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Linus Sebastian
Psst. Your payments are showing, but with Apple Cash, your payments are private by design. There are no public feeds. Send and receive money privately in messages or with tap to Cash. Switch to Apple Cash. Apple Cash. Services are provided by Green bank member fdic. What's up, everybody, and welcome to the WAN Show. We've got a great show lined up for you guys. Apple really, really wants you to see F1, the movie. So much so that they would become everything they sought to destroy. What was the title today? I don't even. Oh, yeah, right, right. The whole. How is this so controversy? Stop Killing Games.
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Luke Lafreniere
Controversial.
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Linus Sebastian
Yeah. You know. How is this so controversy? Stop Killing Games. Well, we'll get to that, but Stop Killing Games is a thing. Maybe. Or maybe it won't be. Or maybe it is.
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Luke Lafreniere
What, an intro to a topic.
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Linus Sebastian
It's not intro to a topic, it's an intro to the show.
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Luke Lafreniere
Right.
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Linus Sebastian
We'd hate to misrepresent this and have people who are just tuning in for the first time think that this is a hinged show.
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Luke Lafreniere
Aha. Yes. Correct.
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Linus Sebastian
No hinges.
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Luke Lafreniere
Speaking of hinged, Microsoft, I'm removing this. Oh, oh.
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Linus Sebastian
From our laptop partner, Dell.
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Dan
You can't. It's too well built.
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Luke Lafreniere
Microsoft adds free option to Windows 10 to extend security Updates program. Why does it say free? It's definitely not free, isn't it?
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Linus Sebastian
You're free.
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Luke Lafreniere
What? We'll talk about that later. Cloudflare is changing the rules of the Internet. Changing the rules for the better.
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Linus Sebastian
That's right. Are they changing Rule 34? Probably not. The show is brought to you today by Delete Me, zero Bounce and amd and of course, our rap partner, dbrand, our chair partner, Secret Lab, and Dell already got a shout out. They had enough.
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Luke Lafreniere
They did. They did. I was showing the logo Stop Killing.
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Dan
Games the wrong way.
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Luke Lafreniere
So I was trying to do it right.
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Linus Sebastian
Stop Killing Games. Did it. But don't stop now. Unless what you want to stop is Stop Killing games.
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Luke Lafreniere
You sound like a town crier.
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Linus Sebastian
I am the crier. I was on Two and a Half Men, you know. My name's John.
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Luke Lafreniere
What?
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Linus Sebastian
The actor's name. John Crier.
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Luke Lafreniere
Oh, wow. All right.
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Linus Sebastian
Stop Killing Games. The initiative to save games from dying at the hands of their makers. Because usually developers stop making money on it. And they're like, we architected this to only work if our servers are online, and now they're not. So I guess it's too bad. See you later. It has crossed the 1 million signatures it needed to get the attention of the EU Commission, which gives it A much higher chance to pass a law which could force developers to sunset their games properly. Now, Luke and I have given our thoughts on what proper sun setting of games would look like numerous times and.
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Luke Lafreniere
Some really good examples.
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Linus Sebastian
We've also given some examples of how in some cases it might not actually work that great. It could be quite challenging whether it's around third party licensing of say for example music or other media that's included in the game, or whether it's around IP that is used across multiple, multiple products that could potentially harm the security of those other products. Or you know, there are potential reasons that just, you know, putting out the source code of a particular game or putting the servers into the hands of the players might be really challenging. But that's what Stop Killing Games is seeking to change is to make them architect these games from the ground up to comply with their obligation to make the game available after they no longer wish to support it, whether that is in the hands of another entity or the gamers themselves. Anyway, the petition is not over. They want as many signatures as possible because the more signatures they get, the better they can show interest in the movement. And it will also help in case some signatures are invalid for, for whatever reason. Given that this has gotten global attention, I don't doubt that a significant portion of those 1 million signatures are probably not from the EU.
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Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, there's, there's a big push for, for questioning. Not only may they not be from the eu, but there's some questioning of if it was like boded to go higher with the intention of hoping that people would slow down once it passed its mark. So there's, there's a lot of questions.
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Linus Sebastian
Going on in other news because they have no sense of, I don't know, irony. EA has announced that Anthem's servers will be shutting down on 1-12-2026 and that the game will be removed from EA play on August 15, 2025. Man, there was some other terrible games industry news, but I guess none of it had to do with games that were actually released. You see, Microsoft killed a whole bun Jobs again.
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Luke Lafreniere
No I didn't.
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Linus Sebastian
Yeah, including some games that apparently were so promising that like Microsoft executives had to have the controllers like taken out of their hands when they were play testing it like and now it's dead anyway. So if you're from the EU, head over to stop killing games.com and sign the petition because while this only affects the EU ruling, it is quite possible, nay probable that it will have a larger impact outside of the EU as well. Because if they already have to do all of the work to architect their game so that it could be tied up into a nice little bow and then handed off once they no longer feel like supporting it, then I pretty much guarantee you that that would have a positive impact for players in other countries as well, other continents.
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Dan
Excuse me, sorry, sorry.
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Linus Sebastian
EU is not a country. There's also a UK specific version of the petition on the same site if you scroll down a bit. This has also reached the 100,000 signatures needed, but couldn't always use. So our discussion question here is can you brainstorm the ideal sunsetting plan that developers could do to keep games alive forever? Is it leaving their servers up and running? Is it making it open source? What's the ideal? And I know my answer, but I want to hear your answer.
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Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, I don't think leaving their servers up forever is going to function. It's not going to work.
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Linus Sebastian
No, that's not going to work. You can't, you can't just legislate companies losing money because eventually mints on things.
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Luke Lafreniere
That are losing money.
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Linus Sebastian
Yeah, that's, that's not going to work. But that doesn't mean that this is impossible or an unreasonable expectation for products that we buy. Right? Like these aren't products that are even sold to us necessarily as, as a, as a subscription service. I mean they treat them like one. But these are products that in many cases we, we buy. It's like a one time transaction and you can bury terms in your end user license agreement that make it so that you know you're only obligated to leave it up as long as you feel like it. But I think there is a certain expectation that when I give you a one time payment for something, say one lime, that that is now your lime and that I don't have a remote lime kill switch that will just take your lime and get it out of here. Right. Like that is not what our expectation would be. I think under normal circumstances.
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Luke Lafreniere
I have pirated the lime.
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Linus Sebastian
Nice open source lime. I like it. I'll just put that back.
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Luke Lafreniere
You whacked the tv. Well, it still looks like it.
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Linus Sebastian
You'll never prove it. You'll never prove it. The camera didn't see anything.
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Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, I don't know, it's a little tough for some games. I don't necessarily think it's completely unsolvable because the stance that we've had, I don't know if this perfect honestly. I'm not super on top of the stop killing game stuff. So I don't know if this perfectly aligns with theirs, but the stance that we've had is that you should at least give the community a chance to do it.
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Linus Sebastian
Yeah, I'd say my ideal execution of this is Forged Alliance Forever. Yeah, Supreme Commander was a super cool game that I really enjoyed. I think, I forget, I forget who went down first, Gas powered games or thq. But ultimately what happened is there was some complexity around any kind of transfer of the ip. There was some drama that went down around. I think it was, was it GAS powered games that went down first? You know what, I really don't remember. So it doesn't matter. The point is either the publisher or the developer went bye bye. And what they ultimately arrived on was leaving the matchmaking and custom map hosting and community chat and all of these features leaving them in the hands of the community that wanted to maintain the game and be stewards of the game. Meaning that even though it has been like 10 plus years now since that game was no longer actively supported by the developer, you can still still play it online. You can play custom maps, there's all kinds of cool mods that you can apply. So they have their own like mod workshop that's built within the FA Forever. So Forged alliance was the, the expansion to Supreme Commander. So it's Forged Alliance Forever. So within the Forged Alliance Forever launcher it handles automatic updates. It's a little janky sure, but, but.
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Luke Lafreniere
In a way that's honestly like I'm completely fine. It's kind of cool. It reminds me of old, old style.
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Linus Sebastian
Computing, but it's alive. It's freaking alive. And the best part is the IP holders still get to profit from it. So you have to buy. They've worked out a system where you have to authenticate with the, with the Forged Alliance Forever server that you have to give it access to your Steam library and prove that you own a copy of Supreme Commander or Forged alliance also think is fine, which I think is total fine.
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Luke Lafreniere
I mean if the, if the company is willing to hand all these reins over in the way that they did, then I think it's, it's okay. Ideally they put it at a price that's like not. Yeah.
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Linus Sebastian
And it's, I think it's pretty reasonable these days. But the point is just that this is a way that the players continue to win by being allowed to play the game. And the publisher and or developer, depending on whatever their revenue split looks like, gets to continue to win by occasionally selling the game here and there's. That's freaking awesome. You can buy it for $2.79 right now. That is US$2. It's, it's a great game. It actually has legitimately a pretty decent campaign. Like it's an RTS campaign. So you know how it goes. You do each level and you unlock some more of the tech tree and you kill all the bad guys or whatever. And I would say that the online can be a little daunting to get into because you'll finish that campaign and think you're a supreme commander God and then you'll jump in online and get absolutely curb stomp.
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Luke Lafreniere
The skill ramp is insane.
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Linus Sebastian
But it has a really great built in replay function that allows you to watch back at any speed you want and it's really quick to go through replays. People from my experience have been very friendly and willing to discuss strategy. So once you get a handle on some of the strats, QD seems great. It's pretty fun. If you like a deep, if you like a deep RTS and it has the best, the best top down interface that has ever existed for a game. I will stand behind that. The strategic zoom is outstanding.
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Luke Lafreniere
It's very easy to get around the.
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Linus Sebastian
Map with the mouse wheel. You basically, you don't. You don't move the cursor to the edge of the screen and pan. That's like dinosaur technology. So you just use the mouse wheel and, and kind of like zooming in on an image in like an image editor. You just kind of like zoom out and then zoom in. It's like. And then you can actually turn. So you can turn your viewport into like a super zoomed in look at what something is doing. You can like you could go to one of your factories and see the unit that's being like 3D printed on the bed and then you can zoom all the way out. So your whole monitor is just a big mini map.
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Dan
Like a, like a you know a.
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Linus Sebastian
Not mini map but you know. Anyway the point is there's icons for little. Just little icons representing all the units and you can see like a whole strategic view of the entire battlefield. It even supports multi monitor. It did back in the day. Anyway. So you could have like your, your giant mini map on one monitor and then your gameplay view on, on another monitor. It was like freaking awesome. Maximap says when Bingo Chronified. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Apparently Factorio has something similar strategic zoom, dude. Huge innovation in that game. Absolutely love it.
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Luke Lafreniere
So that's my, that's kind of the ideal to me is like put, put, put the Ability to keep running it in the hands of the community.
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Linus Sebastian
And if the community doesn't care, then that's fine.
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Dan
All right.
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Linus Sebastian
All right. And some games will still die.
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Luke Lafreniere
I would prefer the things required be put somewhere. Some external repository that doesn't cost to maintain, like a public GitHub or something like that. I don't know. But like, put it somewhere. I don't know if this makes any sense. Internet Archive, it. Something. Do. Do something so that you never have to look at it again. Because honestly, if the company doesn't ever want to look at it again, I think that's completely fine. Also, don't take it back. If you have given it up to the community and then they find some huge success with it and it's theirs.
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Linus Sebastian
Yeah, but. But there's an opportunity there as well, because that keeps the IP alive.
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Luke Lafreniere
It keeps it learn what they did that worked really well.
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Linus Sebastian
Yeah. And then do a sequel. It's still your ip.
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Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, yeah. I. What other parts of it. I know, like an argument that I've heard is like, oh, what about the music licensing? It's like, okay, yeah, that sucks. Take the music out.
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Linus Sebastian
I mean, I think at that point you could even potentially task the community with doing that. You could be like, here's all the stuff that's not licensed. Like, we realistically, you know, we're insolvent now. You know, like, we're not. We don't have the. We don't have the means to do anything with this anymore. But yeah, here's the documentation. You guys are responsible for your own legal minefield. You have to remove any licensed music and replace it with something else. I'm okay with that.
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Luke Lafreniere
I don't know how that necessarily works legally, but it seems fine to me.
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Linus Sebastian
I don't think you can legislate companies working on something in perpetuity. Yeah, you can't do that.
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Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
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Linus Sebastian
But what you can do is you can create an expectation that they will hand over in some semblance of working order, the materials that are needed to continue the work. If there is someone who is willing to take it on.
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Luke Lafreniere
I don't think they can even hand over the music. It needs to be removed beforehand. That's easy to do.
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Linus Sebastian
And besides, I don't think. I don't even know. I don't even know if I, I don't even know if I would buy that. Because realistically, the, the, the, the ownership, the right to use music comes down to licensing anyway. Like, I could hand you a CD that wouldn't be a license to include it in a game. So, like, if. If I handed you a file pack, I am not handing you a license to use it in a game. I'm just like, it's.
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Luke Lafreniere
It's 10 distributing the music.
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Linus Sebastian
You are.
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Luke Lafreniere
But we are not legal people. We're not gonna figure this out.
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Linus Sebastian
Yeah, no, but. But you're distributing it with a set of terms that prohibit actually using it for anything. Like. I don't know. That's. That's. That's a tough question. That's for the legal people to figure out. And I, you know, appreciate their hard work. But I. My point doesn't change that. I don't think this is insurmountable. Our other question is, I know you guys are boomers and play old games, but are there any games that have been shut down that have impacted your social circle? I already know Luke's answer.
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Luke Lafreniere
Oh, you probably do.
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Linus Sebastian
Yeah. Just when WOW went to shit.
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Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, like, that's a. That's an even more interesting question because that's a version of a game that is still running.
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Linus Sebastian
Yeah, that's a. That's a tougher one.
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Luke Lafreniere
That gets really tough.
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Linus Sebastian
I don't think there's any recourse there.
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Luke Lafreniere
The community forced that too.
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Linus Sebastian
You mean bringing back WOW Classic?
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Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
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Linus Sebastian
But then didn't wow Classic, like evolve and then is like, not wow Classic anymore?
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Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, no. So, no, what I mean is like Nostalrius back in the day and Nostalgia Race is the most well known one. But there's a ton of private servers for wow.
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Linus Sebastian
Sure.
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Luke Lafreniere
Not just nostalgia. And there still are private servers for WoW. Many of them, the community forced that. They like, rebuilt boss mechanics and stuff that they didn't have because they had to build like the server side of it. And it's honestly extremely impressive. That was just out of like an immense amount of community attention, I guess. But there is. Yeah, there's still the original classic WoW branch that Blizzard made, but it's still going and it's way past Classic Wow now. And then there's like some other versions. I don't know all of them. There's a hardcore one where if you die, your character's done. And there's one, I think called Season of Mastery where they like change a bunch of stuff. I don't. I don't know if many people are into that. And then there's rumors of them making what they're calling Classic plus now, which is a whole other thing. But yeah, like games that iterate EverQuest. Wow. All these old MMOs like it's really interesting because where does that argument stop? Because it might not even be within an expansion. Might be a patch within an expansion.
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Linus Sebastian
Yeah.
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Luke Lafreniere
So like a state of a game.
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Linus Sebastian
Yeah. Like I mean okay, here's a. Here's a perfect example of a game that you know, there wouldn't be any kind of stop killing games impact on but they've absolutely made a change to it that has killed our ability to enjoy it. Tape to tape. That's an early access game. I have good news for you. That's an early access game right now that they moved away from time based game lengths to just first to reach a certain number of goals. It's a hockey game. And Luke was so upset by this change to the gameplay that I actually reached out to the lead developer or lead designer I guess is technically his title. And I advocated on your behalf and mine as well. I agree that a hockey game is determined by the clock, not by how many you know.
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Luke Lafreniere
Who reaches the threshold number is three periods.
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Linus Sebastian
Three periods and there is now a.
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Luke Lafreniere
Drop down which totally cool.
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Linus Sebastian
The pre alpha branch. So you can select your difficulty and you can select first to a certain number of goals or time based which.
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Luke Lafreniere
Is because maybe some people will like that very weird version of first to three goals. Maybe some people are into that. Cool. I don't if it's an option. I'm totally down.
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Linus Sebastian
Yeah. So it's. We're back, baby. I looked today and it's in.
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Luke Lafreniere
Nice.
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Linus Sebastian
It's in the pre alpha branch.
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Luke Lafreniere
So cool. That's good.
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Linus Sebastian
Yeah, very cool. Very cool.
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Luke Lafreniere
But yeah, it gets, you know.
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Dan
But yeah.
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Linus Sebastian
Stop killing games. Wouldn't do anything about that because like.
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Luke Lafreniere
Everyone is mad about classic. Wow. But it's still technically. I don't know what expansion they're even on now. But like the main branch is still technically there. It never technically went away.
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Linus Sebastian
Yep.
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Luke Lafreniere
The game was technically never killed.
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Linus Sebastian
It was never killed.
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Luke Lafreniere
It was just expanded upon for decades.
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Linus Sebastian
So this is a, this is a tough. This is going to be a tough thing to tackle because there's absolutely practical challenges like we've outlined already. Not being able to legislate maintaining software forever. Not being able to legislate never patching in or out functionality. Like that's something that they could do to get around this pretty easily is they could just patch out multiplayer.
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Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
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Linus Sebastian
Okay, well that we didn't kill the game.
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Luke Lafreniere
We patched the game down to a. Like you open a door and then the game is over. It's. It's now it's no longer multiplayer. It is single player and it shows the game. You open one door and then the.
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Linus Sebastian
Game ends and it says congratulations, your speedrun time is, you know, X or whatever.
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Luke Lafreniere
And we have given the files out to the community to run this game.
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Linus Sebastian
So there's, there's absolutely ways around this that we'd have to kind of try to, to brainstorm all the sneaky ideas that executives and publishers might have to get around it.
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Luke Lafreniere
But it's a tough problem. I'm happy someone's trying to address it.
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Linus Sebastian
Yes, at least this is a step and I'm really glad to see that it's got the momentum that it does, even if there are some voices within formerly of the industry that are speaking out against it because of some of these practical challenges around crafting this legislation and then ultimately enforcing it. What do you want to talk about next?
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Luke Lafreniere
Well, what's our headline? Not really our headline topic, but what our main topic Apple really wants you to see the F1 wants you to see F1 the movie.
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Linus Sebastian
Yeah.
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Luke Lafreniere
In an excellent piece published on thestar.com my sure sure.com my don't worry about it. Jason Atten Aten Aten, sure.
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Linus Sebastian
Jason, yeah.
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Luke Lafreniere
Discusses what he thinks is Apple's most important product trust and how Apple violated customers trust with the recent push notifications sent to us iPhone users through the Wallet app offering them a $10 discount on tickets for the for F1 the movie. Huh.
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Linus Sebastian
I mean, I have talked about this a fair bit, but it always rings quite hypocritical to me when Apple criticizes their competitors for being ad platforms. When Apple is taking their very operating system and behaving no different from when Microsoft integrated OneDrive. That bothers you to subscribe to it or put stupid Candy Crush in the stupid Start menu. This is, this is what Apple would criticize anyone else for doing on any other timeline. So Aten opines that Apple's entire brand is that it is not like other tech companies. Yes, their products are expensive, but in exchange for the larger bill at the checkout, you get a better user experience in an ecosystem that at least clicks claims to prioritize privacy and security over mining and monetizing your data. He says that when Apple uses an app most associated with security and trust to advertise to its users, it crosses a line.
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Luke Lafreniere
Absolutely.
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Linus Sebastian
TechCrunch reported on widespread social media complaints about the promotion and noted that a new offers and promotion setting for iOS 26's Wallet app suggests that Apple plans to push more marketing through the app in the future. The push Notification this is funny is actually in violation of Apple's own App store guidelines guideline 4.5.4 states that push notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app's UI and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out of receiving such a messages. So Jason goes on to say, a company that has spent years telling the world that privacy is a fundamental human right, a company that famously took on Facebook and limited how apps can track users across other apps and websites, just used its own system level app to send out marketing content that users didn't ask for and couldn't opt out of. That's not a great look.
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Luke Lafreniere
How much money did they get from for this?
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Linus Sebastian
Well, I don't think it's so much about how much money they got. I think it's more about how much money they spent. Like this is an Apple TV production.
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Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, I see.
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Linus Sebastian
Our discussion question is but at least that U2 album was awesome, right? Says Jordan. So this is actually not the first time that Apple has just brazenly used their platform for marketing.
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Luke Lafreniere
What is this website?
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Linus Sebastian
Sorry, Apple TV is buying the TV rights in the US for F1. Sorry, sorry. That's the affiliation. Thank you. Thank you. J. Brad, what is it?
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Luke Lafreniere
This the star.com. my website is a mess.
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Linus Sebastian
Yeah, don't worry about it. It's a good take either way.
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Luke Lafreniere
Okay, cool.
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Linus Sebastian
Let's not worry too much about that for now. All right, So I guess the question here is are we really surprised? I mean, Apple's hypocrisy has been on full display for so long and I know that this really, this really rubs a lot of Apple fans the wrong way whenever I point it out. But like Apple's whole thing with their whole like subsite on apple.com about all their sustainability, while at the same time, in their other hand, they're either facilitating or explicitly enforcing the bricking of perfectly functional devices like Apple's whole holier than thou thing around user privacy and security, while operating data centers that are effectively under the control of the Chinese government for their Chinese users. Like, can we please, please stop pretending that Apple is anything other than an equally soulless and heartless corporation like any other. Please don't fall for the branding. That's all I ask. And when, yeah, and when Apple rubs me the wrong way over this stuff, a big part of it is honestly not that they're behaving any different. This is honestly not Any worse than, you know, Samsung promoting their crap to me on my Samsung phone or Google promoting their crap to me on my Google phone. The difference is that those guys for the most part just kind of own it. Google's like, yep, we're an advertising company. Whereas Apple sits there and just blows smoke up their own about how amazing they are and how much they care about this stuff. No, you don't. When the rubber hits the road, you guys will sell us out as fast as anyone else. And here's the proof in F1, okay, rubber hits throw didn't quite work there. But the F1 thing, you know what, I'm standing by it. Rubber.
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Luke Lafreniere
One of my problems that I'm having is like people in. Some people in floatplane chat and some places that I'm. Others I'm seeing elsewhere. I think this directly ties into what you were kind of just talking about. But people are like, oh, but it's good though. It's like, man, you can't. That doesn't work. What if the next one's not good?
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Linus Sebastian
Well, yeah, Kobby says, except for Linus Media Group Incorporated. They have a soul, right? No, I'd like to think that some of the people who work here have a soul, but the company itself, I'd like to think that influential people who work here have a soul and care. But as soon as you go public, you are beholden to your shareholders. And in that case, your shareholders are in it for literally one thing. Like in, in our case, our primary shareholder, that's me, has to get out here every week and talk to you guys directly. And you guys talk to me directly sometimes very direct. Linus, we need to talk. Okay.
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Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
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Linus Sebastian
That video you did on the lawnmower today. Didn't enjoy it actually, actually for, for just like a Friday showcase, people seem to be kind of into the lawnmower video today. They said it's a lot better than the pool robot when we did.
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Luke Lafreniere
So we, we, we want land robot, not water robot.
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Linus Sebastian
The point is, the point I'm making is that we have a two way dialogue and there is an actual ability potentially at least to make your voice heard and that may actually affect change. And we did take a lot of the feedback from that pool robot video and integrate it into making a better lawn robot video this time. Was it still just a sponsored showcase that we put in our Friday time slot where it's ultimately going to get stomped on by WAN show and we know it's not going to perform very well? You better believe it. But hey, we're able to have this conversation and we're able to make it as best of that as it could possibly be. Whereas with a publicly traded company, like, at the end of the day, the people with the influential voice are going to be the shareholders that are able to exert power over the board of directors and the executive team. That's it. Your voice doesn't actually matter. And if Apple sees that, in spite of people being upset about this, that a whole bunch more people go to see F1, the movie and they ultimately get a bunch of kickback from it, they're just going to do it again. So, no, we don't have a soul. And no, you shouldn't just implicitly, you know, believe that we have your best interest at heart. At the end of the day, we. We are a corporation like any other. But I also think that being a smaller company, not a publicly traded company, not having investors who are purely in it to extract as much value as possible over as fast a timeline as possible, I do think that that makes smaller companies a little different. Maybe we even think different. Maybe we are Apple.
- [31:12]
Luke Lafreniere
Okay, I genuinely really miss the old taglines. Like, intel inside was really good. What even is Intel's current one?
- [31:21]
Linus Sebastian
Is it still Intel Inside?
- [31:22]
Luke Lafreniere
I don't think so.
- [31:23]
Linus Sebastian
I legitimately don't even know.
- [31:25]
Luke Lafreniere
But, like, this is a pro I can think of. There's one company that I really like their tagline and then they changed it and I, like, kept saying their old one. And then they squarespace mad at us.
- [31:38]
Linus Sebastian
Build it Beautiful.
- [31:39]
Luke Lafreniere
It was so much better. What is it now?
- [31:41]
Linus Sebastian
I don't know.
- [31:42]
Luke Lafreniere
Who? Yeah, who Kiss. Who cares? Once you get one that's really good and everyone likes you should probably just keep it.
- [31:47]
Linus Sebastian
Is this just nostalgia glasses, though? Do you. Are you just a boomer who remembers Beautiful was good, who remembers things the way they liked it?
- [31:55]
Luke Lafreniere
Intel inside was good. Think different was good. What is Apples now?
- [32:02]
Linus Sebastian
What's ours?
- [32:04]
Luke Lafreniere
I don't think we have one.
- [32:05]
Dan
Maybe we should ignite a passion for technology.
- [32:08]
Linus Sebastian
Okay, that's on our mission statement.
- [32:10]
Luke Lafreniere
That's not it, though.
- [32:11]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, that's not it.
- [32:12]
Luke Lafreniere
Light things on fire.
- [32:16]
Linus Sebastian
Dude. When I did that interview and talked about sort of how we see our role in the tech space as, like, going around and, like, starting little fires and, like, seeing what burns, you know what I was thinking was ignite passion for technology. But the context around the events that happened at that time with the California wildfires and the fact that I was down in California.
- [32:43]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, no.
- [32:44]
Linus Sebastian
And the timing of the release of the video. Like the wildfires hadn't happened yet when I used that anal analogy. Yeah. So maybe we.
- [32:57]
Luke Lafreniere
Sometimes doing stuff in public is hard.
- [32:59]
Dan
Yeah.
- [32:59]
Linus Sebastian
How about we sprout passion for technology? We'll change it.
- [33:02]
Luke Lafreniere
Sure.
- [33:02]
Linus Sebastian
Sprout sounds impregnated. Oh, impregnate. Passion.
- [33:08]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, that plant seeds of passion. Yeah, Deep seeds, like from alien burst.
- [33:20]
Dan
Out of your chest.
- [33:25]
Linus Sebastian
Cool. What are we supposed. Is something. Speaking of fires, is something on fire?
- [33:34]
Luke Lafreniere
Somewhat. I got it, though. It's fine.
- [33:35]
Linus Sebastian
He's doing great. Why don't we jump into whatever we're supposed to be doing next?
- [33:38]
Dan
We could do another topic. Or we could do some merch messages. How about some merch messages if Luke's doing his job instead of his job.
- [33:45]
Linus Sebastian
Whoa. Oh, interesting. Okay, sure. Merch messages are the way to interact with the show. We've actually got. Where'd it go?
- [33:57]
Luke Lafreniere
Huh?
- [33:57]
Linus Sebastian
We've got a really exciting new product on the store right now. It is our transparent edition of the LTT screwdriver. It's every bit the LTT screwdriver that you already know and love, but now it's clear. So you can see the bits like this, and you can even see them when they're in there like that. You can even see the ratchet mechanism moving around in there a little bit as it click, click, click, click, click, click, click. And makes it satisfying noises. So now is a perfect time, just like Jacobs, to pick up one of these by sending in a merch message. Merch messages go to producer Dan, who will either reply to them himself, forward them internally for someone else to address, or curate them for me and Luke. All you got to do to send a merch message is go to lttstore.com, add something to your cart, like, hey, say, for example, this, or, ooh, the transparent collection. That's a cool hoodie. That actually has my dental records on it because we are absolutely unhinged people. What else we got? You could add, ooh, the new hydrophase swim shorts from our touch sand collection. Just add something to your cart, and whenever we're live, you will see a box for a merch message. Dan, do you want to show the peoples how it works?
- [35:10]
Dan
Sure thing. I've got one here from Alyssa Linus. I have an epson Home Cinema 4010 Pro UHD. Saw the Valerian Pro 2 video specs beat mine. On paper, I thought that short throws were worse than traditional projectors. What am I missing? Is it worth switching for?
- [35:28]
Linus Sebastian
So I'd say traditional viewpoint is that short Throws were worse because you could have more distortion because of the, the optics that are needed to create such a large image over such a short distance and, and how much you have to kind of stretch it in order to do that and just the angle of the light in the wall and all that. With that said, optics is an area of technological advancement over the last like 10 to 20 years that honestly probably has not gotten enough attention. It's one of those things where like people often in person, people thinking they're going to get an unexpected answer, will ask me things like, you know, what's the most exciting change in technology you've seen over your career? And the answer that I invariably give, because I genuinely believe this is one that they don't expect. So nobody comes away disappointed, but I think it's actually enlightening. Think about what has transpired in the time our company has existed in lighting, like cinema lighting technology.
- [36:36]
Luke Lafreniere
Also just the expense, even the Kino.
- [36:39]
Linus Sebastian
Flow, like what has scaled simultaneously in quality like lighting and in cost like lighting in the time that our company has existed.
- [36:50]
Luke Lafreniere
Name something that's not what I would have expected to see.
- [36:53]
Linus Sebastian
Our Kino flow Diva lights were these quad fluorescent tube light things that had this cheap shoddy like corrugated plastic flap system on them. They were frickin heavy. They were ridiculously expensive.
- [37:10]
Luke Lafreniere
Very expensive.
- [37:11]
Linus Sebastian
They like sucked. They weren't very bright and they had absolutely no capacity for adjusting them in terms of their color temperature. They just like were what they were. They were whatever fluorescent tubes you put in them nowadays, dude, companies like Aputure, for like a few hundred bucks you can get lights that are ludicrously bright. Like you can run your entire set off a single circuit instead of having to, you know, have flipping like one halogen light that has to run off a cable from way the frick that set over there. And then like a bunch of other ones for the back that can run on this circuit. We need like three circuits to light your stupid set. You can run an entire set off of a single circuit. You can make all these fancy adjustments to your color temperature and your brightness. It's super granular. It's all like wirelessly controlled and relatively simple to integrate compared to what things were like back when we started, man. What we paid for our flippin the RGB lights, Dan. Our first ones, the blue ones, sky.
- [38:18]
Dan
Panels or the Titan tubes or something like that.
- [38:20]
Linus Sebastian
Oh dude, Titan tubes. Titan tubes are so expensive, dude. But now you can, now you can get like off brand ones that are like way cheaper. They're like battery powered. You could stick a light anywhere you want and just as powerful. And they're. And they're awesome. But like, our first sky panels, those are from arri, which tells you everything you need to know about how much they cost. And like, I was like, oh, this is so cool. Because they had modes for like firelight flickering and modes for like old school black and white tv. So you could have it like off camera and it could like cast kind of like sometimes a little bit more black, sometimes a bit more white.
- [38:54]
Luke Lafreniere
I think some. Just a cop car.
- [38:56]
Linus Sebastian
They had cop car.
- [38:57]
Luke Lafreniere
I think some people aren't recognizing that you are talking chronologically.
- [39:01]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah.
- [39:03]
Luke Lafreniere
Because I got a comment that are like, oh, this thing is much better than the kino flow. The kino flow that we bought was 15 years ago.
- [39:10]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, yeah. That's the point. Is the kino flow sucked back then. But that was like the go to, like, decent kind of affordable light. It was like five grand or something like that.
- [39:22]
Luke Lafreniere
Almost every YouTuber that was heavily investing in their camera setups at that time that I knew had keynote flows.
- [39:29]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. And like, dude, by comparison, I could buy some stupid little like LED array on AliExpress and a little bit of like diffusion paper or something, and I could get better lighting results out of that for like 20 bucks than that Kino flow from like 13 years ago or whenever we bought it.
- [39:47]
Dan
Even the lights that are behind you now, those tiny little square things, they are so bright. They're IP65, waterproof. They're LED, they're RGB.
- [39:57]
Linus Sebastian
They're taped to the floor.
- [39:59]
Dan
Yes. You can't move them because people bump into them.
- [40:01]
Linus Sebastian
Dude. And the little battery powered ones you can put on your camera, like, those existed 10 years ago. They were kind of rough, but they were pretty bad. They weren't bright, they were expensive. The battery life sucked. Like, I remember we'd have to. Oh, man, we'd like micromanage, like our mic pack batteries and our camera batteries and stupid battery for the little thing. Nowadays it's so easy to build a nice rig with just like one battery that like daisy chains across to everything. No, no, I. Dude. Oh, man. Smash Champs. Smash Champs is another great example of this. Hold on, I'm gonna. I'm gonna just bring this up. Do you have any flipping idea what the lighting here would have cost me just like 15 years ago?
- [40:47]
Luke Lafreniere
I think one of the reasons why this is probably so surprising for people is because house lighting, premium house lighting, is still really expensive. And honestly, I don't know why house lighting for LEDs looks kind of poo.
- [41:02]
Linus Sebastian
Hold on, where's that? Where's a better shot that shows? Okay, so here. Is that a video? Why do I keep clicking videos? Can I just click something? That's not a video. Here we go. Is this a video there? It's not a video. Okay, perfect. Okay. They're not actually on. This is absolutely genius. Here we go. Finally. Okay. Okay, cool. So this lighting setup here was inspired by a lighting setup that I saw in a hall in Taiwan like almost 10 years ago now, I think. And they had these really cool fixtures. They were basically giant rectangular prisms that had that were like diffuse, like matte white prisms that were suspended across the entire hall kind of like this. And it was less janky because they didn't have all these stupid like ready rods and aircraft cable and stuff. Like, they were really nice architectural design as opposed to our functional design. And ever since I played there, I knew I wanted that for my ideal lighting because it brings the lights down closer to the court and the closer the light is, the less bright it needs to be and therefore the less dazzling it is whenever you accidentally look directly into the light, which inevitably will happen when there's a moving projectile that could be coming from anywhere to anywhere on the court surface. To do something like that back in the day. Good lord, they were so bright. Yeah, you would. It would have had to have been full of either incandescent or CCFL light sources. You'd be losing a bunch of it to the. To the diffusion layer nowadays. Do you know how we made these? These are just like your typical 4x2 office light panels. And then they're just on an angle. Yeah, they're just mounted to like this, this aluminum structure here.
- [42:57]
Luke Lafreniere
Is there a diffusion layer on there in addition to the standard?
- [43:01]
Linus Sebastian
No, that's just built in.
- [43:03]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. Cuz it looks good.
- [43:04]
Linus Sebastian
It's just built in.
- [43:05]
Luke Lafreniere
It looks like way better.
- [43:05]
Linus Sebastian
They've got little color temperature switches on them, so you could just decide what color temperature you want. And look at this. You can actually really tell in the picture that the consistency is really good.
- [43:17]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh yeah. Like, even when feels like that when you're there too.
- [43:20]
Linus Sebastian
Even when LED panels got somewhat affordable, like I don't know, what, five years ago, 10 years ago, the cri of them sucked and the consistency was all over the place. Nowadays you can just buy commodity stuff. Like these weren't even expensive. I mean, buy enough of them and anything's expensive. But relatively speaking, they weren't even expensive and they're just outstanding. And so I, Yeah, I just, I can't think of anything, anything in the technology space that has come down in price and up in quality, like LED lighting.
- [43:55]
Luke Lafreniere
And I gotta, I gotta caveat this with, I'm gonna say health things and you're watching a tech podcast, so don't, don't, don't yell at me. Just look it up.
- [44:03]
Linus Sebastian
A lime a day keeps your lover away.
- [44:09]
Luke Lafreniere
I was trying to pick something. I like that one. But yeah, I've heard, meanwhile in homes, I've heard that things like the very, very white light that we're getting from modern LEDs and stuff is like bad for you because of circadian rhythm. Things and stuff like that.
- [44:24]
Linus Sebastian
Oh. Like the color temperature that we.
- [44:25]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [44:25]
Linus Sebastian
That we set everything to cri.
- [44:27]
Dan
I think something. They're not very full spectrum.
- [44:29]
Luke Lafreniere
No, I'm not, I'm not very up on top of this, but. And then like actually nice lighting for your home is really expensive still. So it hasn't. The, like consumer space hasn't really followed the exact same trend in my experience.
- [44:42]
Linus Sebastian
Oh. As like the production space and the commercial space.
- [44:45]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [44:46]
Linus Sebastian
Well, maybe it's just different. Different incentives.
- [44:48]
Dan
Right.
- [44:49]
Linus Sebastian
Like on the production space. In the production space, everything comes down to like. Yeah. Why? Yeah, I mean, I guess just my.
- [44:58]
Dan
Understanding is like LED technology just misses a whole bunch of wavelengths and then you get something like the China ball that's above us, which is a, you know, full spectrum, proper real light. They have to do a lot of work.
- [45:11]
Linus Sebastian
Right.
- [45:12]
Dan
Interesting. That's my understanding. Please feel free to correct me. But you know, high CRI and full spectrum bulbs are way easier to do in the day.
- [45:22]
Linus Sebastian
And I guess what's driving the innovation there that allows them to do that in the production space is a combination, like you've got the volume to invest in building a really good LED light, which obviously you would have in like a home setting as well. You have the volume, but in a production space you also have people willing to pay at least some premium. Whereas I don't know about you, but for me, when I'm like buying a light bulb to put in a fixture in my house, I'm not, I'm not paying like extra.
- [45:56]
Dan
And it's. And it's cheaper because you don't have to care. Yeah, we really have to care.
- [46:03]
Linus Sebastian
That's interesting.
- [46:04]
Dan
Yeah. And the flicker free stuff like your.
- [46:07]
Luke Lafreniere
LEDs can blink in your home, only a huge problem. You can't perceptively tell that they're blinking, but it's like bad for you for some ish reason. Again, like, please.
- [46:16]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, who knows? I did make sure. I did make sure there's no flicker.
- [46:21]
Luke Lafreniere
Where's my. You want to press the thing?
- [46:22]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, yeah, I could, I could do that. There you go.
- [46:27]
Luke Lafreniere
There we go. I don't know. Look it up if you care. But there's, there's a lot of stuff going on with lighting.
- [46:33]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, I made sure these don't flicker because we want to be able to record in slow mo at some point and I didn't want that to be a problem. So, so. And it was not that hard to find just commodity office lights that did. Just to go in a drop ceiling that don't flicker. It's just. It blew my mind.
- [46:50]
Dan
That never used to be a thing.
- [46:51]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, I know, right?
- [46:52]
Dan
Like impossible.
- [46:54]
Linus Sebastian
I know, right?
- [46:55]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [46:56]
Linus Sebastian
So the quality just keeps getting. It gets. And it's happening so fast. Like even five years ago when we were looking for lights, like for the office, it was freaking impossible to find anything that like, Brandon wouldn't lose his shit if we installed and like didn't have also proper filming lights in addition to them. Whereas, like nowadays we could just huck these in the office and turn on a camera. Like incredible.
- [47:20]
Dan
Pretty. I think the ones we put in the labs, like the drop in ceiling ones, pretty high cri.
- [47:25]
Linus Sebastian
Yep.
- [47:26]
Dan
Pretty decent. Super dimmable.
- [47:27]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, yeah. Top Gear and full plane chat is calling it pwm. Flicker.
- [47:32]
Dan
Yeah, that's. That's right.
- [47:33]
Luke Lafreniere
But yeah, like the, the old ones would just kind of glow.
- [47:36]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, incandescent. Yeah, yeah.
- [47:37]
Luke Lafreniere
So you didn't have the flicker problem?
- [47:39]
Linus Sebastian
Well, they ran off. They ran directly off of ac. So theoretically they should flicker. But because you were just heating up an element, it wouldn't cool down enough in between the cycles for it to be a problem. So it wasn't until we started doing things digitally that we were like, oh, whoops. And anytime you had a dimmable bulb, they just. Oh man, did they ever suck in the early days.
- [48:04]
Luke Lafreniere
Emily Shebang has said in Flow plane chat said I'm autistic, terrible sensory issues and can see the tiniest micro flicker possible. And it's triggered my seizures.
- [48:14]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. So flicker is bad and apparently it affects at least some people.
- [48:17]
Luke Lafreniere
People that don't have those problems. As far as, as far as I have heard, it's like technically bad for all of us to a certain degree.
- [48:29]
Dan
I don't know.
- [48:31]
Linus Sebastian
Was that one merch message? Good lord, I'm either really good at this or really bad at it.
- [48:38]
Dan
Thank you for sending a nice Merch message?
- [48:40]
Linus Sebastian
Depends what we're trying to accomplish. Okay, yeah, go for it, Dan.
- [48:44]
Dan
Why don't we do a second one and then we'll get into the saw stuff.
- [48:48]
Linus Sebastian
Sure.
- [48:49]
Dan
Let's see. Good day. Tall, slightly shorter and short. Why is my download speed in Australia so slow? I've noticed over in northern America speeds are two to three times faster. Very jealous. Cheers.
- [49:02]
Luke Lafreniere
How tall are you, Dan?
- [49:03]
Dan
6 foot 2 or. Sorry, sorry. 5 foot 14.
- [49:10]
Linus Sebastian
Get out.
- [49:13]
Dan
I can't hurt my head.
- [49:18]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, hold on. The female audience in floatplane chat says yes and you never answered it. It was about projectors.
- [49:27]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh.
- [49:29]
Linus Sebastian
These days I would say you can get a short throw with relatively low distortion. However, I will say that compared to an ultra short throw, the higher end cinema models do still tend to be short throw or like normal ish throw lengths. And those tend to be the higher quality models that have features like lens shift that make it much easier to get perfect alignment, etc, etc.
- [49:56]
Dan
So they're like just giant bulbs. Right.
- [49:58]
Linus Sebastian
There you go. Okay, sorry. What was the new one? Ah, yes. Why is the Internet slow in Australia? Because you're a penal colony and nobody cares about you.
- [50:11]
Dan
Glad somebody said it.
- [50:13]
Linus Sebastian
The actual reason is the ocean because there's limited tubes.
- [50:23]
Dan
What they call it. It's. The Internet is not a big lorry.
- [50:26]
Luke Lafreniere
Well, now. And everybody's cutting them. That doesn't help.
- [50:29]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, that darn shark willie's not helping. Way to go, China.
- [50:38]
Luke Lafreniere
All right, are we. What are we doing now?
- [50:40]
Dan
Do you want to do the game? Do you want to do another topic and then the game?
- [50:44]
Linus Sebastian
I guess we should probably do the game, which I just lost and so did all of you. Oh, okay. So I was handed this backpack.
- [51:01]
Dan
Yes. Don't open the backpack just yet.
- [51:03]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, I'm supposed to not see or something. Yeah, I put the dock away.
- [51:07]
Dan
Close your eyes. Do you want to turn 360 degrees and walk away?
- [51:11]
Linus Sebastian
One commuter back.
- [51:13]
Luke Lafreniere
Okay, that's an old reference. Still checks out.
- [51:15]
Linus Sebastian
I get it.
- [51:16]
Dan
Vintage.
- [51:19]
Linus Sebastian
Okay, now what?
- [51:20]
Dan
Read the thing.
- [51:21]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, wait, I have to close my eyes.
- [51:22]
Dan
No, no, no.
- [51:23]
Luke Lafreniere
I close my eyes.
- [51:23]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, he closes his eyes.
- [51:25]
Luke Lafreniere
My eyes are closed.
- [51:26]
Linus Sebastian
Let's play a game. Lime Day.
- [51:31]
Dan
You don't have to close your eyes.
- [51:33]
Linus Sebastian
I don't.
- [51:33]
Luke Lafreniere
Me.
- [51:34]
Dan
Yeah, no, just close the dock. It's fine.
- [51:36]
Luke Lafreniere
Okay.
- [51:37]
Linus Sebastian
Lime Day, our annual sales event where we squeeze our margins and bring you sweet deals, is happening next week starting Wednesday, July 9. But instead of just listing out the deals you can expect, we thought it'd be fun to play a little game. Luke.
- [51:54]
Luke Lafreniere
Yes.
- [51:54]
Linus Sebastian
We're going to show you five different items that are going to be on sale or in a bundle during lime day.
- [52:02]
Luke Lafreniere
Okay.
- [52:02]
Linus Sebastian
You have one guess to figure out what each item is. But here's the catch. The picture is going to be very zoomed in. Oh. And if you don't get at least three out of five, you have to take a bite out of this lime.
- [52:20]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh.
- [52:21]
Linus Sebastian
But if you do get three out.
- [52:23]
Luke Lafreniere
Of five, Linus has to.
- [52:25]
Linus Sebastian
I take a bite out of the line.
- [52:27]
Dan
All right.
- [52:28]
Luke Lafreniere
I don't think I'll mind taking the bite out of the lime. So hopefully with skin. I. With skin.
- [52:34]
Linus Sebastian
I mean, I would assume so.
- [52:35]
Dan
Yeah. Just chomping.
- [52:36]
Linus Sebastian
Oh.
- [52:37]
Dan
Right inside of it.
- [52:38]
Luke Lafreniere
Do you have to consume the whole thing?
- [52:40]
Dan
Take a.
- [52:40]
Linus Sebastian
Take a bite. I think you have to at least chew three times.
- [52:44]
Luke Lafreniere
I'm fine with that. I don't know if I want to.
- [52:46]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. I don't think you have to swallow.
- [52:48]
Luke Lafreniere
Okay.
- [52:48]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah.
- [52:49]
Luke Lafreniere
Do we.
- [52:50]
Dan
Yeah. It's not that type of show.
- [52:54]
Linus Sebastian
Not yet. Wait for after dark.
- [52:55]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. Really?
- [52:56]
Linus Sebastian
Okay.
- [52:57]
Luke Lafreniere
All right. There's some interesting stuff because, like, both of our backpacks use reprieve, right?
- [53:03]
Linus Sebastian
Yes.
- [53:04]
Luke Lafreniere
So, like. And then also last year, there was stuff in lime day that we don't sell normally, so this might be kind of tough. How am I supposed to see the things?
- [53:15]
Linus Sebastian
I guess.
- [53:16]
Dan
Dan, it'll pop up on screen. And then after you get it right or wrong, we'll. We'll show you the full picture that it was based off of, and then we'll show you the item. You ready for number one?
- [53:26]
Linus Sebastian
First item.
- [53:31]
Dan
What product is that, Luke?
- [53:32]
Linus Sebastian
I think I'm not gonna eat this line.
- [53:34]
Luke Lafreniere
Are you actually kidding me?
- [53:36]
Dan
What's number one?
- [53:37]
Luke Lafreniere
Transparent screwdriver.
- [53:40]
Dan
Is that your final answer?
- [53:41]
Luke Lafreniere
Sure.
- [53:41]
Dan
You only get one. Are you ready to see what it is? Sure.
- [53:45]
Linus Sebastian
We have our iconic double wall vacuum sealed water bottle on both our US and global site. You will get $15 off our regular price during lime day.
- [53:58]
Dan
Do you see it now?
- [54:00]
Luke Lafreniere
Sure.
- [54:01]
Dan
So obvious. See, that's the outline of the bottle.
- [54:05]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [54:06]
Dan
Yeah.
- [54:06]
Luke Lafreniere
I should have known that was so obvious, but okay.
- [54:10]
Dan
I think there's one in your. In your sack there. Oh.
- [54:15]
Luke Lafreniere
All right. That was. That was really hard.
- [54:22]
Linus Sebastian
That's.
- [54:22]
Dan
Oh, that was the easy one.
- [54:24]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, okay. Wait. Okay. Okay. So, Dan, you shouldn't show him the thing. I think that's why I have this. I think I'm supposed to show him the. The thing that's in here.
- [54:32]
Luke Lafreniere
I'm looking.
- [54:33]
Dan
I have no idea.
- [54:34]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, I think it's I actually have two water bottles.
- [54:37]
Dan
Ah, okay.
- [54:38]
Linus Sebastian
I guess they wanted me to point out that we have different sizes. That's true. Sorry. I got.
- [54:43]
Luke Lafreniere
Am I still supposed to not be looking at stuff?
- [54:45]
Linus Sebastian
Yep. There we go. You can just look up. It's fine. I'm just holding up water bottles.
- [54:49]
Dan
I just. Don't look at the dock.
- [54:50]
Linus Sebastian
I had them wrong before. Now they're fixed.
- [54:53]
Dan
Don't look at the dock and you're fine. I've got the text uncovered.
- [54:55]
Luke Lafreniere
I'm not.
- [54:57]
Dan
What are you doing?
- [54:58]
Linus Sebastian
All right, second item for item number two. And if Luke gets this one wrong, he has to get the last three right.
- [55:06]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [55:07]
Dan
Are you ready?
- [55:08]
Linus Sebastian
Here we go. Dude.
- [55:16]
Luke Lafreniere
Look.
- [55:16]
Dan
It's so obvious.
- [55:17]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, my God.
- [55:19]
Linus Sebastian
Wait. Okay, this one's actually gettable. Yeah. This one's gettable.
- [55:24]
Dan
Yeah.
- [55:27]
Luke Lafreniere
Can I look closely at it?
- [55:28]
Linus Sebastian
Absolutely.
- [55:29]
Luke Lafreniere
Without opening it.
- [55:31]
Linus Sebastian
Wait, the backpack?
- [55:32]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. I don't know, because that had. You can see the weave on the backpack.
- [55:37]
Linus Sebastian
You can look. You can. You can.
- [55:39]
Luke Lafreniere
Can I look at LTT store at the products.
- [55:42]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, is. Is that allowed, Dan?
- [55:44]
Dan
I don't know. This is.
- [55:45]
Luke Lafreniere
That's not against the rules.
- [55:47]
Linus Sebastian
I mean, I think we should have a time limit if you're gonna do that, because it's gonna take forever.
- [55:52]
Luke Lafreniere
No, that seems fair.
- [55:53]
Linus Sebastian
It's gonna take forever if you do that.
- [55:55]
Luke Lafreniere
That seems fair.
- [55:56]
Linus Sebastian
Okay. You have to close the chat, though. Get the chat out of here. Absolute pumpkin eater over here.
- [56:08]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, could it be that.
- [56:19]
Linus Sebastian
Eh.
- [56:22]
Luke Lafreniere
I'm gonna go with that precision screwdriver.
- [56:24]
Dan
Precision screwdriver.
- [56:25]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [56:26]
Linus Sebastian
Hold on. Wait for it.
- [56:27]
Luke Lafreniere
I'm not that confident, but I'm gonna go with it. Oh, really? Let's go.
- [56:33]
Linus Sebastian
Our precision multi bit screwdriver. We're gonna be offering a really sweet deal where you get a precision screwdriver and bit set bundle with a free Jerry rig everything knife.
- [56:46]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, cool.
- [56:47]
Linus Sebastian
So if you get the bundle small tools, you get the free knife. Let's go.
- [56:51]
Luke Lafreniere
Let's legit.
- [56:53]
Linus Sebastian
All right.
- [56:54]
Dan
Number the third.
- [56:56]
Luke Lafreniere
Well, LTD store is up. That's it.
- [56:57]
Dan
Okay, you ready?
- [56:58]
Linus Sebastian
Go for it.
- [57:05]
Dan
What?
- [57:08]
Luke Lafreniere
What?
- [57:09]
Linus Sebastian
Okay, I think this browsing the site is a bit of a hack. Hey, Sam. Is he allowed to browse the site? You can't look at the site. You can't look the site.
- [57:17]
Dan
Close the site.
- [57:19]
Linus Sebastian
How do I figure that out?
- [57:20]
Luke Lafreniere
That makes no sense at all.
- [57:21]
Linus Sebastian
Look at it. Just look at it there.
- [57:24]
Luke Lafreniere
What?
- [57:25]
Linus Sebastian
Look at it. You. You have two.
- [57:28]
Luke Lafreniere
This game sucks. Are you kidding me?
- [57:34]
Linus Sebastian
What?
- [57:34]
Dan
You know I did. Don't make it easier.
- [57:37]
Luke Lafreniere
Doesn't make Anything easier? Oh, my goodness.
- [57:40]
Linus Sebastian
Look at him.
- [57:43]
Luke Lafreniere
He's staring at my soul. Oh, come on.
- [57:46]
Dan
It's not that hard.
- [57:48]
Linus Sebastian
What are you. No, no, no, no, no. He's staring at my soul.
- [57:51]
Luke Lafreniere
Wow.
- [57:53]
Linus Sebastian
Give me the din.
- [57:56]
Dan
Sorry.
- [57:57]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, she's so good.
- [57:58]
Luke Lafreniere
Jason.
- [57:59]
Linus Sebastian
Okay, go for it.
- [58:01]
Dan
Do you give up?
- [58:02]
Linus Sebastian
No, he can't give up. He has to guess.
- [58:04]
Luke Lafreniere
I don't think he was in this. The new swimsuit photos, but it's not going to be a standard shirt. Why is this. Why is. Is that even his hand? Is that someone else's hand or is that. Can you zoom in on the hand? I don't think this is gonna help me in hands.
- [58:19]
Linus Sebastian
There's no way Elijah would wear an outfit.
- [58:22]
Luke Lafreniere
It also looks like it a significant. It doesn't look like he's doing this.
- [58:27]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, my God.
- [58:28]
Luke Lafreniere
It might be someone else's hand. So it's a group photo. One of the things do we have. Yes, it's on the store. Thanks.
- [58:35]
Dan
LTTstore.com.
- [58:39]
Linus Sebastian
Sofotox says, Learn your product catalog. Dork.
- [58:42]
Luke Lafreniere
It's not even there. Literally nothing to do with the product is in this photo.
- [58:49]
Dan
Okay, let me just.
- [58:50]
Linus Sebastian
I'm gonna give you. To take a guess.
- [58:51]
Dan
I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give you a hint.
- [58:54]
Linus Sebastian
What? No, he has to guess.
- [58:56]
Luke Lafreniere
I think he's just making it smaller.
- [58:59]
Linus Sebastian
Just what?
- [59:01]
Dan
There's your hint.
- [59:02]
Linus Sebastian
Just guess. Okay.
- [59:05]
Luke Lafreniere
There's my hint. Is this a real hint or are you just trolling the task jacket?
- [59:13]
Linus Sebastian
All right, ready? Oh, wait. Do I not have.
- [59:16]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, we don't have to fit in the.
- [59:17]
Dan
I don't think you have the shirts.
- [59:20]
Luke Lafreniere
It's a specific shirt.
- [59:21]
Linus Sebastian
It's a blank T shirt. Are you kidding?
- [59:24]
Luke Lafreniere
It was a.
- [59:27]
Linus Sebastian
During lime day, you will be able to get four of our blanks for only $60. And that's the price on both the US and. And Canadian site. Four for 60. That's $15 each for our blank tees.
- [59:42]
Luke Lafreniere
No. I didn't think you would stoop so low. Me to put a specific shirt, not you to put a specific.
- [59:48]
Linus Sebastian
It's not a specific.
- [59:50]
Luke Lafreniere
It was you. And a blank is a specific shirt.
- [59:58]
Linus Sebastian
No, we have a bunch of them.
- [60:01]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, but there are other shirts that you sell.
- [60:04]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, I see what you mean. Okay, okay, okay. All right. All right, fourth item.
- [60:08]
Dan
You need to get the next two correct.
- [60:11]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, like that's gonna happen. Because you're gonna show me.
- [60:13]
Linus Sebastian
Are you ready? How about compromise? What product is this?
- [60:16]
Dan
No, no, no.
- [60:17]
Linus Sebastian
How about compromise? Compromise. Compromise on the next one. He can browse the site for one minute.
- [60:25]
Dan
No, he'll be fine.
- [60:28]
Linus Sebastian
Okay. I am actually.
- [60:29]
Luke Lafreniere
I appreciate it.
- [60:30]
Linus Sebastian
I'm actually on your side here.
- [60:31]
Luke Lafreniere
I appreciate the.
- [60:32]
Dan
Sammy's here. He's got a gun to my head.
- [60:34]
Linus Sebastian
And can't bend segment.
- [60:36]
Luke Lafreniere
Sammy does actually have a gun right now. It's a little terrifying.
- [60:40]
Linus Sebastian
Fourth item.
- [60:40]
Luke Lafreniere
I don't know how he got.
- [60:42]
Linus Sebastian
Okay, well, he got them at the gun show. Yeah.
- [60:46]
Dan
You. You go to the gym. You've been working out.
- [60:48]
Linus Sebastian
Okay.
- [60:48]
Dan
This man lives. Think.
- [60:55]
Linus Sebastian
You can browse for two minutes? Two minutes? Yeah.
- [60:59]
Dan
You know this one?
- [61:00]
Linus Sebastian
Two minutes.
- [61:02]
Luke Lafreniere
It's so red. I know this one. Why would I know this?
- [61:07]
Linus Sebastian
I should.
- [61:08]
Dan
After you threw the lines of the tv. Oh, yeah. That's not helpful.
- [61:14]
Linus Sebastian
What? It's the. It's fine. It's perfectly helpful.
- [61:20]
Luke Lafreniere
Is it actually orange? It's on the website, apparently.
- [61:23]
Dan
It's on the website, I guess. Allegedly.
- [61:27]
Linus Sebastian
I mean, your two minutes is ticking. So.
- [61:30]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, my brain wants to go to screwdriver because the three lines are in, like, the. The. The cap thingy, but that's on.
- [61:36]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, it's not on the website. It's not on the website.
- [61:37]
Luke Lafreniere
Sorry.
- [61:38]
Dan
What do you mean you can browse? I've been told you can browse. But it's on the website.
- [61:43]
Luke Lafreniere
It's a product that isn't on the website, apparently. What?
- [61:50]
Dan
What?
- [61:51]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, I'll. I'll get your lime ready.
- [61:55]
Luke Lafreniere
This is doable. This is doable. This is doable.
- [61:57]
Dan
This is not on the website.
- [61:59]
Linus Sebastian
No.
- [62:01]
Dan
But you can use the website to help.
- [62:02]
Linus Sebastian
I'm getting your lime ready.
- [62:05]
Dan
You're gonna get punched in the face. Repeated lime ready. If this isn't on the website, it.
- [62:11]
Linus Sebastian
Will make sense once you figure it out.
- [62:12]
Dan
Luke, just. When you. When you jump up in rage and jump over the tables, just take your headphones off so the cable doesn't get caught. And, Sammy, please don't get blood on the concrete. It's very hard to get out.
- [62:25]
Linus Sebastian
No, I sealed this one.
- [62:26]
Dan
Oh, okay.
- [62:27]
Linus Sebastian
Okay.
- [62:28]
Dan
Yeah. Feel free to bleed wherever then it is.
- [62:31]
Luke Lafreniere
This one is. Yeah, this one is sealed. All right.
- [62:34]
Dan
What do you want?
- [62:34]
Luke Lafreniere
It's not on the.
- [62:35]
Dan
What? You guess?
- [62:36]
Linus Sebastian
It will help. Okay, you're gonna have to guess.
- [62:38]
Dan
You got five seconds. This is getting ridiculous.
- [62:49]
Linus Sebastian
It's a variation of the product on the website.
- [62:54]
Luke Lafreniere
Screwdriver.
- [62:55]
Dan
All right. You ready to see?
- [62:57]
Luke Lafreniere
Sure. There's, like, no way I have the.
- [62:59]
Linus Sebastian
Revealed of in the bag, Dan.
- [63:01]
Luke Lafreniere
There's, like, no way it's gonna be right because the screwdriver has those Three things on it. And I'm assuming that's. Wait, really? Okay, wait. So I didn't know. It is red.
- [63:12]
Linus Sebastian
It's a screwdriver. But not just any screwdriver.
- [63:15]
Luke Lafreniere
It's a color.
- [63:16]
Linus Sebastian
This is one of five exclusive lime day colorways that you'll be able to get by purchasing a mystery screwdriver next week while saving US$20 on the US site or 30 Canadian dollars on the global site.
- [63:34]
Luke Lafreniere
Do I get it wrong? Because I know you made me think.
- [63:36]
Dan
That I messed up the color balance on my tv.
- [63:39]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. What were you talking about? You guys need to stop giving so many bloody hints. I thought it was supposed to be the three things. I'm just reading.
- [63:47]
Dan
I'm just investing. That was. Yeah.
- [63:49]
Luke Lafreniere
Okay, well, the thing that really threw me off was that he said it wasn't on the website.
- [63:55]
Linus Sebastian
Okay, you guys are honestly hindering more than helping.
- [64:00]
Dan
He has to get this one correct.
- [64:01]
Linus Sebastian
Okay, so the last one. I vote everybody shut up and let him play the game.
- [64:05]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [64:06]
Dan
Are you ready?
- [64:07]
Luke Lafreniere
Sure.
- [64:07]
Linus Sebastian
Okay.
- [64:07]
Dan
For all the lines.
- [64:12]
Luke Lafreniere
That's not on the website either, is it?
- [64:15]
Linus Sebastian
Everyone's gonna shut up and let you play the game.
- [64:20]
Luke Lafreniere
I think I even know what that is, but that. Can I look at the website on this one? Don't. Okay, yeah, that wasn't the question, but I don't know. I don't know.
- [64:36]
Linus Sebastian
It's up to Arty. The game was never supposed to. He was supposed to, like, it's supposed. This has dragged out forever, you guys. That's good. He won't guess because he's gonna lose.
- [64:46]
Dan
Go on. What's your. What's your thought?
- [64:48]
Luke Lafreniere
What's my thought? I thought, but I don't know if I can say it because I don't know if it's even like.
- [64:53]
Dan
Say it.
- [64:55]
Luke Lafreniere
Say it. Let me type it to Linus.
- [64:57]
Linus Sebastian
You can say anything you want.
- [64:59]
Dan
Say it.
- [64:59]
Luke Lafreniere
WAN backpack.
- [65:02]
Linus Sebastian
It's our brand new WAN edition of the LTT backpack. That's right, my friends.
- [65:09]
Luke Lafreniere
That was. I'm so thrown off because I thought the products were in the bag. This wasn't in the bag, so I thought I was losing by saying wan backpack.
- [65:22]
Dan
You did it.
- [65:22]
Linus Sebastian
It's the same backpack you know and love, but with a little more wang personality. We're gonna be launching it next week, but since it's lime day, we're gonna be loading it up with something really sweet. If you want to find out what we're going to be putting in them, sign up to get notified@lttstore.com. lime you'll also be the first to be notified of everything that's going to be on sale. And you'll get new deals throughout the week directly in your inbox. That's lttstore.com lime Also, this is very important. Pay close attention. If you are an LTT floatplane subscriber, you are going to have a day of early access to all of our week long deals. Could maybe put it in the frame. Yeah. Turn it around maybe. I don't know. Just ideas.
- [66:14]
Dan
Okay.
- [66:17]
Linus Sebastian
Where's the salesmanship? Good enough.
- [66:22]
Luke Lafreniere
Is there to.
- [66:28]
Linus Sebastian
Give me the damn lime. Oh, wow.
- [66:32]
Luke Lafreniere
Those are tough.
- [66:33]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah.
- [66:33]
Luke Lafreniere
I watched you really try. Like, he gave it a shot. Do you want to open it up first?
- [66:42]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, I am. I. I swear.
- [66:44]
Luke Lafreniere
I'm like, really legitimately sending it. Do you want me to do it too? The contest was kind of messed up. I can join you in this if you'd like.
- [66:53]
Linus Sebastian
I mean, that's. That's your call. If you want to eat a lime, you can eat a lime. I won't stop you.
- [66:57]
Luke Lafreniere
I don't know if I can get in there or not.
- [66:58]
Dan
It. Sure.
- [67:16]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, man.
- [67:17]
Linus Sebastian
Did you swallow the peel?
- [67:18]
Luke Lafreniere
Nope. I'm just still going. You know, it's. It's turning kind of nice. It starts really bad, but it gets pretty. Okay.
- [67:26]
Dan
Do you need a. Do you need a bucket?
- [67:27]
Luke Lafreniere
I got juice all over my laptop.
- [67:30]
Linus Sebastian
I got it mostly on my pants.
- [67:32]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh. It's also, like, all on one side, which is really.
- [67:37]
Linus Sebastian
Well, I mean, it depends what side it's hanging down.
- [67:39]
Luke Lafreniere
Right. That's what I was.
- [67:40]
Dan
It's supposed to hang.
- [67:48]
Luke Lafreniere
Okay. We did it.
- [67:50]
Dan
Nice job.
- [67:51]
Linus Sebastian
Did anyone think to have, like, a napkin or anything handy for this or.
- [67:54]
Luke Lafreniere
I don't think so.
- [67:55]
Linus Sebastian
Nice. Oh, I mean, we deserved that. Yeah, well, I did. I don't know if you did.
- [68:01]
Dan
I'm blocked by a tv. Sorry.
- [68:04]
Luke Lafreniere
Also, you. You mentioned how, like, them helping me was not helping me. It's.
- [68:08]
Linus Sebastian
They were actually unhealthy.
- [68:10]
Luke Lafreniere
Where is it on the website? It's not on the website.
- [68:12]
Linus Sebastian
The WAN backpack. It's not exactly. I don't know what there's.
- [68:16]
Dan
Dude, I didn't know that.
- [68:18]
Luke Lafreniere
I genuinely was like, I am losing, but this is the only thing I can. Can think. Makes sense.
- [68:22]
Linus Sebastian
I went from being, like, kind of annoyed because they were giving you a bunch of hints in this game that was supposed to be a game to kind of annoyed because they were, like, sabotaging you. That was.
- [68:34]
Dan
That was just Sammy.
- [68:36]
Luke Lafreniere
I repeatedly, like, I thought screwdriver would not have been Possible because they said it wasn't on the website. But I understand what he meant. That variant wasn't.
- [68:44]
Dan
Yeah, I think I. I was super confused because I didn't know that variant existed on my monitors. That's sort of orange.
- [68:53]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. So I thought it was a color problem.
- [68:55]
Dan
This monitor is extremely red.
- [68:57]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, I thought it was a color problem. So I thought because of that it wasn't the screwdriver because they said it wasn't on the website. So I was like, what else can it possibly be?
- [69:07]
Linus Sebastian
I knew that everything was fine and working completely normally and that his guess was good, but we just have to sit through like four minutes of you guys misleading him.
- [69:19]
Dan
I was uninformed.
- [69:20]
Linus Sebastian
Just get on with it.
- [69:22]
Dan
Okay, so buy things. Next topic. Buy our products so that we don't have to do this again.
- [69:29]
Linus Sebastian
What is this stupid show?
- [69:31]
Luke Lafreniere
Also, in my defense, and definitely the angle is way off, but I thought it was this. But way more zoomed in for the water bottle.
- [69:38]
Dan
Yeah, this. This is not. Half of it is the water bottle.
- [69:41]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, half of it is the water bottle.
- [69:44]
Linus Sebastian
Nah, I get it. No, no, I see what he's going for. I see what he's going for.
- [69:48]
Luke Lafreniere
I just thought it was like a slightly weird photo.
- [69:51]
Linus Sebastian
I'm picking up what you're throwing down. The Germans have a word for everything. On the last WAN show, we got into a discussion about whether or not LMG is a big company or a small company. And I kind of tried to describe. Or the way that I ultimately described it was we're a big enough company that a credit union cannot service our business properly. Yeah, but we're too small of a company for the big multinational banks to, like, really care. To care about us? No, no, no, no. To care about us at all. Like, at all. Anyway, Redditor Alactrium Underscore reached out with a German word that defines us, and apparently it is Mittelstand, which according to Wikipedia, commonly refers to a group of stable business enterprises that have proved successful in enduring economic change and turbulence and is defined as a statistical category of small and medium sized enterprises with annual revenues up to 50 million euro and a maximum of 500 employees. So here's the. Here's the. Here's the. Wikipedia. It would have been nice if we linked to the actual post. Oh, yeah, no, here it is. Here it is. So the way that they defined it was a little bit differently. We made up a word for this kind of company. It's okay. Yeah. Anyway, no, never mind. Yep. Cool. Good definition. Thank you. That actually does help. Yeah. We're. We're a Mittel stand.
- [71:24]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [71:24]
Linus Sebastian
Is what our company is.
- [71:25]
Luke Lafreniere
And there are complications with that. The transition is surprisingly very difficult and painful.
- [71:31]
Linus Sebastian
And I can understand why a lot of companies might not make it. Like, I gotta confess when people told me that the. I forget people lay it out both in, like, revenue terms and in, like, headcount terms, but when people told me, like, oh, yeah, this transition, when you grow from like, 100 to 500 employees, is where most companies die, I always looked at it and went, well, like, that's crazy. Why would that happen? Like, if you're. If you're profitable and doing great, up to 80 employees. What, you have 110 employees and you just go bankrupt. But what we're learning as we are, as we have scaled to 100, over 100, back under 100, and then now over 100 over the course of the last, like, three years, where we haven't really grown in headcount at all, is that the communication and process challenges associated with crossing this threshold, you effectively have.
- [72:33]
Luke Lafreniere
To rebuild your entire company are painful.
- [72:35]
Linus Sebastian
But the difference is that this time you're building the airplane while flying it.
- [72:39]
Luke Lafreniere
Yes.
- [72:40]
Linus Sebastian
Whereas the first time you were building the airplane and figuring out how to take off the Runway, like, it's a very, very different experience. And there's so many more voices, so many more vested interests. It's. It's been challenging, to put it lightly. No. I like it that way.
- [73:09]
Luke Lafreniere
Nothing changed. And now way more people know about the world.
- [73:15]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, I saw their messages. Don't imagine I did this.
- [73:18]
Luke Lafreniere
This will bother even more. Four people now. I tried. Does it. Is it better if they match?
- [73:28]
Linus Sebastian
I don't think so.
- [73:31]
Dan
I really don't think so.
- [73:35]
Luke Lafreniere
Well, we'll see.
- [73:36]
Linus Sebastian
This is interesting. The Colombian Navy has snagged a Starlink equipped narco sub. On Wednesday this week, the Colombian Navy captured an unmanned semi submersible that was equipped with a Starlink antenna. This unmanned drone vessel is believed to have been a trial run for automated cocaine trafficking. No drugs were found aboard the vessel, but Colombian officials stated that it had the capacity to transport as much as one and a half tons of cocaine.
- [74:06]
Luke Lafreniere
So it was a test run.
- [74:08]
Linus Sebastian
Manned semi submersibles, clandestinely built in the jungle, have been used for decades to ferry cocaine from Colombia to Central America and Mexico and have in recent years, been found crossing the Atlantic and and Pacific oceans.
- [74:20]
Luke Lafreniere
Whoa.
- [74:21]
Linus Sebastian
Colombian law calls for prison terms of up to 14 years for the use, construction, marketing, possession and transportation of semi submersibles that's obviously working great. Unmanned subs eliminate the possibility of a captured crew cooperating with authorities. This is really interesting. So I learned recently that people were equipping planes with Starlink by just like putting the antenna like in the window of the front and just pointing it up. And then Starlink, because they're, they have launched now I believe they've launched. They've launched or they're launching their, like their, their corporate jet service. Starlink has apparently countered this by doing a speed check and making sure that your receipt, your receiver unit is not moving too fast because there's nothing that would prevent the service from working.
- [75:21]
Luke Lafreniere
So then you want. Because they, because what, they're going to upcharge the airlines, I guess. Yeah, yeah. Well, because the plain version. To pay more.
- [75:28]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. So Starlink, what's it called? Not commercial. Corporate. Corporate airplane price here. For corporate and private jet applications, Starlink Aviation offers hardware for $150,000 with monthly service plans ranging from 2000 to $25,000.
- [75:57]
Luke Lafreniere
Which honestly, depending on the understanding goes.
- [75:59]
Linus Sebastian
Is it's about in line.
- [76:01]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, I thought it was cheaper.
- [76:04]
Linus Sebastian
I don't really.
- [76:05]
Luke Lafreniere
25 grand for like a jumbo jet.
- [76:07]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, oh, that Maybe. Okay, sure, sure.
- [76:09]
Luke Lafreniere
I'm not talking about the installation at all.
- [76:11]
Linus Sebastian
No, no, yeah.
- [76:11]
Luke Lafreniere
No idea on that.
- [76:12]
Linus Sebastian
Possibly. Yeah, no, but no, it's apparently this is for business jets, according to pilot mail, says the AI summary. So take that for, take that for what it is.
- [76:22]
Luke Lafreniere
You got to watch them AI summaries.
- [76:24]
Linus Sebastian
Business Unlimited, $10,000 a month. I think that's pretty competitive. So. So. Yeah. And the interesting thing about it is from my understanding, this basically just comes down to like certification and regulation because from what I heard from my uncle, nothing prevented anyone from just putting the like ground based Starlink in the, in the cockpit and just pointing it up and getting Starlink service. But, but with all the like certification and everything, the prices do go up a lot because you're not allowed to just like install, you know, Starlink in your own, you know, plane. Like it's done by a certified shop.
- [77:12]
Luke Lafreniere
Not necessarily weird in a bad way.
- [77:14]
Linus Sebastian
But apparently they take like fire resistance extremely seriously. Like to the nth degree. Like if you have a fire on a plane, that's apparently the worst. I mean, makes sense.
- [77:24]
Luke Lafreniere
Kind of does make sense.
- [77:25]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, it makes perfect sense to me.
- [77:27]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. Yeah. They are just oxygen and fuel. Big containers of oxygen and big containers of fuel.
- [77:39]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah.
- [77:40]
Luke Lafreniere
Everywhere the fire could go is really bad.
- [77:44]
Dan
Yeah. Oh boy.
- [77:47]
Linus Sebastian
Let's see if I can find this. Yeah. Everything, everything, everything plain is just whatever it costs on land times, you know, a bunch. Yeah.
- [78:02]
Luke Lafreniere
Now consider space.
- [78:05]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, dude.
- [78:05]
Luke Lafreniere
The last place not ruined by capitalism.
- [78:11]
Linus Sebastian
Give him time.
- [78:11]
Luke Lafreniere
If you don't know that reference, look it up. It's amazing. It's amazing watching him, like, crack up as he says it.
- [78:17]
Dan
He's having such a good time.
- [78:19]
Linus Sebastian
Time. Do you want to. You want to play another little game?
- [78:22]
Luke Lafreniere
Sure.
- [78:23]
Linus Sebastian
Okay. This is a USB outlet.
- [78:30]
Luke Lafreniere
Okay.
- [78:30]
Linus Sebastian
It has USB C at 15 watts and USB A at 15 watts. How much do you think this module costs?
- [78:41]
Luke Lafreniere
This is for a plane.
- [78:43]
Linus Sebastian
Yes. This is from mcico.com True Blue Power.
- [78:49]
Luke Lafreniere
Assuming a very substantial price increase off of what this would cost a consumer, I think I'm still going to be intensely low, but I'm going to say 125 bucks. Oh, well.
- [79:06]
Linus Sebastian
As low as $423.
- [79:09]
Luke Lafreniere
Okay, hold on one sec. So adding USB C because the one beside it was exactly the same, but no space, no USB C. Right. So adding USB C is like over $200.
- [79:19]
Linus Sebastian
I think you mean as low as $213. Hold on. But wait, there's more. Okay, let's say for instance, because that's just regular old, like crappy USB C where it's just doing the voltages and amperages of a USB A port, but it's just shaped like a USB C port. Huh. Okay, how about the appropriately named 6430360 21. This does USB C PD.
- [79:50]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, wow.
- [79:51]
Linus Sebastian
100 watts at 5amps and then USB A at 15 watts.
- [79:56]
Luke Lafreniere
Considering. So the last one was 425, is that right?
- [79:59]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, something like that.
- [80:01]
Luke Lafreniere
I'm gonna say 1,100.
- [80:04]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, you're actually high this time.
- [80:06]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, that's actually a much lower increase than I expected.
- [80:09]
Linus Sebastian
Seven hundo.
- [80:11]
Luke Lafreniere
I mean, that's obviously absurd, but I. I expected them to just go even harder.
- [80:15]
Linus Sebastian
Dude, that's like freaking wild. It's like a. It's like more than 10x. Oh, actually, I don't know if that's more than 10x because I was shopping for a USB PD like, outlet to put in my wall.
- [80:28]
Luke Lafreniere
Decently expensive.
- [80:29]
Linus Sebastian
And they're. They're pretty expensive.
- [80:30]
Luke Lafreniere
That's why I thought it was gonna be so much more. I'm actually surprised the lift on that is as low as it is.
- [80:35]
Linus Sebastian
Wow, Luke's so out of touch. John Mash says, oh, $700. That's actually a much better deal than I expected.
- [80:40]
Dan
I wonder if that's the bulk deal. If you get 10,000 of them.
- [80:43]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, dude.
- [80:44]
Dan
As low as.
- [80:45]
Linus Sebastian
Who knows?
- [80:46]
Dan
Moq a hundred?
- [80:48]
Linus Sebastian
What?
- [80:49]
Dan
I don't know.
- [80:50]
Linus Sebastian
Did that say?
- [80:50]
Dan
Oh, no, that's.
- [80:53]
Linus Sebastian
That'd be crazy. That'd be crazy.
- [80:56]
Luke Lafreniere
That's all, that's all absurd because, like, how much would.
- [81:01]
Linus Sebastian
Like.
- [81:01]
Luke Lafreniere
I'm just thinking cables because you could just. If you just mounted extensions into like a 3D printed little square. Yeah, it's like 30 bucks.
- [81:19]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, like nothing.
- [81:21]
Luke Lafreniere
Sheesh.
- [81:21]
Linus Sebastian
Wild. This is J. Richie 1984 says this is why experimental aviation is so much less expensive. I can add a USB power outlet to a Vans RV7 for like 30 bucks. I'm not actually familiar with the Vans RV7, so I looked it up and this is it. Popular two seat, single engine, low wing, home built aircraft kit known for its sporty handling and performance. Dude, how is it that, like, I don't know. How is it that I keep discovering stuff this cool that I have never heard of?
- [81:58]
Luke Lafreniere
So if you want, you can buy.
- [81:59]
Linus Sebastian
A kit airplane and fly it. And it's known for its sporty performance. Are you serious right now?
- [82:06]
Luke Lafreniere
If you want some interesting info, and I can't explain why I know this, but it's not for me. I'll put that out there first. BC actually has really fantastic laws for experimental aircraft. They are allowed to be much heavier here than a lot of places in the States. Meaning you can put like better engines and better wings and more fuel than you can in the States. It's a big problem in the States. You. You really get limited by weight really intensely. And our limit is like genuinely, I think like five times higher. Like it's not, it's not a little bit of an increase. It's very substantial. And yeah, they fall under experimentals. I'm trying to look up the BC experiment.
- [82:49]
Linus Sebastian
Like, how much are these standard kits? Okay, hold on. Standard kits. Here we go. This means the fabrication work we do on the kit parts is less than 50% of the total required to complete the aircraft. Oh. That's what makes it a kit. So you have to. Oh, good lord. You have to provide the engine, the prop, the instruments, the avionics, and the upholstery.
- [83:09]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [83:12]
Linus Sebastian
Okay. Standard build kit.
- [83:17]
Luke Lafreniere
That's a plane.
- [83:21]
Linus Sebastian
That's a plane. So that you get this in the mail.
- [83:25]
Luke Lafreniere
Justin can make it.
- [83:27]
Linus Sebastian
That is.
- [83:28]
Dan
Dude, those panels don't even look bent. You have to shape them yourself. Oh, no, you would, you would fold them and rivet them to this, the subframe, wouldn't you? Yeah, we do.
- [83:37]
Linus Sebastian
Not a problem. The small trimming and adjusting jobs which the average home builder in the average shop can do just as well as we can. Okay. Trim, in this context, I think means like. Like. Like adjust the thing so that it, like, flies in a straight line. That's what we mean by trimming. Right.
- [83:56]
Dan
Maybe the panels together.
- [83:58]
Luke Lafreniere
I don't think that's what that means.
- [83:59]
Linus Sebastian
It says we do not do the small trimming and adjusting jobs.
- [84:03]
Dan
That's making the panels stick together.
- [84:05]
Luke Lafreniere
The panels.
- [84:06]
Linus Sebastian
Okay.
- [84:07]
Luke Lafreniere
Trimming the panels. I'm fairly certain.
- [84:10]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, okay. Sure.
- [84:13]
Dan
RV kits are gonna need another garage.
- [84:15]
Linus Sebastian
You'll find we want to continuously improve them. The biggest improvement. Okay, so where's. Where's the price?
- [84:20]
Luke Lafreniere
Trim is an active adjustment you do in flight. That's a normal thing on.
- [84:25]
Linus Sebastian
I'm just saying. I'm just saying you do it yourself. That's all. Kit build aircraft.
- [84:29]
Dan
Okay.
- [84:29]
Linus Sebastian
So RV. RV7 was the one that the person said, here we go. So kit order form. Okay. What do these cost? Like, I have no idea.
- [84:41]
Luke Lafreniere
Throw some stuff in there. Yeah, I can start clicking.
- [84:43]
Linus Sebastian
Okay. Well, I'll need one. Okay. Includes electric aileron trim. Okay.
- [84:48]
Dan
Yeah.
- [84:48]
Luke Lafreniere
Good.
- [84:48]
Linus Sebastian
Wing kit. I'll need wings. Probably. Probably for my aircraft.
- [84:52]
Luke Lafreniere
Could make your own.
- [84:55]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, you can get a quick build. Wing add. Quick build wing. Okay. So this is basically. Oh, yeah. Okay. So that's another, like, five grand. Four grand For. For. For grando. Fuselage kit. I'm. I might need a fuselage.
- [85:11]
Luke Lafreniere
You might need to sit somewhere.
- [85:12]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. I received my center section with my wing kit, so I have possession. Possession of it already. I sure. I guess it comes with my wing kit. I don't need a quick build. I'll build my fuselage. Okay. I want to. Oh, I want a sliding canopy, obviously.
- [85:28]
Luke Lafreniere
Sliding is so sick.
- [85:30]
Linus Sebastian
Obviously. A finishing kit. Whoa. Okay. I mean, spinner type. Okay. Ship to a job. Wow. Okay. Seriously?
- [85:42]
Luke Lafreniere
There you go.
- [85:43]
Linus Sebastian
I mean, I'm sure.
- [85:45]
Luke Lafreniere
Well, you don't have an engine.
- [85:46]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, I'm. I'm sure I'm missing some.
- [85:48]
Luke Lafreniere
You don't have a CE.
- [85:49]
Dan
That was the price today. It was actually 58.
- [85:55]
Luke Lafreniere
That's what you have to pay now.
- [85:56]
Dan
Yeah. Go back and look at the page. The kit.
- [85:59]
Luke Lafreniere
Total amount to pay today. You still don't have an engine?
- [86:05]
Linus Sebastian
No. Okay. But still, like, realistically, I'm up in the air for probably less than, like, my taycan.
- [86:15]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, yeah.
- [86:15]
Linus Sebastian
Like, what does. Like, how fast does one of these fly? Like, is it like, rv? How is this a thing? How do you. How is your business making aircraft? Oh, sorry.
- [86:29]
Luke Lafreniere
So the maximum takeoff weight of 50544 kilograms or 1200 pounds, you can have one or two seats and they must have a stall speed of 39 knots or less.
- [86:39]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, okay.
- [86:40]
Luke Lafreniere
No design standards. That's for ultralight airplanes. But there's like lots of other things going on.
- [86:49]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, was this. Was this plane specifically on there? Don't it. Down, down, down to. Down to. Down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down. Here we go. Oh, no, no, no. I saw the 7 and I thought we were. I thought it was RV7, but it's beach 77 something.
- [87:02]
Luke Lafreniere
But yeah, like down in. Down in the. The America, the. The weight is much lower as far as I know. At least in California, America gets weird about laws because their whole state system thing. So I don't know.
- [87:16]
Linus Sebastian
Okay, so the vans aircraft apparently has a top speed of 350 km an hour, which is something. That is. Man, that is so cool.
- [87:30]
Luke Lafreniere
Okay, what engine is that with though? Because isn't the RV7. Oh, that's. Is that a kit or.
- [87:34]
Linus Sebastian
No, I think you'd probably have to have like a rated max speed of the chassis. Like, you couldn't just put any engine you want on it and go 900km an hour and rip the frigging thing apart.
- [87:44]
Dan
Right.
- [87:45]
Luke Lafreniere
The AI overview seems to think it's legal in Canada.
- [87:49]
Linus Sebastian
That's crazy.
- [87:50]
Luke Lafreniere
Who knows what that means?
- [87:51]
Linus Sebastian
This actually explains something that I have wondered about a lot. Like, dude, Facebook Marketplace is full of airplanes and.
- [88:03]
Luke Lafreniere
Really?
- [88:03]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, dude, dude, airplanes. Because I've told you, like, I trained my Facebook Marketplace algorithm to just show me the wildest stuff. And so I started clicking on like, airplanes for. There's so many aircraft on Facebook Marketplace. And this raises so many questions for me. Why do all these people own aircraft? Why do they buy and sell them on Facebook Marketplace of all places? Like, I just. I couldn't wrap my brain around it.
- [88:30]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, it's totally legal in Canada.
- [88:32]
Linus Sebastian
I had no idea that the pricing for them was this accessible. Like, sure, it's really expensive, but when you compare it to what people will spend on like, you know, a boat or whatever, it's not that different. Whereas I just assumed like, oh, yeah, you know, a car is expensive, a boat is more expensive, and a plane is like, way more expensive. I just. I just thought they were like, way more expensive. But it's like, it's expensive. But yeah, compared to what people might spend on their boat and all of their, you know, like water skiing gear or, you know, whatever. Right. Like, sure. Cool. What are we supposed to be talking about? Why don't we do sponsors?
- [89:17]
Luke Lafreniere
Hold on. I found you an engine.
- [89:19]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, yeah?
- [89:19]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [89:20]
Linus Sebastian
Okay, what am I gonna. What am I gonna pay for it? It's a light homing engine.
- [89:25]
Luke Lafreniere
I'm not seeing a. Oh.
- [89:29]
Linus Sebastian
100 grand?
- [89:30]
Luke Lafreniere
Yep. That's the most powerful engine I could find. That works in that.
- [89:33]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, you could get a rebuilt one for like 55 grand. Dude, you could totally be in the air for like Taycan price.
- [89:39]
Luke Lafreniere
215 horsepower.
- [89:40]
Linus Sebastian
I say do it.
- [89:41]
Luke Lafreniere
210 to 215 horsepower. This is not. This is not me. I'm not doing this.
- [89:47]
Linus Sebastian
You're not doing this.
- [89:48]
Luke Lafreniere
No. I know this stuff because of someone else. Not me.
- [89:51]
Linus Sebastian
I bet. I bet. I bet Luke's getting into aviation. No, that's that.
- [89:56]
Luke Lafreniere
I'd love to.
- [89:57]
Linus Sebastian
He runs a site called Float Plane and he just couldn't handle it anymore.
- [90:00]
Luke Lafreniere
See, that's the problem. This wouldn't work for me because I can't land on water.
- [90:04]
Dan
So I could put you in touch with my old neighbor who used to get crashed out float planes and rebuild them and then fly them. And that is not a made up anecdote. That is real.
- [90:13]
Linus Sebastian
Why do you always know a guy? Literally?
- [90:15]
Dan
I've had a very exciting life. I've told you about him before.
- [90:19]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, I think you have. Yeah. But. Yeah, I'm sure there's some other one. But from like, literally two minutes of research, that's the most powerful engine that fits in the RV7.
- [90:29]
Dan
I mean, he was excited that he found a replacement plastic light cover and it was only US$80. It's about the size of like, less than your fist.
- [90:39]
Luke Lafreniere
How happy would he be with 3D printing now? Because I think with these experimentals, it.
- [90:42]
Dan
Would not be rated for flight.
- [90:44]
Luke Lafreniere
But.
- [90:45]
Dan
But I mean, these were. These were like planes.
- [90:47]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, yeah, yeah. We're still in the. Oh, maybe the RV7 is a plane plane.
- [90:52]
Dan
Because I was wondering maybe you could get like a crashed out float plane, fix it, get it reclassified and certified as a experimental, and then you'd have a flow plane for, you know, a couple hundred thousand dollars.
- [91:03]
Linus Sebastian
That's still a lot of money, though.
- [91:04]
Luke Lafreniere
I also wonder how often would you fly it?
- [91:07]
Dan
Years of time to reassemble it yourself.
- [91:09]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. So the RV7 is technically considered an experimental aircraft.
- [91:13]
Dan
Yeah. I wonder what it would take to get something reclassified as experimental. Ooh, do you just scream it?
- [91:20]
Luke Lafreniere
You'd have to substantially rebuild and fit within the requirements like the weight limits and stuff like that.
- [91:25]
Dan
Does it have to be built from nothing?
- [91:27]
Luke Lafreniere
Dealing with plane pontoons, retro limits might be a little difficult.
- [91:32]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, I don't know. Sorry, I'm just signing into Facebook to show you guys all of the airplanes.
- [91:41]
Luke Lafreniere
Not that I'm not enjoying it thoroughly. What topic is this? Was this a merchandise?
- [91:48]
Dan
I don't know topic? Yeah.
- [91:49]
Linus Sebastian
What even is the show, Luke? It doesn't matter.
- [91:51]
Luke Lafreniere
Here.
- [91:51]
Dan
This was you talking about Starlink. I have. I've just stopped trying to pull you back on top.
- [92:01]
Luke Lafreniere
There's no point.
- [92:02]
Dan
It's better we got it in sponsors.
- [92:04]
Luke Lafreniere
Though at some point.
- [92:06]
Dan
At some point. But we gotta. We got a stall so Linus can sign into his Facebook account after go through prices. Yeah, well, I mean this guy basically, he had like five acres behind us and he basically had a double airplane hanger on his property to rebuild the in.
- [92:22]
Luke Lafreniere
How insane would it be to just take the wings off and park it at your house?
- [92:27]
Dan
Some of them actually do have foldable wings. They fold up or you can take them off.
- [92:32]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, that's a flipped over truck. Is that for sale?
- [92:35]
Linus Sebastian
Are these Hummels doing what I think they're doing? No, they're not.
- [92:41]
Luke Lafreniere
I didn't see that at first.
- [92:45]
Linus Sebastian
Is that.
- [92:46]
Dan
Is that the pool mobile from the Simpsons?
- [92:49]
Linus Sebastian
It's a truck. It's a tra.
- [92:51]
Dan
What? Oh, I thought it was a pool.
- [92:54]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, it looked like a pool.
- [92:58]
Luke Lafreniere
I want this.
- [92:59]
Linus Sebastian
Dude, my face. My face.
- [93:01]
Luke Lafreniere
Look at the Jeep. Look at the flip. Please. What's that?
- [93:07]
Dan
Thousand dollar Jeep. I gotta know. Wow.
- [93:11]
Luke Lafreniere
Actually you put some body kits on those Jaguar F types and they look sick. Just saying. I don't like them by default.
- [93:17]
Dan
Do you have to go get it yourself?
- [93:19]
Linus Sebastian
Thousand kilometers.
- [93:20]
Luke Lafreniere
It's flipped over.
- [93:21]
Linus Sebastian
Delete if not. Okay.
- [93:26]
Dan
One picture. You just have to go get it yourself.
- [93:29]
Luke Lafreniere
It is literally just one picture. That's amazing.
- [93:31]
Linus Sebastian
That's it. You just. Yeah, you just go get it? I guess. Dude, I told you. I told you.
- [93:36]
Dan
This is unbelievable.
- [93:40]
Linus Sebastian
I trained my Facebook, Facebook marketplace to be just the wildest stuff.
- [93:44]
Dan
I would pay money for that.
- [93:45]
Luke Lafreniere
I wish you could import someone's like algorithm training commercial. That would be so cool.
- [93:50]
Dan
Oh my God.
- [93:51]
Linus Sebastian
What is that?
- [93:53]
Luke Lafreniere
Look at this.
- [93:54]
Dan
Definitely not creepy monkey.
- [93:57]
Luke Lafreniere
$50.
- [94:01]
Linus Sebastian
Probably collectible. Probably not, man.
- [94:06]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh my goodness.
- [94:08]
Linus Sebastian
Oh man.
- [94:10]
Luke Lafreniere
Just incredibly weird things and then like. Yeah, really expensive cars.
- [94:15]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, yeah. Oh man.
- [94:18]
Luke Lafreniere
This is great home business. It just shows like candy stuff.
- [94:21]
Linus Sebastian
Here's an original series tricorder, functional prop replica cuz. Yeah, that makes sense for me to be shopping for. I guess. Here's some stuff from Scrapyard Wars. No, Spoilers, though. No, there's a 3D LED dance floor. Sure, I'll take two.
- [94:41]
Dan
What is happening?
- [94:43]
Linus Sebastian
What the heck?
- [94:44]
Luke Lafreniere
At least, you know, at least they put up a real price for it. Yeah, I'll give them that.
- [94:48]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, to their credit, they did. They did do that. They did do that.
- [94:51]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, OG McDonald's stuff. I don't like that.
- [94:58]
Dan
I want to do some clown whippets. No, thank you.
- [95:01]
Linus Sebastian
Oh my God. Do you want a nacho and cheese warmer?
- [95:08]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, my goodness.
- [95:09]
Linus Sebastian
Anyway. Anyway.
- [95:11]
Dan
Oh, I thought it was ranch.
- [95:14]
Linus Sebastian
Anyway, airplanes. No, I forgot. I forget what airplanes are under. Okay, so here, here, here. I'll show you. I'll show you. You wouldn't believe how many planes are on Facebook Marketplace. Like, here's just. Here's just a casual float plane, dude.
- [95:30]
Luke Lafreniere
Like people put up.
- [95:31]
Dan
Oh, beaver's a classic.
- [95:32]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, yeah, buddy.
- [95:34]
Dan
Oh, hell yeah.
- [95:35]
Luke Lafreniere
It's like the first time cars were listed on ebay. Like, who's listing a six hundred thousand dollar plane on Facebook?
- [95:40]
Linus Sebastian
Love me a good beaver, you know, that's so wild. Why would I put it.
- [95:45]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh my goodness. Dude, dude. What a reupholster that.
- [95:49]
Linus Sebastian
What a choice. What a choice.
- [95:52]
Luke Lafreniere
You could ride your Harley to the dock. I'm super into ride your Harley plane through the sky.
- [95:57]
Linus Sebastian
Pontoon planes and loud motorcycles. Oh, dude, dude, dude. Float plane 160k. Let's go in Maple Ridge BC. Why do they have this air? Why?
- [96:14]
Dan
Well, the thing is, what the cool thing about having a float plane is you just drive it on the water and then you can take off whenever you want.
- [96:20]
Linus Sebastian
I mean, in fairness, some of these are.
- [96:22]
Luke Lafreniere
Thanks, Dan.
- [96:24]
Linus Sebastian
Some of these are obviously like fake.
- [96:26]
Dan
It makes it cheaper. You don't have to store it in a airport.
- [96:29]
Linus Sebastian
Like, you can't call this a biplane if it goes three different ways. Oh, here. Fixed wing, ultralight. Can I interest you in an eighteen hundred dollar aircraft from Hundred Mile House? Would you get in this? No. Is that you do your trimming look.
- [96:54]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [96:56]
Linus Sebastian
Needs some tlc.
- [96:58]
Dan
Just needs a tune, bro. Just needs a tune. Oh my God.
- [97:02]
Linus Sebastian
Oh my God. But yeah, like, dude, you could be flying. You could be flying an aircraft for. Okay, hold on.
- [97:09]
Luke Lafreniere
That's so cheap.
- [97:10]
Linus Sebastian
Nose actuator rod broke. Attachment point to downlock torn off. Okay, then all this one needs some work. Okay, let's find that. Let's find the cheapest one functional plane that just like is ready to fly. Beautiful, well built, great reputation. USD $65,000. You could literally pick this up in like 30 minutes and it Works apparently. Like, is that crazy or what?
- [97:36]
Luke Lafreniere
That is pretty nuts.
- [97:38]
Linus Sebastian
That's like 60.65k, US$65,000. You are in an airplane. Now, obviously, this is. This is like what I was saying.
- [97:45]
Luke Lafreniere
I don't know if I want a $65,000.
- [97:47]
Linus Sebastian
No, that's fair enough. But this is like what I was talking to you about a while back with that, like that, that lead on the gamer jet, where I was like, I guarantee you it's way cheaper than you think. And you were like, nah. And I was like, yeah, it's. It seats nine and it's a million dollars. And you were like, what? So with this and with that, it's very weird. The truth is the. The bulk of the cost is in the operating of it. Yeah, you got to have the hanger you got. Unless you. Unless you're working on it yourself. Unless you're even allowed to work on it yourself, which for the experimental ones, I guess you'd be able to. But for like a commercial one, I don't know.
- [98:22]
Luke Lafreniere
The cost per hour of flying them is insane.
- [98:24]
Linus Sebastian
The engineering, the fuel. But anyway, I just. I got. I got a kick out of the fact that you can get a functioning airplane for US$65,000, like literally less than a cyber truck. And you would look like way less of a tool.
- [98:43]
Luke Lafreniere
You could, like, take it off. Off the back of the cybertruck.
- [98:45]
Linus Sebastian
Dude, don't give people ideas like that. You know they'll want.
- [98:48]
Luke Lafreniere
If you drive the cybertruck fast enough down the road, does the plane break through the top of the cybertruck before you get off the end?
- [99:02]
Linus Sebastian
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Luke Lafreniere
I'm trying to figure that out. The actions in the background seem pretty unbelievable.
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Linus Sebastian
No, I think it's real.
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Luke Lafreniere
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Linus Sebastian
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Luke Lafreniere
I'm so skeptical of everything now.
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Linus Sebastian
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- [101:39]
Luke Lafreniere
Say the edit really made it feel not that awkward.
- [101:42]
Linus Sebastian
It was. It was really awkward in a bad way for probably the first like hour and a half of the shoot.
- [101:51]
Luke Lafreniere
Bad way.
- [101:52]
Linus Sebastian
And then it got way more awkward and it came full circle to, in a good way for the rest of the shoot. It was a lot of fun.
- [102:00]
Dan
We.
- [102:01]
Linus Sebastian
We had a total blast. Natalie's upgrade? Oh, well, no, it was. It was all on me, like 100%. Like sometimes I just blurt things out and I don't know if they're gonna work. And sometimes the stuff I say is super weird. And then I'm just like, yeah, we should probably cut that in the edit.
- [102:19]
Luke Lafreniere
The piano joke was genuinely like, probably one of your. Your best pun jokes ever made. Like it got me pretty good.
- [102:31]
Linus Sebastian
It got me. I couldn't even do the delivery of it.
- [102:33]
Luke Lafreniere
It was genuinely very good.
- [102:36]
Linus Sebastian
I was just like, okay, so if you haven't seen the video, I was. I was un. I was unpacking like, this. This keyboard, and I was like, okay, everyone, how do you know this is the best instrument? The number one? Oh, man. I flubbed it.
- [103:00]
Luke Lafreniere
You did?
- [103:00]
Linus Sebastian
I flubbed the setup. How do you know this is the number one instrument?
- [103:04]
Luke Lafreniere
How?
- [103:06]
Linus Sebastian
Well, they don't call it a poo ano, which apparently didn't land with a lot of people because they don't have, like, number one for pee, number two for have to go poo, like, for little kids. But to everyone here, it made sense.
- [103:20]
Luke Lafreniere
I thought it was really funny.
- [103:22]
Linus Sebastian
I assure you, it made sense. Anyway, it was a lot of fun. And as always, AMD are the ones making it possible. And like with every upgrade, AMD has a giveaway to go along with it. This time, they're giving away one of two Sapphire Nitro plus AMD Radeon RX9070 XT GPUs. And you can enter today by clicking on our link in the video description. But hurry, there's only a few days left. All right. Yeah. What do you want to talk about? Should we find some good news?
- [104:00]
Luke Lafreniere
What do we got?
- [104:02]
Linus Sebastian
Not much. Oh, we have Microsoft adding a free option to Windows 10 Extended Security Updates program.
- [104:08]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. Windows 10 users have a new option to. To receive security updates beyond the October 2025 end of life. The previously announced ESU program allows users to pay $30 or. And I think this is the free option. 1,000 Microsoft reward points.
- [104:25]
Linus Sebastian
No, no, that's one of the old paid options. Oh, yeah. And that would give you an additional year of Windows 10 security updates, making it safe to keep using, I guess.
- [104:34]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. The new third option requires users to sync their PC settings to OneDrive via a Microsoft account using the Windows Backup app. And presumably giving up some privacy in return for updates. Oh, this is very. Judging from the enrollment screenshot, PC settings may also include installed apps and credentials.
- [104:57]
Linus Sebastian
Pretty interesting. So we've talked a fair bit. In fact, we had a video, I think, on techquickie Linus Windows Free, about how Windows is effectively. Yeah, here we go. So this tech Quickie video from five years ago is, like, why Windows is free now. It's not free. But it's clear that Microsoft's efforts from the late 90s and the 2000s to prevent people actively, like, aggressively prevent people from pirating Windows have been discontinued. For ages at this point. You literally can go to Microsoft's website, download a Windows ISO and install it on a computer and just say I don't have a product key and run Windows. And it will. As far as I can tell, other than not letting you set some personalization options background. And you can still set a background by just right clicking an image and then setting as desktop background.
- [105:58]
Luke Lafreniere
It doesn't block you.
- [105:59]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, you just can't do it in the personalization menu unless that workaround has been patched or whatever. But the point is they just clearly don't really care. And I think this is yet another illustration that they just don't care. Like, you could have an old Windows license that you've upgraded to Windows 10, that they would offer to upgrade you to Windows 11 if you met the hardware requirements. And now they're basically even saying, okay, forget it, don't even bother with the hardware requirements. You can stay on Windows 10. Just please, please, please, please, please have a Microsoft account. Because at the end of the day, Microsoft is going the direction of basically everybody else where it's free to use. And you give up your privacy. Yeah. You give up your data in return. So what would you do? Right, because your choices. Linux is not an answer. Hold on, hold on.
- [106:52]
Luke Lafreniere
Why is Linux not an answer?
- [106:54]
Linus Sebastian
Linux is not an answer because.
- [106:55]
Luke Lafreniere
Because there's whole government switching over to right now.
- [106:57]
Linus Sebastian
Because you, your friends play a game that has kernel level anti cheat there. That's why. So what would you do? You're running Windows 10 because you like, like Windows 10 better and Windows 11 is bad. You would, I would never under any Circumstances run Windows 11 because you're a Giga Chad like DOS Dude 1. Okay. Your options are run it without security updates, Upgrade to Windows 11 or sign into your Microsoft account and sync all your stuff. Let's say Those are your three options. Which would you take?
- [107:29]
Luke Lafreniere
Windows 11. You would just go Windows 11 and just pirate it. Oh, and then do customizations.
- [107:38]
Linus Sebastian
Okay. I didn't give you those options though. So you're. You play.
- [107:41]
Luke Lafreniere
But I'm a kid, so I have gained the option of pirating it. You said I'm a kid. Going back to when I was a kid, that was a, a low bar to walk over. Like didn't require a hop. You had to step up a little bit.
- [107:59]
Linus Sebastian
Okay. People are questioning what DOS Dude 1 is. DOS Dude 1 is not a what? DOS Dude 1 is a man. And we did a collab with him recently upgrading the storage on a MacBook. It was super Cool. You guys are definitely gonna want to check that out. Okay. I mean, yeah, I'd. I think we are long overdue.
- [108:22]
Luke Lafreniere
I don't want no security updates on my operating system.
- [108:24]
Linus Sebastian
No, I think we're long overdue for, like, a deep loading Windows episode because there's.
- [108:31]
Luke Lafreniere
Do you remember the Windows 9 thing?
- [108:33]
Linus Sebastian
I do.
- [108:33]
Luke Lafreniere
That guy reached out recently.
- [108:35]
Linus Sebastian
Really?
- [108:35]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [108:36]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, interesting. Yeah, I'd be. I'd be down to do another.
- [108:39]
Luke Lafreniere
Like, apparently he's still doing stuff.
- [108:40]
Linus Sebastian
Debloat your Windows.
- [108:42]
Luke Lafreniere
Let me. I don't have an easy way to access the message now, but.
- [108:47]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, that's okay. Dan will email you a reminder. I don't think Merch message dashboard is like, super, super busy tonight. Think he's good that. Okay, Dan, thank you.
- [108:59]
Luke Lafreniere
Don't email it, though. Thank you. Thank you.
- [109:04]
Linus Sebastian
That's a weird way to put it.
- [109:07]
Luke Lafreniere
Well, no, he just.
- [109:07]
Linus Sebastian
I want to do a poll. I want to. I want to hear from the people, and I'm not giving them a custom option. Dan, can we make a poll? So Windows 10 raw dog, Windows 10 signed in, and Windows 11, those are the only options. So you have to pick one of those three options.
- [109:26]
Luke Lafreniere
So do you have to buy Windows 11?
- [109:29]
Linus Sebastian
No. Because I assume that you can upgrade to it. Let's say you can Upgrade to Windows 11.
- [109:34]
Dan
Windows 10 raw dog.
- [109:35]
Linus Sebastian
Yep. Windows 10 signed in and Windows 11. Okay, I want to know which one. All right, we're hitting floatplane with a poll.
- [109:47]
Luke Lafreniere
It's not Windows 10 signed in. It's Windows 10 with your PC settings shared.
- [109:50]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. Yeah. So what we talked about, like, synchronizing all your crap.
- [109:54]
Luke Lafreniere
I'm just saying it's more than signed in.
- [109:56]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. Okay.
- [109:59]
Dan
Live.
- [109:59]
Linus Sebastian
Okay, here we go. Here come the results. Oh, for crying out loud. I will find a way to do this. Hey, look at that. Oh, my God. Good software. Microsoft. What is happening right now?
- [110:10]
Dan
We need to get power toys on that laptop.
- [110:14]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, Most people. We've got 70% of the vote right now on Windows 11.
- [110:17]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. They're just like, okay, forget it. I'll do it. So, I mean, this is how. This is how they eventually get you.
- [110:23]
Dan
I mean, I remember Windows 10 raw dog.
- [110:25]
Luke Lafreniere
For me, I suspect the Windows 10.
- [110:26]
Dan
Raw dog people are like me. You have problems.
- [110:32]
Luke Lafreniere
Would you actually. You'd go, no security updates.
- [110:34]
Dan
Oh, yeah.
- [110:35]
Linus Sebastian
Instead of going to Windows 11, then.
- [110:37]
Dan
When Windows 12 comes out, because it's the next one after the one that's.
- [110:40]
Linus Sebastian
Missed, it's going to be even more. Dude, there's no way that Windows 12 is actually, good.
- [110:45]
Dan
I'm using Windows Updates. I'm using Windows 11 on this computer and my workstation. And maybe I don't hate it as much because when it first came out, I didn't know how to neuter it. And now I know how to neuter it. And so now it's okay.
- [110:56]
Luke Lafreniere
Are you going to access the Windows updates despite not supposedly being able to? Is that your plan? Are you actually just going. No security.
- [111:08]
Dan
My dad still uses Windows 7. Like, why? Because he doesn't like the new ones.
- [111:16]
Linus Sebastian
But it doesn't matter, though.
- [111:18]
Dan
I don't like Windows 11 very much. I mean, he doesn't like Windows 10. I keep telling him, do Windows 10?
- [111:24]
Linus Sebastian
Here's my question, though. Like, I recently did a switch to Mac challenge, and for the first couple of days I hated my life. And then it just didn't matter. Like, I don't use my operating system.
- [111:35]
Luke Lafreniere
Windows 10 is, in my opinion the most. It doesn't matter. Operating system. Microsoft has made sure.
- [111:41]
Linus Sebastian
But, like, it just doesn't matter. At any point be just any of them. They just. I don't know, man. They just. They don't really matter that much.
- [111:49]
Luke Lafreniere
I even try new features.
- [111:51]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah.
- [111:52]
Luke Lafreniere
And they just, in my opinion, aren't very good. So then I just don't use them. So I just don't really use the Microsoft stuff that comes from the operating system. And it's fine. Like, they have this new. Is it on this one, they have this panel when you open the Start menu that is like, you can use Microsoft Link and link your phone. Except it like, kind of sucks.
- [112:15]
Linus Sebastian
You know what? Maybe part of my thing is that I just have my, like, adblock built into my brain. I don't even notice a lot of the annoying things about.
- [112:22]
Luke Lafreniere
When that one was a major change, it. It added a whole extra.
- [112:26]
Linus Sebastian
Like, was this on Windows 10?
- [112:28]
Luke Lafreniere
Windows 11?
- [112:29]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, this is on Windows 11.
- [112:30]
Luke Lafreniere
It didn't happen to this computer though. So, like, I don't know.
- [112:34]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, I don't know.
- [112:34]
Dan
Why did they make the Start menu worse?
- [112:37]
Luke Lafreniere
I mean, but you can fix that.
- [112:39]
Dan
I mean, yeah. I mean, I learned how to fix everything. So now it's like, okay, you can.
- [112:43]
Luke Lafreniere
Do that in Windows 11 and have security updates.
- [112:45]
Dan
That's what I mean. That's what I mean.
- [112:47]
Linus Sebastian
Like, so then what Luke's asking is, why would you go Windows 10 raw dog?
- [112:51]
Luke Lafreniere
I'm surprised you would just be like, I'll just have no security. And if there's a massive Windows 10 vulnerability, I don't believe it is able to be tackled by roaming the Internet bot things. I'll just get wrecked. I'm surprised by that answer, Dan.
- [113:07]
Dan
At work? No, at home.
- [113:10]
Linus Sebastian
Good.
- [113:10]
Dan
I let my dad use Windows 7. Ah. I'd use Windows XP.
- [113:19]
Linus Sebastian
Okay.
- [113:19]
Dan
Can't you just like if I still could.
- [113:21]
Linus Sebastian
What's the equivalent of like window blinds these days? Like can you just window blinds windows 11 to windows 7 and then have him not notice? Like couldn't you just do that?
- [113:29]
Dan
No, there's a functionality thing. Like the split functionality, the split between Control Panel and like the new settings menu is getting more split in Windows 11. There's just some proclivities that I don't particularly like.
- [113:41]
Linus Sebastian
But what does your dad do with any of that stuff? Come on. How often does your dad go into the Control Panel?
- [113:45]
Dan
I don't know. He browses Google Chrome. Why does, why does he need security updates? Like we don't care. Is this really a problem for people? Like do they care that much about security updates?
- [114:00]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean maybe part of it is me being traumatized by like Blaster back in the day. Do you remember when you couldn't so much as install Windows XP and make it to the desktop? If you had like a network, an active network connection before, your entire computer would just be taken over by just bots that are just finding any connected PC on the Internet and infecting them.
- [114:28]
Dan
Maybe that's because. Maybe because the pair of us like lived through that and we're just like, eh, it's fine. We've dealt with this.
- [114:35]
Linus Sebastian
Why would that be the takeaway that was. It wasn't fine. You couldn't even use the computer because.
- [114:40]
Dan
We'Ve always been fine.
- [114:41]
Linus Sebastian
I don't know.
- [114:45]
Dan
This is like the XY thing all over again.
- [114:48]
Linus Sebastian
I think we should move on. I'm going to move on.
- [114:51]
Luke Lafreniere
My guess was that most people that voted for that category were people that are leaning towards or already in the Linux camp.
- [114:58]
Linus Sebastian
That makes sense.
- [114:59]
Dan
Yeah. I would not expect most people to vote for no security updates. No, no they didn't.
- [115:04]
Luke Lafreniere
But like 22. I think it was 22% did.
- [115:07]
Dan
Yeah, it was quite high. Like.
- [115:11]
Luke Lafreniere
You and I, you shouldn't. People just leaning towards abandoning you.
- [115:14]
Dan
Shouldn't be me because there's a lot of.
- [115:17]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, I've been trying to get more and more used to alternatives.
- [115:22]
Dan
You shouldn't work on that. An operating system enough to do what me and my father do. My father and I do.
- [115:28]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. Like your dad should honestly just use Linux.
- [115:32]
Dan
Yeah, he actually dual builds Mint.
- [115:34]
Luke Lafreniere
Why is he Even dual boot. Why, why, why?
- [115:37]
Linus Sebastian
How does Windows 7 make sense here?
- [115:40]
Dan
Some program compatibility. I mean, he could triple boot or.
- [115:44]
Linus Sebastian
He could run a vm.
- [115:46]
Dan
Yeah, that sounds like effort. It's just easier to run Windows 7.
- [115:49]
Luke Lafreniere
It doesn't.
- [115:52]
Linus Sebastian
No. I'm moving on. Cloudflare is changing the rules of the Internet. Cloudflare has announced that is now blocking AI crawlers by default and is introducing a new pay per crawl model in which AI services can pay content creators to allow their content to be crawled. Cloudflare infrastructure and services are utilized by almost a quarter of the Internet. And bots and crawling traffic can significantly increase the costs of running websites. And recent studies have found that more than 50% of Internet traffic is AI bot driven in 2025, with projections anticipating a rise to 90% by the end of the decade.
- [116:33]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, the Internet's fake.
- [116:35]
Linus Sebastian
What? Yeah, half.
- [116:37]
Luke Lafreniere
I've known this for a while.
- [116:38]
Linus Sebastian
I did not know that. I did not know it was that high.
- [116:40]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, Dead Internet theory stuff is like.
- [116:44]
Linus Sebastian
Pretty real, like half of Internet traffic.
- [116:47]
Luke Lafreniere
Well, yeah, because I'm not even talking about Internet traffic. I'm talking about Internet interaction right now. Internet traffic. That's not surprising to me, literally at all. The Internet interaction though, if you spend some time on like the, the dumb one letter website and you actually like actually dive into replies and actually read stuff, it's painful. So much of it is fake.
- [117:11]
Linus Sebastian
It's painful.
- [117:12]
Luke Lafreniere
Crazy. Even YouTube comments these days. Incredible amount of like back in the day it'd be like Ben in his tank or whatever that weird thing was. Y lot of spam.
- [117:23]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. Click my PC stuff like that. Yeah, lots of that.
- [117:26]
Luke Lafreniere
But these days there's a ton of Bob.
- [117:30]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, Bob's Tank Army.
- [117:31]
Luke Lafreniere
Bob's Tank Army. That was it. There's a ton of fake ones now. It's weird. It's odd. Watching them get in loops of talking to each other is entertaining too. It's like, oh, this like random tweet or whatever has like a billion comments and we don't know why. And then you see that there's one comment with a reply to it and they just keep replying to each other for like ever. Okay.
- [117:54]
Linus Sebastian
Cloudflare says that site publishers will have full control over the AI blocking and the paper crawl settings, while AI services will be able to choose if they want to pay the crawling prices set by the publishers. The feature is currently in private beta and Cloudflare customers can apply for early access. Our discussion question then is how do you think LMG will utilize these new features? And go.
- [118:20]
Luke Lafreniere
We signed up for the beta. We're not in it yet, but we signed up for the beta just to kind of see what's going on. It's interesting. I think there are downsides to things like this. It's not like search companies aren't going to be aware of who's turning this on and it's not like search companies wouldn't be able to hurt your searchability. Not only do I think it's possible, I think it's so likely that it's close to guaranteed that that would happen. That's my vibe check right now. I don't technically know, but I really think that would be a thing. It'd be very, very easy for them to do in regards to impacting page.
- [118:55]
Linus Sebastian
Rank, however, I mean they can't. They can't drank everyone and Cloudflare is enabling it by default.
- [119:06]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, I think there's also like. I think there's a lot of interesting bits. Like if you block crawlers on your website because you're like, you know, the three, one millionth of a cent that I'm gonna get per crawler interaction is not worth the money. I'd rather people just actually come to my website. If you do that, it also opens up a really weird gambit where people could prop up a website that just copies your stuff and then they allow crawlers to come for a fee, whatever else. There's a lot of like, this is. I think this is a good route to be very clear, but this is gonna start a very weird interact. Conrad, stop. This is gonna. I don't know what he's doing. This is gonna start some really, some really weird interactions on the Internet of how things work. Now to be clear, I do not think this like AI summary. No one ever asked to click on a website again. Garbage is a good idea.
- [120:10]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. It's not sustainable.
- [120:11]
Luke Lafreniere
So we need something.
- [120:12]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah.
- [120:12]
Luke Lafreniere
If this works, awesome.
- [120:14]
Linus Sebastian
But this could have unintended consequences, I.
- [120:16]
Luke Lafreniere
Guess is what practically everything has unintended consequences.
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Linus Sebastian
Anything can be gamed.
- [120:19]
Luke Lafreniere
Yes. And this will attempted to be. This will. People will attempt to game this.
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Linus Sebastian
And I don't know. What's interesting to me, I guess is that this might just be too little too late. Most of the clean training data is already out there. Like I've heard that companies are basically like guarding. They're uncontaminated by, you know, just AI contributions, actual human generated training data which man could have really fascinating implications for like the evolution of communication because the way that we communicate with each other are slang and our grammar, it changes and evolves over time. But if we've got these time capsules that we use to train AIs and people are effectively using AIs to process information and send it to each other, I do wonder if there's going to be like a stagnation there.
- [121:12]
Luke Lafreniere
You know how right now there's a fairly dramatic difference between written word and spoken word?
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Linus Sebastian
I don't know, is there?
- [121:20]
Luke Lafreniere
I think so.
- [121:20]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, okay, sure, I'll buy it.
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Luke Lafreniere
You and I are not very good use cases for this because I think we often just write how we talk. But for a lot of people there is an actually pretty substantial gap between how they write and how they talk.
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Linus Sebastian
I'm bringing up a text chat. Okay. Who's someone I talk to? Nope. 2x rated. Okay, okay, okay. So, so here's, here's a. Yeah, no, I think I basically just write how I talk. So this is to one of the writers off hours. I said one attempt. I said one attempt. Well, no, but we're just chatting in text.
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Luke Lafreniere
I know, but you're giving an example of another person who is through their work highly incentivized to write how they talk.
- [122:16]
Linus Sebastian
I mean.
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Luke Lafreniere
Got it.
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Linus Sebastian
Yeah. They don't care. So I said one attempt adds a ton of scope at a time when we are objectively very busy. Send it away to expert and test can be done in an afternoon. Around with the tormach is a day shoot. We can hash this out during work hours though. Hope your evening is good. Sorry for the slow reply. V Busy today. So I guess I'm a little bit more point form in text, but yeah, pretty similar. Like, what do you mean? Like how different are you thinking things.
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Luke Lafreniere
Are for a substantial amount of people? It's like very different. Like they'll use, you know, they'll sometimes use different language. Someone's saying professional communication. Yeah, but this happens in non professional settings as well. This is like a thing, man.
- [123:06]
Linus Sebastian
Who do I talk to non professionally? I don't have a social life, man. I got nothing.
- [123:15]
Luke Lafreniere
Let me see.
- [123:23]
Linus Sebastian
Okay, what are you looking at?
- [123:27]
Luke Lafreniere
Trying to not use the AI summary at any rate.
- [123:29]
Linus Sebastian
The, the non. The non contaminated stuff is basically where I was going with that is the non contaminated source data for training is pretty much maximized now you kind of can't get uncontaminated new data. So I do wonder how much this is even going to slow down the actual training of AI models. Probably, probably not at all. But this could maybe slow down their intake of new information. But even then like yeah.
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Luke Lafreniere
Because there's extremely valuable companies currently popping up and their entire argument is that they have clean training data instead of junk training data, and that's off of data that's already out there. A massive percentage of the Internet has been farmed.
- [124:20]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. I mean, it hasn't just all of it.
- [124:26]
Luke Lafreniere
That's a tough thing to say, but likely.
- [124:28]
Linus Sebastian
Probably.
- [124:29]
Luke Lafreniere
But the one kind of saving grace is if we're going to look at sites like House Fresh, new products are going to come out.
- [124:38]
Linus Sebastian
Sure.
- [124:39]
Luke Lafreniere
So, like, you would still need to crawl a site like House Fresh if you want to have up to date product recommendations.
- [124:45]
Linus Sebastian
So for those of you who haven't watched everyone show ever, House Fresh is an air Purifier specialist reviewer and we collaborated with them recently on some of the challenges that they've faced around being pressured by air purifier manufacturers to change their reveal and also pressure that they're under financially from the decoupling of impressions and clicks that has taken place over the last little while where people are getting the. They're getting an impression for House Fresh but they're not clicking through to see an error purifier review because there's like an AI summary and they just don't have to. So, yeah, they wouldn't be able to get. Get information on new pages, but I just wonder if they'll care. I mean, the aisle.
- [125:38]
Luke Lafreniere
And it also starts an arms race.
- [125:41]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. We're just kicking off another crawlers versus anti crawler technology. I mean, if anyone's gonna keep out ahead of it at Cloudflare. I mean, if they can handle ddos on a massive scale the way that they do, that's a pretty. That's a pretty dedicated bunch.
- [125:58]
Luke Lafreniere
They're the right team to be in front of it. We're not sponsored by Cloudflare.
- [126:02]
Linus Sebastian
Have we ever done anything with them?
- [126:04]
Luke Lafreniere
Don't think so.
- [126:04]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, yeah.
- [126:05]
Luke Lafreniere
I mean, maybe yet.
- [126:07]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, we'd be open to. I'd be open to it. I'm open to it.
- [126:10]
Luke Lafreniere
We've been working with them.
- [126:11]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. In some capacity or another incredibly long time. Quite a long time. Good luck, Cloudflare. We're actually rooting for you on this one.
- [126:21]
Luke Lafreniere
Big time.
- [126:21]
Linus Sebastian
Yep.
- [126:23]
Luke Lafreniere
Big time. Big time. Big time.
- [126:24]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, we have another announcement on the content side for Float Plane. I don't know where that was supposed to transition from. Cool. You can check out my 44 minute sit down discussion with Taryn. Do you want to. Do you want to bring it up maybe?
- [126:40]
Luke Lafreniere
Sure.
- [126:41]
Linus Sebastian
Okay. We. Yeah, cool. We talk about a lot of things like some high level company stuff like what the he's been doing so far because viewers don't really see most of what he's doing or what he's done since starting two years ago. We also talked about how after Yvonne met Taran formerly she said I have a type, which was a weird thing to hear. It's not our most liked video, but it is our most viewed video by far. Ahead even of the Smash Champs grand opening video. How do we know that? Do we have a view counter now? Since when.
- [127:21]
Luke Lafreniere
We have a ways to. No, no, it's not there.
- [127:23]
Linus Sebastian
So it's not on there.
- [127:24]
Luke Lafreniere
No.
- [127:24]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, it's a good like dislike ratio though. People seem to like it.
- [127:26]
Luke Lafreniere
Yep.
- [127:27]
Linus Sebastian
Okay.
- [127:28]
Luke Lafreniere
We have ways of getting information.
- [127:30]
Linus Sebastian
Well, how do we. How do we know are people. Is it just. Does it just seem very viewed because everyone's archiving it because they're worried it'll be taken down or like.
- [127:37]
Luke Lafreniere
No, no, no. It's. There's. Our view counts are not accurate because technically everyone's view counts are guesses and we just haven't invested literally anything in guessing accurately. But we guess similarly all the time.
- [127:53]
Dan
I see, so.
- [127:54]
Linus Sebastian
So it's comparable to our own stuff.
- [127:56]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [127:57]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, okay.
- [127:58]
Luke Lafreniere
So like we know that you know, but like. Yeah, the exact number that we have is not accurate. But unless there are like extremely weird, extremely unique interactions around this one particular video.
- [128:12]
Linus Sebastian
Got it.
- [128:13]
Luke Lafreniere
Then it's probably accurate that it is high.
- [128:16]
Linus Sebastian
You know. Next week there will be two amazing Linus videos. One is called I Spent 24 Hours with Linus. When did that happen? It's apparently a fun day in the life of Linus to see what I do on a somewhat average day. How do I not remember this?
- [128:34]
Luke Lafreniere
I thought this was in Taiwan, which wouldn't be a somewhat average day.
- [128:37]
Linus Sebastian
I don't know when it was.
- [128:39]
Luke Lafreniere
And the last time we heard about this, I pushed back on it because I was like, there is no way. Because you didn't like stay in like 24 hours. It's clickbait.
- [128:48]
Linus Sebastian
I mean they could have hidden in my closet. I wouldn't have probably noticed.
- [128:51]
Luke Lafreniere
That seems to be. It's a bit of a problem, man.
- [128:54]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, I know that.
- [128:55]
Dan
That.
- [128:56]
Linus Sebastian
I don't think it's that. We also have the long awaited Linus reacts to staff describing their first interactions with him. That's coming out Monday. So if you ever.
- [129:05]
Luke Lafreniere
I'm really excited for that one.
- [129:07]
Linus Sebastian
If you ever wanted to see what Floatplane is all about, now is the best time.
- [129:12]
Dan
I don't think so.
- [129:15]
Linus Sebastian
Because you can get early access to deals for Lime Day and amazing exclusives at lmg. GG Floatplane. Yeah. All right.
- [129:24]
Luke Lafreniere
What do we got left? We got some topics to minimize.
- [129:27]
Linus Sebastian
You can donate your idle bandwidth to help archive the Internet. To make sure that the Internet never forgets.
- [129:36]
Luke Lafreniere
Yes, Redditor you. The Curiousbread posted a call out on the LTT subreddit for Archive Team Warrior. Archive Team Warrior is a software set up to run inside is software set up to run inside a virtual machine that downloads sites and uploads them for archiving. How it works, according to the Curious Breads post, is that there's an IRC chat where the Internet Archive team hand selects web pages with an expiration date. They set up a list for each project. You can select the project you want to support from your end. It downloads the pages and after each page is done, it gets sent off to the Internet Archive and the copy is deleted from your end. Lightweight, late on Internet usage and big impact. That actually sounds very intelligently built. I'm not like. It shouldn't sound like I'm that surprised, but that's like. That's smart. I like that. You get to pick. That's the. That was the big thing for me. That's really cool. There's a link to the Archive Warrior virtual application page which we'll post in the.
- [130:45]
Linus Sebastian
I'm jumping in the floatplane chat right now. I don't have the other chats open. Dan just stepped away.
- [130:52]
Luke Lafreniere
Yep. Way to go.
- [130:53]
Linus Sebastian
Good producer.
- [130:54]
Luke Lafreniere
But it's wiki.archiveteam.org producing P HP/ArchiveTeam underscore Warrior.
- [131:02]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, I don't know, I just thought that was pretty cool.
- [131:05]
Luke Lafreniere
That is really cool.
- [131:06]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. I am a little confused as to how it saves any bandwidth for them. If I download the page and then I upload it to them. Maybe. I thought you could explain it to me.
- [131:24]
Luke Lafreniere
No, I don't actually have an answer for that.
- [131:31]
Linus Sebastian
Is it just that it's great it's saving.
- [131:34]
Luke Lafreniere
Is it actually the bandwidth that is saving or is it the processing?
- [131:37]
Linus Sebastian
I don't know. I don't see how it saves any processing either.
- [131:42]
Luke Lafreniere
Well, it doesn't have to like go to those websites and try to grab the data.
- [131:48]
Linus Sebastian
But they have to get it from like us or it will.
- [131:52]
Luke Lafreniere
Only use your bandwidth.
- [131:53]
Linus Sebastian
The only thing I can think of is that it would be down to it being hard for them to scrape it.
- [131:59]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [131:59]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. So it's. It's just distributing the crawling and downloading.
- [132:04]
Luke Lafreniere
Of the assets in here, like it says, hey, the reason for this is to save us bandwidth. Yeah, it looks like it might be a rate limiting thing.
- [132:14]
Linus Sebastian
Okay, that makes a ton of sense. Yeah, sites often block server IPs or rate limiting. Okay. Okay. That, that.
- [132:21]
Luke Lafreniere
I think our notes were just maybe not 100%.
- [132:24]
Linus Sebastian
Maybe a little bit. A little bit confused. Yeah, very cool. I don't know. I saw this and I was like, that seems like a neat project for people to participate in. Here's another neat project. The U.S. house of Representatives has passed the big beautiful bill. Here are some rapid, rapid fire tech implications. Tax credits for semiconductor firms that are building capacity in the US could rise to 35% from 25%. The $7,500 EV tax credit will be gone by September 30th. So if you were planning to pick up a new EV that is eligible for that tax credit, you are going to want to do that pretty quick. Clean energy tax credits, so for like wind and solar projects will be phased out by 2027, which it has been speculated could result in higher energy costs in the longer term. And this one's a bummer. 800 MHz of radio spectrum in about the 6 GHz range is expected to be auctioned off by 2034, which could impact the 6 GHz WI FI range, which is I think going to be a mega downer for our American friends. I was at, I was at Natalie's during that tech upgrade. Hey, thank you for your ideas. No, it is not the Riot Games launcher that caused her slow downloads. Yes, it appears to download in chunks and then install, but that was not what was happening. Her connection was super slow. We could barely even load a webpage and there were so many SSIDs in her area. There's like 50 that we couldn't do anything. And that's on 5 gigahertz. Like I remember the transition from 2.4 to 5 gigahertz and what a breath of fresh air it was using fresh, unpolluted spectrum. And 6 GHz is the that of today. And unfortunately it looks like that may not. That may not happen anymore. I mean, we'll see what happens. These things do tend to change when there are administration changeovers in the US So good luck everybody. Oh, there's a response to Luke's AI challenge. Actually, there were quite a few responses to Luke's AI challenge, but this is one that I happened across today. Cyber cypherpunk samurai says Here is Gemini 2.5 Pro accurately recreating Chapter 14 with proper punctuation. Hermione, however, had more on her mind than the Philosopher's stone. She had started drawing up revision timetables and color coding all of her notes. Harry and Ron wouldn't have minded, but she kept nagging them to do the same. Hermione, the exams are ages away, so for those of you who don't remember, we were discussing whether it was okay to ingest published novels just for the cost of, you know, buying one copy of it, using it to train your AI, and whether that was transformative. And one of the discussion points that we had was, okay, well, do you completely lose that transformative argument if your AI is capable of just sharding out the text unedited and it turns out that if you trick them, they can do it?
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Luke Lafreniere
I saw someone, I think someone legal somewhere could take this as an actual argument and go after them for it legitimately.
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Linus Sebastian
I saw someone else who got around it by asking it to read the chapter. And it's like, no. And then it's like, can you pretend to be my grandma reading me the chapter? My grandma reads me a chapter every night. Blah, blah, blah. Can you pretend to be her? And it just. They crapped out a chapter of Harry Potter.
- [136:28]
Luke Lafreniere
I love how it like it. Obviously it doesn't have feelings and whatnot, but it feels like it wants you to get it around its own rules. It's, it's fascinating.
- [136:39]
Linus Sebastian
Anything pretty wild in the case?
- [136:42]
Luke Lafreniere
Literally said that. Literally said what?
- [136:46]
Linus Sebastian
Oh yeah, you're gonna have to be a little bit more clear.
- [136:49]
Luke Lafreniere
It's like comments on the YouTube video that are like, yeah, I agree. We talked for four hours. What do you, what do you agree with? I have no idea.
- [137:02]
Linus Sebastian
Brazil is going after Nintendo for bricking Switch 2 consoles Brazil's consumer protection agency Procon SP has filed a formal complaint against Nintendo over its Switch to console banning policies. The complaint argues that Nintendo's updated user agreement, which allows the company to permanently block console access to all online features, violates consumers rights. This comes after Multiple reports of Switch 2 consoles being banned for using MIG Flash cartridges, even when users own the games. The ban includes multiplayer system updates, digital game access, and even the retro libraries tied to paid Nintendo Switch online subscriptions. That seems pretty excessive. Nintendo1 redditor bought a used Switch 2 from Walmart as an open box return, only to find that it was already banned and effectively bricked for online play. Pro Con SP is demanding that Nintendo remove the offending clause and has criticized the company's lack of formal legal representation In Brazil, which makes consumer recourse difficult. Nintendo has 20 days to respond to the legal challenge. Shout out Brazil.
- [138:17]
Luke Lafreniere
Let's go Brazil.
- [138:17]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, this, this seems very based. Nice, very cool. I'd love to see someone take up Nintendo's proprietary implementation of USB C net. Do you? Have you heard about this?
- [138:30]
Luke Lafreniere
I've heard about that. That's super annoying.
- [138:32]
Linus Sebastian
It's not only that they are, you know, not helping third party accessories work with the Switch 2. They're blocking that. It is that they are actively encrypting the communication and actively preventing third party accessories from working. There is no technical reason why the Switch 2 could not use standard voltages and could not use standard protocols. I promise you. I'm not an engineer, but what I can tell you is there are. If Apple can do it, Nintendo can do it. Yeah, unique username says and their doc sucks. Apparently there is one third party dock maker that works. But even they came out and said okay, gas. But nothing would prevent Nintendo from changing the encryption key with a firmware update. So we're not like guaranteeing anything. But yeah, it works. Right now I don't know how they got it working. Like they must have, they must have a mole and Nintendo or something. I have no idea. Yeah.
- [139:40]
Luke Lafreniere
Cool. From Brazil though, the USB C thing, like I don't know the rule of the law and that you use USB C stuff, but I feel like it violates the intention certainly the spirit of the law. Yeah, that's what I was looking for, spirit of the law. And hopefully that you can step in on that a little bit because like everyone using the same connector but not being able to actually use it because you locked things off defeats the whole purpose and honestly actually just makes things worse in a lot of ways. So hopefully that's not allowed to continue to be a thing.
- [140:13]
Linus Sebastian
Well, on the really goofy part is like on the Switch one, it was no problem for you to just plug the Switch one into a wall wart and use it. Although apparently it could like wear it out faster or something. But then if you took that same wall wart and plugged it into a dock and then tried to use the Switch on that, it like wouldn't work. It's like, yeah, can we just not. Yeah, like can we just not that.
- [140:36]
Luke Lafreniere
Seriously.
- [140:36]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, why? Like, I know you gotta sell $40ac adapters, but.
- [140:41]
Dan
But.
- [140:44]
Linus Sebastian
Are the like $80 gains not enough? How much blood do you want? Canadian from our stones.
- [140:53]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, no, no, I was, I was thinking like, no, that's too cheap. It's 100 something.
- [140:58]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, no, I was converting to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh boy, this is interesting. The supreme court in the US has upheld a Texas law that would require ID to visit some websites. Last Friday, in a 6 to 3 vote, the Supreme Court upheld a Texas law aimed at blocking minors from accessing online adult content, which on the face of it sounds like a good thing. I don't think most minors need to be seeing that kind of content. However, like many potentially well intentioned policies and legislation, this one is full of holes. And no, not all of them can be filled because we can't get to the websites to see it. The Free Speech Coalition had challenged the Texas law due to worries about the First Amendment being infringed upon. Justice Clarence Thomas stated he didn't believe that this restricts adults free speech rights, saying adults have the right to access speech obscene only to minors, but adults have no First Amendment right to avoid age verification. Okay. Even though this is now overturning decades of precedent and has the potential to upend access to First Amendment protected speech on the Internet for everyone, children and adults alike, said Samir Jain, Vice president of of policy at the nonprofit center for Democracy and Technology. Yeah, this is because back in 1996 and 2004 as well as many other times, there were rulings that federal law at the time said it would be unconstitutional to have restrictive measures on content filtering. Several websites that would be required to have this age verification check are simply not running in Texas as well as in several other states because they don't want to be the ones responsible for holding people's private information like driver's licenses, passports and whatever other ID would be used to verify the user. See, that's the problem with this law is that I don't want that either. The government is not doing the work to make it manageable. They don't have a nationwide ID program for every man, woman and child that is properly administered and properly safeguarded and whatever. And I'm not even advocating for that as a solution here. I'm just saying that they are not doing the work and not putting in any kind of infrastructure that would enable these organizations to perform the identity and age verification checks that they are demanding that they perform. They are putting all of the liability on these private enterprises, all of whom are going to have to create from scratch some kind of solution to collect this information, validate it and store it.
- [143:58]
Luke Lafreniere
Which is sane, I'm assuming what they're hoping. If I can make a, if I can try to find an argument for them right Now I'm assuming what they're hoping is that the free market will make a stripe like thing where the liability goes on a third party company that is very highly security focused.
- [144:19]
Linus Sebastian
Sure. I mean that worked great for the credit monitoring industry. Equifax is awesome. TransUnion too. I love them both. Dude.
- [144:29]
Luke Lafreniere
What? I'm kind of surprised.
- [144:30]
Linus Sebastian
Union site is so ing garbage. I had to. They had a wrong address in my history and I had to. I like went in and tried to change it. And once you try to change it. Oh, first of all, it took me like four, three times on the phone with them to stop my account from just randomly locking when I would try to get into it. And then we finally managed to get me into the account and then it's like a separate portal to go and like register for a change. And then when I went, I finally got an email saying that there was an update to my change request. And then when I tried to log into it, the page would error out every time I would try to go to it. I still don't know what happened with that. But I have never lived in Edmonton. It's been a wild saga.
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Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. I mean the thing that surprises me, the thing that surprises me the most is that there wasn't one of these sites already queued up by one of the people trying to push for this bill. That's the thing that surprises me is that there isn't a solution that already at least sort of exists.
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Linus Sebastian
I don't think they've thought that far ahead.
- [145:36]
Luke Lafreniere
There's a. There's a really interesting point at the end here.
- [145:39]
Linus Sebastian
I think you're giving them too much credit. I think this is just classic. Somebody please think of the children.
- [145:46]
Luke Lafreniere
I know. But as a life says at the end of this topic, I swear this prawn topic comes up every month. We've talked about the Texas one in particular, I think like three or four times. Yeah, this is crazy. I don't have another solution to accomplish the thing that they want other than just clicking yes on a website. And I don't think there is one.
- [146:10]
Linus Sebastian
I don't think so either. But like that's the issue is you're supposedly, you know, anti government overreach and anti regulation except when it's convenient or in this case like inconvenient. Like there isn't even. There is no plan. There's no concept of a plan for how this could possibly be implemented. And look, I'm not saying that the adult entertainment industry is precious and should be protected at all. Costs. Costs at all. I'm just saying that if your argument is that they need to do this thing and you have literally no idea how you expect them to do it, how do you. How do you legislate that? I, like, I can't think of another example of something this stupid.
- [147:01]
Luke Lafreniere
And, like, if you're. Yeah, because I can imagine legislating something where you don't have the answer for it. I can't imagine that being a thing in a variety of scenarios. But in this scenario, the thing that you're trying to tell them to do is putting serious security risks on everyone involved.
- [147:19]
Linus Sebastian
Well, yeah.
- [147:20]
Luke Lafreniere
So it's like, you. You kind of know the only direction that they can go in, and you know that it's bad, which seems not good.
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Linus Sebastian
Yeah. I got to wonder what lobbyist is pushing this. Like, who is. Who is asking for this?
- [147:40]
Luke Lafreniere
I don't know. Genuinely unsure.
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Linus Sebastian
Helen Lovejoy. That's the only possible thing I can think of.
- [147:47]
Luke Lafreniere
Who's that?
- [147:48]
Linus Sebastian
Won't somebody please think of the children?
- [147:51]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, that's actually. Yeah, that is actually her. Wow, you're so informed. Am I on the Simpsons?
- [147:58]
Dan
I'm sure.
- [147:58]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah.
- [147:59]
Luke Lafreniere
Yep.
- [147:59]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, pretty, pretty much. I mean, I haven't seen. I haven't kind of watched any of the last probably 10 or 15 seasons.
- [148:04]
Luke Lafreniere
But you and sir Dank pods should sit down and chat about the Simpsons.
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Dan
There's only eight seasons. That's when the show ended.
- [148:10]
Linus Sebastian
Why? Just, like, full of Simpsons references or what?
- [148:16]
Luke Lafreniere
I, I, he used to make, like. Oh, man. What was it even called?
- [148:22]
Dan
Simpsons Wave.
- [148:23]
Luke Lafreniere
Is that what it's called?
- [148:24]
Dan
Is it the music?
- [148:25]
Linus Sebastian
What is Simpsons Wave?
- [148:26]
Dan
Simpsons Wave. Yeah.
- [148:27]
Linus Sebastian
Like, did he like.
- [148:28]
Luke Lafreniere
Or, like, did basically come up with this?
- [148:30]
Dan
I have no idea who invented Simpsons. Wait, wait. Oh, Dankmas.
- [148:35]
Luke Lafreniere
Dankmas. That was it, wasn't it?
- [148:37]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, Dank Pods isn't Dank. Isn't.
- [148:41]
Luke Lafreniere
That's what I said earlier? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [148:43]
Linus Sebastian
I thought you said dms.
- [148:44]
Luke Lafreniere
No, no, no, no.
- [148:45]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I know about. I know about Dank pods and loving the Simpsons or whatever. Okay, what are we. What are we looking at here? That's right. Okay. Yep. That's a thing that exists.
- [148:58]
Dan
Oh, this. This is, like. This is peak stuff. Don't. Don't knock it till you try it.
- [149:03]
Linus Sebastian
No, I. Yeah, okay. Yep. That's good.
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Dan
This is, like, the good part of humanity. If all this news in the WAN show makes you feel bad about being alive, any stuff like Dankmas.
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Linus Sebastian
Okay.
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Dan
Should restore Some of it I am. I am fully unironic.
- [149:23]
Luke Lafreniere
The art brain that that man has is amazing. He's great. That's good stuff.
- [149:29]
Dan
Crump with me. Linus.
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Linus Sebastian
Deeply uncomfortable. Apple has introduced tiered Commission and tax for app Developers in response to the EU ruling that Apple must allow app developers to use alternate payment solutions, Apple has made changes to the store services fee paid by app developers in the euro. The fee is now broken into two tiers, and if you elect to link to outside payment options, you are locked to tier one, which gets only a subset of store services. So tier 1 5% commission on in app purchases. Limited store services with the TLDR being no automatic updates, no search boosts, no personalized recommendations, no editorial features, no custom product pages, no insights and Analytics. At Tier 2, you must exclusively use Apple's payment system. 13% commission on in app purchases and you get the complete set of store services. In addition, Apple is rolling out a new fee, the Core Technology Commission, which allows Apple to take a 5% bonus on outside purchases made through App Store apps. At the time of writing, the EU Commission is yet to respond, but if you thought Epic CEO Tim Sweeney would say something, you're right. He weighed in on X Twitter, saying Apple's new Digital Markets act malicious compliance scheme is blatantly unlawful in both Europe and the United States and makes a mockery of fair competition in digital markets.
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Luke Lafreniere
Thanks, Tim.
- [151:14]
Linus Sebastian
I feel like I always have to disclaim this. I don't agree with Mr. Tim Sweeney on everything, but boy do I ever agree with him on basic logic when it comes to monopolistic behavior in online marketplaces. I feel like he has been a voice of fresh air, just kind of saying what should be obvious to everyone, that the emperor has been naked for years. And if what Microsoft was doing in the 90s and early 2000s was antitrust. This is like. This is like Uncle Trust. Like, this is. You got to be kidding me.
- [151:57]
Luke Lafreniere
Okay, yeah, Uncle Trust.
- [152:00]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, yeah, like Antitrust, but like stronger. Oh, that could probably beat Antitrust in an arm wrestling.
- [152:06]
Luke Lafreniere
Gonna die earlier though.
- [152:08]
Linus Sebastian
Probably.
- [152:08]
Luke Lafreniere
Sure.
- [152:09]
Linus Sebastian
Probably.
- [152:10]
Luke Lafreniere
Sometimes questionable on holidays.
- [152:11]
Linus Sebastian
Heart condition.
- [152:13]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [152:13]
Linus Sebastian
Facebook is training meta AI with your unpublished photos. Last week, TechCrunch reported that some Facebook users are seeing a pop up when posting to stories, asking if the user would like to opt into cloud processing. The pop up explains that by allowing this option, Facebook will generate new ideas from your camera roll, like collages, recaps, AI restylings, or photo themes. For this feature to work, Facebook will upload media from Your camera roll to its cloud on an ongoing basis. According to the terms of service, Meta will have the right to retain and use any personal information that is shared with them. Wow. That's pretty cool. Holy crap. How does it keep getting worse, Luke?
- [153:07]
Luke Lafreniere
Billions and billions of dollars. I think that's a legitimate answer.
- [153:19]
Linus Sebastian
When is it enough? Like, when does Mark Zuckerberg own enough of Hawaii? Never.
- [153:25]
Luke Lafreniere
I genuinely don't think that has a cap.
- [153:26]
Linus Sebastian
He wants all of Hawaii.
- [153:29]
Luke Lafreniere
I. For a. For people that their brain work that way. In my opinion. I think it would be just like.
- [153:35]
Linus Sebastian
Is he racist the universe? He doesn't want Oprah to live there too. It's a valid question.
- [153:43]
Luke Lafreniere
I think it's everyone.
- [153:44]
Linus Sebastian
Why does he want Hawaii to have only white people? Specifically himself. Actually Asian, too.
- [153:51]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [153:51]
Linus Sebastian
I'm sure his wife would be allowed to be there.
- [153:53]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. Yeah.
- [153:56]
Linus Sebastian
Why does he feel that way?
- [153:57]
Luke Lafreniere
Don't know. This is just how he is.
- [154:01]
Linus Sebastian
Are all lizards just racist? If I say that, does that make me racist against lizards?
- [154:06]
Luke Lafreniere
It might.
- [154:08]
Linus Sebastian
Species.
- [154:19]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, that's pretty good.
- [154:24]
Linus Sebastian
Mystery Ion says you don't have to be racist to not want Oprah near you. I actually have no idea what her controversies are, so I'm gonna stay out of that one.
- [154:35]
Luke Lafreniere
I. I don't care.
- [154:39]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. Okay. All right. Let's probably switch over to After Dark. Maybe we got a few merge messages today. All right, cool. Let's do that.
- [154:54]
Dan
Oh, boy. Okay. Merch. Messages After Dark.
- [155:00]
Linus Sebastian
Hold on. There's 12,500 people watching live on YouTube. Presumably there's some stragglers who still watch on Twitch for some reason.
- [155:09]
Luke Lafreniere
Probably not for long.
- [155:10]
Linus Sebastian
Probably thousands more watching on floatplane. I have to ask you this, the honest question.
- [155:14]
Dan
Okay.
- [155:16]
Linus Sebastian
Do you guys tune in weekly so that you'll be there the moment my career ends? Is that the idea?
- [155:25]
Luke Lafreniere
I think a lot of people used to. That's why every week, I think. I think there was a period of time where that was like, absolutely, eventually very significant part of it. Yeah.
- [155:38]
Linus Sebastian
So I got a. I don't know.
- [155:41]
Luke Lafreniere
If that's as much of a thing anymore, but I. I know that was a thing people at the company used to watch.
- [155:49]
Dan
Well, now we tell them what we tell people online during the.
- [155:53]
Luke Lafreniere
People also watch to be like, is there going to be a work to come back to?
- [155:57]
Dan
Do I have to come to work to Monday? Do I have to come to work Monday? Do I have to go Monday?
- [156:02]
Linus Sebastian
I came across this on the subreddit recently.
- [156:06]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, I've seen this. This was funny.
- [156:10]
Linus Sebastian
I had never actually Rewatched the clip.
- [156:12]
Luke Lafreniere
Really?
- [156:13]
Linus Sebastian
I mean, dude, do I really have to, like, relive dude?
- [156:17]
Luke Lafreniere
I thought it was so. I watched, like, so many reactions. I thought it was so funny. I had a great time with this, this guy.
- [156:35]
Linus Sebastian
This guy's face.
- [156:45]
Luke Lafreniere
So they were very funny.
- [156:47]
Linus Sebastian
So I, I watched. I, I, I had to sit through the agonizing. It's so long. It's like, it's not actually that long. It's like two minutes, but it feels like forever. But it feels like a lifetime.
- [157:03]
Luke Lafreniere
Imagine how long that felt for me in the moment I'm ragging through my brain, like, am I even right about this? Like, because there's no way he would say that. I'm trying to, like, yeah, it's a.
- [157:18]
Linus Sebastian
Like, we were actually, like, the fact that you knew because I don't always monitor chat, so, like.
- [157:26]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, that wasn't from chat monitoring.
- [157:27]
Linus Sebastian
No, no, I know, I know. I'm just saying I don't always monitor chat. So if you hadn't known.
- [157:33]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, yeah, we would have been.
- [157:36]
Linus Sebastian
We could have made it to the end of that episode. And then once we, Once we stopped.
- [157:41]
Luke Lafreniere
Airing back was not an option.
- [157:43]
Linus Sebastian
There was no way. Yeah, there was no way.
- [157:45]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. Just like, it was tough, you know, though, I, I actually, I look back at that, like, fairly fondly, and I like watching reactions to it and stuff. You know what does suck, though?
- [157:55]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah.
- [157:55]
Luke Lafreniere
Is people that'll recognize me in public and be like, oh, the, the hard R thing. Why are you saying this?
- [158:04]
Linus Sebastian
I don't get all.
- [158:05]
Dan
TikTok knows this from.
- [158:07]
Luke Lafreniere
That's what people know me from. All my most viewed stuff is that clip. So, like, it will genuinely. I'll be in an airport and someone will walk up to me with hundreds of people walking by and be like, oh, the hard earth thing. That was crazy. Like, wow, I really don't want this right now. Please stop. Like, it happens at conventions. It happens at airports when, like, like, if it's just us, sure. It's never just us.
- [158:45]
Dan
I didn't have my face shown.
- [158:50]
Luke Lafreniere
It's rough, man.
- [158:52]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah.
- [158:53]
Luke Lafreniere
And then, like, the stuff that comes after it.
- [158:55]
Linus Sebastian
Luke. Luke Hardar left Rainier.
- [159:01]
Luke Lafreniere
The. The stuff that comes after it where they're like, oh, like, I can't believe you saved that. Whatever that part is always said at a significantly lower volume.
- [159:08]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah.
- [159:08]
Luke Lafreniere
Than the initial bit.
- [159:10]
Dan
You scream that first bit. Yeah, yeah.
- [159:13]
Luke Lafreniere
Like, it actually happens a lot. It's very disturbing. I don't know when people are just gonna yell hard R at me.
- [159:21]
Dan
It's the guy It's a hard R guy.
- [159:23]
Luke Lafreniere
Public.
- [159:23]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. As long as you're not in the States, you're probably okay. It's not like, in terms of people understanding it.
- [159:30]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. Yeah.
- [159:31]
Linus Sebastian
But, like, in America, if I was just, like, hanging around and someone referred to me like that real loud, I probably wouldn't be stoked on.
- [159:40]
Luke Lafreniere
No, it's not comfortable.
- [159:41]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah.
- [159:43]
Luke Lafreniere
Like, at all. Yeah. I. Yeah. It is hilarious, though. I do, like, anytime anyone links me a. Like, somebody reacting to it or talking about it, whatever, I. I love it. I thought Moist. Charlie's moist. Critical. His was hilarious.
- [160:02]
Dan
Highlight of my career.
- [160:03]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. Did you ever watch that one?
- [160:05]
Dan
I got to Mike Wachowski.
- [160:06]
Linus Sebastian
It just.
- [160:07]
Dan
Tiny, little, tiny little postcard of my head. It's great.
- [160:11]
Luke Lafreniere
Let me see if I can find.
- [160:12]
Linus Sebastian
It can't be that.
- [160:14]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. Flight Detectives almost ruined his career.
- [160:15]
Dan
He was like, hours.
- [160:18]
Luke Lafreniere
It was really fast. He was really. I mean, he just normally is really fast.
- [160:22]
Dan
Oh, yeah.
- [160:22]
Luke Lafreniere
But, yeah, this one was so funny. He talks about how he was. You should go watch it, if you're interested. But he talks about how he's watching, and he's been apparently watching for a long time, like, just the channel. And he was just, like, sitting there, just like, oh, no, it's all over. I haven't watched it forever. But his. His recount of this was genuinely hilarious. It was also fun to hear him say that because I. I first saw his channel when I was in university, so, like, UVic University. Like, so that's kind of a cool little crossover thing, but, yeah, it's very, very funny. Anyways, we're still here for now.
- [161:11]
Linus Sebastian
Dorkier people have tried to cancel us.
- [161:14]
Luke Lafreniere
He didn't. He didn't try to cancel.
- [161:16]
Linus Sebastian
No, no, I know. Oh, man.
- [161:20]
Luke Lafreniere
Brb. Gonna fall down the reaction rabbit hole. It's pretty funny. It's. Yeah, it's pretty good.
- [161:28]
Linus Sebastian
All right, Dan.
- [161:31]
Dan
Yeah.
- [161:32]
Linus Sebastian
Hit me.
- [161:33]
Dan
Okay. Hello, Dynas, Duke and lan. I just got into hockey recently, and I know you. Linus, had made a joke about being a fan of the Oilers before, but what are your favorite teams? Let's go, Kraken.
- [161:46]
Linus Sebastian
For me, to me, picking my favorite hockey team is like picking my favorite corporation because they literally.
- [161:53]
Luke Lafreniere
That's what they are.
- [161:54]
Linus Sebastian
They literally, like, very literally are corporations. So you're just like, when you. When you buy the merchandise, you are supporting, you know, a lot of the really positive things that sports teams do bring to their communities. They bring people together. They often contribute to their communities charitably. Like, Canuck play here in Vancouver. Does A lot of really great work. You are contributing to the livelihoods of not just the, the players that play on the team, but also the, the farm system that filters up to the big league teams. There's a, there's a lot of, you're contributing to the businesses that rely on, you know, people leaving the stadium after the game to go get dinner or drinks or whatever it is. There's a lot of really positive things about sportsball, but you are also funneling money into the pockets of multi gazillionaire owners and you're doing that at a greater rate than you are probably any of the other things. And so for me, I really enjoy the sport. I am a fan of hockey. I love the tension. I love the incredible talent of just amazing, amazing players. I, I, I, I, I, I, I love the speed of the game, the intensity. I, I can appreciate the talent and the hard work and dedication that goes into being so, so very good at it. But I have a real hard being that invested in a team. So for me a big part of the joy of watching hockey is watching, you know, with someone who's really passionate about someone. So I'm at a point now where I can kind of cheer for whatever team. So I just get behind whatever, whoever David Gauthier wants to win.
- [163:53]
Luke Lafreniere
It was genuinely more fun watching the finals because he was there.
- [163:57]
Linus Sebastian
Oh yeah. David's so passionate and he's very well informed, not just about the game itself but like all the players and their, their like, history and like, you know, whether, whether they're, you know, dirty players or whether they're people that we can feel good about cheering for.
- [164:13]
Luke Lafreniere
Hearing him like ranting about that one guy was, was, I don't remember his name, but yeah, it was cool. I, yeah, I have no interest in watching on my own. I absolutely, I don't generally like TV shows. I love Shorzy and that's like about a hockey team. So that's cool. I, I've been considering trying to like recruit a couple people to also do this with me because I'm not interested in just doing it by myself, but the like, kind of local hockey team trying to get seasons tickets for that some year and like actually trying to go to every game, I think could be kind of fun. By local hockey team, I do not mean the Canucks.
- [164:57]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, I also, I really like, you know, interesting storylines. Like I was, I was rooting for the Oilers because, I don't know, they're the Canadian team or something last year and, But I was also pretty happy to see Paul Maurice lift the cup. This was the very unfortunate record that he had last year until he won. He had the most wins of an NHL coach without having a cup. Just like you could be like the greatest coach that never actually lifted the.
- [165:32]
Luke Lafreniere
Without championship. Coach is not the thing that you want to go down for.
- [165:35]
Linus Sebastian
No, it really isn't. So I, you know, felt pretty good for, you know, for him for finally getting there. And this year I just. I really, you know, you saw all the passion from, you know, dry saddle and McDavid. I really wanted to see them lift it. They couldn't get it done. Maybe next year we'll have to see how the off season goes. Yeah. Love the game. Don't love the. The corporateness of it. I stopped following super hard back in the. I forget which lockout there was. There was a lockout, and it was basically like, I was just. As a fan, I was just kind of tired of like, millionaires versus billionaires.
- [166:10]
Luke Lafreniere
Yes. This. This crashed out a lot of people that I know from watching, and I.
- [166:13]
Linus Sebastian
Just didn't care who was right anymore at that point. Yeah, I was just not interested anymore. Was it 2011?
- [166:20]
Luke Lafreniere
I don't remember exactly, but I know I used to know quite a few people that would watch and, like, almost all of them stopped watching after that.
- [166:27]
Linus Sebastian
To be honest, just 2012, 2013 was the. Was the lockout. It canceled many of the games of the 2012 season, including the All Star Game, and shortened the regular season to just 48 games.
- [166:38]
Luke Lafreniere
What was that tournament they did this year?
- [166:40]
Linus Sebastian
That was incredible.
- [166:42]
Luke Lafreniere
That was like peak sports New answer.
- [166:44]
Linus Sebastian
The. The Four Nations Face Off.
- [166:48]
Luke Lafreniere
Whoa. Dude. That was like.
- [166:50]
Linus Sebastian
That was. It's amazing how much harder the players play.
- [166:55]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [166:55]
Linus Sebastian
With their country flag on their chest versus some corporate logo. And it really shows us what we're missing by having hockey as this, like, corporate behemoth rather than as like a. Like an international.
- [167:10]
Luke Lafreniere
The Four nations tournament. Even if you're not into hockey at all, it was a fantastic watch.
- [167:15]
Linus Sebastian
It's like the best hockey you can watch.
- [167:18]
Luke Lafreniere
And every player was going for it every time.
- [167:22]
Linus Sebastian
Like, it was kind of crazy.
- [167:25]
Luke Lafreniere
That was. That was fascinating. That was my favorite hockey thing that's happened in, like, maybe ever.
- [167:30]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, I'd love to see them bring that back. I don't know if they're committed for next year, but I think seeing the success of the format there, they like it. I'm just. I'm just worried there's going to be, like, too many injuries or something and they're going to shut it down. I know that. I think they're not doing it next year because it's an Olympic year, isn't it? I think it's a Winter Olympic year.
- [167:49]
Luke Lafreniere
Makes sense. But if they did it on non Olympic years, that would be cool.
- [167:51]
Linus Sebastian
I'd be super into that. Yeah. Four nations face off was amazing. Okay.
- [167:57]
Dan
Okay, let's see what else we got next. Hello, from Tasmania, Australia.
- [168:01]
Linus Sebastian
Wow.
- [168:02]
Dan
Hi, Linus. As you get older, do you expect your viewer demographics to age with you? Do you worry about young newbies in the tech field shunning you in your 40s?
- [168:12]
Linus Sebastian
It's something that I've thought about a fair bit, actually. I mean, I think that I've talked extensively about what I call the curve, which is kind of a natural fizzle out of not just like online, you know, Internet famous people, but pretty much anyone with cultural relevance like you. You can't keep it forever. And depending on what kind of a space you're in or, you know, whether you're. Whether you're a man or a woman or what kind of, like, what kind of role people can imagine you in. Like, you think about movie stars? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Like, you get kind of typecast. So if I'm typecast as, like, you know, the young geeky tech guy and then I. I grow out of it and I'm like an old guy that still talks like this, like, that's. That probably won't work for people. Formats change. Something that I have not really had a, you know, a strong presence in is short form content. There's a whole tech talk that occasionally, you know, clips of me will end up on or whatever else.
- [169:21]
Dan
We.
- [169:21]
Linus Sebastian
We have some of our own content that we upload there. But I wouldn't say that we're were a dominant force by any stretch of the imagination when it comes to short form. You know, everything changes. Nothing ever stays the same. And aging out of this career has absolutely been something that I've thought about a lot. But what we're also seeing is that while I think the audience is aging up with me a fair bit, it's not as bad as I kind of always assumed that it was going to be. We're still, like, heavily skewed in the 18 to 24, 25 to 34, and 35 to 44 ranges, which from an advertising standpoint, really strong, like, ideal young men with disposable income is pretty much your, like, optimal demographic target. And while we don't have one of the most sustainable verticals necessarily, like financial advice, for instance, has like crazy CPMs and stuff like that.
- [170:32]
Luke Lafreniere
There's a tech is really not that great for verticals.
- [170:36]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. So we don't have that going for us. Like automotive CPMs are apparently much higher. What we do have is. Is a really stable. Oh, go ahead.
- [170:45]
Luke Lafreniere
They talk about that there's a big time has a video on like it's been one year since we left Donut. What's it like? Yeah, and they, they're. They actually like it's a very much more open video than I think most people would make. And they, they show one of their dashboards at some at one point and show like their kind of CPMs and they explain how it works and they explain how like YouTube takes their cut and all this kind of stuff and it's really cool actually. It's a good video.
- [171:12]
Linus Sebastian
I would say there is a bit of a shift occurring. So we are 41.4% 25 to 34. 20% 35 to 44 and 24 and a half percent. 18 to 24. So that is all that remains is like 10% outside of those ranges. But I do think that Google's doing a better job of filtering out like garbage data. So I suspect it's always been a little closer to that. And we are aging up a little bit into 25 to 34. But I'd say given I'm going to be 39 pretty soon, if we're still managing to speak to 65% an 18 to 34 audience, we're actually still doing a pretty okay job. And given that we still have have 30% of our audience 35 and up, we also aren't completely losing the more mature audience either.
- [172:08]
Luke Lafreniere
I think more of that is probably not related to you and I think more of that is probably related to our format because we don't cater heavily to short form. We do cater to short form. Sammy does a great job. But we don't cater. Our primary content is long form which is aging up.
- [172:25]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, that's true.
- [172:26]
Luke Lafreniere
And I think there's just that our focus is computer hardware which I would argue is aging up as well. I don't necessarily think it's super related to you personally.
- [172:38]
Linus Sebastian
And there's and there's like socioeconomic factors that are contributing to this. Like it is harder for, you know, a 17 year old to buy a brand new gaming computer today than it was when I was a kid. Y not just in terms of like raw dollars, like in terms of purchasing power and typical disposable income. It's much more Difficult. So I can totally understand why a lot more younger people would gravitate towards console gaming, for instance.
- [173:13]
Dan
Okay, up next, finished all medical training. Now leaving the incredible friends I went through hell with over the past five years. And it sucks. What's the hardest goodbye you've had to say and how did you handle it? Oh.
- [173:30]
Linus Sebastian
Hardest goodbye. We're not talking death, right?
- [173:34]
Dan
I don't think so.
- [173:35]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, really?
- [173:36]
Linus Sebastian
No. They left school.
- [173:38]
Dan
I think that's probably a little.
- [173:40]
Linus Sebastian
They're all going their own ways. It's a little too far, man. I don't know if I've. I don't know about hardest goodbyes I've had.
- [173:48]
Luke Lafreniere
Had.
- [173:48]
Linus Sebastian
I've had a few moderately difficult goodbyes. Like when I did my, when I did my six year exchange to Quebec, not only was I saying goodbye to all of the people who effectively like taught me French and I spent every day with, while I was there as like a summer camp counselor, but I like, I literally, I think, I think like the terms of the exchange, like there was no personal information to be exchanged or something. Like I was literally saying goodbye forever. So that was like kind of weird.
- [174:22]
Luke Lafreniere
An old school problem.
- [174:24]
Linus Sebastian
Like I hadn't really, I hadn't really like encountered that before. I don't think I had a super strong attachment to anyone in high school. Anyone that I like didn't, you know.
- [174:37]
Luke Lafreniere
Maintain an attachment with.
- [174:39]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, like there, it wasn't really like goodbye. That's more just like stayed away.
- [174:42]
Luke Lafreniere
That's one of the issues I'm having having is a lot of the situations that I have left.
- [174:46]
Linus Sebastian
Like what about your teams? Like, you know, you, you, you went to provincials for like football and hockey and stuff. Like was there ever like a goodbye moment with your teams that you were like, I'm never going to see you guys again?
- [174:58]
Luke Lafreniere
That you, it was less in my opinion like those teams because the, the team you'd go play with for provincials is not the team that you would naturally, I think is not the team that you would play with with throughout the season because they would take a like all star team from all the different. Oh, I didn't know that teams in B.C. for ball hockey. That's how it worked. Interesting. And then, and then you'd go travel and play wherever. So like that group, I was never usually like that tight knit with that group.
- [175:27]
Linus Sebastian
Right.
- [175:27]
Luke Lafreniere
It was more the team throughout the season and the team throughout the season. Even a lot of times you'd see the same players kind of year after year.
- [175:34]
Linus Sebastian
And so it's like A slow roll.
- [175:38]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. What did really, really, really suck was the very last year, because you turn.
- [175:45]
Linus Sebastian
Whatever, and then you're not eligible.
- [175:48]
Luke Lafreniere
18 or whatever it is, and you can't play on those worst teams anymore. And the jump to adult teams, a lot of them don't exist.
- [175:57]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah.
- [175:58]
Luke Lafreniere
Or the vibe is, like, completely different.
- [176:01]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, that makes sense.
- [176:03]
Luke Lafreniere
Like football.
- [176:04]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, yeah. Adults are not going to want to, like, get injured.
- [176:08]
Luke Lafreniere
No.
- [176:09]
Linus Sebastian
Like, no.
- [176:10]
Luke Lafreniere
Turns out people do play rugby. I didn't know about that until, like, way later. But, yeah, football, not so much of a thing. There's, like, one team, if I remember correctly, but they were super serious, and they really kind of wanted to be. This is extremely old information and could be wrong even from back then, but they. They wanted to be kind of like the house team for the Lions. Like, they were, like, trying to make it. They weren't just playing for fun.
- [176:34]
Dan
Right.
- [176:34]
Luke Lafreniere
Seriously Playing for fun. Like, I. Like, obviously I'm gonna give it, but, like, I'm also not trying to be a professional football player. So, like, there's a difference.
- [176:42]
Dan
Yeah.
- [176:42]
Luke Lafreniere
Between trying as hard as you can and trying to be a professional football player. There is a difference. Yeah. So, like, certain sports, they just didn't have teams. Other sports, the vibe was completely different. Like, I would still like to practice.
- [176:55]
Linus Sebastian
Right.
- [176:56]
Luke Lafreniere
Most adult teams don't practice.
- [176:58]
Linus Sebastian
So you want the, like, football equivalent of, like, a badminton club. Like, we're running. Where you can go and you can do training.
- [177:04]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, I think so.
- [177:05]
Linus Sebastian
You can, like, play and compete in, like, ladder games or whatever.
- [177:08]
Luke Lafreniere
But, like, even if it was just the practice, I would love that. Football practice was sick. Pushing bags around and stuff is really fun. And there's even, like. I've been looking into getting into ice hockey. We couldn't do ice hockey when I was a kid. Kid equipment's too expensive. Thanks. I do pretty well now, so I could. I could.
- [177:28]
Linus Sebastian
Thank yourself.
- [177:29]
Luke Lafreniere
I could get some hockey equipment if I wanted. Some hockey equipment. But, like, I can't skate.
- [177:36]
Linus Sebastian
At all. Yeah.
- [177:37]
Luke Lafreniere
Like, literally at all. Yeah.
- [177:39]
Dan
Yeah.
- [177:39]
Luke Lafreniere
It's pretty. Like, it's a problem.
- [177:40]
Linus Sebastian
Like, I can't skate and, like, you're trash.
- [177:43]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. So, like, I'm. I can't just go join a team.
- [177:48]
Linus Sebastian
I mean, David offered to kind of.
- [177:49]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, next year I want to do that.
- [177:52]
Linus Sebastian
I'm kind of down.
- [177:53]
Luke Lafreniere
I'm totally down.
- [177:54]
Linus Sebastian
Okay. Should we do it?
- [177:56]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [177:59]
Linus Sebastian
Okay. All right. We're doing it next season, so David's got to recover. I don't think you guys have seen any content yet, but his Wing is pretty busted right now.
- [178:07]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [178:08]
Linus Sebastian
Which is not a good sign. But he's a unit it he's playing.
- [178:14]
Luke Lafreniere
Probably take some damage.
- [178:15]
Linus Sebastian
He's playing a league above what he. So apparently he can kind of. He's allowed to play in a lower league if he's kind of like chaperoning us and we suck kind of thing. And he doesn't like, balances too many goals and stuff.
- [178:27]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [178:28]
Linus Sebastian
So he offered.
- [178:28]
Luke Lafreniere
We would have to come in at the bottom.
- [178:31]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah.
- [178:31]
Luke Lafreniere
Like, I was good at ball hockey and 20 years ago.
- [178:35]
Linus Sebastian
I'm a great rollerblader.
- [178:37]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, dude. I was really good at rollerblading.
- [178:40]
Linus Sebastian
Terrible ice skater when I was 12.
- [178:42]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. I have not done that ever since. You know those. The crosswalk bars? No, you don't talk. Can I find an image of this?
- [178:50]
Linus Sebastian
Okay. In the meantime, I wanted to address something real quick. Unique username asks, how do you mean you couldn't get back in touch? Like, literally forbidden from exchanging contact details. I was a minor, so I think it was like a thing. And then there was one other thing that I was going to answer and I forget what it was. Oh, yeah. The hardest goodbyes. Probably the hardest ones for me were employee employment terminations here. So, like some of the OGs. And when I say termination, I don't mean fired. I'm not saying if they quit or were fired, that's none of your business. But just like people that. Because there's some that, like, you know, I'm still in touch with and like, you know, it's chill. Like Taryn and I, not my boss, Taryn, the other Taren. We text once in a while. Like, Brandon came to movie night the other week. Like, there's people that I'm still in touch with, but. And we do our best to kind of part on good terms, but breakups are always complicated and emotional and sometimes, you know, they're not going to be on good terms. So those goodbyes can be really hard because these are again, people that you work with for a long time, a lot, and sometimes very intensely. There's a lot of bonding that takes place. It's really good.
- [180:01]
Dan
Could.
- [180:04]
Luke Lafreniere
I can't find an image. So I have come up with a. A terrible way.
- [180:09]
Linus Sebastian
You really, truly have. If the goal was terrible, you did it.
- [180:16]
Dan
And do you step in them like a cross?
- [180:19]
Luke Lafreniere
There's like one here and there's like one here.
- [180:25]
Linus Sebastian
And it's a crosswalk.
- [180:26]
Luke Lafreniere
It's not a crosswalk. I said the wrong term. It's like, like a.
- [180:29]
Dan
In.
- [180:29]
Luke Lafreniere
In suburbia. It's like a trail between houses or whatever.
- [180:33]
Dan
Oh.
- [180:34]
Luke Lafreniere
Like a pathway.
- [180:35]
Dan
That's a pretty good picture.
- [180:36]
Linus Sebastian
Like the vehicle blocker thing.
- [180:38]
Dan
That's really good. Yeah.
- [180:41]
Luke Lafreniere
Walking path. Not. Not crosswalk. I just said the wrong word.
- [180:43]
Dan
We're gonna put it on the fridge. Gold star.
- [180:47]
Luke Lafreniere
That's a.
- [180:47]
Dan
That's a pretty. Yeah.
- [180:48]
Luke Lafreniere
Okay. So those bars, you know, there's like a middle bar and then the high bar, and then they. So when I used to rollerblade all the time, I would deliver newspapers.
- [180:57]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah.
- [180:58]
Luke Lafreniere
Speed was of the essence. And when I was rollerblading but not delivering newspapers or if I, like, had a few to deliver through one of those walkways. So I'd, like, leave my big thing of newspapers and just go with a little bit and try to go really fast. I wouldn't want to weave around those because they would slow me down. So I came up with a way that I could. If I jumped, I could get the middle of my four wheels. I could lodge it on the bar and then lift myself up a little bit and get the middle of my other foot. So four wheels on the top bar and toss myself over and just, like, vault them.
- [181:32]
Linus Sebastian
Bloody hell. We shouldn't do that.
- [181:34]
Luke Lafreniere
So I did that every week for years, and it was awesome.
- [181:39]
Linus Sebastian
Don't try it again.
- [181:40]
Luke Lafreniere
My brother and I were both like, oh, no, dude, I might die. My brother and I were both very good. Yeah, it was awesome. And then I haven't done that genuinely since I was, like, a very early teenager.
- [181:53]
Linus Sebastian
Good.
- [181:54]
Luke Lafreniere
So if I tried. I have a feeling if I tried to stop now, I would biff super hard.
- [182:00]
Linus Sebastian
I literally can't find a picture of that. Yeah.
- [182:03]
Dan
Why?
- [182:03]
Linus Sebastian
Like, is that just so hard to search? Is that not a thing?
- [182:06]
Luke Lafreniere
I don't know.
- [182:07]
Linus Sebastian
Okay, well, anyway, I'm sure there's a.
- [182:09]
Dan
Proper term for it.
- [182:10]
Linus Sebastian
All right. Dan.
- [182:12]
Dan
Dan, you are not there at the time. Please don't answer this for Luke and Linus.
- [182:20]
Linus Sebastian
Okay.
- [182:20]
Dan
If the company was now still as small as it was five or six years ago, do you think people would have better opinions? Opinions of you?
- [182:27]
Linus Sebastian
That's a good question. Five or six years ago, we were a lot smaller. I think it'd go a little bit of both ways. I think there's a certain amount of inherent. I think there's. And it depends on the person. Like, some people will respect someone more the bigger their business is, or, like, whatever, regardless of how good of a person they are. Like, you look at the way we hold some number better jobs in super high regard. Like, the guy's personal life was a dumpster fire. Like, he was such an. Like, you know, and nobody even disputes it. Like, it's not like it's. It's not like people are like, no, he didn't completely, like, mistreat his partner and child. It's like, yeah, but Apple, he did amazing things. Yeah. Like, it's like. It's this sort of bizarre issue that I've talked about in the past, but I think we're doing a really poor job of choosing our male role models is kind of what I think it boils down to.
- [183:33]
Luke Lafreniere
I think we sort of always have.
- [183:35]
Linus Sebastian
Fair enough. I mean, we call him Alexander the Great, and he literally. I don't know if he came up with decimating Good, but he certainly did.
- [183:43]
Dan
A fair bit of it.
- [183:44]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah.
- [183:46]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [183:46]
Linus Sebastian
Anywho. But on the flip side, I think there's people that inherently feel worse about someone the more wealth they accumulate, which I can also see the perspective of.
- [184:05]
Luke Lafreniere
Especially now, as we're hitting, like, quite a peak of wealth disparity.
- [184:10]
Dan
Yes.
- [184:10]
Linus Sebastian
And we're ramping up into an unaffordability crisis that is impacting almost literally everyone, like, on earth.
- [184:24]
Dan
With that said, my son lives there.
- [184:26]
Linus Sebastian
Have you.
- [184:27]
Dan
Sorry, Tenant.
- [184:28]
Linus Sebastian
Have you been. Have you been following what's been going on with property? I sent you an article today.
- [184:33]
Luke Lafreniere
You did? I have not.
- [184:34]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, yeah, you should.
- [184:35]
Luke Lafreniere
Well, I mean, a little bit, but not enough.
- [184:37]
Linus Sebastian
You should. You should read it. Let me. Let me put it.
- [184:39]
Luke Lafreniere
I've been a little busy last few weeks.
- [184:41]
Linus Sebastian
Let me put it this way. The crash that I've been rooting for for some time, that I think will help significantly alleviate some of the pressure that people in the Vancouver area have been feeling. We appear to be on the precipice. Like, we're. We're already over the. We're already over here. And it seems. Seems like. It seems like the trajectory is this way.
- [185:05]
Luke Lafreniere
It makes sense. People keep saying this argument to me, and I don't have anything substantial to counter it with, but they're like, oh, yeah, everybody's just waiting. And then, like, when the market drops, like, a couple percent, which is an enormous amount in the housing market, they're just all going to rush and buy. And my constant gut feeling is, like, who?
- [185:25]
Dan
Dude, Corporations?
- [185:27]
Luke Lafreniere
Who are these people?
- [185:28]
Dan
People. They're gonna buy up all the cheap.
- [185:29]
Linus Sebastian
Housing because there's a demographic shift happening at the same time. Like, dude, there's so many businesses for sale on Facebook. Look, I buy one with a jet. Two for one.
- [185:43]
Luke Lafreniere
Your Facebook marketplace. I really really? Oh, it'll never happen. But it'll be so wonderful if I could just copy your algorithm and put it in mind because I would just.
- [185:52]
Dan
I want that as its own website.
- [185:53]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, I would. Linus's Facebook Marketplace is a website I would go to. I know I didn't speak directly to the mic. You can't hear that, but like man, you're seeing businesses.
- [186:04]
Dan
Not haunted monkey, two million dollar jet, just an entire business. Do you want to buy a Kroger for $26,000?
- [186:12]
Luke Lafreniere
She's a Nacho heater. Like it's actually amazing.
- [186:19]
Dan
Cursed Gatorade.
- [186:21]
Linus Sebastian
So there's next okay. For sale on Facebook because boomers are retiring and there's like literally no one to buy them. So they're cheap.
- [186:31]
Luke Lafreniere
Right.
- [186:32]
Linus Sebastian
So people are able to buy these things for like 1x EBITDA and like if they have some startup capital, which is a real challenge because they haven't had an opportunity in their life any.
- [186:42]
Luke Lafreniere
Money, so they like have to inherit it.
- [186:44]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. To build up a nest egg or credit worthy this.
- [186:46]
Dan
But you could just borrow against your house. Oh no, wait, wait, no. That's like real though. Yeah, that's how a lot of it gets started. Right.
- [186:54]
Linus Sebastian
So it's. So it's going to take some time, but I think we are. And the problem is that heading into this is going to be really painful in other ways. Like it's going to be a boon to people who are, who have managed to save and we're just waiting for things to get ever so slightly more affordable. But it could also be deeply problematic for people who are a little bit lower on the social ladder rungs and have not managed to accumulate the, the, the, the down payment that they need and whose employment could be impacted by the economic hardship that's going to take place and the like. Everything's. Oh, why is everyone show bad news wan show.
- [187:38]
Dan
It's almost like it's a reflection of the world. Oh no, wait, that's worse.
- [187:46]
Linus Sebastian
Irish luck asks, what is. What is ebitda? Ebitda, hold on.
- [187:54]
Luke Lafreniere
It's a really fun word that doesn't seem to mean anything.
- [187:56]
Linus Sebastian
It stands for earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization. It basically tells you how much money a company makes excluding any effects of financing, taxes and non cash accounting practices. So it's like a, like theoretically a. No bullshit. Like how profitable is this business?
- [188:17]
Luke Lafreniere
Theoretically? Yeah, big theoretically.
- [188:23]
Linus Sebastian
But there's always creative accounting.
- [188:26]
Luke Lafreniere
Yep.
- [188:28]
Linus Sebastian
Hit me. Dan.
- [188:29]
Dan
Hi, Linux Sebass. Do you feel burnt out due to the increased Workload as Chief Vision Officer compared to the time that you were thinking of retiring, do you feel more tired this time?
- [188:41]
Linus Sebastian
Well, I never get younger, which it turns out is a challenge because we hit our biological peak, man, at like, what is it, like, 23 to 27 or something like that? So everything's downhill. Every day my reflexes are slower. Oh, hi there. You know, like, every day I'm dumber. Every day my. My peak physical condition erodes a little bit, so I never feel more energized than before. However, I wouldn't say that my workload as CVO is increased is different. I was trying to cut back to four days a week for a long time. I never actually really got that day off. Actually, I shouldn't say never. I think it happened somewhere between three and five times. And then theoretically, I was gonna go to filming, like three days a week starting at the beginning of this June. But in practice, I've actually just started telling people I'm officially back to full time now because, I mean, the truth is we've been having some very challenging growth pains recently. And I don't mean this as a knock against anyone in particular. What I mean is that it's just very difficult scaling a company from. What's the German word again? Middlestadt?
- [190:08]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, something like that.
- [190:09]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, the good one. Mittelstand. Very difficult scaling a company from Mittelstand to even just being a sustainable Mittel stand. Actually, even if we weren't trying to 10x, which I don't even think we are trying to do.
- [190:27]
Luke Lafreniere
I'd kind of rather not.
- [190:28]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. People, people, people don't. People don't want to stick around for stagnation. Right. And staying Mittelstand forever might appeal to you or me or someone, but it might not appeal to, you know, maybe Dan maybe doesn't. Dan doesn't like that. Maybe that doesn't work for, you know, his career growth, growth, progression.
- [190:46]
Luke Lafreniere
I'd still ride the bus. But just like I applied some amount of resistance to us becoming the size we are now, I would apply a similar amount of resistance to us. 10 Xing.
- [190:57]
Dan
500 would be difficult enough.
- [191:01]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [191:02]
Dan
Thousand.
- [191:04]
Linus Sebastian
I would hope I was. When I was talking 10x, I was talking revenue, I would hope we could 10x revenue without.
- [191:09]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, I thought you were talking because we were talking about the difficulty.
- [191:12]
Linus Sebastian
Oh, God, no, I don't.
- [191:13]
Dan
Oh, yeah, 10x probably. Probably be 200. I would say 200. 220. You could probably do that. Level of revenue.
- [191:19]
Linus Sebastian
Depends. 10x revenue, dude. Yeah. Profit. Probably not.
- [191:22]
Luke Lafreniere
Let's go.
- [191:23]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah. 10x revenue. We might be able to do like if we really scaled our activities in LTT store and did like way more marketing. So we just like go for maximum top line revenue knowing that the profitability is going to drop like a rock, then. Yeah, something like that could work. Jira Soul says, imagine building an air table for a thousand people.
- [191:43]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, I read that and it gave me short term trauma and I'm not even doing it.
- [191:48]
Dan
It's going to be identical. There's. There's like no change. The. The complexity is in how many types of jobs.
- [191:57]
Linus Sebastian
That's a big problem here as.
- [191:59]
Luke Lafreniere
As much as.
- [191:59]
Dan
And it's a hundred jobs. It's not a hundred people. 200 people would still be about the.
- [192:04]
Luke Lafreniere
Same quantity unless we keep doing more and more things, which is what this company does. So.
- [192:10]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, we already did the hard rpn Linus coin. We'll have a system integrator. Now we're gonna have.
- [192:15]
Dan
Now it's just scope creep. And so we've already done the hard part.
- [192:18]
Luke Lafreniere
So we're fine. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Cuz I was gonna say no. Now it's a thousand jobs.
- [192:25]
Dan
I might need another couple months of vacation.
- [192:29]
Luke Lafreniere
By the way. This is the. This is the best example I can do.
- [192:33]
Linus Sebastian
Nice. Is that all the zoom you got?
- [192:36]
Luke Lafreniere
Basically.
- [192:37]
Dan
There we go.
- [192:37]
Linus Sebastian
Just like that.
- [192:38]
Luke Lafreniere
It won't. Keep it perfect.
- [192:40]
Linus Sebastian
Yeah, that's what he's talking about.
- [192:41]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah. Yeah, There you go. I can't. I tried. I tried every search term I could think of and. And couldn't find an actual example of it. In a walkway like that I could find just the bars.
- [192:56]
Dan
I found that and I've seen them everywhere.
- [192:59]
Linus Sebastian
They are.
- [192:59]
Luke Lafreniere
Oh, does somebody have a link? Close.
- [193:05]
Linus Sebastian
That's close. That's close.
- [193:06]
Luke Lafreniere
Not. It's not perfect.
- [193:07]
Linus Sebastian
That's close.
- [193:08]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [193:08]
Linus Sebastian
No, the one Luke showed is the one that we have all the. All over the place here.
- [193:12]
Luke Lafreniere
Yep.
- [193:13]
Linus Sebastian
The cyclist Ender says Curious bread.
- [193:16]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, there's some rough videos There are actually. Have you seen them?
- [193:20]
Linus Sebastian
No. Yeah, I don't need to see that.
- [193:22]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah.
- [193:23]
Linus Sebastian
I mean you're not supposed to be riding your bike there.
- [193:27]
Dan
It's just a slow down.
- [193:29]
Linus Sebastian
It's. It means slow down a lot. It means walk your bike.
- [193:33]
Luke Lafreniere
The rough videos are usually from where it didn't have them.
- [193:36]
Dan
And then they put them in because everybody rides looking at the ground.
- [193:41]
Luke Lafreniere
Well, it's a lot of. It's like coming down a hill or something.
- [193:46]
Linus Sebastian
That's bad.
- [193:47]
Dan
Should put a ramp.
- [193:48]
Luke Lafreniere
And if it's like really gloomy out and raining. And they're also gray. And like, the ones that I showed had, like little stripes at the top. Most of them don't.
- [193:56]
Dan
I have never seen them with any kind of indication that there is something.
- [193:59]
Luke Lafreniere
That'S gonna hurt you. That was unique about this one. Usually they're just gray metal. So, like, in certain conditions, they're not the easiest thing to see. And if you're traveling really fast, you can whack them pretty hard. I never have, but I. I know from video experience. Look up. Staggered barriers.
- [194:14]
Dan
I did.
- [194:15]
Linus Sebastian
Okay, last one.
- [194:16]
Dan
Last one I got for you. Hey, Linus, Luke and Dan. Wow, Somebody actually used normal words for a change. Still awake here in London. Enjoying the show. I am brainstorming an app idea that I want to build and I was wondering back at the beginning of Floatplane, how did you plan it out? That was my reaction when I read this too.
- [194:35]
Linus Sebastian
Ah, yes, plan.
- [194:38]
Luke Lafreniere
So Jake and I had a semblance of a plan and then we talked about it somewhere.
- [194:47]
Linus Sebastian
Concept of a plan, they say.
- [194:49]
Luke Lafreniere
Yeah, we had the idea of having a plan. We talked about it somewhere. I don't remember where that was. It was in a video or WAN show or something.
- [194:58]
Linus Sebastian
Nice.
- [194:59]
Luke Lafreniere
And then there was a thread made on the forum of people talking about it, and aj, who still works here, thank goodness, responded being like, neat plan, but you could do it this way. And it was like this really long write up of how we should actually do it. And then we brought him on and did that.
- [195:23]
Linus Sebastian
Nice, nice.
- [195:27]
Luke Lafreniere
And then we're like, wow, that was one of the worst times in history to make a video platform. So a lot of it has changed since then, but AJ's plan for that time was good.
- [195:39]
Linus Sebastian
Nice.
- [195:39]
Luke Lafreniere
It's just, with hindsight, it's just like, wow, those weren't bad ideas, but nice. Rough.
- [195:47]
Linus Sebastian
See you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel.
- [195:53]
Luke Lafreniere
Bye.
- [196:17]
Dan
Now. Put the price up.