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After 25 years at the NSA, Phyllis Lee now helps shape the CIS Critical Security Controls used by organizations around the world. In this episode of Sentinel Blue’s The Watchers, she explains why fear-based cybersecurity messaging fails, why compliance frameworks overwhelm defenders, and why software vendors must take more responsibility for security. The conversation also explores MSP culture, secure-by-design thinking, AI optimism, and the widening gap between cybersecurity policy and operational reality.

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