Piracy Is Dangerous And Harmful - WAN Show October 10, 2025

Summary

The WAN Show: Piracy Is Dangerous And Harmful – October 10, 2025

Podcast: The WAN Show – Linus Tech Tips
Date: October 11, 2025
Hosts: Linus Sebastian, Luke Lafreniere, with Dan Besser
Main Theme: Navigating tech platform moderation, piracy, and user rights in the evolving technology landscape.

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Linus and Luke dive into current tech news with a focus on YouTube’s vague moderation around piracy-related content, Microsoft’s anti-user Windows decisions, and broader industry moves affecting consumer experience and digital ownership. They add their signature banter, discuss their own experiences with takedowns, share hot takes on tech corporate strategies, and get hands-on with a rare Valve Steam Machine.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. YouTube's Content Takedowns and Piracy (00:56–14:44)

• YouTube Takedown of Space Invader One’s Video
  • Space Invader One's video on using Ersatz TV to turn a Plex, Emby, or Jellyfin library into a live TV channel was removed for "dangerous and harmful content."
  • Despite using only public domain films, no resolution has yet been offered after an appeal.
  • The same video remains available for free on Patreon.
• Vagueness in Takedown Reasoning
  • Linus and Luke discussed how vague policies help platforms prevent rule circumvention.
  • "You can’t be too specific about the rules because … all that does...is gamify working around the rules." — Luke (04:13)
• Comparison to Their Own Takedowns
  • Linus recounts their "DeGoogle Your Life Pt 2" video takedown for showcasing YouTube ad-circumvention.
  • "Anything around breaking a digital lock was essentially, sorry, dangerous, harmful. Can’t have it on the platform." — Linus (06:52)
  • The team purposefully timed new uploads to avoid multiple concurrent warnings.
• Google’s Stance on Adblock
  • Linus asserts that "Google, just to let you know, 100% agrees with me that adblock is piracy." (06:16)

Timestamps

• [00:56] YouTube Takedown details
• [04:13–05:28] Why platforms keep rules vague
• [06:16] Adblock as piracy according to Google

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2. Motivations Behind Tech Company Moderation (08:54–14:44)

• Real Reason for the Takedown?
  • Linus and Luke speculate YouTube takedowns only get strict when Google’s own interests are threatened.
  • "The only reason that DeGoogle Your Life Part 2 ruffled their undergarments was that it was specifically around YouTube, around their platform." — Linus (07:56)
  • They debate whether Ersatz TV is a threat, concluding it likely targets traditional content licensing rather than YouTube itself.
• Allegations of Inconsistent Policy Enforcement
  • Other creators with similar content haven’t had takedowns or bans, which raises questions about targeted moderation.
  • "It just feels like … it can’t help but feel a little targeted." — Linus (12:56)

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3. Windows 11: Local Accounts and User Experience (14:44–41:47)

• Microsoft Continues to Gatekeep Local Accounts
  • Microsoft is removing more ways to set up offline/local accounts in Windows 11, requiring an internet connection and a Microsoft account.
  • Linus: "Did they have like a committee ... for how to make things less convenient, how to make Windows worse? Good committee." (01:09)
• Search and UX Problems
  • Ongoing pain points with Windows Search, default applications, and in-built advertisements are discussed in detail.
  • "If I have purchased my Windows, I don’t want freaking ads." — Luke (31:06)
• The Linux Hypothetical
  • Wild speculation on Microsoft switching Windows to a Linux base—potential benefits, the commercial ramifications, and the (un)likelihood it happens.
  • "I just don’t think there’s going to be much special sauce left for Windows at that point." — Linus (27:46)
• Linux as a Growing Alternative
  • The community’s progress (e.g., through Proton/Valve’s work) is making Linux a more viable option for general consumers.
  • "Computers are getting less and less central in people’s lives. Linux is getting easier and easier for people to use and the barriers are getting lower due to things like Proton." — Luke (28:13)

Timestamps

• [15:19–20:27] Search functionality and product bloat
• [22:14–27:46] The Linux-based Windows alternate reality

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4. Steam Machine Live Demo and PC Case Design (41:59–54:26; 149:00+)

• Linus showcases an original Valve Steam Machine, discussing its unique engineering, design quirks, and the failed experiment of its thermal layout.
• Plans to refurbish the system as a modern living room console once Valve releases desktop SteamOS.
• "I’m so excited for my Steam Machine." — Linus (42:09)
• The crew attempts to boot the system live, reflecting on hardware nostalgia and PC history throughout.

Timestamps

• [41:59] Steam Machine unboxing segment
• [43:05] Hardware design deep dive

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5. Merch Messages, Gift Card Snafu, and Meta-Operations (59:53–73:00)

• A flash 10% gift card promotion accidentally goes live just before Black Friday, leading to a mad scramble and chaos in "merch messages."
• The hosts candidly describe their internal processes, mistakes, and how they communicate store promotions to fans.

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6. Industry News Rapid-Fire: Synology, Logitech, Class Actions & More (72:56–146:22)

Synology Walks Back Drive Restrictions (72:56)

• Synology reversed its controversial restriction on using only approved drives after consumer backlash.
• Linus openly discloses his investment in Hexos, an up-and-coming NAS OS aiming to disrupt Synology.

Logitech Bricks Smart Home Devices (78:23)

• Sudden EOS (end-of-service) for the Pop smart buttons with little warning or meaningful compensation; both Linus and Luke criticize the planned obsolescence.
• "A 15% discount is not an apology. That’s a retention marketing strategy, not compensation." — Linus (79:54)

ParkMobile Data Breach Settlement (81:04)

• Class action provides laughable $1 credits to consumers, majority of the payout goes to lawyers.
• "The fact that they make you spread a $1 credit across four purchases is all the proof...the lawyers ... do not care about any kind of ... justice." — Linus (84:01)

South Korean Gov’t Data Loss (134:59)

• A fire destroys 858TB of government data due to lack of backup, revealing catastrophic IT risk management.
• "Blaming the employees at this point is the least based thing you could possibly do." — Linus (138:12)

Qualcomm Acquires Arduino (95:28)

• Discussion on the risk to open source from such acquisitions, questioning future openness and educational focus.

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7. Cars, Subscriptions, and Digital Locks (100:33–116:53)

• Ford and others are increasingly locking core vehicle features (navigation, heated seats, performance) behind subscriptions, even for hardware already present in the vehicle.
• Linus: "You are going to have to pry my money from my cold, dead hands before I buy a car that doesn’t support me just plugging in my phone and using all my crap..." (101:24)
• GM earns billions from such subscriptions and bets consumers will pay up.

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8. Xbox and Game Pass: The Streaming, Ad-Supported Future? (115:38–125:46)

• Rumors swirl around Xbox hardware, a canceled handheld, and a potential ad-supported, streaming-only tier for Game Pass.
• Luke mourns the direction of modern gaming, fearing worse user experiences as the industry pivots to ad-and microtransaction-centric models.
• "I think gaming was better when you owned less games because you bought them ... and there weren't ads." — Luke (125:10)

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9. Steam Deck’s “Success” vs. Console Failures (127:44–133:49)

• Why is the Steam Deck hailed as a success with relatively low sales, compared to consoles like the PS Vita or Wii U?
• Linus: "Expectations for Linux gaming were that it was just never going to happen ... millions of units is incredible for gaming on Linux." (128:14)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Tech Company Moderation:
  "You can’t be too specific about the rules because ... all that does...is gamify working around the rules." — Luke (04:13)

• On Adblock as Piracy:
  "Google, just to let you know, 100% agrees with me that adblock is piracy." — Linus (06:16)

• On Windows Ads:
  "If I have purchased my Windows, I don't want freaking ads." — Luke (31:06)

• On Vehicle Subscriptions:
  "A feature of a vehicle that is not just part of it and that requires a subscription doesn't exist. So I have literally never used them." — Linus (110:34)

• On Modern Gaming Industry:
  "When microtransactions came in, cool cosmetics for accomplishing cool things went away...fun cheat codes went away." — Luke (123:37)

• On Success in Spite of ADHD:
  "What every single successful person has in common…is they all worked their butt off and didn’t take failure as an option..." — Linus (203:00)

• Ultimate Tech-nerd Moments:

  • Live hardware diagnostics with the Valve Steam Machine.
  • Detailed breakdown of operating system evolution speculation.

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Additional Highlights & Timestamps

• Steam Machine Showcase: [41:59, 149:00+]
• Gift Card Promo Debacle: [59:53]
• Rapid-fire audience Q&A ("Merch messages" and After Dark): [156:04+]
• Bird Sleep Metaphor (Luke): "Luke sleeps like a bird. You just put a blanket on him." [187:50]

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Tone and Style Summary

The episode combines in-depth, sometimes irreverent tech analysis with Linus and Luke’s trademark sarcasm, nostalgia, and practical consumer empathy. The hosts pivot seamlessly from serious commentary on industry trends to self-deprecating anecdotes and live tinkering, creating an engaging, varied listening experience.

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For Listeners: Key Takeaways

• Tech platforms’ lack of transparency in moderation often serves self-protection, not user clarity.
• Increasingly, consumer devices and software are moving away from user empowerment (local logins, ownership, interoperability) in favor of vendor lock-in and recurring revenue.
• Real digital “ownership” is endangered by cloud reliance, DRM, and subscription models.
• Nostalgia persists for older, user-focused hardware and software, with Linux and open hardware experiencing a low-key renaissance thanks to consumer pushback.
• The future of gaming, operating systems, and even cars, will depend on how vigorously users push back against paywalled features and cloud-tethered control.

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(For full technical details, refer to the episode transcript and segment timestamps.)

Transcript

[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Linus Sebastian]

What is up, everybody? And welcome to the When Show. We've got a great, great show lined up for you guys this week. We're going to be talking about YouTube taking down a video that showed how to turn your Plex server into a live TV channel that was dangerous and harmful. Dangerous?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. We can't have that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, you might have.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You might store ISOs there.

[Linus Sebastian]

You wouldn't download a Danger, would you?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I would download. I have downloaded Danger.

[Linus Sebastian]

You've downloaded Danger.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Objectively downloaded.

[Linus Sebastian]

How did you download my middle name? In other news, Microsoft has blocked more ways to set up a Windows 11 local account. Did they, Siri? Do they have like a committee, an internal committee for how to make things less convenient, how to make Windows worse? Good committee. Quality committee.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It feels like it's truly doing the Lord's work. In good news, Synology backpedals on banning third party hard drives. And in Is there more good news?

[Linus Sebastian]

I told them there was a good show. I told them it was a good show.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It is going to be a good show. But is there more good news? Microsoft promises more Xbox hardware still on the way. Do you care about that? I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure, let's go with that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's the best I could get.

[Linus Sebastian]

The show is brought to you today by Vessi, Proton, Squarespace and Ubiquiti, alongside of course, our rap partner, dBrand, our laptop partner, Dell, and our chair partner, Secret Lab.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude with the flip around.

[Linus Sebastian]

The what?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You did it out of order.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did I?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. You even ever so slightly hiccup. You don't even notice anymore, do you? You just autocorrect. That's fantastic.

[Linus Sebastian]

What was the flip around?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You did the middle one, then the top one, then the bottom one. Did he not? I thought he just did that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just over a week ago, Space Invader 1 had a video taken down from their channel for, and I quote, dangerous and harmful content. The video in question showed Ersatz TV, a program that lets you convert your Plex MB or Jellyfin Library, a live TV channel. Space Invader 1 states that they are sure to never include copyrighted content and in this case even used public domain films such as the Brain that Wouldn't die.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Amazing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Since this takedown, they have requested an appeal with no further update on whether this was resolved. They did say the video is still up on their Patreon for free in case you guys are interested in seeing it and supporting our discussion. Question here from the one and only Elijah is it feels like we know what the real reason was for this video being taken down. Considering that we had our part 2 of D Google your life taken down for showcasing an ad free workaround for YouTube, would it be better if Google just told you the reasoning outright rather than saying dangerous and harmful? Or is there a reason for them to keep this vague?

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's definitely a reason. There's absolutely a reason. You, you never, if you want, whenever you're trying to moderate a social platform, you. You can't be too specific about the rules because all that does. I mean, we saw this with Twitch, right? Twitch tries to try to implement some rules of what you couldn't do.

[Linus Sebastian]

You gotta be, you've got to be, you know, at least within 4 inches of your chin for your neckline and. And then so you'll have people at 3.9 inches or they'll get a chin extension, you know, injection so that they can wear a slightly lower shirt or whatever, Right, Whatever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like I know some person, right? Wore really tight fitting green clothes and then green screened the game onto the clothes. You couldn't actually see them wearing any clothes. So it gave the illusion that they were like, people will find a way no matter what. There is as many examples of this as you want. This is with standard everyday law. This is with, with rules on platforms, whatever. So if you're vague and you're just like, you broke a rule bad, then it's harder for those people to try to gamify working around the rules, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

So why don't we try to dig into why they care.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know who it was, why.

[Linus Sebastian]

They care about this, because here's a, here's a funny thing and I am probably about to get myself into trouble here because.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice. Let's go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I mean, you know what, we're pretty deep into the show at this point. I think realistically most people probably aren't watch anymore. Windows Free Linus. Okay, here's this guy. Look at this hair. I mean, can you imagine being in your late 30s and doing this. What is this bracelet? Okay, the point is it doesn't matter. Are you paying too Much for Windows. He's wearing this. He's wearing this pirate hat. Free. Free Windows. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think whoever dyed your hair there did a really good job.

[Linus Sebastian]

Quality. Quality job.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

That video was uploaded, I think, a day after our warning for De Google your Life Part two expired. Because if we had uploaded something to do with piracy, which by the way, Google, just to let you know, 100% agrees with me that adblock is piracy. They're. They're real. They're real clear on that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow. I wasn't sure about that one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, well, no, that was one of the big arguments for why it was wrong. Oh. Like back when I first said that, like, well, Google does it. Yeah, they do. They definitely do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They have the extension so they can stay competitive, not because they like it.

[Linus Sebastian]

So our. So our video, How De Googling youg life part 2 was taken down because of specific instructions, which I don't even know if we got that deep into it, but basically talking about circumventing ads on YouTube. And. And the justification given to me was that it was because it was. Anything around breaking a digital lock was essentially, sorry, dangerous, harmful. Can't have it on the platform, really. So we waited 91 days or whatever the number was. I don't remember. 92 days or something. Basically we had this video done when D. Google youe Life Part 2 went up. But we held it until our. Not a strike, it wasn't a strike, but until our. Our warning expired so that we wouldn't accumulate two warnings. Because I think the third one, you're actually in serious trouble and you end up with like a Striker channel suspension or something like that. Or maybe it's the second one. Don't quote me on that. Details. The point is we didn't want two warnings. We didn't even want one warning. I don't know why I'm talking about this right now then. So this video contains pretty specific instructions on how to obtain Windows for free. Why doesn't YouTube care? So my theory at the time, because we've. We've talked about piracy lots. My theory at the time was the only reason that De Google your Life Part two, you know, ruffled their undergarments was that it was specifically around YouTube, around their platform. I can't figure out where this ersatz TV thing falls into that because I doubt it has anything to do with people wanting to broadcast YouTube. I mean, the whole point of YouTube is that it's. It's on demand. It's not like a. Like a streaming service. And the kind of piracy that it seems like they are concerned about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I promise you there are auto downloader scripts for plex that scrape YouTube channels.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure. But what we be the point of watching that? It would be far more of a waste of your time to sit through a whole bunch of video from that channel that you don't want to watch in order to get to the one you want to watch versus just sitting through the ad on YouTube. Because this is for streaming. Oh, yeah. So like there, there's no real threat to YouTube here. The main threat is probably more along the lines of enabling people who run like pirate video streaming subscription services. Like having a move, a Disney movie channel that you have, you know, people in your. In your social circle. You, you advertise on Facebook, Marketplace or Craigslist or whatever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's the case.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's totally a thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I think this is downloading VODs for sure. It says make your own live TV channel, but I think they would do that by downloading vods and then mixing them into a live feed. So you're still downloading things from YouTube and then playing them somewhere else.

[Linus Sebastian]

But if you wanted to do that, then why wouldn't you just share your plex library? Am I missing something here? Please tell me if I'm missing something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Based on YouTube videos. I don't, I don't think it's like, is there a better option or. Not necessarily. I think at its core they were downloading YouTube videos and then having them play in effectively random order off of your own thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, no, it's. Enjoy your own. Build your own live TV channels. So it's. It's like this with like programming and it's like at a scheduled time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but they're YouTube videos. They're not live streams. Well, no, your thing is a live stream, but what you're downloading is YouTube videos. So it still fits in. The reason why you think our video is taken down, because it shows you how to download YouTube videos.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, but I don't think he's. But he wasn't talking about YouTube videos. And I don't think that's what most people are using this for. Because, like, why would you do that? Why would you want. Why would you want this experience for YouTube videos?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It would be just worse even.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just look at their example. This is all traditional media. Like, this is not YouTube. This is not what I would think anyone would be doing with this. And I suspect that the people who are trying to use this in any kind of commercial fashion are more trying to monetize this like live TV experience. So given. Given that it doesn't threaten YouTube's own content, I'm just. I'm a little surprised that they care.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I made a bad assumption that this had something to do at all with YouTube.

[Linus Sebastian]

No. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't get it even slightly then.

[Linus Sebastian]

No. Turning your Plex library into TV channels is what. Or sats TV does. If I had to. If I. Okay, this is. This is pretty good from chat. So maybe they got a cease and desist. Like maybe this was one of the more traditional content providers that basically went, hey, y' all need to remove this. Maybe.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But then again, like you said, he used stuff like the brain that wouldn't die.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So you.

[Linus Sebastian]

And like I feels like he did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This all above board.

[Linus Sebastian]

And like I also said, where's my takedown for this then?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So is it a look at this guy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How could you not look at.

[Linus Sebastian]

Look at that shifty eyed mother.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wouldn't you want it when you just automatic automatically want to take his videos down?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is weird. I just. I just applied what happened to us to it and assumed no. Oh, here's a fun one. This might not be good to bring attention here. Sorry Lon, but Lon tv, a full playing guy, actually has a video on make your own streaming channel with Plex and Airsats TV four months ago. It's still up.

[Linus Sebastian]

It just feels like. And I. Look, I know it's probably not targeted, but it can't help but feel a little targeted when finding a video on this topic from four months ago was as easy as you just searching for it like that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, good luck us and good luck everybody else. And if you guys want to check out the video, you can head over to Space Invader 1's Patreon where that video is still up. If you ever want to watch de Google your life part two. I don't actually think we did leave it up on float plane, did we? That is a good part two.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's up. Part two's up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are you sure?

[Luke Lafreniere]

100.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're 100 sure?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I am 100 sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh good. Okay. Neat. Well, that's up on. Oh yeah, there it is. Cool. So that's up on floatplane.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah. Our search is not the greatest. There's a fun trick. If you put it in quotes, it immediately works wildly better. We know what's wrong. We'll get to fixing it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nope, didn't work.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You just put D Google in quotes and it didn't work because I've done this like five times this show so far.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, because I didn't put D Google. I just put Google your life. So it brought up probably any video that had the words Google your end life anywhere in the title. Comments and description would be my guess. Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is. It's been a long time since I've looked into our search. Maybe. But yeah, D. Google would have worked for you.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cool. All right, what's next? What do you want to talk about, Dan? We're going to mix it up. Dan. Choose our next topic.

[Dan Besser]

Oh, we're going to talk about Windows 11 because I'm not moving over.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Good.

[Dan Besser]

Ever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Good.

[Dan Besser]

I'm waiting for 12.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know that the past pattern of like, good Windows, crappy Windows, good Windows, crappy Windows is not an indication of future good Windows.

[Dan Besser]

Prove me wrong. Windows.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, don't tempt them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Prove you right. Prove him wrong.

[Dan Besser]

I'm just going back backwards. I'm going back to seven.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Good. Good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Microsoft is blocking more ways to set up a Windows 11 local account. When announcing Windows 11 Insider Preview builds 261206772, Microsoft revealed that they are removing known mechanisms for setting up an offline or local account. Microsoft says users will need to complete their Windows 11 setup with an Internet connection and with a Microsoft account. As you would probably expect, it was not long before folks started to make workarounds and Notebook. Check who we were reading when we were looking at this development already has some examples of how to make a local account on. On Windows 11's new build. So if you guys want to head on over. I'm not saying. Look, okay, Google, just calm down. You all. You have a little. Relax.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think you should. I think you should go read the article and I think you should make a local account.

[Linus Sebastian]

I am not providing anyone with instructions to anything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think you should do it.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is. This is Notebook Check. An unaffiliated website with which I have nothing to do. I don't even know if they have ever even associated with me in any way. Maybe they said mean things about me I literally don't know. What I do know is that this is not a page that you should ever look up there. Please don't take down my wan show.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Discussion question. Aside from simply allowing local accounts, what can Microsoft do to repair Windows 11's public image?

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean. Oh, dude. I mean, like, where do you even. Where do you even start with stuff like that? Right? Like here, let's try a thing. Let's try a thing for fun. Tell me something that Might be on my computer that I could search for.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can tell you things I wish were on your computer that you could search for. What happened to local games without ads?

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, something notepad that'll show up. That'll work. Yeah. Okay, that worked immediately. Okay, bad example.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Usually it's individual files that I wouldn't know you have on your computer that doesn't immediately search up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, let's find out what files I have on my computer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Probably not a ton because they're laptops.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is not. That's true. Not gonna be an amazing example. But I am pretty sure everybody has experienced, so we could just tell them what you're talking about.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Okay, hold on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Basically, when you search for things on Windows and you can disable this.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, hey, it found. It found my favorite Luke meme. Okay, you know what? The search actually worked pretty okay there. But there's. There's definitely times when it doesn't work too good. All right, why don't we move on?

[Luke Lafreniere]

My goodness.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah. What could they do to fix the image? I mean. Okay, fix the search.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, maybe it's great.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Okay. Permanently fix the search.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We should do. Do a labs thing. Does Windows search still suck?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know if you would prove it one way or the other, unfortunately.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

But from one machine to the next, sometimes you'll have a pretty different experience. Like I. From one day, from one search to the next, I can type the whole.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Bunch of different ones.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can type the same characters and it will like literally like, oh man, what was one? That would happen all the time for me because I had two applications that had like the first three or four letters in common.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That one's rough, but. Ah, yeah, that one's really rough. When they. When the one that it's auto selecting will change.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

After you finish typing, even though they.

[Linus Sebastian]

Both share all the same letters, it will like randomly change when you type one more letter. It's just bizarre.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What is the name of Battle State? So I would try to open the Battle State Launcher back in the day, Right. I couldn't remember the name of the company. It's been a while. But I try to open the Battle State Launcher to play Tarov and I type Bat and it would show the Battle State Launcher. And then like in the time that it takes for me to shift my hand over to enter, it would switch to battle.net and then I'd be like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like you can load it under this thing?

[Linus Sebastian]

Is this pre or post Activision acquisition putting on my tinfoil hat.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Definitely post. Oh, I knew it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I knew it. This is a good one. XDStock in floatplane chat says, I tried to open Powershell the other day and it web searched it instead. No, I don't know. It's just. It's tough to. It's the kind of thing that's really tough to replicate.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. One of them was the new Windows 11 preview build. Has folks wanted to jump ship. So what advice would you give any Windows users? Consider swap. Considering swapping their os in 20, 20, 25.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Some games are still a problem.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But like send it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Give it a shot.

[Dan Besser]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

At least try.

[Linus Sebastian]

Here's a. Here's a wild question. Do you need to play the games that are on Windows?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, probably not. There's some like, friend group issues.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I mean, you ran into that back when we did the Linux challenge a couple of years ago and it were.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, again, what game was it? Battlefield. Which is funny because if I did it now, it would be.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's hilarious.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice. Was that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Was that battlefield 2042.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which turns out not a big deal that I couldn't play that one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right. But you're pretty psyched for Battlefield six.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Or six.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it comes out like tonight. But I can't play because my computer's not set up anyways.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I have like, things to do.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But I will play eventually.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe I'll play it and think of you. I won't. I'll be playing the of least Chronicles.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The what?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, the Final Fantasy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. I'm like 20 people saying it's already out. Yeah. Today, Right. I was working.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, Handyman figured it out. Yeah. It was teams in Team Viewer was what I would always. It would like change. I'd type. I'd type tea and it would be like Team Viewer. And I'd hit M and it'd be like. You mean teams and I. So I'd hit enter. Because sometimes my typing just like has momentum.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, of course.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'll be like, oh, no, you've got it already. And then it would change right. As I hit like one more key. It's not what I meant to open, apparently.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Stranger Changer. Ift. I don't know their name is Float Goat in Battlefield. Let's go. My little note here is maybe Microsoft should pull an Edge. Other people are doing it. What if they just based their operating system off of Linux with Edge, they just based it off of Chromium. What if they just gave up on the Windows kernel? What if they just let it die? Imagine how much better Windows Server would be.

[Dan Besser]

That's kind of crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're proposing that they turn Windows into a Linux distro if the next iteration of Windows is just a distro of Linux.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, with like a bunch of ads and bull crap. Because that's what they do now, right? So that would work. I think they should just do it. What distro are you.

[Dan Besser]

I told you Windows 12 would be great. I told you, man. Dude, Dude, Windows aren't art.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Think about it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So much of the back catalog is going to have to be like emulatable because of the switch to ARM anyway. Like looking at what a colossal project that has been, would. Would figuring out a compatibility layer for your older Windows apps for new Linux Windows really be any harder than that? I literally don't know. I. I actually do not know the answer to that. It would be great, but given that Valve and the open source community managed to do it to a significant degree for gaming, given that there are already. There's already such widespread support for. Well, okay, no, sorry. I'm just. I'm trying to. I'm trying to wrap my brain around this because somehow in all the years of WAN show, we have never talked about this. Could you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Could you use Microsoft Store and Game Pass native on Linux? Yeah, why not?

[Linus Sebastian]

Could you use like virtualization in some way? Like could you. Could you virtualize old Windows to run certain apps? Like, could you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because there's the WINE compatibility layer. Yeah, people have called that out in full point. Anyways, there's some stuff to do this already. Like Valve, they could just pour into these open source projects and get it done. Look at the rapid development that happened with Proton.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right? But they want. Dude, they. But then why would OEMs like Lenovo and Acer keep pouring money into their coffers for Windows licenses then? At that point? Because they do still make money on Windows, as far as I can tell Microsoft.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is it against agreements to charge for a Linux distro?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I don't think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well then they could just do that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right? But who would pay for it at that point?

[Luke Lafreniere]

The familiarity would be there.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not with the way they keep changing the stupid UI all the time. I mean, why was my start menu in the middle all of a sudden?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, Red Hat is pretty sure. I just didn't know if that was purely a support contract or if you actually had to pay for the distro itself. I wasn't sure about that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Windows revenue. Here we go. Fiscal year 2024 compared to fiscal year 2023, revenue increased 13%. Windows revenue increased 8% driven by growth in Windows Commercial and Windows OEM. So note that retail is not their focus. Not even a little bit. Commercial products and cloud services revenue increased. Blah, blah, blah. Microsoft 365, Windows OEM. Oh yeah. O. So this is. This is just like system. System builders, Windows. Yeah. So I can't think of a reason why if I'm Lenovo, I want to keep paying even the bulk rate. Bulk rate Windows licenses if my user for this system is going to be able to just not run Windows and run all the same software. But that's the thing. Run all the same software.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Stuff like teams, Microsoft Teams is rough. Every time I've had to use it, it's rough to the point where it usually ends up being worth it to just run it in a browser, which is a worse experience for an app like that, in my opinion.

[Linus Sebastian]

Rysaw says most users are just going to use whatever their computer ships with, which is fair enough if I'm an Acer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

People have tried it though, and those are less popular options even when they're cheaper.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I might want to dip my toes into it if all of a sudden it wouldn't matter. Like if it legitimately wouldn't matter. Because the second Microsoft ships their Lindos fork or whatever, I think that already exists. I think it's just a Linux that is kind of skinned like Windows. But the second they ship that, you know that there's going to be forks upon forks upon forks upon forks of that that try to replicate as much of the Linux Windows experience as possible. And if what matters to the typical users that their browser works and the familiarity of the interface, then I just don't think there's going to be much special sauce left for Windows at that. At that point. Like the. The compatibility is pretty much the only thing keeping me on it now. Like just knowing that, especially games, it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is purely the only thing keeping me on it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anything I want to run is going to work on it. So unless they put a ton of work into proprietary compatibility layers, then I just don't really see what value their Windows Linux would have.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it would be funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, funny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I wonder if in like billions of.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dollars on the line for them, they can't just do things a long time. They can't just like post a new Windows.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Computers are getting less and less central in people's lives. Mm. Linux is getting easier and easier for people to use and the barriers are getting lower due to things like proton. 10 years, 15 years. If people just don't really care that much anymore, they could try.

[Linus Sebastian]

They'll still care about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Consider it. Long term PMs at Microsoft. Consider it. I would love it to happen. I want Windows to die. I wish I didn't think that. I desperately wish I didn't think that. If you asked me like seven years ago, I'd just be happy using Windows for the entire rest of my life. No problem. I like it a lot. The only trend line in Windows for a long, long time has been poof. I like hate it. So unless there's a significant change.

[Linus Sebastian]

8.1 was okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

8.1 was alright. Yeah, 8 was.

[Linus Sebastian]

8 was a yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

An 8.1 needed some work but you could get it to be pretty solid and then it would stay pretty solid.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah. Towards the end of 8.1 when it was service packed up like it was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was pretty all right. Yeah. And then right back at it. Windows 10 didn't like that. Never liked that Windows 11 came out. Never liked that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can't remember what I thought of Windows 10. I think Windows 10 was okay. I actually man, it's kind of amazing how long ago Windows 10 came out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So just for reference for people.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Windows 10 came out 10 years ago. Like what?

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I have actively, very much disliked everything about windows for 10 years.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So at a certain point it's just like damn, dude, can we make Luke switch to macOS? No, probably not.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean it really doesn't matter that much, honestly. And macOS gets ironically better support from Microsoft than Linux does in a lot of cases. Like teams on macOS.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Definitely. Yeah, yeah. That's not even. That's like all the time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh no, no, I know. I just mean the irony is just that you know, Windows, Mac, but like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It'S mostly keep those Linux guys out. Yeah, it's. It's. Yeah. And I don't think it like has to always be this way. I absolutely, definitely think there is a path to redemption for Windows. I just don't think they're going to take it. That's why I'm like so frustrated and it's been so long of being very sure they're not going to take it that it's just like all right.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just kind of wonder why it'd be. It'd be interesting to sit in the board room and my. Sorry, no, go ahead.

[Luke Lafreniere]

My completely ignorant naive opinion is that it would be so easy to make it not trash. I don't think it would take that much work to make it not trash, genuinely. Because like there are a lot of things in my opinion that Windows could do that would make it cool and interesting and they don't. That's a whole other question. The thing that bothers me most is the things that they actively do that actively make it bad or worse. Like if I. If I have purchased my Windows, I don't want freaking ads.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Ever. Any amount go away. Like just there's certain things that are like my goodness. And we know that they've been rather okay with Windows piracy for like a long time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So if you're going to do that, just put ads in those versions. Whatever. But I bought it go away. Like it's the. You just mentioned it barely matters anymore. I agree. So get out of my way. Don't just like put all this junk there all the time. Don't make search bad or make it an easy toggle. And never turn it back on. If I turn it off. No questions. If I'm like, you know what? I kind of like just using my start for search and for local files. But if you did, sure, yeah. Then you can leave that on. There's no problem. But just let me turn it off and don't. Don't bury it in a reg edit and don't reset it every once in a while.

[Linus Sebastian]

Remember when like Media Player was pretty cool?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Media Player used to be sick. The new one is so annoying.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you remember when the ability to view photos within Windows was not just a trash experience?

[Luke Lafreniere]

They have this new. What is it called? Why is this pop up coming up? Go away.

[Linus Sebastian]

Where's the X?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Where's the Sucks so much. This is such a terrible experience.

[Linus Sebastian]

Any window that doesn't have an X in the top right should be banned.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

By law.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't want next. I don't want anything. I want this to get out of my way because I'm using my computer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I hate the new photos app. I hate the new video playing app. I actually did kind of like old like Windows Media Player Classic. I know it was like more based to use VLC or whatever else, but I liked Windows Media Player Classic.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why did this open in a new thing?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's whack. They have clip champ now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is it at least easy to just quickly crop something now? Because that used to drive me absolutely crazy. Is that. Let's see. No, hold on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Edit resize.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is this gonna open in yet another window? Okay, here we go. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. At least there's like a quick way to crop things in here. Now, how do I apply it? Why is this, what is all this AI crap? Okay, save. So wait, did I. Okay. Is it you? Okay, I can't just, I can't just apply it. I don't. Dude, I don't know. Maybe I'm missing something here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But like, this part's whatever. That's just getting used to how this app works.

[Linus Sebastian]

I hope you think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I hope.

[Dan Besser]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know, man. When I, I, I, I don't know why apply buttons went out of fashion.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I, I suspect if you just saved it, it would just be that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it will. No, no. Oh, no, no. I don't, I don't doubt that. I don't doubt that. I just, I don't know, man. I just, I like, sure. I like being able to apply a change.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just know it's done.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then seeing that it is done, it just doesn't seem. This, this is better than it was for a long time. And the, the stupid Clip Champ on your computer. I do have Clip Champ. I mean, it comes installed on my computer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pisses me off.

[Linus Sebastian]

What is it? Is it worse than Windows Movie Maker? I mean, Windows Movie Maker was kind.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Of a piece of jams. Movie Maker better, apparently. Mine doesn't even have clip.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I have Clip Champ. I can open up Clip Champ.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Probably uninstalled it.

[Dan Besser]

I may have done a pass and like, sure, I always do.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh my God. Why do I have to sign in?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Done immediately. Piss. This is my point. What are you talking about? I want to edit a video. I don't need to log into your stupid thing. I need a timeline. I need to put the video on it. Maybe the video has some audio. Great. There should be a timeline for the audio. If not, I can put my own audio there. You had Windows Movie Maker. Tons of people actually cut their teeth on editing videos with Windows Movie Maker. It was kind of rough.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hold on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They could have just made the experience.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no, no, no. Hold on. Luke, are you wanting to sign in with Google or email? Oh, would that make it better?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just stop. Like, oh my God. Their differentiating factor for Microsoft seems to be right now that they're pushing the apps like the, the negative thing they're doing towards Linux is that there's no like, native from vendor teams app. I don't think you can do Office365 natively on Linux. I'm not sure. I just don't think so. Or at least not easily. Okay, so make your video editor like at least. Fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

They've retired the official native teams app for Linux in late 2022, according to AI Overview.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes, you have this like other one and it has a bunch of issues and it is what it is. I appreciate that somebody made one at all. But like it's far from perfect.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Okay. This is also on Q and A on Microsoft.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It might be far from perfect because they haven't really had that much time because it. That happened not that long ago. But it's just like there's all these things where, like if the. If the. I never hear those types of complaints from Apple people. I hear other complaints, but I don't hear those types of complaints. Windows is so obsessed with constantly stopping you from doing the thing that you want to do.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pugboy 13:21 says I miss when Windows let us set another media player as the default for every format. Now I have to do it per file type.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, the change in the defaults is so annoying now. Like, it's just another, like, why?

[Linus Sebastian]

And the. Oh man. The one that really kills me is that wizard that comes up like every. I don't know, every three months, every six months. You know the one I'm talking about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Where it looks like you formatted your.

[Linus Sebastian]

Computer, it makes you go through the UBI again.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And like dark patterns the crap out of you trying to get you to change to edge intensely.

[Dan Besser]

Luke, yours did that when I turned it on this morning.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not surprised. Happens every once in a while.

[Linus Sebastian]

Freaking annoying.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do that. Yeah, it's like there's so many things that it's like never under any circumstance do that. And then it's just everything on Windows it's like, whoa. But then stopping doing that doesn't seem that hard. Which I'm like, I don't know, maybe if like the right person gets in the right position, they can fix it. It is definitely not unfixable. I just don't believe it's going to happen anymore because it's been so long of just constantly trending in this direction.

[Linus Sebastian]

D Doc says you can turn that off and that's cool. I actually didn't know that because from my understanding it happens when you apply Major Update. So I just assumed that it was re enabling itself. So I didn't know that. That's good to know. But also I shouldn't have to. That should just not happen even once. Or if they must do it. A confirmation screen. Here's the way everything was set up because I mean, nowadays they still roll out. They, they roll out things that would have been a Surface Pack or Surface Pack, a service pack or that would have been like, like a, like a major update as just part of like, you know, last Windows you'll ever need. Whatever. Like they really do do major updates. That would have previously been another version of Windows or they would have been a service pack or something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I could see.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know about another version of Windows, but definitely Service Pack every once.

[Linus Sebastian]

In a while if they were to do something like that. I mean Windows 10 changed a friggin lot from day one to sunset. Like a lot under the hood. I don't, I don't know. I leave that that's why.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But it's the fact that it was mostly under the hood is why I don't see another version of.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure, yeah, you know what, that's fair.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But I also think you're right.

[Linus Sebastian]

But either way, if every once in a while they did a major one and they were like, yeah, this is basically like you know, being on a new Windows and they were like, hey, here's how you had everything set up before. You still good with this? If I had to click one button. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's also genuinely like confusing for a lot of people and they think their computer just like reset.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh dude, my kids accidentally update our media. Updated our media PC to Windows 11 because of one of those prompts.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Exactly. It's weird. It's very unnatural. It feels like something is wrong with your computer.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was a different one. It was the Upgrade to Windows 11 prompt. But I think you get what I mean. Just like these full screen take over your whole computer. Dark patterned like crazy. Definitely click the blue button. Like I came and I was like, oh my God, we have no WI FI drivers. Why do, why do we have no WI fi? Why are we running Windows 11? Everything on this machine was working perfectly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Have a window pop up, make it full screen if you want, but leave your Start menu so you can tell that the computer booted properly. Have like those, whatever they're called. There's emojis for them where like the streamers pop out, the party streamers pop out and there's like a Canon thing, whatever. Have those in the corner. Have them like actually go off and animate like whoa, you got a big Upgrade to Windows 11. Hooray. There's. Here's some cool things. Do you still want your settings to be the same? This is what they were like. Now I'm like, oh sick. This thing that I bought Just got better instead of incredibly annoyed, like it's. This is what I mean. The gap is not that hard to jump, but I don't trust they'll do it because they haven't done it in a decade.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which is too long. So I. I don't know, I.

[Linus Sebastian]

You heard it here first. We finally found what's too long for Luke. I just. I never thought it was gonna happen, but it finally came.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If they give me a little bit of hope, I can keep. Yeah, if they give me a little hope, I can keep going. They just gotta. Just gotta tease it a little bit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Oh, God. Anyway.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I just hear Dan dying.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dan guide us. Guide us back to the past.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So either. Either they figure it out, which I don't think they will, or I hope it dies and Linux gets easier to use for more people. The community grows and things keep getting better.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why not both?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm down with both. It's not going to happen.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm totally down with both though. Dude, I am actually just kind of like normally like Windows. I just don't anymore. Windows is fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm so excited for my Steam Machine. Do you know about my Steam Machine?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not at all.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you remember the very low number of Steam.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, I remember seeing all of them on one table at ces built by Valve.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no, no, not the, like oem, like stupid Alienware ones or whatever. Do you remember the Valve Steam Machine? The like, reference?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I remember it. I don't think I got to see that in person. I just saw the. The vendor ones.

[Linus Sebastian]

Steam Machine.

[Dan Besser]

Here we go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Images. I'm talking about this one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah. No, I remember it for sure. I just haven't seen it in person.

[Linus Sebastian]

I got one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You got one that's actually cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

I never got one back then. I wasn't cool enough or important enough.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Does it like boot into an environment?

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean. Oh, I don't know. I don't think the storage is still in it or anything. I can go get it. You want to see it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. All right. Stall the people.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do a sponsor. Do a sponsor spot. I always have to do it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure, no problem. Can I just do all of them?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, sure. Are you ready, Dan?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan Besser]

That's the first time I've ever been.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Asked you, are you ready for Vessi? Do you want to do that first?

[Dan Besser]

Yeah, you just do them in or. Normally people just start.

[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Linus Sebastian]

I'm back.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's see it. Okay, those are some old ports.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, hold on, I'm peeking. I don't have pants on down here. Hands to yourself.

[Dan Besser]

I'm gonna make. Not a joke. That is actually way bigger than I was expecting it to be. I don't know how to make that not sexual.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, it's gonna be.

[Dan Besser]

But I thought it was like Nvidia shield size.

[Linus Sebastian]

So it's got like. It's got like a brushed.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is handmade, isn't it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Plastic front. Unfortunately it's been through some hard times so this little spot on the front is dented I'm afraid. All ventilation down this side.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The ports, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

All ventilation down this side, I believe.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Look at the top too.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. Tons of ventilation. It was a different time. And these vent holes are for. You can actually see here for the CPU socket or for the CPU area.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All those ports on the gpu, they're.

[Linus Sebastian]

Above the socket, which means that the GPU is actually kinda gonna starve for airflow. So I think there's gonna be some necessary modifications in order to put a more.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't remember that card having a.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yellow modern system here. Zotac probably would be my guess. And then, yeah, to Luke's point, the back, this must be the original hardware that was in it. I, I actually don't know that for sure. But it's, it's, it's gotta be. And then my understanding is that this is not like damage that happened at some point. I think this was how they marked the serial of which one it was. So there's, there's 300 holes here. And did. How many units did they make? Did they make 300 units? I actually, I actually don't know how many they made.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Jean Luc in floatplane chat said, careful, the drilled hole tells valve which serial number you have.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Were you supposed to show that?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I. Valve didn't send it to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right. But did the person who sent it to you, could they.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it ended up in like a junk shop or something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I mean, dude, this was, it was a very. For Valve to still be mad about a system they sent out 12 years ago, I think is probably pretty unlikely.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, you never know. There's an angle on there that looks rough.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Also, should we try to open it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think we should open it. Oh, okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That just started going. That was not that bad.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, so there's the top looks a little.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey, you were right about the brand.

[Linus Sebastian]

Something like that. The witch.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Now this is otac.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. And then, yeah, here's the internals. So it's, it's actually a really thoughtfully laid out case. Uses PCI like a hard PCIe riser. So it, so it orients the car.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is really solid actually.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, no, it's. No, it's pretty cool. So you have a hard riser coming out of here. Your, your card goes in right here. Your, your intake is like. Oh my God. What were they, what were they thinking here? Because this side is vented. Right. So theoretically you're getting some air here, but absolutely nothing here. But they're using a blower style cooler so that at least it's taking that hot air and it's getting rid of it out the back of the system. But it doesn't really have an intake fan. Right. Because your power supply, that'll draw air in that. So remember this was the side that had the vents on the top. Right. So that'll draw air in and then.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The GPU doesn't blow it out and.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, no, the case doesn't have an air intake.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, the general case.

[Linus Sebastian]

This. Well.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, wow.

[Dan Besser]

That.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is loose.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so this will draw some air in, but you can see it's all. It's all shrouded.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Ooh, the fish.

[Linus Sebastian]

So it'll come right out here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So the fins on the cpu.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, I got a little bit. I got a little mangled there. So. So both of these are drawing air in, but they're also exhausting it directly out. So it's really hard to hold stuff up when I'm here. It doesn't matter. So the case itself doesn't have a single intake that provides any fresh air to this gpu. Like, there's, there's. So it's negative air pressure because these are both in their own isolated airflow zones. And then this one has a fan here. Right. That is exhausting, but it has. There's no equivalent air intake for the exhaust that is. That is blowing out. It's got a spot for a 2 1/2 inch SSD here. But pretty much the idea, what I've been waiting for for three and a half years is for Valve to follow through on the commitment they made when they launched the Steam Deck three and a half years ago to create SteamOS for desktop.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are you going to upgrade that machine and then install it on there? That's sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then this will be. This will be my living room console.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's fantastic. Could I ask.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, you can't have it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. How much was it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I don't actually know. I know. I think. I think we like found it in a. In like a junk pile.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, no way.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, like. Like it ended up at like a free geek equivalent or something and I think someone offered to send it to us or something like that. I'm pretty sure we didn't pay for it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

So in terms of like, you know, buying stolen goods or whatever. No, we didn't, like, we didn't go looking for someone's coveted intellectual property or anything like that. I mean, I'd be curious to know if there's any. If there's any out there. So, Val Valve, Steam Machine. So they only sent this out to like, gaming Press, I think. Oh yeah, eBay. EBay has got nothing. They've got literal actual like Steam machines. So sorry, you won't be. You won't be finding one of those.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There claim that is your upgrade. You have the right. No, I don't think so. Unfortunately, that's not how the terms work. It's freaking cool though.

[Linus Sebastian]

I. Oh, is that a fan? No, it's not. Nope. It's just a little shroud.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean it's already pre made.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And you're replacing all the hardware. It's probably fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I'm.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude, I'm refinished the case at all, so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are you gonna leave some.

[Linus Sebastian]

That. That is a hard question. That's a tough one. Because the wanting a beautiful system in me would be like. Yeah, you know what I really want to do is I want to do like. I want to do a cool color scheme. I wanna. I wanna pull out this internal mesh and then I want to paint that like an accent color and that'd be super cool. And then I want to do this top like a whatever. And then I want to do like a hand painted, you know, third color here. Like, like, like a cool, like red or a gold or like a cyan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something cool like that cyan would look sick actually. Right. Like I just. I wanted. But then it feels wrong, right? Yeah. Does it feel a little wrong?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm unsure, but I. I think making significant changes. Yes. But what if you like, cleaned up some of the dings?

[Linus Sebastian]

You wouldn't be able to do that though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is like painting it.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is anodized aluminum.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you would have to. You'd have to. You'd have to strip the anodization, which from my understanding makes me sad actually, is un. Is un.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You're not restoring at that point. You're kind of modifying. What if you painted it the same?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it's. It can be challenging. Removing anodization can be quite challenging.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Got it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Someone said you have a CNC machine make a new hood, but that's not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. Yeah. You don't want to make a new hood. It has to be the same one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, for sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's. That's for sure, man.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'd want to do like a super cool color scheme though. Like a baby blue and yellow or something for like. What if you have like, like, like a really out there color scheme.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You have to.

[Linus Sebastian]

It is a wrap.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You have to. Oh, you have two TVs. You have the upstairs and downstairs. What if you did. What if you Recreated this and made it cool in the way that you would want. And also had the og what if you had to.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, I'll just have to brace myself for all of the. Remember when Linus tech tips was relatable comments, but other than that, I guess I don't see a downside.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It would be those comments are going to show up anyways.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's a lot of aspects of this that would be pretty untrivial to recreate. Like we basically have to. You could 3D print a lot of it, but like. Yeah, nervous. I. I'm not going to commit to that. I'm definitely. Yeah, not going to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I wouldn't do right now either. It's just potentially an option. That's sick though. Does it. Does the ring around the power button light up? It looks like it did in the picture.

[Linus Sebastian]

I believe it does, but I don't think I've ever tried to power this one up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You should. We should. We should do it right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

You want to do it right now?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's do it right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, do you have a C13? We can try. I have no idea, man. Daniel Besser. I. I think Luke would like us to obtain a C13 power cable. He's on it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dan will have a way, I'm sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Man, I wish the dings weren't in the front. Yeah, all the dings are in the front. Like the back is okay. No, there's some pretty big things in the back. Okay. The dings are everywhere. Dude, I'm so excited. It's so compact. It's so console. Like, if Valve had just ponied up and they had done the same thing they did with the Steam deck, where they subsidized the hardware, I think we would have. I think we'd have a Steam, like desktop console.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, like 100 freaking.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, the software wasn't ready yet, though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's true.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was so far off.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They waited for the right time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ultimately letting. Letting them cook for longer was. Was also good. It was a good thing. Thank you, Mr. Daniel.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can we. Can we. Can we display. It is hdmi, right? Do you wanna.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I mean, yeah, I guess.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Mine.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Dan Besser]

Damn it.

[Linus Sebastian]

No. What a dick.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did the stream. That was good. That was good. That was good. That was good. Okay. There you go. That was very good. Usb.

[Linus Sebastian]

Does it make your mother uncomfortable that we talk about your penis so much on this show?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Probably.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, she's seen it a thousand times. I guess it doesn't really matter.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not in Like a weird way, you know, in, like, all over himself, you know, I was.

[Dan Besser]

I was gonna say yours too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, let's try to turn it on.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah. Good luck. There's no chick.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Yeah. The proximity to discussing people's parents and making seduction jokes is too close, Dan. Yeah, too close.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What's. What's going on here?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I don't know. I pressed what I think is the power button and nothing happened. Sir. The banner, Dan, the banner.

[Dan Besser]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh. Oh, yeah. No, they can't.

[Dan Besser]

I'm working on it.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's not a whole lot to see that isn't happening.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was a very nimble and good save.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thank you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do we try to bypass the front panel headers?

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, yeah, we could. I mean, how much troubleshooting do you want to do on the WAN show?

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's probably the best and most interesting part of the WAN show so far.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm not even.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think you might just be a bit of a Val fanboy and a little bit extra excited. Right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

The 30% is a lot. Okay. The 30% is a large amount.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, it's like. It's like buried in there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Studios video has info for us. I'm not gonna be able to, like, watch that right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is this power supply on outlet work? Oh, I don't know. I suspect the system is broken. You guys, I really don't recap.

[Luke Lafreniere]

First, I also have to say, of course, bring his. Studios has a video on this.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's no power switch on the power supply, so. Yeah, I, I. Guys, I think. I think he's dead. I think he's dead, Jim. I think that the best course of action is for us to put new hardware in it and make us sick.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Anyways, we don't have to, but.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry, what do you want me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You could bypass the pass through and plug directly into the power and. And you could try to bridge the header just.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can't reach it. Look, it's. The motherboard's completely covered, brother.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, we could. We. I'm sure you have an lttstore.com screwdriver readily accessible at all periods of in time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, I do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can't tell me a few little screws are going to defeat the great line of Sebastian.

[Dan Besser]

Do you want me to troubleshoot it back here?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do that. We could continue the show and Dan could solve the troubleshooting things.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God, you guys. I could just call Jordan, who is the writer for this project, and be like, hey, have you tested the system? Does it work? That would probably be Easier. Okay. No, it is not that. That is not the problem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, cool. One problem down.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's good. It's good.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're killing me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We don't have to do it, but it's just. It's very interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

For something we don't have to do, you're sure putting an awful lot of pressure to do it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do we really have to do anything?

[Linus Sebastian]

What does that even mean?

[Luke Lafreniere]

That means that we should do this.

[Linus Sebastian]

Fine. We can. We can go as far as bridging the power switch on the motherboard.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are we passing it to Dan and just.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dan's gonna have to do it because we're gonna have to do the WAN.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Show at some point. Yeah, that's fine.

[Dan Besser]

All right, Dan, come.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm coming.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, here. It's going the wrong way. I got it. Oh, knocked my mic twice there. Sorry, people. Okay, now Dan can't even do his job, which is about to get more difficult because we're about to talk about the creator warehouse stuff. This week we have an exclusive floatplane drop on lttstore.com. if you're a floatplane subscriber, you already know that it's been Sarah week, featuring content centering around our designer, Sarah. Just today we released her trip to Dinosaur Town, AKA Drumheller, where she visited the Royal Tyrell Museum. I point of clarification on that. Did LMG actually pay for her and Sammy to go to Drumheller as.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

How does it. How did that work? So that was the video budget. It's it. So it seems to me. So here it is. Where was the thing with the. Okay. Oh, yeah, it was in the trailer. So, yeah, they just went to a dinosaur museum. All right. Anywho, getting inspiration from the trip, she designed the designosaur T shirt exclusive to our float goats. It's a retro rendition of a gorgosaur fossil designed by the one and only Sarah Butt. It's available only while supplies last at LMG GG Dinosaur. So you can make sure you subscribe over there and check it out. Ouch. Here it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, this museum is huge.

[Linus Sebastian]

Design a sore T shirt. Also photo shoot with jungle. This is great. Oh, my God, Jamie. How is this guy?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude, I saw this photo earlier. He looks so good in this. Seriously, it's fantastic. Seriously, dude, the fit is perfect.

[Linus Sebastian]

Amazing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Good trigger control.

[Linus Sebastian]

Look at this. Look at this. Quality, quality photo.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Incredible.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know, never explore the prehistoric jungle without your Apple watch. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Why would you Indeed. But that's not all. We're also offering everybody a chance to save this weekend with 10% off all digital gift cards. So essentially, you can get 10% off pretty much everything on the store. Grab one today at LMG GG gift card page NOT FOUND. Hold on a second. Is that. Is that not real? Luke, Is that. Are you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It worked for me.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so here's the US site. Select denomination. And what happens if I add it to cart? Uh huh. Okay. It is discounted by $10.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, this is gonna be a problem.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is it for us? Why?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because you can send a merch message by buying $100 for $90.

[Linus Sebastian]

See, I knew we were gonna do a gift card discount promo. I didn't think we were gonna do it now before Black Friday. Hold on a second. This may go away. One moment please. I need to make a call.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You should. You probably should have said that. I didn't even think about that at all. When's Black Friday?

[Linus Sebastian]

Not yet. I need to make a really quick call here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, it's not for a while.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's not the point. The point is that Black Friday will already be discounted.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey, look, the only good thing about teams.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

The song?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, but that's just from Skype. They just remixed Skype. Okay, he's not picking up. Hathos asks Linus, can you use a gift card to buy a gift card? If I have. If I buy a hundred dollar gift card for $90, then use that hundred dollar gift card to buy another hundred dollar gift card for $90.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did you guys think about that?

[Linus Sebastian]

How would you do that? Hold on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How would you not do that?

[Linus Sebastian]

I use that to buy another. No, I don't think you can do that. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Did you want to do a topic really quick?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just need to find out what's going on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can I just do the other two sponsors? Dan?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no, no, no. We should do some topics.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Do you have any that I could do?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, we should do a couple merge messages.

[Dan Besser]

Not directly for you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If there's general ones, I can do those. Or I can talk about.

[Linus Sebastian]

We should explain merch messages. So the way to send a merch message is to add something to your cart on lttstore.com. once you add something to your cart, say for example. Okay, so once you add something to your cart, say for example, one of our new T shirt colors. Available in long sleeve and short sleeve and available in regular and tall lengths. That's right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's go.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you could get a tall medium shirt. My God, is this Ever a lot of SKUs. Imagine it all. Imagine all of these colors in different lengths, in different sizes and imagine why some of them are out of stock. Yeah, it totally makes sense if you think about it. Anyway, the point is you add that to your cart and you'll see the interface for merch messages. You can either make it anonymous or you can show your first name and last initial. You can leave a merch message for the show. It'll go to producer Dan who is working on a computer and also will reply to your merch message.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We do both.

[Linus Sebastian]

We think merch messages are great because instead of just throwing money at your screen, we don't, we don't really want your donations. We would much rather that you just, you know, get some high quality merchandise in the mail if you, if you want to support the show. So lttstore.com go send a merch message. Right, Right. Dan's gonna have us reply to it. A couple merch messages. That's what happens when he curates them. This was the most disjointed merch message thing ever. I really want to know what's going on with this gift card promo.

[Dan Besser]

Make another call. I have one here for Luke.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So.

[Dan Besser]

Hi, lld Luke. Did you get a chance to tour any ESA facilities in Germany? They held their open days roughly at the same time as ifa.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I had no idea that was a thing. I had no idea they even ever did that, let alone that it happened while I was there. That would have been sick. I would have a thousand percent did that, done that. ESA is the European Space Agency. Just in case people did not know. Oh no.

[Dan Besser]

Oh no.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just leave it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Anyways, separate thing. But yeah, no, that's, that's, that's really cool. I like that they do open days. It was really fun. I don't think it got a crazy amount of views. I don't know if it was the title or something, but you guys should go watch a Linus video to do. Did it end up doing better? Did I just bad talk it for no reason? I did, but you should go watch it anyways because it deserves even more views. The Canada's Las Vegas sphere is here and I game on it. Video is awesome. There's a. There's a place up here called the HR MacMillan Space center or something. But there's a thing that they call the planetarium in there which is this really, really cool theater. And like basically everyone that lives here when they were a kid went to go see things on the planetarium and remembers that experience because it's just awesome. And they're doing an upgrade to it. That looks amazing. And Linus got some really cool behind the scenes access to the hardware and how they're doing it and some of the history of that place because it's like genuinely really interesting and they play a game on it. And even just the act of playing the game on it is. Is really interesting because of how they have to like kind of warp it to make it work on that screen and the screen having holes in it so it's. You can hear acoustics through the screen and yada yada, yada, yada yada. It's a very interesting video space stuff is cool. I don't really have anything else to say. I wish I knew that ESA thing. I will keep that in mind in the future. But yeah, yeah. So someone in chat Cam Stabro said, I have very positive memories of HR McMillan. Everyone I know that's been there when they were a kid has very positive memories of HR macmillan.

[Linus Sebastian]

I cannot reach Dave. This is my fault. He messaged me before the show today at yesterday. Sounds good. We are testing a 10% gift card promotion this weekend to see how it goes. I had a full day and five and a half hours to say oh my God, no, not before Black Friday. What are you changing, Dan? Leave it till midnight. Anyone who watches live or watches the VOD immediately. My loss is your gain. If you buy gift cards with gift cards, we will cancel the whole thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's why I was just gonna message you.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. We good? Do we have an Accord? Please buy something profitable with it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cuz you. You could absolutely go from the cheapest gift card to the most expensive one. I know multiples of the most expensive one.

[Linus Sebastian]

But if you do that, we will cancel your order. So there's really no point doing that. Whereas if you do this now in good faith and order one gift card for with the discount, then we will leave it alone. We will honor it. Even though I think the timing for.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is you just know there was not optimal. Some person sitting at their computer, infinite money glitching gift cards that just went. Oh, some person probably a bunch.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. But guys like come on. Yeah, yeah. Wild4com5 said what's profitable? I will show you. I will show you how to tell. So okay, if something has a little discount, little nice discount, probably profitable. If something has a. Let's see. Do we still have the. Oh yeah, no, the, the like the like Uber clearance stuff is gone. So if something has like an uber clearance, like 50 plus discount, 40 discount on it, probably. It's a loss leader. That's generally the way to tell. So just yet. Do me a solid. If you must have it before Black Friday. Just don't. Just load up on lost leaders. If you could just find something, something else as well, that would be swell.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So it sounds like they do block it. Dan. From. From what people in Full Chat are saying is you can't buy just a gift card with just a gift card.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah, that wouldn't make any sense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can split the transaction. You could buy just the gift card with a gift card and some money.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay, don't do that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's. That's the gist that I'm getting.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Okay, cool. Okay, cool. Good chat style.451 says so the gift cards are profitable with their teeny tiny 10 discount. Not. Not how that works. Yeah, okay. Oh my God. Oh my God. There's 42 merge messages in the queue. We have made a terrible mistake. How you doing, Dan?

[Dan Besser]

What have you done?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Technically, it wasn't him. Yeah, usually it is and I'm down with that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But this time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, man. Okay, let's just do a topic. Why don't we do a topic? Let's pick some good news. See, South Korean government loses a bunch of money in a fire. Or data in a fire. Oh, no. Logitech bricks its pop Smart home buttons. No, no. Qualcomm acquires Arduino. No, no. Ford is locking basic navigation behind a subscription. No. Oh, Synology.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hey, this isn't someone that I was expecting to give good news on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

But on October 8, Synology announced DSM 7.3 along with expanded storage flexibility, which.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Less storage flexibility is what that means.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it means temporarily, for a short period of time, they had reduced storage flexibility and they are back to status quo. They have walked back the unpopular change that restricted the use of third party hard drives that they made earlier this year. Literally, it didn't even last for a year. Synology stated in their announcement this provides users greater flexibility while Synology continues to expand the lineup of officially verified drives that meet long term reliability standards. By the way, full disclosure, I am invested in Eshtech, the makers of Hexos, who are making an operating system that I hope will make Synology completely obsolete someday. So far they're not there yet, but they do have some big news today. So it's actually kind of convenient that Synology or like gave us a reason to talk about them today.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Add closure, not disclosure. Am I right, audience?

[Linus Sebastian]

What Ad closure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You said full disclosure. I'm invested in Hexos also. They're amazing. Look at all these cool features. That sounds like an ad closure, not a disclosure.

[Linus Sebastian]

You want to hear something? Deal with it.

[Dan Besser]

No?

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. I don't know, dude. John, Texas.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm not invested in either of these companies. And what Synology did sucked. And calling it expanded storage flexibility is also just complete BS and makes me even not more upset than the original status. But I am now still displeased.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Oh man. Dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I have a Synology device at home.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, what is going on?

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I click the blog, aiming to not use it in the future, thinking.

[Linus Sebastian]

I would find the update. But it's not in the blog. It's apparently in Docs. What? What did. Okay, docs. Docs.hexos.com blog do you have two blogs?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey, that's illegal. Everyone gets issued one blog.

[Linus Sebastian]

They have two blogs. Don't do that. Just. Okay, doesn't matter. The point is, by enabling experimental features and settings preferences, you can now access the custom script option for app installs. This is one of the big features that I think is going to really set Hexos apart, is easy installation of curated apps. From there, you can tweak existing install scripts, create entirely new ones and share them with the community or submit them to the official Hexos curation templates. This is pretty cool. They also launched their official documentation site a centralized resources to bring together getting started, guides, feature documentation, troubleshooting help, et cetera. First Flight improvements. This was actually based on Robert Robert Oaks, who's one of our editors. We did his AMD ultimate tech upgrade very recently. I think it's coming, going up in the next few days. And I ran into some issues with the First Flight, the sort of setup wizard. And I was like, hey, can you fix that? And they did. Pretty neat folder wizard, much like manual pool creation, etc. Etc. Etc. Looking ahead. Okay, this is a big deal because one of the big criticisms of Hexos back when they first announced it was, hey, why do I need an account? And why do I need to access the control dashboard for a NAS for my NAS with my hard drives with my data on them through a cloud interface. And the Hexos team heard that feedback and said, hey, before we go out of beta, we will have a local ui. There are reasons that we had to do it this way first, but before we go out of beta, we will have a local ui and it's coming. The command deck remains our primary interface for Initial setup and for remote access. But the local UI ensures you'll have access to the Hexos interface for system management, even during command deck maintenance. Windows. This is a core component of our 1.0 release, so they're getting that going. John also asked me so very nicely, so this is the only reason that I'm going to. Oh, but got him. Well, whatever. They're hiring. They're apparently hiring, and I can't click this topic, so get wrecked, John. That's what happens. No, that's what happens. You ask me to shout something out, and you have a permissions issue. You get nothing. That's how it works. Sorry, John. All right, what else are we supposed to be talking about? Okay, let's talk about Logitech Brick in these Pop Smart home buttons. I freaking hate this stuff. And this is why it was so important to the community that, you know, Hexos not just be like, yeah, no, you know, yeah, someday we'll. We'll have a local access, because it's not okay. And they get it. They 100% get it now. But this is why people were butthurt about it, because anything that relies on a cloud service doesn't belong to you appropriately butthurt. Logitech is emailing POP smart home users to inform them that as of October 15th, five days from now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yikes.

[Linus Sebastian]

All Logitech Pop buttons and their associated hubs will lose all functionality. I don't think so. Okay. Okay. Logitech emailed users on September 29, announcing the shutdown, giving users less than three weeks to do anything about it. As compensation, Logitech is offering a 15% discount coupon for select Logitech products in the U.S. can you think they're. They're.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Handyman just linked their. Their Doc site has the cruise thing, and you could read it.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I won't. They get nothing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's pretty good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Can you think of a more insulting solution? Remember, we just talked about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, it's trash.

[Linus Sebastian]

We just talked about how much of a discount. Right. Is probably still profitable. Do you remember that conversation? So they are offering you an opportunity for them to profit on a new purchase after they just f ed you. What is this? Select Products. You're not even gonna let me buy any product I want? And why is it only in the US select products.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I didn't actually realize the Select. Yeah, if it's not profitable at 15% off.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, what even is this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can't buy that one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, a 15% discount is not an apology. That's like a. That That's a, that's a retention marketing strategy. That, that's like. That's a mailing, mail out coupon. This is wild. The POP system was launched in August 2016 to allow users to trigger smart home actions. Philips, Hue, Sonos, etc. With a starter kit priced at $100 and individual add on buttons at $40. Our discussion question is how do you think Logitech could have better handled this situation and what do you think is an appropriate end of life cycle for a piece of technology? Well, yeah, they could have handled this better and the proper way to handle this is to open source it. That's the only proper way to handle it at this point.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And if you don't want to, because you're still using that stuff, maintain it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Do you want to pick one? Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Ford. Do we do Ford? No. I'm going to scroll up. There's stuff up here. Right. Discussion on settlements. You want to do that?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, we could do that.

[Dan Besser]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Discussion on settlements. This week on the LTT Reddit, a fan posted a story about how they received $1 of credit for a parking app that had data leak back in 2021. In total, the attorneys for the case were paid $6.2 million. Seven class reps received 5K each and the rest of the $31 million was paid out in $1 credits to the customers. But wait, there's more. The credit is actually 25 cents. That has to be used four times across four purchases. The notice of this compensation also came with notes about data security improvements, but ultimately stated that the company, Park Mobile, was never found liable for anything. Rather, the settlement was reached to allow the company to continue focusing on providing excellent service for its customers. If people don't claim credits from or. Or money or whatever it is from. From class action suits, what. What happens to the money?

[Linus Sebastian]

I'll be honest with you, I don't know. I assume the lawyers figure that out. So I assume the lawyers helpful to the lawyers. I literally do not know that though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not legal advice. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Unbelievable. Is it even worth the company to give out $1 to its customers? What's the point if they claim they aren't liable?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, the point is that the lawyers get paid, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

What's the point to the company though if the company saying that they're not liable, they just want the suit to end because they were spending so much money on legal.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, just. It just ends it. So that, I mean that's the point of any legal settlement is you either get so sick of Litigating it and everyone's tired of it, so you just reach a settlement or. Oh. Wanting to avoid a legal precedent is another reason that companies will often try to settle. Because if it goes to full trial, then now it's legal precedent. So now it could impact future cases, whereas a settlement can't. You might settle and part of your condition for settling might be no admission of wrongdoing. Whereas if you don't settle and again it goes to a full trial, then you will have to admit wrongdoing. So there's. There's a lot of different reasons that you might want to settle for sure. If you think it's going to end up costing you even more, then you might want to settle. So there's at least like four reasons.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's interesting that it's a credit for their own service and I'm assuming that they make more than 25 cents per transaction.

[Linus Sebastian]

I would think so on parking.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So again, it's just a profitable discount. It's not.

[Linus Sebastian]

The fact that they make you spread a $1 credit across four across four purchases is. Is all the proof in the world that you could possibly need that the lawyers negotiating this on behalf of the people whose, whose data was breached. Right. Do not care about any kind of. Of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Data breach stuff. Like this is really interesting though because like this genuinely happens all the time and most of them don't go to class actions. So that's.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What does that even mean? Like, I used to check. Have I been pwned, like all the time? Not to like check my email to see if I got pwned.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But just to see what's going on. And I like almost don't even bother anymore because it's just constant.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, look at these stats, dude. 15.11 billion poned accounts.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sheesh. I sort by breach date. There we go. Look at all those from 2025. Look at this scrollable list from 2025. Like this stuff is just all of the way does it. Like when does it. There we go. It stops there. Finally.

[Linus Sebastian]

Floatplane chats. Having a field day with this. Donut 7:11 says I got charged a 35 cent transaction fee in this app on free parking the other day also. This is great. Mavsguy842 says the lawyer should get paid an app credit too. Yeah, they should have gotten $6.2 million in parking credit. Right? Like, if it's good enough, if it's good enough for the people whose data was stolen, why isn't it good enough for the lawyers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I understand the lawyers got to make money in these situations. 6.2 million is crazy. But then also, like, how many of them were there and how long did they work it and stuff like that. Because this said it happened back in 2021. Right. So, like, I don't know. But then the payout is just so lame.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And I get that stuff like this is supposed to be punitive. Right. But hold on a second. Because they only actually paid whatever, 6.2 million plus another $35,000. The rest of the 31 million was in $1 credits that have to be used over four times parking. So that was that. I also have, I guarantee you their margin on those. So, so what does that. What does that work out to? So 31 million dollar times four. So we're talking about 124 million parking instances at 25 cents discount each. They're going to make more than 6.2 million dollars if people actually redeem the 31 million. So it's free real estate.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it really is. I really wonder what percentage of class action payouts are actually redeemed. I suspect it's surprisingly low because most of the time it's. There's such low payouts.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, this is a comically low one. I wouldn't bother for a dollar.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Exactly. So, like, what insane percentage of this.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, here. Actually, this is kind of an interesting conversation. I'd love for you guys to kind of participate in this too. Give me your line. Okay. It's a dollar. Okay. So whether. Whether it's an American, you know, bill or it's a Canadian coin. You know what? Let's assume it's an American bill. It's an American dollar. Okay. Let's start with an easy one. It's stuck to the bottom of your shoe. Do you pick it up?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Of course. You put it in your wallet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. It is. It is. You are walking down the sidewalk. Yep. And it is on the grass to the side of the sidewalk.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. For sure. Okay. It is laying over. Actually. No, here's an easier one. It's in a tree.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And you have to pull yourself up a branch in order to reach it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Definitely.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. It's on a storm drain kind of hanging over one of the. One of the grates. And it's wet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. It is on the floor of a bathroom.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's American.

[Linus Sebastian]

Escalated quickly. It's an American $140 cloth, aren't they? It's a $40.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The Canadian ones are plastic.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're cotton Baby.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So they're cotton.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're cotton, baby. So I want you guys, I want you guys, I want you guys participating. I want you guys participating.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I will leave the feces dollar.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, what if it's just a urine dollar?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I would leave the urine dollar. It's cut. It's a cotton bill.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's say it's not. Okay, hold on. We're going to find his line. We're going to find his line. We're gonna find his line. It's not near the urinal. Okay, it's by the. It's by the door. It's by the door.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have seen what people do to bathrooms, brother.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, forget the bathroom. Forget the bathroom. Okay, okay, it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm leaving that one the heck alone.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. It's on the floor of a commercial kitchen near where they cook. Man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It varies like a lot depending on the kitchen.

[Linus Sebastian]

Church's chicken.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I'll leave that one alone.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, okay, hold on, hold on. Let me, let me try to think. I want to try and nail this down because the bathroom really did feel like a big escalation.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The bathroom is a pretty big.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was kind of hoping. Oh, okay. Okay, here's one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Kitchen. Have you guys worked in commercial kitchens? There's a reason why they have so many rats.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyways, okay, it's not a public bathroom now. It's the bathroom at your parents house.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so that's fine. So that's the line then.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's an enormous gap between most people's home bathrooms, let alone my parents and a public bathroom.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I had some bad experiences on some recent trips.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Oh, here's an interesting one. Okay, so back to the one that was on the grass. And there's a dog turd near it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Near it, near it.

[Dan Besser]

Near.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it's windy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's still probably fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you don't know for sure that it didn't touch the dog tur.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's probably okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's downwind of the dog turd, but not by much.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Still probably okay if there's no visible mark.

[Linus Sebastian]

So do you, do you check it before you pick it up?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but like as I'm walking up to it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, okay, so you intend to pick it up and you're gonna look for a skid mark on your doll.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, okay, there's a skid mark. That thing ain't moving.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, got it, got it, got it, got it. Okay, I think, I think we've found your line. Basically, as long as it's clean.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was expecting you to do more on the, like, having to do work to get to it. Well, I was just gonna keep saying.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I kind of figured I wasn't getting anywhere with that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It just makes it a game. And then, and then it's fun. It's not even about the dollar anymore. It's just. Okay, there's a goal. Can I accomplish goal?

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's the. So that, that, so that whatever. When it gets to like, is this dollar a health risk? It's like, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. How about this, though? So you are in a hurry.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're. You are. You're in enough of a hurry that you are. That you are jogging.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's on the other side of the street. There's no cars.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

You'Re going this way and that way. You're, you're, you're going to, you're going to go to the next intersection. You're going to go right. It's on the left side of the street.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's. There are hurries that are not that big of a hurry that I will jog for, so it still kind of depends.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're on your trip to your last trip to Germany.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I don't get it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so there's the line. Anything to do with human or animal waste.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is a no go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. And there are definitely kitchens. There are definitely commercial kitchens where I would pick it up off the ground.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There are also very disgusting commercial kitchens.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then, and then out of the way is fine. As long as I was already playing Pokemon Go. Anyway.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. The point is to walk, so. Yeah, sure, whatever. I don't care.

[Linus Sebastian]

Got it. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I have done things where, like, there is an incredibly minor gain for this, like, incredibly long amount of walking that I could do. And I'll just be like, yeah, sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, man. Trick Killa here says when I was a teenager, we used to put dollar bills in the horse manure at the Minnesota State Fair and then watch to see who picks it up. Absolutely deranged. That is sociopathic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is just classic teenager activities.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, look like this is coming from someone who literally had like horse turdy fights in the riding ring with my siblings. So, like, whatever. Like, I'm not, I'm not judging. I mean, that's the thing. If one person.

[Luke Lafreniere]

More accurate teenager activity.

[Linus Sebastian]

If one person. Person throws one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Throw back.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, it's good. And to be clear, I'm talking like the dried out. The dried out ones, which is very different from it really is the fresh ones. It really is very different. Luca103 says. I'm sorry, what? Tell me that you never lived on a farm without telling me you never lived on a farm. Poop. Poop made of grass is not that gross. It doesn't smell that bad. It doesn't. Like, like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, they also do actually really turn into throwable balls.

[Linus Sebastian]

They really do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, it's.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, they really do. It's. Austin Blitz says it's poop, though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You get a little desensitized to it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. You shovel enough of it. Like, literally, I probably have shoveled thousands of pounds of horse poo. It's like. Yeah. What? Yeah, it's poop part of life, you know, and, like, the difference between vegetarian animal poop and, like, carnivore animal poop. A whole world, Whole world of difference. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe that's the kind of thing I shouldn't admit, but I, I, I'm in my, I'm in my zero given phase.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Should have meant what?

[Linus Sebastian]

That had a poop fight?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

I, I don't know. I think it's great someone's gonna find a way to turn it into something. I mean, there, there's, you know, there's always. There's always something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm a scat man.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm a scat man. No, I haven't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You don't know that.

[Dan Besser]

Whoa.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you? Please tell me you know what I'm talking about. He's gone.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah. Rest in peace.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wait, what? Really?

[Dan Besser]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh. All right. Well, that was a downer. Thanks, Dan.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That sucks.

[Linus Sebastian]

Glad we glad we brought you out of your focus zone to do that. Cool. What do we want to talk about next? Ah, yes, the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, wow. Like a while ago. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Qualcomm acquires Arduino. Qualcomm, known for developing mobile chips such as the Snapdragon series and many more, has acquired microcontroller manufacturer Arduino for an undisclosed sum.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How are we feeling about this?

[Linus Sebastian]

I love the look on your face there. Qualcomm states that by acquiring Arduino, this will allow them to deliver a full stack Edge platform, which is a fancy way of saying local AI. Jeff Geerling posted a short 5 minute video talking about this and some concerns like commitment to open source and education.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Spaces, which were like a huge thing with Arduino. That's how people primarily talked about when they first showed up was the education spaces stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, hey, I mean, Qualcomm is really well known for.

[Dan Besser]

Sorry, I can't Good luck.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can't finish that sentence. I mean, here's the problem. The problem with something getting acquired for money by someone who expects a return on said money is that whatever money it was making now was clearly not enough for whoever was making money with it now. So whoever's going to acquire it is often, but not always often highly financially motivated to make it. Make more money.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that's kind of the point.

[Dan Besser]

Point.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Private equity. This isn't private equity, but private equity.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, Addison. Oh, that's an interesting conversation.

[Luke Lafreniere]

At what point is it.

[Linus Sebastian]

At what point does a large enough conglomerate start to essentially function like private equity in terms of the impact that it has on the. On the companies that it acquires? I mean, there's no. I don't think that, you know, what's happened with Activision Blizzard for Microsoft acquiring them would have been any different if private equity acquired them. Like, I don't really. I don't really see the difference.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, well, we'll see how that goes. Screwdriver?

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure, why not?

[Luke Lafreniere]

PRUSA and LTT screwdriver video. PRUSA posted a 9 minute video today talking about the development of the LTD screwdriver. Wait, that was Prusa? I saw this in my feed. I didn't realize it was Prusa.

[Linus Sebastian]

Huh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool. Yeah. Talking about everything from handle design to Linus spontaneously saying he wanted the screwdriver to be orange. Spontaneously saying that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wasn't that the goal? Forever?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. That's. That's what. That's what Kyle says. He says, I couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't contain my excitement. I haven't actually watched this, so I have no idea what other. What other things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Of course it was supposed to be orange.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't actually necessarily know that for sure because, yeah, the. The snap on one that I used before was orange and orange.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Company color, orange and black.

[Linus Sebastian]

Part of our branding. But we also did an all black screwdriver right from the very start. I. I literally do not remember. It's possible he remembers this better than I do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The screwdriver not having some orange on it would be weird. The primary standard one not having some orange on it would be weird.

[Linus Sebastian]

I really don't remember. I got it. I got to be completely honest with you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I wasn't involved at all. So I have no idea. But yeah, that's. That's awesome. Hypothetical world. Where would LTT be today if there was no screen screwdriver?

[Linus Sebastian]

Exactly. Where it is probably, but maybe a little smaller. Yeah, maybe. Maybe a little smaller. The screwdriver was a very most excellent product launch for us and continues to sell extremely well on the store. I think we're. I think we're well over half a million screwdrivers now, which is like, I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Have had one interaction where someone had no idea what the channel was or anything, but I was talking about what I do, and then they were like, wait, the screwdriver? That has happened?

[Linus Sebastian]

Really? So they just only know us by the screwdriver?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, well, they. I guess someone in their life probably knew the channel, right? And told them about the screwdriver and.

[Linus Sebastian]

They were like, okay, well, it's very giftable.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Try it out or got gifted or something. I don't know what. Yeah, and then they liked the screwdriver a bunch, so they knew the screwdriver, but they didn't. They don't care about computers or anything.

[Linus Sebastian]

So, like, fair enough.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, whatever. I mean, they were like, nice screwdriver. It's like, okay, cool. They like it. They use it all the time. Sweet. Couldn't. Couldn't give the slightest crap about anything else going on, but pretty stoked on the screwdriver.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know what? I'm not stoked on Ford. Ford is locking basic navigation and more behind a subscription. Who could have seen this coming? Could anyone possibly have seen this coming? I mean. Oh, dude, I was someone. Someone posted on the subreddit that Chevy is announcing a new bolt and that surely Linus would be talking about this on wan show. And I was like, okay, first of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All, it's a bolt. Little.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes. That's the first thing I was gonna say. I never cared about the bolt. The bolt was an entry level ev, which is like, fine. But what excited me was the Volt, the plug in hybrid. Back when plug in hybrids weren't trendy and cool yet, and I took a bunch of flack for talking about how cool they were, and now everyone knows they're cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They're so cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

They really are cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

I loved the Volt. There is no new Volt. It's still bull. Or the new one is Bolt. Whatever. The point is 2gm doesn't support Android, Auto and CarPlay anymore. They've gone the Rivian Tesla route. And I gotta be honest, man, like, I. I still can think. The cars are cool. I'll be like, yeah, if this suits your needs, I wouldn't judge you in any way for buying one, but you're gonna have to pry my money from my cold, dead hands before I buy a car that doesn't support me just plugging in my phone and using all my crap that I'm already logged into and all the data tracking that is already happening anyway, because I need this in my pocket anyway. I am not signing into your additional platform and using your additional separate apps. I am not going to do it. I won't. So GM can make all the bolts and volts and Schultz and molts. I don't care. They can make anything they want and they will not get my money from me because they have made a decision that I fundamentally disagree with because it unlocks this. Because all of a sudden now you control the platform and all the other subscriptions that I already have in my life can't just be plugged into my car, which I expect to just own once I pay that kind of money for it. No, I own my car.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I like my car a lot. My car is great.

[Linus Sebastian]

I got a new car.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, what?

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm daily driving a Prius? No, Corolla. Different.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Toyota doesn't even know I have a new car. What is it? I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's the. It's the one that we hooked up the comma AI self driving.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So are you trying to like daily comma AI or something?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So it's, it's going to be a really different kind of video for our channel. I have no idea if people are going to be into it. I don't know if it's going to cut together very well. I don't know. But I get in the car, we have like three or four webcams in there, or if not webcams, dash cams. So we have two angles of me. One that's like just me and one that's like me and the passenger. We have an angle showing the comet AI and I think there might be one more angle. I can't remember what it is. And then we put a microphone on the passenger. Sunshade, just like a little shotgun mic pointing at me. And every time I get in the car, I'm supposed to turn on the audio recording. The video rolls automatically. And then I'm just supposed to like, if anything interesting happens, I do like an audio mark for the editor and then I talk about it and we're going to cut it together. And I daily drove a DIY self driving. I mean, it's not really self driving, it's an advanced driver assist feature. But I mean, certain companies might call it self driving, so why can't I?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I saw your car parked somewhere the other day.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Your actual car? Yeah, yeah, that one. And was genuinely confused because I was like, where is he?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And now this makes a lot, actually a lot more sense because I was like, I was the last person to leave the place and I was locking everything up and then your car was there and I was like, what? Okay. I was actually concerned. I like locked you inside.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, no, I'm good. Yeah, I'm driving, I'm driving the Corolla. I, I like my car. No, I love my car. It's great. It doesn't, it's not life changing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is why I love my car so much.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's been paid off for so long and I get inside and it's comfortable.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, the Corolla's all right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it gets me where I need to go.

[Dan Besser]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh no, I don't have Google Maps. Oh, my phone's sitting on the dash. I suddenly have Google Maps. Wow. Crazy feature.

[Linus Sebastian]

It turns out I, I'm still not really much of a car guy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I like cool cars.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't not like them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I just think it's a lot of.

[Linus Sebastian]

Money and it is, it's, it's, it's a fun party trick, like driving around.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's cheap to not want to spend like decent. Nice new cars are so expensive. I don't want to spend like 60 grand on a new version of my car. How much is, I mean, 60 grand?

[Linus Sebastian]

That doesn't even include your subscription. A Reddit user on the LTT subreddit shared a photo of their truck requiring them to pay a 120canadian dollar a year add on fee to get full use of their car's navigation system. It's not the only subscription that you need to get full access to your Ford truck's features. Their blue cruise hands free highway driving assistance will cost you $500 US dollars a year or $2,500 one time for a lifetime access, which they indicate could actually be only seven years of the service. The comment here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Who's this?

[Linus Sebastian]

This is David. That's a deal breaker, ladies. Some other examples of car sub bull. BMW has heated seats locked behind a subscription. Mercedes has actual car performance locked behind a subscription. Okay, I've talked about this one, that one. I actually, I don't necessarily mind as much because there can be wear and tear impacts on pushing hardware harder. Whether it's an electric, whether it's a gas vehicle. There, there could be an actual cost associated with unlocking that extra performance in terms of like warranty service over time. That One could potentially maybe be justified. Heated seats that are just already there. I object to far more. Also a navigation system that doesn't work is like what even is a car in current year that doesn't have a navigation system? You've got to be kidding me. Anyway, Tesla has their media capabilities behind such a subscription. Toyota has remote start on vehicles three years older or more on a subscription and a ton of have over the air UI updates locked behind subscriptions. GM stated. Gm, the one that. Remember I was just talking about how I'm not interested in there not having Android auto or carplay bullshit. GM stated that it earned more than $2 billion in 2021 via in car subscriptions. And yeah, that's exactly why they don't do it like they did in the Volt anymore. Dude, the voltage is like my per. It was like the Goldilocks zone. What is that car? 2017. I think it's great. It has. It has a big enough screen that you can totally make out where you're going. It supports Android auto and carplay. It never got any like ended production.

[Luke Lafreniere]

2019 so yours being 2017 sounds pretty.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think mine's a 2017. It doesn't really get any OTA updates or anything but it doesn't need them because I can plug my phone into it forever and have all the features I could possibly want.

[Luke Lafreniere]

People love these. Dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

2019 Chevrolet Volt car and driver. This is American prices used, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, yeah, it's. Because it's like a God tier car. It's awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wicked. No, I'm not even like that's. That's cool. I'm not even down talking it, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

I took.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I get it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I took so much flack for that take back then like it. It was a major factor in me just being like, hey, I don't think I'm going to. I don't think I'm going to push that hard into doing more car reviews on LTT because I took so much for being like this is a really great car.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did you throw it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Throw the car?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, the.

[Dan Besser]

The.

[Linus Sebastian]

Damn.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You started whipping it back at people. Or did you. Did you lose your. Your youthfulness?

[Linus Sebastian]

I just got.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I just got frustrated with them throwing feces at you.

[Linus Sebastian]

What? Yes. Yeah. Doesn't taste good. Thought it was food.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh no. Oh no.

[Linus Sebastian]

That never happened.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh no. Yeah. This sucks. All of this sucks.

[Linus Sebastian]

All of it sucks. Boo.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I stopped doing it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Discussion question. In that same statement, GM stated that I accidentally minimized this topic. GM stated that customers are willing to spend $135 a month on average for the right mix of in car products and services.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nope.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I don't think I am my stuff it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm not at all. I will pay you nothing.

[Linus Sebastian]

My subscription like my included with purchase subscriptions in my Taycan expired last month and I don't even know what they were because to me a feature of a vehicle that is not just part of it and that requires a subscription doesn't exist. So I have literally never used them because the last thing I want is to get used to using something that I know I'm going to have to pay monthly for later. Like no.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The only problem my car has had in years happened somewhat recently. Some air got in the brake line still works perfectly fine. Just like should probably get it tuned up eventually. Somebody with a trailer pulled out in front of me today when I was driving to work and at the red light their trailer brakes were not working and their trailer was brought blocking their brake lights. So when they went to go stop, I didn't realize there was a car in front of them as well. So they stopped way earlier than I expected and I couldn't see their lights. So I ended up slamming on my brakes in order to not hit them and that somehow fixed the error in the lines. So my car fixed itself. Thanks Honda. Okay, sick. I went to stop at the next light. I was like, wait, what the heck? It was awesome. That is not okay. Yeah, I'll go get it checked out. But it did actually fix itself. So I don't know. I don't know if like brake slamming just shocked the line and the air came out or something. I don't know. But I will get it checked out.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, take hands are crazy, crazy affordable if you wait for the right deal these days.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Whoa. Why is that so much cheaper than the one. Is it the Turbo S part they have?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yes. Turbo S is the like top spec one and is quite a bit more expensive. But I mean, I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Here's one for 75. I know guys, I'm taking it in. I literally have an appointment from like that I planned like a week ago. It's fine, don't worry about it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

My goodness.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, my car is depreciated so much. It's fine though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You bought a luxury electric car. Yeah, what do you expect?

[Linus Sebastian]

I expect to enjoy driving my luxury electric car except when I drive my Corolla, which honestly is kind of fine too. Dude, the. The comma AI is really cool. It's the more I drive it, the more clear it is that it's really though only useful in a straight line. Like. Yeah, it doesn't do anything other than really lane keep assist and auto start stop. But to its credit, I had a really cool experience with it this morning. I, I was stopped in, in the left hand turning lane.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

Coming down, coming down Highway 15. Is that, is that the one that, that comes down from the TransCanada highway to the office area? So Highway 15?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think, I think so, yeah. So I'm coming down Highway 15 and then I'm turning left onto Fraser Highway. You know the one right. Okay, so there's your two lanes going straight and then there's your two turning lanes. So there's all that construction there for the Skytrain right now. So I'm in the rightmost of the left turning lanes. So if I was numbering them from left to right, I'm in lane two. Okay, so there's two lights for the straight lanes. Those are kind of in front of me here. And then there's two lights for the left turning lane. There's one kind of here and then there's one like way over here. And so I was sitting there, I was at the front and I was like, what's going to happen when the straight green lights turn green? Is it going to rip me into the intersection? Because a beta feature, I think it's still in beta, actually have not checked, but it was in beta back when we did our first impressions. A feature that I think is in beta of the comma AI is green and red light detection. So it should theoretically automatically stop for a red light and start once the light turns green. It didn't go when the straight greens went. It didn't go. I don't actually recall if it went when the left turning lights went. I have to check the footage. But yeah, I was pretty, I was pretty impressed.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is pretty good actually. Yeah, that's quite a niche case.

[Linus Sebastian]

However, let's talk about yellow lights. It slows down. It seems to kind of treat them like caution, but it doesn't treat them like caution. This will turn red. Maybe it treats them like caution. Maybe it will turn red. Maybe it could turn green again.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe it has location services and knows you're in bc.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a joke because BC drivers, red means stop, green means go, yellow means go faster.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Go faster. But head on a swivel. But go faster.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh God.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, they just, they just knew where you were. They're trying to keep you fitting in with the locals.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Well, yeah, Microsoft has promised more Xbox hardware is still on the way despite low sales numbers for their hardware and the canned Xbox handheld that is rumored to be because AMD required a guarantee that they would sell at least 10 million units. Microsoft has assured gamers that future first party consoles and devices are still being designed, engineered and built by Xbox. They have pointed to the multi year partnership that they entered with AMD earlier this year. With that said, it still looks like their main focus remains on game pass with rumors of a free ad supported tier of streaming only game pass on the horizon. Okay, I can see from your face, but hold on a second, hold on a second. Okay. We have a video coming soon about the state of Xbox that you should keep an eye out for. I actually filmed my part of it today and I want to talk about ad supported free streaming only game pass. Luke, would you like to translate that look on your face into words? Do you have words?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Mostly sadness, I think because you were.

[Linus Sebastian]

A bit of an Xbox. Like boy. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah. Original Xbox, Xbox 360 were a huge deal. Loved both of those consoles. Absolutely loved both those consoles. Just seeing either one of them immediately brings me joy. Like fantastic pieces of equipment. They really fell off the rails in a big way immediately after the360 and I think never got it back. The unhappy face isn't this. Honestly, it just feels like. And it's Microsoft again.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It feels like the same take that I have with Windows, which it's just been so long now of just junk. The original Xbox and Xbox360 were an amazing value prop. Came with incredible exclusives, fantastic games, fantastic hardware, great experience and then it just went and never came back. So like them, them one not making.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. What, what were the like bangers on the Xbox One when?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

When did Gears hit? Was that three? No, that was 360 right? No. Yeah, Xbox One was Gears of War one, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Dan Besser]

Oh no, that was the original Gears.

[Luke Lafreniere]

War was either 360 or the original one.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it wasn't original Xbox I don't think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, so I'm Pretty sure it's 360 then.

[Linus Sebastian]

Titanfall 2 says MAV. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Multi platform.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah. Gears of War was 360. Halo 2.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, no, no. People are just naming stuff that was on the old versions. Halo 2 was playable in the original Xbox but primarily came out for the 360. Is really designed for the 360 but it was playable on the original Xbox if I remember correctly. Or maybe we just got our Internet module thing late.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know what was killer for Xbox One. I'm trying to. I'm trying to even remember the Xbox One. Did anybody care about the Xbox One? Gears 4 to 5 on the Xbox One.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Halo 5, Guardians, Gears 5, Forza.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, man. Fable One was like OG Xbox. That wasn't. That wasn't Xbox One.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Fantastic game, but old. So, like, this is downhill. When.

[Linus Sebastian]

What year did The Red Dead 2 is cross platform. So that's not gonna fly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that's not gonna work at all. 2013. Wow. Right around the time that Windows started getting really terrible as well. Interesting. I don't know what changed then. I genuinely don't. This is. I'm not. I'm not actually alluding to anything. It's just interesting that the timelines are similar.

[Linus Sebastian]

When did Bill Gates step down Way.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Before that, didn't he?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, yeah, but I mean, it takes a long time for the pipeline fair.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like way, way before that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Step down as CEO. I'm just. I'm just curious. I'm not saying that he was like a great leader or whatever. 2000 he stepped down.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's kind of.

[Linus Sebastian]

So that was way, way, way, way. All right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What are you talking. Yeah, okay, so. But my actual, like sadness here wasn't about the Xbox hardware thing because in my opinion, that's been dead for 12 years.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I already kind of moved on from Xbox hardware. The thing that I like about Xbox hardware is the controllers. Now I would be really sad if they stopped making controllers and it impacts my life literally. Not at all that they stopped making consoles despite being like, as you said, an Xbox boy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because they just completely lost me, which sucks.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I'm trying to think of a good reason to game on an Xbox. The cheap hardware was one. Not that they hiked the prices.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Didn't they increase the price recently for the same console?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

When does that happen?

[Linus Sebastian]

Remember when mid cycle consoles would maybe go down in price?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you remember go down. Or you'd get like slim versions or. Or whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or they'd start coming with bundled games and like extra controllers. Like there'd be cool variants like value Translucent purple. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy, though. Who would do that with their screwdriver?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I. What?

[Linus Sebastian]

Huh? That's crazy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's crazy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is crazy indeed. Yeah. So it's like the thing that I'm sad about here and I know I'm going to catch flack for this, but the thing that I'm sad about here is the you can play the games for free with ads.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you think that's bad?

[Luke Lafreniere]

That.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why do you think that's bad?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is a stepping stone in my opinion.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, is it to even more.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Increasingly annoying things and different from what.

[Linus Sebastian]

We already have in like microtransaction hell?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's just progressive.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, the all. I mean that's. It's basically just mobile gaming then.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is my point.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I see. Okay. So you're just like, okay, well, ads.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Will start being made with this in mind. Sorry, games will start. I mean, same deal, unfortunately. Games will start being made with this in mind. But like, mobile games don't need to be as bad as they are. They have the hardware, they have the performance to make them better. Don't on purpose.

[Linus Sebastian]

The ad supported tier in mobile games though, is just to get you going on to the microtransactions.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And PC games are already made for microtransactions, which feels progressive. It's like we skipped stage two cancer and we went straight to stage four. Like, I don't really.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think we even skipped stage two or three. I think we did them well.

[Linus Sebastian]

When did we have ad supported games on PC? Like, if you're saying like ads, like. I'm saying ad supported is like. Is like one of the stages we went through to get to in a few games.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There are already games that have funding from ads. Yeah, just in. In very alternative ways. This is the most blatant because there's already been like paid billboard ads. There's even been games that have the ads in them update over time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, tell me this. If the idea is that the. The ad supports the streaming of the game, then the game developer isn't really being incentivized in any way to put ads in the game itself. And it's a source of revenue that is completely separate from any kind of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You don't know, microtransact revenue sharing is happening.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's true.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If your game gets more ad views.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, so you're worried about things getting like super grinding.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So what I was saying was that I'm worried about games being made with this in mind because the same thing happened with microtransactions. When microtransactions came in, cool cosmetics for accomplishing cool things went away. Went away. When microtransactions came in, fun cheat codes went away.

[Dan Besser]

I've had an intrusive thought. You know how many loading zones there are in Starfield?

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is my point.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ad break. Mm.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So like just the fact that that mechanism in there is there concerns me. You understand stream economy. It can't just be free. Ads make sense to make it cheap. That's fully understand that. That's not the point at all. The point is the perverse incentive that happens to the developers.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because now they would be incentivized. I'm assuming if your game plays way more ads than other people's games, you're gonna get more money. I don't know when the ads play. I don't know if it's during the game. I don't know if it's during those games.

[Linus Sebastian]

It can't just be like in the middle of lining up a headshot. No, obviously. So it has to be at some kind of a natural break.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It could be that you can't launch the game until you play a certain amount of ads or something.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I'm sure that starting with playing a bunch of ads.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Exactly.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then the game going will turn into playing a bunch of ads and then in between rounds could turn into whatever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is the sadness I see.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think gaming was better when you owned less games because you bought them. I don't think having access to 700 games made my life better. When I had an Xbox and I had like five games, it was great and that was totally fine. And I bought them and there wasn't ads and there wasn't microtransactions and it was fantastic. I don't need infinite game on game pass for free, but I have to watch ads. I don't want that.

[Linus Sebastian]

But you can also afford regular game pass or just buying.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Even when I couldn't, I preferred it. I would just have less games. Like I said, when I had just like a few games in an Xbox, when my brother and I had to go do random chores and odd jobs around the neighborhood to be able to afford a super Nintendo even when like the N64 was out. Whatever. I preferred the fewer games that I had that did not have the ads. That is nostalgia talking. It aggressively is not. And I promise you that is. That is not at all what's happening.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, you don't know this man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I promise you that is not the case gaming Boomer. It's. It's genuinely not rose tinted glasses looking at the past. It is actually not that that is not the case whatsoever. It is a degradation of gaming quality. I loved that. Tons of games used to come with cheat codes that just made the game fun and silly. I loved games being more contained, compartmentalized experiences. I loved doing weird things in game and getting rewarded with, like, cool, fancy stuff instead of most of the cool stuff being locked behind cosmetics that you buy in a store. And if you don't think that's happening, you're nuts.

[Linus Sebastian]

Basically, what Luke misses is the dopamine hit being because you did something, rather than the dopamine hit being because you paid for something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. And even if you're like, oh, those mechanisms are still there, they're not prioritized.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, yeah, because it's way more profitable to prioritize giving you a dopamine hit for watching an ad or giving you a dopamine hit for paying money.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it's such an incredibly powerful force. And again, if you don't think it is, you're probably just being manipulated. Sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wow. Dropping truth bombs is what it is. Are you going to, like, you know, warn them to get to an evac zone before you drop truth bombs like that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nope. Nope.

[Linus Sebastian]

Our discussion question here is actually kind of unrelated. Why is the Steam Deck considered such a huge success when it's rumored to have sold somewhere in the neighborhood of around 5 million units? PS Vita sold 10 to 15 million units. Wii U sold about 13 million, and both are considered to be historic bombs. I actually think I have a good answer if you don't have one ready. But I was curious to hear your take.

[Luke Lafreniere]

First, I have a couple angles.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm going to go with expectations. Yeah, the expectations for Linux gaming was that it was just never going to happen. And I don't mean the optimists. They thought Linux gaming had already happened. And for them it had. But for the rest of the world, for like, you know, my nephew, it hadn't happened. Steam Deck made that happen. I guarantee you there are more people gaming on a Steam Deck right now than there were cumulatively ever before. That on Linux, like huge millions of units is. Is incredible for like gaming on Linux. So what that. What that? And it's also like, it's also their first crack at it. So it's a data point. Right. Whereas the Wii U and the PS Vita, they were data points that took a sales trend and went like this with it. The Steam Deck is a sales trend that is at the very beginning that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Most external analysts thought would be a failure.

[Linus Sebastian]

And that, we think is probably going to go like. This was a keyword, right? Is probably going to go like this. So it's extremely exciting. Reason number two that the Steam Deck is considered a success is that the PS Vita and the Wii U had very Limited game libraries. The Wii U did have some bangers, but a lot of those bangers ended up selling big on the Switch. Yeah, they didn't end up selling big or on the Wii. Right. Like that's true. They ended up selling on the consoles that were on either side of the Wii U. And yeah, the PS Vita had some bangers too. But when you compare that to the Steam deck, Valve's business model is to take 30% of every flipping game on Steam. And the Steam deck is such an enabler of more hours spent gaming. I guarantee you that the economics of the Steam deck have worked out way better for Valve than the PS Vita or the Wii U ever did for Sony or for Nintendo. So those are my two main arguments is expectations and sort of future opportunity that is unlocked by the Steam deck compared to those other two. And also the, the ability to attach software to it is like I have literally bought games that I go, I would never play this game except that I'm going to be stuck somewhere with only a handheld and it's a perfect game to play on my handheld. Like I would never play Vampire Survivors on my desktop. Never. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't touch that game on my desktop. Not because it's a bad game, probably have like 30 hours in it, 35 hours in it. But it's all on my ally, all of it. It's just, it's a mobile game for me. It's like I have 10 minutes. Yeah, I'll just fire up Vampire Survivors.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, my main thing was expectations. The other one was highly related to your other comment of like the future stuff because the 13 million we use sold were sold to a bunch of people that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Weren'T super enthusiastic. I guess. I liked my Wii U a lot actually, but most people that I knew that got one were like, eh, it's kind of a Wii and.

[Linus Sebastian]

But your big thing was Mario Kart. You played Mario Kart 8 credible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If Mario Kart 8 didn't exist, I don't think I would look back on the Wii U nearly as positively. Yeah, there were cool things about it, but really it was a Mario Kart 8 machine.

[Linus Sebastian]

So if you really loved Mario Kart 8, the Wii U was a banger of a crooked. Yeah, but if not more like that, that cool four player dude, side scroller.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is the reason why it would still look good to me because I think it was Mario Brothers Wii U something or Mario Brothers you. That's what it was. You could, you could play four characters playing the actual side scrolling game. And then you had one like kind of God mode character that could like put down little platforms for them which ultimately turned into. As someone was jumping you put down a platform in their way so that they smack into it and fall down. You troll your friends. That was really fun. The actual like unique controller tablet thing was actually really cool. But anyways the. The buyers of the Switch, the Steam deck, not the Switch are like really into it. Like I see a surprising amount of them on planes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All the time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And there's that like. Wait, what's that? And maybe that person who asked that question isn't going to buy it now because it's like kind of two years old at this point. Whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

Three and a half.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But he's got a half. Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's been a while. But they might get interested in other handhelds. They might wait for the next one. Whatever. But it's. It's that first one that doesn't necessarily sell as crazy as it could just because it wasn't as known. And it's quite a daring piece of technology to put out there. Like my goodness. Especially with steamos. But the. I suspect the next one will do even better.

[Linus Sebastian]

I heard back from Dave. Oh, the holidays.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

So, yeah, sorry Mr. Calls. We do have time to try between Black Friday and Boxing Day. Plan was to hold out until the holiday promotions are over to minimize stacking discounted cards on additional discounted offers. Yes. So that was my understanding too. But apparently we ran it now. Anyway. We'll be tracking redemptions to see how customers spend the cards over time. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, hope you wanted a cash injection.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nope. I'm okay right now. I was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Welp. I don't know what to say then.

[Linus Sebastian]

All I. All I managed to do today was take a 10% bite out of what was going to be the Black Friday cash injection. Yeah. Oh, whatever. You know what? Merry Christmas. Yeah, they'll be fine. They'll be alright. They already got everything.

[Dan Besser]

Who cares?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Speaking of not having everything. South Korean government loses 858 terabytes of data and fire. Whoa. A battery fire on September 26th consisted of 384 battery packs. Resulted in the destruction of 96 government computer systems. While 95 of those systems did have some form of backup. One system known as the G drive. G meaning government, not Google, reportedly couldn't.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Have a backup system due to its large capacity.

[Linus Sebastian]

Couldn't is a big word.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's not True. Rendering all 858 terabytes completely gone. G drive was used by staff to store documents and allocated 30 gigabytes of space per public official. So it's all there, like personal stuff. That's brutal. The Ministry of the Interior and City Safety originally issued guidelines that all work materials should be stored on the G drive.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's nuts. As for the other 95 computers that did have backups, only 62% were backed up daily, with the remaining 38% backed up monthly. That's a big jump. Leaving additional data loss concerns. Oh, so there's more than 858 terabytes lost. Nice. Wow. Overall, the fire impacted government email, online postal services, petition services, and the National 119 Emergency Service. I don't actually know why everyone uses different ones. 119 feels very inspired by 91 1.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a very. That's a very North America centric point of view. How do you know 911 wasn't inspired by 11 9?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Telephone.

[Linus Sebastian]

Prove it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Who made telephone? It was probably the way that I described. I can't guarantee that, but I'm just guessing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Emergent Emergency services number was first. Okay. AI Go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

999.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wow. Wrecked.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Dan Besser]

Wow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We all just use that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Absolutely. Wrecked. Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

That doesn't reconnaid.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That doesn't prove any point.

[Linus Sebastian]

Reckoning.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That doesn't prove any point.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're. You're talking like you're sounding like someone who was wrecked. That doesn't prove any sound like someone who doesn't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That doesn't prove any point at all.

[Linus Sebastian]

It proves that 911 is not the right one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. So 911 should be 999 sure. And 119 should just also be 999 sure. Why does it change? 999 was a bad first choice. Yeah, I kind of think you should change it at least once.

[Linus Sebastian]

999 was for Rotary phones. Oh, that's interesting. That would take too long. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Would take a really long time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean some kids still could debate.

[Linus Sebastian]

119 versus 911 now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think I need to anyways. Yeah. Moving on. So it was more than 858 terabytes that they lost. Since the incident, one employee involved in the data recovery process has.

[Linus Sebastian]

Taken unalived.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Themselves.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Four other individuals have been arrested and are actively being investigated on whether professional negligence may have contributed to the fire.

[Linus Sebastian]

Honestly, blaming the employees at this point is the least based thing that you could possibly do. I think it's time to just own the responsibility that you didn't feel like spending another, you know, hundred grand on another petabyte of data to have a second copy of this stuff and. Wow. The South Korean government has reported a recovery rate of only 17.8%. Oh. With a full recovery expected to take a month. How are they possibly hoping to get a full recovery of this if it burned down and there wasn't a backup? That just sounds like nonsense. I mean, I'll be honest with you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe they mean. No, there's no way they mean the services.

[Linus Sebastian]

As someone who has lost data from a petabyte project, it was a very conscious decision. I made the decision fully understanding that I wasn't backing up this data to not back it up based on cost. That was the only reason that we didn't back it up, because that data was not essential. So it was all archived projects, and I didn't feel like spending money on it. So to hear anything other than we didn't back this up because we didn't feel like spending money on it is horseshit. And I throw it at you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I haven't. I have no idea on the legitimacy of this, but it's mullets in full. Playing chat said the fire also happened on the same day investigation was supposed to start on corruption related things. Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. So there's more to it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe. I. I don't know. That's not from our notes. I have no idea. But if you're.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, no. Maybe Nae Nae says they did have two copies on the same system in the same data center. You knew what I meant, Nae Nae.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, are we talking about.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wait, have we finished sponsors yet?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Thing? No.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We have one topic left, so we should probably do those right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I won't.

[Dan Besser]

And then we can talk about the Steam machine after that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay.

[Dan Besser]

Once I get it back together, YouTube.

[Linus Sebastian]

No longer perma bans people. It used to be that YouTube took steps.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wait, shouldn't we do the sponsors?

[Linus Sebastian]

I thought you wanted to do a topic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We have to do the sponsors so that we have one topic left.

[Linus Sebastian]

After that, they have After Dark after.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That, so we do sponsors and then After Dark. Yeah, okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

After Dark is great. People love After Dark. They'll stay for After Dark.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's the best part of the show. Yeah, I just. I just forced my way through the rest of it. I only like After Dark pretty much. I'm kidding.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We have to wade through the topic so we can get to the real.

[Linus Sebastian]

Juice anyway, so it Used to be that YouTube would perma ban you and then you were perma banned and they took steps to prevent you from creating a new account. Well, now YouTube believes in second chances. Our long held approach of enforcing lifetime terminations can be difficult for creators. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah appeals. Starting today, some previously terminated creators will have the opportunity to request a new YouTube channel. This is a fresh start. You can re upload any of your prior videos that are within our community guidelines. How will you decide who gets a new channel? Oh God, man. There's some stuff that just like heavy. There's people that really should not be let back on the platform. Whether the creator committed particularly severe or persistent violations, whether the creators on or off platform activity harmed or may continue to harm the YouTube community. Like channels that endanger kids safety. That's. That's good. Not everybody seems to be that concerned with holding accountable people who endanger kids safety. There was, there's some files I think that, that there's probably some people are hoping would burn down in a gun, government data center fire. But I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

At some point, yeah, we should probably release those. All of them.

[Linus Sebastian]

Every single part should release all of them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Don't leave anything out.

[Linus Sebastian]

What about monetization? You can apply for it. Okay. Man, I'm, I'm having real mixed feelings on this. I feel like having this be like at our discretion, maybe some people will maybe be allowed is a huge can of worms. And I just don't understand why they would open it up. Because if they don't let someone back, they're making like they're making. Because everything's, everything's polarized now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

If they don't let someone back, they are making a specific judgment about that specific individual. And if they do allow someone back, they're making a specific judgment about that specific individual. Like there was this one of the first channels that I was aware of being banned. It probably wasn't the first channel to ever be banned, but it was, it was a big channel and it getting banned was like kind of a big deal. Was this channel called David's Farm. And it was kind of a lot of what it sounds like. Just like, you know, it was one a very early like farming YouTube.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Channel. But there was like very unsafe, very disgusting animal cruelty stuff that happened.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

And just egregious violations of, you know, anything that would be considered remotely acceptable for upload to YouTube. And I'm sitting here going like, would they let someone who. Content warning Extremely graphic description Incoming So Mute your mic for a second and I'm a go. Like this. When it's safe. Mute your mic. Your headphones. Yeah. Like, this is a channel that took a live pig, pinned it down, and chainsawed it in half while alive. Safe now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why that.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is a person that clearly is disturbed in the head and does not need to share anything they have to say with anybody. Sorry that I'm standing by that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know, so if I see something like that come back, I'm sitting here going, no, Lifetime ban was the right kind of band. You know, I. I don't know, dude. Like that is that, like. That's just. It's monstrous, you know?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. There's a lot of people saying that it has to do with Trump's spin, so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, so this is just a policy to have something to point at when they violate what previously would have been the policy and reinstate an account? You think it's that simple? They're just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It might be. I just. I've seen some comments about this. I have no idea. Where's my thing? We don't have any notes on that. I don't know anything about it. I thought Trump's ban was overturned like quite a while ago, but like you said, maybe it's just something to point to now. No idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

Interesting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I honestly didn't even know he was banned off YouTube.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was after the apparently happened. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah, that makes sense. But he was reinstated in 2023.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So who knows?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Moon Pies. What a time to be alive. It's gonna be after dark in a minute. Let's get through a couple explosives.

[Dan Besser]

That sounds like two minute papers.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, what. What a paper.

[Dan Besser]

Time to be alive. Love that man.

[Linus Sebastian]

What do you want?

[Luke Lafreniere]

This?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, from after the sponsor spots.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

For the love of God.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

The show is brought to you today by whatever Luke didn't read already.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Start with Squarespace.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hey, Luke. Knock knock.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Who's there?

[Linus Sebastian]

Definitely not a door to door salesman, because they probably got an awesome website instead. Built with Squarespace. It's really easy to do thanks to professionally curated templates that'll get you started off right. They also adopt a code free drag and drop approach to customization with their fluid engine editor. So practically anyone can bring their vision to life. If you ever get stuck on anything with a few quick prompts, their AI tools can lend a hand. And if you're selling tangible goods or even services, you can take payments directly from your site. With support for all major Credit cards and other popular methods. Klarna in there. Yeah, it is. So start building your website today and get 10% off your first purchase by visiting squarespace.com Wan that was the worst thing I have ever read. Knock knock. Who's there? Not a door to door salesman because they have a website that uses Squarespace. Oh my God. The show is also brought to you by Ubiquiti. We hosted our inaugural Whale Land event at Smash Champs last week. Two weeks ago. I think it was two weeks ago. And while we're still working on our video, taking you deep behind the scenes and checking out some of the setup coming soon, tm, we can show you this picture. Okay. That's Chase. It's Chase. Thanks for all your hard work, Chase. And also thanks to our sponsor Ubiquiti. They've powered up all of our networking and boy was there a lot to consider from making sure that our 8v8 gaming setup was operational. Video coming soon as well TM to keeping all 250 attendees gaming throughout the weekend. Good thing. Their latest Pro XG48POE switches and access points are simple to deploy and reach up to 10 gig speeds. Might seem like a lot of things to keep track of, but fortunately their license free unifi site manager has a clean user friendly design. So whether it's for personal use for large events or even massive stadiums, you can count on Ubiquiti to make networking easy. Go to LMG GG Ubiquitiland today to unify your networking with Ubiquiti. That's U B I Q U I T I L A N. We'll have that linked in the video description. It's after dark. Let's do it.

[Dan Besser]

All right, that sounds good to me.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh wait.

[Dan Besser]

Do you have another topic?

[Linus Sebastian]

Did you do.

[Dan Besser]

Oh yeah, show us.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's not quite done.

[Dan Besser]

I'll bring it over right now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just make sure it still works. Still works. I mean, why don't you just point your camera?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I heard him do a little squeak and I knew he got it. I knew something happened. It was earlier the show.

[Dan Besser]

I was like, dopamine squeak.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes, exactly. I heard it and I was like, oop, we're getting something good. I don't know what exactly. Like, I don't know if the. Maybe he just got the light to turn on or something. But does it boot? I don't know. No screen I guess. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, well, we'll see what happens, I guess. Want to give me your HDMI cable?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, I'm so stoked.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There we go.

[Dan Besser]

Actually work been intermittent. Somebody's.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my power cable's not here anymore.

[Dan Besser]

Crunched a bunch of cables in there. Maybe when they tried to reassemble it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know what you're talking about. So he's blaming me. Can you please blaming me?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think he was.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, he was. Dan, you were blaming me, right?

[Dan Besser]

No. I don't know. Might have been sent from Factory like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

See, God is British humor. Actually, it's the funniest.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I. You know, I. I mean, it wasn't in your position for so many years. I just assumed he met somebody else.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, he wouldn't take shots at some random.

[Dan Besser]

I mean, it was a blameless accusation.

[Linus Sebastian]

See, you can tell from his tone. You can tell from his tone how blameful it is.

[Dan Besser]

I've seen enough insides of things that just blame a general person and then they can be guilty.

[Linus Sebastian]

See, he blamed the general.

[Dan Besser]

Oh, I wonder if the front button is actually.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Make sure not to dock someone with pulling up the sign in.

[Dan Besser]

What?

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, I think. I think the sign in is probably going to be a username. Worst case scenario, I think we're probably going to be.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay watch it be like full first and last name of a Valve employee.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know, right? I mean, it'd be pretty funny. There's no way they haven't even noticed, have they?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Gabe?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, hey, look. Look it close.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, we're gonna bring it over here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Over here. We want to put it on the. On the screen so people can see.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, in fairness to him, the first thing I said was Dan, why don't we just do it over there? So. Oh, did you. Did you. Did you take away cable? Can I have that, please? Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We need.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dan, you hit the mic. God, some people's kids, man. Okay, should we move the banner so they can see up or like. No, no, we don't can. Is that opaque or is it transparent? You know, just add a bit of. A bit more translucency. That way people's merch messages can still show. Yes, please.

[Dan Besser]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thank you. Hey, there we go. Wow. Did you. What?

[Dan Besser]

Did you push it correctly?

[Linus Sebastian]

What the heck? Yeah. Who broke it now, smart guy?

[Luke Lafreniere]

As far as I can tell, Linus had it back for like a minute and just destroyed.

[Linus Sebastian]

No way. That was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, that sounds.

[Linus Sebastian]

I destroyed nothing that sounds lore accurate.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I destroyed nothing that sounds lore accurate to me.

[Linus Sebastian]

Stop. Well, I'm just not sure if this fan's gonna be able to spin the mount on.

[Dan Besser]

It is broken.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it's really temperamental. Oh, okay. So. So it broke.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It broke.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I think maybe it's broken.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I want to display. Oh, that was barely in there.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was in there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was barely in there.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know how to plug things in? I know. Plug in the freaking cable, dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He pulled it out with like 1/100th of a pound of force.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, is it off again?

[Dan Besser]

No, it just hasn't turned on in a while.

[Linus Sebastian]

I plugged it in.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, you did not.

[Linus Sebastian]

I did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You did not at all plug it in. You did not.

[Linus Sebastian]

I did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They can't see it. It was not powerfully plugged in.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was plugged in at all. You know what? It's possible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dan, what do you think?

[Dan Besser]

I don't know. Whoever plugged it in last time probably didn't plug it in.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was on here like this. I probably plugged it in it until it hit this.

[Dan Besser]

It was. It's very difficult to plug in.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think that. I think that's probably what happened is I plugged it in and it felt like it moved, and then it hit this thing right here because it hangs down a little bit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that makes sense. That's because the. The. The power cable has a bit of.

[Linus Sebastian]

A I didn't plug it in box.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do we have an. Is there an output at all?

[Dan Besser]

Checking my laptop.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's what it was before.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, that seems to be.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. That's the last frame it had.

[Linus Sebastian]

I have.

[Dan Besser]

800 by 600.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay. So that's probably a bio splash screen then.

[Dan Besser]

Let me. So your Luke laptop.

[Linus Sebastian]

You took the storage drive out of it? Dan, how the hell are we supposed to boot it?

[Dan Besser]

Well, the fact that it turned on, I think is good enough. I'll bring that over. Back in one sec. Let's just make sure that we can get.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, well, I mean, yeah, we wanted to see what it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was why we were going to show the screen.

[Dan Besser]

I didn't even know it was going to work.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's fair. I am happy we got the ring. Yeah, he wants it to not work. It's better for camera.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I want it to work.

[Dan Besser]

Yes. Sorry, I forgot that's in our script.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know, fail for content or whatever.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah, that's all we do.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not a principle.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He did mean to play properly, but he just knew the views. What?

[Dan Besser]

What'd he do?

[Luke Lafreniere]

He dropped the drive directly onto the motherboard. That's amazing. You can't make this stuff up, dude. It's just.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a padded drive. It's cushioned.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my goodness.

[Dan Besser]

This Man's an icon.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, man. All right, well, we'll see how this goes.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, well, maybe it won't. We can do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that. Yeah, we're gonna say we can start merge messages while we tinker around with this.

[Dan Besser]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan Besser]

Let's see.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dan, have you been doing merch messages at all?

[Dan Besser]

Well, we have had like 300, so I've been trying.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh my God.

[Dan Besser]

This is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Some of these.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh my God. This is. Is. This is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We're good.

[Linus Sebastian]

This guy bought $300 in gift cards. Is anybody buying anything other than gift cards?

[Dan Besser]

Some people said they might buy stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh my God. Someone bought the gift card and super discounted swim trunks and a pin.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, the pin was free.

[Linus Sebastian]

We had a deal, you guys. You're gonna buy profitable stuff. Oh my God. So many people are buying like $250 gift cards or like multiple hundred dollar gift cards. What is this order $242 $100 freaking gift card. Okay. No, you bought a couple scribe drivers. Thank you. You, Jacob, for being a team player.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I'm going to jump in the incoming and help Dan.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. I mean, Dan left. He just left. He was there and he left.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I might have too.

[Linus Sebastian]

Luke, we're on our own now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We could do it. We're fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, well, that's. That's the Steam machine. So much for that. Okay, so should I just do curated ones on my own?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can read it to you if you want.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I'll do it. I'll do it. Joseph B. Writes what Ho When Showers. I managed to see the Joseph musical in the summer. It was great and brought back memories. Just wondering what makes it special to Linus. May I suggest PC Build Guide The Musical. You know, with Riley's talents, that could actually be pretty great. Some of those sponsors.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I feel like I would actually really enjoy that. Dude, the. That's right over your power button. Just a heads up, the. Whatever. The most recent one was.

[Linus Sebastian]

On the underwater. The underwater.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes. That one spot on there is hilarious. I think I watched it twice or three times.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. Oh, dude. Amazing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think a lot of people from the thumbnail, by the way, might have assumed that was another like pool cleaner or something.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, we're working on updating the thumbnail. I think we're going to change the thing in my hand to a boombox. Bucks. So then it seems that's a good idea. A little less obviously a product. The reason we used that Bluetooth speaker was just because it seemed like so a. It tied into the initial research. I did Trying to find a solution where it was just a bunch of stupid Bluetooth speakers that advertise themselves as being waterproof, but actually what they meant was can get splashed on a little bit, not like under. So I searched for underwater speaker, and I ended up with a bunch of stupid Bluetooth speakers. So it was kind of. It was kind of supposed to tie in with that. And also, it just clearly looks like a speaker, you know, to the modern audience. But I think that the boom. But to your point, I think it looks sponsored, but it's not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's super. Duh. I understood it wasn't, which is why I clicked on it, but it immediately looked very sponsored.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So I think if we change it to a boombox above the water, then that will sell it a little bit better as what it is. Anyway, what's special about it for me is I think it was one of the first musicals I ever saw. I went with my auntie, and it was just. It was just such a great show. It was such a. It was such a magic, awesome experience. It set off what turned out to be a lifelong love of musical theater, live theater in general. And Donnie is just such an incredible star. It was when Donny Osmond was playing Joseph, and so, yeah, when I saw it most recently with him playing Pharaoh. Such a cool, like, full circle moment, and it was just magic man. It's. It's a. It's a great show. It's just pure fun. It doesn't. Oh, my God. It booted up.

[Dan Besser]

Show the people.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I would like to. Do you want to use Luke's cam or my cam, rather.

[Dan Besser]

Dan, can you push the button?

[Linus Sebastian]

Push the button.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I did.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, is there pass through? Well, no. Yeah, I mean, you'll have to move the camera, Dan, because it's not pointed at the. Yep. He's tethered with headphones. This is hilarious. Also, your producer cam thing is up. Just go to the wide.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can only do two things at a time. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

There you go. Nailed it. Perfection. Okay. Just. You're good, Dan. It's fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's good enough.

[Linus Sebastian]

We don't have a keyboard, though. Dan.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my God.

[Dan Besser]

Does it need something?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I mean, I. Yeah, it depends if we. And he's gone. Cool. Good merch message.

[Dan Besser]

I'm going to archive it now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Adam r. Writes. Greetings dll. It is genuinely hard to pitch slash explain YouTuber merch. And there isn't really a better term. Have you considered brand names for your clothing outside of LTT store? Linus Tech styles. That one's free. We are going to transition to using more creator warehouse branding for like our blank products, with the idea being that eventually maybe other creators would use our blanks as well. Beyond that, I think we've discussed switching over to LTT rather than Linus and then LTT store could still just work and we just kind of move away from the Linusness. Like our old stealth hoodie, for instance, was like a black on black. So it was still stealthy, but it just had like Linus tech tips and giant text down the arm. We very rarely put my name on anything anymore and that's, that's highly intentional. Dan is doing things over there, so I'm just going to switch over to that camera. But yes, it has occurred to us, but right now our overall sales volumes are so relatively low that splitting out and creating a new product line with a different brand, I feel like all it would really serve to do is split our run rate. And I don't see how we could, how we could justify it. We still, honestly speaking, are not that good at selling outside of promoting it through our like, YouTube channels. We still have a lot to learn about marketing without leaning on the YouTube channels as a crutch. Unique username says Linus. That was the opposite of stealthy. That was a shiny Linus cringe. It wasn't shiny. It was like, it was like matte. Black on black. Yes, I agree it's too much and that's why we don't do it anymore. But I really don't think it was shiny that I don't think I can agree with that.

[Dan Besser]

Sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

Luke and Linus writes. Gabriel, you've talked about making sandals in the past. Have you thought about making boots or FR clothing work in the oil and gas industry? And FR is required. P.S. play Payday 3. You mean like fire resistant?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Flame. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So we looked at doing flame retardant, like either like the base material itself or with coatings on the workshop jacket. And ultimately I forget whether it was due to like the chemical nature or we really liked the material we were using and it just wasn't or if it was a certification thing. We're very low volume. Like that's the thing to, to kind of remember always is that we are, you know, a big YouTuber organization, but a little bitty company in the grand scheme of things. Like we are. We are ants under which the giant boots of companies like Nestle descend upon and crush. Like we're, we're. We're not a huge player in the grand scheme of things. So, so like this is impacting our ability to do cables. For instance, our USB cables are coming, but certain display cables, not going to name any names, have just unbelievable fees associated with every single SKU at every single length that could prevent us from being able to make that type of display cable at all because we just, we just don't do that kind of volume. So no plans for fire resistant clothing in the near future. As for boots, very unlikely as well. Doing, doing boots requires different molds for every single size. And I mean I feel like you could, you could probably go to like a Chinese boot factory or something like that and they'd be able to do the molds for you for a fraction of what you'd be able to do somewhere else. But between tariffs and between it being very challenging to control the quality of a product like that, I just don't really see what we'd be adding to the boot category if that situation ever changes. If we find a really outstanding factory and we find a really outstanding reason for our boots to exist. Never say never. But there are absolutely no plans for the near future. Also duly noted on the Payday 3 recommendation. Oh wow.

[Dan Besser]

I can do a couple more if you want.

[Linus Sebastian]

No idea how to read this, but here's a merge message from this. Yeah, love from China. Do you think that it is ethically defensible for Apple to apply double standards when it comes to trading profit for surrendering icloud servers to our government? What would you do if you were in our situation? No, I don't think it's defensible at all. I mean this is one of the things that, that drives me so nuts about Apple and it's one of the things that Apple users flipping hate when I talk about because there is no defense of this. You can't get on stage and talk about how important user privacy is to you. You can't beat your chest and talk about how uncompromising you are about user privacy when you have user data in data centers that the Chinese government has unlimited access to. I'm sorry, but you don't get to do that. And yeah, the Chinese government would probably just lock Apple out of the Chinese market if they refused to surrender that access. But that's dims the brakes then. So you can't say privacy first, profit second. If actually when push comes to shove, it's the other one. And look, it's not like Apple's any different from the vast majority of other companies who would make the same decision. Fine, just own it then. That's all I'm asking. Just don't bullsh t me. Just say, yeah, we, you know, we'll comply with whatever laws in order to make sure that we can continue doing business in whatever key region. Just say that then. Don't. Don't pretend to be better than anybody. That's all.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Next up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Okay, so we're in the bios. Is our. Is our boot drive showing up?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I didn't see it there.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, there it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Man, that is a. That is a fun looking bios. Look at. Man, when did BIOS get so boring? Yeah, look at that.

[Dan Besser]

Do you think it might need something like on you?

[Linus Sebastian]

Like. Oh, like CSM or something or. No, not csm. The stupid Legacy boot mode. Hold on, just go to exit. Go to the exit 1. Because sometimes the Exit tab will just have like a boot to this particular device. Oh yeah, this one too. Nope, no dice. Yeah, back to boot then. Hard drive boot priorities Boot option one. I mean, if it shows up as a boot option, theoretically it should just go right? Oh, Legacy only. Want to change storage to either? Oh no, UFI only. Okay, so we'll be already tried Legacy then. Do you want to try UEFI?

[Dan Besser]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, let's see what happens.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If F10 doesn't work. It's illegal.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Put them in jail.

[Linus Sebastian]

BIOS jail. Yeah. Kevin B asks Linus, any updates on your daily driving of the AirPods Pro 3? I'm really looking forward to hearing your thoughts after using them for a while. After your fiery first impressions on Short Circuit. I flew to Dallas, Texas earlier this week. The noise Cancellation on the AirPods Pro 3S is so good that on a jet aircraft I could have just as easily been cruising at like 50 miles an hour on the highway. Wow. Like, wow. It is so good that I actually kind of wish that Apple had like a, like a staged or a faded, like a gradual change from ANC to transparency mode. Is it shocking because it's jarring? Sometimes you turn off transparency, like, whoa, dang, it's loud in here. Like it, like you get adjusted to it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I find the transparency mode on mine is louder than not having the headphones in.

[Linus Sebastian]

The transparency Mode on the AirPods Pro 3S is also just outstanding. It's very natural. Like, even my own speech is quite natural, which is very difficult to do as far as I can tell, because almost nobody executes it very well. Sometimes the audio quality doesn't bother me, but there are certain situations where it is. It is just not very good. Now I have heard that there's a new update and I have finally figured out my transition problems over to the iPhone air. So once I pair my my AirPods Pros to this, I should be able to apply the latest firmware update. Oh, I should actually add that to my notes for the review that if Apple hasn't dealt with this yet. I haven't actually checked if they haven't dealt with this yet. But if Apple still hasn't dealt with there being absolutely no way to update the firmware on AirPods Pro 3s unless you also have an iPhone, that is like should be criminal. Basically, you should be able to apply updates to your device simply by having your device. Can you do it through. Oh wait, maybe some. I think someone might have mentioned before that you might be able to do it through itunes. Can you do it through iTunes on PC? Someone let me know. Let me know in the chat. Can you? I'll. I'll just make a note for myself. Can you update without iPhone? Boop. Okay, now I got that in there. That is something that I want to talk about one way or another. I think that's all I kind of have to say for now. They still aren't as comfortable for me, but I think I figured out why they did it because.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do they ever stay seated in your ear canal?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so you know I have those problems with the IEMs staying in my ear canal. So I use the kind of older version where it doesn't go in your ear.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're just earbuds.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Earbuds instead of IEMs. But I got the AirPods non Pro 4.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is I think its proper name and that has ANC and transparency mode. And honestly, they drive me nuts and I wish I just had the old ones. And I still use the old ones sometimes, but my old ones, the battery life in the right ear is really bad, so it'll die way before the other one, which sucks my ears.

[Linus Sebastian]

Replacement. The battery.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Got him get trolled. The reason why I don't like them so much is because. Because you don't have that insert from the IEMs. The seal is really bad.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And even in transparency mode, it'll be like trying to figure it out and it'll just start going like crazy and it's like percussion against your ear. It gets really intense. So I don't know, it's annoying. Especially when you're like moving around doing stuff. They'll move slightly in your ear and then the seal will break. And again it's like, man, I find it really annoying.

[Linus Sebastian]

To be honest with the seal, it's good. And man, I gotta say, I. I wake up with them both still in my ears, which is pretty incredible. Like, my Pro twos fall out during the middle of the night all the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Time when it makes seal. It sounds great.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And like the. The ANC and the transparency mode is amazing. All kinds of fantastic.

[Linus Sebastian]

You just got to figure out how to wear in ears or in canal.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I need those spring clips to be a thing. Nice. I need to bring that back.

[Linus Sebastian]

Classic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan Besser]

Let's see.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did we. Did we give up on this?

[Dan Besser]

I can't get it past the black screen of death.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, cool.

[Dan Besser]

So hardware that says hardware.

[Linus Sebastian]

It could just be that this drive is empty. Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Besser]

Wouldn't it say, hey, boot. Stop it. Give me boot device.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not necessarily.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've seen this behavior before personally.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, I tried.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We should crank the transparency back up and make it purple.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Dan Besser]

Oh, I forgot to do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, you're doing so many things. All good. I can read the next one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dan, you're doing great.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'll skip.

[Dan Besser]

Yo, look, Luke, what Linux distro do you use and how has the experience? Been considering Linux myself for the last.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Little bit I've been dual booting because there's some stuff I need to do in Windows that like I could have VMed and stuff, but it was. That was proven to be annoying. So I've been dual booting. But the. On the Linux side, on my laptop, I've been using Arch. The reason why I picked Arch wasn't to be a I'm better at Linux than you, dude. It was to prove that it was.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just because I'm a better than Linux.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, no.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I was enough to run Arch. No, that's fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You don't have to say it with relatively little knowledge.

[Linus Sebastian]

You will say it, but you don't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Have it with relatively little knowledge, experience or effort. I have been able to run it just fine for months now. Totally just fine. No problems, updates, all that stuff. And it's been great. And like, I don't game on my laptop much, but I have Steam installed and I can play a game every now and then and it's been very transparent. Like the. It doesn't feel like, oh, I'm using Steam time, trying to pull all these levers and do all these crazy things to get these games to work. It's a download button, it's a play button. It's just like you're on Windows. Like it was very easy. So yeah, the whole goal of this honestly was to be able to basically talk about it on WAN show and point out that it's been fine. And I picked the one that's hard.

[Linus Sebastian]

And the reason was to show how great you are.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, it wasn't.

[Linus Sebastian]

Even though it's hard.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The point was that I've done nothing. There's no. There's no skill involved.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's no skill. So if you can't do it, wow, you must be beyond no skill. Because I am so godlike at running Linux. It took no skill at all.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh my God. There was. At the intel event in Arizona that we were at. There was like Linux nerds there asking me Linux questions because they heard that I was running it. And I kept on being like, I don't know. It's not the point. The point is that I don't have to do all these things and it's still good. Like, that's. That's the point. That's the interesting part. So, like, I, if I were you, wouldn't necessarily pick Arch.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's not against Arch says Luke is swinging his. Luke around the room as usual. Giant Linux dong.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my God. The, ah. The pain is that you can. You can pick the one you want and it's probably gonna be fine. Go have fun.

[Dan Besser]

I wish the rest of us could have picked it up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Next.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah, sadly, no infinite money glitch on gift cards.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cards.

[Dan Besser]

No gift cards with gift cards. What game is Luke playing right now? Did you ever finish Baldur's Gate third?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

You still haven't finished it?

[Dan Besser]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

You talk so much about how many characters.

[Dan Besser]

How many characters are you on?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Eight, I think more.

[Dan Besser]

One?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think More than eight. More than eight? I'm pretty sure more than.

[Dan Besser]

I got super far through a dirge run and then was just like, I have.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have like three.

[Dan Besser]

I can only play this 15 hours a day. Like there's not enough time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have a hard time not doing everything.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I have this style.

[Linus Sebastian]

Must cost you a lot in Chicken.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's actually a really good Joker's Gate. I even like bears. Oh my. He kind of is both kind of. I guess. But anyways, everyone's player sexual. Off that topic. Frick. What was I gonna say?

[Dan Besser]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

One of my favorite ways to play with new people is to not be the party face. Like make them be the party face. That's like playing the charisma character or the character that will do the dialogues. Basically because I've, like, done all the things in Act 1 and Act 2. My goodness. In Act 1 and Act 2, so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you really just think of them as things?

[Dan Besser]

They're just toys to his masculinity.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're just chicken consumption. They just eat your chicken and then they're just. You discard them.

[Dan Besser]

You might be a wizard. Actually. It could be poisoned, arcane chicken.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So. So my whole, like. Yeah, my whole thing is letting that. Because every once in a while, there. Even if. Even if very small, there will be one little tiny thing that I haven't really experienced before. But if I'm just making the decisions all the time, it's going to be hard to do that because it's very likely that I'll just do the types of things that I would normally do. Even doing things in different orders can kind of change how the game plays. So I have so many campaigns that are in Act 2. I have a few different campaigns that are in Act 3. I have a ton of campaigns that never made it out of act one. Someone who I'd love to start playing with again. I have to, you know, have a house together and my computer set up and stuff like that. But I. I started a game with Wendell and he. This was like, right early on in the game coming out, and he selected dirge without knowing, oh, what the hell. What? And Wendell's like, the kindest, nicest dude ever. And then his character just, oh, doing dirge things, and he's like, that was.

[Dan Besser]

I don't like this game very much.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I would. I would love to start playing that again. But, yeah, I don't know. I'll beat it eventually. I'm in no particular rush.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why would you have to beat it? If you have all your things to.

[Dan Besser]

Use, let's move on like Luke does from his things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You're such an animator.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're such an animal.

[Dan Besser]

What comes immediately to your mind as the biggest news you've ever discussed? What comes immediately to your mind as the biggest news you've ever discussed on the WAN show?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. Maybe Silicon Valley bank.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Facebook buying OpenAI.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Facebook buying Oculus. Oh, other O. Company.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Not that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was a big one for me.

[Linus Sebastian]

That big.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was a big one for me.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Biggest news. Biggest news.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, the Silicon Valley bank thing was big, but, like.

[Linus Sebastian]

It didn't impact you or me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or most of them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What was the biggest news to us? CEO stepped down.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I guess. I mean, would you say it's impact? It's changed that much around here? You can say it did. Like, fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It depends on how you like in. In people's very average Day to day. I don't necessarily think it's changed a ton, but there are certain things that have changed very significantly. I would say tactful.

[Linus Sebastian]

He's learning.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not enough because you noticed. So.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, whatever. I mean like whatever political bullshittery. I taught you a lot of it. And to be clear, the point is not to deceive. The point is to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Evade. To speak without saying. It's pretty good though. Thanks.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Man. What am I? I don't know. Yeah, Chat GPT release was pretty wild, says Camster bro. But I just wonder if there's like a recency bias there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was a bit ago.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So it was the like crazy stream where we were like freaking out over. Yeah, that was probably a couple years ago. Years ago. Ish. I think.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. See what else. Yeah, the hack we didn't like announce on the WAN show though, like it like happened before.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. The YouTube video was kind of the big deal with the hack, I think not so much the stream. We did, we did talk about it on the stream, but the news was already broken for sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. You know what I think? I think the chat GPT1 was pretty big in terms of like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think that's impact on the world. That feels correct.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Yeah, let's go with that. When ChatGPT released this is Steph Dut in floatplane chat. It was the first time in a while where I realized I was living in a history defining moment.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it was for us too. Which is one of the reasons why I agree. I think that's probably the almost three years. Really.

[Linus Sebastian]

Whoa. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That seems crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Charged nuclei 8300 goes. Yeah. Everyone was worried about losing their job.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Jobs.

[Linus Sebastian]

Now we're losing our jobs. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. But it's usually not AI to be honest. It's. It's.

[Linus Sebastian]

Except when it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. A lot of those have eventually come out as like layoff excuses because they wanted to do layoffs, not because they.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is true. Yeah, this is true.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's returned to work and laid off because of AI is usually they actually just wanted to do layoffs regardless and they found an excuse. A lot of the AI replacing people thing isn't actually really like working. I had, I had a. I been doing home stuff. Was at Home Depot, bought a thing, walked up to the desk. I was trying to figure out like is this self checkout or not? Because there was employees standing by like most of them. And the person walked up to me, took my stuff and then did the self check to the self checkout thing, I've seen that did it for me and then just walked away and I was left to like pay and I was like, how is this better? Like what are we doing Scrappy?

[Linus Sebastian]

DP says Billet Labs. No. You know they did one production run of that thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did they? Aren't they doing more stuff now though? I think they have a YouTube channel and whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

But the actual product that I said was irrelevant ended up having exactly enough relevance for them to do one pre order one production run and then never make it again. So no, I don't think that was a particularly consequential thing. Brian asks Illd, what are your thoughts on the future of discrete Intel ARC cards, particularly higher end, given the recent Intel Nvidia partnership. I'd really like a B770 or C770 to be a thing thing. We're hoping for the best, man. We're rooting for it right alongside you. Bring on future discreet arc. It's gonna be, it's gonna be great. If it ever, if it ever makes it. I am so exciting, so excited. I'm not exciting, but I'm excited. Are you excited?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is it because I'm exciting?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think that's right. Oh, stop it. Ryan asks, hi, Linus. Do you dream much? Sometimes. Sometimes I sleep like the living dead. Other times I wake up and I think I'm mid conversation with someone and I have no idea where I am or what's going on because I was dreaming so lucidly that I was pretty sure that I was awake. So every, everywhere in between. And I have particular, I shouldn't even say particular ones. I have like two different kinds of sleep pills that I use once in a while and I like really need to sleep and my brain's just buzzing and both of them in different ways give me just the most wackadoodle dreams. So I end up sleeping more, but I end up resting less.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, I have to set alarms or have some really good sunlight exposure in the room. The sun coming up will wake me up. But if, if I have like blackout blinds or whatever or, or even just not a lot of sun exposure into the room, I can just sleep forever because I will lucid dream the heck out of it every single night. And it's been that way forever. Um, I also have a problem where like, if I get woken up, say like three hours, four hours into sleeping and then fall back asleep, my brain wants to like reset and it's like, nah, we're going for Eight again. There's. There's no other way. And it's. It worries me for like when I'm older, if I end up needing to do more often, like charge nuclei with the bangers.

[Linus Sebastian]

This week, Luke sleeps like a bird. You just put a blanket on him. He's like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's actually so true.

[Dan Besser]

I hate you so much.

[Linus Sebastian]

What's a circadian rhythm? Oh, dark.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's so true. Because when I go. When I go on a plane. No.

[Dan Besser]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You don't know this, do you?

[Linus Sebastian]

Funny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

When I go on a plane, one of my standard things that I pack in my like, smaller bag. I'll have my like switch. I'll have some battery banks. Whatever else is always a sweater. Even when I like when I went to Arizona, I packed a sweater because I'll put the sweater on backwards. So I put the hood over my head and it like blacks everything. I hate the eye covering things and. And it just blacks everything out. And I can. I like flying back from Arizona. I think it was like 8pm I. I am not tired at 8pm on any day we get on the plane. I was like out before takeoff. So. Yeah, that's actually. I haven't heard that before. That's a very good description.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can't, I can't find it right now. But a picture of me definitely exists on social media somewhere of my plane move, which involves a hoodie as well.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I cinch tight.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So that only my nose sticks out. So that. Because I can't. I can't sleep if I'm breathing back in hood air.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah. There's like a. The reason why I wear the full hoodie is because I. I'll like usually lift a thing up. Down low.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's not enough for me. Yeah. Not enough. I've got to have the. I've got to have the nose hole.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I definitely don't mind a little bit of recirculated air. I can deal with that no problem.

[Dan Besser]

Anonymous ass.

[Linus Sebastian]

Here it is.

[Dan Besser]

Oh, you found it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, here it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that's it.

[Linus Sebastian]

No key. Found it. So this is my move. So I actually end up with little pressure marks on the. The bridge of my nose here. But yeah. It leaves. It leaves my. My breathing holes open.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But that's actually pretty good.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's my move.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's pretty good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah. This too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Always hands in the pockets because otherwise.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like this under the sweater, Right?

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Oh. Oh. Like pulling the arm. Pulling in out of the arms. Because I do that one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't actually put the sweater, like, on. It's on reverse.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I see. So you just lay it on you? Yeah, I'll wear the sweater, but I'll pull. I'll pull my arms out of the arms, and then I'll just go like this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't care if I'm in my 30s and I look like a child.

[Luke Lafreniere]

When you're on a plane, you just. All bets are off.

[Linus Sebastian]

You get whatever rest you can.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes, exactly. You get comfy and that's it. It doesn't matter anymore.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know I look like a goof. It's fine. It doesn't matter to me. But, yeah, I, like, basically wear it like a blanket because that's another thing. I find it very hard to sleep unless, like, something is on top of me. But there has been, like, very significant portions of my life where. Where I'm sleeping is way too hot. So I'll sleep with just a sheet. But it just has to be, like, something. So wearing the sweater like that also, like, feels like I have a blanket on me. I don't know. It works. I found a system. I'm sticking to it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hell, yeah.

[Dan Besser]

Linus, thank you for some great videos this week. What was the best part of the planetarium shoot? LTT Gamer Dome win.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, definitely climbing the dome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude. So sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

The fact that there was nobody who actually, like, worked for the MacMillan Space center there to tell me no was, like, that was important. Dumb. Awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The second you started climbing, I was like, there's no way they let him do that. He just kept going. I was like, what? Yeah, it's amazing. What did they call it? The, like, Nexus speaker or whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, shoot. What was it? Not Apex.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I shouldn't have said a word.

[Linus Sebastian]

Something. Yeah. What was the speaker at the top called? Does someone remember? Not Pinnacle. That's not it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think it was.

[Linus Sebastian]

Someone's gonna know. Someone's gonna post it in chat. But that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, really sick name. Mass. Zenith. Yeah, Zenith.

[Dan Besser]

Whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, so. Ah, so cool, dude. I. It's been. It's been. You know what the upside is of channel momentum being a little bit low lately is when people make their way back to the channel after the. The long pause that they've had.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's some bangers.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're gonna have an absolute killer back catalog to go through. This video is great. The thumbnail, really. I don't know. We need to do some more work on it or something because David did just such an amazing job of this video. It's so cool. We play around with underwater speakers that are for, like, synchronized swimming teams, and we, like, put it in this guy's pool, and he's a local guy, and he makes, like, setups for it in his shop, and we tour ship, and it's, like, freaking awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This was funny. Where you, like, bait him into jumping into the pool. Hilarious.

[Linus Sebastian]

I didn't do that on purpose. Oh. Oh, no. Okay, so what happened here? Oh, my God. There we go. Okay, so what happened here is I was doing a dry run. Like, we. We had done a few dry runs, and I was just. I was doing one more practice before I was gonna be like, okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I thought because there's footage of him. Like, there's another camera. This one.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, that was not intentional.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, so good.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I was. I was doing. Yeah. Literal dry run. Thank you, Conrad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I like it.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I was just practicing the line, and I was showing him the timing. So I was showing him how I was going to telegraph the joke because we were supposed to jump in together so that it would. Ended up nailing it so it would look like this. Yeah, we got it on the next take because we had done a few practices. Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So, like, the timing was the. The camera went right with your head.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I actually. I noticed when it. When you guys did it again that I was like, oh, damn. That was actually really good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, well, because we. That was. That was probably the fourth time that I had sort of telegraphed the move, but then I was changing the intonation. I was changing the timing a little bit. So I was doing it one more time to show him how I was gonna do it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did you tell him that?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, but I also didn't tell him we were going for real this time. So I just did the read for.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For him, like, being him, it's much safer for him to do what he did because he can come out and just, like, be wet, and it's fine. Yeah, you can't really.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I can't go from dry to wet again.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So if someone's gonna screw that up, it. It would be him. So, you know, if he has even the inkling of a thought that you're actually going for it, it makes sense for him to go for it. I will defend the actions of the camera.

[Linus Sebastian]

Scrapyard Wars 10 is a banger, if you're into that. This VR one is freaking awesome. Did you watch this yet?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have not, dude. I've had no time.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's. This thing is so cool. It's a VR headset from 1994.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I'm going to watch it. I just have had. Because of the house. I've been. Renovations, whatever. I've had no time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Freaking awesome. Oh, dude, like under viewed videos. This one right here is probably the most underviewed video on the channel because it starts out with this like real footage of Plouffe's car and it's just me and Adam driving. Right. This is probably one of the best intros we've ever done. Like top three for sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The fact that there's the little like jiggle too.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, dude, that motion platform is so cool. So if you haven't seen the video, like, man, what a cool setup.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So wild.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is that incredible or what?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's a really cool video. And like, dude, I. I've. I've made some complaints about how long our videos are now. That's a 22 minute video. Flies like it could have been 45 flies by. Like it's very dense.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. So, you know, man, I don't know. It's gonna be. It's gonna be a lot of fun for people who have made their way off the channel for one reason or another and finally find their way back and are just like, man, why the heck did I stop watching? Because there's some really, really great videos in the. In the library lately team has been absolutely freaking killing it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you do the crab thing underwater?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, dude, did you see the person who like aied it onto actual crabs or something on Reddit?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, the Reddit's been fun. It's so bit of a rare moment. But the Reddit has been fun.

[Linus Sebastian]

It is so uncomfortable to look at, but really funny. All right, hit me.

[Dan Besser]

Dan Linus, you said you're a big fan of Made in Canada. That show got me into the Tragically Hip. Do you enjoy their music and did any of you watch their final performance? About a third of the country did.

[Linus Sebastian]

I have to admit, Tragically Hip is one of those bands that I've heard of a billion times.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What you don't.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I probably like would know their songs if I heard them. You would know their songs, but I never. I never got into them. I. I'm sorry if this helps me redeem my Canadian ness a little bit. Love the Barenaked Ladies. Listen to them a lot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That helps.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Tragically Hip is fantastic. Hundredth Meridian is probably my favorite song of theirs. It's not the most popular, but it's probably my favorite one also.

[Linus Sebastian]

Arrogant Worms. Big fan.

[Dan Besser]

Hi, little dll.

[Linus Sebastian]

Saw them live once. Yeah. At the. At The Maple Ridge center for the Performing Arts, or whatever it's called. Like, Maple Ridge has, like, a tiny little theater that seats like 200 people or something.

[Dan Besser]

Adorable.

[Linus Sebastian]

And they performed that. It was great. They did this impromptu song called I Pulled My Groin. I pulled my groin. I pulled my groin. It just kind of went like that for a while. Oh, pretty great. It's a very. It's a very, if you're into it, kind of humor. Yeah, those guys. Anyway, Rush.

[Luke Lafreniere]

My dad's a huge Rush fan. Russia's dope.

[Dan Besser]

I didn't know they were Canadian.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know who else is Canadian?

[Dan Besser]

Oh, almost everybody, it seems.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Best named band in the world.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hold on. Best named.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Saying it ironically, band in the world. You have to know the story behind it to understand why I would say that. Chad already guessed it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Simple plan.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. Are they Canadian?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. Montreal. Nickelback, Nickelback. Why? Why is that? What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Lead singer guy. I think it was lead singer guy. One of them used to work at a coffee shop and used to constantly ask people if they wanted their nickel back because they'd pay in cash and then that's how much change there would be after they bought a coffee.

[Dan Besser]

$95, you know. 95 cents.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You want your nickel back?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I get it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's name it our band.

[Dan Besser]

It's a very Abbotsford, you know, their label is 604 Records.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan Besser]

Which is kind of cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What a unique named band around.

[Linus Sebastian]

Name a record label.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What a name.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, cool. And yes. Night shift, 31 carrot juices. Murder is a great song.

[Dan Besser]

Let's listen to this merch message. Luke, you mentioned that you're using Godot. What's the most complex thing you've done so far? Been learning game dev with it myself. Love how easy it is to pick up. Shout out to the Godot team.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Shout out to the Godot team. For sure. Most complex thing I've done so far is not very complex. What?

[Linus Sebastian]

Niplus Cage has a late guest for best named band. Jimmy Eat World doesn't abbreviate well on his shirt, though. Not if you don't want to get blamed for everything, that's for sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Most complicated thing. Yeah, I really haven't done a lot that's super complicated, to be honest. I know that's a really boring answer, but I haven't gotten that far into it. Right around when I started using it, my. My life got very busy and very complicated, so I haven't really done a ton of it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wait till you have a kid. If you ever do your Life is not busy or complicated yet.

[Dan Besser]

I think birds sound worse.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, they're not.

[Dan Besser]

You don't go to jail.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, and. Yeah, exactly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I, I, you know, I'll, I'll reference my birds as if they're like kids or whatever every once in a while. It's not. No, that's not like we've been, they've been at the, they've been away from us for a long time right now and I'm fine.

[Dan Besser]

Oh, yeah. They're not gonna, like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan Besser]

Grow up and have to pay therapy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's okay.

[Dan Besser]

They're not gonna have to do drugs about it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They're okay. It's good. It's expensive. That part makes me want to cry myself to sleep, but not the them being away from me. I'm excited for them to be back. It'll be nice. I like having them around. They're cool. It's not my child. These things are different. How are the birds? Birds are fine. They're at like, the safest place they could possibly be. They're fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

In a coal mine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nope, that would be a canary, not a budgie.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, it'd probably work.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A budgie would. Oh, it would work, yeah.

[Dan Besser]

Would it work too?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, yeah, I think so, actually.

[Dan Besser]

I think that's kind of the problem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think that is the problem.

[Dan Besser]

Could you have both of them in the cage and then you could get, you could get like different levels. Be like a thermometer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The problem is the budgie, I think would just die. Like just, oh, I've been outside. That would suck. It'd be a terrible alarm. Constantly goes off.

[Dan Besser]

It would be the everything's okay alarm.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, true. Have you seen the little contraptions that the miners would make to save the canaries?

[Dan Besser]

Crazy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Have you seen those? Yeah, yeah, they're actually.

[Dan Besser]

I like that they cared.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan Besser]

This is really nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Makes me happy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like they needed.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They only cared because it cost so much to get another one. I was like, shut up.

[Dan Besser]

No, I don't care. Life saving technology and they felt bad, but it was all they had. That. Up next, would you be willing to talk more about your experience with ADHD and working in a world that is not built for it? What's your advice to help others who are struggling to succeed? Like you have.

[Linus Sebastian]

Good luck.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Great advice.

[Dan Besser]

Every day is suffering and it doesn't get better.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thanks, Dan.

[Luke Lafreniere]

To the winner goes the spoils. See ya.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know, man. I mean, so much of, so much of everything is just not accepting any outcome other than success and to be clear, that's not always going to work. You might just. You might be willing and able to try really hard, but you might just be really dumb, you know, and your ideas might just be really bad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can still.

[Linus Sebastian]

And it might not. You know, I just mean, like, what I mean is just like trying really hard at something that's a bad idea won't be a recipe for success. You have to have a combination. You have to have a willingness to win. You have to have. You have to have a fortunate situation. Like, you know, Luke and I often talk about how we grew up without a lot of money, but what we were both lucky to have was supportive families. Right. And that's something that is worth more than any amount of money. So, you know, we were very privileged in that way, for sure. Right. And so you have to have an opportunity. You have to have. You have to have just like genetic lottery luck. Like, there's a lot of things that have to align for, for success. But what every single successful person has in common, and I don't mean people who were handed money, I don't consider just the act of having money success, but people who, who earned a place in the world. Like, what they all have in common is they all worked their butt off and didn't take failure as an option. And so that's. Yeah, that, that's it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

People hate that answer. And we have gotten flamed for this answer repeatedly over time. Yeah, it doesn't change.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hustle culture. Hustle culture is toxic. The grind set is. Whatever, that's fun, neat. But then just, you know, you've got to, you've got to define what your goals are.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, exactly.

[Linus Sebastian]

But that's not what I'm being asked. Yeah, right. Like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And there's no, like, there's no. I don't know, there's no auto win button. So when people don't like ado, says.

[Linus Sebastian]

ADHD person trying to focus in order to provide tips on adhd. Well, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Ah.

[Dan Besser]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Doing my best over here. I will. I will never not try hard. That's what I, that's what I told Badminton Insight when they came and did the collab, when they, like, trained me like a pro for the day. So I did, like, their professional training regimen and it kicked my butt. And they were like, I can't believe you're still going. And I'm like, well, that's the only thing that I can offer any coach who has ever coached me is that I will do my absolute best every single time. Sometimes my best will Be trash. And I just like. I won't hit a single shot, but I will do my best for the entire session. And when it's over, I will go have a bath and then I will come back the next day and I will do my best. And my best might be trash again, but damn it, I will do my best. And that's all I can offer. And maybe part of it is just accepting that. That sometimes you're going to do your best and it's going to be trash. And you just have to keep doing it anyway. Because anything else is not going to win. You will never win. Sandbagging it.

[Dan Besser]

Linus Alabaster Dawn. Cross Code quote unquote SQL got a demo. Maybe a while before 1.0, but from the sounds of it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Mm. You okay over there?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wishlist. What is this? Where's the demo? You can't tell me Alabaster dawn has a demo.

[Dan Besser]

You gotta go to this team.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not have one. Well, why wouldn't they. Why wouldn't they talk about it on their website?

[Dan Besser]

It says right there, you scroll past it.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's up. You down scroll rolled past it.

[Dan Besser]

Oh, boy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What are you doing?

[Linus Sebastian]

Where is it?

[Dan Besser]

There, in the middle.

[Linus Sebastian]

What? Wish list.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wish list?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. That's not demo you should talk about. You should talk about the demo. How would you not talk about your demo? Public demo. Here it is. I have to go to the blog.

[Dan Besser]

Do they only have one vlog?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dummies. Everyone these days that's anything has two blogs.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, John actually texted me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, is he upset?

[Dan Besser]

What about secret third blog?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can't make fun of me.

[Linus Sebastian]

I said sorry about the links and permissions with the forum stuff. This week's been kind of a show for me. Don't worry about it, John. Relax. It's okay. Okay, what do we got here? Alabaster.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Don't apologize for anything. You have two blogs.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, he has twice as many blogs as this pathetic Radical Fish Games.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Imagine we have one blog.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so yeah, you just install it from Steam first public demo. What is it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Install it right now. Play on the show.

[Linus Sebastian]

Saves from this demo are expected to be fully compatible with future early access and full versions. Aside from, we hope that you will enjoy small taste of what's to come. You can also already leave feedback with Steam reviews. Oh, I wonder. I wonder how the feedback is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I really leave feedback on a video of this show by playing it now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not going to play it right now because now I'm going to review channel. I'm going to wait.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You're going to wait for full release.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, no user reviews yet. Oh, dude, if this game is anywhere near as good as I'm expecting, it will be a full release.

[Dan Besser]

It's not early access though, which is nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I wasn't questioning it was going to be full release. I was saying, are you going to wait to play it until full release?

[Dan Besser]

It's not even announced.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'll let Chat explain it to you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, understood. Dan. I think he's. Yeah, he's recovering from that one.

[Dan Besser]

Linus went to Luke and it took a while to get over a year too. Quite far away. Fire tonight. It's not even the gonorrhea. Lnd we need the Explain vid. Oh, that's a incoming. Linus, what's your favorite color?

[Linus Sebastian]

How often are you. How many times are you going to curate this question, Dan? I don't know.

[Dan Besser]

You say a color and then we can move on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh my God.

[Dan Besser]

I say it's one word.

[Linus Sebastian]

I really have a favorite color. It's complicated.

[Dan Besser]

Complicated. Moving on.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't have a favorite color. I don't have one.

[Dan Besser]

I don't have one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I haven't picked.

[Dan Besser]

What's your favorite color?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh my God.

[Dan Besser]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What do you think? Favorite band?

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you like Blink 22 or 741?

[Dan Besser]

Have you ordered the pebble yet? No, they're starting to ship the white pebble too.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, that's a question.

[Dan Besser]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I actually didn't get around to ordering one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan Besser]

Really?

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, I'll. I'll get in touch.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Dan Besser]

This might be a loot question actually. Last one I've got here. What do you think? Let's try it. Why does certain VODs like Wan show on floatplane stream very poorly to my TDB using cast for the last 6 months. Even the lowest quality only plays audio. The video freeze frames.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, the floatplane casting feature is.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hot garbage.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Questionably existent and theoretically, hopefully dev time into it. No. Well, neither has Google, so it is what it is. Hopefully, theoretically, eventually won't be necessarily because we will have a flow plane app for TVs. It is not coming soon, but we have been working towards it for a while and we will get there eventually. I know people have been wanting it. We have not been ignoring you, which is a small team. It takes us time, but it's. It's coming.

[Linus Sebastian]

So. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry, there are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oliva, I think is the name. Hydrovion is an option. There's. There's a. There's a few. I've heard very good things about Hydrovion, but there's a few different options for like open source. Other people made apps for the TVs and stuff. You can use theirs. We want to have a first party version eventually because that's what people are going to look for. But there are, there are other ones that, as far as my understanding goes, actually work quite well. So you can check those out. Remember correctly, I talked to the hydro van guy a while ago and it was super cool.

[Dan Besser]

Last one I got here, Linus, the leather jacket, it has that middle. So for the two zippers, have both zipper pulls on each right side and tabs on the left. This way you can use it without the middle. Without the second zipper.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, that is the plan. So this middle section here, where there's a second zipper, because it's designed by AI. Yes. This side is female and this is male. And this is female. And this is male. So you can actually zip it together and make it like a slimmer fit by taking out the middle section if you want. So the stock fit will be a little bit on the huskier side and then you'll be able to make it a slimmer fit by bringing it together. To be clear, no, it is not entirely designed by AI. Matthew from our Creator Warehouse Design fashion team did generate a bunch of leather jackets. And so we did take a ton of inspiration from an AI generated leather jacket. So it has a bunch of like pockets that don't do anything and like little like straps and stuff that don't attach anything. And it has two front zippers, which was an AI innovation. But it took a lot of work still to turn that AI generated nonsense into something that's actually wearable by a human. And it's going to be awesome. We're calling it the Jensen. I actually, I haven't reached out lately, but I messaged our Nvidia contact like months ago saying like, hey, what are the odds that we could gift Jensen one? Oh my God. And have him like wear it on stage or something like. And the AI generated leather jacket, you don't think so? Why not?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hell no.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why not?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think you should try.

[Dan Besser]

You should definitely try.

[Linus Sebastian]

You don't think you would?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Unquestionably, you should try.

[Linus Sebastian]

You don't think that Jensen would like the story of our jacket?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Doesn't have the balls.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's a challenge.

[Linus Sebastian]

What kind of a thing to say is that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

He should do it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, yeah, he should do it, but why would you think that he would not be into wearing a jacket that was designed by AI because it's designed poorly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And his whole thing is that he wants to show off good AI, but.

[Linus Sebastian]

He also talks a lot about AI as a tool for humans to do work. So, like, that's what it was. We used it for design inspiration and it did some pretty wacky stuff. But as wacky as the stuff is, literally everyone that I showed this jacket to in person is like, that's a super cool jacket. So, yeah, sure, it's covered in a bunch of buckles that have no purpose, but does a leather jacket need a purpose for a buckle other than to look cool?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Make it cost an obscene amount of.

[Linus Sebastian]

Money and then he'd like it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe like, make it. Make it come across as like. It actually does look pretty good.

[Linus Sebastian]

It does look good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

What do you float plane chat? Hold on.

[Dan Besser]

I'm trying to.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm trying to find a good. I'm trying to find a good shot of it where I'm not just like behind a thing. I think it's. I think it's over here somewhere. Where do I put on the jacket? Oh, yeah, I put on the jacket here. What would you guys think real leather. This is probably worth? Like what. What would you pay for this? You make a tall probably not at all. Sorry, Dan.

[Dan Besser]

I was talking to Matthew and said, could I request a 1 of 1 sample tall and pay out the ass for it?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think that if you're giving the money to Luke, he'd strongly prefer that it was nowhere near your ass. He wouldn't even want a dollar if it was from your ass. But anyway, hold on.

[Dan Besser]

Carry on. But he'll take a bathroom one. No, I said no. He said truck stop.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Although it's okay. Someone full plane chat asked if I'd take one off the floor of a Japanese bathroom.

[Linus Sebastian]

400. 600.

[Dan Besser]

I mean, I use them for shower water.

[Linus Sebastian]

200 to 300. Pokey Brick, I don't think you're being very realistic. 400. 800. 500 to 600. At least. 400.

[Dan Besser]

I would not real leather, like actual animals.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. 500.

[Dan Besser]

400 to 500 U.S. that'd be like 6 to $800.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think that. I think that much of Chat will be happy. Not all of them. And Dan will be pleasantly surprised. I will say that much. I have some idea of pricing now, Mike.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'd say somewhere between 350 and 450. That's my guess.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a very low guess, sir. For leather goods.

[Luke Lafreniere]

USD.

[Linus Sebastian]

USD. Yeah. That's A. That's a very low guess for like, real is actual leather. With this many things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That many things might change it. I remember. Yeah. I don't know if you remember this. I had a leather jacket that I wore all the time.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I don't remember that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What was that? This is a long time ago.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And for not that long of a period of time, but I wore it a lot.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I do remember talking about this because you and I both lost, like, the fanciest jackets we'd ever bought. And it wasn't that far apart, I think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I do remember that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was called. So it was from Donye Leather.

[Dan Besser]

Oh, that's mine too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And they, like, name their jackets, like people names.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it was Luke.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I didn't know that until I had, like, picked it. And then I was like, no way. And then when it got stolen, I went to go back and buy another one and they were gone. But that was like. Is Daniel leather? Like real leather? Is that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think so.

[Dan Besser]

Yep. I mean, they have different levels of quality. Mine one was real leather. It was the only medium tall, like, weird, not bomber that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because, like, they've got this one. Oh, it's on an insane sale. That might explain it.

[Dan Besser]

They're not doing so hot.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That'S a sale if I've ever seen a sale.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is it only though. There's only, like, one size left, though. That's pretty normal.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. So it's like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it's only in 2x out my inventory size. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what's something that's. Actually, let's look at this jacket, Asher.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, okay. Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, it's my brother's name.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is Canadian. But this is a very simple jacket compared to the one you're showing.

[Dan Besser]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's really not a lot going on here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's go try to find something a little bit more complicated.

[Linus Sebastian]

Speaking of Canadian.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They don't have them.

[Linus Sebastian]

That was a little bit more things so complicated.

[Dan Besser]

The Jackson, maybe.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know he's not, but I love just thinking that that guy's just giving you a thumbs up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What up, dude? This guy, too. This guy too.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hey.

[Dan Besser]

One of them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, that was a little bit more complicated. It's still not anywhere near. So is yours. And I think part of the reason why I think it is is because of his under thing that he has going on. So maybe not. But. Yeah, that's 627. They're just all a lot more simple is what I'm getting out of this?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, because it's easier to make.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That makes sense.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Dan Besser]

And they're also a mass manufacturer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Ah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, good luck, us. I hope we sell a few. And I think some people will be pleasantly surprised, including Dan.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I added the word designer and immediately found a $38,000 jacket.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

What do you got? Let's see it. Let's see it. Is it worth it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Fendi? So, no, But, I mean, that was an impossible. Oh, it's not even leather.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are companies still making fur?

[Dan Besser]

Is this fur sheepskin animals? It's lamb. Ram. It's male sheep.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really? I thought Fer was like, this guy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This looks like the guy from Game of Thrones almost. I don't know his character name or the actor name. So good luck.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is there just one picture? They went to all the work to get a model and have him put it on, and they took one picture.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The shirt looks so bad. It's like a lot of money. I don't like this stuff. I'm going away. Sure.

[Dan Besser]

I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know their names, but he looks kind of like that guy. If that's the right guy.

[Dan Besser]

That's all I got.

[Linus Sebastian]

Our worksman says fur is tremendously out of fashion. And Crystal says, yes, fur is still a thing.

[Dan Besser]

All right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cool. Apparently the British army still uses Canadian black and brown bear fur. Huh. Catalyst says I'm a furry. Does that count? The answer is no. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Bye. Bye. Would that mean you have to use them?

[Dan Besser]

That's so much worse skin, though. It would be ethical.