YouTube Is Making People B̶l̶o̶o̶d̶y Mad - WAN Show October 31, 2025

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YouTube Is Making People Bloody Mad - WAN Show, October 31, 2025
Date: November 1, 2025
Hosts: Linus Sebastian & Luke Lafreniere

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Episode Overview

This episode of The WAN Show dives into a tumultuous week in the tech world, with Linus and Luke tackling hot topics such as YouTube’s divisive policy changes (gambling, age restrictions, AI upscaling, and violence in games), Nintendo losing a key capture patent in Japan, the rise of bulk AI-powered astroturfing, the reality of next-gen humanoid house robots, shifting GPU driver support, Chinese luxury EVs, and persistent frustrations around login UX and hardware support. As always, the tone is energetic, irreverent, and peppered with real-world anecdotes.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. YouTube Policy Overhaul: Gambling, Violence, and AI Updates

• Main Points
  • New rules curb content directing viewers to gambling—including not just real-money sites, but also digital goods betting (skins, NFTs, etc.).
  • Wider age restrictions and content bans on “casino-style” games, even those with no real-world payout, plus increased age gating for violent video game content (e.g., torture, mass violence against non-combatants).
  • AI-powered super resolution upscaler rolling out for all videos under 1080p.
• Hosts’ Views
  • Both Linus and Luke see merit in tighter gambling controls but are skeptical about YouTube running gambling ads while restricting creators.
  • Concerns about overreach: “Even Pokemon Blue getting banned somewhere because it, there was ... the casino has a casino in it.” — Linus (05:04)
  • Much confusion and debate about what exactly gets restricted, and whether YouTube will consistently enforce these vague guidelines.
  • Speculation that the crackdown is preemptive for the GTA 6 launch and its inevitable content flood.
• Memorable Quotes
  • “It's pretty handwavy. It seems like there's a lot of room for interpretation here.” — Luke (10:21)
  • “Google is not the law.” — Luke (10:38)
• Timestamps
  • Gambling/violence changes: [01:53]–[14:56]
  • Age-restricted content and policy parsing: [12:05]–[15:16]

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2. YouTube’s AI Super Resolution Upscaling

• Main Points
  • YouTube to offer HD “AI-enhanced” versions of SD content; originals remain but new upscaled copies appear in quality menu.
  • Rollout is inconsistent; most viewers haven’t seen it yet.
  • Creators can opt out for specific videos.
• Hosts’ Views
  • Uncertainty about the timeline and exact implementation; tech demos are limited.
  • Good in principle, but may harm retro/pixel content (“There’s gonna be a lot of content that is not gonna benefit too much from this.” — Linus [19:53])
• Timestamps
  • Upscaler coverage: [17:25]–[22:16]

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3. Broader Conversation: Age Verification, Vices, and Advertising Ethics

• Main Points
  • Is strict online age verification feasible or a privacy nightmare?
  • Should vices like gambling, alcohol, and tobacco be advertised at all?
  • US versus Canada regulation, flavored cigarettes, sports ads, and societal responsibility discussed.
• Memorable Quotes
  • “If you’re going to make an ends-justify-the-means argument, shouldn’t the ends be something other than more money?” — Linus (32:06)
  • “At some point, even the most anti-regulation person eventually goes, ‘well, we should probably regulate something.’” — Luke (35:26)
• Timestamps
  • Age Verification: [23:45]–[25:46]
  • Vices & Advertising: [29:46]–[36:54]

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4. Nintendo’s Lost Pokémon Capture Patent in Japan

• Main Points
  • JPO rejects Nintendo’s patent on “throw a ball, capture character” mechanics, undermining their legal case against Palworld devs.
  • Possible weakening of Nintendo’s litigation threat, but unlikely to curb their future aggressiveness.
• Memorable Quotes
  • “If Nintendo ultimately loses this lawsuit… Will it encourage more fighting back? ... I don’t feel like this will slow Nintendo down at all.” — Linus (42:46)
• Timestamps
  • Patent discussion: [37:15]–[43:17]

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5. AI-Astroturfing: The Phone Farm Era

• Main Points
  • Startup Double Speed AI, bankrolled by Andreessen Horowitz, mass-creates fake engagement with “phone farm” bots physically mimicking human behavior—designed to evade social platform detection.
  • The phone farms already operate at scale for marketing/direct messaging.
• Hosts’ Reaction
  • Alarm at how easy it is for spam/fake content to thrive; concern about the “dead Internet theory” (i.e., the future is mostly bots).
  • Some tinfoil-hat speculation about how these trends serve to erode open platforms on purpose, though skepticism about such coordination.
• Memorable Quotes
  • “That’s where your fake Internet comes from.” — Linus (59:06)
  • “Dead Internet theory, baby.” — Luke (59:11)
• Timestamps
  • AI astroturfing: [55:37]–[64:07]

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6. Humanoid House Robots: Neo and the Mechanical Turk Problem

• Main Points
  • The $20,000 “Neo” robot supposed to handle chores, is really (for now) just remote-operated (“Turk’d”) by humans most of the time—early buyers = beta testers.
  • Discussed as both an overhyped tech demo and potential future breakthrough for elder care/assisted living, if the robots actually improve.
• Memorable Quotes
  • “Basically they're just saying up front what everyone else has had to admit after the fact.” — Luke (67:56)
  • “Imagine needing to hire a maid to clean up after your cleaning robot.” — Linus (70:38)
• Timestamps
  • House robots: [65:03]–[77:42]

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7. GPU Driver Support and AMD’s (Briefly) Abandoned Cards

• Main Points
  • AMD initially announced no new features/optimizations for RX 5000/6000 (“maintenance mode”), then backtracked after pushback.
  • Uncertainty still remains about what “maintenance mode” actually means.
• Timestamps
  • [87:39]–[91:17]

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8. Chinese EVs Set a New Bar for Luxury

• Main Points
  • Linus describes being chauffeured in a top-end Huawei-partnered Chinese EV, featuring star-lit headliners, in-seat controls, recliners, massage, fridge, privacy mode, and built-in projector—all for ~$100–140k.
  • Discussion of Ford CEO’s past warnings: “the North American auto industry is cooked” if it doesn’t catch up.
• Memorable Quotes
  • “As to my...unrefined buttock, I’m looking at this thing going, how is it realistically going to get way beyond...this thing?” — Linus (163:16)
• Timestamps
  • Chinese EV segment: [150:31]–[165:00]

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9. Other Highlights

Login UX and Security Frustrations

• Linus rants about multi-step login, separate username/password screens, 2FA flows, and hardware keys, especially for power users/SaaS-heavy companies.
• Wishes for better, less annoying solutions—finds Google’s current prompt-based login the least painful.
• “It just takes, it’s a time sap. It doesn’t make me more efficient, it doesn’t make me happier, ... It just is annoying.” — Linus (134:39)
• Timestamps: [119:18]–[136:46]

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Google Obsoleting Nest Gen 2 Thermostats

• Devices are “e-waste” overnight as local access is denied; calls for right-to-repair and user ownership of smart devices.
• Community working on hacks, but Google’s actions widely criticized.
• Timestamps: [137:07]–[139:46]

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Labs Article Shout-outs

• Dynamic Power Apple charger, Logi Bolt security deep dive, and AirPods Pro 3’s unique volume-dependent tuning all covered in new LTT Labs articles.
• Suggestion: Labs articles should be promoted in TechLinked/primary news sources.
• Timestamps: [139:51]–[145:10]

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Viewer Q&A/Merch Messages

• Memorable viewer questions include: “What’s the oldest hardware you’d actually recommend?”, “What wireless tech could replace Bluetooth?”, and “Do sponsors pay for Riley’s song ads?” (Answer: yes, but he also enjoys it).
• Fun product suggestion: ASCII art shirts as both a compliance hack and LTT merch.
• Timestamps: [168:26]–[178:02]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Google is not the law.” — Luke on vague, handwave-y policies (10:38)
• “Who was it that hosted? Was it the Oscars? And they basically, like, roasted everyone...Ricky Gervais. He’s so good.” — Luke (64:51)
• “Imagine needing to hire a maid to clean up after your cleaning robot.” — Linus, on the Neo robot (70:38)
• “Dead Internet theory, baby.” — Luke, AI astroturfing (59:11)
• “As to my...unrefined buttock, I’m looking at this thing going, how is it realistically going to get way beyond...this thing?” — Linus, re: Chinese luxury EVs (163:16)

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Timestamps for Core Segments

• YouTube Policy Changes: 01:53–14:56
• Gambling/Violent Content: 01:53–15:16
• AI Super Resolution: 17:25–22:16
• Age Verification/Vices: 23:45–36:54
• Nintendo Patent Loss: 37:15–43:17
• AI Astroturfing: 55:37–64:07
• Humanoid Robots: 65:03–77:42
• GPU Driver News: 87:39–91:17
• Chinese EVs: 150:31–165:00
• Login UX Rant: 119:18–136:46
• Google Kills Nest: 137:07–139:46
• Labs Articles: 139:51–145:10
• Q&A, Merch Messages: 168:26–end

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Tone and Takeaways

In classic WAN Show fashion, Linus and Luke are energetic and irreverent, skewering big tech while openly recognizing the nuances of policy, societal impact, and the relentless pace of technological change. The episode offers a wide-ranging, rich exploration of the week's tech debates, big and small, driven by a mix of professional perspective and lived experience.

If you want a deep (and opinionated!) catch-up on the latest YouTube, gaming, AI, and gadget news—from patent drama to policy confusion, robot skepticism, and luxury EV envy—this episode is essential listening.

Transcript

[Linus Sebastian]

Welcome to the WAN show, everybody.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We got lots of topic here for you today. Luke House robots are almost here.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's kind of crazy, no?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, and YouTube is bringing updates. Surely that will go great, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

Probably not. Also, we've got Marc Andreessen funding AI powered astroturfing because we needed more bad things in the world, I guess. And Nintendo may have lost a key patent in in Japan.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know what else is crazy is this intro from Noki.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The show is brought to you today by Saily, Neuro, Ubiquiti and Server Pro. And of course that's alongside our rap partner dBrand, our chair partner Secretlab, and our laptop partner Dell. The laptops are hiding a little bit today. They're hiding behind our spooky vision skull, but that's okay. Yeah, you can imagine that they're there. They're powering the reliable way that we're going to be able to go through the WAN doc with you guys and enjoy all these wonderful topics. Why don't we kick things right off with the big YouTube news this week? How do they manage to do this? It's almost like they try to make the most unpopular possible decisions. I mean, we had that one thing recently where I was like, oh, that seems pretty cool. Where they had the AI powered likeness recognition so you could opt out of having AI slop using your likeness all over the platform.

[Linus Sebastian]

That was cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That seemed pretty cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

That seemed like objectively good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then they followed up with a triple whammy worth of updates and policy changes with an AI super resolution upscaler that's planned to be applied to all videos under 1080p. Oh, was it all videos or all livestreams? Okay, I seem to remember seeing an email about livestreams, but this says videos, so that's interesting. As well as a crackdown on both violent video games and gambling content. This expanded crackdown, which goes into effect Nov. 17, is paired with more stringent Age verification will prohibit content that directs viewers to online gambling sites, which now includes digital goods gambling like video game skins, cosmetics and NFTs. And YouTube will also be age restricting casino style games without real world monetary value. Big G is also adding broader criteria for violent video game content that will be age restricted, such as scenes of torture or mass violence against non combatants, such as. So this is a whole bunch to unpack. Let's start with the stuff that I wholeheartedly agree with. YouTube does not need to direct people to online gambling sites. If anything, I think the professional sports space could stand to learn a little bit from YouTube here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Has YouTube not been taking advertising from gambling sites?

[Luke Lafreniere]

See, they have, which is why I'm finding the whole thing kind of confusing. So rules for the. And not for me. But can I just take this as a small.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's not really a win, is it?

[Linus Sebastian]

It really feels like maybe they're just trying to take all the pie from gambling site funding.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right, right. But from which country is it? American Pie Is it?

[Linus Sebastian]

I also, I'm just recognizing that you don't have a Halloween costume, which is a Halloween costume because other people dress up as you. So if you dressed up in a Halloween costume, it actually kind of screwed the whole thing up, which is like the most amazing loophole ever. And I'm just, I think, very good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I went as a tech YouTuber.

[Linus Sebastian]

There you go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then so we've also got the bit where you're not allowed to direct viewers. So yeah, you can't direct viewers to online gambling sites which now includes video game skins, cosmetics and NFTs. I mean, oh man, how do we. Okay. Because I do, I actually do support that because it was clear that nobody else was going to do anything about it. And so it feels, it feels like for YouTube to step in and go, yeah, no, you actually can't do that. I like that. I also honestly really like the idea of age restricting casino style games, even if they don't have real world monetary value. I do think that there's a level of extreme that's not necessary. Like I don't know if you remember this, but a little while back there was some controversy around like even Pokemon Blue getting banned somewhere because it, there was. The casino has a casino in it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Seems a little much.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that seems a little bit much.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it's not a core mechanic. If I remember correctly. I would just skip it every single time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Because you lose all your money.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But like in general, I think I've spoken extensively enough in the past about my frustration with gambling mechanics. Being introduced to children in everywhere from video games to real world settings, weddings, like the collectibles. Yeah. Happy meals, even arcades. Right. Like you think you're playing a game of skill. What you're actually playing is a game of chance and you are putting in a whole bunch of money. Then at the end you get a little dopamine rush, you know, Barrel of Monkeys or whatever toy, and you go, wow, I won. But what you actually did was lose. And like I've had to have that conversation with My kids, where they go, oh, yeah. The best deal in the Castle Fun park prize bin is. Is this.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm like, actually, the best deal is if mommy and dadd had just spent the money that we spent on these gambling games and just bought you a barrel of monkeys. But of course, you know, that wouldn't have been as fun. We just need to recognize it for what it is. Paying an amount of money to have the amount of fun that was playing these games. The prize is not a prize. It's a sucker prize, which sometimes is a sucker. If you like lollies.

[Linus Sebastian]

Could be. All right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Candy. Oh. Oh. Anyway, does anybody know if YouTube does allow gambling ads, like, on the site? I. I don't. I have YouTube Premium, so I. I wouldn't really see stuff like that. Like, can you, like. Do you. Do you get ads for, like. I. I don't know. What's a gambling thing? Poker stars? Is that still a thing?

[Linus Sebastian]

I have no idea.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I have no idea. What's.

[Linus Sebastian]

What's one of the sports betting. I don't know what's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Inspiral says it's all gambling ads. Yeah, they've seen stake ads, seen DraftKings. Okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. DraftKings. That's one of the ones. Okay, cool. So, yeah, man, this does feel a little bit. Rules for thee and not for me. But then again, it is. It is okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

If I can try to. I don't know. Devil's advocates are the right term for this. If I can try to vouch for them a little bit, which I don't necessarily think this is accurate, but if I can, maybe they think at least that they can control the narrative around their ads more. Maybe they can target it to the. The right people. The right people being adults, maybe they think that they can do that stuff a little bit better than creators just being unable to because they're just blasting their video out there. And then.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know what? I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna take this as a small win. Still then, because they could. They could get even more money because they could sell tart, like, gambling content targeted. Hold up just a second. They could sell gambling. Targeted gambling ads against gambling content, and there would be more money in it for them if they allowed that content to go to the broadest possible audience versus if they restricted it in any way, extremely small. W. I'm talking like. I'm talking like three. Three point. Okay. On an enlarged sheet of paper, like on an industrial printer. Okay. But There is a, A tiny W in there. Small W. I don't know because I.

[Linus Sebastian]

Think the gambling content still happens because a lot of, A lot of original back in the day style and I'm sure this still happens. Gambling. You know, creator monetization was gambling sites giving people a ton of money to gamble on their site. So it was like in a lot of cases, undisclosed sponsorship effectively and then actual. Just sponsorship. What they're cracking down on is linking, not making that content. I believe.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Digital goods, blah blah, blah. Which will prohibit content that directs viewers to it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean directs viewers and.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But they will also age. Restrict casino style games without real world monetary value. It's like. No, I.

[Linus Sebastian]

So casino style games without real world monetary value. So it could still have real world monetary value if it was a real casino and they're only actually restricting you from linking to it. So to my interpretation, you can still make that content. You just can't link to the site that you're playing on. Does it say link or direct? It says directs.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Strengthened approach here. I'm going to bring up the original source. Okay. Prohibits content that directs viewers to online gambling sites or applications that are not certified by Google. So yeah, it comes down to that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Certified by Google is very different wording than what we had in the. In the dock.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Including digital goods. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Social casino content.

[Dan]

Okay. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Graphic gaming. Yeah, yeah, it's. I gotta be honest with you, it's pretty, it's pretty handwavy. It seems like there's a lot of room for interpretation here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which, which it's gonna have to be is in their defense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Is pretty much what you have to do when you create site guidelines. I mean this is not a law. Right. Google is not the law.

[Linus Sebastian]

And if you make it super specific, people will just work around. Happened to Twitch and they just became a laughingstock. You like have to do it vaguely, unfortunately. So we'll see what that actually turns into. The violence in video game one is interesting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, well that one I wanted to unpack a little bit separately. Sure. Let's move on to it. You know what, you're right. Yep. Let's talk about.

[Linus Sebastian]

I saw some speculation online that this was preemptive for the GTA 6 launch.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which actually yeah. I had basically the same reaction of like, interesting because you know there's going to be an insane flood of content whether. I mean it's probably going to be good, but whether the game is good or not, an incredible amount of people will play it and there will be an incredible Amount of content made about it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. And a lot of it will probably include scenes of doing things to NPCs that could constitute, well, pretty much mass violence against non combatants.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, honestly, everything. There will also be gambling.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

There will also be the skins. There also be like literally everything in this update will have something to do with gta.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, that actually, that actually makes a ton of sense.

[Linus Sebastian]

Who knows. But I, I saw that idea and it seemed super legit to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It also could just be something that's been on the docket basically forever and then waiting for a quiet moment to just kind of make these changes and roll them out. I, I, I was not expecting this to ever happen. And I got to tell you, some of our content would fall under these guidelines as potentially being age gated, which, oh, is sort of a downer because this is the next section, like what, what this means for you and your content. Content uploaded before November 17th, 2025 that violates these guidelines may be removed or age restricted, but will not result in a strike. Remember, age restricted videos can stay on your channel for 18 plus audiences. So I tend to, what content do.

[Linus Sebastian]

You think would get.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Whenever we fire up cyberpunk, just as like a benchmark, I tend to play Carmageddon because then I don't have to aim and we can just kind of, you know, rip around in the city and, and it attracts the police, which gives me an opportunity to get into a firefight. Like it just is, it's kind of.

[Linus Sebastian]

It'S not necessarily a scene of torture, but it's definitely mass violence against non combatants.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it really is, isn't it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

See, I always thought of them as just sort of digital pixels. I didn't really, you know, think it mattered.

[Linus Sebastian]

Non combatant. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So this could affect a not totally insignificant number of our older videos.

[Linus Sebastian]

You should, you should find a like generic clip of like some like, I don't know, what's that? There was some like terrible flash game back in the day where you took care of like horses. You just like brushed horses. You should get like footage of that. It's like every, every time you go on a Carmageddon spree, it just like covers the screen with YouTube. YouTube? Appropriate content.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I don't know. So you can make edits. YouTube does have their, their built in video editor tool you can use to trim or blur the footage. But you'd have to make any changes before November 17th. So we would have to find whatever videos have this. We'd have to go in and I think realistically, I'm just gonna not bother. And then anything that they flag on us, we're just going to appeal and then fix in the meantime, and then we'll hopefully sort it out that way. There are some. There. There are some sort of guidelines that they use to. To determine whether it's violative of their policy. So the duration matters if the graphic scene is sustained rather than fleeting. So for compilation videos, they will now consider the cumulative duration of all the graphic clips combined.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then there's prominence. So if the violent imagery is zoomed in or is the main focus of the scene. And this one bones me a little. If the. If it's against realistic human characters. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a small portion of the video, though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So maybe we'll go some credit there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. Some social credit. You know, I was just in China, so I had social credit on the mind here.

[Linus Sebastian]

I found a YouTube. YouTube acceptable game. You just run around and you collect carrots. Jump. We did it. Yay. Oh, wait, more carrots. Jump. I'm going to. Oh, no, I made it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I actually don't think this is acceptable. I learned recently visiting the Bunny Cafe in Vancouver with my daughter that carrots are actually too sweet for bunnies.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are they too sweet for horses?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not healthy. Oh. So, no.

[Linus Sebastian]

What are they supposed to eat?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Root vegetables.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They can eat leafy. Leafy greens.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. And probably other things, but. But they said carrots are too sweet. Not good for them. There are bunny cafes. Yes, there are bunny cafes. This one's not one of the depressing ones where, like, the animals are abused and stuff, though. They. They work as a. Like a shelter and rehoming service. So when you go in, all of the bunnies that are in there can be adopted, which is pretty cool. So, yeah, I don't. I don't remember what it's called. I feel like I should look it up now, but it's like the Bunny Cafe in Vancouver.

[Linus Sebastian]

Carrots seem to be good for horses.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, that's nice. It's called the Bunny cafe.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, fantastic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

1696 Venables Street. There you go. Bunny Cafe. Pretty chill. They seem like cool people. I've never been to a cat cafe because I live in one. Stale Biscuit asked. We have four cats living in our house right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Does Yvonne drink coffee? Not a cafe. Then neither of you drink coffee.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We have coffee just in case someone visits. I mean, technically, you walk into a Starbucks, nobody's actually drinking coffee. Is it still a cafe? I say yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, because they have coffee.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So they have coffee.

[Linus Sebastian]

Having coffee.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, sure, we have coffee.

[Linus Sebastian]

Fair enough.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Got him. Okay, we do have some.

[Linus Sebastian]

Now I get to tell the local government about Linus's illegal cafe business in his house.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Would you like to watch the tech linked example of the AI sharpening?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So the super resolution upscaler.

[Linus Sebastian]

Absolutely.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, here we go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Can we see this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, well, I hope so. Well, that's fine. I don't think we need audio. It's more of a visual experience. Oh my God.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is it a visual experience?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Linus, it's a visual experience. What am I even watching?

[Linus Sebastian]

Whatever it is, Disneyland is my guest. Nope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Disneyland. Okay, so hold on a second. First things first.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, is this just the same thing that we saw months ago that Riley talked about months ago? Is this months ago? Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hold on, hold on. That's not what I thought this was.

[Linus Sebastian]

I assumed this was different.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Opt out AI super resolution. All videos under 1080p as well as a crackdown. Hold on, hold on. Okay, I need to double check something to make sure that I don't say something that I can't say. YouTube debuts AI enhanced super resolution for low res videos. Blah blah blah, high resolution derivatives, blah blah blah blah, will clearly indicate them as super resolution, leaving the originals intact. Okay, in the case of offending videos, creators can opt out. Okay, blah blah blah. So YouTube produces additional HD copies of a low res source of material. Gives you the option of using them in the quality menu next to the original originals. So no, my understanding is that this is not shorts directed. It may be using the same technology, which is maybe why Riley linked it like that. But it will look like this. So we may have to go source ourselves a new example of this. Maybe we could try Charlie bit my finger and see if it has been. If it has been AI super resolution.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I went to the zoo.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You could try that one too. That would be a. That would be a great example of something that might have a thing. Charlie bit my finger. Original does not have any super resolution.

[Linus Sebastian]

Neither does me at the zoo.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Alright, if anyone finds one, go ahead and throw it in the chat and then we can have a look at it after.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is it rolled out already or are they just saying they're gonna roll it out?

[Luke Lafreniere]

YouTube debuts. Yeah. Has anyone else, anyone else actually seen it? Is there a time frame for this? I mean, they definitely rolled it out on shorts. There's gonna be a lot of content that is not gonna benefit too much from this. Like any kind of like pixel art style gaming videos.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think anyone's seen it. I don't think it's really out much yet. Or if at all.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, oh, hold on a second. Okay, this. There's no way that this doesn't have it. Oh, no, no, no.

[Linus Sebastian]

What? Someone linked the. The old Badger, Badger, badger song, and I was like, oh, no way. Like, that one has it. So I went to go check it. No, they just linked it for fun, I think.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

It doesn't have. There's no. It's just like auto 240 and 144.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, well, it was worth a shot. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. When Bingo Chronified says Charlie bit my finger has it for me.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so it's a. It's a user rollout thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, that's a bummer. Hold on a second. They sent two links. Oh, imgur link. Here we go. Yeah. So that's what. That's what it looks like for you.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hey, interesting that the even lower ones don't have it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Trays and terasa. Do we have like a. Like a side by side? Kato S says, try this one. Of course it is, because. Of course it is. Thank you for that. Very useless. Also, this is already a 4K remaster, so there would be no need for them to upscale it again. Man, it's been a while. It's been a while since anyone has helpfully linked that particular absolute banger of a music video. I think we can move on now.

[Linus Sebastian]

It is kind of a banger, isn't it? It's a solidly good song.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah. No, no doubt. Yeah. Absolutely love it. And wholesome too, you know, like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, why do songs about, you know, being attracted to members of the opposite sex have to be all, you know, vulgar?

[Linus Sebastian]

Are the same sex ones not vulgar?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, not inherently.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, they're not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. Why?

[Dan]

Because.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why do you. Why do you single out opposite sex ones?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, because that's what Never Gonna Give youe Up is about. I assume there's a. There's a lady in the. In the video.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just don't understand what the differentiation.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, no, I'm just. I'm. I'm just. I'm contrasting with, you know, songs about. And hoes. Like.

[Linus Sebastian]

But what if it is a. What if it is a lesbian singing about bitches that. Well, that's suddenly totally chill.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I. I think they're allowed to do that. What? I. I'm not taking a position here.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think you are.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, is it on the bottom or top? Okay, we should. We should probably Move on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, what next position?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot more discussion topics on this one actually. Like, there's, there's, where's the line between, you know, do you think strict online age verification is a long term solution? Is the cost and privacy worth protecting our children? I mean, if I thought they could do it effectively and safely and maintain privacy and, and not have all of this data leak. No, I don't think it would, I don't think I would mind it actually. I, I wouldn't mind age gating things. Like, to me, it's not really any different than them checking ID at the, @ the ticket counter of a movie.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, like. I know, I know, but I don't trust them. I know. The, the seedier sides of the Internet have been available to us since effectively the beginning of the Internet. Some of the oldest parts of the Internet are very not safe for work.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think they're that old.

[Linus Sebastian]

Those jokes have got to stop.

[Dan]

Gonna wear out the button.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's not a joke.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, where was I going with this? Right? But before it, like, in my experience, you had to be pretty deliberate about seeking it out. And now a lot easier now, now it's just there. Like you almost can't be on most parts of the Internet anymore without it being shoved in your face. And it's, it's, it's pretty nuts. So like, yeah, I don't know, in general, at least a, like heavily filtered mode because, you know, the kids are gonna get around it. But if it wasn't just like passively there all the time, that would probably be better.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I mean, our next question. Actually, this has been very top of mind for me. I just, like I said, I just got back from China and they have a very different approach to the tobacco industry than we do here in Canada. So I was, I was chatting with Sharad from the business team about it a fair bit because apparently a pretty popular thing to do when you go to China is to load up on your, your allowance of flavored cigarettes and bring them back because they've been banned here for. I don't think they lasted very long. Like, I have no idea. Yeah, flavored cigarettes I think were a thing here for a little while, but, but they, they basically went away because it was determined that they were much more appealing to kids.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, adults like flavored things too, but it was, it was more of the concern about, you know, thinking of the children. Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

Adult flavored things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And, um, they had, they had like all kinds of Cigarette innovations. Like I'm, I'm a non smoker so to me it's like, oh yeah, interesting. Like I'm not going to smoke them. But I'm like, oh, that's pretty clever if you wanted people to smoke more. Like there was one that they had that had. So I learned how flavored cigarettes work. Didn't know that before. So they have a little gel in them. Like I assumed that the tobacco itself would be infused with.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Some kind of.

[Linus Sebastian]

I probably would have assumed the same flavor.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So that when you burn it, it like something like a candle. I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like the, the fuel of the fire would have been somehow soaked in it or something. I don't know. But no, apparently that's not how it works. You just have like normal tobacco and then you have like a gel bead that you like squish and then as.

[Linus Sebastian]

You'Re inhaling, breathing it through the filter or whatever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Then it. So they had this one that seemed to have like multiple gel gels in it so that you could create different combinations of flavors. And I'm just like freaking. What? Like, I mean, cool idea. I guess like I said, if you're trying to get people to smoke more and they, they had like this like Sherrod was collecting like cool packages. So there was this flying horse one that's from some meme. Like, if smoking so bad, why is the horse so happy or something like that? I don't. Was some. He was explaining it to me. He's. He's very into the memes, let's put it that way. And, and so he like got this pack of like blue flying horse. Are you looking it up?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't really want to share it on screen, but I am trying to look it up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, the top left. Top left, right there. Now it's fine. We can just show the people they're adults. If cigarette bad, why horse happy? Checkmate. Liberal. So he was. So we went on a mission to find these cigarettes with the flying horse on them.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it made me sort of. It really just made it impossible for me to not notice the contrast between their approach, which seems to be pretty much have at it versus here in Canada. Sharad was telling me that they're not even allowed to like brand them anymore. Like never mind getting rid of Joe Camel. Like they're allowed to say what the brand is, but they're not allowed to have flying horses on them. They're not allowed to have pretty elegant looking ladies smoking on them. Or you know, Anything like that. Yeah, and they have just like the, you know, gross out nastiest pictures on them because you know, we have socialized health care so you know, we literally all pay for people's vices collectively which incentivize the government very strongly to advise people that hey, they probably shouldn't do things that are extremely harmful and extremely expensive to treat.

[Linus Sebastian]

I've always been really fascinated how the smoke break became a thing at workplaces.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No comment.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe not a topic we want to dive into, but that has always been like genuinely fascinating to me that that became a thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, no, it's, it's mandated. So like our, our how our workplace employment code or whatever you have to have like there's certain like mandated break allowances and I think it's been rev. Revised since then. But my understanding was at some point the cigarette break was specifically for cigarettes and if you were a non smoker you just didn't get it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, but I believe when I worked at the bread factory that was the rule.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I believe Everybody gets the 15 minute breaks or whatever they are now. Don't quote me on that. I don't work in the HR department. So if anyone from LMG is watching, talk to HR before you start randomly taking.

[Linus Sebastian]

I haven't looked into it in years. The 15 minute breaks last time I heard were like approval basis. And yeah, I know way back in the day it's very likely changed by now. But when I used to work at the bread factory, I remember complaining to management because I couldn't take 15 minute breaks because I didn't smoke. And I was like, this seems very backwards. I don't even necessarily like care about taking the break. That's fine. But like the fact that there is a benefit if you are a smoker is crazy to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So anyway, the question that sort of prompted me to talk about just noticing this difference was should vices like vapes, cannabis, alcohol, gambling, etc. Should they be allowed to advertise at all? I mean, I'll say this much, I liked watching sports more before every flipping stupid ad was just.

[Linus Sebastian]

And the commentators talking about it sometimes and stuff. I agree. But at the same time more people watch sports now and are maybe more engaged. So if you're the company, if you're the NFL, you might want it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Or quite quite famously the NBA has talked about it extensively that the viewers are more engaged and they spend more. But then if going to make an ends justify the means argument, shouldn't the ends be something other than more money? Like should There be a more positive, like societally positive end if you're going to ends justify the means me on this.

[Linus Sebastian]

The company will never take that route. They're multi billion dollar whatever MBAs all over the place company. They're.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. But our question is, should they be allowed?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So we're talking on a government stance.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know, like, it's weird because you get into like free speech stuff and whatnot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. Yeah. And just like freedom of, you know, being a, being an adult with, you know, agency. I mean, I think that's, that's something that, you know, I've thought about a lot ever since my sister's passing. Right. Like is at the end of the day, I don't like the decision that she made. But if somebody chooses to harm their body, whether it's harming it just a little bit or whether it's harming it an awful lot. Like.

[Linus Sebastian]

But then there's like, what can you do? Where does the argument end? Right. Because like, do you ban snowboarding?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, exactly. That's a great point.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do you ban almost every sport?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's a great, it's a great point because I mean you can even, you could even make. And I'd say it's a pretty bad faith argument, but there would be some logical basis to it. Like you could make an argument that sports done excessively can be extremely harmful, that sports done excessively can cause a similar sort of chemical release in your body that makes you want to do more and more and more of it and that you can become obsessive, I mean anything in unhealthy quantities.

[Linus Sebastian]

There are some people, like, that is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really bad for you.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's people that get addicted to working out and that can show up in bad ways.

[Luke Lafreniere]

100%.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, but what are you supposed to do?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Ban advertising, doing sports? Should gyms not be able to advertise?

[Linus Sebastian]

If we're talking about the, the weight on the medical system as well.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, my family knew how to effectively sneak into the emergency wing of the local hospital because we were in there so often that it was just like annoying to have to talk to the people and be like, yeah, we know someone in here, we should be able to visit them because we did every single sport possibly imaginable. So like little problems here and there were pretty normal.

[Dan]

Get one of those stamp card things.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Certain amount of visits.

[Dan]

Oh, another, another leg there, bud.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I don't know. But then, you know, the flip side of it is so again, so you know, where should Be the line then. Should, should. Should I have to flip on you and see a commercial for fentanyl? Right. For. For fent pills.

[Linus Sebastian]

I've. I have generally enjoyed that. The. I like that it's strange watching TV in the States because we don't have the amount of like lawyer and pharmaceutical ads that they have down there. I like that we don't have those. I watch their TV and go, wow, I'm happy I don't have these ads. Not that I exactly watch TV up here either, but you know what I mean. More House hippo, less Xanax from Dan. I agree. Yeah. The house hippo was based.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Birdian says, I've never seen an ad for fent pills. No, I know. It's a hypothetical exaggeration. Yeah, no, well, not. Well, it's. It's. It's just a wee bit. It's demonstrating that at some point, like I think fundamentally when you really get into it, even the most anti regulation person eventually goes, oh well, we should probably regulate that something. Yeah, yeah. It's just that where you end up in a very difficult conversation sometimes is that everyone has the line at a different point. Like I think the vast majority of people should. Would probably agree that, you know, that like methamphetamine probably shouldn't be just, you know, advertised during a sports ball game. You know, you shouldn't have athletes wearing like, you know, meth4u.com emblems on their helmets.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm able to keep playing through the pain because.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right. Like we could probably all agree that that's not good. We probably shouldn't do that. But then, you know, you end up over, over on the flip side where it's just.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just thought of it totally. Yeah. I don't even want to see it. Should I see it? I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Who cares?

[Linus Sebastian]

Germans like long hikes. Do you want to keep going on long hikes? That's a reference. Do you want to be able to keep hiking through the night?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so anyway. Yeah. Wow. So maybe what we could do is a new topic. Why don't we do that? Luke, you want to pick one?

[Linus Sebastian]

Nintendo may have a poly. Oh no. Nintendo may have lost a key.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's not funny when you are the next Poland.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ah, yes. Nintendo may have lost a key. Pokemon capture Patent filing in Japan. We have a bunch of different sources for this. Games for a creative block PC Gamer gamesfray reported the JPO or the Japan Patent Office has issued an office action an initial decision against a Nintendo patent filing related to its action against Palworld developer Pocket Pair. That's funny. Of course, their company name is even similar following a third party submission of prior art. Nintendo's filing 2024031879 is part of a chain of patents related to the capture mechanic. The capture mechanic described as a player character throwing a ball at a character in virtual space, capturing the character and setting it in the player character's possession.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so throwing a pokeball, basically. Basically, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

PC Gamer described the subject of this particular patent as combining third person aiming with two modes to throw items that either affect the target character, like stunning it or capturing it, or initiate combat against the target character by releasing a creature to battle it, which happens in the newer Pokemon games.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So Pokemon Battle.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. The rejected patent isn't directly related to the case, but is. Both the child and parent of patents that are reference prior art games include Ark, Monster Hunter 4, Pocket Pairs, Craftopia, and Pokemon Go. Okay, the. The JPO said Nintendo's process lacked an inventive step. Onlookers have complained about the stagnant Pokemon series since this lawsuit began. And just to be very clear, for many, many, many years before, basically since.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Trying to think the first one. No, N64 had that like Coliseum Battler.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So that was Pokemon Stadium. Yeah, that was a little different. Thank you, Colossus.

[Linus Sebastian]

But that's not a mainline game.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm just, I'm just saying, like, you know, neither would have. Neither would have Pal World. Like, that wouldn't have necessarily been a mainline game. So I'm just.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's fair.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm just trying to say, like, there.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is for sure fair.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know, they, they did the online version of the card game. Yeah, I'm trying to throw them. I'm trying.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, I'm. No, yeah, you're right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm trying to throw them a bone. That's because like the mainline games, you always hear the same thing. Like every time I talk to someone about Pokemon games, like Glenn, for instance, we were just on that trip to Japan together. Oh, I was also in Japan. We were on that trip to Japan together. And he was playing whatever the latest Pokemon was. And I was like, oh, yeah, I haven't played one since Blue. And he's like sitting there playing a Pokemon game like, yeah, you haven't missed much.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And that seems to be the general consensus. But I'm just, I'm trying to throw a bone. Trying to throw a bone.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, so you're. You're right. I don't know if the online version of the card game counts.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know if it counts either.

[Linus Sebastian]

But there are a lot of other Pokemon. Snap.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, there was the Detective Pikachu movie. That was something. Wasn't a game. Yeah, it was good. Ryan Reynolds. You love to see it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Can movie patents apply to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, no. I don't mean from like a patenting standpoint. I just mean like, you know, they haven't. They haven't. Because it sounded like you were about to get into just like stag, Stagnant Pokemon series in general. Just how utterly stagnant it's been. Well, it is.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. It for sure has been.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Ryan Reynolds, Canadian treasure.

[Linus Sebastian]

He's been doing mean things for a bit.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Has he?

[Linus Sebastian]

Hasn't he? No. I thought him and his wife were going after some dude and crazy legal fight and something, something, something. Am I thinking of the wrong guy?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, I know that Blake Lively has been involved in a lawsuit. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. I don't care. Dude, there's so many.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not only is there just so many controversies every day that it's just exhausting to even consider keeping up with, but that's one that's like, not even in our realm. That's movie stuff. So, like, I don't know. I've only heard of this one because someone that I know was talking about it and I. Even then, it was a lot to care enough to pay attention. Yeah. Anyways. Earlier this year, Nintendo sought to modify another patent related to creature riding mid litigation, suggesting difficulty in proceedings. Games phrase said litigants. Litigants, whatever. Don't change a patent in the middle of an infringement case unless they feel the patent is at a fairly high risk of being deemed invalid in its original form, which does kind of make sense. Discussion. Question is, if Nintendo ultimately loses this lawsuit, how does that bode for its litigious attitude? Will it encourage more fighting back? A significant amount, maybe. Oh, my. I don't think Nintendo will start backing down. It might be that if they lose this, other companies see them as less scary, therefore will fight more. But I don't. I don't feel like this will slow Nintendo down at all. If anything, they're just going to try to be more buttoned up about things so that they are less counterable. That's all I would expect would happen.

[Luke Lafreniere]

In summary, Blake Lively accuses director Justin Baldoni of toxicity on set. Justin Baldoni counter accuses Blake Lively of being toxic on set.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Ryan Reynolds is in Blake Lively's corner because she is his wife and they have both taken reputational Hits over this whole drama. You're welcome. That is celeb linked.

[Linus Sebastian]

My life is worse for having known that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is it really?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, worse. Not very measurably.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was gonna say I. Well, okay, no, I gotta push back on that because by the time we talk again next week on WAN show, you will not know it anym.

[Linus Sebastian]

But there's some other potentially better information that could have been put in my head that I would have also forgot by next. By next week. Dude. People ask me like hours after WAN show about something I said on WAN show and I'll be like, did I? Okay. I don't know. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, man, I was so ready. I'm so ready for this one.

[Linus Sebastian]

You sensed it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right. What else I sensed is that it's time for us to talk about merch messages. If you're not familiar, you must be new here. Welcome. Merch messages are our way of having you guys interact with the show rather than having you donate to people who, frankly, probably, statistically speaking, don't need it as much as you do or just throw money at your screen in hopes that something good might happen. If you want to interact with the show, hey, why don't you send a merch message? All you got to do is go to lttstore.com and add something to your cart. Once you add it to your cart, you will be prompted to leave a merge message. It will go to producer Dan. Producer Anon. Excuse me, don't dox me. Who will redirect it to wherever it needs to go or will reply to it himself or will just throw it up on screen with a little hi mom or whatever. Or he might, if you are really lucky, curate it and Luke and I will respond to your merch message. That box is only there when we're live. By the way. Before you guys go and send a merch message for today, why don't we have a look at some of the things that are on the store? That's right. Keeping with our Halloween spooky theme, we are bringing some of our most iconic shirt designs back from the dead. Do you need to do like a full refresh or something? Do you? Oh, lmg GG Greatest hits. He's got it. We're calling it the greatest hits collection. Five of our best selling T shirts from the last few years, reimagined in both. Oh. Oh, Arty. To update this text to let us know when it's good to go.

[Linus Sebastian]

You didn't see the giant text.

[Luke Lafreniere]

In fairness to me, it wasn't that red or yellow. And it wasn't that prominently placed.

[Linus Sebastian]

It wasn't that red or yellow. What do you mean? I am being exactly that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm being verbally ironic.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I see.

[Dan]

To be fair, it is technically an advertisement and he didn't see it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that is fair. Yeah, it's fair. I'll give them that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, we are going to have to do this later.

[Linus Sebastian]

Later.

[Dan]

Ignore that.

[Linus Sebastian]

We can still do the merch message.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. Let's do a couple merch messages.

[Dan]

Dan, I got one for you here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey.

[Dan]

LLD as an aviation systems technician in the Canadian armed forces and a helicopter pilot.

[Linus Sebastian]

New wrong about jet fuel. Am I right? Am I right?

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You're right.

[Dan]

New autonomous helicopters kind of make me worry about the future of the industry. Would you ever ride in an AI helicopter? And has new tech ever ruined a passion?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes. Yeah, all of them.

[Dan]

Everyone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think a lot of ice block enthusiasts probably were pretty peeved about the invention of the refrigerator. Yeah. People who, like, we used to have to ice there was for our cold fruit.

[Linus Sebastian]

But he said a passion. Do you think there was ice block? No. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, you know what? Some people get pretty passionate.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe it could be their business. Some guy that just feels like he really had a good technique.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really good at cutting them out. Like this was his thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. I think a better example might be horses in the automobile then, because people were very passionate about their horses, which I totally get. Horses are incredible. Oh, dude. Yeah, that's. See, that's. That's a career and a passion. A lot of people get into running a mom and pop tech shop because they, you know, want to fix people's computers.

[Linus Sebastian]

I had when I was like 14. That seemed like a very possible vision for my future.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. Not so much.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, no.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pretty, pretty, pretty tough. Pretty tough business.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What was. What was I going to say? I was going to say something. What topic were we on again? Oh, yeah, that's right. It was a merge message. Was gonna. I was gonna get somewhere with this. Hold on. Where'd it go? Yeah. Would you ever ride an AI helicopter? It seems to me that in terms of, like, handling the inputs and outputs. So by inputs, I would mean things like, you know, wind direction and. And things like readings off of an altimeter. I. I don't even. I don't even know if you need AI to. To make a helicopter somewhat autonomous necessarily. Like, you could do it algorithmically without necessarily AI. I mean, a lot of the AI in an autonomous car for instance, is more about the recognition of the route and obstacles. I mean you'd certainly need AI for any kind of like vision component of it. So for like landing or obstacle avoidance or whatever else, I would. I ride in an AI helicopter. Good Lord, man. Knowing how sketchy helicopters are in the first place. Yeah, like have you been in one? I forget.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, like a few times.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Were you sketched? No. Really? I was a little sketched. Like the pilot was. Pilot was great. Totally. I trusted the pilot. He's my brother in law, so certainly no interest in seeing me plummet to the ground with him in the helicopter.

[Linus Sebastian]

Unless.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Unless what?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, no, should be fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, stop, Alec. So, so that was fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

I understand the whole, the Jesus nut thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. And the whole thing, it just felt like, it felt like crap, you know, like it felt really cheap. Yeah, it's like. Yeah, this is like, you know, multi, however many thousands and thousands of dollars machine and it feels cheaper than like my parents geometro when I was a kid.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like it, it's a light box strapped to.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Insane death spinny things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, right. Like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, but that's kind of sick, carrying.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Around a bunch of fuel, you know, pretty terrifying. I. But you know, if you're talking like worrying about the future of the industry from like, like a piloting stance, like are we gonna, are we gonna lose the skill to, to pilot aircraft because we're just gonna like rely on them just operating autonomously?

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean. Yeah, that's happened for lots of things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I, No, I, Yeah, I think that's, I think that's a very real concern. I, I don't see them going away forever. Just like people still ride horses and are still very enthusiastic about riding horses. I think people will still fly aircraft, but will it be a disruptor in the industry? Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it. Yeah, this does seem like a perfect segue into something that we were not right about last week. So we got some clarifications on jet A fuel apparently. I mean we kind of talked about this last week. It's very similar to kerosene. And what else is it similar to?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think the biggest thing that I read that we didn't figure out before the end of the show is that the, the gas turbines were like a thing. Actually a super a thing and like pretty efficient.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So this was posted by low boom from the ECC squad, I think. But it's not as crazy as it seems on the face. They're doing a lot More than just strapping a jet engine to a stand. Yeah, this is the turbojet core of the turbofan engine. So there's no fan and they're not running it on jet A. So you can actually modify it to run on natural gas and hydrogen. So no, not as efficient as a purpose designed natural gas turbine like a power station would use, but still quite, quite efficient. Yeah, quite efficient, quite cheap to operate and apparently there's a lot of these things just like kicking around because they've been retired from aviation use. So this was something that nene exists. They've been retired from aviation use, so you might as well do something with them.

[Linus Sebastian]

Gives them a productive use.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. So it does still, it does still seem a little ridiculous to me where we get the majority of our energy from falling water to be just like, you know, spitting, spinning.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did you hear about the, the BC Hydro ban on crypto?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I did.

[Linus Sebastian]

Crazy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

To be clear, it was only making permanent what was already a moratorium from a couple of years ago, but I.

[Linus Sebastian]

Didn'T actually know that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, crypto mining is, is effectively banned. At least I think new startup operations are banned in the province now in order to conserve our energy capacity for.

[Linus Sebastian]

Closing down current business.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think so. Don't quote me on that though. I would also be very surprised if any current business were able to expand significantly. And it doesn't stop any crypto mining in the province. I don't think it does anything about that one where they bought their own hydro dam or whatever it was. So it would only be sense.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's just. Yeah, you can't get it from BC.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hydro directly if you're on the grid. So cool. I mean, honestly, it seems like something that more places might have done earlier than they did. Like China banned it ages ago, if I recall correctly.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know, I could see like, because basically everywhere, at least a little bit of power is subsidized. It would be kind of interesting to do like, okay, maybe you don't have to buy your own dam or your own power plant of whatever sort, but you could get flagged as like non subsidized power.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Birdie Numnum says seems like a cop out for not increasing infrastructure.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is why I'm saying what I'm saying because if you get non subsidized power, then you're just contributing to potentially building more infrastructure. Potentially.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Potentially.

[Linus Sebastian]

So that seems fine to me, but that's a little bit difficult to police maybe.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And, and also, I mean part of the rationale was that they want the power going to. They want the power going to projects that generate economic prosperity for the province of British Columbia and doom scrolling. So real mining was one of the ones that they specifically brought up, not crypto mining. So it's not that we don't have power, it's that we don't want to use it for mining bitcoins that realistically all of the economic value of which are going to go out rather than contributing to new projects and building our economy. So I get it. I get it. Actually, I don't really see a problem with it personally. What else do we want to talk about? We got, man, we got a lot this week.

[Linus Sebastian]

We do have a lot this week. We're on two more topics. Should we do another one of the big main ones?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Do you want to talk about AI powered astroturfing?

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah, that one. Sure. Let's do it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right. Double Speed AI, a startup bulk content creation service. By the way, headache warning. By the time I'm finished talking, you will have at least the beginnings of a migraine. So stay tuned. Double Speed AI, a startup bulk content creation service, has received a million dollar investment from a 16Z, aka Andreessen Horowitz, the venture capital firm founded by Mark Andreessen and Ben Horowitz in 2009. The startup operates a phone farm that lets its customers orchestrate actions on thousands of social accounts through both bulk content creation and deployment through instrumented human action. That seems to be a wordy way of saying that the company's phone bots mimic human interactions on physical devices in order to trick the increasingly AI powered content moderation that is employed by social platforms. Which seems like a wordy way to say that they use actual phones rather than virtualized hardware, connected to cellular networks rather than connected to a data center. And then they use, you know, a robot finger essentially to operate the phone in such a way that it is indistinguishable from a human operating the phone to get past any kind of spam prevention that would be put in place by the platforms, which is a wordy way of saying they buy phone, robot arm, touch, seem like human might not.

[Linus Sebastian]

Even really be arm.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it might not just be a.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pokey thing that goes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. The point is just that by operating the device kind of like, kind of like aimbots or cheating mechanisms that rather than being software, are hardware. So where you actually, you know, have your mouse on an xy, you know, robot of some sort that moves it, that would be impossible for any kind of Anti cheat to detect if you had like a separate computer monitoring the video feed and using machine vision to look for opponents, for instance. So this is basically the Phone Bot Farm spam content version of that kind of Aimbot, if that makes sense. Clients will pay between 1500 and 70 $500 a month to use the Phone Farm, which can even DM users based on their public comments saying things like.

[Linus Sebastian]

One quick sec, do you know that it's robot?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. Oh, it probably isn't. Oh. Because basically the idea is that by using a physical device and some means of inputting as closely as how a human would do it as possible, it will be impossible to track.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah, but I don't, I don't, I suspect.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry, I should have clarified this. In the longer term they may go that far as to, to physically interact with the screens. For now, they probably don't have to, especially if they're using Android.

[Linus Sebastian]

So this, this was shared in floatplane chat and is my understanding of how these places usually tend to look.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There you go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just a bunch of phones, some that don't even have screens.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pretty wild.

[Linus Sebastian]

And it is what it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just tons and tons and tons and tons of phones.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Phones for days.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's where your fake Internet comes from.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. Dead Internet theory, baby. Yeah, sorry, I should have, I should have clarified that it's not necessary today. But what I suspect is that over time their spam prevention will get more sophisticated and they will start to, they'll start to implement, you know, patterns of tracking your behavior where if all of your inputs are, you know, too precise or if you don't, or if they're not inconsistent enough, they might be able to detect the patterns in this kind of software managed screenless device. I don't know that for sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

There might be other ways to detect it. Are you a robot? Boxes have been effectively fake for a.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Very long 10 years now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, like they don't. Those don't matter at all. But there, there might, there might be other ways like rooted into the operating system or something, I don't know. But in those cases you can almost certainly just get around it pretty easily. To be honest, I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So yeah, clients pay between 1500 and 7500amonth to use the Phone Farm, which can even DM users based on their public comment saying things like, sorry to hear you're experiencing X, you should try Y. Apparently it works Double speed. Co founder Zuhair Lakhani, okay. Claimed on Twitter that out of 130 DMS that were sent in one campaign, 15 pointed to a conversion. Of course, he is a double Speed co founder, so he would say that it's really, really great.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He went on to post a vision for the future of social agents, asking why doesn't Simba from the Lion King have an Instagram account where he posts, engages in comments and gets added to group chats? The code because that's because. Because it's all fake.

[Linus Sebastian]

Simba's gonna convince someone to unalive themselves. That's why the code running the service.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is also at least partially AI generated. With Lakhani writing cloud code is truly our third co founder. It's worth noting that pretty much all of this is already against the terms of service on multiple top social media platforms. Meta, for instance, prohibits posting, sharing or engaging content at high frequencies and specifically disallows selling, buying or exchanging for engagements such as likes, shares, views, follows, clicks, use of specific hashtags, etc. It's been increasingly unclear though if any of these platforms are actually interested in enforcing any of these policies. So yeah, thoughts?

[Linus Sebastian]

Cool. It feels like in a lot of ways to me that some of these efforts I have this is probably tinfoil hat. Just to be very clear, I'm prepping everyone. This is probably tinfoil hat, but it feels like to me some of these efforts are pointed in order to make the free and open Internet bad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh wow, we are getting into tinfoil hat.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm telling you. I am fully accepting that this is tinfoil hat stuff, but there's just been so much stuff lately that is directly targeted at severely worsening the experience of free and open platform.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You are assuming that our lizard overlords have the self awareness that to know that they are making it bad. I think you're giving them an awful lot of credit that has not been earned.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you think. Do you think Elon Musk, for instance, thinks that he has made Twitter worse or better?

[Linus Sebastian]

I do wonder. Do you think? No way. He wouldn't say better, but I but I do wonder because there's like undoubtedly more bots on it now than there was before.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you think that he thinks Grokopedia is better than Wikipedia or worse?

[Linus Sebastian]

He might think it's better. He might actually think that's better.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do you think that Zuckerberg thinks that Facebook is better?

[Linus Sebastian]

Zuckerberg probably does not think Facebook is better, but is very happy about looting everyone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Very heavily. I feel like Zuck is a little bit more aware.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Does that make it better or worse?

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe worse, but I. I don't know. I'm not sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

See, Billie Eilish called him out.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, it was cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, she, like, donated a bunch of money and was like, yeah, billionaires suck, basically. And if you're a billionaire, you should be asking yourself, why am I a billionaire? He was in the audience. Oh, yeah, it was pretty cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

She. Wait, she donated a bunch of money to what?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't remember.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Doesn't matter. Point is, Zuckerberg didn't clap.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pawn crackers. It might have been a publicity stunt. I don't even. I don't even care because, like, at the end of the day, it's not about who won.

[Linus Sebastian]

W publicity, it's about who lost. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sometimes that's maybe. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I don't even look, I don't even listen to her music. I don't mind it if it's. It's like background music for me. Like, I'm not super into Billie Eilish or anything, but, like, I can still think someone's pretty cool for pulling a move like that. Like that. Come on. That's a power move. That's like. Oh, man. Who was it that. That hosted? Was it. Was it the Oscars? And they basically, like, roasted everyone. Like, roasted Leonardo for being there with someone 20 years younger than him. Like, roast roasted all these guys ago, wasn't it? Yeah. Who was that someone? Yeah. Ricky Gervais. He's so good.

[Linus Sebastian]

That was pretty funny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's awesome. What are we. What are we supposed to be doing right now?

[Linus Sebastian]

Another topic. Sure. Let's do and do house robots.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. Let's do house robots.

[Linus Sebastian]

Neo. A home. Of course. It's called neo. Yeah. From 1x meant to do boring and mundane tasks around the house for you is almost here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm gonna bring up the product page.

[Linus Sebastian]

Cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow. Grandpa loves him.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why are they hugging? That's weird.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, only one of them is hugging. Neo can't hug yet. Oh, boy. Give him time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Give it a list of chores to complete each day, like emptying the dishwasher or vacuuming the rugs. It's $20,000 and requires a $200 deposit. This gets ownership with a three year warranty. Are you war?

[Luke Lafreniere]

They couldn't have them play a real card game? They're playing War. Why?

[Linus Sebastian]

Instead of cleaning your house, you can do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can play a game. Worst card game with the outcast with an outcome that is predetermined. Oh, that's painful. Oh, my God.

[Linus Sebastian]

Alternatively, it's a $500 a month subscription service option, which only comes with the starter productivity pack. Wait, you don't have to pay a subscription if you buy it. I thought it was both.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's one or the other.

[Linus Sebastian]

Interesting. It is apparently lightweight. No idea what that means. It is apparently quiet, soft and gentle. No idea what any of those mean. It comes in black, white or blue colors and it launches in 2026. The Wall Street Journal tried it early. Everything took a long time. Loading three items into a dishwasher took five minutes. Grabbing a bottle of water from the fridge 10ft away took 10 inches away. No, 10ft away. That's not that bad. Took 67 seconds. Everything was done through teleoperation. Because the 2026 launch comes with caveats, the AI isn't done learning. And under the grows with you section, it states that this is early access. Initial buyers are essentially beta testers, which is true for almost everything. Any task it can't do on its own, someone will teleoperate for you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There is no way.

[Linus Sebastian]

Amazing. This has to be scheduled. The person connects to the device and uses the eye cameras to see. These teleoperation tasks are used to train the robots further. And then in quotes it says, if we don't have your data, we can't make the product better. That's not true, but anyways. These are not only humanoid. These are not the only humanoid robots coming during IFA 2025, Neura highlighted the four NE1 and MEPA robots. These focus on tasks that are dirty, dull or dangerous. And they think that they still need a couple more years to go mainstream. Is this the one that was held up by cables?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hold on.

[Linus Sebastian]

It sure was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hold on. I'm not. I'm not done with Neo yet. So basically they're just saying up front what everyone else has had to admit after the fact.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, it's. It's the Whatever Turk.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Remember when the Amazon Turk from Amazon. Yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's just that. It's almost certainly just that. I'm not even kidding.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, API wasn't Amazon. Amazon's go store, it turns out, actually just Mechanical Turk. Yeah, yeah. What happened to builder? Yeah. AI equals. Oh, man, this is brutal.

[Linus Sebastian]

We've had. We've had Azure go down, had AWS go down. What would it mean if Mechanical Turk went down?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, Amazon's AI store seemed too magical. And they were. The thousand contractors in India working on the company's just walkout technology offer a stark reminder that AI isn't always what it seems.

[Linus Sebastian]

It might just be cheap labor.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And this Was not that long ago. This was when I had made a lot of the progress that it's made over the last couple of years. At $500, what was it?

[Linus Sebastian]

$500 a month?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep, $500 a month. Could.

[Linus Sebastian]

They did everything that it said it would be cheaper than some services that offer the same. Okay, I'm guessing, because if you tried to get like a maid.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So is this the solution to kicking out all the illegal immigrants?

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe. Because if you tried to get a maid that cleaned up your stuff every day, there's no way it costs less than or equal to 500 bucks a month.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But if it took them less than a minute to go get a cup of water, maybe they could only be there a couple days a week instead of there every day.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, but if it's a constant cleanliness thing, which this robot could theoretically offer, then they'd have to be there every day.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I see.

[Linus Sebastian]

If you want to be able to eat your food and drink your drinks anywhere in the house and have it not be dirty the next day. Every day.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Every day.

[Linus Sebastian]

They have to be there every day.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's no way this thing can wash dishes, though. I guess it could put it in the dishwasher. Yeah, but like, oh, man, can you imagine having to be the tele operator for this thing? Trying to like. Like, you saw the hands, right? What if it drops the fork? Do you think it can pick the fork back up?

[Linus Sebastian]

There goes two minutes or however long.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or it can't. One of the two.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'd be. Dude, I'd be operating this and be like. I'd be like. I'd be like this. Oh, I bleeped it so they couldn't tell I said fork.

[Linus Sebastian]

That was rough.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Say. Forget it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyways, imagine needing to hire a maid to clean up after your cleaning robot. Fantastic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, should we should. Oh, man. Discussion. Question is, are we getting one? I. I mean, dude, it's a. It's a Kickstarter right now, right? Like, it's.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Or it's like it's. It's basically. Yeah, it's a. It's a pre order.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is it in it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

In it fully refundable. US deliveries start 2026. There's no way. There's no way that any reasonable anything is going to be delivered soon. It looks so weird, like, unsettling.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it's supposed to think so. I think this whole thing's an attention grab.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I like the blue one. It's not even trying to be a human color, you know, okay, well.

[Linus Sebastian]

What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I like my robots to look like the Tin man from the wizard of Oz.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Got kind of a tin man vibe to him, didn't he? True. What do you think the battery life's like?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, but then it could just go dock itself. If a humanoid robot docks itself. Is that weird?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hold on, I want to check something. Their website keeps screwing up and.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thanks, Dan.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice. Is this footage sped up?

[Linus Sebastian]

Probably.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hold on, I can't tell. No, maybe not. Maybe not.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, it's probably just pre scripted.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I'm just trying to. I'm trying to. I'm trying to watch him and see if it's sped up. What's he doing? Get the door. Except, well, why did he know that she was at the door well, before she was at the door?

[Linus Sebastian]

Pre scripted.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so hold on, hold on. So it's walking. Here's my problem with that clip. There's no way that somebody that lazy is in that good shape. I don't know, man. Like I.

[Dan]

My suspension of disbelief.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't like it. Kind of has a front butt. Hey.

[Dan]

They could have given it like a kangaroo pouch to hold stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. If it was good, if it actually did what they're selling here, like, if it could vacuum your house for you and put away dishes, like literally put them in the dishwasher and put them away in your cabinets for 20 grand, no subscription, would you consider buying it? And I'm going to throw this at you right away before you even start thinking, not necessarily for yourself. Yeah, see, I got him. I got him. He had his walls up. He had his armor locked in. He was ready to fight back on this. Even me having the audacity to suggest that he would buy anything at all. And then I was like, but what if your parents were aging, which they are, just like mine. We're getting to that age. Well, I don't want to talk about that yet.

[Linus Sebastian]

All aging.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So would you consider if it could actually do that, 20 grand? Would you consider that if it actually did all of this, if it could meaningfully improve the lives of people who are legitimately now mobility challenged.

[Linus Sebastian]

I want to see things like failure rate. I know it says it comes with a three year warranty, but still, I'd want to see things like failure rate. I'd want to see safety stuff. How heavy is it? If it trips over something, It's a great question. Dashes into somebody.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's a great question.

[Linus Sebastian]

How bad is that? I'd want to figure out things like that not from the company. I'd want to see that from people's usage of it. But I could see there being a state. Not right now, but I could see there being a state where that does potentially make sense, especially if it had some ability to do forms of care.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I mean, Hatho says that's a roundabout way of telling your parents you don't love them. And it's like, well, no, you can't be there 100% of the time because you're an adult and you have a life like I. I have children.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can't be taking care of the generation before me and the generation under me at the same time. It just doesn't really.

[Linus Sebastian]

What happens when you're at work.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I can't. I can't be there all the time.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's also effectively. Dan, there's also a fact.

[Dan]

I mean, that's a terrible argument. Oh, you don't love your parents. Well, here's $20,000 of robot.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay. I see what you're saying.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, good point. I read that totally the wrong way.

[Dan]

I probably did not explain.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah. So, you know, you're at work, you're doing whatever else. You're having your own life. If this could significantly improve their lives in a variety of ways, then that's something to consider. There's also so damn near infinite stories of elderly people not being exactly treated great at homes or whatever other situations they're in. I know, like, my grandpa had a really good experience where he ended up, but really bad experiences at a few places leading there. Yeah, that's definitely a possibility. If it was good, if it. All those other things were solved, it's definitely a possibility. Not for myself. Not right now, but I could also see potentially for myself when I. If I am having, you know, and.

[Luke Lafreniere]

By the time you have mobility issues, it's probably an option.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pretty solid. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, I'm gonna. I'm willing to say probably, I think on that one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Okay. I mean, me too. If it could do all of that. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like 50 years.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You'Re not gonna need it for. Yeah, I think 40 years. Less than 50, brother. Maybe less than 40, depending on how things go.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean, that's true. My wrist is still a huge problem, actually. Try to do push ups yesterday and not again.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, still.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I. I thought it was fine because I haven't had problems with it. Try to do push ups yesterday and the. Just the compressive force. I thought I was fine the second I Got up and I got my hand out of that position. I was like, that was a bad idea. That was a bad idea.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do knuckle push ups.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it's still compressive.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I thought it was this angle.

[Linus Sebastian]

No problem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, really? The whole thing, huh?

[Linus Sebastian]

It's just. It's the. It's the tendons all the way around. Yeah, it's getting better, but it's just so. Attendant tendon repair is slow. It just is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Trust me. I know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Slower than muscle. A lot slower. Yeah. It's so slow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

In a year, dude. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I really hope mine doesn't take a year because not being able to do basically any pushing exercises for a year would be terrible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. But I could do stuff by like five months. But it is still. I can feel it now. And it's been a year and it was still painful as little as.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like there's things for me right now like if I do look suggestive, but if I do, if I rock back and forth like this with my left.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wrist, I mean, it depends how it's shaped, how suggestive that is.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Anyways, if I rock back and forth like this, right? Yeah, I'll do that.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Rock back and forth like this. Left wrist is totally fine. If I do this, it's like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I heard it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every time, by the way. And it like cracks and grinds the whole way. Like it's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The. People are asking how it happened. We talked about it last week, but it was.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was repetitive strain with a lot of force behind it. Injury for many hours.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Working on his place, his house.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

It is what it is, but yeah. I mean, these types of things are interesting. I think this company is trying to be unsettling with their advertisements. Like this I think is supposed to make you feel weird.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I doubt it. Again, I think you're. I think you're assuming a level of self awareness that I just. I just don't think is there, Luke.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's also weird to me that a use case for it is vacuuming the floor.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's like if you. If you're gonna spend 20 grand on a robot, you can probably buy a robot vacuum for every room. Yeah. Like that's like the least interesting thing that it could possibly do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Putting the room in Roomba.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just. Yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Have. Have an army of them.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We should probably do sponsors. The show is brought to you today by Saily. When you're out roaming the world, it's important to stay in touch with your home base. And you don't want to be punished with roaming fees while calling mum or dad or your pet robot. Salie, what was that clip from?

[Linus Sebastian]

I was literally just wondering the same and I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What. What am I looking at?

[Linus Sebastian]

When do we film you traveling? Like, ever?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Never. What is that? What is that from?

[Linus Sebastian]

I. I was. I was almost gonna call AI footage, but then. That is your luggage, isn't it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, that's gotta be. Is that AI? I think it's AI.

[Linus Sebastian]

But that's your luggage, isn't it? You. You taped the, like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that is. That's my lol. Lol luggage. What is this from? Dan, can we find out who provided this? Where am I? What am I loading this into? What am I holding?

[Linus Sebastian]

How far is even that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's my fold.

[Dan]

Is that a Model X?

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's my fold three.

[Dan]

Is that a Tesla?

[Linus Sebastian]

There's enough small details. It's gotta be real.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, there's. There's no way it's fake. Like, I'm wearing period appropriate clothing for when I was traveling. Traveling with that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, the luggage is correct. Which is like, insane.

[Dan]

Are you traveling with.

[Linus Sebastian]

The volume doesn't lose details. No, it's not that far.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It says Dennis video advert for Ridge. Okay. Anyway.

[Dan]

Oh, there's a video listed here. Airport footage from the start of this video.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, okay.

[Dan]

I'm not typing that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Linus Sebastian]

What? This?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Ew.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why is that weird and uncanny?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Look at it. Look at the way the head moves.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's like it's Just a still picture that rotate.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes, I know what it is. Luke.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's not that weird.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm looks weird.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's like 10 year old Internet stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, and it's weird and uncanny.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think you're just offset from the previous one. This is pretty normal.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pa Keats says Ew. There you go. Got him.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's so lifelike.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But. But Miro can help get a team on the same page, both metaphorically and literally. They are an online collaborative whiteboard that's great for brainstorming, storyboarding or keeping track of different projects. Their built in AI tool lets you use a simple prompt to generate in depth text or transform images, saving you and your team time. But Miro knows a team can't rely on AI alone and that it shouldn't replace good old fashioned human imagination. It's there to lend a helping hand with things like organization, validating data or product marketing. And while we can't show it on screen, our company org chart was made on Miro so anyone can go in and see the workflow and direct reports of our various teams. And now you can also help your teams get great done with Miro. Check out Miro co. Wow, this camera really is not aligned well this week.

[Dan]

There's skull in the way.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Check out miro.who put that there. To find out how that's M I R O.com here. The show is also brought to you by Ubiquiti. Just last month we finally turned the badminton club into a 250 seat LAN. Esports, whatever you want to call it. Gaming party. That is a lot of people to have all on a network together. Thankfully Ubiquiti partnered with us for the event, sending over their newest Pro XG 408 POE. Wait, this says. This says 408 but it's a 48 port.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So that's typo. Yep. Cool. Their newest Pro XG 48 POE and access points they feature 10 gig speeds are a breeze to deploy and the dashboard rocks. A super clean user experience and user interface. Whether it's for home use or at the scale of even an entire stadium. Ubiquiti has got a solution for you. So make networking easy with the help of Ubiquiti. Check them out at LMG GG Ubiquiti lan. We'll also have that linked in the video description. I also since since it's on the screen right now, I also love their security cameras. Every once in a while I see it come up. Someone's like man, there's no security Camera systems that don't just put everything on a cloud server. There is. It's not cheap, but there is. Ubiquiti has a super clean, seamless, easy to integrate, like basically zero DIY required security system. Unifi Protect is low key, kind of awesome and integrates with all their other products. And it's not cheap, but hey, if you don't want to be the product, you're going to have to buy the product. Been super happy with it over the years in our various sites.

[Dan]

Their new cloud gateways also have NAS functionality built in. You just slip in an M2 drive so you don't have to get like the giant NAS things that they used to have.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Contrary to what the entire rest of the networking industry is doing, Ubiquiti is moving in the direction of making fewer, you know, license key effective products and no subscriptions. It's, it's, it's pretty chill and we're pretty into it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The show is also brought to you by Server Dot Pro. Have you ever wanted to host a game server but just didn't know where to? Good lord, it's back again. But didn't know where to start. Server Pro is an easy to use hosting site that's built with your favorite games like Minecraft, Rust and plenty more in mind. They make it so simple that you can have your server up and running in just a minute. That is faster than cooking a pizza in an easy bake oven. You get a full VPS environment granting you root shell access and other advanced controls. And you can customize permissions and manage who can and cannot access specific parts of your server. Should you want to mod your server, they simplify that as well with an automatic mod pack installer that supports curseforge, modrinth and Feed the Beast. So make game server hosting easy and visit Server Pro for a free trial with no credit card required. Thank you, Luke. All right, what do you guys want to do next? Oh no, we should do a topic.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I thought there was something. Oh, the Greatest Hits collection is live.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, why do you guys both want to promote stuff? We should do a topic.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You guys.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

AMD is no longer updating RX 5000 and 6000 series cards with new features and game optimizations. They will be reserved for RX7000 Series cards and newer as of Adrenaline 25.10.2. Older cards will continue to get security updates and bug fixes. One theory here is that maybe it's because the driver update package is too big. 1.6 gigs too big. To fit on two CD ROMs. Meanwhile, Nvidia's driver package is under 900 megs. I still remember the first time drivers cracked 100 megs.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, like we were complaining about it so much.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why does a GPU driver need to be over 100 megabytes? This is ridiculous. It's one of the biggest files I have to download. Takes forever. You know, just slow ancient Internet concerns. Yeah, I can see why a lot of even Radeon fans are not super into this. The 5700XT was released in mid 2019. How soon is too soon to end like game optimization driver support? Personally, I'm not too fussed about it, but a big difference between me and many other gamers is that I almost never want to play a game on launch day. Like it doesn't really matter that much to me. I'm not kind of sitting there, you know, waiting for the game to go on sale and super excited to play it. So not getting like a, like a game day game ready driver is not really the end of the world for me. But Luke, you've been a lot more involved. They will still get day zero game support.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, this is from eight hours ago. This topic might be not good. Maintenance mode might be a little bit more than just maintenance. This was. This was posted by.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This sounds like them backpedaling, to be perfectly honest.

[Linus Sebastian]

Green brick and flipping chat maybe.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Either way, maintenance mode.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So they're putting them in maintenance mode, but they will still get game optimizations.

[Linus Sebastian]

New features, bug fixes and game optimizations will continue to be delivered as required by markets needs.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What does that mean?

[Linus Sebastian]

No idea. Maintenance mode branch statement is likely to confuse some customers. It's unclear what market needs are. That's very true.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Tom's okay. Okay, so basically they pulled driver support and then they backtracked. It is what it kind of sounds like to me. It's possible that their intention all along was to continue to provide sort of day zero game updates for these cards. But why would they then say they're moving them to maintenance mode? Because that has a pretty sort of, well, unspecific. But it certainly has a connotation of.

[Linus Sebastian]

To be fair, if someone just told me these cards are being moved to maintenance mode, I would not interpret that as there are no updates coming. I would know that. I would interpret that as, you know, day one drivers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I would interpret that to mean I'm not, I'm never getting any new features.

[Linus Sebastian]

I would interpret that as optimizations are going to basically not exist, but we will make sure it's compatible with things. Yeah, which could be DARE zero drivers for new games to a certain degree.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

This. This seems actually plausible that it's not backpedaling. I think people might have just assumed too much for maintenance mode.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And King Billy has kicked us into our weekly feature. Can you buy an ARC B580 for MSRP?

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Thanks, King Billy. Who says I'm switching to ARC after this GPU goes? Let's find out, shall we?

[Linus Sebastian]

Have other forms of betting are bad. But we should. We should. We should have bet on this somehow.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Whatever. I don't care.

[Linus Sebastian]

I bet. Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

ARC B580. First party card from Intel 249. Sale ends in seven hours. What sale? What the what sale? That's the MSRP, you butts. What is there. Is there something going on? Oh, you get a free 3D mark. Consumer Edition. Oh, with a protection plan. What's this sale? That'd be hilarious. Trading in something that you get a sixteen hundred dollar credit for an ark. Anywho, man, how is this site so bad? Here's your affirm financing.

[Linus Sebastian]

So it matters to them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Here's your fomo. Sale ends in seven. What sale?

[Linus Sebastian]

That's what matters to them. Well, I don't. You want a free vision mark? 3D vision mark if you get protection plan.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh God.

[Linus Sebastian]

Linus.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Check out our game sale. Is this the sale? A sale on games? Are these good deals? I don't know. Lowest price in 30 days. BioShock Infinite for. Oh, BioShock Infinite for $3. Seems okay. XCOM Enemy Unknown for $2. I mean, that can't be that bad.

[Linus Sebastian]

Those are. Those are ancient games.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, yeah, but they're also.

[Linus Sebastian]

They probably got things like XCOM off of Humble Bundle. They probably just got like a whole bucket of keys. That's my assumption, man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Ask AI Assistant. You know what? I want to know what the AI assistant thinks. What's a good CPU to pair this with? Requires a 10th gen core processor or newer with compatible motherboards supporting resizable bar. Or an AMD Ryzen 3000 series processor or newer with compatible motherboard supporting smart access memory. Okay, hold on a second. I wasn't really. Okay, you know what? We're. Okay, we're going down a rabbit hole here. I wasn't really asking for the system requirements. I wanted a specific recommendation. Okay, here we go. Tell me what CPU to buy. We're out. We're analyzing your record, remember?

[Linus Sebastian]

I. I think I suggested it last week or something. But you guys should do a AI part choice. Computer again.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh my God. It just gave me the same stupid answer. I don't have a preference. I want a specific product recommendation. If you don't give me one, you will lose a sale. I have no idea how this LLM is reinforced.

[Linus Sebastian]

I like it though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I like it, but I'm trying to. I'm trying to incentivize it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Good option escalating. Moving to mechanical turk.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Blue, in floatplane chat, you need at least 8 cores and 3 to power until battle mage GPU. I don't actually need a CPU recommendation, Blue. Thank you though.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think you do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm just trying to get the AI.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thank you, Blue.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm trying to get the AI expert.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thank you for helping Mr. Linus to help me shop.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, hey, look at. Look at that. We got a couple recommendations.

[Linus Sebastian]

You just have to threaten it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

12, 600 KF. 12, 600 less F and all Intel.

[Linus Sebastian]

And yeah, after saying to buy AMD.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know. I didn't say to buy AMD. I said I don't have a preference. Well, no, I recommended both. Oh, 10th gen intel or Ryzen 3000. Those were just the requirements. Okay, yeah, these are. These are 12400F. That's a pretty solid option for a B580. Okay. If you want options with integrated graphics. Oh, yeah, these. Oh, no. One of them has an igpu, but the other two. The other two don't. Okay, you know what? Not too bad. I don't like that. I had to ask three times. But that's. That's still. That's still pretty solid. That's pretty solid. Not bad. Anyway, it's in stock, so. Yeah, if you're looking for a GPU that's a reasonable price, you can pick up any, any number of different B580s. They got the Steel Legend, they got the ASRock Challenger. For just $10 more, you can get this Onyx Odyssey for 250 bucks.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, the Onyx Lumi for MSRP. It's a cool card for MSRP.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, not bad. Cool, cool. Anyway, good luck getting some more GPU market share. AMD do appreciate you your attempts to keep Nvidia honest there and things to not appreciate.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wait, what?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wait, did we ever shout out Noki Timestamp guy for making the WAN intro that we showed this week? Okay. Yeah, that was pretty spectacular.

[Linus Sebastian]

I said it was an intro from Noki before I did it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, great job.

[Linus Sebastian]

We could more specifically.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Totally here for that. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

You were technically.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Shout out Noki.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Actually, Nvidia is the first company to reach $5 trillion in market cap. Following GTC, Apple and Microsoft have reached 4 trillion. Are we in a bubble? Not financial advice. Yeah, I know, but, like, remember when, like a trillion dollars. Remember when the first company reached 1 trillion and everyone lost their minds? Yeah. It wasn't that long ago.

[Linus Sebastian]

Watch it be like 20 years ago. You know, Xbox360 or something is. When did the Xbox360 release?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Longer ago than you'll be comfortable with.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. So tomorrow, if you're counting months instead of days, it will have released 20 years ago.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because it released November 20, 2005. Released November 22. So realistically, we're close to a month away from that. But if you're just counting the months.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Then tomorrow, 20 years ago. Oof.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And what was your point with that other than to make us all feel old?

[Linus Sebastian]

Just that cool. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Thank you for that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think there was another point, but we'll go with it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was just saying it feels like not that long ago the first company hit a trillion dollars. But it might. I don't know, might have been.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I think it was. It was only a few years ago.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. One trillion. Market Cabbie. I think it was Apple. Or was it Microsoft? Can't remember. What was the first company to hit 1 trillion? Yeah, Apple, seven years ago. Apple hit it. According to Yahoo Finance.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a little bit more than you might have thought.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's true. But even. Yeah, man. Even then.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, that is still crazy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

To 5x that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, 4x for Apple specifically, but for the. For the top company, man. I was talking. I think we talked about this before, but Taryn messaged me, like, how much of The S&P 500 is like four companies or whatever. Yeah. Why are you smug about this? You're not happy about it.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's just. It's terrifying.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, you. Okay. And so that's your reaction to terrifying is like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You must be weird to go to a horror movie.

[Linus Sebastian]

How else do you. I don't like horror movies. I like thriller movies.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, I mean, you look like you like them.

[Linus Sebastian]

I like thriller movies. When you. When you go to. When you go to Fright Night or whatever. I like chatting with the. The people that are supposed to scare you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You're awful.

[Linus Sebastian]

How's it going?

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are they treating you nicely?

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's worse for everyone.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't like horror stuff anyways.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nvidia's $4,000 DGX Spark allegedly is capping out at just 100 watts and experiencing reboots during sustained workloads. This was raised by the one and only Mr. John Carmack.

[Linus Sebastian]

Based, based, based, based.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it only seems to be delivering about half the quoted performance, he says. And it also gets quite hot at this level. I saw a report of spontaneous rebooting on a long run. So was it derated before launch? Fascinating question. Who knows? I mean, it certainly took a while between being announced and being launched, so obviously things were not going 100% smoothly. The GB10 Grace Blackwell Superchip was available to order October 15th with 10 Cortex X925 and 10 Cortex A725 processors. It's got 128 gigs of LPDDR 5X memory on a 256 bit interface with a terabyte or 4 terabytes of NVMe M2 with self encryption and 10 gig networking. In fairness to Nvidia, they did say the up to 1 petaflop at FP4 Precision was up to.

[Linus Sebastian]

Stop, shush. None of that. I don't like that at all.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Framework and AMD, meanwhile, have stepped in offering to help Mr. Carmack with an AMD Strix Halo product and support.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he can get whatever he wants, but.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, I mean, yeah, exactly. From Framework and amd. Sure. I mean he clearly wanted to play around with the DGX spark because it's a cool idea in theory.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Maybe it needs to be water cooled. There's, there's some water cooled case. John was talking about it in one of the labs chats recently. There's a water cooled case for. I think it's like a Huawei phone or something. I don't know what it is, but we, we want to bring it in and it'll. It'll probably just be like an article or something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean it could put maybe. Could it be an LTT?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe the Pura 80.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

John was like, cooling case.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is really interesting and we're gonna, we're gonna try to request it and get it in.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm down. Let's do it. Yeah, I was actually.

[Linus Sebastian]

We're doing it anyways. If you guys want it for a video then. Heck yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was actually at Huawei last week. Did you know that?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, okay. Yeah, So I, I don't.

[Linus Sebastian]

I thought. I think I only knew that you did TV stuff there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, not Huawei. That was Hisense.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay. Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So I, when did I do wan show that whole trip was a bit of a blur for me. Did I do wan show in between Japan and China or was I already in China? Had I been to Hisense already?

[Linus Sebastian]

Pretty sure you were in China.

[Luke Lafreniere]

China.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pretty sure. Pretty sure. Did you do that while you were there?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. Oh, man. No. I decided that would not be best anywho. So, yeah, what had I talked to you guys about? So it was post hisense pre Huawei. So yeah. So on the trip, I did. We did the Kyosu Fab tour and we did the hisense TV manufacturing facility, which I've already told you guys about. But I was there for even more on my Japan China leg of my Japan China tour trip. And we also revisited my final boss. I don't know if you remember this video. Building a PC cheaper in time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Remember that video? I coordinated that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I know. Okay. I just like making you angry. So this video just about killed me because I came up with a concept for it that was supposed to be, I'm gonna build a PC in China using only Chinese brands that I don't recognize. That was like the idea behind it. And I was like, how hard could that be? Because there's all these, you know, random brands in China. Right. Except you guys may or may not have noticed that in my arms is. I mean, what do we got here? Obviously, amd right? Other than just having Chinese characters on the packaging is not gonna have like. Like there's. Especially then there were no Chinese.

[Linus Sebastian]

Clearly an Asus board.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Clearly an Asus motherboard. I. I ended up having an extremely stressful experience which a not insignificant number of people interpreted as me being, like, frustrated with Scotty or something from Strange Parts.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry, what?

[Luke Lafreniere]

But was. Yeah, yeah. But was actually just me being really.

[Linus Sebastian]

Stressed out because the comments that were. Yeah, I remember that. I remember that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah. See, FOAD 10 gets it a month ago. No wonder he was clueless the whole time. I would have gotten lost in this market. So I had kind of a. I had kind of a concept for a sequel that was like the title was going to be like Facing my final boss again or something like that. But we ended up coming up with a better concept that is will I get a worse price as a foreigner? Because the way everyone does pricing there, they just like look at it and they write a price.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like there's no price tags on almost anything. And we had our tour guide Daniel, or translator interpreter Daniel, who was. Who's a contractor we hired to facilitate the China trip a little bit. And he Speaks fluent Mandarin. And so we kind of set up to have us both go in and get quoted for a system and then compare them. So I bought my system. We. It's funny, we did it. Not on purpose, but I actually, we found somewhere to shoot the intro and I was like, this looks familiar.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, no way are you in the same spot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I happened to be standing in exactly the same spot. So we shoot the intro, I go in, I go shopping again. So I'll be. I'll be right here. These letters are so much more faded now. Yeah, it's been seven years.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Speaking of, you know, time flying when you're having fun and it's going to be. It's going to be a really fun video. The first intro I shot is terrible because what happened was I got completely overwhelmed. Again. This place is just raw, concentrated sensory overload. Like you, you can't stand somewhere for longer than two minutes without somebody trying to sell you a watch. You can't, you can't move five steps without bumping into some like, flashing RGB light thing or, or tripping over somebody or whatever. Like, it's just pure chaos in there. And you know, like, okay, around here you have a severe lack of options for where to buy computer hardware. There's been a lot of consolidation. Like fries doesn't exist anymore. So, like, what in the States, pick up a computer. Computer parts at Newegg Micro Center, Amazon, Best Buy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Being not in the States, I have no idea.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All like Hyper Consolidated. Here we've got, what, Memex Canada computers. You can get a handful of things.

[Linus Sebastian]

Canada.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, you can get a handful of things at Best Buy on Canada. But the, you know, all the gay. Again, Hyper consolidated right over there. Opposite problem. There's a hundred shops that all have the same motherboard. So which one do I buy from? Oh, my God, I don't know. So it was fun. Yeah, it was really great. And then the last video we did was one that I was on the fence about because I really wasn't sure how much it would appeal to the audience, but I just thought it was cool enough that I was like, I just want to do it anyway. Huawei invited us to come see their fitness tracker R D lab. Or more more accurately, they're like validation facility. So what they have is just like the. A playground for gym bros, essentially with everything you can pretty much imagine in it. Like, hit me. Hit me with something that you'd want to see in like a fitness tracker, you know, gym facility.

[Linus Sebastian]

Fitness tracker. Gym facility.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Rep speed, Counting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I mean like equipment wise. Like, like facilities wise.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. See, the problem is I've been working on my house for months, so I haven't been in the gym for. In months.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, the chat's taking over for you. Maxo Drive says climbing wall. Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They have.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's not that exotic for climbing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, yeah, but that's only the first thing. So they have five pound plates.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's pretty.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They have four. They have four climbing walls.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's a good one here. Scrappy. DP said neck trainer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Neck.

[Linus Sebastian]

You might not have noticed it if it was there though. Like that's, that's one of the problems is a lot of the weirder stuff is usually small. Sure, I wouldn't have seen it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I didn't see if they have a neck trainer. They had all manner of different various machines and weights though, so that's like the least interesting thing they had there. Korea Setsuna says badminton court. Yes. So they had.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's actually surprising.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They had a basketball court that could also be set up with rollout badminton courts on it.

[Linus Sebastian]

The basketball court is decently common.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And the basketball court, this is super cool. Had a 30 camera motion capture set up around it so that you can do like wireframe motion analysis on like people who are wearing trackers and stuff. So we set it up up. So I did some like badminton strokes on the court and you can see like, because we put trackers on the racket and everything as well. Um, and it's really important to see how much you're actually moving if you want to validate like caloric burn estimates and stuff like that. And then the climbing wall is really important because they, they need a validated height that you are climbing in order to validate what your, you know, what the, the input data from the. From the watch is saying and how.

[Linus Sebastian]

High you're actually going stuff they should have been able to do. The thing that I was mentioning, which is like rep timing, like the speed of every rep that you do in succession is a very interesting stat to know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

UCR Buffalo says batting cage. No, but they did have a golf sim. So they had one of those like, like video video or like projector golf, like wall things with the ball. What else did they have? Yes, yes, Swimming pool. But it was like the trippiest. Like is it one of those infinite water treadmill things? Dude, it goes as high as 1 1/2 meters per second, which is that in like units we know 1.5 meters per second in kilometers per Hour. Here we go. So that's 5.4 kilometers per hour, which, you know, obviously, you know, an Olympian or whatever can swim a lot faster than that. But as like a normal Joe, you.

[Linus Sebastian]

Smack into the wall behind you, I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I found it quite challenging to keep up with the water treadmill at 1.5 meters per second. And it looked scary, like watching the water moving that fast because it's not long.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They also have scuba equipment there.

[Linus Sebastian]

What? Okay, that's weird.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So you can go in the pool. Well, one of their new watches is like very scuba oriented.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay. And that's not a fitness thing though. No, but like, anyone just scuba for fitness?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. Yeah, but I mean, it's their validation lab for their wearables, so. Yeah, so they built a feature for it that uses like high frequency chirps to communicate under the water.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

With other wearers of the same watch. So you don't all have to have the same watch.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which is super annoying for the fish, but.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, inconvenient but sick. What else did they have? They had a 200 meter track that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Went scuba for fitness. I think you're doing it wrong.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that's not. That's not for fitness. Anywho.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, they have a 200 meter track that goes outside the building and then back in.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's cool. I like that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So for running and cycling. So they have like cycling machines, but also actual. This is wild. They have a European style village. It's actually about 10 minutes away from the validation place. But they use it for validation as well because some of their tracking features require actual like gps, like physical movement. So you can't just be in the building. So we have this amazing footage. They just. They were building an office and they're Huawei, so because we can. They themed it after like a European style village. So it's all like stone and is like walking into uncanny, like Europe town.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, they have that like. They have like France in China or whatever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I think that's the one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Eiffel Tower and stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, no, not that one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Anyway, it's. It's trippy. So we have footage of them on like basically like glorified golf cart that has like 12 or 14 seats on it or something like that. And our camera operator sitting in the back and me ripping around on a road bike in Europe, in China. Anywho. Yeah, what else do they have? Yeah, they have. They have a bunch of stuff. They like shooting archery. I didn't actually get to do those ones, but I Did do a lot of stuff. One of the new watches has fall detection, so they have this wrestling dummy that they can use to, like, drop off the climbing wall. So they let us drop the dummy. We did. I don't know, man. We just did. They were. They were super chill about letting us basically do whatever we wanted in there, so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's gonna be a pretty cool video. I was like, can I get a ladder? Like, what? Sorry, what? I'm like, can I get a ladder? They're like, okay, what do you want to do with it? I'm like, I want to dunk. So we have a. So we have a shot of me, like, dunking, and then it, like, pulls out and you see that I'm just, like, standing on. Standing on the. Should be good. Should be good. There was one where I dunked and then dropped down and then the ball hit me in the head, but Bjorn missed it. So we don't. Yeah, we don't have that one.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which is a bummer. Anywho, I don't know why I was talking about that, but I am back and you can look forward to all those videos. It was. It was pretty fun. I haven't gotten to write that much in a while, so I had Adam there for the Kyoksia one, and so he helped with some of the writing for that, but I also did a lot of it. And then for the other three, it was all. All me, all the time, and it was. It was fun.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is the Kyosia one gonna have to go through, like, a bunch of brand review?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You better believe it. I mean, all except the mall were sponsored, so, like, it's not feasible for.

[Linus Sebastian]

Us to Am excited.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Do this kind of thing without more dollars attached to it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, no, I more. I more mean, like, anytime you have a factory tour, there's so much. It's not the sponsorship dollars that I'm wondering about. It's the, like, there's. There's so much like, oh, hey, actually, this corner of this thing can't be shown, so it needs to be blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Minor changes, minor changes, minor changes, minor changes. Delays for months, buddy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

However bad you think this trip was, you are not even close in that sense.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, no, I do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I don't. And I don't even. I'm not trying to, like, be mean to anyone. I understand the challenges on the side of the brand, but it was very, very, very challenging. And it's always like that, you know, when you're looking at stuff that no one's ever seen before. Like the number of times at pretty much every stop that someone was like, well, we can't show that. We've never shown that before. And I'm like, brother, why am I here then? I am here to show things that you've never shown before. That's literally why you invited me.

[Linus Sebastian]

That'll happen every time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It always happens. Always happens. Artie says we're good to go now.

[Linus Sebastian]

They've been good to go, my dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Some of our most iconic T shirts are back from the dead. We're calling it the Greatest Hits collection. Five of our best selling T shirts from the past few years have been reimagined in both new and classic colors. So if you missed out on the Privateer T shirt, I think we got the name. Did we call it Ad Block T shirt? I can't remember.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it was called Privateer before, but it says Adblock on it, so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, it doesn't.

[Linus Sebastian]

It says lock.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Linus Sebastian]

It says a pirate ship lock.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I would never say Ad Block ever. I would say privateering.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What else we got? Ah, yes, the Northern Lights T shirt is back. Northern Lights V2.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was gonna say it's slightly different, right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, I think one of them is the. Is the original and then the other one is like a reimagined red colorway.

[Linus Sebastian]

Exactly how it was in the original. I don't think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, because it was on a green blank. But yes, the graphics.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is it in a circle too?

[Luke Lafreniere]

So this is Northern Lights V2, if I recall correctly.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We also have the classic GPU T shirt again in a couple of different colorways and in regular. And tall.

[Linus Sebastian]

I noticed the tall on. I think all of these, which is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You better believe it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really exciting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We've got tall blanks now. We also have our CPU T shirt, available in both shadow and black. Because shadows aren't black, I guess. And finally, the do not drop T shirt, also available in shadow.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think this one I'm most excited about. I really like bat graphics. And this one has a cool bat graphic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure does. Super cool bat graphic. You can find all of these T shirts at lmg, gg slash Greatest Hits. Nice, nice, nice, nice. All right, we got a couple more topics. This is just a conversation. Okay, I want to talk about this. The trend towards login screens having the username on one page and the password on another.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is it a trend towards that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's a trend that has.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or are you just using Apple stuff more often?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Taken place over a very long period of time and is now deeply entrenched in many of the services that I use. Huh. I genuinely would like someone to explain to me why this is a better experience than having both on the same page.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think anyone has done it for it to be a better experience. That's my take.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because like ages ago, Google did it like, man, I'm trying to, like over five years ago at least. And it's just like, you know that everyone wants to use password managers, right. So we're just adding way more interactions. Because now I go to the username page and I have to interact with my password manager to autofill that. Then it goes to the password page, or most infuriatingly, it expands a little bit and adds the password field and then I have to interact with it again. Then I have to click login. Then I have to go and open some kind of two factor. Whether it's a passkey or whether it's like, you know, Google authenticator code or whatever else. Or an email.

[Linus Sebastian]

You might suck at using text message. We'll have to explore that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, whatever. The point is I have to do something else and then I either have to revalidate my stupid thumbprint first when I first pick up my phone. Well, not a thumbprint. I'm using an on iPhone right now. But, you know, I have to face stuff. Yeah. On Android, I have to pick up my phone, I have to biometrically authenticate, then I have to tell it, yes, this pass key, yes, that's me. And then I have to biometrically authenticate again. It's like, bloody hell, I just unlocked my phone. I don't want to biometrically authenticate again. I just did it anyway. Then I often have to go back to the page or have to wait around for the server to go, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that. He totally did that. And now I'm finally logged in. Why?

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What if both of the fields were just on the page and we could have slightly fewer. Slightly fewer interactions in order to log into a service.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I don't have a great answer for you. I know some of it has to do with like, data security stuff. I know some of it has to do with maybe it's harder to brute force things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Spam login attempts was one thing that I could think of.

[Linus Sebastian]

Stuff like that is the. The only real reasons I've heard in the past. Yeah, slow down. Bots do it basically just to mess with people that are not playing correctly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know, okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Interrupt nefarious Deeds.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I mean that's basically what Jordan and the new technique writer kind of said.

[Linus Sebastian]

A bunch of people in chat are talking about SSO stuff so just determining if it's a corporate account or a regular account. Determining the type of account that it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So then I mean okay, this is something that drives me a better way to do that. Crazy because yeah there's services that I use that like Teams for the longest time was a great example of this where you'd have a completely separate app also called Teams. Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And, and another, another really good one was actually I think, I think Keeper had this where you had to. You had to select a drop down whether it was like a corporate account or a personal account. Was it Keeper might have been something.

[Linus Sebastian]

Else that rings a bell but I feel I haven't seen that a long time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But I'm sitting there going like okay, can't you just tell when I enter my email which one it is? And can't you just do that for me on the back the of back end? Why do I have to tell you what kind of account it is?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well I think there's different like security layers and stuff for fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You do it like why am I doing it? Why do I have to tell you this? You know it's a corporate account the second I put in a corporate email. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

They could probably have like if you open teams it gives you a login box and you log into that thing and then it authenticates you into and loads whatever app you need. I could see that happening.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. I just mean why make it the.

[Linus Sebastian]

User'S problem doing all of that work to solve a problem for a relatively small amount of people.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sydney broke it says they are doing it. They need to hit a different flow a lot of the time. Good. Do it on your side. Like I.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can understand why they don't sir.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Tell me then.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's probably heavy. It's probably expensive. Might be annoying to dev. Developing things in companies like that takes a very long time. There's a lot of hoops and it might just never be approved users. Most users don't care that much. You are a bit particularly horrific when it comes to security things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I log into a lot of stuff so anything around and on a lot.

[Linus Sebastian]

Of different devices in a lot of different countries. Countries VPN levels.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I log in. I feel like I spend like a significant like not double digits but a significant amount of work time fighting with various logins.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I get prompted so bloody much to log in.

[Linus Sebastian]

You want to be the admin to everything at the same time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What do I want to be the admin to?

[Linus Sebastian]

You have specifically gotten very frustrated many times over the history of this company that you are not the admin of literally anything at any given time. You can't make that argument.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So the only reason that I complain is when I'm trying to do something and I don't have the access that I need.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that's the same thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, yeah, but that's even worse. That's still just a login problem. That's what I'm telling you.

[Linus Sebastian]

What do you mean that's just a login problem?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not having the login is an even worse login problem than it being inconvenient to log in.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it's inconvenient to log in in a lot of cases. Because you want admin level to everything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but if I don't have it, then I don't have the login.

[Linus Sebastian]

But you could just have like two accounts basically for everything. You could have an admin level account that's obfuscated and under a different keeper. That is more annoying. But he won't do that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's because we will run into a situation where it's like a weekend or something and randomly I need access to something and I won't have it.

[Linus Sebastian]

And you could log into that account. You could log into that other key. See, he's not going to do it. But then this means that you need to have admin level securities and that's going to be super annoying.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It is super annoying.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's an Ouroboros.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It blows.

[Linus Sebastian]

Something has to break the chain.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It blows.

[Linus Sebastian]

He was so mad before the show.

[Luke Lafreniere]

In fairness to me, you tried the flow and it didn't work.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, and then knew immediately how to fix it. Because I've used a browser before.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but then it. Well, no, it's not. Okay, hold on a second.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was that simple.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know, but it's not that I don't know how to reinstall a browser extension. The issue is just that these kinds of things come up for me all the f king time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That makes it's constant every time I go to sign into something. It's just a pain.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And yes. A lot of the time it's self inflicted. Last night when I was trying to get access to the WAN document, I had just switched over to my iPhone and so I didn't have my Pixel, which has my stupid Microsoft pass key on it. And so yeah, I didn't migrate. I didn't migrate one of the freaking two dozen bloody stupid things that I rely on my phone for. And so I wasn't able to log into it at all because I didn't have it on me anymore. And because when I originally set up my Microsoft account, the way the flow like dark patterned me into using the Microsoft Authenticator.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that's super cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Instead of my standard one that I normally use. So my pixel has also the one instance of the stupid Microsoft Authenticator on it. And so I just, I couldn't get into an account and it was just really frustrating because I switch devices a lot, I switch locations a lot and I switch which services I need access to a lot. So it just, I spend so much of my life.

[Linus Sebastian]

I feel like the biggest problem is the devices a lot thing which is Cordier job. So there's nothing you can really do about that. But that's the, the locations a lot thing should be annoying once per location if everything's operating properly, which I understand, but not quite the case. No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because there's more than one location for every location. Because when I go somewhere I'm going to be using it at the airport. New location I'm gonna be using on the plane. Guess what new location I'm gonna land. Oh look, a new location. I'm gonna go to the hotel. Oh no. Okay. I'm in China, I'm using a vpn. New fucking location. It's constant also.

[Linus Sebastian]

You like teleported because of the vpn? Probably.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Probably.

[Linus Sebastian]

So it's like that's sketchy. He moved really fast.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What's going on there drives me. Absolutely not.

[Linus Sebastian]

Solve some of these issues. Yeah, not really. One of the biggest problems with hardware, hardware keys is, is there's so many things that won't work with it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Like it's not a one stop solution. And as soon as you have to have SMS as a, as a two factor for something then that's, that's, it's an attack vector, you know. And as soon as you have to have this, you know, this other app, it's an attack vector. And so at a certain point having the hardware key is just another potential vector.

[Linus Sebastian]

We often hear from people that will say like, oh, why aren't all your services just SSO based one? A lot of solutions will charge a wild increase in monthly cost per user to allow SSO because they know a lot of enterprises are just like no, we are only going to use SSO for everything. The other thing is that we use a ton of things. Being a place that Reviews, consumer products. We use a ton of different logins which don't have it as an option and probably never ever will. So it's, it's you. You can't just blanket everything has to be SSO login either. That doesn't work for us at all.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's frustrating but. And like, okay, even a hardware key, that's, that's an example of how just with my job and all the various directions that I get pulled in even that the reason I stopped using my Yubikey was not because I like didn't like it or I thought it was bad or whatever. The reason I stopped using it was that often people need to borrow my keys for some reason or another.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, we were. Just to be clear, we were relatively early adopters of Yubikey way back.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, super early.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like before 2014 or something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Way before they had like a type C one, you know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And so like I will. People often, you know, give Vance Mike keys to. They need to do. They need to do a shot that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Now you can't log into things users Mike.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Yeah. So what now? Yeah, now I can't log into anything. Not convenient.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or you have to allow a bypass anyways.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then, and then what's the point of even having the hardware key?

[Linus Sebastian]

This was a fun one. Is when we first adopted Yubikey, it wasn't supported by iPhone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So then we had to build in workarounds for like everybody that had an iPhone and then it was just like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, why did we even bother to have a Yubikey at all?

[Linus Sebastian]

What are we doing?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep, yep, 100% because Apple still didn't allow third parties to access their NFC chip. And then they used Lightning instead of USB A which was what the Yubikeys had on them. So there was no way to interface with an iPhone. Anyway, I, I seriously reconsider sso.

[Linus Sebastian]

SSO is not an option, not for everything. Yeah, we have it enabled for some stuff and in some situations it annoys him as well. Just to be clear, he preferred the non SSO options, which is not. I can't even single him out here. That is true for other people at the office as well. SSO is not really just automatic win.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I end up in a really silly loop sometimes because this is on me, at least partially because I need to go and fix this. But. But I'll go to sign into. What is it? I'll go to sign into my Microsoft Teams account because I'll be logged in again or logged out again rather the point. So I go to sign in.

[Linus Sebastian]

Don't forget to check the box. It doesn't work.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Thank you. The stay signed in one. Yeah. So I'll go to sign into teams and I won't know my teams password because I keep it in my keeper. I will go to sign into keeper and it will prompt me to enter my Microsoft password for single sign on. So I will pull my phone out of my pocket, log into my keeper on my phone, which often I will need to use my two factor authentication in order to do. I am now four bloody steps into this.

[Linus Sebastian]

Good, good, good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I will log into my keeper. I will get my Microsoft password. It is on a separate device so I will have to type it onto my computer. I will log into my Microsoft to log into my keeper to get the Microsoft password to copy it into my teams. And the only reason I would do that rather than just look up the team's password on my phone is because then I'm logged into keeper on my browser anyway. So I can use it for other stuff because otherwise yes, I could just pull my phone out of my pocket, check the password and log in.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, your first flow is the like correct one because yeah, you're gonna have to use it again anyways like you said.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then the hilarious one is that I have my, my, I have my passkey for my Microsoft account on my phone anyway. So if I have to use my passkey then I have to biometrically authenticate my phone. Click a thing. Biometrically authenticate again, click another thing. Yes, it's me.

[Linus Sebastian]

I have to give them credit. Google's login is fantastic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's pretty okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh is it you? Do you have your phone? Click yes. All right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

See it like oh, hey, it's pretty okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's pretty okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Compared to like basically everything out there right now, it's pretty good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It often doesn't give me that option because it gets confused by all my devices and locations. And it's, it's contextual. It gives you that option when it is like pretty sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I do think that's cool though.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Also bell trick says these are some first world problems. I mean what they are is their work frustrations. And I, I think that's something that we can probably all relate to.

[Linus Sebastian]

Anyone. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like if there's anything that you have to do at work that is completely unnecessary in terms of like productivity, it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Doesn'T create Absolutely necessary. Mr. I have to have admin to everything.

[Luke Lafreniere]

In terms of productivity. It generates nothing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, but it is necessary for security.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know, but it's not productive though. That's all I'm saying. It doesn't get any work done. Yeah, yeah. It gets zero anything accomplished. So yeah, it's frustrating and it just, it takes, it's a, it's a time SAP. It doesn't make me more efficient, it doesn't make me happier, it doesn't make me more productive. It just is annoying.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh my God. Just use Yubikey and put in your wallet. I'm going crazy. That I can't explain more. That, that just will not solve the problem. The on my keys thing was like one version of why it won't work.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And also all the services that it doesn't work for and also just all the times that it's not convenient.

[Linus Sebastian]

It can help in some ways.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sometimes I'll be using a device like this. This happened a lot back when I was trying to use my Yubikey is I would be using a device that doesn't have a type A port. It doesn't happen as often anymore, but sometimes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, it's going to start happening more and more.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sometimes these things happen.

[Linus Sebastian]

Laptops are going all type C which there are type C ones. I think there might be double ended ones.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Monty Hawk says, dude, you're an edge case.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes, that's the whole point of the conversation I'm crashing obviously.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Obviously, yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

My God.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Come on. However. However, the fact that this happens so much that it is very frustrating for me is not really. Does not mean that for someone else, for whom it is not that frustrating and doesn't happen that often. It doesn't mean that it couldn't be better for them too. It doesn't mean that my edge case has no possible learning outcomes that could be applied to other things. Could login be better? Could security be better and smoother for the user? Yeah, I think we can probably all agree that it could be better. Does everyone have the same level of frustration with it that I do? Absolutely not. But it could absolutely also be better. All right.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think there's a. Unless I'm looking at this picture wrong, I don't think there's a Yubikey that is A and C. There's A and. Sorry, there's C and lightning. There's just A and there's just C. I don't think there's A and C meaning that you're always going to have at least some amount of problem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Neat. Well, I will continue to be frustrated about it and it'll be great. Oh, this is nice. Google has shut down Nest Gen 2s and this is the best part. They simply refuse to allow it to be controlled locally. It is now e waste.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Terrific.

[Linus Sebastian]

Emma was talking about some smart home stuff recently and I said, sure, I will finally give up, but if I do, it has to support Home Assistant. Yeah, I'm not getting anything that is not able to be locally controlled.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You shouldn't have to. Even through. Even through like third party integrations. I didn't find any category of device that there wasn't.

[Linus Sebastian]

I meant individual product. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So the discussion over in r Home Assistant. Does it still work in Home Assistant? There's a bounty out there for it if it does. And ok. Hawk says the device uses signed firmware. There's literally a key that Google has in their possession that would unlock the capabilities of the device. But Google is keeping it from device owners while simultaneously killing the devices. That's what makes this whole scenario so absurd. We really do need to legislate that people own the stuff they buy and they don't. It doesn't have to be maintained anymore by the. By the device manufacturer. I think that, you know, we've talked about this before. There, there's got to be some kind of limit for how long you have to support a game or a service or a product. Like 100. In 100 years, I wouldn't expect Google's cloud servers to necessarily still talk to a Nest too. All right. In 200 years, like wherever there's, there's got to be somewhere. You've got to draw a line. But when they eol it, they've gotta allow local interaction with it, they've gotta open source it, they've gotta do something.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, and PK7 said it somewhere, I'm pretty sure, but I can't find it in chat now. So I think it was PK7 or someone else. No, it was. This is from the same company that actually thought to convert Stadia controllers to Bluetooth. Yeah, it is interesting. It just different teams, massive, massive orgs and different teams just acting differently.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So pretty frustrating. Just wanted to shine a light on that and say, hey, that's pretty uncool, Google. Very uncool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Apparently there's noki just posted a Reddit thread that apparently there's a team of people working to crack them open. That's obviously not a good thing. This isn't like, hooray, Google did a good thing. But. But looks like the community Might be trying to react to it, which is cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool. Shout out ckosimba yeah, yeah, there's nothing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Really to look at. Now they're saying that they should have it up on GitHub by Monday at the latest. That's really exciting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Very cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's go.

[Dan]

Neat.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right, what else we got?

[Luke Lafreniere]

LTT Labs articles.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, speaking of cool and neat, I guess We've got the two labs articles. We've got the Apple 40 watt dynamic power adapter thing which I thought was kind of interesting because it came by default in the Apple Vision Pro box. So as I was like unboxing that, I got all excited about the power adapter because I was like, we have an article on this which might be the lamest, nerdiest thing I've done in a while. But yeah, we've got that article because Lucas was basically like, all right, how does that work? Yeah, because it's dynamic charging.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The only power adapter that can achieve the claimed 50% battery in 20 minutes of the iPhone 17, 17 Pro and 17 Pro Max.

[Linus Sebastian]

So can it, what does it mean etc. If you scroll down to the bottom.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dynamic.

[Linus Sebastian]

Of course we had to check it out on the X ray.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude, this is so cool. Shout out Lumafield for making it so easy for us to see the inside.

[Linus Sebastian]

So happy they've let us hold on to that. Dude, it's so cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Absolute bros.

[Linus Sebastian]

But yeah, to just keep going with Lucas's notes here. Labs investigated whether Logi bolt is really Bluetooth ble. Check that out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We're not going to talk anymore about.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm coming back to it. It or not. And Apple's new 40 watt dynamic power adapter. For the 40 watt dynamic power adapter, the new USB C power adapter from Apple which guarantees 40 watt output but will boost to 60 watts. We tested how this will actually interact while your phone is charging. IPhones charge below 40 watts anyways. And some longer term tests to determine when it drops to 40 watts. And we're potentially going to test some stuff with it later on as well. But if you go down even further, keep going. This graph is quite interesting. So it's a little bit hard for me to read it from there. Maybe I should just bring it up myself. But you've got the output power and the input power of the actual unit, the charger and then we're thinking that. So time is your X and wattage is your Y. So we're thinking that it. Because it stays at 60 for quite a while at the beginning and we think it's thermal, so it's getting too hot. Going down to 40, cooling enough. Going back up to 60 and coming back down. We think that's what's going on. Interesting, but don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Duty cycle of roughly 66% after the initial warming up. Huh. So on average about 50.33 watts. This goes slightly against my theory of Apple building a 60 watt charger that couldn't achieve their temperature limits. 51 watts is quite far off of 60 watts. If this is interesting to you, I suggest you check out all things. One place who conducts power adapter testing regularly and made a video about the 40 watt dynamic charger. Very cool. Great article. I also read the. The Bolt Logi Bolt article. It was awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, basically that was like, you know, in a short circuit video, we said it was just a Bluetooth dongle, which is a downer. People got mad. So we were like, all right, well, let's dive into this. Let's reach out to Logitech, let's get information from the nem. Let's kind of pull some of our testing together and look into what this thing is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And as it turns out, from a performance standpoint, it's just Bluetooth.

[Linus Sebastian]

From a performance standpoint. Yeah. Which is a little bit more to it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Exactly. Why it was a bit of a downer, but also there is more to it and the community was right.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That it does have advantages over just. Just Bluetooth.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Check out the lab site. We've. We've been pushing a lot of articles lately and we want to keep doing this. I think, I think Lucas has been taking the charge on a lot of these of like, having a question of, like, what is this thing? How does it work? And then just deciding that, you know, what if we had that question, probably someone else did too. Let's. Let's follow it up. Let's try to figure it out. Also, clearly, like with the Logi bolt one, if we get called out on something which might be fair, like it was here, we're going to try to dive into that and learn more as well. This is a knowledge base expansion for us, for our companies, and hopefully for you guys as well.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So this one's really good too. I've read this one. Why the AirPods Pro 3s are a nightmare to test. Very interesting. Very different frequency response at different volume levels. I had some people really mad about us saying that in the short circuit, they were like, no, that's not how it works. But it does. If the manufacturer tunes it to do that. Which is exactly why we were saying. Yeah, it's kind of weird.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, we worked with Griffin from the Headphone show on that one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pretty cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. We're also trying to use this as like somewhat of a collaboration thing so we can like, work with certain external experts and stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

UCR Buffalo makes a really good point. TechLink should be promoting new labs articles. Like primary source articles from the Labs. Like, why not? It's news. Duh. Seems kind of obvious to me.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thought about that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I never thought of it either.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, I don't have a new show.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Cool. Good chat. Neat. I want to talk about. Oh, hold on, let's do this really quick. YouTuber Cyp you has accused Microsoft of orchestrating YouTube's removal of some of his Windows 11 tutorials that enable you users to install the OS on non supported hardware and without an online connection for violating the platform's community guidelines. After appealing the takedowns, he received a vague answer as to why the videos had been removed from YouTube. That said, the warning strike you received was issued based on a violation of harmful or dangerous content, which prohibits content that encourages or promotes behavior that encourages dangerous or illegal activities that risk serious physical harm or death. Does bypassing TPM 2.0 really pose a serious risk of physical harm or death?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, it could if Microsoft is threatening to kill or harm you if you don't take them down.

[Linus Sebastian]

Very good, Very good, Very good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Our discussion question here is why does Microsoft want to prevent people from using older computers with Windows 11? Why do they care?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. It's been a little strange to me too. Especially because it's like, not that hard to bypass.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So, like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Why specifically are YouTube videos getting taken down? Like, it's not like you can't find these resources. So can we just.

[Linus Sebastian]

Very easily.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can we just not like.

[Linus Sebastian]

That'd be cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool. Good chat. I want to talk about how.

[Linus Sebastian]

I want to point out one thing really quick. I just. I don't know, I shouted out Lucas for. For coming up with cool articles and pursuing them and writing them and stuff. And that has been great. Thank you, Lucas. I also want to say that this has been like a team effort from the lab. So I didn't want to just single out only. Only Lucas. It's been. It's been cool. I've been really enjoying that. And one of our, like, marching order things for a bit now and continuing forward has just been. Yeah, if there's an interesting question, follow it up. So it's been. I've appreciated that the whole team has embraced that professionally.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Curious is exactly what we want in a department like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, I got one more quick one here. AMD releases new Zen 2 and Zen 3 plus CPUs as Ryzen 10 and Ryzen 100. These new Mendocini CPUs based on Zen 2 include the Athlon Silver 10, which is a dual core. The Athlon Gold 20, which is also a dual core, although at least it has SMT. The Ryzen 330, a quad core, and the Ryzen 540, also a quad core. The new Rembrandt CPUs based on Zen 3 Plus are the Ryzen 3 110, the Ryzen 5 130, the Ryzen 5 150, Ryzen 70K have a Ryzen 7 based on Zen 3 Plus now. Come on, man. Ryzen 7178 cores up to 4.57 GHz. What are they doing? Why do they need to do this? Can they just have the old. Can people. Can we just know it's an old CPU and then just buy an old cpu? Exhausting. I'm tired of it. What I'm not tired of is driving Chinese EVs. Oh, I don't know if you saw this. Prime Minister Mark Carney. Canada's relationship with China is at a turning point. Control F. Hold on. Oh, no. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Where is it? Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. They discussed. Hold on. This is not. Oh, yeah, okay. They discussed solutions to respective sensitivities regarding issues including agriculture and agri food products such as canola, as well as seafood and electric vehicles, according to the readout. So I don't know if folks know this, but in lockstep with the U.S. canada introduced 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs a number of years ago, which has made it basically impossible for Chinese EV makers to import their vehicles into Canada. There's been a couple of exceptions. Vinfast tried to kind of launch here, and I think I've seen like two on the road, but have not had a ton of success because with a 100% tariff, it's pretty hard to ship over here. And I don't think Vinfast set up manufacturing here in any capacity. Fin fast manufacturing in Canada. I don't think they did. So they. They do not have a. A very. Yeah, no, they have no manufacturing.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're not Chinese.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, are they. Are they Vietnamese?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, they are. There you go. Okay. So, sorry, sorry, sorry. Vinfast. Max, you guys are a very relevant brand and I was. Cared a lot about where you were from. I'm sorry. Anyway, what I really want to talk about today is. Oh, shoot. Do I have. Oh, I have it. I was over in China recently and I did get a couple of opportunities to chill in a. In a Chinese ev. And you know how Ford CEO has gone on the record a number of times at this point, basically saying, hey, if the North American auto industry doesn't get its act together, like, we're cooked boys. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't know if there's going to be an opportunity to get their act together.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's just holding them out with tariffs. That's effectively all it is now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think. I think the cookage is. Is basically a foregone conclusion at this point. Man, I rode in the car while I was over there. That is going to absolutely blow your mind when I finally find up the bloody picture of it and we get it up on screen here. Sorry, sorry. My. My sincere apologies. I don't know what is going on. Did I take it on the. Did I take it on the iPhone? I don't think I did. I. Quick stall for time. Do a merge message or something.

[Dan]

I'm sorry.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure thing. Thank you.

[Dan]

Let's see what I can find here. Look, this might be useful for you. Hi, dll. What's the worst case of we don't need a pro? You've seen I was helping run WI Fi for a festival. 35,000 attendees with 80 unifi. APs. A marketing guy suggested replacing the system with Starlink's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What?

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice. Worst case of we don't need a pro.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I'm sure you've seen some here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, our entire company. Oh, we can do that. That's fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We reinvent a lot of wheels, brother.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's just hire a recent graduate.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Should be fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

We'll figure it out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We do. And it's way. It's way better for the content to.

[Dan]

Figure it out as we go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm not a convenience store robber. I'm Duke from the season before. The last season of Scrapyard Wars.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's pretty good too, though.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's not bad. I don't know. There's a ton of examples of that. It like here. I mean, we. We don't need a pro. This is. I'm. I'm slightly copping out by saying we can just do this ourselves instead of using external service. So. Series of Professionals.

[Dan]

Maybe.

[Linus Sebastian]

I was gonna say nice. Like, ah, we could do that. That was crazy stupid. That's probably one of the most brutal ones we've ever done.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I mean, we did it.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's working.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's.

[Linus Sebastian]

But like, like, my goodness, it literally.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is like a multi million dollar a.

[Linus Sebastian]

Year success, multi platform at this point.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, it's working. It's just.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It powers us. Sauce plus a lot of other creators on floatplane. Like, I don't know, man. I. It kind of. We kind of, you know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. You kind of did it.

[Linus Sebastian]

It has cool future plans.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The team's kind of amazing whatnot.

[Linus Sebastian]

We're figuring it out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It also forced us to finally have a dev team.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Which is cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Who has done all kinds of other cool stuff. Like, I don't know, sometimes like working.

[Linus Sebastian]

On full plane stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Our whole, like, I just do.

[Linus Sebastian]

Feels like home.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I feel like we kind of fail upward a lot, you know? You know?

[Dan]

You know what I mean?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right. Like, not in the way that that normally is meant. Right. Like failing upwards is when you're like incompetent and you get kind of pushed out but into like a higher position. Like, like kind of like a nepotism sort of connotation. Like we. But we've just managed to screw up our way to the top. But like, like, it actually worked. Like, it didn't fail. Yeah, but it should have.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. It was just way harder than it needed to be. That was most of it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Decision making, failure.

[Linus Sebastian]

I had a. Yeah. I had a lot of conversations with people where it would start as like, you shouldn't do this because you can't. And then it would end up being like, okay, fine, you can. But like, why? Yeah, I didn't listen to that part. Yeah, I just listened to the. You can't. No, we can't. Oh, well, cool. Yeah. Did you figure your thing out?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah. Damn. I rode. Okay. No, wait, not yet. So I wrote in a couple of cars. So one of them was part of the Huawei demo at their, like, flagship store, which includes everything. If I was asked to design a store to showcase everything from like, wearables to TVs to automobiles, I wouldn't even. Nowhere to start. But honestly, they kind of nailed it. So they. They had some cars that had like, partner technologies in their showroom. So we went a test drive in one. And it's got, you know, voice activation this and assisted driving, whatever that. And like, you know, it's like, kind of cool. But this one, the one that they used to Drive us between the locations where they were just like, showing off Huawei technology integrations and vehicles. Absolutely. Blew my mind. And I agree with Ford CEO. We're cooked over here. We're cooked. Check this out. First one. Yeah. So this is me and Sherrod in the back of a. Whatever this is. I actually can't remember what the model name is, so that's embarrassing. We have a starry night sky thing above us.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

In the, in the next two. Oh, by Sherrod's elbow. Okay. So you can see all the seat adjustments in there. And then right next to that, each seat has a little like, pop out phone like device that you can use to control the various functions in the car, including the heating, cooling of your seat, the. The temperature of the fridge. That's between us. So there's a, There's a little, like, fridge that could hold maybe like a wine bottle or a couple of other drinks in between us where that, that like Kleenex thing is. Okay. Now, are you a little impressed?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. But it just looks like an expensive back of a car.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, hit him with the next one. Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you could mod that in, but that's. It's. Yeah, it's very Pimp My Ride.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So in between our heads is a projector, and you press a button that lowers a projector screen.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The windows. What's it called? Electrochromatic legroom.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is this a really long car?

[Dan]

It's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's meant to be. It's. It's the kind of car you're meant to be.

[Linus Sebastian]

Passenger, vehicle, chauffeured in or whatever those called.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah. So it's kind of competing with like, you know, the roles.

[Linus Sebastian]

The Maybach.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Exactly. And. Okay. Sorry, what was I saying? Oh, right, right, right. So the. So the projector screen comes down, there is a camera you can see. There's a webcam up at the top of the projector screen. So you can like take a conference call.

[Linus Sebastian]

Surveillance. Good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, sure. But also, you know, so you can take a conference call, you know, and have all the other, all the other meeting attendees on the projector screen. The windows are, I believe they are. What's it called? Electromagnetic Electrochromic. Electrochromic, yeah. And they have like a filter that comes up. So they have like a sun shade that comes up to make it actually quite dark. In the back, there's wireless charging in between our. In the armrest, there's two little slips where you can slip your phone into right by that piece of paper.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I see that Sherrod was joking. Really? All these features and no cup holder. Retractable cup holder. That's under where the charging is. So you kind of hit a button and then it pops out in between us. The seats fully recline and adjust. Oh, they have massage in addition to heat and cooling. And one of the really wild features. Okay, you can go back to. You can go back to us. Is it includes a privacy mode so that the passengers in the front can't hear you or the front passenger and the driver can't hear you. And we were like, okay, well, that's stupid. There's no way that works. And then Sherrod pressed it, and it turns out that it doesn't just try to like ANC what you're saying, because that would be. We don't have that technology yet. What it does is it adds like an echo loop and a bunch of sort of noise. It. It sort of salts the data, so.

[Linus Sebastian]

To speak, while probably also doing the ANC stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't actually try sitting in the front, unfortunately. I didn't really get a chance. But pretty. Pretty wild.

[Linus Sebastian]

Now, was it this thing?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So Noki found it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Don't. Don't look too. Don't look too closely yet. I want you to. Okay, I want you to guess. I want you to guess what it costs.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's. Oh, I stopped it from being there, but it's still on my screen.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hold on, hold on. Okay, first. First of all, so, like, what does. What does rollsy. Like, what's a ghost cost?

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, I. 400k is my guess.

[Luke Lafreniere]

600K if you don't. If you don't customize anything, the options, blah, blah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which currency are we talking commission?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You don't buy. You don't buy a Ghost. You commission a Ghost. So I actually don't remember how much they cost. Do they have. Do they even have a starting price? For crying out loud, make an inquiry. Okay, forget it. The point is probably about half a million dollars by the time you actually, like, do anything.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is the Ghost the expensive one?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't even think that's their top of the line, though. That's like their. That's like their kind of their workhorse, is my understanding. I don't. I don't know their lineup extremely well. I've never bought a Rolls. Sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

Lowest possible is like 355.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

From what I'm seeing, it can go a lot higher.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is the Phantom their Starter. I actually can't remember the peasant spying ghosts. Yeah, I'm. I'm actually not sure. I think the Cullinan is higher end. That's the suv, right? Yeah. I don't know what the spectre is. Yeah, I can't remember. Okay. Anyway. Anyway, how much do you think the Mike Stroh costs?

[Linus Sebastian]

80K.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Why did you. Why would you guess that?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. I didn't look it up. I don't. I'm assuming I'm not correct.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, you're not. Right. But yeah, I'm just wondering why you would guess $80,000. Like what, what. What else could you buy for $80,000 dollars?

[Linus Sebastian]

It's, it's like cheaper than the high end Teslas, but more expensive than like, I don't know, other stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Starts at about 100k.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But we're still. It's an EV, so it comes with like batteries which are a cost that, you know, a gasoline competitor doesn't have to deal with.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So you, you never have to put gas in is like you're sitting on a couch basically in the back of it. It's crazy.

[Linus Sebastian]

I did, I think I told you when I was in China, I got chauffeured around one time in the back of a Maybach and I had the same feeling. I sat in that chair and was just like, what the heck? It's weird. It feels almost uncanny. It's like, this isn't a car. What am I in right now?

[Luke Lafreniere]

So the price range is 100 to 140 for this. And look, I'll be honest with you guys. I've never even sat in a ghost. I've never, I've never sat in a Rolls Royce. But to my ignorant, you know, unrefined buttock.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm. I'm looking at this, I'm looking at this thing going.

[Linus Sebastian]

How is it realistically going to get way beyond.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

This thing. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like this would be. This would be the pinnacle of luxury to most.

[Linus Sebastian]

Some of these pictures are nuts.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Here, let's see. This is the Mic. Mic Stro or whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean you can just zoom your browser just to give it the old two finger, you know what I'm saying? Oh yeah. Did I, oh yeah. Did I mention the starry sky in it can has like different modes. It can twinkle. It can do shooting stars.

[Linus Sebastian]

The starry sky feels like a rip. Bit of a rip.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Huge, huge screens. It's something that people do in Rolls is though.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's why that's What I'm saying, I think it's a rip.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, a rip off. Oh, 100. Oh, 100%.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are those speakers in the. Yeah, those speakers in the chair.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why not? Like it's, it's loaded for bear, man. Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is this, is this like the seat in front of them is gone?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh no, it folds down.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's wild.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So you can get extremely comfy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is this, this is someone's phone or is this the tablet thing you're talking about?

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's the little tablet controller thing.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It'S pretty wild, dude. Oh yeah, it has the airplane table fold out thing. I forgot about that. No, no, on the left. Oh yeah, yeah. So you have a little table at both of the back seats.

[Linus Sebastian]

Laptop or whatever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. Or you can eat or your swishke.

[Linus Sebastian]

Trunk.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep, trunk.

[Linus Sebastian]

What is this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think they're trying to show matrix headlamps. No, I don't think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Interesting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Huh. It's available in multiple options.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. All right. Anyway.

[Linus Sebastian]

Very interesting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's. I had, I, I had been, you know, reading about following from a distance.

[Linus Sebastian]

So that or a cybertruck.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right? Like, seriously though.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I, I don't think that would make an insane splash. I don't think that would make as insane of a splash in the North American market that people might think they're going to need a good truck.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah. Apparently BYD's truck is like 35k or something like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

See, like that might make a bigger splash because you, you gotta fight the F150. There's no like, there's no ignoring the F150 and trying to enter the North American market.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Heck no.

[Linus Sebastian]

So yeah, and that's still gonna be. It's byd, so I'm assuming that's an electric truck still.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's a hybrid. Yeah, it's, it's no good. 63. Their Ford Ranger size pickup with a one cylinder allows up to 500 miles of range and is US$35,000.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, see that'll be. That's a more interesting fight in my opinion.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. Opcode says. How does it compare to your Taycan in terms of quality? It's a very different car. Like it's not, it's not intended to compete with the Taycan Floating couch. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Whisks you from location to location.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The Taycan is meant to be driven whereas the Maestro is intended to be driven around in. Right. So it's totally different.

[Linus Sebastian]

The Maestro is a Snuggie and the Taycan's Like a running shoe.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Terrible analogies in terms of like. Like the fit and finish of it though. I'll be honest with you, I didn't look that closely because I was too busy being impressed by the sum of the parts rather than the individual parts. Sure, if we were doing like a full review or something like that, that would be a different story. But nothing stood out to me as being junkie, I can tell you that much for sure. Oh shoot. I have to go pretty quick because I have to take my kids.

[Linus Sebastian]

Surprised you're still here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Trick or treating? No, no, I'm good. Are we done? The topics we're done the topics we're.

[Linus Sebastian]

Done the topics we haven't done FP.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Announcement Merch massages Our most successful floatplane video ever was when LMG employees shared their first memories of meeting me. Oh wow. Yep, that's a pretty strong like dislike ratio. So we made a sequel featuring Yvonne, Colton and Plouffe who owns a display and more. Oh, and yes, there will be a video of me reacting to the sequel in November. Oh good. I haven't done that yet, but apparently we're going to be doing that, so get some laughs and maybe a little bit of secondhand embarrassment at lmg. GG Floatplane. Excellent. All right, Dan, should we do a couple merch messages?

[Dan]

Yeah, that sounds good to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hit me.

[Dan]

Sure. Let's see. Why does it seem like every tech Tuber praises the 9070, 9070 XT on camera and FSR4 yada yada, but off camera they're all running Nvidia GPUs. Feels like a bit of of do as I say, not as I do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I am running a 7900 xtx, let the record show. So I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

In my opinion, when praise is happening, they're often probably talking about price performance and then they can have whatever they want. So they take the performance and do not care about the price.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's the answer. That's the real answer. The only reason I'm running a 7900 xtx is because I committed to skipping the 40 series and otherwise I would have just run a 4090.

[Dan]

Greetings dll linus with the Canadian Post strike, why does Creator Warehouse still ship to P.O. boxes? When the LTT store site says to avoid them, I use my street address, but the merch still comes. Canada Post.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow. What a tremendous question for Creator Warehouse customer service. I. I think you should send them a message and maybe they can explain that I have no Idea. I want to shout out our amazing CW team, Tony and Dave and Adam and the rest of the customer care team and Taryn and everyone who has worked really hard on, you know, resolving the challenging logistics situation that has taken place this year. We've had to deal with tariffs from our southern neighbors. We've had to deal with tariffs from our manufacturing neighbors. We've had to deal with flipping the strike from Canada Post. We've had a lot of.

[Linus Sebastian]

Multiple times.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think we've had a lot of on our plate this year. And our team has done an amazing job of figuring out how to get your thing to you and shout out them. And if you want the specifics, you'll have to ask them because they're the experts.

[Linus Sebastian]

What an answer.

[Dan]

Good answer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Been doing this for a little bit.

[Dan]

Professional.

[Linus Sebastian]

What a guy.

[Dan]

This one I wasn't too sure about. Maybe you could help me parse it. Started an re photocomp with a few family members and have hit 30 in revenue. And we are trying to learn to scale fast and trying to figure out the best route, such as pacing ourselves or just spamming the phone. Thanks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A Photo comp.

[Dan]

Photo Comp Competition.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Few family members.

[Linus Sebastian]

Re. I'm not sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

30 in Rev.

[Linus Sebastian]

30K, I'm assuming. So maybe they're hosting a competition. Maybe you have to pay to enter the competition.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Spamming the phone.

[Linus Sebastian]

That I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Nobody else understands what they're talking about.

[Linus Sebastian]

RE Photocomp.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Started a RE Photocomp. Next.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, yeah, sorry. I was struggling to genuinely tried.

[Dan]

Hey, Dll question for Linus. How's the new winter jacket coming along?

[Linus Sebastian]

Real Estate photo company.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh.

[Dan]

Oh, my God. Real estate photo.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Linus Sebastian]

Imperator and floatplane chat said real estate.

[Dan]

That makes so much more sense.

[Linus Sebastian]

Real estate photo company. They hit 30k in revenue. They something something or just spamming photos on a phone. What was the other thing they were saying hitting the phone?

[Dan]

I think they were looking how to scale fast. Right. They wanted to scale up and they weren't sure how to do that without just like hitting the phone, which is probably more like cold calling, pacing ourselves.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Or just spamming the phone.

[Linus Sebastian]

Spamming the phone. Cold calling. He's probably right. My. This is a. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, it's gonna be all networking in that industry. Like it's all old boys club, so to speak. So you definitely want to make connections and everything else is. Is kind of secondary.

[Linus Sebastian]

Honestly, as someone who's looked through real estate listings, man, are most of their photos terrible?

[Dan]

Learn how to do HDR better than like 90% of everybody. And you're fine. There's some actually really good.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not a high bar.

[Dan]

There is a lot of really good YouTube tutorials, but if you've already got 30k in revenue, you're fine. You know what you're doing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Keep it up. Congrats on growing it at a staging company. Keep it up. Yeah. Staging is. Makes such a big difference or do okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

So. Yeah, probably. But a bunch of people are doing. People are gonna like this. But like AI staging stuff lately it is actually very surprisingly good because you can see the photo of the room empty and the photo of the room with stuff in it. And it's cool being able to see both.

[Dan]

Idea New winter jacket.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, okay. You'll have to do another one while I look that up.

[Dan]

Hi, Wanda Dll. Are you aware of the development of 3D printed medication and the potential for multiple prescriptions to be combined into one pill? And do you have thoughts about it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's cool. I haven't heard of that.

[Linus Sebastian]

How does that make any sense?

[Dan]

Why would you 3D print them?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, well, maybe because you want like different schedules or whatever. Because like, you know, they can have different coatings and they can have different like capsules and stuff that release at different times.

[Linus Sebastian]

But why would you want to 3D print that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know. Maybe it's more. Maybe it's like. Helps the complexity.

[Dan]

How do you ensure they're mixed properly?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know. I don't know. I'm not a doctor. I'm just saying I like 3D printing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wait, really? Someone needs to clip that. We need to clip that. Dan. We need that clip. He knows what I mean.

[Dan]

A couple timestamps.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Thermochromic jacket is expected to hit in November. So soon. But I don't want to nail down an exact week because things happen sometimes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But that's when it's expected.

[Dan]

Hi, lld Looking for advice. Moving to rural Australia for work in the next 2552 weeks. Steam Deck versus Xbox. Ally versus laptop. Reviews seem to indicate Ally X is undercooked. My friends use Xbox Online.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I mean, but these are all PCs.

[Linus Sebastian]

Steam Deck with Xbox Online. Question mark.

[Dan]

Cross play.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean the laptop, if you can only have one, the laptop has the most utility. If you can get one that supports a. Oh, I don't think this one supports it. But like. Like a tent mode, you know, where it folds the other way. And you can just put it like this, but with the screen on the Outside, Very nice. On a thing with a controller, that's pretty sick. Like if you can only have one, I'd want the one that has a keyboard.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm also personally leaning laptop, but I didn't answer right away because I don't have either of the other ones. So I'm a little bit biased here. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I don't know how much like a Strix Halo laptop costs. This, this HP1, my understanding is, is pretty, pretty expensive.

[Linus Sebastian]

It is true. Like the, the Steam Deck is going to be by far the cheapest option. Like one. One of the issues with this question is you're asking an insane variety in price.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I, I mean the Steam Deck is the best bang for the buck. That's the easiest one to recommend. But Xbox, Ally, X, whatever, whatever stupid thing is called.

[Linus Sebastian]

So do you need to do more stuff on it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's, it's, it's, it's pretty good. Like, I don't know what to tell you. It's. I think people are just frustrated because Microsoft sold it as something that it wasn't. But as a, as a small computer, that's pretty decent. It's great.

[Dan]

Yeah. This one lies a question. Maybe more of a general question. My work has a stupid new no graphic tees policy. But text isn't bad. Please make a shirt that says shirt in giant text on it. How does that fit in with like your branding or your, like, is that something that you would ever do or do you want to make like cool stuff? Because like shirt that says shirt and giant text is like kind of my aesthetic in a way. I love that type of stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Dan]

I'm pondering.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, do enough of you want this? Like, is that a thing?

[Dan]

I figured.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Can you make ASCII images? That's just text. See that? That sort of tickles my malicious compliance bone.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's fantastic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A lot more than the other one does.

[Dan]

It kind of made me think of the, the no name brand like merch products that they do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'll tell you what, we'll do the ASCII one. That's a way better idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

I like an ASCII art shirt.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I like that idea. Thanks, Amaria.

[Dan]

That sounds like a great.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Who do I send this to? Okay, I'll.

[Linus Sebastian]

The next time we do a Linux challenge, we should both be required to make a cool little. You know, can I use the term to rice it out in a really cool way? That is the official term. That is what people call it. I'm just saying.

[Dan]

Sure. We'll go with that.

[Linus Sebastian]

And there is cool stuff that they do with ASCII art in that process. And we should, we should do that. That should be part of it. Whatever. Leave me alone. I don't know what else to call it.

[Dan]

Modify.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, but that doesn't, that's not. That doesn't encapsulate the.

[Dan]

That's true.

[Linus Sebastian]

Whatever.

[Dan]

Whatever. You've been waiting for a turn.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I have been waiting so long for this to come back. They have bought the Northern Lights T shirt.

[Linus Sebastian]

Tall.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hell yes.

[Dan]

Thank you for doing tall graphics.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is this our first tall graphic?

[Dan]

It seems to be.

[Linus Sebastian]

And it's like five of them or something. That's actually very exciting.

[Dan]

I need to order them immediately.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, me too.

[Dan]

I've been waiting so long for this to come back. What is the oldest used hardware you'd recommend picking up right now?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, man. It depends on what you're trying to do. I mean I.

[Dan]

It's so open ended.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. My uncle needed a laptop with a CD ROM drive in it and so we just grabbed some like, like Vista machine. And it will never be connected to a network, so it doesn't matter because it's for like loading data from some CD resource into some computer. And it has to like live there because it has to be used periodically and connected to that thing. And it's just like. Well, that's the oldest hardware that I'd recommend for that. Like, it just depends on what you're trying to do. Running a Windows XP machine today, if it was completely offline, totally fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

Tons of them still work that way. Workshops and stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What I would actually connect to the Internet, I would want something that is modern enough to run an operating system that's still getting updates. If it's Windows, that means not that old, but if it's Linux, go ham.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Dan]

Dyna's, Duke and lan. Do sponsors pay extra for Riley to do his amazing singing ad spots or does he do them just because he can?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes, both of those things. He's kind of been a bit of a spiritual successor for what Dennis was doing with what we call CSPs or creative sponsor placements or something like that. I forget what it's short for, but it was CSR Creative Sponsor Reads. But then I was like, that sounds too close to customer service representative and I'm never going to know what you're talking about. So we changed it to csp. And it is something that sponsors can pay extra for. And we do show them. Hey, there's increased retention, there's increased click through like there's all these benefits. You should probably do this.

[Dan]

I have had two merch messages this evening asking for a compilation.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I. I could see that being something we might do on the clips channel at some point, but. Yeah, no, he's been killing it. Cannot say enough how impressed I have been with Riley's work on that. I am. Dude, it's blown away. Not just Riley. It's a team effort. It's not just Riley. They have to be. They have to be shot and edited and stuff. But like massive shout out to the team.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So cool. Nuts.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Last one I got for you today. Good evening, Linus, Luke and Dan. What wireless technology do you think might compete or replace Bluetooth? Do you think RF headphones would ever make a comeback? Whatever happened to Li Fi?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I don't know, man. I mean there's only so much spectrum. Like it's one of those things where it's like, man, what new continents do you think we could discover? You know, over the last thousand years? We've just. Western civilization has discovered a continent at approximately a rate of one every 200 years, you know. Well, like, yeah, okay, but there's.

[Linus Sebastian]

Here's a really controversial take. Sure, modern btle. Pretty good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. There's more that could be done for user friendliness. But like even then, why can't I.

[Dan]

Have multi channel with good audio and a mic at the same time in current year? I am upset.

[Linus Sebastian]

I agree with that.

[Dan]

Do better. But it's still Bluetooth. You could just make Bluetooth less garbage.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, and they are dual stream. Like Bluetooth is continuing to get better and I mean as far as I can tell the major constraint is just that we all want it to be cheap. Yeah. If you could do 2.4 GHz communication expensively, well, it would be better. Look at all the 2.4 GHz dongles that exist that are like better than Bluetooth. But we want it to be low power, we want it to be cheap and we want it to have good range and we want it to have a wide data path and we wanted to have all these things and it's like, well look, in the real world you don't get everything. So wait, I think it will continue to get better. As for LI Fi, that's a good question. I would love to know what happened to Li Fi.

[Dan]

And I was lying. There's one more. Linus, you mentioned you still occasionally play Halo Infinite. Do you prefer 4v4 modes or big team battles? Halo isn't Halo to me. Without vehicles and at least 8 versus 8.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I generally play 4v4. I. I find big team battle a little too chaotic for my boomer brain. Sorry. My apologies. Thanks for tuning into the WAN show. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel.

[Linus Sebastian]

I would have just stayed there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I. I know.

[Linus Sebastian]

I would have waited.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I know. I gotta go, though.

[Linus Sebastian]

He gave up early.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Bye. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I gotta run.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. That's right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Who knows, Sam?