All the President’s Tools - The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart

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Hey everybody. Welcome to the weekly show. It is July 23rd on a Wednesday, coming out on a Thursday. And let me just begin with what a week this, this I'm, I, I can't even get into the late show Daily show of it all. Watch Stevens from Monday. Watch hours from Monday. I think you'll get a sense of, of, of how we're feeling and, and just how tenuous this moment. Oddly enough, the episode today is about levers of power and coercion from the government and how they use their power to, to, to manipulate and to get what they want and to, and to force people into the, the authoritarian tendencies. And it's, it's hard to even focus on it with. I mean every day now is a new. There was another Epstein Dropbox. You know, the, your iPhone bringing up memories of us. Like there's another. It's them, it's Epstein and Trump at a wedding. Now there's all these photos. It's them dancing. There's, you know, video of them getting matching tattoos and eating spaghetti like lady and the Tramp. Like their relationship, the, the weirdness of it all. And God, thank God social media wasn't around in those times. We'd be, we'd be watching on a loop on CNN and MSNBC the, the tiktoks that Epstein and Trump make in Cabo with beauty pageant contestants like they very clearly dug each other in a deep Starsky and Hutch kind of a way until whatever happened. And all his attempts at, you know, as each new video and photo drop comes out, he gets more unhinged by. There should be firing squads for NPR hosts. You know, he's just losing his mind. And there's nothing that can distract from any of this unless Hunter Biden decides to go out and drop a three hour mixtape of his nuttiness, which is what he did the gift that, that gives some giving, which he said. He goes, oh, my dad had a bad debate, but he was on Ambien. And I'm like, that doesn't make it better, dude. Like, it calls into question the decision making of the whole team. Dad, you got the most important night of your life. You got to be sharp. Here's a couple of Quaaludes to take the edge off so that you're ready to really rock that thing. What was the thing he said? He said something crazy. He goes, oh, he was, he was talking about the deportations and how angry he is about him. He goes, if I, if I'm president in two or three or four whatever years, I'm going to call them up and go, I'm invading you unless you give those people back. And I'm just like, hunter, dig the hypothetical, but I don't think it's going to be a worry for you that that's going to be the thing that happens. So, but, but the main thing is still the main thing. I mean, Donald Trump using every arm of the federal government to intimidate and bully and push things in his direction, and the general compliance that appears to be at the root of all of his power, this fight against him through all legal and ethical means has to be, has to be turned up, as they would say on spinal tap to 11. All of these institutions have to fight back to get to that conversation. Actually, I think our guests today are going to be incredibly apropos to discuss what that sort of coercion looked like in the past, how it has changed, what are the various things. So let's, let's get to them now. First of all, I'm delighted to welcome our guests for the program today. Preet Bahara, who is the former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, a podcast host. Stay tuned with Preet. He was appointed by Obama in 2009. He was fired by one Donald Trump in 2017. We've got Dan Pfeiffer, co host of Pod Save America. He's an author. He's got Message Box, which is a newsletter about political strategy. And he was a senior advisor to Obama for Strategy and Communications, 2013-2015. Gentlemen, welcome to the podcast.

Summary

Summary of "All the President’s Tools" Episode of The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart

Release Date: July 24, 2025
Host: Jon Stewart
Guests: Preet Bharara (Former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York) and Dan Pfeiffer (Co-host of Pod Save America)

Introduction: The Mechanics of Executive Power

In this episode titled "All the President’s Tools," Jon Stewart delves into the intricate ways presidents leverage their authority to influence and manipulate independent government agencies. Stewart sets the stage by reflecting on a tumultuous week marked by revelations linking Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, illustrating the pervasive reach of executive power in contemporary politics.

Jon Stewart [00:53]: "This episode is about levers of power and coercion from the government and how they use their power to manipulate and force people into authoritarian tendencies."

The Role of Executive Power: Influence and Coercion

Jon Stewart introduces his guests, Preet Bharara and Dan Pfeiffer, to explore how presidents exert influence over independent agencies. He emphasizes the shift from traditional norms to more aggressive utilizations of executive authority, particularly under Trump's administration.

Jon Stewart [05:37]: "How presidents use the leverage of their office and the varieties of independent agencies that exist within the executive."

Dan Pfeiffer discusses the delicacy of presidential intentions behind the scenes, noting that prior administrations maintained a balance through established guardrails.

Dan Pfeiffer [06:55]: "There was a real set of guardrails that even if you had the worst instincts, there were things that would prevent you from exerting retribution."

Historical Context: From Nixon to Obama

Preet Bharara provides historical context, comparing the current administration's actions to those of past presidents like Nixon and Obama. He points out that Nixon's overreach led to the establishment of guidelines to prevent abuse of power, which he argues have since been eroded.

Preet Bharara [07:56]: "These guidelines came into existence because of Nixon's overreach and unlawful activities."

He further critiques Obama’s administration, highlighting instances where legal justifications were crafted to support controversial actions, such as drone strikes and the IRS scandal targeting progressive groups.

Preet Bharara [09:05]: "The famous torture memos... and President Obama’s drone strikes against American citizens turned terrorists."

The Department of Justice and Bureaucratic Independence

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the Department of Justice’s independence. Bharara recounts his tenure, emphasizing that political appointees like himself could be dismissed at will, but career attorneys remained protected.

Preet Bharara [12:34]: "As a political appointee, I was subject to being fired at will, but civil service protections exist for others."

Dan Pfeiffer underscores the challenges in navigating executive influence over independent agencies, illustrating how presidents might attempt to manipulate bureaucratic processes to serve their agendas.

Dan Pfeiffer [13:52]: "The White House counsel would say, 'You can't do that, and here's why.'"

Political Blowback and the Slippery Slope of Power

The guests explore the concept of political blowback—the negative repercussions presidents face when overstepping their authority. Bharara cites examples where presidents faced both political and legal consequences for their actions, suggesting that such backlash acts as a deterrent against abuse.

Preet Bharara [15:06]: "Both political and legal blowback make overt power grabs risky for presidents."

However, under Trump, these guardrails appear weakened, enabling more aggressive use of executive power without the traditional checks and balances.

Jon Stewart [15:34]: "It's a cost-benefit analysis."

Implications for Democracy: Erosion of Norms and Rule of Law

The conversation shifts to the broader implications of executive overreach on democracy. Bharara warns against the dangers of an "imperial presidency," where the executive branch can bypass democratic norms and the rule of law.

Preet Bharara [42:10]: "When the judiciary does not have a general oversight role of the executive, it undermines checks and balances."

Dan Pfeiffer adds that the erosion of these norms leads to a fragile democracy susceptible to authoritarianism.

Dan Pfeiffer [43:59]: "Republicans are so loyal to Trump, and the courts are favorable enough to him that traditional political media has been minimized in its influence."

The Path Forward: Democratic Response and Guardrail Reinforcement

Jon Stewart probes into potential strategies Democrats could employ to counteract executive overreach. The guests discuss the necessity of reinstating and legally enforcing guardrails that ensure the independence of institutions like the DOJ and IRS.

Preet Bharara [44:03]: "Democrats need to take some of these norms that Trump has run over and turn them into laws."

Dan Pfeiffer suggests that Democrats must adopt a "hardball" approach—aggressive yet ethical strategies to reclaim institutional independence without succumbing to the same authoritarian tactics.

Dan Pfeiffer [72:22]: "The question for Democrats is whether to use power aggressively to rebuild institutions while maintaining ethical standards."

Conclusion: Upholding Democratic Stability

In closing, Jon Stewart emphasizes the critical importance of maintaining the rule of law and institutional independence to preserve the United States' democratic integrity.

Jon Stewart [83:00]: "The stability of the rule of law is the secret sauce of why this country has done so well."

The episode underscores the fragile balance between executive authority and institutional independence, calling for vigilant protection of democratic norms against potential future abuses.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

Jon Stewart [00:53]: "This episode is about levers of power and coercion from the government and how they use their power to manipulate and force people into authoritarian tendencies."
Preet Bharara [07:56]: "These guidelines came into existence because of Nixon's overreach and unlawful activities."
Dan Pfeiffer [06:55]: "There was a real set of guardrails that even if you had the worst instincts, there were things that would prevent you from exerting retribution."
Preet Bharara [44:03]: "Democrats need to take some of these norms that Trump has run over and turn them into laws."
Jon Stewart [83:00]: "The stability of the rule of law is the secret sauce of why this country has done so well."

This episode provides a comprehensive examination of executive power's evolving role in American politics, highlighting the necessity of maintaining institutional safeguards to ensure democratic resilience.