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Watch what crap. Who cares what happens when there's so much crap? What. Happens but there's so much that happens. Hello and welcome to Watch what crap ins a podcast about all that crap on Bravo. We just love to talk about today. We are talking about the Real Housewives of Orange County. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today on a very special reconnaissance mission going into the heart of of this show, it's the one and only Ronnie Karam broadcasting remotely from where?
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Orange County.
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Orange County.
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I'm in. Oh, I was thinking, I was like, do I call it Anaheim or Orange County? I'm a Disneyland.
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I was gonna say you're in Orange County. You're in the heart of Orange County. How's it going down there?
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Like good. I went last night to the beach with my family and looked at all the people passing by. It was just like the beginning of one of these shows.
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Oh, beautiful. Well, do let us know if you happen to see Jen Pedrante walking by or Tamara.
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I saw a lot of drontes.
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Yeah, a lot of them.
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I saw about 30. Jim Pedrantis. It's funny how when you're here you're like, is that Jim Padranty? Is that Jim Pedranti? Is that Carmela? Is that Carmela? Because there's a lot of, you know, similar. I think everybody's just so in shape and like done up and you know, like the, they're all knock their little skin suits walking on the beach. They're bright pink skin suits and it is, it really is like the opening of Orange County. People playing volleyball, skateboarding, skateboarding by a lot of people doing physical activities and their skin tight clothes. It's very. I'm glad they're comfortable.
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Yes, I am. I'm glad they're comfortable as they walk along the beach with my husband, all those slots.
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Anyway, my husband. A lot of dogs and strollers, you know, okay, this is one thing I really like where they're like, we're rich and my dogs are not gonna walk
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well in, in about a week and change. Ronnie and I are both doing two separate speaking engagements. So you should come see us if you're in either of the respective cities. Ronnie's gonna be up in the Bay Area doing a cruise with Daisy and Hannah from below deck. So go join that. You can get the tickets for that on Daisy and Hannah's Instagram pages with their Lincoln bio. I'm going to be here in LA and this by the way, the same night, August 23rd, I'm going to be in LA in conversation with Martin Sorge who is the author of Great Bakes, a cookbook. And that's going to be at Friends and Family in Hollywood. And tickets for that are go to the now serving website for the cookbook shop in Los Angeles. Both events will be great. So you can either have like a Bravo moment, a below deck Bravo moment with, with Ronnie and, and the stews, or you can have a baking moment with me and Martin. And Martin won one of the great, great American baking shows, which is really cool. So come join us for that. I think it'll be really cool. And then we also have our patreon patreon.com watchwellcrapins and we did a trailer trash of the new Real Housewives of Salt Lake City trailer this week. So if you want to see us break it all down, check that out on Patreon. So that's all the good stuff. Now let's let, let's get into what I'm. Let's see. It's an episode in Vegas. They go to a restaurant called Carmela. So was this next gen New York City? Oh no, it's Orange County. We're having our second episode in two days. That takes place in Vegas at the exact same restaurant. So Bravo's been doing this a lot. Like, we've had, like, a series of Halloween episodes all of a sudden, and now we're literally having episode. We had McBee dynasty in Vegas last week. Now we have two shows in Vegas this week. I guess time to. You know, let's not. Let's. Let's. Let's mix up some of the options. Storytelling options here. Right?
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Yeah. It's pretty good, though, because this is a classic Shannon episode where Shannon is just starting to lose it because I am near an electromagnetic. I can hear it. It's coming to my bones. It's coming through my teeth, by the way. I am in a hotel, and I'm right by the ice machine, and the air conditioner here blows like this. So if my sound is a little weird today, that's why. But it's gonna go through my ear trumps. It's. It's getting my brain. Nobody understands me. I'm not a crazy person.
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It's electromagnetic fields affecting your head right now. So we start now, like, there's, like, a cold open. We're at Vicki's house, and Emily, Vicki, and Tamara are talking about going to Vegas. And Vicki's, like, tending to her. Her wounded knee. Her. She's having a battle over her wounded knee. And Vicki is like, oh, my God, look how the area is just bulging out. And Emily's like, what's your plan to navigate Vegas, Debbie Downer?
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Yeah, back in the. Vegas is going to be way too much for you. You should get a helicopter. Vicki's like, okay, I'll put that on my to do list. T. Vicki hobbling around this entire season is so season 20 of the O.C. it's just like, this is what we are now. Just. It's just problem hobbling through season 20.
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Yeah. I. I feel so bad. I feel bad for everyone who came into the season expecting, like, a dynamite season. I. I just knew it was gonna. I knew it was gonna be a tough one. Just the fact that they kept Emily and Gina. And Emily and Gina are trying to do this cosplay as if. Oh, no, we're not a dynamic duo. We are mad at each other, but we also insist that we have to be in the same room. I'm like, stop trying to. Stop trying to cater to the audience of people being like, we're sick of Emily and Gina by pretending to have a fight. Come on. You guys love each other.
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Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, the whole, like, this could be good without Emily, Gina. I mean, we've been saying that for eight years, so it's, like, tradition now.
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It is tradition. There have been really good seasons that they've been a part of, but I just think that they are.
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I think there are people with herpes who still have good days. You know what I mean?
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They're just not. They're not. I don't know. I don't know.
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Something's not.
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Something's not happening.
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Whole thing down is the point. But, yeah, maybe they just need some time to cook. Not. Not Gina and Emily, because, I mean, come on, how long do you need to leave something in the oven before you're like, it's just not working. The turkey is too frozen. But, you know, maybe the season just needs some time to cook.
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It's only up to six. Yeah, I mean, that's. That's absolutely fair. It could. I just think there's some warning signs. I think Carmela, she's sort of giving one season housewife. She's sort of reminding me of Peggy Tanis. And, you know, Vicki's not really doing anything. Shannon is overacting. The only one who's really the only. I think Heather and Tamara are the ones that are really trying to, like, make a go at this. I think they're also the two most interesting people in the cast at this point. I think that, like, my dear Shannon, who I love, like, one of my favorite housewives of all time, I think she's just, like, now gone to Catskill shtick, like, at 100% and which, by the way, is not hard to get her out of that. We just need someone to. To, like, like, trigger her. Agonize her. Yeah, someone just has to agonize her. And then we get peak Shannon again. She's very easily, like, brought back to peak, but the rest.
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Yeah, most people have, like, trigger warnings. We have trigger requests. You know, like, can we request for Shannon? Let's get some Shannon karaoke going here. But today we got one. You know, Shannon's back on track for me with her. Oh, I. I'm near an elevator now.
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It is.
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Think that's my favorite thing. I was cracking up watching that. So let's get to it, shall we?
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We're so still talking about going to Vegas.
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They're going through Vicki's greatest lines. Are you going to whoop it up in Vegas, Vicki? Oh, God, shut up. Last week we missed a recap. So sorry to everybody for that. But she kept walking around going, who do I got to whoop it? Who do I got to whoop it up to get a woohoo around here. She kept saying it over and over like, that's her new thing.
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I'm not a Debbie, by the way, of anyone. Of anyone accusing anyone of being a Debbie Downer. The fact that it comes from Emily. Normally I would say, that's rich, but maybe we'll say that's Gus. It's got a. A nice bank account. But, like, come on, Emily. She is the queen Debbie Downer of this show. Yeah.
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So Tamara's like, yeah, you're Debbie. Dana. Vicky. Oh, yeah, I'm the Debbie Downer. Look what a good sense of humor I have about that.
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I'm not sympathetic.
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It's really. You. Cheetah were like, having words like, I thought Judah was really bad. And then I thought you were really bad, too. And Emily's like, who was really bad? I'm very upset. Look at me having a plot.
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Yeah, well, it was just really bizarre. Yeah. I was very surprised when Gina said I threw her under the bus after
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I threw her under the bus.
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And we see that, because the other thing that happened is that what we may have touched on a little bit is that there's this stupid scandal over the Christian Dior clutch that came with a vibrator. And Gina's like, that's weird. And then Emily's like, yeah, Carmela. Gina says it's really weird. And she had a lot of words to say about it. She said it about you. And then she's like, what? Why am I being accused of throwing anyone under the bus?
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Yeah. Because it started with Emily being like, why would she give me a purse? It's $3,000. Trying to buy people's friendships. Who is this? And so she's telling Gina all this stuff. She's like, yeah, who gets someone a big. The $3,000? They're like that plus one to a party. Like, nobody even knows her. Nobody. If Emily had presented it and then she.
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Emily 100% did. If. If she had. If Emily had presented it to Gina, like, oh, my God, I love this girl Carmela. She is so hilarious. She got me a Dior clutch, which is fabulous. And then she get. Put a vibrator in it, too. I love a girl who just knows how to have a fun time. It's just, like, hilarious. You know, Be like, oh, my God. That's, like, so classic. But clearly she pitched it like, the way we saw her pitch it to Heather, which is. She got me a clutch, and then there was, like, a vibrator, too. And I'm like trying to understand, like, what is she trying to say? And then Gina's like, yeah, that's like, weird.
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Yeah. So last week they got in an argument about it. She's like, why would you throw me under the bus, Emily? That's crazy. So that's what they're fighting about. And it was so bad that Emily and Gina have not spoken since then. It's crazy. Will Orange county ever be the same?
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It might not be. So now we go over to lymphatic, but, well, there was some other stuff about, like, that they're gonna go to Vegas, so. Okay. And then now we go to Lymphatic by Siam. And Jen and Shannon.
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The. The name of places in Orange county really need to be worked on. And we've talked about this for years. There are a lot of just oddly named places. Lymphatic. I don't know, it sounds like lymphatic drainage or lymphatic massage or lymphatic pleasures. Lymphatic solve solutions or something. But just lymphatic by cn.
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I would call it lymphatic curtain.
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There.
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Lymphatic curtain. Think about it, everyone.
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Lymphatic curtain by seeing.
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So Jen and Shannon are going to get Brazilian lymphatic drainage. And Jen's like, oh, my God, thank you so much for this. Have Shannon. Have you ever done a Brazilian lymphatic? And Shannon's like, is that like in the vagina? And then the woman. The front desk is like, it's not on that part of the body, lady. It's called. You put Brazilian in it. What do you. And then you could put everyone into, like, tiny G strings. What? Don't shade our sweet Shannon for making that assumption.
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Well, it's either your. Your vagina or your butt, because there's a Brazilian butt lift and then there's a Brazilian wax.
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That's fair.
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So could be either end, either side, either end, either side. What's horizontal? Okay. So they go to their room to change. And this is a wacky Shannon scene.
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Like, whoa, whoa.
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Putting plastic on me. I'm going into a red machine. Here to. I'm here to get a Brazilian
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Shannon. Who Shadow does not want electro magnetic radiation from elevators getting too close to her head. But she's willing to, like, put herself in like, a infrared phone booth and get zapped in all the nether regions.
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She's fine with going into a life sized, like, checkout scanner at a grocery store just standing there.
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So I just want to talk about Vegas a little bit. I'VE never hosted the girls, so I'm taking them somewhere that I know is fun at some point. As much as Ryan and I have spent in Vegas, we have a lot of good connections. Like, I know I'm going to show these girls a good time. I think even Heather may be impressed. I'm just gonna check my notes. I have a star chart here and a fortune cookie. And no, the answer is Heather will not be impressed. Heather will not be.
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There is nothing you can do to impress Heather in Las Vegas.
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You can take her to Grandlock's Cafe, and Heather will have already been to Grandlock's restaurant.
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Yeah, she's. Heather's not going to be impressed. And I like when. When Jen said, oh, we have so many. Ryan has so many connections in Vegas. We know. Didn't he just testify against his gambling ass business partner a couple of years ago?
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Yeah. I don't know if Heather's gonna be so impressed that Ryan's got the connect at the Golden Nugget Casino. Like, she gets an extra bucket of shrimp cocktail.
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So Shannon's being wacky and talking about how she used to duct tape herself to look thinner. And then we see flashbacks to Shannon getting wrapped in duct tape going, Okay, so then Jen. So Shannon's talking about how she's so grateful. It's the mecca, Orange county, the mecca of alternative, healthy treatments. Heidi, I would like to have a body like my friend Jen. Do whatever you need to do. And he's like, that requires a lot of working out. How dare you? How dare you?
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You.
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You know what I've been through. You know how hard this is for me right now.
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I'm sorry. I don't understand the request.
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You don't understand the requests?
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That's probably because you're sleeping with my husband.
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There, I said it.
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I'm not afraid to say it.
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I will say the truth because that's what I do. You will all hear the truth.
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All right.
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Because Heidi is the virtual assistant inside the infrared machine. So they're like, just tell Heidi what you want. Heidi. I would like peace and happiness and less stress. I do not know how to do that, ma'. Am. Let me play you a song by Adele.
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Heidi, Hello. This is Shannon Bedor here. Do you have any marketing strategies to get salmon stuffed with cream cheese to a larger audience? Thank you so much.
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It's all about that base. That base, that base. No trouble. Oh, I'm so sick of that woman. Please stop playing her every time I turn on my virtual assistant. Still torturing me to this Very day, years ago, I was like, why is it every time I turn on Amazon music, they're playing some Meghan Trainer song? I've had it. It's still. It still happens. Megan Trainer still comes on there all the time.
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What if she's still part of the culture? Megan Trainor is still. Yes, she's still popping up. She. I mean, she's part of the toxic mom group. You know, she's in that Hillary Duff, Mandy Moore mom group that what's her face rebelled against, which I think is hilarious. That, of course Megan Trainor is in there. I would like Megan Trainer to.
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Would you say that Crystal rebelled against. No, that was.
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No, no, no. The toxic Ashley. What's her Face from High School Musical. I want to say Ashley Parker angel, but that's not the same Ashley Tisdale.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Now that's someone they should put on one of the Real Housewives because she. She could like, she could regale everyone with what it's like to be traumatized with friend groups like K. Michelle.
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Let's go to a place called the Goldfinch and Heather, Gina and Carmela.
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Very good book. I made it about a quarter of the way through before I realized I'm probably too stupid for this book.
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I never read it. I wish I had because I would make a great literary joke right now. But yeah. So Heather, Gina and Carmela arrive at the Goldfinch, and Gina's looking around like, oh, my God, I've only been to the plastic Finch. This is like, so nice, Heather. Thanks for inviting me.
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Oh, my God. This is crazy that you're bringing me here because last night, me and Travis, I made the. I made dinner for the family and we had goldfish.
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I wish America would finally catch up to Europe. We need purse tools. Okay, Gina, get on all fours. All right. And I guess that's close enough.
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I love that Heather's only worried about the birth stools. I mean, that could have meant so many things. I wish we would just catch up to Europe. I mean, health care, let's just start there.
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Environment, food quality. We need purse tools. We need personals.
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America really needs to get it together right now. I need somewhere to put my purse. Okay, thank you.
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The most depressing. Excuse me. Excuse me. Alfredo. Alfredo. Table 13 over here. Is there another floor to this restaurant that has per stools in it? We'd like to be at that section. Thank you.
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Yeah, actually, that's true. Because when I was in Paris with Emily, they kept bringing us something. And the butter purses on. I was like, wow. Do you think that they were just being ironic? Were they trash cans?
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They were just probably bringing over chairs to be like, let's take all the Americans at the same small communal table.
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Like, please bring this woman something to put her Ziploc on top of.
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No, seriously, is. Here's a stool for you to put your hefty bag full of laundry on while you eat your muscles.
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There's like, well, well, just keep rubbing that in that trip to Paris. Let's see your friendship bracelet. Can't wait to see that. Wow. Let's just go over another way. I've been left out in this group before. We even have appetizers.
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Heather Debro, this is the saddest thing you've ever done, which is complain about being left out of Heather and G. I mean, Emily and Gina's friendship. Like, you can't go from last season bragging about being next door neighbors with Drake to this season saying, like, wow, they just never hang out with me. Like, just let them. Let them have their economy plus friendship. And you just go. Go hang out with your wine friends again.
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It's just not a relatable storyline, but it's very Heather. I know. Who else is thinking, God, I wish I could get more of Gina and Emily's relationship. Nobody. Nobody's thinking nobody. Nobody's out. You're the first person who's ever said that.
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I actually do really like the sentiment behind Heather's storyline because I think that's actually a really, like, universal thing that can happen for some. For some of us, which is like, I'm looking for my buddy. I'm looking for my people. Like, I'm in this group, but I don't have that person. Everyone else has that person. I think that's actually shockingly relatable that Heather has stumbled into the storyline. I just don't need to see it applied towards Heather and Gina. Like, apply it to literally anyone else. But not Heather and I'm sorry, not Emily and Gina.
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Well, it's rough for Heather because she had that whole season where she's like, gina, I'm gonna take you in. I'm going to buy you a leather jacket, and I'm going to go through your crawl space and look at your old wedding dress and talk you into getting rid of it. You know, she's. She did that whole charity season where she's like, look at me, normal Heather. And she still didn't have a friend.
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Yeah, that's actually. It's really sad. I actually feel so bad. I feel me at Heather because I actually feel like I can see it all over her. And we actually find out that this is. This traces all the way back to her childhood. She Just wants a best friend. Oh, well, money it is.
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So, unfortunately, she's also Heather.
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She said there.
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Yeah,
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She's so funny. So Heather is really upset that they went to Paris without her. And Heather's like, you're just gonna pick a scab over here over and over again? I never want to feel left out. I'm probably never gonna get over this Paris thing. Seeing also, two poor people have the better time in Paris than me, a rich person. It just doesn't make sense.
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Yeah, Heather does not want to go to Paris with these two. I mean, come on. Even on a cast trip, she'd be like, oh, gosh, that's French, by the way. That's French. Emily, are you literally picking a scab right now? Well, you brought it up. Weird. We're a bunch.
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Let me tell you what going to Paris with Emily and Gina is. It's 16 straight hours of them standing at a respectable distance from the Eiffel Tower and taking a picture as if they're poking the top of it. Okay, now you do it. Now you do it.
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Okay, I want to do it.
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I want to do it well. I want to do it again. I want to do it again.
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Look, if I stand like this and you take a picture, it looks like the Eiffel Tower is picking my nose. Hold on.
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I want to lean like this. It looks like I'm leaning on the Eiffel Tower. Is it like. Does the optical illusion look on camera?
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You know, half their time is spent trying to find an in and out. And it like T.J. maxx.
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Yeah.
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In Paris.
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And then doing goofy things like Emily eating a crepe but letting half the crepe dangle off her chin. Like, what is this food? I thought it was, like, a pancake.
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Can I get your name for your coffee? Emily. I'm Emily in Paris.
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Emily in Paris. Coming soon to Netflix.
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Gina tells us. I mean, doesn't Heather have her own plane? Like, can't she just go anytime she wants to Paris?
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Maybe we need to go to Paris while we're in Las Vegas. That's the sort of comedy you will get when you hire me, Heather Dubrow, to be your buddy only.
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But lines like that only come from television stars like me, Heather Dubrow. Because when she said that, she really did do a maybe we need to go to Paris in Vegas. She did her 80s. It was like smile to the camera.
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It was like end of episode created by Paul Jonger Wit, you know? Yes. So.
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Yeah.
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But by the way, what did you guys think of our dinner? Last night. And Carmela, who's actually been here this entire time's, like, that was fun. So Gina's like, what are you going to do with Jan, by the way? Because the big. The other thing that happened last episode is to me, a rather humdrum revelation that the women are totally scandalized by, which is that Carmela invited Jen to, like, come join her on a project. Because Jen's like, I'd like to. I'm interested in that. She's like, oh, well, come on my project. I'll show you some stuff. And they're like, what? How could Carmela do that? What is that? She's not even a real developer. And Jen's not a developer. She does yoga and parking lots. How could they?
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I think that they were more scandalized by the fact that Carmela's like, oh, yeah, she's gonna come help me decorate a house and pick out tiles. I love empowering women. I'm gonna pay her, like, $20,000. That. Oh, yeah, there was that, like, what, $20,000? No, that is buying friends. Now, on the other hand, I think Carmela is just trying to be nice and make friends, you know? And Heather's been on this show trying to make friends with her money for years, you know, but they did have a problem with Heather doing it, too. Like, they did call Heather out, too. So I guess fair is fair.
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Well, yeah, she probably should not have announced how much she was going to pay Jen. But the truth is, with this group, you're sort of screwed, because if you don't pay enough, it's like she's. She's taking advantage of Jen. She's only paying Jen $5,000. That's like, crazy. And then if you pay too much, it's like, oh, my God, she's, like, trying to buy a friendship. Like, you really have to get your pricing down, otherwise they'll always have an issue. And the thing is, the one who always has an issue with any of this stuff is always gonna be Gina. Everyone else, like, literally doesn't. I don't think that Heather cares. I don't think anyone cares. And Emily, they always care about this
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because they're the ones care about stupid things.
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Yeah, they're the ones living in, like, split level, you know, they're not even split level ranches. They're just little generic houses, like, perfectly nice, cute houses. But they're not, like, in mansions. So they're the ones who are most sensitive to financial things.
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But they're right that none of this makes sense. I mean, we're we're seeing Ryan's house where Jen lives now, and that's a very nice house. But let's think back to Jen's original house where she was living before she moved in with her with Ryan. That was not. That was a very. That was. It's just not known for its. She's not known for her taste. I mean, a couple of weeks ago, the whole plot line was, let's go through Jen's terrible closet of ugly clothes and make fun of how hideous her taste is. And now it's like, you know what? She just should pick out tiles for a house. I'm. I trust this woman wearing a feather turtleneck. Mini. Micro. Mini, you know?
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But Carmela's gonna Cher things, guys. It's all like, you gotta start somewhere. It's called tutelage. All right?
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Like, yeah, I think that's.
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You know, I think. Listen, quite frankly, I think the Dior clutch, it was too much. I think the vibrator. I think she was trying to have a gag moment. Whatever. I think $20,000 is a huge amount to pay to someone who has no experience and possibly terrible taste. But I think overall, the. This is how she's decided to squander her money. So just let her squander her money. If she's doing it to try to, like, win over the hearts of these people, good for her. Because if she didn't, we already see how hostile they are to her anyway. So, like, I don't know. I think they just need to. They need to zip it.
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Yeah. Yeah. I think she's ultimately being nice. Listen, at least she's trying to be friends. She's not immediately doing what a lot of people do, which is try to come in and make drama and villainize people, you know?
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Yeah.
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She's actually pretty good at just waiting for them to. With her, and. Because then she's gonna. So, like, she's gonna eat Vicki up at some point, right in the. In the previews for the season that she's gonna let Vicki have it, which, you know, she's just waiting. She's like, here's the rope. Just keep taking the rope.
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And she. You know, they. They came for her. Gina came really hard for her last episode, and I was a little disappointed that Carmela. I felt, like, let her off at the end, you know, because, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, I want to
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feel bad, and I want to get to know you.
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And Carmel's like, geez, okay, great. Well, I'm glad you told me. I'm really glad you told me. I'm like, no, be like you. Why are you calling me out? Shoulder pads. So anyway, Carmela is.
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That's true. But she. I think she really is slope. I'm hoping. Fingers crossed. I'm giving Carmela a lot of, you know, hope here, but I hope that she is just slow playing this because there's nobody who grew up. Well, not grew up. Sorry, that's gross to say it that way. But there's nobody who came up in the Hugh Hefner world of, like, living in all that weird housing with all of those bunnies and doesn't know how to stand up for herself against other women. Like, she's gonna be. She's gonna be able to take care of it. So I'm just waiting for her to handle it.
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Yeah, I would like to see that. So Carmela, they're wondering, so again, Gina asked Carmela what's going on with Jen in this whole situation. And Carmela is like, well, you know, she goes, I thought about getting into real estate, and I said, you should try a project with me, and I'll show you what. What to do, what I do. And for her to actually get, like, to, you know, to learn the process, because I think that would be kind of, like, a good value for her. And Heather goes, that makes more sense. Like, that's exactly how it was last episode, too.
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She's like, I want to just about the $20,000 part. So Heather's like, oh, that sounds. That sounds good phrase.
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Like that.
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That sounds great.
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Well, I am all for women helping women, which is why I start every season going after women. Like the time I went after Jen for being born, not being able to afford her rent, or for the fact that, like, I started this season questioning whether you're actually a developer because of I. For no reason whatsoever. So I'm all about that. But, like, Carmela does require capital, and Jen does not have that capital to support that kind of business. So now. So last episode, they were mad that Carmela was paying Gen 20,000. And now Gina thinks that Carmel is going to have. That Gina's. That Jen's going to have to pay Carmela.
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Okay, well, basically, they're mad that she. They think that they're. She's using. She's ultimately using Jen because she's saying, okay, I'll give you 20,000, doll, but it's for the connect to Ryan, who's rich, and then Ryan can develop projects with her. So they're saying she's kissing ass by trying. She's trying to kiss ass to get money from Ryan. To which I say, gina, isn't that why you were kissing Heather's ass? I mean, that was literally one of the storylines on the show was you being called out for saying something like, I'm not going to with Heather. Like, my business is real estate, and those are all my connections. It's through Heather. How else am I going to sell something that's not an old person's home condo?
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Yeah. And Gina would probably push back and saying, I never said that I had there's a real friend. To which I then say, exhibit the Elizabeth Vargas. So, like, you have a history of cozing up to wealthy women. And by the way, you should. Cuz that's what you do in real estate. So that's the thing. It's like if, if. If Carmela is using Jen to get to Ryan's money. Sure. Like, that's what she's doing. Like, that's what, you know, like, I. I just think that, like, honestly, Gina's just jealous. Gina is wildly jealous now. Now Jen is getting money out of this. Emily got a clutch. And Gina's got what, a cocktail napkin? She's very upset to be left out of this, out of this cash flow.
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It's annoying. And it's like, what, are you gonna get mad at a customer service line for asking you to press 2 for Spanish? No, it's what they do. It's in their nature.
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That's exactly.
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She's a salesperson. She's gonna go for her lead. And that's it.
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It's the classic story of the scorpion and the frog. In this case, the scorpion has a. Has a call center and asks the frog if it needs to speak Spanish. It's in its nature. Yeah.
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So Tamara's like, well, I mean, actually, I kind of agree. It shouldn't have real estate Latin shouldn't have general contact lat like j can just go out and say, I'm gonna get a job with the developer. I shoot no, but she can go out and start flipping houses if she sees how to flip a house. You don't have to have all these licenses to flip a house.
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Maybe she'll be inspired to get her license. Like, are people not allowed to on ramp onto onto a new career? So Gina's like, you know, it's kind of like kidnapping, skipping a couple steps. And I like, also kind of feel like Carmela should know that. I'm like, she's shadowing Carmela. Carmela is being a mentor to her. I mean, Carmela could wind up being a complete, you know, crook. And I hope. In fact, I hope she does. I. I would love that. But quite frankly, too, actually, this is. This is just Gina being wildly jealous.
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Yeah. And saying skipping a couple of steps, picking out tiles is literally the first step. She gave. She gave. She gave Jen Pedranti the contract to build the freeway overpass. That's dangerous. It's like picking a tile. Calm down.
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I know. Seriously, relax yourself. So Heather's like, oh, Carmela, what does your boyfriend do? Is he in television? Is he Drake? And Carmela's like, he's a general contractor.
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Oh.
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So do you guys work together?
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So Carmel is like, well, we've worked together in the past. It just doesn't work. We fight. And, like, I don't want to bring that home to my kids. So I just moved away from my kids so that I can really just not be around the fighting at all. It's great.
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Yes. And by the way, on something that has never been said to Wendy Malik after wrapping an episode of a TV Land sitcom, I thought you were great last night. It's hard to be at a table with this group and have people firing things at you.
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Yeah. And I was, like, so happy that we had time to talk about things face to face. But, like, Shannon was really getting on my nerves because she kept saying so much stuff. And Heather's like, oh, yeah, Shannon was very mad at you. There was a running comment. Well, it was. It was. Shannon said. It was a. It was a walking commentary. Shannon. There was a lying down, yet still falling over and waving her arms going, commentary. Very upset.
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Yeah. I was, like, I was, like, waiting to talk to Carmela, and, like, I wanted to hear from Carmela why she bought the gift. And it was like, Chad just kept, like, wanting to speak for him. It was, like, irritating Gina, you're. You came in hot, and you basically attacked Carmela at this table, and you put her, like, on blast, and Shannon's, like, defending her. And now you're like, oh, I can't believe Shannon was, like. Was, like, acting this way after you were the one being the monster at the table. And now you're gonna reframe it. Like, oh, you and Carmela were just having some civil, polite conversation, and you just asked some polite questions and just wanted to hear from Carmela. You're making accusations, and you're being downright rude to her. Her. And Shannon's like, don't do that. She's my fellow sister from Rancho Santa Rancho. And, you know, and, like, Like, I'm sorry. I will not accept this. Reframing. Yeah.
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Mom's Gina for you. She's like, I'm just so innocent. Shannon's Shannon really pissed me off. Like, we're trying to get to know her, like, and I. She needs a voice. And, like, Shannon was, you know, trying to take away her voice.
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Voice.
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I'm just standing up for the voiceless women of wonder, counting against Shannon Bedor women.
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Voice killer Gina, claiming that she's just trying to get to know Carmella and she needs to have a voice. You were the one talking over Carmela. You're the one railroading her, and you were the one passing, like, all sorts of judgment on her based off of, like, just a shred of awareness of her. So, like, I. Like, I'm sorry.
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Sports, you know, like, someone's like, oh, they can't keep pushing me down in soccer. And, you know, there's always, like, the dad in the group who's like, yeah, you need to get up, and you need to learn to fight. That's how Gina's being right now, you know? Like, I can't believe that, like, let her take care of herself. She's in a group of girls. Like, she needs to learn how to fight us, like, off. She shouldn't have to, like, sit down in one of her. Every single time. Actually, she gets with you guys that you're coming for her. You know, she didn't do anything to you. Now, this. This is the part that I love of recapping these shows. We're standing up so hard for Carmela. Like, now we don't know anything about Carmela, and we are probably going to regret all of this in the future. But for.
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We're not standing.
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We're not standing up for. Versus Gina and Gina sex the most.
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Exactly. We're not standing up for Carmela. We're standing against Gina's sanctimonious claims.
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So I stand for women. I stand for women.
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So Carmela's like, you are 100, right? It is nice. She was supportive, and I did appreciate that she was supportive. Yeah.
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Just, like, weird, because, like, that's, like,
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not really this Shannon that I know. You don't know Shannon Bedor to, like, make a running, quiet commentary under her breath, which is. Well, it's just not what I know. It's like. Well, I wouldn't say that. Well, it just keeps on going. I mean, this is just, like, absolutely crazy. I mean, I don't know what you're even talking about. This is what I've never seen anything like that.
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Is that nacho free? Well, someone has their cell phone a little bit close to my right leg and I cannot feel my right leg now. Okay, okay. It was my cell phone. My cell phone's okay. It's fine.
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I do feel bad.
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I feel bad. And I did start speaking for Carmela and I wanted to support her and to defend her. You know what I'm saying, Jen? Yeah, I thought that was so nice of you.
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And Gina was on my ass. I mean, talking to me like a little kid. I felt like I was getting scolded. Get off my back. You talk to you talk family all the time. I'm left to talk to some talk for somebody sometimes. That's a woman who grew up in a rancho that had boats and she's probably familiar with boats. And I grew up on boats and everyone knows it. I have anchor pants.
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We're all allowed to speak up for our buddies. That's the first rule of.
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Of having a buddy.
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Oh, sorry, Heather. So then Jen. Jen is like
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Cut to Heather. To Bro in 1984. Mother. This is not a my buddy. It's a Teddy Ruxpin. It is not my buddy.
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I got you on my buddy. He ran out of the box and left. I'm so sorry.
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You were walking on a main road with my buddy in Chappaqua. I'm sorry, My buddy is revoked. You cannot be walking on Route 172.
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Jen is saying Gina and Emily, I mean, like, they were quipping at each other a little bit. Well, she felt like Emily threw her under the bus. Well, I asked Gina at the wine tasting. I said, are you okay with your friendship with Emily? Right now we really need to discuss your. Your relationship with Emily. What is going to happen with Gina and Emily? We need to talk about it for five more episodes. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for the scene. Thank you so much for lymphatic. Thank you, C.M. thank you.
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Oh, thanks. C.N. that's. That's short for C.N.
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at the start convention.
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So then, like, okay, Shannon, I don't know why you're so mad at CN. She shamed me about the Brazilian. So Carmela is talking bench. It's cold back. The goldfinch.
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Carmela's like, is Emily okay? Because your conversation with Emily, that was a lot Gina, she's like, I know. Yeah, that was my point. Like, I understand she straws, but like, she's got a lot of stuff going on at home. Right? We all do. But, like, you've upset Becky. Okay, well, that's probably not the one to start your lift lift list off. Crosswalks upset Vicki. Everything upsets Vicki.
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Yeah, like, you can't upset Victoria. Like, that's so mean to do that. And like, you've upset Heather and then you've upset me, and I'm just like, trying to get you to see something and see that you've, like, hurt your friends feelings.
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But here's the difference. If anyone else had said that to you, you would have, you know, you would have gone nuclear. New clear. Like, I know. I don't disagree with you, but I was trying to grant her grace because she's my best friend, and that's why it's starting to irritate me. Or as they say in French, like, please leave. Well, I write to refuse service to anyone. That means you, and you're disgusting. Go take your Ziploc with you.
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Well, I never question Emily's loyalty to me, ever. And it does feel like when I'm not in rooms right now, she's like, talking about me. That's like an icky feeling. What are you doing right now? You're literally talking about Emily at Goldfinch. In lieu of a purse, stool, and Luba personal, you've got the ghost of Emily that you're just punching.
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Yeah. So she goes on and on like she's going to talk to Emily. She wants it to be calm and blah, blah, blah. So then we go to Emily's house and Emily and Shane are with Annabelle and they're like, whoa, I need you to move your clothes because we're moving your room. We're giving you a new room. We had to give the boys separate rooms. And then my other kids feel terrible because my one kid has all these problems. So I was like, geez, then I have to be nice to the other kids. They really were over by that kid with problems. I'm so sick of them.
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Yeah.
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I hate how Emily talks about her kids. Is that weird? Like, we talk about kids kind of in a harsh way on tv. And I know Emily is just like being a mom. It's not really mom shaming. It's just. Just. Yeah, I guess it is. I don't like how she talks about her kids sometimes on tv. I think it's like it's too much. Like she goes from sharing way too much that she doesn't even know is a fact yet. Like his diagnosis and all of this she's worried about. It's like she's not thinking, like, what is he gonna deal with at school from everybody else saying all this? And now she's like, yeah, all the kids, you know, I have to suffer because of him. And I understand that her problems are real. It's like I'm not even taking away from her problem. I'm not making fun of her problem. It's just. It rubs me the wrong way how she talks about her kid. I just don't like it. Yeah, there was a 20 minute way of saying doesn't.
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It doesn't rub me in the wrong way as much. You know, I feel like she's just saying, like, this is what I'm dealing with. And like, it's difficult with kids and they have different needs and whatever. My only concern is that this, like, I would hate for this kid to. I would hate for any of these kids to see this because I think they would. I would just be scared that they would take the wrong lessons from it, you know, like, it's all my fault that the family is go. Has so much, so many, like, so much acrimony right now or like, oh, what about us? I just. I. I just feel like kids are so sensitive, and I just. I. I would worry about unintended repercussions. That's my. That's my. Really, my concern. I. I appreciate that she's being honest
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and telling us, but that's kind of my issue with it. You know? It's like, yeah, I appreciate. Yeah. Now the kids. I don't.
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Well, the other thing is, like, you know, for someone who is sitting here complaining that Vicki is a Debbie downer, which, by the way, Vicki is. I mean, this has been like, you know, every season with Emily. It's like, my kid. Well, like, there's an issue with my kid. Here's an issue with my other kids. Here's an issue with my mom. She doesn't like. Here's an issue with the dog. My door knobs don't work. It's like, oh, God. Every time we go to Emily's interior life, it's just.
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It's just so.
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It's so awful. Yeah.
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So we have another scene with her and Shane, and basically they're getting a new room for Annabelle. Annabelle doesn't want to live downstairs, but she's going to have to live downstairs. And she even got a built in, you know, makeup thingy, vanity, whatever. So. Yeah. And so they're talking about that, and Emily's saying, well, you know, now I have to deal with Annabelle not liking a room. And she's like, she'll like her room. She'll be fine. Okay. I love how you're just like, she'll be fine. He goes, okay, yes, dear. If that's all I can say, then yes, dear. Oh, God.
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You know, it's just hard to find joy in each other. There aren't a lot of soft things going on in my heart or soul and just, like, very contagious. Okay, well, it's funny that you say that, because I feel like the viewers feel the same way. So now we got a car.
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Not contagious, but. Oh, I mean, it is not contagious. You know, you watch an Emily scene, and it's like, oh, my God, my life sucks. I don't want to live behind the laundry room either.
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Carmela. Over at Carmela's World, she and Danny, her boyfriend, are sitting in the kitchen, and she is talking about, I need window treatments. I'm pretty sure the entire neighborhood is tired of seeing me naked. It's like a fishbowl. I'm, like, hungry. I can't even think I'm eating Cupcakes. Ah. So she gives herself a shot.
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And this is really why I liked Carmela. I think now that I see it here in writing, this is what made me like her. Carmela's like, I have onset adult diabetes of the diaboodies. And it's like terrible. I could die at any moment. I'm gonna give myself this insulin shot. And then she eats pizza and cupcakes on camera. And I'm like, yeah, that's my girl. Don't let that onset whatever bring you down, sister.
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Well. Or as it's called in Orange county, insulin curtain.
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Lymphatic diabetes.
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Waiting for a third one. Everyone keep an eye on an ear out for this up. We gotta have a third one before. But by the time we end this episode, it will happen. We'll make it happen.
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So she talks about her diagnosis as she eats tiny nothing bunt the cakes, which. God, I love those things. God, I love that they are so good.
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You do?
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I really do. We get them for every niece birthday because they're all gluten free, you know, so love them. They're a big part of my life. Nothing bu. The cakes. So then, okay, now let's get into it. The real part of this scene is not disease or cupcakes. It's this man you're with. What are you doing, lady? What are you. This guy, Danny. First of all, it's Tom Sandoval's father. I don't know why we're pretending. His name is Danny.
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Tom. He reminds me of Eric Estrada, but that's neither here.
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It's like a nice cross between those two.
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Eric Estrada, very nice cross, very nice hybrid.
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So they start talking about his infidelity because he cheated on her a few years ago. And she has a wall of resentment, but she still loves him and she wants to forgive him. And he's like, huh? Yeah, you know, I understand the anger, but I'm trying to fix these things. It's like, oh my God, you can't even see that I'm trying. It's just like, fair, fair, fair. Jesus Christ, how many times can I not fuck somebody for you to trust that I'm not going to fuck somebody else? Like, I haven't fucked anybody else for days now. What do you want from me?
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It's been days and days and days. She's like, but you were not. Here's the thing, you were. When you were cheating on me, you were really nice to me, like. So I don't know what to do because now if you're nice to Me? I'm like, are you cheating on me? What do I do? Do you want to pick out tiles that might help me?
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He's like, babe, look at my penis. Where is it right now? Not inside another woman. Exactly. That's my point.
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Okay, let's just. Okay. Help me pack to Vegas so I can cheat on you and then you can know what it's like. Okay.
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This whole thing, I was like, oh, no. Because she tells us, you know, like, we're trying to build rebuild trust. But then he just lies about everything. He lies about, like, insignificant things. Like, if you're gonna lie about the color of underwear you have on, you're definitely gonna lie about other things. Yeah. Then you should. If this man is, like, a compulsive liar and a cheater and the Danny's like, what? I. I don't even know. I mean, I have not been that person in, like, for so long. I'm a totally different. It's four years. You're not that different of a person, Danny.
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You know, bangs make lie detector tests from last season's. Like, let me have him. Let me have him. Oh, God. What color is your underwear? Oh, yeah. Nailed him to the cross.
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Yeah. He lied to me about his underwear. So she's saying he was there for me when my marriage fell apart and he saw what pain that was. So did she meet him right after the mayor? I mean, I guess that's what that.
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I guess so, right?
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Because I heard that and I was like, were you cheating with Danny? And now Danny's cheating, and you're always wondering why Danny's cheating, but you're more forgiving because you were cheating with Danny. But that's all in my head. She never said that.
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I personally think a guy who comes and helps you pick up the pieces directly after you have major heartbreak and you happen to be a playmate of the year, they're going to be a very trustworthy person. And I would not call them an opportunist or, you know, looking to get their dick wet. So I think she has nothing to worry about. I think everything's gonna be fine.
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Yeah. One thing that's looking here is gonna happen. I feel like there's a lot of stability coming forth from this storyline, so good for them. Good for those guys. Congratulations, you've reached the end of part one of a two part recap for part two. Go look for the recap that says part two. See you over there, suckers.
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Date: August 14, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
This episode of Watch What Crappens dives into Part One of the Real Housewives of Orange County (RHOC) Season 20, Episode 6, “Ain’t No Buddy Loves Me Better.” Ben and Ronnie revel in classic OC absurdity—highlighting the cast’s emotional entanglements, over-the-top drama, new housewives, and Bravo’s questionable Las Vegas restaurant re-use. With their signature wit and affectionate snark, the hosts dissect shifting alliances, manufactured friendships, and the nuances of Bravo’s storytelling in a season full of wobbly dynamics and purse drama.
On Season Fatigue:
“I feel bad for everyone who came into the season expecting a dynamite season. I just knew… it was gonna be a tough one.”
—Ben Mandelker, [07:13]
On Shannon’s Catskill Streak:
“My dear Shannon… now gone to Catskill shtick at 100%.”
—Ben Mandelker, [08:39]
On American Priorities:
“Purse stools. We need purse stools! America really needs to get it together right now. I need somewhere to put my purse!”
—Ronnie Karam, [22:28]
On Friendship Economics:
“If you don’t pay enough, it’s like, ‘She’s taking advantage.’ If you pay too much, ‘She’s buying friends.’”
—Ben Mandelker, [29:47]
On Carmela’s Motives:
“She’s ultimately being nice. At least she’s trying to be friends… not coming in and villainizing people.”
—Ronnie Karam, [31:59]
On Annabelle’s Bedroom Drama:
“You watch an Emily scene, and it’s like, Oh my God, my life sucks. I don’t want to live behind the laundry room either.”
—Ronnie Karam, [51:40]
On Carmela & Danny’s Relationship:
Ben: “A guy who comes and helps you pick up the pieces right after you have major heartbreak… very trustworthy. I think everything’s gonna be fine.”
Ronnie: “Yeah. One thing that’s looking here is gonna happen—stability!”
([56:20–56:41], both hosts joking)
Part One of the RHOC S20E06 recap finds Ben and Ronnie at their snarky best—playfully skewering the franchise’s long-running tropes, the cast’s transparently manufactured drama, and the economics of friendship in Orange County. Memorable moments include Shannon’s escalating quirks, Heather’s neediness, and Carmela navigating the skeptical OC old-guard. As always, the real entertainment lies in Ben and Ronnie’s camaraderie, sharp one-liners, and ability to wring comedy from every awkward Bravo moment.
Stay tuned for Part Two of this recap for the conclusion of their RHOC deep-dive!