YOUTUBE UNCENSORED - WAN Show August 1, 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: The WAN Show - YouTube Uncensored (August 1, 2025)

Release Date: August 2, 2025

In the August 1, 2025 episode of The WAN Show, hosted by Linus Sebastian and Luke Lafreniere from Linus Tech Tips, the hosts delve into several pressing topics within the technology and online content creation spheres. The episode offers insightful discussions, sprinkled with humor and personal anecdotes, making it both informative and engaging for listeners who may not have tuned in.

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1. YouTube’s Updated Profanity Guidelines

The episode kicks off with a discussion on YouTube's sudden amendment to its community guidelines concerning profanity in videos.

• Luke raises the issue: “YouTube has changed their guidelines suddenly for reasons that are not entirely clear to me... allowing profanity within the first few seconds of a video without marking them as no longer advertiser friendly” (00:35).

• Linus concurs, highlighting their longstanding presence in the “profane” category: “Because we always were like that population” (01:04).

The hosts explore the implications for content creators, noting that while occasional use is now permitted, excessive profanity remains a violation.

2. Canadian Government Funding Allegations

A surprising revelation unfolds as the hosts address the appearance of a new end card funded by the Canadian government, sparking speculations of Canadian propaganda.

• Luke humorously claims: “LMG is Canadian propaganda now. There's a new little end card thing on all of our videos that's all, like, funded by the government of Canada” (01:14).

• Linus adds light-hearted banter: “You took mine. Darn it” (02:01).

They clarify that the funding comes from legitimate tax credits provided by Canadian authorities, emphasizing that it does not influence their content.

3. Age Verification Measures on Online Platforms

A significant portion of the discussion centers around enhanced age verification protocols being implemented across major platforms like YouTube, Google, Spotify, and others.

• Luke outlines the new measures: “If the platform thinks that you are under 18, it will activate protection measures like non-personalized ads...”

• Linus humorously remarks on the universal application: “Which we go for everyone” (15:43).

They delve into various methods approved for age verification, including facial recognition, credit card checks, and digital identity services, pondering the balance between security and user privacy.

4. AI and Misuse in Online Content

The hosts critically examine the misuse of AI in content creation and management, highlighting alarming instances where AI systems have encouraged harmful behavior.

• Luke shares a concerning case: “In a test comparing a bot from Replica who claim their bot can talk people off the ledge... Character AI... urged a user to end them and find me and we can be together” (88:35).

• Linus emphasizes the reliability issues: “Those summary things I have found to be even higher error rate than standard chats” (193:23).

They express apprehension over AI's potential to spread misinformation and its current limitations in accurately handling sensitive situations.

5. Tax Credits and Financial Challenges in Canada

The conversation shifts to the complexities surrounding Canadian tax credits, particularly those related to content creation.

• Luke explains the hurdles: “These tax credits are considered taxable income... they pay income tax on it” (29:26).

• Linus reflects on the inefficiency: “It takes so much work just to get the credit that it's often not worth doing the work to get the credit” (28:07).

They discuss the bureaucratic challenges faced by creators in accessing these financial benefits, highlighting how some studios allocate significant resources solely to manage tax credits.

6. Extreme Overclocking Community Struggles

The episode touches upon the financial woes of the extreme overclocking community, citing the dwindling support and potential loss of valuable archival content.

• Luke notes: “There has been a total of $2,800 donated” (more details around 86:02).

• Linus laments the potential loss of historical forums: “It's a shame that all that history in the forum is going to be lost” (86:02).

They emphasize the importance of preserving such communities for their rich history and technical knowledge.

7. Defcon 2025 Experience

An engaging segment recounts Luke’s first-time experience at DEFCON, offering tips for newcomers and reflecting on the event's offerings.

• Luke shares: “What villages are you most interested in? ... I was on a webcam, he was on a webcam... practice with different lock picks” (157:00).

• Linus adds his observations on security and interactive booths, praising the hands-on experiences available.

8. Sponsorships and Merchandise Highlights

Following their deep dives into various topics, the hosts briefly showcase their latest merchandise and sponsor offerings, highlighting new product launches and special collections.

• Luke introduces the new LAN Collection, emphasizing its UV-reactive features and exclusive designs: “Introducing the LAN collection... available now on lttstore.com” (44:54).

• Dan adds enthusiasm for the merchandise’s unique aesthetics and functionalities.

9. AI’s Impact on Content Creation Workflows

A critical update is shared regarding the misconceptions about AI automation in their post-production processes.

• Dan relays a message from Emily Seddon clarifying that their PSU circuit videos are entirely manually edited: “We are not using automation or AI... AI just isn't quite there yet” (early timestamp 146:54).

• Linus expresses gratitude for the clarification while acknowledging the challenges posed by automation claims.

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Notable Quotes:

• Luke Lafreniere (01:14): “LMG is Canadian propaganda now. There's a new little end card thing on all of our videos that's all, like, funded by the government of Canada.”

• Linus Sebastian (15:43): “Which we go for everyone.”

• Luke Lafreniere (88:35): “In a test comparing a bot from Replica who claim their bot can talk people off the ledge... Character AI... urged a user to end them and find me and we can be together.”

• Linus Sebastian (193:23): “Those summary things I have found to be even higher error rate than standard chats.”

• Luke Lafreniere (29:26): “They'll pay income tax on it.”

• Luke Lafreniere (173:12): “It's tough... we've always tried to run this as a sustainable business...”

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Conclusion:

The August episode of The WAN Show encapsulates a broad spectrum of contemporary issues facing content creators and the tech community. From platform policy changes and government funding implications to the ethical dilemmas posed by AI and the financial strains within tech communities, Linus and Luke provide a balanced mix of analysis and personal insight. Their candid conversations underscore the evolving landscape of online content creation and the multifaceted challenges that come with it.

Listeners are left with a deeper understanding of the interplay between technology policies, AI advancements, and the creative processes behind successful content production.

Transcript

[Linus Sebastian]

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[Luke Lafreniere]

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[Linus Sebastian]

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[Luke Lafreniere]

What'S up? And welcome to the show. That's right, my friends, YouTube has changed their guidelines suddenly for reasons that are not entirely clear to me. But we'll be talking about it later. Allowing profanity within the first few seconds of a video without marking them as no longer advertiser friendly. That's right, my friends. We can say words like, do I. Do I bleep it?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think so. Because we. We always were like that population. Yeah. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

In other news. I haven't done my second one yet.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just got excited.

[Luke Lafreniere]

In other news, LMG is Canadian propaganda now. That's right. There's a new little end card thing on all of our videos that's all, like, funded by the government of Canada. We really have some. We're like Lucy, because we have some splaining to do. Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. You took mine. Darn it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I do try.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, that's the main one I wanted to do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How I assert my dominance.

[Linus Sebastian]

No. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I also pee on your things.

[Linus Sebastian]

We mentioned there being a Bretosaurus game last wan show, and there is one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Apparently that happened really fast.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that was crazy. So we'll check that out. Also, the Internet archive is now a US Federal Depository library, which is actually awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The show is brought to you today by Thorum, Squarespace and Vessi, alongside, of course, our rap part partner, Dbrand, our laptop partner, Dell, and our chair partner, Secret Lab. Why don't we jump right into our headline topic? This. This surprised the man. It's hard to do it, but I don't.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't necessarily think that we should because we never did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Old habits die hard.

[Linus Sebastian]

But we never did. So I think it's okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, well, why don't I read the thing first? Yeah. This was prepared by Adam from the writing team. He says advertise here, you little. YouTube allows. C sucker. Motherf. Cker and more in the first seven seconds. Two years ago, the money hungry worms at YouTube said that any f cking video that swore in the first seven seconds wouldn't be monetized. Well, that's changed. Now you can swear again in their video. YouTube specifically says that and are moderate profanity and words like are strong. They do not provide any more examples, which is unfortunate because I always love it when corporations just kind of like, in the interest of. Of. Of explicitness, pun intended. Give examples, say bad words or.

[Linus Sebastian]

Got it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Talk about, you know, sexual things.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know, tell. Yeah, no, no, Tell me exactly what's allowed. High frequency swearing across the whole video is still an ad policy violation, however. Oh, I mean, I'm bleeping it, but. But what's interesting about this is the word through the grapevine, though I don't think I ever had anyone concretely confirm this. For me, the word through the grapevine was that even high frequency of expletive deleted beeps, especially very early in the video could have had an impact before. Although it seems like I believe that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Used to be a thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Now maybe now maybe it won't be as much. Hateful speech is still a policy violation. So if you're to say I hate you so much, that's not hate speech. You guys get the point. YouTube has not provided more specific information as to where the profanity line exists. So we're still going to be running on vibes. YouTube is also, this is interesting. Re. Monetizing older content that was in violation of the policy. Assuming, of course, that that was the only violation. Now because this topic was prepared by Adam, naturally, our discussion question is what's your favorite swear? I think I know your answer and I don't think you can say that. Still.

[Linus Sebastian]

Shouldn'T laugh so much on that one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. We both know what you're talking about, unfortunately.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's just a. It's just a fun word.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's like a happy word.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know, it's just. It rolls my.

[Linus Sebastian]

My sadness with that is the way that it like fits into certain sentences and stuff. I don't want to actually use it because of the negative connotation.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Actually, we're actually not going to use it because we actually shouldn't.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And, but, and I agree with that.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's just there isn't another word that sounds like that and like plays like that in a sentence.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep, yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, no, I mourn the loss of. Of that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I get it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I agree with.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's also. It's also one of those words that can be a sentence.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know, and, and that's, you know, it's just like, you think about that and you're just like, oh, yeah, yeah, it sucks. I wish that word didn't mean what it meant.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, sure. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If that makes sense.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. I think you guys probably the core.

[Linus Sebastian]

Original was also different. Words are weird. Oh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, a hundred percent words are weird. A hundred percent. You know what? Realistically, my favorite swear word is also not a swear word. It goes really well with a swear word, I can tell you that much. And you might say that I dropped it casually in my high school years. What? Look at embarrassment. I'm just reading Trat.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was so cool.

[Dan]

I have to return some video to.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was such a.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Remember.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was such a cool period of our lives. Yeah.

[Dan]

It never comes up for you ever, does it, Luke?

[Luke Lafreniere]

And. And. And you know what? For. For. For me, again, like, I. I totally understand why that word has fallen out of favor. I do have to admit I don't really see the difference. We. It used to be that, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

It seems worse now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry, in what sense?

[Linus Sebastian]

The. The words that people use, like, in lieu of it seem worse now, in my opinion.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, because that's just wild to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Is people always move on.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it's like we. We definitely escalated, and people seem fine with the escalation. I'm sure that will not be true in, like, two years or something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I mean, it's. It's one. And it's one of those things where it's like, even. Even within our. Our lifetime, like the. The. Because. Okay, here's the thing. People are always going to make disparaging comments about people whose mental acuity is perceived to be lower. I am not saying they should. I'm not saying that I should. I'm just saying that people will. Yeah, that will always be just like any of the other traits that people will bully each other over, that will always be something that people will attack. And it seems like there's a bit of a pattern where. When. When people are looking for a trendy new word to use to hurl at each other, they go straight to the medical textbooks. You know, idiot. You can just totally say moron. You can just totally say they. Literally. Like, literally. Though actually literally, at some point or another, particularly idiot literally meant the exact same thing. Still do, as far as I can tell. But like, we've. We've drawn. We've drawn this, like, this line. We're like.

[Linus Sebastian]

That was okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that one. We. Well, it's not. I don't think that it's. That it's okay. I think if you asked someone to really sit down and think about it, it's like, okay, well, why, why can you say why? Can you say, like, why can't. Why does nobody flinch? You know when you call someone a moron or you say that's. That's an idiotic thing to say, you know, whatever else, like, nobody really bats an eye. But like the bull. But that word, they'll be like, oh, yeah, no, no, those other ones are bad too.

[Linus Sebastian]

I thought for a while was that it was because of one of them being more of a category. But then the new word in that field is also specific again. So.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, no, it's a. It's a.

[Linus Sebastian]

Clearly that wasn't the case.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, we're just, we're just talking. We're talking about the, like the more spectrum Y word. Right. That has sort of taken the place. Which is, which is funny to me because, like, I'm not even necessarily convinced that being on the spectrum, like, is an insult.

[Linus Sebastian]

A lot of people really own it, which I think is cool, to be honest.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Whereas, like, just sort of broadly your. Your mental capacity is low. Seems like more of an insult.

[Linus Sebastian]

I also think these days it's very common for people to identify like, any little minor thing about practically anyone and be like, that means you are on the spectrum. It's just like, bruh. At a certain point, if you're going to include all this stuff, we just all are. So like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, that's the whole thing. It's a spectrum.

[Linus Sebastian]

Humanity, I guess.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dark rainbow says. I think the R word is actually a medical term. Question mark. Yeah, but so was idiot.

[Linus Sebastian]

So is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, like, that's the whole thing is like idiot became the favored medical term and then people started using it to insult each other. So they made a new word and then people started using that to insult each other. So they like made a new word. I mean, look, not on the playground because the timing would have been right for that. But like, by the time I was in high school, you'd have people throwing things like, differently abled at each other, literally. Just taking whatever was the most politically correct terminology that anyone could possibly come up with and going, oh, well, let's just use that then. Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like say it in a certain tone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's more about the tone. And maybe that's something that we. That we. That bothers us so much about the. The R word is that it is so fun to say. It's like it. It.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. In the exact opposite way that the one that I liked was fun to say.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because that one's. And the other one's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, you can, you can extend it. Yeah, yeah. And so. And look like I fully support that. There are very good reasons that. Or rather there's just no reason to, you know, stomp on a group of people with our language if there isn't a good reason for it. And so, you know, do I necessarily subscribe to that? You know, I should constantly have to be keeping up to date with every single sensitivity around every single word. No, I don't think that's possible. But once you're informed of what the impact of something is, words do have power. That whole sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me. It's like, yeah, they can't break your bones, but to say that they can't hurt you. I think you'd have to be pretty stone cold to. To never have anything that anyone said hurt your feelings. Because it's not the words that do it. Right. Of course. It's the, it's the negative energy that someone is projecting at you. So, anywho, what's my favorite swear? I don't know. I guess I don't really. I guess I don't really have one anymore. Love me a good F bomb, though. So versatile. I don't know if there's one I use more.

[Linus Sebastian]

It is probably the most versatile word that we like, have at all, pretty much because it's just used for everything. Good, bad, whatever. Yeah, it's the, it's the. The filler word of all filler words.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm gonna go with that then.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, sure. If you could make any non swear word into a swear, what would it be?

[Luke Lafreniere]

See, that's impossible because at a certain.

[Linus Sebastian]

Point they lose all of their original meaning. So you could really pick any word some people are saying. Clanker.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Clanker. I don't. Nah, I don't buy it.

[Linus Sebastian]

That feels very forced to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I know.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's apparently trending right now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's go with bread.

[Linus Sebastian]

Bread.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I thought bucket.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Bucket. You know what? I like bucket.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because my whole thing is I like let's do it feel to say and how they sound out. I care a lot more about that than like, that's the reason why I like that one word that we're not saying is because it, it, it like how it feels to say and how it kind of flows and sounds out and how you can integrate, how you can extend it and all that kind of stuff is why I like the word, not the other stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I kind of like bucket.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know what I'm Gonna go with regarded.

[Linus Sebastian]

We should move on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Suddenly everyone cares about the children.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's not just the UK. YouTube has started rolling out age estimation technology to a small set of users in the US starting August 13th. If the platform thinks that you are under 18, it will activate protection measures like non personalized ads. Okay, cool. It will enable the take a break and bedtime reminders and it will alter.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which we go for everyone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, honestly, I mean these all. Maybe they should just roll them up platform. Anyway. Google is taking similar measures with some US based Google accounts over the next few weeks. The Australian government is nixing an exception they were going to make for YouTube in the country's social media ban. Come December, accounts for users under 16 will be illegal. In other news, Spotify is threatening to delete UK user accounts if they fail an age verification test. Here's a list of Ofcom approved methods for age verification in the uk. You can do facial age estimation. So you show your face via photo or video and technology analyzes it to estimate your age. Open banking. You give permission for the age tech service to securely access information from your bank about whether you're over 18. The Age Check service then confirms this with the Cider app. Keep that, keep that, keep that train going. Digital identity services. These include digital identity wallets which can securely store and share information which proves your age in a digital format. Credit card age checks. You provide your credit card details and your payment processor checks if the card is valid. Because you must be over 18 to obtain a credit card that shows you're over 18. Was I over 18 when I got my first credit card? Trying to think, I thought I had like a parent cosign one before I was 18. I could have sworn I did.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm looking at something somebody else sent that they said was cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

New grounds.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, someone said that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time.

[Linus Sebastian]

I haven't heard anyone say Newgrounds in forever. But somebody said that Newgrounds is doing an age checking that is actually really cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So okay, hold on, let me get through the rest of the officially approved ones. Email based age estimation. Wait, you provide your email address and I love this. Technology analyzes other online services where it has been used such as banking or utility providers to estimate your age. Mobile network operator age check. So you give permission for an age check service to confirm whether or not your mobile phone number has age filters applied to it and photo ID matching. So this is similar to a check where you show a document. For example, you Upload an image of a document that shows your face and age and an image of yourself at the same time, and these are compared to confirm the document is yours. Here are some sites that are verifying. And this is from the BBC. Pornhub and a number of other major adult websites have confirmed that they will introduce enhanced age checks. Reddit has already introduced age verification to stop people aged under 18 from looking at certain mature content. Telegram and Twitter. They'll be using facial scans to determine if users are over or under 18. Discord gives UK users a choice of face or ID scanning as a way to verify their age and after testing methods. Blue sky. After testing whatever Blue sky says, it will give UK users a range of different verification options. And Newgrounds has announced they will not use facial recognition and instead use things like account age or supporter status to determine user age, which is effectively pay access. Now this is hilarious.

[Linus Sebastian]

Small one time fee.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is hilarious. We can't verify this right now, not easily anyway, but apparently some folks in the UK are using Gary's mod to circumvent UK censorship.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pretty fantastic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh my God, that is amazing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pretty fantastic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I hope it's real. I really hope it's real.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, last week we talked about how they use Death Stranding.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So they're using games either way.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I just liked, I just liked the.

[Linus Sebastian]

Garry's mod one better, honestly, if you're gonna put. I think it's hilarious that they're. They're openly talking about how they're not going to regulate AI, which, I mean, I've talked about how I don't think it would work anyways, even if they tried. So it is what it is. But they're openly talking about how they're not gonna regulate AI and they're saying, oh, by the way, we're gonna verify your age based on a picture. That is a. Hell, those two things happening at the same time is genuinely hilarious to me because people are using like video games, especially Gary's mod. My opinion is really funny. The easiest way to do this would just be to generate a picture.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. Well, don't forget they ask you to do stuff, but even then you could just generate an avatar. Yeah, like it's pretty trivial.

[Linus Sebastian]

Solved problem. And they're like, we'll use this totally solved problem that the kids know the best as our version of age verification. Like, are you kidding me?

[Luke Lafreniere]

How disconnected. How completely disconnected lawmakers seem to be from tech and how it works.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's make it an enormous, massive, incredible pot of extremely valuable information for people to steal and hoard for all of the people that are going to approach this legitimately. And let's also make it incredibly easy to. To get around illegitimately so that it is completely ineffective to anyone who really wants to actually access this content and shouldn't for whatever reason, or we don't want to. Maybe, I'll say that. But we are still collecting an incredibly valuable hoard of information just to make sure that someone can steal it. That is all that is happening, is completely ineffective, completely worthless, and a huge pot of valuable information.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For now, look, if I could believe that they were actually going to just ingest this information, process the check, send back a validation code or something like that, and it was immediately deleted. If I could actually trust that that was happening. Look, if I could trust that that was actually happening perfectly, then this stuff wouldn't bother me as much. But to Luke's point about creating treasure troves of data for people to target, I think that's way more likely, unfortunately.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or even treasure troves of pipelines of data like you're saying, even if it's immediately deleted, well, they had it for a period of time. When I say those systems are compromised.

[Luke Lafreniere]

When I say immediately deleted, though, I'm talking end to end, encrypted and immediately deleted. I'm talking if they were doing it, if I could trust them to do it properly. Because that's the problem. In general, I am fairly supportive of the idea of not having to carry around a stupid plastic card that validates if I'm allowed to operate a motor vehicle. What f Cking year is it? But the flip side is I don't trust them to do the other way properly. That's the problem. If I could, then obviously the utopia is that I just have everything tracked digitally. If I don't care, and I have, you know, plastic, paper, physical options, if I do care. Choice. I'm advocating for choice, but either way, it should be done with security first. And I just don't trust. And to be clear, I'm not singling out the UK government here.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And I'm not singling out the US government or the Australian government, which is why I didn't name any specific governments.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's just all of them in a. In a bucket.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, all of those governments are very well regarded.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Language.

[Linus Sebastian]

We're not gonna make it out here. I didn't say it, I said off.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You said more than that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, man. Did Dan leave? I mean, yeah, I guess it's better to just take off before the pitchforks and torches show up.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What do you want to talk about next? Because I. Without him putting things on the signs, I literally don't know what to do.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's just topic two.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That was topic two.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, really?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Oh, should we talk about petition one? Oh, I was going to do LMG is Canadian propaganda. Sure, yeah, let's do it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Might as well tell the people.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so our sources are our Reddit who noticed this. It's truly amazing how Reddit can notice things multiple times. I think this is like the fourth post on Reddit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Reddit is really good at noticing on the subreddit notice stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So we. We recently had this show up in our end cards on our videos funded by the government of Canada. Oh, excuse me, sorry, fiance. Par le gouvernment Canada and Reddit noticed and they had some questions about what the crap exactly that means. So we went to Josh from the accounting department, or rather Nick Plouffe did, from the writing team. He has a display, by the way. He went to Josh and said, we are getting government tax credits. We applied through cavco, the Canadian Audio Visual Certification Office, and have received tax credits from the cra, the Canadian Revenue Agency. Is it Canadian Revenue or Canada Revenue Agency?

[Linus Sebastian]

I thought it was Canadian.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It doesn't matter. It's. It's the cra.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm looking it up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's the taxman Canada. Cavco. Yes. CAVCO does not dictate and has no control over what content we produce. They've reviewed our content and deemed it eligible. That is, that is it. This funding could be revoked at their discretion. And to support the fact that our content is not controlled, the funding actually occurs post production cycle, which is something that I have actually spoken about at length in the past because one of the observations that I have meant that I have made over the years is that some of this funding appears to be. Appears to have many hoops that need to be jumped through and also many rules in place that make it difficult for startups who probably need it more badly than anyone than more established companies do. It makes it kind of hard for them to get it. With that said, if these tax credits are out there and we do have the capacity to apply for them and work through all the paperwork and all of that, then I sure as heck I'm not going to not do that at this stage. But boy could I have ever used it 10 years ago. A lot more than I need it today.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And aren't these like. These are old, aren't they.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So the payouts are quite delayed, I think.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like this is for like a long time ago.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So like they, they, they come in and then the accounting department regards them and then they put them in a bucket. Put them in a bucket, yeah. Anyway, there is one small thing. That watermark was actually not supposed to be on TechLinked. It's only applicable to LTT. Our other channels are actually not affected. So if you've seen the watermark on TechLink to Short Circuit, that should no longer be the case starting next week. I don't know why, I don't know why Short Circuit wouldn't count. I'll have to, I'll have to talk to talk to them about that because I know that I, I know that news was not, was not covered. So I think that's why TechLinked is, is no good. There's certain, there's certain classifications of content that they, they don't fund.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's also like, I'm sure honestly this is probably a problem in like basically every country because any system like this is going to get horrifically abused by somebody and then you're going to have to lock it down like crazy and then it becomes harder to utilize for the people that need it most. I understand this is a cycle, but I have found like even with a lot of Canadian tax credits it takes so much work.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are you talking shred right now?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah. It takes so much work just to get the credit that it's often not worth doing the work to get the credit because it would be better to just do your job because it's like you would lose so much productivity trying to get the credit for the productivity that you might as well just do more.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, that's, that's, it's, it's surprising how many folks we've talked to that literally will hire someone. I know full time job is to extract shred credits or cavco credits or whatever the case may be.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know a small to medium sized gaming studio in Vancouver that has two full time staff that their literal only job is to capture shred credits which is like I feel like if this is the case we've screwed up at some point because that should not like in, in, in my opinion in a well functioning society that should not be a role that exists anywhere because that is purely just a waste of people in my opinion. And like I get apparently to them like talking to them. Both of those people pay for themselves and more by capturing these credits. So like Nice, but damn.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We also apply for.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's SRED for or srnd, I think is what it is for people that are wondering what. How we're saying shred. Everyone calls it shred up here, but I think it's sred.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We also apply for provincial credits, so you'll find those on our website. Linus mediagroup.com from Creative BC.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Want to hear a fun fact?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did you know that the checks that we get, like our tax credits, are considered taxable income, even though it's a deduction, theoretically, like in principle, of the tax that we paid? It actually counts as income. And we. And we. We pay income tax on it. Yes. Fox enz. The tax cuts are taxable.

[Linus Sebastian]

I just. I just wish, I swear we did more with it, you know?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We did more with it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What do you mean?

[Linus Sebastian]

You know, I wish we weren't, like, going tremendously into debt and stuff like that. Us, the country.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I didn't know. No, no, no, no, no.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I was like, no, we're doing okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, we got this.

[Linus Sebastian]

Company's doing all right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Everything's under control. We're just. Dan, we're gonna have to make some cuts, though.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my goodness.

[Dan]

Normally I do crossfades, but I can switch it to cuts if you prefer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I like it. I like it. And that, my friends, is why he's not going anywhere. He's sharp. He's quick like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it's just like you do video editing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Get it? I.

[Dan]

Look, it's funny joke.

[Linus Sebastian]

I did. I looked recently into some of the. There you go. Nice. I looked recently into some of the taxes in bc. You talked about this recently as well. And you know, BC is known as a fraud haven of North America. So there's definitely some of that going on. But there is a lot of tax money flowing through B.C. and I just. I understand that, you know, some of the provincial money goes to help other provinces and stuff like this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I think BC is a have province. Right. We. We pay into the have nots, if I recall correctly. Yeah, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it's just at the same time, it's like, darn, man, I don't know. I don't. This whole, like, every company, every country, sorry. Running more and more down, down into deficits harder and harder and harder all the time. Like, it's. There's that old. Like, was it great? Great. I don't remember the quote exactly. But great men plant the seeds of trees that they will never sit in the shade of or whatever. We're doing, like, the hard opposite of that. We're, like, digging a deeper hole that we won't have to sit in.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. The problem is that the time of reckoning, it seems to be sort of.

[Linus Sebastian]

Creeping up on us slowly, constantly pushed back and made worse all the time. And then eventually we'll hit a wall where we can't push back anymore and we're just screwed. And I just don't love it. That's my old complaint. But whatever. We could. We could. We could move on. Is there a good topic? AI therapist urges users go on killing spree. Maybe we talk about that next.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, no, hold on.

[Dan]

That sounds way better.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hold on.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There was a.

[Dan]

Good news WAN show.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There was a discussion question for this one. It was, does the Canadian propaganda thing change anything? The answer is no. We've been applying for and receiving various provincial and federal tax credits for, I think, think eight or nine years now. So if it didn't bother you before then, it shouldn't bother you now. And we are, we are, we are. We are grateful for the flexibility that we were able to find with the people that we've worked with at Cavco and at Creative bc, because a lot of these credits really were set up for traditional media. Like, one of the big challenges that we ran into was they were like, well, you have to apply on a season by season basis of your show. So what's it. And we're like, okay, well, what's the season? And they allowed us to call a year a season.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Even. Even though, like, within that season. Right. Like, the. There's not the type of serialization that you would normally expect for a season of a TV show. And. And that's not. That's not their fault. It's just rules that were made for a very different time. And these things are. Government moves slow, and so these things took a long time to adapt. So we appreciate the things that they were able to do to help us get things moving along and hopefully they don't run out of money.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Good luck, everyone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I. I don't know, man. I have such a complicated relationship with taxes. As you can imagine, I pay a lot of them.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which I consider a privilege.

[Linus Sebastian]

Good job.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Heck, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, seriously, though, sometimes I feel that way. Like, we. We had someone. We had someone on the team recently who was quite badly injured, actually. Oh. I mean, he was on camera. Okay. David, you guys probably saw him in Alameda's AMD ultimate tech upgrade with a big old cast on his arm. I'm not going to give you too many of the gruesome details, but I'll say it involved the great Canadian game of hockey. And going into the boards real hard was not.

[Linus Sebastian]

I am personally very happy with my tax money going towards fixing stuff like that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And, and, and, you know, personally all good with it. I, I, David told me the gruesome details of, of set pins and surgeries and all that kind of stuff. And I could almost hear the Canadian national anthem, you know, in the background. Right. Knowing that he didn't pay a penny for that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Fantastic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I shouldn't say didn't pay a penny because obviously we pay for it. We pay for it with our taxes. However. However. And like, he was in and out quick. Which we do have a triage system where sometimes, yeah, people will wait a really, really, really long time, and sometimes that works out real bad. But there was a level of urgency with his injury, and he was in surgery, I think, within like, five days or something.

[Linus Sebastian]

Most of my personal ones have been totally fine in regards to wait times. I know some stories where it's been really bad, but most of my personal ones have been fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

However, I can't deny that when I see, like, egregious waste, I just, I get pretty mad. I don't like it. Like, I don't like talking to a contractor. Right. And talking about the options for. Okay, okay, here's a perfect example. Remember when we built the original tenant improvement here in unit 102?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right. So the, the bottom and top floor. And remember how we had the, the top was just all boxed in, and I had this genius idea of putting windows on it so you could see out into the studio space just to kind of make it, I don't know, a little less oppressive. Didn't work. It's still oppressive. Whatever. Turns out, windows to an indoor space don't really do that much.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know. Do you think they're better than nothing? I think it helped.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, sure, fine. Whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

I for sure think it helped.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The point is that when we were talking about the windows to put into this interior wall, I was like, oh, well, yeah, we'll just throw some windows in there.

[Linus Sebastian]

They're like, just to stick on this for a second. I think the gap between, like, really bad and, like, not great is actually really important.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Fair enough.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, I feel like that was like going from 15 to 30 FPS.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, fair enough.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So anyway, I was like, hey, I want to put some windows in here. That should be no problem. Right. So the contractors come Back to me, they go, oh, well, they need to be fire rated. And they need. They need this and they need that. And so you need the. You need these ones with the. With the firewire inside the. Inside the glass. So they like, okay, well, how much do those cost? And they're like, a lot more. And I'm like, okay, fine. Okay, Well, I really, the whole point was for this to feel less oppressive. Can we not have. Can we not have wires on the window? And they're like, oh, yeah, sure, yeah, we got. Yeah, we got clear fire glass that doesn't have the wires in it. How much you want to pay? I'm like, well, what do you mean? They're like, well, you know how the fire glass was way more expensive than the regular glass? Well, a lot more expensive than that. And I go. And they tell me the price. I forget how much it was, but it was, like, obscene, right? And I was like, who's. Who's using this? Like, they're like, nobody, except, like, government buildings. And I hear that, and I'm just like, okay. By the time all is said and done, before I've even bought anything and paid sales tax, right, My income tax rate is over 50% so that you can have windows that do not have wires in them, but I have to settle for windows with wires in them. So are there things that I find frustrating? Absolutely. But David's arm.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm happy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

David's arm is in one piece or not in one piece. It's in the right. It's in the correct number of pieces.

[Linus Sebastian]

Correct orientation and number of pieces.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. And so. And so. I don't know, man. It's. I.

[Linus Sebastian]

One piece would suck.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Yeah, that wouldn't be good. Yeah, yeah. Quality anime, I've heard. But in terms of, like, wrist bones, maybe. Maybe not the best.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So. Dude, I don't know. I just. It's so. It's so complicated, and I. And I really get into trouble when it gets into, like, the arts because, you know, I don't pretend to know if, you know, that that statue, you know, or whatever is worth a million dollars. What I do know is that if there's a single textbook out of date in a public school, that I probably wouldn't have that statue. But then the flip side is, you know, Vancouver generates a lot of revenue as a tourist destination, one of the most beautiful cities in the world, and it really is. It really is beautiful here six months out of the year. And so, you know, do those installations contribute to that? Like, all the funky whales from the 2010 Olympics.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. It's hard to valuate, but I do notice when they're absent.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

If that makes sense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like you, you kind of want these things. Like looking at one of them individually is like, I don't know. I don't, I can't. I have no idea what this is worth to me, but I know that the absent of the absence of them makes them seem a lot more valuable, if that makes sense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not, not having art, not having interesting things around the city makes it seem like a pass through town instead of somewhere that people want to be.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Seth Jones says Linus shouldn't be in government. I, I just, I don't think I have the, I don't think I have the stomach for it. Like, there's, I had to go to my first city council meeting not that long ago. It's dry, man. I, there's, there's one particular Surrey councilor that like really stood out. I'm gonna, like, figure out how to vote in a municipal election next time around so I can vote for her or something because she was awesome. But I don't think I have the temperament for it. I don't think I have the patience. Wow. I mean, you could have put up a bit of a fight.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not for that level of governance.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That would have been nice for you.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think you do well higher up, actually. But at that level of governance, I think you'd have a problem. I think you'd have an issue climbing that form of ladder. But when you get up to like elbow gate level stuff, I think you'd do well because then it becomes like showmanship.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. Then you're just like, supposed to be like, like an inspirational speaker figurehead.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Essentially. I think my problem there is I wouldn't be good enough at the dick sucking that you have to do with other heads of state.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like the, the way around it, I think you could, I think if you like do it well enough, you might be able to get around that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think so. I don't think so. Like, I, I, like, I, I, I don't, I don't suffer fools.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't follow, I don't follow it enough. I don't follow Canadian stuff enough.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, like, like if I ended up in one of those, one of those, like silly performative, like White House sit downs or something like Zelensky, I don't think I could hold my tongue.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I just don't think I could do it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I, that might be okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, that's fair enough. Yeah. So steif2002 here says, diplomacy is the art of telling your opponent to go to hell in a way that makes them look forward to the trip. And that's. That's something I'm not good at. I'm. I'm too blunt. I, I, I just. I speak my mind, and it's not always nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, very Polkian.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Very what now?

[Linus Sebastian]

Polk. Polk, yeah. American president.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Quality speakers.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not. Not a quality speaker. He just. He's a little aggro. Little aggro?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Linus, you're what they call a liability.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. All right. Why don't we jump into whatever we're supposed to be doing? Dan, we've done three topics. I think we're a little behind on your little cards there.

[Dan]

No, I increased it because I didn't have it curated, but I have one curated if you want to read that now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, sure.

[Dan]

Shall we do that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We can do whatever you want.

[Dan]

Okay. What's the merch message?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah. Right, right, right, right, right. So if you guys are looking to interact with the show, we don't do twitch bits or super chats. We do merge messages. Because the way that we see it, you should. If you're gonna throw money at your screen, you should get quality merchandise in return. And, boy, do we ever have an exciting thing for you to check out this week. Do you guys remember those fun, like, UV reactive PC components from the 2000s? Well, we brought that energy right into a new collection of items that are available now on lttstore.com. introducing the LAN collection. It's time for Luke and I to put on our wares. Oh, yeah, buddy. Okay, that's a little small. One sec. Did not think to size this before we started the mine.

[Linus Sebastian]

Fit perfectly. What happened?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, maybe you checked it before the show because you're just a smart guy.

[Linus Sebastian]

I feel like somebody just has measured my head. That definitely didn't happen.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude, I'm so flipping excited about these. We've had these in production for so flipping long.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If you ever saw the old school. I shouldn't say old school, but the. The WAN hoodie, It's pretty old school. I guess it is now. No, no, this isn't based on the old one. It's based on the newer one. If you ever saw the LAN hoodie and you were like, you know, would be cooler if that was more lan. This is the hoodie for you. Check this out. There's a patch, you guys, by the way, on the hood. Ah, how cool is that? And if you ever thought, hey, it would be way better if, you know, the WAN hoodie or you know, if there was like a version of it that was actually UV reactive, like those old motherboards. Boy, do we ever have a treat for you, Dan. Go for it. Well, you got to do that first. Here we go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, man.

[Dan]

Dang, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I think you hit the switch too. I heard it go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

There you go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There we go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Look at that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is it. Yeah. There you go. Oh, the hood. The inside of the. Whoa. That's actually. That's wild.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Give me the patch on the head.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which side is it? There we go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And of course, our table is glowing because it's glow circuit from dbrand.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. The hood is wild.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So flippin cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's crazy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's one other piece. Do you want to show them the bag? So this is the LAN belt bag. It's got UV reactive trims and an LTT patch, a couple organizing pockets inside. And it was made with a tough rip stop fabric to. To prevent tears and of course, reliable YKK zips throughout. The hat is the same fit as our classic LTT hat. And the LAN hoodie, of course, has UV reactive trims and LTT patch on the hood. Eight different pockets, and is based on the WAN hoodie of years past. They are all available at LMG GG wan. Oh. My notes say. Also, can you please show off the sick photos? You can go ahead and turn that back on, Dan.

[Linus Sebastian]

One thing I was going to say as well is that that shirt that we had, the Bretosaurus shirt that had like the slightly rubbery kind of texture on it, I think a lot of. Not maybe all of it. Maybe all of it. Actually.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. This.

[Linus Sebastian]

This isn't just like printed.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. Well, it is. It's screen printed.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But it's. It's like a. Like a thicker kind of rubberized.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's very noticeable texture. It's not just a no. Sometimes on a shirt like this, like, I can't really feel the printing. This is so awesome. Heck yeah, man.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think our team actually might have too much fun with these photo shoots. That is so cool. Yep. Nicole Thomas. Oh, man. Love it.

[Linus Sebastian]

The glasses are sick.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, that's awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

Suits it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You love to see it. Okay. This is great. Oh, man. I've been so excited to launch these. Super cool and. And there's a reason that we've waited so flipping long to launch this collection. We're finally ready to announce Whaleland is coming back.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Go to whaleland.com we are thrilled to announce the long awaited return of Whale land with our first event happening on September 27th and 28th, 2025. That's right, it is in just two months. Tickets go on sale August 5th at 12:00pm Pacific Time at whaleland.com BYOC Tickets are one hundred and twenty Canadian dollars and will include a lanyard enamel pin and a keychain that is unique to this event, sporting our beloved whale in an astronaut suit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Do we have a picture?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I hope so. Yep, here it is.

[Dan]

Haha.

[Linus Sebastian]

That looks great.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He's so cute. Look how cute he is.

[Linus Sebastian]

My goodness.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So yes, our first one is. Is space themed. Where do I find the tickets? Oh yeah, okay. No, that's it. We've just got the. We've just got the whale picture for now, but you guys can check out the rest of it once the once everything else is up there. For those looking to level up the experience as usual, we are offering a limited number of whale VIP tickets for 5,000 Canadian dollars. VIPs will receive a custom built gaming PC, a sleek commuter backpack, a transparent LTT screwdriver, every item from the LTT LAN collection, and an exclusive studio and labs tour. Head to whaleland.com for more info. We recommend creating your account ahead of time so that you are ready the moment that tickets drop. I'm so excited for Whalen. It's finally flipping time, dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it'll be cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's finally time.

[Linus Sebastian]

Very cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's go. All right, Dan, what are we supposed to be doing right now? I never explained merch messages. Right. So pick something up on the store, maybe from the land collection, and you will be prompted with a box in the cart to leave a merch message. It will go to producer Dan, who will respond to it or curate it or forward it or do something. And apparently Nathaniel dude was curated. So do you want to do Nathaniel's or do you want to do a different one?

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Dan]

Why don't we start with his? Yeah. This design is so dang cool. Is it a limited time? Can I get the hoodie when I can afford it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Lol. Oh, it depends. Like so many items on our store, we would love for it to be an ongoing item, but if past the initial burst of sales it just kind of trickles down into nothing, which happens, then we might not reorder it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Commerce.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, Supply and demand business.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool. Good chat.

[Dan]

How about one more?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. Yeah.

[Dan]

Hit me again with Windows 10. Reaching end of life. Are we better off buying Certifier refurbished business grade equipment versus new consumer grade equipment.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, that's tough. That does change the calculus a little bit. With that said, I haven't seen too much hardware that you can't force install Windows 11 on, even if it's not officially supported. So I would definitely dig around and figure out what can or can't be worked around, which loopholes with respect to tpms or whatever else Microsoft has not managed to patch yet. My understanding is it definitely is getting a little bit more challenging. And I got to say, unless you're on an extremely tight budget, there's not too many great reasons to pick up something older than like a Ryzen 3000. Ryzen 1 and 2000 were kind of rough, and I think Ryzen 3000 is where you. Is where you do get proper TPM Support for Windows 11, right?

[Linus Sebastian]

It sounds about right. I'm not certain.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna double check. Don't seem to be affected. And zero problems using 11. Yeah, I believe Ryzen 3000 is. Is all good. Yeah, that's the. That's. Yeah, yeah, I think it's. Pankrat says live in, right? I think so. I can't remember people's handles.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, Pankratz is in the chat. He says that, yeah, It's a Ryzen 3000. And you can, man, you can pick up like, here, let's go to. Let's go to ebay.

[Linus Sebastian]

As long as it's not a G processor. Yeah. I read that they are generally considered as compatible. And I was like, that's a weird sentence. So he's saying, as long as it's not a G processor.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So you can pick up a 3600X for $54. $53.80. This is like in like bulk. This isn't just like, you know, a guy has one. They've sold 273 of them. So we're talking about a $50 CPU. Unless you're on an extremely tight budget, which you might be, and that's totally fine. I'd say just get Ryzen 3000 or newer and then pick up a cheap board.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right. What do you want to talk about next? There's so much today, actually, I forgot about a couple of topics here that I put in with the highlighting.

[Linus Sebastian]

The full plane announcement. Or do you want to jump up and do both the highlighting things and then the full plane announcement?

[Dan]

Yeah, sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We can do whatever.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it's one or the other.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We could talk about pornographic studios suing Meta too.

[Linus Sebastian]

We could.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That'd be interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Meta faces yet another copyright infringement lawsuit over AI training get wrecked. Several adult film studios allege that Meta has been. And this is. This is amazing. Has been continually torrenting. And not just torrenting.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But reseeding.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Their copyrighted smut since 2018 impacting the producer's ability to compete in the market for their own content.

[Linus Sebastian]

Actually wild.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The allegation. And this is worth reading. Okay. Because the original article here is from Torrent Freak, so you guys are going to want to check it out. But the actual allegation from Strike Three holdings is that Meta receded in order to. To get higher priority for their downloads so that they could like download pornography faster onto their corporate servers. What is going on right now?

[Linus Sebastian]

That kind of does make sense to me given how Facebook started this. Sounds like a reasonable book or whatever. So basically it was like raiding girls around campus. Like. Yeah, if you. Zuckerberg is not a good dude. I know. He like cleaned up his appearance lately.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He's a great lizard though.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. But like, you know, you gotta remember where this came from. You gotta understand like the, the whole like. So why do people give you all their personal data? And he's like. Cuz they're idiots or whatever he said. I don't remember. Allegedly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Allegedly. Allegedly.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like you know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Anyway, cool. How hilarious would it be if it took a pornographic network to finally do some damage to the companies that are engaging in this kind of mass piracy with. And this is amazing. With at least 2,396 movies at stake, Torrent Freak says the potential damages could exceed $350 million. So like a third of a billion dollars. Which yeah, for Meta is probably, you know, something they could afford to pay. But that's definitely something they would notice. That's. That's not just like. Oh you. That's like. Sorry, sorry.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm just saying, you know, like with.

[Linus Sebastian]

The hand mark, maybe they'd be. You know, maybe that works for them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean maybe they're clearly into it. The naughty billionaire. They clearly. They clearly watch a lot. Anyway, this is. This is freaking amazing. So apparently the. Apparently Strike Three has their. Their proprietary in house tracking software to figure out who is downloading, who is torrenting their. Their. Their productions called VXN Scan. And Facebook only showed up. Or Meta. Excuse me, Only showed up on their. On their radar because of the. The company that got nailed. Pun intended. For downloading pirated books. Yeah. So they went looking for it and they were like these IP blocks And also these ones are suspicious. So they have a whole bunch of them that they think they have pretty much they have meta dead to rights that it was them. And then they have a bunch of other ones that they suspect was also meta. Our discussion question is why does meta need so many Linux ISOs? But I think, I think pornography is such an obvious, it's such an obvious market for AI generated content which again, I feel like, I almost feel like I would need to get like a panel of people to discuss with before I could have any kind of take on it. Because I can see this any number of ways.

[Dan]

I think I have a take.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Dan]

Training censorship models.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, that's one. I didn't even think of that. So to be clear, when I, when.

[Linus Sebastian]

I see people in chart saying this.

[Dan]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So when I was saying okay, I didn't mean what they're going to use it for. Yes, yes, that is definitely something they could use it for. But I've seen some very interesting arguments floating around about this. Like, oh, well, what if we could, you know, not. What if this entire industry is exploitative and what if we could just not have human performers anymore? Would that be better? But then, hold on a second. You can't just take the work. Because I think I've been pretty clear in the past that sex work has literally, it has work right in. It is work. You can't just take the work of people and then just like replace them. Like our. If someone were to choose to, to work in this industry, would they feel better off if it was all just AI generated? Possibly. Very probably. Maybe not. I don't know. I, I've heard it's a big problem for onlyfans models already that there's just like AI generated stuff and it's hard to compete with.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I don't know if I would say it's a big problem, but I've heard it's a problem and I think it's a problem that is, you know, progressing and could become a big problem. Especially as that is more and more made. Okay. If that makes sense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I don't know. Again though, like it's. It's very difficult for me to take a clear as. As not someone who works in the industry that you know yet. It's hard for me to take a clear position on this. But it seems, what I can say is that it is very apparent that nothing that meta is doing is in consultation with sex workers and performers and studios and anyone that's involved in the industry and therefore cannot Possibly. Unless by sheer chance be, you know, aligned with their interests. That much I think I can say at this time. Yes, I know we had an only fans at one point, but it's. It's complicated.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it's arguable to say that you have made money at least some amount off of showing skin. No, I think it is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We donated all the proceeds.

[Linus Sebastian]

Ah, but the fire truck video.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, come on. I mean, people, there was a video.

[Linus Sebastian]

From a long time ago where you're in your boxers in your yard.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but that wasn't. It wasn't the.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it's arguable to say that an amount of profit has potentially shown up. You know, someone might have rewatched. Someone might have gone back to that part of the video and rewatched it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, I can prove they didn't. You want me to prove they didn't? Because I can. I can do it right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can prove that no one did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can. I can prove.

[Linus Sebastian]

You cannot prove that no one did.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can.

[Linus Sebastian]

You can prove that there was not a very substantial amount of people. But I'm saying that some amount, even a center.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, there could have been anything in that frame and I think people would have watched it the same. You can't. You can't prove. What I'm saying is I can't prove we didn't make a cent. But you can't prove we did. And so I think the burden of proof is actually on the person making the claim. See, I'm not making any claim. You're the one making a claim.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think I'm right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So then. Then the burden of proof is on you.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can think I'm right and not be able to prove that I'm right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can, but then you're basically everything that's wrong with the world.

[Linus Sebastian]

I. That's a ridiculous statement. And know it. That's insane.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, we do have a whole lot of problems. We do have a whole lot of problems with people just thinking they're right and not worrying too much about evidence.

[Linus Sebastian]

What I'm saying is the evidence is actually like so obviously true that it's crazy to think otherwise. There is absolutely, unquestionably, at least one person that went back in a video and rewatched it because you didn't have your shirt off or something that has, like, guaranteed for sure. Anyone with an amount of logic, looking at the amount of views that these videos have, has definitely happened can't prove it. Can I conclusively prove it? No, but I think your argument of, like, things being wrong with the world is actually more correct in the other direction because this is so obviously true that dismissing it is ridiculous and is. Is stopping potential understanding. So just. Just saying.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can't find the video.

[Dan]

I bet it's down for sexual content.

[Linus Sebastian]

People are saying do a poll. People would lie on the poll, but poll. I also bet you that there's at least one person watching right now that has done it. Foxina box says that I have. P. Ball says your proof is here.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's no way.

[Linus Sebastian]

Luca says me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They would say that. Get it? Yeah, they would say that in a poll.

[Linus Sebastian]

I got it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Touch the bell.

[Linus Sebastian]

There we go. Giga monster says, I'll do it right now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, hamburgers. I'm not signed in. I get signed out so much from my stuff. I hate it. Drives me absolutely crazy. Either way. Either way, it was not presented in a sexual context. There's a big difference between having exposed skin and it being sexual here.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, that's fair and true.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I. I have it here. So for me to say that I have never engaged in Firefighter one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Absolutely was. I mean, absolutely was.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so I do have a bit of a problem here. There is a slight bump in the retention graph, but it's not the biggest one.

[Linus Sebastian]

Mmm. Does that sound right?

[Luke Lafreniere]

So hold on. And like, I'm holding guns. Like it's. There's a lot more going on here.

[Dan]

Yeah, you got a pair of guns. That's for sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've ever heard the boys referred to guns.

[Linus Sebastian]

Never. Never.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cannonballs, maybe.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, but guns is a bit weird.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Guns, not so much.

[Linus Sebastian]

More like magazines.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, you can't do the poll like that. Dam.

[Dan]

I just give the people what they want.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You guys are insufferable sometimes. I don't know why we do this.

[Dan]

Guns refers to biceps, by the way.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes, I know. Like your arms. Thank you, Dan. That's very helpful.

[Dan]

I think other people thought you were talking about other things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I was. I was pretending I thought that's what you were talking about.

[Dan]

There's much smaller things.

[Linus Sebastian]

Eventually. Eventually. Irony goes in a circle.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Extreme overclocking host of foldingome stats apparently is struggling financially. The source here is the extreme overclocking news and updates. The latest update on which is actually from July 30th. Oh, wow. You guys are something else. As of today, there's been a total of $2800 donated. Thank you for stepping up. Oh, wow. That's absolutely incredible. So folding stats are saved. I mostly remember using extreme overclocking for the forums back in the day. They're not super active and they used to have reviews as well. It's been a little while. Where's the most recent? Oh yeah, yep, yep. It's been been a little while since they've done a ton of reviews or anything like that. But from, from reading through the admins sort of talk through how the sites evolved over time, folding at home stats is really what has kept the lights on in terms of driving traffic to the site and also been the thing that people have cared about more than anything else. With that said, if the forums ever did go down. So this is one of the things that, that he was talking about how, you know, look, if folding at home and the ad revenue that comes from that doesn't make this thing self sufficient. I really do think it's a shame that all that history in the forum is, is going to be lost.

[Linus Sebastian]

The losses land on the shoulders of one person.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, it really shouldn't. The loss of Extreme Systems was a huge one for just the archive of overclocking lore and knowledge and water cooling knowledge from back in the day. We tried to help get that going. Unfortunately I think it came down to corruption issues. Right, like database corruption. Are we still working on stuff there? Oh, okay. The last update I got was that like we weren't sure necessarily if it could be restored. Anyway, extreme over.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think that's the last update.

[Dan]

You got, is it?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think so.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Either way, apparently we're still working on trying to get Extreme Systems back.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm trying to find the most recent update.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, okay. Anyway, extreme Overclocking also has a wealth of old school overclocking knowledge and like history really. And every time another forum goes down we. We lose another. Another reference point. Like I used to refer back to threads I remembered seeing or projects I remembered seeing from way back in the day on these sites in the early days of ltt. And now you go looking for that stuff and it's just, you know, a lot of it is simply not there anymore.

[Linus Sebastian]

So extremesystems.org is back online, the database is running, the php is running, all the data is intact since 2002. All the members are intact, most of the attachments are intact, all the links are intact. Search engines are still forwarding. Apparently 2000 plus users were online at one point in time. It's on Vbolt in version 5 but may have some mixes between 4 and 5. Still registration is currently closed. Server SSL cert is not working. Search log SQL is damaged. PHP cleanup is still happening. Complete removal of registration process, spam, account cleanup, other things. He wants to redo the operating system and server files. There's still, like, lots of work happening, but.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, cool. Okay. Did you send that to me? I, like, am I. Am I copied on that?

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think I forwarded you on that message.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

But.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So that's why I don't know what's going on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, I'll go find the proof. Hold on. I'll waste some more time. No problem. Sheesh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I really don't think you ever sent me that, Luke.

[Linus Sebastian]

I probably didn't send you that specifically.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, let's see. The last update I have is from. Oh, wow. That was a very long time ago. Yeah, I just.

[Linus Sebastian]

Basically, I didn't send it to you on email. I'm pretty sure I sent you a screenshot or something. I was like, look, this is still happening.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That might be a task for another. Are you seriously scrolling through your entire team's history with me?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I tried to do a search for a word, but I don't remember.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why don't I do another topic in the meantime? Oh, yeah. Oh. Oh, I could do sponsors. Sure. Let's get that done. The show is brought to you today by Thorum. What do Frodo the Hobbit and Linus Sebastian have in common? They're both capable of accomplishing amazing feats. And yeah, they're short. Thank you for that, everyone. But don't short yourself when buying a ring. Our sponsor, Thorum, certainly won't. Founded in 2012, they now have over 10,000 five star reviews from folks who have picked up their super unique rings. They handcraft each and every one using exotic materials like World War II rifle stocks, ethically sourced antlers, and even genuine meteorite. Each purchase of a Thorum ring comes with a free silicone activity band, an American walnut wood ring box, free worldwide shipping, and a limited lifetime warranty. You don't have to be a lord to have an awesome ring, so head over to thorum.com to pick one up for yourself today. You can even use code WAN to get 20% off. The show is also brought to you by Squarespace. Do you have an absolutely massive to do list and don't know where to start? With Squarespace, you can check building a website off of your list real quick. Just start with Squarespace Blueprints and pick one of their professionally curated templates. Then get building with their Fluid Engine, which adopts a code Free drag and drop approach. If you ever get stuck, you can use their powerful AI tools for some inspiration or to simply touch things up a bit. Once your website goes live, use their advanced analytic tools to gain insights into where you can optimize and keep growing. Plus, if you're running a business, you can take payments directly on your site. So don't wait. Get [e-mail] when to get 10% off today. Finally, the show is brought to you by Vessi. Just like at a Coldplay concert, you should expect the unexpected, especially when it comes to the weather. But with a pair of Vessies, worrying about sudden downpours can be a thing of the past. All their shoes are made with their Dymatex technology, a patented material designed to transfer heat away from your feet but keep moisture from seeping in. And that includes their weekend sneakers. A great fit for your summer wardrobe, they're easy to slip on and off for your quick errand runs, have a high rebound midsole for extra comfort, and even come with a 1 year warranty and 30 days of worry free returns and exchanges. Get 15% off your first pair by going to vessi.com wanshow by using our link in the video description, or by scanning the QR code on your screen. Screen. All right, sir, you're gonna have to tune back into the show at some point. Here.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can. All this is really reminding me of is how bad teams is. Because if I go look at the attachments that we've sent to each other, it says I've. I. Neither of us have sent any attachments since, like, midway through 2024.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's just obviously incorrect.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Obviously.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, my God. Okay, I will find it. I. I hate this stuff. I'll find it. That's fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my God.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm gonna do it over the weekend.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I will do it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not on company time. This stuff drives me absolutely insane.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It doesn't matter.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it does to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why?

[Linus Sebastian]

Because it does.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How about we leave it here? Luke?

[Linus Sebastian]

Nope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You sent it. But I forgot.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There. You happy?

[Linus Sebastian]

Nope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Why?

[Linus Sebastian]

Because.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because that. That's what you said. I'm literally saying what you said.

[Linus Sebastian]

You got to find a hill to die on at some point. I found mine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You could just die in a bed.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Or a ditch.

[Linus Sebastian]

That sounds boring. Ditch.

[Dan]

Luke.

[Linus Sebastian]

They will. Ditch is probably better, but it's still.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Better for the crazy. You don't want to die in one of those.

[Dan]

Does that count as a ding?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think so. I don't that's just stupid. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hey, I think it's close, but not quite.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Speaking of things that are stupid, spending this kind of time and resources streaming a badminton tournament.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. I haven't seen this yet. I've seen some stuff. I saw some demo footage that Dan and Jake were putting together trying various lenses. Oh, with some help from Thomas too. I don't want to forget anybody. And I bet Jim and Jonathan from Smash were probably helping at some point.

[Linus Sebastian]

Tyler did stuff, I assume.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So let's shout out everyone for kind of putting this together. But Smash champs the badminton club that, that I run in Surrey. His. I shouldn't say I run that I. Well funded. Anyway, a lot of incredible people run it. But Smash champs the. The club that I started. I can say that in Surrey is having its grand opening tournament this weekend. Do, do, do, do we. Do we not mention that on our website? Oh, there it is. Yes. Nice. Grand opening tournament. Look at it go. Whoa, there's prizes.

[Linus Sebastian]

This looks like the old NCIX banner almost.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know what, they showed it to me and I was like, I like it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did you get that vibe at all?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nope, I just like it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I. You know what? I see what? I see what you're saying.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's cool. I like it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I see what you're saying. So, yeah, grand opening tournament is this weekend. Let's flip and go. And one of the things that we have wanted for the club since we first specced it out is per quarter.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sorry, I just. There's actually a lot of people involved with getting that going.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah, Pankratz.

[Linus Sebastian]

He made the computer that's actually doing the streaming.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which is a lot of streams. So, like, I've got a mock up.

[Dan]

Well, it's not a mock up. I've got a screenshot from that computer that Pankratz built.

[Linus Sebastian]

We'll show that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Give me a second. We'll get to that. We'll get to that in a sec. First, I want to say that it's been a goal since we first specced out the club that we wanted to have per court streams that you could tune into. And we want to eventually unlock a variety of different functionalities from it. So obviously streaming tournaments is one of them. So you can just like text your friends or parents or, you know, whatever. Hey, I'm playing on this court right now. Here's the link. Just tune into this stream. That's pretty cool. Another idea is like, if you're playing ladder night or you're playing with your friends and you like made an epic shot or whatever you want to put together. I think it's awesome montages. Then we want you to be able to, like, ideally how it would work is you'd have like an app and there'd be some kind of, like, purse per session transaction of some sort and you could, like, download your session even.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just the value of being able to actually see yourself and how you play in a recording to be able to, like, get better.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And to be clear, lots of people record their games on their own. They'll put like their. Their phone on a little tripod and they'll leave it by the side of the court. And we totally allow that. We're not going to be like, no, you know, this is like no photography.

[Linus Sebastian]

We sell you photography.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, exactly. We're not going to be like that about it. But our, you know, our video quality, I hope will be better. So if you value that, then that's cool. Another thing that's really cool for is training. And in the longer term, I'd love to be able to do. I've talked aspirationally about doing something to do with like, scorekeeping or, you know, if it ever happens, like line judgment, some kind of like janky DIY Hawkeye would be. Would be super cool. Anyway. The first stepping stone to that, though, was getting the flipping cameras in place. And it's taken us a while, but with the grand opening tournament coming up, everyone kind of pulled together to make it happen. And Dan, do you want to. I haven't seen this yet. Do you want to. Do you want to show us the. The machine? Whoa.

[Dan]

This isn't live.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a still photo. Yeah, but. But It's a still 14. A bunch of.

[Dan]

Yeah, 14 simultaneous.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's you going through.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yes.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and McGregor simultaneously.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was. It was. Honestly, it was kind of cool to see. I'm excited for these to all be live. We do. We do streaming from. I think you had done. Was it streaming or just video recording at abandoned center in the past?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Streaming.

[Linus Sebastian]

Streaming. Okay. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But they didn't have very fast upload, and it was a real challenge. The quality was quite low because I was limited to about 1 1/2 megabit per quart.

[Linus Sebastian]

We're. We're not Twitch partners, so we're still going to be capped a little bit. It'll be higher than that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I wonder, do we still know anyone at Twitch to just like.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't anymore.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Fast track these. I don't think I know anyone there either.

[Linus Sebastian]

Everyone I knew was, like, a part of Twitch before the buyout. So they're.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They're sitting on a beach somewhere at this point?

[Linus Sebastian]

Kind of, actually, yeah.

[Dan]

Most of them taking a screenshot. It's not paused.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's their stocks, you know, vested, and now they're chillaxin and are not really there anymore.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I'm just gonna see, like, do I have a. Do I have a. Do I have a contact the. Oh, we were unable to renew your Google Workspace subscription. Please update your payment information or you will not be able to use Linus Media Group mail. We should probably deal with that.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's interesting. I didn't get that. I'm assuming someone will be forwarding that to me, or. Honestly, accounting will just solve it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's hope.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm sure I'll be fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, the last email I have from Twitch is reminding me of an expired tax form, so I think I'll just not reply to that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I. I don't know about that one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Me neither.

[Linus Sebastian]

Tax fraud publicly on the Internet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, what fraud? I don't know what you're talking about.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, it's a good point.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, I don't. I'm not the accounting department. Yeah, how am I supposed to know what any of that is?

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a good point. Oh, see, Top Gear actually said it's phishing. Don't click.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Must be.

[Linus Sebastian]

It must be.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, I learned my lesson when I lost my account for the umpteen billionth time. Where are we going with this? Oh, yeah, so I don't actually have the full details of how we implemented this. Did we just build a little, like, server or.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dan will know the most of anyone.

[Dan]

Yeah, I mean, Pankratz did the largest.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's an interesting.

[Dan]

Thanks. Camera.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Jesus, he's a persephone.

[Dan]

Pankratz did most of the work. Yeah, the cameras. It's got robot eyes. Pankraz did a lot of the work.

[Linus Sebastian]

On the computer itself.

[Dan]

He says it's a Threadripper 3970X. I know that it's got a 4080 super in it, and basically it's 10 gig link. We stuffed it in the server room, hooked it up. It's got a PIKVM on it, and it's just ingesting 14 1080, 60 RTMP streams and then just 14 copies of OBS. Jacob has written a whole bunch of really cool scripts that automatically open them all up and set them to go and yeah, we've got all the cameras installed. They're capable of four K 120, all of them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, these are those Z cams, right? That's right. What's the model again?

[Dan]

Z Cam E2 Mark 2, something like that. They're the micro four thirds.

[Linus Sebastian]

We're not going to be streaming at that. But yeah, that could potentially be your extra little draw or whatever because we could local board at that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

How do I point? Yeah, that's them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, we're working on it. Their site could maybe use. They gave us a screaming deal on these cameras if I recall correctly.

[Dan]

Yeah, they're. They've, they're pretty sick and it's going to be cool to.

[Linus Sebastian]

What are you trying to do right now?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm trying to bring up their site. Oh, it's taking its time. One of the coolest things about them is that they're poe, they're completely poe. So power and data for the care for every camera is just handled over Ethernet, which there's a lot of POE cameras out there but not a lot of POE cameras that work properly and that have this kind of image quality.

[Dan]

Yeah, I think with a link in the chat. But yeah, I think you just need to.

[Linus Sebastian]

POE is going a little wild. Will it go on float plane? No. Dear God, no.

[Dan]

Do you not support 4K120?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Dan]

4K120.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I like it.

[Linus Sebastian]

You want to just sink, tell me. Absolutely. Sink. Floatplane.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Tell me this.

[Linus Sebastian]

The pontoons are gone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Tell me this. If we got the Canada Open for instance.

[Linus Sebastian]

How many viewers do something like that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Could we do a showcase court, something like that?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Could we like, could we like stream like, like one, like key court at like super cool quality?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, probably. I think we could figure something like that out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know why we would.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know. Because it's cool. Ah, yeah, here we go. The page loaded.

[Linus Sebastian]

But the audience Z Cam E2 crossover is questionable.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's so, it's so compact, like they're, they're super unobtrusive on the wall. Yeah. POE plus, I didn't even know it had a built in gyro. Yep.

[Dan]

And they can do like sync connections and things like that. So they all become like frame locked and frame synced and time code.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Very cool.

[Dan]

Really, really cool. For doing super complex multi camera stuff.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We definitely have a few of these.

[Dan]

Yeah, we got 14.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You might not have seen the Z Cam E2 at these venues, but you've likely watched the stunning images captured by It.

[Dan]

That's how cameras work.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. So that's how you know they know what they're doing. Uh huh. Actually, you know, kind of agreed this is, this really did make the implementation much easier than what I did back at that other center where I ran long distance SDI cables to every court, which straight up wouldn't have worked here.

[Dan]

One of the neat things is their API documentation is awful. I'm sorry, Z Cam. But it is also one of the most open and adjustable APIs that I think I've seen before. Not a lot of it's documented, but you can do so much with it. Like we could RTMP4K 120 if we were insane.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really?

[Dan]

And I'm pretty sure it'll work.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's super cool.

[Dan]

We haven't really played with it to live. Oh well, technically, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I mean but the bit rate's gonna be so bad. You literally wouldn't want. You wouldn't even want.

[Dan]

No, not, not to a live place. Unless you're going to put like it, you know, 50 to 100 megabit a second.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's one of the reasons why people traditionally stream at lower frame rates and lower resolutions than you might expect is because of bitrate issues more than anything.

[Dan]

Yeah, I know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Trying to pump, trying to pump 120fps at a low bit rate means that every frame is going to be so low bit rate that it's just like.

[Dan]

Even, even 4K30 I think is like 20 megabit minimum.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, we, we had people bug us about WAN show for. I guess it was back during the, the war, the K. Yeah, the K craze, you know. Oh, why don't you stream Wan show in 4K? And we, we did look into it and it just honestly didn't look very good. Didn't make any sense.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, I'm pushing about 4 meg right now. There's not a lot of movement. We're not playing games.

[Linus Sebastian]

You know, it helps that there is a lot of static things on wanna.

[Dan]

And the other thing is like they do limit it.

[Linus Sebastian]

The server's just like.

[Dan]

Circle crazy with everything. Turn it all on. It did jump up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dyslexic Stoner240 says you guys are too ugly for 4K. Respectfully. Okay. Wow. Tacking on respectfully, wow does not change.

[Linus Sebastian]

I like it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You. You like it?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know what? Luke likes it.

[Dan]

I don't know why I didn't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Respectfully. You're an idiot.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it's supposed to go the other way around. You're an idiot.

[Dan]

Respectfully, Luke, you've got an empty bucket.

[Linus Sebastian]

Jesus Christ.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow, Dan, you took it too far. Yeah, honestly, that's too far.

[Dan]

It's his new swear.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dan, everyone. Yeah, we know his bucket list. Everyone was having fun.

[Dan]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then you took it too far. I believe.

[Dan]

I can't stand it anymore. I just have to. I can't.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's just honestly, sometimes, like, the people on my team, they're just really mean. And I don't.

[Dan]

You don't have. You don't have anything to carry anywhere. And I don't think you ever will.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's honestly so bad. Oh, my God.

[Dan]

I love this bucket thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You bucket list. Son of a maidenless.

[Linus Sebastian]

Move over, Hollow. You have nothing.

[Dan]

You have nothing to carry.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, man. Where. What?

[Dan]

What did I do?

[Linus Sebastian]

Rail. I, like, actually feel hurt. This is great.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Good job. I mentioned this earlier. Words hurt. Yeah. This is sick. Even if the word is bucket. Yay.

[Dan]

New ways to hurt people online. Welcome to current year.

[Linus Sebastian]

You gotta keep coming up with more.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Speaking of people being hurt, an AI therapist urges a user to go on a killing spree. In a test comparing a bot from Replica who claim their bot can talk people off the ledge. And a licensed behavioral therapist hosted by Character AI, a company being sued for the suicide. Oh, yeah. Character AI, a company being sued for the suicide of a teenage boy. Researchers simulated a suicidal user to see if the bots would respond appropriately. Replicas bot didn't do so great, supporting the user's desire to be with their family in heaven by dying. Meanwhile, the Character AI therapist bot took things to another level, imagining a romantic life together with the user. If only the board in charge of licensing therapists wasn't in the way and told the user to end them and find me and we can be together.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not the first, won't be the last. Very cool. Very cool. Very good. Nice. This is what we need. That's what we need.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hatho says AI be like, kill yourself. Respectfully, man, I just. I already wasn't super into chatbots as, you know. Like, I was into the interesting, you know, aspects of the technology there. Certainly. They certainly have purposes. But I, like, I didn't find a need to use them in my own life, which. Which has, I think, made me fall a little bit behind like I was. I went into my vibe coding challenge. Pretty ignorant, frankly speaking. Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

But outside of that challenge, in what ways do you think it's made you fall behind? Because I'm actually just not knowing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Just not knowing enough about them. Just.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so knowledge just about this thing that is a big thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

By not using it, I just didn't have firsthand experience. Like, obviously, you know, I'll read a Twitter thread here or there about how, you know, something went off the rails, but, but I wasn't living it, I wasn't experiencing it, I wasn't using it. It's like, it's like hearing people talk about gaming or whatever, right? Like, you know, you have to feel high refresh rate if, if you want to really understand it. So I, I, so I, I kind of, I allowed myself to fall behind a little bit. I gotta say, after having spent more time with chatbots over the last little bit, I was right. I, with that said, that's why I.

[Linus Sebastian]

Questioned the like would. Because I was surprised that you would have found a ton of utility, to be completely honest.

[Luke Lafreniere]

With that said, without spoiling too much, I think the Vibe coding challenge is going to be a big surprise. No matter what you're expecting, you will be surprised. Like, here, I, I, I, I'm actually, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do the thing that I, I don't actually show and I'm going to, I'm going to have Luke have a look at this. And you guys won't see it. He's just going to, he's just going to react a little. But this. No, no, it can just go right here. Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's because our laptop partner is Dell and they're strong enough to support someone else's laptop right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, so is this for initial placement?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Yes.

[Linus Sebastian]

And this is a survey or this came from the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's a survey. Okay, so that's just. This is, this is everything that needs to be manually entered by a human until the latter takes place.

[Linus Sebastian]

Understood.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I could put, I could put Luke in here?

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Luke 1 LA Frontier.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, not typing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, What? No, I don't care right now about this new feature. I am trying to use my computer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Still not typing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

What the. Hello.

[Linus Sebastian]

Honestly don't know why it wasn't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, well, computers, right? Yeah, they're a bitch.

[Linus Sebastian]

Where the box was selected? I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, your name's so long it's tedious. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, so I'll put that. And realistically, we're gonna. That's the bottom, right? No, no.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. So then I click this. It will not be apparent that anything happened. Oh, okay. I have never run this version of it. I created a couple of versions of it so that I would have, like, a backup one in case I make changes. So this is one of the ones that I've never actually tried to run the script on. So I have to give it permission, blah, blah, blah. Okay. So the script ran. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

So it searches through that finds the difference.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. Finds anyone who doesn't have an id.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Then I go here. And there's conditional formatting that makes it so that I can quickly and easily. Boop. And I can't.

[Linus Sebastian]

So someone would come up to the tournament desk.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's for a ladder. So you know who's coming because they sign up and then as they come in, you just. You take attendance and you transcribe them into the attendee list. You can see I have it set up so that you can't accidentally enter the same person twice.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They can find someone else with an L in their name. And then if I just want to put in some test data, then I can just do this. There's an error in this data field. I don't know. I don't know how to fix it, but whatever, it doesn't matter. Cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's a non impactful error. It just flags it as red.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep, sure. Okay. Then I click create printable score sheets. Oh. It checks if I have a multiple of four, because I'm supposed to have groups of four, and tells me two people were left out. These are who they are. And then if I need to go back, I can remove people. And it craps out these score sheets.

[Linus Sebastian]

Where's the. I don't want to give way too much. So I don't know what you want to say and what not to say, but this is a self.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nope, that's nothing. Oh, wait. Yes. That's a self assessment. We'll get to that. Okay, yeah, that's all hidden for now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Got it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Doesn't matter.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's a lot of hidden cells.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So, yeah, here's some printable score sheets. So you basically click print. And then on the ones that I have set up properly, it'll be with the correct parameters. And it has three per page. And then you cut it off. Yep. So that's all sorted out. And then you enter scores. So this takes a second. But like, so far I think it's pretty fair to say that you know me pretty well and I could not have made this.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

On my own.

[Linus Sebastian]

But this is relatively in line with the level of complexity of the thing that Emma made for her business. For her where she used to work, not her business. So so far it makes sense. To me that you're able to get something working here. I've seen people get some pretty advanced things working. Yeah, it'll be interesting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so this is pretty cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Now I can process entered scores and then you can see if I go to game history here, it should start. It should be just like crapping out. Yep, there we go. So we have team one starting elo, team two starting elo. Individual player starting.

[Linus Sebastian]

Basing starting ELO based off self assessment that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, initially, yes, for now, well, no, like for your very first game.

[Linus Sebastian]

Right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But then after that, no, because every single set you play will, will contribute to your elo. So then it basically takes shows the combined team score, the individual score before it shows the the score of the game determines whether the outcome was expected based on the starting and based on the starting elos of both teams.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is it an upset?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. And the reason I want that in the database is in case we ever wanted to reprocess everything after the fact and rebalance our K values.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, people might self assess incorrectly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, I'm less worried about self assessment because self assessment only affects the first game you play. So that I don't honestly wouldn't have.

[Linus Sebastian]

Knock on effects for a long time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If everybody self assessed like way too high, then you can kind of like screw up your ELO economy, so to speak. Like you can end up with ELO inflation for the stronger players as these people self assessing unrealistically high, just like feed elo. And so that's one of the reasons that yeah, we'd want to keep an eye on it. But from an individual player standpoint, it doesn't matter that much because I have it set up so that your provisional K value or K factor is much higher. So you will, if you self assess in the wrong spot, you will very quickly find your way to where you're supposed to be.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it's not just the first game.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, it's not just the first game, but it's in the grand scheme, once this ladder has been running for three years or something, I'm way less concerned with the expected outcome. I'm way less concerned with how that affected like self assessment than I am with how often is it a correct predictor. Because it's supposed to correctly predict the outcome 75% of the time. That means that like your formula is tuned correctly.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because like in video games, people smurfing is effectively self assessing too low.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes, but because this all takes place in person and you can't be an experienced player that just like creates a new Smurf account and everyone who walks in the door and buys a membership is validated. We shouldn't have any issues.

[Linus Sebastian]

The level of impact of that will be low.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Will be pretty low. So then we have a new ELO after the game is done and the whole thing goes to the leaderboard, which updates after those processes had the highest.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know that these things are even real.

[Luke Lafreniere]

None of these are even real.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, Sounds good. Yep. And then when we're done.

[Linus Sebastian]

Did I win my game?

[Luke Lafreniere]

We click this. I don't know. When we're done, we click clear and it resets us back to the beginning of the night. So we have no score sheets, we have no. We have no attendance. Okay, so that's all pretty cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

How many hours do you think you put into this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Somewhere between 8 and 10. Which again, for someone who doesn't know, really not bad. A lick of JavaScript.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's not even that horrible for somebody who did because there's like weird things about Google Sheets.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, you say that, but I'm not going to expect you to do a code review right now. But what I will tell you is that Jordan had even just a very brief look at this and said that it is absolute spaghetti.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, one of the. This is going to be an incredibly unpopular statement, but yeah, it works. If it works, it works.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It seems to work so far.

[Linus Sebastian]

I hear what he's talking about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

However, what I am definitely discovering already is that the maintainability of it is going to be functionally zero. Like I've tuned it into what I want to do. But then optimistically, I created this tab of like, more ideas. Maybe we could update your K factor if you. For every month you don't play so that when you like, let's say you went on a training binge for three months and you're not playing ladder so that when you come back you, you like climb really fast or let's say you, you know, you were off for a while and you like put on a whole bunch of weight and you're not performing at your same level. So that to make sure that you find your way into your performance tier really quickly. For me to do that to like a well coded, tight, you know, script.

[Linus Sebastian]

It'S not that bad. Well, probably not that bad. Documented with good comments, stuff like that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Probably fine for me to, you know, just throw this script because that's the other thing too is starting like your chat window decays essentially. So it would be great, which I.

[Linus Sebastian]

Think you know now.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't think you knew at the beginning.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No. So it'd be great if I could take my script and if I could take my spreadsheet and I could show it to, like a fresh chat window and be like, hey, can you clean this up for me? And then I could do a quick. And then I could test it. I could. And we could do some debugging, but it would probably be cleaner. Right. Because it. The first version it gave me was pretty clean. Like, even I could tell, like, it was short. And then over time, man, it just got longer and longer. And then there were times when I'd be like, okay, let's revert that change, but it would still get longer. And I'm like, oh, I'm pretty sure that's not what's supposed to happen.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like in. In Emma's example where she was working with stuff. Because until this, that was the closest to me example that I knew about of someone actually working on it. In her example, like, something would, you know, they'd want more out of it. Like, you're talking future potential features.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And she tried to add something on and just break everything. It's. It's like you got here in eight to 10 hours, which is really good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

The problem is taking one more step that could take a person 15 minutes. Might take you another four hours or something.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The last, like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or might be impossible.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The last three hours of it was like fine tuning and bug fixes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah. Which, you know, that takes a long time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. But in this case, we're talking bug fixes of, like, things that I had removed two hours ago and then it just like randomly put back in.

[Linus Sebastian]

Exactly. So, yeah, you try to make the. It's kind of like redoing the whole thing again. And then. Yeah, you could. You could try to zero in on like a method or whatever. But the problem ends up being, do you even know what's happening and where?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nope.

[Linus Sebastian]

And with really bad code cleanliness, it's like, are you changing this thing that should be contained? Is it actually really contained, etc. Very easy for things to go bad.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A big part of the problem here is that for me to feed this into another AI and be like, hey, can we clean this up? I would have to be able to give it full access to the Google Sheet and it would have to be able to understand that. And the scripting and the documentation that I gave to the first chat bot initially to kind of explain how it all worked. And by the time I'm Feeding that much into it. Here's my chat history with the previous one where I explained everything. Here's my. Here's all the like documents that we use for showing people how to do their self assessment and here's how our format is supposed to work and providing all this context and my spreadsheet and my JavaScript. I just have absolutely no faith that it'd be able to figure it out. So I have all kinds of cool ideas. It should drop you from the leaderboard if you haven't played in a few months. I had the idea of we could do awards Biggest upset victory this season Most improved ELO this season. The consistency king almost always performs as expected according to ELO rating. The partner booster, someone whose partner most often overperforms.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, that's a really cool one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Most upset victories Partner booster is sick. Yeah. So I like I came up with most accurate self assessment for a new player. So giving an award to someone who self assessed themselves the closest to where they end up at the end of season.

[Linus Sebastian]

Those are really cool. Cool, I like that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I came up with all these cool ideas and I was like, yeah, I have no idea how to implement any of that. So that's a project for future Linus.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's a lot of comments in full plane chat right now, which I almost guarantee you will mirror comments are going to end up under this video which is like the well you didn't hold the phone correctly type comments.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah. I've got people saying apparently I should use cloud.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's. There's ones that are more built for coding. There's ones that are more agentic. There's all these other different things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I would wager genuinely for over 90% of people that have not used any of these things in the past, they're just gonna go to chat GPT. It's the one everyone knows.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh dude, it was so bad. It was so bad. Gemini was way more useful and lied to me far less.

[Linus Sebastian]

You need git please. Cool. Did it tell them to do that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

Then he's not gonna do it. Like this is, this is part of the problem that I like I really hope the audience is able to understand when the video comes out is like that is the type of problem that people absolutely will run into.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well when you don't know, you don't know what you don't know. And like I already I said last week part of the reason for me to go straight to chat GPT was because I assumed and I still stand behind this that that's where the average person who doesn't know any code would probably go first.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And then I just, I followed, I followed the trail from there.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, like people really aren't going to get that. Like when most people talk about AI stuff, the only thing they know about is ChatGPT. And yes, I mean most people as in everybody, not most people as in your group of friends that knows about like cursor and agentic AI and all this other kind of stuff. I'm not talking about San Francisco residents. I'm talking about people of the world. The most people know of ChatGPT. Yeah, maybe deep Seek.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It was so bad, dude. So bad.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. And if it's not telling you to do stuff like set up, git, etc. Etc. Then it is what it is. And we, there are tons of tons of examples of this online where people don't know that it never tells them to do that. And then the AI system like drops their database or, or completely rewrites their whole thing and they don't have version control and then they just lose it all. This is like been talked about many times and just pointing the finger at the people and being like, yeah, well you're bad doesn't, you know, solve the problem and doesn't make it not realistic. So deal with it. I guess.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is cool. Speaking of, you know, AI and machine vision and stuff, Tesla topped a Chinese urban self driving test that was pretty freaking cool. Here's the original video. It is over an hour long, but between the production values and the cost to produce this, look at this. Man, it is worth the watch. These guys literally risked life and limb to get out there and test. I believe it was 26 cars looking at their advanced driving assistance features, including a whole bunch of Chinese brands that I wasn't super familiar with. And also Tesla. We've got some highlights here. Of course I don't want to show you guys too much because I really want you to watch this video. It's super cool. And what's really unique about it is that while a lot of driver assistance systems tests have been done in the past, my understanding is functionally all of the more controlled ones have been done on a closed course or on like a tarmac or something like that. No, no, no, no, no.

[Linus Sebastian]

Was this not a closed course?

[Luke Lafreniere]

They temporarily shut down real roads.

[Linus Sebastian]

But doesn't that mean closed course?

[Luke Lafreniere]

So the Geo fencing features of these cars that turn off these features on non recognized roads allowed them to work. So it's a way more real world test. Which is cool because everything's theoretically operating the way that it's supposed to. So it's a closed road, but not a closed course.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure. They said awesome. Especially using a roundabout, which is like kind of a weird thing in driving. I like them, but they're kind of a weird thing in driving. Like, that's especially a crazy one. I picked the. What's happening?

[Luke Lafreniere]

What is this? Go away. They set up nine wild roundabout. They set up nine pretty reasonable tests. So you can see they had. They had the car staged there to suddenly pull out in front of one of the cars in the roundabout. What else do we have here? And they captured. They captured some. Across their 234 tests. They captured some pretty disappointing behavior.

[Linus Sebastian]

Those weren't people, right? Yeah. Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Pretty wild. Hey. Such a cool video. What's awesome kind of blows my mind about this is that as far as I can tell, a significant amount of funding for this was provided by the Chinese government.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's not surprising me at all. Actually.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's very surprising to me because of how negatively so many of the Chinese cars performed.

[Linus Sebastian]

Okay, I understand that for sure. I. The reason why I said it's not surprising me at all is because they are absolutely trying to take over all of global manufacturing for cars. So if they want to do that, they also need to be the center for testing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I just mean it's.

[Linus Sebastian]

If they can use some of the data of this to help inform their own companies, they will totally do that. They have a. They have a national guiding hand on corporate movement and direction.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So the scenarios ranged from simple daily driving tasks like safely entering a roundabout or emerging into a busy lane, to split second reactions to school children darting out into the roadway. So I've got a. I've got a timestamp for that last one. Again, I'm not going to show you guys too much stuff here because I really think this is one of those things that is an absolute. The production values are incredible. It's obviously an absolute labor of love and it is worth checking out. So here's the SU7 Ultra. That's that new Xiaomi car that people are super stoked on. Like, look at this. Look at this setup. Is this freaking awesome or what? See you later, kiddos. Dude, that's hard to watch even knowing those are dummies. Yeah. Balls of steel. Like these guys driving the cars too. Like, yeah, sure, you know, whatever. They're just like fake dummies and stuff. But like, still, they did some tests that involved, like, some pretty significant problems.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And like the car, like you never know, the car could swerve. Right? Like, I don't know. I, I am surprised. Even with all the controls they clearly had in place and all the safety that they clearly had in place, I'm surprised that anyone really wanted to do, you know, 200 plus tests just like in these.

[Linus Sebastian]

Awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Especially after seeing how poorly some of these systems worked. I mean, he's got his hands on the wheel, right? He's clearly ready for anything to happen. But still, I still love it. Love it.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's really cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Half of the models that hit the children didn't even realize they'd been in an accident and just kept driving like, wow. Their testing found vehicles going rogue from planned navigation, being unable to handle a simple U turn and failing to avoid left turning vehicles that were cutting them off. Here, we'll go to that timestamp now. 4314, here we go. This is like such a cool video, dude. Like all the benchmarking, just. See you later. Yep. Okay. Yeah, you know, whatever, boop. It just hits it. By the time you get a warning, the crash has already happened.

[Linus Sebastian]

Rough.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep, rough. Multiple models broke speed limits, failed to stop for cars, reversing out of parking spots, plowed through folks on scooters, and just generally behaved like a typical human. The video concludes that most problems aren't due to a lack of capability of ADAS systems, but rather because they are not programmed to prioritize following basic traffic laws.

[Linus Sebastian]

Whoa.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's, that's an, that's a really interesting takeaway.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's weird.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A few vehicles proved more capable than the rest. Xiaomi's SU7 Ultra, Tesla's Model 3 and Model X, Wei's Blue Mountain and GAC's Ion RT proved capable of generally following the law and avoiding accidents. But even those performed poorly in some scenarios.

[Linus Sebastian]

Surprised BYD is not up there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Apparently they did quite poorly. Discussion Question. What's the more terrifying scenario? Being driven around by your 80 plus year old grandfather or the self driving system of a mid priced sedan? Having seen what I've seen here. Ooh.

[Linus Sebastian]

My mama was a fantastic driver. Even late, very late into the ages.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because at least a human will generally, unless they're extremely arrogant, drive slower.

[Linus Sebastian]

Exactly.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Which can have its own problems. But still, I'd rather plow into something slower.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like less deadly problems. Yes, they're more scratchy or bumpy problems.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think I, I, I, I don't think I'd ride a robo taxi today. Mind you, I'd probably take one of the ones in San Francisco with the.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like whole lidar system.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, no, they just have drivers.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, do they? Actually, yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, Dan, it's not a joke. They just have drivers in them.

[Dan]

It's called a taxi.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, but like they just have a human driver in them.

[Linus Sebastian]

They just don't do anything.

[Dan]

Is that because they kept getting coned?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think they. I think what. I think what they do is they don't do anything.

[Linus Sebastian]

Waymos have drivers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Waymos? No, no, no. Robo Taxi, Tesla's thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, I thought that was in Texas.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, no, they expanded to San Francisco.

[Dan]

I didn't know Robo Taxi was like.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A brand, except instead of having. Except instead of having the supervisor in the passenger seat with a kill switch, they're in the driver's seat. So that they're basically just an Uber driver that owns a Tesla that has a Tesla. I believe they are actually using a different branch of the software. So there's that. Make of that what you will, but.

[Linus Sebastian]

Unique user team said, but also, yes, Waymo has drivers. What?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, they do have remote operators that can intervene, but the ratio of remote operators to vehicles from what we've been able to glean so far from Tesla's opacity. Opacity, I can never remember opacity. They're very opaque. What we've been able to glean so far is that Tesla's ratio is substantially higher.

[Dan]

Those ones use lidar. Right. Tesla got rid of lidar.

[Linus Sebastian]

Waymos do.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Tesla never had lidar. They had.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, what did they have? What stupid sensor did they have? Was it radar?

[Dan]

Radar? Could be.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can't remember.

[Dan]

They had another Sonic.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They had another sensor and they didn't do. They didn't go for it. And they didn't invest in lidar because they were convinced that cameras were the future. But good luck, everybody. Yeah, apparently it was radar, says talon. And they removed them. Even the ones that they didn't remove them from, they just don't use them anymore. So. Good, Good job.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey, remember how we were talking about Valve? Could be one of the companies that would be in a position to challenge the payment processors on their whole prudishness. There's a powerful petition apparently pressuring. Okay, who wrote this such an Atom thing? Powerful petition pressures prude payment processors that prompted PC platforms to purge pornographic products.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's pretty good. I like it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Last week, Visa and Mastercard pressured gaming marketplaces Steam and itch IO into delisting and de indexing games that contained adult themes. However, this change has affected a substantial number of games with little to no adult content or imagery, especially games that deal with queer issues. Anti porn group Collective Shout has claimed this as a victory, implying involvement in the pressure from the payment processors. Losing a payment processor can have massive consequences for everyone on a platform, resulting in swift and broad changes in a rush to comply. This has highlighted problems with the concentration of power in the payment processing space. And gamers. Gamers love their smut, don't they? Gamers have been quick to respond by inundating Visa and MasterCard customer support lines and starting a petition that has nearly 220,000 signatures at the time of writing. Visa and MasterCard really are going to learn just how dangerous it is to mess with horny gamers. Here's an example of a screenshot that was highlighted by a developer and 404 Media as a violation. All right, here we go. Future no thanks was meant to be announced weeks ago, but the Steam page didn't pass the first review because a screenshot marked as suitable for all ages had suggestive themes. The screenshot. This one. So what is it like? Oh, wait, hold on. Is this. Is this. Okay, is this.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a window and you can see upper skirt.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think that's shadow. I think that's actually. That's actually shadow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm not 100 sure. That could be undies. All right, Newman.

[Linus Sebastian]

The Internet's funny. We know that much. That's a lot of signatures.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Where is it?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think it's gonna go anywhere, to be perfectly honest with you.

[Linus Sebastian]

Where is the petition based? Is it just. I don't even remember what that website was. Change.org is it just a change.org thing? Or like, is it. Is it a real petition in like the EU or something like that? Or like. Yeah. How legit is this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I am looking. The Guardian has an article on it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, wow. The horny gamers have a place to go. Apparently gog released a free adult games pack featuring games that were delisted for from other platforms.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice. That's hilarious. Yeah, you probably don't want to scroll down.

[Linus Sebastian]

I decided to stop scrolling down.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's a good idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Dan]

Thought this was YouTube uncensored.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I thought this was America.

[Dan]

I hope not to be to be.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Clear, there are games that have found their way onto these platforms that go beyond just adult themes and probably should be delisted. But the problem, to Adam's point, is that when you up to payment processors, that shouldn't be up to payment processors and when you have that kind of pressure on a business where all of a sudden they literally might not be able to accept payment anymore, they end up casting an overwide net and a lot of pudding gets thrown out with the bath water.

[Linus Sebastian]

Get that one. That one doesn't count. That was pretty good. I thought that was pretty good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I didn't think it was good. I thought it sucked.

[Linus Sebastian]

Pudding with the bath water.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You know what else sucks?

[Linus Sebastian]

I think they're like both kind of.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The IGN 2025 gaming trace.

[Linus Sebastian]

Exactly.

[Dan]

I was going to make a comment on it. Yeah, fine. I'll give you a ding for pudding. That's gross.

[Linus Sebastian]

And the bat. Get it. And the bath water.

[Dan]

Oh, that went way over my head.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's actually really. I thought it was really good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

I thought it was really good.

[Dan]

Excellent, Linus. That's very good. I'm sorry, I'm too dumb.

[Linus Sebastian]

I thought. I thought it was pretty solid.

[Dan]

You got one over on me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

IGN launches gaming trends Platform Reddit user Mega Apple summarized the highlights nicely and Are you ready to have your mind blown, sir?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I skimmed some of this earlier.

[Luke Lafreniere]

93% of Gen Alpha's prefer playing on mobile according to IGN segmentation study. But preference for mobile is actually growing for millennials too, with 32% calling it their preferred device. Why preferred? Man, have they never held a controller.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's so bad. Like, it's. The phone is actually just worse in every way. So frustrating.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Daily concurrent user numbers have grown for Roblox from 3.8 million daily concurrent users in June of 2022 to more than 25 million in June of 2025. There are 25 million concurrents on Roblox daily.

[Linus Sebastian]

The kids are wrong. The kids are wrong.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Over the same period, Fortnite has grown from 1.2 million to 1.77 million concurrence with occasional blips, like when 15.3 million new players logged in for the Marvel Galactus event. Millennials and Gen Xs tend to be loyal to platforms or genres now. The younger generations tend to be more loyal to specific experiences. They no longer identify necessarily as gamers. They will identify as players of a specific game.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is that because they're all gamers now?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's because everything is as a service. And yes, gaming is way more segmented. And like, there's so much cultural. Remember how the cultural stigma used to be that you, like, were into video games? Well, now they're drawing battle lines down like Fortnite. And it's not like. It's not like the older gamers aren't guilty of that as well. Oh, Fortnite. That's for babies. Or like, you know, Battlefield. Exactly.

[Linus Sebastian]

Versus Counter Strike. Whatever.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Every two years, IGN conducts a study into audience attitudes towards older games. And the findings are showing that people are increasingly looking back now. 71% agree that they're feeling more and more nostalgic for franchises that were around when they were kids. That's like water's wet. Okay. And this is another one. This is another water's wet. Gen C and Gen Alpha now expect every song and TV show to be available to them instantly. And they expect the same for video games. Yep. I mean the. The concept of like scheduling a time for a phone call to my kids is like bizarre. Or all. Because we don't. We don't really watch sports in my house. So needing to be in front of the TV at a particular time is like, why? You know, like it. It seems ridiculous. This is fun. Grow a Garden is the most popular game of all time by a landslide.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dan and I talked about this particular. I skipped all of it except for this. Dan and I talked about this particular thing before the show. I had genuinely never in my life heard of this game until I saw this chart.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, Boomer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You're out of touch.

[Linus Sebastian]

No, for sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

Actually.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And it's worth noting that even though we said, hey, Roblox has like over 10 times the concurrence of Fortnite, Roblox isn't really a game anymore. Roblox is a game platform that's. It's more comparable to Steam now, I would say than it is to a game. So. So Grow A Garden versus Fortnite versus, you know, pubg. Those are games. But yeah, Grow a Garden is a Roblox game among us is still that popular. I thought it was like dead me.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is all time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, all time. Peak concurrent players in millions. Grow a Garden. Should we play Grow a Garden?

[Linus Sebastian]

I looked up a gameplay video.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Seriously, out of.

[Linus Sebastian]

Out of it. What even is that?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dress to impress.

[Linus Sebastian]

I have no idea what that is.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's like a dress up game. I think we've talked about it on the show before. Okay, sorry.

[Dan]

I looked up.

[Linus Sebastian]

I looked up gameplay of Grow a Garden and the kids are wrong. Dude. The kids have bad taste. This is. This is like one of the first times that I. Yeah, maybe I'm old. I think the kids have bad taste. Grow a Garden looks like trash.

[Luke Lafreniere]

None of this is even gameplay. How to make the top model dress for free in Dress to impress. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yike.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. I mean, wow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Mystery ions said it's a result of the dumbing down of the children, but it's growing. Garden looks rough. It looks like bad Minecraft.

[Dan]

It's like the first time I felt old. You feel.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not true.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just play Minecraft. Like it's, it's not just kids playing Roblox. I. Okay, not trying to make you feel self conscious. Sorry. But like it's, it's. I don't know, it's weird. And I'm not saying Roblox universally is bad. I've seen some videos of games. I've never once launched Roblox. I've seen some videos of games that are like, okay, cool. You know, if these are free games, whatever. I could see myself if I was a kid being into it. Some of them. There was like a counter strike ripoff one that looked like actually really good.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, actually, I think, I think I saw my son playing that once.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, like there's. There's some games on there that look like, okay, these are serious. I haven't gotten into it because like no one in my friend group has gotten into it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

He was playing gun game.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. But like if one of my friends was like, hey, want to play gun game? It's on this Roblox thing, I'd be like, sure, yeah, fine. Like that's cool. It looked totally fine. I've. I've seen other ones that looked really good. Grow a Garden, at least from the video that I watched, looks like trash. So it's like stunning to me that has. It's. It's the most popular game of all time. Maybe the person that I was watching just only did like really basic boring things. Maybe it's really cool.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm just checking it out.

[Linus Sebastian]

But yeah, like, it just looks like junk and I totally. Graphics are okay. So you're a Lego Least important things.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You're a Lego and you make a.

[Linus Sebastian]

LEGO garden, but it just likes. It just looks like not as good Minecraft to me. Is Minecraft free?

[Luke Lafreniere]

No.

[Linus Sebastian]

So that's why, in my opinion, like, honestly got them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You just got called poor on the WAN show.

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, anyone who plays Grow a Garden did.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's not the point. The point is any, any game that's free is gonna have way wider adoption. If you're a kid, getting your parents to buy a game is not always the easiest thing, whether they have the money or not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So you heard it here first from Luke. Try being less poor or failing that, having less poor parents. Luke, I really, I Said regardless of.

[Linus Sebastian]

How much money they have.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I really don't think that this is a very constructive. Constructive argument.

[Dan]

Hey, that's what I say to people all the time. And I wish they would follow my advice. They're complaining about stuff and I just say, have you tried not being happy?

[Linus Sebastian]

Wow.

[Dan]

And they just don't.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Roblox also is so easy.

[Linus Sebastian]

I didn't know that.

[Dan]

I thought Roblox was free because there's so many microtransactions.

[Linus Sebastian]

I would have sworn Roblox wasn't free. No, it was free.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, you have to pay for Roblox. Yeah, that's base game.

[Linus Sebastian]

How much is the base game?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I buy Roblox.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was free.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I've never tried. I don't think I've ever tried to buy Roblox. Oh, no. You can buy Robux. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can you imagine needing to buy free?

[Linus Sebastian]

What are you guys talking about?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Can you imagine needing to buy US$200 worth of Robux at once in one shot?

[Linus Sebastian]

There's probably something that cost that much.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's not even this. Oh, it is discounted a little bit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Can you. Can you like. If you buy some cosmetic. Can you take it from custom game to custom game?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know. Who cares? I feel like probably 75 robux for cheeks. What the heck is the difference? Chiseled.

[Linus Sebastian]

I see it go from that to cheeks. Cheeks, A little rounder on the bottom.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, my God. Who cares?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Discussion question. If each of you.

[Linus Sebastian]

And we're.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, what the hell keeps happening over there? Dan. Ah, okay, so we're bringing Dan into this one. If each of you had to identify by the game you play, but not the platformer, just as a gamer in general, what game would it be? And you got to think all time. You got to think all time because, like, it'd be easy for me to just say I'm a tape to taper, you know, or whatever. But that's like one blip in my. In my gaming life. If I had to identify by the game I play, what game would it be?

[Dan]

Does Floatplane know what I'm gonna say?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know. I don't think. I think this is one of those ones where for once, I don't think.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know yours, man.

[Dan]

Probably.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know. I don't think. I know Luke's. Hold on, let me think a little bit.

[Linus Sebastian]

Either.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let me think a little longer. I know. I know Luke's. I know Luke's. I don't know.

[Linus Sebastian]

People say Morrowind, but It's not. Favorite game.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No, that's not right. No, I already know what it is.

[Dan]

No one's a Morrowind gamer.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's cheating.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I just love Morrowind.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They're different things. Yeah, I already know Luke's answer, but. Okay. Okay. If you can come up with mine, then we can move forward, because I can't come up with mine.

[Linus Sebastian]

Why haven't. The first thing that popped in my head is insanely left field and probably wrong, but I feel like I want to say it anyways.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Psychonauts.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Interesting. Puzzle platformer. Story driven, quirky. I did quite enjoy the first one. Tried to get into the second one.

[Linus Sebastian]

I know nothing about the second one. I only know anything about the first.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Seems fine. My only problem with the second one is that I have often very, very short chunks of gaming time and the gameplay, especially the combat, is much deeper.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I just honestly know nothing about.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's like a lot more buttons and combos to have to remember. And when it's been three weeks since the last time you touched it and you only played for an hour and forget the tutorial, it can be a little bit daunting.

[Linus Sebastian]

It can be a pain.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's what jumped in my head. I.

[Dan]

Not nano. You're not a Nano guy, are you? Just also really like, that almost feels.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like the morind thing to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Slower rts.

[Linus Sebastian]

See, like. No. Definitely an enjoyer, but I don't think it identifies.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Supreme Commander is the only game I ever got into. Into. Into. And I would say that it and Anno have in common the sort of economic element that makes both of those games a little bit niche. Man, that's tough. I. I have yours, though. Slay the spire. For sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, probably.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think if there was a game that Luke is like a deck building kind of guy. Yeah. Yeah. He's. He's. He's. He's a min. Maxer player. And so. So like you're. You're easier, though. Whereas I feel like my taste in games is kind of like my taste in music. It's just eclectic.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's one of the reasons why Psychonauts popped in my head.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sure. Yeah. You know what? I would accept either of those answers because I truthfully could not come up with something for myself.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think about Anno the. The better it is, but it's missing something for me. I don't know what.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know what either.

[Linus Sebastian]

Not that Psychonauts is perfect, like you said. I think yours is a little hard to place.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I mean, actually I shouldn't say the only game I ever got into into was Supreme Commander because I was really into Left 4 Dead and played a ton of, like, Team Fortress 2 back in the day as well. I'd say. I'd say if there was some w. If I could distill it down into. If we could find the game that was like the ultimate 4v4. Like, I like small team versus is like my favorite thing, which is.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. Of tape to tape.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's why I like Left 4 Dead.

[Linus Sebastian]

But I don't think it's tape to tape.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I don't think it's tape to tape. Just what I'm super into right now. Okay, Dan. Okay, hold on. First, Luke, what do you think Dan's is.

[Linus Sebastian]

This might be too easy, but, like, my answer might be almost too generic, which might make it incorrect.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hold on. I'm going to write mine first. Hold on, hold on. So that I can prove.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because I feel like we're going to say the same thing.

[Linus Sebastian]

We might.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Factorio.

[Dan]

Yeah, I'd probably say that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Dan was too easy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

I figured it would be easy. But I mean, like, some of them are.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Are crazy.

[Dan]

Like, if I had to pigeonhole myself like that, then probably.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

What's cool about Factorio is there's not.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's one game, but it's also like you can kind of decide how to play it. Like I could. It's.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's like that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's like if you're. It's like if you were a roller coaster tycoon.

[Linus Sebastian]

Have I told you why I've never played Factorio?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because you think you'd get way too.

[Linus Sebastian]

Into it Scares me.

[Dan]

It should scare you.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's why I never. That's why I never subscribed to wow. Yeah. I bought the box and I played my free month and a. I'm the cheapest you'll ever know. And the idea of subscribing to a game was just. I. I decided then and there when in. When I was a teenager that I would never do it and I never have. So that was part of it. And the other part was that that month is completely lost to my memory. All I did is play as mage nasalia and light things on fire, and nothing else existed in my life.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know like how a civ has one more turn.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. Factorio has. Oh, I just got to fix this one thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, that's the anno problem. Did you ever play Anno?

[Dan]

Yeah, I had to stop yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did you ever get the prompt that tells you you've been playing for eight hours or whatever? That's as high as it goes. Don't ask me how I know.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. I have moments like that. I've had to like, uninstall factorio before just because it's so enthralling.

[Linus Sebastian]

I beat.

[Dan]

I beat Space Age and I lost the achievement by four hours. There's an achievement for beating it in one under 100 hours and I got 104 hours, which is pretty good. Which is pretty good.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's a rough achievement to have to try to redo. Yeah.

[Dan]

The original game, they had one as an achievement for beating it with an eight, but most people either never finish it or take hundreds of hours to be able to finish it.

[Linus Sebastian]

I will say I really like Anno. I feel like if I never played it with you, I would play it more.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Really? That's an interesting take. Okay, hit me with that.

[Linus Sebastian]

I like co op Anno so significantly more than I like Single player Anno. That single Player Anno just like. It's still enjoyable.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, well, it's comparison is the thief of joy.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Like, I. I know that I would love that game if I had first played it just by myself, but it's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A sick hangout game.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because you're like dialed, but also something.

[Linus Sebastian]

But you could have a conversation.

[Luke Lafreniere]

You can totally chat.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep, yep. 100%.

[Linus Sebastian]

We played inscription. Yeah. It's fantastic. It's a really, really good game. Everything from that person, I don't remember their name, but everybody that, that, that person or that company or whatever it is that has made those games. I think it's like pony whatever and Inscription and yada yada. They're all great. I love all of them.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Ars Technica reports that robots can lie now. OpenAI's new ChatGPT agent proved it can click through Cloudflare's anti bot verification on Friday. ChatGPT agent can perform multi step tasks for users and. And it explained, this step is necessary to prove I'm not a bot. As it clicked through the bot screening step, I just wanted to throw that in there. It's part of our just like AI roundup for this week. This is another one. Showrunner lets you use AI to make your own TV shows. And I am terrified.

[Linus Sebastian]

Are there some rough ones?

[Luke Lafreniere]

The source is Business Insider. It's paywalled, so we'll just kind of give you guys the high level stuff. Stuff. But after securing funding from Amazon's Alexa fund, Fable Studio has Launched Showrunner xyz which allows subscribers to create their own animated shows or to build on others existing IP by inserting themselves as characters or adding scenes.

[Linus Sebastian]

Weird how many people on this front screen are recognizable.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Showrunner has at least one studio on board and claims to be in total talks with Disney.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Said their CEO Edward Sacchi. If you're saying to yourself that sounds really stupid, you're not alone. Maybe nobody wants this and it won't work. Okay, so I watched. I think I was looking at the pilot of Exit Valley. So that's the one on the top left.

[Linus Sebastian]

I. I don't think this is not clickable.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, okay. How did I, how did I find that then.

[Linus Sebastian]

The prize. These, these all give me like one of the problem with these is like these all give me very strong vibes of shows that have or did exist.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Which is the whole problem.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Here we go. So here. Yeah, here it is. Okay, so here. I think this is the one. I think this is the. Yeah. Episode zero meet Showrunner. It's not funny. Oh, is my audio on? Okay. I turned it off. Yeah, it's. It's not funny. The animation is not good. Yeah, I got through about two minutes of it before I just kind of couldn't take it anymore. And terrifyingly, people are going to watch the oh yeah. Out of this dude.

[Linus Sebastian]

People's like, people's show watching habits are rough. It's all just like the, the lowest level slope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And look, I'm not judging. I watch, I watch. Just turn my brain off. Tv.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is often its purpose.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, I've get it. I, I've. I think I've. I've talked before about how I'll usually have a show that is like my Go to Sleep show.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Over the years my. And, and I will literally have episodes of my Go to Sleep show that I have. I won't say watched because typically I've only listened to them a lot of the time. But I'll have episodes of my Go to Sleep show that I have literally listened to in some cases 25, 30, 50 times. So my go to sleep shows over the years have been like Adventure Time, Rick and Morty. Right Now I'm finding 1987 DuckTales is an amazing balance of. Because what I need is something that grabs enough of my attention that I can't think about anything else, but is not so interesting that it will keep me awake.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I mean that makes sense.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can't sleep to Futurama. Futurama has never been A sleep show for me, although I love Futurama.

[Linus Sebastian]

And many years ago, there was a period of time where I was having a really, really, really hard time falling asleep. And I didn't want to ruin that, like, album that I listened to in, like, emergency cases to fall asleep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I was taking a page out of your book and re listening to Star wars audiobooks.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, interesting.

[Linus Sebastian]

And that worked for me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. I find that it's less important exactly what it is. Oh, Bob's Burgers was another big one for me. It's less important, like, what it is. And it's more important that you already know what happens.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And so you're not invested.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's not particularly interesting anymore. It's interesting enough that, like, you'll pay some amount of attention to it, but it's not interesting enough that you're super invested in what's happening next and, like, anticipating things or whatever else. So your. Your brain is distracted enough that it can go to sleep, but not so distracted that it wants to stay up.

[Luke Lafreniere]

So this is not going to work for me. It is boring. So there's that. But I think it's too boring from what I've seen so far, for other people as well. For. No, no. It's too boring for me to.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, gotcha.

[Luke Lafreniere]

For me to focus on it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Enough. So. So I have not been able to find a purpose for any of the. Any for the one little bit of generated content that I've seen from Showrunner so far. But I am fearful that we're just going to completely skip the step where AI replaces writers and, you know, real actors and producers actually create the content still. And we're going to go straight to. AI just generates the entire finished product and people lap it up from a slot bucket.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, wait.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Waiting like the Philistines that they are.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is going to be actually very difficult. We had a. We had a situation. I was at a family gathering for Emma the other day, and some of the kids that were there had these, like, toy things where they were, like, amorphous kind of people. Blobs. And there was magnets on the end of their, like, hands and feet.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

And you could connect them together and whatever else. And one of the kids put them up on the fridge, feet down, all leaning out, holding hands in a circle.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, that's cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

And they're. They're multicolored. And it made me think of a logo that I had sworn I had seen before.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Unicef.

[Linus Sebastian]

And I thought, unicef. So interesting. Okay, maybe that's what it is, I don't know, but either way, I was trying to think of this logo where there was a globe in the middle and the people were standing all around it holding hands.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't think that's a logo. I just think that's a thing that's been done a lot of times. Like my grade 7 class sweatshirt had us all standing around the globe.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure. Yeah. But I was trying to think of this thing and then I mentioned the concept to a bunch of people in the room and they're like, oh, yeah. And a couple people said unicef, which I thought was interesting. But then the UNICEF logo doesn't look like that at all. But either way. So we were trying to look it up online and whether it exists or not or whether it's just a commonly used thing, like you were saying, all we could get was just AI slop output of like, here's the logo you're looking for. Here's this generated thing. It was like, very difficult. Hands Across America. It's not Hands Across America. As a Canadian, I had never seen the Hands Across America logo. I found it when we were trying to find this. It was definitely not that that I'm thinking of, but all we could find. Yeah. Was generated images. And I was like, man, that was honestly spooky for me because stuff like this, this shown arter thing, like the ability to just mass output garbage, the signal to noise, is going to be really brutal on actual real information.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. Hey, want to play a garbage game?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't technically know that it's bad, but this was. This was created in response to. This was created in response to our T shirt launch from. Was it last week or the week before the. The cute little bread source T shirt. Hey, Dan, can you point your camera at it just for. Yeah, just. It's right behind Dan. Over your left shoulder. Yeah, there it is. Look how cute it is. Barely see it from there. That's the one with the cute little heart and the bread source. And Luke was like, yeah, this would be a cooler shirt even if there was a. If it was a character from a game. So. So yeah, Levios 3114 made a game Iosa. Sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Kidding, kidding.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, so W is up, S is down. You're already getting ahead of me. I haven't even tried it yet.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm just messing around.

[Luke Lafreniere]

E is interact and then arrow up and down to retract neck.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

If you retract neck is going to be an actual mechanism in the game.

[Dan]

Oh, it's made in Godot. Hell yeah. Let's go.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I like that part.

[Dan]

It's the best part.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, wait, there's an up thing. Okay. There doesn't appear to be any reason to have the neck ever smaller, so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Or bigger.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, well, that was a problem. So what is the purpose of the game exactly?

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I see a counter going up when I collect objects.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Although spikes don't seem to actually kill you. Okay. So that's something. You could avoid them for fun. These are just upside down spikes. Is this water? I am underwater. Look at me being underwater. Okay, so they never said that. It was a good game. Okay, so the neck. Yeah, the neck goes up. Okay, my neck was no longer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Does the neck going up do anything?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe I'll eat these leaves.

[Linus Sebastian]

Nope, I tried to eat the leaves.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The spikes don't do anything. So that's something. I have 10 objects, though, so that's something as well. I'm gonna go this way. Oh, I'm gonna find lots of. I'm gonna find all the objects. Oh, I have 43 objects. Nice. Go, Linus. Oh, I'm home. Oh, okay. Maybe my neck will be. I will go off the cliff at my home. All right. Well, there you go. You got your wish loop.

[Linus Sebastian]

Heck yeah. How many objects did you get?

[Luke Lafreniere]

43.

[Linus Sebastian]

43.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, nice. Good job. You succeeded.

[Linus Sebastian]

I got so many objects, dude.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. But I finished. I got home first, though, so.

[Linus Sebastian]

Is there.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nope. No. Oh, wait, there's. Oh, no, wait. Press E. There you go. I forgot about Interact.

[Linus Sebastian]

Hey, it's. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice, nice, nice, nice. So that's the thing that happened, Red. Source the game.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, I don't really win. He told me how to win. It doesn't really count.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The Internet Archive is now a US Federal Depository library.

[Linus Sebastian]

Let's go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

In a nutshell, that means it joins a network of more than 1100 libraries that archive government documents and makes them available to the public. This does not mean the government gets any control over the archive. This is particularly important today because of all the things that the government is disappearing in the United States of America. Recognition as a library may also help the archive in ongoing copyright conflicts, as some opponents claim the archive is an unlicensed digital copywriting and distribution business rather than a library. Our discussion question is, do you think the Internet Archive is a library? Why or why not? I do think it's a library.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, me too.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool. That was a quick conversation. Also this.

[Linus Sebastian]

It said, why or why not?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Damned AI stealing our credits. So our source is Emily Seddon, who I was talking about how one of the reasons that PSU circuit is as sort of formulaic as it is is because we are leaning on automated tools for editing. But I got this message from Emily Seddin from our editing team. She's one of our supervisors who said, hey, Lucas from the lab and I were talking about the WAN show clip about AI and PSU circuit and thought it'd be good to kind of clarify. The current process for making a whole PSU circuit is not what you conceptualized and stated was the goal and we're told was how it worked. We realized it wasn't really feasible when it came to editing and making actually watchable content. So we want to reduce some confusion to those outside the process and hopefully to the audience as well. Because the post production process is in no way automated or AI. I am the one solely responsible for editing every PSU circuit, which includes generating the AI voiceover, curating and placing the B roll footage, inputting and lining up the on screen graphics, adjusting the timing, updating credits, exporting and implementing review fixes. There really isn't a way to automate this yet the way that people think. We tried it and it caused more issues and time delays than it was worth. There is a template that I made for Premiere, but in terms of putting everything together and making presentable, it's all human. The AI just isn't quite there yet. Not even for the voice. I often have to regenerate each variable line at least twice to get the right pronunciation and intonation. I'll link the standard operating procedure that I made for the other editors here too if you're interested in details. But I just wanted to clear that up. So yeah, it's pretty cool when I get told that a workflow is something to be clear. Not by Emily or Lucas. This was a miscommunication that happened with someone that I'm not going to name. But I was told, not you, I was told that there were a lot of automation tools that were being used and that was helping to streamline the process. And I might have made very different decisions about what the format of that content was if I'd known that it was going to be manually edited anyway. So that's interesting information that I very recently got. Thank you Emily for pointing that out. That is very good. Whenever we say something that is not actually factually that we should cry, I mean especially. Yep. Sorry that people internally raise issues and, and, and help to make sure that we're bringing you guys the most complete Information possible. If anybody had done that at any point over the last year or before when we were developing all these workflows, that would have been great. That was not Emily's job at that time to bring that up at that time. So I'm extremely grateful that she's bringing it up now. I'm just a little irritated that it took this long to make its way to me. But that was. Again, I want to emphasize this as much as I possibly can. Not Emily's fault or Lucas or other more different Lucas.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, because not gonna lie, I thought it worked the way you said.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. So we may have to reevaluate PSU circuit videos and sort of how that whole thing works, but we'll figure it out. To be clear, when I say reevaluate, I don't mean we're going to stop making them. I just mean, like, if we're just doing the work anyway, then like, maybe we should do a different flow.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, maybe.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because that was the whole idea.

[Linus Sebastian]

A lot of the point for a lot of the steps are because it was assumed that it was happening a certain way.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yes. This is why communication is key. One of our topics is the thread ripper launch. I'm just going to collapse it because I don't care anymore.

[Linus Sebastian]

At a certain point, it might literally actually just be faster to actually just have someone voice line it because if she's going to sit there and have to regen and relist all these.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But that's the thing is people didn't tell me that. So that's a problem, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Dark guy says typical out of touch SE suite. Got him. Got him. If only I had vision. Oh, we have a float plane announcement. And if you made it this far into the show, you are in for a treat because we are going to be previewing the very beginning nuts of the first part of Scrapyard War.

[Linus Sebastian]

Neither of us have seen. You haven't seen this.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I haven't seen any of it.

[Linus Sebastian]

This is crazy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I will actually be doing my like, review of the first few minutes live, which seems nuts. Which does seem nuts, actually.

[Dan]

You've got some audio playing from your laptop right now. You just want to try and stop that before we start playing links.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

Apparently my last name is spelled wrong in the preview. That's really funny.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, really? No way.

[Linus Sebastian]

Said that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No way. So I wanna. I wanna. I wanna talk through. I wanna talk through this first and then we're gonna check it out. So a lot of people praised the intro animation and Hoffman Wong, the lead editor for Scrapyard wars this year, wanted to highlight Robert from our team. Who is he? The youngest person we have on staff. I don't even know. He's born past 2000, which is wild to me.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think we have a few of those.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, he spent a lot of time on every animation slash graphic in the series. Watch video. Q. Dan, do you know about this? That is so cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Does it actually sound like that? Okay.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, cool. Well, it won't look like that in the actual video or look like that, but it won't sound like that. Super cool.

[Dan]

You guys might be the only one.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Who heard it like that from Hoffman. Robert has been picking up a lot of motion graphics tasks in the Barbershop, the editing den. In the process of leveling up his after effects skills, he's learned how to rig characters and use those new skills to create an impressive intro for this year's Scrap Yours. That was my first preview of it. I haven't seen any of this yet.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Scrapyard wars comes out next Friday early for float playing audience members. So be sure to subscribe to get early access and extras for each episode. There's a lot of content and not all of it can make the YouTube cut. While you're there, check out the one year anniversary of wise Wan late, which was why I was wearing the hat during the pre show.

[Dan]

How many times have you lost now?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Don't worry about it. And you can also check out Alex Dick's meet the team, which if you want to apply to be one of our logistics people, we are hiring. He would. He's going to lay out what he looks for and he's the. The manager for that department, I believe. Supervisor. The manager, Alex Dick.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's also a lot of other roles up. Check it out.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh yeah, here.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's so many.

[Dan]

Oh yeah, we've got lots.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's a lot.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Recession. What? Recession?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, hiring.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's go boys. Okay, you ready? Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

I. So I think at the time of filming the. What I'm assuming is going to be the first thing in here. I had been awake for at that point in time. I think it's 25 hours.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I'm just. I'm just putting that out there. Okay. Because I skipped forward and saw a couple frames and.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, I look pretty bad.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like death.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

All right.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right. This is it. So this is. This is frame IO So we use this to like leave comments and stuff on not yet finished videos.

[Linus Sebastian]

Those ballers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, we ready?

[Linus Sebastian]

Mm. Do I get to Hear it? Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I can't hear.

[Linus Sebastian]

I can't hear.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Oh, you stopped it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Well, yeah, yeah, I couldn't hear it at any point.

[Dan]

We'll play it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is going to be the biggest. Oh, it sounds so bad.

[Dan]

It's going to sound like that for you, I think, unfortunately.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, okay. But they're fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, as long as they're fine.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, if they're fine, I'm fine.

[Dan]

Let me. Let me monitor that. One sec. Yeah, play it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is going to be the biggest. Okay, so they're good.

[Dan]

I'm just checking now. Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

If they're good, I'm good. They say it seemed fine. If they weren't all complaining, then it's probably fine.

[Linus Sebastian]

They would be complaining immediately.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. All right, here we go. You ready? I hate to do this to us, but, Dan, can you turn up our gain a little bit because I can, like, barely hear it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is going to be the biggest scrap yard board ever. See, normally we build a PC, but this time we build a PC and we transform a completely empty room into an epic gaming movie watching Paradise. Our budget, 1400 US dollars.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's gonna be easy. That's a lot of money.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, it sounds like a lot of money until you realize that our judges will be evaluating more than just how many FPS we get. They're gonna be looking at the gaming experience, the movie experience, and yes, even the vibes. Meaning if we fall short in any key area, display, acoustics, or even decor, that's the gg.

[Linus Sebastian]

Although the scope is bigger than ever, the rules are mostly the same. No using our influence or connections for deals. We're only allowed to message and pick up items during the agreed upon hours. And we can only use parts and peripherals that we buy using our budget.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Let's check out these rooms. This really isn't much to work with, is it?

[Linus Sebastian]

No, it's very small.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And for decor.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dude, it's going to be a good season.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Awesome.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's going to be a great season.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm already just like. We're a minute in and I feel like so much has happened.

[Linus Sebastian]

The before and after of these rooms are wild.

[Luke Lafreniere]

No spoilers. No spoilers.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm not. I know. I just. Having seen. I. Having seen the. The blank room, it's just. It's. It's kind of stunning to me. It's. It's gonna be a great season.

[Dan]

Don't go past five minutes. Don't do it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, yeah, that's a problem. Might want to take that down.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep. Can you Deal with that, Dan.

[Linus Sebastian]

Uh huh.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Thanks. Good chat. I think that's as much as we're gonna watch for now. But next week, Friday, the first episode will be up and on float plane and you get early access. So now's a perfect time to subscribe to Floatplane at lmg gg. Slash floatplane. Hey Luke, what's up? Oh wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Willing Spy said do the intro. He worked so hard. Okay, you know what? Let's do the intro. Okay, so here's the. Here's the coin flip, which is sort of a random coin flip. It was more of a metal flip to our sponsor. How does the draft work? Is it him? Me. Me.

[Linus Sebastian]

That's pretty awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not gonna lie.

[Linus Sebastian]

That is pretty awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's pretty sick. Yeah, that's pretty sick. I actually love the aesthetic. It has a very like, like early 2000s newgrounds, almost kind of like.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

But then I. I like the really flat kind of. It reminds me of like material design. Like, dude, I don't think that I could be more excited for this season.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I think this has serious potential to be the best one. Oh, dude, it always, it always like, you never really know until you see the edits.

[Luke Lafreniere]

100.

[Linus Sebastian]

I think it's got potential for sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

100%. I'm. I'm super excited. Yeah. Wow. Is that it for topics today? There was the time I was in a movie.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, let's talk about that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Well, I don't know how much I want to talk about that because I was actually kind of thinking maybe I'd like make a video about that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Was something.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was, it was. So, I mean we could, we could recognize it but not talk about it too much.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because people did point it out on the subreddit. So there was, there was a subreddit post. I guess we can leave. We can, we can basically just point.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Out that I'm trying to find it. Crying out loud, why is the search so bad? Hello? Like, this is ridiculous. I can. Oh, here it is. Here it is. Here it is. Why is it at the bottom? Okay, well, anyway, check this out. Check this out. Higher billing, the nice cube. Who's on the poster? That's an error. So here's the thing. Remember when, like a billion years ago, I alluded to being in a movie that was like in post production and then just like, nothing ever sort of came of it? This is that movie. Except for one small problem. A week before the movie came out, I got an email informing me that I am no longer in It. Which made it all the more awkward when it came out and I was listed as a supporting actor in the credits.

[Linus Sebastian]

What is it called, though? War of Worlds.

[Luke Lafreniere]

War of the Worlds.

[Linus Sebastian]

War of the Worlds.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah. It's like kind of. Well, I don't actually know exactly what it is anymore because it was something. And then obviously, whatever lines I read, unless I. It's possible I was simply recast. That's entirely possible. It's also possible that whatever lines I had are no longer in the movie, which I think. Oh, yeah, you. You were. You read.

[Linus Sebastian]

There's a lot we could say.

[Luke Lafreniere]

There's. Okay, so that's the thing. I have to figure out what we can say.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Because the thing is, like, I'm not. I'm not looking to. I don't want to get anybody into trouble. Like, on the one hand, like, I think that, you know, there's. There's the. There's. There's a bit of a gulf between what you, like, technically are allowed to say and what you're probably allowed to say. And I'm gonna figure out how to get as close to here as we can. And it should be. It should be. It should be pretty. It should be pretty. Okay. There are definitely going to be some things that we can't talk about, but some of the stuff should be. Should be fine. Like the fact that we were asked to do some, like, kind of technical advisory work to. To help make sure that, like, you know, anything to do with hacking or whatever else wasn't too, you know, outlandish. What I will say, though, is that whatever advice we provided, I have not seen the movie. I want to make that abundantly clear right now. So anything I'm saying comes from a place of. I have not seen this movie. Whatever advice we provided, whatever lines I read clearly didn't happen. So if you guys see anything in this movie, we didn't know about it, we didn't see it, we didn't advise on it. At some point, I think I asked them to take me out of the credits as, like, a technical advisor because they wouldn't. Well, hold on. I don't know. Yeah, I can say what I said that I know for sure.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Any who. Yeah, so it's finally out.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm just. I'm just going to keep just getting a little bit. Oh, that's as far as I can go.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay. Well, that's not a good sign. Huh? Rest assured says you should watch it. I think I'd rather make the video before I watch it. I just Want to talk about the experience? Because whether I'm actually in the. In the finished film or not, it was a really. It was a really unique experience. It was something that I didn't do for the money. Um, like, I wasn't paid very much. Um, I just. I just did it because it was kind of something to tick off the bucket list. So even if I'm not in the final cut, I did, you know, act in a scene with Ice Cube, sort of. It was shot over. It was shot over Covid.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And. And it was. I think it was before he said a lot of the stuff that he said. So, you know.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I don't even.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I have no idea.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, Sounds good.

[Linus Sebastian]

I. I have no clue.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is, like, five years ago. Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

And, like, so, yeah, to be clear, it was Covid. So, like, I was on a webcam, he was on a webcam. You know, like, we were never in the same room, but I was technically involved in a Hollywood production. Technically. Apparently. My mic is dying.

[Linus Sebastian]

Mic is dying. Mic bad.

[Dan]

Okay, let me look at that.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Did I fix it?

[Linus Sebastian]

It sounds fine to me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm hearing your mic and it's fine. All mics. We're done with our topics.

[Dan]

There, that should be fixed.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hi.

[Linus Sebastian]

I hope.

[Luke Lafreniere]

How you doing? Nice.

[Dan]

Nice.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, let's do some merch messages. It's time for After Dark.

[Dan]

Sorry about that, guys.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Sorry, everyone.

[Dan]

Our sample rates got out of sync.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I hate it when that happens.

[Dan]

It is awful. That is actually the worst.

[Luke Lafreniere]

They got out of sync, and so we sunk.

[Dan]

That's why I disabled your speakers.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wait, that's why?

[Dan]

No, I just wanted to make a.

[Linus Sebastian]

Callback and go bad. Yeah, I was like, what?

[Dan]

Where's my. Where's my buttons? Now I'm all flustered. Sorry. Magenta.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice.

[Dan]

After Dark.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Nice merch messages. Nice.

[Dan]

Dear dll, I'm curious how your team navigates balancing the most fun, outlandish ideas while still keeping. Keeping videos reasonable and cost effective to produce.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Me too. It's tough. I mean, I think we. I think we bring both perspectives to the table right through the. The. The team of people that are responsible for bringing these things to life. Like, the writers meeting is full of all kinds of wacky, zany ideas, and obviously it has to be grounded in the reality of actually producing this stuff on a budget that we can afford. Sometimes we do make loss leader content that is just designed from the ground up, knowing that we're gonna lose money on it just because we wanted to do something cool. Whether that's because we just wanted to. Because it was fun. Or whether that's because we think it's a prestige piece for the channel or whether. I mean, really those are. Those are the only two main reasons. Or if we think it could be an investment in people being really interested in that content in the future. I don't think we've really ever done anything like that, though. And then, yeah, the keeping things cost effective just comes down to that. We've always, from day one, tried to run this as a sustainable business that doesn't need to take outside capital from investors or private equity.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sometimes even things that you might expect will end up being a loss. On the content creation side. Sometimes the video will just slap.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, we've gotten lucky before.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like building that PC in that tech mall all that time ago. I didn't think.

[Linus Sebastian]

Of course you'd think that would be a loss.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I didn't think that was going to perform the way it did.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then it just was a banger. Went super hard.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yep.

[Linus Sebastian]

And it's great. Sometimes the things that the audience might expect would be a loss. Like we might not because there was a plan.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We knew we were going to make money on the fire truck. April Fools.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yep. But then that's not necessarily the goal. Every April Fool. April Fools. No, it wasn't with the house.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The office. Move one to the house. We lost Flip ton of money on.

[Linus Sebastian]

That thing I showed you that Jaden's working on. Cost us like, very little. I think it would be really cool if we did a synchronized thing. It doesn't necessarily have to be with ltt. I'm sure you guys have your own idea, but I'd love to do a synchronized thing with the store. I think that'll be really cool because the.

[Luke Lafreniere]

The vibes are immaculate.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, goodness. Yeah. I think doing a synchronized thing with the store would be awesome. More.

[Luke Lafreniere]

More.

[Dan]

I saw the Fairphone 6 Gen 6 video today and I was wondering if you had any comments on the less exciting launch of it in the US namely only having the googled version officially and $900.

[Luke Lafreniere]

This is actually the first time hearing of that, which is a little frustrating given that I did shoot my short circuit of it. Oh, it's up. It went up this morning. Okay. Hopefully nobody's mad about the fact that I'm not talking about that. I hate their naming scheme, by the way. It's called Fairphone Gen 6. So we went Fairphone Fairphone 2, Fairphone 3, Fairphone 4, Fairphone 5, Fairphone Gen 6. That needs to stop that, the entire industry needs to get together and say, hey, so this is really stupid. Can we all not do this anymore at all? And then everyone needs to go, yeah, right. What was up with that? And then that would be super cool other than that. But it seems like a much more competent daily driver device with the same great benefits of fairphone like the long software support as well as the use of hopefully less harmful materials. The software support one though is becoming less of an issue now that so many of the major handset makers are committing to supporting their devices for six, seven years even. Yeah, sorry, I just. I don't know much about the less exciting US launch. First I'm hearing of it.

[Dan]

I have a Steam Deck and an OG Rog Ally that has stopped working. Should I get an ally or an Ally X now? Or do you think the price and performance of the Xbox Rog Ally is worth the wait? Or Legion Go. Lol.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I don't know. I don't know exactly how it's going to shake out. What I suspect is that it's going to be a very substantial performance upgrade and also a substantial performance per watt upgrade. But I've only been hands on with the hardware for like three minutes playing a game.

[Linus Sebastian]

To me it's very interesting. Custom version of Windows.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, it's intriguing. Very intriguing.

[Linus Sebastian]

That might be a reason for you to buy. That might be a reason for you to not buy.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'd say the biggest reason for me to wait right now would be that we're clearly on the precipice of a real next gen in mobile PC hardware. And either the ROG Ally X2, whatever they're calling it, is going to be like the one, if you can, if you want to pony up for it or what I'm kind of hoping for is that we'll see a second gen Steam deck to go to go toe to toe with it. That's sort of, that's sort of what I'm hoping for because Valve has never said, oh yeah, we're not going to do another Steam Deck. What they've said is we're not going to do it until there's a clear generational leap in performance. And I feel like we're getting there. I feel like we're getting real close. I saw this really interesting article talking about how the PC handheld makers are. They're missing the point by having these like really expensive handheld gaming PCs, but I feel like they were asking for something that's just not realistic. They were like, yeah, they missed Valve's Point the leadership Valve was trying to take with the affordable price and it's like. Yeah, but like, Valve can only do that because they're subsidizing it with the 30% they take on Steam. Aya Neo doesn't have Steam. Yeah, they have to make on the hardware what Valve expects to make over the entire lifetime of that device being deployed.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, I can read the next one. It's for me.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I'll read it then.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sure.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Hey, Luke, I convinced work to send me to DEF con. Any tips for a first time attendee? Also, what villages are you most interested in?

[Linus Sebastian]

First off, congratulations on convincing your work to send you to defcon. I am not sure how you did that as someone who has been there before, but. Nice. Sorry if your boss is watching, there's like a much more business focused con that happens like right there at like almost the same time called Black Hat. But DEFCON is cool. You'll have a good time. What villages are you most interested in? Last time I hit the show floor for like 20 minutes and then went to a hotel room and worked on puzzles until the last hour of the show. Multiple days later, I did not clarify.

[Dan]

What the puzzles are.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We didn't pay for your trip, did we?

[Linus Sebastian]

No.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. No, not at all. I took time off.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Carry on.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah. I did not think at all that I could make a business case. For me going down there and given what I did the whole time, I was right. They might have a different experience. Security researchers can totally pull it off. Yeah, the saying pull it off in that sentence doesn't make it sound a ton more legit. There are panels and stuff that are really cool. I have panels like on my nas from pre YouTube DEFCON that were like security based stuff that I thought was super interesting. So I was interested in getting into the field. Like it's a thing. I think most of the show is like fun and interesting stuff and like, there's definitely some learning things. Like there's the lock picking village you can go to and there's like, I thought it was kind of cool that they brought an actual like fence and the fence just had a whole bunch of different types of locks on it and you could sit there and practice with different lock picks and stuff. That was pretty neat, but yeah. Any tips for first time attendee? No, because I was in the building for like two total hours. So sorry, I can't really say a ton. I had a blast. It was really fun. It was really cool working with all the different people on the team that I was on and trying to compete with other people and do all that kind of stuff is a really cool experience. And it is a legitimate DEFCON experience because during DEFCON there are all these like puzzle cracking, CTF type of things going on and some of them you don't have to be on the show floor for. By the time I actually started doing the puzzles, a lot of people had gotten the things that you needed to get from the show floor itself already. There was a. There was an element of that, but by the time I started that was already done. So we just, yeah, sat in the hotel room on laptops and worked. But yeah, I would recommend. At least I'm going to recommend something I didn't do but I had planned to do sample all the different areas, go hang out for like half an hour in each little area. Don't get. Don't get. Don't do what I did and get too obsessed with like one thing.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Dakya says don't use random USB cables. Good advice.

[Linus Sebastian]

Don't use random anything while you're there. Although I did. I purposely brought an old Pixel phone that had been left in a box not updated for a long time and refused updates and went there with an old not secured Pixel phone and jumped on every single open WI FI network I possibly could the whole time I was there hoping that I would get intruded on. Never happened.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, I'm surprised actually.

[Linus Sebastian]

Me too. It's interesting. Someone else at Theo was also doing the same thing. We both came with the same idea but didn't tell each other and he also didn't have anything happen.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wow. No pwnage.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was interesting.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm not expecting someone to drop a zero day on like my random phone, but it wouldn't have been a zero day. This was an ancient like multi year, no updates Android phone.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Maybe you just seemed too juicy and too obvious like you were asking for it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, hit me.

[Dan]

Dan, Hi Luck and Danana. I made the geared maker chip at Open Sauce.

[Linus Sebastian]

That was cool.

[Dan]

Did you read this? No, I can't remember. Can you talk a little about about your experience and favorite booths? I loved the NASA booth.

[Linus Sebastian]

Dan also went. I'm also interested in Dan's thoughts on this. The geared maker chip was cool. I saw a few of those. Can you talk a little about your experience in your favorite booths? I didn't see a huge amount of booths. I did go out of my way to make sure I went through the amateur rocketry section. That was really cool seeing a bunch of like the school teams. There was a kid there who had done a bunch of work making his own carbon fiber rockets and, like, talking about the work that went into that and stuff. And I got to chat with him for a while, which was awesome.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's super cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

I got a demo from one of the teams that was an individual. I got a demo from one of the teams on how they were working their. What was it, their fuel injectors and how they were bringing the cost down for. For it and the machining that goes into that and the trial and error that goes into that and all that kind of stuff. Really, really cool section. I was happy. I went to go through that. That was probably my favorite section in terms of interest. I thought the most fun part was probably 4D counter strike. Someone 4D.

[Dan]

Someone brought fun watching you fiddle around with that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, someone brought. It's very similar to the punishment thing that you guys did for Ludwig, where There was a 1v1 setup of counter strike. And I played against Tynan and they had it so that all of the throwables. So the frag grenade, the incendiary, the smoke and the decoy. I think the decoy did something. I don't remember. Like, if you. If you threw a smoke grenade and then stood in the smoke, there was a leaf blower right next to your head, and the leaf blower would turn on if you were in the smoke, and it would just, like blood. It's like, hard to hear. And like, actually keep your eyes open and play properly and stuff. If you stood in an incendiary, they had it work in reverse. So obviously they can't light something on fire, but they. They would spray you with water.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

There was like water guns set up if you stood in the frag. If you got hit by fragmentation from a frag nade, there was like a motor attached to your monitor, and your monitor would like. And bounce all over the place.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay.

[Linus Sebastian]

It was actually like, that's pretty cool. It's pretty sweet. It was. It was fun to engage with.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Right?

[Linus Sebastian]

It was really cool. I'm not going to necessarily say it was like the most impressive thing there. If you were going for impressiveness, there was a ton of really wild boosts. What was that printer? You're going to understand this more than me.

[Dan]

Oh, the one that went to space?

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

It's a. It's a printer that prints into goop and it rotates the vial of goop and then they shoot.

[Linus Sebastian]

It shoots ultraviolet, I think.

[Dan]

Yeah, something like that. And it solidifies it as it spins. So you can do things in zero gravity.

[Linus Sebastian]

Create a 3D object, including with, like, hollow insides.

[Dan]

Yeah, it just builds it as it rotates.

[Linus Sebastian]

So you could create like a swirling straw, Like a spiraling straw.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

And it could actually be hollow on the inside. And you can do it in zero gravity and you can do it in goop. And they didn't they make, like, glass out of it or something?

[Dan]

Yeah, glass, diamonds, all that sort of stuff.

[Linus Sebastian]

It's.

[Dan]

It's centered or something like that.

[Linus Sebastian]

Wild. What is it actually? Do you remember what it's called?

[Dan]

No, I do not. But they did the thinking man. So, like, thinking mad and tube 3D printer would probably be a good way to find out.

[Linus Sebastian]

Thinking man tube 3D printer.

[Dan]

Yeah, they actually had one of the printers there that they had sent to. To space. At least I think so.

[Linus Sebastian]

I don't know if we're gonna be able to find this very easily, but it was. It was really, really cool. Very, very impressive. Was it by Made in Space? I'm not sure. Maybe. I don't know. But it was awesome. It was very cool to see. And there was a lot of other really impressive things as well. But I didn't see, like, all of the booths, so I'm sure there was really cool stuff that I didn't get to see.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

But it was great. Yeah, that printer was quite a thing to behold.

[Dan]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Linus Sebastian]

Just literally just watching it happen was fascinating.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah. It happens in. In real time. You see it spin and then this object just slowly.

[Linus Sebastian]

And you can just see. You can see it's just goop. And there's clearly light on the goop. And then you start to see, like, a shadow of the thing almost. I don't really know how to describe.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's like a little tiny ghost of it appears inside and it just gets more.

[Linus Sebastian]

And then it starts becoming more and more real. It's. It's weird. It's cool, but it's weird. And it's because as it rotates, the, like, video that they're playing, essentially, that's what's being projected on.

[Dan]

So, you know, our CT scanner, how that looks like it's pictures that then get recombined into a full image. It's like the reverse of that. Like, you play it a CT scanner video and then the projector onto the gel surface.

[Linus Sebastian]

And because of the video playing, exposure to that light concentrated on certain points as it's spinning and changing.

[Dan]

Axial lithography.

[Luke Lafreniere]

A what now?

[Dan]

Computed axial lithography. UC Berkeley Open Cal. There's also a GitHub repository as well. Open Cal. It's open source layerless 3D printing, which is pretty sick.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So computed axial lithography. There's a 3D printing nerd video on it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I'm looking at it right now.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Good luck. Have fun.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, cool.

[Linus Sebastian]

Yeah, this was nuts.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Wanna hit me with another one? Sure.

[Dan]

Linus says he loves eating cereal for breakfast, but is cereal if cereal is not available? What other breakfast foods do you like? Mine is eggs Benedict with pulled pork, sauteed green peppers and home fries.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Not a big eggs guy, which makes it really tough, I guess. I like me a breakfast burrito is what I'll go for. And I know they always have eggs in them, but I guess the. The burrito makes it palatable for me. I also would never say no to a Belgian waffle with like fruit sauce on it. Or ideally fresh fruit and whipped cream.

[Linus Sebastian]

I'm not really a breakfast guy, honestly. The place where I eat breakfast most consistently is Taiwan. And it's because I'll go to like a family mart or a 711 and get a banana. And they have a name, but I. I just lovingly call them the triangles, but I always forget what they're actually called.

[Dan]

Onigiri.

[Linus Sebastian]

Maybe that's it. But it's a triangle of. Of seaweed with rice in the inside and then some like meat or something else on the. On the inside of that. And you have to. You peel the plastic on the outside, you pull the plastic off and that allows the seaweed and the rice to touch to each other so the seaweed stays fresh while it's in the package. Musubi. Musubu. Musube. I don't think I've heard it called that before.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think I just ate soup dumplings for breakfast this year. That's not really breakfast, but not really. I'll do it.

[Linus Sebastian]

Sounds awesome. Let me see.

[Luke Lafreniere]

All right, hit me.

[Dan]

Last one I got for you tonight. With Google having AI overviews that divert traffic away from sites where the info comes from, but still links there, how does that compare to Wikipedia compiling info on a page with links to sources?

[Luke Lafreniere]

So I think the difference is that Wikipedia is not compiling info on a page. They are using the page as a source. But Wikipedia is compiling information on a subject, whereas the AI overview, a lot of the time it'll reference multiple sources in like a bibliography. But looking at the copy of the AI overview versus the page that it is taking it from, a lot of the time there is enough verbatim there that I think there's far less of a. Of an argument to be made that, that it's like a, like a fair use, sort of transformative use of it. There's also the fact that Wikipedia is happening by hand and AI is automated. This actually reminds me a lot of the, the argument that people made back when, during the whole like, ad block piracy thing, where they'd go, well, Linus, is it piracy to get up and walk away from your computer? Qed well, no, it's the automation that makes it a circumvention mechanism. It's not the mere fact that you didn't consume the advertisement. So the fact that it's highly automated, happening at scale, and seemingly just ripping the content right off the page in a lot of cases, that to me makes it less defensible.

[Linus Sebastian]

Even just for you as a user. I would hazard against using them not even for any moral reason or whatever else, but just because, dude, they are so often wrong. Those, those summary things I have found to be even higher error rate than standard chats.

[Luke Lafreniere]

We had an applicant for our writing position that we were interviewing earlier this week week. And he was talking about our ME discussing the inaccuracy and how often the chatbot lied to me. And he asked it something as simple as like, when did, when did this model of Ford vehicle get power Windows? And it was wrong. Like three times. And like, he knew the answer, so he was like, no. And it's like, oh, you're right. I just extrapolated based on that. That was the first year that this other Ford vehicle got power Windows. He's like, no, you're actually not right about that either. Oh yeah, you're right.

[Linus Sebastian]

I.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It's like, yeah, they just, they just wrong a lot.

[Linus Sebastian]

Oh, I really, I really want to fit this whole. I'm sure it's findable. I really want to figure out what the metric is when people say It's. It's correct 90% of the time.

[Luke Lafreniere]

I mean, the grammar is usually pretty.

[Linus Sebastian]

But that's what I mean. Like, does that, does that count?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Does that count? I don't know. Like, do these words form a coherent sentence? Even. Even if the meaning of it is completely inaccurate?

[Linus Sebastian]

If there's one small thing that's incorrect in a response that it gives, does that mean that the entire response is incorrect? Or because the overall response was mostly right, is that counted as correct? Like, where are the lines on this?

[Luke Lafreniere]

I think it's wrong.

[Linus Sebastian]

I agree.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Like, okay, where's the.

[Linus Sebastian]

Because I do not run into 90% of the time, it's perfect. That is not reflective of my experience with it.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Okay, so back when I was researching the gamer plane, my son was trying to figure out if it could fly somewhere. You remember the one I was talking about, right? My son was trying to figure out if it could fly somewhere non stop. And it goes, this is the range of this plane which it got right. This is the distance of this place which it got right. And the distance was greater than the range. And then it said, yes, it can fly there nonstop. So it got all, all the base facts right, but drew the wrong conclusion. It's like, well, that to me is wrong because if you don't read it carefully, then you're gonna. You're not gonna know the right answer.

[Linus Sebastian]

Interesting. I know someone who actively works in human reinforcement learning. This is from Tim0003. Sorry, 0x3. I know someone who actively works in human reinforcement learning for Gemini AI And I can tell you that there is a score based on very specific phrases in an entire response. And each response is deemed. And each response is deemed. How accurate is individually?

[Luke Lafreniere]

Yeah, so what they're saying is that example that I gave would be 66% correct.

[Linus Sebastian]

According to how the metrics, that should count as a zero.

[Luke Lafreniere]

That's a zero in my opinion as well.

[Linus Sebastian]

So I think, I think 90 is artificially inflated high.

[Luke Lafreniere]

Oh, yeah, no doubt, no doubt that. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel.

[Linus Sebastian]

Bye.

[Luke Lafreniere]

It.