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Watch what happens. Who cares what happens when there's so much happens? Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Hello and welcome to Watch what Happens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker. Joining me today is the one and only Ronnie Karam. Hi, how are you Ronnie?
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Hi, how are you man?
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Just fabulous. We're recapping next gen New York City today. Super fun episode. We may be slightly biased but it still was fun even, you know, despite any cameos that have happened on this episode, we get into it. Ronnie is going to be. He's going to be Interviewing Daisy and Hannah from below deck on a little little cruise there outside of the Bay Area out outside of San Francisco on August 23rd. So go check, check all three of them out. Go join, get, get your ticket, hop on that boat, have a great time with that. I guess you go to what Hannah or Daisy's Instagram to get those, those
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tickets there, their links in bio.
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Yeah. And then I'm going to be interview interviewing Martin Sorge who has a new cookbook out called Great Bakes. Martin also won one of the great American baking shows seasons. So I will be doing that interview that a conversation in conversation with on August 23rd same night down in Los Angeles at Friends and Family, which is in East Hollywood. And you can get those tickets by going to the to check out the website for now serving which is cookbook shop here in la. So go get your tickets. Come see us doing some fun extra extracurricular moderating activities. And speaking of moderating, here we are in an episode where we moderated something on camera. It's next gen New York City. It's the Bravo Con episode that last week was about, was all about going to BravoCon. This week is all about being at BravoCon. Ronnie, what did you think?
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Wow, I, I wasn't expecting, I wasn't. I thought they were just going to show us on the side of the building like last week and that that was going to be it. But yeah, to have whole scenes, people cling all over. I'm just kidding. We didn't have full scenes. We were in it more than I thought. I was like, whoa. I, it's, it's up seeing yourself like that because we do this on video. But I don't watch this. I don't even watch myself. While we're recording. I have my notes covering my face so I know I don't ever see myself. And I was like, oh God, no. I can't even listen to my own voicemail recording, you know, like, hi, it's Ronnie. Thanks.
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I know it's so strange seeing yourself up there. And it was funny. I mean we got full on. We've got full on Chirons. They put our names up there and everything. So that was, it was wild. I could not believe we're in it as much. Also it's so fun to see our friends on the show too. You know, they, they had a Previously on. And once again they put Lara like in like a, a mirror on a counter. She's like, this would be the time to Charlie Zakor. I was like, I love that. Lara just has this, like, line that they keep playing. And then we saw Kiki Monique. She was moderating Cecy from the Bravo docket. She pointed out that they. They showed her in the audience. It's just so fun. Like, what a fun community that we have, that we do all these wacky things. And this. I loved that this show. This episode really kind of dug into the BravoCon experience in a way that none of the other shows do. A lot of the other Bravo shows will talk about things that happen at BravoCon. Anyway, sorry, I was just interrupted briefly, but what I was just gonna say is that while many other Bravo shows, we. They. They allude to BravoCon or we'll see some clips. This is the first show I feel like, where they actually really kind of got into what it's like to actually go to Bravo Con and walk around and line up backstage and go to events and hang out in the hotel rooms and see the fans. So I loved it.
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Yeah, I did too. And I love how they just make it such a big deal for them because they're the youngest cast, and everybody else like, oh, yeah, you're a bitch at BravoCon. But for them, they're like, oh, my God, it's BravoCon. The only world. Where are we? Look at all these people. Look at all these lights. We're stars. We finally made it. You know, they're. They're coming out like they're at the Oscar awards, and it's just funny how they really elevate it in their minds. But that said, it is a super fun weekend, and it is really intense being around so many other Bravo lovers and, like, the fans dressing up as different things. Like, at one point in this episode, they had. They were talking to fans on the street who were wearing, like, pink wigs, and another lady, I think, was wearing, like, a Lisa Rinna wig, and they were talking to these kids, and they were looking at them like, what the are you guys talking about?
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Can I say something? I believe those women were at our. At our party, because I. I recognized them. Unless my brain is playing tricks on me, that scene that.
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That.
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That was shot. That was shot at the base of the staircase that went up to our party. And I. For some reason, I feel like when they came in, they're like, we just saw Gia downstairs. Like, in my mind, I'm. I have. I could be now completely fabricating it
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in order to, like, they look familiar to me too. Especially the Lisa Rinna hair lady.
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Yeah. I'm like, am I just doing this that way? I have another way to insert ourselves into this episode. Like, I'm not. It's like, not enough to physically see ourselves. I'm like, no, that was our party. That was upstairs. They were coming to our party. Those ladies were at our party. But I'm pretty sure that they were there. I seem to remember the pink wigs. I seem to remember talking with them. I seem to remember them saying that Gia was downstairs, and it was literally filmed at the base of the staircase going up to our party. So basically, what I'm trying to say is if you came to our party, you were on Next Gen, York City, everyone,
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pretty much. But, yeah, it was a really cute episode. So let's get into it. It's season two, episode eight, bravocon. Loading. It's Bravacon, day one. We're just seeing what everybody's doing in their rooms. Mira saw Dorinda in the elevator. She was in full glam. Shy has no idea where the fuck he is. He doesn't know what BravoCon is. This is what he's even doing here. I don't really believe him because I feel like Shy has done a lot of googling and Shy loves the fame.
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Yeah, there's something about this, like, the. The. The. The insistence by, like, Shai and Charlie and Liam and some others be like, I don't even know what BravoCon is. I mean, I have a general idea of what it is, but I don't, like, really know what it is. I'm like, you just. You. You voluntarily. You. You. You joined up on a reality show on Bravo, but you, like, this didn't do any sort of, like, research or consideration of what Bravo is or, I don't know, like, something else. Like, you're just trying to be too cool for school. You're like, I'm a filmmaker. I don't do these things. I'm a fashion designer. I don't do these things. It's like, you're on Bravo. You know what bravocon is.
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Yeah. You know, you've at least Googled. So then we see Ava on FaceTime with her mom, Rachel. Rachel is Becky with the good hair, right?
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I think that's what the rumor is. Yes.
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So she's on with her mom, Becky, with the good hair. And I love.
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You're like. Because she's like, look at me.
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I'm just a sweet mom. I'm like, I know what you did. Your lucky Solange isn't near.
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Meanwhile, she was the loveliest person. We met her backstage.
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She was.
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She was really lovely. But don't you?
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If you know, like, some gossip about somebody, aren't you always like.
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Well, that's what was so funny was that she introduced herself to us. She came up to us, and she's like, you guys just want to say you guys did such a wonderful job moderating. You guys are so wonderful. My name is Rachel. I'm Ava's mom. Nice to meet you. I'm like, yeah, we know who you are, Rachel. But also because she's like, a designer and she's been on Top Model and all these things. So, like, it was just funny to me. Yeah, yeah, it was just at all times. Yeah.
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So they're talking. Shy's nervous. Ava. He's asking Ava how this all works. He's like, do we have to, like, talk in front of a lot of people? And she's like, yeah, they like Paris with people. So, like, I'm glad I'm with Brooks because he's like, been to BravoCon before and like, he knows what's going on. Okay. That's assuming a lot. Talking about Brooks, that's.
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That's like saying, hey, I'm glad that I have Karen Huger as my driver because driven a car before. It's like, just because you've driven a car before does not mean that she is maybe the best one to be behind the wheel.
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Yeah. Meanwhile, Brooks is like, I think I need anti anxiety medication because my heart races when I leave my apartment to even go get coffee in the morning.
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So now we see them going around. Shai's like, I'm going to go to the convention area. And he's like, best case scenario, being more accustomed in this Bravo world. Worst case scenario is like making absolute fool of myself. Oh, my God. Oh, God. I definitely feel like I'm an imposter. And then the producer's like, have you ever had imposter syndrome before? He's like, I'm an immigrant in this country. Imposter syndrome is like my second nature. So then Shy is on like, a panel, and then. And then this. He's getting ready for it to go on a panel. And this guy Harrison, his friend, is like, telling him what his rundown is. He goes, okay, you're gonna be on with Carol, Reza Ashley, Darber Darby, and whoever Molly o' Connell is. I don't know.
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Oh, the Molly o'. Connell. Verne.
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Oh, Molly Astray.
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Out of nowhere, like, well, I've been studying these people. So we have the Bravo strike. It's like a thing. So meanwhile, George is getting her glam and Talking about them being nominated for the Bravos. And the producer says, who would be the best person to give an acceptance speech? So they all take turns being like, not me. I have anxiety.
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Like, I have too much anxiety. So of course they eventually just like, give it to Gia because she's been in the public eye before. So, like, give it to her. But I'll. But before then, Ariana is like, you know what? Gia speaks, like, very good. Lol. She speaks very good. And like, what is it? Like, what's the word you said? Riley's like, l. El. Eloquent. Yeah, eloquent.
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Like, yeah, eloquently. Sure.
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When Gia is the most eloquent person in the cast, there's an issue.
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Well, hey, listen, she's in the cast that doesn't speak good. Brooks is like, if I took a beta blocker, it would be end game. Those bitches would not be able to handle Mike. Acceptance speech. By all means, please. I would love to see if that's the case. I would love to see that version of Brooks. What if Brooks just showed up? He's like, hey, girl, what that would be.
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I don't know what I would do with myself. I'd be like, the aliens have arrived and Brooks is patient zero. He's been the first one infected by the aliens. The body snatchers are here. They've taken over his personality. This is not him.
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FX's the Shards, now streaming on Hulu. So Now I'm here FaceTiming about last night, guys. It was intense and George was like, yeah, last night was stressful because Charlie and I like, actually like face to face about it, like the first time ever. And obviously it wasn't like the most peaceful conversation.
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Amir is like, well, they tried to like, resolve the issue and like, Georgia like, very clearly did not want that. So I'm just like, tired of it. Like, they just keep bringing everyone else into their problems. And Charlie's like, yeah, I mean, like, just like awkward and uncomfortable. And then like, Amir is like, charlie, I'm like mad at you again. And I'm like mad at Georgia too. And like, I don't want to like, gag all your friends, but like, whatever.
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Yeah. So George is like, yeah, for like the sake of our sanity, we just need to like, like, just like put it to us. Okay? And friend Clark is putting on makeup. He's like, yeah, you got. It's not like you have to have a friendship again. And he starts doing his poking his nose with his, his foundation or whatever. He's like, you don't have to be friends again, but you guys, you don't have to like, rekindle, but you should, like, get it back together.
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I love affording the poking his own nose.
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It's like, yeah, you'll have to rekindle. I'm just telling myself it's really on the nose.
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I love that there's, like, this. There's, like, a little, like, cadre of gays on this show that just sort of, like, tag along with the ladies. And they're just constantly putting makeup on at all times. They're always, like, patting their face.
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Always. Yes. Austin, too. Every time they show, Austin just, like, putting on his makeup. Yeah. They're all so nice and supportive. Okay, so then we see Friday, 15am and Ava's like, is it going to be awkward? And Amira's insisting it won't. She's like. Like, this is a work thing. Whatever. So now we don't know if Charlie and Georgia are gonna be able to chat. What's gonna happen?
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Done, done, done. So Charlie's like, well, well, hopefully it'll like, shine through this time around that I'm just, like, clearly on some, like, trying to keep the peace. I was like, okay. So then Amir is like, yeah, we just, like, all need to be, like, on our best behavior. And Eva's like, are people really going to be, like, there at 9:00am like, fans, they wake up that early. I was like, oh, yeah, honey. So now, like, BravoCon craziness. And they're all. They're all going around taking photos, doing things, appearing in panels, on red carpets. And Georgia has feathers in her eyes. They're just like, this. This look. And she's like, the bird look was, like, received very well. I mean, those who got it, got it. Like, everyone's away. Hello, Charlie. I know you. I hear about your very drama. Like, what?
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Yeah, it was very Black Swan makeup. And then we cut to Rowan quietly walking around in NYC, and she sees all these clips of BravoCon on her phone, and she's like, I mean, I don't know why they're not writing me. I mean, they're having a crazy time, and they're stuck in New York. I'm just stuck in New York trying to write this script. Nobody's texting me back. It's me, Ryder Rowan. You know everything. All my best memories are put into scripts. All my work, like, what? Where is it? Where's it at? So then we see her screenplay. They're like, what? What would your screenplay be of Bravo Con? She's like a girl. A girl named Rowan. A girl named Rowan walking in a park, waiting for people to call her. Nobody calls her. Do they hate Relan? Are they calling Brooke Shields? Am I resentful of my mother? I don't think I am. What is the Nepo, baby? Am I allowed to be one? I don't care. I'm calling my dad to read one of my scripts. Am I still writing?
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How sad. When the Nepo isn't nepoing, it's like, you're Brooke Shields daughter, and they're like, yeah, you have to stay home from BravoCon. I was. I wonder, do you think that they were not allowed to come to BravoCon because they didn't want to reveal new cast members yet? Or was it that they were still being tested as, like, friends of, like.
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I think just. They didn't want to reveal it. They're like, you guys, this is huge. If this gets out.
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If it gets out that a Law and Order day player slash volunteer firefighter is on the cast, they're just gonna tear down the Venetian. Okay? So we gotta keep this under wraps.
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Yeah, I just felt bad because when you said the Nepo was an epoing, I thought, yeah, because she's, like, got the screenwriter half and the screenwrite. The screenplay was kind of like. And then she's got the sitcom half, and the sitcom half was also kind of like. But I think Rowan needs other people to react off of, because I've really liked her on the show so far.
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Yeah, she is good. And by the way, there was one week we did not recap this show, and I think that was the week when her dad was giving her notes, which we saw a callback to here. Her dad was giving her notes on the screenplay. It was actually a really funny scene because he came and he's like, what is this? This is. No. Why are you. Why do you. Why are you doing this? This is too much. This is ridiculous. And then eventually, he just looks at the camera and he goes, is this really boring to watch?
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But I love when he was going over the script, he's like, whoa, you've got way too much going on here. We've got a telephone, an airplane, a vibrator, a pigeon, a trash. Like, what? It's too much. It's like. No, I really don't believe it is. I think that it's actually very well thought out. He's like, X. He's just putting X's through shit.
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Yeah, that was.
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So finally, she does get a FaceTime from Brooks. Sorry. Yeah, from Brooks and Ava. And they're in the meet and greet, and. Yeah, it's like, we're so famous. And Rowan is like. And then all of a sudden, she sees Georgia. Oh, my God. Cut. Put down the laptop. Screen.
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Put it down. Yeah, but the screenplay is not selling. Okay, so back to Bravocon. Ariana is telling us, I don't think people really understand that we have a really busy weekend, genuinely non stop. And Riley's like, yeah, we're like working Barbies this weekend. It's like, yeah, so you have like five minutes to get to this meet and greet and then get to this panel and nobody tells us anything. And then they hand you a mic, they send you out there. So basically the point is they're being pulled in all these different directions. And then we see a clip of Battle the Sexes. We see them on, on the panel with Jerry o', Connell, which of course, legs.
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Yeah.
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What's the difference between boys and girls? I'd love to hear. It's been 25 years I've been asking this question. What do you think, guys?
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Why are women so different from man? Ask my wife. You'll get a 20 minute answer. So he's like, so, hey, is anything going on between Charlie and Ariana? Everybody wants to know. And Ariana says, I would never touch Charlie with a ten foot pole.
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Just. I said what I meant and I mean what I said.
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So, Riley, do you even know what show you're from? The line is. I said what I said.
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Exactly. From your former aunt. So yeah, so Riley's like, I mean, he really does wish he could like bang you. I mean, I would never let even let that happen. Like, no scrubs around here. Okay, you see, she knows, she knows.
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She knows how to do it.
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She's like, bills, bills, bills.
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And Ariana's like, that might hurt his feelings. And Riley says, yeah, he doesn't have feelings, he's Charlie. So, so then we go to an interview with Charlie and they're like, oh, so what about Ariana? Are you going to pursue her now that she's single? And he's like, yeah, I mean, she's definitely being pursued. I'll just put it that way.
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Yeah, really going to pursue a lot. I'm Charlie. Meanwhile, back now, let's go to Liam's show and he's FaceTiming Ariana. He's like, hey, what's going on? I said a film festival. How's everything going there with you? Sorry, the reception at the Angelica Film center is not so great. Okay, how's Bravo Con?
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It's really fun. What is, what is that I'm hearing? Do we have a. Is that really bad for. I just hear a buzz. It's like a. No, Kendall's here. Kendall's here. All right, I'll talk to you later. All right, gotta go. Hey, Kendall. She's like, yeah, so what'd you think of last night? She's like, yeah, people were really grilling me about Ariana. Huh. That's something.
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Is it possible Kendall doesn't exist? I like when they called her a shadow a few weeks ago, like. Like she's not even there. She's just sort of like a shadow. And then they made. Turned her into a shadow. I just keep on thinking about that and this poor girl who's like, sure, I'll shoot some scenes. Why not? It'll be kind of fun. And then she just gets roasted on the show. And now we all look at her like, who is this girl? Poor girl. So she's there to, like, be like, let's. Let's have like a rom com moment. We talk about relationships. She's like, you know what's funny? Whenever you've dated a girl in the past, you give me updates, like, every 15 minutes. And Ariana, you're, like, so quiet about that. Like, what's going on? Like, you grill me about my dating life.
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Yeah. He's like, oh, yeah, you gotta find a man so we can double date. Right? It'll be kind of like a make the wish, give the people what they want kind of a thing. I'm an actor. You're clearly not, but I'll still hang out with you for dubs.
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Yeah, I do. I do like her. Actor, actor in love. So back in Bravo con.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't choke on that jalapeno, Kendall. Jesus.
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God.
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Can we get a check over here for jalapeno lips? God, don't wipe your Ken doll. She's like, oh, why am I crying?
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All right, cut on that one. Do we want to take it from the top for safety? Okay, sorry. Just actor speak at the BravoCon. It's time for the Bravo. The Bravos. And the. The category is Rookie of the year, presented by Jen Pedrante and Wes Wilson. Wow. Yeah.
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What a duo to be announcing your award.
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And what a time when Wes Wilson was still held with warm regard by the community.
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Yeah, they're like, we need someone to announce next gen nyc. Can we get someone who's trying to have young person hair from TikTok West? Yes. Okay, perfect. Get him up there. So they're like, oh, my God, we slayed. We won. We actually won. Thank you guys so much. I think that we're beyond excited right now. Wow, I'm glad you guys chose Gia
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Sounds great in history. So now. Now it's flash forward to later in the night. They go to Carmela, which is in planet Hollywood. They go in there and like, the. The lady who works there, like, presents, like, opens up a refrigerator. It's like a speakeasy. And she's like, welcome, cameras of Bravo. And Ava's like, wow, Charlie booked a reservation. Hi, gentlemen. They're so impressed that Charlie did the basic thing, which is go on to opentable and click on a box, which he didn't.
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You know, this was like a producer. Obviously, they have to get filming rights and stuff to be in there. And Charlie's like, oh, yeah, I love awards. Yeah. Happy we won. Awesome. I mean, these kids, like, obviously, they grew up with Bravo. Like, the girl bonnet. Gross. But so it's important to them. I personally don't care. I'm like, really cool and do not care that I'm on TV at all. I don't know. Whatever. I'm going around my friends.
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He's. He's so aloof, Ronnie. How attractive.
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It's just so hot that he's so cool. He's too cool for it, man.
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God, that Charlie's a core. So Riley is.
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My nieces, I taught since they were a young age. Don't ever go because everyone knows what you're doing. Like, if you see a hot guy, just say, rawr. You know? You know, I do that. That's like the code word. And so yesterday we were somewhere and I just went, rawr. And she was like, uncle. That guy could hear us. He didn't know what we were saying. Jesus, calm down. I've taught you the language.
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Well, there's also this, the Sally version, which is going, yoo hoo.
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Yoo hoo. It's a man.
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It's a man,
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Please.
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She just becomes lady Roger Rabbit. Rogerette's rabbit. Shaving a haircut.
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So Georgia left early. She didn't come to dinner. They're like, where's Georgia? She couldn't have had feathers on her eyes to come to dinner with this. And Georgia. We see Georgia leaving. It's like, day one, done. That was fun. David's living the Bella.
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I cannot tell you the depths of my soul to which I love Georgia. I just pray she doesn't do something problematic. Because usually when I love someone on Bravo so much, they do. They say something really whack, and I have to then know that I've committed my love to them. On the podcasts, it's say it, forget it, write it, regret it. That's what I'm always running it and regretting it, but I don't know, every. Every little verbal tic that she has, just her goofy smile. I mean, obviously I hate that she doesn't wash her hands, but man, she cracks me up over and over again. Just the stupidest little things I just adore.
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Thank you. So when. When. I hope she never does anything problematic. Anything else, you mean? I mean, geez, did you watch the past couple of weeks on this show?
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Oh, yeah, there's that. But I mean, like, you know, you know, we. We don't like that when it gets really, really bad.
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Yeah, this is Bravo.
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Been there. Yeah, this is of course her now.
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So they're talking about how proud they are of each other and Ariana's like, yeah, I couldn't do this without you guys. Even Charlie. And Brooks goes, I'm dad, girl. I would believe it. Someone take a pulse.
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I know Brooks is barely present this season and, you know, he's all the way at the very, very, very end of the sofa for the reunion. And everyone online is like, yeah, serves him right. So Ariana says they should call Hudson, let him know that they won the award. So they cheer and. And then they have this moment. I believe that this is now where we see sort of like. Like a bunch of clips, like the night's getting crazy and before we go to commercial, they just have this really random shot of Shai's head going back and forth like superimposed over our cartoon body. And like, later on, we know we understand the context of it, but at this point of the show, I'm like, why did they do that? Why do they just have Shy's head on a cartoon just bopping back and forth? I was like, this show is now. Now the production, post production department is fully, like, gone off the deep end and they're just putting any random image in there. Did you notice that?
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I didn't notice it. I feel now that you said it, it's popping up in my memory. But it's. They put so many little things in this show that it just. I let it wash over me. I guess they do it like this because of Tick Tock, you know how it's like constant and everything's.
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Yeah.
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All the time. And I think it's supposed to be like that. But as an old person, I'm just like,
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you know what's funny? The plumber is here right now because my kitchen sink got backed up and they. I think they have the snake in there or something and it's going like this. And like that's literally sometimes how I feel when I watch Bravo. I'm like, wow, I have a snake going into my brain. This.
B
Okay, so now it's day two of BravoCon. Ava's on the FaceTime with her mom again, and she's coming to see her. And then we see clips of everybody partying the night before and ending up in a McDonald's drive thru. And Amira orders a four count of McCrispy strips.
A
She loves like a little, like a little fried chicken finger moment. That's what she got from Red Robin last year, right?
B
Girl, I don't know. Your memory is so onion rings. And Ariana says, who the orders chicken strips at McDonald's, by the way?
A
I take it back. It was that she got onion rings from Red Robin, I think with a burger. I take it back. There's no pattern here.
B
Well, I'm glad it's there in my brain now because now I know if I were, I'm at a Red Robin the mirror, I know what to order. So basically it's just a lot of. This is a lot of just nothing happening for a lot of this episode.
A
It's just like fun stuff. It's like fun activity that's going on. And so Rachel Roy will be coming in later and she suggests that they all go to Magic Mike in the evening. And then now we see another panel and it's like, I got it from my mama. So we see Theresa and Gia and Kim and Ariana and our wonderful friend Kiki. Monique is the moderator and she's like, so who is the most likely to send a messy text? And Gia, like, points to Theresa and she's like, nah, I don't do that. Because you don't want to put anything in writing.
B
I learned that.
A
Like your signature. Yeah, yeah.
B
So then Shy is hanging out with Charlie and they're watching social clips and stuff from BravoCon. And Shy goes, look, she's uncle's like, never wearing a shirt. Charlie goes, bro, they're from New Jersey.
A
What do you expect? And then Chai goes low key. Yeah, I mean, well, Ava and Georgia decide to go the high roller Ferris wheel. And I love that George is just fascinated by the Ferris wheel. I feel like this is her first time in Vegas, but I also feel like this is maybe her first time interfacing with a Ferris wheel. She's like, oh my God, like, this is crazy.
B
Like literally anywhere. She's like, wow, like, like what's even happening? Like, look at this city. It's like, what Is the Strip. Like, what is that? Anyway, when they say the Strip, Ava says, it's where, like, the cool shit is. You've never been to Vegas.
A
That's where the cool shit is.
B
Yeah, it's, like, not what I was expecting. Like, for some reason, I thought Vegas was, like, much smaller. It's, like, much bigger than New York City. And it's like, ding. Incorrect.
A
I know. She's like, look, we know it's bigger than New York City because you can see New York City over there. It's only as big as that place. Just like, look at the New York New York Casino. And Ava's like, but isn't Vegas, like, the number one tourist destination in the world? No. Also wrong. Also wrong. At least in America. Ding. Ding.
B
No. Okay, in America. Yeah, I could see that. I could see that. Which. Which way is north? And then Ava just points up at the sky. Oh, my God.
A
Even Georgia goes, no, no.
B
It's like, what do you mean? That's nor.
A
And it just says, underneath. This is how misinformation spreads. I mean, this conversation had me rolling.
B
So now Ariana is talking to Ariana. Ariana's talking to Ariana. Ariana is talking to Amira about, I don't know, going to topgolf. So now they go to topgolf. Topgolf does really well on Bravo.
A
Well, it really does.
B
They get a lot of Bravo time,
A
especially Married to Medicine. I'm surprised when they went there, we didn't, like, see Cecil and Simone there teeing up as well. Toya.
B
And an iconic Salt Lake City breakdown with Jen Shaw. Good. Her huge party at TOF Golf. Top golf for her husband. So then they're basically talking, you know, and Ariana saying, I can't believe we all ended up hanging out in Charlie's room last night. That was nuts, right? He's even back in the chat, and we see Charlie ding. Added back to the group chat. And she says that this has been such great memories. And, you know, Charlie's really trying to change people's outlooks of him, and it's working.
A
Yeah. Things are looking up for Charlie. And then Georgia is asking Ava, like, you know how the after party was. And Ava's saying, it was really cute, actually. And host and Charlie hosted. And he ordered us all food. And of course, they're all impressed that Charlie ordered them food because Charlie normally has other people pay for things. And then Charlie and Shire talking and shy. Charlie's like, shy. So, okay, realistically, real. Real rap. Real rap here. I'm gonna Ask you, do you think you were kind of vibing with any of the girls last night? And Shy's like, I don't even know what a girl is. This is crazy. Like, a girl. What's like, what? Vibing girls. What? Okay, I mean, I guess. Like, I guess. I don't know. I mean, here. All right, there was one thing that happened, okay? There was a little bit of a vibe, like, with Ava, you know, And I don't know, like, maybe I missed it or whatever. So of course, Charlie latches right onto this. And he's like, yeah, I think there's a lot of truth to the fact that she is a drunk, horny flirt. And I think she wanted you to her, Charlie.
B
Jesus. So you're saying she wanted you to her? He's like, whoa, whoa. I'm not saying da. I'm just saying, like, it was like a vibe. Like, it was like a total vibe with her. Shy, he's setting you up, you dummy.
A
Oh, yeah, he is.
B
Shy. Come on, Shy. You're gonna have to get smarter than this, buddy.
A
So Shy basically is like, well, I made one little move, you know, there was just like. I don't know, just like one. Like we're, you know, we're both drunk, and it was just like flirting in Las Vegas. Like, you know, that's just how it is. You know, like one little move, make it seem like it was this cute. Like a little cute moment between the two of them. But then we go to Ava and we hear her.
B
We all know that this. We all know that this Ava did not flirt with him. Right?
A
Like, right.
B
Poor guy. It's. And he's like a cute guy or whatever, but this guy just has no game. And I think we all knew that this was not true. And so then Ava's like, okay, let me paint you the picture of last night. We're doing, like, an after party at Charlie's hotel room, and I just was going to my room, and then Shy was like, you want to hang out more? So I was like, okay. So he comes over, and I'm like, wearing grandma pajamas. And then he's like, you want to make out? And I was like, oh, yeah.
A
No, no.
B
So is that what we call flirting now?
A
Yeah. And by the way, this. As she tells the story, we see their heads on little cartoon bodies. And this is why there was a cartoon body, because, like, the cartoons were used to recreate the story, but they just teased the cartoons early in a way that had no context. That was strange. So Shy's like, Yeah, I caught a vibe. I gotta look from her. And. And the producer's like, what was the look? He's like, well, she was like, oh, my God, she had me like butter. Like, absolutely. Like, I melted. And it just. It's just so funny because Ava's like, ew, no, absolutely not. No, not gonna happen.
B
Yeah, it was just a harmless, flirtatious night in Vegas. You know how it is. Like, men, women. Yeah, no harm, no foul. No harm, no foul. But, like, you know, like, her mom's coming to town, so I don't think we're gonna have an opportunity to chat things out about our relationship. But, you know, like, still, like, you know, like, we'll talk about it at some point, you know, I don't know if it's right. It's on me with the family. I don't know. We'll see. We're just gonna chat it out.
A
Oh, Charlie has a really delicate way of. Of summarizing the situation where he goes, well, congrats for almost Ava.
B
Yeah, I probably shouldn't have said anything to Charlie about that. But, like, that's my boy. So, like, you know, like, he. He. I think he's not gonna tell Ava. Like, I told him this. Like, that's my boy right there. No. Stupid. So then back to Ariana and Amira. She's like, yeah, Charlie also did text me last night and asked me if I left a vape in his room. And wait, wait. He goes, if you left this as an excuse to come back and sleep over, now's the time to do so. What? That's, like, crazy.
A
Oh, my God. Like, and so. All right, it was wild. Charlie's like. I mean, it's like, I wouldn't touch Charlie with a ten foot pole. But then it's also like, we're rubbing each other in bed. You know what I'm saying, guys?
B
Yeah. How much of this is just that they're so easily manipulated and They've just done 30 interviews where people are like, what's going on with you and Charlie? What's going on with you and Ariana? Everybody wants to know Charlie and Ariana. So now all of a sudden, they have this, like, Charlie. I mean, have they always had this?
A
I don't. They. They're claiming that they did, but that Charlie's always liked her. And it sounds to me like Ariana probably is just, you know, she probably enjoys the fact that, you know, he's flirting with her and flirting with her sort of like with swagger. Like, Charlie swagger. What? What counts as swagger versus Liam, who's a little bit more like, oh, my God, I'll build a bookshelf for you. Like, whoa, I'm. I, I. I got, like, you ice skates or whatever. Like, Liam's doing all kind of, like, the dorky things, the romantic things, and Charlie's like, hey, he's like the. He's like the guy in the leather jacket with the motorcycle, which is what Liam thinks he is. But Liam.
B
Liam's trying to, like, make a reality thing where he's like, yeah, it's my girlfriend. I'm on television. This is gonna be my girlfriend. It's basically how it works. Relationship. Yeah. And he's trying to really do the cheesy fake thing, and Charlie's doing the, like, yeah, I don't want you. Or do I?
A
Yeah. Which is always being mysterious, I think. Yeah. But, like, Liam's feels like it's more like flirtation that he learned by watching movies, and Charlie's is more like flirtation from just being a scumbag, so. Ariana.
B
Well, Charlie's exploitation from movies, too, but it's like the bad boy in the movie.
A
Yeah.
B
I don't even like you. I'm just gonna pretend to like Molly Ringwald because my friends dared me to. Then at the end, she's going to find out it was all a big lie, but maybe I'll have feelings for her by then. Who knows?
A
Yeah, I think that Liam Nelson. I think Liam thinks he's Judd Nelson, but he's actually Andrew McCarthy.
B
I think that Shai is more Andrew McCarthy.
A
How about this?
B
McCarthy was always the do the doofy one, right? Wait, wait, you're right. You're right, you're right. You're.
A
No, you're right, you're right.
B
He's Ducky, Right.
A
Shy is Andrew McCarthy. I think that is. Okay, Are we gonna say, are we in, like, are we.
B
But you're right in general, like, 80s and not early 90s.
A
So is Liam Emilio Estevez?
B
Oh, he wasn't too cheesy. Who was the other Andrew? Who was the. Who is the Andrew I was talking about that pretends to like Molly Ringwald?
A
It's. It's John Heard, not John. John Heard. No. Two and a Half.
B
John Heard, not John Hurd. Was that Pretty in Pink?
A
Yeah, John Cryer. That's. Yeah, him is John Cryer.
B
I'm getting all my 80s movies up.
A
No, Liam is John Cryer, but he thinks he's Judd Nelson. He's John Cryer, having studied Judd Nelson. But he's still John Cryer.
B
No, John Cryer is kind of the dorky one. He's Ducky. Who's the guy next to John Prior in the movie poster? What is wrong with me?
A
That's what I'm saying.
B
I quit podcast.
A
Okay.
B
It's Andrew something.
A
Okay. I'm looking it up.
B
Brat pack men act author Andrew. I'm bringing it up. Okay. Where else are you gonna go?
A
Anthony Michael Hall.
B
Andrew McCarthy.
A
No, he's Anthony Michael Hall.
B
I mean, Anthony Michael Hall. Okay. Yeah, Anthony Michael hall is shy. Yeah, Andrew McCarthy is. No, no, no, Liam.
A
No, I think that shy is Andrew McCarthy. I think that Liam is Anthony Michael Hall.
B
No, Anthony Michael. Kind of the dork, dorky guy. So that's Shy.
A
No, shy is John Cusack.
B
Oh, okay. Wow.
A
Yeah. Shy is John Cusack. Shy is John Cusack. Okay, so shy is John Cusack. Liam. The thing. So Liam. We still. We still believe he thinks he's Judd Nelson. But in reality, I think he could still be Andrew McCarthy.
B
Yeah, I think he's kind of Andrew McCarthy.
A
Ish.
B
Anyway, sorry to the young people and the old people. Really butchered that one, honestly.
A
And to Andrew McCarthy.
B
Really? And Anthony Michael Hall. Really? No one won here. That's the point.
A
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B
So Charlie, Charlie. Charlie's like, oh yeah, that whole I wouldn't touch Charlie with a ten foot pole. And then it's like we're like rubbing each other in the bed. So what about that? And Ariana is saying, yeah, he says, like, out of pocket. But then he tells me to come sleep over in his room. I mean, that's just Charlie. Like, it's fun, honestly. Like, I love the attention. It's. It's great. I'll take it.
A
Okay, well, so Ava. And Ava's like, charlie. I mean, and then he's like, he's like, like, he's like trying to, like, make an effort. And Georgia goes, yeah, like, good for him. Like, I literally hate him. She goes, you hate him? Yeah, it's like, that's a strong word. I know. Okay, well, let me put it this way. He's like my least favorite person on the planet right now. I think that's a little nicer.
B
With Gia.
A
Oh, no, you're right.
B
Sorry. Miracle. You're right. Yeah, I don't think they're really saying that much. But then we go to date time with Gia and Christian, and this is where the ladies with wigs stop to take pictures with them. And she is like, I've been in that public eye since I was like 8 years old. Like, I didn't really have the worst experience growing up. Like, my family's been through the ring up. It like opens up like so much opportunities for me right now, which is clearly like influencing and having like a giant new apartment and stuff like that. But she goes, yeah, like, my family reconciling. Oh, stop. And it's cute because she does mean her family is reconciling for tv. But like, to her, it's so sweet. She's like, look, TV forced my mom and her sister in law to get back together again or they wouldn't be on TV anymore. And it worked. And now everybody's pretending to like each other again. Thanks. Reality tv.
A
The powers of reality tv. So then, so Gia's basically like. They sit down at their dinner and Gia's like, what kind of food is this? Like, normal? And he goes, Italian? Yeah. Okay. Normal. Okay. How's it. She goes, how's it been for you at Bravocon? He goes, I don't know. He's just. It's just tiring. It's a lot. She's like, what was like, the coolest part for you? He was like, I don't know. I feel like it's all the same. Just photos of fans in different sections. Yeah, so many photos. Like, do you ever feel like I'm like, forcing you to like, be here? Stuff like that.
B
He's like, yes. You're literally forcing me to be here. He's like, yeah, you gave me no choice. And she goes. He's like, yeah, you know, I don't like to be on camera. I don't like the film, like, all the time. I don't like to have to, you know, and, like, you have to. We're in, like, two different worlds. Yeah, but what about when we get, like, married and have kids and, like, take the next step a moment, and he just stays quiet. He's like, I couldn't tell.
A
Yeah, they have this great shot where he's like, I don't like being. I don't like being filmed. And then they just, like, pan over to see that there's, like a camera directly on him. Yeah. Gia, it's time to move on from this guy. Sorry. I don't think you should have to give up your reality lifestyle. You have been raised in it. You obviously like it. And this guy, you obviously, you like this guy. There are other fish in the sea, fish that you should swim with. I mean, it's tricky too. Like, it's weird. It's. If you find.
B
I was gonna say, yeah, there's the other side of that too, where, like, someone doesn't want to be famous is good sometimes. Right.
A
Maybe it should just be like, he lets her do her thing, but then he doesn't have any obligation to be on camera because that would be good. But if he's gonna make you not do this, then that's gonna be a problem.
B
Yeah, I don't think he's making her. Right. Or maybe that's why he's holding out with the proposal like that. It's obviously an issue because I think she wants him to be there. You know, it's like you. You have to show your life on these shows. And so if you're just gonna have an off camera boyfriend, and that's not really going to work. But he's already given you the answer many times on camera. We've seen the scene a lot. Even. He's like, oh, my God, like, why are you not taking it seriously? He's like, we've had this conversation like 50 times.
A
But also, like, she's young. There's time to find someone else. That's true Now. Now it's day three.
B
Even when you're old, there's time to find somebody else. That's a lot of people out there. Just look at a McDonald's sign and look how many billions of burgers have been served. And just think, only one of those People really needs to find me attractive.
A
Or. Or just think about it this way. Of all the billions. Billions of burgers being served, there's always gonna be someone who also just wants the crispy strips. Meaning true. Like, there's a menu that. There's something on that menu there that you think will never get picked, but there's someone who will pick it.
B
Bravo con. Let's start off in Shai's room.
A
I love this. He's. He's in bed with his two friends, and he's like, gotta wake up and start the day. Like, gotta get ready for the fans. And his friend is like, oh, yeah, all your supposed fans down there. She just laughs in his face.
B
So Brooks is getting ready with Chloe. He's like, bravo con. Day three. Are you gonna be at my panel? She's like, of cars. Yeah. We're so close to selling out at my booth. I can't hear you. But. But I can't hear you. You're the same person. Just surely you hear what the other one is thinking.
A
I'm really trying to make Brooks Marks the focus of my career, and the next steps are to launch the resort collection at Winter Pop in New York City. And I'm extremely stressed. My parents, investors in the company, and if I'm unable to pay back their investment, they have the right to seize all the goods, including my sourdough starter. Okay. And I can't let that happen.
B
What the are they gonna do with a thousand terry cloth skinny or whatever it's called. Hoodies.
A
Terry cloth light that disintegrates that. Yeah.
B
So then Ava is getting ready, and Rachel's there now, and she's like, honey, please wear the Bottega vintage. I just love that. Thank you. That's why I'm me.
A
And Ava's, like, talking about how this whole thing with Hook, it's just been so sad and so hard. They're still living together. They have a pillow fort between them. And thank God for Vegas. And, you know, my mom. I need my mom. And Rachel's, like, my suggestion. After my 51 years of living going through ups and downs and being maligned by Beyonce, he said, you just need that core group of girls, you know? She's like, yeah, well, Ariana just went through the exact same thing that I'm going, going through. And she had a breakup, and now she's living with a boyfriend and then having to have her own place. So it's nice. I sort of have that.
B
It's like, wow. Yeah, that's like synergy. You know, like, guys come and go. Am I right? One day you're Jay, the next day you're Zay. You know, but the important thing is girl and girlfriends. You know, girl. You know, being a girl's girl, that's what's really important, honey. Mom, I really want to move out of Hook's house. I'm not paying your. I'm not. I'm not being your friend.
A
Supporting women.
B
Okay?
A
Women. Supporting women. So will you support me leaving? No. No.
B
Good luck with that. So Ava talks about how she's really close with her mom, and when they're. When her parents got divorced, her mom was supporting herself and still is. And now that she's in a similar position, you know, she's not just like, mom, I need help with my English. Now she's like, mom, I need help with my broken heart.
A
So then. Oh, so lovely. So beautiful. Now it's 20 minutes until the panel, and everyone's getting ready and. Etc. And I think there was, like, a moment in here where Shai facetimes his mom, Pia, and he's like, mom, look at my shirt. She's, oh, darling, that's the most beautiful shirt I've ever seen. And she has her phone, like, hanging from the ceiling because she's, like, looking up at it like this. She's like, could someone please send someone to get me out of this? Well, thank you.
B
That's how you're supposed to do FaceTime. Finally, someone who gets it. And then they cut to the Moderator Room 20 minutes before, and there are these two kind of bald guys staring at each other going, do I look fat? No. Do I look fat?
A
No.
B
Do I look fat?
A
Is my humpback showing?
B
No. Do I look fat? No. Do I look fat? Can they make this a bigger font? No, it's printed.
A
Yep. And it was us. So we see them all line up, and Ava. Ava and Shai are really nervous that they're gonna get asked about their relationship. What happens? What happens if they get asked it? What happens if they get asked? But don't worry, we didn't ask them because we didn't know. So guess what? Here come the moderators. It's me. It's Ronnie. We're here. And you see me on stage going, oh, my God, I can't believe we got to moderate. Next time, New York City, you guys, this is crazy. Oh, my God. I can't stop popping my hands.
B
And I was like, oh, my God.
A
Hey, hey, guys.
B
Goswah. Here comes next gen. And then I put the cards right up to my face to cover my face. Next gen nyc. Do you not remember where you are? For fuck's sake? You have one thing to say. You gotta read it off the card.
A
Yeah, well, they also show a shot of me just looking down at my card, like straight down. You just see like the top of my head. Be like, ask Ariana, how's Hudson?
B
I thought that was great. And I actually love that we came out kind of color coordinated. We didn't plan.
A
That was, that was purely by accident. But we were both like in our moment. Yeah, yeah.
B
It's like our brownish, brownish olive.
A
So we became their kids. It's so funny because we're watching this whole show. We had no idea that there was this Charlie drama happening. And shy and Ava and you watch the show and their whole vibe is like, oh my God, like, that's crazy. You know, it'd be iconic because if you want to party last night, oh my God, I hate Charlie. They're all like that. And then when we go out on stage, we had to walk by, they were all lined up like in a single file line and we had to like walk by them and we're like, hi, guys. They all were like, hi. They're like, they're like seven year olds being like, hi, Mr. Mandelker.
B
Yeah, because, you know, even. Yeah, because on this show, even when someone's five years older, they're like, oh my God, they're so old, you know, so we're like really old.
A
For these poor kids, it was like watching Merlin and Gandalf walk by them. They're like, yeah, they're like, can we go to the bathroom?
B
They're grazing their hand. But they were so nice and let me tell you, also stunningly gorgeous. Every single one of them was just so good looking. And I mean, we know we see them on tv, but seeing people in real life, I was like, oh my God, you guys are also. Your pores. Where are they? You're all so cute. And Amira vavoom.
A
Oh my God.
B
Jesus Christ. Stunning.
A
I think Amira is having a wonderful season. I feel like first of all, she's had way more screen time than she did last season. I kind of felt like she was stitched in last season, like midway through. I think Amira is great. She is so, she's so charming, but she's like, her personality is, is just, just, I don't know, like you want to be like her friend. She's really funny, but she can also. She can really sort of like stiffen up and like, call you out. Like, she's really, I think, had a wonderful breakout season. I think she's. She's fantastic.
B
Yeah. So the panel. Georgia, like, Georgia, like, your hands, like. Like, you don't, like. Like, wash your hands? Like, what's that about? Like, stuff follow you around, like, not washing your hands, like.
A
And then you're like, all right, this one's for Shy. You weren't in the season that much. Like, is that. Is it because of your name? Are you Shyer? Are you a more reserved person? And he, like, didn't get it at first. I remember him being like, what? I don't get it because of my name. It's like, shy. Your name's Shy?
B
He's like, I can't really blame him. Like, hey, Shy, you ever heard dad jokes? I've got him.
A
He goes, I met everyone through Dylan. And then he just left.
B
Left.
A
He just, like, left me with these people. And I believe that what then happened with. That they cut out was me saying, yeah, what happened to him? I was like, yeah. Does anyone watch his only fans? I remember I asked something about Dylan's only fans, and I was like. I was like, okay, back to questions. Never mind.
B
Well, that's good. What if they answered like, yeah, jerk off to Dylan every day. God, I miss him.
A
I know. Maybe I asked just where Dylan went. But anyway, and we have Ben. Ben from Los Angeles asks, do you think there's anyone. Oh, by. By the way, sorry, I should mention that he. Shy was saying how he was like, oh, my God, I don't know. All these new people. And. And then he's saying how, like, oh, my God. But then once the questions start, I'm having a great time with it. I'm killing it. So then I say, do you think there's anyone on the stage that could learn from Riley in terms of being more honest? And little did I realize when those words had left my mouth that I'd be starting a tense, vicious fight between cast members. Later the episode, he's like, I'm not gonna lie, Brooke.
B
So I think I can learn a little bit from Riley. And Brooks is, like, starts giving him laser eyes. This is the most emotion we've literally ever seen from Brooks. And it's just a tiny movement and laser eyes. And he's like, yeah. I mean, well, like, I could learn from Riley or Brooks can learn from Riley because, you know, she's, like, direct and, like, saying stuff that's like, I don't know. Like, that's good, right? It's a Good thing. It's a good thing, right,
A
Shaz? Like, I mean, Raleigh's the most confrontational person at Brooks, for like, a year now, has been, like, talking about how he should be more confrontational. So it's obvious in my head, like, putting 200 together like a monkey would. But then next thing you know, Brooks, like, flings his head towards me and, like, stares daggers at me. And there's your slow mo. Brooks turning around be like, what?
B
And that ends the panel and our recap of this show. Goodbye. Thank you very much. So it's over. And Shy's like, oh, Brooks is mad at me, like, walking off the stage. I know. Like, there's going to be a conference. Sorry I burped. I just definitely know he's, like, more mad at me now.
A
So now they got.
B
Already we mentioned this last week, they already all seem to have a problem with Brooks. I felt like there was a question in there. Something like, who's letting. Well, I think Georgia, the who let fame go to their heads too much was Georgia. They all said, Right. But didn't they say something shady about shy there? There was, like, some weird energy with shy there, but I don't remember quite what it was. They.
A
I, I. Yeah, I don't know. They just. They're, like, on. They just. They don't seem to, like, shy. It's so.
B
Yeah, we left them. Like, why do they hate shy?
A
Yeah. So now they go to dinner, and they're at the Eiffel Tower having dinner, and Ariana. Ariana says, my dream is to go to Paris. I've never been. And Charlie goes, it's such a hole. What? So Ariana goes, stop. It's my dream. Can you not ruin it? You've ruined a lot of things. It's just, like, so overly romanticized.
B
Okay, Charlie.
A
Yeah, sure.
B
And Ariana's like, you ruined things. Like, God, just leave Paris alone. He's like, oh, don't worry. There's. I'll. I'll still be ruining things. There's your relationship with Liam.
A
And Aria's like, what's wrong with you? He's like, don't worry. I don't think they caught that. She's like, every single camera's pointed us right now. He's like, they just assume we're a couple right now. That's why. And then meanwhile, we see Liam. What he's doing during this is that he's. He's, like, playing video games. He's, like, in one of those, like, seats, like, where it feels like you're actually driving. He's having a great. Yes, he's in one of the actual
B
driving seats with three screens in front of him. He's like a serious gamer, you guys. He's also an art. It's also an art. Huge part of the industry. Just.
A
Just studying research.
B
Pretty method.
A
Yeah, I'm studying for my new role as the. As a legend, you know, from League of Legends. I'm other legends actors like.
B
Yeah, I don't know what Bravicon is. Okay. I mean I have an idea of what it is, but I don't follow that. Come on. Is it written down in courier new then? I don't know what the that is.
A
I don't know. I don't get it.
B
So am I acting? No, I am becoming. Okay, thanks. That's Liam scene for the day.
A
Unless Bravo Con is a film from the 70s during Al Pacino about a hard boiled detective, pretty sure I have not seen it.
B
Is bravo done on 70 millimeter? Did not think so or even. I'm all right now.
A
Is it something can that can be watched in its true format imax? I don't think so. So no, I don't know what it is.
B
So Charlie back to. Charlie's like, hey, want to go to the bathroom? Ariana, she's like off. Charlie's like trying to get everybody doing his coke with him, I think. And at the end he gets shy in there. The very subtle guys, like, what do you think about that?
A
Right? I don't know what you think about, but Ariana and. And Charlie are being very flirty. She's like doing like big flirt. Laughs like throwing her head back. Charlie and Riley's watching this and is like, like, we have a new dynamic duo over there. So Ariana's like, do you think you're being slick, Ariana? She goes, no, there's nothing there. I mean, he likes to say something's like really out of pocket and it like makes me flustered and like sometimes it's like fun. So like, what about that? Sounds like I have like a low key attraction to him. Yeah.
B
So the cast is like, we knew it. We knew this was gonna happen. So Charlie asks the favorite part of the weekend for everybody and they're like, because we won. What about that? And everyone's like, oh my God, you guys, congratulations again. Congratulations. Everybody's so great. And then Brooks is like, I'm shocked. I didn't think Charlie was actually gonna get booed. I was kind of shook. And then, yeah, that thing that Shai said about me and Then they flash
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back to us yet again. And me being, what's the number one thing that you think you've learned? And then Charlie's like, not too much. There's nothing really for me to learn. And then Ronnie goes, I've learned nothing and I'm proud of it. And I go, pitchforks. Because everyone's booing.
B
Yeah, they were booing his ass. But he was asking for it, though. He came out with his sunglasses and, like, slouched back in his chair. He's like, what made me talk? So he was honestly really entertaining. He really commits that one. So George is like, yeah. My head was like, not really on the stage of BravoCon because my eyes were flying away from me and I was like, daydreaming about holding Prez's hand. He's so cute. Like, I don't even know where the conversation is going, but when I hear my name, I'm like, bacchana.
A
And then this is where you ask, so who has fame changed the most? And then Raleigh's like, georgia. Everyone's like, Georgia. And she's like, like, huh? Yeah, okay, I'll take it.
B
And she's like, thanks, guys. That was so nice. Yeah, that wasn't a compliment.
A
I know. I love that. George was like, that was like, really nice to be changed by fame is beautiful.
B
They all said Faye made me hotter. So thanks, guys. So then Charlie's like, well, I like the late night hangouts in my room with the girls. That was my favorite part. Neighbor's like, oh, yeah. I was gonna say, sh. I told Charlie that I was flirting with you all you all night the other night. So what the.
A
Charlie's like, what can I say? Charlie's like, what can I say? I'm nosy and I like drama and gossip. What? Can't fault him for that. So. So Charlie's like, well, that's not how I would describe it. What? And if it's like, isn't that what you said? I guess maybe shy said that. And shy's like, oh, my God. I could feel my food, like, in my throat. Like, literally, I'm about to throw up on the spot.
B
Yeah, but like, I hit you up like, yo, T. Like, you and shy, like, you know the good gossip that I am, like, is it not true? Like, there was a moment that you guys ended up, like, drinking. Late night, late night. Tick tock, tick. Late night. Like, I wasn't trying to say in a critical. I was just trying to say, like, are you pregnant?
A
And so it was like, yeah, well, when I'm drinking. I just like to have, like, fun or whatever. And, like, then things got, like, misinterpreted, but, like, like, he was trying to, like, have fun and keep the night going, you know, bonding. And Charlie's like, you know, Ava does this funny thing where when you confront her about something that she did, her first instinct is to push back. Like, that's usually called defending yourself against embarrassing allegations.
B
Yeah. And by the way, she didn't do anything, so.
A
Yeah. And there's that too Weird.
B
So then Brooks is like, yeah, she's triggered. It's probably because there's, like, maybe some truth to it. It.
A
I'd like to say something. Shy. What is it that you said about me on the panel? He's like, about what? Yeah, this table's so long, it's, like humiliating him to lean over and ask people what they said. Can you say that again? He's like, what you said about me at the panel, like, why?
B
Oh, well, they asked if there was anyone on the panel that can, like, learn something from Riley. And then I felt like, well, you've mentioned that you. You're not. Not confrontational. So I thought, like, then you can learn something from Riley. I was just trying to help.
A
You felt it was good to say that publicly in front of hundreds of people to me.
B
Oh, God.
A
Have a public confrontation. You're telling me my confrontations. Don't you understand? I don't want to be confronted about that publicly. I know.
B
He's like, I'm going to confront you about how you're saying that my confrontation sucks. How about that? How's my confrontation now? It's just truthful. Like, it wasn't meant to be upsetting. It's like, yeah, I don't think it's, like, cool to, like, sideswipe me like that.
A
Brooks, you were gonna help out shy with his photo shoot, and then you. I like you. You ghosted him. So that was the original Sideswipe and sh's like, it was just. It was like. It wasn't an insult. I was just answering. Georgia goes. I didn't interpret it as an insult towards you, but, you know, once again, like, I have been the most changed by fame, so I have a different perspective on things. In a good way. Complimentary, Complimentary.
B
So she was like, well, were you also, like, saying to him, though, like, implying that you want him to be more direct with you, like, what's going on between you? I've been doing this since I made it. And sh says, no, it's not like I was think. I wasn't thinking. I was just like nervous on stage. Okay. Meanwhile, Charlie and flir. Charlie and Ariane are still off flirting together. Yeah. And Brooks is saying, yeah, like you told me you had nothing but good things to say about me, but then you badmouth me to my friends.
A
Yeah. My friends of like five years and say horrible things that are untrue about me. Meanwhile, Charlie. And again, Charlie and Ariana are like flirting over chapstick. He's like putting on chaps. Her chapstick. And then Shy's just trying to defend himself. And Charlie, of course, is like, not there to support him whatsoever. And Riley's like, I'm a little confused. I'm scared about this pole position, this poll situation going on because she's watching this happening with Ariana. She's like, by the way, I think she meant to. I think it was the whole situation, not poll situation. I misread that.
B
What's. So there's something in here where he said something like. Yeah. And then you said like, like you had to call my agent or something. And that's not true. But it. It was true. He did say, you have to call my agent. All my modeling stuff is booked through my agent. So.
A
Yeah. So then while there, this, like, this low key squabbling's happening. Gia's like, guys, I think you're both making great points, which is my way of saying, stop it. The reason you obviously addressed this is because it was bothering you. And I know it was like our mini reunion up there on the stage. So I brought up some things as well, like that we were feeling and maybe we didn't know, but, like, with that being said, I think we all really are like, growing as like a friend group. So I'm obligated to invite you all to Friendsgiving. Now everyone's like, like, what the.
B
What kind of.
A
What segue was that?
B
What kind of segue is that? It's like, I'm doing this my whole life. So they're like, okay, great, thanks. Thanksgiving Friendsgiving. So now we go to Jersey.
A
I feel like in Jersey. Yeah.
B
She's like, yeah, Jersey. Like, ah, God damn it. So then we go to the plane and Ariana is sitting in coach with Charlie. Oh, my God, this is crazy though, because she had a first class seat with Amira and she gave it up to go sit with Charlie and coach.
A
Yeah, that's. That's one of the most damning things you could do. You do. One does not give up, up your first class seat. Did we not Remember Katie and Tom Schwartz? One does not give up.
B
She gave it up. See, this is what Katie wanted. Yeah, she gave up the first class seat to be with the person. You know, it wasn't like when Tom Schwartz was like, I got upgraded. Have fun and coach idiot.
A
Classic. So Amir is like, ariana and I decided to upgrade our flights to first class so we could sleep in first class. And then she gave it up to sit with Charlie. And economy. It's not giving. I don't want to touch him with a 10 foot pole.
B
And then Mira's like, yeah, this is like a dark cloud looming us, looming us back to New York. Liam's gonna be there on his little horse at the airport waiting to pick up Ariana, and it's gonna be all three of them on the back of Liam's horse. Oh, that is crazy. What happens in Vegas this time? She is definitely bringing that back to New York with us.
A
Yes. Well, the good news for Liam is that he's been finally added to the group chat, which is great. And then Rowan, Ava, and Amira meet up for lunch and they just sort of catch up with everything. And you know, Rowan saying that, you know, she went to Liam's premiere and Amir is like, oh, my God, we missed Liam's premiere. I'm like, so sad.
B
I know.
A
That's like, it's actually so fucked. They, like, laughed like, oh, my God. Because they're like, he had a full on movie premiere. And we're like, bye, off to Vegas. That's like the implication there. And they just start laughing and then
B
they're like, oh, my God, you like Liam. And then we cut to Liam and he's like, yeah, Austin's been so helpful. Super helpful. He's given me shoe sizes, wine names. I have a favorite restaurant I like. I knew the date for a probation and I made a reservation for that night. Yeah, in the back when no one can ask for autographs.
A
It's too planned. She's gonna feel trapped by this. Yeah, yeah. Away from the paparazz. So Ava is like, yeah, Ariana ended up giving up her first class seat to sit in coach next to Charlie on a red eye home. And Amira's like, and let me tell you, there's not a single thing in the world that would ever make me give up my first class seat. Roman's like, ah, didn't she say she wouldn't touch Charlie with a nine foot pole? Like, yeah, honey, that pole is getting shorter and shorter. And then they also shared a car home. Oh, my God.
B
So Gia's planning Thanksgiving Friendsgiving, and she's talking to people on the phone, and they're talking about what they're going to be bringing. And then we see the list, and it's like, you know, so and so is bringing that. So and so is bringing that. Brooks Marks. Sourdough. Sourdough.
A
And you think this is just, like, whatever. It's just a scene of, like, us.
B
We know you're bringing fucking sourdough Brooks. Okay. Jesus.
A
So we. We think this is just, like. Okay, we're just seeing, you know, some friends giving assignments. You bring this, you bring that. You know, Ariana, Liam, bring some roasted carrots and Brussels sprouts. Okay, whatever.
B
Oh, that pinged me, too. I was like, what, you're a couple now?
A
I wasn't really paying attention together. I just was like, oh, whatever. It's just stuff on screen. And then. But here's the thing. So Rowan got added to the. The list as well. The group chat. But no one took Hudson off. And Hudson saw Ariana and Liam paired together with joint Vegetables for Friendsgiving. And it has now kicked off a drama. And I'm like, this is actually the funniest, most relatable drama of all time. I love it. It is.
B
And I also want to give Rowan credit for having the best thing on here. Butternut squash soup. Like, you don't hear that often. People being like, I'll bring the butternut squash soup.
A
She has to transport a soup to New Jersey. That's kind of tricky. I wonder how she's gonna do it.
B
Yeah, it's not necessarily going to be easy. I don't know if that was, like, the brightest thing, but I think it was. I was like, wow, delicious. I would invite her.
A
Yeah. Oh, 100. Rowan's always invited.
B
That's how I. Thanksgiving.
A
Listen, I love a soup. I love a soup. So I'm already very happy.
B
I love a soup. Yeah. So now we've got the drama for the rest of the season. Dawn, Dawn, Dawn. So the producers are asking Charlie if he has feelings for Ariana. And Hudson calls, and he's like, wait, what the fuck? What's going on here? This Liam guy, he did not stay within the boundaries that I set. Yeah, because nobody gives a that your daddy's rich. Who are you to set boundaries? I know.
A
Like, you don't call the shots. You're not even here. You're not really even on the show. You didn't even go to BravoCon, and you were supposed to. And then you're gonna complain that no one followed the boundaries that were not like, had no jurisdiction in the first place. Shut up. Get out of here.
B
So it's like, what's going on with this Liam guy? I mean, Jesus, Charlie, I thought it was going to be you if anybody did it. And they all laugh and Charlie's like, yeah, yeah. Charlie is feeling funny.
A
That. Yeah, like I just like, you know, it's funny. Like, you know, it's, it's. The weather was great today, by the way. I saw cloud as there was a. I saw a door. I went to a door today. What are we talking about? Life. Right, man. Okay, catch you later.
B
Wow. I hope Charlie gets whatever money he needs for his club. Club before exactly what's been going on?
A
You gotta be a little smarter, Charlie, when you are going after the piggy banks lady love.
B
Yep. So Charlie's like, yeah, she says she would never touch me with the ten foot pole. So of course, like, that hurts my pride. And then I'm like, I'm gonna prove that I'm. I'm gonna get it anyway because it's like I'm competitive, you know?
A
Yeah. Then he has this like crazy scrambled monologue about like, he's like. He says this stuff about like. I mean, I think that like my friendship or flirtation or whatever with Ariane is like perfectly genuine. And like I. If anything, like, I'm trying to hide the details of it from the show, but like, not the other way around. Everybody's just like, what, like, what are you trying to protect? I mean, if I had Ariana yesterday, I wouldn't be telling you right now. Like, that's my point. It would make her look terrible, you know, like, would it not? I mean, that's like, like, it's like a bad look for, for sis.
B
Right?
A
Because forget Liam, forget the show. How about just Brooks and Riley? Like, just Riley. So when I hide it from, like, why hide it from the show? I mean, I'm gonna spare her. Like they're reviewing the truth, which is that like, we were flirting, but that's it.
B
Right.
A
You know what I mean?
B
Yeah. Nothing's happening. And I'm not going to tell you about it because I'm protecting her. But certainly, like, it's purposely leading.
A
Oh, such a little.
B
This guy. But he is really funny, you know?
A
He is.
B
He's a good villain. Yeah.
A
And I don't think. And he wasn't doing it with like a wry smile. I think he was like, he was really trying to explain his logic in a way that I was like, what are you saying you're telling on yourself?
B
Yeah, it's weird that he's such an asshole and he seems so detached and mean, but then he's got such a perfect insight into himself when he's like, yeah, you know, she said she didn't want to touch me with a ten foot pole. And then that really affected me and my pride. So then to overcompensate, I'm really like, he read it. He just doesn'. It's so funny.
A
Yeah.
B
He's like, yes, I'm sensitive in a very sociopathic way that makes any sense. Like, okay, got it. So then he goes to the bathroom with Liam and he's like, yeah, you know, I really need to figure out. Yeah. With Shy. Sorry. Get. Get all my skinny boys confused. He's like, yeah. Gotta really figure out the ratio of how much I, like, wanna grab Ariana's ass and stuff. You know, it's gotta be a delicate balance. She's, you know, reluctant to play Vol, but, you know, it's. It's the cameras. It's all the cameras. She doesn't wanna do it in front of the cameras. And Shy's like, like, yeah, I'm. I'm like exactly the same with the cameras up or down. Like, I don't give two shits. Like, what do I got?
A
Yeah. So we'll find out what's going on between those crazy kids.
B
Yeah, I think Charlie said that. Sorry.
A
Super.
B
It was just funny that they were both in the bathroom clearly doing coke together, talking like the cameras can't hear them. You guys, how new are you?
A
Cool? It's great. It's great. Yeah. But yeah, Charlie is really about to lose the funding for his club. That's for sure. The Georgia will get her revenge in the end.
B
Yep. All right, everybody. Well, thank you so much for being with us for another week. We will talk to you tomorrow with Real Housewives of Orange County.
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Original Air Date: August 13, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
In this lively and self-referential recap, Ben and Ronnie gleefully break down the latest episode of Next Gen NYC, focusing on the BravoCon-centric storylines, cast dynamics, and their own hilarious cameo as panel moderators. The episode captures the whirlwind energy of the BravoCon experience and the intense, sometimes petty, relationships among the young Bravo cast. The hosts revel in the absurdity, providing biting commentary, keen observations, and plenty of meta-moments about their own Bravo universe involvement.
Timestamp: 04:27–05:43; 55:22–57:06
Timestamp: 05:43–08:44
Timestamp: 08:44–12:29
“I'm just a sweet mom. I'm like, I KNOW what you did. You're lucky Solange isn't near.” – Ronnie (09:08)
Timestamp: 10:45–13:00
“If I took a beta blocker, it would be end game. Those bitches would not be able to handle my acceptance speech.” – Brooks (12:34, quoted by Ben)
Timestamp: 15:07–17:20; 36:28–38:45; 67:19–68:28
Timestamp: 30:04–31:29; 60:33–61:21
Timestamp: 41:03–44:50
Timestamp: 62:14–66:54; 75:46–76:21
“No one took Hudson off. And Hudson saw Ariana and Liam paired together with joint vegetables for Friendsgiving. And it has now kicked off a drama. And I'm like, this is actually the funniest, most relatable drama of all time.” – Ben (75:46)
Timestamp: 58:53–61:00
Timestamp: 47:18–50:47
Timestamp: 75:46–77:34
| Segment | Timestamp | |-------------------------------------------|--------------| | Ben & Ronnie cameo reaction | 04:27; 55:22 | | Cast prepping for BravoCon | 07:38–12:29 | | Shy’s afterparty story vs. Ava’s reality | 36:28–38:45 | | Panel moderation & meta-jokes | 58:53–61:21 | | Brooks/Shy confrontation | 68:34–70:07 | | Paris dinner, relationship talk | 62:14–66:54 | | Group chat/Friendsgiving drama | 75:46–76:21 | | Gia and Christian’s “future” conversation | 48:20–50:47 |
True to Watch What Crappens style, the summary is equal parts affectionate roasting and Bravo super-fan deep dive, with the hosts joyfully placing themselves in the action and never missing a chance to turn mundane details—like Friendsgiving side dishes or McDonald’s menu orders—into comedy touchpoints.
For Bravo fans and podcast listeners alike, this episode is a must-listen for its meta-commentary, insider hilarity, and expertly dissected reality TV drama.