luke Lafreniere: "...they clearly like you look at how botched the 50 Series launch has been...demotivated."

• [09:42] Luke Lafreniere: "Spin off GeForce. Just spin it off as a separate business unit."

2. Nintendo's Updated End User License Agreement (EULA)

Discussion Points:

• Arbitration Clauses: Nintendo of America has introduced clauses in their EULA requiring users to waive the right to join class-action lawsuits. Users can still sue individually or waive arbitration by sending a written letter, though Nintendo encourages contacting customer service for quick resolutions.

• Remote Console Bricking: Additionally, Nintendo reserves the right to make consoles permanently unusable (brick them) if users violate terms such as modding or reverse engineering.

• Community Reaction: This move has stirred frustration among the gaming community, especially among those involved in modding and emulation, raising concerns about game preservation and user rights.

Notable Quotes:

• [20:16] Luke Lafreniere: "Nintendo is tightening the news when it comes to emulation console hacking."

• [21:16] Luke Lafreniere: "...because those change to fulfill to honor your request."

• [23:18] Linus Sebastian: "It’s actually really about Joy Consistent."

3. Experience and Preparations for Computex 2025

Discussion Points:

• Personal Anecdotes: Both hosts share their excitement about attending Computex, with Luke expressing enthusiasm for playing badminton and engaging with tech showcases.

• Company Operations: Discussion touches on the challenges of managing large-scale shows and the shifting roles of reviewers during such events.

Notable Quotes:

• [03:44] Linus Sebastian: "Badminton time."

• [04:30] Luke Lafreniere: "I'm actually excited to play badminton."

4. Internal Company Challenges and Miscommunications

Discussion Points:

• Airtable Issues: Luke recounts difficulties in submitting feedback through Airtable, leading to confusion and miscommunication among the team.

• Merchandise Messaging: The hosts discuss mishaps related to reading and presenting merch messages, highlighting the complexities of internal processes.

• Onboarding New Employees: An awkward onboarding experience is shared, emphasizing the importance of context and communication within the team.

Notable Quotes:

• [04:53] Luke Lafreniere: "I've been scoping them out."

• [30:33] Linus Sebastian: "That's not particularly helpful."

• [56:10] Dan Besser: "Can you send that to me?"

5. Merchandise and LTT Store Updates

Discussion Points:

• Product Launches: Introduction of new merchandise, including cargo pants with different inseam lengths and a new colorway for the Big Nerd Gaming T-shirt.

• Shipping and Pricing Concerns: Luke explains challenges related to shipping rates and production locations, particularly for American customers, and discusses tariff implications.

• Mystery Screwdrivers Promotion: The store is offering mystery screwdrivers at discounted prices, with details on color variations and shipping nuances.

Notable Quotes:

• [37:10] Luke Lafreniere: "We are working on our shipping rates worldwide."

• [42:24] Luke Lafreniere: "There are now two inseam lengths of our legendary cargo pants."

6. Floatplane Exclusive Content and Vlogging Mishaps

Discussion Points:

• Secret Shopper Series: The hosts announce an upcoming episode where they evaluate tech support calls from various brands, with Dell naturally excelling due to their superior GPU shipping practices.

• Colton’s Vlog Attempt: Luke shares an internal floating airplane vlog featuring Colton Potter, highlighting the team's attempts to create engaging content despite awkwardness and technical glitches.

Notable Quotes:

• [50:39] Luke Lafreniere: "We're going to esate Dell, except Dell got a different tech support challenge."

• [53:29] Linus Sebastian: "Those are kind of weird."

7. Discussion on Company Towns with SpaceX Example

Discussion Points:

• SpaceX's New Town in Texas: Cameron County’s new town for SpaceX employees is highlighted, with initiatives to manage road closures and other company activities during launches.

• Pros and Cons: The hosts debate the viability and desirability of establishing a company town, concluding that it’s impractical for Linus Media Group due to scale and operational needs.

Notable Quotes:

• [54:43] Linus Sebastian: "Cameron county in Texas had a vote to incorporate a new town for SpaceX employees."

• [55:47] Luke Lafreniere: "People have lives. They have families. They need to go to school."

8. GTA 6 Trailer Reactions and Anticipation

Discussion Points:

• Trailer Impressions: Although initially lukewarm, both hosts express interest in viewing the GTA 6 trailer from a technical perspective, focusing on its real-time rendering capabilities.

• Hype and Expectations: The massive viewership of the trailer (95 million views) underscores the game’s unprecedented hype, with discussions on expected delays before PC releases.

Notable Quotes:

• [65:30] Luke Lafreniere: "I watched the trailer."

• [67:16] Linus Sebastian: "I will watch this from a tech perspective."

9. AI in Technology and Society

Discussion Points:

• AI Testimony in Court: The episode covers a case where an AI avatar was allowed to testify in court, leading to the imposition of the maximum sentence despite the AI expressing forgiveness towards the accused.

• Meta’s AI App for Social Media: Introduction of Meta’s new AI application that integrates generative AI into social platforms, likened to a mix between Pinterest and Threads, facing criticism and humorous examples of unexpected AI behavior.

• AI’s Role in Education: Concerns are raised about students relying on AI for coursework, with discussions on the reliability of AI detection software and its implications for academic integrity.

Notable Quotes:

• [116:14] Linus Sebastian: "The judge was moved by the testimony... handed down the maximum sentence anyway."

• [121:03] Linus Sebastian: "AI detection software is unreliable... accuracy dropped to just 22.1%."

• [132:50] Luke Lafreniere: "I used it to help name the Smash Champs Badminton Center."

10. VMware's Shift to Subscription Model Post-Broadcom Acquisition

Discussion Points:

• End of Perpetual Licenses: After Broadcom’s acquisition of VMware in November 2023, existing perpetual licenses were discontinued, and support for these licenses was ended.

• Cease and Desist Letters: Users with perpetual licenses received notices demanding the removal of any use beyond the support expiration, effectively pushing them towards subscription models with significant price hikes.

• Community Reaction: The move has been met with frustration, highlighting the predatory nature of shifting long-term customers to costly subscriptions.

Notable Quotes:

• [125:28] Luke Lafreniere: "I'm gonna have to tell you... how that can't be legal."

• [136:30] Luke Lafreniere: "Seeing Always, I just... I would just like to see justice served..."

11. Asetek's Decline and Potential Acquisition

Discussion Points:

• Patent Troll Allegations: Asetek, known for its AIO water coolers, has been criticized for patent trolling by aggressively suing competitors like Cooler Master and Corsair over pump integration patents.

• Financial Struggles: The inability to secure a patent extension resulted in a 40% stock price drop, indicating financial distress and the possibility of acquisition.

• Market Impact: Potential for increased innovation and decreased prices in the AIO cooler market if Asetek is acquired, making pump-integrated designs accessible to more manufacturers.

Notable Quotes:

• [135:26] Luke Lafreniere: "Things are looking so bad for Asetek they might be getting acquired soon."

• [136:26] Linus Sebastian: "Maybe not, but I don't think I would go as far as to say they were hated."

12. Final Remarks and Sponsor Messages

Discussion Points:

• Sponsor Promotions: Throughout the episode, Linus and Luke incorporate sponsor messages, including Lifelock, Odoo, Green Man Gaming, and AMD, often blending them into the conversation humorously.

• After Dark Segment: The hosts engage in light-hearted banter and discuss internal show dynamics, highlighting the camaraderie and occasional awkwardness within the team.

Notable Quotes:

• [07:43] Linus Sebastian: "Here's a major update if you haven't listened yet."

• [146:07] Luke Lafreniere: "And we're still months away from being able to transition..."

• [150:08] Luke Lafreniere: "So I'm gonna go home. Okay, well, congratulations on being sick."

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Conclusion:

In this episode of The WAN Show, Linus and Luke delve into the contentious behaviors of tech giants Nvidia and Nintendo, share personal anecdotes about internal challenges and company operations, discuss exciting merchandise updates, and explore broader themes surrounding AI's integration into society and its implications. The conversation is marked by their characteristic humor, candidness, and a blend of technical insights with relatable personal experiences.

Transcript

[Linus Sebastian]

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[Luke Lafreniere]

What's up, everybody and welcome to the WAN Show. We got a great show lined up for you guys this week. Ooh, there's some juicy tea being spilled about Nvidia being terrible to reviewers and partners again. And in other totally unexpected news, Nintendo of America wants you to give up the right to sue them and. And to give them the right to brick your console remotely. Man, these guys are really like. They're really trying to win the who can be the biggest scuzz bag this week competition, aren't they? Yeah, look at that. Tying it all back to the title of the video like that. What a pro he really is, ladies and gentlemen.

[Linus Sebastian]

Speaking.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's fantastic seeing a professional work like this. Look at the way he doesn't even give his host a chance to say a word. Just talks continuously.

[Linus Sebastian]

Happening too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And the way he just takes. Sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

What else we've got tolerance. It's tolerance. And in the obviously all good news show, we have GTA 6 being delayed by like a year maybe. And company towns are back on the menu again. Let's go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, boy. Oh, did we both press it? Nice. Oh. The show is brought to you today by Odoo, Green man Gaming and AMD, of course, alongside our rap partner, dBrand, our chair partner, Secretlab, and our laptop partner, Dell.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, they did a bit more rapping, it seems, which.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, I saw that. Actually.

[Linus Sebastian]

I like it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I like. And when we do after dark, it'll glow. It won't because we keep the lights on now.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it would have so sick if it did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It would have. Who do you want to do first? N or N. Oh, what did you think I was asking? I mean, why. Why would one of us wait? We could do it at the same time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's go with.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, it works for Beyonce.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's go with shorter.

[Luke Lafreniere]

N. Yeah, sure. Nvidia is allegedly. I'm going to throw in an allegedly there. Even though I totally believe all of this. Allegedly. I believe it. After Nvidia withheld the 8 gigabyte variant of the 5060 Ti, which led to delayed coverage. And this is my personal theory, although I think a lot of other folks agree with me. Delayed coverage as a strategy to bury any reviews of it so that people searching for this card would only find search optimized coverage of the 16 gigabyte variant. Nvidia has struck again with the RTX 5060 TechSpot hardware, unboxed hardware, Lux and many more. Does many more include LTT Labs?

[Linus Sebastian]

Many more, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Have confirmed that they are not receiving drivers for the RTX 5060 until its launch date, May 19. The cherry on top is not only does this delay any non rushed review of this card, but May 19th is the first day of Computex. Meaning that, I mean this says several, but I would say many reviewers won't be able to test the card at all since they are going to be working on the show floor doing coverage of all the cool tech that you guys want to hear about.

[Linus Sebastian]

I do think less reviewers are going to shows these days, but it's still true.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, we're going to be there. Yeah, I'm going to have some fun. I love Computex.

[Linus Sebastian]

Badminton time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm actually excited to play badminton. And also Computex was there. Genuinely though I do enjoy Computex more than Cesar. I never got to do cbit, which I heard was really good. But Computex is my favorite of the remaining. The remaining shows that I have been to.

[Linus Sebastian]

Me too. For sure. All right, here's a very off topic question just to get the show started off right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wasn't quite done with that topic, but.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure, we can come back. Are you going to be able to go to badminton centers in Taiwan without just like inspecting everything?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, don't imagine that I wasn't already doing that for years. I mean I've, I've wanted to build my own center for. I think my first email to my realtor was over five years ago. So like, dude, I've been, I've been on it. I've been on it. No, my buddy over there who runs like half a dozen centers when I was there last year and I think was like in the process of opening up two more because the year before when I went there, he had just opened one center and I was like, dude, you did a great job. I can't believe the budget. You did this on. The, the, the demand for this is so high and completely unmet. Every time I come here it's like impossible to find a court. You should just like do more of this. But like, you know, that's not advice or Anything. Like I didn't want to be responsible for like his whole financial situation. So I come back a year later and he went all in and started up like five more centers. And he was like, and I owe you all. I owe you for it all. Because I wouldn't have done it if you like didn't tell me to do it. And I was like, yo dog, you owe me for one thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't want to be on the hook for that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because if it had gone terrible, you definitely would have owed me nothing in that situation too. This is all on you. You did a great job. But apparently he's killing it. Like just killing it. So anyway, I'm going to go, I'm going to go see my buddy when I'm over there. But where was I going with this? I forget. So yeah, I've been scoping them out. Yeah, okay. Anyway, the point is, several outlets are once again accusing Nvidia of trying to bury any negative coverage of this card before the cards hit the shelves and consumers start ordering them.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can't think of another explanation. I have not heard one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But here's the thing, like I don't, I can't fathom Nvidia at this point because on the one hand they like play these silly games and they will, they will swear up and down that they are not playing games in situations like this. That they, that the drivers just weren't quite ready yet or whatever. Right. But if the drivers aren't ready yet, then just delay it. Okay. So we can, we can poke logical holes in any argument around this. Right? You are playing games. Right. Okay. So now that we've established you are playing games, the question is why?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, what's the point?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because every other aspect of your behavior indicates you don't give a fuck about these value oriented GeForce cards. So why the stakes are so low for you Just they. I've called for this before. I'm gonna do it again. Spin off GeForce. Just spin it off as a separate business unit. Then you don't have to worry about the crappy PL that's like mucking up your beautiful AI self driving machine vision. You know, friggin digits, grid, like beautiful balance sheet. Right. It can just sit over there and have like crappier margins and a bunch of retail customers that are like a ton of work and like are whining at you all the time. And you got this tech media that basically has a borderline adversarial relationship with you. At this point you just go silo that off. You license the chip technology to them. They do. They handle all the GeForce drivers and everything. Why not? What is the argument against it at this point? Because they clearly like you look at how botched the 50 Series launch has been. They clearly don't have their eye on the prize. They're not on the ball when it comes to GeForce because they're demotivated. All the money isn't working on this other stuff. So you need to have an separate bu or even even I dare say separate company. Nvidia GeForce call it GeForce Gaming Corp. Or something. Who cares? You have this separate company whose entire job is to Crush it in GeForce is to delight gamers, you know, like you used to. Because I just, I just don't understand it. They say there's no game. Right. But like and like what is the.

[Linus Sebastian]

Point of way lower importance and it like has to be when looking at their financial statements. But when you look at like the original CES announcement of the 5000 series, you still led with GeForce stuff. The vast majority of the presentation.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The hook.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I know, but if that's still the hook, then I don't think you split it off.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm not convinced that the average Nvidia data center procurer, you know, chief procurement person at some AI thing, I'm not convinced that they really give two hoots about how good a RTX whatever is. I don't, I don't know man, for sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

But there might be an expectation that they do. And if you get that chief procure guy to buy a 50 90, I do think there's a higher chance that that person will have some type of bias towards that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. But there's plenty of cases where you have somewhat affiliate, affiliated, excuse me, affiliated companies who cross license technology between them and they could still, they could even call it like Nvidia Corp. And Nvidia Gaming Corp. Right. Like there's, there's no reason not to still, you know, retain some Nvidia, you know, branding, retain some association. The beginning of that keynote could have been we're excited to announce with our partner GeForce Corp. The based on our all new architecture, the GeForce whatever. I don't think Jensen could even hire himself as the CEO of the other company. I don't care. The point is just that they got to get it off the balance sheet so they can get realistic about what consumers can afford in terms of their margins.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think it's going to change. What do you mean by realistic in terms of what consumers can afford because they're selling everything right now anyways. So, like, in regards to what they will pay, which is all that they actually care about, not what can they afford. They're doing it. So maybe they are really realistic about it. Like if we're just being honest. Because every time that there's been a GPU shortage or, you know, everybody buying cards for mining or whatever, they've flown off the shelves every time and consumers have shown that they'll buy scalped GPUs for $3,000 a pop because they want four more FPS in Fortnite. Like, this is. You just can't use the word realistic when they're like out of stock everywhere.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And that's the other hole that I can poke in there. We're not playing games story. They're going to be out of stock anyway.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So launch it.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's the biggest one for me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So launch it a week later or two weeks later. It doesn't matter. Keep. Keep the production going full tilt, which you obviously haven't been doing anyway. Produce as much as you can and you're still going to sell it on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Launch day anyway, just in case that's confusing for people. He means because they're putting production towards data center stuff instead of these cards.

[Luke Lafreniere]

With that said. With that said, prices have started to creep down a little bit. They're creeping down, though.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think that's Nvidia stated prices.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not as. No, no, no, no. Because. Well, they've never officially changed the msrp, so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But the street prices are slowly ticking their way down. There's not really any pressure on them on the high end, but I.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's none.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know what? I'm taking some validation here. I'm going to do a little victory lap. I know, unusual thing. Go ahead, press the button. But he doesn't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm pretty sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, anyway, I think that Intel's presence in the market is a threat.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I hope so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude, that's. That's the theory that I've clung to. And Battle Mage seems legit, like. And seems to be selling legit. Do you see how many board partners they have now? Like, that's an indication.

[Linus Sebastian]

I haven't looked into that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude. Dude, we're at the point now where they're like almost breaking into brands you would have considered buying a GPU from before. Intel gpu.

[Linus Sebastian]

One quick sec. I know. It's not like it got a low amount of views. It got. It got over a million views. But this video is very interesting and if you haven't watched it, you should go watch it. It's not just like, oh, did I have bugs or not? The conclusion is very interesting and how they both got to their individual conclusions is very interesting. You should go watch the video.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like you could, you can buy an Ark B580 from like Acer or ASRock. ASRock I'd say is like the closest we're getting to like a real add in board partner. When I start seeing like, you know, MSI Gigabyte, Asus putting their necks out to want to be part of the ARC train, then I'm gonna, I'm gonna really be a believer. But at least it's not, at least it's not all, you know, Onyx. Yeah, Onyx does seem to be a significant player for intel here. So there does seem to be a little bit of desperation factor. But they're not the only one anymore. And that's, that's exciting to me. So I, I'm going to say, hey, I'm glad I'm standing behind everything I said about the importance of intel being part of this. And like we said in the title of that video, Luke just popped up. Please, please, intel do not can discrete graphics, please. Because the thing is, it's not like they're going to stop development of ark. ARK is a key strategic piece for them continuing to compete with AMD on mobility. So it's not like, it's not like Celestial and Druid are not going to be developed. It's just a question of whether we're going to get the large scale, more power hungry ones that would go in and add in GPU. And it is not a good sign that B770, the bigger card for this generation, is allegedly canceled. Although I did see a rumor that allegedly it is like uncanceled or maybe was never canceled and maybe is still coming.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, the rumor mill around Intel's GPUs have actually, has actually been horrible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like it's been way more inflammatory and also inaccurate than most rumor mill cycles.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh dude, I'm not going to name a particular YouTuber, but there's a particular YouTuber that on like a super regular basis would be talking about how Ark is definitely canceled now, like repeatedly to the point where I'm just like, dude, even a broken clock is right a couple times a day. Like can you just, can you just not even bother anymore at this point? Because like I just got tired of reading it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And other sites would just, would Just pick up these rumors and just run with them. And I'm like, do you have any idea how stressful that is to the people that actually work within that department.

[Linus Sebastian]

That are just kind of rough?

[Luke Lafreniere]

What? What? What? What? And then, and then it turns out to not even be true and we 100% get Arc Battle Mage. It's like, okay, so what was this based on? Like, I. I don't know, man. I don't know, man. Anyway, no, I'm not. No, I'm not gonna name and shame. I'm not interested in naming and shaming, but apparently B770 is anticipated to feel. You know what? I'm not even gonna read these specs, but I really hope. I really hope it happens, cuz. Battle Mage, man. Let's go. All right, what else we got? What else we got? You want to talk about the other big one?

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure, why not?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can Nintendo just like be likable?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For once, Like, I just. Dude, I just wanna. It's kind of like. Okay, okay, what's it like? Okay, it's like if you love KitKats, you know, and you just. You just want to enjoy your KitKat without thinking about all the water this company is stealing from all the poorest people on earth.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nestle.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And you're just like, I can't even enjoy this. I just want to guilt free enjoy Mario. Okay? I just. I just. I don't want to. I don't want to think about the beast that I'm feeding.

[Linus Sebastian]

Can you even like, with something like this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, no. I'm sorry, Kobby. KitKat is Nestle. Why? Right? I know.

[Linus Sebastian]

So many things are Nestle.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I love Kit Kat.

[Linus Sebastian]

Turns out it's easy to be profitable when you're just objectively evil.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, yeah, dude. I mean, look, we're pretty profitable. And I don't. I don't think. I don't think we do.

[Linus Sebastian]

Imagine how much more profitable all the gambling sponsorships, Right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Although like, all the. All the alcohol sponsorships we could have taken over the years.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And the number of people that hate us anyway, it's like, what. What was even the point?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, apparently KitKat is Nestle in Canada, but Hershey in the USA.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, what? Really?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think Artie said that. Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I did not know is what.

[Dan Besser]

What.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, thank goodness says copy. Oh, man. Yeah. Anyway, okay, well, I just. So I just have to go down.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, okay, Nestle does not own the Hershey company. Nestle does have a licensing agreement with Hershey to manufacture and distribute KitKat and Rolo products in the United States. However, Hershey is a separate independent. That's a AI overview from the El Google.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, well, hopefully that's accurate. Either way. It's okay. Yeah. KitKat. Okay. So all I have to do is go down to the States, buy a ton of KitKats, get to the border, hope that I can cross the border, and that they don't have any questions about the mountain of KitKats in my trunk.

[Linus Sebastian]

Apparently there are many products that are owned by Hershey's, but they are still licensed and produced by Nestle.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I see. So Nestle is probably profiting in some way. Nice, nice. Anyway, Nintendo is under fire once again after adding a clause to their end user license agreement that asks users to waive their right to join a class action lawsuit. Joy Con Driftgate, anyone? Users can still sue individually or they can waive the arbitration notice by sending a written letter to Nintendo of America's office. But Nintendo is instructing users to contact customer service instead, as most matters can be quickly resolved in this manner to our customer satisfaction. Which is fair enough. In which case you shouldn't need an arbitrary. Sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

You shouldn't need to have a thing that waves arbitration.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes, thank you. That's the words I was looking for. Appreciate you. I knew you were here. All the talking.

[Linus Sebastian]

Does that hold up in court, like ever? I know you can't answer this, but.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, I think if you give people the right to waive it, there's a solid chance. And I mean realistically. Realistically. Oh my God, I can't believe we're doing this again. Realistically, it's kind of like the whole warranty thing. It's not about whether Nintendo is allowed to do that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Apparently legal Eagle said no as well. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's about. It's about what are the obstacles and what are the.

[Linus Sebastian]

Will muddy the waters.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For sure it'll muddy the waters. It will make it take more time and it will make it more expensive.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So even if you could go out and get like an outstanding lawyer who could be like actually Nintendo. No, the barrier to entry is going to be higher to break through this. And that's what Nintendo is doing. That's what create.

[Linus Sebastian]

It almost feels like a reminder of who they are. Because we already know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

From personal experience that lawyers are scared of Nintendo. Remember?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We do know that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, we do know. This almost feels like a reminder or like a, you know, don't open the gate. There's a dog, you know. Yeah, you can see the dog. You can hear the dog. But there's also a sign. This feels like the sign.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's just, man, it's, it's frustrating. And I think, I think it's also one of those things where they're creating an environment.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nintendo is the gorilla. Yeah, we had to find the hundred men, which was the lawyers Anyway. Sorry, can 100 lawyers defeat Nintendo?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It also feels like they're trying to. To make the individual user feel like. I mean, even, even the simple fact of us talking about this is going to make Nintendo's users feel like, oh, it's pointless because they're doing this arbitration thing. I'm not gonna send no letter. Ain't nobody got time for that. So realistically, I've agreed to this. So, you know, whatever. And the stupidest part is what Nintendo said is completely true. They could satisfy people by just sending them a new stupid Joy Con. So then why do they need this clause? Just in case they decide they don't want to. And that's where I get back to the whole warranty thing. That's why every warranty has outs in it, because it's written for the protection of the company and has nothing to do with protecting the user. And it doesn't matter how good guy they are and how trust me, bro, they are. At the end of the day, it just comes down to their willingness in that moment with that current leadership team, because those change to fulfill to honor your request. So Nintendo knows that they could fix this problem by sending you a new flipping Joy Con, but they're putting this clause in to make sure that if they are ever in a position where they don't feel like it, they don't have to.

[Linus Sebastian]

The interpretation, or at least people will.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Think they don't have to read elsewhere.

[Linus Sebastian]

Was that this was like, is this. It's actually really about Joy Consistent. So I thought this was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, it's probably not.

[Linus Sebastian]

Modding switches.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think it's about Joy cons.

[Linus Sebastian]

Them. Them being able to brick your switch.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh no, that's a separate one. That's the other one. Separately, they have updated the account agreement to reserve the right to make your console permanently unusable, AKA brick it. If you lease, rent, sublicense, publish, copy, modify, adapt, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble all or any portion of the Nintendo account services. Bruh.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice. This was the topic I was reading.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's why I was reading you 1000% do not own the Nintendo console you buy anymore. Which would be fine. It would be more fine if we were still in the era of like carts that actually had all the game data on them and that actually worked completely without Nintendo's online services but is way worse in the era of carts that don't have game data on them and that Nintendo can just decide at some point or could stop existing at some point, however unlikely and they just like don't work anymore and it's like illegal or whatever to try to get it working.

[Linus Sebastian]

They can probably ban individual carts to do this is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is crazy. This is crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

What if they detected that a cart was being used too many times if they would ban it? I don't know if there's a uses.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I do, I do think this is one of those things that again they, they'd probably want to be too trustworthy a bro to just do this all the time. But it does definitely give them tools to go after the modding community. Especially you know, anyone who's trying to unlock homebrew gaming on their Switch 2 in a way that they potentially haven't before and especially anyone who tries to enable any kind of online functionality. I think that's the thing that this is mostly going after especially because they, they make it clear that this is part of the account agreement and they are specifically referring to Nintendo account services. Either way it is very clear that Nintendo is tightening the news when it comes to emulation console hacking. Look, as someone who buys my Nintendo games like this doesn't impact me financially.

[Linus Sebastian]

But as someone this will change the purchasing decision of extremely few people.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But as someone who really likes emulation for lots of other reasons and as someone who cares about archiving and preserving game history, I am not stoked. Is is what I'll kind of say about that. This is a great, great comment in chat from. Oh but yeah, Hatho says a million plus people playing Tears of the Kingdom before launch on Yuzu really set Nintendo down a harsh path. And I guess I can, I can, I can understand that to a degree. I mean it's not like Nintendo doesn't have evidence, like real hard evidence to point to that they have been impacted. And if you're gonna pull out that tired argument that there's no proof that piracy ever affected the income of those million people wouldn't have bought the game and stopped. Really you're gonna tell me out of a million people, none of them.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's. Yeah, it's not, it's not a one to one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can actually stop now.

[Linus Sebastian]

There was cases back in the day I think with like Napster and stuff. Oh yeah, 100 where they. The. The. The lawsuit was based on a one to one loss which is why people quote that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which is legitimate. Obviously stupid.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nintendo did not lose out on a million sales.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But it also wasn't zero.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I think it's somewhere in the middle but I think it shifts closer towards the zero side than the million side and significantly closer towards either way.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If it was 10% then it's still. If it was 5%, it was a big number.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And that's. That's the bottom line. Right. Large sum of dollarinos is that companies will only ignore this stuff until it hits their bottom line hard enough that the cost of dealing with it iron fisted is less than the cost of absorbing these activities. And that's where we're at.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think Nintendo's opinion on that is a little bit more on the rather deal with it iron fisted side.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah, 100%. Given their precedence, unique username goes actually with the correct spelling. A C K S C H U A L L Y. Pirates helped Nintendo sell more copies by word of mouth. That, that. That argument is also exhausting. It's like it very good. It literally makes me tired immediately. I know you're kidding. I know, I know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Keep it up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know you're kidding. But that it. When I see that, when I see that kind of stuff unironically I'm just.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like you gotta wear them down.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm so tired. Also, if you think that Nintendo cares at all about word of mouth marketing, may I present exhibit A. Every game streamer that they've ever stomped on. Who's like speedrunning their games or like doing something really cool like collecting all the korok seeds or whatever that Nintendo has. Dmca. Nintendo don't give a fuck at all about word of mouth marketing. I tell you what. All right. What else we got today, Dan?

[Dan Besser]

Oh, are you got lots of topics?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are you buried in merch messages or something?

[Dan Besser]

No, I've got like three.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, cool.

[Dan Besser]

Just dealing with some other stuff. If you've got lots of Topics you're like 15 minutes ahead. So you could move on to another one if you want.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. We do another topic like a real job or something.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah, I'm trying to do at the same time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, okay. Hey, did you fix my airtable issue?

[Dan Besser]

Did you submit a feedback request?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I emailed infra.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which one?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I just like when I get a notice email infra. That's all I know how to do.

[Linus Sebastian]

Emailed infra. Not only is that the wrong thing to do.

[Dan Besser]

I'll fix it right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's not even the right thing to do. If you're trying to contact infra about an issue which isn't what you were trying to do here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes it was. No, I was trying to contact them about it.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're trying to submit an airtable. When did you send every single airtable page? All of them have a button on it to submit feedback.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are you sure?

[Dan Besser]

Yeah, it might be some of them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How sure are you?

[Dan Besser]

Because when did you submit this feedback?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've done it twice now. Once was at some point and then the other time was today.

[Linus Sebastian]

Today?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Well, I don't know, man. I'm just. I got a thing. I got a thing. I got. I got a link in my email. It was like, oh, you got a. Somebody mentioned you on airtable. And I was like, oh, okay. And I clicked it and then it sent me to this page and I was like, what is this? What is. What is this page? I don't understand this page. Look, I click view comment. I want to view the comment and I don't know where this one's gonna go. Maybe it's gonna go to the. And I just go to here. I don't know what this is.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's not particularly helpful.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I just scroll infinitely and.

[Dan Besser]

Did you open a ticket about this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I scroll for. No, I emailed infra.

[Dan Besser]

I don't have access to that email.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, maybe you should.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did you just like again, that is just has, I think literally never been the right way.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Diet Demi me says I love the parts of wan that show the realities of medium sized company life.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did you just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no. We have an infras for lmg.

[Linus Sebastian]

I. I meant that one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.

[Dan Besser]

Can you send that to me?

[Linus Sebastian]

I'll have to dig it up because that's not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, it just sent me to. It sent me to the. Look, look, look. This is not user error. I clicked a thing and it sent me to a link. This random page that just has a bunch of random.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I understand that your error. Sure we can fix stuff, but it's just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, you made it sound like I should. I should automatically know that I should submit a ticket through here or something.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm like, there's no ticket on the desktop site.

[Dan Besser]

I know why that happened.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'll punch you. I'll punch your ticket. Let's go.

[Linus Sebastian]

On the desktop site there should be a button in the top right hand corner.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But also what year is it? Do you not have phones?

[Dan Besser]

I know why that happened.

[Linus Sebastian]

Desktop.

[Dan Besser]

I know why that happened. Luke. It's fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

My problem is he's like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

At least. At least when you look.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Luke, Luke, Luke.

[Linus Sebastian]

And that's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, Luke, I'm gonna let you finish. But I do not even know how to submit a ticket.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have no idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nobody even onboarded me to air table. That literally has not happened yet.

[Linus Sebastian]

And that's fine. But if you have a problem, you can don't just, like, send an email to a random.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's not random. It's infra.

[Linus Sebastian]

But there's official ways to send in tickets to infra. Which is not that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nobody ever told me that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, we did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, we did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Whenever I email infra, they just deal with my problem because it's you, not.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because you're doing it right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm just telling you. They don't tell me to do it differently.

[Dan Besser]

They just deal with my problem blindness in future. Just DM me and yell at me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But they tell me not to DM Dan.

[Dan Besser]

You.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You.

[Dan Besser]

You get special rules. Special.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, boy. I gotta scroll through the general chat for like a million years until I find the post where we tell everyone how to do this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, there's. I don't read that.

[Dan Besser]

Why would you read that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I only.

[Dan Besser]

Nobody reads anything, Luke.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, no.

[Dan Besser]

It happened today with the group chat. I don't want to talk to you about it right now, but we're gonna talk after the show.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you have any idea, like, how many channels I'm in?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think I know what you're talking about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If you don't tag me, I don't read it.

[Dan Besser]

If you email me, I don't read it. You got a DM me. So I go, oh, God, no.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If. Dude, if all I ever did was just. Or. Sorry. If I read everything that anyone ever sent me, every channel that I'm in, I would literally do nothing else all day. I can't. Why did you actually.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because normally you. You email me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. You have no idea how often I email infra.

[Linus Sebastian]

The last. The last airtable issue that you had, you CCB on it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah. It just felt unnecessary. Why do you need to read it? It's just a random. It seems like just a linking issue.

[Dan Besser]

It is. It is.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because you're not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But they'll solve it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. That is the marching orders. But it's still not proper because I can't. Like, I want to go home anyways.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You'll go home when you're done with air table.

[Dan Besser]

I can't do this anymore.

[Linus Sebastian]

He's never going home.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Then it feels like it. I clicked the wrong single sign and I love that.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, from, like, from your presentation. It's. It's never over.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Yeah, that's what Dan said. He literally got up in front of the entire company at an all hands and was like, when is air table done? Never. And everyone was like, oh, cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

That should be what people want.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Because it'll always get better. No, no, we understand. We understood what you meant. Dan. Dan. Oh, no. Oh, dad.

[Linus Sebastian]

See, you don't understand because you don't. All the communication about airtable. Jesus Christ.

[Dan Besser]

I can't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can't.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's just stomp on the single person more. That's a. That's a good idea.

[Dan Besser]

That's why I'm here. I'm. I'm not the boot goop.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey, how else are the boots going to get clean? I'll do whatever you want.

[Dan Besser]

Just be nice of you. Anything for a head pat.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God.

[Dan Besser]

Okay, what are we.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Were we supposed to do in the.

[Dan Besser]

Middle of the topic?

[Luke Lafreniere]

What was it?

[Dan Besser]

I don't remember. I don't think we were dealing with emails.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think we started a topic. Why don't we do. Why don't we do the thing. Let's do the. Let's do the thing with the merch messages.

[Dan Besser]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I need some merch messages. Oh, we have deals and new items on LTT store this weekend. What? What? No, I want to know. I want to know what it is. We're going loop cam until you explain.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're supposed to explain merch messages. You said let's do the merch messages thing in the. Oh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah. Well, okay. So Luke. Luke made a startling discovery that his co host has adhd. Congratulations.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's a reason why I didn't stop.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, merch messages. We don't do super chats. We don't do twitch bits. We do merch messages. All you got to do to interact with the show and send a little message over to producer Dan is head to lttstore.com, add something to your cart. You'll get a little box that'll pop up when we're live. You can leave a merch message and Dan will either reply to it or forward it to the correct person internally or he will curate it for me and Luke to answer on the show. So I'm supposed to now let Dan read one merch message? I. This is hilarious. You guys, check this out. In the doc. Okay, in the announcement section, there is this block of text. I have been told that this block of text has existed for well over a year.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it doesn't sound right to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I had never read it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Me neither.

[Dan Besser]

That sounds a little hyperbolic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dan. Did you. Did you tell it. Did you tell us this last week or two weeks ago?

[Dan Besser]

It's been there for many weeks.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are they considering last like I did.

[Dan Besser]

There for over a year?

[Linus Sebastian]

It was there in 2024.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, well, I don't know. I was told it has been there forever. I have never seen it. I have never noticed it because I have this thing where I just sort of filter out irrelevant information and it seemed irrelevant. When everything's bold, nothing is bold. The thing is, you know what I'm saying.

[Dan Besser]

We had talked about this a couple weeks ago and I think I clarified that it's actually for me. And I was not really expecting you guys to ever read instructions in the doc because that's not your job. Right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

So. So. So we've been given a hard time about doing all the merch messages in the wrong order and the announcements and whatever. And we're like, what order? And they're like, yo, it's right there. And I was like, oh, okay, so let's do one merch message. Go ahead. Dan, hit me.

[Dan Besser]

No, I was just wanting you to read the floatplane announcements because I'm. I'm with you guys. Okay, fine, fine, fine. Luke, stop.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What are you even doing, brother?

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm making it more effective. No, you said when everything's bold, nothing is bold. Yeah, well, look, so I'm making half of it there now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Now everything is bold and nothing is bold.

[Linus Sebastian]

My amazing work has been overwritten. It was so beautiful.

[Dan Besser]

I guess it was.

[Linus Sebastian]

There.

[Dan Besser]

I have some Zel. Go to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I hate working here.

[Dan Besser]

Hey, lld, any chance you can provide an update on the status of custom LTD cables? I'm planning on overhauling my setup and I want to wait so I can buy cables made by your team. Thanks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They are in certification. The samples I've seen are flipping awesome. They're not going to be cheap, but they are going to be flipping awesome. I think. I think the certification is being done like post production of the raw cable but pre cutting of the links and putting terminations on them. So I think a lot of the production is actually done with. That said, even though the company that we're working with is not in China, the production's in China because we started this project like two years ago or something. Like that. So for my American friends, the cables may be out of the reach for the price, but cool. For the rest of the world. We are, we are doing some serious work on getting our global shipping rates down. That is something that we're, we are working very hard on. I've been informed that I misspoke last week when I said that we have been subsidizing global shipping with US Shipping. What the situation actually was was we consolidate our shipments from Canada and send them to the US because it is cheaper to ship from the US So our shipping is more expensive now because we are shipping directly from Canada, not because anybody was subsidizing anyone. But what I said about the, about the, the more urban postal codes subsidizing the more rural postal codes, that's just.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think that's how literally everything works.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is true. And that is how literally everything. Yes. That's why your Internet plan in rural Missouri costs an affordable amount of money, theoretically, somewhat.

[Linus Sebastian]

But you probably get terrible service.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Affordable amount of money. Instead of just not existing at all, you still probably have terrible service. Just how it works. So, yeah, I just wanted to. I wanted to clarify that. Anyway, we're working on our shipping rates worldwide and so hopefully we'll be moving a lot of cables that are super high quality, but I don't know how many of them are going to go to the States unless we can. Maybe we can figure out some way to highly transformatively do something to them here in Canada. Whether. I don't know. I don't know. But right now it looks like that's going to be a made in China product and it could be a real challenge. With that said, I think that the. I think the tariff situation is highly, highly fluid. And I don't know with sort of how things are going. I mean, people are already starting to talk about the midterm elections. Right. So with how things are going and how public sentiment is on the tariffs even now, before the real impact has really been felt, I think there's a solid chance that they will be reduced. But I need to.

[Linus Sebastian]

There you go. Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, There you go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Who's even going to run?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know. Well, no, no, no. Midterm elections are for Senate in the House, and it tends to be that, you know, whatever the President's popularity is, tends to impact.

[Linus Sebastian]

That makes sense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The other races.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So now that we've read a merch message, do we want to explain them?

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is hilarious. Kumo Star says it's actually cheaper to run your Own Fiber in Bum, Missouri. Yeah, that's. That is.

[Linus Sebastian]

So that's why I said you get bad service.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, did I not explain the monthly?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I don't think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I explained merch messages. They go in the cart and they put the merch message and then Dan does the thing. I totally did it. You tuned out.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

See, that's the thing. He doesn't talk, but he doesn't listen either. He's. He really is like Silent Bob. Like he was that one time. I love that you actually have done what you said you were going to do and you just only wear these shirts now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So we need to get some graphic tees in the lungs.

[Linus Sebastian]

That would be wonderful.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was packing for my trip and I was like, oops, all black shirts, dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I touched a sample from South America for our T shirts. That was quite good. Oh, yeah. We're still months away from being able to transition. I have no idea if it holds. If the. If the dyeing holds up over time. I have no idea if our prints are gonna hold up over time. There's a ton of validation for us to do before we just like roll a new T shirt product or whatever. But if. If they are as good as they seem on the surface, then that. That could be a good source. Dude. Nice.

[Dan Besser]

Sorry.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right. Just don't do it. Fine.

[Dan Besser]

Don't do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Doesn't even matter. What matter. No, no.

[Dan Besser]

There's a person.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Doesn't even matter anyway. If they're anywhere near as good as they seem, then that'll be. That'll be super cool. Maybe in the future at some point. Can I help you? Okay. Okay. So we had a bit of a mix up.

[Dan Besser]

I don't know what's going on anymore.

[Luke Lafreniere]

On a WAN show a little while ago, so remember how I was all like, yeah, the cargo pants. The cargo pants are back in stock. And I was all on the store. And I was like, and we have a new inseam length. And I was like, where the fuck is the new inseam length? I guess we don't have it.

[Linus Sebastian]

You just leak and stuff again, bro.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They just, like, weren't on the store for some reason. We got. We've had a lot going on.

[Linus Sebastian]

There has been a lot going on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So we have had a lot of work. We have two inseam lengths of our legendary cargo pants now. Lttstore.com youm can get them there and you can send a merch message there. Is that what I was supposed to say? Dan already. I have no idea if I did a good job. They're the same cargo pants you love. Just with a 32 inch inseam for non liner sized people like Luke.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So what am I looking at? This is the 34R30. This is my size. And then what is this? You don't care anyway, do you? Just brought two pairs of cargo pants. It's longer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is it on the tag?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, this one only says 34. It doesn't say the inseam length.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, that's a. That's production.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, this is a pre production sample. Okay. Okay. This is the longer one. Okay, cool. We also added a new colorway for big nerd gaming T shirt now. Oh. What? Oh, it comes. Oh, that's even better.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, dude, that's really good. That color is fantastic. Actually.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's actually awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dang.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Or. Or. Or you can get in black.

[Linus Sebastian]

Black is cool. You could before sky feels like the way to go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Super cool. Okay. All right. Is there anything. Is there anything else that I'm supposed to say in the announcement section? Am I. Am I supposed to be doing announcements right now? Oh, okay. Oh, what? Oh, first the deals. Oh, we have deals? What order am I supposed to be doing this in? That's still. I can't even read the thing.

[Dan Besser]

That's still a greater warehouse.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can't read it.

[Dan Besser]

Okay, fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What the heck?

[Dan Besser]

I'll fix it. I'll fix it. Jeez.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. I swear to God, Dave.

[Dan Besser]

Okay, all right. It's fine. It's gone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, first the deals script. I seriously, I can't read it. Dan, are you. Can you remove it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Actually, it's not even on mine.

[Dan Besser]

It's gone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, it's gone now. Okay, first the deals screw tariffs. We are offering pre tariff pricing on the US Store for the commuter backpack and the precision screwdriver bundle. Or just the driver or bit set. Just add any of these items to your cart and the discount will automatically apply on our US Store. Okay, nobody talked to me about this. I believe our old price was below our current cost on the precision screwdriver bundle. Is there something I don't know, Arty? Feel free to tell me that there's something I don't know and we will just continue going here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, they get to save a lot of money.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, I know that. Is there something I don't know?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think you know everything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really?

[Dan Besser]

Wow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Also, on both the US and global store, we've got a killer deal. We have mystery screwdrivers for just $49.99cents shipped without a box. So if you're shopping on the global site, this will actually be cheaper than what we offered during the shipstorm sale event because now it's in Canadian dollars. Shut up. It is not. Hey, hold on a second, okay? Nobody talks to me about these things. Are you okay? Which one is this? Global. Okay, Global dot. Okay. Am I. Am I on the global site right now? How do I tell? No, I'm in usa. Okay, so hold on. Global says in the euro. Is this 50 Canadian dollars? Have you people gone mental? Okay, well, as long as you don't care what color screwdriver you get, I guess now's a good time to buy them for all your family and friends for Christmas because. Oh, my God. Both of these deals are until Sunday, May 11th at midnight Pacific time, so. Okay. Okay, cool. Dan.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, the mystery screwdrivers are noctua.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Either beige or brown.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are they?

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, it says possible colorways. Knock to a beige noctua brown.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Okay. If you buy one of those things, please get something else as well. Anything else. Maybe a pair of cargo pants. Is there something. I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think I know as much as you do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a pretty fair answer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, Dan, do you want to hit us with a couple more merch messages? Is that what we're supposed to do?

[Dan Besser]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. All right. Thanks, Artie. Have a wonderful weekend.

[Linus Sebastian]

Have a good one.

[Dan Besser]

I don't know what's going on anymore.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think we do either.

[Dan Besser]

Hello? Minus Mook and Man, how do you guys always have so much energy every week? What do you do to stay excited even when you aren't feeling it that day?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Drugs.

[Dan Besser]

My answer is also drugs, Luke.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not that I heard tech CEOs like, ketamine.

[Dan Besser]

Not me. No, I wouldn't know. No, it's not good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know, man. I think it's a combination of things. I've always been a little bit excitable. And then you combine that with this being my job for the last, I don't know, 17 years or whatever it is, and I just. I. You know, I get kind of. I get kind of amped up on camera. Also. Luke and I have talked about this extensively on the show. Other than on the show, we don't talk extensively. So this is like. This is actually the time in the week when I get to catch up with Luke. So I'm, like, genuinely happy to, you know, talk at him. And he nods sometimes. Sometimes he laughs even. That's fun. That's Enjoyable. Sometimes loud even. It's great. It's a good show.

[Linus Sebastian]

You should.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You should watch it. Sorry, Was that a merch message?

[Dan Besser]

Good job.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Quality merch message.

[Dan Besser]

And now the float plane announcement.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. Float plane announcement. Luke, Dan, I'm about to spike your stress level. Are you guys ready?

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm over it. I don't care anymore.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Open the secret shopper.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cms, torpedo, everything. It's. It's your call.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's go, boys. Secret shopper coming early to float plane. Two support technicians gave up on us, and I'm gonna. I'm gonna throw you guys for an even bigger loop on this one. One of them. We totally deserved it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, how does that end up in the judging?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We want.

[Linus Sebastian]

You guys handle it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Plouffe and I realize when we're shooting that we flubbed it in the call, and so we account for that in our evaluation.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, no, no, don't worry. Don't worry. Everyone gets a fair shake.

[Linus Sebastian]

Make sure it's fair.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, everyone gets a fair shake or they get at least an adjusted evaluation of their shake. You know, it's a good shake. You know, like that sort of thing. So anyway, that's live right now. You can be one of the first to watch episode three, where Plouffe and I watch how brands do their tech support support calls. We unseated everyone's GPUs except Dell, who actually got a different tech support challenge. And the reason is that their bracket for holding their GPUs in during shipping is so good that we could not unseat the gpu.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, that's kind of cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which is almost a win by default, which is great because that's the only kind of win that Dell, who, by the way, did I mention is the laptop partner for the WAN show. That's the. Yeah, sorry. That's the only kind of win that Dell can really hope for in. In Secret Shopper. It feels like these days. You know what, though? You know what, though? I. I believe in them. I believe that next season. Next season is going to be their season. Anyway. It's going to be going live to the general public on May 13. While you're over on Floatplane, you can check out Colton's vlog of J's two senses, SoCal Tech Fair. He didn't want to vlog, but he was given, I'm told, a very big nudge to do so. And we're watching the first 22 seconds together. Let's go. Colton Potter shared a folder with. You got it. So cringe. I hate vlogging. Please help. Okay, well then Colton needs to get better at vlogging. Oh, is this. Oh, okay. This is User error. Nice. Sure. Good website. All right, we're gonna try this again. Let's take two. I just want to be a little bit more enthusiastic. I just hate bothering people. Sammy, why are you making me do this? I hate talking in front of people. Hey, everybody. Is he on a green screen? Why does this look so weird?

[Linus Sebastian]

Those are kind of weird. Yvr.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm heading to the. Damn it. People are looking at me.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's so awkward. So awkward.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude, I think I'm gonna get arrested.

[Dan Besser]

Watch.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You're gonna detain me.

[Linus Sebastian]

Look at this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey, flow plane. This is Colton.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm at Yvon.

[Dan Besser]

Oh, poor man. Oh man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For the ride. Let's get on the plane. He's talking so quiet because he doesn't want people to hear him filming. Dude, Colton, I love you, but you're awkward. Dude. You're so awkward. I love it. You're great. He also got a last minute invitation From Funnily enough IBuyPower to check out the factory and see what goes. Their factory. Oh, cool. No, I'm not going to look at that right now. They can go on floatplane. Okay. All exclusives are available also on YouTube members. But if you want those on top of early access and other sweet benefits, check out LMG GG floatplane. All right, Dan, what are we doing?

[Linus Sebastian]

Topic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, you want to pick one? I feel like I picked them all so far.

[Linus Sebastian]

Company towns are back on the menu. And I'm saying again because I think last time we were talking about Amazon or something and now it's SpaceX because of course it is. They both have to compete with each other on everything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But this company town is on Mars. No, no. Okay, sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

Texas.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Carry on. Ah, yes. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just about as well.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's kind of another planet in some ways. Yeah, because of the size.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cameron county in Texas had a vote to incorporate a new town for SpaceX employees. The vote was overwhelmingly approved with 283 votes for and only 6 against. The city is about 1.5 square miles and has just under 500 people who live there. 300 adults and 120 children. Bobby Pedan, Vice President at SpaceX was elected mayor. He ran unopposed. Several bills are also working its way through Texas State, which will give the city the ability to close highways and beaches during rocket launches or other company activity. Wow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

From both a company and employee perspective. Can you list pros and cons? Of a company town. If you knew all employees were on board, would you think it's worth the effort to establish an LMG town?

[Luke Lafreniere]

How does this keep being a conversation? If I knew everyone was on board, would I think it's worth the effort? No, I would not think it's. We don't operate at that kind of scale.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is line of speech for.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes, that is not.

[Linus Sebastian]

He was fully convinced that every single person was on board and that he could buy more real estate in bc.

[Dan Besser]

Would we have our own brand of cheese?

[Linus Sebastian]

Linus cheese. It would melt the best on burgers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Who is responsible for that? Getting posted publicly. That was for internal consumption only.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wait, what was?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You don't know about this?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so you remember in the WAN show teams group chat which he doesn't read. Which.

[Linus Sebastian]

What do you mean?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, that's right. Luke doesn't read it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, I saw the picture of your cheese.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, okay, so yes, I do read it in the WAN show.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just don't read it necessarily when you post like right before wancho and change the whole plan.

[Luke Lafreniere]

On the weekend I posted, I posted a picture of my grill with a bunch of patties on it that I had just put cheese slices on. And then I was like melt cheese on a burger challenge begun or something like that because of the conversation we had on WAN show recently where I evidently do not understand how cheese melts and I'm not capable of melting cheese on a burger. Then I posted shortly afterward, all the cheese melted deliciously on top of the patties.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did you prove that he's the best at melting cheese on burgers?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I did. Oh my God. Oh. I swear, your contribution and your contribution is a huge part of why I was not able to get my point across in that whole thing. So I posted a bunch of patties with non American cheese melted on them. Just normal Kirkland cheddar. And then I posted like a. You're a wizard, Harry Gifford. Okay, it was intended for internal consumption. It was a joke. And then Sammy got a hold of it somehow and he's in that chat. Oh yeah. Why is he in that chat?

[Linus Sebastian]

The WAN chat?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Why would he be in the WAN chat?

[Linus Sebastian]

He tracks when it's gonna go live. It's like a notable part of his job. Also, like, as far as I can tell, like a third of the company is in that chat at this point.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Point anyway.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah, there's so many people that need to be informed about when the time that WAN is starting. It's less critical now than it Used to be. But anyway, I'm just gonna call you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So now it's front page on the LTT subreddit. I was not trying to poke this bear. It wasn't me. It wasn't you. I don't believe you. I requested. Can I post this?

[Linus Sebastian]

You respond.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But someone else posted it. I don't. I'm not though.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wait, look who it's posted by.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's from the chat. That's not me. That's from the chat.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, look. No, no, no, no, no. The Reddit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wait, Chewy posted this? Yeah, he. Right now. I'm sorry, Chewy. Why?

[Linus Sebastian]

Why?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I hate it here. I'm sorry that. I'm sorry that Sammy's bad influence. I'm sorry Sammy's bad influence turns you into such a bad egg.

[Dan Besser]

Because I thought that Sammy had posted it and it got picked up on the subreddit. I didn't know. Chewie just like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh my God. Okay. All right, Chewie, whatever your name is. Sammy, you're off the hook.

[Linus Sebastian]

Whatever your name is.

[Dan Besser]

This is just the episode where all the employees lose their minds.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did he actually leave?

[Dan Besser]

Yeah, he screamed and then slammed the door.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, it is 6:30.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, that makes sense. Oh my God. A Chewy? Really? You were the. You were supposed to be the chosen one. Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyway, I think it was good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The burgers were delicious and not. American cheese definitely melts on a burger patty, which is all I ever said. Seriously, dude, have you seen some of the comments on this?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

I find it so hard to care about your comments on cheese. And I don't even mean because, like, I don't care what you have to say. It's just like, man, it's the same argument made the other day of, like, when people were uproared about the placebo thing. It's like, why are you. Why are you here? Why are you here? For that. Why are you here for medical stuff. Why are you here for cheese? Opinions. Like, really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

You need other things to do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude. It's been. It's been wild the way people care about it. Anyway, so if you like American cheese. Tell you what. Eat American cheese.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

Congrats. Enjoy it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. What were we talking about? Company towns. Oh, Lord, no. I know. It would not be worth the effort to establish an LMG town. Like. Like A, we're not at nearly the scale where it would make any sense for the number of people that would need to live in it, and B, like, our operations do not in any way require a Company town, which could only have downsides compared to just living in an urban center that has, like, amenities and stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

But what if you could shut down all of the streets to roll around in your fire truck, your customized fire truck with the lights uncovered because you just make the laws. No, no, there are upsides.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm sure there are upsides. And it's not like when a ghost town goes up for sale. I don't see that in my newsfeed. And go. But it.

[Linus Sebastian]

If the company was big enough and if every single person was on board.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Every single person wouldn't be on board. People have lives. They have families. They need to go to school.

[Linus Sebastian]

And what if the schools were, were better? And what if they would be more affordable?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why would it be more.

[Linus Sebastian]

Of course it would be.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why?

[Linus Sebastian]

Because trust me, bro.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. My God. So, yeah, I guess if you're asking what the downsides are of a company town, that's exactly it is the deal is better only until the company that owns the town decides it, like, shouldn't be better. And like, man, is that ever a lot of eggs to have in one basket. Like, I remember probably the wisest thing that the owner of NCIX ever said to me was on the day that I quit, and he, like, kind of tried to negotiate and keep me on board, and I went, no, I've decided to move on. And he kind of went, okay. And I kind of went, oh, well, that, like, you know, your demeanor, your, your, your, your tact here changed really suddenly. He goes, well, look, I mean, nobody works at one company forever. So, like, let's figure now that we're, we're at that point now, let's figure it out. And I was like, steps. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, that, that is experience. That's wisdom right there. And that is why it wouldn't have been good for me to live in the NCIX town. Because now.

[Linus Sebastian]

But maybe your life would have been.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So much better instead of just my livelihood, like, instead of just my paycheck. No longer being at the company now all of a sudden impacts where I live. It impacts where my children live potentially, dude. I mean, and I guess technically you could live in that company town if you don't work there, maybe. I mean, the children clearly don't work there. I mean, I don't know with what they're trying to do with labor law.

[Dan Besser]

Then they're not allowed to leave.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, you know, if you don't work.

[Linus Sebastian]

There, that's a good way to make sure that the funding for the, the Necessities of life.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Stay in the town.

[Dan Besser]

And the specifically regimented education system doesn't get, like, you can have a modulated.

[Linus Sebastian]

Airport where they fly up in the air and then, like, go around and they, like, look at Vancouver or look at some other destination, then just come back.

[Dan Besser]

This is where all the heathens live.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. You just look at them from up above.

[Dan Besser]

You spit on them from the float plane. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Why are you looking?

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is hilarious. This is apparently Gordon Ramsay struggling to melt cheese and someone saying it's okay to admit defeat about the cheese.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you're better than Gordon Ramsay now?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, all I said was. All I said was. The only thing I ever said was that melting cheese on a burger ain't that hard. That's all I said. That's all I said. And I got receipts now, so whatever. Okay. Yeah. Company town topic gone. Okay. You want to pick another one or. What are we supposed to be doing? What even is this show?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, give me a second.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The Tino scent guy says this has been a topic for, like, three shows.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, because people leave it alone. I. Man, the stuff people care about I will never understand.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I blame Chewie.

[Linus Sebastian]

Speaking of things to care about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I blame Sam for being a bad influence on him.

[Linus Sebastian]

Been delayed.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah. GTA 6. You watch a trailer? Of course you watch the trailer. What do you think of the trailer?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What? You gotta be kidding. Even I watch the trailer. I mean, I read the comments, but.

[Linus Sebastian]

For me, I actually watched it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I watched the.

[Linus Sebastian]

Check.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I watched the trailer. I watched the trailer.

[Linus Sebastian]

The thing for me is, is that 95 million views.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, dude, dude, dude. This thing is popping off.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't. I don't know if there's ever been more hype for a game ever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What is GTA 6 like to mainstream for you? You're too cool for it. Is that. Is that what we're witnessing? No, because I feel like that's what we're witnessing.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm excited to play it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why are you not one of those 96 million people?

[Linus Sebastian]

Because it's probably gonna be, like, two or three years before it's on PC and I'm not getting a console. Just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was gonna say bot, but what you really did was borrow it from work. You got a PlayStation 4 Pro once to play a specific game?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so you wouldn't do that for gta?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really? Why not? Gta. What was the other game? I forget.

[Linus Sebastian]

Horizon.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, and okay, zero. Done.

[Linus Sebastian]

Horizon. Yes. Zero. Dawn. At the time Horizon was not coming to PC.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Where's GTA 6? Will.

[Linus Sebastian]

Will be coming to PC.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just a question of when.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I'll just wait. I did the same thing with GTA 5. Just waited. So this trailer is not for me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I see.

[Linus Sebastian]

And that's okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I see. Okay. I mean, but you can't just enjoy the jiggle physics same as everybody else.

[Linus Sebastian]

I heard they're a thing, but no.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Don't forget the actually, like.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I haven't actually looked at the trailer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's even just as, like, a tech demo.

[Linus Sebastian]

I've learned it's pretty stunning for what's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Possible rendered real time on what is like, functionally, like a 6000 series Radeon Card or whatever. Damn.

[Linus Sebastian]

I've heard that's pretty cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I heard that, like, today, though, like, 5000 series. It's like a 5700 XT or something like that. I think, like, huh. Damn. It looks real good, bro. Yeah, it looks real good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I'll very likely watch it just for that. Because people mentioned, like, I. Okay, a new trailer came out. Whatever. I'm not gonna play this game for two, three years. What do I care? But then people are commenting specifically. The bubbles is the main comment that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I saw in the beer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Beer physics. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which is pretty wild.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So, like, that's cool. I'll watch it from like, a. Interested in tech perspective.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, it is one of those things where I feel like we see this time and time again where the trailer prominently features the main character or characters. And when you're, like, walking around in the world, everything else still looks like a video game. But with that said, like, there's. I saw this thread from. From a graphics artist who was our video game artist that was basically just like, here's a bunch of stuff that, like, people might not have, like, realized is. Is so cool about this. And it's just. I don't have the link on me right now, but if you just like, kind of Google that, maybe I'll look.

[Linus Sebastian]

At that or something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude, there's so many little details. Like they have like, raccoons rummaging in trash bins just like, to make the world feel alive. It's. I didn't think it would be possible for me to look at the trailer and be like, yeah, that's why they spent 10 years on this. But I looked at the trailer and I went, oh, perfect.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's why this was gonna exist. I will watch. I will watch this. This is what I will watch. I will not watch the trailer. I will watch this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, I mean, you know what? Fair enough. I'd say, I'd say game trailers are a perfect example of a time when react content is 100% ethical. Yeah, 100%. Because basically, and the funny thing is, we've actually been copyright struck on WAN show for showing game trailers and like reacting to them live, which, which I always thought was wild marketing materials. I think if we went to court on that one, we're probably going to get off scot free because it's pretty clear what the impact is on the original content and it's pretty clear what the intended purpose of what we're doing and how transformative it is and whatever, whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

Splitscream in Full Plane Chat said that Liquid Bubble in Liquid Tech is from Alex. The dev made it public. That's cool. Neat. Neato.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Very cool. Anyway, so. Yeah, yeah, sure, fine, fine. Watch the, just watch the digital foundries thing. Just, just watch it because it's super cool and it really does look like kind of amazing, even with crappy YouTube compression. All right, what else we got? Oh, you want sponsors? We could do that. Should we do one more, One more topic first? Yeah, we got lost, man.

[Linus Sebastian]

IOS dev responds to Linus's macOS gripes oh, a very blurry iOS developer has responded to My Mac OS is great. Unless you try to use it as a desktop operating System segment on February 28th edition of Wan Show.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, that is very blurry. Is that a shot at our.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's anonymous video? No, no, it's Anonymous Reviews is the channel name. Okay, yeah, no, that's intentional.

[Linus Sebastian]

The YouTuber Anonymous Reviews has been an iOS developer for about 15 years. Says they're not a fanboy and uses Windows for gaming and editing. The video gets off to a bit of a rocky start, excusing the poor multi monitor behavior by saying it's better than it used to be. And we get a detour later on teasing that I, that I don't know about the control key.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, you know what? I think that's a criticism that you're gonna see from any power user on any platform of anyone coming in going, I can't do X, you know, Right?

[Linus Sebastian]

And it's like, well, I can open up LinkedIn if I put in an.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Incantation, I can cut if I combine that X with my control or command or whatever, right? And hotkeys really are the answer to something being not crappy. Like truly though, not just like in a, in a gatekeeper. Get good scrub. Kind of like Awful sort of way, but they really can be the answer in a lot of ways. Anyway, sorry, carry on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Otherwise we get some interesting explanations of how and why Apple does things. Too long. Didn't write. Watch, watch. Some things are inconsistent and that's bad. Apple should take me up on my offer to. To consult for a week for free. Apple and the community should be more open about outside input if they want to improve the OS and ecosystem. Discussion questions. Did things get better for you as you used macOS? Also, a note that part two of our switching to Apple in 2025 should be out next month.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, things did get better. Absolutely. I'd say the first.

[Linus Sebastian]

I hope so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, the first hour, my in infuriated level was here. By the third day it was here. And then by like, you know, the end of the month, you know, it was like kind of down here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did you have much of this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, did I. Oh, like, did I kind of come up against challenges that sort of raised the theory for. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I remembered a couple things like. Like, not first day where you were like, genuinely yelling in your office about it, but I think you were also filming clips, so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but like, the thing is, and. And I feel like. I don't know, man, I. I've been doing this so long that I've kind of had a take on anything that will annoy someone about something.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I think that's. I think it's really challenging because I. I think I end up kind of getting misunderstood a lot because when I criticize macOS, I am not saying that if you like hot dogs, you're basically a big idiot.

[Linus Sebastian]

If a million people hear you say anything, it's gonna be misunderstood by some amount of them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm just saying that this is something that hamburgers do better. That's what I'm saying. And I'm not saying the other thing. I'm only saying the thing that I'm saying. And so I feel like. And it's really interesting and you can see these kind of. These silos of viewership that exist where the people who watch only our iOS stuff or only our, you know, Apple stuff will have a certain perception of me. And the people who watch only our Linux stuff will have a certain perception of me. And people who watch only our Windows stuff will have a certain perception of me. Like these flyby viewers that only watch occasional content when it kind of piques their interest.

[Linus Sebastian]

Huge percentage of them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right. So. So. So anyone who's listening to me kind of rant about macOS because they only tune in whenever I'm going to talk about macOS is going to have this perception that I like hate Mac os. But the reality of it is I have entire videos griping about how things are in Windows. And like there's a lot of gripes. An unintuitive design or inconsistent design is the word that I'm using synonymously with unintuitive here. Because something that is inconsistent is, is inherently unintuitive. Inconsistent design is something that exists across all of these platforms and that we as users should demand be reduced. And so where I get, where I think I end up getting sort of adversarial with the community sometimes is when people take the position that it's perfect the way it is and anyone who doesn't agree is just a hater. And so that's where, and I tend to find those people in the Apple and Linux communities more than I do in Windows. Because the Windows community is almost in a way more like humble, if that makes sense. We all know Windows self hatred going on, we all kind of hate it, but we accept it because all the applications we want, all the games we want to play, they just run it. So whatever it is what it is. And there's pockets of the Apple community in particular that are like that. They just accept it because it's like, well, well I need final cut. I kind of acknowledge that this is a very imperfect system for it, but I need final cut. So I guess it just is the way it is.

[Linus Sebastian]

If you had no idea what an operating system even was and you had generalized sentiment from each community, I think you would think that Windows was the least popular operating system.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I think you could easily come away with that conclusion.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think you would think like Apple is for everyone, Linux stuff is for nerds and techies and nobody uses Windows.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, no, I don't even, I don't even think that's like, I don't even think that's like a crazy take. I, yeah, I think that's probably what you'd come away with. But the reality of it is that Windows has the lion's share of the market. So I don't know man, I forget where I was even going with this. Right? So yeah, yeah, my anger level absolutely went down over time. But there were definitely things that are just wrong that are just incorrect in Apple's implementation and that should be fixed. And I think that as users we should demand better. And the whole, the whole pushback that I get sometimes that's just like, well you Just criticize everything. Why don't you just enjoy it? Is like. Well, like. But. But it could be better. Like, if it wasn't like this, it would be better. That would be good. Is that not something we should strive for? So then why even listen to me at all? That's like, my whole job is like, here's something that's good about it.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's fair.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Here's something that's not good about it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because, like, across the course of a video. I'm sure you praised Mac OS in.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That video at some point on the WAN show. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did. Because that. That's, I think, what we're talking about.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, not the video.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. WAN show. It was the segment of. On the February 28th WAN Show.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, sure. But, like, part one of switching to Apple in 2025 came out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but he wasn't really responding to that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it was the WAN show segment.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know how much we were still on the original topic, to be clear.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, but either way, I don't think.

[Linus Sebastian]

It'S fair to just say that you complain about everything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, no, I. Of course not. But that's the thing is when people have an emotional connection to it, that's what they hear.

[Linus Sebastian]

Slap a label on it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that's what they hear.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And. And so it's just like. It's one of those things where I feel like this is part of why as. As a media personality, it's really hard to survive over a very extended period of time. If you have anything more nuanced than a yes, this, no, that take. Because it's really hard for people to be aligned with. Everything is shades of gray when they get. When. When these. When these issues are so emotional for people. And I under. I've. I've kind of come around over the years to why these issues are so emotional to people. And it's because we invest in them. We are literally invested in them. We put. We put our money down and we go, I am Team Pixel. You know, we put our money in.

[Linus Sebastian]

That was like, mean.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And our money. I've got a dbrand case on it doesn't matter.

[Linus Sebastian]

Poor phone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, whatever. It doesn't feel anything. And to be clear, I am not Team Pixel. I actually had a really funny interaction.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Why are you using a Pixel?

[Luke Lafreniere]

What's going on, David, today? Well, because I was using that nothing phone, the 3A Pro, and I was just having like, a bunch of just weird, annoying bugs with it, like, when I'd get out of my car, it would. It would keep playing on my. Like my music from my car would, like play on my phone for a little bit and then it would like, nod. And then so I was just like, ah, man. And there's a. There was something else. Oh, yeah, it was really hard to get in and out of my pocket, which was kind of annoying because I had like giant camera bump on it. There were. There were a handful of things. And so I was like, okay, screw it, you know, it's a couple hundred dollars more. I'm getting the Pixel 9a I love. I went the complete opposite direction. It has, like almost no camera bump, which is really rare these days. And dude, I've had so many annoying issues with this thing. And I was. I was actually standing talking to David in, in the writing room today just about something unrelated. I got on the topic somehow of how like, everyone's like, yeah, just, you haven't experienced Android until you've experienced the Pixel. Just get a Pixel, you'll love it. And I was like, I've had a really hard time with the Pixel. I pulled it out of my pocket and one of the issues that I've had with it, which is that the ambient light sensor just sucks on this thing happened. I was like, look how dim this is. And then I was trying to pull down. You know how you have to pull down your shade like a second time to get your brightness and stuff? Because they did away with swipe and. Or just bring it all the way down. It brings down the whole thing like it freaking used to, which was way better. Anyway, so I went, I tried to swipe it down the second time. I tried like six times and it wouldn't do it. And no, no, my screen. Oh, dude, that drives me crazy. Anytime I'm on speakerphone with this thing, I try to interact with the phone. It's like, bet. No, I try denied. I'm a multitasker, right? So I'll go to pull down my notification shade while I'm on a call.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's such a pixel problem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it'll be like, oh, do you want the screen to turn up? No, I don't. I just want to interact with my phone. So I have to like. I have to like, ninja in there from an angle where it can't see me come in. Oh, I literally cannot. I cannot access my Plex server from this phone. I don't know if that's because of Plex's dog new app, which is also super slow on my iOS. So I literally use my iPhone that I was using for the challenge. I am still using it every day for my earphones when I go to sleep because I can't access my Plex server from this phone for whatever reason.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's weird.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Again, that could be Plex, man. What are the other issues I'm having with.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm expecting that's Plex, but I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's probably Plex. Oh, dude. My keyboard constantly doesn't come up. Like, constantly doesn't come up. And I use SwiftKey, so my voice input button will just, like, randomly not work, especially in certain apps. Like, I can almost never use voice to type with you in Discord. Oh, it's working right now. Look at that. Okay, well, whatever. It often doesn't work. Like, I'll go voice to type, and then it'll just be blank down here. Um, that could be a Swift key issue. That could be an Android issue. Either way, it's not an issue that I had with my Samsung phone before, and it's not an issue that I had on that nothing phone that I was using slightly before this. So I. And I. It still drives me absolutely crazy that I can't swap the navigation buttons. I have reached out to the Pixel team, and I don't. I don't want to. I don't want to update you guys until I have a final, final answer, but what I will say is I'm extremely unsatisfied with their response so far.

[Dan Besser]

I've got jump in here. I've got an update from Artie.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan Besser]

He spoke to the mythical powers behind pricing, and.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Excellent. I am actually very interested to hear this.

[Dan Besser]

Maybe I'll give you the real technical explanation. It appears the Glory Mobile pricing on the mystery screwdriver was incorrectly priced at 49.99. The conversion was not applied correctly, and this has unfortunately been fixed. So if you got one for 50 bucks, good on you. Otherwise, it's now $69.99.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, that makes more sense. Sorry.

[Dan Besser]

So I think Linus is happy if.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You guys were ever wondering.

[Dan Besser]

Oh, no.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What it looks like when I am legitimately perturbed about a price on the site versus when I'm, you know, we're doing an aggressive sale. Being an actor, and I am. I am a little bit stressed out, but I'm hamming it up a little bit. That was the difference.

[Dan Besser]

Serious Linus is a very terrifying person.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, come on.

[Dan Besser]

But it's also extremely useful.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can't use. You don't terrifying like that and then not explain. Okay, okay.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah, that's fine. Sometimes it's very difficult to.

[Linus Sebastian]

He will explain now that he is terrified.

[Dan Besser]

I'm sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan Besser]

You know, he riffs. He riffs. He gets angry, he gets mean, and it's not real. And then, you know, hey, I need you to do this thing and I'm being extremely direct.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What?

[Dan Besser]

Please do the. Please do the thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do I get mean? Do I what?

[Dan Besser]

Oh, no, no, no. It's not mean.

[Luke Lafreniere]

When have I ever done that?

[Dan Besser]

It's just.

[Linus Sebastian]

Direct. What's going on?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, okay. No, no, no. I want. I wanna. Okay, okay, now, now, hold on a second. I think I know what we're talking about. Are we talking about the time that I explicitly said not to do a thing?

[Dan Besser]

No, no, no. That's very different.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Dan Besser]

No, this isn't necessarily anything that you've done to me. This is like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Whoa.

[Dan Besser]

Well documented.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It is.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Like what?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, I would like to know.

[Dan Besser]

Oh, maybe. Maybe you haven't seen the videos because it's like a behind the teams thing. Oh, is this the.

[Linus Sebastian]

What do you think about your boss stuff?

[Dan Besser]

Might be, but I've seen it.

[Linus Sebastian]

He's never gonna watch those.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I said I wouldn't.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah, I don't know. It's stuff like that. It's completely fine. But, yeah. Not mean.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Who've I. Well, you said mean. Oh, no, no, no.

[Linus Sebastian]

Mean.

[Dan Besser]

It. Mean is the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The.

[Dan Besser]

The playful version.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, that was super unclear.

[Dan Besser]

Oh, I'm so sorry. No, Linus is never, ever mean. Like, ever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Now they're not gonna believe you.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's too far.

[Dan Besser]

I think you just misheard mean.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I really don't think I did chat. Can. Can you help me out here? Chat? Because. Oh, no. Oh, boy. They say they understood it for the most part. Okay, so are they just covering for you?

[Dan Besser]

I don't think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. I hope that. Okay. Dan started by saying Linus is mean when he's playing it up as a joke. Okay. Yeah, I thought you meant it's mean when I, like, act like things are a joke.

[Linus Sebastian]

I did, too.

[Dan Besser]

I also.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, see, the vast majority of chat.

[Dan Besser]

I've been defending you.

[Linus Sebastian]

So it.

[Dan Besser]

The whole time. The whole time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Jeez. Anyway, so. Yeah, that's. That's what I look like.

[Dan Besser]

I'm not talking again.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's what. No, no, no, no. We like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is it because he was too mean? Oh, was he? Was he too mean?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Dan Besser]

Oh, shut up. There.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There was a time when I was very direct with Dan.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah, And. And that's. And it's very, very useful.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Useful's a word.

[Dan Besser]

I think it's important.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Okay. All right. But I, I would, I. Look, I would like to think that I'm not mean, but what I discovered. What I discovered.

[Linus Sebastian]

He went through his horoscopes for MBA's thing recently. So he got his color blocks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, did he?

[Linus Sebastian]

So that. I think that's probably part of what he's like. No, no, this communication is good. Because is that, Is that not it?

[Dan Besser]

No, no.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because we were literally talking about before the show how you like shorter and more direct communication.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just think it's. It's interesting that you pointed out that that was an example of like. Actually, no, you need to go and make sure that this is accurate. I'm not just. Oh, my God, it's so exp. It. You sold it for too cheap. Artie, what are you doing? You're bad at your job. Get out of my site. It was like, no, can you go and please check this. And they did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Dan Besser]

It's different.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Shoot. My ADD brain did a thing there.

[Dan Besser]

And this show is awful.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm sorry, now you're calling my show awful? Thank you very much, Dan. You're the producer of it, so.

[Dan Besser]

Oh, no, it's my fault.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, shoot. I was gonna. Shoot. I was gonna say something there for a second, then I completely lost it. All right, well, good luck, everybody. Yes. Luke's phone just. Just rang. He's got places to be and chicken to cook. So anyway, yes, that was, that was a. That was a situation where I actually did. Was not consulted on the pricing and it really did seem very wrong. Oh, right. I remember. So I'd like to think that I'm not mean or at least that's what I used to think. But I actually filmed the floatplane exclusive earlier this. This week where Sammy had me reacting to employees here talking about their first interaction with me. So here's who the is.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dan Bester.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So here's the thing.

[Dan Besser]

That was hilarious.

[Linus Sebastian]

He's definitely not mean.

[Dan Besser]

He's not mean. He's never. He's definitely never been mean in a professional context.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So here's the thing.

[Dan Besser]

Watch any of the WAN shows that we have ever done and you're very mean.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So here's the thing. Here's the thing, Luke. Every one of those interactions, at least the ones that I can remember or remember some version of, there's a whole bunch of context in my brain that makes whatever I said a light hearted joke. Or banter. Hearing them recall what they were thinking on their side. I was like, oh, I may need to alter my approach.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think sometimes you don't fully grasp the. When it's like a new person at the company and you are owner guy. Can you, like, imagine like a flatter structure? And like, they don't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They don't know, but the people have been here forever. Full weight, which is the context that I have. They don't give a. Like, they just.

[Linus Sebastian]

You got to consider it's a new person.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I look, so.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Seddon's was hilarious. Emily Seddon from editing. Seddon's was hilarious because she. She. She goes on this whole long thing talking about how, like, it's her first day and it's like her trial day, and like, the CEO of the company comes by and is like, who are you?

[Linus Sebastian]

It's kind of a big deal.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, I'm here for my trial day, Lulu Lou. And apparently I was like, oh, good luck. And then I left.

[Linus Sebastian]

That seems fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but you know me. She doesn't wait.

[Linus Sebastian]

But like, what were you supposed to do? Maybe I'm not good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I. The way she tells the story was very perspective broadening for me. Just like. I don't know, it almost. It almost seems like maybe I'm a horrible person. Maybe you are.

[Linus Sebastian]

What were you supposed to do?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know. Not talk to her at all. Like, that's the thing is like, that's my natural thing to just be like, oh, who are you? Or, you know, oh, man, I'm here at trial.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, good luck.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then Andrew, I apparently asked on no less than three separate occasions if he was going to introduce himself. Andrew Moore from the shooting department.

[Linus Sebastian]

He asked on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I asked him on three separate occasions if he was going to introduce himself because I had forgotten him.

[Dan Besser]

Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

That one's. That one's a little rough.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then. And then Vance, our executive assistant, who was hired to be a general executive assistant, but was like, mostly assigned to me at the beginning. He does other stuff. What are you talking about?

[Linus Sebastian]

He follows you around.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, sometimes.

[Linus Sebastian]

All the time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you have his task list? Because I do. It has lots of things that are not for me.

[Linus Sebastian]

I wonder why only you have it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What? No, I'm not the only one who has it. Colton's his manager. Okay, you're actually being unhelpful right now. He is not exclusively my ea.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know for a long time it was. Was kind of that way. This now it's not yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyway, so it's been kind of sometimes one, sometimes the other. Anyway, at the beginning, he was mostly assigned to me, and his first assignment, basically, was to just, like, kind of shadow me and, you know, I don't know, see if there's ways we can find more efficiencies or ways that he can, like, kind of help me optimize my time better, you know, whatever else. And apparently, after some amount of time of him kind of sitting in my office, like, you know, I don't know, helping take notes for calls, I'm not 100% sure what he was doing. It was like, his first couple days or something. Apparently I just kind of, like, turn to him after, like, some kind of period of awkward silence, and I'm like, so am I supposed to, like, talk to you or. Okay, so wait, wait, stop, stop. So in my mind. So in my mind, maybe I'm doing fine. I've never had an EA before.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was concerned. Maybe I'm doing fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

In my mind. I've never had an EA before. I don't know how this works. I literally don't 100% know what your job is because I, like, didn't hire you, and I didn't really define the role. I feel kind of awkward just, like, having a person in my office while I'm working. Am I supposed to, like, banter? So I. So I tried to turn it into, like, a lighthearted joke. Didn't. Didn't land.

[Dan Besser]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Didn't land at all. I mean, clearly. Clearly he made it. He's still here. So, you know, been a couple of years now, I think, so that's something. And, yeah, so there's a. There's a bunch more. LMG Floatplane. It's a banger of an exclusive, so I may have to reevaluate a little bit. I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think you will.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The reality of it is I am a very awkward person. And a lot of people assume that YouTubers tend to be extroverts, but it is not. I think most of them aren't necessarily the case. I have certainly met ones that are.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But what I have mostly met is introverts who. Who. I don't want to say fake it, because most YouTubers that I've met are super real. Like, they're real. It's just that what they have learned to do is channel their introversion and awkwardness into being very personable to a piece of glass. You. You put them in front of a crowd, though, and it is. It is the more.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It is the exception rather than the rule.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That can, like, do crowd work and handle, like, public speaking and stuff like that. Like, those are. Those are generally like the superstars. And even then, even some of the superstars are not comfortable with it. It's not. It's not like they would prefer it just. It happened by accident because they happened to be really, really good at appealing to a piece of glass while they're alone in a room. Yeah. So I may just be an awkward introvert guy. Taran asked me if I wanted to have lunch with a rep from a company at Computex or at dinner or something. And I literally. I've told him before that I. This is literally why I hired you. So that I don't have to talk to people at some point.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you think it's funny? Do you like making awkward scenarios?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Um, it's. I mean, I tell this to my kids all the time and it's. It's really like. It's something I generally, generally, genuinely believe a joke is funny as long as everyone's laughing. And if the other person is like, genuinely deeply uncomfortable, then no, it's not funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right. But it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It is funny that I could go this long and not realize it. That's funny. Like, that's a funny thing. It's a funny observation. It's. It's funny that someone can make a career out of.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's ironic that someone can make a career out of somehow having their personality be appealing to. To millions of people online.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think this is fair. I don't think this line of thinking is fair.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And yet be like, this line of.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thinking is fair at all.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And yet be catastrophic opposite of this and not working.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're not. Not charismatic. I think you like. No, but a comedic sense. Awkward scenarios. And when other people like it as well. Dude, you love it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you like going out of your way to create them because when the other person enjoys them, you find it very fun.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I love.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not everyone receives that energy. I love the office the same way.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I love faulty towers. Yeah, but I. I know. I. I genuinely.

[Linus Sebastian]

It doesn't mean that you are necessarily awkward.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You don't think so?

[Linus Sebastian]

No. It means that you like creating awkward scenarios because sometimes they're really funny. That doesn't mean that you're awful.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I see what you're saying. No, no. Yes. 100. No. No. Yes. Yes. Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

That it's ironic that someone who is awkward was success, but you're not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But you haven't you haven't watched the video yet? Like, no, I'm. I'm being. I'm being real right now, like, creating these scenarios, but I didn't know that they took it that way. Like, I. I genuinely.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's no way you didn't know the. Vance, have you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Have you watched it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Am I supposed to talk to you? There's no way you didn't know that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The way I turned it, I thought it was. I thought it was funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right, because you, like. You find awkward situations funny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, yeah, but I. I thought he'd be. I thought he'd think it was funny too.

[Linus Sebastian]

But that doesn't mean that you didn't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But that's the means that you thought.

[Linus Sebastian]

It would be funny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The awkward part is that I thought he would think it's funny. Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

But you interact with people constantly, and the fact that some of them are awkward interactions doesn't mean that you're an awkward person.

[Luke Lafreniere]

People don't tell me this, because by the time people are able to have that conversation with me, we've built a rapport and we're like, I guess they're over it or whatever. Like, Sedn and I are good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Vance and I are good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So this only came up because I'm watching this exclusive at a time when they're comfortable talking about it, but they didn't bring it up to me at the time. I didn't know that it was actually uncomfortable for them.

[Linus Sebastian]

How would they have done that? No one's going to do that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe you not knowing that makes you awkward.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes, that's what I'm trying to say.

[Linus Sebastian]

But you did know that. You just said that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know that. I know. What?

[Linus Sebastian]

That they're never going to bring that up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

But you're gonna do it anyways, and not because you're awkward. You're gonna do it anyways because you think it might be funny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, I'll do it if I think it's. If I think they're also gonna think it's funny. I just.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're gonna think that they're gonna think it's funny every time because you don't know these people and you would prefer that they would think it's funny. It's not that you're awkward.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm not gonna. Well, that's pretty awkward. Hold on. I'm trying to find a thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, man. This feels reminiscent of the cheese combo.

[Dan Besser]

I mean, I can imagine what I would feel like if I didn't get Linus's who the F is Dan Besser? Well, yeah, but there was so much actual real context around that. Right. It wasn't just I'm in a room with him or anything like that. The series of events that would have led him to just give me the master key with no context is hilarious, but I have context around that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not everyone necessarily has all the con. That's what I was trying to say at the very beginning of this is that not everybody has the context that I have in my brain when I make an offhand remark like, who the fuck is Daniel Besser?

[Dan Besser]

And so that was our first conversation.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So what I realized watching this is that, yes, I intentionally create these awkward situations. No, I did not consider the lack of context that made it genuinely uncomfortable in some cases. No, I did not.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're fishing in a. In a lake with a lot of different types of fish.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And just because you catch the wrong one sometimes, you're still gonna keep casting?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I will. I will try harder not to. I mean, I had. I. We didn't talk about this on. I talked to you about this after the party, but not on. We haven't talked about it on the show. So. I was at a party recently where I ended up in a very socially awkward situation with someone who is a big fan of a particular figure in the tech space.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, I remember this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was. That was me completely misreading a situation, ending up in a very awkward encounter that like, turned heated on me in a way that I didn't anticipate. I got very passionate and enthusiastic the way I'm apt to.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

And no, I will tell you that I ran into a situation. It's either yesterday. Oh, no, you were there for it. I ran into a situation with a salesperson very recently with you where I was saying something critical about the thing that they were selling and they escalated extremely quickly. Yeah, he knows what I'm talking about right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

I believed you, but it was taking me a second.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was wild. If I hadn't. If I hadn't had the recent experience that I had arguing with someone whose convictions are clearly so strong about something that no amount of logic or reason or anything is going to change anything about it, I may have continued engaging.

[Linus Sebastian]

With that individual as much as it shouldn't have. That played a non insignificant role in the final decision to not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, yeah. That was like super weirdly aggressive when nothing was personal. And I was just talking about the product that was for sale.

[Linus Sebastian]

See, but that's Almost an argument against you being awkward.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no. What I'm saying is I'm learning.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, but everybody, I think, honestly, honestly, if anything, I think this revelation for you means that you're probably less awkward than the vast majority of people and more charismatic because you're only starting to realize this now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Corporate puffering right there.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because I think most people are more awkward way more often. So they're aware of it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, man. I don't know, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think you saying that you're. You're awkward is legitimate or would stand.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Up well in a social law. Either way, I am definitely.

[Linus Sebastian]

Everyone has awkward moments.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I am learning there. I will say that.

[Linus Sebastian]

And ideally everyone is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And that reaction video was eye opening for me. I will try to be more cognizant of the sorts of jokes that I make with people I am meeting for the very first time. That is what I learned.

[Dan Besser]

How I say lean into it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I will it up sometimes. Lean into it.

[Dan Besser]

Let this be a known thing. You start here, your boss is going to say something incredibly offensive.

[Luke Lafreniere]

See, but this, I used to literally do it in interviews. This is my point.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is not the first time you've learned this.

[Dan Besser]

It's part of the company culture. It's a form of hazing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Everyone is wanting to know what the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But we are not that company anymore. And we can't be. We're too big now.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I know, but that's. This is what I mean. It's just another step. Well, yeah, yeah, but everyone's learning all the time, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it was awkward when I did it in interviews and it's awkward when I do it on the first day. And someday, maybe years from now, I will figure out that it's awkward when I do it. Three months.

[Dan Besser]

Linus, you're not awkward. You're just unperformed professional.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Thanks, Dan.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know if he's gonna prefer that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, what even is this show?

[Dan Besser]

Well, let's see if our sponsors still think we're professional.

[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Linus Sebastian]

I've got a few.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh no.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are we done Sponsors?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. Oh no.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'll get you after the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Linus Sebastian]

So line or AJ apparently pointed out that Linus asked him to introduce himself like four times. And also at the first ltx, Linus thought AJ was a fan. To be fair, I think that was the first time you guys met each other. So it kind of makes sense given the context of the situation because I don't think AJ had one of the shirts. And I will pair it with the awkwardness of me hiring AJ to bring things off of Linus for a second. I think you probably remember this story, but AJ was the first person that I hired, like by myself.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I thought it was really weird that someone was like joining the company and had never talked to Yvonne, which doesn't matter anymore and is like totally normal, but at that point in time was genuinely weird.

[Luke Lafreniere]

She handled like onboarding and a lot of stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Part of like every hiring before then, I think to a certain degree.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So I was like, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

She even helped me review resumes back when I hired you at ncis.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah. Like she was. She was a. And like now there's just. There's no way. Right? Like we're such a huge company. Not even just Yvonne. Like most people aren't gonna know anything about it when you're brought on because we're so big. But back then it was weird. So I just like I was on the phone with him talking about it and then I was just like, oh, yeah, you should like talk to Yvonne. And I just handed the phone to Yvonne and they both just sat there and we're like, you know, both their.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Personalities, they would both do that.

[Linus Sebastian]

And it's like, didn't really say anything. It was incredibly awkward. And I just threw them both into this scenario with no prep, no planning, no instructions on like maybe what they should talk about or anything. Eventually I just. I don't remember what happened after that, but I think I eventually just took the phone back and was like, sorry. So, yeah, my bad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, you. You actually can be quite awkward too sometimes. It's in a different way though. He's like an aggressive kind of awkward and I'm like, like an offensive kind of awkward because like, okay, a big part of my sense of humor is saying something that I think is so ridiculously stupid or so ridiculously outlandish or offensive that nobody could possibly take it seriously. And then where I run into trouble is that a lot of people take it seriously either because they have no idea anything about me, so. And they just know the position and they have people in their lives who are that stupid or that mean or whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And so they just like assume that that's actually my real thoughts or my real demeanor. Or you've got people that just don't pick up social cues. And even when I like laugh after are just like, oh, he's mean.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or they suddenly think that you are totally on their side and this is something that they are totally for.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which one was that? Oh, oh, yeah. Well, yeah. So anyway.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then it's like, oh, yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So a lot of the time I accidentally say stuff that is like plausible to people, even though to me it's like ridiculous. Right. Like you'll, you'll. I use verbal irony a lot, you know, where I'll. Instead of. And it is not quite the same thing as sarcasm. Sarcasm is cutting, whereas verbal irony is just saying one thing and meaning the complete opposite. So I will say something like, we'll be talking about Nestle and I'll say, but obviously water isn't a fundamental human right anyway. I mean, what makes humans more entitled to it than fish? So realistically, if they people are dying because they don't have access to Nestle, then they should prioritize their Prof. Or water. Nestle should prioritize their profits.

[Linus Sebastian]

I suspect that the way and show audience of any audience that you have will understand that more, probably more pretty often do that on because they see.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Me free flow it more. But they also like miss it sometimes?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm just saying curiosity.

[Linus Sebastian]

That section to repost on Reddit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Curiosity says Nestle. What's that pronunciation? That pronunciation is Nestle. The pronunciation. What do you think that accent. Egu. Is that? That is. Guys, that is the. That is the. That's how you pronounce it. I'm. I'm pretty a dude, man. If I'm wrong about this, I'm just. I'm done with the show. AJ's here today.

[Dan Besser]

I think they're saying it's Nestle. Is that what they think it is?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, they think it's Nestle. That's how American. Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Besser]

Is this like them saying niche instead of niche?

[Linus Sebastian]

Have you never heard Nestle?

[Dan Besser]

Nestle?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. There's no way you've never heard that.

[Dan Besser]

It's always Nestle. I don't talk to Americans, apparently.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think most Canadians call it Nestle as well.

[Dan Besser]

Maybe I was just hearing Nestle when they said Nestle.

[Linus Sebastian]

Probably. I'm pretty sure.

[Dan Besser]

Like, like my brain.

[Linus Sebastian]

English speaking Canadians say Nestle.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah, I just assumed.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Apparently in the English speaking world, the ads do pronounce it Nestle. Interesting. However, the actual spelling of it, this is, this is a French accent which is present in the branding. Let's play it here. Hold on. No, no, no, that's fine.

[Dan Besser]

Oh no. Are we gonna be wrong for the first times in our lives?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Could never happen.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, so if you look, this is an accent ego. And it means a. Like. Okay. I was gonna say Terminae, but that's actually with two e's instead of an accent, I think. Anyway, like, so like a French word with an e at the end that has that accent. Or even if it's not at the.

[Linus Sebastian]

End, it sounds like AJ saying that. He pronounces it that way.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, yeah, well, because it's French and because it's a French word with a French accent on it, but English doesn't have accent. Aigu. So we just say Nestle, apparently, even though that would be pronounced Nestle, which is an actual word. So why we pronounce it Nestle? Maybe Nestle did that on purpose so that we wouldn't think their name was Nestle. I'm not sure. I don't know the origin. But apparently, apparently they, they do use Nestle in their marketing. According to Float Plain Chat. People don't believe me. They're like, look it up on an actual product. Like, like Nestle. Quick, it's there. Look, see? Accent. They flatten it.

[Linus Sebastian]

They flatten the accent because they are. They also have it over the other letters. I thought it was just a design thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, they sometimes don't have it over the other letters. Here, hold on. Yeah, here on this one. Oh, no, no, that one is over the other letters. Yeah, no, you're right.

[Dan Besser]

What about.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think it always is, though.

[Dan Besser]

Fred said on floatplane. What about fiance?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Fiance. I think it does have an accent.

[Dan Besser]

It does.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But so many English words have French origins, and that's why we pronounce them the way that we do. But unless you actually, like, took French in school or whatever, you don't recognize those things that were either part of. Part of the French and English languages, simultaneous development and sort of came from the Latin origin versus things that were just kind of. Kind of picked up from each other in our dialects. Yeah, there's a ton of words that are English words, but we kind of pronounce in a French way just because originally they were French words or whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

It also applies to multiple other languages.

[Luke Lafreniere]

100%.

[Dan Besser]

I do know that in England, back in the old days, they used to say Nestles, and even the commercials had that, too.

[Linus Sebastian]

They also came up with the word soccer and then are now mad at other people for using it. So I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But the big question is, why are we giving any airtime to an evil company that steals people's drinking water?

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a good call.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah. We should just keep pronouncing their name wrong.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, let's call them Nestle from now.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah, I'm going with Nestle.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No one will be able to find any information about them because they're. Look up Nestle. They're going to be like birds getting in a little nest. Nestling in there.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They won't even find chocolate drink. What are we supposed to be talking about?

[Dan Besser]

Just more topics until you're done with the topics.

[Linus Sebastian]

VMware stuff. Liquid cooler innovation.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. Oh, yeah, we talked about. Did we even talk about the G. Did we even read the notes on the GTA 6 trailer?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my God.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think literally at all. May 2nd, Rockstar announced the release date for GTA 6.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, it's fine. We talked about it enough.

[Linus Sebastian]

Don't care.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool. Yeah. All right, well, it's not that we don't care, it's just that we, like, did kind of COVID not coming to.

[Linus Sebastian]

PC for a while. Doesn't matter to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool. All right. I'm going to collapse some of the ones we've done already. Do you want to do The AI roundup. Good Lord, is there ever a lot this week.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's no spicy stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's no spicy stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I said there's some spicy stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, good. Because. Yeah. Wow. I was not. I was not on the same page.

[Linus Sebastian]

The first one is wild.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Hit me.

[Linus Sebastian]

So the first mini topic is judge accepts AI testimony from Deadman. Christopher Pelke was killed in a road rage incident in 2021 where he was shot in the chest. An AI avatar created by the victim's family who was seeking the maximum sentence. Remember that? For later was allowed to address the court. And the AI's testimony included forgiving the accused and saying they might have been friends.

[Luke Lafreniere]

B. Hollinger says nitpick, since there are a lot of words in English from French, but English is Germanic and Nordic in origin, not Latin. The Latin influence came later. Thank you. Carry on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. The judge seemed to be moved by the testimony, saying to the victim's family, I heard the forgiveness. And you allowed Chris to speak from his heart as you saw it. I didn't hear him asking for the maximum sentence.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But then the judge handed down the maximum sentence anyway of ten and a half years. What did we just witness here? There are so many layers of up to unpack.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

So.

[Linus Sebastian]

So the victims.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So the prosecution side, the. The relatives of the murdered guy make an AI based on presumably some kind of record his brain's broken. Some kind of records of the guy who was killed. Right. The AI. The judge allows the AI avatar to.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did they question like a live LLM that had an animated avatar, or is this a video?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I believe so. That's my understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong. Please chat. Jump in there. Jump in there. The judge allowed the AI avatar to be interviewed, to testify. And then the. The AI forgave the accused, saying they might have been friends. And then the judge said, I didn't hear him asking for the maximum sentence, but then handed down the maximum sentence anyway, which apparently the prosecution was seeking. So this whole like AI testimony thing could have backfired on them super hard. It's a statement written by the person's wife as the AI avatar. Is. Is that what it was? Video for impact statement. Okay, hold on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Stacy Wales, Pelke's sister and his brother in law both work in the AI field. When Wales suggested bringing her late brother to life for like that, she said her husband was more than hesitant. He recoiled. Wales told NBC News. And he said, stacey, do you know what you're asking me to do? This is my best friend and I said, I know it's my brother. And then he said, if this isn't perfect, if this doesn't go out and really embody the spirit of Chris, I'm not going to let this be shown.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so it's just an AI avatar reading the impact statements.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What?

[Linus Sebastian]

Whoa.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. It's less stupid that. Still.

[Linus Sebastian]

I thought that was the only way it would ever happen.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's still okay. That's. That's okay. We got a. Okay. Was allowed to address the court. Okay. It would have been nice to have that detail in here.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think that makes it less nuts.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The defendant's attorney called the presentation inflammatory and said it created a strong issue for appeal. I actually, like, kind of agree, which is sort of unfortunate because obviously I would just, you know, if they found the guy guilty, I would just like to see justice served at this point rather than us dragging this out.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, but I feel like you're setting precedents almost.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, I mean, this whole thing is precedent setting. Like, so you reanimate.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was post conviction, but before sentencing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But then. Hold on a second. Why? So if there. See the victim's family who was seeking the maximum sentence. Remember that for later. Was allowed to address the court and then the judge was moved by it, saying, you allowed Chris to speak from his heart as you saw it. I didn't hear him asking for the maximum sentence. So did they just like.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then gave the maximum sentence anyway?

[Luke Lafreniere]

So they just wrote a victim statement that contradicted the sentence they were seeking.

[Linus Sebastian]

And the sentence that was given.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They're like, they already found him guilty. I know, I know. But this is like sentencing, right? Like, sentencing is part of just seeing justice served out is according to our current system. Whether you agree with it or not.

[Linus Sebastian]

I want to move on. Meta's AI app lets you see what others are doing with generative AI. The Verge calls it a mashup of Pinterest. And everything annoying about Threads with a. With a sprinkling of generative AI on top. That's a great comparison. It's hard to explain. Look at these examples. Mixing food and fashion.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Gary V. So Gary Vaynerchuk.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Tells a 98 year old that he's still got time to make it on Meta.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is that mixing food and fat? No, you. That's the second.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry. I was more interested in this one. I saw him.

[Linus Sebastian]

That was listed as Gary Vee yelling at an old, old man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna go with can't escape the Clown. Imagine a room without a Clown in it. You can make the room however you want in whatever style you want, but do not put a clown in the room. Wait, so what, it like always puts a clown in the room? There's always a clown in the room. Why is there Luke, why is there always a clown in the room?

[Linus Sebastian]

Could have had a pre prompt or something. That's weird.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so what's the point of this? I mean, I guess if our social media is just all going to be AI generated slop, then it might as well. We might as well just be forthcoming with that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, apparently people are, are cheating in like Counter Strike now. They're not even at their computer. It's just AI is playing the whole game. So the AI is aim botting, but it's also just entirely a bottle and it's not even someone playing the game. This is happening in lobbies to try to get like, I don't know, I'm assuming drops or whatever. I have no idea. Cases. I don't know, something. And it's like it fairly widespread in public matches apparently.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It is clear. You know what I actually noticed the last few times that I was playing Counter Strike, like for videos that just dropping into a public match is flipping hard now. Like I'm just getting. I am getting like blown away from all over the map in a way that like I'm not gonna counter strike. Like I'm not good at counter strike, but it seems like a new level.

[Linus Sebastian]

Part of that is I think a lot of people don't play multiplayer games for like fun anymore.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But I'm just, I'm just going into like public lobbies though.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a competitive career, but like the amount of people that literally just sit in AIM trainers for hours.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But my MMR is trash. It was on like the LTD benchmark account. Like there's no way, you know, maybe.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe John is just a killer account.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, that's possible.

[Linus Sebastian]

Never know. Could be just in there popping heads.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's clear we need to bring back LAN gaming like faster and harder than ever. Like, let's go whale land. Wait, did I update people? The city of Surrey seems very amenable and they're like, like super duper working on it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know, you told me, but I don't know if it was on the show.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I can't remember. Whatever. We met the mayor. We had a really good chat about like let's, let's go gaming, esports, badminton. We're gonna make it happen. Yeah, it's gonna be awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

Next one Has AI Broken University? Multiple stories have gained traction this week, calling attention to the trend of students relying on AI to complete university coursework and the struggle of universities to adjust to the new reality headlines. New York Mag or NY Mag, Whatever. Everyone is cheating their way through college. And the New Yorker's other headline was Will the Humanities Survive Artificial Intelligence? Quotes from Students. This is an oddly written article. Quotes from students. College is just how well I can use ChatGPT at this point. Another one is I spent so much time on TikTok, hours and hours until my eyes start hurting, which makes it hard to plan and do my schoolwork. This is very honest. With ChatGPT, I can write an essay in two hours. That normally takes 12.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dr. Mike Perkins, a generative AI researcher, told the Guardian that AI detection software is unreliable. Yeah. And they are very easily tricked. Yeah. Has research, has research found his research, his research that AI detectors could detect AI text with an accuracy of 39.5%. But with minor manipulations of the text and other simple evasion techniques, accuracy dropped to just 22.1.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A tool that is 22% effective is not a tool that's a novelty.

[Linus Sebastian]

Can we stop live editing the doc by any chance? It keeps bouncing around.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not me.

[Linus Sebastian]

I literally just had to scroll to find where I was at. Oh my goodness.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is that you, Dan?

[Linus Sebastian]

Researchers at the University of Reading, I believe, conducted a blind test in 2024, submitting ChatGPT written answers through the university's own exam system. And 94% of the AI submissions went undetected and received higher scores than those submitted by the humans.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh no, we're cooked.

[Linus Sebastian]

The discussion question on this is actually the main reason why I wanted to talk about it. Are you going to insist your kids go to college?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. The one thing that I want my kids to do is pursue entrepreneurship because. And I've had this conversation on when countless times, so I'm not going to rehash the whole thing, but basically there is an unlimited ceiling on, you know, pursuing something better and newer and different, whereas there is always going to be a finite ceiling on doing the same task over and over and over and over and over again. And I think part of that comes from being an entrepreneur, and part of that comes from working in a creative industry where Even, even our McJobs, for the most part, are not McJobs. Because there is. There's no such thing as like, just you're. You just move the thing. You move the thing from point A to point B, in accordance with the way that corporate prescribes, there's room for user input on literally, I'm trying to think of a job here that this is not true. For like literally every position here requires you to engage your bloody brain. And so I, I would, I would like for my kids that they, that they not get bored. And this is actually something that I learned from Taryn. He basically goes, look, when you're not learning anything anymore, that's when it's time to leave.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Your current place of work, you know, for him, obviously, you know, other factors like location and pay, these are all, these are all considerations, obviously. But, but the red line is when I am not learning anything anymore, it's time to go. And so I would like, for. Wherever they land, I would like for them to have that always learning, always pursuing something higher mindset.

[Linus Sebastian]

I hope that's good. I don't think, because some people are going to take this all as advice, and I think some of that is probably good to take as advice. I don't think necessarily pushing every single kid with every single set of opportunities into unprecedented entrepreneurship is okay. It's not what he said. It's not what he said.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah, no, not necessarily. My kids have, my kids are privileged. They have a safety net. We're not. Let's, let's not.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a lot easier to experiment with entrepreneurship and I mean, let's not show the best possible route they should go. I do agree.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm just saying some people are going to take this in a way that it wasn't, which is, it's not advice. It's the question was what he will do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And, and you know what? Like, it, it, it might not, they might not even pursue that. Right. Like one of my kids wants to be a vet. You can't just like be a vet by not going to university. That's not how that works. You actually like need to go to veterinary. You are going to medical school just for animals instead of for people. And so, you know, whatever, whatever they want to do, you know, we want to be supportive. Right. Maybe they'll do something with turquoise.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, next. One new AI model lets robots clean up homes it's never seen before. The PI05 is a VLA Vision Language Action model, general enough to be useful in entirely new environments. The model enables AI cleaning robot to understand semantic context and to infer the structure of a task. For example, when cleaning the kitchen, knowing what items are appropriate to pick up and put away and where to put them. So I guess it could look in a cupboard and see if the plates are there or whatever. It's also possible to coach the bot through multiple steps of a complex process with natural language. This is the kind of stuff I think people want from AI. In its defense, AI recruiter Glitching goes viral. TikTok user It's Ken04 posted a recording of part of a job interview, her first meeting with a prospective employer, in which the AI recruiter repeats vertical bar pilates more than a dozen times, stumbling over the words. The AI was part of a platform called appropria or sorry, apriora, whatever, which claims to help companies hire 87% faster and interview 93% cheaper. Comments on the video were almost universally against the use of AI interviewers, with one noting that if they're not taking the time to interview me, I'm not taking the time to try to work there. This is a huge thing. I don't know how much you've heard about this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I haven't heard anything.

[Linus Sebastian]

A lot of places are using this stuff and people hate it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, tell me this, tell me this. And I'm about to find something out. So I'm, I'm around right now and I might be about to find out. Oh, do we use AI for our hiring?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, you don't have to, like, give me the like, corporate puffery version. Like, do we.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

At all?

[Linus Sebastian]

Not as far as I know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. And, well, you like, have hired people in the last, like, yeah, weeks. So, like, if you don't know, then I assume. Okay, well, I'm. Maybe.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think my no is a pretty good answer. I'm not involved in all the hiring, but I've done hiring recently. We have a person who's still under probation, so I'm not gonna name them, but we have a person on the labs team that is new.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So clearly with the last 90 days.

[Linus Sebastian]

No part of that involved.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. All right. And do we, do we feel that that is the best path?

[Linus Sebastian]

As of right now? I would say yeah.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know if I'll hold that line forever, but, I mean, I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I.

[Linus Sebastian]

Think I mentioned last week that like, almost every interaction I had with like, chat based LLM recently had hallucinations in it. Despite the fact that people are saying hallucinations are going down, I decided to try to push that even further and that record is still standing. I don't have an example, but it's nearly constant. The one that I started running into recently was that it can't get dates Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really?

[Linus Sebastian]

I was trying to get it to deal with a timetable basically. Like, not a check in, checkout thing, but, like, what is the plan over the course of this week? And it kept saying, like. Like, let me look at the calendar. It would say, like, Saturday, May 11th.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wait, no. Yeah, right. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

It doesn't look immediately wrong, though. And this is my big problem with the whole people's perceptions on AI Hallucinations is I think a lot of the times they're just looking at it, surface level, and a lot of the things that it's going to be wrong on require at least one step of looking into it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And people don't understand the whole part where it. Like, it. It's a really great kickoff tool for research. Yeah, it's a really great, like, writer's block solver. Yeah, it's a really great, like, bouncing off.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I used it to help name the Smash Champs Badminton Center. I sweet had it helped me come up with just, like, combinations of words.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it still requires you. And I think a lot of people are just trying to take its output and just crap it out. And it's like, man, that is not. You're not gonna have a good time. Like, there's so many things that are just slightly wrong. Like if you. If you go with that, like, Saturday, May 11 thing and then book something using the date of the 11th, you just horrifically screwed up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right. Neat.

[Linus Sebastian]

And in, like, such a basic way. And when someone questions like, how did you book this on the wrong day? Like, it was obvious when it was supposed to be, and you're like, well, that's not gonna stand up. It's on you. I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyways, unless everyone else involved in whatever that occasion was also relies on an LLM for daily tasks. And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, it's possible.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. But it's a lot of mistakes. We'll see. We'll see how things go. But as of right now, no, this is cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Having a perpetual license for software now means that you can get a cease and desist. Excuse me. I've talked about this in the past, how TeamViewer kept soliciting me to buy a subscription when what I actually had was a perpetual license for TeamViewer 12, which, by the way, I still own. And no, I do not have a TeamViewer subscription. They have stopped, by the way. So you don't need to hate TeamViewer any more or less than you already do right now. But I have talked in the past about this strategy that companies have where they will sell you a perpetual license to their product, and then in order to get out of that, they will introduce a new product that is that product, but version number plus a one, and then they will force you to buy a subscription for it. I politely told TeamViewer to F right off with that and stop trying to sell me your subscription, because I bought a perpetual license and I'm gonna keep using it. But it looks like that strategy might not have worked here. Over the last several weeks, VMware users have been receiving cease and desist letters from broadcom, who purchased VMware back in November of 2023. After the acquisition, VMware ended sale of the perpetual licenses, including ending support for those users. This was done. Drumroll, please. To push their subscription model, which also increased by 300% or more after the acquisition. This cease and desist letter states that any implementation of updates past the expiration date must be immediately removed. Deinstalled. Adding any such use of support past the expiration date constitutes a material breach of the agreement with VMware and an infringement of VMware's intellectual property rights, potentially resulting in claims for enhanced damages and attorneys fees. This left some users confused since they technically haven't received any updates or security patches since the support ended anyway. So I guess a f you, Broadcom, like, yeah, continued. Yeah, it's funny because, like, wasn't VMware already, like, kind of hated? I don't think they were particularly well liked.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe not, but I don't think I would go as far as to say they were hated.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it was one of those things where like, okay, chats.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hold on, chat, let us know. Because I. I don't know. I. I thought that was a. I thought that was a thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

People saying a bit. I think it was a bit like people didn't like it, but I think people didn't like it in the way that, like, I don't think people didn't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like it as a tool. I think people love it as a tool, but didn't like the. And the fact that that is so much more now. Okay. Yeah. On A Cadge says VMware has been up to some shenanigans for a while.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's the. The acquisition was a while ago, so I don't know if they. I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Yeah. Okay. It seems like either yes or meh. Someone says they're not bad, not that bad till they got acquired. Okay. Either way, yeah, that sounds terrible. And this man, how this can't be legal. You know, perpetual license. That perpetual has a meaning and I get your T's and C's or whatever, you could change your thing or Liquid Cooler Innovation is About to Skyrocket Famed cooling innovator and also patent troll Asetek has had a stranglehold on the AIO water cooler market for years. Twenty years ago they patented integrating the pump into the CPU cold plate in an AIO cooler, AKA the design that basically everyone uses. Since then they have become less of a cooling innovation company and more of a patent trolling company, successfully taking taking Cooler Master, Corsair and Coolit Systems to court and winning. Last year when they were unable to get a patent extension, their stock price dropped 40% in one day. And if you have a look at their stock price over the last year, it's rough. Things are looking so bad for Asetek they might be getting acquired soon, which is an ouch. This could potentially lead to a bunch of innovation in the cooling space though, or at least just price drops in the AIO cooler market because any company can now make a CPU cooler with the pump and the cold plate integrated and do whatever they want with it. It'll probably just lead to cheaper coolers though, which is also cool. What else we got this week? Oh my goodness, there's so many okay. EB Games Back from the Dead. I thought I said no for this topic. That may have been a misclick. Sorry, whoever prepped that. I'm so sorry GameStop Canada is becoming EB Games again or something. Oh, Delete Me, A sponsor we've worked with in the past gets mildly controversied. A privacy focused YouTuber named Reject Convenience released a video titled what Delete Me and Incogni aren't telling you, and it has received some attention from the YouTube tech community. It's actually a great video. Y' all should go watch it. The video dives into how your data is collected, who holds it, and the difficulty involved in trying to remove that information, and the limitations on services like Delete Me and Incogni. Reject Convenience emphasizes the importance of understanding these technologies and their limitations, and criticizes the talking points that these services provide to creators, considering them to be misleading, and says that the services may not be a good value for most people. The YouTuber also reiterates that we really need more robust privacy laws that protect our personal information, and we need them soon. Speak to your representatives. Deleteme and Incogni have both provided positive responses to the video which Reject Convenience has posted on his blog. Again, go watch the video. It's really well made. Also, apparently we got a subtle shout out. Using Delete Me has actually made noticeable improvements for me as a public facing creator. I've actually seen a reduction in spam calls since using the service and it does make it that much more difficult to find my personal information. If anyone really put their mind to it, I'm sure they could find more about me than I even want to think about. But I often just making something a little more difficult makes people less likely to do it. Says Adam. Oh, okay. That was from Adam.

[Linus Sebastian]

That was from the video.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I thought it was from the video as well. I was like, I don't remember this. Okay. Oh, okay. Interesting. I should. Okay, yeah. We should come up with a way. He did actually put a paragraph break there. So there. Yeah, we should have realized that that was just Adam's notes. All right. Oh. Our discussion question here is what steps is Linus Media Group taking to ensure that our sponsor talking points for Deleteme are fully representative of the product going forward? We've already worked with them on revising the talking points and we're gonna make sure that we get that sorted out for you guys. All right. What else we got here we can leave out? Yeah. Okay. It's died. 22 years after the launch. Skype is dead. Cool. That was a short topic. Should upload that one as a clip. We have some deets about the ROG Ally 2 photos and specs of two pre production models of the new ROG and Xbox Co branded Ally 2s have leaked from an Indonesian certification office and FCC listing. Looks like we're getting the same 120Hz LCD screen, a new shape reminiscent of the PS Portal with full controller grips and a fairly significant bump in performance for the higher end model Specs we know with fairly high certainty. So here's a little. Here's a little table. Let's go. Here's the black version, 35 watts. Zen 5. Zen 5. Let's go. Radeon 890M. Let's go. Similar to an AMD HX370 with 4 CPUs disabled. Pretty impressive benchmarks. You can find the benchmarks elsewhere. We still don't know when they're coming for how much or how tightly integrated the X box functionality will be. All right, that's it for topics. It's time for After Dark. Yes, more like after Dork. Bottom.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think we surprised him with that one. It's gonna take a sec.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, he's got It. I believe it is a professional.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's watch him.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Look at that. It's already after dark. Boom. Got him. Boom. Got him. How dare you.

[Dan Besser]

I was in the middle of messaging Chewie to turn that into a LMG clip.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How dare you doubt this man? Now you're just doing so much for the WAN show.

[Dan Besser]

Now you're just being patronized.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Has done so much for my reputation.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just because you have social awkwardness issues.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Does not mean people would not think.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, does not mean that that interaction was bad.

[Dan Besser]

Now he's just being mean. I take everything I say back. I hate it here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wow. That sniff was synchronized.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

Very cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm really not feeling 100%. Oh, I should have given you a heads up today. I totally forgot. Okay, well, I'm not feeling 100%.

[Dan Besser]

At least he's not leaving the country.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, right. It would be pretty funny if Luke got sick on a trip again. Cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Every time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Every time. Okay, well, congratulations on being sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thanks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Now that's good for later. Like, not very much later.

[Linus Sebastian]

Probably, like, right when I get there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool. For what it's worth, I think it's bacterial, so if I had antibiotics, I'd probably be better by now. But I didn't really bother.

[Linus Sebastian]

Didn't want to get those the same way as last time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I haven't really. I don't think I've acknowledged that publicly how I got those drugs, have I?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, cool. There's. There's ways to get drugs that are not a doctor.

[Dan Besser]

Stealing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's all kinds of doctors.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. There's lots of different kinds of doctors. You know, they got all kinds of doctors. All right, what are we talking about?

[Dan Besser]

Loved the recent video on DIY batteries. Of all the projects you and the team have worked on, which one made you gain the most? Quote unquote, unexpectedly useful knowledge and. And skills. Stuff that you end up using a lot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, man, there's so many videos now that I have a really, really hard time, like coming up with a video sometimes. One where I gained skills unexpectedly. Oh, boy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Unexpectedly useful. Not. Not that you gained the skill unexpectedly. Yeah, but the skill ended up being useful in the rest of your life, and you did not expect it. Maybe that helps, but I doubt it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Wow. I mean. Yeah, it's cool, though. I mean, here's one. Yeah, Here. Here's one. Okay. I'm gonna get my license to drive the fire truck.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are you actually.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it turns out it's. It's not that bad. Yeah, you just. You just have to get like the air brake certification. You don't actually have to get like a Class 3 because it's, it's only dual axle. Yeah. So it's, it's like really not that bad. Apparently we thought it was going to be like a 20 hour course, but it's like a one day thing. So I'm, I think me and the Alex's and anyone else who wants to do it are gonna like do it at the same time. So I haven't seen this, I haven't seen it on the schedule yet, but we're doing it pretty quick. Cool. So that's, that's something I unexpectedly, I'm gonna learn. But I didn't like learn it from that. You know what, I'm standing by it. All right, hit me.

[Dan Besser]

Sure thing. What has been the most unexpected piece of feedback or insight you've gained from your audience that influenced your approach to creating content?

[Linus Sebastian]

So many unexpected things.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah, I didn't realize they were all this today.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's an unexpected piece of feedback or insight. I, I, I think something that changed our approach over the last 10 years or so was realizing how important the role of this oasis where we can just talk about and think about tech was for people. I think that there have been times when we have delved into other issues that people have just told us point blank, not because they sit on one side of the issue or the other side of the issue or whatever, but have just told us like, hey, hey, you guys are my respite from thinking about everything that's going on in the world right now, whether it's then or now or whatever. And can we just not. And I guess that one's top of mind for me because there's been a lot more of that feedback lately as we've engaged in conversation on the changes from the recent US administration with respect to import tariffs. And I think the thing that's really, that's really tough is when people say, hey, can you not talk about politics? It's like, well, it's kind of hard to avoid sometimes. You know, it's like when we're talking about net neutrality or right to repair or hey, all your, it's gonna cost way more. Those are not in my mind sometimes political conversations. They're just some facts. But over time, more and more things feel like they are becoming politicized, if that makes sense.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's not because they're inherently, everything is inherently political.

[Linus Sebastian]

Even like liking a certain activity that has deeply nothing to do with politics is politicized.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Dan Besser]

Like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like going the shooting range, for instance.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I could see that.

[Linus Sebastian]

It can even be like more chill than that. Like liking a certain type of sport.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it's pretty wild.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's lame. It's not cool. No, no. I'm not chill with it. Yeah. I just wanted. I just want my tech videos.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I'm basically, I'm trying to say I hear you loud and clear. And we try to. But there are situations where, you know, when you've got a particular political party that is like not doing anything useful for. Right. To repair or obstructing it or whatever. Or, you know, she's not even calling.

[Linus Sebastian]

One of them out. That just happens on both sides.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that's. That's a very both sides thing. I intentionally chose that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Then like we have real. Or when you have a particular side that is, you know, not handling privacy very well or is enacting like super stupid legislation that's objectively stupid. We can all just agree is stupid. If we're not being brainwashed, then we've got to call that out. Right. Like that's, that's, that's how democracy works. That's the whole point is that regardless of what team, you know, and they're on my team or they're on your team or whatever, regardless of what team someone's on, we're supposed to be able to call it out when it's like, oh, yeah. Our solution to gatekeeping explicit content online is to create a giant honey pot of everyone's personal information in a super unsecured way. It's like, well, no, that's objectively a bad idea and we should push back on it no matter who's in charge. Right. So. But I just feel like there's less and less room for that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know why this whole thing, like just somewhere to not talk about politics or whatever made me think of this, but every once in a while I think about threads like this on the forum.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

This thread has almost 60,000 replies. It's 11 years at the point now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Where it's actually like costing significant amounts to like store the data for it. Not that measurable amounts. How about measurable? We could measure it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Someone could.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Someone could. We won't.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wouldn't be worth it. Yeah, but yeah, and it's just, I mean, you look at the rules and it's just like, I don't know, do. The thing that makes sense for this post is number one. And number two, number three is have fun. And number four is Just keep it civil. And it's like, cool. Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That last one is becoming harder and harder.

[Linus Sebastian]

It is. But just have fun and keep it fun. And that's the rules. Keep it fun.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, Dan, hit me. Can you have maybe not a downer this time?

[Dan Besser]

Can you do that, Linus? What's an unexpected. Oh, no, wait. Hey. Sure this one's not a downer? Hey, lld Linus, you often announce things with a sing songy way. Where do you think you picked that up from?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think that's pretty normal.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sing songy.

[Dan Besser]

Song songy. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Song songy with a song songy way. Ah, I don't know. I never really thought about it. I did sing as a child. I am good enough to know that I suck. So I don't often sing, but I am capable of it a little bit. So maybe it's a thing that I do just naturally. Maybe I had some childhood influence that I never noticed. I truthfully have not really thought about it at all.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's pretty normal.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, cool. Yeah, there's no way I'm doing any singing right now. I have a sore throat. He's not listening. That's good. Okay, Dan, hit me.

[Dan Besser]

Hello? Linus, I'm trying to resist buying a motorcycle.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Don't.

[Dan Besser]

What got you into it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Don't resist it.

[Dan Besser]

How do you stay safe on. And how does Yvonne feel about all.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The gear all the time? Yvonne hates it. It. Oh, by the way, speaking of motorcycles.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're not done yet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Speaking of motorcycles, are you ready to lose?

[Linus Sebastian]

I know you're not done yet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are you ready to lose though, if you aren't done?

[Linus Sebastian]

I haven't lost yet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, hold on a second. I gotta. I gotta. I gotta send a thing to Dan. I gotta send a thing to Dan.

[Linus Sebastian]

He's not done yet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have to send a thing to Dan.

[Linus Sebastian]

He's not done yet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Ah, how do I do?

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm not even concerned.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Share. Hold on. Share with Daniel.

[Dan Besser]

Just email it to infra.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is not what I'm going to do.

[Linus Sebastian]

Good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is not happening.

[Dan Besser]

Locked into it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Also rude. Rude.

[Dan Besser]

I'm not mean. Just this one. Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I do have one more. Oh, this is just a different angle. Actually, this is a better angle, but whatever. Okay, fine. Sharing this to Daniel Besser.

[Dan Besser]

Okay, you want both of those?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, man. I found a third angle. That's like the best one. Yeah, yeah, just use the second one. Okay. Drumroll, please.

[Linus Sebastian]

He's not done yet. He's not done yet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But hey, progress.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is nice. Progress. It's Starting to look pretty good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's progress.

[Linus Sebastian]

Definitely not even everywhere.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hold on. Part of that is the light and part of that is that it is uneven. So I went hard mode and used like a candy style coating, which I have discovered is pretty much impossible to coat evenly on something as irregularly shaped as a lot of pieces of a motorbike.

[Linus Sebastian]

That makes sense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Some of the more uniform pieces, I've actually got it reasonably uniform. The wheels are going to be horrible. Don't look at the wheels. There's a fleck, like right on the top of the gas tank that I'm so upset about. Like a little piece of dried paint that was on some of my masking tape to keep paint out of the gas tank. Came off and landed there. And it's like a little white spot. It's like right on the top, like right under where I'm going to be looking at all the time. So upset. And there's nothing I can do now. I would have to completely blast it again, prime it again. White again, pink again. Like it's not. No, it's not happening. At this point, I'm just accepting whatever result I get. So make of that what you will. So it's going to look pretty bad is what I've kind of come around to. And I'm going to write it anyway because Sunk cost fallacy goes hard anyway. Yeah, motorcycle. Lots of fun. It's a totally different experience from driving. There are definitely things about it that are more dangerous, like the fact that if you get in an accident, you're dead. But there are things about it that in my opinion make it. If you are a very attentive and defensive rider, make it easier to avoid getting into an accident. You are more nimble, you have bigger buffer zones. I'd say that's the bigger thing. I mistakenly said once on the WAN show that you can brake faster on a bike. It feels like it. Apparently you can't. And it's physics. So I'm like, okay, that's good to know. But what you definitely can do is have more buffer space so you can position yourself so that you have a bigger cushion side to side from other vehicles. You can, if you are braking, you can go beside something to buy yourself a little bit of extra space. Sometimes, not always, because if you're braking hard, you cannot steer while you're braking on a motorbike. J2134 says it's literally the most unsafe form of transportation. Okay. Yep, fair enough. But. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not talking about lane splitting. I don't lane split and that is a very good way to be in trouble and get dead. Anyway, what got me into it was my dad used to take me on his bike and it was awesome. Just, I don't know, it's like wind, you know, going past you and like the, you know, the gear and the. I don't know, man. I'm not much of a petrol head when it comes to cars. I literally just want my car to be as quiet as possible and just like quiet. Zoom, zoom machine. I drive electric and I love it. But like something about the motorbike. I test drove an electric bike and it sucked. Just, just soulless. I love the sound of the bike. Yep, bike. Vroom, vroom.

[Dan Besser]

Hi, LTT guys. Why didn't you include pre built systems from the likes of Micro Center, Memory Express, etc. In Secret Shopper?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's a good question. We just don't really think of them as system integrators and we haven't included them and it's arbitrary. Yeah, that's a very good question. We very well could, we just, we just didn't. Micro center would be a little tougher because we'd probably have to go in person, I would think. Like we're not American so that's tougher.

[Dan Besser]

To all three of you. Do you think Canada will bring home Lord Stanley's cup this year? And which team do you think has the best shot?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was Oilers going into it just because I feel like they got robbed last year. And I really want, I really want, I think there's, there's, you got a core with that kind of talent. You just gotta like, you kind of, kind of look at it and go like, come on. Like you got, there's no way like they got it. But man, have you seen that Winnipeg jets comeback?

[Linus Sebastian]

I've been watching it. I don't know what's happening over there, dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, I, I, I, it just, it makes you want to root for them. The fact that they staved off elimination with 1.6 seconds left and then managed to manage to get it done in double overtime. Like, how can you not, how can you not root for these people? How can you not root for them?

[Linus Sebastian]

It's the love of the game right there, man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It looked like they had nothing going on. Like they weren't set up at all. That pass, that is like one of the most heads up plays that I have ever seen, ever. Just getting it across. He could have just shot again. He could have just shot again.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's been like a few years of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really good hawk, like 500 IQ. Like, what's going on, dude?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, it's been a good time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Speaking of a good time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And dude, oh, man, I didn't. I didn't catch the entire game, but I was like, at a sports bar eating dinner last night, and I caught like the first five minutes of the Oilers game. And, like, right off the opening face off, end to end, just non stop. Actually don't know who won that. I should probably check.

[Linus Sebastian]

I am Vikas.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oilers. Five, four. Dang.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a high scoring game.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's a super high. Well, from up, from a little bit of that I saw, I'm not surprised. Like, I'm sure the first thing that both coaches said at the first, like, TV timeout was, yo, everybody, settle the down, because there's just. Who needs defense? Just go anyway. All right. Anyway, good luck for everyone else's team. I guess no one else answered. Oh, apparently Winnipeg's killing it tonight. Sorry, Did. So who. Who's. Who's yours?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. Oilers. I need to go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Then get out of here. What are you waiting for?

[Linus Sebastian]

You.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, all right. We'll see again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel.

[Linus Sebastian]

Bye.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, I'm up. Sa.