The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
Episode: "The Pentagon’s Press Purge"
Date: October 23, 2025
Host: Jon Stewart
Guests:
- Nancy Youssef (Staff Writer, The Atlantic)
- Thomas Brennan (Founder, The War Horse)
- Col. David Lapan (Retired USMC; Former Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Media Operations)
Overview
This episode dives into the dramatic changes in media access at the Pentagon under the Hegseth-led Defense Department. Jon Stewart and his guests explore a sweeping press crackdown—reporters’ mass walkout, new loyalty pledges, restrictions on access, and the broader erosion of military transparency. The conversation examines not only the policy shifts but also their stakes for journalism, public understanding, civil-military relations, and American democracy.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. The State of Pentagon Reporting: Past and Present
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Consistent Process, Major Shift:
- [06:35] Nancy Youssef, who has reported on the Pentagon for 18 years, describes a historically open process: “There was an understanding that we wanted a press engaged... it really introduced the public to the US Military and it created a space where the public was willing to invest nearly a trillion tax dollars and send millions of its sons and daughters.”
- Recent administration: “It’s been relatively consistent up until this administration.”
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Inside the Building:
- [08:10] Col. Lapan recalls practices from the ‘90s on: press badges, open office-style accessibility, press in “unclassified” spaces, classified briefings separated (in a "skiff").
- [10:06] Lapan: “It was my responsibility as the holder of the security clearance to protect the classified information. That’s not the reporter’s responsibility.”
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Independent and Local Military Reporting:
- [11:07] Thomas Brennan (The War Horse) describes decentralized, community-embedded journalism that falls outside traditional Pentagon credentials: “We’ve embraced what the military calls decentralized command...contribute from military communities around the country.”
2. What Changed: The Press Purge and Its Impact
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Escalating Restrictions:
- [13:13] Youssef details a timeline: evicting major news orgs from their Pentagon booths, restricting use of briefing rooms, limiting reporter movement to short hallways, culminating in required “pledges.”
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The Loyalty Pledge:
- [14:53] Reporters must now sign:
- Not to solicit or publish information unless approved by the Pentagon
- To acknowledge publishing any Pentagon info—even unclassified—without approval is a “potential security risk.”
- [14:53] Reporters must now sign:
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Mass Walkout:
- [12:28 & 13:13] ~85 of 100 credentialed reporters left the Pentagon press corps after these rules.
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Nancy Youssef explains:
- “We cannot solicit information, nor can we publish information unless it’s approved by the Pentagon. … We have to agree that we understand publication of information…not authorized by the Pentagon is a security risk.”
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Col. Lapan’s reaction:
- [18:01] “The idea that the Pentagon would have to approve everything that came out of the reporting would seem insane to you. Even as someone who’s working to protect the Pentagon’s interests, it is insane. It’s dangerous. It’s damaging both to the military and to the public that we serve.”
3. The Real Arguments: Security or Control?
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False Narratives:
- [19:25] Lapan disputes the administration’s frame:
- “They’ve always worn badges.”
- “The Pentagon is just an office building, with offices, like any other. The idea that you can’t let reporters around because of classified stuff is ludicrous.”
- [19:25] Lapan disputes the administration’s frame:
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Access for Whom?
- [21:11] Youssef notes, “Panera bread, McDonald’s, Taco Bell... all those employees can move around more freely than we could starting in May.”
- Stewart: “So people who work at Panera can move around more freely than people that are reporting?”
4. Is This Just About Access? Journalism’s Deeper Role
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Necessity of Access?
- [22:31] Brennan: “Access is important because public affairs and journalists have a shared goal... We both want it to be correct.”
- Military reporting is collapsing as a field: most major outlets have reduced or eliminated military reporting desks.
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What Is Lost Without Proximity:
- [24:25] Youssef: “If you think of reporting as being in a very dark room with a very small flashlight, the ability to walk around the Pentagon... are ways to widen the aperture so that I can present a more fulsome picture to the American public about what’s happening in the building.”
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Beyond Just ‘Adversarial’:
- [26:57] Lapan: “Having a Pentagon press corps there, resident in the building was advantageous... We could put together a press briefing in ten minutes because they were all there. It benefited the DoD to have them there.”
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Pattern of Fear & Retaliation:
- [28:50] Youssef: "Military leadership are not allowed to go to events, have to check with the department before talking to Congress, climate of fear… told they could face polygraph for engaging in any way.”
5. The Rise of “Like-Minded” Press Corps
- Handpicked Journalists:
- [29:57] “The Pentagon’s putting together a list... recruiting journalists… who are like-minded, who are going to sign these restrictions.”
- Youssef: “All of the major news organizations are now out of the Pentagon. ... I worry consequences... facts become negotiable.”
6. Is This Just Making Old Dynamics Explicit?
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Stewart:
- [32:27] “Isn’t that just making explicit...their idea of...creating a palace guard of journalists? Has it been your experience that’s very much the case anyway?”
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Brennan:
- “What’s scarier for me is... it appears the Pentagon is at war with journalists and journalism and the fourth estate.”
- “Pitting the DoD leadership, pitting public affairs officers against journalists... is wrong. We both have a shared goal of defending American ideals... we’re not at war with one another.”
7. The Eternal Question: Is Access Just Enabling Spin?
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Stewart (Iraq War example):
- [34:26-36:07] Describes the “aluminum tubes” WMD story—a government-leaked narrative laundered through journalism to justify war.
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Lapan:
- [36:07] “What we are seeing now is an administration that wants to turn journalists into stenographers.”
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Youssef:
- [38:54] “It is much harder to get information. But that’s not why we walked out together. ... To sign it would be to say, we’re not journalists anymore. ... The challenge is to figure out what to put in front of the public.”
8. Embedding, War Reporting, and Human Connection
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Brennan (Marine perspective):
- [44:08] “In Fallujah, we were more concerned with getting to the next house and staying alive. ... In Afghanistan, a photojournalist embedded with us got to know us, did strong reporting about what the bond among Marines looks like.”
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Lapan:
- [47:53] “We put journalists on the front lines with US troops... and now we don’t trust them to walk around inside an office building.”
9. Motive: Retrenchment or Reshaping the Military’s Role?
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Youssef:
- [50:20] “My fear is this Pentagon no longer believes it needs to reach the entire American public...they want a military that serves their base rather than the American people.”
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Stewart:
- [52:11] “The best reporting on the military doesn’t necessarily ever come from the building...not only is this anti-American in terms of how it restricts freedom, it strikes me as foolish and naive.”
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Brennan:
- [53:14] “Secretary Hegseth is displaying a complete disregard for the leadership trust traits... If he had been my lieutenant, I would not have followed him into combat for those reasons.”
10. The Imperative for Reform
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Stewart (on toxic exposures at K2):
- [58:54] “To this day they deny that that [K2] report existed... Don’t we need a complete redo of how the Pentagon operates in terms of information?”
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Brennan:
- [60:26] “There’s a two-tiered justice system...no transparency... emblematic of the secrecy...lack of transparency in the military.”
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Youssef:
- [62:43] “The challenge I have is I don’t think anybody would disagree that reforms need to be made... But these changes are not about transparency—they’re about control and opacity.”
11. The Bigger Picture: Threats to Democracy, Press, and Civil-Military Relations
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Culture of Fear:
- [67:48] Youssef: “Not access; the engagement that happens—that we as a country expect those who are accountable... answer questions, even the ones they don’t like.”
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Protecting Sources:
- [68:42] Brennan: “The fear among the lower enlisted troops right now of speaking up and being outed is very intense. ... These policies are impacting myriad areas of the Defense Department and service members and veterans in multiple ways.”
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Authoritarian Drift:
- [69:52] Lapan: “This reminds me of the old Soviet days of minders... culture of fear... create this culture of fear that people are afraid of getting polygraphed, demoted, fired for telling the truth.”
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American Resistance:
- [70:39] Stewart: “Americans are not accustomed to this level of sycophancy and control, and I truly do believe they’ll reject it... I think this is going to be a harder blanket for them to smother us with.”
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Erosion of Trust & Fragmentation:
- [71:46] Youssef: “My concern is there is an erosion of trust in the media... readers increasingly expect us to validate their point of view... this will further put people on their own islands rather than encourage engagement.”
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Civilian-Military Divide:
- [75:53] Brennan: “I’m nervous that this will broaden the military and civilian divide... Most Americans don’t have a connection to the military... If that is the only interaction you’re having, then it’ll damage the relationship between Americans and its military.”
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
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Jon Stewart, on the press pledge:
- [14:53] “I’m sorry to laugh. ... You’re not a reporter. You work for them.”
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Col. David Lapan:
- [18:01] “It is insane. It’s dangerous. It’s damaging both to the military and the public that we serve.”
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Nancy Youssef:
- [24:25] “Reporting is sort of like being in a dark room with a small flashlight... the ability to walk around the Pentagon... widens the aperture so I can present a more fulsome picture.”
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Thomas Brennan:
- [22:31] “Less than 10% of all military communities have a newsroom in them. So while they’re increasing restrictions, there’s also a volume issue... it doesn’t reflect the line item in the budget.”
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On the access reduction:
- [21:11] Youssef: “All those [food court] employees can move around more freely than we could starting in May.”
- [21:20] Brennan (laughing): “It’s a shopping mall.”
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On principle:
- [43:01] Youssef: “How can I sign a document that says I will not publish anything other than what the Pentagon approves? ... I’m not a journalist at that point.”
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Brennan, on DoD leadership:
- [53:14] “If he had been my lieutenant, I would not have followed him into combat for those reasons.”
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Lapan, on principle:
- [56:02] “DoD policy... principles of information… information will not be classified...to protect government from criticism or embarrassment. ... All of these things run completely counter to that.”
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Youssef, on what’s unique:
- [65:29] “I just think there’s...something that gives me pause that somebody who’s in charge doesn’t want to answer questions from anyone other than those who agree with him.”
Timestamps for Important Segments
- 00:55: Satirical intro on Trump’s “diarrhea plane” video – sets up the show's comedic but critical tone
- 06:00: Guests introduce Pentagon press access as historically consistent, now starkly changed
- 13:13: Youssef gives a timeline of the escalating crackdown
- 14:53: The controversial new pledge and mass walkout explained
- 18:01: Lapan denounces the new rules as “insane”
- 21:11: The irony of press having less access than food service workers
- 24:25: Youssef on the nuance and color lost with limited access
- 26:57: Lapan on why press in the Pentagon was mutually beneficial
- 29:57: “Like-minded” journalists and erosion of factual coverage
- 32:27: Stewart questions if this naked control is a new development or just honesty about old habits
- 38:54: Youssef: “To sign [the pledge]... would be to say, we’re not journalists anymore.”
- 43:01: The ethical line journalists would not cross
- 44:08: Embeds, on-the-ground reporting, and value of field journalism
- 47:53: Lapan: “We put journalists on the front lines...and now don’t trust them inside the building.”
- 52:11: Stewart: Pentagon’s belief it no longer needs to talk to the public
- 58:54: Stewart on the K2 toxic exposure coverup, illustration of institutional secrecy
- 62:43: Youssef: The problem isn’t just press eviction—it’s broader anti-transparency trends
- 67:48: The vital importance of engagement and Q&A, not just access
- 75:53: Brennan: Worry about military-civilian divide and lasting damage
- 78:13: Stewart sums up the “crucial” role of independent and adversarial press
- 80:38: Post-episode reflection on press trust and spin, further insight from Youssef
Conclusion & Takeaways
- Dangerous Precedent: Pentagon policy now explicitly makes the press an arm of public affairs; mass walkout signals not just inconvenience, but a stand for the core values of journalism in democracy.
- Transparency Under Threat: Crackdown on journalists and increased government secrecy set up a “culture of fear”—not only for press but for rank-and-file military and even Congress.
- Resilience and Responsibility: Despite obstacles, a committed press can adapt, “find a way,” and pursue adversarial, decentralized, independent reporting.
- Civil-Military Consequences: As the divide between Americans and the military widens, the absence of robust, independent reporting may corrode public trust, accountability, and ultimately national unity.
- **“It’s not just about access, it’s about principle”—refusing to operate under censorship, even at the cost of reporting capacity, marks a line journalists are unwilling to cross.
Memorable Closing Thought
Jon Stewart ([78:13]):
“The importance of getting the information out about what this trillion dollar behemoth does—because it impacts all of our lives, and for military members and families, that work is even more crucial now.”
This summary preserves the episode’s serious, skeptical, and candid tone—combining commentary, firsthand experiences, and policy discussion into a multifaceted warning about the cost of losing press freedom at the Pentagon.
