So I've Been an iPhone User for a Week... - WAN Show October 11, 2024

Summary

The WAN Show: "So I've Been an iPhone User for a Week..." - October 11, 2024

Hosted by Linus Sebastian and Luke Lafreniere

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1. Introduction and Light Banter

The episode kicks off with Linus Sebastian announcing a rare positive mood among the hosts, leading to playful exchanges and humorous interactions.

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2. Exploration of the iPhone 16 Plus Experience

Linus Sebastian delves into his firsthand experience with the new iPhone 16 Plus, sharing extensive notes and observations.

• Bugginess and Performance Issues: Linus describes the device as "one of the buggiest device experiences" he's encountered. He recounts specific glitches, such as unexpected auto-rotation in apps like Jetpack Joyride, leading to unintended upside-down gameplay (08:18).

• Interface Limitations: A significant portion of the discussion centers on iOS interface challenges:

  • Orientation Lock: Linus criticizes Apple's decision to limit orientation locks to portrait mode on iPhones, complicating the use of apps that require landscape mode (09:09).
  • Camera Button Issues: The placement of the camera button leads to accidental activations, disrupting user experience (13:17).
  • Scrolling Speed and Gestures: He points out the artificial slowdown in scrolling and the inadequacy of gesture-based navigation compared to Android counterparts (17:57).

• Positive Features:

  • Background Playback: Despite its flaws, Linus appreciates the background playback feature, allowing users to multitask without interrupting ongoing audio (12:48).
  • Dictation Integration: The ease of accessing the dictation feature stands out as a beneficial addition, although he notes its current limitations (14:30).

Notable Quote:

Linus Sebastian [17:57]: "I am quickly coming back to my old conclusion that iOS is best enjoyed by people who aren't as busy as I am. Because pretty much everything takes a little bit longer on iOS."

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3. The WordPress Feud and M1 Mac Screen Issues

Luke Lafreniere introduces two critical tech issues affecting the community:

• WordPress Conflict: A dispute between WordPress.org and WP Engine arises over trademark usage and contribution to the open-source project. Automattic's cease and desist letter to WP Engine for insufficient contributions leads to WP Engine's own legal actions, resulting in service disruptions for numerous websites (48:34).

  Discussion Highlights:

  • Impact on Users: The sudden removal of WP Engine services breaks websites, causing significant inconvenience.
  • Fair Use and Open Source: Linus emphasizes the importance of fair use in content creation and the challenges of corporate overreach in open-source environments.

  Notable Quote:

  Linus Sebastian [48:34]: "I think that our perceived permanence or the perceived permanence of videos on YouTube or of websites on the Internet or pages on said websites is a lot higher than it actually is."

• M1 Mac Screen Degradation: A growing number of M1 iMac users report screen issues, such as horizontal lines appearing after a couple of years, typically outside the warranty period. Apple has yet to officially address the problem, leaving users to seek third-party repairs at considerable costs (~$600-$700) (M1 Mac Segment).

  Discussion Highlights:

  • Reliability of Apple Products: The lack of acknowledgment from Apple raises concerns about product durability and customer support.
  • Broader Implications for Cloud-Dependent Devices: Reflecting on Fisker’s liquidation issues due to cloud service dependencies, Linus warns about the fragility of modern devices reliant on continuous software support (162:00).

Notable Quote:

Linus Sebastian [162:00]: "Everything is literally one bad decision or one key person being hit by a bus or one infrastructure error away from being a brick. And this is terrifying."

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4. Floatplane and LTT Store Updates

The hosts shift focus to updates regarding their platforms:

• Merchandise Launches: Introduction of new tall-fit T-shirts and the Tech Sack, a highly rated accessory suitable for various uses like a toiletries bag. Limited initial inventory emphasizes urgency (56:52).

• Floatplane Enhancements:

  • Manual Streaming Controls: Responding to user feedback, Floatplane introduces manual quality controls for live streams to prevent excessive auto-switching between quality settings (36:30).

  Notable Quote:

  Luke Lafreniere [36:30]: "We had a player limitation for a long time where for live streaming it was just auto quality. And people didn't like that because sometimes it would jump too much, it would switch too often."

• Exclusive Merchandise and Community Interaction: Discussion on how to send merch messages via the Floatplane store, fostering community engagement and exclusive content offerings (58:52).

Notable Quote:

Linus Sebastian [56:52]: "We are slowly rolling these out, so the initial inventory is a little limited. So if you want them, get them. It's to gauge interest."

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5. Workplace and Personal Development Discussions

The conversation takes a personal turn, addressing topics like:

• Healthy Workplace Environments: Advice for women in male-dominated industries, emphasizing the importance of assertiveness and clear communication to foster a respectful and supportive work environment (60:13).

  Notable Quote:

  Linus Sebastian [60:58]: "Everything is sales. Life is sales. You're selling everything. You're selling yourself to your potential partner. You're selling yourself to the interviewer."

• Learning to Drive and Life Skills: Debates the necessity of driving licenses, the barriers to obtaining one, and the broader implications for personal and professional growth (172:25).

  Notable Quote:

  Linus Sebastian [172:50]: "I think the most important thing I said was the part where I said, learn about yourself. Find yourself. Know yourself."

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6. Technological Innovations and Market Analysis

Linus and Luke discuss emerging technologies and market trends:

• Nintendo's Alarmo and Robotic Innovations: The unveiling of Nintendo's Alarmo, a $100 alarm clock with motion detection and gesture controls designed for solo users, sparks a debate on the company's understanding of consumer needs and the viability of such niche products (148:00).

  Notable Quote:

  Linus Sebastian [148:00]: "So the person can control robots, but they are controlled by people actually. This is why this is on topic."

• Intel's Aerolake CPUs and Performance Considerations: Examination of Intel’s new Core Ultra 200s series CPUs, highlighting their performance benefits and compatibility issues with existing infrastructures.

  Notable Quote:

  Linus Sebastian [170:47]: "The cost of something and the price of something is just. It's objective, it's measurable. The value of something is subjective."

• Piracy and DRM in Gaming: Analysis of a peer-reviewed study linking the availability of cracks to legitimate sales drops in early weeks post-launch. The conversation explores whether game publishers should abandon DRM after a certain period to enhance user experience without financial repercussions (150:19).

  Notable Quote:

  Linus Sebastian [150:19]: "That being said of like all the times in the Internet's history, this is the easiest one to pivot off. So as much as it's, you know, terrible, I'm sure there are services that will welcome you with open arms."

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7. Closing Remarks and Community Interactions

The episode concludes with merchandise promotions, responses to viewer messages, and light-hearted final discussions on topics like gaming preferences and future content ideas.

Notable Quote:

Linus Sebastian [202:50]: "I think we are not dependent on our ability to produce and sell underwear. So we'll be fine. We have time."

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Conclusion

In this episode, Linus and Luke provide an in-depth critique of the iPhone 16 Plus, delve into significant tech disputes like the WordPress feud and M1 Mac issues, update listeners on Floatplane and LTT Store developments, and engage in meaningful discussions on workplace dynamics and personal growth. Their candid conversations offer valuable insights for tech enthusiasts and professionals alike.

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Timestamp Guide:

• 08:18: iPhone 16 Plus bugginess
• 09:09: Orientation lock issues
• 12:48: Background playback feature
• 17:57: iOS suitability for busy users
• 48:34: WordPress feud introduction
• 56:52: New merchandise launches
• 162:00: M1 Mac screen degradation
• 172:25: Learning to drive debate
• 148:00: Nintendo's Alarmo discussion
• 150:19: Piracy and DRM in gaming
• 202:50: Underwear business updates

Note: Timestamps correspond to the provided transcript and may vary slightly based on the actual podcast runtime.

Transcript

[Linus Sebastian]

My dad works in B2B marketing. He came by my school for career day and said he was a big roas man. Then he told everyone how much he loved calculating his return on ad spend. My friends still laugh at me to this day. Not everyone gets B2B, but with LinkedIn you'll be able to reach people who do. Get a hundred dollar credit on your next ad campaign. Go to LinkedIn.com campaign to claim your credit. That's LinkedIn.com campaign. Terms and conditions apply. LinkedIn, the place to be to be. Happy Friday everybody and welcome to the WAN show. We have a fantastic show lined up for you guys this week because both Dan and Luke are in uncharacteristically good moods.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. And they Dan's destroy fly away.

[Linus Sebastian]

Apparently they're in good mood so rarely they don't know how to express it. So they're just awkward.

[Dan]

I don't know what this emotion is. I'm scared.

[Linus Sebastian]

On the show we'll be talking about the video that we did on me taking the A exam and the fact that it is down. We will also be live verifying whether my certificate is still active or not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If it's not, we have to like burn it or something.

[Linus Sebastian]

I guess so. I think that's how it works.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

We'll also be talking about my experience so far with the iPhone 16 plus, which I have a lot of notes about. Oh, like a lot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

What else we got this week, Luke?

[Luke Lafreniere]

The WordPress feud is kind of bad news for like a bunch of the Internet and also a bunch of M1 Macs are breaking.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I guess Apple wants you to finally upgrade.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, that's one way to do it. The show is brought to you today by Supermicro, MSI Ridge, and of course our chair partner, Secret Lab, our laptop partner, LG and our rap partner, dBrand.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A lot of partners.

[Linus Sebastian]

They wrapped our table. We have so many partners. Yeah, we're like an open relationship.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Almost like that one in Seattle, but not quite. We got a long way to go.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's a thing in Seattle.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, have you heard of that? No. Dan's heard of that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dan. Why does Dan know about this?

[Dan]

Dan?

[Linus Sebastian]

Where does he come from?

[Dan]

Again, everybody knows about it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We're all.

[Dan]

We're all in it. There's like a massive polycule in Seattle and there's so many jokes. There's like 30,000, 40,000 people.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How big is it?

[Dan]

I actually don't know what the real number is.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wow. Okay, well, why don't we talk about tech for A little bit, shall we? I originally planned to do only one video on the iPhone 16.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, you're doing more?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I'm gonna talk about it. I'm gonna talk about it a little bit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

IPhone wars.

[Linus Sebastian]

The original plan was one video. I was gonna wait. I was gonna use it for like a month, wait for iOS 18.1 to come out, which is gonna have the new Apple intelligence features, so that I could do one video reviewing the complete iPhone 16 experience. Except here's a small problem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is my document of notes so far.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Whoa. That's more than a video. If those are good. Like, you know, sometimes a whole section of notes comes down into, like, a line. But if those are, you know, not very compressible, that's multiple videos.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is one of the buggiest device experiences that I have had in recent memory.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I shouldn't say it's not just the bugginess either, so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And you're 100% sure it's bugginess? It's not unfamiliarity.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'll tell you what. I'm about to send a file to Dan that is probably going to blow your mind.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You're sending this file through Teams? Is this Teams?

[Linus Sebastian]

No. What do you mean? I'm sending this file through Teams? No, no, no. It's a screen recording or. No, sorry, it's a camera clip. It's a clip I recorded. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just sending a file to Dan. He's gonna play it for the show.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But are you doing it through Teams?

[Linus Sebastian]

What? Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

It doesn't matter.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. The sending is not the issue.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no. It's just a file.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. I missed it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no. Dude. No. I know. Teams is a steaming pile of fun.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I really like, by the way, if anyone from Microsoft is watching, I genuinely feel like I could be helpful if you wanted to improve Teams. I have some very easily actionable, extremely massively improving feedback that I could give you.

[Linus Sebastian]

And look how good his hair is today. Yeah. You gotta take somebody seriously when they have hair this good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's probably a Microsoft thing. Yeah, they prob.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, they care a lot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hear me out. I can help you.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's why they got rid of Balmer. That's why they had all those problems.

[Luke Lafreniere]

More like Baldmer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Luke, you can't attack people for, like, male pattern baldness. That's like half of our audience.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Can you not?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's fine. I thought I was gonna be bald my whole life. Cause my dad was bald. And I didn't know that's not how that worked.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I thought I was too, because I was told it's the men on your mother's side. And my grandfather went bald in high school.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So my grandpa had hair the whole.

[Linus Sebastian]

Time from a very young age. I was like, well, that was part of the reason that I would dye my hair, like wacky colors in high school. I was like, well, I might as.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well enjoy it while you have it. I just never cared. I thought my dad was cool. He was bald. So I was like, whatever, I'll just be bald.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Dan, do you have that file ready for us?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Can he hear audio? Is that something that we can just do smoothly now or is that still hit or miss?

[Dan]

No, it should be. Should be good to.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's do it. Okay, Play the clip.

[Dan]

Okay, well, if you.

[Linus Sebastian]

I've always wanted to say play the clip.

[Dan]

All right, let's see. Let's see if I mess this up. Fate.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Yeah. I take it this is not intentional. Wait, is it playing like four songs at once or something?

[Linus Sebastian]

416 out of 334.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my. And that's not. That's not a problem with your car? That's not as far.

[Linus Sebastian]

I've never had a problem with Android auto in my car like that. So it's. So there's so many layers of problems here. That's not the song that was on the display.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was playing at what sounded like at least double the speed. And the counter was obviously broken. Now, fixing it was as simple as turning it off and turning it back on. Right. But the issue is that I've had a number of those types of problems. Here's another fun one. I haven't Daily driven an iOS device in a long time. And back when I used to iPhone, I used to game on my phone from time to time. And one of the games that I liked as just like a pass the time toilet game was Jetpack Joyride. And as I was going through and ticking all of the boxes that. For all the apps that I used to have and just kind of, you know, mass dumping apps onto the phone. Because when I did the Migration wizard, it prompted me for. If I wanted to migrate my apps, and the Migration wizard wizard is specifically an Android app. So it asks me, do you want to migrate your apps? And I'm like, sure, that sounds convenient. So it'll just like grab Twitter and say, no. It just. It didn't install any of them. Absolutely none. Absolutely zero. So Anyway, I was manually installing my apps and like a caveman, I fired up Jetpack Joyride and I was like, okay, let's, let's play this game. And I was sitting on the floor next to the cats and I was like, do, do, do, do, do. Yeah, I am, I don't know, firing bullets to fire my jetpack or whatever. I put it down like this and it auto rotated to the other side and then I went, oh, shoot, I should have gotten a video of that because it wouldn't come back. Okay, well, that's apparently resolved now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The developers over at Apple are working fast, they're getting it done, but I.

[Linus Sebastian]

Don'T think I've gotten any updates so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That I'm just trolling.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, you know what? I bet it was. No, I bet I know how to replicate it now. Hold on, give me a sec, give me a sec. I think I can probably replicate it. Here we go. Okay, so I'm resuming, I'm putting it down. It's going to flip the other way. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I bring it back. Yeah, it's upside down.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why is it upside down, Luke?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's a really cool level in Jetpack Joyride where you have to. You have to. Oh, well. Oh, I don't know. That seems weird. You'd think it would rotate.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Yeah. You think?

[Luke Lafreniere]

The rotation lock isn't on, so rotation lock is on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, but it will only lock one und exactly von way.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That just sounds like an Apple thing. I don't think that's a bug.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, well, it's an Apple thing in that it is Apple obstinately refusing to implement a landscape lock on iOS. So iOS only has a portrait lock, portrait orientation lock, iPados and actually iOS on the iPad both support landscape orientation lock, but iOS does not. So if you have your display locked and an app forces landscape mode, you can only hold it one or exactly one way.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was going to say I steal this from someone in Full Plane Chat named Unique username, but you're just holding it wrong. Classic Apple problem.

[Linus Sebastian]

The thing is that I'm not, because the camera bump is here. And if I hold it like this, that blows. Whereas if I hold it like this, it's a lot better.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hold on. Can I hold it for a sec?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, absolutely. I wonder, you know, you don't have to ask permission. Right, Sorry. And this whole. This whole orientation lock, I think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I disagree.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Finger connects there. If I go like this, nothing touches the camera. This is more comfortable.

[Linus Sebastian]

You have much larger hands than Me, which to be clear, fine. If some people prefer and some people prefer this way, that's totally cool. Unless your name is Apple, in which case that is not totally cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not allowed.

[Linus Sebastian]

And so we use iPhones as teleprompters.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Volume buttons are up.

[Linus Sebastian]

We use iPhones as teleprompters. And so the inability to lock them in landscape and leave them has resulted in us needing to do this really obnoxious on set maneuver that we call the dip. So every time the iPhone, Every time one of the camera operators, you know, let's go to the camera to, you know, do something with their hands or whatever and picks it back up, it'll. It'll have gone back to portrait orientation or whatever. And I'll have to be like, do the dip. And they have to go like this with the whole camera rig and then lift it back up in order to reorient the teleprompter because you cannot lock it in landscape mode. And so even apps that do force the iPhone to go to landscape mode will leave it locked in the wrong orientation, potentially because it doesn't properly have a landscape orientation lock. And dude, there have been so many things like that. There's a lot of stuff that's really good. In fact, I would say Probably a solid 60 to 70% of this is really good stuff. Their background playback is so cool. So check this out. I'm going to load something up on my plexus. Okay. So check this out. We're gonna go. We're gonna go. Oh, and the speakers are great. Speakers are freaking amazing. Okay. Okay. That was another thing. Did you see how I swiped it up and it went up into the dynamic island?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. This time it goes to picture in picture. I can't find the pattern here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's probably how much you're.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I thought that. And then I swiped it really fast and it like totally didn't go up into the island.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Huh.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I don't know. I haven't looked it up. I will figure that out before the re. I cannot get YouTube to go picture in picture no matter what I do. But plex sometimes goes on the island, sometimes goes picture in picture. But when it is working, check this out. Check this out. Background playback. Watch this. Boom. Tucked it over there. Background playback still going. There's a little arrow. Boom. Bring it back out like that. So cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's neat. That's nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

If you're into background playback, that's a really cool extra background that you can. That you can push it back to and you Know what? I'm sure there's variants of Android that do support stuff like that, but this was my first experience with it and I loved it. Oh, I have a whole paragraph on this. Do you see what's going on on the phone right now?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Camera's open.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

This camera button is probably the greatest difference between how good an idea seems on paper and how bad it is in practice that I have ever seen. In theory, it's great. I want to use my camera. I'm like, boom, camera button, let's go. I'm taking pictures. Boom, boom. I'm taking pictures with this button. Let's go. You can also click it a little bit and you can like, adjust stuff and it's super cool. You can zoom, you can zoom. Let's go, let's zoom. In practice, the ratio of times I hit it on purpose to times I hit it by accident is about one to five. Because every time I hold the bloody phone, where else am I supposed to hold it? It's got the volume buttons over here, the action button over here, it's got the lock button over here, it's got the camera. But where the hell am I supposed to hold this phone and not have it start changing my volume or locking itself or freaking opening the camera? It's driving me absolutely crazy. Yes, I know I'm holding it wrong, Ghost of Jobs. I don't care. If I'm gonna complain about a Bixby button, I'm gonna complain about a camera button. It's that simple.

[Dan]

My phone has a camera button. I don't have issues with it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, how nice for you, Dan. How nice for you. Hehehehe. Animations make iOS feel frickin slow sometimes. Like just every single time you unlock your phone, you need to wait around for that. Oh, and the fact that you have to. The fact that you have to interact with the screen to unlock the phone drives me crazy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can you do it again? Sorry, Can I see it again?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, well, first I have to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so first you biometrically authenticate. I am unlocked right now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I have to interact with it again.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I have to wait around for that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Animation because mine has an animation too, but it's a lot faster.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah. And you don't have to touch your screen in order to get rid of the lock screen. So for those of you who are iOS users, you can just touch your touch sensor or face your phone and you are just at the desktop. You don't have to swipe at it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What Else, apparently you can turn off the animations in Accessibility.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why does Apple hide. So actually, I have a whole paragraph.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Thank you, Dan.

[Linus Sebastian]

On that or.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dan, good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why does Apple hide all the coolest features under Accessibility? They have this new display tech that allows them to go all the way down to 1 nit. And apparently we haven't actually tested whether it can do one nit or not. But what I can tell you is it gets really dim at night. As long as you go into the Accessibility menu and enable whatever this is called, whatever this little sun thing here in the control center. Why, especially if you're going to have the feature in your keynote, why is it hidden in Accessibility? It's like when for so long they hid a mouse support on the iPad under Accessibility.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe it's a bid to try to normalize accessibility options.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think that seems like a maybe Apple thing. I don't think so. I'm going to go with no.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have considered no. Yeah. I have no idea. Android locks them in developer mode. Yeah. But I feel like it has less of them to lock, if you know what I mean.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm going to add a note here. Check the animation speed thing, see if it can be improved. The thing that I'm pretty sure can't be is I'm pretty sure you have to physically interact with the device in order to unlock it. And that's the thing that slows me down the most because I pretty much, like, I pretty much need a second hand in order to. Here, hold on. I pretty much need a second hand in order to get all the way to the bottom, especially on the plus. And if you can't get all the way to the bottom, you can't just swipe here because that'll just pull up your notifications and you can't just go again. You have to get all the way down to the bottom in order to unlock it. Another thing that drives me absolutely crazy is the scrolling speed is locked. It's gated. So when I'm just like scrolling through a newsfeed or something like here, I bet, I bet. Have you tried to daily drive an iPhone, like ever? Okay, so just scroll through a newsfeed and see how that feels for you. Just like you're like, you're skimming ebay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, and I don't know how to go back on iPhone.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, man, I got like two paragraphs on that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I already. I got stuck in literally less than a second. Dude, that's a user error, to be clear.

[Linus Sebastian]

But, dude, I've got. I've got two paragraphs on back because you go back.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, there's, I didn't see a back.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's a gesture. There's a back gesture where you swipe from the left.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, it's from the other.

[Linus Sebastian]

So when you're, when you're like in a, in a, you know, browser window or whatever else, you just go for. Okay, well I'm not. Oh right. I'm not using Chrome, I'm using Safari. I'm trying to have the Apple experience. Okay. So I'm on lttstore. If I want to go back, I go like that. If I want to go between tabs, I go like that. That's kind of cool. I have a whole two paragraphs on the convenience of the back gesture when it works. Because there's still so many apps that use the old iOS paradigm of back is up and in the top left, which is for a right handed user, the single worst possible place to have the back button. IOS, whether Apple users know it or not, iOS needs a proper universal back. Something. I've started documenting all the times I've encountered when back gesture doesn't go back.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you think you could. I think you should try to pour through the accessibility options because I wonder if you can switch which side it goes back.

[Linus Sebastian]

I will, but it doesn't matter because.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It just isn't because needing to swipe from the left hand side sounds less convenient to me.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah, it's possible that there's an accessibility option for that. I'm not done. This is raw notes and this is what I would take into sitting down. Descriptor review. And then I would go and I would figure out if they're valid or not. I specifically have stuff in here that I'm like, check into this, follow this up. Anyway, so here is a newsfeed flip. Like you're trying to get past ads and stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's too slow.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's way too slow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's all. It feels like you. Oh, interesting. If I, if I like preload some things by scrolling a bunch and then scroll all the way back up, I can get it to go quick, but only for like a little, little bit. Like if you go all the way to the top and then try to crank, it'll go.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's still not the speed, but it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Feels artificially slowed down.

[Linus Sebastian]

What it isn't is the speed that I'm moving my finger.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Whereas an Android phone for the most part will scroll as fast as you flick it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I did one flick of my thumb and I got all the way through the whole newsreel, down to where it had to load more in one, just. Which feels way more natural.

[Linus Sebastian]

I am. I am quickly coming back to my old conclusion that iOS is best enjoyed by people who aren't as busy as I am. Because pretty much everything takes a little bit longer on iOS. Pretty much everything I do. In spite of how slow the Note 9 is when I'm not gated by the SoC. So installing an app, for instance, is much faster on the iPhone compared to a five year old phone or however old that stupid thing is. Sure. But in terms of just the interface, you can't resize the keyboard. Why?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can you install third party keyboards?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes. And even SwiftKey I can't resize.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, weird. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I can't long press for special characters. I'm one of the few people remaining on the planet who cares about punctuation. And I actually just literally can't on this thing. Like, yeah, I can navigate.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is that actually not a thing? There's no.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, no, I can navigate to a submenu of special characters. And then what about second sub menu of special characters? And I can.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That. That drives me actually insane. I hate the second. I hate the second menu.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Saying you can. Where you can resize the key. It's probably inaccessibility options. Just long press on the key. Yeah, people are saying long press works for them. And you can resize the keyboard. These are. In Linus's defense.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hold on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

These are notes. They're not done.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. No, no, I'm gonna switch. I'm gonna switch my keyboard. Switch my keyboard right now. You guys are going to show me. What are you guys talking about? Are you talking about like accents? Like an accent?

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's not what he means. That's not what he means.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is super duper not what I'm talking about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hold press. What is it, four? Then you get asterisk or whatever. Like he wants that, that type of stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hold the bottom left emoji. Oh, my God. It is amazing how, like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How much are saying accessibility.

[Linus Sebastian]

How much better iOS could be and isn't. Okay, I'm gonna go in. I'm going into accessibility. We're headed into the accessibility menu because that's apparently where all the good things, the whole phone on the iPhone are. Okay, here we go. Side button, camera, control camera. You can just disable that. So that might be what I end up needing to do. Hearing devices, subtitles and captioning speech, keyboard and typing Here we go. Here we go, here we go. Okay, hover typing key. Repeat, show lowercase keys, slow keys, sticky keys.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was saying, long press the globe. I thought that was a joke, but.

[Linus Sebastian]

Long, press the globe. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hack the world, hack the world, hack the planet. Long press the globe. Okay, here we go. So long press the globe. Okay, keyboard settings. Here we go, here we go, here we go. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Long press the globe was apparently a real sentence. I literally thought they were just trolling.

[Dan]

Everything's so obfuscated.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so I have a one handed keyboard here. I have show math results, period. Shortcut, slide to type. Delete, slide to type by word. Enable dictation, auto punctuation. I don't know what you guys are talking about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So the bottom options to scoot it to the left or right.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why would I want to do that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think that's what he means by resize.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God. You can resize it as long as you resize it exactly the way that Apple wants you to resize it. You guys don't see, this is. The funny thing is it's just like the T9 dialing thing, where talking to iOS users is a little hard because it almost. It almost feels like we're speaking a completely different language. When I say resize a keyboard, I mean move it wherever the you want and make it any size you want. That is not resizing a keyboard. Well, I mean, it is, but.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But not in the way that you meant. It's not a stupid feature. No, it's cool because by shoving it to one side, especially if you have smaller hands, you can reach all the keys significantly more easily. And by being able to put it to either side, that means that it can work that way for people that are left or right handed, especially, say, if you only have one hand. But what he's talking about is completely different.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pugboy asks, but how many people really do these things often? Nobody. Nobody does them often. You do them one time so that your phone works really well for you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm pretty sure I set up my keyboard like close to a decade ago and just every time I've migrated Android phones, it just comes with me. Yeah, like, I don't know. I don't remember last time I did anything with the keyboard, but I spent quite a while, like, grinding on keyboard settings, like forever ago. Found a thing that I like and now I can like, go fast and everything seems good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, man, this is like such a. This is a take that just drives me crazy. Siffrin says yes, it's a device. Not for someone like you. That's the point. I hope they don't make it like you want. That would be an Android? No, it would just be a better iPhone. And then if you never wanted to turn any of that stuff on, you could just. Not just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, just buried under settings. Additional settings are like basically never bad as long as they're dumped in menus. Much deeper in menus.

[Linus Sebastian]

So when I say long press, guys.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I want them in front of the users here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let me explain what I mean. Long pressing for special characters. Oh my God, you're not gonna be able to see this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, it's quite a flashbang you have there.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I know, right? So basically what happens is every one of my characters, every one of my alpha characters has a secondary character on it. So Q is percent W is the little hat. I always forget what that thing's called. I've got my parenthes over on the. Right over here, I've got my. On the A. So all I have to do is long press for 200 milliseconds and I can type that special character.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And like I dialed that in. So mine is shorter than 200 milliseconds.

[Linus Sebastian]

So if you type really quickly on your phone, then it's super useful to be able to say, hey, if I hold it ever so slightly longer, I get a special character Instead of interacting 1, 2, 3 times in order to type a special character, assuming that it's two menus deep, which it sometimes very well can be. And when I say resize your keyboard, what I mean is here, let me get into the, Let me get into the settings for this. This you'll be able to see from there. And I hate actually editing this because, like, once I get kind of dialed into it, I'm. Yeah, pretty fast. When I say resize your keyboard, I mean like that or like that or like that or like however you want. Basically, I mean actually resize your keyboard. Oh, reset. There we go. I don't mean give me a couple options for if I like to type one handed. Yeah, yeah. Four presses, including getting back to letters. Yes, you're right. So, yeah. Guys, how many times do you change its size? That's the whole point. You change it one time. And if you change phones, for example, if you were to go from a regular iPhone to an iPhone plus you might be really used to using a smaller keyboard and it may be beneficial for you a to be able to type more accurately, to just set it to a smaller size and B, to get back more of your screen space. That's one of the things that blows me away about the iPhone 2 is how undense the interface is. There is no way to change the home screen layout to be a by five tile grid. You can't do it. It's just by four. It's like, okay, but I. I don't like that. I like to see more things on my screen. It's like, nope, nope, you can't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

At least you can have blank spaces now.

[Linus Sebastian]

At least you can have. At least you can have blank spaces.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Now we're moving forward.

[Linus Sebastian]

Apparently you can touch the 1, 2, 3 button and then slide into the normal keyboard area to get special characters. Okay, let's try that. The 1, 2, 3 button and then slide. Yes, you can. So that gives you a relatively limited number of special characters because it uses up a whole row with numbers, but it does give you the main ones. It's slower, but it's less slower. Thank you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Helpful.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, that's very helpful to know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pretty neat.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was so disappointed though to discover that. And yes, that works on SwiftKey as well because that is the Apple implementation. I was so disappointed to discover that my third party keyboard didn't operate the way that I would want it to because to me that's the point of a third party.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like if the Apple one is super locked down, I don't really mind that too much as long as, you know, you could install another one.

[Linus Sebastian]

So anyway, there's been a lot of things that have just been a little slower and a little frustrating, but there's been a lot of things that are really good and I realize I've been really focused on the frustrating things. The easy access to the dictation button is amazing. Regardless of what keyboard you're using, you don't have to like long press anything. It's completely separate from the keyboard. It's just down in the bottom and it just works like immediately. And part of my problem with dictation on this thing is that it's like old and buggy and just kind of a piece of crap. But that doesn't change the fact that I have absolutely appreciated that. I also love the better integration with third party calling apps on Android, like teams. When you're on Android Auto, for example, the interface is terrible. Yeah, I don't actually think there's a way to hang up a WhatsApp call with my Android phone and my car when I'm using Android Auto. Like if I want to hang up the call, I either have to Tell the other person to do it or I have to do it on my phone, which you're not supposed to do. Whereas on iOS and with CarPlay, the interface, other than just saying, this is a teams call, this is a WhatsApp call, it looks exactly the same as a regular phone call, which is something that I really appreciate. It's a big deal. Kakarot says, oh yeah. Does it call Yvonne? Yes, it does.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey, that's a big improvement.

[Linus Sebastian]

So that's something that's pretty big. It won't call almost anyone else. I haven't figured out a fast way to sync my Google contacts with it just yet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, well, that's not it.

[Linus Sebastian]

So what's funny is my address book is like. It's like a time capsule from back when I daily an iPhone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I was like, who are all these? Who are all these people? Because I've since purged my address book multiple times. So that's been kind of fun.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It would be kind of neat actually if there would be a way to be like, I haven't contacted this person. Like, show me all the contacts that I haven't contacted in over a decade.

[Linus Sebastian]

So then a purge all button. So I haven't. Okay. I haven't figured out the contact sync thing because it hasn't been a priority. I'm not saying you can't do it, but what happened is they appear to have moved it. So your accounts menu used to be in the settings menu as one of the like top level things. So you could stop it. So accounts, if I recall correctly, and I might be gaslighting myself, but I feel like accounts used to be here and so you had all of your like third party accounts and stuff. Now it's not there. And I think the way to sync it is to use like the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Apparently go under the mail section to find accounts.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that's what I was about to say. I think the way to sync it is to use the Apple Mail app, which I don't use. I use the Gmail app. So I have a whole paragraph on this as well where I was like, if I use Gmail and I had no intention of using the Apple Mail account because of the way they've changed that interface. Let me know on this by the way, guys, did it. Did it used to. Did it used to be there like I imagine it used to? Because I could have sworn.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was just in the top level of the settings menu. There was just an accounts thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sam Phoenix is saying Linus has gaslighted Himself. It has always been that way.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's always been that. No, Frey says yes, it used to be in the main settings. Yes, yes, there used to be an accounts. So as someone who hasn't touched iOS in a while, I was able to kind of figure out, okay, maybe that's it. But there is no other obvious place to sign into your Gmail account unless you use the Apple Mail app, which was not particularly intuitive to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry, one second.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Kin Deej in Full Plane Chat said, I wrote an automation that texts every contact I have. Have a great weekend. And then I delete every contact that replies who dis. That's actually pretty funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry, how often do you do that? A Apparently it's you go to. Oh my God, this is terrible. You go to Settings, Apps and then Mail, and then mail accounts once per year. Apparently that's how you. That's how you add a system wide account. There you go. That's where they've moved it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Isn't that pretty similar to Android?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no, it isn't. Apparently it's not mail. Okay, well, this is so much better. If you want to sync your contacts, Luke, don't go to your phone thing. Not here, not here. Don't edit here, don't look for settings. How visible was my screen there, Dan?

[Dan]

Not particularly.

[Linus Sebastian]

If I just go to Contacts here, there's no way to do it in here because the Apple way is that you go into the settings menu, which of course you can't access from the Control center, not even by customizing it. The fact that they still don't offer you the option to have one of the controls be the settings menu is mind boggling.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Settings, Contacts, Accounts.

[Linus Sebastian]

People are saying yes, no, no, I know. Okay, so you still can't go to Settings here from the Control Center. You can't make. One of. You can make these things pretty much anything you can imagine under the sun.

[Dan]

Whoops.

[Linus Sebastian]

I keep out of control. Except Settings. Look at all the options I have here. But one of them cannot be open the settings menu. You must access the settings through the home screen and through the Settings cog. Then you go apps, Contacts, and then Contact Accounts. Wait, but it would work in Mail too, wouldn't it? It should work in basically anyone because that should be an OS wide sign in. It's the exact same interface it used to be. Oh my God. What just happened? Hold on a second. Yeah, Add account. Yeah, this is the exact same interface that it used to be. It's just that it used to be really easy to find. You're expecting iOS to work like Android? No, I'm not. I'm expecting iOS to work like iOS used to work. So that's not really that unreasonable, actually. No. Add a shortcut to Control center for Settings. It's not there, though, guys.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Use the Open App widget. I don't know what that is.

[Linus Sebastian]

Jesus.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just passing on information.

[Linus Sebastian]

Use the Open App Widget. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm assuming there's a widget that opens any app on your phone, and then you set that widget to Settings.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay?

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's how it works.

[Linus Sebastian]

Here we go. No, no, I'm gonna find it. I'm gonna find it. Is it an accessibility shortcut? Maybe Motor accessibility.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You add a widget.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm working on it. I'm working on it. Translate. Voice memo. Screen mirroring. Capture. I'm sure. I'm sure it's in here somewhere. Orientation lock here. I'm tired of you guys calling. Oh, here we go. Here we go, here we go, here we go. Okay, so if you want to open the Settings menu in the Control center, you go down to Shortcuts. Open app, and you can open the Settings app.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can't be mad at them for having too many options after being mad at them for not having enough options.

[Linus Sebastian]

There we go. I didn't say it's too many options. Settings is not an app to me, but maybe that's. Maybe that's Androidism.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think so. Because Settings isn't an app on a Mac.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

It just isn't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's not a Mac, though.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know, but I'm just saying you can't. You can't. You can't point at, you know, a platform that literally didn't exist when Settings was not an app on the Mac. And go, oh, well, that's an Android invention, that Settings is an app or whatever. Like, it's. It's not like Android invented the idea that Settings is not an app.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. I don't mind that too much. Settings was an app prior to Mac OS 10.

[Linus Sebastian]

Was it really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Someone.

[Linus Sebastian]

I could have sworn there were Settings.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You could change System Preferences. App on the Mac.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Settings is an app on the Mac.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is. That is wild, dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It is still an app, apparently.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is wild.

[Luke Lafreniere]

System Settings has an icon on Launch Pad. It is an app.

[Linus Sebastian]

I disagree. Settings is an app on Windows. Is it? Is it? Control Panel is kind of.

[Dan]

Can you open it from Run?

[Linus Sebastian]

But it's more of a folder. I'd say it's. What is Control Panel Help Me out. I don't know the Windows. Okay, so Windows. Okay, hold on, hold on. Oh, man. See, settings in an app is tough because, like, here, let's. Here, let's. Let's screen. Let's screen share for a second here. I'm just gonna make sure this is muted. Okay. Okay, so, Linus, Laptop. Okay, so this is Settings, but I wouldn't say that this is an app. You know what I mean?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is that Settings, though?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I can change settings, but if I click this, that's an app. Is this an app?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. All right. Settings is an app then?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because it's just application.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Okay, so everything's an application, then.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Close to it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's see. Let's see if I can think of something that's not an application.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's things that aren't an application that you control through an application.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure. Would you consider Explorer an application?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. You can end the task.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes. But you actually can't because it'll automatically relaunch because there's so many dependencies on Explorer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can still end it, though.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, this is true. I mean. Okay, so by that logic, then, yeah, basically any process is an app, then?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pretty much.

[Linus Sebastian]

But is it, though? Is any process an app, Luke?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know either.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't actually think so because, like, I don't think, like the. Like the. Yeah, the service hosts and stuff. I don't know if I would consider those an app. An application.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can replace Explorer with another shell. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Settings on phone isn't an app. What do you mean? Settings on phone isn't an app?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I don't think being able to end the task means it's an app, technically. Is there a definition for this?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think if you look up the definition of app, you're just going to find a lot of people arguing about app versus application, and it'll be like 10 years, 15 years old, when people were still mad about that. I don't think we're going to find any useful discourse about this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, but I just. I want to see anyways.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is puffery an app? Anyway, long story short. Long story short, I am.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Services aren't apps. Yeah, I feel that way as well. But you can end them. I was trying to make my argument on, like, you can end the task. So that doesn't work if services aren't apps.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyways, long story short, I have a lot to say about my experience with the iPhone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He has words. I clearly, you got to work with, like Horst or someone on it though, to make sure that you're not just missing something.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no, that's fine. No, I'm not worried about that. This is rough. Notes. Yeah, yeah, let's see if I. Man. Speech to text. Oh, dude, the way it like proactively hounds you about apps tracking you and notifications and stuff is actually amazing because you can 100% configure all that stuff on Android, no problem. But the way that it proactively is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, hey, are you sure you want this?

[Linus Sebastian]

Are you sure you want notifications? Here's the ramifications of the data this app is collecting. Are you sure about that? Kind of amazing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wicked. Always thought that was very cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, outstanding.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Also, Apple and their privacy stuff is like obviously correct. I don't remember. I doubt this is in the doc today, but I was skimming through news articles and I didn't read enough of it. So sorry if this is wrong, but I think it was like nation state hackers from China or something gained crazy backdoors to something because oh yeah, it was. Some government agency was like, yeah, we need to have these. No one else will get them. And Apple has always been like, yeah, they will. So yeah, as we've said in the past, they're definitely correct about that. There's some things that are like definitely better about the Apple way, but I also have an Android phone and there.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are definitely things that are absolutely brain dead stupid about the Apple A And the fact that we don't acknowledge this is. I just don't even know what to say. Like Luke, here's an example. So if I want to get into my like Bluetooth settings, like I really want to get into my Bluetooth settings. So I go, my control center, I go, yeah, yeah, it's from the corner. You can't do it from the top.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Well, I'm used to that at this point.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't agree with it. I think it's kind of stupid. But that's notifications, that's control center.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Isn't it just the left or right side of the island, not the corner?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's just left or right side of the island.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, look, notifications, corner. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not a fan.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I just, I don't know, that just seems weird.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm not a fan. I'm used to it. Sure. Okay, so I open up my Bluetooth, I long press my Bluetooth, I can configure it. So Bluetooth is One of the main ones that I can interact with right away. Okay. So I go to my Bluetooth settings. Finally. Why did it navigate through the menus like that? Why would it do that? Why?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Seems a little weird. I don't know.

[Dan]

Oh man.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, apparently Luke. They're saying Luke is right. Except I just showed you guys.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I watched them.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, that time it did it. You watched me do it last time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I did. I watched you. Do you just have to be more over. I thought it was on this side of the island at all.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I'm on that side of the island and I just did it. I just brought down the notification shade.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So you just have to. You just have to be. Yeah, you just have to be more over. I think it makes more sense to be left or right side of the island. Not. It's. It's 75% of this side of the screen and 25% of the other side of the screen. Anyways, whatever. I'm assuming that's because they still want one hand pull down to be able to be done for either one of them.

[Linus Sebastian]

I guess. But I. There's no way I could.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm trying to think of the reasoning and that. I think that makes sense.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's no way I could reach notifications from there. Yeah. I mean, I also don't think I would bother because if I wanted to see notifications, I wouldn't even like unlock it. I would just do that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but what if your. What if your phone's already open?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Would you like quick lock and then.

[Linus Sebastian]

Check Getting all the way over there for me though with one hand. I'd have to have like a pop thing or something which I would. I would not install on my phone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't. I don't really like the.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm not a fan of them. I like being able to slide it in and out of my pocket.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I find it catches on too many things. The swipe was designed like this before iPhones had islands or notches. Yeah, but Apple has like a monstrously big and good development team and I'm sure they could go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Eh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm sure it wouldn't take that much.

[Linus Sebastian]

Effort based on how long T9 dialing took. I'm not actually convinced by the way. This thing is causing way more mic interference than just about any other phone we've ever had on set.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Other than my like clearly broken one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that's been a. That's been. That's. That could be a bit of a problem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think you guys are hearing It. But it's very annoying.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, do they not hear that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

The buzzing. Oh, interesting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Don't write Dan.

[Dan]

It might be processed out.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, they can hear it.

[Dan]

Oh, very loud then.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that one was particularly loud.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think they could hear mine.

[Dan]

It was very quiet. And sometimes if no one's talking while it happens, then. Then that'll get kind of gated out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We hear it, but it's not very loud. Okay. Yeah, it's loud for us.

[Dan]

We're direct monitoring.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's like quite loud for me.

[Dan]

Crazy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyways, time to move on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

IPhone done.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Now we talk about how the second.

[Linus Sebastian]

Video, I'll be using it for a while.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, no, I meant for this part of the show. What are those? Are you cheating on your normal ones? What?

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

How could you?

[Linus Sebastian]

We're not allowed to talk? What? Why is everyone so like interested in talking about whatever snack I'm having? Before you got here, they were like talking a bunch about the new like gummies.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, you're. You're cheating on your regular.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're still Welches. They're just juicefuls. They're like fruit gushers. They have a lady like the. Okay. And still delicious.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right. Anyways, my man, you had another video get taken down.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How has it. Was it a month ago since the last one?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So like none in basically forever and then two in a month.

[Linus Sebastian]

So sharp eyed viewers have noticed that our video about Comptia's a certification exam is no longer available on YouTube or floatplane. Without getting into the exact details of why it's been removed, let's talk about some of the reasons that it could be more important than ever to watch our videos immediately when you see them without naming any names.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There are what a spin, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

There are a lot of ways that a video's ability to be on the Internet could be threatened. I think that our perceived permanence or the perceived permanence of videos on YouTube or of. Of websites on the Internet or pages on said websites is a lot higher than it actually is. So some examples of ways that videos can be taken down could be copyright overreach. So whether something is or isn't fair use, that's something that would have to be challenged in court. That's not the kind of thing that is just, oh yeah, well, it's fair use. And then yeah, I guess everything's chill until a judge decides that something is or isn't fair use. It's just a defense it's an, it's an argument. And I think that a lot of what we do could fall pretty easily under fair use. For example, we will, and maybe recklessly, maybe, you know, making an informed, you know, risk choice. We will, we will frequently show like copyrighted films on displays that we're reviewing. From our point of view, we are not negatively impacting the potential market for that film by you seeing a small snippet of it on a display in the background. We are not using a substantial portion of the work.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Have you ever had a problem with that? No, I didn't think so, no.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, what we have had problems with is watching trailers and ads on WAN show constantly, which again, it's so stupid. I would make the argument is absolutely fair use as media. We are covering it. It's if anything, going to have a positive impact on the market for the work. It's highly transformative in nature. Given that we're not just repurposing it. We are, we are discussing it. This is not react content where we're just like. Or chair streaming, you know, like. It's not that. And I would say that, you know, if we were, say, for example, providing commentary on, you know, a class. Let's use the word class. If we were providing commentary on a class and in order to do so needed to get into some of the specifics, I would say that we would probably have a fairly strong fair use defense. But that would have to play out in court and we would have to have both the means and the will to take it to that bitter bloody end. Some of the other reasons that a video could be taken down could be, you know, just like corporate, corporate butt covering. And that can often, that can often take the form of like a legal threat or a letter or a, you know, a polite request or, you know, whatever it is, it can come in various forms. And in those cases, there may not be any solid legal foundation for, you know, why a request is being made, but it might just be that, you know, there's things that maybe you don't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Want to go to court.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, they don't want people talking about and they don't want people seeing. And, you know, they feel strongly that, you know, given enough time and given enough resources, they could find a way to make life unpleasant enough that it's just not worth the fight.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And if you have enough time and enough resources in regards to lawyers, you can pretty much always find a way.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. And I don't know if I want to get into the example that I would have of something like that that actually happened in the past before a video was ever posted. I just don't feel like opening that can of worms because the rule that I made for myself about that particular company is that we just never speak their name again. So not going to get into that. But another potential way that a video could go down is not bribery, but just companies paying for problems to go away. I want to make it very clear about this one that that is absolutely not the case here. For no amount of money would we take down a video. But something like this did happen recently with the emulator Ryujin X, where as far as we can tell, because it didn't violate Nintendo's intellectual property in any way, it was fully reverse and engineered, Ryujin X appeared to be immune to the same takedowns that took down Yuzu. But what. What seems to have happened was the project owner was just offered a bag of money to quietly delete everything and go away. Our discussion. Is it a problem for consumer journalism when companies use copyright protections or other legal tactics to avoid people criticizing their methods and the material they are presenting? We'll let you guys be the judge. We'll let you guys have a little discussion in the comments. In the meantime, what I would like to find out is if I am still A plus certified because this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So this is. This is from last time. What's on the screen right now is from last time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, this is from.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We need to reach out.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is from last week. So here's. Here's my certification. We're going to find out very shortly if I need to burn that or not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hold on, hold on. No, no, hold on, hold on. Still active.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I'm kind of disappointed. I don't want to burn it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think it's going to be active for low. I can tell you that with a fair degree of confidence.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe the flames will still burn bright.

[Linus Sebastian]

I believe it is extremely important for people to be able to have transparency into how the certifications that in some cases could even impact the hiring practices of national security agencies operate. I think that that is an incredibly important thing and I think it is a public good that outweighs any other concerns. I have absolutely no regrets about making the video that we do that we did. And for anyone who watched it, I hope you enjoyed it. But it is down and it is not coming back is all I have to say about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

From us.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's been precedent set in the past that when this happens, people tend to re upload the things well, there's nothing we can really do about that.

[Linus Sebastian]

They would have already archived it because we did not keep any copies.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

So even this. Even the source video files, we do not have.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

I purged them myself.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, did you really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Good for you, Dan.

[Luke Lafreniere]

People auto archive all our stuff, though, so.

[Dan]

No, I. Command line gone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't mean internally.

[Dan]

Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, people have, like, plex scripts for float planes and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty wild.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, a bunch of people have it.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's actually kind of inconvenient for our server infrastructure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, we've fixed that problem.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, we throttled it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, we did that, like, a long time ago.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And people didn't notice for a super long time because they're all just running scripts. So it was still downloaded by the time they wanted it. Right. Because, like, it's not throttled that much.

[Dan]

I had to ask AJ to unthrottle the office.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. What were you doing when you did that, though? You downloaded, like, a ton of stuff.

[Dan]

I downloaded every single exclusive.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So, like, okay.

[Dan]

At once, Multiple times. But that was for work, so I guess you can hit the data.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyway, if you were looking for a way to help us make up for any losses that we might have incurred for not being able to keep our video up, is it time you could send a merch message? And we've got something pretty exciting that you can check out this week.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my goodness. Man. Oh, they're here. They're here. Look at how happy. Look at how happy Dan is.

[Dan]

This is the second time I've smiled.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Look at that. That's crazy. You've never seen Dan the happy. You never have.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. This has been a long time coming. I'm sorry it took so long, but this is such a great picture. He's like, look at this. You can't see my belt.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It makes the pocket go away. It's amazing.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's so nice. Look, the arms fit.

[Dan]

This is a medium. It's a medium. I'm wearing a medium.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You want to see another happy Dan? Go down to the last photo.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

Too many photos, too far.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wait, we have long sleeves as well.

[Dan]

I'm wearing one right now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it goes to his wrist.

[Linus Sebastian]

What the ideas about this.

[Dan]

A medium.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Amazing.

[Dan]

This has never happened.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've done the laundry, like, almost every day this week because I took home one of these. And every day I'd wake up and be like, oh, okay, well, I want to wear it again. So. Yeah, I have to buy a ton of them, I guess.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pretty exciting. So, yeah, we have tall blank T shirts and long sleeves. It's our signature blank tee. Improved to fit taller, lankier builds. Custom made to provide the comfort and durability that we want in a tee. Available with short or long sleeve. Oh wait, that's in there twice. Well, whatever. The point is it uses our tried and true 6040 cotton poly blend that you can find on most of our printed LTT shirts. We are slowly rolling these out, so the initial inventory is a little limited. So if you want them, get them. It's to gauge interest. It's only black for now, but our hope is to expand our tall lineup in the months and years to come. Also for the store, this week, the tech sack is finally back in stock. The five star reviewed tech sack. Let's go go check out people's reviews. Great. As a diabetic sack, apparently.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, that makes sense.

[Linus Sebastian]

So that's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Never thought about that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Good to know. The greatest sack. So many pockets. I use it as a toiletries bag.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Me too.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, not I. Hold on. I was reading a review. Oh, where'd it go? I use it as a toiletries bag for travel. Thank you, Luke. Thank you for that. Anyway, the point is, check it out. Tech sack finally back in stock. What else is that? I think that's pretty much it for the store. So merch messages. If you want to leave a merch message, all you got to do is go to LTD store, add something to your cart, and in the cart, whenever we're live and accepting merch messages, there will be a box for merch messages. You fill out your merch message, you place your order, and it'll go to producer Dan, who will pop it up down there. So you can shout out your mom or your girlfriend. Just kidding. They're not watching. So you can shout out your dad or your boyfriend. Okay. We actually do have women who watch the show. Yes, it's remarkable to me, but not very many.

[Dan]

And send merch messages.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're real and I see them. I see you. Thank you. Anyway, it'll go to Dan, who will pop it down here or who will forward it to someone who can answer your question or who will answer it himself or who will send it to me and Luke as a curated merch message. And we're going to show you how that works.

[Dan]

Sure. I've got a couple here. How do you guys handle healthy workplace environments in a heavily male dominated industry? I'm in school for CS and work in construction as my Day job. And it can be hard as a woman being disregarded.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, you mean like socially healthy work?

[Linus Sebastian]

How topic, how topical exactly? I mean, ask questions.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

It'S not always that's. I mean that's, that's not always a guarantee. You can ask someone, does this work for you? Are you comfortable with this? And they might say yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They might feel pressured into saying yes in the scenario if you are like their boss or something like that. That's a, that's a. You got to be careful with that line.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, one of the things that I like to do is I will explicitly say, if not, that's fine, we'll do this instead so that there's a clear out, give the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Give the other option.

[Linus Sebastian]

I have to confess, sometimes I'm in a hurry and I forget to like do every step. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I mean, I would say, I would say that it's not for any, it's never for any lack of intent or. Sorry. It's never for a lack of intent to make the environment like, good. But I mean this is. Yeah, this is a great point. Poison says, seems weird to ask men how they manage, like making things better for women in a male dominated industry. I don't know. All I can really do is ask questions because a lot of the time I just don't fully understand the challenges and I can't unless you tell me. And even if one person tells me doesn't mean that that's going to apply to another person. You can't really like. This is why the entire concept of sexism or racism is just so fucking stupid. Right? Because trying to bundle individuals into any kind of bucket is just a complete.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Waste of time making assumptions.

[Linus Sebastian]

You will always be making assumptions. And so I know one of the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Main things I've heard is the whole, like, people react differently to the same thing depending on if it's coming from like a man or a woman. So like, if you try to be assertive as a man, people see it as like, oh, yeah, good, good personality trait. You try to be assertive as a woman and people see you as. I don't know if I can say this word or not. Bitchy, probably. I don't know. So I think just try to be careful to not.

[Linus Sebastian]

Am I the one who's always canceled?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I'm saying that's. Oh my goodness. I'm not saying that's a thing. I'm saying that's a line of complaint that I have heard people in that sphere discuss being a problem at their workplaces. So try to just treat people the same. So if someone's being assertive, treat that person the same that you would treat anyone else being assertive.

[Linus Sebastian]

So we have someone to make this harder to identify. I'm going to say we at some point had someone, a woman in, like, a supervisory slash managerial, basically, who had subordinates who reported to her. And I remember having to explicitly, multiple times make it clear that my expectation was forthrightness and pushback, like, to me, and that, like, that was good and anything else was not good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, because it's possible. That's another thing. Everyone comes into every single conversation ever with their own custom baggage. So that person may have gotten a lot of pushback for that type of.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thing in the backlist.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So you have to try to make sure that they understand that that's, like, something that you manage. Exactly.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm not saying it's a bad thing that I had to say it. Well, it is. It's a bad thing that this individual had experiences in the past that led to that not being something that they could assume is there is their right in the workplace to give their opinion in a. I wouldn't say, like, not forceful, but in, like, I don't know, in a confident manner. In a sort of. Yeah, assertive manner, because that's totally fine. And that should be totally fine. And you can.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can say something assertively but still be open to feedback on it, if that makes sense.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, of course.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can confidently hold a position and say it assertively.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And look, I mean, something Yvonne tells me all the time is that, like, I. I tend to overpower the conversation sometimes, whether it's intentional or not, by just being confident in my position, being kind of loud, being kind of energetic and kind of bombastic in my body language and bombastic. And so she'll say, like, look, whether you're intending to or not, you can kind of make it hard to talk to you sometimes. And so, you know, in those. In those situations, it's something that I have to be, like, actively aware of and go like, okay, this is a.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is a modern thing for Linus. I've seen him do it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Here's my. Here's my take. And this is why I think we should do it. But you guys go, I'm not married to it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, and he'll do that. He'll sit back because he's, like, physically removing himself from the conversation because if he doesn't, he can't help himself. Am I wrong? Yeah. It is what it is.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, the thing is that a lot of the time the answer is obvious to me, which is a blessing because I can come to the answer really quickly, but also a curse because I can be wrong like anybody.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. And you also kind of need everybody to get there. And, you know, in some scenarios, someone might get there before you do and other scenarios you might get there before them, and you need everybody to get to at least a similar spot. You might not get 100% agreement across the whole board, but you need everybody.

[Linus Sebastian]

To be buy in.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Buy in is a word that matters to me a lot because whether you're.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Talking, you can disagree, but buy in.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. If you're talking to a supervisor, if you're talking to a subordinate, it doesn't matter. You need to get buy in or you're never going to get anything done because they will either undermine you or override you. If you don't have buy in, you have to have buy in. That's why. I mean, I've talked about this on the show before. Everything is sales. Life is sales. You're selling everything. You're selling yourself to your potential partner. You're selling yourself to, you know, the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You're selling yourself to your current partner, hoping you stay together.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. It's always sales. Sales never stops. You're selling yourself to, you know, the interviewer. You're selling yourself to the, you know, the freaking. The waiter at the restaurant. Why should they give you good service? Why should they. Why should they pay attention to you? And I know it's their job, but, like, be a good customer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah. Because like the. I don't know. I find the easiest way to have service workers go above and beyond when they're serving you is to just not be a giant hole because they have to deal with them so often that if you're just like refreshing and you're not rushing them too much and you're just kind of chilling, like, usually they're super nice pretty much because so many other people are jerks.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pretty much everyone in the world is nice if you're nice to them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, It's a pretty cool life hack.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, there are exceptions, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, there are just, you know, maybe.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They'Re just having a horrible day or.

[Linus Sebastian]

There'S just like your fault. Filthy racists. And you happen to be the wrong color and walk up to them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. You know, like how much you can do with that.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's not much you can do about that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah. Don't be addicted. People who handle Your food.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or I mean, just anyone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. It's just honestly, way less stressful of a way to go through life.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, Dan, you got anything else heavy for us or maybe something lighter?

[Dan]

No, it's all lighter after this. Nice. Yeah, that was a tough one to start with.

[Linus Sebastian]

Start guys.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like our lanky Tall fit T shirts. They're not technically lighter. They might even actually be heavier. But you can get them. And by getting them, you can support more shirts on this store being made in tall format. Not that I have an agenda.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. No horse in this race at all.

[Dan]

Buy 400 of each of them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That would be cool.

[Dan]

Yeah. Then we might get graphic wands or other stuff, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

If these do well.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Let's see. Something a little lighter. During the massacre that happened in. Oh, no, wait, hold on. I'm building a computer to attach to my tv. Is there a good way to have it automatically wake or turn on when turning on the tv?

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a good question. Does. See. What's it called? See? Whatever. C. What's the stupid HDMI control thing called?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cec.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think of a way you can do it. Hdmi. Ce. Is it cec? I think so, yeah. Cec. Does CEC work on consumer graphics cards? Not that I'm aware of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hook up that power switch to that computer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh. I mean, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You could split the line to an RF signal.

[Linus Sebastian]

You go blind.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Power do both.

[Linus Sebastian]

You could buy like a universal remote or something like that. Like, I've still got an old harmony that is like my one button power everything on. But I think they're asking for CEC and apparently some intel NUCs supported it. You need adapters, but that won't wake it. Interesting. I don't know, man. I mean, CEC is such a flaming pile of garbage as it is, even on devices that support it properly. I wouldn't imagine that adding some weird accessory that has HDMI pass through and can also plug in an ethernet cable with a magic packet or something. I wouldn't imagine that's going to work. I have a switch bot that presses the button connected to Home Assistant. Yeah. The fact that that is the solution tells me everything I need to know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I remember with the Fallout Bomb, I just split it so that it played the, like, toy bomb sound and turned the computer on. So you just make it do both.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you open up your tv. No, you find the power switch circuit. You splice your computer power switch into it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You're pressing the power SW on your tv. They're using a Controller. Right. You can open that controller up.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is a terrible solution.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, it's awesome.

[Dan]

I like the way Luke works. Man after my own heart.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's totally doable.

[Dan]

Got a string attached to the breaker for the living room. Hot glue the power button down on the PC.

[Linus Sebastian]

Danthony says it works on Linux. Sure. But I don't have three days to learn how to do it. So that's. That's tough. That's pretty tough. I turn on my TV and use moonlight to wake up my PC. Yeah, there's lots of. There's lots of different ways, and none of them are what you were asking. So I think the answer is no. It's kind of looking that way. I'm sorry. Unless a wire running from the remote to the computer. Okay, that would be hilarious.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That would definitely work, though.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you actually just like. Definitely when you press that button, you, like, put two leads on it that are just. They just short and turn on the computer.

[Dan]

How about a foot switch underneath the couch?

[Linus Sebastian]

The problem is with anything like that.

[Dan]

Because it's a momentary, like, short. Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I turn my computers on with the screwdriver all the time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's actually not bad.

[Linus Sebastian]

You could just get another remote for your computer. Silverstone has a little remote.

[Dan]

You could do a clapper, you know, to turn the lights on and off and it closes the switch for the PC.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You do like a really sick goal in rocket league and cheer for yourself at computer.

[Dan]

Just turns off, Just hibernates. Well, you could disable the power button to like, close down in Windows.

[Linus Sebastian]

I vote for this.

[Dan]

I use that looks like great. Yeah. For my lighthouses. I have.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Now you've got two.

[Dan]

Those, like, remote things.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So you gotta pull this apart, hot.

[Dan]

Glue it to the back of the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Other room from inside the controller and put it in your TV remote, which is somehow big enough to house this. Don't worry about it.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you 3D print a new TV remote housing. Yeah, that sounds like even more work than a lot of the other stuff.

[Dan]

Now I want to do this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's awesome.

[Dan]

Oh, my God. Weekend project. I'll have done half finished, and then I won't be able to use any of my living room.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sounds like a pretty good weekend. Who needs your living room when you have this project to pay attention to?

[Dan]

You just Described the last 15 years of my life.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It could be like Sebastian's room. If you guys watch the fantastic video Sebastian's AMD ultimate upgrade thing where he has 10 million projects going on, but it doesn't look like it. That was very impressive.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think he might have tied it up a little bit for us.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe. Maybe.

[Linus Sebastian]

Question for you. I asked you to watch a particular video on the channel. Did you watch it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

What video? I don't remember this at all.

[Linus Sebastian]

How to get a 500 motherboard for 50 bucks. Yeah, the motherboard resurrection.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

That was like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was a sick video. I didn't remember that. You even asked me to. I happily watched the whole thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

That was probably the most fun shooting a video in a very long time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Genuinely very entertaining to watch. Absolutely. Stuff that, like. I think it has the, you know, the spirit of why we started doing Scrapyard wars, where it's like, you're finding. Watching the value ticker. We have had, historically, a problem of our videos having, like, trackable elements in them and being able to watch, like, Alex updating you with, like, how much money you've saved versus how much money you spent as you go through was mind blowing. The level of, wow, that board is mangled. And then you were able to fix it was mind blowing. And the lack of expense in the things required to fix it. That.

[Linus Sebastian]

Whatever microscope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's like 100 bucks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Under 100 bucks, I think it was 70 or something.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. By the time you pay shipping and taxes, it's like you're under 100 bucks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's not cheap. But you buy a broken board, you buy that, you fix it. Now you have this tool permanently, and you just saved money on the board. It was still cheaper. That was super cool. There's been a bunch of videos that have come out lately that I've just organically wanted to click on and watch the whole thing and was like, wow, that was really good. You guys have been doing great.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, thanks. Yeah, no, that was a lot of fun. And the editors have been doing a great job. They've been putting in the extra. They've been putting in the extra effort on those, like you said, those trackable elements. I think that was way better in Scrapyard Wars 9 than previous ones, like, tracking the budgets and, like, what deals we're working on. That was one of the reasons that, first of all, the first one was delayed, and then second of all, one of the middle episodes was delayed because I basically sent it back, and I was like, guys, you've done a great job with the time that you had. Here's more time. Go do a greater job, because it needs that. And there's another one coming soon that was also sent back to the kitchen for. I asked for about 10 minutes to be removed from it. And then I also asked for the tracking to be. To be updated a little bit so it was a little clearer what people are talking about. But the good news is that the final cut is awesome. They. They finally did it. You know how we've talked a thousand times and I've rejected the idea a thousand times about doing like a PC build challenge? Just instead of going out and buying stuff, just using our warehouse, see who can build the best PC out of like the parts we have here. So credit to David. He came up with a way to make it not stupid.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because you know how my response was always like, well, okay, it's just, it's just like, go get the best thing. Like, that's not, that's not a challenge. There's no way to win. There's no way to lose. You just get stuff and build a computer. It's not relatable.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is it all broken things?

[Linus Sebastian]

They had no Internet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

So they weren't allowed to look up pricing or information or specs or anything. They had a $1,000 budget with penalties for going over. And the goal was for going over.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do they have to guess the price?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So it was, it was an Are we out of touch video? So they had a pretty good angle. They had to know the price with no Internet access. And then they had to. Sorry, what was the third thing? No Internet. They had to. Oh, yeah. And they had to have the best performance possible. So the best performance don't go over budget. You can't research online. So it was like, oh, and to get parts. Because there's a lot of things we only have one of. It was a draft system. So they were given 45 seconds. Team one to go grab a part. Team two to go grab a part. Team three to go grab a part. Then team three goes again, then team two, then team one. And so there were cases where someone got the board. Someone got the board I wanted. It should be really good. I think the. I think David and I talked about it and we agree that the original like 32 or 35 minute cut is good. But my issue when I talked to him about it was like, look, there's two great videos here. There's one that is super driven by personality and there's one that is super nuts and bolts on the hardware. There's only room for one video on the. In the YouTube cut. It's got to be one or the other. And so that's why we ended up. And I kind of went, which One is it? Yeah, it's the personality one. It's the. It's the engaging, fun version. So what I think is going to happen is I think we're going to get the YouTube cut on YouTube and I think we're going to get like the David Snyder cut. Nice on float plane.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice. Sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I think that's. I think that. I think that's the right way to kind of not have that footage just lost to the ether, have people be able to enjoy it because there is a little bit more analysis and thought process behind some of the parts. But sometimes I was just like, I was watching it and I like, I could feel myself tuning out because of how many, you know, first word latency, balancing act of the cl. Whatever. Like, not that I was just trying to come up with something that was kind of jargony, but basically just a lot of wiffle waffling about which one to get and discussion. And if you are super, super, super techie, it'll be really interesting. But for the other 2 million people that are going to watch the video, I think it's just, it's not that engaging. So we had to, we had to give her the old. Anyway, kaboom. Pow. Says, I've never heard so much joy out of Linus than in that motherboard repair video. This man loves getting some deals.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's part of the reason why it was fun to watch though, is like you clearly cared and really wanted to make every one of them work, dude. Which mirrors how you would feel if you were actually just doing this, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

Making every one of them work was not the goal. That was not the plan fair.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But you cared about making everyone in.

[Linus Sebastian]

The world once it was attainable. Yeah, I wanted it so bad once it felt like it was in reach, dude, I would have been happy if I got half of them. I would have been thrilled.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

If I had done half of them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, I think he still would have been profitable on half.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, right? I think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Pretty sure. And some of them weren't like crazy deals either. They were all pretty good. But some of them were clearly better deals than others, which is fine if you were really trying to do this and make money off of it. You could be a bit more picky about certain purchases, but it was the right decision for the video to try to push the line a little bit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Steve J3D says, I love the $50 motherboard video. Didn't like the we try and break things for fun one you posted the other day? We did not try to Break things for fun. In fact, as far as I know, nothing was broken. That motherboard had issues already. They didn't affect our ability to, like, play a game and run Cinebench. The indulging thoughts 1. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not when you sprayed water all over it while it was running. That didn't break anything.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

And none of the parts that we were using for any of the crazy. Actually, that one might have. But none of the parts that we were using were not official parts.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was clearly mentioned in the video that those were all parts that were, like, already having issues and were on their way.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So don't overthink it. We are not about destroying perfectly working stuff here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's been a lot of pitches over the years that would result in hardware dying. That would have been videos that would have gotten millions of views that Linus has said no to. Just throwing that out there.

[Linus Sebastian]

Schraff2k says thanks for jacking up ebay mobile prices for the foreseeable future. This is a criticism that we get a lot. You know, every time we kind of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He might be kidding, but. Sorry, he might just be ribbing you. But.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, maybe. But it's a criticism. We legitimately get a fair bit whenever we do a video about something that's kind of like a. Like an open secret, but like a. Or like a, you know, a niche community. Or a niche community. I think probably the best example of it was Windows 9.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

When we talked about that modified Windows 8 ISO that was super cool and all the bloat was stripped out at a time when Windows 10 was still kind of a steaming pile of garbage and people didn't want to migrate to it. That project, probably directly because of us highlighting it, came under pretty intense scrutiny from Microsoft. Now, I believe since then, they've kind of risen from the shadows with a different method where you download the ISO from Microsoft and then you download a modifier script from them instead of downloading the modified ISO. Because that was Microsoft's problem, you were downloading Windows from them, which is bad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Kind of fair.

[Linus Sebastian]

But here's my counterpoint. I didn't post that on the Internet. I didn't make Microsoft Terms of Service and Copyright and Intellectual Property Protection. And what is my job, if not to talk about what's going on in tech? And sometimes it's going to. Sometimes it's going to make the prices go up on used hardware, or sometimes it's going to draw unwanted attention to a project. But, like, isn't it my job to talk about what's going on in tech. Sometimes it's going to cause. Sometimes it's going to cause problems for me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Careful. We have to burn that. You can't break it yet.

[Linus Sebastian]

But, like, that's my job, right? Isn't it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. No, I mean, I defend it. I defend it. And to be clear, Sharf was disrobing you or Schraff. Sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I think we're gonna have a video coming, and that's actually the main reason why I'm addressing this. We're gonna have a video coming that there's gonna be a lot of people coming after me for. Oh, for that we will be shedding a light on something that is super cool for techie people to know, but it's like a secret that techie people know. And I think you and I are kind of aligned on that. We don't have secrets. We have information for the people. And that's our job.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I don't even know what this is, but. Yeah, I agree with that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Make sure you watch the video when it comes out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because I don't know if it's gonna last.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you know what this is?

[Linus Sebastian]

We'll see. No, I don't think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I don't think so. I don't know. We've been. I've been feeling kind of. I've been feeling kind of irreverent lately. Not gonna lie.

[Luke Lafreniere]

One sec. I spelled it wrong.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hmm. I've been feeling. I've been feeling a little, you know, fuck it. Lately.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I liked the video that recently got taken down because I'll refer to it that way to add a little bit of buffer. Because there's technically two videos that recently got taken down, so who knows? Because that's been a laughed about non secret for so long. But there's always new people entering the space, so. It's also a question that I've received forever, like, since I was a kid. People are like, is this thing legit?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. No one cares. So it's like, yeah, I don't know. I'm down with it. I was down with it when it happened. I think how everything went was fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

Personally, Luca asks, are you trying to get canceled? Linus, dude, if I was trying to get canceled, you'd know. I don't know, man. We talked about this a few weeks ago, so I'm not gonna, like, get into it again or anything, but I. I think I'd be. I think I'd be a little more difficult to. You can't kill the undead.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that's I was gonna say we already came back from the sticks. Like, oh man.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like it is, it is. No, it is no secret that, you know, we have.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You're kind of a bard. You're close to a bard.

[Dan]

I thought they died when you gave them healing damage. Like works backwards for undead.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like it is, it is. No, it is no secret that after July of last year we experienced a precipitous drop in viewership and therefore our business that we have.

[Luke Lafreniere]

These graphs are super informative of like how channels work, what things impact their success and their non success and yeah, I think people would have a surprisingly fun time actually just poking around social blade and like seeing how different channels do things. Yeah, it's genuinely, surprisingly enlightening.

[Linus Sebastian]

So this is 28. Oh, this is 30 days. So we are, we are not there. But boy are we ever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But that's a line that's going up boy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or we ever. We ever tracking back.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, and you can feel it, man. The videos feel good. Yeah, I know I've been saying that a lot on Wayne lately but like they actually just do.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, the vibe. The vibes feel good. I think, I think it's. I think it's. I think it's good. I think things are good. Oh, whoa. Dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What a.

[Linus Sebastian]

What is this? Streams with SARAH announcement Floatplane exclusive Merch.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. You didn't know about this?

[Linus Sebastian]

I did not know about this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

What am I. What am I looking at? This is 48.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What the heck is going on?

[Linus Sebastian]

What is happening? What is this video?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have not watched this. Where did we come from?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. But that was the timestamp we were at. Why? What am I even. What do they have me saying?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, well you know what I think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The idea is basically that she's going to be streaming on flow plane and she's going to take community input on a design and then I think I could be wrong about this. It's going to say in the post. So you should really just read the post. But I think that's going to be a floatplane exclusive shirt. But it doesn't mean that the design is going to have like the flow plane logo on it necessarily. Unless the community asks for that and she riffs on it in a certain way. Maybe I should just read the post. The first floor plane exclusive Merch Live. You can also contribute to the design in chat. Yep. This is the clip Linus and Luke will react to today on wan. But there's an early Access to our fellow floaties. Are we doing that today? I don't. I think we might have jumped the gun.

[Dan]

Oh, I think this is the early access. Maybe.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, okay then. Great job, professionals.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes. We were supposed to react to that on wan. So maybe we should get audio and get that going.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Hey, conveniently, we already made sure that audio works if we're watching videos on the computer machine. Okay, cool.

[Dan]

Told you I fixed it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We did. From Dan's. Sure.

[Dan]

And make sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Hey, Sarah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's do Float Plane exclusive merch.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm Linus and I love badminton. I'm also the average height for a.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Canadian male my age. That's a weird thing to say, but sure. And make sure to stream it on Floatplane. It'll be lots of fun. Uh, okay. I'll stream it next Thursday. I love eating chicken.

[Linus Sebastian]

Starving.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe you guys can help. Drop by at 10am and where we'll.

[Linus Sebastian]

Be making our first ever Float Point exclusive merch.

[Luke Lafreniere]

See you there.

[Dan]

Linus. You paid people to make that?

[Linus Sebastian]

I didn't. Linus Media Group Incorporated did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Who owns most of that?

[Linus Sebastian]

I would never have done that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Who owns most of that?

[Linus Sebastian]

Me.

[Dan]

Oh, that was great.

[Linus Sebastian]

Starfield.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I love eating chicken. Starfield, My goodness.

[Dan]

I think you like eating hot sauce with chicken.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Yeah. It's an important part of the equation.

[Dan]

Yeah. I'm gonna be setting that up. That's gonna be so fun.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's gonna be.

[Dan]

We've done a few of those. Sarah has done some in the before. I think the Gone Fishing original one was done on Floatplane Stream.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think the Privateer shirt was designed on Floatplane Stream as well.

[Dan]

Every Halloween. We do. But it was exclusive.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So this is. This is using our connector to the LTT store. So you'll have to.

[Linus Sebastian]

Does that finally work?

[Dan]

Oh, is it like exclusive? Exclusive.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know. I mean, does it work on like the store side, though? I know Floatplane has supported the feature for a long time, but, like, do we finally have integration between the store and floatplane?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We've had that since LTX 2023.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like. To do what, though?

[Luke Lafreniere]

To make it so that. Okay, so it goes. It's one directional.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So you can log into the store. It's got that one thing using your floatplane account. And then there.

[Linus Sebastian]

It doesn't know. It's beautiful.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Exclusive things given to you because you have.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's the best feature ever because you've.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Been authenticated as a float plane user. What we still don't have is, like, if you buy something on LTT Store. You are granted something on floatplane. It doesn't go the other way. It just goes floatplane to LTT Store, not LTT Store to float plane. We do want to do that eventually, but it's far, far, far, far, far roadmap. There's many things we need to do that are high priority from the both the users, the creators and the people running the service that want done before we would be able to get to that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Got it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Just making it clear before people like, where is it? I want it? It's like, no, it's probably not coming for a very long time.

[Linus Sebastian]

2% cash back rewards on LTT store from Floatplane subs. When? Yeah, no time soon ever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's say that.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That will never happen.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Full plane is too cheap. We would just lose money. Oh, I subscribed to floatplane for one month and then bought all the different screwdrivers in a backpack and then unsubscribed. Wow. I just made so much money.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's only 2%. If they buy a bunch of stuff, I think we still win.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, if they have a grand sub, it's $3.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's true.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And there's payment, transaction fees and stuff that we lose.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. The OG subs are like really not profitable.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They technically are, are they? Yeah. Because certain costs of things have gone down.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I see.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. I think the last time we talked about it, it was break even at best.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was basically not so much. Well, it also depends, like, do you account for like dev time?

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Then probably not.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But the rest of them are. So we're good. Let's go. It's fine. It's. Everything's fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

What about US$10 ballers? Luke? Yeah. You guys are going to be comfortable.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Thank you very much.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Mind you, with how much you watch the streams, I'm not sure if you individually are. Streaming basically just completely destroys the business model.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not that you shouldn't watch the streams.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, you should watch the streams you should watch on floatplane. But yeah, streaming is super expensive.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The sickest combo is the watches, the entire WAN show stream every time and every other stream that happens on the platform. OG sub. Oh, yeah, that one's the like.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's the money. Loser.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's a gamer move.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Not that you shouldn't do it. Go ahead. We are doing fine. To be super clear.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, streaming is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Don't not use the platform.

[Linus Sebastian]

Streaming is very expensive compared to vod. It can't be buffered. Essentially if you want decent latency, which I think we have on float plane, that's a big part of the problem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And the beta site now has manual controls.

[Linus Sebastian]

Manual controls?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I've been telling people in the. In the full plane chat all day.

[Linus Sebastian]

What do you mean by manual controls?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We had a player limitation for a long time where for live streaming it was just auto quality.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And people didn't like that because sometimes it would jump too much, it would switch too often. So on the beta site we added manual controls.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, right. I'm not on the beta.

[Dan]

You're doing real time conversion. I thought you weren't. What you said switching qualities. Oh, for live streams.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You do multiply.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not what we're pushing up what people are taking down.

[Dan]

Oh, okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Oh, look at that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, there you go. So that's the thing.

[Dan]

Now my understanding was that you had to real time transcode all those at the same time. Does that still happen?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Dan]

I thought you weren't doing that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's why we're not doing that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Someone is. Don't worry about it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, basically it's not really. It's not going to be very interesting for.

[Linus Sebastian]

Speaking of sites that use someone else's underlying technology. Oh, no, it's Jack Doherty. We're talking about this Internet personality, Jack Doherty.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is in the dock.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. A 21 year old who's primarily known for controversial prank videos crashed his McLaren during a livestream this past weekend. Footage of the incident appears to show him speeding in rainy conditions while glancing back and forth with a phone in his hand. Before he loses control of the vehicle, crosses multiple lanes of traffic and hits a guardrail. Dougherty continued filming the aftermath of the accident. His cameraman, Michael David, who was sitting in the passenger seat, had his head injured in the accident and later received stitches at one point. In the footage from the crash site. Dougherty hands the device to David, who is bleeding from a head wound and instructs him to continue filming. When another young man suggests that someone else should take over filming from David, seeing as his face appeared to be injured, Doherty prevents anyone from taking over, instead giving the concerned man another device to film with and telling him to make it look good. Some images that Mr. Dougherty posted to Instagram appear to show him posing shirtless with the wreck. Note that he was wearing a shirt when the accident occurred. Some online observers noted that Doherty re uploaded edited clips of the aftermath of the accident, but not his actions immediately preceding the crash. So it wasn't obvious that he was on his Phone. This is why this is on topic. Streaming site Kik has removed his account and given him a lifetime ban for violating a community guideline prohibiting reckless behavior and the endangerment of others. So this is actually what I want to talk about. Have we found the line? And if this is the line, why wasn't the line setting off fireworks indoors?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, did that happen?

[Linus Sebastian]

Not. Not from whatever his name is. Not. Not from Jack. No. But somebody on a dick. That's definitely something that has actually occurred.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did you see the stuff that happened at TwitchCon?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Kick streamers were just like straight up harassing people at TwitchCon.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's very cool. Very cool. Very cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Kick is not Microsoft D Starfire.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not that any form of content creation is honestly like just a bastion of perfect people. No, but I think Kick has a pretty bad rap for a reason.

[Linus Sebastian]

And the indoor fireworks thing was actually not. That was not on Kick. I think that was on Twitch. So I guess. I guess the conversation is like, have we. Have we finally. Have we finally reached the line? Because as.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wait, or fireworks thing. That was KSI, right? That was a. That was fake.

[Linus Sebastian]

Someone definitely actually did it as. Oh, I don't know who. All right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The KSI one or not KSI. Yeah, sorry. Kaisen at that one was. I think it was a Mr. Beast in Kaisen at thing. And it was faked.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, some. Someone. Someone definitely did it at some point. Apparently I show speed actually did it. Oh, says chat. Okay, so cool. Anyway, the point is that as someone who grew up in the generation of like when I was. When I was a kid heading into adolescence and teenage hood, like CKY, to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Become a man, you have to crash your McLaren, jackass.

[Linus Sebastian]

Back in the day, Tom Green, this kind of like, this kind of shock do anything humor.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I've kind of watched it progress to the point where, you know, we stopped doing these things under professional supervision on closed courses. We started doing more and more. Not just insane, but inane things. I saw this really unsettling footage of someone breaking their back back doing the milk crate challenge.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What is that?

[Linus Sebastian]

You stack milk crates to make stairs.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, you know, those square milk crates and then you see how high you can go. Except that the problem is that by the time you're high enough that it's unstable, you're like six to eight feet up. And if you fall onto milk crates, that should give you like a pretty good idea of what's going to happen. And I guess I've just been kind of sitting here patiently Waiting for either people to get smarter, which I'll probably be waiting a long time, or for whether it's platforms, regulators, or parents, I don't know, for someone to kind of say, hey, okay, that's the limit. That's the limit there. It's time to stop. And is this finally it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So operating your phone while driving is the limit?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, the thing is that I don't even know if that's. And to be clear, it was. It's dumb and reckless. And because you're streaming, driving, poor conditions and operating a phone. And then I think that's already bad, but I think it's sort of the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Flag which parts are bad because we've recorded videos while driving. So is the streaming portion bad?

[Linus Sebastian]

It's the flagrant disregard, I think, for any kind of consequences after the fact.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's the impossible thing to measure.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it's. You're right. It's. It's totally impossible to measure. I mean, it's a. It's a compound problem, I think. Context menu, I think kind of nailed it. Any one of those things, you know, I would say is compared to the kind of stuff people. Other people are streaming online. Right. Because we're not talking about whether those things were wrong and bad. Absolutely wrong and bad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What we're talking about streaming while driving. Wrong and bad.

[Linus Sebastian]

The line. I don't think it has to be. I think if you have a fixed GoPro on your dash and you're.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's basically the same thing as like.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's basically Comedians in Cars or whatever, like Seinfeld. Like, I don't think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because I don't think we. I don't think I've ever been in a compromised position driving around for Scrapyard Wars.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It hasn't.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's this. There's this like super low budget Canadian show that I only know about because it was on while I was in a dentist chair and I couldn't get away from it. It's called like Cash Cab or something like that. Yeah. Here we go. Is it. Oh, my God. It's an American show. It's actually a whole thing. Well, there was a. There was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have no idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, well, it was definitely on a Canadian channel and they were definitely driving around a Canadian city. And it was like the production value was garbage. So I think it must have been like a Canadian ripoff of it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah. Cash Cab, Canadian game show. It's called the same thing, but there's a Canadian one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And it's like, probably worse because it seemed pretty bad anyway.

[Luke Lafreniere]

200 plus episodes, eight seasons.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Whoa.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, the Canadian one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyway, you're really trying to get canceled. Come on. Okay, look, I'm not saying that. Okay, the point is. The point is that clearly they're driving and, like doing a trivia show. So it can be done.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

But not in poor conditions. Not while also texting. Not while.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not in poor conditions. So you can't. Like, this is. I think this is the line I keep coming back to is like, does that mean that we can't film for Scrapyard wars while driving when it's raining? Because, like, I don't personally see the difference between streaming and recording a vod.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think we'd have to use our game sense. No, there's a big difference between streaming and recording a vod. Because with streaming. Okay, here, I'll show you the difference between streaming and recording a vod.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. Well, no, because you don't have to go on your phone.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm showing you the difference.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You don't have to go on your phone.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I'm showing you the difference. Okay, so continuing with the show, I can take a break.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Gotcha.

[Linus Sebastian]

If I. If I need my focus.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You just be a bad streamer and take a break, though.

[Linus Sebastian]

But you won't, because when you're streaming. Right, but how many. What's your. What's your typical concurrence? Okay. Like, you're not fighting algorithmically for relevance. Really, you don't care. And so when you're streaming, there's this constant pressure to be on, to be talking about something, to be changing the subject, to be, you know, changing what people are looking at. Oh, my God, it's producer Dan. Oh. And he's gone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But like, I think that's. I think that that's my. Where I said, like, you don't have to go on your phone because, like, if you're streaming, you're going to want to see chat. But someone else could see chat. Someone else could be producing, someone else could be doing these other things. Someone else could be making sure that there isn't gaps in the entertainment of the stream.

[Linus Sebastian]

But that's the problem is they didn't. So it's a compound problem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Samet has streamed while drifting and not had a problem.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And so I'm not saying that just being on stream is necessarily a problem, but you have to have the game sense. And that, to me, is the difference. With a vod. With a vod, I think it's easier to turn on your game sense and Go. Okay, I got an update for you. We got to merge onto the highway. Let's do it when we're on the highway. Because I've had that kind of back and forth with my camera operator where, okay, one example was I was going somewhere where I didn't want to dox the person I was traveling to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I've done that.

[Linus Sebastian]

And so I was like, okay, I've got to write down there's a few things I want to address in this next clip, if you can note those down. And then I'm going to turn around on this highway so that from the last shot that they see, we'll be going in like two different directions. And it's going to be super bamboozly points. If anybody, like, noticed that in the video, it was pretty funny. Anyway, so. So let's do that. And then. And then. You know what? I'm not going to. I'm not going to lie to you guys, especially because in earlier Scrapyard wars, you guys probably saw me on my phone while I was driving anyway. So I'll like, glance at it and then. Okay, let's do the clip while we're just cruising at highway speed. I am a very defensive driver, so I will. I will typically not have anyone on either side of me. I will always accelerate past someone or break to be behind them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, I never had someone feel so uncomfortable.

[Linus Sebastian]

I hate it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my God.

[Linus Sebastian]

I apparently got a ticket and left it in. I forgot about that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't remember that at all.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's hilarious. Anyway, so. So I tend to be a very defensive driver. That doesn't. I'm not saying good driver, guys. I'm saying defensive driver. I don't like to be near other things that are moving. And so if I'm at cruising speed and there's nobody near me, no, I don't think that it's going to be the end of the world if I glance toward my glimpse for a second or two for emphasis or for whatever it is that I'm doing. Hosting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Same thing as glancing towards your passenger, which everybody does.

[Linus Sebastian]

But streaming is, in my mind, a different beast. Unless you're really in a mindset where you are. You're not trying to be on the whole time, but so many streamers are. They're trying to be constantly engaging.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You probably are trying to constantly be engaging because that's how you perform in the streaming world, which makes sense.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sigma Salt says unless you're ignoring chat, it's over the line, 100%. I think that's honestly A pretty good point.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Where'd it go?

[Linus Sebastian]

Having his friend recording the Aftermath while bleeding also didn't help.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, Crystal D said, but the issue was speeding, looking at his phone and doing that while hydroplaning. And I understand that. My point is that if we, if we try to draw a line, but the line is like, I don't know, then it's not a line. So we need to define the things that cross the line. So like, you're saying, like, maybe streaming sites should ban streaming while driving.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. Being the driver, I mean, can we.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't necessarily think it's inherently a problem.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I am 100% certain that even if I tried to be consistently entertaining, I could stream and drive at the same time, no problem. I'm 100% confident you wouldn't be able.

[Linus Sebastian]

To be engaging and entertaining though, with.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Other people in the car.

[Linus Sebastian]

Though with the other people in the car. Easy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Easy peasy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If there's no one else in the car. I do agree with you.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because then you're, you know, you're not reading chat unless you're doing something like. Unless you're like a rally driver, a drift car person, some doing something unique. If you're driving through a city. Unless your stream literally is like pov. Driving through city.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Then yeah. I don't know. Try it. I. I think I like literally have. I. I've streamed while snowboarding. Like I've done weird stuff and it's never been an issue for me, but I also have never had that be my career, so I have never cared. And if I needed to not be entertaining for a while, I would just not be entertaining for a while. So I also have that benefit, which isn't fair. Yeah. Is the line just like committing a crime while streaming? I'm. That's effectively the line for flow plane. You can't break the law.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's what we did. So. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I guess there's just a lot of things that like, are horrible but. And stupid but not a crime. Like, I know I come back to this a fair bit, but it was just so egregious. Like when Dr. Disrespect was streaming from the bathroom. I think it was at TwitchCon or whatever. It was like, I don't think that's technically illegal necessarily, but it just shouldn't have to be, you know, you shouldn't have to make that law. It should just be kind of obvious. And I guess that's the problem for me is that. That we've got people just pushing the boundaries of what's based on what is legal rather than what is kind of necessary and okay to do. People are saying it's illegal, as far as I'm aware. Okay, maybe it is to record in a bathroom. You know, like, why was this a permanent ban then? And why was that a temporary ban? I mean, he ultimately did end up permanently banned anyway, but for a different thing, I think. Oh, yeah, it was for something else. I don't know, man. And like, should. Okay, should Jack Doherty be able to, you know, come back on Twitch or come back streaming on YouTube? Like should, should. Because I know that YouTube has policies around off platform behavior. You don't necessarily have to do something on YouTube to be banned from YouTube.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, is this. Should this just be the end? Because I don't know, guys. For some reason, I don't feel like the audience will discipline this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, no, they'll. Traditionally, they reward it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I've seen people come back from worse. I don't know. When we're way up here, it's hard to tell what's farther and what's not farther over the line. Like, stuff that's just obviously wrong.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If people were still watching this guy after all the stuff that he's done in the past, I don't think this is going to stop them. If anything, this was probably top tier premium content, which is the reason why we're talking about it now. And the whole freaking Internet has talked about it. And he's getting more press than he's ever gotten before, despite all the crazy, deplorable things he's done in the past.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'd never heard of him, I'll tell you that much.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have. And if he's able to be platformed somewhere, he'll get tons of views. This is not. This is not generally penalized by the Internet audience. There's some people that would be like, I would. Yeah, but you weren't watching him. Yeah, like, it's not you. I don't know is what it is.

[Linus Sebastian]

I worry about the kind of stuff that, like, not my kids because they, like, I have access to their watch history. I know what they're watching, but, like, what their peers are watching.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What if they delete stuff?

[Linus Sebastian]

They are. They have demonstrated their truthfulness elsewhere where it wouldn't be possible enough. And as far as they know, I can access things they delete as far as they know right now. In time, they'll figure things out better and, you know, I won't be able to rely on that. But for now, even in cases where I can't prove it and where I don't necessarily have the power to know exactly what happened, they have shown themselves to be extremely honest. And I, and I mean that as a parent with my eyes completely wide open, who knows that children are just little human who lie, cheat, steal, and will even kill. They're humans. They're just people. They're just smaller.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm not saying this to say that the other ones aren't. I've just spent more time with this one. And he's older, but little man is definitely intelligent and clever enough to figure it out if he wanted to.

[Linus Sebastian]

And he has bypassed parental controls before and we have talked about it and he did get busted, and that's why he thinks that I know, because I did catch him before and it was a pretty clever workaround that I was not aware of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is it bad that I'm, like, a little proud? We can move on?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, man, I forget, I actually forget what exactly the workaround was. I think it was, I think it was that the, the screen time wasn't counted. If you, like, quickly locked and unlocked the phone or something like that, or like, I forget what it was, but it was a, it was a pretty clever workaround. But, yeah, no, I, I, he's at the age now where instead of the conversation being, you need to be 100 honest all the time, the conversation is, you need to learn the importance of honesty, and you need to be man enough to be honest at times when it's hard. But no, I don't expect you to tell the truth to absolutely everyone in your life 100% of the time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And eventually you need to learn a lesson that you shouldn't.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Eventually you're going to need to learn to hold your cards closer to your chest. So we've, we've, he's headed into adolescent lessons then we've started to have those conversations instead of just, I mean, it's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, there's appropriate time.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's like physics, right. Where you learn the laws of it and then.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But you're ignoring air resistance and everything.

[Linus Sebastian]

You learned was wrong.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then you learn that everything you learned then was wrong. And then you learned that everything you learned then was wrong. Right. Like, like, you know, the early conversations with your kids are, you know, it, it doesn't, it doesn't matter if you win or lose, as long as you try your best. Well, you know, probably about a year ago, maybe between a year and a year and a half ago, I had to have the first conversation with my son, so it's coming real soon. For my eldest daughter, that was like, hey, what I told you, that's actually bullshit. In life, it matters if you win. If you didn't win, you lost. And if you tried really hard, you still lost. And, you know, I think it was. I think it was after a tournament or something. And he was like, I was tired and to make my point, and I brought up like some. Someone who lost, like a major match. And I was like, hey, look, have you seen this on the results? It says that the score was this, but this guy was tired here, look. And he goes. It doesn't say that. I said, yeah, exactly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

It doesn't say his tummy hurt, because nobody cares. At some point, you're going to need to win and it's not going to matter. Nothing else is going to matter. If you want to win, then you're going to have to leave everything else at the door.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And you can. You can understand as well. Like, you can basically decide that it's not worth the effort that, you know, that you might have to put into this thing in order to win. And you can be like, okay, I'm going to accept that. I'm at a certain level of casualness with this thing. But if you're like, no, this is. This is my thing. I must win, then it's like, well, then win. Yeah, put in the effort.

[Linus Sebastian]

So, yeah, we, you know, and I think we were also having the conversation about, like, school as well. It's like, look, you're right. You can. You can get a good enough grade, but at some point you're going to have to decide if good enough is good enough or if you want to excel. Because, like, let's. Let's be real. Our kids have ended up with a really interesting mix of, well, their parents, obviously, right? Because that's like how genetics work. And they've got this fascinating sort of spectrum that they sit on between the things that are great about my mind, which is sort of this raw, creative dragon energy, and things that are great about Yvonne's mind, which is this spectacular attention to detail. And I think they have a lot of potential, but I think they have a lot of the same challenges that I had and she had and that she figured out and that I didn't until a lot later, and that's that it's hard to learn to work hard when you don't have to. And Yvonne figured it out still when she was still in elementary school, like when she was pretty early she went, they. When they. Basically when they started giving out letter grades was. And she got Bs. And she was like, excuse me, what the fuck? I thought I was an A student and kind of cleaned up her act. Got it. Whereas for me, I don't know, I cleaned it up in late grade nine, I think. But then I completely fell apart when I started dating. Just, just. Yeah, not focused. Like flunked out of university, like hard.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think I really got it until I landed at bcit because I would get really like touchy about my teachers. Like, I had a terrible grade in English for reasons that are probably self explanatory at this point. Until I got an English teacher.

[Linus Sebastian]

Blonde.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Until I got an English teacher that was just an absolute badass. Mr. Thompson. Fantastic. And then my English grade cranked and I got into AP English out of nowhere. I was like barely passing for my whole life. And then I got a high A and then AP English the next year.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then he was a professional writer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For a while, which was a choice. And then. And that was kind of similar for a lot of different things in school where like, if I had a good teacher, I would get like dialed in and do super well. But if I had a bad teacher, I had this like, well, I don't like that teacher. I'm not going to try. Which is stupid.

[Linus Sebastian]

Panda asks made my brain happy. Hey, Linus, have any of your kids displayed ADHD traits? What do you think? I mean, I don't know, man. It's one of those things where it's like neurodivergence, right? And I think that if you want.

[Luke Lafreniere]

To be at a certain level of excellence in certain things, you probably have to be on extremes somewhere.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're probably on some kind of spectrum of some sort.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

And, and it's one of those things where like I've. I've had conversations with people where they're like, okay, yeah, Linus, but I don't feel bad for you because for you, you know, the hyper focus and sort of the inability to, to pay attention to one thing for a long time and you kind of like are. You go off on these tangents. It's like a superpower. And, and you know, for me it's not like that. And it's like, yeah, but at some point you're going to have to decide if you want to make excuses or if you want to win.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was a. Yeah, that was a lesson I got from my physics teacher.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I won't name him because not a Lot of people are stoked about this lesson. But it was interesting at the time where there was someone in class. There was someone in class. I have certain, you know, I can't read all that great. But someone in class had a. Some form of learning disability. I don't remember what it was. And it was constant. Right. Every single class, when we broke it into doing work, this person requested help and the teacher would help them. Never a problem with that. And then they asked for. I think they asked for something else. It was like a lower required grade to pass the class or something like that. And he drew, like, an extremely hard line. And he was like, no, because when you leave, this will never be a thing. So, like, you got to figure it out now. But he's like, I'm here at all times to help.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But, like, you know, I can. I can help you after class. I can help you on lunch. I can help you on various other breaks. If you take a spare period, I can help you during that. If I have time. I can potentially help you outside of class. Like, I can give you everything. But you have to pass the same bar. And overhearing that, because you could. They were like, talking in the corner. Right. But you could kind of still hear it. Overhearing that, I was like, huh, Okay. I need to kind of shut up about my reading thing and, like, figure it out.

[Linus Sebastian]

And to be clear, shut up and figure it out isn't the right way either.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not always.

[Linus Sebastian]

Get support.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Talk to people, you know, get a diagnosis, you know, find resources.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For me, it was the right thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yes. And that's fine. But your way, Your path might be totally different.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Very.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, your path is probably going to be very different.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It might also inform, like, you know, maybe you should do a slightly different thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think the. Our generation was hammered with the, like, everyone can do anything.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can be anything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, literally, we were told we could be astronauts.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I cannot be an astronaut. If I had focused every ounce of my being on being an astronaut from the age of two, I would be no closer to space than I am right now. And that is exactly five feet, six inches off of the Earth. Five, nine if I jump.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. And I think. Honestly, I think that advice was. Was kind of poisonous.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I think so, too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I think sometimes recognizing, like, okay, I am. I am clearly not good at this thing, even if I like it. Well, there's practically infinite other possibilities in the world. Maybe I should find something else that I like and I can do.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, that was something That I really struggled with so many options. We weren't exposed to that much. At least. Least I wasn't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it was like, do you want to be a tradesperson, a policeman, a firefighter, an astronaut or a teacher?

[Linus Sebastian]

Don't forget.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And like, so I just thought I wanted to be a teacher because I was like, I don't know. My mom's a teacher, stepdad's a teacher, my aunt's a teacher. Every adult in my life.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, I just listed all the things.

[Linus Sebastian]

My teachers are all teachers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I didn't know what people went to business school for until I was in, like, high school. I was like, what do you mean? You just do, like, these things? Yeah, because it's all anyone would ever tell you.

[Linus Sebastian]

You just have a boss and you just do what they tell you, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah. Like, I know. I was. Oh, okay. Yeah. You know, you figure it out eventually. But it was. It was a weird time in regards to communication of what, like, schools and teachers were telling you you could. You could do when you grew up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dwindling says, I still don't know what people go to business school for. I think it's for our common sense education. Honestly, a lot of what people seem to cover there is just, like, how to interact with people, how to. How to do basic analysis, how to generate valuable communication. I know, I know. How to generate a report.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude, it's such a huge problem.

[Linus Sebastian]

How to do a meeting, how to sell. It all comes back.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You were talking earlier in the show about how you have to be selling all the time. These are. These are genuinely very valuable things.

[Linus Sebastian]

Always be closing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Um, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Conversely, if you find a way to do. Find a way to love what. See, reading problems. If you find a way to love what does work. Surrounding yourself with others. Okay, I can't read that properly, but yeah, I mean, there's. There's alternatives to everything, right? Like, there's. There's a guy who. Who doesn't have any arms and is a race car drifting person. I think he does literally formula drift. And he doesn't have arms. He steers the wheel with one of his legs and then he manages all the pedals with his other leg. Amazing. Super sick. Made it work. There's routes, for sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

I saw this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But you also have to understand that was way harder for him than anybody else. And there was no.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, I saw this incredible video of a mom with no arms lifting her baby onto. Into a seat and then, like, out of it and stuff with her legs.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's so sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just like, from, like from a. From a chair position. Like being an absolute badass supermodel without arms.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But like. Yeah, yeah. And like, it sucks that that's harder for her for sure. But I think wallowing in self pity over it isn't gonna help.

[Linus Sebastian]

Might help.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Might help.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

It could. You won't know unless you try. Go ahead, try. Let's see. Let's see if it helps. Go ahead.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. All right, what are we doing?

[Linus Sebastian]

I just want to make it clear that everything that Luke and I say comes with a little bit of survivorship bias as well. Obviously, we have powered through and succeeded in our respective fields. And so, you know, it's easy for us to say, hey, this works great. But. But I think the most important thing I said was the part where I said, learn about yourself. Find yourself. Know yourself.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Seek out a diagnosis, Seek out strategies, Seek out support.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And if.

[Linus Sebastian]

Find your own path.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If what if the path that you're on isn't working, understand that you can almost certainly find another path. I think that's the biggest thing for me. It's like there's. There's things that I wanted to do when I was growing up that I was able to self recognize. Like, this just isn't a good route for me.

[Linus Sebastian]

And there's ways to win that are not being an astronaut.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And that's okay. You don't have to win that hard, dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The. The need for. Oh, man. If you get into, as far as I can tell, literally any trade in bc, you will just kill it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

My goodness, Roy. Like, it's. It's. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And not all of them are like excruciating pain and like. Yeah. Like requiring a ton of strength.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, there's a lot of tools that are coming out that are. That can help assist with that type of stuff in really cool ways.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, if you don't. Even if you don't like getting dirty, being electrician, you know, if you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Some of them still get dirty.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Some of them still get dirty. But there's definitely a lot of jobs where you don't get as dirty. Like, you don't. You don't have to do, you know, residential youl know, plumbing repair. You know, like, there's. Yeah, there's lots of traits is the point that I'm trying to make.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Here's tons.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hold on. There was something here that I thought was really funny. Stay the path says I can't help but feel like they're talking directly to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry. 1987 Datson in full playing chat said I'm a lineman in the States. I make over 200k a year. The trades of the way. I didn't even go to college. 200k year US.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. That's like real money.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey. Yeah. Like I don't know. There's. There's routes. There's routes. A lot of like people. People troll garbage men all the time, dude. They make cash.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And a lot of, A lot of the garbage routes. This was.

[Linus Sebastian]

You mean sanitation professional.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure, whatever. A lot of the sanitation professional routes, as far as I've heard, are based on completion, not time. So you'll notice how they often work really fast. Oh yeah, they get paid the same.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

So you get a team of people, people that are going to hustle and they finish this eight hour route in like five and a half. Then you just have the whole rest of the day off and you didn't lose any income. Kind of a sick job. Like cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then if you're a hustler, go start a side hustle in that extra two and a half hours every day.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then you're just making major bank. I don't know. There's. There's a lot of really cool options. Like legitimately really cool options. Especially I find if you look at jobs that are like less traditionally attractive because then there usually isn't as much competition. And when there isn't as much competition, it's often, you know, you end up making more money for it. So yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

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[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Luke Lafreniere]

I want to show something really quick before we, before we move on. We were talking about, you know, being able to do different things and technology moving forward and allowing you to do maybe some more things, but blah blah, blah blah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Have you seen this Japanese Cafe employs paralyzed people to control robots. That's so cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is so cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is so cool. The staff is robots, but they are controlled by people actually.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So cool. I love stuff like this.

[Linus Sebastian]

Huh? They're avatars for people with diseases and illnesses such as als to connect with people while they're stuck bedridden. It's a fantastic concept. Add it to your itinerary. Dude, my sister in law just got back from Japan. I would have totally told her to go check that out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Super cool. Absolutely love this idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

No Ducati. There are no plans for an ad supported float plane tier. We'd have to build an entire new like ad sales department. And no Lee school said as a.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Disabled person, I find this more dystopian than cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh wow. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

In this case, specifically called out like diseased people though not necessarily. Well, okay, duly noted. The WordPress. Oh wait, we're supposed to do merge messages. All right, hit us. Sure.

[Dan]

Message for Luke. Fellow lystexic here. Have you ever read or heard of the dyslexic advantage?

[Linus Sebastian]

No. What would be a dyslexic advantage? You also missed part of this merch message.

[Dan]

I thought you'd have a Google of that LMG crew. Keep up the good work. And who the F is this Dan guy?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Interesting.

[Dan]

I ain't gonna prompt you at this week, Linus. That was very embarrassing. I'm sorry about that.

[Linus Sebastian]

The dyslexic Advantage.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have to say this being a book has got to be the most hilarious thing.

[Dan]

I'm sure you've seen the fonts.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's got to be the funniest thing I've like ever.

[Dan]

That's like somebody writing an ADHD book that's 12,000 pages.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, something like that. I would be. It would be interesting if it was in one of those fonts that's easier to read. But no, I haven't heard of this. I don't know.

[Dan]

Get an audiobook.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, reviews are really positive it seems. Wish I read it sooner.

[Linus Sebastian]

Interesting. Yeah, I have no idea what it's supposed to be. I mean, have you found an advantage on your own?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, then I guess you need this book.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Unless you're like already doing it and don't realize it or something. I don't know. But it just makes reading harder.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe it makes cooking chicken easier.

[Dan]

Expert.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe. Maybe you don't know.

[Dan]

Up next, why does Linus focus on the bill of materials cost when arguing a product isn't overpriced? If BOM costs exceed the value to consumers, then the product needn't exist. Sales data seems like a better indicator of value.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so overpriced to me is not a measure of value. It's a measure of the price. And the price is the price. The price of, let's say, man, oh, this is a tough one. Value is subjective. Cost and price is not. They are objective. So if something has a bill of materials cost of $100 and a retail price of 150 or $200, it is objectively priced within the range of what you would expect based on what a brand would have to price it at in order to account for all of the various other expenses that they need to manage within their business. All of their administrative overhead, customer service, breakage and warranty and like after sales support, sort of all, all of that overhead that they have to cover. You can typically expect a markup on a product to be anywhere from like 50 to 100 points, bare minimum. Luxury brands get away with a lot more than that. But that's sort of pretty, pretty normal. And it can even be normal to go quite a bit higher. Like software companies, for example, will have margins way higher than that. So if you were, yeah, glasses. Glasses have a lot of them. Pharmaceuticals, a lot of margins. But the thing about pharmaceutical margin, and I'm not going to defend the big pharma companies, but the thing about pharmaceutical margin is there is a lot of R and D that goes in up, upfront, and there is a need to cash in on that. Have they gone a little far? Absolutely. Like I said, you'll never hear me defend big pharma, R and D and.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A lot of things.

[Linus Sebastian]

But there can be, especially in the past. I'd say it's less true now. Especially in the past. You could work for years trying to develop a drug, spend millions and millions and millions of dollars and develop nothing. Like it was a. It was a strike it rich or die trying industry. I think that with a lot of the new tools they have for drug development these days, it's less like that. But there was a time when it was like that anyway. So the cost of something and the price of something is just. It's objective, it's measurable. The value of something is subjective. And so when you say sales data seems like a better indicator of value, I would agree with that. I would agree that if something sells really well, then it's a good value. And if something doesn't sell very well, then it either was a bad value or there was bad marketing. There could be A variety of reasons that something doesn't sell very well. Actually, there can be a variety of reasons that something sells really well, including great marketing and not necessarily being a great value. But yes, I would agree with you that sales data is probably a better indicator of value. But value is up to you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or it's up to you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or it's up to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, for me to make a purchase.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Them and me.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Dan]

That's it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

Value is personal. And so if, if I were to say this water bottle, I'm going to price it at 29.99. My cost is $15. You can say that's overpriced, and I can say you're wrong, because it isn't. That's just what it costs. And you might not want one of these. You might not think that, you know, the insulated wall matters. You might like to drink out of a mason jar, which you can just get with like the, I don't know, the preserves that you would normally buy and you can just. You can just repurpose it and that's great. That cost you nothing and that's a better value for sure. But this isn't overpriced. It's just not something that has a value to you. So value is subjective and price is objective, and that's the difference. That took an awful long time. Carry on.

[Dan]

Sure. I'm at my weddings welcome party and we're getting married tomorrow. Any advice for the newlyweds on the day of and for a happy life together, onwards.

[Linus Sebastian]

Have fun.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Don't.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Dan]

Don't have fun.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's all I meant.

[Dan]

Don't get married.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's always so cringy when you see those, like, GIFs or whatever of like, somebody pushing their partner's face into the cake or something like that, and then it ruins the whole thing. Just don't, don't do that. Don't, like, don't, like, push your partner into doing something during the day that they're going to regret or might ruin their day. I'm assuming, based on, you know, demographics of our viewership, that this is a dude. If your partner is a woman, there's a higher chance that they care about their appearance and stuff. So, you know, be careful. Don't, don't shove cake in their face. Even if you've seen it on a meme and it looked funny and they enjoyed it, don't risk it. Ask first. Do stuff like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Luke. Consent tips.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Be careful. It's just a lot of people put a ton of value into this day. Right? So just, you know, chill and be careful. Don't ruin it for your partner who might care a lot. Next.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ah, two to three more topics. What do you want to talk about? How about the WordPress feud? Yeah, okay, I'm going to do the background here. WordPress.org is an open source web publishing project which powers around 40% of the top 10 million websites. We assume it is owned by Matt Mullenweg, who is also the CEO of Automattic, which owns WordPress.com a freemium web building platform based on WordPress.org all right. A month ago, Automattic sent a cease and desist letter to WP Engine, a third party WordPress hosting service, for using the WordPress trademark on their site. Because according to Automagic, WordPress WP Engine doesn't contribute enough to the open source project. WP Engine sent their own cease and desist letter and claimed that Mullenweg told them he'd take a scorched earth nuclear approach unless they paid 8% of their revenue as a trademark fee or dedicated an equivalent amount of employee time to the project. Mullenweg has since banned WP Engine from using WordPress.org's servers, which has broken WP Engine customers websites. Last week, WP Engine sued WordPress for extortion. Further 150:59 automatic employees who disagreed with Mullenweg's leadership accepted a severance package and left the company, which this isn't in our notes, but he apparently took to mean that everyone who remained agreed with him. Which is not how that works.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, discussion question is, as much as it's good for people to contribute to open source projects, how are people supposed to trust open source projects when the rug can get pulled out from under them at a moment's notice? That's true for closed source projects too. That's just. That's just part of life. I don't know. Yeah, it sucks. That being said of like all the times in the Internet's history, this is the easiest one to pivot off. So as much as it's, you know, terrible, I'm sure there are services that will welcome you with open arms.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wix, Squarespace, how much work have you done on your WordPress?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, it sucks. I'm not trying to say it doesn't suck.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, just as long as you're not trying to say it doesn't suck, because it definitely sucks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, no, it sucks a lot. Just I think what I'm trying to say is like, I wouldn't just automatically throw in the towel.

[Linus Sebastian]

You might feel like you want to do it right now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You sure might. And I wouldn't blame you. But you know, even compared to like a year ago, the Internet is more equipped to move your business off of WordPress than it ever has been. So there is light at the end of the tunnel. I suspect there's even going to be companies that pop up that are designed to help you with this. And, you know, you might not have the money to go that route.

[Linus Sebastian]

I work for a publishing company. Says context menu. We have over 50 sites running WordPress with hundreds of custom plugins.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, the custom plugins part is.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's painful.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah, it's all really rough.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like this could actually be a death blow for certain businesses.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, it will be. I'm 100% certain. I don't know for how many, but I'm sure it'll take a couple of them out. There's a lot of businesses that, you know, at a certain point they almost become a passion project. And it's like, I can keep this thing going, but that's pretty much all I've got. And a blow this big is just going to completely take it out. Watch the Fireship video on it. It was really, really good and explained both sides better than your notes did. Fireship does good stuff, so not too surprised. Maybe. If you're interested in seeing more on this, go check out Fireship. Matt. Matt from Labs Web says WordPress is an awe is awful as a product. Regardless of drama, anytime is the right time to move on from it. I don't disagree. I would generally echo that sentiment. That being said, you don't want it ripped out from under you. You would want to migrate off of it carefully and while taking your time and stuff like that. But yeah, this is, this is the wrong circumstances to be unbudging.

[Linus Sebastian]

Brady says WordPress is the notepad of blog sites. Change my mind. I won't be able to because you're unbudging. But I liked it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I also don't disagree with that. WordPress is just. I think their, their time has passed, in my opinion. I know there's cool things that they do and stuff, but it's just.

[Linus Sebastian]

Speaking of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can't remember the last time I recommended.

[Linus Sebastian]

Speaking of cool things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I used to make money through WordPress. Fun fact.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I bought a package of WordPress themes. This was one of my many small business ideas that I had. I bought a package of WordPress themes and then I would just set up info pages for like little businesses and stuff because it was really easy. I have the theme, so it looks nice. I just put their info on it, put their logos on it and it was like cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wicked smart is what it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was simple, it was easy, it was good, it was fantastic. At the time, it was exactly what I needed. It was the best tool for the job at the time and I would recommend moving off of it. Now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's move off this topic. Behold the Cyber Cab. Tesla CEO Elon Musk, part time CEO, held an event yesterday to unveil the company's long promised fully autonomous vehicles in the form of a new one. Not the ones he said were fully autonomous before. The Tesla Robo Taxi. The so called Cyber Cab currently consists of 20 apparently functional prototype vehicles. It lacks any steering wheels or pedals, which means it would need special authorization from regulators. Despite lacking any driver and appearing roughly the size of a standard car, it only has two two seats. It also lacks a charging plug and will apparently charge wirelessly. Musk says that Tesla will launch fully autonomous driving in Texas and California next year and that the Cyber Cab will enter production in 2026, the 10 year anniversary of when he said full self driving would be available, though it could be delayed until 2027. Musk also unveiled a prototype for a driverless 20 passenger robo van which has no official timetable for development or production. And this is a great tweet from 2017 at Bora, something I forget. Every two or three weeks a tech guy accidentally invents the concept of the city bus. Yes. The event also showed off the humanoid Optimus robot again, which Musk claims would one day be able to be a teacher, babysit your kids and be your friend. The bots were shown serving drinks and interacting with guests at the event, but these were apparently at least partially telepiloted by human operators. Following the event, Tesla stock dropped by 8% while stocks for Uber and Lyft rose. Cool. Well, good luck with that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it looks neat.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it looks better than the regular cybertruck. Yeah, well, I mean that's a low bet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's not a truck though. Yeah, but yeah, I think it looks neat.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, two seater though, that's kind of a downer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What's, what's with the like the like Star wars shuttle looking version? This one on the right.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh no, that's the bus.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Okay, so that's what I'm talking about. Not the Cyber Cab. Yeah, I think the bus looks neat. The Cyber Cab just looks like a Slightly different Model X. As far as I can tell.

[Linus Sebastian]

It looks like between a cybertruck and a Model X.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This one. Yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's got kind of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's got that angled butt.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't mind it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't mind. It looks better than the cybertruck.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyway. Yeah. Good luck everybody.

[Luke Lafreniere]

To the moon, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

To the moon. Or through the ground.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Stock just went down. Invest now, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah. That's not investment advice. M1Macs are breaking. Since mid 2023, a significant number of M1IMAC users have reported screen degradation resulting in a pattern of horizontal lines appearing across their displays. The issue typically crops up after a couple years of use, meaning that the devices are out of warranty. Apple has yet to acknowledge the problem, though one user reported that the technician they went to blamed the issue on a Flex cable powering the LCD burning out because it has to sustain voltage of about 50 volts at the screen's highest brightness setting. Due to how the devices are constructed, fixing this issue typically means replacing the whole screen at a cost of around 600 to $700. It is currently unclear whether Apple has fixed the issue in more recent generations of imac. And our discussion question here is, and this is, this is one that I kind of wrote is, does Apple get an adequate amount of journalistic scrutiny? Because it seems like in the last 20 years they have gone from being covered by professional journalists to still being covered by professional journalists, but also having cultivated a following of fans.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think professional journalism is. I think this is almost a different conversation and it's that a lot of.

[Linus Sebastian]

Professional journalism is dying, but Apple is anymore. Apple almost uniquely plays the game so well, at least in the tech space of the sort of the praise for access model. If you, if you. Not only. It's not. And it's not even as simple as if you say the right things about Apple, you'll get invited to Steve Jobs theater and you'll, you know, attend the keynotes or whatever. It's. It's not that simple. Yeah, it's. You have to not only say the right things, you have to be the right things. You have to. You have to. What's the word I'm looking for? You. You almost have to have the right aura. You have to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is a trend that is very good. Good job you've communicated to the young.

[Linus Sebastian]

You have to personify the ideal Apple customer is what you have to do. And I, I almost wonder if that's detrimental for Apple. Puff them in the long term. I don't know if they, I mean, they get a lot of criticism, but I almost like seeing all the, seeing all the better things about iOS 18. Right. Seeing how much better it is. I don't know if it makes me, I don't know if it makes me think that they have heard all the things that they're supposed to be doing and then just weren't doing it or if they were, were shut off from it and are finally hearing it like I don't know what it is exactly that made them sort of ignore these obvious, egregious, glaring issues for so long, like not being able to rearrange your icons on your home screen and stuff like that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but people were pointing the issue out even when there was more negative.

[Linus Sebastian]

They were, but were those voices powerful enough? I guess is the question, is Apple under enough scrutiny? But are they loud in the right place? Remember, you're not necessarily reading a random discussion forum on Mac rumors. If you're, if you're a decision maker at Apple, like the people with access, the people who can actually talk directly to decision makers, are they putting the right amount of pressure on them? Because like I'm looking at this, I'm looking at this screen issue right when, when ASUS didn't acknowledge the SD card problem with the ally, we weren't the only ones having meetings with top level executives basically saying, you guys need to do this. Yeah, I don't know if anybody holds that kind of power over Apple and I don't think Apple wants that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, they definitely don't.

[Linus Sebastian]

But will that be. But will that be damaging to them in the longer term is the question that I'm asking.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have a hard time believing honestly any company wants that. I feel like most companies want, will comply with that to try to soften the blow.

[Linus Sebastian]

I actually disagree. And no company is monolithic, but there are certainly ones that I've encountered that value criticism.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

At a high level.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think what I was pointing out was the public nature of a lot of the criticism that happened around asus. I don't think anybody wants that.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I don't think anybody wants a media firestorm necessarily. But I think that I do definitely.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Think there are companies that really want measured, good, accurate, constructive criticism. Definitely there are. There are quite a few companies that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, I don't know if Apple does.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pay money to have that, let alone just want it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cmd. Carini says, who says Apple isn't adequately addressing the issue? Well, they haven't acknowledged it. That step one of addressing the issue. And Apple has a long history. Yeah, they have a long history of ignoring things so hard, hoping that they'll go away, only to finally acknowledge them. Only if they. If they get enough backlash. Butterfly keyboard, for example. Bump gate on the older MacBooks. Like, this is not. This is not a new thing. Let's not pretend you're holding it wrong. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Vertigo one. That's about it. Fisker can't sell its cars due to server issues.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Rough.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is such a cautionary tale and we should all listen extremely intently for the next two minutes. As part of its bankruptcy proceedings, EV company Fisker has been attempting to liquidate its assets in order to pay back creditors. In June, rental company American Lease agreed to purchase Fisker's remaining 3,300 vehicles for $46.3 million. As of last week, American Lease had paid 42.5 million and had accepted delivery of a third of the vehicles. Last Friday, Fisker revealed that they couldn't transfer the vehicle's cloud link to another company's servers due to an underlying technical issue. It is unclear how long Fisker knew about this problem prior to informing American Lease.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I wonder what that issue is.

[Linus Sebastian]

It doesn't matter.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like it's a bankruptcy thing. So just give them the servers.

[Linus Sebastian]

The point is. Well, not necessarily, because not every car will be owned by American Lease. There are still end users out there. So it could be a privacy issue, it could be anything. Could be a technical issue, it could be a contractual issue. We don't know. Because American Lease would struggle to run the fleet of vehicles without the cloud based features, the company has filed an emergency objection to Fisker's liquidation plan. The DOJ has filed its own objection based on claims that Fisker has been asking owners of their vehicles to cover the costs of their own recall repairs. Fisker also appears to be under investigation by the sec, but the exact focus of the investigation is currently unknown. So here's the problem. The problem is not Fisker necessarily here. The problem is not just this car or this server. The problem is that this will happen to basically everything that you own once it is reliant on cloud based services. Absolutely everything that you purchase. Because is it really a purchase if it just stops working when somebody rent? Yeah, when somebody sort of decides they don't feel like paying for it anymore. I forget how I started the sentence. So it doesn't matter. The point is that everything is literally one bad decision or one key person being hit by a bus or one infrastructure error away from being a brick. And this is terrifying.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Back to Tesla for a minute.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Back to every single day that goes by. I like my car more.

[Linus Sebastian]

They have done a very good job actually by and large of providing OTA updates to their vehicles. Going back to pretty much the first ones from day one. I said these things are going to be a disaster because they keep revving the hardware so frequently and the ongoing overhead of supporting all of these various. Various models and all of these various iterations of the hardware is going to be completely untenable and they're just going to start sort of deprecating them and it's going to. I was wrong. They have actually done overall a pretty spectacular job in that. In that regard. They've done a pretty bad job of a lot of other things. But that I got to give credit. But that doesn't mean that I was overall wrong about that problem. And Fisker is. Anyone who bought a Fisker or 3300 Fiskers is going to. Is finding that out the hard way. And I'm just. I don't know what to do. What do we do? Luke, help me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hmm. I want to say vote with your wallet, but like, what. What can you even. How many cars even are there that aren't basically susceptible to a similar issue like this right now that you would buy new?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, this. I wrote this in the. In the topic doc. This is and applies to basically every car.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

For prep for this one, I'd love to have a list of car brands that existed in the 90s and don't exist anymore. If you think your car company is going to last and this won't be a problem, you are literally wrong.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pontiac.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. There's one Mercury.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Nice. Saturn still around.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Speaking of planet based car companies.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know, right? Saab.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Saab, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Scion. Not 90s, but DeLorean. Yeah. Oldsmobile.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. A lot of these were bought out by other companies, but that's sort of what's happening here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Suzuki pulled out of Canada.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Datsun, Daewoo. Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So a lot of companies.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I mean some of them have like, still exist but have changed ownership like multiple times. Like Jaguar is not a British car manufacturer. Who has owned Jaguar?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I thought they were like Australian or something.

[Linus Sebastian]

They became nationalized in 1975 due to financial difficulties. I don't know. They were British. But in 1984 it became its own company again. Ford Motors purchased them in 1999 and then Land Rover in 2000, selling both to Tata Motors in 2000. 2008.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Where's Tata?

[Linus Sebastian]

India, I think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Was it an Australian movie where they talk about it then or something? There's. There was something. I don't. I don't remember. Anyways.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah. Tata is based in Mumbai. Wild though, right? Amc. There's another one. Holden was apparently the. The Australian one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A lot of these were bought. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, what else we got? Is there good news? Plymouth Is there good news? Behold Nintendo's Alarmo. On Wednesday, Nintendo announced new hardware that has spent 10 years developing a $100 alarm clock called Alarmo. Alarmo has an optional motion detection feature and will make game sounds when its user moves. Users can use gestures to enable snooze on their alarm and turn it off simply by getting out of bed. It likewise tracks the user's sleep. Nintendo suggests not using the motion tracking feature if you sleep with another person. Tell me the product is only for forever alones without telling me that. In addition to this announcement, Nintendo has published a four part interview with the clock's developers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

Discussion question. Does Nintendo not understand what people want from them or is there actually a huge untapped market for Nintendo themed alarm clocks that you can't use if you have a girlfriend? I just saw this and I was like, what? Nintendo has made all kinds of things over the years, especially if you go back to their pre video game days. They're an old company and playing cards. Yeah, they've. They've created some utterly unbelievable products. But this one, I'm just like why? Who was asking for this? Like I could, I could, I could see if it was a switch dock or something. Switch dock with a built in clock.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't, I don't know I've even interested. There's a. There's an add on. Think you can get for Pokemon Go that tracks your sleep. There's a game called Pokemon Sleep and now they have this. They've been really into sleep stuff for actually a long time. This isn't their only thing right now that deals with sleep.

[Linus Sebastian]

El Bardo says I love Nintendo because they do their own thing without paying attention to trends. Sometimes you get the switch, sometimes you get this. Yeah, you gotta diversify.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What the.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I just. Yeah. I mean. Yeah, maybe we should. Maybe we should do an alarm clock like I did. It just feels so random.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why don't you want the sleep motion tracking of all of your employees in the Linus town?

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You make sure everyone. You can make sure everyone goes to bed on time. It's good.

[Dan]

It'll only work if you sleep with somebody else.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Only Work, Work. We need more members of the Linus Town.

[Dan]

Absolutely.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh my goodness.

[Dan]

You guys.

[Linus Sebastian]

We're not doing Linus Town though. Even if I had the money, I wouldn't spend it on Linus Town. That would be embarrassing. That would actually be like cringe worthingly narcissistic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but we all more so than everything else.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes. They're going to back me up on this one. They hate agreeing with me. But guys, come on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's. It's.

[Linus Sebastian]

That would be more.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's almost to the point where it's annoying to type in our website domains because they all start with either Linus or L. Every single one of them.

[Dan]

Searching for your name on documents.

[Linus Sebastian]

They don't or anything is like impossible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Float plane. You can use that against me. The one that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, well.

[Luke Lafreniere]

LTT Store. LTT Labs.

[Linus Sebastian]

Lioness Media Group creator Warehouse Tech creator Warehouse.com. boom.

[Dan]

Short Linus.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Weird. It seems like it redirected to something.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, it seems like you found a way to. Boom. Got him.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Floatplane.com. let's go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, look at this video coming. Young people, try Windows xp.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, that's actually kind of cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. That's the question we set out to answer is, is Windows XP actually as goaded as the people who remember it think it is?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

You may be disappointed.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't care.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Dan]

Windows 7. Windows 7. Goat.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, yeah, yeah. But Windows XP is.

[Linus Sebastian]

We'll see.

[Dan]

Windows XP was better because you can right click something and it uses it as a click instead of having to left click and then right click.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is actually the best thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The problem with the wrong opinions about the people that are going to be in this video is that they are valuing convenience over quality.

[Linus Sebastian]

You are making a lot of assumptions about these people. There's only one.

[Dan]

There's only one settings application for the whole computer instead of two that are split and then one of them opens another one. And some of the settings are in one, but they're also in another one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But they probably won't have to open on Windows 11 so they'll think that's better.

[Dan]

I'm just waiting for Windows 12.

[Linus Sebastian]

Intel has unveiled Aerolake. Their new Core Ultra 200s series CPUs also known as Aerolake S have been announced and sales and pre orders will begin on October 24th for about the same price as 14th gen core chips. You'll be getting parity performance at about half the power consumption. Of course you'll need to buy new Z890 motherboard since AeroLake S needs the new LGA 1851 socket and also Z890 boards do not support DDR4 so you'll probably need some new RAM. Also, the performance isn't quite the same. Team Blue admits the geomine of the gaming performance of the flagship Core Ultra 9 285K is actually 5% less than the 14900K but they do claim an 8% increase in single threaded performance and 15% and multi threaded workloads compared to 14th gen. Oh and they have NPUs but they're not good enough for Copilot Plus. So nice. So our discussion question is if the performance was identical to 14th gen at half the power consumption, would anyone find these chips worth the upgrade?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Upgrade? I don't know. I think we are happy about a new purchase. Definitely.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think we are long past upgrading from the last generation.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think we've been long past for.

[Linus Sebastian]

A long time in my opinion and I think we've probably beat this horse enough. Talking about the latest iPhones and there was something else that came out recently that I was like. I mean I don't think that's necessarily true of everything. I think on the GPU side we should expect a generational upgrade. For how bloody long we wait for a new generation of product?

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's fair. You don't wait as long for CPU though. I think also it's very likely that a lot of the people watching the show right now either don't pay for their own power or have relatively cheap power. There are places in the world less Euro audience here. But yeah, there's. There's quite a few places in the world where power costs are like a huge factor. So you might not care about it but someone else might. But that might just mean this might not be for you, this product might not be for you. You already have a CPU that's pretty good. It's probably not for you, assuming your power costs are also either not way too high or you don't pay for it. I didn't, I didn't. Fleming. I didn't. I didn't mean everyone watching.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. In other breaking news, yes, piracy does cause a drop in revenue for games. A peer reviewed study.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I really don't agree with this study. Here we go putting that out there.

[Linus Sebastian]

A peer reviewed study compared games with Denuvo DRM and found that games where a crack was available at launch suffered an average loss of 19% of legitimate sales in those early weeks compared to games where no crack was available.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How do you measure that?

[Linus Sebastian]

However piracy resulted in nearly zero mean total revenue loss when the DRM survived for 12 or more weeks. Because new sales drop off quickly after the first few months. According to the study, there was no apparent connection between the type of game and its likelihood of getting cracked earlier or later. Discussion Question here is, should game publishers consider ditching DRM a few months post launch? Hey, what would you think of that, Luke?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's an interesting idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

Launch drm.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then. Okay, you know, it's gonna be cheaper now anyway, so if you're not desperate to play it immediately anyway, then we can just screw off and take our hooks out of your kernel or whatever. I actually kind of love that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's an interesting. Interesting way to go. For sure. I want to see. I really want to know who funded the study.

[Linus Sebastian]

I want to know if it's time for mine After Dark. Dan. Dan.

[Dan]

I thought you were asking Luke.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I'm not. I'm asking Dan.

[Dan]

I think it should be. Looks good. Get out of here soon. Yeah, I will push the button and then I will push these other buttons. There's a lot of buttons. Which one is it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, they say nothing was a problem, which is what it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

Here's the declaration of competing interest.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What is up with the capitalization on the word credit?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Declaration. The authors declare they have.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Dan]

That means so much.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. All right. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Make of it what you will. You can like it or not like it or believe it or not believe it. I don't think anyone's ever going to agree on this because by its very definition, it cannot be measured.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, because you're talking about different games now. It's like there's so many variables involved with that.

[Linus Sebastian]

There are so many variables.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What if that game just wasn't going to sell as much?

[Linus Sebastian]

There are a lot of variables.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And we know that our ability to predict that is not perfect, or else certain games wouldn't be made. I don't know.

[Dan]

How about some March messages do it. I've been loving my hat and.

[Luke Lafreniere]

As if the person who did the study is a developer who made a game. So, like, I'm not saying it makes them biased, but I think just having a statement that says like, we're definitely not is also not necessarily fair. Anyways, what if you just have no.

[Dan]

DRM and then understand that the people who pirate your game are not going to be the people that purchased it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

And there will be some probably, yeah, there will be.

[Dan]

Netflix didn't lose $2 billion in revenue because of account sharing. That Was never their money anyway. Merch message. I've been loving my hat and as a theater tech I'm sure I'll get a lot of use from a blank black tea. Question for LLND did any of you guys see the northern lights last night?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, we had a, we had a solar event a little while ago. Like I mean a few months ago I guess. I don't remember exactly when it was but I saw people posting pictures of it and I was like, wow, that looks really cool. And then I went and I looked at it in person. I was like, oh. And I pointed my phone camera at it and I was like oh wow. Sure looks a lot better in pictures. I probably could have just looked at this in pictures and it actually would have been better. So that's kind of where I'm at on looking at the northern lights. At least this far south.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This far south. It's like kind of a problem. They're usually kind of crap. If you're in places in Alberta and stuff there's some, there's some pretty cool spots to get gadget. But yeah, I'm looking through this person's like personal blog and they actually seem pretty cool. But I maintain that I don't think it can be properly measured.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Yes, it can't be properly measured but I also think it's naive to say that every person who pirated wasn't going to buy it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh absolutely. You're definitely losing some amount. I think 20%. There's like no way.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think measuring it is basically impossible. Possible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think we can agree on that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I really don't think 20% is. That's, that's got to be way too high. I don't even think 20% of gamers would know how to pirate it.

[Linus Sebastian]

That I don't know about necessarily. And it's probably changed a lot over the, over the years. That's why like I would, I would think 20% of PC gamers in the middle 2000s probably could figure out how to pirate a game.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Now, yeah, I don't know. And it could be very genre dependent as well. Like if you've got a game that like is super appealing to like tech heads and engineering sorts. You like a Kerbal space program or you have like a satisfactory or something like that. I would say piracy is more of a threat.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Than if you've got like a hyper casual fall guys, you know, assuming we.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Don'T need the online. Online but like that type of a game.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Like something more. More casual. Interesting. Okay, let's move on. Yeah, I don't feel like arguing about it.

[Dan]

Why is it okay that Nvidia locks down every setting and makes everything close source, but it's a problem when Apple does the same thing? Do you see the value of Apple's walled garden as safer?

[Linus Sebastian]

When did I ever seem like I was super chill with Nvidia's approach?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We've negatively pointed this out like a trillion times and a lot of people do people dunk on that constantly. Especially when it comes to their Linux support.

[Linus Sebastian]

I have talked multiple times on this show. I'm going to say many times on this show about the fact that Nvidia and Apple do not work together on anything. They do not work together at all. Do you know why? Because there is no room that is large enough to fit two penises that big. There's no room for them to swing them around. So they just don't do it. Won't work. Can't work. They used to. There used to be Nvidia GPUs and MacBooks. Think about it. What happened? Bumpgate happened and neither of them could admit any kind of failure to each other, to the public. And that was it. They never worked together again. It was that simple.

[Dan]

Hello, Linus.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're. They both. They both have just a spectacularly arrogant way of doing business. Yeah. And no, it's not good when either of them does it. They're. They're different in their approaches. I think Apple's is far more anti consumer like directly to their customers. But I mean, I guess Nvidia's is anti. They're purchasers of their equipment as well. It just manifests far more behind the scenes because you are not an Nvidia customer. Add in board partners are Nvidia customers. Solutions providers and system integrators are Nvidia customers. And Nvidia absolutely treats them with the exact same level of contempt that Apple does their customers. It's just way less visible. All right.

[Dan]

Hello. Hello Linus, when purchasing your tie. Can't take ant. Were you aware of its sibling, the Audi E Tron gt? It has real buttons inside and no Porsche tacks. Mechanically they are nearly identical.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was aware of it. I didn't like it as much. Also it's really expensive too. What do you. I mean it has an Audi tax, so. Right.

[Dan]

No one at work drives an Audi and I find that very reasonable.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, where's even like the Locus Locus? Where's the most local Audi dealership? Where's the closest one?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know, I mean there's. There exist. I mean there's definitely not even a.

[Dan]

I don't see not even a used Audi.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I don't see very many Audis in B.C. at all.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I don't know. Oh no, it is, it is quite a bit less expensive. I admittedly didn't look that close. Okay. No, hold on. No, no, they just have a sort of different model for it. So it only has one trim but then you just add stuff to it. So hold on a second. If you like add a bunch of like fancy crap to it, you can. Oh you can definitely, you can definitely get her like if you want heated rear seats and blah blah, blah, fine Nappa leather, you can. Oh no, it actually, no, you cannot make it as expensive as Taycan. Nope, not even close. So yeah, you're right, it's cheaper. I went to see it, I didn't really like it and I think it's kind of that simple.

[Dan]

First purchase as a full time software engineer gearing up for the home projects to come. Question for Linus. Are there any videos similar to the Intel Fab Tour in the pipeline?

[Linus Sebastian]

Fab Tour? Oh, we're going to look at an isp. Oh yeah.

[Dan]

Well that'll be sweet.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that'll be fun.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's cool actually.

[Dan]

That's awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, and I, I think there's like a. Oh man. What is, what is it? What is it again? No, it's like, it's. It's really interesting for some reason. Why is it interesting? Yeah, no, it's going to be really cool. I think it's an ISP or a data center or something and I think it's. I don't want to say what it is exactly, but it's really cool. I forget because I think I remember what it is, but I don't remember if I think I. If I remember right. If it's what I think it is, it's going to be the coolest thing ever. And if it's just a random data center or isp, then it's still going to be really cool. There.

[Dan]

How do current gen consoles use GDR as system ram? Why hasn't this been done on laptops or handheld gaming devices to increase integrated GPU memory bandwidth?

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a good question for an engineer here. I admit that I do not. I am not familiar enough with the differences between regular DDR and GDDR enough to tell you why it works fine for a console and why it doesn't work fine for a computer. My understanding and There have been computers that do use GDDR memory. There was that weird, I forget the brand, but that weird, like China only console PC that did use gddr. We've also seen like, like these bizarre like Frankenstein console boards that you can like install Windows on and stuff. And they are definitely using gddr. My understanding is it just comes down to that DDR has better latency, which is better for running an operating system. And GDDR has better bandwidth. Excuse me, better bandwidth, which is better for graphics, where throughput is the most important thing. And these console operating systems are optimized so that they don't have as many sort of random processes running. So there's not as much of a hit from having higher latency. But beyond that I couldn't tell you. And I have to admit I don't really understand why as we make our way into DDR6X, why the latency might not be good enough to use as your system memory as well. I mean, Apple is clearly using shared system memory. Although in that case are they using. Are they using hbm? I can't, I actually can't remember off the top of my head right now. M3 Mac memory type. No, I think it's just. Is it DDR? Why can't I remember right now? Help me. LP DDR 5X. Yeah. Okay, so it's, it's not GDDR. So Apple clearly uses regular DDR as GPU memory and consoles clearly use GDDR as system memory. Ask the engineers.

[Dan]

Trying again since we ran out of time last week. What is one regulation in your industry that you'd like to change or remove? And maybe one that you would like to add.

[Linus Sebastian]

In my industry, a regulation that I'd like to change or remove. I hate, I hate zoning regulations. I think they suck. I think that if you are, you know, building something tasteful and safe and.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think all zoning sucks.

[Dan]

Mixed residential business. Mixed residential business.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but I don't necessarily want like highly polluting factories and residents residential areas.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, there's not all zoning sucks.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's value to zoning, but I am most zoning.

[Luke Lafreniere]

On the other hand.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, terrible downer. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think the one that I would want to get rid of is the. I don't remember what it is, but there's some type of claim or something that you can put on a YouTube video where you end up getting people's personal identifiable information.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

If you want to fight it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah, that's pretty gross.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's a Problem. Like I think some vtuber was going through this recently or something where people are putting some form of claim against their account because if they want to fight that claim, they have to give them their information and they don't want to be publicly identifiable so they can't reason why they're a vtuber so they can't fight the claim.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's super icky.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's gross. I mean, even for us. Like you don't necessarily want to give them personal information. Ironmost and fake copyright claim to get personal info. Yeah, yeah. Some article I was reading the other day. Yeah, it's gross.

[Linus Sebastian]

Don't do that. Be cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that's junkie.

[Dan]

John Velastep from Prairie. Does your interaction or relationship with Taran change after hiring him? If Taran's no longer working with where will you find a new CEO, who will you trust for such a position?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I don't think that our relationship has changed much. We do periodic check ins where I'm just like, hey, how you doing?

[Luke Lafreniere]

More often. Sorry, you talk more often?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we talk more. But like I wouldn't say that the way we interact changes or has changed. He's still extremely brutally honest with me. I'm still extremely brutally honest with him. He made an offhand comment I sent a follow up email a little while ago being like, yeah, I was kind of cranky when he said that and he sends me this snarky ass response that was like, yeah, I can tell when you're sending emails. And I'm just like, yeah, okay, so we're good still. So yeah, it seems fine. As for, you know, where would I find a new CEO, who would I trust for such a position? I have no idea. I think he has pretty good job security at this point. Not because everything he does is perfect, but because he has the room as far as I'm concerned. Still, I don't agree with everything he does. I've talked about that a fair bit on the show recently, but I do support what he does.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's that we were talking about it earlier in the show, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

Are we?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't remember. Not with thought about Terran specifically, but it was like the whole buy in thing. Yeah, you don't necessarily have to agree, but we're on the same ship.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. Yep. Who would I trust? I mean if he resigned, I'd probably have to step in until such time as we could find someone else and I have no idea what that process would even look like. I have no experience hiring CEOs other than just like, oh, yeah, this guy was able to, like, deal with my bull at once. He should probably be able to do it again.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was the process last time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I know.

[Dan]

Hey, guys. Uke. As a 3D artist, I look for stretched textures in games to see if the developers put effort into their game. Does your profession help you in any way judge how good something is in games or otherwise?

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, I have such a hard time enjoying certain forms of media now, especially YouTube, because.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Interesting. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

When I see something that is meant to look like a casual conversation between people.

[Dan]

Oh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Drives me nuts, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I can tell that it was filmed from four different angles on three different days.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not gonna lie. I get this with you guys.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sometimes we don't try to hide it, dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That. That might be why.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, we don't. We don't try to hide it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For a long time there, I don't even know if I could define the era, but you were making videos in a way that I think you didn't want to or something. I don't know how I'd even define it. And I could tell, and I don't think, like, almost anyone else could tell, but I could tell. And it honestly made them unwatchable. I couldn't watch any of it because I was just like, I know for a fact he doesn't want to do this. And that just. I don't know. That threw me off.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't even remember.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For me, it makes me a little bit more sympathetic to certain software issues and also significantly more critical about other ones.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because when, like, you know how little work it was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

To.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Or I know that it was a decision.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And that'll drive me nuts, too.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Or I'll. Or I'll be able to tell. You know, like, somebody just did. Felt like not doing it, so they convinced someone else on the team or something that it, like, wasn't possible or whatever. And it's just like.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think part of what ruins stuff for me is the people that I'm surrounded with. Like, Brandon Lee, who used to work here as a camera op editor before that, mostly camera guy. So, you know, we're having, like, a cinematography discussion. Right. And then it kind of shifts into, like, there's, you know, and he's telling me, like, look, like, as a cinematographer, there's certain types of formats I just can't watch. And I was like, well, what do you mean? He's like, sitcoms. I'm like, what? Why can't you watch a sitcom? Like, who cares? They make funny joke. Guy walks in room, everyone laughs. You know, like all the tropes, right? And he's like, the laugh track, actually, you know, on that. Anything with a laugh track, I can't. I can't watch it. And then he has me watch this. This edit of the Big Bang Theory without the laugh track.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's so rough off, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's. And that was. That was a show that, at least the first few seasons, I thought were. I thought were pretty funny. They. It was. It was pretty light entertainment for me. Like, it was the kind of thing that I would watch while, like, bouncing the baby to sleep. It wasn't like, you know, my attention was super focused on it, but I enjoyed it. And after that, I just. I couldn't look at it the same. I just. I couldn't enjoy it at all.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Know they're all standing there silently.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, completely. So. So part of it is just like the. It's. It's not necessarily working in the industry that ruins something for me, but it's like the professionals that I'm surrounded by and sort of their own. Their influence. Yeah, totally ruined. I don't think I've watched a sitcom since then.

[Dan]

Yeah, Yeah, I watched an edit of Death Note with all the inner monologues removed. That was awful. Just ridiculous.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But, yeah, there'll be like. I think, honestly, if anything, it makes me appreciate my developers a lot because I'll look at other sites and services, use it and then be like. And then look up like, how many developers does this company have and be like, okay, we're doing pretty good. Yeah, I don't know.

[Dan]

Teams. Microsoft Teams. I always give you a pat on the back when Luke is feeling bad. Helps cheer him up a little bit or makes you hate Teams more. I don't know which one it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why. Why does it not highlight your box when you are talking in a call? Why are you making everyone go, is my mic working? You should be able to tell because it should highlight just like it does for everyone else. That is the worst feature decision in the world. Why can't I schedule a message to a group chat that I just created? Why can't I do that? Why is that a limitation? Why does that possibly exist? You could make that in everything else that has scheduled.

[Linus Sebastian]

If this was a free app, you could make an argument that it's an anti spam feature.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But Discord's better.

[Linus Sebastian]

But Teams is a paid app. Teams for the Workplace is a paid app. Nobody is joining an organization to create groups and spam it. And if they are, then that organization.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Has some shit to figure out as I regain control. I would like to reiterate that Microsoft, if you have any interest, I would be very happy to consult on making teams better. I will do it for free.

[Dan]

No problem in on that. I'll see what I can do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We might not even keep using teams. And even if we stop using teams in the hopes of making it better for all of the rest of the people in the world that have to use your app, I would love to consult for free on making it better. There are objective and incredibly easy things that you can do that would make it a way better experience for literally everyone.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So many people have to use your software for Luke.

[Dan]

Imagine you're hired as an AI researcher. Once you sign an NDA, they show you an incredible human like AGI. Or maybe they're just hazing you. What's the craziest advance? You'd believe.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What's the craziest advance I would believe, like, craziest level that they had gotten to that had been hidden from the public and I'm now told. Is that what they mean?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, let's get that.

[Dan]

Yeah, I think that's exactly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think a advancement of what we currently have. I don't. I would not believe AGI. I would be. I would be. You know, the first time I ever saw a mineral oil computer, I traced the monitor cable to the monitor because I didn't believe it. I would be doing stuff like that, you know, trying to figure out, what are you. What are you doing? Is there. Is there a person in the box of this mechanical Turk? But if it was like a, you know, the tasking thing that they have now, if they had a version of that that was just like, very unrestrained, didn't have token limits, stuff like that, was able to pull on resources way more heavily. I would believe that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think the great. I wasn't asked, but I think the best advance that I believe is near real time latency. Because right now that's a. That's a huge, like. I think that's a huge impediment to making these things believable. The tasking, how long everything takes to respond. Like, it makes the. It's not okay. Think back to when we were hosting the WAN show remotely during COVID Oh, I see. Even just the, you know, 40 milliseconds of a video call, 50 milliseconds of a video call is enough. That our interaction is not natural.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is it fair if it uses some form of, like, filler or if it reframes partway through in the same way that humans do. Yeah, like, what if it. What if it does stuff like that?

[Linus Sebastian]

That's the best that I could believe right now is if they could nail down the latency, but it would still, like, say weird stuff and hallucinate and stuff. Like. I don't think we're. I don't think we're close to fixing that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Mm.

[Dan]

I was wondering why all of the underwear are out of stock and say they're not coming back. Does this mean you guys are getting out of the underwear business? Or is it something new is coming?

[Linus Sebastian]

We have issues with our supplier yet again.

[Luke Lafreniere]

At what point do you become the supplier?

[Linus Sebastian]

We can't. I mean, we can't. We're not a, like, fabric mill.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No is. No isn't an answer.

[Dan]

I bet we could make Texas.

[Linus Sebastian]

Build it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, don't do that.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no, we don't. We don't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's gonna happen. Sometimes we just. We're having a surprising amount of them at the moment. But, like, I don't know. It's fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ty in from the creator warehouse. Team up in float plane chat here. No isn't an answer. Holy moly, Luke. Well played. We're going to find a solution. It just isn't going to be to become a textile mill, that's all. And it will take some time. We are not dependent on our ability to produce and sell underwear. So we'll be fine. We have time. Okay.

[Dan]

Just buy shirts and cut them up. The more. The more tall shirts you buy, the better it looks. So turn those into underwear.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Not a bad solution.

[Dan]

Not a bad solution.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Oh, man. I even know what the name of the company could be.

[Luke Lafreniere]

LTT Textile Tips.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice. Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

Another domain that starts with limes. I'm trying to help you out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's good. Thank you. Yeah. We need to own all of them. I actually have a problem because I often use shorthand to get to domains.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So like Gmail, right? I'm not typing Gmail. Just GM enter. Yeah, I can't do that.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Drives me crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just set up our shortener, our LMG gg. Just make yourself some, like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Store add affiliate links forum.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, your team controls, like, our DNS settings and everything. So you could just add some, like, custom resolving rules and just.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah, we could do that for the whole company.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. If you just typed it. If you just, like, typed FP into a browser bar.

[Dan]

I will do that right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

This just sounds like you're not trying hard enough to solve it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I tried to say no, was the answer. That's my bad.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

Way to go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oops.

[Dan]

This is not how you lead, Luke. Your team is looking down on you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I got work to do.

[Dan]

Hi, ldl. How's the bike painting coming? I'm interested in doing a custom paint job on my car hood. Do you have any tips for someone getting into auto body painting Game. Into the audio body game. Car paint.

[Linus Sebastian]

Don't. Unless you have many, many hours and many hundreds of dollars to invest in it. Just stay out. So close.

[Dan]

I lost it at the end.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm sorry.

[Dan]

When is the last time you bought your wife flowers, Linus? What?

[Linus Sebastian]

She always tells me that they're not good use of money. She is the perfect woman.

[Dan]

Lego flowers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

She likes the Lego flowers.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think she does like Lego flowers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Last time I bought my wife flowers, I'm trying to think. I bought her something random. She likes O. Henry bars. I got her no Henry bar a couple weeks ago. That's what she likes. What did you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I wasn't smiling because I thought it was like rule number one is.

[Linus Sebastian]

Actually listen and actually get them what they actually like. That's rule number one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I was smiling because it was cute, not because it was bad.

[Dan]

Yeah, it was adorable. Linus, when you could start driving, what safety measures and rules will you implement? Android Auto CarPlay only new car with loads of smart safety features. Or an old clunker.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Does little man get to drive the Porsche?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, absolutely not. Yeah. You gotta be kidding me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Ever.

[Linus Sebastian]

First thing I did when I started driving was I like, hit a pillar in a parking lot. Like there's. Yeah, there's no way.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've never hit anything yet.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I think if he has. I think if he has a big date, then I don't see why not. But like, the flip side of it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Approved some responsible driving before then.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And the flip side of it is, like, if she's the kind of girl who's impressed by that, is she the kind of girl that likes you for you?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I don't know, dude. And like. And it's one of those things. It's like, do I want to encourage, you know, putting on airs? That's not his car. I wouldn't tell him not to rent a nice car to impress a girl. But borrowing your dad's car is not. Like, you haven't actually done anything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really? You wouldn't. I'm actually surprised you wouldn't tell him not to rent A nice car to impress a girl. That does not seem like a license.

[Linus Sebastian]

Actually, I. Okay. I wouldn't not allow it, I guess. Like it like, and it's not up to me anyway. Yeah, right. Like for sure. And remember, rent a nice car to impress a girl can mean rent a limo for a prom. That's renting a nice car.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

It might impress her. Like, I'm just. I'm just saying there's. There's context where him actually doing something. Because remember, the thing that's impressive is the effort. Right? And so if you're trying to impress her with your effort, which is the thing that I would hope she would be valuing about it. Right? Because we aren't all just materialistic here, then you have to actually put in the effort and be like, hey dad, can I have the keys? Is not effort. So I would never say don't make an effort. Yeah, but borrowing my car isn't effort. Working hard and mowing lawns and renting a cool car for a day.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Unless he had to do those things in order to borrow your car.

[Linus Sebastian]

But then maybe he could get a cooler car. Buy my car or maybe. Yeah. I don't know. It just seems. It just seems lame. It seems lame.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have so many additional questions I want to ask, but their information that should not end up on the stream. So I'm going to leave it there. Like how long until this is going to be a thing? And stuff like that, which we shouldn't.

[Linus Sebastian]

Go into till what's going to be a thing?

[Luke Lafreniere]

He's driving.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I mean, a while. Like I would expect him to get his license right when he is of age.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's apparently not a thing anymore. Have you heard about that? That's interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

I have some pretty strong feelings about that. That might not be popular. I see driving as a fundamental life skill. I see it as being just an important part of being a competent adult.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Your insurance gets cheaper the longer you have your license.

[Dan]

I was so scared that we would have differing opinions. I thought you were going to take the. Nah, driving is not necessary. And I would have just left all the goodwill gone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, goodbye.

[Linus Sebastian]

And there's a lot of places in the world where you might never use the skill or certainly not often.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But just in case you do, your insurance is super cheap.

[Linus Sebastian]

Look, I don't agree with my mother about everything, but you know, when she was. When she was convincing me to learn to drive stick, and I don't necessarily think that most people need to learn stick anymore, there were a lot more Stick shift cars back in the early 2000 2000s than there are today. But when she was convincing me that I needed to learn to drive stick a manual transmission with the shifter, her rationale for it was you don't know where you're going to be and what the situation is going to be when there's an emergency. If the driver is incapacitated for some reason and we need to get to the hospital now, you need to be able to drive. You need to be able to drive any vehicle and you need to be ready for it. You don't need to be the most practiced operator of the thing, but you damn well need to know how to do it. And I kind of carried that with me. I agree. I strongly agree. And I think that even if you will probably never drive, you should learn to drive.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Vertig1 said being able to drive isn't the same thing as having a license. I do agree with that. But I don't think at least here getting a license is not that big of a step and the potential benefits behind it are really big. Like, oh, if you do need a car for whatever reason, your insurance is way cheaper. The ability to upgrade your license in case you need to have an upgraded license for a certain line of work that you might need to do it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Opens up so many work possibilities.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Keeping yourself limited in that way and making it so that if you do need it, it's going to be very expensive just seems really oddly short sighted for something that is not that big of a barrier.

[Dan]

Are you always going to live in a super walkable city? Maybe you want to move?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's the arguments and the cost.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Of housing and stuff lately. Like you're probably going to move at some point and it's one of those.

[Linus Sebastian]

Things where not, not everybody is in a life situation where they're able to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. And the barrier might be too high.

[Linus Sebastian]

And the barrier might be too high. They may not have access to a vehicle, they might not have someone to teach them. They might have a physical disability. I don't know. Everyone's life is there, but if you have the opportunity and you're just like, I disagree.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Yeah. Like I knew people that didn't have access to a vehicle in order to take their test and that was a pretty big barrier. Some of them still got over it by like, you know, paying a friend to borrow theirs, which is kind of sketchy to be clear.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Or other various options. I think there's also places where you can, you can rent a car, but then renting a car is really expensive. And I think as far as my understanding goes, it's even more expensive when you're renting it for that reason. There's like, there's lots of different reasons why it might not make sense, but the dip in people getting their licenses does not match those reasons being more legitimate. You know what I mean? Like, that it doesn't follow that line.

[Linus Sebastian]

So Arbiter K, I don't know if this is true, but Arbiter K says Gavin, free of slow mo guys fame, is in his 30s and does not have a driver's license. That actually blows my mind. I will say that Gavin, who I have met, is in a life situation where he doesn't need to drive himself anywhere. So that's something you are not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just kids. Just get it. Just get it. Oh, my goodness, that's.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know if that's true.

[Dan]

Anyway, though, UK licensing is. It's a very hard test.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

We would be put to shame.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, that's not too surprising.

[Dan]

Hello and clear.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's lots of cities that I wouldn't drive in, even though I do know how to drive. Like, there's. There's places I've been that I'm just like, this is terrifying. Yep. So there's that as well.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's also places where, like, if you have an international driver's license, you're allowed to drive, but, like, the road laws are so different that you just probably shouldn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I wouldn't even consider driving in, like, an. A metropolitan city in, like, India.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wouldn't even begin to consider it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not even though rules of the road. Just the styles of driving are so different.

[Linus Sebastian]

So different.

[Luke Lafreniere]

My goodness. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hello.

[Dan]

Lld. I'm a power sports student who was told to buy a quality ratcheting screwdriver. Power Sports motorsports.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Dan]

Yeah. Linus, has there been any consideration towards motorcycle riding when designing any products on the store?

[Linus Sebastian]

I'd say the only one is the backpack. And the only consideration really was that it would fit over, like, my shoulder pads on my riding jacket and that the carabiner zipper pulls were. Because, A, I thought they were kind of cool. I saw them somewhere and I thought they were cool. And B, because I would ride with my rackets, my badminton rackets sticking out of the bag. And so I needed a zipper system that would hold. Hold but not come apart. Yeah, but hold but not close completely. Yeah, that's about it.

[Dan]

Good evening, Daniel, Lucas and Sebastian. I'm Looking to get into swimming as my exercise routine. Sorry, keep going. Curious as to how that is going for you and any tips on getting started.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was great this summer. Like, I actually, like, got boobs and my cardio is way better. Um, I've switched over to Beat Saber now that the weather sucks and I am looking forward to swimming again next year. The only tip I can give you is do it, you coward. Uh, it's. It's so hard to get motivated to get to the pool. Even when it's in my backyard, it's still hard to like go get changed and like get in the water. But once you get going, it's. Yeah, it's good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The relatively long drive to my gym sucks, but the gym that's closer to my house is way overpopulated to the point where if I wanted to do the same workout that I do at the gym that I go to, it would take sometimes up to four times as long to the point where in a three hour period I might not be able to get enough time on each one of the machines to even finish my workout that I can do in an hour at the other gym. So frustrating. It's not even worth it. I have to drive. Um, the other thing I would say is if you don't want to pull a ME and get an ear infection, if you're going to be swimming all the time, maybe get earplugs or something. They're pretty cheap. I bought some like Nike ones and they were like $9 or something. $10, $12. Somewhere around there.

[Dan]

Last one I've got for you today. Hi, dll. What features are in the works for floatplane? And are there any features that you would like to implement? What kinds of things does the team do do for the other companies?

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a lot of questions.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Whoa.

[Linus Sebastian]

Could you give us a product roadmap and also a business proposal for a quarterly business review for.

[Dan]

What's your Q5 looking like?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Honestly, each one of those I could make a whole show about. Wow. The roadmap I'm not giving you because I have learned my lesson on that. And if we make any change of decision or do anything whatsoever to alter.

[Linus Sebastian]

It, you'll say, you won't be mad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

People will go freaking nuclear.

[Linus Sebastian]

You'll go apesh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We're working on stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it's good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And people are gonna be happy. And it is what it is. We don't have like, you know, the, the agility or the speed that some notably larger teams have. We don't have feature parity with things like YouTube and Twitch and stuff like that. And that just is what it is. We don't have the developer base. We don't have the armies of developers to do stuff like that. And that's okay. We still have cool things. I think Floor Plane is good and we're going to keep doing good stuff. And it does feel like over time we are trending to getting closer to them, which I find interesting and cool. So it's getting better over time, which is good. So I'll say that in regards to other things that the team does that has slowly shifted into more dedicated positions than it originally was. So you have people like Conrad doing things for lttstore. Technically, the floatplane team encompasses the labs web team, so the lab's website is technically on the floor. Floatplane team.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, did we ever talk about the changes to. I don't even think labs on the. On the show.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't even think you've seen them all.

[Linus Sebastian]

Them all.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Have you seen them all? When's the last time you use the site?

[Linus Sebastian]

When I saw us tweet about it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Tweet about what?

[Linus Sebastian]

About the new layout and stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, have you seen the page layout, though? Not this. Have you seen the layout changes to the actual product pages? Have you seen this?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Where it, like animates the hardware notes thing on the left hand side and stuff?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

See, when it loads, the next thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

It'S like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I came on when. When we tweeted about it. I found out about it in a tweet, which is hilarious.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I didn't even know we tweeted about it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. They were like, hey, come check out the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it looks great.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's really awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

Looks super pro.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I will. I will yet again not publicly say the roadmap, but there is something that we're looking into working on right now, which I think think people will like a lot. And it's in the spirit of some of the redesigns we've done to the. To the front page and the product pages. And honestly, I think it's really sharp. I think some of the work that's been done there has been really, really good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oops, I clicked the wrong link. Are we fans of fanless power supplies? This is actually pretty cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They looked at the articles we've been doing are awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

They've got thermals and efficiency. The answer, unless you're a liar or stupid, is almost always, pretty much always gonna Be.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It depends.

[Linus Sebastian]

It depends. Then you gotta read the rest of the. You gotta read the rest of the thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah. I really like the aesthetic direction that we're taking with the lab site right now. I think the changes that were done to the sections of the product pages, even. It might not seem that important, but even like this, I'm gonna bring up my. So where it says hardware notes here, it's going to seem really small, but just when you scroll down, having it do that makes the page feel a lot more dynamic, in my opinion. Yeah, so as you're going through, we used to have all the sections automatically minimized. They don't do that anymore, which I think is better. It has that little animation thing, so the page kind of feels alive. I really, really like Dan's whole concept here.

[Linus Sebastian]

By having other den.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes, by having all of the like picture and stat information on the right and the write up stuff on the left. So it feels like. And the write up stays with you as you're scrolling through the stat information. So it's just. I don't know, the flow just feels really good. I'm. I really like how the site feels right now. I think it's. I think it's great. There's. There's still work to be done. We need to work on stuff like the comparison bin, stuff like that. But yeah, it's really. It's really coming into its own, in my opinion.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you're still interim head of labs, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are you applying for the job or.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, am I applying for the job?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. I don't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm not applying for the. I don't audition.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just work here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You take me. You don't, brother.

[Linus Sebastian]

We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Bye.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's after 8. You need to go. Oh, I lost track. I lost track and then I realized.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was tracking.

[Linus Sebastian]

It.