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Episode 621: The Man Who Saw Christ Still Walks Among Us | Immortal Count of St Germain Revisited
Date: December 24, 2025
Host: AJ (Narrator), with Co-host/Sidekick
Theme: Revisiting the legend, supposed immortality, and historical appearances of the Count of St. Germain

Episode Overview

This episode of The Why Files dives deep into the enduring legend of the Count of St. Germain—a mysterious figure famed for his supposed immortality, miraculous abilities, and unexplained appearances at landmark moments in European and American history. AJ and his sidekick explore key stories and claims, debunk popular myths, and consider the Count's real identity, all with the show's signature blend of thorough research and humor.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Count’s Mysterious Origins and Talents

• Arrested in 1745 in London for espionage, carrying diamonds, and displaying extraordinary talents (00:39).
• Known for expert musicianship, speaking 20 languages, encyclopedic historical knowledge, and impressive conversation skills.
• Never seemed to age: “For 200 years, the Count would appear at every turning point in European history and American history. And in all that time, he never aged a day.” (00:46, AJ)
• Voltaire allegedly said:

  "He is a man who never dies." (01:55, in-character quote)

2. Rumors of Alchemy and Immortality

• Claimed discovery of the philosopher’s stone—turning base metals to gold and creating the elixir of life.
• Reportedly never ate, only drinking his special “elixir.” (02:05)
• Casanova's account: the Count apparently turned a silver coin into gold before his eyes (05:59).

  “He took the coin, put a black substance on it and placed it on the fire. When it cooled, he said, take your coin. I examined it, and it was pure gold.” (06:00, in-character quote)

3. Impressing Royalty and Historical Figures

• Repaired a flawed diamond for King Louis, who then gifted the Count a laboratory at Versailles (06:43).
• The Count’s intimate recollection of an event in Venice in 1710 when he was recognized by Countess von Giorgi—despite not having aged in 50 years (07:38).

4. The Wandering Jew and Biblical Connections

• Some theorized the Count was Cartaphilus, the legendary Wandering Jew, cursed with immortality for striking Jesus (10:01, narrated).

5. Shaping History: Alleged Involvement in Major Events

• Associated with significant political moments:
  • Helped bring Catherine the Great to power in Russia (12:38).
  • Taught Anton Mesmer about hypnosis (12:54).
  • Allegedly inspired the signing of the U.S. Declaration of Independence, giving the rousing speech:

    “Men not yet born will read these words and find courage. So I ask you, will you sign? Or will you explain to your grandchildren why you chose chains over courage?” (14:07, in-character quote)

• After his recorded death in 1784, reported sightings continued: as a Freemason representative, in diplomatic meetings, and giving dire warnings before the French Revolution (16:19).

6. Later Appearances and Vampire Lore

• New Orleans, 1902: A man named Jacques St. Germain, identical in appearance to the historical Count, is implicated in a vampiric attack and disappears after bottles of blood-infused wine are found (17:29–19:57).

7. 20th Century Sightings and New Religious Movements

• Sightings in WWI—a mysterious, multilingual man predicts future wars and their outcomes (22:08).
• Guy Ballard’s encounter on Mount Shasta leads to the founding of the “I AM Activity” religious movement (22:55).
• In 1972, Richard Chanfray claims to be the immortal Count and “turns” lead to gold live on French television (23:23).

Debunking the Legend: Skepticism and Explanations

1. Language and Accents

• Contemporary reports note St. Germain’s English was broken and his French had a Piedmont accent (23:46).

2. Parlor Tricks and Deceptions

• The “coin into gold” feat was likely sleight of hand, and Casanova himself suspected so (24:55).
• The diamond repair was possibly a simple stone switch; King’s mistress thought his gems were fake (25:34).
• Voltaire’s famous quote was sarcastic, and the elderly countess who “recognized” him was nearly 90 and senile (25:34).

3. Modern Hoaxes and Folklore

• Richard Chanfray’s alchemy was stage magic using concealed gold (25:34).
• Reported posthumous sightings tied to theosophy writings and American folklore (26:36).
• Guy Ballard plagiarized his supposed teachings from science fiction (26:36).
• The best mundane explanation: St. Germain was likely the illegitimate child of Italian nobility, favoring charm and magical performances to win favor and support (27:05).

4. Ongoing Mysteries

• Upon St. Germain’s death, there was no trace of his personal possessions, raising questions about the thoroughness of historical records (27:06).
• Grave destroyed, body never recovered; some official records are inaccessible (27:30).
• AJ muses: “Maybe it's just bureaucracy. Or maybe someone decided that certain details about the Count of Saint Germain are better left unexamined.” (28:00, AJ)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “He is a man who never dies.” – Attributed to Voltaire (01:55)
• “Your Majesty, I have witnessed Christ turn water into wine. Diamonds are a mere trifle.” – Count of St. Germain (06:24)
• “You must be 100 years old.” / “That is not impossible.” – Countess von Giorgi and the Count (08:35)
• “Immortality sounds pretty good until you realize you gotta pay alimony for 2,000 years.” – Sidekick (10:33)
• “Men not yet born will read these words and find courage. So I ask you, will you sign? Or will you explain to your grandchildren why you chose chains over courage?” – Mysterious Stranger at Declaration of Independence (14:07)
• “The sun of France is setting. The Bastille will fall. The mob will storm Versailles…” – Count warning before French Revolution (16:19)
• “I am leaving France. I must go to Constantinople, then to England, and finally to the Himalayas. I will rest there, but people will see me again.” – Count, 36 years after his supposed death (17:17)
• “Please don't start a cult.” – AJ to sidekick, joking about religious offshoots (23:07)
• “The story of The Count of St. Germain is probably debunked. But I will admit there's a part of me that hopes that he's out there somewhere, playing the violin, telling stories at dinner parties, sipping his elixir, and waiting for yet one more chance to step in and change the course of history.” (End, AJ)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:39 – Introduction to the Count’s arrest, talents, and rumors
• 05:45 – Casanova’s encounter with the Count’s alleged alchemy
• 06:24–07:38 – Diamond restoration for King Louis and memory test by Countess von Giorgi
• 09:37 – Links to the Wandering Jew legend
• 12:38 – Alleged influences on European history and notable international interventions
• 14:07 – Inspiring the U.S. Declaration of Independence
• 16:19 – Warning prior to the French Revolution and aftermath
• 17:29 – Jacques St. Germain and New Orleans vampire legend
• 22:08 – Twentieth-century “sightings” and new religious movements
• 23:46 – 1972 TV gold transmutation and examination of the legend’s veracity
• 25:34–27:36 – Debunking myths and proposing mundane explanations

Conclusion

AJ and his sidekick balance detailed research with playful banter, dissecting the remarkable, recurring legend of the Count of St. Germain. While nearly every supernatural claim is systematically debunked, the hosts savor the hope that some mysteries linger just beyond our grasp. The Count endures as a symbol of historical intrigue and the allure of the impossible.