The Hardest Secrets I’ve Ever Kept - WAN Show November 14, 2025

Summary

The WAN Show: "The Hardest Secrets I’ve Ever Kept" – November 14, 2025

Podcast: The WAN Show by Linus Tech Tips
Hosts: Linus Sebastian & Luke Lafreniere
Date: November 15, 2025

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Episode Overview

This extra-long WAN Show was an episode for the ages, jammed with game-changing hardware news from Valve, existential rants on rechargeable batteries, a historic visit from Linus Torvalds to the LTT studio (and all the heartbreak of a certain someone missing out), and the usual blend of tech culture banter, audience questions, and deep-dive thought experiments. Linus and Luke navigated a week full of monumental tech announcements, reflected on personal highlights, debated product design choices, and answered some delightfully odd user questions. If you want the full story behind Valve's bombshell hardware launches and a rare behind-the-scenes of meeting the creator of Linux, look no further.

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Main Topics & Segments

1. Valve’s Monumental Hardware Launch

Timestamps: [03:47] – [54:43]

Key Announcements & Discussion Points

• Valve’s New Hardware Drop: Steam Machine (mini PC), Steam Frame (VR headset), and (new) Steam Controller.
• Steam Frame:
  • Standalone VR headset powered by 4nm Snapdragon ARM.
  • Lightweight, battery at the back, 16GB unified memory, up to 1TB storage.
  • Dual radios for 5 GHz Wi-Fi and 6 GHz VR streaming.
  • FEX compatibility: allows x86 games to run on ARM via a compatibility layer.
  • Foveated Streaming: Streams highest visual fidelity only to where your eyes are looking.
  • LCD screens instead of OLED for power/cost reasons; “People are hung up about the LCD thing, I get it. But Valve had a reason.” – Linus [10:32]
  • Concerns over AA batteries in controllers—leads to a passionate rechargeable battery rant.
• Steam Machine:
  • Linux-based, roughly 6x Steam Deck performance.
  • AMD 6-core Zen4, 16GB DDR5, 8GB VRAM, up to 2TB SSD (upgradable).
  • Comes with new Steam Controller.
  • Pricing debate: will not follow aggressive console subsidy models; likely $999 for the kit, higher than many expected and not “console-pricing.”
  • “From a performance standpoint... The biggest justification to me is I can take advantage of Steam sales. If it’s more expensive, that’s the most meaningful thing.” – Linus [41:28]
  • Discussion of open/console-like paradigms, Linux as daily driver, and long-term support.

Notable Quotes

• “This is our Apple Vision Pro. No, actually, this is our ‘Whoa, interesting’ in the VR space.” – Linus [06:11]
• “I might actually care about the computer inside the headset—because of that FEX compatibility layer. That’s wild!” – Linus [10:32]
• “Every criticism of Frame, I see why Valve made the choices—even if I’d do it differently.” – Linus [13:59]
• “Go buy rechargeable batteries. Literally, it’s for your own good. People, stop throwing money away!” – Linus, ranting [16:59-19:55]

Memorable Moments

• Linus gets passionately angry at the public for not using rechargeable batteries.
• Luke tries to process his Bigscreen Beyond VR headset now feeling obsolete.

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2. Linus Torvalds (the ‘Other Linus’) Visits LTT

Timestamps: [63:30] – [110:59] (and continued throughout after dark)

Summary

• Linus Torvalds, creator of Linux, made his first-ever visit to the LTT studio to film a collab, blow the hosts’ collective minds, and apparently, humble Linus S. himself.
• Discussion of Torvalds’ idiosyncratic email habits, deadpan personality, “try anything once” philosophy, and the surreal sensation of hosting one of tech’s most consequential figures.
• Linus and Sammy recount the behind-the-scenes nerves, the surreal hallway wait for Torvalds’ arrival, and how he was a “total Chad, but humble” [69:33].
• The WAN team debates whether any future collab could top it (Gaben and Wozniak are suggested as possible, but not as meaningful, alternatives).
• Linus shares the existential high of being validated by Torvalds: “If he thinks what we’re doing is cool, then it’s cool as far as I’m concerned.” [78:21]
• Personal highlights include Linus getting Torvalds to cringe at dad jokes, and Sammy’s 25-minute one-on-one drive with Torvalds.
• “They say never meet your heroes—meet this one.” – Linus [79:13]
• Linus expresses that the experience may be the highlight of his entire career, recounting previous “breakthrough memories” for comparison. [92:19]
• Linus’s reactions to Torvalds knowing Electroboom and Evan & Katelyn, but not LTT.
• Missed opportunity: Luke's heartbreak at missing the shoot due to a scheduling conflict on his birthday, resulting in a (now iconic) signed floatplane desk sign instead.

Notable Quotes

• “The highlight was that he genuinely thought what we’re doing is cool... That was amazing.” – Linus [78:21]
• “They say never meet your heroes, right? Meet this one.” – Linus [79:13]
• “Consequential is the word for Linus Torvalds. Dwayne ‘The Rock’ Johnson is more famous, but not more consequential.” – Linus [84:58]
• “Getting him to cringe at my dad jokes... was so fun.” – Linus [79:42]

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3. Rant Section: Batteries, Product Naming, and Region Locking

Timestamps: Various; especially [16:59-25:39], [54:44-63:15], [186:05-190:43]

Key Points & Memorable Debates

• AA Batteries vs Rechargeables: Linus berates the world for continuing to buy disposable batteries instead of rechargeables, sparking laughter and chat mayhem.
• Valve’s Reuse of Product Names:
  • Linus rails against Valve reusing the name “Steam Controller” for a new product (“Nothing should ever be named exactly the same!”), citing Apple iPad and confusion for future repair guides. [55:58-62:54]
• Region-Locked Products: Lively discussion on the anti-consumer nature of region locking, with Linus arguing for timed locks at most—or none at all. [186:05-190:43]
  • "Region locks are anti consumer and should always be objected to." – Linus [186:29]

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4. Community, Audience, and Tech Culture

Timestamps: Throughout; see [211:03-220:00] for After Dark user Qs/emails

Highlights

• Audience Chat Segments: Twitch and Floatplane chat often become part of the show, sometimes nearly out of control, especially during battery discussions and personal topic tangents.
• LTT Team Dynamics: Amusing behind-the-scenes banter about missed opportunities, prank birthday songs, and office culture (including a serious pitch for a studio cat to control mice).
• After Dark: Extended Q&A; topics included annoying noises (chewing, playing phone audio in public), digital hygiene, and favorite colors for LTT merch.

Notable Quotes

• "[Talking about floatplane merch budget]—'I realized that we actually do try to not be a sh*tty place to work.'" – Luke
• "I don't have rivalry with my siblings. None of us aspire to the same things." – Linus [129:10]

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5. Quickfire Tech News & Industry Chatter

Timestamps: After [137:03], sprinkled and rapid-fire

• Microsoft Exec calls Windows “an agentic OS” (AI-powered future); users roast him.
• Ubisoft financial woes—delay in earnings, Tencent’s growing influence, and the Canadian video game industry's contraction discussed in somber tones.
• Google briefly tried to lock sideloading; criticism led to a partial reversal for experienced users.
• AI artist ‘Breakin Rust’ tops Billboard’s country digital chart, but possibly via obvious botting; debate over the reality and future of AI music.
• Jack Dorsey funds Divine, a Vine reboot with a ban on AI content. Shortform video hasn’t changed much, but the platform's decentralization and open-source philosophy draw interest.
• Hardware rapid-fire: memory prices rising due to AI demand, right-to-repair regulations for EOL products, AI misuse in courts, Russian humanoid robot falls on its face, Google Nest hacked back to life by open-source project.

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6. Notable, Memorable Moments & Quotes

Rechargeable Batteries Rant

• “Literally, this is for your own good. Go buy some nickel metal hydride batteries. Why is this funny?” – Linus [18:09]
• “Buy once, cry once! ...Actually, no, I'm not gonna let you do the math because you're a f—ing idiot. No, they don't cost 50 times as much. Go buy rechargeable batteries. You can thank me later.” – Linus [19:33]

Valve & VR Hype

• "The wireless streaming, dude. It blew me away. I get to have PC VR wirelessly." – Linus [31:12]

On Missing the Big Torvalds Collab

• "Instead of being here for the coolest shoot we've ever done... I have Linus's autograph on my sign. Worst birthday ever, potentially." – Luke [100:00]

Meeting Linus Torvalds

• "They say never meet your heroes. Meet this one, because he's so cool." – Linus [79:13]
• "Consequential is the word I would use for Linus Torvalds..." – Linus [84:49]

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Segment Timestamps

• Valve Hardware Deep Dive: [03:47] – [54:43]
• Naming Rants, Steam Controller Naming: [54:44] – [63:15]
• Linus Torvalds Visits LTT—Full Debrief: [63:30] – [112:03] (with personal recollections throughout)
• After Dark & Audience Q&A: [211:03] – [265:30]
• Quick News Debrief & Discussions: Sprinkled after [137:03]
• Tech Rants (Batteries, Region Locking): [16:59] – [25:39]; [186:05–190:43]

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Conclusion & Takeaways

This epic episode captured a momentous week for the tech world and LTT internally: Valve’s most exciting hardware launch since the original 30-series GPUs; historic in-person time with Linus Torvalds; the heartbreak of missing out as a tech nerd; and the passionate (sometimes comical) rants and reflective moments that have come to define the WAN Show.

Key Messages:

• The Valve hardware launches (especially Steam Frame) are a generational leap for PC enthusiasts.
• Linux, open hardware, and user-rights remain at the center of LTT's values—both philosophically and through direct personal interactions.
• Rechargeable batteries, clear naming, and anti-region-locking—just do it!
• Even for seasoned creators, meeting your hero (Torvalds) can be the absolute highlight of a career.
• The WAN Show team—despite being hilariously off-track at times—delivers a deeply entertaining, insightful, and community-driven discussion haven for tech fans.

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For More

Check out the LTT main channel for in-depth reviews on the Steam Frame, Machine, and Controller, plus the Torvalds collab video dropping soon (possibly extended cut on floatplane.com)!

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End-of-Episode Highlight

“They say never meet your heroes—meet this one. Because he’s so cool.” – Linus Sebastian [79:13]

Transcript

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hello, friends.

[Linus Sebastian]

Guess who? That's right. It is I, the replacer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Once again, I've been called on so.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can play the new Call of Duty Black Ops 7 with three expansive modes, 18 multiplayer maps, and the tastiest.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Zombie gameplay you've ever freaking seen.

[Linus Sebastian]

Call of Duty Black Ops 7 available now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Rated M for mature.

[Linus Sebastian]

What is up, L's and G's? Welcome to the WAN Show. We've got. Oh, my God.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Such a good show.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's actually true.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Actually, such a good show.

[Linus Sebastian]

I have so much stuff that I'm excited to talk to you guys about. The two big ones are, of course, Valve opened the spigot, which is a type of Valve.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And unleashed upon the worldth a truly earth shattering bit of news for poor Mr. Luc Lafreniere, who just bought a VR headset that is not. We'll talk about the Steam frame.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We'll talk about that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Also the Steam machine, the Steam controller, which we need to talk about the name of. Okay, we need to talk about the name of the Steam controller. In other news, Linus was here. Holy actual shit. And. And Luke got fucked over on that too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So hard. Literally, actually.

[Linus Sebastian]

On Luke lafreniere's birthday.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Linus came to our studio and Luke couldn't be here for it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There was a way for it to have been avoided.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know anything about that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it was not. It's not your fault.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know anything about that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I wasn't looking at you.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know anything about that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm just saying I don't know about it. We'll talk about it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Talk about it. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. It's the shopping season and so I'm just gonna. I'm gonna jump out ahead of things a little bit. All right, we'll get you more topics, but first, lttstore.com major focus for us this week. We've got our Buy More, Save More combo going right now. If you buy apparel you buy, the more discount you get up to 25% off. We have a holiday loot drop going on right now where if you spend $100 or more, you can win a pair of Sennheiser HD. Does that. That says 550. I thought it was 560s. Whatever. A pair of Sennheiser headphones or if you're really lucky, an Asus Rog Xbox, Ally X. And hey, we've got new products.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I really like this one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Including the RGB sweater. Oh, my God. We're gonna need a Closer look at this. There you go. You can flecks of RGB. It's 100% cotton knit with tiny multi nep yarn. Flecks. Clean, polished look great for the office while the colorful specs keep it fun for holiday hangouts. And we have. Yes, that's right. We finally have beanies again. RGB beanies in black and gray in both regular and linus lengths. There you go. See? So if you have a deeper head or if you have a shallower head, we got you warm, cozy and ties right in with the rest of the RGB lineup. Lmg, gg, rgb. Okay, Luke, you got a couple topics.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I do? First off, Taran wore that RGB sweater to an event that we both went to and I thought it looked really sharp and didn't actually realize it was ours until like a day or two ago. Anyways, Microsoft exec says Windows is evolving into an agentic operating system. You picked that and gets.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a week of good news.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, the reason. The reason why. The reason why I want to talk about this is because Windows is getting dzunked right now. That's what all of the intro topics are about. It's Valve doing Linux stuff and Linux guy.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can't call him Linux guy. That is why he didn't want to meet you. Oh wow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Speaking of not wanting to meet or something. I don't know. Another company that can't stop digging is Ubisoft, if I can find the topic about it. They have delayed their half year earnings report and requested halting trading until its release, which is generally a bad sign.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh man, the Linux guy. How dare you. The show is brought to you today by Vessi Odoo, Corsair and Odd Pieces. Alongside of course, our rap partner, dBrand, our laptop partner, Della, and our chair partner. Don't you dare.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Secret laugh.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's upside down. Right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

What do we want to do for. I mean, it's gotta be Valve. It's gotta be Valve.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude. This guy was like dying. Because I saw him the day after the Valve event because we were both attending a thing that was farther down the west coast. But for the first 10 hours we were in mixed company, so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I knew where he was and I knew the potential level of importance.

[Linus Sebastian]

Of that, but I. We didn't even have a private moment for me to tell him what was launched. Basically all I was able to tell him was things we expected. Also something we didn't expect.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, which got me most of the way there, but not the whole Way there.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So it was when we were finally able to sit down at dinner and I was able to like talk him through it. He's like, dude, this was, this was the hardware launch of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, this was our Apple Vision Pro. No, Apple Vision Pro was like the normie people's like, whoa, interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is our Whoa, interesting in the VR space. But I would actually go back even farther than that. This for your IT computer gamer, someone who watches the WAN show, that. That demographic right there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is the most exciting launch since what, maybe 30 series RTX. 30 series. And when I say 30 series, I'm not talking the bull, like pricing that happened afterward with the COVID Silicon Short, all that stuff. I'm talking like when it launched. You probably remember where you were when you found out that the RTX 3080 was like 500 bucks or 600 bucks or whatever. And it was like the performance was huge over the uninspiring 20 series.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Too bad. Not real.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like what?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but we're talking, we're talking the initial news, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the initial news. Like what else? What else would qualify here? Steam Deck was hype. That was four years ago now. Like, it's been a desert.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude. To me, this is more interesting than the initial Steam Deck announcement and that might even sound a little bit surprising. But my reason for that is that this actually came with Steam Deck news kind of as a sidebar thing. And this to me, you know, we got the indication that this might have been a plan back when they first talked about Steam machines forever ago. But this really shows that they're embracing like Valve hardware as an ecosystem, which is really cool. Very exciting. It's also super exciting that the Steam machine is coming linux based with SteamOS. And it's just like the normalization of people using Linux all the time for things was already pretty big with the Steam Deck. But now it also being in a Steam machine for people that just want a console like experience because a bunch of people aren't going to care about handhelds and that's cool. And a bunch of handheld people won't care about a console experience.

[Linus Sebastian]

And that's cool too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Also cool. So now that we have both, it's just awesome. It's very exciting.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why don't we run through the news for anyone, the handful of you that might have missed those somewhat large events? This week on a random Wednesday, Valve announced the Steam machine, the Steam frame and the Steam controller. Let's start with the frame. This is their new standalone VR headset that's powered by a 4 nanometer Snapdragon ARM CPU. It has 16 gigs of unified memory, Wi Fi 7.2x2. And this is dual Wi Fi 5 gigahertz and 6 gigahertz for streaming the VR video feed and for normal WI Fi. So you can like download games and stuff. Now, hold on a second. I don't actually know that it is dual 6 gigahertz that is in my notes. I don't remember them telling me that. But the way that they held the briefing made it not just possible, but likely for some media outlets to get information that either through just forgetfulness or not asking all the right probing questions others might not have. So, yeah, anyway, that may be true. It's in my notes. I don't remember them telling me that. Up to a terabyte of storage on board, the displays are 2160 by 2160 LCDs and range from 72 to 120Hz refresh rate with an experimental mode of 144Hz just like the index. But in spite of it having onboard compute, you know, like a quest, for instance, from Meta. It's so light, it's so wearable, it's so well balanced with the battery.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, this is surprisingly important.

[Linus Sebastian]

With the battery pack at the back, it's nice and tight to the face thanks to its pancake lenses. That's actually Valve's justification for using LCDs so that they can juice the brightness of the displays enough to overcome the losses from the pancake lenses. I've only used it for a few minutes at this point because I was really busy like writing videos and shooting them and stuff while I was in there. So I'm gonna really need to compare them side by side. But if I had to guess, because. Yeah, so dual radios enable concurrent 5 GHz Wi Fi and 6 GHz VR streaming. That's what I understood, not what I said from my notes. Thank you for looking that up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No problem.

[Linus Sebastian]

What was I talking about just now? Something. Right, LCDs. So I need to try it. I need to try this side by side with the big screen beyond two, because that's got OLEDs, but it also has a tether. So a big part of what Valve is trying to do here is maintain power efficiency for this bloody thing. Right? So I've seen a lot of people push back on Valve's justification for using lcd, saying, well, I. Other VR headsets use pancake lenses and OLED displays and it's like, right, but how much power budget are they using to juice these OLED displays? There's also a cost factor to overcome it. There's a cost factor too. And that was a major concern that I had for the frame. Because as soon as I hear it's got a computer on it, I go great, a computer. I don't care about that now I have to buy. But man, is this thing ever cool. I might actually care about the computer. And that is because of the FEX compatibility layer that Valve has been contributing to. In order to speed up the development, FEX allows you to run x86 games on the local ARM CPU which is also running Steam os. These guys have been absolutely cooking over there. Of course, the most mind blowing part to me was when I heard about foveated streaming. So a big concern for me. As soon as I heard that Project Deckard was gonna be a standalone VR headset, I was like, fuck. Because Valve was the only one that was left that was doing outside in proper freaking tracking that is accurate and like just fuck, right? With a tether and high visual fidelity. You know everything else Apple Vision Pro was going to using wireless streaming and the Quest, like you can use a wire, it's flaky, you can stream wirelessly, but it's imperfect at best. And so as soon as I found out it was standalone, I was like, great. There goes the, the ecosystem for us people who care about accuracy and. Well, yeah, accuracy, low latency.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I originally fully agreed with you and had the exact same reaction when I heard about Deckard. But these days with big screen I'm less concerned because I feel like they can be the champions of that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, we'll get to that. Okay, maybe, maybe not. But when Valve did the demo showing me their wireless streaming showing with foveated streaming. So if you didn't watch the video, what it basically means is that they are dynamically adjusting their use of the, of the bit rate that you have. Like because your, your connection, your link speed is only whatever it is, right? And so by focusing their use of their limited bit rate that they have because it's not a wired HDMI or DisplayPort connection on the areas that your eyes are actually looking at, actually focused on, they achieve a level of fidelity that admittedly I wasn't looking at it side by side, but that I could not discern from a wired connection. And I couldn't see the. I like, I couldn't move my eyes fast enough. We used a shot in the video of me looking around like this, which is not how you would try to beat it like you would try to flick your eyes. The time it takes for my eyes to move to a new spot and refocus is slower than the time it takes for them to track my pupils and reallocate their streaming bitrate budget and have that be the highest fidelity part of the scene. I couldn't see it. Luke. Crazy. The proof's gonna be in the longer term use. I was only able to play Half Life Alyx which admittedly I didn't enjoy that much. I didn't really get through it. I didn't mention that to them. But the other big one that I was concerned about as someone who has enjoyed full body tracking in the past was Beat Saber. So I've, I've streamed Beat Saber with ankle and waist trackers in addition to my hand and head trackers and I was really concerned about both the ability to move my hands fast enough without losing tracking using camera based tracking. So far it looks like they have invested heavily enough in the onboard processing on the controllers as well as in quality quality inside out tracking cameras and the positioning is such that you can get pretty far back before you actually lose tracking that it looks like that won't be an issue. As for whether you can use base stations with your older tracker devices, I've seen quite a few people ask about that. I don't know yet. But that is going to be one of the first things that I'm going to try once I have a frame in hand. So like this thing is wild. It's so. It's the versatility, the fact that I can get as far as I can tell, I wouldn't say zero compromises because it isn't an oled but a low compromise PC VR experience now with no tether. Wow. The fact that I can run games locally on this thing, right? Lighter games obviously VR titles and play those is wow. And then the fact that I can play everything from like literal like PC games to media on just a giant screen like I might do with something like an Apple Vision Pro is triple wow. Like it's, it's, it's awesome. And literally every criticism that I've seen of it so far, I either fully understand why Valve made the choice that they did and I can, and I can, I can, I can agree with their justification even if I might have done it differently or I think the criticism is just frankly stupid. Like man, I don't understand how in the year and I'm about to offend some people I think, but I don't understand how in the year 2025 you can somehow not be aware of nickel metal hydride double A cells?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I, I can definitely imagine how.

[Linus Sebastian]

How.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How would most people outside of this, this group that's watching this or other similar content have ran into that?

[Linus Sebastian]

Because disposable batteries are so expensive, you'd think they'd look for an alternative.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think a lot of people run into disposable batteries in their day to day.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, you've been to a Costco lately. You see how big the pallets of disposable batteries are. People are buying the crap out of these things and all they had to do is go buy like 8 eneloops and a Charger and then never buy one again.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Grabbing the ones at Costco or grabbing the pack from like Ikea and just not thinking about it ever. Because they throw it in their TV remote and then it lasts for like two years or longer.

[Linus Sebastian]

But double A's go in all kinds of things. Kids toys, Xbox controllers, adult toys. Yeah, exactly. Get.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe people just aren't being super economical about their adults toys.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's just use them less, dude. It's wild to me. Like you can. Yeah. Okay, so one person, one person here says, yeah, the disposables last longer in the device. Like my God, who cares? Yes, it's a little bit longer, but literally if you factor in the time to walk down the aisle and go get the stupid batteries, you've already accounted for the extra time that you'll use. Changing the batteries slightly more often. Like it really is not that big of a deal, especially in low usage devices. But they're so expensive. Buy one. Dude, I have Eneloops in my house that I've had for 10 years.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah, that have been probably longer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Probably 50 recharge cycles. They still work. Like, can people just not throw, literally throw away money? Like, this is for your own good. Go buy some nickel metal hydride batteries. What? Why is this funny?

[Sammy]

It's just that whole sentence, go buy some Michael batteries. It's just such a funny sentence.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We don't even offer them. Not from us. Just buy it from someone.

[Sammy]

Really funny. I'm sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

Twitch. Twitch is going to lose their chat privileges pretty quickly.

[Dan]

Duracel will never sponsor us again.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't even.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why does you know what's expensive? Rechargeable batteries. Yeah. One time. One time.

[Dan]

Buy once, cry once.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, you can recharge it like 50 times. A hundred times. Do they cost 50 times as much? I'll let you do the. Actually, no, I'm not gonna let you do the math because you're a f. Ing idiot. No, they don't cost 50 times as much. Go buy rechargeable batteries. You can thank me later.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We're losing Elijah.

[Sammy]

Dad's so mad.

[Linus Sebastian]

First time dying here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, I generally pretty much agree with all that. The only thing I don't agree with is like, how do people not realize it? It's like, I mean, it's pretty obvious. Consumers, man, at the stores they're shopping at, in a lot of cases, they're just not there.

[Sammy]

Linus just forgets that he's the smartest person in the room at all times.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So he's just so overwhelmingly intelligent.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's the problem. I'm not that smart. I hate being the smartest person in a room.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's a really hard time buying helmets.

[Dan]

Have you tried huffing paint more often? Sounds like a good hobby for someone like you.

[Sammy]

Good Friday night.

[Dan]

Yeah, I know what I'm doing after.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The show to deal with Twitch chat.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm dying now. To be clear, to be clear, to be clear, there are situations where an alkaline makes more sense. So for I like, I keep alkalines in my house as well. So for instance. For instance.

[Dan]

Oh, my God, this is going all over Reddit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Low end kids toys. I would tip. I'll tip. Can. Can I. Can I talk? I feel like you. Can I just talk without being interrupted?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm not even saying anything.

[Dan]

Your judgment speaks very loudly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can't believe you would give a horrible experience to your children.

[Dan]

It's not a ruining the next generation.

[Linus Sebastian]

So for low end kids toys, where I think it's very likely that we're gonna end up, like, donating it before it would even run through an entire battery cycle, I don't want to risk losing my expensive rechargeable batteries. So there are situations where I'll throw an alkaline into something because I'm just like, yeah, this is very likely to be lost. Because, like, for certain toys, it literally will double, like the value of that thing if you put a couple rechargeable batteries in it. Like, I'd. Nah, nah, forget it. I'll throw alkalines in there. But. And there are devices, particularly like super high draw ones that actually don't run properly on rechargeables. There are devices that don't respond well to the lower voltage range of rechargeable batteries.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry, not you.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're gonna lose your chat privileges. You're gonna lose Your chat privileges. You're gonna lose your chat privileges. All of you. I have to moderate.

[Dan]

I have to read them now you're stuck with them too.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is what it's like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really funny. There's also a lot of names from floatplane that are hanging out.

[Dan]

Yeah, I reduced slow mode as well just to make it worse on everyone.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, look, the point is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, flipping chat is back.

[Linus Sebastian]

That one of the biggest criticisms by Twitch. I'm coming back on topic here. One of the. Oh, cool. You know what? Twitch Chat hasn't lost their privileges yet. They can keep it for now. The problem is. Sorry. The biggest complaint that I've seen about the frame is the AA battery in the controllers. And that was pretty wild to me, especially as someone who has knuckles controllers and an index and has experienced forgetting to charge the integrated lithium battery and then had to like charge for 10 minutes, play for 15 minutes, charge for 10 minutes, play for15 minutes. Like that is not a better experience than just having a little quad cell charger somewhere near your VR headset and then just popping your dead battery into it, grabbing a freshly charged one, popping it into the controller and then being ready to go for another full charge cycle. It is, it is actually objectively faster to get back up and running. And the weight of a double A cell. Yeah, I can see people not being that into it because they have to have like a big metal housing around them compared to like a, compared to just like a pack style lithium battery. Excuse me. Pouch style was the word I was looking for. Yeah, I don't love having the extra weight, but for the convenience of being able to quickly swap a battery, I think it is well worth it. And it is. I mean, let's face it, this thing is not going to be cheap.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is there a price out there?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is there a price out there on any of this?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I, but, but Valve did make.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Some nudges, some indications.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, they, they, they did indicate sort of what they were targeting. And I think the goal was for it to be not more expensive than index. So the headset itself is loaded up to the gills with expensive tech, but you don't need base stations, so that helps, I guess. And then we'll see where the chips fall in terms of pricing. But I wouldn't be surprised to see 9.99. I wouldn't be surprised to see the same price as, as an index or rather shoot, what's the index? What's the index go for in the states? Index price in USD. Oh, shoot. Yeah, you have to say Valve index. Otherwise, you just end up with all kinds of other things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

999.9.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For the kit.

[Linus Sebastian]

I did get that. Right. Okay. But I mean, essentially the headset is 659, but you're not gonna be able to buy this without the kit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So the headset and controllers is. Oh, wait, what? Oh, what's up? If you want the whole thing. So headset controllers, base stations, all that. It's 13, 19. Oh, Canadian.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, Canadian. So that's. That's a grand. Yeah. Okay. All right. What are we even. Oh, yeah. Wow. We're still talking about the valve announcements.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure are.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Elijah's never going home. He's actually here to talk about the other big news from this week.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is Linus X Linus. But, I mean, we can't move on from the frame without talking about how much buyer's remorse you must be feeling right now.

[Sammy]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

So he just. I don't know. Like, two months ago, bought a Big Screen beyond two.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I bought it before then. I just received it somewhere around.

[Linus Sebastian]

Have you fired it up yet?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I still don't have a functional dwelling.

[Linus Sebastian]

So by the time you actually get to use your big screen beyond two.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It might be halfway through 2026.

[Linus Sebastian]

We'll see the frame. What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm kidding.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay. The frame. The frame could literally be, like, imminently available.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

How do you feel about that, sir?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is such a word. This is a podcast.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Big Screen beyond is still really cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can't just say, I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The Big Screen beyond is still really cool. I don't know how much regret I'm going to feel. I feel like I actually might end up with both of them, which might sound insane.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I was. I was going to. I was about to make a joke about how the regret could be kind of tugging on you a little bit. That. Because honestly, that's. I think that's the biggest downside. There are still advantages to the Beyond 2 OLED displays.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

It is smaller and lighter. Better light seal because it's bespoke.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The light seal is incredible.

[Linus Sebastian]

Literally perfect. Yeah, literally perfect.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Very comfortable as well.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I don't know if it's as good as the front. Yeah. Tough. Depends on how long you're wearing it. Have you actually worn it for, like, doing anything physical?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

So the Beyond. Because it has, like, a rubbery type of material, like a silicone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's still literally here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So in a box on my desk.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'M so sorry. Because it uses that material, you end up with what I call swamp eye a little bit. Because it's not breathable.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Whereas the deck uses a more, a more breathable style material and it has like gaps. Like you can kind of, you know, you can kind of look down and see where you're going with the, with the deck. Not that you like, should you just use the pass through cameras, obviously, but.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But you can hot take black and white. Totally fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I don't even care, dude. I. Oh, man. I had someone like come at me in the comments because I. Because I criticized it for not being able to walk around with the camera pass through. I was a bro. I'm joking.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was taking a shot at Apple Vision Pro, people who were walking around with their stupid headsets on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was like, oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't even know if it was a couple of weeks.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, a week.

[Luke Lafreniere]

First few days, then that stopped pretty quick.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I don't really care about the black and white cameras. This to me feels like I have a seated or near computer experience, which is like really dialed, but might kind of take some setup time, move things out of the way, do stuff like that and then like really settle into like this nice dialed, tethered experience. And then the frame. The frame's interesting for a bunch of reasons to me. I almost want like a travel box for it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I would use the crap out of the frame on the road.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Being able to like play some beat saber.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And like anywhere.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because I actually, I'm looking forward to trying this so much. I have a STRIX Halo laptop.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Oh yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is this enough for me to like load up all my mods, like play VR games?

[Dan]

Probably.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, it's got a USB port, so theoretically I've got my 6 GHz wireless. Like I'm. Dude, the frame packs. I didn't actually talk about that in the. I should start adding some stuff for my notes for the stuff to talk about for the full review. But I didn't actually really talk about how tightly it packs up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that's something I was genuinely wondering about because the, the ability to be portable with this thing is actually very interesting to me. This. I'm excited about this in, in regards to. I don't know. People are going to be like, oh, you have. You've been able to do this the whole time with the Quest 3. I didn't love the Quest 3 experience. Don't love who the Quest 3 comes from.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think that's the, the second one is the bigger one for me because apparently the software has gotten a lot better since we reviewed it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure it has.

[Linus Sebastian]

They've like. Apparently I'm just going based on comments on the Frame video but apparently it's like improved a shocking amount for software updates. So it might be worth me kind of checking it out again as. As part of this actually I'm going to add that. Cool. Now that's on there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool. Yeah. So I don't know, I think my, like, I feel like this is it. I don't feel like there's another experiences that is going to be this good. Might not feel as strong as it did in the past but I, I think they're going to be different. I think they're going to be quite different and I, I don't necessarily think I'm actually going to have that much regret right now having never actually tried the one that I bought and clearly never tried the one that's coming. But that's my hunch right now. Yeah. You want to talk Steam Machine? Are you done with Frame?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think we can talk Steam Machine. Yeah, I, I just. I'm the wireless streaming dude. It blew me away. I get to have PC VR wirelessly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh no. There was the last thing. What's going to happen to the ecosystem, right? Like could Big screen carry on manufacturing base stations, for instance? At this time Valve does not appear to have any partnerships in place for anyone to continue to produce.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They're open to it, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

Base stations or knuckles controllers. They did say they were open to it. With that said, I have direct contact information for multiple people at Valve. They are not always the easiest to work with. So just because they're open to it does not necessarily mean that anything will happen. I'm not going to have my hopes up until I see concrete action on it and that it's not a shot. It's not a shot at them. It's just that you got to understand Valve's a very small company.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Headcount wise is actually somewhat true.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes. Which I only mention because you know, that excuse was made for some stuff. I was like, okay, sure, sure. To be clear, I'm very grateful that they were able to bring us out to check out the new hardware. I'm very excited about the new hardware and I am extremely excited to learn more as I get to kind of explore it. I'm hoping that we're going to have access prior to the actual launch date so that when launch day comes we can bring you guys like really detailed. Okay, but no answering all the questions like thick reviews of all of this stuff because it's basically game changing across the board. Which I guess brings us perfectly to the Steam machine. It's a new mini PC that's boasting roughly six times the performance of the Steam Deck. Powered by an AMD 6 Core Zen for CPU, a GPU that is a semi custom design. But as far as I can tell, this pretty much comes down more to power profile tuning and firmware and drivers. Right. Like the actual, the actual silicon appears to be more customized in the sense that AMD is going okay, so you want to fuse off this and not that and, and tune your power profile like it's not, it's not brand new silicon. 16 gigs of Sodimm DDR5 memory, 8 gigs of GDDR6 VRAM and either 512 gig or 2 terabyte SSDs. But the SSD is upgradable to a 2280, so you could throw up to an 8 terabyte drive with current NAND densities. The big deal is of course that it runs SteamOS.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Linux out of the box and comes with the new Steam controller. It uses TMR analog sticks, has an Xbox style layout with a PlayStation analog stick layout to make room for the two haptic trackpads on the bottom. Similar to the Steam Deck.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How did it feel to hold in my smaller hands?

[Linus Sebastian]

I would say not the most ergonomic controller I've ever held.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It did give me. Obviously not the same, but it did give me like Duke vibes a little bit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not quite. Yeah, she's not so thick like the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Duke, but like tall.

[Linus Sebastian]

She's, she's just, she's just, you know, she's girthy but not thick, you know, like, she's like, she's, she's wide, you know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, this way, you know, she's just.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, no, she's just. She, she's ample.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'd say she's ample.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Was that not a characteristic of the Duke?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, but you know. Well, the Duke was fat.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

The Steam controllers, ample.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Yeah, sure. Yeah, sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't mean like ph. Fat. The Duke was fat.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just gonna wait, the Duke was fat? Try it myself. When I was looking at it, I thought that's probably gonna be fine for me. To be honest, I'm actually pretty excited about it. Yeah, I thought the original Steam controller was really cool. This one seems more versatile, which is neat. Although to be completely honest, if you can afford it I feel like the play is going to be to have a normal controller and then just maybe also your Steam controller.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because the touchpads on Steam controller will.

[Linus Sebastian]

Be nice sometimes and super cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And some people are going to just daily the crap out of the touchpads.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Obviously there will be certain games that will play a lot better that way.

[Linus Sebastian]

Particularly for old dogs that don't want to learn new tricks, a more traditional controller. And man there's, there's so many great super cool innovative controllers out there. Like at the after doing that controller tier list video with David where we did the whole like playoff, man, I don't, I don't think you can get away with having a top of the line controller anymore that doesn't have adjustable tension on the analog sticks. Like it's just, it was so game changing. Yeah for me anyway that I was just like well everything else is basic now and that doesn't mean that I necessarily want to go and replace every controller in my house with those in some cases quite expensive aftermarket controllers. But little brother controllers are the big brother controller now. It's not the way that it used to be where first party was king. What is cool about the Steam controller though is each of their Puck wireless dongles supports up to four of them and Steam will support up to four pucks meaning 16 controllers to one machine making for hassle free 10 player tape to tape which is all that I really care about as far as that goes. There's a lot more to break down once we actually you know, finish reviewing these devices and there's actually more details in the two main channel LTT videos that we have up on these devices. You guys can go check those out but in the meantime I want to talk about pricing for the Steam machine. Actually no, what I want you guys to do, chat, get out of here. But is let me know what you would pay for it. So basically it's a, it's a 7600 CPU and a 7600 GPU. This is not a super powerful machine. Valve is up front saying that they are going to be relying on FSR in order to achieve 4k and even then man, like 8 gigs vram. Anyone else would be taking a ton of flack for shipping a game console today with eight gigs of vram. Yeah, so we've got a lot of people talking pricing in here. I'm gonna, I'm gonna read these. 6006-006006-00600,. 350, 800, maybe 600, a thousand. You're crazy. 500 tops or DOA. 250 PS5. So like 500 to 600? 599. 699, 500. Okay. A lot of 500 to 600, I don't think so. I can't tell you what the price will be because I literally don't know. But when I said, you know, I'm disappointed that it isn't going to follow a console pricing model where it's subsidized by the fact that, you know, the manufacturer is going to be taking 30% of every game sold on it over the lifespan of this thing, because I feel that would be a more meaningful product. And they kind of asked what I meant by. Well, what do you mean by console price? And I said, well, $500. Nobody said anything. But the energy of the room wasn't great.

[Dan]

So.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, a console isn't 500 bucks. Maybe that's why, I mean, PS5 Pro is 700.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, the PS5 Pro. But we're talking the Pro. I mean, the Pro is markedly more powerful than the Steam machine. True. So PS5 Pro Radeon equivalent. I think it's more equivalent to like a 7700.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't follow consoles enough.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let me have a look. Let me have a look. So that is more equivalent to a 7700 XT. And then the base PS5 is about an RX 6700. So the base PS5 is closer to the Steam Machine in terms of performance. With that said, you know, it's not like the Steam machine. Even if it's at $600 or $700, isn't going to have any justification for it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The disk drive, PS5 non pro is 550.

[Linus Sebastian]

Does the Steam Machine have a disk drive?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, then.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, I don't think so. It has a lot of other stuff going on, though.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, compared to a PlayStation. Yeah. You can use it as a computer, but I think a lot of people won't. And the fact that Valve is shipping this thing with a controller tells me that. This is a controller with touchpads on it. And all but one demo. All but one demo that they had in their big, like, demo room. Was it hooked up to a tv? Like it wasn't. They had the one where it was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hooked up to a monitor. TVs for sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I still just think it's. It's not. It's not completely equivalent. I mean, yeah, I'm not surprised it would be more expensive. I think it honestly makes sense that it would probably be more expensive.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's not. Which one would be more expensive?

[Luke Lafreniere]

The Steam machine.

[Linus Sebastian]

What is it adding?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's a computer.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

How much are you going to compute from your couch?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can definitely see people using it in that way and I can see that being a value add for people and it being more expensive because of that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm just saying I understand why the pricing might work that way. I'm not saying it's good.

[Linus Sebastian]

When you were saying there's more to it, I thought you meant there's like more hardware that I'm not accounting for that would make it like cost higher. It's a. Oh, okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Different device.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure, yeah, yeah, it's a different device. But you know, for me, look, the question is like, from a. From a performance standpoint, the biggest justification for what I'm going to hook up to my tv, I'm not computing, I'm gaming. I'm gaming from my couch. So the biggest justification to me is that I can take advantage of Steam sales. I don't have to buy things in the PlayStation Store. That's if it's going to be more expensive. That's the more meaningful.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There are benefits to it being a compute device on your tv. For sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think saying no to that is crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, hit me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But you can pirate things.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, but I can't watch like proper HDR Netflix because it's Linux.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, you could. It would be annoying, but you could.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can. Does it. Is that supported now? Because I'm not aware of it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Could virtual machine over if you cared.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hdr? With what? Streaming platform?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry, what?

[Linus Sebastian]

Like watching hdr? Like DRM protected HDR Netflix.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, you can't do that through Windows. If you boot Windows through anyways.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure. But then now you're buying a Windows license.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, sure. You're pirating things. So you can't pirate the easiest thing to pirate.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, at this point, you're basically making the argument of like just going in, like you're taking this. We're talking about a console right now. I mean, at the point of what we're not. At the point. At the point of what you're talking about, go build a PC and then just hide it behind your media console.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, in a lot of ways.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, well, right, but that's not what we're talking about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Except that's what they're selling, sort of, actually.

[Linus Sebastian]

Were you there?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so that's not really the messaging. Okay, then it's part of it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Your video projects that it's not a console. It's specifically not a console.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's not a console. But what it is is it is designed for a very console like experience.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Totally. And it will do that and more stuff, which is my point.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't really, I'm actually having a hard time kind of following along here. But basically where we started was I went, hey, I don't really think that there's a lot here that would justify four years later why this thing would be priced like a four year old PlayStation 5. And you know, if you kind of go like, yeah, there's more utility in it being open, it's like, yeah, but you know, at that point, yeah, you could just like build a PC and flash a SteamOS image on it. Like it's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. And they said it will be very competitively priced with PCs. So you could do that or you could buy this thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can do one. Yeah, if we, there's a, there's a value to a very significant portion of the population to a more seamless console experience. And what you're describing is not that, that is, that's like the DIY PC thing. Right. But if I can do both then like if I, if I have that level of knowledge, I don't actually need Valve to bring this to me. I could have done that already. I could do that today. So that's kind of where I'm getting a little bit confused is the problem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

With your home theater system thing something that's easily done by end users on.

[Linus Sebastian]

On a DIY PC.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So this is cool. Someone flagged for me. Apparently there's a USB dongle that can add CEC to any off the shelf computer. I have not validated this, but that's on my list of stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've never heard of that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Personally, I've never heard of that. It's on my list. It got a few upvotes. So that's on my list of stuff to validate for the full review of the Steam machine. Because that's a really important.

[Dan]

Sort of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sounds cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that's a really important element of if you were trying to build the exact same functionality on your own, you know, what would you have to do?

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it should be a video you should try to beat. You should try to beat. You should install Steam OS on it. Cool. Sounds good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, of course. But that has to be part of the calculation, right? And you got to go buy it. You got to go buy a good controller. Like you can't just, you know, buy the cheapest Controller and say, oh well, I mean I have a controller, therefore I am, I am feature equivalent.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You could just buy a Steam controller.

[Linus Sebastian]

You mean the old one?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can you not buy the new one?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, not yet. We're gonna do this, we're gonna do it first.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Got it.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I'm. So basically the title is gonna be I couldn't wait so I built my own Steam machine. I'm gonna use the old chassis.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you wait until the pricing comes out and then try to match the pricing or you just going to look at the specs and see what price you can make it for and then kind of beat them to the pricing conversation?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't really interest, I don't know because I think there's multiple ways that we can tackle it. The one that I build for myself is actually going to be more powerful. I'm a little disappointed in the specs to be just completely.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean I think that's pretty fair.

[Linus Sebastian]

A PlayStation 5 today for more than like 500, $600. I'm not excited. It's okay, but it's not exciting to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

To me the exciting part is just steamos on more pieces of hardware that are being sold to people.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And that's cool. And you know, I'm still, you know, four years later, very excited for steamos to become a more mainstream thing that's easier to install on a wide range of hardware and all that stuff. But in terms of like what I need in, in my life if it doesn't come with aggressive pricing. And it was a little surprising to me that it wasn't going to be priced like a console because the Steam deck pretty much was and still is. You look at it compared to, you know, the Aya Neos and the ROG allies of the world and they are undercutting them significantly. But Valve made the strategic decision in this case not to do custom silicon. That would yield them a large savings over a very large volume product. Which tells me, you know, a couple of things. One is that they don't necessarily know if this is going to be a high volume product. This or it tells me that they don't even want to interfere with the ecosystem. Which, you know, was part of the conversation that we had. Even though they couldn't give me like, like firm reasons around everything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Interesting. Yeah, I mean they've had much stronger partnerships with especially PlayStation but also Xbox recently. So maybe they're like kind of semi joining the space but trying to do it in a fairly friendly way.

[Linus Sebastian]

And that would be true to the original vision for Steam Machine. Like, if you recall Steam Machine, the one that I have the, like, the, like, prototype, like Wide Boy, one that was not a real product. They launched with partners like Alienware.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You could make it in that box.

[Linus Sebastian]

Of course I am. Come on, man. Come on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

By the way, I just looked this up. I don't know if it's the same one that got linked to you. There's a few threads that I found talking.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, there we go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And somebody already said that it, like, works with Steam Deck.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, interesting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And apparently it advertises somewhere that it's like, compatible with. Yeah, Mac OS. Oh, now they say Linux. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

USB 2.0 is a disappointment. So I'll have to. I'll have to look around.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There might also be other ones. I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'll have to see what's out there. But. But that's definitely something that we'd have to. We'd have to factor in.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Someone in. In Twitch chat just said Dark Horse said Pulse eight. Yeah, these guys are legit. And I've seen a few threads talking about them. Maybe they have a different one that's not, you know, 2.0 A anymore.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know, man. I'm excited for the idea of the year of the Linux desktop. What I'm not excited about is it not having a console like price. And the other thing that's great about consoles is the way that they tend to plummet in value.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, this will have that problem, I suspect.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, no, no, no. I don't think it will really, because it's a PC.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I just. The reason why I think so is just because it's like, already slow and old.

[Linus Sebastian]

You think so? Okay, That'll be kind of a hot take. People don't like people calling it slow and old. Hubs sort of under fire for calling it, I think, slow and old or something like that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really? Yeah, as a newly. As a device that's coming out next year, that feels. Based on what we expect the price will be. That feels true to me.

[Linus Sebastian]

Mustafa. USB2. Did I say USB2 was a disappointment? I meant HDMI2 was a disappointment. I'd like it to be 2.1 at this point that. That dongle, the USB doesn't matter. All right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm not. No. Okay, so to be clear, that 2500k system that I mentioned on, I think last WAN show is playing Arc Raiders right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So being old doesn't necessarily even mean that big of a deal.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just think it's not the CPU I'm worried about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Exactly.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's that 7,608 gig GPU and the fact that Valve is even talking about 4.4K on it, in fairness to them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did attach that to upscaling.

[Linus Sebastian]

They are being very upfront.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

That they mean with FSR, which basically means. Not 4K.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not actually. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

But like we are probably what, two years now from PlayStation 6? Which means we're probably three to four years from games that are actually going to leverage PlayStation 6 hardware. Meaning that Valve has kind of like a half a console generation before they can't with a straight face say yeah, it'll run basically, you know, high end games on Steam at 4K 60fps with FSR. Because all the FSR in the world is not going to make a PlayStation 6 game run.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It just sucks that that's going to be true for such a short period of time like you're saying.

[Linus Sebastian]

Exactly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But MrNick88 in Twitch chat did also say quote from Valve engineer Yazan Aldehayat. I think, I hope.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The Steam Machine is equal to or better than what 70% of people have at home. And that's an interesting comment because it's not. It's so open that it will like if you. If I think about the types of games that I'm usually going to want to be playing on my tv, it will probably be fine for a significantly longer period of time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, you can play the crap out of Castle Crashers on your Steam machine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Exactly. Most like couch co op things. What's that RV game?

[Linus Sebastian]

Moving out. Oh no, that's the different one RV there yet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that, that game. I'm sure it'll run completely fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

But also moving out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know, overcooked.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like yeah, all those games will be no problem for basically like ever.

[Linus Sebastian]

What's that Mario Party clone, but like more violent. You know the one I'm talking about?

[Dan]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

He would know.

[Sammy]

Pummel Party.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, Pummel Party. Like stuff like that's going to run on it, no problem. Right. So to be clear, I'm not saying it's like bad. No, I'm just saying that. I'm just saying that compared to a PlayStation 5 which I can literally get on Facebook marketplace for like what did I pay for the one in Scrapyard wars? Like less than 400 Canadian dollars.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, that's tough.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's tough, that's tough. And there are benefits to a device like that over this. Like for instance being able to stream protected content which, and I get it I know our audiences. There's a lot of piracy, there's a lot of sailing the. Sailing the high seas.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

But that's not everybody. Right. And so we do have to acknowledge that for a lot of people the Steam Machine is not just going to be a no brainer like no, obviously anything else is stupid.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think another thing that'll hurt it and I, I didn't articulate this earlier but I did mean to earlier. I just forgot is that I don't think this is gonna have a almost unique list value. It is cool. It's. It's the first Steam machine that's actually publicly available. It has SteamOS, all that kind of stuff for sale.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well I mean there were the old ones, they were for sale.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh I didn't even know they.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, nobody bought them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I didn't know they ever actually went for sale. I thought anyways, whatever. Something about old consoles that keeps their value is the like there are probably games that only work on this or it had a very unique experience for some particular reason.

[Linus Sebastian]

So the way that they drop because there's so many of them but then they hold and then they'll go up and then eventually. I don't think that's going to happen here exactly. It's just going to be an old clip computer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which yeah, we'll see how it goes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I find old computers will again they'll drop and they'll hold for a long time but then they just plummet. They'll hit a wall where it's like this just kind of sucks now. It's not getting driver updates anymore. These various things are happening. I mean Linux get ditched.

[Linus Sebastian]

Linux though, the fact that it runs Linux and you don't have to worry about Microsoft just like rug pulling your ability to boot the latest OS that's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Getting more legit for longer. Yeah, I think there's gonna be a lot at play in its ability to hold value.

[Linus Sebastian]

For sure, baby. Okay, the last thing before we bring Elijah on and talk about Linus X. Linus is the Steam controller.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Specifically the name. So I took a bit of a shot at Valve for calling the Steam Controller Steam Controller when they already have a product called Steam Controller.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They sure do.

[Linus Sebastian]

They sure do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like if you Google Steam Controller it's the Steam controller on Steam. The picture is the old one. You click on it and it's right there. They did add 2015 now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So I did take a little bit of flack for this in the comments as well. That's a stupid. That's a stupid critique. Linus, that one has been long discontinued. There's no way that anyone would get confused about it. When the new one is like, you know, obviously the new one. I googled Steam controller and my response to that is no, this is unconscionable. This is not okay. Nothing can ever be named the same thing exactly as another product because it serves literally no purpose other than to be confusing. So, counterpoint, you're right. In the near future there won't be a ton of confusion because all the SEO will be towards the new one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, well, here's something. What if you have an old one and you're trying to do a battery swap or something like that on it? Well, I guess go F yourself. Cool. Also, what about 10 years from now when they are both old and obsolete and you are trying to find information, you're trying to find a how to guide or you're trying to. Well, I mean, yeah, that's, that's the biggest one. Is it? Pretty much. My, my objection to this comes down to ease of finding information and right to repair. Calling something the exact same thing is completely unnecessary. Completely unnecessary and can lead to nothing but confusion. And when I asked Valve point blank, why did you do this? They said it was because it would reduce confusion. That was actually the fucking reason. Which to me, I don't, I don't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Accept in to play devil's advocate. Sure, Apple's done this forever.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Which is exactly what I brought up. And they acknowledged what a problem it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I do think, considering the amount of Steam controllers out there, especially that are still in use, this might actually reduce confusion because the amount of people, the amount of people that will have the new one and just not even know the old one existed.

[Linus Sebastian]

But tell me this, if they called it Steam Controller 2, it would have been fine. How would that confuse anybody?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't necessarily think it would. I have a fun thing though, that's going to hurt some people's brains. Is this actually how it works? Does the USB C port not line up with the little LED thing?

[Linus Sebastian]

Don't worry about it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What?

[Linus Sebastian]

Get this, get this. What?

[Dan]

No, you can't move on from that.

[Linus Sebastian]

We're not done yet.

[Dan]

Bring that back.

[Linus Sebastian]

We're not done yet. No, we're not going back to that.

[Dan]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

So when I talked to them, I was like, look, guys, do you want to be Microsoft? Like, do you want to have stupid naming schemes that don't make any sense? Or like, look, look at one of the other players in the Console space. Sony hasn't run into fucking confusion, okay, by calling the PlayStation 2 PlayStation 2.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Here's a question for you.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm not done yet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why did it not bother you that it's.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm not done. So they didn't run into confusion calling it PlayStation 3. That's not confusing. In spite of the fact that far more people bought a PlayStation 2 than a PlayStation 1. Consoles went way more mainstream, especially in the west around PlayStation 2. Like way more. It moved so many units. That's not confusing. And the same thing. I said the same thing. DualShock, DualShock 2. That's not confusing. Nobody's confused. And they went, well, yeah, but what about DualSense? I'm like, yeah, what about DualSense? It's got a completely new ergonomic design. It has their sense haptic triggers. It has a clearly differentiating feature. And also it's not called the F. Same thing. It's called DualSense. It has a new name.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What about Steam Machine?

[Linus Sebastian]

So Steam Machine. Stupid too. Okay, Steam Machine. I don't mind as much though because literally not a single one still exists. Like everyone who bought those put windows on it. You literally like can't like that. That ancient original Steam OS that ran on it. They used Nvidia GPUs back then, right? Like that. You literally can't even install new Steam OS on it. Steam Machine is more of a concept which. Or was more of a concept at the beginning. You didn't buy a Steam Machine, you bought an Alienware, whatever part number and it was listed on Steam as a Steam Machine. So this is a Steam. This is the first. First party Steam Machine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I can at least kind of get behind.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I didn't know it was like there was. I remember it was through the OEMs. I thought they had a first party one as well.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, the first party was. Just went out to press, got it to try out Steam OS and experience the ecosystem. But it was all third party.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So that's not that bad then.

[Linus Sebastian]

So this is one of those things where the only reason to call something the same thing is to unnecessarily screw up search results, which Luke managed to demonstrate far more succinctly and easily than I had even thought to do it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude, it was. I was actually stunned that it came up that way.

[Linus Sebastian]

Way I'm not. Because this is a serious problem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anytime you try to fix just to prove the the first result is the old one the second. And it says you visit often. I've only Visited today. The. The second result is the new one.

[Linus Sebastian]

There is no reason to do this. Like, if you've ever tried to find what version of iOS is supported on an iPad, if you don't pay super close attention and you know, like, oh, this is the late 2017 one, there's like little tiny letters on the back that you can, like, pull out a magnifying glass and like search for that specific model and it's just called iPad. It's like, worthless. If you're trying to replace a screen or a battery or a home button or whatever the case may be and just find information about the bloody thing, that is the only purpose that it serves. And the really infuriating part of it is that Apple knows better. For their cash cow, for the iPhone, they all have a clear. A clear name that is different from the one before and different from the one after. They're all clearly named.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It still fits under clearly named, but in my opinion, they faltered for a second with the X, but then they came back, they fixed it.

[Linus Sebastian]

At least it had a name that was not the same as any other iPhone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I totally agree. It just wasn't as good. And then they went back to being good again.

[Linus Sebastian]

And to be clear, Apple doesn't do everything perfectly in this regard either. The new SE is called 16E instead of just calling it the. And the SEs were actually kind of dumb because they had like, SE and then SE second generation. Like, they have made mistakes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I didn't even know that.

[Linus Sebastian]

But those are mistakes. Those are not okay. It's never okay. And no, it was because I could. I could make the exact same statement. We called it Steam Controller so that it wouldn't be confusing. I could see the exact same thing. We called it Steam Controller 2 so it wouldn't be confusing. Which of those actually made more sense to you? Of course.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just. I can't. Whenever someone gives you a reason, and I use the word reason very loosely here because reason implies logic and logic is math. Whenever somebody gives you a reason for their actions that does not logic, then what it means is either they're stupid or they're lying. Those are the only answers. And I don't know what Valve's game is here. I don't understand this. But I don't agree with it and I will never agree with it. No two products should ever be called exactly the same thing, ever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Speaking of not agreeing with it, I. I looked up images and references and stuff like that, and the USB C port does line up with the Middle of the controller. I think that animation that they have is just not correct. Or maybe the magnet is off centered. Oh yeah. It's not plugging into USB port. No, it looks like the magnet's centered. It's probably just the graphic.

[Linus Sebastian]

I wouldn't worry about that. That is like the least.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, it will bother the engagement out of people. It will bother people.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't actually remember where it was. I'm sure it's fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It all looks centered. I looked it up. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

A full blown chat seems to be back.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

For now maybe.

[Dan]

For now. Maybe.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'll see how it goes. That's fine. Should we talk about Linus x Linus?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, it was the best thing ever.

[Dan]

I mean it was weird hearing him say glad that Luke wasn't here.

[Sammy]

I can join.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Don't even.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is this mic on?

[Dan]

It will be in a second. Just wait for him to get settled. Trying to give it a quick tap for me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Wait. I actually do think Chad is actually properly back now. Thank you. Aj.

[Linus Sebastian]

Headphones and everything.

[Dan]

Yeah, you match.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Dan]

Can you hear okay?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We sprang for the headphones.

[Dan]

Give me a tippy tap just on the. Perfect. Okay. Hopefully this isn't too loud.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's do this thing.

[Sammy]

Speaking of having two things named the same.

[Dan]

There we go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. How confusing was that? I. I've never really gone through that.

[Sammy]

It was quite funny every single time being like, hey, Linus. And then both would turn every single time for the whole day.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did you guys get really hardcore about Linus and Linus?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, he actually doesn't agree with that. Oh, it's only Linus if you are speaking Swedish to him.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That totally makes sense to me.

[Linus Sebastian]

Otherwise he goes by Linus. I. I called him just because it kind of broke my brain to call anyone else Linus. Except sometimes I think I called him Linus a couple times.

[Sammy]

Well, you had asked him about it and then you tried Linus for a while. Then you said Linus, then you said Linus. You honestly bounce back and forth quite a bit between all things.

[Dan]

3.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a hard name.

[Sammy]

Debatable.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a hard name.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Very debatable.

[Linus Sebastian]

Strong name.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Word line. Can you say the word us?

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, you'd be surprised how few people can handle it. Especially in other languages. It's is very difficult.

[Dan]

So.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, dude, I don't even know. I don't even really know where to start with this. If you weren't paying attention or you're just joining the show now. We had the one and Only Linus Torvalds, the creator of the Linux kernel, here to shoot a collaborative video this week. We reached out to him saying, hey, what do you think? Would you like to do a video together? Got back the weirdest response ever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, dude. It was very strange. Awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

You should stop bringing that up and down because it's a lot of mic movement. You might just have to kind of hold it. Okay. Yep. Sorry, sir. Handling noises.

[Sammy]

My bad, sir.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, you're great.

[Dan]

I cut a lot of it out, so you probably hear more than they do.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Way to go, Linus. Linus.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's Linus. Yeah. So he basically said, without accepting or declining, well, the only way for this to work would be for it to something. Something. There can be only one, like the hit 80s movie Highlander or Two Men Enter, one man leaves, like Mad Max. And so I basically responded with, I don't know what to make of these. I'm gonna give myself the homework of watching these old movies I've never seen and I will get back to you. Which it took me a very long time because I don't find a ton of time to watch movies. And then eventually I did, and it turns out that he had meant yes. Yeah, we actually found out while he was here that he has a very interesting approach to email.

[Sammy]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I suspect he has an interesting approach to a lot.

[Linus Sebastian]

Feel free to participate.

[Sammy]

Well, I don't want to interrupt you.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, no, I mean, yeah, you're hanging around late at work to participate. Why don't you tell the email he's.

[Sammy]

Very different than our Linus, where our Linus might take anywhere between four minutes and four business months to respond to an email. Mr. Linus Torvalds says if I don't respond in 15 minutes, probably wasn't important.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyways, and then you're not going to get a response.

[Sammy]

And then he archives it and he's like, if it's important enough, they'll follow up again and then I'll respond then Based. So he almost responded, like, within. It was definitely within 15 minutes of your original email.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Which I was floored by. And then what he said was like, yeah, well, it was either that or not. And I was like, oh, well, I'm glad I was important enough to. That.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think that's based.

[Sammy]

And then you guys set up a call and did some talking and.

[Linus Sebastian]

And here we are. Okay, out of 10, how cool was it?

[Sammy]

Like a 17. Like, we have some footage on your phone of us in the lobby because he gave me the access to His Uber to see, like, whereabouts he was so we could just keep track. And I was, like, watching it like a hawk.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, first.

[Sammy]

So nervous.

[Linus Sebastian]

First we were freaking out because he was, what, half an hour early? An hour early.

[Sammy]

Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

He's, like, super early.

[Sammy]

So we're sitting there, like, sets not ready. We're not ready to shoot this. Linus is still in the middle of a meeting right now. What are we gonna. How are we gonna do this? So finally, about five minutes before he's showing up, Linus and I walk down to the front lobby, and we're just kind of, like, pacing back and forth, like, waiting. We're like, what do we do? How do we open this?

[Linus Sebastian]

We were standing on the set, and I was like, dude, what is the point of us trying to play this cool? We might as well just wait for him on the doorstep because. Yep, we want to.

[Sammy]

Yeah. And so maybe that footage will make it onto floatplane at some point of us just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think there's. I do think there's stuff coming. Yeah. Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. No, there's actually. Sammy already has. There's already something behind the scenes up on floatplane right now. Let me have a look.

[Sammy]

Actually, two already.

[Linus Sebastian]

Behind the scenes shooting the intro for the collab. So we ended up. Here's a bit of a spoiler. We went with Highlander. There can be only one. So we do, like, kind of a goofy sword fight thing.

[Sammy]

Here's some pictures only get samurai swords. I unfortunately couldn't get broad swords like the movie.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So we'll have all that. We have all that up on float plane right now. Man, how can you be that much of a Chad and still genuinely that humble, but also know how important you are? Oh, yeah, because he definitely knows how important he is or how important his contribution has been, but he's just. I don't know. It was, like, kind of hanging out with, like, someone's dad. Like, he's just very down to earth.

[Sammy]

Yeah. It got really comfortable really quickly. Like, we were.

[Linus Sebastian]

Except me.

[Sammy]

I asked you. I was like, was Fallon or this, like, more. What were you more nervous for?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, this?

[Sammy]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not even close. I, like, Fallon's a celebrity, but Torvalds.

[Luke Lafreniere]

In our space is a dramatically big deal.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, we, like, we were. We were talking about it. Elijah and I both were like, okay, well, this is it then.

[Sammy]

I actually can't see any other peak of, like, having a guest do a.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Type of video, have him back.

[Linus Sebastian]

The first thing that other people will say is, okay, well, what about Bill Gates? And it's like, no, you got to be kidding me.

[Sammy]

That was exact response.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, exactly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not even close.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's like, why not some. Why not some other billionaire?

[Sammy]

Yeah, actually.

[Linus Sebastian]

Actually though, like, this is. This is.

[Sammy]

It was unbelievably cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think that gay Ben would be. Would be close for me.

[Sammy]

Oh, for sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Torvald's gay Ben.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You gotta go. We haven't talked about this topic yet, but you gotta go meet Gaben on his yacht. 364 foot yacht.

[Dan]

Please.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wozniak.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

Would be very cool, but less meaningful to me. Wasn't into Apple like then when he was with the company.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Has a lot to do with the introduction of the personal computer.

[Linus Sebastian]

He does.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wozniak. It would be super cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

That would be super cool. But like there's not, man. There's not.

[Sammy]

You just gotta many. You gotta email him. That's all you did for this one. And we got the collab. We've talked about this after now it's like, dude, how many cold emails should we just start sending?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I actually, I asked him too, though. I was like. Or I don't remember exactly what I said, but I was like, I can't. I basically told him. I was like, I can't believe it was this easy. All I spent my entire career obviously.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Was how spammed he's gonna get now.

[Linus Sebastian]

He'll just ignore it.

[Sammy]

Yeah, he.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, he. He was like, yeah. Basically he talked about how, as far as I can tell, ignoring things is his superpower. Same as how I can't see ads. He just can't see an email he doesn't care about and he'll just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Does he archived himself or does it just auto archive past a certain period of time?

[Sammy]

He says he'll archive it. I don't know what that means.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I'm not sure what that means.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean all in the column. Archive it later.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm sure that someone like that could come up with a script. This is archiving assistant. If you really wanted to. But like the. I basically couldn't wrap my brain around the fact that that. Because obviously I've always been aware of the other, you know, you know, the actual tech. Tech Linus. Right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And the fact that just me being too shy to ask was the only reason it took this long.

[Sammy]

That was the barrier of entry.

[Linus Sebastian]

That was the barrier.

[Sammy]

It was genuinely so much fun and so cool and like just even walking around the studio with him, kind of giving him an example of like, this is what we do. Because he didn't necessarily even fully grasp it until he was here. Like, what a YouTube media company. Sure was like, right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It is weird.

[Sammy]

It's very. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like in the history of media, it is very strange.

[Sammy]

And as we kept walking, he was like, wow, this place just keeps going. Like that was like.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was cool that he was gen. He seemed. And. And I. And I don't think he'd bother to pretend, but he seemed genuinely interested.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did you bring him to the lab?

[Linus Sebastian]

I didn't. We only had a limited amount of time with them. I know, I know. We only had a limited. We did invite lab people over to come to meet him though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Yeah, no, I knew about that. But I was.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know.

[Sammy]

Which. That will be a separate float plane video as well. There's kind of like a 15 minute kind of stack.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was very.

[Sammy]

Cuz I. It was after the shoot and I was just like, guys just like, go up. Oh, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

People were like hovering. Well, yeah, like I was like, like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Honestly, he's probably quite used to that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, he wasn't awkward though. It's. It's funny because as part of my prep for this, I read his autobiograph and he didn't believe me until like the fourth time I referenced it, I think.

[Sammy]

Yeah, you had asked some questions from it or some guiding questions and he was like, oh, you actually did read the book. It was quite funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

So yeah, in prepping for it. So he wrote it over 20 years ago though. And he talks a lot about like how much trouble he has with public speaking and how awkward he is or whatever. And I was like, well, either among.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Has done a ton of since then.

[Linus Sebastian]

A lot has changed in 20 years, or you weren't as awkward as you thought you were behind it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, or whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

Every time he opened his mouth, he was very eloquent and it was super interesting. Like he's one of those people that's just like, well, there's no way that I'm the smartest person in this room because it's that guy. And it was. It was just super cool. Everything he said just seemed so well considered. Even if we were kind of trying to blindside him with something, he still.

[Sammy]

Took the time to process it and then like give an actually good response. And we were like, wow, okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, we mean, we memed him with like Xbox versus PlayStation and he like gave us a thoughtful response and it's like, all right.

[Sammy]

Yeah, it was, it was very great. The hardest part about this video, I think is going to be cutting it into a Video and not because there's not enough content. There's too much content.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You just gotta dump it on floatplane. Speaking of which, question from the now working floatplane chat, Archangel of death said, did he know about LTT before your email?

[Linus Sebastian]

So this is funny. I specifically asked him if he had seen the video that we did a number of years ago where we followed the guide from ZDNet, or parts list really from ZDNet. And we built Linus Torvalds computer. Like, we built the same spec and we were like, if you build this, you'll have the same PC as Linus Torvalds. And I was like, have you seen it? He's like, drew a complete blank. But the two other flipping YouTubers that I happened to mention, okay, I mentioned Mehdi Electroboom.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Immediately he's like, oh yeah, Electroboom.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, he's local. I'm like, okay, ego destroyed.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You palmedi up.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then I should have. Actually, no, I didn't. And then just because I was just kind of, I was kind of talking about how it kind of blew his mind that we were more of a physical goods company than we are a media company these days. And I was like, I was just kind of chatting with him and I kind of brought up that that's not even that unique anymore. Like, this creator economy is incredibly cool. And so I pulled out, I pulled out this. This is my new box cutter from Evan and Caitlin. And they showed it to me at VidCon and I was just like, that is too cool for you to give it to me. I will buy one. It's super expensive, but it's like extremely satisfying. You just can't handle it, can you?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Up, up.

[Linus Sebastian]

There we go. So you slide it forward and then let it go. Yep, and then slide it back. Oh, retract it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I thought you slid it forward again to pull it back.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, super cool. So I showed it to him and he's like, oh yeah, those guys, they.

[Sammy]

Make the like resin pumpkin.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So you asked him about one of our videos? Did you ask him about our channel?

[Linus Sebastian]

He then acknowledged that he had heard of. Okay, okay, so he didn't cook completely destroy my ego, but it's just like I pull two sort of not random. Cuz obviously they're, they're tech adjacent and big creators. But he like immediately was like, oh yeah, those guys.

[Sammy]

It was very funny.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

I have to ask you, if you can say it without spoiling, what was the highlight? Like, if you can pinpoint one specific moment. It's really tough. I have one.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's so hard because there's like kind of what's a, what's a personal highlight? Like the fact that he genuinely thought what we're doing is cool.

[Sammy]

Yeah, that's pretty sweet.

[Linus Sebastian]

That was amazing. Because if he thinks it's cool, then it's cool as far as I'm concerned.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's pretty huge. But like, that's a respectable favorite point.

[Linus Sebastian]

But like, I mean, I just thought how cool he was was also cool. Like the fact that he's so. No, I'm serious.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I hear you.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like the fact that without a moment of hesitation, you know, I was like, it's totally fine to say no. Would it be okay? You have a, you have some pretty big fans here to hang around longer and just chat. And he was so generous with his time during that. He didn't have to talk to anybody.

[Sammy]

He waited until like the kind of energy died down before being like, okay, I guess I can head out now.

[Linus Sebastian]

He, he read the room like super hard. They say never meet your heroes, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Meet this one.

[Linus Sebastian]

But meet this one because he's so cool. And, and there was. I literally just from the second like he introduced himself, it was just, I don't know, it was great vibes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that was a super huge highlight. I, I mean, this will be kind of a weird one, but getting him to cringe at my dad jokes.

[Sammy]

Oh, that was so funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

Was so fun.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

You cracking dad jokes and then him either not immediately realizing it or realizing it immediately and going like, actually deep sigh. He called out your Segways a couple of times, which was really funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

He's like, so he does know the channel.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

He was like, oh, that, that was.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that was cool.

[Sammy]

Very cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, is that enough, Is that enough like peak tier highlights for you? Like, it goes on and on.

[Sammy]

I have one that I think was my highlight. It was after the shoot, after the meet and greet, we went and said goodbye to you.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

I candidly was just like, I'd be happy to give you a ride back to your hotel, which was about a 25 minute drive from the office, pretty much in completely the opposite direction of where my home was. But I got a 25 minute one on one. That's conversation with him.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's so sick.

[Sammy]

And like that's something that is going to be forever ingrained. Even if I have another concussion, I can't possibly forget that because it's just so cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

And that's. And that's. What I mean, even too, about being generous with his time. Because he could have just been like, you know what? I'm socialed out today. I've done it. I've done it. I've been like, you know what? It would be fair and that would be totally fine to do that. But instead he's like, no, I'm gonna hang around on set and talk to randoms that I've never met, you know, or whatever. I'm gonna. I'll accept the ride. Because you never know when you accept a ride from. From someone. Like, you know, maybe they try and corner you with a business pitch or something like that.

[Sammy]

Like, totally.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it happens. It happens. And. And I could see having your guard up about something like that, but whether it's just not giving it fucks or whether it's like just being at a point in your career where you're just. He was very open to new experiences.

[Sammy]

Which was try anything once.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, try anything once. He said that a lot of times. And as far as I can tell, the try anything once is basically the reason he did it. He's like, I've never done a YouTube video before. I've never seen this before. And he talked about how being the Linux guy has unlocked experiences for him. He talked about going to a pre Oscar party. He talked about riding on a fighter jet. And just like, I kept kind of ribbing him. I was like, right, so that's what you're. Yeah, that's what you're comparing to this, right? Like, we're up there, we're being in a YouTube video. Right? And I don't know, dude, it's just. I was more tired after the end of that day than I have been after work in a long time. Not because I was like, down about anything we were doing, but just because being that excited and having that much fun for an entire day is honestly pretty tiring.

[Sammy]

Yeah, I slept for about four minutes before that, like, night, because I was so nervous. I was in and out of like a dream of like replaying the shoot in my head over and over, like, wanting to make sure everything was going right because obviously I. I have my name tied to it, so I'm like, if this is bad, I'm bad. So when I got home, I also just crashed.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was done. It's over.

[Sammy]

Valve video.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You got home from dropping off Linus Torvald?

[Sammy]

Yeah. I have no idea how I'm ever gonna peek that. Like, maybe I can give Obama or like someone else arrived.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I wouldn't peek. It he fly?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, he flashes his phone to me and he's like, how many people. People have this, this profile picture in their recent message history?

[Sammy]

There's quite a common podcast flex question of like, who's the most famous person in your phone? I now have the most famous person in my opinion, in my phone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's really cool.

[Sammy]

I'm never ever going to text it because I'm like way too late.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

Never going to cross.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You got to like frame it.

[Sammy]

Oh, dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Somehow get it like a, a special border or something.

[Sammy]

Texted you right beside him. So I get a screenshot.

[Linus Sebastian]

Even, even if someone else that someone had in their phone was more famous. I think that. I think consequential is the word that I would sort of apply most to Linus Torvalds because I mean, he'll be the first to tell you that the Linux kernel these days is like a fraction of a percent code that he actually wrote.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

He's mostly the guy that makes sure that everyone else's contributions are, are meaningful and are correct and are moving Linux in the right direction. Moving the kernel in the right direction because he's the kernel guy and he's like, yeah, at some point I had to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which is almost certainly an extremely good thing because as with us all, unfortunately, somehow he's still mortal. So he's gonna pass at some point and we're gonna need a good example of the types of things that he would want to happen.

[Linus Sebastian]

But consequential.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I can.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, absolutely. Like, would you. Would you. I mean, like, think of a celebrity, Dwayne the Rock Johnson, probably more famous than Linus Torvalds.

[Sammy]

Oh yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

More consequential. No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, like. Yeah. I mean, it's like actually funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Like I can smell what he's cooking, but it ain't as important. Important is Linux. It's very, very.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I mean, no one watching this is going to have a problem with that. But I was going to say, like, if you had a problem with that, like, please look up the amount of things around the world that move because of Linux.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Oh, dude, the phone.

[Sammy]

The Android phone in your pocket. Your Mac prime example.

[Linus Sebastian]

Mac less so. Sort of less so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Though heavily inspired by.

[Linus Sebastian]

But the consequence. Yes, absolutely. Underpins Android, like heavily for sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But you're talking about consequence. Would it exist in the form that is now without it? Because consequence can be indirect and direct.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, okay. Equivalent. Equivocal says no mention of Git either. We did actually talk about git. We asked him which was his, his favorite Child, that one I'm not going to spoil. Yeah. So make sure you guys watch this video because building the computer, that's the title of the video but it is the least important part of the video and whether it ends up being a 25 minute long video or whether it ends up being an hour and a half video, we don't know yet. Whatever doesn't make it into the YouTube cut is going to end up on floatplane. But right now Elijah and I are leaning towards a super long YouTube cut with. There will still be some stuff that's just not going to make the YouTube cut so that'll be over on floatplane. But we're, we're leaning towards just a long ass video because it, it was awesome.

[Sammy]

And it's interesting to try too to see if there's an appetite for like you know, these kind of long unfiltered podcast the almost style videos of just having a genuine conversation.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know if it's going to prove a point though because like yeah, cuz it's. Yeah. What does that tell us? If we have literally one of the most consequential contributors to the tech world, could we do an hour and a half long interview with them? Okay, yeah, find me another one.

[Sammy]

All right, I'll go get Bill Gates.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I told you.

[Sammy]

I know, that's right. Like yeah, okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

I told you Gay Ben. Okay, was and was.

[Sammy]

I'll send him an email.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's some other ones for sure we could do.

[Dan]

Wan show from his yacht.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why not, right? Oh yeah. Apparently Gaben took delivery of his new 500 million dollar yacht today.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

You guys see that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

It has a live in nurse. I guess at his age that kind of makes sense. And also it's not just for leisure, it's for like scientific exploration too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It has a diving thing and a submarine to do marine life science.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean Steve Irwin wouldn't have minded if he'd been working off of a yacht that had onboard medical staff. But it's not a joke. Yep. Why is everything a joke with your generation?

[Luke Lafreniere]

That one's rough. That one's rough. Okay, well I don't know if, I don't know if that one will ever not be too soon.

[Linus Sebastian]

Steve Irwin. Oh, he was taken too soon. That's the thing. That's the thing. It's not that whether the joke is too soon or not too soon. It said he was taken too soon. So it's always too soon forever. But I'm sure he wouldn't have minded if there Was a medical professional closer. So I can see why Gaben would have done that. Apparently has 15 gaming PCs, which is a weird number.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Was a little odd. I noticed that too.

[Linus Sebastian]

Fifteen, that's got to be a typo. There's no way it's not eight or 16.

[Dan]

Three teams of five, one at the head of the table.

[Linus Sebastian]

So what we're playing Knights, Vikings, pirates. Like, what are we even talking about here? What are you even talking about? I don't even think that supports teams of five.

[Sammy]

I got nothing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, give me a 5v5 vocal 14 crew members.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That would be kind of interesting.

[Sammy]

Could you imagine just Gabe playing with his 14? He's like, all right, guys, you're off shift. We're all gonna boot up some.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Honestly, if you live there completely, I wouldn't be too surprised.

[Sammy]

Pretty cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Now he's talked about how he plays like. Like Dota and just gets, like trolled by people and stuff. People tell him ton install the game and stuff.

[Sammy]

That's crazy. Amazing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

My starlink latency was too bad.

[Sammy]

Going back to the Linus Torvalds thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

Make sure that people know that. We had a Reddit thread where we asked you guys for your questions. We did go through about 10 to 15 ish of them. Again, don't know if all of them will make it, but some were really.

[Linus Sebastian]

Interesting, some not, but yeah, some after. Like, you should just go read his autobiography and then you'll know the answer to a lot of the questions you guys asked. I'm really glad I read it.

[Sammy]

We changed the questions about an hour before he showed up because it was like, oh, yeah, this would have been really stupid to ask. Even though it's. It's weird because people might not have read the autobiography. So for them, it's really interesting to just have this question, but it's also really obvious.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I wanted, you know, our contribution to the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

To totally. That was the right way to go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I wanted us to be bringing something new to the table. So even if you're a die hard Linus Torvalds fan, you watch every interview you can find of him. I want you to find something new in ours.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it's not just. He's not just a man to be milked for content. Like, it's. You want it to be decently more interesting for him as well. So if he's just rehashing things that he wrote down in his autobiography, it's like, I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

I wanted him to. I wanted him to enjoy the experience and he Said it was fine.

[Sammy]

Which means we might get him back up here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, the fact that he came to us still blows my mind.

[Sammy]

It was so funny that conversation because he's like, well, it makes so much more sense. It'd be more effort for me to clean up my place to get and get you guys down here and it'd.

[Linus Sebastian]

Be so much work for you guys to bring, bring all your equipment. And I'm just like, dude, your time is not your time and my time are not of equal worth. Like if it takes you an hour, then I should be spending hours before we draw a parallel and decide what makes sense. You know, Like I think with his.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do everything once thing though, yeah, it was probably cool to see the operation.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I guess I just, maybe next time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You'Ll have to go to him.

[Linus Sebastian]

Me standing in a room with him, I have a hard time thinking there's anything cool for him to experience, you know?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

But then I mean I, we're pretty cool. It's just, it's all relative.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know, and we're not a fighter jet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, we are not a fighter jet.

[Linus Sebastian]

We're not a fighter jet for sure.

[Sammy]

Gamer fighter jet.

[Linus Sebastian]

Stop.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's go.

[Sammy]

Flight sim.

[Luke Lafreniere]

In a flight, the person in the back, if they're not actively shooting missiles could play like Stardew Valley. Wow.

[Sammy]

The opposite ends of the spectrum of what you're doing. Dog fight to Stardew Valley.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is going to be a bit of a niche reference, but play Spec Ops. The line in the back of a fighter jet would be no one's going to get that. But the like four people that get it. It'll, it'll, it'll smash with Amazing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I, I, I think that is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A few people got it. Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's definitely been points in my career that were more consequential. Like ego wise. Like the first time we did a million views in less than 24 hours on a video. Like I'll remember that forever. It was seven gamers, one cpu.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I'll remember like staring at this view graph going, this is unbelievable. This is the closest thing to a viral video we've ever done. It's always been slow and steady. This is it. This is breakthrough moment. Like I'll remember stuff like that. I'll remember, you know, pacing, pacing the family room of the old house. Talking to Steve on the phone and finding out we're going to get the channel. You know, like there's moments like that in my career that are like core memories. But in terms of, like, importance of a video we've made or, like. I don't know if it's that important.

[Sammy]

It's like, highlight.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Like, highlight reel. Career highlight reel. This is, like. It's very high. I don't. I'm afraid to call it number one, because maybe there's. But then if something's. That if something's number one, I shouldn't forget it.

[Sammy]

Yeah. And it's possible that something could take it. I think that's okay to look at it from that perspective.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I'm. And I'm talking career. Like, obviously, there's. There's personal life highlights that are bigger than meeting Linus Torvalds. Like, my what? My wife ranks above Luna's Torvald. Debatable.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You don't have kids.

[Sammy]

Debatable.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not debatable. Not debatable. You know, birth of my children, wedding day. These are.

[Sammy]

Those are maybe close. Second and third, you know?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

She gets it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know.

[Sammy]

I told my wife. I was like, sorry, honey.

[Linus Sebastian]

You'Re moving down to seven.

[Sammy]

And then she was like, yeah, you can sleep on the couch. And I was like, understand?

[Linus Sebastian]

Can it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Fair enough. Sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm taking my body pillow to the couch.

[Sammy]

Cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Anything else? You. Oh, right. There's something that we wanted to present to Luke, so he couldn't be here, unfortunately. Oh, yeah. We're going to elaborate on this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Why was that? Elijah planner of this video, knower of things I might be interested in. Why, I think there's.

[Sammy]

I texted you the Friday before the shoot, I think, or the Thursday before the shoot.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right. That was when he told me the date of the shoot. So I had just the weekend to. Because I'd been putting it off to read the autobiography, which I got signed, by the way.

[Sammy]

And the shoot was on Wednesday. I told you. I said, hey, I've done script reviews. That means this is, like, 100% locked in now. Even though it was already potentially locked in before. I said, hey, it's gonna be on Wednesday, just so you know. You just responded with a sad face and then a very angry word that I won't repeat because I don't have a bleed button here.

[Linus Sebastian]

We can try and time it.

[Sammy]

All right. Three, two.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Fuck.

[Sammy]

I don't know if we.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was late.

[Linus Sebastian]

For sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was for sure.

[Sammy]

And then you just said, I won't be.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Be there.

[Sammy]

And then another sad face.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I.

[Sammy]

Was like, oh, I'm sorry, buddy. Today we were talking, and I was like, well, technically, his flight and everything was booked, like, three or four weeks ago.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which, if the flight is booked, you could be pretty sure about when the shoot would be.

[Sammy]

To be fair, we weren't because of current at the time how some airports were struggling with delays.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

It was a case of. We don't actually know. But you know, I probably could have tried to give you a heads up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because right about that time is when I locked in the flights for the other thing. So if I knew, I could have. No.

[Sammy]

If you were already locking it in.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Then no, I could have just. Not though at that time if I knew there was a extremely major conflict. Sorry.

[Sammy]

I don't know. Blame Vance. He actually booked the flights.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, wow. You did not just throw Vance under the bus.

[Sammy]

Well, that's his job role, the executive assistant.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Get.

[Sammy]

I'm sorry, Vance.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not only did he do down.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Vance, you are very important.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's crazy.

[Dan]

Assisting ruining your birthday.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's crazy.

[Sammy]

He's just not going to book any of my meetings with you now. And I'm just.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, that could happen. He has that power.

[Sammy]

I'm just going to walk into your office.

[Linus Sebastian]

He can throw you out. He has that power too.

[Sammy]

Good luck trying. I'm pretty heavy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm sorry, I.

[Linus Sebastian]

No comment.

[Sammy]

Thanks, man.

[Linus Sebastian]

I have.

[Dan]

Vance would call you.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can't even.

[Sammy]

You can't say this.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let the record show. Let the record show that I have never explicitly commented.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So instead it's on video.

[Sammy]

You commenting on my size.

[Linus Sebastian]

All wrong. Wrong platform height. It was the height that I was concerned about.

[Dan]

I buy that for $5.

[Sammy]

You looked at a Go kart and you said, hey, do you fit?

[Linus Sebastian]

Right. Because. Because it was made by a Chinese company that while they did design it for adults. They designed.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is this the one I've sat in.

[Linus Sebastian]

They designed it for adults of a shorter. A shorter. My bones do not fit inside of altitudinal stature.

[Sammy]

You have also said on video. Dang. I know you're not playing any Kinect.

[Linus Sebastian]

Games because you are quite young.

[Sammy]

Implying because it wasn't hooked up.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Sammy]

Oh, man.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because the Wii U just says oof. Because you're quite young. Might not have as much nostalgia for it.

[Sammy]

I also want you to know I've got some jokes from videos because I know if they ever hit the platform.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It would be over. Oh, man.

[Sammy]

Anyways, we got your float lane sign.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sign?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So, consolation prize. Luke asked us to get his float plane sign signed. Is that plugged in?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, well, we should plug it in.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, it has other.

[Sammy]

It's proprietary.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm Assuming they left it at my desk.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. Okay, that makes sense. So Luke has a little light up float plane sign and is now officially.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Signed by the same person. It's. It's exactly the same as the signs that they have at NASA Mission Control. It's made by the same person with the same materials.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's so cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Very cool artifact.

[Linus Sebastian]

And it is now signed by not only Linus Torvalds, but also for some reason.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For some reason. That's okay, Luke. We can remove that off.

[Dan]

We can. We can remove that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think he's always just been too shy to ask. So.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have been waiting 15 years.

[Dan]

Do you not sign his checks?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. No. There's been no way for me to get a signature until now.

[Linus Sebastian]

So. So. So when Linus signed it, I was like, you know what I'll sign it to. It was that. It was so awkward and weird.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Of course it was.

[Sammy]

To be fair, when I saw you doing this, I was like, should I stop him? Because I was like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then didn't. So it didn't let me know on time so that I could make travel arrangements to actually be here. And that doesn't stop the wrong Linus from signing the sign.

[Sammy]

I didn't want to make a scene. I was like, we can remove it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Paint over it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You're that guy with the trolley problem that just like doesn't pull the lever to make the obviously better thing happen.

[Sammy]

No, I make sure I split the.

[Linus Sebastian]

Rail multi track drifting.

[Dan]

This is gonna kill one person or 7 million.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So instead of. Instead of being here for the coolest shoot we've ever done to meet Linus Torvalds.

[Linus Sebastian]

My autograph.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have Linus's autograph on my thing. I was getting trolled by Nick Harris from the lab. The entire time he told the Qualcomm people it was my birthday. And at dinner they sang Happy Birthday to me, which made me just wanna die.

[Linus Sebastian]

You wanna know something crazy? I have made it. I have made it. 39 years of my life never being sung to in a restaurant.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was a stupid thing to say.

[Sammy]

We got to change that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I will walk out.

[Sammy]

We'll follow you.

[Linus Sebastian]

I will.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I will definitely hold him in place. Oh yeah, both of us. Easily.

[Sammy]

No, especially how he comments on my side.

[Linus Sebastian]

Neither of you going to remember this anyway.

[Sammy]

Oh, dude, there's like. Oh, there's only 10,000.

[Dan]

We're not you. We remember.

[Sammy]

If you see him in public on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

His birthday, I have to get you back for the sign.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's funny.

[Dan]

No. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sign his car. This would be very funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry, sorry. Nick Harris is trolling you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Yeah. So very long workday. Nick Harris is trolling me the whole time as per usual. But he just, he keeps like threatening that he's going to tell them, but it's obviously like a. He wouldn't do that. And then he actually did it. So at the end of the night, two Qualcomm people, very nice people come up and walk up just to my side and are just like staring at me for a second and I'm thoroughly confused. I'm like, can I help you? We're out at dinner and then I hear the like and I look to my right and there's sparklers and it's just the worst. Okay. So that was also like.

[Dan]

Oh, no.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Day started at 8 in the morning. We're going. Actually no, my day started. No, day started about 8 in the morning.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Working, working, working. We get onto the bus while we're moving. I'm taking a call. We go do stuff while we're on the bus again, I'm taking another call. For most of the dinner. I have an airpod in because I'm in a call the whole time. Like this is a very heavy workday. And then right when I get off the call, it's Happy birthday. Singing the whole time I'm getting message about how cool the Linus Torvald shoot that I can't be at is while I'm watching get back to hotel crash because I'm super tired. Get a call at like 4 in the morning that the forum is down so I can't even sleep. It was like worst birthday ever potentially. Which, you know, all things considered. Not that it could have been.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it could have been worse.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Could have been worse.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is probably my worst birthday.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, you could have. We could have had both Linus, Torvalds and Gaben here at the studio at the same time. You could have missed that. That would have been worse.

[Sammy]

I'm gonna plan the game and shoot when you're gone, I will freak out.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, do it.

[Dan]

Do it with just Luke.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

Linus gone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

I think I would lose my job.

[Dan]

Worth it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

His body language since Dan said that is amazing. Please, I. The like aura coming off of Lus was so strong.

[Sammy]

I would lose my job.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not acceptable.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Guaranteed.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not acceptable.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was amazing.

[Dan]

We flew to Gabe's yacht for a float plane exclusive. Sammy, Elijah, Luke, where Linus is like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Boats, you might be on a boat, but them still dangerous waters, boys. All right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Didn't Luke Miss the last guess. Yeah, I miss all of them. As far as I can tell, Linus purposely plans them too.

[Linus Sebastian]

I had nothing to do with the dates.

[Dan]

Apparently it's Vance.

[Linus Sebastian]

I found us.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

How did you hurt him?

[Luke Lafreniere]

So what I've learned today is that Vance hates me.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Sammy]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, it's official.

[Dan]

I'm posting in general about it pings the whole company.

[Sammy]

Vance hates Luke.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Zastba in Twitch chat. Linus doesn't pull rank often, but when he does, it's to not miss a gay band meet and greet. Yeah, you better believe it.

[Sammy]

What do you mean not often?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think I pull rank that much.

[Sammy]

Just trying to start drawing.

[Linus Sebastian]

I would over this though.

[Sammy]

Oh, yeah, A hundred percent.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'd be like, no. Unacceptable.

[Sammy]

Really funny though. No, I'm debating if it's worth losing the job, but.

[Linus Sebastian]

You gotta be kidding me right now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And try to send it to Dan, but Nick got the frame that I turned from the people singing to him. He has the frame of the video.

[Linus Sebastian]

The look of betrayal. Top 10 anime betrayals. Right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because it's, it's a weird moment because I don't want to like, obviously I don't want this to happen, but I also don't want to like, be a jerk to these people that I just met.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There. I sent it to you.

[Dan]

Dan, do you want that on screen?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. Yeah. So I'm trying to like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry, spoilers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Are you ready?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, sure. So I'm trying to like, smile and be happy because I don't want to be a big jerk. But then I'm also like, what the hell, Nick? Oh, no. Oh, no.

[Sammy]

That's way too funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

Crying a little bit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, man.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, no.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I just got trolled by like the whole world.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm sorry. I really did wish you could be there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I, I, I really wanted to bail, but like, it's, it's the Friday or Thursday or whatever before this thing that's been planned for like a month. It's our first like, thing of this style with them and yada, yada, yada.

[Linus Sebastian]

So it's like Luke's schmoozing and, and, and for, for labs team to get us, you know, connected with all the right technical people to make sure that we can invest in and it was a great trip stuff and. Oh yeah, no, for sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was actually legitimately a great trip. So would I have rather been here to hang out with like, you know.

[Sammy]

Yeah, 20 minute drive with him was pretty great trip.

[Linus Sebastian]

All righty. Yeah, even I'm a little jealous. That might have been.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was. That's very cool to me.

[Sammy]

That is like, actually what Top one or two moments in my life. Yeah, obviously I was joking.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's extremely cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, that's like. I didn't even.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I didn't even have one on there. Good job, good job, good job.

[Linus Sebastian]

I didn't even have one on one time with them. Like, we went for coffee, I had a cookie.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's also something about car drives. I don't know what it is.

[Sammy]

We talked about, like, YouTube and, like, how the creator economy works a little bit. He talked about, like, working with his team and what that's like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

Working from home, probably fast, remote. He honestly asked, like, more questions than I got to ask back. I felt was like, no, this man's asking me about YouTube.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was like, again, I think this is part of the try everything once thing. And that's very cool to be the potential facilitator of that. That's still extremely cool because one thing.

[Sammy]

We talk about about was the recent ad block change that ended up impacting views and how that can impact the creator economy from a sponsorship side or how that could impact just channel momentum. And he was, it seemed very interested in, like, oh, that's a change that I could see how ad blockers are just like, too. But, like, it really impacted well.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I think to a certain degree it's still happening. And that's a whole other thing. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Very cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Alrighty.

[Sammy]

I don't want to overstate my welcome. Thank you for letting me hang out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So thanks for nothing.

[Sammy]

Yeah, I do my best.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, see you later.

[Sammy]

Bye, everyone.

[Linus Sebastian]

Have a good weekend.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I do my best. I got it, I got it. I can take it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. You're getting no fist bump from him. Not after what happened.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, you're still.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was still. It was resentful. I could tell. I could tell.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, you're good.

[Sammy]

There's not a lot of room back here.

[Linus Sebastian]

By the way, that LTX 19 shirt, though. Yeah. Damn.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's been a little worse for wear, but for some reason it's one of my favorite shirts.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, we have a couple of float plane things that we're supposed to do. I owe Sammy a shout out for floatplane. We finally filmed it special behind the scenes. Okay, so here, hold on. I'm supposed to click these things. Oh, okay. So here's a behind the scenes of the intro. Am I supposed to play the whole thing?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are these like wooden ones that we've had forever?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, they got sharp ones. For reasons that escape me, they're actually sharp. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know what we were thinking. Is this the. Hold on. Is this the time stamp I'm supposed to go from? Let me just check. What does Semi want? I don't know. Okay, there's an. Oh, this is an unlisted short clip to watch on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

When can we get audio, Dan?

[Dan]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. This is great. I love that he's got a sword out and has his glasses right here. The guy's so genuine, man.

[Dan]

Ready?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, one second.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The flourish.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, this is awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There can be only one. That was actually pretty good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Stop playing with your ball.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my. I'm so pissed, dude.

[Dan]

Oh, my God.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh. So the way it's go. Oh, he's salty. The way it's gonna cut together is I'm going to start the video like a perfectly normal video. Okay, Sir Dan did that. I'm gonna start the video like a perfectly normal video. You guys may remember the time built Linus Torvald's computer. Well, guess what? We're gonna do it today with the man himself. And then it cuts to him. Like, we. The doors, like, open, and we'll have, like, the, like, Highlander style, like the electricity and get some rock music or whatever. And he comes in and he does the flourish. There can be only one. We'll get the like. And then it's gonna cut to me, and I'm gonna be like. And then it's gonna go in and it's like. And then it's gonna go to the wide, and I'm gonna have my sword out just, like, randomly. And it'll be like. And then we'll cut to a shot where we're both, like, right close to each other. The one that you guys saw kind of at the end there where we're like. We're like, eye contact. And it'll be like. And then it'll cut to Elijah just sitting on his chair being like. Or you could just build the PC together. And we're like, oh, yeah, yeah, that could work. Just. Ah, it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be great. I am. I'm so excited for you guys to see this video. And that gives you some idea of what a good sport he was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

About the whole thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Public clip of Luke getting his float plane sign signed for his birthday. Oh, okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Screenshotting my DMs. It's at the end. Someone on this account already watched it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, that's hilarious. Okay, hold on. Oh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So this Is Sammy like, one second.

[Linus Sebastian]

Before going to get it? Okay. This is great. This is great. So is our video platform. And Luke, Dude, I was so nervous, like. Anyway, so I feel bad because my.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Signature is the ugliest thing ever.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyway, you guys will have to subscribe to Floatplane. You can get the whole thing. But I can show you the part where I sign it. Hold on. Is that in here? But I'm gonna sign it, too. That's why.

[Sammy]

Ask him to guess which one is which.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, hey, I mean, it's the start of a thing. You could collect all the tech, Linuses.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I think I already did. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice. Good job. You like 100 percenting things. You can check out the full videos at LMG GG floatplane. There's going to be another video where staff ask him questions after the shoot. That'll be coming on Monday, and there will probably be more. Also, if you are subscribed to Floatplane, it ensures you won't miss any of our Black Friday Cyber Monday deals because they are coming early for subscribers. Okay. Yep. Cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think that's it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Should we. How. Oh, my God. How long have we been live?

[Dan]

Two hours.

[Linus Sebastian]

We've only done two topics.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's merch messages time.

[Dan]

We're just about in one after dark.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, we have a lot of topics left, though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God. There's so many topics.

[Dan]

Let's. Let's do maybe some CW stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Merch massages.

[Dan]

Let's not bother with the merch messages.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. We have. We have product launches and it is November. We had a pretty slow September. October. Because that is not the holiday shopping season. And now it is the holiday shopping season. We've got some announcements. If you guys missed the very beginning of the show, we are adding a couple of big products to the RGB collection. We have this freaking sick. A navy sweater that is 100% cotton knit with little multi nep yarn flecks. So we'll probably get a better shot of it on this. Actually. Luke, can you fire up the site and then we can show people what it looks like? It's got a clean, polished look. It's great for the office, but colorful specs keep it fun for holiday hangouts. And we also have. Luke, do you have that up already?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's loading.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it's fine. I get it. We also have dun dun dun, dun dun dun dun dun. The RGB beanie. Yeah. There you go. There's the sweater. Wow. It really doesn't Capture the color that well. Yeah, it's darker than that. It's darker than that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's tough.

[Linus Sebastian]

Get me a close up of the multi net though, please tell me that's on there. There we go. Yes. So it's just a little touch of fun. Little touch of fun. Just like our RGB shirts have been in the past. Then I'm going to go back to There we go. This. We also have our beanies in both black and gray and both regular and short depths. There you go. We've got the two different sizes, we've got the two different beanies. And then Luke, if you want to fire up the product page there, Boom. Warm, cozy and ties right in with the rest of the RGB lineup or looks great on its own. Shop the RGB collection at LMG GG rgb and while you're on the site, don't forget. Actually if you want to fire up the hundred dollar blah blah thing, I'm on it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's just going to take me a second.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cool. Don't forget we have our holiday loot drop happening right now. Spend $100 or more and you could win a pair of Sennheiser headphones or if you're really lucky, an Asus Rog Xbox Ally X and, and. But wait, there's more. We have our Buy More Save More apparel deal running until November 26th. You can save up to 25% when you stack apparel items. Oh yeah, go ahead and click that. Yeah, yeah, that's good. That one right there. So if you buy two items, I think it's. Shoot. What is it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It shows. I think if I click on one of the things. There you go. You can see right here for your own reference. So mix and match two or more clothing items and save two items is 10% off, three is 15, four is 20 and five plus items is 25% off.

[Linus Sebastian]

So load it up the cart. To be clear, we've got printed T shirts back in stock. We've got these great new RGB products. You can find everything that's eligible at. Oh shoot. I don't actually see the link to everything that sells you. Well, you can go to the main site and then you can click this banner and then you want to scroll down real quick. The WAN hoodie is. The WAN hoodie is on fire. People are loving the new WAN hoodie.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's very cool. Well, it's everything with the Buy More Save More tag, I guess.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So there's actually a lot of stuff. The underwear is actually flying off the Shelves as well. I forgot how long we were out of stock.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude, it was a real. I'm restocking. It's been in a long time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I know. So there's some pent up demand. Anyway, since we're live, I didn't mean to do that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was unintentionally quite good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice quality. Quality. Linus, what was I going to say? Oh yeah, right. And since we're live, now's a great time to place your order on LTT store because you can send a merge message. All you got to do is add something to your cart and then whenever we're live, there will be a box where you can send a merge message. This makes much more sense than streaks. Is that what it's called? That's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hype train. They did a hype train in Twitch chat because. Stop it. They did that because we acknowledged them for the first time in years and I told them that's dumb. And what you should do if you want to throw money at your screen. I mean by all means use your prime, you know, membership or subscription or whatever they're called on Twitch. Use that one. I don't care. But don't spend money on that. Spend money on lttstore.com where whether we acknowledge your message by, you know, having Dan reply to it, there he is. Or he forwards it to someone who can get you a better answer, or he throws it up on the screen like that one. That's a bit up there. Or he curates it for me and Luke to answer, you will still get high quality merchandise in the mail. You can type a message. You can be anonymous or have your name show. You can change the color of your merch message. You will have to opt into email communication about your message if you have a question that Dan can't answer. So that is sort of worth knowing. And then you go ahead and place your order. All right, Dan, do you want to show us how merch messages works? Hit us with a couple?

[Dan]

Yeah, sure. We got lots today. Things are selling quite quickly.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. It's that season. It is that time of year.

[Dan]

Hello, lld. I finished my engineering degree. Next year I'll do my master's degree. And I've been working for a month on my thesis about outside in tracking with rf. What features are relevant here?

[Linus Sebastian]

What features are relevant here?

[Dan]

This feels truncated potentially maybe. I know that the new one you uses cameras whereas some of the other ones use other forms like the Oculus uses a different type and outside in with the Original oculus, I guess. CV1 was camera.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes. That was cameras.

[Dan]

And then lighthouses are laser, if I remember correctly.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, man. But then technically, light is rf. Technically. Isn't it so, like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Strange.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I'm sorry, I. I think this is truncated and I don't know if we're going to be able to answer that in any meaningful way.

[Dan]

Darn. Up next.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, yes, let's do that. Sorry.

[Dan]

Favorite Taylor Swift song.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. You're not going to give them anything good. Oh, do you just want to get through this quickly so we can do more topics and you can go home eventually? Is that what this is about?

[Dan]

What do you mean? I thought we were moving on from that merch message. Did I miss something?

[Linus Sebastian]

Favorite Taylor Swift song. I just mean this is the. It's the most important week of lmg, basically, in, you know, years at this point, because we have Linus Torvalds here and we have the huge Steam announcement, and you ask me what Taylor Swift song I like.

[Dan]

I mean, that's why they hid their name. It is anonymous. Because they don't know how to answer good questions.

[Linus Sebastian]

You mean ask good questions?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're the one who doesn't know how to select good questions for us to answer. I don't. I don't know.

[Dan]

I thought you were a swiftie. I mean, you're. You the dump truck. You share that. You're both blonde.

[Linus Sebastian]

I have never talked about. I would never talk about Taylor Swift's butt. Okay, sorry.

[Dan]

Thighs.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes. We both have. We both. We both have. We both have thighs. We have that.

[Dan]

Damn right you do.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes. That's. That's something we both have in common.

[Dan]

Crazy. What. What I'm saying is. Factual. They both have legs.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know what? I'm going to go with one of her songs. That. That speaks very strongly to me. You need to calm down. I'm going to go with. You need to calm down.

[Dan]

Thank you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hearing that, it helps you. It speaks very strongly to you.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no, no, no, no. It's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

L. Of Sebastian needs to calm down.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

What?

[Linus Sebastian]

You just have no idea what you're talking about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude, if this was a to everyone question, I literally don't know a single one of her songs.

[Linus Sebastian]

I guarantee you do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I'm sure the song.

[Linus Sebastian]

Romeo and Juliet. Sure. Yeah. Or what's it called?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm not gonna know the name.

[Linus Sebastian]

Story. Love Story First.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I. I guarantee you I've heard her songs. I just don't know the names of them.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ah, I see.

[Dan]

I see.

[Linus Sebastian]

Apparently I don't either. I just called it Romeo and Juliet. Some swifty. I am.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Thigh reduction just happened.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Yeah, no, no, they're. They're still there. I have been losing weight, though. I think I haven't been eating enough to keep up with how active I've been lately.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's a thing?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I think I need to. I need to eat more. I don't. I don't have time during the day, though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm back on that.

[Linus Sebastian]

On what?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not eating enough on purpose.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm back on the cutting. Yeah, well, my wrist is so messed up, I can't work out properly. So it's like, well, time to do the other thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, fair enough.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was trying to think. It was. It was very frustrating for a while, and then I was just like, you know, I'll just cut then.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, make lemonade.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, exactly.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's fine. Beyonce style.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's fine. I'll make it work.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I'll just.

[Linus Sebastian]

Lemonade.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Get back to it when things are better.

[Dan]

Yeah, that. Was that a P. Diddy thing?

[Linus Sebastian]

I get it. Hold on, hold on. I'll be right back. One second.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, he's gonna. He's gonna go do it. I feel like giving someone else a ding just gave him a significant amount of dopamine. Does he need his own belt?

[Dan]

I was concerned for my. My dry sweater for a second there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, no. Oh, gross.

[Linus Sebastian]

Gross. How about another one?

[Dan]

Moving on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, let's do one more. Hi, Dll. How do you do deal with issues.

[Dan]

Of sibling rivalry, both in your kids for Linus and with your siblings growing up. Also, more underwear. Stock win.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are we out of stock?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did we sell them all?

[Dan]

We sell them so quickly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did we really?

[Dan]

Oh, people love them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That sucks. I wanted some of those. I gotta start.

[Dan]

I'm gonna start submitting.

[Linus Sebastian]

Margins are out of stock for you.

[Dan]

Would you prefer that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I just. I feel like we should use the like, is Luke gonna buy it metric. Because every time I want to buy something on the store, it's just gone.

[Dan]

I think. I think I'm going to accost you after the show, and we will sit down and just put stuff in there for you, maybe.

[Linus Sebastian]

Damn it. Okay, anyway. Crap.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, Medium, large, and XL are all gone.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, which store are you on? Hold on. I'm on the USA store. There's still some more in store. I'm on the USA store.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm on global. Both designs for medium large and xl, by the way. It's not even just, like, one of them. It's Both designs.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Meanwhile, on the US Store, it's medium large or out for the solid, and it's just large out for the prism and confetti design.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Small is also sold out on the solid.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Well, anyway, of all the problems to have. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. Not the worst problem. I know. Well, it's not a good problem. No, no, it's not good. But it's, it's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It would be worse if no one wanted.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's really hard to find the right balance when you're stalking. And now that we have multiple distribution centers, it's even more challenging. And it's only going to get more challenging in the future as like, obviously, you know, it's not like, it's not occurred to us that it would be good to have a European dc. For instance.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm getting roasted by flowpoint Chat.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh. Seth Hylan asks what percentage of LTT sales are during WAN Show. Less than you'd probably think. A fair bit. Like WAN show is a, is a big driver. We often launch products on WAN show, so that inflates the numbers a little bit. But when we don't, it's not like we don't have other mechanisms for promoting, for promoting new products and stuff like that. And they'll still, they'll still be quite strong. No, it's a, it's a very serious business for us. I mean, I, I think I meant. Did I mention earlier on the show today that you got to meet Linus Torvalds with homie that we're finally doing. How does LMG spend money?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I don't know if you did or not.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did I talk about it last week? Do you guys know about this already? Okay, yeah. So basically I've had more exposure to, you know, expense reports in the last week than I probably have in the last five years because I just don't really look that closely at that stuff as part of my, my daily work.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

And the merch business is huge. Like we on inventory, we spend millions and millions and millions of dollars a year. It's crazy. And it's so hard to get it right to not over buy, but not under buy. Especially when, I mean, you go on the store and like almost every product is a bespoke created product.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, we really have no idea. I was, I was talking to someone about this recently. We really have no idea how to chill with things, like ever. Why would we chill like, like ever, Even when it would be totally fine? We're like, nah, yeah, nah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why would we chill let's make a pen.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But instead. But instead of it being a normal pen.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. This one is relatively low effort, by the way. That was very cool. We can't really talk about where we were.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, we can't at all.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or who we were talking to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nope.

[Linus Sebastian]

But Luke and I got on very, like, strong authority that PTM 7950 is goaded.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, extremely strong. Pretty much like, I can't tell you who it is, but the highest, pretty maximum strong authority. There's God and then there's this individual. In terms of their authority on this subject. It was pretty. It was pretty validating.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know if I disagree.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. So that was. That was pretty cool. Oh. Oh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my God. Flip chat won't leave me alone. Dude, what.

[Linus Sebastian]

What is this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Charged nuclei said. And you let Luke meet them just every time. Every time you bring up anything.

[Linus Sebastian]

It wasn't my fault, Luke. I didn't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I know. It was the person who recently left.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know. I really. I, I would have thought if there was anything that could have been done, you would have paid for you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I knew it was upcoming, but legitimately, until that, I think Thursday, I had no idea. It was like, the next week.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know. I'm sorry.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then it was way too late. I mean, it is what it is.

[Linus Sebastian]

But at least you have that sign.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is actually really cool from both of us. That sign is, like, one of my favorite things. And then.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I'm surprised you don't like the one for the Walmart.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, that's super cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I thought you, like, gave it back to me or something, didn't you? I think. No, you asked me to store it. Yeah, because you didn't have anywhere to put it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Okay. Never mind.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I still don't.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I still have the plane, too. I'm still, like, holding on to that for you. That's yours. That's not mine. I don't, like, want it forever, Luke.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you ever, in a cool way.

[Dan]

Though, do you ever display the one of one thing that you have that I gave you from the place, the people.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's secret. Good. Okay. You've seen unravels like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You should never show anyone that.

[Dan]

Ever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is private.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Cool.

[Dan]

Very private.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right. What are, what are we supposed to.

[Dan]

What was the very behind.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right. Sibling rivalry.

[Dan]

Sibling rivalry.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

How do I put this? How do I put this Lightly? I, I, I don't really feel any rivalry with my siblings. We've you gotta not put the how.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do I put this lightly first. Well, no, I don't put the how do I put this lightly first, then that statement is totally fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

People could take it the wrong way, though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think by putting how do I put this lightly before it, people will now take it the wrong way.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, no.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If you just didn't say that, it would have been.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Dan]

No offense, but I actually have a pretty healthy relationship with my family.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

My point is that we have. None of us have tried to achieve even remotely the same things. Like, my siblings have zero interest in being an online influencer across the board. Zero. So, like, how do you. How do you measure that? Kind of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, there's no rivalry there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And like, also.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Like, wildly different types of success.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And I mean, it's like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If I'm looking at my, like, sibling rivalry, I think my brother has achieved.

[Linus Sebastian]

Very immense levels of success in very different things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He got the exact career that he wanted.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

In the exact way that he wanted it. And is excelling with it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Seems to be nailing it on the family side.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nailing on the family side.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pun intended. He's got a couple kids.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He's got. Yeah, yeah. And that's all going pretty well.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry, Rich.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Little graphic. But he won't mind.

[Sammy]

I know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So, like. Yeah, I. I don't see any. I hear what you're saying. It's completely different realms.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Luke informed me you're good at it in ways that make sense to him and to you, but not to the audience right now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So no further.

[Linus Sebastian]

Elaborate.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Extremely weirdly, I almost feel like I need to explain that now.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm uncomfortable. I don't think you can.

[Dan]

We've got Linus's thighs and now this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What's going on?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think you can.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The success rate was high. It's like the chicken.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it's not like the chicken.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Our family's just.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's not like the chicken. It's nothing like chicken. Chicken is chick in, not chicken. Pregated.

[Dan]

I mean, you could chick on. I think that's allowed.

[Linus Sebastian]

And we're cooked.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why did. Why did Linus Dorvalt ever agree to work with us?

[Linus Sebastian]

Because he never heard of our channel.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Never seen the WAN show. There's no way. There's no way he's ever seen the WAN show.

[Linus Sebastian]

I actually specifically asked him if he had looked into any, like, controversies around us, and he said he explicitly doesn't, which used to be my policy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm happy that hasn't been him in the butt.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then I collab with Hasan and collabed with too mad. And I was on a bit of a streak there for a bit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I do really hate where, like, if. If there's. If there's literally any level of, like, contact, people assume that you've, like, done deep dives on everyone around. Like, that's insane and needs to stop.

[Linus Sebastian]

But. Or that you agree with them on everything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Now literally every single thing they've ever said, you now full heartedly agree with.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, there's people I know and I'm friends with where I can name a multitude of things that I don't agree with them on. Like, that. I feel like that should be fairly normal. But anyways, that's a whole other topic. Let's go. Oh, yeah. Xqc There you go. Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

And to be clear, I'm not saying that I, like, hate those people or whatever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm just saying that have been controversial figures.

[Linus Sebastian]

I didn't research them at all, and I didn't realize that they were quite polarizing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's all I'll say.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because that's all that needs to be said.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think we came out of those fairly unscathed.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I think so. I think so.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think the one that there was the most concern about was two mad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I was just like, yeah.

[Dan]

What?

[Linus Sebastian]

He bombed some zoom calls at that point. I think he got more controversial later.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think that's true.

[Linus Sebastian]

We also kind of. I think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think all of those figures. I think every single. Every single collab in that collab streak has become more controversial over time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think that's true, but I think they were people who. That was, to a certain degree, their shtick. So it was somewhat inevitable, I think.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I'm actually X. I can't tell.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my God. Aj, Come on. Did you make it? Admin only. Don't. Don't add more. Admin only emotes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did he seriously add the. You being upset about the birthday song?

[Dan]

I absolutely did not send it to him on teams so that he could do that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God. This is amazing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, you probably. Oh, you probably need that new command.

[Linus Sebastian]

What's the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You're gonna need a new command.

[Linus Sebastian]

What is the. What is the command for it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Slash, clear cache with a capital C.

[Linus Sebastian]

How do I type? How do I type this? Oh, yeah. The spam has begun.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cache cleared. No, no, no, no, no, no. The first C is lowercase. The second key is C is capital. Oh, everybody's doing it wrong. My bad. I said it. I said it poorly. The. It's, it's clear, all lowercase and then capital C.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cash.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, all right.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cash. As for sibling rivalry with my kids.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why would you do this?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think we.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why would you do this? People are actually doing it. Why would you do that?

[Linus Sebastian]

That's great. That's. That's how I get all their money from LTT store. They type clear cash. It all comes to me. They clear their cash.

[Dan]

It re ups their subscription every single time. The real hype train.

[Linus Sebastian]

As for, as for kids, same thing. My kids don't aspire to the same things. Like they're, they're very, very different. I'd say that with the daughters, it's, it's something that we're going to be paying more and more close attention to as they like hit puberty and stuff and they start to, to, you know, think about body image and stuff like that. But so far it hasn't really been a major issue. Like, it's not like it's not like my daughter's care that my son's team went 36. 0 for volleyball this year.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Based the.

[Linus Sebastian]

The gym coach who's been there long enough to. Long enough that. Oh, how do I say this doesn't help you? Oh, basically she's been there a very long time and she said to her knowledge, no team at the school has ever had an undefeated season in any grade in any sport, which was pretty cool. So they went completely undefeated this year.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's epic.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just swept everything. They. Unfortunately, there were no provincials for his grade. Volleyball this year.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh. But there will be at higher grades.

[Linus Sebastian]

But there will be at higher grades. So he's. So he's. He's getting pretty. He's getting pretty into it. I told him don't forget about badminton. Don't forget to play with me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sometimes people are typing slash Lou.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that'll just unlock everything that makes sense. And I don't know when more underwear stock is coming. I'm sorry. Okay, we should move on to a new topic. Microsoft Exact says Windows is evolving into an agentic OS and gets cooked in the replies.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Although in fairness, Windows 11 Start menu does seem like it's getting a pretty good redesign.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How's that in fairness?

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, they're doing something. Something positive.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's but also sure Microsoft's.

[Linus Sebastian]

Current head of Windows, Pavan Daviluri, posted on X to say that the future of the platform is one that is evolving into an agentic os. The Tweet has seen pushback with various opinions pretty much all stating the same thing. Nobody wants to use Windows primarily through an AI middleman. The Windows Start menu is receiving its first significant makeover since 2021 and will be delivered to all users as part of the November 11th update.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I do like it more.

[Linus Sebastian]

The menu is now scrollable here. Do you want to. So you can move through your apps in one place. And the interface is now larger with a responsive layout that adapts to the screen size automatically. However, you cannot resize it manually for comparison. Yeah, the Start settings page is being updated and will no longer feature the layout option. If you disable all the recommended settings, you'll also have the ability to hide the recommended section of the Start menu, which, honestly is probably good. I don't need recommendations for what it was that I was hoping to open right now, because you have no way of knowing that. I'm gonna kill our discussion question here. We're just gonna kind of move on because. Yeah, that's all I think I really feel the need to say about that. Oh, this one doesn't have a header, so I can't collapse it Downer. Luke, you want to pick one?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. Let's talk about Ubisoft. Oh, I feel like you were doing a throwback to the old house. Keep on digging.

[Linus Sebastian]

Keep on digging. Yeah, we had this thing on Wan show. It's been a very long time where there was just. It felt like every week. Yeah, six months. Like, I don't know how long time. It was a long time. Just every. Every week. Every other week. At least there was some terrible news out of Ubisoft or they were doing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Something awful, which was insane because that was also at like a pretty fairly peak time for Ubisoft. That was like Assassin's Creed 4 and like, like all these, like really big. Like their games are doing well, but they were just doing really horrible things.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Or like the launch would be super buggy and they'd fix it later, but it was just like unnecessary floating eyeballs and stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was like slightly later than what I was talking about, but definitely still during. Keep on digging.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So we even made a shirt. It had a shovel on it. Nick Van Berkel designed it. That was back when just like we didn't have designers, we just had our video editors who had some familiarity with multi talented people. Yeah, the Adobe suite. So anyway. All right, what's up with Ubisoft right now?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Ubisoft delayed its half year earnings report, which is a really big deal for Public companies and requested halted trading until its release on Thursday, November. Okay, we're moving stuff around. On Thursday, November 13, the day Ubisoft was to release its hacker year. Yeah. The day of crazy was to release Its Half Year 2025, 2026 earnings report. The company instead announced a delay and requested a halt to the trading of its shares and bonds on Euronext.

[Dan]

All right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Engachet says delays to earning reports may happen due to accounting issues, but speculates halting trading of the company's shares could portend major news such as a sale or Ubisoft becoming a private entity again. Oh, interesting. Tencent recently took a 25% stake of new Ubisoft subsidiary Vantage Studios, which now manages the company's major titles like Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, and Rainbow. Why would they do that? That's weird.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because they want to own gaming.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, why would, why would Ubisoft split off their major titles into a sub brand?

[Linus Sebastian]

Because Ubisoft is. Ah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So sink the bad ship, move everything else off and do a. Okay. All right. Makes sense. There was talk of Tencent taking Ubisoft private last year. Yikes. This follows contract buyouts for some employees of the company just last month.

[Linus Sebastian]

Month. This is the kind of, like, financial finagling that means that no matter how poorly managed a company is, once it's big enough, it almost feels like there's no consequences for the leadership because they can just make moves and then, yeah, keep shoveling money into the sacks of money that they sleep on. Presumably, like, yeah, the individual developers will suffer in all of this, like, sort of reorg acquisition nonsense. But the actual leadership, that put them in a position where they weren't profitable enough to just keep doing what they were doing in the first place, if anything, will probably benefit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I, I, Yeah, I, I saw a comment go by about this, but I also had the thought and I, and I lost the comments. I can't say the person's name, so sorry, but video game industry Canada. Yikes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

EA is now purchased.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Ubisoft is.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, let's see.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But clearly something funky.

[Linus Sebastian]

Clearly something. Yeah, yeah. Star. I says China, Ubisoft and Saudi, ea. Crazy times. Pretty much.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yikes.

[Linus Sebastian]

We should probably do sponsor spots at some point here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is. Ooh.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or not. Carry on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, you can go for it. I was gonna have a conversation about, like, the industries that you can get into in Canada and how that's like, I had a conversation on a recent trip about. Okay, I didn't realize. Adreno Radeon.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, oh yeah. Wasn't it Imagion? Didn't they like acquire that IP or something from AMD and hold on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There was some speculation that they might have acquired some part of ATI Imagion.

[Linus Sebastian]

Previously ATI Imagion was a series of media co processors. Hold on, hold on. Produced by ATI later AMD. AMD later sold it to Qualcomm in 2009. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So that's where Adreno comes from.

[Linus Sebastian]

I actually didn't realize that that was where Adreno came from. I thought Imagion was a cooler name. Personally.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Imagion's pretty cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But anyways, Adreno comes from there. But ATI was Canadian. For people that don't know, we also had Nortel BlackBerry. A lot of. But yeah, sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, a lot of our. You used to be able to get a RIM job in Canada, no problem. And now there are no RIM jobs.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We even exported RIM jobs. But yeah, a lot of our tech has been bought and moved away.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Now our gaming industry is being bought and moved away and it's like what do you go to school for to get into industry for in Canada now there is still a lot of stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

You get into medical care.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That is. That is a. Yeah. That is a space that is getting worse over time and that's not good. And I hope we start doing things.

[Linus Sebastian]

To start float plane chat. You got to get your mind out of the gunner. Okay. It's a research in motion job.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. What are you talking about?

[Linus Sebastian]

Grow up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What are they even talking about?

[Linus Sebastian]

Grow up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What is it though?

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm not going to tell you. Your virgin mind cannot. Virgin tongue.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyways, I'm sad about this. There have been. Oh wow. There are. There are a lot of Ubisoft games that I've really loved over the years. Anno is fantastic. I've been a huge fan of the Assassin's Creed line a bunch of the.

[Linus Sebastian]

Especially I don't know how much credit Ubisoft can take for Anno.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, sure, fair enough.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Like that team's been around killing it since like the 90s and as far.

[Luke Lafreniere]

As I know, they're. They're like kind of related.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, Ubisoft just publishes for them as far as I can tell.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I didn't actually realize it was that separated. My bad.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I thought they were a thing within, but I. I've not like looked this up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh. Apparently some Anno games have been developed by Ubisoft. Blue Bite, German video game holding company owned by Ubisoft was founded in blah blah blah. So I, I thought they were just all Max Design.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I didn't realize there was even two. So I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh no. Defunct 2004. Okay. Yeah, it shows you what I know actually. Okay. No, no, wait. By Sunflowers. In collaboration with Max based in Schladming. That company is best known for creating the Anno series. The company was closed down in 2004.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. Shows you what I know then.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Been a while, but anyways, they've made a lot of games that I have really loved. But the way the company has been run has always been highly questionable. Hence the old keep on digging memes. The creation of Ubisoft Connect or whatever the heck it's even called now Uplay was pretty whack. There's been a lot of things that have just been like not great. So I'm not surprised. They're in a, in a tough spot, but it sucks to lose even more Canadian industry. And I understand like it's not like EA just like deleted their offices in Canada or anything, but I wouldn't be surprised if the focus shifted.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anno is about as Ubisoft as it gets. It looks like developer for Anno 1800 is Ubisoft Blue Byte. Yep. So it's. It's first party. Yep. Sorry about that. Max Design only did the first two back in 1998 and 2002. Make sure I get that right for you guys.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I didn't play those ones, so yeah, I was honestly mostly sad.

[Linus Sebastian]

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[Luke Lafreniere]

What is this? Is this just stock footage?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think. Is this theirs or what? What is this? What am I looking at?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It doesn't look like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that's not Bessie's shoes. It kind of looks like AI doesn't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It does, but I don't think it actually is.

[Linus Sebastian]

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[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

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[Luke Lafreniere]

Makes it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Now we crumple it all back up and put it into the box. Some people. And for some people that's enough. But if it's not, or if you just are kind of looking for something different. Black Friday is kicking off with up to 40% off Odd Pieces. Just go to odd pieces.com/wan show and use code WAN SHOW for another 15 off if it's your first order. Okay. That's a pretty deep discount. Go check it out. All right. There you go. Dan. Yeah.

[Dan]

No, it's not about going home. We're just two and a half hours in.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is that the problem? If two and a half hours and.

[Dan]

You want to go home, you know that we like doing seven hour wind shows.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The audience, you know, I. Really? Yeah.

[Dan]

Really?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Dan]

Wow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I want us to start relatively close to on time and go past midnight one time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm not saying it has to be now.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's too long. Do you need a white to listen to WAN show for that long?

[Dan]

It's not about that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Literally nobody. Look how many people have tuned out already. See the graph? It's gone down. They're bored, they're tired of us. And I don't blame them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Look at us.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a. It's. It's another podcast with a bunch of white dudes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A lot of the same flavor of ice cream.

[Linus Sebastian]

Vanilla.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just a lot of vanilla.

[Linus Sebastian]

Vanilla. It's just the color of the hair in your vanilla ice cream. Would you like darker hair in your vanilla and a lot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. There's so much. Why is there so much in this ice cream? Entirely too much. It's more.

[Dan]

Mostly hair with some vanilla.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You mean none of them are balding and they all have beards? What's happening right now?

[Linus Sebastian]

My question is, where should the hair come from? Is it time to get an office cat?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I went to grab a granola bar from the cupboard before the WAN show today. And my first two attempts, the package had been opened by what appeared to be rodent teeth.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Did I tell you about the one time I took a meeting on the wanset?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I had to get a meeting. A meeting with Taryn. Went a little bit long.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I couldn't make it over the lab. I needed somewhere to sit. I checked the conference room. Conference room taken. I don't have time to just keep checking all the different areas. So I just ran out of the WAN set. Cause I knew it would be free. I had a meeting here. I had to take a picture really quick for the WAN hoodie. And I picked up that sign, your A plus sign, and held it in front of me. And there was, I think, three spiders on the back. And they just left me alone. So I just held it with them there, put it back. Then while I was taking the meeting, sitting on the set, I saw not one, but two different mice running around the set. We could use a cat. We could maybe use two cats. One for each building or for each major building.

[Linus Sebastian]

So we used to have an employee that not only was quite allergic to cats, but not willing to overcome it. Like, not into cats.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Got it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think we would have to. Maybe this could be a subject for the all hands on Monday. Maybe we could. Maybe we could just basically go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is anyone going to. Health reasons. Veto. A cat.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, we can't do that in public. We'd have to allow them to do it privately.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Give us. Let us know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, Let us know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

But otherwise, we think we should. We think we need some cat.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We could use something.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm infested by flies. It's been the solution for thousands of years.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

At this point, you know, little houses that they go into or whatever. We're reinventing the wheel. The wheel is a cat.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So, okay, all right. I'm, I, at this point, I'm looking at it going, okay. And if someone does object to it, I think I would want to kind of talk to them and go, okay, well like, here's the issue. You like, are the allergies worse than. Because we clearly can't get the rodents under control.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe.

[Linus Sebastian]

And maybe the answer is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The answer could absolutely be yes and.

[Linus Sebastian]

That would be fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

It depends on the severity. But are the allergies worse than the risk of like rodent infestation being a health hazard? Because we've, we've tried. We've got traps freaking everywhere they are. But it's a huge space.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They literally ran past last one.

[Linus Sebastian]

So much clutter.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was trying to get a video to prove that I saw two separate mice on the WAN show set. And while trying to film them, which I failed to do because they were quick, I didn't think of it fast enough. I saw one of the traps that they've just very clearly ran past.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. All right. I think it's, I think it might be time. Arrakis says ferrets are better mousers and are rarely an allergy concern. Yeah, but they stinky. Yeah, Stinky litter box. Whereas cats are. We could get a couple robot litter boxes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's a few people that have said that would be a bad idea, but I haven't seen a single person say why. I do have cat allergies and it can cause massive long term issues.

[Linus Sebastian]

Massive long term issues. I've never heard of a cat allergy causing long term issues.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Neither of us know what's going on, so this might just you know, not be able to be a thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And if it's not able to be a thing, then it won't be a thing. Keep having mice or we'll put out more traps. Or maybe both. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can you get one of those hairless ones? Oh, it's the hair that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'd be so dumb. We could get a Peter Bald.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Isn't it the like dandruff or whatever? That's usually the issue.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dander. But they, they apparently have like way less. Yeah. Peter Bald. Let's go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hypo energetic. Apparently you can also give them food which reduces it. So maybe you get one of these and the food.

[Linus Sebastian]

Peterbold.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Look at him. Ah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It'S the saliva, not the hair. Wouldn't that make it easier to deal with it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, because they don't have to lick themselves as much. I think the, the hairless ones. Peter Bald.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know what's going on.

[Linus Sebastian]

They are not truly hypoallergenic because the blah, blah, blah. While their lack of fur can mean less shedding and therefore fewer airborne allergens, a person with a cat allergy can still have a reaction to the proteins in the their saliva. This is all AI Though, so who knows? There are breeds that are supposed to have less.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I like Elijah's plan. Can we give everyone a gun to shoot the mice?

[Linus Sebastian]

This isn't Texas.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's a dang air gun.

[Dan]

It's Canada. What gives them a rifle?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, as long as it's under 495ft per second, sure they're gonna test it. Is it 495? I can't remember. I don't know.

[Dan]

Paintball gun.

[Luke Lafreniere]

K said I'm omega allergic to cats. Will break out in hives. I imagine other people are as well.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's possible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Surprising to me how common that is. It's interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

Apparently allergies, like kind of had like a peak when we were kids and apparently some of them are actually declining now. Like peanut allergies are on the decline now because parents are being encouraged to expose their kids earlier or something. I was reading about that the other day. Pretty wild.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Dude, this is such a crazy fact. Try Lumen in Full Plane Chat said there's no rats in Alberta. Have you seen the rat population map of the world?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it's pretty funny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's nuts.

[Linus Sebastian]

I actually brought that up with Linus Torvalds. His comeback was, oh, even rats don't want to live there. I was like, wow. Damn. Shots fire.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Seems funny. I've seen some of his stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah, he's super funny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, there we go. There's just an Alberta sized hole. Boop. Incredible.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah. Wow. I did have it right. 495 FPS is the below maximum until it's considered a firearm in Canada. Neat.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey, I love this, this, this website that I found cities without rodents in the world. Alberta, Canada.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not a city, but okay. Good try. Solid effort.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh man. Google will allow experienced users to install Android apps that were made by unverified developers. Google is walking back their plan to lock down sideloading on Android. It's good news. In August, the company announced that starting next year, Android use users would only be able to install apps made by verified developers. Now Google is saying that experienced users will still be able to install apps from wherever they want, although it will take a few extra steps and a handful of warnings. Google claims that the idea here is to curb malware without completely shutting the door on Android's openness. The change appears to be a response to heavy pushback from developers, industry groups, and everyday users who just. Just didn't love Google. Deciding what trusted means. Good reason, discussion. Question here is, how do you combat companies just arbitrarily determining what an experienced user is or a trusted app?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because that's the one thing where I said, what does it mean? What are experienced users?

[Linus Sebastian]

Experienced user means that you can navigate some prompts. Basically what I'm imagining, because they've already got warnings. So I'm imagining that maybe you have to do something that's like, kind of hidden, like the tap five times to become a developer or whatever thing I'm imagining right now. Overall, I see this as a positive step, and I'm gonna try not to be pessimistic about it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You gotta get those braces fixed, man. When can you. When can you get it done? How long is it gonna be?

[Linus Sebastian]

What am I supposed to do? What would you have me do?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Get the. Is it just the rubbers? Is it even that? What is going on? What is effect? What is discovered?

[Linus Sebastian]

Do not put rubbers in my mouth.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What is it?

[Linus Sebastian]

At least not unaccompanied.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow. Wow. Who is it?

[Linus Sebastian]

So right now I don't wear those.

[Dan]

It's his dentist.

[Linus Sebastian]

Who case.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wait, you have one that isn't miscolored in the middle of two that are discolored.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I can explain that. I can explain that. So right now they are. I have a stronger bar in the top than I did a week ago. They put like a. A thicker one in. And in order to keep my teeth from separating, like, shifting apart.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

They put what's called a power chain on it. And basically.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know, right? Instead of individual elastics, it's a chain of elastics that holds the bar in place and also keeps the teeth together, so that's across the front. The power chain is not available in all the, like, fun colors that you can put on if you get the individual ones, as far as I know, anyway. Actually didn't ask. I've just been putting on the clear or the white ones up until now. But what's actually causing the discoloration problem? Oh, yeah. So the white ones will discolor, especially with very colorful food. So the issue is that I had nothing but curry for three days, so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which is wild.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, we actually ordered too much and my kids didn't want it. So what I'm gonna do, throw it away? Would you have me waste chicken?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, no, that's what I'm talking about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Especially not now.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I ate all the chicken.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Good.

[Linus Sebastian]

So the chicken was consumed exactly 100%. Success eating the chicken. In addition to that, clear chicken.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

I have this. I have this, like semi permanent wax, like glue kind of thing that they. They paint on top of these brackets and then they cure with a UV light. It seems to be pretty susceptible to curry stain. And that's why this one fell off.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, wait. So it's not the power thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

So that will turn color as well. But I've only had that for a week. So it's actually the glue that's on top. And if I don't wear it, these ceramic brackets, they sit super proud off the tooth. And I don't think. Yeah, I don't. I don't think you'll be able to tell, but you can go for it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, that's rough. Oh, that's really rough.

[Linus Sebastian]

They are ludicrously sharp.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's rough.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, I've had braces before. Yeah, the metal braces.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Those are. You've mentioned that they're proud off the tooth. Those are crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

And so they sit prouder off the tooth. And they are ridiculously sharp. And they're sharp. They have sharp corners and they're ceramic. They're not smooth. They have a kind of a texture.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It feels like they should have been able to solve the sharpness.

[Linus Sebastian]

You would think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's nuts. I'm surprised this isn't like a more widely known issue because I can't imagine how that wouldn't irritate the inside.

[Linus Sebastian]

So as far as I can tell, the company that makes these helps there be positive media about it. But you can find people complaining about how sharp they are. But I didn't Google it. I just was like, oh, yeah, I don't know, 3D printed ceramic and it's faster. Yeah, let's do that one. I strongly regret the choice that I made. The inside of my mouth is always shredded. And these glue things, they'll stay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can't imagine how.

[Linus Sebastian]

It wouldn't be anywhere from a week to like a month and then. But like, my ortho's been pretty good about it. I can go in. I can just drop in. I don't have to make an appointment. I can go in anytime and get them to reapply them. But. But literally, if it meant that my teeth could not look yellow, I don't even care because I'm going to have that glue on my teeth.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I'm gonna Keep eating butter chicken. So go F yourself.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is there. Is there some. Can you discolor it with something else? Because yellow is particularly.

[Linus Sebastian]

Would I look better purple? Like, what are you even getting at here? I should eat beets?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think so. Because, like, in your peripheral view, it's just like a glow of yellow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I saw some comments. So. So there were. There were some new. Some new folks watching the. The Steam Frame and Steam Machine videos. Those were far and away out performers for our channel. So there's been some kind of new viewers coming in or people who haven't been around for a while. And so there was more than you know, with the core audience that watches all the time. Comments on the braces or. And some that. I apparently don't brush my teeth. It's like, no, no, I brush my teeth. In fact, I have to work very hard to brush my teeth because of my stupid orthodontics that are all over them. But it's okay. It'll only be another year.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You want your teeth to be yellow for a year? Dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

No. Yeah, I don't want it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I wonder, like, someone. Someone suggested Kool Aid. Kool Aid to color them a different color.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why would I do that? I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. The green, would that be better? Red? What would you prefer? You pick a pink. Pink teeth would look better.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, that would follow your style.

[Linus Sebastian]

Diseased. Yeah. There's no proper color for teeth except white or a little bit yellow. Those are the only natural colors for teeth. I'm sorry.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's not a little bit yellow, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, the curry was worth it. It was delicious.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's like the yellow in the mountain on your starry night shirt. It's like that yellow. It's. It's not slightly yellow, Actually, I have a bar of yellow. Hold on. It's like, it's like in here.

[Linus Sebastian]

You start. G76. Okay. Outstanding. They use different recipes at some of the locations, so I can't really speak to any of the ones other than that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He just takes a photo standing in front of it, and it's mostly of.

[Linus Sebastian]

Him other than Siri center store. Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's incredible.

[Linus Sebastian]

This guy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's so good.

[Linus Sebastian]

I asked the staff if he's like this in person, and they were like, yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He's just wearing a Gucci jacket in one of them.

[Linus Sebastian]

He is apparently.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wait, he's not in these.

[Linus Sebastian]

He is apparently exactly like this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That sucks.

[Linus Sebastian]

He's exactly like you would imagine. And this is the kind of like, decor they Have. I don't know if they have any pictures of the insides of the restaurants, but like, they always have Mr. Bean playing in this one on the. On the TV. Like the animated Mr. Bean. It's. I don't know, it's super weird, but it's good. Good curry.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's one showing up in Langley City.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm excited.

[Linus Sebastian]

Solid, Solid. Used at G76. Quality.

[Luke Lafreniere]

My favorite Indian food place is gone.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, really? Which one?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Masala. Indian Bistro.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, bummer. Yeah, yeah, my. My old favorite was actually taken over by Ustad G. And I got lucky because it's even better. Used to be called Taste of Punjab, that one. And then Ustad G came in and put some artificial turf up on the walls.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so literally every single time the floatplane team visits, we go to masala. Yeah, AJ's pointing out our tradition. We go to Masala every time because it's like a few of their favorite restaurants, but like, especially Jonathan, but like a few of people's favorite restaurants. And I don't think any of them knew it was permanently closed yet.

[Linus Sebastian]

But yeah, you start G76 maybe.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, we'll have to. We'll have to do something because Masala. I call it Masala, but there's a bunch of. He is a G. It does kind of fit. It does really fit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, how dyed is that facial hair? Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But yeah, it's gone. Aj, if you. If you. If you Google it, it's gone. And it was really highly rated. And I honestly don't know why it's gone. I hope it's for some good reason.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, probably not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Probably not. They had a lot of people there. It was really good. Very good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Speaking of good reasons, Jack Dorsey felt he had a good reason to fund Divine, a Vine reboot that includes Vine's video archive and bans AI content. However, they're going to enforce that. Jack Dorsey is backing Divine, a reboot of vine through his nonprofit and Other Stuff, which is interesting because Twitter owned the old vine before shutting it down in January of 2017. The app was created by Current and Other Stuff and former Twitter employee Evan Henshaw Plath, AKA Rabble, using data previously stored by Archive Team, which is also not the same as the archive.org team. Ravel was able to restore 150 to 200,000 original vines from 60,000 creators who can contact him if they want to take control of their reconstructed accounts. Divine breaks from its short form video brethren by banning AI generated content. It'll use tech from the human rights nonprofit the Guardian project to confirm that a clip was truly captured on a smartphone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Huh.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, okay, I wish them. Does that work really good, anyone?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

Plus, because it's built on nostr, a decentralized protocol favored by Dorsey, and is open source.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm actually starting to think it might be cool. Developers can set up and create their own apps and run their own hosts, relays, and media servers. You know what?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know that suddenly get really cool right at the end?

[Linus Sebastian]

That started pretty. And now I'm open to it. That was really fast. Yeah, I think that's about the fastest I've had my mind changed on something in recent times.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. All right, Dorsey, I'll bite. Not everything you've done has been super duper amazing across the board.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If we want another weird update that's, like, sort of related to this, this page got an update.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dig.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dig got an update. We talked about this a while ago that they were launching Dig again, but now there's like a tagline for it. Humanity at the core, technology at the edges. We're building a human first community platform that places authentic community and connection at the forefront. From day one, I got an invite. I've been too busy to actually sign up for it, but I got an invite for this. So maybe I'll be able to check it out and we can talk about it later.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it's interesting, man, that Reddit has so much inertia.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wouldn't even describe it as momentum. It's more like inertia. It just has this, like, mass that is just. It's. It's impossible to replicate. Yeah. Our discussion question for the vine thing Divine. Is how a short form video evolved since Fine's departure. I mean, honestly, has it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's pretty similar.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I think it's pretty similar.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's gotten less meme and funny and it's a little bit more.

[Linus Sebastian]

Definitely more addictive.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like the. The. The. The masters of it have had a lot more time to master it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude, it's still fascinating. That Lime Vine. Sorry, ever shut down. Fascinating.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Gotta be one of the craziest fumbles ever.

[Linus Sebastian]

Periscope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

What was its value add? I mean, Vine. I mean, I didn't care about vine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But so many people did. Some of the most popular videos on YouTube when Vine was around was Vine Compilations.

[Dan]

It's like part of my personality.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like.

[Dan]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. Like, I have to confess, I didn't really get it. I didn't really care. Didn't care about Short form video. But it's, it's clear that a lot of people did. I mean, I guess the idea was just to migrate those users to Twitter, but then it was never quite the same.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's just, it really captured like when we're talking Silicon Valley and capturing eyeballs, it like really captured eyeballs. I don't know. I don't know if capping people at six seconds is still going to be interesting.

[Dan]

I don't know if that's going to work. That was sort of some of its downfall. It did improve some of the quality because you actually had to construct a narrative in six seconds.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

A lot of people I've heard recently complain about TikTok because you'll. It'll be like a one minute video and they just kind of never get to the point. Yeah, you have to construct something in six seconds. But yeah, how do you monetize it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Catalyst points out they did get rid of that in the, in the. At near the end.

[Dan]

And then. What's the point? It's just tick tock.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But yeah, but tick tock wasn't around, which is, which is my point, which is like vine was freaking huge. I mean, if you look at the people that just because vine died, moved over to YouTube and then became massive YouTubers, they had just smash hit. As much as I might not like all of them, they had smash hit creators online. It was like a cultural phenomenon and they just shut it down wild.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, no one ever said Twitter was a well run company.

[Luke Lafreniere]

At any point.

[Linus Sebastian]

At any point. I mean, that's been. Your stance has been pretty, pretty clear on Twitter being a dumpster fire then and now. So is this really the only useful.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Thing about Twitter is that practically everyone has an account and you can DM people?

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm thinking about just deleting mine though. I think I just might be done.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I still use the DM portion often enough that I don't want to get rid of is still the easiest way for me to reach out to someone that I don't know and get a response. Unless that changes, I don't see myself deleting my account.

[Linus Sebastian]

I use more than Twitter.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but how do you find the person if I don't know the person yet?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, well, I guess I still. Okay, so I have the luxury of still having the corporate Twitter if I really need to, so I could make a connection with that which is, you know, it's verified, whatever that means these days. And it's got a big follower count. So it should, you know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, and to be clear, I like really don't use it that often, but if I'm like this one person that I know of would be like really useful to talk to about this one topic. But I've never actually had a contact with them.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it's totally valid.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Jump on Twitter, find them.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's the same reason I have Facebook, except that's for getting in touch with family in your life.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that exactly. I see no value to Facebook anymore.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, yeah, Marketplace is very inside now.

[Dan]

But for only you. All the rest of us get boring Marketplace and you get all the fun one.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I ruined mine. No, I actually bought some stuff and now it's ruined.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There was someone on Reddit talking about how they were Linus training there.

[Linus Sebastian]

I saw that dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really funny. Crazy that it worked.

[Linus Sebastian]

Immediate results.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So sick, so sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

Training my marketplace.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just shoot an email next time, then you might meet Torvalds here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Here it is. One week update on my marketplace training. Taco Bell, 9ft tall.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Potential uranium glass leg question mark. Spirit S1 LSA shiny plane BMW 5 ton 6 by 6 or BMY. Excuse me. Full tank of gas for a TI84CE plus calculator. Vertical machining centers. Sure. Full size traffic light. Retired plastic jersey barriers. There's so much crazy stuff on Facebook Marketplace. You just have to be brave enough to click it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I love my favorite one was the potential uranium glass question mark. Yeah, I loved that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Who knows what it is? Not me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pay me, pay me B. Tch. Like, what even is this? AI Artist tops country music chart.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Kind of.

[Linus Sebastian]

Kind of?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I hate this title.

[Linus Sebastian]

AI Generated music has routinely been charting over the past month or so, but the track Walk My Walk by Breakin Rust has landed at the top of Billboard's country digital song sales chart with over 3 million streams on spot modify.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which is a ton, but not why it's up there.

[Linus Sebastian]

It should be noted, however, that the digital song sales chart is not a mainstream chart and only required 3,000 sales in order to be topped. Sales are either 150 streams or a purchase from itunes. This means you can easily top the chart with an itunes gift card and some bots. And this is what I was going to add to this topic that I don't see in the comments. But. But a lot of the comments on it are clearly botted.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Definitely.

[Linus Sebastian]

Clearly. And if you're gonna bot comments, why not bot streams?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

As an example, disturbed cover of the Sound of Silence, which is an awful cover, says Adam Sondergaard. I'm not taking a Position on this has been at the top of the alternative digital song sales chart for 400 weeks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's for you.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's. That's wild. It is a few casual. Eight years. Another AI artist, Zanya Monet, has been making headlines after signing a $3 million record deal and her gospel track, let's Go, let's Go, garnering millions of views across platforms.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's not it. That's not the title of the song.

[Linus Sebastian]

What is it? Oh, let go. Let God. Sorry, I. Yep. Yeah, that makes more sense. That doesn't actually make a lot more sense. Or wait, I guess it kind of does. Let go. Let. So it's Jesus take the wheel, which.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is fire, as far as my understanding, is not the lessons you're supposed to take. But I mean, it's been a while, so. I could be wrong.

[Linus Sebastian]

You could be. I wouldn't presume. To.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Me, it's fascinating having a AI artist do religious songs. There's gotta. There's something in there somewhere.

[Linus Sebastian]

Something in there somewhere.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. Discussion questions. Would you go to the concert of a virtual artist? I mean.

[Dan]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

No. Okay, cool. Next question. How is this different from bands like Gorillaz? What about Hatsune Miku, which performs songs written by a community? Well, it's different because humans crafted that, whereas this didn't. Next question. Can there be true artistic intent behind AI music?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Artistic intent.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, well, hold on a second. I could see a poet making an argument that if they human crafted lyrics and then an AI like generated song somethinged them, there was at least some. There was less than. There was more than zero.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dirt Dragon raises a very interesting point.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, hit me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We should make. We should need. We probably won't even need to make it happen. It'll just happen. But if it doesn't just happen, we should make the Riley I'm taking a bathroom album top the charts by botting it. Yeah.

[Dan]

You want to improve AI adoption?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Might as well use it for evil. I mean, good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sometimes they might be the same. Yeah. He just left. Should we do something? There's some topics in here that are not fully planned out, so I won't do those.

[Linus Sebastian]

What do we do?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's not normal to have him just leave randomly.

[Dan]

I mean, does he not want to talk about this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Interesting. I can talk about this other topic. Sony announced a cheaper Japanese language only PS5 exclusive to Japan. And they also revealed a PlayStation monitor. The PlayStation monitor is wild. We'll talk about that in a second. Sony announced a cheaper Japanese. All that kind of stuff. It's the first time they've region locked a console since the PS2 back in the year 2000. Like Nintendo's Japan only Switch 2 model, this special PS5 is Sony's attempt at making the console more affordable domestically. Sony also announced a PlayStation branded gaming monitor. The 2560 by 1440 monitor has an IPS panel and a 240Hz refresh rate. But the 240Hz refresh is only available when hooked up to a PC. Which is what? Very interesting.

[Dan]

What does that mean?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It just runs at 120Hz when connected to PlayStation consoles.

[Linus Sebastian]

Huh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it has a dualsense charging hook. They are publishing their games on Steam and PC now. This is maybe not that weird. The whole industry is getting very strange.

[Dan]

What is happening? It's all topsy turvy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The weirdest out of all of it.

[Dan]

We're getting Xbox on the GameCube.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's like it's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's a weird.

[Dan]

I don't know what's happening.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sony hasn't priced the monitor. They don't quote response times or brightness. And even Sony's quoted HDR capability is. Is vague at best. With PC gamers saying that the monitor doesn't seem like a hugely compelling proposition for PC gaming. Interesting. When we don't even know the price. That's interesting. Discussion Question do you have any memorable experiences with Region Locked products? If yes, tell us your tales. If you don't have any anecdotes. What are your opinions on region locking in general? I don't like Region locking. I am conflicted on the it's cheaper domestically thing. I think it's kind of based even though I'm not going to benefit from it. And then how do you do that while actually making it so that it's cheaper for everyone because they just order the ones in Japan. So I don't know. But in general I think Region locking is. Is kind of bad because it promotes e waste problems. What do you think?

[Dan]

Yeah, I think so. I mean these days it's just kind of strange to Region Lock anything just because.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Extremely unnecessary.

[Dan]

The whole world is super global now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is no longer a thing. No.

[Dan]

No. I mean my. My thought would be taxes, export, that sort of stuff. You know. I know Japan is a little strange in some regards. I mean there's talk of flying to Japan to get like things cheaper than you could just importing them. Which is. Which is very odd.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I wonder if Draw. Sorry, I thought you're done talking.

[Dan]

Go for it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Binky draws. I can't See you.

[Dan]

I was about to say it's really hard. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Binky Draw says is it actually region locked or is it only sold in one region? And I don't technically know, but it says in here region locked, which would make me think it's not just only sold there. Another discussion, discussion question. What comes to mind is your favorite unexpected console branded product or peripherals, the, you know, PlayStation 3D TV, GameCube or Dreamcast keyboard, etc. And I don't think I have one. That's very boring.

[Dan]

What I think is true, very few.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Come to mind because it specifically says unexpected. So I would traditionally say just like Xbox controllers because I like them so much more than PlayStation ones.

[Dan]

What about that KFC thing, was that real?

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's also.

[Dan]

Or is that. No, that's the opposite.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Darn. I'm trying to think of anything. Floatplane chat, do you have anything?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think I have an example.

[Dan]

I don't have have an example at all.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oops. Oh, well. But yeah, that's. That's kind of funky and weird. What is your thought on them making it cheaper in Japan? What do you think about that?

[Dan]

Well, that's kind of. That makes me think that is definitely some sort of like, you know, export thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I feel like if there was a Canadian company and they made it cheaper for Canadians, I would think that was cool.

[Dan]

I'm fine with that. Yeah, I think if they're basically sacrifice sacrificing their like margins locally and putting it up elsewhere, that's, that's fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sacrifice when you kill someone to appease the gods.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it sounds like it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or do you actually kill someone to appease a fake God? Oh, a sacrifice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it could be either. Maybe it's one of those words with two definitions. Did I interrupt only slightly. PlayStation 5 exclusive version in Japan. It's region locked but it's cheaper. Also they released a monitor.

[Linus Sebastian]

Region locks are anti consumer and should always be objected to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's cheaper.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just like naming it the same thing when it's actually a different product. We should always object to that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's cheaper for them. So I think this is their way of making it cheaper for Japanese people.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why is it cheaper for them?

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is fairly normal in if it's.

[Dan]

Only sold in Japan and it's cheaper.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I mean. What do you mean it's cheaper for them? Like for Sony, this region?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, for Japanese people in Japan.

[Dan]

Okay, but you can only use it in Japan or with Japanese games.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The region locked in Correctly. Which I think we are.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it's still anti consumer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

They should just sell it for like more cheaper in Japan if they really want to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But then that's going to get abused immediately. Obviously.

[Linus Sebastian]

But then like if they can afford to sell it for that much then they should just do that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Obviously not how that works. You know that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean even shipping something out of Japan like it would have to be markedly cheaper for it to not make more sense to just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's fair.

[Linus Sebastian]

Buy it somewhere else when it's been shipped in bulk.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Don't know how much the discount is. 5,550 5,000 yen here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's convert that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

USD.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wow, that's really cheap.

[Luke Lafreniere]

355 compared to the. The normal one was. Is this a pro? Is it normal? I think it's normal Digital edition. So it's the non disc normal one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. It's still 350 bucks. Okay. Yeah. People. People would buy them in bulk.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And ship them overseas. All right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm thinking how else could you do this? I don't think you can. I don't like that. There's region locking. I agree. I think it's anti consumer as well. I don't like it. I think it's a bad contributor to things like E waste and just not good things in general.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But I also think it's kind of. You know what they're offering a domestic discount.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'd be okay with it if they committed to unlock it like when it's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Many years down the line.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's cool. I like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think that would be a good compromise. I like that a lot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If the PS6 launches you unlock all of them. Thinking or like a year into the PS6 being around.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. How would you feel about a device that rather than being region locked was cheaper up front but the games were more expensive? What about like a mobile store unlock.

[Dan]

Code if you have it in Japan?

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm just. I'm just chit chatting now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, so this has nothing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. What if they had a 300 PlayStation 5 but every game cost like $20 more. Knowing that most people will buy like between five and a dozen games or whatever so they. They make their money in the longer term. But it's basically it's choose your own adventure on whether you want one that's priced profitably in the the first place with cheaper games or whether you want one that's priced cheaper but you know you're going to pay more for the games. If you still had the option to buy the full price 1. Would you object to them having like a cheaper subsidized game?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think so. If you still had the option. There's definitely people that will buy a console for two games. Yeah, even one game in certain cases. So that was fascinating to me when I first found out that there was like, like people who would play Starcraft and not video games. They would just play StarCraft. There was no other video games that they ever played. I was like, oh wow. And then I started realizing that that was true for a bunch of different games. I just first discovered it was Starcraft.

[Linus Sebastian]

My life for hire. See, I thought they were mercenaries. My life for the long. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That'S fairly reasonable. I. I never like thought about that, but. But yeah, it does kind of sound like higher.

[Linus Sebastian]

I didn't know what Zealot meant, so I just. Yeah, I just thought zealot, I'm pretty.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure is the right way to say it. I'm fairly certain I said z lot.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I 100 did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So many years.

[Linus Sebastian]

100.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So many years. Anyways, I don't think there's much more unpacking of that. I really like the idea of the region lock just being timed though. I think that's really cool. I like that a lot.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's pretty funny that the monitor only runs at its maximum capabilities hooked up to a PC. All right, cool. Well, did you guys already talk through this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, right, cool. We can close that then. What else we got?

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's llamas.

[Dan]

Yeah, there is.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's so much we can do here. A couple rapid fire topics. A group of US lawyers has documented 509 cases of AI misuse in court filings. No notes. That's terrible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's rough.

[Linus Sebastian]

The UK is probing whether Chinese made U tong electric buses on British roads can be remotely disabled. Yeah, so this is bad because Norway discovered that its Chinese made buses can be remotely turned off by the manufacturer. This needs to not be a thing. And not specifically because these buses are made in China, but again because like calling a product the same thing or region locking, it's just bad. When you buy something, you buy from anywhere and you should have easy access to find information about it and you should have the right to use it in whatever the country you want. That's it. I object, your honor. What else we got? Hackers. Speaking of right to repair and right to use things you bought, Hackers are reviving Google's discontinued Nest thermostats with an open source project called no Longer Evil. Yes, amazing name Hard to believe.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Incredible name.

[Linus Sebastian]

Google recently abandoned their Nest thermostats, making them no longer smart because Google moved them to end of life and ripped functionality out of them. They were launched between 2011 and 2014. Cody Kosiemba has personal incentive to revive these thermostats due to prior clashes with Google, but also a possible $15,000 financial incentive from Fulu to bring bricked devices back to life. This is cool. The thermostat believes that it is communicating with the official Nest infrastructure, but instead connects to the no longer evil platform. This approach ensures full compatibility with the device's existing software while breaking free from Google's cloud dependency. The firmware, images and backend API server code will be open sourced soon, allowing the community to audit, improve and self host their own infrastructure. How cool is this? The Firmware upgrade from GitHub is still in the development stage, so the usual precautions apply, but it can be easily integrated into Home Assistant using MQTT or Rest APIs. After applying the firmware, the user will be met with a new greeting now made with 100% less evil. Freaking love it. And our discussion question is should right to repair regulations be updated to include rules that provide immortality for EOL devices? The answer is yes. It needs to be done yesterday. This needs to be dealt with instead of whatever the crap it is that legislators are doing right now. Oh, there's more bad news though. Memory prices are set to skyrocket due to demand from AI data centers. This was prepared by Mr. Pankratz. SanDisk has reportedly raised its NAND flash price contracts by 50% for November. Numerous module makers have paused shipments to reevaluate their quotes. Transcend has suspended quoting and deliveries starting November 7, anticipating this is a, quote, favorable market conditions. This comes as the memory market is being dominated by demand from AI data centers and constrained wafer supply. So this is a really important point for folks that are looking at this going well. Why is DDR4 RAM affected? That's older. Why is gamer memory affected? It's because you still make RAM out of the same wafer, whether it's going into a server or a phone or a laptop or a gaming computer or whatever the case may be. Okay, that's not Quite true. Like DDR4 RAM might actually not necessarily be made on the latest nodes, but still, in general you are constrained by how much fab time there is. So in response to constrained wafer supply. Oh, it's the wafer supply specifically. Okay, so it would be constrained by supply of the actual wafer. So that would affect any manufacturing process. So in response, manufacturers have shifted their production focus away from products like consumer SSDs and DDR4 to more profitable DDR5 and HBM. This is causing a rise in pricing across all memory related products. Here's an interesting memory price Trend page from PC Part Picker. Whoopsie Doodles. Here's the last 18 months. Stable. Stable. Stable. Stable. Stable. Oh no. DDR4. 3600. Stable. Stable. Down, down, down, up, up. Stable. Stable. Stable. Yeah, so this blows. Neat. While customers are left scrambling to adapt, Transcend, Innodis and Apace are reporting revenue increases exceeding 60% year over year for Q3. So bully for them, I suppose. Discussion question is, if you're looking to purchase flash storage or ram, would you aim to buy now or try to wait it out? You could be waiting it out a very long time. AI data center demand won't collapse until the bubble pops. And what is, what is it they say? The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Fun times.

[Linus Sebastian]

In other news, AI powered Russian humanoid robot walks on stage and falls on its face.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sounds about right.

[Linus Sebastian]

I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All the, all the non Russian ones are held up by chains and cables. So I don't know who's doing better.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think that's true. Unitree looks pretty impressive at this point. Here's a video over on. Yeah, Unitry's dope. Here's a video from blue sky.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wow. This is very far behind.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh boy. And oh wow. Oh wow. And there it goes. Oh. Oh. It's funny, you could tell they knew it was screwed.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, you could tell that it's. It's Russian because it had some vodka before it went out on stage.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow. Wow.

[Dan]

Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

The creators accompanying the robot and some crew immediately try to pull the robot off stage and hide broken leftover pieces with a large black cloth. After Aldol, that's the name of the robot, threw itself off a building. Sorry, I mean fell over on the stage. Oh, here's another fun one. This is another kind of rapid fire one. We sponsored a smaller creator.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Rude.

[Linus Sebastian]

You might have heard of them. Oh my God. Ads. Love it. Hey, but this is also a much smaller sponsorship. Watching their ad. Hold on, I gotta find it. I actually don't know where the. Wow, there it is. Hey, you might know this guy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think I've seen him before.

[Linus Sebastian]

I've seen some very interesting speculation that we are like on terrible terms or something with people who leave the team or you know, whatever it is. Our Earnest goal to be on good terms with anyone who departs here. And it is our genuine wish that they continue to be successful outside of lmg. I mean, look at it this way. Let's. Let's assume that I was entirely driven by my own narcissistic ego.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Assume.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's assume that we don't know that, but let's assume it. Would I want someone to have a five year career or ten year career here and not come out with useful skills such that they could be a success? Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It would. It would just speak more well to you if they did.

[Linus Sebastian]

How would that reflect me and this organization? I mean I'm always talking about it. World class team. You know, let's assume the worst possible set of assumptions about me. Even then would I have an interest in people flying free and then falling flat on their face?

[Luke Lafreniere]

If it's worse possible assumptions, then sure. But I'm extrapolating this a little bit too far.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean. Okay. I mean the worst possible reasonable assumptions about my character.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, you added reasonable though.

[Linus Sebastian]

We're. Okay. Well, what assumptions could you make about my character such that I would want Alex and Andy if it's worst possible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Assumptions and I could make anything. You just like hate people and everyone and you want. It's like that quote of like my success means nothing if others do not also fail. Have you heard that before?

[Linus Sebastian]

But, but my success can also be measured by the success of people that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I agree. I agree. You said worst possible.

[Linus Sebastian]

I guess that would be. That would be terrible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's people like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. I mean that's really stupid. Anyway. Yeah. So the, the point is I'm, I'm very, I'm very excited. This is actually not the only move.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

That you guys will, that you guys will see. We've got some, some pretty cool. I don't, I don't want to tea. I don't want to spoil anything because I don't want to take any of the, the wind out of the sails of the people who are going to be, you know, doing their own. Because, because that's, that's the thing. Right. Is they're on their own. They're doing their own thing. Which I'm very pro entrepreneurship. I've always been pro small creators. I've always been pro consumer. I've always been pro entrepreneurship. So I want to see people spread their wings and fly and I want to let them kind of talk about the partnership and their own authentic voice before I go and put any words in their mouth. But this will not be the last. This will not be the last sort of collaboration slash partnership with people who used to be on payroll and no longer are.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It might not be hard to stretch that far considering you did personally go out of your way to make it so. I couldn't meet Linus Torvalds.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you know that Even if only 0.1% of people are stupid enough to believe you right now, that is still 10 people. So you f ed me now. Way to go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But there's also the VOD.

[Linus Sebastian]

You, me, 10 times plus the VOD.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's not enough. I gotta pump those numbers up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Rookie numbers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, man. Yeah, it's cool. I, I think that's awesome. Very cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

People have any questions? Mew asks, is LMG becoming a creator university you get paid to be at? I don't, I don't, I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, we've talked about the worst thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

We've talked about this a fair bit lately. Right. Like, what is my legacy?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. If that happens. But we get, you know, if company hat firmly on if we get good value out of them while they're here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And then if they fly free.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why shouldn't we be happy about that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do leave companies. We have existed for so long at this point.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, 13 years.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And like, if we want to keep existing for say, that amount of time longer, people are going to continue to leave. That's what it is a fact of having companies, basically. There are some people as well that like, they just have it in their veins that they're going to be running their own thing. They're going to be an entrepreneurial at some point.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just born to be an entrepreneur.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

Good. We want them here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. Come hang out for a while, have some, have some drive, grow.

[Linus Sebastian]

They tend to be motivated people.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You're probably going to be here for at least a few years.

[Linus Sebastian]

They tend to be innovators.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We will have definitely gained things as a company from you in that time and then you can fly free if you want.

[Linus Sebastian]

And look, I'm not necessarily stay forever. I'm not necessarily, you know, looking for suggestions for people for us to work with. We, we make a good faith effort to part on good terms with everybody. That doesn't necessarily mean that we succeed every time, you know, and, and a door is never completely shut, almost never completely shut. But we're definitely going to make the call in terms of, you know, who we are interested in partnering with. Right. Because you look at the way that we choose our sponsors. It's going to be the same kind of thing. We're going to just like, we partner with sponsors who we believe have strong character and we hold them accountable in the same way. The people that we're going to partner with in terms of sponsorships, we're going to be, we're going to be selective. And that applies across the board. You know, whether someone's a former employee or whether someone isn't. You can expect to see in general a lot more creator sponsorships coming from us in the, in the coming months. And I'm actually super stoked about it. It's. It's pretty cool to kind of go full circle from being the sponsoree to the sponsor.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's weird.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's super weird.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Very weird. It's weird looking at a video from the other end, if that makes sense.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And like, and like, I don't have to do the negotiations on this stuff myself. Right. But like, obviously, you know, for me to, to kind of just throw the money out there and hope that the end product, you know, and my team is, you know, making sure that everything goes smoothly and, and their link is correct. Like little stupid things that we know we have to deal with on our side and just kind of seeing it from the, from the brand side. It's really weird.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I was trying to scroll through his video to find the sponsorship on my own laptop and I, and I found it and I want to watch this with sound because his intro into it looks funny. But this is extremely unrelated. But he talks about Assetto Corsa. Um. Assetto Corsa? Yeah. They have a new game that's in early access right now called Assetto Corsa Rally that I'm like really hyped for. Have you played it at all?

[Dan]

I haven't. I gotta get my sim rig set up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You have to tell me how this is. Yeah. Because I used to love the Dirt games.

[Dan]

I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

When's the last dirt that came out?

[Dan]

Well, I mean, I'm a Dirt one, Stan. Second one was kind of. Of not as good in my eyes, but having it in, in an Assetto Corsa engine is going to be amazing. I am very, very excited.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's. I read the reviews. There was some comments on it. Like, you know, they don't have the physics dialed yet and stuff like that. So I'm interested in hearing what you have to say.

[Dan]

And this is what I use VR.

[Linus Sebastian]

For all the time.

[Dan]

That's why I kind of like that high end tethered experience.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, dude, this, this is what I meant when I was like, I don't know that I'm really going to regret buying the Big Screen beyond, probably because if I can wear the Big Screen beyond to play this, that's what I want it for.

[Dan]

You know, the, the, the heavy index does get kind of like irritating when you're rapidly shoulder checking.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Dan]

Because I do some eye racing on the side too. And like you're. You're basically like sitting there whipping your head about for three, four hours straight sometimes and it gets exhausting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, sorry. I know that was quite the gear shift, but I'm very. I'm very hyped for that game. I was going to Steam to look for the official page for the new hardware they're launching and that came up first for me and I was like, oh, nice. Anyways, yeah, it's exciting. I like the idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

I gotta check that out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes. Yes. I haven't had a functional computer in a, well, desktop in a very long time, so who knows? But it's. It's cool. I like the idea of working with creators that have worked here in the past. I like the idea of fostering those relationships. I like this concept that, like, if we last for a long time, we might end up building our own kind of like ecosystem of creators around here. I don't know if our own is fair enough to say. But like, we could end up contributing towards an ecosystem of creators around here because, you know, like, there's Metis, but there aren't like a ton in our space, at least creators in the tech technology area. So just like effectively kind of contributing towards that being more of a thing would be pretty cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Canada Tech Creator Valley.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. Sweet. It sounds awesome to me.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't need a new computer. It's my. My apartment is effectively non functional, meaning my computer is like put away right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, I think it's time for Land Show After Dark.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are we done? All the topics? Did we do it?

[Linus Sebastian]

We're done. We did it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right. Heck yeah.

[Dan]

Let's go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I just thought you might read a merch message.

[Dan]

I was making it purple.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He's doing work.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I thought I curated this one. The one thing I couldn't get out of Linus, T was I couldn't get him to say, I'd like to interject for a moment. He didn't like. He didn't think it was funny. I was like, okay. Well, actually I wasn't like, okay. I tried really hard.

[Dan]

I think I overheard some of that. I was getting more and more upset for you.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no. Yes. It was Stallman. But that's exactly what's funny about it. It's Stallman was. The point is I. What I tried to get him to do. I was going to refer to him. I was going to refer to myself as Linus. And I wanted him to say. I'd like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linus is in fact Linux Linus, or as I've taken to calling it. But, like, he was just like, I don't think it's funny. I'm like, okay, I see what you're going.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can understand him not thinking that's funny.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I thought it was very funny, though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I tried. I tried. I. I almost died on that hill.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Fortunately, he didn't just pack his bags and leave.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. It was not worth actually dying on. But I. I can definitely appreciate an effort.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sammy me by, like, not getting the reference. I was like, no, no. People will get the reference. It'll be really funny. And I was like, Sammy would have gotten it to, like, Internet, but he, like, didn't know. I'd like to interject for a moment.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sammy's dialed into brain rot.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ugh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's not the same.

[Linus Sebastian]

Terrible thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It completely me on that one. Okay.

[Dan]

Buying the computer, the commuter bag. For my wife, a soon to be doctor of physical therapy. This will be a good professional backpack.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Dan]

Do either of you have any funny or interesting stories about physical therapists?

[Linus Sebastian]

Physical therapy, humor. Dan, what are you even trying to do right now? Curate this.

[Dan]

You have elbow I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

When I was having crazy knee problems.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Funny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I tried to solve it through physical therapy. I ended up solving it with YouTube videos, which is strange.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I went to multiple physiotherapists. At first, one of them wanted to do needles, but it was like, little ones. Needles you've always correct me on. Because there's like, big ones and little ones and people. I say acupuncture or whatever the other one is, they correct me. Whatever it was. Little needles. They're putting them in my quad. And she ended up, like, sending me away as a client. Like, I will not do this with you anymore. I can maybe do other things with you, but we will not do this. Because she'd put them in my quad and then my quad would go and bend them.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, so you were breaking all her needles?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice. Okay, that's pretty funny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's the best I got.

[Dan]

Didn't they also tell you that you were weird as all hell? Like, very strange. Client. Because you actually did the exercises you were assigned?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah. My current physiotherapist said that basically I had. I don't know what it was. I had problems with my thumbs. I screwed up both of my thumbs, which was kind of weird. And he gave me a bunch of like, how to do little hand push ups and like all these other weird things. And then I came back to him and was like, we're good. Let's work on something else. But like, the thumbs are good. And he was like, what? Which was great. That's cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, well, I have nothing for funny physical therapy stories, but I do have some validation of that merch message that the commuter bag is awesome. I got this from the head robot at dbrand a few minutes ago. Got the CW holiday care package. Genuinely so good. Thanks team. Loved it. I'm gonna out him here. I'm gonna do it. Kept the commuter bag for myself. Tossing my peak design.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, usually companies don't name other companies.

[Linus Sebastian]

Leaked the dm.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sammy did it to me today. Seems fair.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, seems fair. Seems fair. You know what? That is actually like a killer endorsement because, you know, you know what the head robot is like in terms of attention to detail and quality and appearance.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

And you've seen how expensive the head robots stickers are. So surely the head robot could afford any backpack that he or she desired.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So with all of that in mind. Okay, what's Next? Pretty good Q4.

[Dan]

Luke, if you had a nickel for every time you missed out on a gigantic Linux related event, you'd have two nickels. Which one hurts more?

[Luke Lafreniere]

This one?

[Dan]

What was the first one?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't even know what could even compare to this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is the one to end all ones.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm sure I could search my brain vault and find it. I. I vaguely have a memory of that being a thing, but there's too much recency damage that I can't. I can't even.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think the term is recency bias.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, just damage.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry, dude.

[Dan]

Vance is nothing if he's not efficient. Up next. Hi, overly charismatic man. Dan and chicken in sauce pan. These are getting very creative. You've heard of price to performance. Now you're hearing of size to annoyance. What is the small?

[Linus Sebastian]

What is the smallest thing.

[Dan]

Linus excluded, that bothers you most?

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, I like it. That's a good question. That's a quality merch message because it's Linus excluded. I'm gonna go. No, I mean, if I was the Smallest thing that annoyed you the most. It would be good for me to know. I'm gonna go with eating sounds. That is actually my barometer for if I'm in a bad mood. Because sometimes I can't tell. But if someone is chewing a little bit next to me and they don't have their mouth open or anything, but I can just hear eating noises, I get a bit of misophonia. I don't love eating noises at the best of times. Like, my stepdad used to drive me nuts because he would eat cereal with his mouth open. And to be clear, my stepdad is the best stepdad that ever walked the face of the earth.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He's pretty great.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was never treated any differently from his own blood children. And that is something that is maybe not completely unique, but it is pretty darn special for a step parent to have to. To. For. For me to go through. I don't know how many, like, I don't know how many years I lived with them or even before I lived with them. Like, like the second he married my mom, I was his kid. I was his son, and I called him dad. Call my dad dad, too, but whatever. Dad, dad, two dads. Turns out it doesn't F you up that much. It's obviously different context. The point is Sydney broke it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But we have a literal button on the show.

[Linus Sebastian]

The point is he wasn't much of a quiet eater. And so I've always known that it's something that kind of, like, bothered me, but I've outgrown it. I've, like, mostly gotten over it. Except when I'm low blood sugar or I haven't had enough sleep or usually both. I'll be like. I'll realize I'm, like, holding something kind of tight and Yvonne's just, like, sitting there, like, eating something. I'll be like, okay, I need to deal with this because I am about to, like, slap the food out of her hand if. If I don't deal with my mood right now. So that I'd say that's mine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've had the. The eating noises thing as well, but I think a more recent. So like, current one, and I. It feels almost irrational.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, that's the thing, but that's basically what we're being asked.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It drives me insane when someone is there. There are forms of it that are okay, but it's like when it's quiet enough that you're doing this or, yeah, this. But if you. If you're playing stuff on your phone, on speakers, in public, oh, I mean, that's.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's not even a small thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But this has been confusing to me.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a big thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's been confusing me because, like, I was waiting at a train station recently and someone was playing music out of a Bluetooth speaker attached to their backpack. Just walking around.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it drove me nuts.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, that person's just a f. Cking ass.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But then somebody drove by. Somebody drove by in a car that had fairly loud music. That didn't bother me. That's interesting, because that I thought was weird.

[Linus Sebastian]

They both bother me equally.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They don't bother me equally.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, let's go in between. What about someone with their Bluetooth speaker hanging off of their cycle? Their bike. Their bicycle. That's the word I was looking for.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I feel like that would bother me because I feel like I was trying to unpack this and I don't know for the cycle. It'd be interesting to like, have it happen and then try to evaluate. But the car one to me is, it's like, it's theoretically their space and it's leaking out of their space.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. But they very clearly don't need it to be that loud in their space. They're literally damaging their hearing and they're making it your problem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's true. I also wonder, like, if their window was open, would that change it for me or not?

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm not sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. What if they were in their own house, but their music was so loud that you could hear it inside your own house?

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is an interesting one. As a condo dweller, this is the thing that happens and I generally try to respect it because I'm like, you know what? We're all stuck in this big thing together.

[Linus Sebastian]

What if it was detached homes and you could still. You could hear their music clearly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I feel like if it was a event or a movie.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nope. It's just always like every day.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's pretty annoying doing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, we actually.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Then it might change if this is a garage band.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

We had to go confront this back when we were. When Brian the electrician and I were filming the installing AC in my attic thing because it was so loud, we couldn't film from. From a house away. And I actually, I probably still have audio of the interaction somewhere, but basically like, this guy was the biggest piece of garbage ever. Like, as we walked up to the door, the like 2 year old, 2 to 3 year old was about to come bolting out and I like. Like, there's a road and I like, stopped Him. And the first thing he says to me is, don't touch my son. And I'm like, bro, I wouldn't need to if you weren't an utter delinquent.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What a way to start weird conversation. I'm not saying what you said is that I just. The whole scenario.

[Linus Sebastian]

And dude, this house was so loud, like, when the door was opened. We're talking hearing damage for that kid like, crazy. And he's like, I have to have it like this. I'm a dj. I'm like, so you're the world's first DJ that hasn't heard of a pair of headphones. You got to be kidding me, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

They literally have headphones designed.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, this guy's a piece of work.

[Luke Lafreniere]

These actually, like, do it. You can turn the cup wild. Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wild. I. I don't. I don't think I've had much of a dumber conversation with any, like, otherwise seemingly coherent, functional human being. Also, like, man, you are not recreating.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The speaker setup at the club with your home thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

If you can get. If. If you. I actually don't know this because I'm. I don't partake. But. But if you can get high from secondhand marijuana smoke. That kid was probably high. Like, it was intense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay. Well, there you go, man. Brutal. Brutal neighbor.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it has a name. I think it's called Contact High. I'm sure someone in Full Point Chat will correct. No. Okay. Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Something like that.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I feel really bad for the kid, too. Like, I can't feel bad for an adult that is just like an idiot and harms themselves. I just don't really care. That's they're an adult and they. They have agency contact.

[Luke Lafreniere]

High is psycho.

[Linus Sebastian]

Psychosomatic. Oh, apparently it's fake.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Huh?

[Linus Sebastian]

You just think you're high.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Never mind that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. Denrick says we used to call it hot boxing. Yes, it's a contact high. Well, apparently there is some. There is some disagreement about that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm gonna consult the Sands. The Sands, Say yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

What's the Sands?

[Luke Lafreniere]

AI.

[Linus Sebastian]

AI? You gotta be kidding me. Okay, let's move on this guy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was doing it as a joke.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know, I know.

[Dan]

They said washroom. I was looking for this one. I tried bathroom, restroom, all that sort of stuff. Question for Luke. While Linus is in the washroom, probably Gen AI is being compared to the Industrial Revolution. Short term disruption with long term benefits. How much carnage until the good part?

[Linus Sebastian]

So tell me something. The Industrial Revolution benefit. Yes, but to everyone?

[Dan]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or was the benefit massively inequal and is it in fact worse for people who are on the lower rungs of the social ladder than things were before? I'm talking like you're sifting through, you know, the shipped off, you know, cadmium infested remains of technology in some place where they're literally just like burning this stuff to get to the precious metals that are in it. Like the Industrial revolution was highly beneficial to the owner class in the developed world. I'm not convinced that it was necessarily beneficial to every human human being on earth.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's interesting because like you could argue a lot of medicines and stuff wouldn't have been possible really without more advanced technologies that came from things like the.

[Linus Sebastian]

Industrial Revolution 100 and those benefited people, but they sure as heck didn't benefit anyone who's not getting access to them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What you described. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting to more directly address.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh no, I wasn't done.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, keep going.

[Linus Sebastian]

Gen AI, same thing. I think that's what we're going to see. I think we're going to see short term disruption to inequally to people and I think we're going to see long term benefits very inequally to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'd even wager even more unequally possibly. I also think it has an interesting effect. Wendell, Wendell shared me a meme recently that I couldn't agree with more. Not, not directly, you know, whatever. It's still a meme but if it would load. What Discord. Hello? Anyways, it was something along the lines of like if, if the world realized how fast like local AI is getting. Extremely good. Here it is. Yeah, it's a tweet. Apparently if people understood how good local LLMs are getting, the stock market would crash tomorrow. And it was a response to a tweet that said anthropic doesn't want you to know but you can self host LLM like Quinn and use it in Claude code for free. There is an interesting side effect of this where the beneficial part for some people is happening now. It's less applicable to some and it's highly applicable to others others. Locally hosting this stuff is expensive and not the easiest thing for everyone to do but you can also gain access non locally hosted. That was just kind of an aside for actually quite cheap and in a lot of cases completely free and it's enabling this like I don't remember who was talking about it but it's. There are some comparisons you can make to Renaissance knowledge, education, speed of learning and Ability to jump into something from nowhere and get to a fairly competent point has like never really been easier.

[Linus Sebastian]

Flip side. Speed of misinformation and disinformation.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For sure. Like there are, I'm not trying to hide that there are extreme negatives.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm saying that in some cases there are, there are the ability for one person to leverage themselves very highly. I don't think has ever quite been at this level before.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which is, I agree. Which is very, very interesting. And some people are already turning that into like highly positive, beneficial situations. Overall what we're doing is.

[Linus Sebastian]

Enabling the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Surveillance of extreme garbage and slop. Massive amounts of surveillance state. Because self hosting is so expensive that you're probably doing it through some other system which is harvesting every single thing you've ever typed into it, building profiles on you like we've never seen before. Like only wet dreams of early Google. Like there's, there is so much bad, but in almost everything, especially this complicated, there is diamonds in the rough and there are people that are utilizing this stuff to extremely beneficial personal and I mean small, small person degrees.

[Linus Sebastian]

Social mobility is, I guess what you're.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Trying to say, massive amounts of it for specific people who can think of a way to leverage it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For themselves positively.

[Linus Sebastian]

But that doesn't change what I said about the benefits. Highly unequal and all knowing socks says even homeless people have supercomputers in their pockets. The industrial revolution came with new problems, but was overall beneficial. But I think you're missing part of what I was saying. And yeah, a homeless person in the USA is probably in a better position than that same homeless person in Southeast Asia or India. Oh well, yeah. And like the USA is actually a very small portion of the global population. Like I don't know that, I don't know that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He literally did divide it up by like countries.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. People in western countries, I don't think necessarily always remember how in the minority we are in general. Yeah. It's going to be a rough. And frankly all of this, I mean we gotta keep in mind all of this is coming from the perspective of someone who is much less likely to be harmed by any of this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like we're, we're gonna be fine. We're in a position to leverage AI, leverage this revolution, invest capital and benefit from it. Like it's like when I say this is bad, I don't mean bad for me, I just, I mean bad. Like generally it's a yikes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Mulajin, which I hope I said correctly said dude, did I just lose audio. Did you just unplug?

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm sorry, I'm just fidgeting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Said dude, the people in Chile that sort ores in chemical baths for like 20 cents a day, it's absolutely crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. They are not better off than they would have been in like a more Agricultural Society 200 years ago. I pretty much promise you that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's weird, but yeah, there are it man.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm sorry.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is working. There we go.

[Linus Sebastian]

And like the uncontacted people in South America that are getting like mercury poison from illegal gold mines, they're not better off.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That makes sense. Yeah, but I, I, I mean it's, I think it's important to see both ends of it at the same time and can hold both sides of it in your, in your mind. I think you need to, to like have a more accurate perspective on it, I guess. I think you need to recognize the good sides and recognize the bad sides. There are absolutely ways that it has helped. I think the, the modern renaissance version of it is something that shouldn't be ignored even while you can hold and understand the concepts of the negatives that it is also creating.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I mean bots makes a good point. You know, scholarly papers I've seen on global food security show it's way better globally than before the Industrial revolution, as is medicine. And that's fine. But that doesn't change that a generally good thing can still be worse for some people. And that was the entire point was that this is not a universal benefit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like the Industrial Revolution. This is not going to universally elevate people.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There are people's lives who will be worse for it. There are also people's lives who will.

[Linus Sebastian]

Be better for it, and some who where it will be much better. But it does seem like this one, this one steers even farther toward benefiting the haves at the expense of the have nots. And the surveillance one is a huge one that we didn't touch on too much, but is a major element of this. I, I don't know that in another 30, 40, 50 years with autumn autonomous tools for population management and cameras everywhere. I don't know that. I don't know that peasant uprisings will still be possible. I don't know that you'll still be able to overthrow a corrupt dictator. I don't know that it will be possible anymore.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Something makes me want to push forward the indomitable human spirit. I feel like we'd find a way. But I understand what you're saying.

[Linus Sebastian]

I hope so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I still have that hope. There's a lot, there's a lot of, you know, the Gen Z uprisings and stuff. There's a lot of crazy stuff going on right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Big and in a lot of ways good.

[Linus Sebastian]

But there's no, there's no army of, you know, impervious, you know, robot dogs with AI true controlled turrets on them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hacker bros, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hacker bros. Let's hope for the best.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hacker bros. The hacker bros are goaded.

[Linus Sebastian]

But like, how are the North Koreans doing even now?

[Luke Lafreniere]

But that, that has nothing to do.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, they're definitely using population management tools. Guarantee you they're using AI.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's 100% the wealthy pitting us lessers against each other. Yeah, I mean, for sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, it's the cookie thing, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

There are few truer memes than the cookie meme. Big time.

[Linus Sebastian]

How is that not the first cookie meme? Google? Are you trying to hide this from me?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I could, I could see Cookie Monster stuff being shared. Oh, wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. But still, how far do I have to go for this surprise?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It hasn't shown up yet. There we go. Top, top left. I don't know what it says, but this is the meme.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it's basically this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyways, yeah, it's, you know, if you can afford. I'm. Once I get my stupid condo to livable again, I'm planning on trying to figure out local hosting in a big way for, for a wide variety of things, but including local LLM and AI services. I don't really want to use public ones much. Moving forward, I want to shift to that. Largely inspired by Wendell. I was already planning on it, but largely inspired by Wendell. And I would highly encourage all of you to explore it. I understand it can be expensive. There are also much cheaper ways to approach it. Used hardware is obviously a good way to go. The, the, the Mac stuff is very, very interesting and if you can't jump in now, there's always the possibility that these, these big data centers will be updating cards eventually. And what you can run now on that level of hardware will be runnable in the future on that level of hardware. So you might be behind, but you'd have at least what we currently have today at your, at your usage.

[Linus Sebastian]

There was a pretty good little chat message here. Coordinated carry asks, can you name one change with truly universal benefit? I'm going to go with open source. Anyone it harmed had it coming. I just got kind of. I've got Mr. Torvalds on the mic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can, I can Counter that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, counter that hit me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because there's been malware distributed through open source stuff. There has been.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's been ways that was open source that I don't think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But it enabled it. It enabled it.

[Linus Sebastian]

But. Net. Did it make the life of that person who was infected with malware worse? Ooh, that's. That's pretty. Because overall it contributed so much positive to their life too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Have to look through some of the. Some of the cases of open source is a pretty good one. Open source or source available? That is a good question.

[Linus Sebastian]

Walker161 Penicillin. Yeah, penicillin was pretty dope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Malware is not exclusive open source. Never said it was. Not even a little bit. Didn't even sort of say that. I do indeed like both hot dogs and hamburgers.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Insulin. Insulin was pretty good argument. That was us, wasn't it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Canadian.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's go.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're welcome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Based. Based. Based. Based. Did he sell it for a dollar?

[Linus Sebastian]

Something like that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Based.

[Linus Sebastian]

Absolutely based. And yet somehow it still costs a lot of money in some places. Ridiculous.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

In spite of our industrial medicine. Okay, carry on, Dan.

[Dan]

Hey, Big L. Remember when the Internet tried spotting your face in computer case reflections? Back when slick PC kept things secret? Was it all fun or did it ever feel like stalking or doxxing?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's kind of hard to even remember to back.

[Linus Sebastian]

I thought it was pretty fun.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think I thought it was fun.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we both thought.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was pretty fun, I think so. It's genuinely been. I was talking alliance about this the other day. It's been almost half my life because.

[Linus Sebastian]

The whole thing was stupid and didn't matter. Like, the only reason for the. The secrecy was because the original NCIX cameraman didn't and still doesn't want his name out there. And so it started with calling him the cameraman because he didn't want his name used. And then I was like, well, this has become kind of a shtick for the channel.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So now it's just a thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you need a nickname because it's Linus and nickname person who's off camera. And then. But it didn't. It never mattered. It wasn't like Luke asking. It wasn't like the cameraman where Luke cared. So it was just for the memes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I also didn't care that I was being hidden either. Like, I just didn't care.

[Linus Sebastian]

It got kind of dumb eventually, but eventually. Then we changed it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Yeah. And then it was fine. It just didn't really matter. That Much in either direction until it got dumb.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hey, thanks for your purchase.

[Dan]

Hi, dll. In retrospect, do you have components of Floatplane Labs or other development projects you wish you had gone with a commercial product rather than developing on your own? Thanks for the merch.

[Luke Lafreniere]

One of the problems. So I can. I can point at a bunch of stuff on floatplane and be like, yeah, but one of the problems was a lot of them didn't exist at the time. Or they might have existed, but their continued existence was very questionable to the point where we even picked something that we went with that still technically exists, but, like, not really, and we're somewhat locked into it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or the existence seemed solid, but it was very expensive. Or that, like, there was always a reason for doing things the way that we did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. It didn't stay reasonable. Always. And there's some stuff that we will still probably pivot off eventually. There's some stuff that we already have and that'll keep changing over time. But, like, I think the initial decisions made along the path were very reasonable, considering the knowledge we had at the time. I understand that's not the question that you're asking. You're saying in retrospect. But, yeah, at the time the decisions were made, there was usually not an option that made more sense. If we could have snapped our fingers and known that certain systems were going to remain or that certain systems would have had very effective price decreases or whatever. There's a couple changes. It would be pretty sick to actually. I mean, it's been pretty good for a while now, but we went through a lot of trials and tribulations with transcoding. Our current system is pretty dope. Transcoding all the backlogs for the. The Sauce plus stuff, while also transcoding, like, Jeff Geerling's backlog upload, all at kind of, like, the same time and no one noticed. And it was, like, really fast and very parallelized. Was sick. It was very cool to, like, do that sort of on our own.

[Linus Sebastian]

We talked about this, I think, last week, but we have auto generated. AI generated closed captions.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

On automatic or automatic ones on floatplane.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Now we're doing the compute on that. That is Whisper.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry. Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. But we're not. We are doing the. It's running, like, on our stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And like, that's cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes. I like. I like, do. It's. Yeah. Anyways, so. Yeah. I don't know. For the lab, what exactly was the question? Was there something you weren't involved in.

[Linus Sebastian]

A lot of the early decisions wouldn't. So I'm sure he'd do it differently. But that doesn't necessarily mean that Luke sort of made a mistake or whatever, or even that it was a mistake. It's just everyone has a different philosophy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, Dan, hit me.

[Dan]

Hi, LLD. I got to go to IBM's Future of Tape event and Future of Tape.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wow, wow. And see their development.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Eight tracks, but no, tape is.

[Dan]

We're doing nine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Tape is legit.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Don't make fun of tape man.

[Dan]

And see their development lab for physical and virtual tape.

[Linus Sebastian]

Virtual tape hard drives.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Insanely cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Virtual tape.

[Dan]

Would Enterprise tape be interesting enough for an LTD video? I have a guy.

[Linus Sebastian]

We've done some videos on tape. I don't know what more there would be to say other than, yep, here's the new generation tape.

[Sammy]

And.

[Linus Sebastian]

It'S more denser. So we did. We did this a number. Oh my God. That was seven years ago. We got a $5,500 tape drive. And you look so baby. I know, right? And. And this is it. It's Thunderbolt. Go figure. And I think we still have it somewhere. I don't know that it's changed enough that I would have anything new to say about it in the last seven years. It's faster and more denser. But if I'm missing something here, please let me know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Virtual tape is interesting, actually. IBM TS7700 virtual tape library, 4.2 petabytes for high performance workloads. Looks like that. Which is sick. The new IBM TS7780 virtual tape library, the latest in the generation, operates at disk or SSD speeds while maintaining. And this is the part what made it make sense. Compatibility with existing tape operations.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so it's just not tape, but.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It like acts like it. So if you have systems that are expecting tape type operations, it will work.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

46 petabytes of capacity delivered in an easy to use, easy to service, IBM Diamondback Tape. Like library.

[Linus Sebastian]

That thing? No, no, that's the tape one. Huh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is that not what this is talking about?

[Linus Sebastian]

That's the actual tape as well as.

[Luke Lafreniere]

IBM Storage Deep Archive. Ah. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cool. All right. Yeah, neat. Cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've never once used tape stuff. I've always thought it's very fascinating.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's very cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I've said everything I have to say about it, I think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

At some point, I wonder if we should just wipe the channel and start over.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why not?

[Luke Lafreniere]

But I think you should effectively do that in regards to video creation.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like just Remake videos.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think there's a reason to delete your Evergreen, but I do think it is sometimes ridiculous to be like, we can't make a video on that. We've made it before nine years ago. As if, like, that really matters. I don't. I don't think that makes sense. My. And I. I do think we should recreate videos if they're beyond like, a certain time threshold. Because it's all about the. The notification and stuff, right? Like, for. For a lot of people. They're not going to search up a lot of these things. They're looking for you to tell them. And if you don't release a video on it now, you have not told them. I think it's totally reasonable.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'll think about it. Hit me, Dan, L and L. All.

[Dan]

The Steam news resurfaced. The old WAN show episode with the legendary Totalbiscuit as guest headline Topic was OG Steam controller. That Brit is still missed. What was it like having him on?

[Linus Sebastian]

That was fun. Yeah, I. I didn't really know him before that, and we didn't really interact much after that. And that's no longer an option, unfortunately. But yeah, he was definitely, definitely a. I'd say one of our more outstanding guests.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What was it like having him? Oh, it's. Sorry, dyslexia. On to out. And I was like, he didn't come up here. My bad.

[Dan]

Also, we're what looks like 25 videos away from 7,000.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's dumb. That's a good time to quit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's. No, that's too many. It's becoming a funky thing where Dan's trying to figure out API calls and analytics and we want to, like, call analytics from all our videos. That's a lot of API calls. So we're like, smashing into the quota cap and we're talking to YouTube.

[Dan]

Be like, we have across our channels 13,216 videos.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, just pull analytics on that all the time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Too many. Time to quit.

[Dan]

I pull every two hours. So that's 160,000 API calls a day.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. Am I allowed to quit once I get to over 9000 on the LTT channel?

[Dan]

ISO9001 delete channel.

[Linus Sebastian]

Then is my. Is my power level high enough?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I feel like you can take a sabbatical.

[Linus Sebastian]

I could take a sabbatical. I've earned that at that point. Okay, I'll keep that in mind.

[Dan]

Hi, LGS llndb. How important is digital hygiene for you? Starting with deleting old items from downloads, folders and continuing with removing unnecessary test policies as IT admins.

[Linus Sebastian]

If it's something I use frequently. Very important to me. Like, my desktop is clean, I think. Hold on, let me check.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You probably just don't show it, right? Desktop hide. No, you do show it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, no, it's nasty. It's not clean.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. That's not nasty. I've seen a lot worse.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I have. Look at that. I have, like, icons there, and they're not even like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It is less than what I would have expected from you.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know what? I haven't been using this laptop for that long. My desktop at home, though, like, my. My desktop.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I would expect that to be very clear.

[Linus Sebastian]

Immaculate.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Immaculate, yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

And like, I don't care about my downloads folder because sometimes it can be convenient to grab something that I downloaded before.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Also don't care about my downloads folder.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it's like one of the only spots my media folders.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Very clean.

[Linus Sebastian]

Adhere to standard naming conventions. I use File bot, I think is what it's called to, like, make sure that it's all right and stuff. So, yeah, it just depends. It depends how often I use it. If I don't use it very often. Like, oh, my God. Like, I still had my yubikey active as a 2fa, even though I hadn't used it in, like 9 years or something like that until Vance finally removed it like two weeks ago after I was like, talking about how ridiculous it was on land Show.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yubikey bio is really cool. Someone link that to me?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yubiki bio?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

You want to look at it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I didn't know they did this. I think it's pretty sick. It's expensive. It's cool, though.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Jeez, it's like 130 bucks each.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. Whatever. Sure, fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Bio authenticated.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pretty sick. Makes sense. Not surprised they went that route. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Kind of makes more sense than the other one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Here's the thing. I have and I'm me. Boom.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right. What's up, Linus?

[Dan]

Last week you said no is lame. Yes. And but is cooler. What's the best no you've given out.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. I would have said Christmas album, but I finally caved last week.

[Dan]

No, you caved to a new Christmas album. You still said no to the old Christmas album.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's true.

[Dan]

It doesn't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I didn't. No, I didn't. He said yes and only if Riley does a cooler one. And only if that one is only a digital download.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. So, yeah. I tried to find a way eventually.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so what if I said no about. I mean, what am I a no one?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, you. Yes. Handed me on that one, but I didn't like it. I want to make a labs channel, but I have been told no because I need a content schedule for it and I'm currently refusing to do that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay. I think those are both reasonable things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I actually say no content schedule for the labs channel is reasonable. I don't know if it makes sense. I understand that makes it difficult to sell for. I totally understand.

[Linus Sebastian]

And if we don't sell for it, it will not make money.

[Luke Lafreniere]

My thing is right now we're just making articles which are awesome, but we can just turn the articles into videos and. No, they're not. Not every article is like LTT quality, which is fine and never been the goal.

[Linus Sebastian]

And to be clear, we're not saying it's not quality. I mean depth, sure, it's more or.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Clickability or whatever, however you want to call it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just. I thought quality was not the right word. I think they're really good. Quality.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, totally. Okay, quality is incorrect word. But we're not going to get a million views on the 40 watt dynamic power adapter and iPhone 17 charging article. I think it's sick though, and I actually think a lot more people should know about it because it's a cool. It's a cool. It's very cool article. The conclusion taught me things. I liked it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think I'm actually the one who said no anyway. Or yes. And.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You might be right. I think. I think I. I think I.

[Linus Sebastian]

So if you're trying to do an end around right now. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not getting involved.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, no, I'm not.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Dan]

Linus Town.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's been a while since I asked. I think I have asked.

[Linus Sebastian]

Linus Town. I'm not saying no. I'm saying it's stupid.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so what's the and the and.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is I don't have the money for it yet. I don't actually have unlimited money. This may surprise.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sounds like we're gonna get there.

[Linus Sebastian]

Given the way that I think buying fire trucks, like how many kidneys do you have?

[Dan]

You have children?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We just got to get you to that beyond 9,000 videos and we'll get there.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, I wouldn't even want to live in the town. That's the real problem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think it's necessary.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's stupid.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nope.

[Linus Sebastian]

How can I run A cult if I'm not actually there?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You just need a really, really tall tower. The town. How does Gaban run steam from a valve. Sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

From a yacht.

[Dan]

He gets it. See, there's the yes. And we get him a yacht.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You're not giving a proper. And you're not playing by your own rules.

[Dan]

Well, we just discovered that he would do it if there was a yacht. So now we have the. And let's move on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, cultists, if you will be responsible for raising the money to purchase the town, and I will do nothing but reap benefits from it, then yes, Linus. Town approved.

[Dan]

Now he's thinking like a cult leader. I like this. Good job.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, up next, move to Taiwan.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ah, that wasn't. No, that was I don't want to and therefore no.

[Dan]

That sounds like a pretty cool no, though. Uproot your entire life.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Dan]

Good idea, but no.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think. I think I understand what you're trying to do with this whole don't say no, say yes and thing, but it's also like, extremely toxic at certain times.

[Linus Sebastian]

I heard back from the head robot. Leaked the dm. Well earned. So we've got. I've got approval.

[Dan]

That's so cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Retroactive approval. I know.

[Dan]

How are they so cool?

[Linus Sebastian]

In general, you want to be an enabler who enables the people around you. That's all I'm trying to get across.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know it's not a blanket point. I understand your point. But just like when people say everyone, you jump after them because you're like, not actually everyone. It's the same thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

In general, you want to be an enabler, not like Megan Kelly. Don't enable that. All right, well, there's a fairly recent controversy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know who.

[Linus Sebastian]

Don't worry about it. Do worry about it. Actually do worry about this. Okay. Dan, hit me.

[Dan]

Sure. Hey, lld, Linus or Slick. If enough floaters wanted a VR version of floatplane, would you do it?

[Linus Sebastian]

What would a VR version of floatplane be? Wouldn't it just be watching videos in a browser in your VR headset?

[Dan]

I think you have it already.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, I played floatplane in the Apple Vision Pro, but I think what they're meaning is like. Like 360 video. No, you can turn your head. It's a dead meme. Yeah, it is.

[Linus Sebastian]

For sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A dead meme. Yeah, definitely not enough people want it. And we're. Hey, we're doing. We're doing what we can to give people what they do want right now. Okay? We're focused on that. All right. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Yeah. That's a. That's a no, actually. That's a no. And here's the reasons. The reasons are that. That you care and no one else. And I'm sorry that it has to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Be like that, but the question was if enough did. You're not being very. Yes. And right now, Linus, if enough.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did we do it? Of course.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There you go. Yeah, they definitely don't, though, and never will. So there's that. There's that caveat.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. I don't. Who do you think will be in the NHL? Play a Calgary Flames fan? ATP 2? I don't know what any of that means.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Me neither.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is that a gambling thing?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe.

[Linus Sebastian]

Play a.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is that a thing? Do they need playoffs?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay.

[Dan]

Well, up next.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Play Alberta. Play a. It's. It sounds like it's gambling.

[Dan]

Maybe Disney, Lucasfilm and Moomoo. Linus, did you ever see the live action how to Train youn Dragon? Will you visit the theme park in Florida? I proposed to girlfriend in front of Toothless there a few weeks ago. She counter proposed.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'll go to the theme park. I made it about 30% of the way through the live action how to Train youn Dragon. The original animated film is perfect, and the live action one is like a weird funhouse mirror reflection of perfect. They did stay very true to it. And if it brings a new generation of people into, you know, thinking how to train your dragon and the sort of general message behind it of seeing past our differences even though we're enemies and all of that kind of cool stuff, I think it's a really cool story. You know, if it does that, then that's great. I am a fan, but I didn't personally have any use for it because the original was already a perfect film. My award.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, what is this exactly?

[Linus Sebastian]

I've received an award. He's. He doesn't. He's talking, but he doesn't. He's not talking into a mic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So is it another bilibili plaque? That's my guess. I'm throwing a guess out there. That's my guess.

[Linus Sebastian]

You're throwing a guess. A bilibili plaque. No, we already have a silver and a gold.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm getting an award. Well, I mean, Luke doesn't need to be here for this then.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, if you go in your camera, they might be able to see it better.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm just memeing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

They can see it after. What is this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Actually? What Is it.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a Linus Media Group. What is this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

What? Yeah, what?

[Linus Sebastian]

Linus Media Group Brand impact Award for. Hold on. What is that? For outstanding influence Amplifying GLI nets Worldwide presence. Oh, no, I did know about this. They invited us to an event and to present it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

I said, regrettably, we can't make it. We did that. We did that sponsored video with them recently.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, they make cool stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Upgrading Natalie's house cool. I didn't know that. I get an award for doing a sponsored video. You know, they know they already paid me, right, for the sponsored video.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, getting award is also cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, I don't. I don't mind.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Honestly, I think you should give me an award every time you pay me.

[Linus Sebastian]

You want me to give you an award every time? No, no, wait. Every time I pay you? Yeah. I'd also have to give you an award. No, wait. Yes. And if you. Hold on. I'm thinking. See, I was going to say something like if you went sort of beyond the call of duty, but he really does. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Get wrecked.

[Linus Sebastian]

He's great. How can I justify not giving him an award every time I pay him? Huh? Maybe I should. I'll tell you what. Here's what it'll be. It'll be in the form of a monthly paper. No, a monthly budget on lttstore.com and occasional random lttstore.com things. That's. That's how we'll do it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Conveniently, we already do that. So.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Isn't a yearly budget.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, but it could be broken up by 12. Being on WAN show, you also end up with a lot of extras.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I do. I have no complaints. You know, there is a company that you and I both visited recently that I figured out what their merch budget is.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is it good?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's definitely lower than ours.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, really?

[Dan]

Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh. Is this company does. How do we not name them?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, and like, I don't think we would ever name this.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I don't think we should name them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

But yeah, that. You know, we actually have a pretty generous merch budget.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I realized that we actually do try.

[Linus Sebastian]

To not be a sh. Tty place to work.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Told them ours while we were having that conversation and they were like, whoa. And I didn't tell them the host one because the host one's higher. It has to be because you're going to need stuff that you have when you're on camera. Like, it just. It has to be higher. It makes sense. I told them the, like Normal one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Anyways, we had this as a bit of a topic earlier. Hello, lld. With the current RAM prices rising due to AI demand, do you think now is a good time to upgrade? What are the long term effects of AI infrastructure on consumer grade hardware prices?

[Linus Sebastian]

Long term will be okay. If anything, it'll drive it down because they're going to build up massive capacity and the bubble will at the very least deflate, probably burst.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And the used market traditionally has actually benefited from large infrastructure expenditure.

[Linus Sebastian]

As for now being a good time to upgrade, probably, I don't. I think it's going to get worse before it gets better. But that's not financial. Financial advice.

[Dan]

Hey Luke, sharing the love of all things NASA. Have you ever seen a launch in person? I also for a short time got to work with NASA. Huntsville vendor customer relationship.

[Linus Sebastian]

When did you get to see a launch in person?

[Luke Lafreniere]

One time.

[Linus Sebastian]

I thought you missed it on like a thing recently. I thought this was like another sore point.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There was a really cool one that I missed.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, that's what I was thinking.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This was a really, really random one. But when A.J. and I were down there for the threat locker conference.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, so this is recent then.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

We.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We took off to. To go check out NASA and as we were pulling up there was one. I was like checking my news the whole time because you know, there would only be specific times that we could go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And we thought we had missed it because we thought it had gone like the night before, I think, think. But there was some delay and it made it happen that day. And then we couldn't go right away because we were doing stuff. But by the time we could go, we were like rolling up into the parking lot like when it was happening. And we ran to this like corner where we could see it. So we hadn't even entered yet.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We were. And we technically walked into the employee parking lot. Well, just confidently and got to a. Got to a corner. Sorry. Got to a corner where we.

[Linus Sebastian]

Quality NASA security. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And we actually got like a pretty decent vantage point. We ended up seeing like where a lot of people would watch it from the actual like kind of park thing that they have. And our spot was like actually pretty solid. I'm really hoping to see one of the Artemis launches eventually. Starship would be really cool. Sometimes this was just more of like a fairly small, somewhat routine thing that just happened to be going off the day. The amount of rockets they're launching like all the time now is pretty wild. So. Yeah. But then we promptly exited the I believe employee only parking area and entered the park properly and then had a good time. That's great.

[Dan]

Hi lld Never knew I needed a hackable arch based VR headset until Valve announced one. Any cool ideas considering you could almost certainly do anything with it. Also did it have a desktop mode?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't believe anything would prevent you from running desktop mode on it on a giant screen. For me I think the biggest, the biggest use case this unlocks for me for VR is travel with my laptop. I am like stoked to play full fat PC VR games with a laptop with an eGpu and my VR headset that all packs into like my commuter bag. That's crazy. Absolutely wild.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I really enjoy the idea of this thing being portable. That's yeah, I'm for sure getting one. Basically kind of depends on price I guess.

[Linus Sebastian]

And we both intending on it. We both know the quest lineup exists but I don't think either of us has ever felt particularly compelled to go meta for our VR needs.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have been fairly strongly turned off from that. Yeah.

[Dan]

What was the product your own or third party that you knew about early that you found the hardest to keep secret?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, oh man. There's oh man, the hardest to keep secret.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't actually find out about third party stuff that early and I don't keep secrets very well for our own developments.

[Dan]

Like I think that's part part of the marketing strategy at this point.

[Linus Sebastian]

Probably the one that I struggled the most on was our battery bank which we have alluded to but not really talked about much yet. But it's been in development for I think over two years now and for a long time I really didn't talk about it because the, the product itself was not particularly well defined. Like we had you know, an idea of what we wanted to try to achieve and we've achieved a lot of that but not all of it. And so we wanted to make sure that we weren't setting people's expectations too high. It's getting pretty close to the point where I can start talking about it in more detail. But yeah, I'd say holding back a ton of that has been really challenging. Yes, we're getting triple C.

[Dan]

You mentioned on last wan show that Google killed the nest and a project was started. I created it and open sourced it. Appreciate the shout out. Also Google was still sending logs from those devices.

[Linus Sebastian]

Shout out Cody K. Absolutely sick. Assuming you are actually the person who did it and you're not just taking credit which probably you can probably you're honest but super cool. And, yeah, that. Why does that not surprise me at all? Like, I. Yeah. Shocked. Shocked, I say. Well, actually not that shocked. Like, it's. You shut off my functionality, but yes. Still want my data. Really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's so cool. If this person's the person who did that. That's so sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

Enjoy your RGB sweater.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Hell yeah.

[Dan]

For both hosts. For your main gaming rig, are you Team Red or Team Blue for proc. And white?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, yeah, obviously.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Been red for a while.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. Better red than dead. Better dead than red. I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's rough over there right now, man. I hope they figure it out.

[Linus Sebastian]

I hope so, too. A strong intel is good for the industry.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Last one I got for you tonight. Sup, lld. I love your zipper hoodies. So I'd never pass up the red WAN hoodie.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sick.

[Dan]

But I was a big fan of orange. Hope to see that again one day. Also, what happened to the pajama pants? They work great.

[Linus Sebastian]

They didn't sell that well. I love them too. I love my LTT pajama pants. I only got one pair and I wish I had more. I don't know that we will do. I don't know that we'll do an orange. The red is selling really well. And after many long, sometimes surprisingly intense conversations, like, we have passionate people here, and they can be passionate about everything. Design, color, you know, fit materials. Right. Like, the reason our products are good is because people care. But when people care, you can have strong opinions and you can have clashes. And it's not like we have, like, a. The kind of culture where people would, like, yell at each other, be mean to each other or whatever. But I've had some. Some very opinionated conversations with particularly Bridget, who's head of fashion. And, you know, she felt very strongly that having some red and some orange WAN products was really confusing. And so we debated whether we should even be able to launch a red WAN hoodie when we still have an orange WAN backpack, for instance. And she made very good points about how that kind of confuses what WAN branding means. And I made very good points about how, oh, my God, we can't hope to sell out all of the desk pads and all of the backpacks and all of the everything. Before we can, like, launch one product, we want to get it out there and find out if people are going to even receive this red thing at all or if we're going to have to go back to orange anyway. And then we wiped out all of our inventory for nothing. And Then made a big bet on red. Everything for nothing. So everyone had really good points. And what we settled on was, okay, I agree with you that it needs to not be confusing. You're 100% right. But the business needs us to test this before we can commit full hog. And I think at this point she's one that red works and it's time to go full hog. And once we do that, then I think she's right that wan can't just be random colors. It has to mean something. And now I think it's going to mean red and gray and black. What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Chat has a very interesting point. A lot of people in chat have a very interesting point. Does wan have an after dark sub brand?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I think our monochrome brand is still stealth. We haven't used it much purple lately. Oh, interesting. I could be open to that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's a genuinely, really interesting idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

The after dark hoodie. I could get it.

[Dan]

I could.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I could get behind that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That. It's just interesting that we can throw purple into the brand mix very logically.

[Linus Sebastian]

Short circuit has it too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Short circuit is predominantly purple, isn't it? It's a mix, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it's got. It's got a variety of.

[Dan]

Short circuit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I like that Dan just said short circuit. Nothing else.

[Dan]

I mean, they're purple.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

They are their main color.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So their main color is purple. They do. They're like a bunch of stuff, though. Orange, pink, purple, white, teal, dark blue, yellow.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right. After dark hoodie.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I feel like an after dark hoodie might actually be really sick. Just saying. After dark pants too.

[Dan]

Assless chaps.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What. What pants do we have right now that could be after dark.

[Linus Sebastian]

Scheduled for Monday morning? Pants and.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Excuse me. Sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

With that, I think it's time to say good night and have a wonderful weekend. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time? Same bad sh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Panel. Almost five hours.

[Linus Sebastian]

Bye. That's crazy. That was not.