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628: Templars, Atlantis, and the Ark of the Covenant | Basement #003 Tim Hogan
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Podcast Host
Today we are sitting down with Tim Hogan, knights Templar Grandmaster, 32nd Degree Mason, and a guy who was initiated into the order at age 8. 32nd degree? That's like getting a DLC for secret society Simulator. Is that a real game?
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Interviewer (AJ)
Not yet.
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Podcast Host
Copyright me. Patent pending. All rights received. Tim's family line runs deep in this stuff. His great grandfather, seven generations back, was General Joseph Warren, the man who initiated Paul Revere and helped organize the Boston Tea Party. His own father, the mayor of Aurora, Colorado, was involved in developing Denver International Airport.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Yeah, that airport.
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Podcast Host
The Horse of Death, the Nazi bunker.
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Tim Hogan
The illicit people murals.
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Podcast Host
Finally, someone who knows what's under that Runway. Tim's written seven books on alchemy and ancient mysteries. He leads expeditions into Egypt, where his group has private access to places tourists never see. The Sphinx enclosure, sealed chambers at Dendera, even the Great Pyramid itself, where he conducts actual Templar initiations. Wow, that sounds like my Peshy family initiation when I became a maid. Fish, what happened during your initiation? I can't tell you that, human. I took you nowhere.
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Tim Hogan
Ta.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Fair enough.
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Podcast Host
Today we're going deep. We'll cover the standard Templar history, but then Tim's going to take us into the secret history. The archaeological digs under the Temple Mount, six ancient Arcs. His order claims to have recovered a connection between ancient Egypt and the Mayans. Monoatomic gold as a superconductive power source. And yes, he says the Templars possess the bones of Jesus. This one gets wild. Tim is more than an encyclopedia. He's an amazing storyteller. Let's go downstairs.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Tim, welcome.
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Tim Hogan
Thank you for having me.
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Interviewer (AJ)
AJ I'm so excited because, you know, I've been a fan of yours for a long time.
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Tim Hogan
Well, I've been a fan of yours too, so I'm super excited to be here. I'm so glad you're doing this.
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Interviewer (AJ)
This format, it's with all the stories that I research. The people behind them are so interesting that I thought it would be fun to have them in here. And you were one of those. When I was putting together my Knight's Templar episode, I had a couple of drafts. I ran it by my community, and they said, you need to look into Tim Hogan. So I started listening to your interviews, and I said, I don't need to do any more research. This guy knows everything about the knights, so encyclopedic knowledge.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah. Well, thank you.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So what I want to do is I want to get into your personal journey in the order, then to the fun stuff. So we're talking alchemy, Ancient Egypt, Ark of the Covenant, Anunnaki, which I think we can connect, of course. But let's start today with the mundane.
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Tim Hogan
Okay.
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Interviewer (AJ)
With the COVID story.
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Tim Hogan
Sure.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Can you walk us through 1118-1307? Just so.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, just general history.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Just a general history. Then we'll get into the real story.
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Tim Hogan
So according to standard historians, the Templar Order was founded in 1118. There were nine knights started by Hugh de Pains and Godfrey de Saint Omar, two French knights who had been involved in a number of different things, but they ended up going down to Jerusalem. They got by King Baldwin ii, gave them property near the Temple Mount at an area that is now referred to as King Solomon's Stables. They set up an order ostensibly to protect pilgrims in the Holy Land. So these nine knights were supposed to protect all the pilgrims in the Holy Land. So for the first 20 years, this is what was said they were doing. Now this is more of a cover story. They were actually doing digging. They're doing what we would refer to as archaeology now.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Well, before we get there. Hold on.
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Tim Hogan
Okay.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Because not everybody knows this stuff.
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Tim Hogan
Okay. Right.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So they're protecting pilgrims. Can you just. And very briefly, because we want to get to the good stuff.
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Tim Hogan
Sure.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Explain the commanderies, how they accumulated wealth.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So.
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Tim Hogan
So what they do. Would do is they would set up these commanderies throughout Europe and as well as in the Holy Land and really where they started making money as they became a banking system, where if you were going to. Back then, you have to understand that Christians would travel to Jerusalem in the same way that Muslims would travel to Mecca today. So it was, like, deemed that once in your life, you go to Jerusalem and you see the holy places where Jesus. Jesus walked and where Moses was and where King Solomon's temple was said to be. And you would take this pilgrimage. Well, it was very dangerous to travel back then. I mean, the world was full of ruffians and thieves. And if you had any money on you, of course they were going to steal it. So what the Templar Order did is they set up a thing where you could deposit your money at the commandery in, let's say, London, and you get a special note, and then when you arrived in Jerusalem, you could go to the commander in Jerusalem, present this note, and they give you your money back, you know, with a small fee taken out.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
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Tim Hogan
And so that small fee, you know, added up. And this is really where the Templar Order developed its wealth. And because when they were created, they didn't have to answer to anybody but the Pope, it gave them a lot of freedom and a lot of latitude to do a lot of things, including associating with other religious traditions and other cultures that didn't exist in Europe. I mean, as they went into the Holy Land, there were groups like the Druze and the Sabeans and others that were translating Greek and Roman texts, and these hadn't made their way into Europe yet. And so by having these associations with the Templar order, the Templars were able to gain knowledge that just wasn't accessible at the time in Europe. And they learned of traditions like Pythagorean traditions and the works of Plato and things that we kind of take for granted now that just was not available at the time. They also had to have associations with Islamic groups that were already existing in the Holy Land at the time. While they later would get dragged into having to fight and defend territories on behalf of the Church, that was not their main focus. Their main focus was actually establishing connections with these different traditions so they could gain their knowledge and bring that knowledge back to Europe, really, to try to get Europe out of the Dark Ages. They believed that if they. If they gained the technology and the philosophies of what they believed was the pre. Civilization. The civilization before Noah.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Don't. Don't. Don't do it yet.
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Tim Hogan
Okay, okay, okay.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Because you're gonna get me excited.
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Tim Hogan
Okay, okay, okay.
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Interviewer (AJ)
And as we get down there, if I.
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Podcast Host
You're.
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Interviewer (AJ)
You're a brilliant storyteller. So if you see me almost stepping on a punchline or stealing your Thunder Slow me down.
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Interviewer (AJ)
But take us to 1307. They've accumulated wealth.
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Tim Hogan
What happened? So they've accumulated all this wealth. The King of France at the time, Philip the Fair, he needed money. He wanted to set himself up as the new war king of Europe, and he also wanted to control the Church. He had already, by some accounts, poisoned one Pope, assassinated one pope to try to get the Pope he wanted onto the throne. He eventually got Clement V onto the throne. Then he also owed a bunch of money to the Templar Order. They had been loaning him money all along, but he needed more money. He knew that they had amassed a great fortune at the Paris commandery. So what he did was In September of 1307, he issued arrest warrants that were to be implemented in October, October 13th. In fact, Friday, October 13th, 1307, to arrest the entire Templar Order and to bring them up on charges with the hopes of then securing their wealth. Now, the Templar Order, they had spies everywhere. They knew about this. They set up a plan where Jacques de Molay, who was the Grand Master of the Templar Order, he kind of stayed behind in Paris. They normally had about 100,000 Templars in Paris. Most of them fled Paris. A few stayed behind to appear as business as usual, because the Templars had a fleet. They had an entire fleet. Yeah. And so the night before, on October 12, 1307, the fleet disappears, along with all the wealth of the Grand Commandery of Paris. And Jack de Molay is staying behind with a few hundred other knights. The arrest orders get implemented on Friday, October 13th. They're rounded up. This is the origin of the unlucky date of Friday the 13th. And then they are tortured for seven years. I think Jacques de Molay thought that. And by the way, they also wanted the Pope. Wanted Pope Clement V wanted the Templar Order to merge with their rival order, which was known as the Knights Hospitality. Knights Hospitality later became the Knights of Malta, but that's a different story.
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Tim Hogan
The Templar Order wouldn't do it. Jack De Molay wouldn't do it because they would have lost all of their freedoms that they had. And the Templars were known for trying to fight for freedoms of individuals as well. They helped instigate the signing of the Magna Carta, for example, which gave people rights for the first time in England. You know, God given rights. God given rights. Yeah. And this was, this was talked about even in Wolfram von Eschenbach's Parsifal, which was a book published in the 1200s where it says the Templars were these Grail guardians. They're the guardians of the Grail. And it said on the Grail altar it said if any Templar should become ruler of a foreign people, let him ensure that they are given their God given rights. Well, this is the first time in history where it is even suggested that people have God given rights. I mean rights back then were said to come from the Pope or from the King and that was it. So the fact that the Templars were fighting for people to have rights, you know, this was bad for business for both the Pope and the King. So that's why they entered into this conspiracy to suppress the Templar Order.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So, and this brings me to a question I want to get your take on, because I heard you mention this recently.
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Tim Hogan
Sure.
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Interviewer (AJ)
That kind of, kind of shocked me a little bit. I'm going to tell the quick version of what's. Of the mainstream version of this story. Early 2000s, a document is discovered in the Vatican archives called the Chinon Partridge.
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Tim Hogan
Right, sure.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Where Pope Clement V absolves the knights. And I kind of assumed that was true, but you have a different.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, everyone assumes it's true. But the thing is. So Napoleon, people forget Napoleon raided the Vatican archives. Napoleon's personal physician was Bernard Raymond Fabre Palaprat, who was the Grand Master of the Templar Order underground. Napoleon himself believed himself to be the illegitimate grandson of Bonnie Prince Charlie, who was also a Templar out of Scotland. So one of the things that Napoleon was doing is he was looking for Templar artifacts. Specifically when he raided the Vatican, he brought all those archives back to France where they were sifted through at St. Sulpus. The cheat on parchment was never found. Right. All sudden, years later, Dan Brown becomes popular talking about Templar stuff that becomes this big thing. And lo and behold, out of nowhere, this new Qinon parchment is found absolving the Templar Order. And it's being kind of sketchily verified as even being legit. And everyone just accepts it as real. But I did. Yeah, everyone did. But I don't believe, I think it was a later forgery.
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Interviewer (AJ)
And after I heard your explanation of it, I'm leaning your way because.
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Tim Hogan
It.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Doesn'T absolve the knights as much as it absolves the Church.
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Tim Hogan
Sure, it's exactly right. Because the Church, They sanctioned torture and accusing the Templar Order of all kinds of made up heresies that we know now are just, you know, made up. And then ultimately in 1314, Jacques de Molay, as well as a number of other knights, Geoffrey Charnay, who was one of his top preceptors of Troyes region and others, they were all burnt to the stake and the Templar. And Jack de Molay, right before he died, he said, look, I do not consent to any of these false charges. And he told both Clement V and Philip the Fair that they would both join him in the afterlife within a year.
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Interviewer (AJ)
This is the curse.
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Tim Hogan
This was the curse. And they both did. They both died within a year. Which has led to some speculation if they were poisoned secretly. If they were, you Know, secretly assassinated.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
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Tim Hogan
Which led to that.
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Interviewer (AJ)
But I think the Pope was poisoned because I think he actually died of dysentery.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah. Yeah. So. But there. But the. But that was. And that was in March of 1314. But they. And they were both in, like, Jackie Malay. He was burnt just outside of Notre Dame Cathedral. And to this day, there's still a plaque there where he was burned. And it's on the island there, just outside of Notre Dame.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I didn't know that.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah. And some people speculated that because the Templars were largely responsible for building those cathedrals.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Certainly.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah. And they funded them, and they provided the manpower, and then they incorporated esoteric knowledge that they're bringing back from the Middle east onto those cathedrals.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Sure. And we can see their graffiti all over Europe. So before we get into the. The real history.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Can you take us through your personal experience? You're initiated as a page at age eight.
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Tim Hogan
Eight. Yeah.
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Interviewer (AJ)
What? Is that so?
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Tim Hogan
Yeah. So there's this whole tradition that was set up specifically for young people to go through this knighthood program. And I didn't know it at the time. I just was. You know, I was participating in it, but my first induction ceremony was at age 8.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Did you know your family was so deeply. No, you didn't.
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Tim Hogan
I had no clue.
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Interviewer (AJ)
And you're. You're.
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Tim Hogan
I wasn't even told till I was 18. So I had. I gone through this whole program, this knighthood program, where I spent six years trying to attain these different ranks of knighthood.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Mom, you should have sent me to this instead of the Boy Scouts. I'm just saying.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, well, you know, the Boy Scouts were founded by Templars, too. Powell was a Templar. But if you look at the old Boy Scout handbooks, they talk about how a modern Boy Scout is a Templar, basically. But, yeah, so I went through this program, and then by the age of 18, I had attained this rank of Sir Knight within it. And along the way, I had to work on all these different things. I had to study the mysteries of the Grail, and I had to try to inculcate these values, you know, these virtues and trying to become a good citizen and leader in the world and all this stuff. By the time I was 18 and I had gone through this program, I realized it was all the people who. I was like, who set up this program. And I started looking into it and realized it was all these Freemasons and Templars that had set up this program. And. And so I was like, oh, I better. I think I need to become a Freemason, you know. So I went to. I remember I was in college at the time, and I went over to my mom's house to do laundry, as we all do. Yeah, right. And I said. And she said, what are you up to? And I said, well, I, you know, I think I'm going to try to become a Freemason. And she said, oh, you know, you're both. Your grandfathers are freemasons. Your dad went through that system. Your great grandparents are all involved in it. You have a long family line involved in all that. I was like, what? And she was like, yeah, it was your grandpa that, that, that put me. Had you put you in that program when you were a kid. Wow. I had no clue about any of this. So she encouraged me to reach out to them. And then I found out that I had this long family lineage on both sides of my family, involved in all this going way back, including my great grandfather seven generations back, was the martyr of the Revolutionary War. He was General Joseph Warren. He's the one who initiated Paul Revere. He's the one who set up the Boston Tea Party. And he was a grand commander in the Templar order at the time. And his brother, John Warren was the first grand master of Freemasonry in the forming United States. And his son, Joseph Warren Jr. Ended up marrying Elizabeth Burns, who was the poet Robert Burns daughter. Robert Burns was also a Templar in Scotland. And he wrote All Enzyme that we all sing on New Year's Day every year. You know, so amongst other things. So anyhow, I had this like. So my middle name's Warren because that's my mother's maiden name. And so the Warren side of the family all goes back to that. And my, my grandfather, Hugh Warren, he was named Hugh after Hugh to Paynes, of course. And you know, and then he had the Warren side of it. You know, he's the one who got me involved in all this stuff. And, and then on my dad's side, Howard Hogan, you know, he was really active in Freemasonry, was a high degree Mason in Nebraska and his.
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Interviewer (AJ)
And your father was a very popular politician in Colorado.
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Tim Hogan
Yes, correct. Yeah. And he had been raised. He went through a demolay program when he was growing up.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Okay.
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Tim Hogan
And I have all his old demolay stuff. And he became a Mason and he. Yeah, and he was mayor of Aurora, Colorado, which is like the 50th largest city in the US it's bigger than Salt Lake City or Philadelphia or St Louis or a lot of major cities we think of. But he Was. He was mayor and he was. He was involved in all this stuff. But I had no clue growing up.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Before about your dad. My audience knows a lot about the Denver airport and the Masonic connection.
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Tim Hogan
Oh, yeah, correct.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Your father was involved in.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, yeah. So he's the one who like. So. So the Denver Airport was annexed from Aurora.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
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Tim Hogan
So that wasn't even Denver territory.
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Right.
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Interviewer (AJ)
It was outside.
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Tim Hogan
Right. It was outside of Denver, so they annexed it. And the agreement was that Denver would get the taxes from the airport and Aurora would get the taxes from any hotels and stuff that were set up around there. But he also helped set up the. What's known as the Gaylord Resort that's out there on Denver International Airport property and it has the convention center attached to it. And the convention center is actually named after my father. It's the Stephen D. Hogan Convention Center. So. Because he was all involved in all that stuff. And I have a. I have a brother in law who's also involved right now in the restructuring of the terminal of the airport. And then I was involved early on. There's a Masonic time capsule out there.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Oh, yes.
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Tim Hogan
And it has the braille plaque on it. And for the longest time that braille plaque was actually a plastic plaque. Most people don't know this. And so the secretary of my Masonic lodge, his name was Warren Glover, maybe I passed away years ago, but he and I went out to the Denver International Airport to put the actual metal plaque on there. And so I was involved in some ways of actually dealing with that thing. And it's not alien code and if you push the right buttons, nothing's going to open up like some people say. But it's just braille plaque, you know, But.
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Interviewer (AJ)
But the Templars are famous for digging tunnels and hiding, of course. What's under that airport? Tell us.
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Tim Hogan
Well, I mean, there, I. I'll tell you. I've been down under there, in fact.
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Where the luggage is.
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Interviewer (AJ)
What's under that?
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Tim Hogan
No, below that.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Okay.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, but. And there's some storage areas. There's no lizard people down there.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Oh.
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Tim Hogan
You know, there was always speculation that there was. There was some entrance to the underworld down there. It's not really. I mean, the. The whole reason why that property was even selected was it was a deal made between the Denver mayor and Federico Pena, who was Pena Boulevard that goes to the airports named after now. And it was kind of a money making scheme for the politicians at the time.
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Interviewer (AJ)
They do that.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, exactly.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So no bunkers now.
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Tim Hogan
Well, there is rumors that. And I unofficially, we're off the record. Right off the record. There's rumors that there are bunkers down there for the president and other people should there be a calamity on the East Coast. And they need to get out of that area. That's an area that they can go to and to be hidden and they continue to still operate.
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Interviewer (AJ)
We do know that there was a potential impact event years ago and Obama was sent to that airport.
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Tim Hogan
That's right. And about less than three miles from the airport is the Space Force Base, Buckley Space Force Base, which is almost on the property. And in fact, the road that goes that divides the two properties is the Stephen D. Hogan Parkway, which is also named after my dad. So. And then there's also a housing community, too, on the Denver Airport property called the Highlands. And it's all dedicated to my dad, too. There's a plot there. He was very involved in all that development.
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Interviewer (AJ)
He seemed like a great man. And I watched your eulogy of him online. It was really touching.
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Tim Hogan
Thank you.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Did you learn all the secret history of the Templars when you were initiated? Is that kind of how it works?
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, well, I learned the general history of the Templars as I was growing up. That was part of my education. But then, yeah, as I got involved in stuff, I started learning more of the secret history that was involved there. And I've tried to bring some of that forward and make it public a lot of things that just nobody's known about. You know, like you look up Rosicrucian, for example, you're going to hear the same general story of, oh, it was established in Germany, but it doesn't really. And they talk about Johann Valentin Andrea, but they don't really talk about what Johann Valentin Andrea was involved in, you know, and he was, he was. He grew up in the town of Kalf, spelled C A L, W, in Germany, and his mom was the town alchemist there. And that was a Templar. It was an underground Templar area. And that's where this militia, Crucifera Evangelica, was largely based out of. In fact, to this day, there are secret chapels there that have the blazons or the coat of arms of all the original members of that tradition. And they have Andrea's coat of arms there, you know, and stained glass. And there's a whole tradition there that most people have no clue about.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Well, where did the Templars really start? And what was their original mission?
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, so according to. And this isn't, by the way, I'm popularizing, I'm getting this information out there now, but it's something that's been known within the Templar traditions for a long time. The, the Grand Master before me, Raymond Bernard, he was a very famous historians and esotericists in Paris. And he published a book on this called the Secret Meeting in Rome, which was about his initiation into the Templar Order clear back in 1956.
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Interviewer (AJ)
And.
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Tim Hogan
In it he talks about that the real purpose for the Templar Order was. The Templar Order quickly realized very early on that there were these flood myths all around the world and everyone had the same flood myth, alluding to the fact that there was probably a very real cataclysm in antiquity.
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Interviewer (AJ)
We're getting to the point where it's almost non negotiable right.
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Tim Hogan
Right now. But like back then, I mean, it was, you know, it was just kind of considered biblical history.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
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Tim Hogan
You know, and so. But the Templars, they thought there was something to it and that they also believed that there was a very advanced civilization that had existed prior to this cataclysm.
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Interviewer (AJ)
When you say advanced, do you mean advance for their time or for ours?
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Tim Hogan
Both.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So technology we would find. Advanced, right? Okay.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah. So much so that even later on, when Francis Bacon wrote his book, the New Atlantis.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Oh, yes.
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Tim Hogan
So Francis Bacon was the secret son of Queen Elizabeth I. He was hidden at birth. He was given to Lady Anne Bacon, who is Queen Elizabeth's lady in waiting. And he was raised by the Bacon, Nicholas. Lord Nicholas Bacon and Lady Anne Bacon. But Francis Bacon and Queen Elizabeth I was a member of this militia, Cruciferium Angelica. She was a Templar.
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Interviewer (AJ)
That's a, that's something interesting where people think that Knights Templar are just guys on horses, right?
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Tim Hogan
No, no. There were women going all the way.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Back to the beginning and farmers and blacksmiths. And masons.
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Tim Hogan
Right, Exactly. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't just knights on horseback, it was in clerics. It was an entire. It was the first multinational corporation really. And it had men and women involved in it in different capacities. And so even after the suppression, as the Templar order continued to exist secretly underground, there are some very high level people like Queen Elizabeth I, that were involved in it. Francis Bacon had also been involved in it. So when he wrote his New Atlantis, the whole basis of the book was that there was this secret underground Templar body that referred to itself as the College of Solomon. The head of the College of Solomon's wearing a turban with a red Templar cross on it. And they have developed all these technologies, or they're trying to develop all these technologies. And the story goes that there was this ship. It's kind of like the story of Lost, actually. If you ever watch that TV show, the first season. Yeah. So there's this ship that crashes on the island and nobody knows about this island. It's like this hidden island. And when the people get off the ship, they find there is this civilization on this island and they are totally spiritually and materially way more advanced than the rest of the world. The people of the island explained to themselves, well, we are the College of Solomon. We develop these technologies and we know about the whole world, but the whole world does not know about us. And they say to them, where did you learn of these technologies? And they said, well, it's like this. We settled on this island and then one day we saw this light out hovering over the ocean and it was like in the shape of a cross. So we rode our boats out to it and there was like this force field that wouldn't let us get any closer to it, and then it spit this book out to us.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Okay.
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Tim Hogan
And so we brought this book back to land and it was a blueprint for how to create all these technologies. So we've been just trying to develop them ever since. So this is like clearly describing this UFO event. Sure, but. But all the technologies were believed to be technologies from the original Atlantis. And it described things like submarines and flying machines and things that, you know. No, but didn't exist back in Francis Bacon's day. But it was believed these were the things that the original Atlantis had and that it was the Templar mission to redevelop these things and to re establish a country where they could be developed. And that's really what led to the creation of the United States to become this new Atlantis where these technologies could be developed.
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Interviewer (AJ)
How does Francis Bacon's story track with. With Plato's description of Atlantis?
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Tim Hogan
It's different because he's clearly sourcing back to Plato.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Sure.
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Tim Hogan
But then he's also talking about all kinds of things that Plato doesn't talk about. And he talks about medicines that need to be developed along with the technologies. He just says it needs to be reestablished. The new Atlantis needs to be established.
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Interviewer (AJ)
And does that become a Templar mission?
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Tim Hogan
That becomes the Templar mission, yeah. Then ultimately, I mean, the United States. Well, originally the Royal Society was established in England to try to create these ideas of Francis Bacon. And then that was brought over into the establishment of the United States, which then became the main new Atlantis model, to develop these things and perpetuate them.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So when the Templars, they end up in Jerusalem, they're, I believe, granted permission to set up their headquarters.
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Tim Hogan
Correct.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Under the. Under the dome.
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Tim Hogan
Right. So this is the secret history. Yes, this is why we're here.
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Interviewer (AJ)
This is why.
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Tim Hogan
Right, right. So while they're supposed to be protecting pilgrims.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
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Tim Hogan
What they are really doing is they are digging. They are doing archaeological excavation under the Temple Mount, and they are going into East Jerusalem and they are opening up tombs and finding artifacts, and they are bringing this stuff secretly back to Europe. Then they are also going into places like Egypt, where they set up their grand commandery at the Temple of Isis at Philae, and from there they're going into places like the Temple of Hathor Dendera and Hatshepsut's temple in the Valley of the Kings and in Karnak. And they leave these Templar markers at all these places and they leave Templar graffiti at all these places as well. And they are finding artifacts, including arks like the Ark of the Covenant.
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Interviewer (AJ)
You said arks.
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Tim Hogan
Arcs, Plural, Plural, Arks. Yeah. So they found six arks, but there was probably a hundred arks in antiquity. Every temple in Egypt had one of these arks. And you can see it on the temple walls when you know what to look for.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So if we had. So if there were a hundred arcs on Earth, then what. How the arcs are described in the Bible is incorrect.
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Tim Hogan
Well, they were. What they were is they were electrostatic capacitors, and they would be set up at certain node points around the planet, and then the electricity would build up and it would just broadcast within the region.
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Interviewer (AJ)
And let me set up for those listening. If you take acacia wood and put gold on either side of it, you create a dielectric, which does transfer electricity.
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Tim Hogan
That's exactly right. And then the other thing they put in the arcs was this, what was referred to as mana, which was really just gold converted into a monoatomic state. And what makes it superconductive. So you put the superconductive substance inside this, and it's going to produce a tremendous amount of electricity.
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Interviewer (AJ)
But monoatomic gold can only do that with some alchemical.
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Tim Hogan
Correct.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right. Because scientists can't do this.
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Tim Hogan
Correct.
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Interviewer (AJ)
But somebody could.
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Tim Hogan
Yes. So. So the process of the Templars figured out how to do this. Right. And it's. It is weird science, because when you take gold and you convert it into the state, the first thing that happens is the gold. You break it down and break it down, but you still have gold. But at a certain point, the gold just disappears.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Well, the lattice structure, the molecules falls away and you're left with single atoms.
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Tim Hogan
Well, even before that, it literally disappears into a higher dimension.
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Interviewer (AJ)
What?
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Tim Hogan
Yeah.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Okay.
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Tim Hogan
And then when you create the conditions for it to come back. Yeah. It enters in this monoatomic state where every grain of this gold is one atom thick. That is the outer. The two electrons of the outer valence ring both enter into what's called a spin forward. And when that happens, it enters into a high spin state. So the nucleus completely captures the outer valence ring, so it doesn't bind with anything else.
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Tim Hogan
And when it does this, it generates a tremendous amount of electricity and it becomes superconductive.
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Interviewer (AJ)
And there are some parts of the Anunnaki legend that say they were here from monoatomic gold.
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Tim Hogan
Right? Yeah, they were. They were mining gold. I think this is when we see modern UAPs in the ocean. I think that's what they're doing. I think they're. Because this gold, it can also be made deep in the earth and pushed up volcanically. And then it gets deposited in the soil or in the bottom of the ocean. If you look at the bottom of the ocean, it's mostly just white powder down there, which is what this monoatomic gold is. But it also, it can be pushed up volcanically and then plants absorb it. And so the other way you can capture it is you could calcinate down like a bush, Right. Burn it down and you can extract the monoatomic gold out of the ashes.
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Interviewer (AJ)
And that's interesting because calcinate, that would be one of the steps of alchemy.
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Tim Hogan
Correct. And it's also, we believe from a Templar perspective, it's why Moses witnessed God as a burning bush. Right. Because you have to calcinate down the bush to extract the mana literally out of the ashes. The mono atomic gold.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Do you remember the name of that bush, the scientific name? Because they're all over Egypt.
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Tim Hogan
Oh, yes, it's the tamarisk. Well, there's the tamarisk and then there's the acacia, but they're all over the area. But there's tamarisk. The thorny tamarisk is what they say was probably the burning bush.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right. So there are these perennials, this is for the audience all over Egypt that these perennials have highly volatile oils that are flammable. When the conditions are correct in the desert, they catch fire.
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Tim Hogan
That's exactly right. And if you extract the ashes from that, you can extract this monoatomic gold from those ashes. This is also, by the way, we believe why the later on, the Hebrew priests at like Solomon's temple were demanding all these burnt sacrifices, because again, you could extract the monatomics, the manna quote, unquote. In manna, by the way, manna just in Hebrew means what is it? It's literally what it means is what is it? And it's called that because if you do a spectroscopic analysis or a chemical testing with this monoatomics, it doesn't show up as anything.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
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Tim Hogan
So it's like mana, what is it? You know, so, so take us to the.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Back to the ark. The mana is in there, so it's.
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Tim Hogan
Placed in the ark. Even the Bible says that there was a pot of mana placed, placed in the ark. But if you, if you.
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Interviewer (AJ)
And manna provided throughout the entire Exodus.
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Tim Hogan
Correct? Yeah, yeah. Well, in Moses, he also burned the golden calf into this white powder. And for centuries, scientists said, oh, see, this is just proof the Bible's, you know, ridiculous because everyone knows gold melts. It doesn't turn into a powder, but actually if you do this alchemical process to it, it does turn into a powder. And it does not only you can see this in ancient Egypt, on all the temples, wherever you see an ark, you will also see the pharaoh with his hand out with this mound shaped cone on his hand. That cone mound is the manna. It is the manna bread. And when you actually, when you form the mana in the vessel, when the gold, it phase shifts into this other dimension. And when you bring it back in the vessel, it forms that exact mound shape. And so that's why they're depicting it that way. But the pharaoh would eat that and it had incredible health benefits in terms of curing cancer and everything else. But it was also put inside those arks and it would produce this tremendous amount of power, I'm certain. Actually that's why these phase shifting UFOs, these UAPs that are phase shifting the same way that the gold does when you, when you do this alchemical process to it, that's what they're doing. They're mining this stuff, you know, because it allows them to use. And by the way, the Hebrew tradition referred to the substance as manna. Right? And it was said to, if you read texts like the Kebrik Negas, which is the Ethiopian text that talks about King Solomon's flying craft.
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Interviewer (AJ)
In Menelik. Yes, right.
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Tim Hogan
In Menelik, King Solomon's flying craft was said to be powered by this mana. Right.
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Interviewer (AJ)
But wait, there's more.
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Tim Hogan
But wait, there's more. In the ancient Vedic texts, they talk about flying craft and they're referred to as vimana. In the Sumerian text, they talk about the Anunnaki, these gods having flying craft. And the flying craft are referred to as shimana. In the Polynesian cultures that talk about how the Eastern island statues were moved, it was with a substance that was referred to as manna. Right. And in like Tibetan traditions, the white stone of Enlightenment was referred to as mani. It's all the same stuff and you find it universal. And the other unique thing that happens with this mana, when you put it in, when you subject it to a weak electrostatic or electromagnetic field, it causes the vessel containing it to start to weigh less than nothing. This is really how a couple people with rods could carry the Ark of the Covenant, which would have weighed several tons. Several tons, you know, with all that gold in acacia wood.
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Interviewer (AJ)
And maybe it's a coincidence or maybe not, but the priests that carried the Arkwood were the Levites.
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Tim Hogan
Right.
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Interviewer (AJ)
It sounds a lot like levitation.
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Tim Hogan
Levitation, right. Exactly. Yeah. Not that the word levitation is a Hebrew word, but, I mean, you tell me where the word levitation comes from.
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Interviewer (AJ)
It is just interesting.
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Tim Hogan
There are a lot of root words to things that we normally don't think of as with certain cultures. For example, the word ignite. Right, Right. Comes from ignis. Right. The Greek ignis, which meant fire. You know where that comes from?
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Interviewer (AJ)
No.
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Tim Hogan
It comes from the Sanskrit agni, which meant fire.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Okay.
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Tim Hogan
So agni became ignai, would get ignite, but, like, most people would never. They take it back to the Greek, but they wouldn't realize it actually comes from the Sanskrit. So there's words all the time that get incorporated into words we use in English. Or the word on. For example, when you turn on a light switch, on was the ancient Egyptian word for light. So you are literally turning on the light. There are lots of words like that that we have inherited that we do not really remember the origins of. And scholars are quick to point him back to the Roman or the Latin or the Greek. But the Greeks and the Romans, they got those from other cultures. Sure. So, I mean, it's.
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Podcast Host
Yeah.
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Interviewer (AJ)
You can see a lot of Polynesian cultures have words with Greek roots, but there's an argument to be made that it's kind of the other way around.
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Tim Hogan
Of course. Yeah. 100%.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So to the ark. What did the Israelites think they had. What were they doing with this?
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Tim Hogan
Well, so we believe this from a Templar perspective.
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Podcast Host
Sure.
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Tim Hogan
Okay. We are quite certain that the whole Moses story really goes back to. You have to understand the history associated with the pharaoh Akhenaten. So Akhenaten was the first pharaoh to proclaim monotheism in history. He said all the gods of Egypt were actually a part of one God that was known as the Aten, or my Aten, which in ancient Egyptian was Atonai.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
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Tim Hogan
When Akhenaten got deposed, because the Amun priesthood rose up and were like, hey, we're not going to do this one God thing anymore. Right.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Because they were Shadamun and the others.
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Tim Hogan
Right. So they had to go underground. Akhenaten had a brother whose name was Thutmose. And when Akhenaten was deposed, Thutsmosis is the one that took all the Atenist followers out of Egypt. And he took them up into Phoenicia, and they really literally became the Canaanites and became the early Hebrews. And so. And words like atenai became Adonai, which meant lord in Hebrew. But the ark, that is Associated with the Hebrew tradition really was one of these arks that was in Egypt. That was a power, literally was used to generate power. And we believe these arks according. Well, according to the ancient Egyptian account, these were technologies that had come from Utlant, which was their name for what we now call Atlantis. And it's depicted at Edfu at the temple of Horus. There's what is called the building texts that are on the wall there, and they show the gods, the nidirs, coming over in boats from the primordial mound that had drowned in the ocean. They came to Egypt to settle, and they also showed these arks on the boats being brought over. So anytime you see an ark in Egypt, one of these arks, it is always depicted on a boat. And it is because it was technology that was brought over from Utlant.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Sure.
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Tim Hogan
And deposited in these temples that were then used as power stations.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I mean, there's even that story in the Bible about Uzzah who goes to study the ark and is electrocuted.
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Tim Hogan
Literally. Yeah. He kills him. Right spot, you know, because he's shocked to death. Yeah. So. And. And that was the other thing. So the pharaohs are always depicted with these rods next to the ark because they were grounding rods. So you could. You could literally put the rod in the ground, drop it against the ark, you know, ground the electricity so then you could open it. And in the. But in the. The Torah or the Old Testament, these were. It was Aaron's rod. You know, that's what Aaron's rod was used for. Same thing. It was a grounding rod. You put it in the ground, drop it against the ark, discharge the electricity, so then you could handle the ark. But if you didn't do that, the ark would start to build up static electricity over several hours or several days, and then it would discharge through the. The winged figures on the top, the cherubim. And if you remember, in the story, Moses, he sets up a tabernacle in the wilderness, which he did with wool curtains. Right. And wool is also a static generator.
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Interviewer (AJ)
That's right.
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Tim Hogan
So it helped to build up that static, you know, that would. That would then be collected in the arc as a capacitor, which would then discharge it.
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Interviewer (AJ)
That's true. When they would send priests into the tabernacle, they would tie a rope around their arcs.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah. If they got killed, they could pull them out. Yeah. They wouldn't get electrocuted too. Yeah. So it's so. And so the Templar Order, they found six of these arks. Where did they find these in between Jerusalem and Egypt.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Okay.
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Tim Hogan
And most of them were found in Egypt. In fact, at the temple of Seti the first at Abydos, there's a secret chamber. It's called the Umm Seti room now, but it's a, it's a. It's a chamber. It's closed to the public. You know, we lead tours in Egypt and we show. We have access to this chamber. And what it has depicted on the temple wall is it shows Seti the first holding the mana bread in his hand next to an ark. And then it shows another ark on the boat undergoing transportation, but the ark right next to him. There's also three red Templar crosses that were painted by the order back in the clear back in the late 1100s. That's where they found the first ark was in that room. And that's one of the arks that they secured that we still have to this day.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So let's take a quick break and I want to come back and talk about the arks that you found. And I'd like to get into a little bit of ancient Egypt and how they could have worked as technology.
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Tim Hogan
Absolutely. Sure.
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Interviewer (AJ)
We'll be right back. All right, so the, the Hebrews had the arks. They probably didn't know what they were.
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Tim Hogan
You're correct. Yeah. Yeah. They didn't understand. Well, they had a ark.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
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Tim Hogan
For sure. They quickly learned that it could be deadly.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Sure.
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Tim Hogan
And it would probably, you know, it would build up this power. Interestingly, if you look at around the world and you'll see this all over Egypt, but also other places like Cambodia and in like Peru, there's these, what are known as. They're called butterfly clamps, which fit these stones together. And then there's these clamps and it's the same looking clamp. Those weren't actually, we believe, weren't really to hold the stones together, because if you wanted to hold the stones together, it would be thicker in the center and smaller on the sides. But in these cases, it's thicker on the sides and thinner in the center. So the purpose of them wasn't. And it was metal. We know it was metal that was put in there. The purpose wasn't really to hold the stones together. They were. They created a zipper effect around the temples. And they were like the receiving for these arks. So as the energy was broadcasted, it would be picked up by this metal zipper that would go around the temples and then they could just kind of plug into that. We think that is what they were really used For.
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Interviewer (AJ)
And you think there was about a hundred of them?
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Tim Hogan
Oh yeah.
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Interviewer (AJ)
At least around the world.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, maybe even more. I mean you find even to this day in Japan and the Shinto tradition, they have these arks that they bring out of their temples once a year in the paradem around the town. And they look exactly like the Ark of the Covenant.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I didn't know that.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah. But it comes from the early Japanese tradition of having these arks. So they were. It was an international thing that I think went back to this technology of Atlantis that when that civilization collapsed, there are certain ones that were preserved. And then later they made kind of like symbolic replicas of them. You see this a lot in Ethiopia to this day. They call them tabit boxes. But they.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So do you believe that the ark that is allegedly an axum in Ethiopia?
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Tim Hogan
I think it is real.
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Interviewer (AJ)
You think it is real?
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, I think it is one of the real ones.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Okay.
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Tim Hogan
I have no reason to doubt it actually. I mean that whole Ethiopian tradition there is very old.
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Interviewer (AJ)
The Cabernet Nagast talks about the ark coming there, correct?
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Tim Hogan
Yeah. And there's one of the earliest Jewish temples in Egypt was actually on Elephantine Island. And I've been into the ruins. That area is closed to the public, but I've been in there.
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Interviewer (AJ)
How do you get access to all these places, by the way? Tim does tours that I am definitely going to take. How do you get access to these places?
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Tim Hogan
Well, because the order's been there for the last thousand years doing research. So they just give us access because we've always been respectful. They allow us to do our initiation ceremonies in the great pyramid. Still, it's not a problem.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Does the Great Pyramid have anything to do with the arks?
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Tim Hogan
Some believe that the so called sarcophagus, the box that's in the king's chamber, was originally designed to hold an ark.
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Interviewer (AJ)
It would fit better than a body. Right.
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Tim Hogan
Others believe there is something else that is going on in Egypt at all these temples where you find these arks. There are also talks of stargates that are on. This is in the hieroglyphs on the temple walls. They talk about Stargates and that these arks were being used to provide the energy for these Stargates and that the pharaoh would go through these stargates and meet with the kneaders, the gods who would instruct him and then he would come back and pass that on to the rest of Egypt. There were only like seven pharaohs that were considered masters of the stargates. Hatshepsut was one. And then her son, Thutmose iii was one. Even Akhenaten, who was the great grandson of Thutmose iii, was also listed as a master of the Stargate.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I have an episode coming out at some point that's going to be controversial that alleges that Akhenaten might have been Moses.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, we think it was his brother, Thutmose. Thutmose became Moses.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Yep.
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Tim Hogan
Right.
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Interviewer (AJ)
And Tumosis ii, his. He was just found just a couple of weeks ago.
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Tim Hogan
Correct. Yeah. So there's. There is. We think so. There's some evidence that this idea of the Aten, the. The one God that Akhenaten talked about was actually known by the pharaohs. Going back to Thutmose iii, at least. And that it was knowledge that was secret amongst the pharaohs. That all the gods were aspects of one God. And it was only Akhdaten who then made that idea public. And that was where his real heresy was. Sure.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I mean, he moved the capital. Right. From Cairo.
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Tim Hogan
Right. And yeah, he set up tel Amana and he. And then, of course, Nefertiti was his wife. The real kicker there is that there are busts of Nefertiti. Well, same. That headdress that Nefertiti is wearing is actually a Mayan headdress. And on Elephantine island, there is a secret Tutmosis III temple there. And it shows Mayans trading beads with Egyptians.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Again, this is Anunnaki legend that after the great Flood, the Yucatan survivors went and Egypt survivors went.
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Tim Hogan
Correct. And we think what happened was actually.
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Tim Hogan
So the Mayans they referred to at Salon, which was the homeland, the Egyptian temple walls, talk about utlant, which is the same place. And that we think what the Egyptians later did. So the Egyptians inherited all this stuff, Right? They did not even know what most of it was.
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Interviewer (AJ)
They found it.
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Tim Hogan
They found it. I mean, when they found the serapen, for example, where there was these giant granite boxes that weigh 700 tons and are so perfectly and precisely made. The Egyptians couldn't have made that. They had copper tools.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right. And I've seen those right angles measured with lasers.
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Tim Hogan
Right. And they're precise.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Yes.
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Tim Hogan
No one knows really what the boxes were for. According to early accounts, the only thing that was found in them was a white powder.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right, Right.
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Tim Hogan
So it was probably this monoatomic gold and it was probably a survival bunker to preserve this stuff from the cataclysm. So when the Egyptians later found it, they were totally freaked out. We know they were, because they, they started sacrificing bulls there. They started eating the dirt out of the temple walls because they thought it might have magical properties. I mean, these were not the technologically advanced people who made those boxes. These were the later people who found them clearly and were trying to process it. But, but we also know that the Egyptians wanted to find the original homeland of the kneaders and of this tradition. So they probably sailed in boats over to the Yucatan and met with the Mayans who had the same tradition. And you know, we don't know how much they associated with them. But we do know, like in the Valley of the Queens, for example, there's a tomb dedicated to a queen Maya and there's Mayan artwork in the tomb. You know, so there had to have been some, some cross breeding going on. And it may be that Nefertiti herself was a Mayan princess. She was said to have come from a foreign land. And, you know. And that was Akhenaten's wife.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right. So.
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Tim Hogan
And then King Tutankhamun was their son.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
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Tim Hogan
And his original name was Tutank Aten, after the Atenas. In fact, his throne says Tutank Aten on it. And. But he had to change it to Amun, because the Amun priesthood took over at that point. So.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So we've got the arcs transmitting energy. I subscribe to the pyramid power plant theory.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah. If you were to put one of those arcs in there and turn it on, I mean, even without adding chemicals and everything else to create that energy, as is the theory, even beyond all that, the granite in there is pazoelectric.
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Interviewer (AJ)
That's the Rose granite.
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Tim Hogan
Right, the Rose granite. So as that pressure is put on, produces electricity. It's in the middle of the desert. The pyramid itself is a giant static electrostatic capacitor. If you stand on top of the pyramid and you take a bottle with a wet rag on it and hold it up, sparks are going to be shooting off the top of it, just because it's already building up static electricity. But then if you put an arc in the center of it with this monoatomic substance, the superconductive substance is going to really generate a lot of power.
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Interviewer (AJ)
And you throw a gold capstone on top.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, of course, it's just going to transmit it throughout the region. And really, I think there's some theories that Nikola Tesla, when he was developing his Wardenclyffe. Wardenclyffe Tower, and all of his research he was doing in Colorado Springs, Colorado, he was trying to mimic this process.
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Podcast Host
Sure.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I mean, he built Wardenclyffe on top of an aquifer.
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Tim Hogan
Correct. Just like Giza, right? Just like Giza, Yep.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Here's where I get tripped up is I can buy into that, the fact that there's electricity flowing around the ancient world. But what were they powering?
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Tim Hogan
I think they were powering the same things we power today. I think by some accounts, the Earth was as populated and as advanced as it is today.
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Interviewer (AJ)
That's a big claim.
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Tim Hogan
It's a huge claim. I'm willing to make it because they're. There is evidence for that. There's even evidence of nuclear detonations in the ancient world at places like Mohenjo Daro and Harappa, even on Easter Island. And by the way, this is something you never hear about. So Mohenjo Daro in Harappa in India, there was A script that was found. The only other place we find that exact same script is on Easter island, which is on the exact opposite side of the globe. So there was clearly a worldwide advanced civilization that was going on. Harry Truman, when he wrote in his diary entry that, by the way, Harry Truman was a past grandmaster of Missouri for freemasonry. He was a 33rd degree Freemason and he was a Templar. And when he wrote in his diary entry about the discovering of the atomic bomb, he says, we have discovered an ancient weapon.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I didn't know he said that.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, those were his exact words. We have discovered an ancient weapon.
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Interviewer (AJ)
And these texts you're talking about, they do talk about a sky filled with fire.
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Tim Hogan
Absolutely. Oppenheimer was a Sanskrit scholar.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Yes.
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Tim Hogan
That's why when he said I've become death, the destroyer of worlds. That is directly from the Mahabharata. Yes, and books like the Ramayana, the Mahabharata, they say things like. It talks about atomic detonations. It says Gurkha flying his powerful vimana hurled a single projectile with all the power of the universe. It was an over unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and Ankadas. Pottery broke without apparent cause. Elephants burst into flame and ran madly. The birds croaked madly. After a few days that passed over, all food stuff became infected. Hair and nails began to fall out.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Sounds like radiation poisoning.
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Tim Hogan
Radiation poisoning. The soldiers threw themselves in the streams to wash themselves on their equipment. Clouds roared upward, showering gravel. I mean these were all the descriptions of this weapon. And by the way, the vimanas were these flying craft. So this is in ancient texts. These were things that the, the Nazis were studying, that Anenerba were studying to try to develop this when they were developing their B2 program that Oppenheimer that was in charge of, and then he was brought over to establish the NASA program for the Von Braun. Von Braun, Yeah, Wernher von Braun. Sorry, not Oppenheimer. Wernher von Braun. He was in charge of the V2 program. He was brought over to develop Saturn 5 for NASA. But again, we're talking about ancient technology and there is plenty of evidence of this around the ancient world. And it's mentioned in the text, the ancient texts. So I think the world was a lot more advanced than anyone's willing to talk about. I think there was this mass cataclysm. I mean just like today, most of the major cities were on the coasts. As sea levels rose 300ft, it just erased everything. And then all that was left over was the myths and some areas of survival. One of the things that we point out when we go to Egypt, for example, we do the tours in Egypt. This is not a well known or popular theory, but we believe that the Valley of the Kings, for example, was originally survival bunkers because most people think of them as just these tombs built into the cliff sides. But what they do not realize is all those tombs are connected by these tunnels that go deep down into the earth where they are all connected. It would have taken thousands of people to carve out all these tunnels. If you were a pharaoh and you are trying to find a place to hide yourself where you are buried, you are certainly not going to hire thousands of workers to create a bunch of tunnels so that you could be buried down there. I mean, the secret would have gotten out right away. So we believe that from a Templar perspective, that the pharaohs wanted to be buried at the place where their ancestors originally came out after the cataclysm. And so the other thing that these pharaohs did is they, in their tombs, they tried to preserve the knowledge of that civilization prior to the cataclysm. And so we show, for example, in certain tombs where there's these tall men with red beards that have baby woolly mammoths and giant sloths on leashes, like.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Pre ice age animal.
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Tim Hogan
Pre ice age animals that the Egyptians shouldn't even know about. And there they are carved in the tomb, being preserved by the pharaoh. Why would he want to preserve that in his tomb in that area?
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Interviewer (AJ)
Is that public or is that something that you've seen?
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Tim Hogan
It's something I've seen. I mean, I can show the photos of it, but I mean, that's one of the things we show when we go on these tours, you know, so people see it.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Your tour will go in there.
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Tim Hogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We show it because the.
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Interviewer (AJ)
The Tomb of the Kings, that network theory, that's disputed, but have you seen that network?
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Tim Hogan
Oh, yeah. Well, they have it. They have, yeah, that entire tunnel network is they actually, when you go into the entrance of the Valley of the Kings, they have a model of it for the public to see.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Oh my goodness.
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Tim Hogan
Looks like a giant ant farm underneath there. And some of them go down, you know, two, 300ft down into the. In there. Why did they even have these tunnels for their tombs? It doesn't make any sense.
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Interviewer (AJ)
It doesn't.
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Tim Hogan
It makes sense if you understand those were survival bunkers.
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Interviewer (AJ)
It makes me think of the underground city, Derinkuyu in Turkey.
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Tim Hogan
Same type of deal. Exactly. Yep, exactly. Same type of deal. And for that matter, and this is another Templar related thing, one of the things that the Order also discovered when it first went to Egypt is that there were these massive tunnel networks that existed between Giza and Saqqara. All right, Saqqara is where the step pyramid of Zoser is. That word. Saqqara is actually where we get the word sacred from.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Okay.
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Tim Hogan
But there are tunnels that stretch that whole way. Large tunnels, that area that underground. In the ancient Egyptian language was known as Ross Tau, which just meant underworld. When the Templars discovered this, they brought that knowledge back with them and they transliterated the Egyptian Ross Tau into the Latin language they are familiar with. So Ros became rose and Tau became cross.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Oh, my goodness.
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Tim Hogan
So they adopted the symbol of the Rose Cross to talk about the secret underground area of Egypt. And then when they went and set up the cathedrals, when they started building the cathedrals of Europe and they were bringing back this Egyptian knowledge, and they were trying to set up the cathedrals in the same manner of the Egyptian temples. And they put their alchemical knowledge, like you could go to Notre Dame Cathedral, the front doors of Notre Dame Cathedral, they have all the stages of alchemy depicted, which nobody knew at that time, except for groups like the Sabians and the Druze in the Middle East. So it's very clear the Templars were associated with them and bringing this knowledge back. But they set up the cathedral. So if you view them from the sky, they're crosses. But then they put the rose windows in them. Right. To make them rose crosses.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
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Tim Hogan
Ross Tao, that knowledge from Egypt, from the underworld of Egypt.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So the Rosicrucians are the followers of.
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Tim Hogan
Correct, yes. So the Templar Order, when they created the Rosicrucian order in Germany, that symbol, the Rose Cross, was really just pointing back to the Ross Tau, the underworld of Egypt. And this is also why they also brought over. They put the Black Madonnas and the crypts of the cathedrals. This was harkening back to the temple of Isis, where they had their grand commandery in Egypt, where they had the granite or the basalt statues of Isis with the young child Horus on her lap. That was, you know, it was black basalt in ancient Egypt. So they just recreated that image and painted it black and put it in the crypts of the cathedrals where they're holding their secret initiation ceremonies. And it was to harken back to that origin in Egypt. And there was a lot of things like that. I mean, another Example is the Baphomet. Right. They were accused of worshiping this ram headed figure. Right. Well, what that ram headed figure was is it was actually the God Amun of ancient Egypt, which was where we get the word amen from. And it was a ram because it was created during the age of Aries. All that Egyptian stuff was largely created during the age of Aries. Judaism came out of that age of Aries, which is why they use all this shepherd metaphor and the, and you'll see the rabbi with their locks that are made to look like lamb, lamb ears, you know. But. That word baphomet, it actually comes from ancient Egyptian. Ba meant soul, FA meant from, and maat meant universal order. So it was literally the soul from the universal order and that was Baphomet. But it was a figure of the God Amun and he was a ram because what sound does a ram make? Ba.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Ba. Oh yeah.
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Tim Hogan
Which means soul. You will see this too. If you go to, to Karnak, for example, there is a row of sphinxes. And as you are going into Karnak, you will see all these ram headed sphinxes because again, the ram was Amun. But then they have ram heads, but they have lion bodies. And the reason for this is the lion represented the age of Leo.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Where.
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Tim Hogan
The Egyptian civilization came out of.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Sure.
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Tim Hogan
But then the temple was being created during the age of Aries, which was the rain. Right. So that's what they were saying. They were saying, look, we're creating this temple now during the age of Aries.
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Interviewer (AJ)
How far back would that take us?
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Tim Hogan
Well, so the age of Leo was during the younger Dryas cataclysm.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Of course, so.
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Tim Hogan
And that's when the sinks was built. Right, right. Was during that time facing Leo. Facing Leo on the horizon. Yeah. So it was saying, look, our foundations that we came out of was during the age of Leo, during the cataclysm, the younger Dryas cataclysm we are now practicing under the age of Aries. So the God Amun is depicted as a ram for that reason. And the ram of course says ba, which is the soul.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Let's talk a little bit about the controversial stuff regarding religious artifacts.
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Tim Hogan
Sure, absolutely.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I mean, I've been following you for a long time. I don't think you can get away from these anymore.
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Tim Hogan
No, no, no, let's do it.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I don't know. Do you want to? I might be more comfortable you telling what you found than me putting words in your mouth.
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Tim Hogan
Absolutely. Sounds good. So the Templar Order found a number of artifacts as they were digging in Jerusalem and in Egypt, they found these arks that we talked about. Six arks in particular. Six arks that they captured. They brought back up through into Lebanon for a while, and then into France and into Portugal and into Scotland. And from there, they brought them over to the New World. So they were traveling over to the Americas. They actually had. By the time the order was suppressed, by 1314, they had already mapped all of North America.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Sure.
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Tim Hogan
They hid. They were trading with the Mayans. In fact, if you go to Rosslyn Chapel, which was completed by 1420.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Yeah, I do want to talk about that.
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Tim Hogan
There's a stained glass window that has American corn and aloe cactus depicted on it.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Yes.
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Tim Hogan
But it also has Mayan pyramids.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I did not see those.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah. So the corn is coming out of these Mayan pyramids. Right. Which should not be there.
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Interviewer (AJ)
No, they shouldn't.
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Tim Hogan
But they are very clearly Mayan pyramids. And it is because the Templars were trading with the Mayans. And that is a whole other story. When we do a tour down into Mexico, we meet with the Mayans still to this day, they still put the equal armed cross of the Templars on their altars. And we still have the same secret grips and everything that we do. But.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Well, then we have to get back.
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Tim Hogan
But that's a whole nother. That's a whole nother topic. But it is.
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Interviewer (AJ)
But we need to sidetrack for that for just a second, because to support that theory that the Templars were trading with the New World. Can you tell the story about Columbus?
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Tim Hogan
Oh, yeah. So Columbus was a. He was a freelancer, bit of a rogue rogue. He. He actually, he caught wind of the fact that there was land on the other side of the Atlantic. To the day he died, he still thought it was India. He didn't realize it was a different culture. But he, you know, he figured this out and then he went and he pulled the daughter of one of the Templar grand masters out of a convent, married her to try to get Templar maps and knowledge. Then once he was able to get that, he then went to the king of Portugal and said, fund me to go to the New World. There is land across the ocean and there are sacred artifacts that were moved there. And I am going to go get them for you. And of course, the king of Portugal was like, we do not need you. Because Portugal was actually founded as a Templar state. And when the Templars were suppressed, they just changed their name and continued to be the seafaring, like Vasco da Gama. Was a Templar grand master of Portugal. So they were already still exploring all over as Templars. They just changed their name to the Knights of Christ. They already knew there was land on the other side. So he said, we are not going to help you, Columbus. So Columbus went to the enemy of Portugal, which was Spain, and he sold Queen Isabella on the idea of, look, not only is there land on the other side, but all these sacred artifacts were brought there, including these arks and everything else. I am going to go get them for you. So she funded them. And this is the real reason why he put the Templar cross on his boat, because he knew that the natives would recognize it when he got there. He knew that the Templars were already.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Traveling over there and friendly.
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Tim Hogan
And friendly, yes. Already had friendly relations. So it was very easy for him to go in. Then when the natives saw the Templar cross, they were like, oh, it's our buddies. But then Columbus went in and started enslaving them and bringing them back. He was terrible about it. So that's the real story behind Columbus. And it's the reason why Columbus and the Spanish that came over afterwards, originally they were looking for these holy artifacts that the Templars had brought over. They knew the Templars had brought them over. They knew they had associations with the natives, so they had to be somewhere. And then it just turned into a lust for gold after that.
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Interviewer (AJ)
But the Spanish clearly had an interest in the supernatural elements by going after the fountain of youth and the lost city of Z.
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Tim Hogan
That's exactly right. Yeah. But it was all tied into these kind of grails, legends, you know, that were tied in with these artifacts. And the Templars did. They did bring these artifacts like the arks. So this kind of goes back into the artifacts. They brought these arks and other things over to the new world, and they did establish relations with certain tribes who helped to protect and continue to this day to protect and preserve them. So we have a series of vaults that we set up to hide these artifacts in and some of the other artifacts.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Now I have to ask you, where are the vaults?
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Tim Hogan
I can't tell you that.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So, folks, he's not going to tell.
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Tim Hogan
Us, but I will say that there was originally seven vaults. There's only two now.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So since you can't say where they are.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Can you describe what they are? What they look like? Are they guarded? Are they climate controlled? What is a. What is a vault?
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Tim Hogan
Like, it's just like a big underground vault that was originally covered over with cement made of like crushed lime shells. And. And then dirt and just buried, you know, it was buried in specific areas.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Are they guarded or are they hit? Or hit.
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Tim Hogan
I'll say. I'll tell you this. I'll say. Say, I can tell you this much. One of the vaults is in Washington, D.C. wow.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I have not heard you say that before.
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Tim Hogan
I have never said it before, but it's at an area that I think most people wouldn't expect. And it's on national park property.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I might want to slow you down there.
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Tim Hogan
Well, there's no way for people to get. Okay, so that is protected. And even the Park Service doesn't even know it's there. I mean, we have people who watch it and make sure it's, you know, not being broken into, but it's. It's in an area people wouldn't expect.
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Interviewer (AJ)
We're not trusting the American government for security.
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Tim Hogan
No.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Okay.
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Tim Hogan
No. Okay. No way. So. But it is in Washington D.C. okay. The other. The other vault is actually in Montana. At an area in Montana, which we haven't said before either. But in fact, Lewis and Clark, when they did their excursion, when they were doing their trip up there, one of the things they were checking on was that vault. When Jefferson sent them up there, they were checking on that vault. That was one of the things they were checking on as part of their mission.
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Podcast Host
Jefferson, a Mason.
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Tim Hogan
He was a Templar.
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Interviewer (AJ)
He was a Templar. So he knew.
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Tim Hogan
Correct. And there's some speculation he was also a Mason. I mean, there are. No, that's debated because there's no records of his initiation. But when he died, there was a Masonic funeral held for him. He was known to have also attended the Lodge of Nine Muses in France, which he wouldn't have been allowed to do unless he was a Mason. He had nephews who were named after him who were all Freemasons, and there were Masonic codes that were found amongst his writings. He wouldn't have known all that unless he was involved and he was a Templar. Of course, when Lewis and Clark were sent, they were Masons and they were trading aprons with some of the tribes. Why would that be? It is because those connections were already established centuries before. In fact, anytime you encounter a tribe that uses the Red Equal Arm cross or the Cross of Lorraine, which is. Archaeologists say, oh, it was their way of depicting a firefly or not a fire, a dragonfly. Well, no, it was not. It was actually a Cross of Lorraine because it was a Templar symbol.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Sure.
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Tim Hogan
So these were all tribes that had established connections with the Templars already. So anyhow, one of these tribes continues to protect one of the vaults up in Montana. So those.
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Tim Hogan
At one point in time there used to be seven vaults, one of which was actually on Oak Island. Right. With the whole Oak island mystery is. But we cleared that out in 1765. This is going to be a bummer for people who watch the show, but our records say we cleared that out in 1765 in preparation for the American Revolutionary War because we already knew that we were going to have to do that war to establish the United States as a free state and from England where these freedoms could be perpetuated. And Benjamin Franklin was actually one of the people in charge of making sure that vault was cleared out. To gain the money and resources, a lot of the gold had to be melted down to be used to fund the revolution.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Sure.
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Tim Hogan
So that was a whole nother thing. So there were. Other than the arks, there were other artifacts. One of the things that was discovered in East Jerusalem, in the area it is now referred to as the Talpiot Tomb, There was a tomb in East Jerusalem that was discovered that had ossuaries in it. These ossuaries contain the bones of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, John the Baptist, and their children. And I say their children because it was also. It was. According to our records, Templar records, Jesus was married. I'm sorry, Mary Magdalene was married to John the Baptist prior to Jesus, and that they had children. When John the Baptist died, he was killed. Jesus then took on the responsibilities of John the Baptist.
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Interviewer (AJ)
John was the earlier Messiah, Right?
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Tim Hogan
Exactly. And Mary was the financier. She was a very rich woman. In fact, her name, Magdalene, comes from magdal, which meant tower. And she was the woman of this tower. She had a lot of wealth. She was funding John the Baptist. And he was meant to be the original Messiah figure. And then when he was killed, Jesus took on that role.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I want to ask you about that. I want to set this up just for those listening, because it is an extraordinary claim. In 1945, the gospel of Philip was found in ancient Egypt, which Mary Magdalene is featured very heavily and considered Jesus favorite disciple. There's even a passage of them kissing, right?
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Tim Hogan
Yeah. He used to kiss her on the mouth.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Yes.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah. And these were. And by the way, again, when the Templars were doing all that research in Egypt a thousand years ago, they discovered some of these clay jars, Najamundi, where all the Najamundi scrolls were found. That is about five minutes from the Valley of the Kings, right next to it. People do not realize it is right there.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I didn't know that.
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Tim Hogan
So all of that research that the Templars were doing in Luxor, which is just right outside of the Valley of the Kings, and then they were going into these tombs in the Valley of Kings, they were going into that whole area of Najamundi, and they found some of these texts, which is also part of what they brought over to the New World. And it supported their Gnostic belief system that the Templars were secretly practicing at the time.
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Interviewer (AJ)
And Gnosticism is.
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Tim Hogan
So it comes from the word gnosis, which means divine revelatory knowledge. And it was the belief that anybody, through their own efforts, could tap into this universal consciousness that was referred to as the Christos. And so rather than Christ being the last name of Jesus, like, I think many people think Jesus Christ is like his last name, Jesus. When he was speaking as the Christ, he was speaking as this universal consciousness.
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Interviewer (AJ)
It could be argued that he was a Gnostic in this sort of way.
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Tim Hogan
100%. And not only that, but according to our Templar belief, Mary Magdalene was quite possibly a priestess of the Isis tradition of Egypt. And Mary Magdalene represented what was known as the Sophia, which was Wisdom, the goddess of wisdom. And according to the early Gnostic tradition, Sophia was the bride of the Christ, just like Mary Magdalene was the bride of Jesus. So Jesus represented the Christos, Mary Magdalene represented the Sophia. And their story was really the story of the journey, the spiritual journey of every person who incarnates on this planet, who is a soul who incarnates in the matter, who gets lost in it, eventually works their way out of it, they come to marry or unite with the universal consciousness. And that's where the escape is from this prison planet.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Sure. Or we're here to learn, have experiences, and bring it back to the Christos.
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Tim Hogan
Exactly, Exactly. Yep. So that's Gnosticism in a real nutshell. I mean, there is a belief, the Gnostics believe that. This planet is a prison planet until you wake up. And then once you wake up, you can choose to incarnate back here to help wake other people up, to help other people escape the. The cave from the Plato metaphor. Or you could choose to just continue to reincarnate, to have experiences, or you could also choose to not reincarnate anymore, to exist in a different realm of light that's beyond this dimension.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Well, we have got about 10 minutes left for the next break, and I want to get into Gnosticism, alchemy, and all of that Emerald Tablet. But let's finish up with the bones. The bones, where did you find them? How do we know?
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Tim Hogan
So the Templar Order, they discovered this tomb clear back during the Crusades that was known as the Talpiot Tomb. And they removed all the bones from these ossuaries and they took them again, same routes. They brought them into Paris, into Scotland, and eventually over into the New World. And they put them in these vaults. And then back in the 1980s, this tomb was rediscovered where they found the boxes, the ossuaries that had the names on them. But the bones were missing. And it's because the bones had already been removed clear back during the Middle Ages. And not only were the bones removed at that time, but the. The Templars put three Skulls in the east, the west and the south of the tomb as kind of symbolic guardians of the tomb. And they buried it under a rose garden. So it was under the rose. That's really where that term sub rosa comes from.
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Interviewer (AJ)
It was beautiful.
- [106:20]
Tim Hogan
Which was the secret knowledge.
- [106:25]
Interviewer (AJ)
So why not test the bones? Why not release that information?
- [106:29]
Tim Hogan
We haven't had the technology to do that until recently.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right. So now we do.
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Tim Hogan
So now we do. So the hope is we've been hanging on to these things for centuries now we're finally at a point where not only do we have the technology to test them, but we have the technology to reveal them all to the world at once.
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Interviewer (AJ)
How much responsibility and weight do you feel about that?
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Tim Hogan
Quite a bit. But it's time. We've always been wanting to build up to this time where we could have a world community where people have the freedom to explore other ideas. And for the last 40 years, we've been trying to get information out there to break down the conditioning, because people have all kinds of cultural conditioning and beliefs.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Well, Jesus resurrected bodily to heaven.
- [107:31]
Tim Hogan
Yeah. So this interferes with that idea. But again, remember, that's a conditioning that the church has perpetuated. From a Gnostic standpoint, the Gnostics believed in reincarnation.
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- [107:46]
Tim Hogan
So it is not a problem for the idea that Jesus could have died and could reincarnate.
- [107:54]
Interviewer (AJ)
I have quite a few people in my audience who are uncomfortable with this story.
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Tim Hogan
Sure.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Can you put them at ease?
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Tim Hogan
Sure, absolutely. Another example of this in the Bible of reincarnation, beyond the idea of being born again, everyone thinks born again is this symbolic thing. Well, not necessarily. It could literally mean being born again. But there are also passages like in the standard Gospel, like when the disciples go to. There's a great passage where the disciples go to Jesus and they say, jesus. The people are saying that the prophet Elias has returned. And Elias is just the Greek word for Elijah.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
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Tim Hogan
So the Hebrew Elijah is the Greek Elias.
- [108:53]
Interviewer (AJ)
Elijah, by the way, also went bodily to heaven.
- [108:56]
Tim Hogan
Correct. But it says people are saying that the prophet Elias or Elijah has returned. And Jesus says he has, but it is in a new form that the people do not fully recognize yet. Then it says. Then the disciples understood he was talking about John the Baptist. Well, we know who John the Baptist's parents were. So that means if Elijah is returning as John the Baptist, it has to be he is reincarnating.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right?
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Tim Hogan
Right. So there is an example right there in the New Testament of reincarnation.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I would assume that the Vatican does not like Any of this.
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Tim Hogan
No, no, no, no, no, no. Because the Vatican would rather have you believe you have one life and the only way to get to heaven is through them, which is good business.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Sure.
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Tim Hogan
Right. They will also have you believe that it doesn't matter what sins you commit, but if you believe in Jesus, you do the crime, Jesus will do the time.
- [110:18]
Interviewer (AJ)
That's right.
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Tim Hogan
So you can still get to heaven. Whereas the Gnostics said, no, you are personally responsible for your own salvation and your salvation comes from awakening. And that part of that awakening is to your own personal responsibility. So you do the crime, you know, you do the penance to make up for the crime.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Last question. I'm going to put you on the spot a little bit.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah.
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Interviewer (AJ)
From what I understand, to be a mason in your 32 to 32nd degree.
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Tim Hogan
Correct.
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Interviewer (AJ)
To be initiated, you need to believe in a higher power.
- [110:54]
Tim Hogan
Correct.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Do you?
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Tim Hogan
Absolutely. 100%. I believe in God or source or Allah or whatever you want to call it.
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Interviewer (AJ)
The great Source.
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Tim Hogan
The great Source, the origin. And I consider myself a Gnostic. We believe that the supreme God comes from a realm of light that is beyond this matter. But there is a seed of that light within everybody. And part of what Jesus came back to do was he was a great exemplar. He was not coming as a savior. He was coming to give the example of how to live and how to bring that light outside of ourselves so that we can. And by the way, that light is within everybody, of all faiths, of all religions. All religions were started through a Gnostic experience, a revelation, certainly. So then that person became the prophet that started those religions. But they are all telling the same story and they are all pointing to the same source. And we are all connected by that light. This is why the Templars believed in freedoms come from God and they come from that source. And this is why they also believed in democracy, because it's inherently within us. And so we all have that right to have a say.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So when Jesus was performing miracles.
- [112:44]
Tim Hogan
Yes. And he said, verily, verily, I say unto you, these miracles you see me perform, ye shall do also. And those even greater than these, he was being an exemplar. And that we all have that potential within us. We all have the potential to heal. We all have the potential to awaken to this higher consciousness.
- [113:06]
Interviewer (AJ)
And that would be sort of my message to anyone who's uncomfortable with this is Jesus, I think, gave us a great gift with what he's passed down. And with the Templars continuing that message. Let's Take one last break and then gotta talk about Atlantis. I'm so excited.
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Tim Hogan
Cool. Yeah, let's do it.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I've been following your work for a long time. You know, I'm a fan. Just to tell the audience, when I did my Knights Templar episode, Tim was kind enough to trade a few emails with me and really enlighten me in a lot of things. And I've been a fan ever since because this is a very, very kind man. No matter. You could believe his claims. You don't have to believe them. This is a storytelling podcast. I love this story. And one of my favorite stories of all is Atlantis, Anunnaki, and all of that. So watching you contribute with Randall Carlson has been very exciting.
- [114:03]
Tim Hogan
Randall's great.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So Atlantis, what's your take on it?
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, so definitely from a Templar perspective, we believe that the Templar story is. Look, Atlantis was this advanced civilization. It was a worldwide network. There's some debate about where that center of activity was. Randall certainly believes it was in the Azores. For a long time, the Templar Order believed it was in the Azores. In fact, that's the whole reason why Portugal is in control of the Azores. Right. Because Portugal, again, was founded as a Templar state initially. Sure. And so that was all part of that.
- [114:51]
Interviewer (AJ)
I think some of Plato's writing lines up with that.
- [114:54]
Tim Hogan
It does, it does. And Randall does a great job of showing all that. But, you know, when it collapsed, we believe it was right when Plato said it was, which was 9,000 years before him, which was right at the Younger Dryas cataclysm.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Sure.
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Tim Hogan
We know that the ice shelves. There's three miles of ice that went from the North Pole all the way down to Chicago in North. North America. You also found this in Europe, and it all melted rapidly.
- [115:33]
Interviewer (AJ)
You believe in the impact theory?
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, I do. I do. I think so. You know, there's two theories out there. One is that was solar flare. Robert Schock suggests that the others that it was more of a comet fragments that broke up and hit the ice sheets. Graham Hancock certainly pushes that one.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I'm torn, but I.
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Tim Hogan
It could be both. Yeah, it could be both. I used to work for the space labs up in. In Boulder, Colorado, and we. We created a. A satellite that was called the Advanced Composition Explorer satellite, or the ACE satellite, and still exists. It sits at what's known as the L1 point between where the gravity of the Earth and the gravity of the sun is equal. So it just sits there in space and it looks at the Sun 24. 7.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right. The range points.
- [116:26]
Tim Hogan
Yeah. And what it's looking for is solar flares. So that we have an early warning detection system.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Does terrify me.
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Tim Hogan
Right. Because we could in all probability, we may have another. What's. There was a Carrington event back in the 1800s, and it just fried all. There was a solar flare. It fried all the cable, the telegraph cables, sure.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Set them on fire.
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Tim Hogan
Elected operators, but that was pretty much the extent of it, you know, I mean, there wasn't an infrastructure based on electricity back then. If that same event were to happen today, the government estimates that within two months, 80% of the population will be dead.
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Interviewer (AJ)
No question.
- [117:07]
Tim Hogan
Because everything we depend on, I mean, you're not gonna be able to use your computers, your phones, your cars, everything. Pumps that pump water and sewage, those will stop working. It'll be a mess. Right, and it will happen at some point.
- [117:28]
Interviewer (AJ)
Sure.
- [117:30]
Tim Hogan
What we found, though, also when I was working there at the Space Labs, is when we enter into areas where there's a more cosmic debris that's hitting the Earth, that same debris is going into the sun, which is also fueling more solar flares. So it could be both. We could have had these cosmic fragments that were hitting the ice caps, and they were also going into the sun, triggering more solar flares at the same time. So it doesn't have to be one or the other, it could be both. But what we do know is, regardless of what was triggering it the most, at the younger Dries, it was melting the ice caps rapidly. Sea levels rose 300ft. This is the reason why, for example, this is what formed the Great Lakes in the United States. It's what the separation of, like, England from the rest of Europe. For example, that English Channel, that's when that was formed. You can look at the bottom of the English Channel this day. There's still the foundations of houses down there. Because that was all above water.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I didn't know that.
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Tim Hogan
Oh, yeah, okay. So it's all, you know, it just caused mass flooding, mass cataclysm. And if there was a civilization as advanced as we are today, there's nothing of it that would have survived. If the same thing were to happen today, there's nothing we've created that would have survived 10,000 years from now. So. So from a Templar perspective, what happened was the cataclysm occurred in stages, and we'll just call them the Atlanteans. They sent out. Pockets of survival into certain places where they tried to bring their technology and their knowledge did they could be preserved.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Did they know that this was coming.
- [119:51]
Tim Hogan
They knew it was coming on some level and they couldn't stop it.
- [119:53]
Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
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Tim Hogan
And you know, according to Plato, they were greedy and whatever else, and so their, their, their selfishness and their narcissism led to them, you know, fighting with each other to not be able to develop what they needed to do to survive it anyways.
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Interviewer (AJ)
But he might have added that, he.
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Tim Hogan
Might have added that as a political statement.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Yeah, of course.
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Tim Hogan
Because, because there's, there's always a moral story. But under it is also hidden deeper truths. You find that in the story of Noah too. To give an example, in the story of Noah, the Earth is obsessed with its physical senses. Along comes a flood, right? And then Noah lets birds go into the air to test if there's land somewhere. Eventually, after 40 days and 40 nights, he lands on Mount Ararat and he makes a burnt sacrifice to God. Well, these stages correspond to alchemical stages of Earth is associated with physical association. Water was associated with emotions. It was kind of the next stage of alchemical work was associated with digestion. Air was the next stage. Noah lets birds go into the air and then fire was the last stage and calcination and mount. And Ararat is a Sanskrit word that means illuminated one, Right. So contained within this story of this cataclysm was actually this, also this, the secret science of awakening. And so that's what these ancient myths used to do. They used to incorporate both sacred knowledge and history. But in a, in a story, you know, that could be any child could, you know, enjoy, you know, so, but they were, but because there were all these myths, these same flood myths all over the world, I mean, the, the Templars figured that out pretty quick. So they figured out there must be something to this. And so the Templar order coin is secret tradition. Temple Order was secretly founded to go regain the technologies and any lost knowledge that was being preserved from this pre Diluvian civilization.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Did they find any?
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Tim Hogan
They did. Well, they found the arks, they found manuscripts, and they found secret knowledge. And more importantly, they found that the initiation rites that they were passing on, which involved, amongst other things, a symbolic death or killing of a candidate and raising them back from the dead, which represented not only the person dying to their old self and waking up to their new self, but it also represented that civilization that had collapsed and then needed to be raised again. But there was a secret hand grip that was given during this raising. And they found that this secret initiation ceremony was being preserved in the same manner all over the world. Ancient world. At certain areas, the ancient Egyptians were Practicing it. The Mayans were practicing it. The Druze were practicing it.
- [123:56]
Interviewer (AJ)
Even though they're supposed to have no.
- [123:57]
Tim Hogan
Contact Even though they're supposed to have no contact with you. It was the exact same initiation ceremony and the exact same secret handshake.
- [124:05]
Interviewer (AJ)
Did those ceremonies involve alchemy?
- [124:08]
Tim Hogan
They did, yeah. So alchemy was another big part of it. Right. Because alchemy was. This was believed to be the science of Atlantis. The colors of Atlantis were black, red, and white, which are the colors of the alchemical process. Literally the transformations that go from black to red to white. When you're doing the alchemical work.
- [124:38]
Interviewer (AJ)
What are the colors of the Knights Templar?
- [124:40]
Tim Hogan
Black, red, and white. What are the colors of the flag of Egypt? Black, red, and white.
- [124:45]
Interviewer (AJ)
Yeah.
- [124:46]
Tim Hogan
What was. What were the colors of ancient Egypt? Black, red, and white.
- [124:50]
Interviewer (AJ)
Yeah.
- [124:50]
Tim Hogan
You know.
- [124:51]
Interviewer (AJ)
Amazing.
- [124:52]
Tim Hogan
Yeah. I mean, it was. It was all the same thing. And the. So. And it was all in the science of alchemy, which, by the way, comes from the word alchem or alchemy. Kem or Kemet was the ancient name for Egypt. So it was the land, the land of Khem, or the Lamb of Kemet was this land that was preserving this knowledge. So alchemy comes from that. And the Templars were figuring this out. They were passing it on. There were three main stages in the alchemical process. The first was digestion, where you took whatever you were working on, whether it be a metal or an herb, and you put it in a liquid that would break it down. This was also associated with baptism. It was called baptism by water. Right. After which it would change, and it would turn black. When it did this, it was known as caput mortem, which means deadhead. All right, so let's talk about John the Baptist for a minute. What did he do? Baptized with water. And then what happened to him? Got his head cut off.
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Interviewer (AJ)
That's right.
- [126:21]
Tim Hogan
Dead head. Caput mortem. Right. First stage of the alchemical process. Then the next stage was distillation, where the liquid, you would heat it, and it would turn into a steam, and then you could collect that steam, and it would have within it the volatile chemicals, whether it be oils from an herb or oils from a. From like a gold chloride or something, you know, and a. A metal that had been broken down by acids as opposed to by water or alcohol. So that was the second stage associated with air, and it was always represented by birds and alchemical texts. And then the last stage was calcination or fire, where you burnt the original material down to its ashes and you extract the secret salts out of them, which was the hidden mana or these monoatomics. Yep. Right. And then you could combine these processes together to create this new elixir that was more potent than the original thing you started with.
- [127:38]
Interviewer (AJ)
Right?
- [127:38]
Tim Hogan
And that's how you create. All medicines are created this way, but all metallic transmutations are created this way too. So. And the original thing you were Want.
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Tim Hogan
Working on was associated with earth. The digestion was associated with water or liquids. The distillation was associated with air. And then calcination was associated with fire. And these were the liquid. You started with earth and then you went to liquid gas and plasma states basically. And this was all part of the alchemical process. And you find this even in the myths of Osiris, the God Osiris. In the story, first he is depicted as green which represented green vegetation. He is chopped up. He is thrown into the Nile, which is the water stage. Isis then goes to find him. She turns herself into a bird, starts flying around him. That was distillation. That was the air stage. And then she lights oil lamps and incense, puts them back together and raises them right to a new form.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
- [130:49]
Tim Hogan
Well, that's the alchemical process. Sure. It's the same with the story of Noah. Earth is obsessed with its physical senses. Along comes a flood, water. He lets go birds, distillation. He lands on Mount Ararat, makes a burnt sacrifice to God, calcination. It's the same science being depicted in all of these ancient texts. And the people that were passing on these stories were preserving these alchemical sciences.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Well, you said something really interesting. So we have white, black, and red. I believe those are the color stages of the philosopher's stone, correct?
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, yeah, that's right. So the philosopher's stone was just. You go through those stages of the. So technically, the. The entire alchemical process, it turns black, red, white, and then black, red, white again, and then black, red, white a third time. And. And then you're. You. You basically. You've purified it these different ways and extracted what you needed at each stage to create this philosopher stuff. Sure. That was. That was the idea behind it.
- [132:03]
Interviewer (AJ)
And before people roll your eyes, Isaac Newton spent most of his time pursuing this.
- [132:09]
Tim Hogan
85% of everything Newton wrote on had to do with alchemy.
- [132:13]
Interviewer (AJ)
Yeah.
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Tim Hogan
You know, I mean, it was just the 15 was on gravity or whatever, but he. But even that was tied into alchemy. He was noticing that. That there were. Under the. When he zoomed down on the elements and metals, he found that there was these secret forces that were acting, which we now recognize as covalent bonds and stuff that were forming between things. But there were these secret forces that he could see under the microscope, and he also saw those same. Same secret forces happening between the planets above. So he rationalized, according to the Emerald tablet, as above, so below, that there was. There was a force that was happening. That was happening both on the upper and on the lower.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Sure.
- [133:06]
Tim Hogan
And he was trying to understand what that force was. And so that's how he developed gravity.
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Interviewer (AJ)
But wasn't he working off a translation of. Of the emerald?
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, yeah. In fact, he had his own translation of it. He has, in my book Alchemical Masonic Ritual actually have Isaac Newton's translation of the tablet in it. I love that. It's also in my book Novo Clavis Esoteric.
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Interviewer (AJ)
We'll put all that stuff up.
- [133:31]
Tim Hogan
But it's. But it's. Yeah, that's what Newton was doing. And by the way, in that stage of the alchemical process, there's a certain point where, whether you're working with metals like gold or whether you're working with herbs, where you are trying to extract the secret salts out this hidden mana, these monoatomics, there's a certain point where it turns yellow, very yellow, and it looks like piss.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Yes.
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Tim Hogan
And the alchemists called this the alchemist's urine.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I mean, this is part of the.
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Tim Hogan
This is why everyone thought that you had to extract it out of urine.
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Interviewer (AJ)
That's what I thought.
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Tim Hogan
Right. But it's not actual urine. It's philosophical urine. It's. The alchemist described what things looked like, not what they actually were. So it looked like urine. So they called it urine. Or you if. Same reason why they called. When they first started digesting an herb and it would start to turn reddish, they called it menstruum. But it wasn't actual menstruum.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So.
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Tim Hogan
So it wasn't. And I watched your great episode on the Emerald Tablet and. And the discovery phosphorus and that came out of that. But. But it was. The true urine had nothing to do with urine.
- [135:08]
Interviewer (AJ)
Thank goodness.
- [135:09]
Tim Hogan
It had to do with. It looked like urine.
- [135:12]
Interviewer (AJ)
So all those people on those forums that were collecting their urine, they made a terrible mistake.
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Tim Hogan
Terrible mistake. Yeah. I mean, there's. And there are some people that believe that they're, you know, their pineal gland is excreting, you know, melatonin, but also dimethyltripline, dmt.
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LifeLock Advertiser
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Tim Hogan
And that it gets collected in the urine so that they could extract that out of the urine.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Oh, I never heard that. I'm not gonna try that one.
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Tim Hogan
But that's. But that's not. I would not recommend that. I mean, the true urine that the alchemists were referring to was. It's a stage in the process where it does. It looks like urine, but it's not really urine. It's. That's just what it looks like.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Who found the Emerald Tablet and does that connect to the Templars?
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Tim Hogan
So the. Well, originally the Emerald Tablet was said to be found. So it was written by Hermes, or Hermes Trismegistus. Hermes the Thrice Great. And it was said to be discovered.
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Interviewer (AJ)
There for just a second because Hermes tries Magistus. So that's Hermes and I think and Osiris together. Yes.
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Tim Hogan
Well, it's kind of. It's kind of. So the story of. Of Osiris, as I Just mentioned was an alchemical metaphor. It was also the story of Atlantis. Right. Where it was originally, it was the civilization, it got chopped up, sent out Isis. Isis, which, by the way, her name means throne or power. Osiris name in Egyptian is Osar. It was the Greek that named him Osiris. But his original name in ancient Egyptian is Osar. And the US part of it means Isis. It means throne, because that is where the power comes from. And then the SAR was his part, by the way. Sar is where we get the word sir and sire from.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Okay.
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Tim Hogan
But the throne was Isis, so the seat of power was Isis. So she goes and collects the pieces, brings them back together, resurrects them, and that's the story of Egypt.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right. And Hermes is the God of writing and knowledge.
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Tim Hogan
Great. Writing knowledge. In ancient Egyptian, he was. Or Tahuti.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
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Tim Hogan
Thoth.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Yes, Yep.
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Tim Hogan
So, and by the way, that story of Osiris also symbolically represented from a Gnostic standpoint, it represents the path that we all go through where we come into this world, we incarnate, we see everything in pieces. They're as separate. And it's only when we're able to put them all back together again into the oneness that we have the understanding of that we're all a part of this universal intelligence.
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Interviewer (AJ)
This is why I need you here for eight hours.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah. So that's another side. But so the Osias myth represented all these things. Right.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Okay.
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Tim Hogan
So back. And the. And the pharaohs used to go through an initiation rite where they would be symbolically killed like Osiris and then brought back. And by the way, this is what Templars believe Jesus was doing with Lazarus. He was initiating him because in Hebrew, Lazarus is El Assur. Well, l is the Egyptian article for God. And Assur was the ancient Egyptian name for the God Osiris. And he was raised in Bethany, or in Hebrew, Beth Anu. Beth means house in Hebrew, and Anu was the ancient Egyptian abode of the dead. So you literally had Jesus raising the God Osiris in the house of the dead, which was either a metaphor or it was an initiation rite. And we think it was an initiation rite because Templars continue to do that same initiation. Right. And we're not the only ones. The Mayans continue to this day do that same initiation rite. And you're raised by the same grip, the same hand grip. That's how when the Templars went over and met with the Mayans, they were able to give them this hand grip. They recognized it. It.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Yep.
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Tim Hogan
The hopi they recognize this same hand grip. They say this hand grip was given to them right before the last shaking of the earth. And it was given so that everyone, all the, the high priesthoods, this high shaman would all recognize each other again.
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Interviewer (AJ)
That's fascinating.
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Tim Hogan
We came back together because the Hopi.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Also have a legend about the ant people coming out of the caves.
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Tim Hogan
That's right. Who had brought them underground right before the shaking of the earth. Earth, yes, yes, the same cataclysmic myths. But the, the Druze of Lebanon, they have this same grip that they're giving in their initiations. The Sufi have the same grip. The same grip can be found within the Kabbalistic traditions of the Judaic. Kabbalistic traditions. So it's, and it is all associated with this symbolic death and raising ritual. And the fact that all these different cultures separated are practicing it and have the exact same grip suggests it all goes back to the same source. I was down in the Yucatan years ago and I was meeting with the Mayan and we give this grip to this day. I still participate when we do our tours, Allow, allow them to participate in these ceremonies down there and they'll do them. The Mayans will do these ceremonies for us because of my association with them. And. But they had these, they took me to this. They had recently taken apart this pyramid in order to use the stones to build fencing, which is kind of a sad commentary. It is, you know, but when they disassembled the pyramid, they found all these artifacts in them that they kind of put into a mobile home unit and turned it into a museum. And the figures are performing this initiation rite.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Amazing.
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Tim Hogan
And I asked him, I said, well, how old are these figurines? Do you know? And yeah, they'd actually been carbon dated to about 900 AD. Well, that's before the Templars ever existed.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
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Tim Hogan
It's before any European ever went over to. That we know of, went over into Yucatan. But the fact that they were practicing it back at least that far again suggests it's, it's a tradition they inherited and they say they inherited it from Echelon.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Yeah, I, I think it's, it's going to be in short order that the mainstream archaeology is going to become the fringe archaeology. And in my opinion.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, I think you're right.
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Interviewer (AJ)
We only have about 20 minutes left. So let's get back to the Hermetica and, and, yeah, and the Emerald Tablet.
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Tim Hogan
So, so, so the Emerald Tablet, supposedly it was originally discovered in Siwa in Egypt. According to tradition, Apollonius of Tyana discovered it. According to Templar tradition, Apollonius of Tyana was actually the apostle Paul. And that Paul just is short for Apollonius, which just means little Apollo. Right, right. But that's a whole nother discussion. But supposedly he discovered this tablet and. You know, at the grave of Hermes or Thoth, because again, Hermes was Thoth or Tahuti in the ancient Egyptian, and continued to pass it on. Now, what is interesting from a Najamundi. So Najamundi in Egypt is where all these earliest fragments of the Gospels were discovered in these clay jars. The other thing that they found in those clay jars were a bunch of Hermetic texts. Which means that these early Christians were revering Hermetic texts just as much as the Gospels.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Sure. I mean, I'm assuming most people know, but maybe not. But the Bible was. There was a lot of controversy what books would go in and come out.
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Tim Hogan
Right, Correct. Yeah. And some of those, some of those early fragments became part of the standard Gospels and some of them didn't. I mean, at the Council of nicaea they were removed 325.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So the gnostic texts were not going to make it in there.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, and a lot of the Gnostic texts just weren't going to make it in because they painted a different perspective. But those Gnostic texts were in line with the hermetic texts. And one of the things we have to understand about hermeticism in general, and the Emerald Tablet falls into this as well. It talks about as above. So below it says, it says that all was created by the meditation of the One, and it all goes back to the One mind. Well, Hermeticists believe that. Look, if you're the creator of all that is, say there's. There's nothing around you to create with because you're all that is. Right. You're the singular intelligence. The only way that you could create is within your own mind. And therefore everything that we see around us that we think is real and solid and everything else is just mind stuff. It's the mind of the Creator. And of course, 20th century physicists told us this. I mean, people like Maxwell, Planck and Heisenberg and others, they all said the more they look at the foundation blocks of matter, the more they appears that we're living in a mind.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Mind.
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Tim Hogan
It's all mind stuff.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Sure, if you can explain the collapse of the wave function, then go get your Nobel Prize.
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Tim Hogan
That's exactly right. That's exactly right. But it's completely in line with the hermetic text. And of course this is completely in line with the things Jesus was saying too. I mean, this is how you would perform the miracles. Because if your mind is a part of the greater mind and all matter, so called matter, is just made up of mind stuff.
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Interviewer (AJ)
What language is the tablet in?
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Tim Hogan
And so the. So supposedly the original, this original Emerald Tablet, which has never been found, but it's been translated over the centuries, was written in Phoenician. Oh, okay. So Phoenician. The thing we have to understand about Phoenician is the Phoenicians were basically the cousins of the Egyptians. In fact, even Osiris, when his body, finally, The parts of his body were reassembled, it was in Byblos, which was a Phoenician city. Right. But the Phoenicians. And by the way, if you look at the hieroglyphs for the letters, the simple letters, the standard letters, not like complex hieroglyphs that explain different concepts, but like actual letter forms. You look at the Egyptian hieroglyphs, for example, the Egyptian hieroglyph for the letter M is an owl. Right. And if you look at the Phoenician letter for the letter M, it looks like the head of that owl. You take the Phoenician and you take it into the Hebrew, the Hebrew letter mem. It's just a re. Emphasis of that Phoenician letter M. Yep. So you can trace the Egyptian hieroglyphs to the Phoenician, to the Hebrew very easily.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Yep. And I don't think that's controversial.
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Tim Hogan
It's not even. It's not controversial. And that's why a lot of the Egyptian words became Phoenician words, which became Hebrew words. And even to this day. So, but the, but the Emerald Tablet was originally said to be written in this Phoenician language, but was found in Egypt and supposedly. And then translations of it had been copied for the last several thousand years, going all the way back. Some of the earliest sources were Arabic sources copying it. And then later people like Sir Isaac Newton were making their own translations of it.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Could the Phoenicians have gotten that information from the Atlanteans?
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Tim Hogan
Possibly. I mean, again, the Phoenicians were kind of like the cousins of the Egyptians and they were both believed to be the same, essentially the same cultures. They even had the same gods. I mean, like Thoth or Tehuti of ancient Egypt was Tuat of the Phoenicians. So it was. And the Egyptians, even the Phoenicians said that their chief God was known as El Elyon, which just was this God of light. And the same El Elyon was probably the Aten of the Egyptians. That was the secret one God that all the gods were said to be a part of. In the same way. Even today, like within Christianity, we have the archangels. But if you rake down the names of the archangels, like Uriel, for example, El means God. So Uriel means the light of God. Raphael means God heals.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
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Tim Hogan
Gabriel means the strength of God.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I didn't know that.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah. Mikael means. Is like God. So they're all aspects of God.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Sure.
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Tim Hogan
Right. They're just like. So if you want to pray to the healing aspect of God, you pray to Raphael, because that means God heals.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
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Tim Hogan
So Raphael is the. The archangel that delivers the message that you need healing to God, you know, according to standards, modern Christian theology. But if you really break down the Hebrew roots, it's like these are their own beings, but they're aspects of God. In the same way. Ancient Egyptians believed that the. The different needle, the nidaru, the different gods were aspects of the one God. You know, that was the great secret that Akhenaten revealed and then got in trouble for.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Oh, yes.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah.
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Interviewer (AJ)
So you've got a tour coming up in March.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, in the March, beginning of April to Egypt.
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Interviewer (AJ)
What are we going to see? That. That other. That you can't see if you go.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, so if you go on our tours, we go to all the major temples in Egypt, and so that we start out in Giza and we start to go to the temples around Giza, and then we fly to Luxor and we see Luxor and Karnak and then all in Aswan and Osirian. Yeah, we go to the Osirian at Abydos and we have a lot of tourists. If you go to these places, you can kind of look over them, like the Sphinx. There's a kind of a lookout point where you can look down at the Sphinx, but you're not allowed to actually go into the Sphinx enclosure. But we have. Our tour has access to everything. So we can actually go into these areas. We can go into the Sphinx. We can go into the Osirian. There are secret areas in the Temple of Hathor at Dendera that are close to the public, but we have access to them. So we actually go into them. And then the trip culminates back at Giza and we have the Great Pyramid to ourselves. The last night, we literally. They kick all the tourists off the Giza plateau. We get a military escort to the Great Pyramid, they guard it for the night for us. And for those people who are interested in the Templar path, we'll initiate them.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Well, you can. In the pyramid you could petition to become a Templar.
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Tim Hogan
Correct? Yeah. So we have a priest study body known as the Templar Collegia and anyone can, could go to that. It's templarcollegia.org it's 40 bucks. You apply for 40 bucks or 50 bucks, something like that. We do a background check. As long as everything looks good, we send you your first study material. It's a thousand page book. It's called the Codex. And it's all the fundamental information that we feel like you need to know as a Templar.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I'm buying it today.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, it's great. And then there's a second code, Codex volume two, after you have studied that. So we get people starting to study that, but if they go on our tour, we will also initiate them in the Great Pyramid.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Unbelievable.
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Tim Hogan
We are the only group that is allowed to do this because we have been doing it for the last thousand years and we do it in the way that was always traditionally done.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Has Zahiwas ever gotten in your way?
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Tim Hogan
No.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Okay.
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Tim Hogan
No, no, we had, we came close. In 2011, we were doing initiations in there. But it was during the Arab Spring.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
- [155:31]
Tim Hogan
And Mubarak had just gotten deposed and, and Zahi Wasi just got fired.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Right.
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Tim Hogan
And that's a whole nother story.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Sure.
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Tim Hogan
You know, we don't need to get into right now, but like, but we had almost run into some problems then. And then there was about a 10 year period where we couldn't do it because things were too unstable in Egypt. But they're fine now. And when we travel on these tours, we have armed guards with us from the Egyptian government who make sure that we're all okay the entire trip. And you know, we set it up where we have private time in all these temples. You know, we go to the temple of Horus at Edfu, for example. We show you where the Atlantis myth is inscribed on the building or the legend of Utlant, that's what the Egyptian name for it is, Utlant. And so probably when Solon, you know, Plato's great, great great grandfather talked about the Atlantis myth, I mean he was learning about Utlant and he just called it Utlantis. And, and that's how it came to Plato. But we show you where Utlant is written on the temple wall. And it shows, you know, all the meters and boats, you know, coming to Egypt to set things up and they have with them an ark on the boat. And there is actually a replica of one of those arks in the Temple of Horus. And that is close to the public, but we actually have access to that as well. So you can go in and actually see the chamber and. And see the ark. It's a replica, but it's still there.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I would love the influence of the knights to get us digging in the Hawara labyrinth.
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Tim Hogan
Yes, yes, I've known about that for. I first went there with Robert Bauval back in 2010. 2011, and we were scoping that whole area out. It's been known about for a long time.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Well, since.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And there's still. There's statues poking out of the ground and everything there. It's. It's pretty amazing.
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Interviewer (AJ)
But there's that metal ring down there.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, 100%. That's. That's. There's a couple things that still need to be dug up in Egypt. That's one of them. There's also an area we go to on our tour called Elephantine island. And Elephantine island looks like a bomb went off on it, but it's where there used to be a very early Jewish temple on that island. There's a temple of Thutmose III there. Elephantine island was like the museum for the ancient Egyptians where they brought all of their discoveries. It's one the oldest places in Egypt and it's closed to the public, but we have access to it and there is a museum on the island and they have things like boomerangs that had been preserved there.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Wow.
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Tim Hogan
What were they doing? The boomerangs? And by the way, the boomerangs even have kangaroos on them.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah. So it's like, clearly the ancient Egyptians were traveling to Australia and bringing this stuff back and then preserving it on the island.
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Tim Hogan
We also know that one of there's an ark on Elephantine island that hasn't been dug up yet. Oh, and it's issuing so much energy that it's actually turning the granite into slate on the island, which normally would take take thousands of years, but something's doing it. There's so much high energy, it's speeding up that process. So we show that on the island and we kind of know where the ark is. But they've been digging down to it for the last 60 years. There's some German scientists right now who are in charge of all that. So, but, but again, and by the way, on the island there's also vegetation that you find. It's the only place in Egypt where you find this vegetation. And it's vegetation from the New World, from the Yucatan.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Amazing, right?
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Tim Hogan
Which again proves something. You know, they're bringing things back, growing it there. And there's temples too. There's. There's even a temple that has a mural of Egyptians meeting with Mayans on it on this island. And we show that there's no question.
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Interviewer (AJ)
There'S DNA evidence that these people. One last time, Tim, where can we find you online, learn more about you? Do you have seven books?
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, seven books. Well, you can find all my books on Amazon. If you just Google Timothy Hogan you'll find them. You can also find them at Lulu Press. You can find, there's a Timothy Hogan page that has all my books. If you are interested in the tours, you can, you can search for Templar Travel Tours. That's my company. Next year we're doing, we have a Egypt trip, we have a Mexico trip and we have a UK trip. And each of these Areas we explore. Not all these, The Atlantean connection, but the Templar connection with this stuff we show, we prove on the tour. So you can see for yourself, these Templar connections at these areas can't wait. And then the other company that I do that you can find me is, well, you can go to the templarcollegia.org that's where, if you're interested in potentially starting the study and becoming a Templar, you can do. You can go there and we can start you on that process. And then finally, if you look up Nura Buddha or Templar Made. Templar Made is my company where we manufacture monoatomic gold.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Okay.
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Tim Hogan
And we make that available to the public, too.
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Interviewer (AJ)
But not with urine.
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Tim Hogan
But not with urine. There's no urine involved. Yeah. Even though there's a stage in the process that's called the urine stage because it looks like urine, but it's not. It's actually gold chloride, which looks like urine.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Tim Hogan, this has been a treat, a joy.
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Tim Hogan
Yeah, it's been a super joy for me. I love the work that you do, and I'm so thankful that you brought me on here.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Please come back anytime.
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Tim Hogan
I would love to do that. We have a lot more we can.
- [164:19]
Interviewer (AJ)
Talk about so much. All right, have a great time. Bye, everybody.
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Podcast Host
That was Tim Hogan, who has become one of my favorite people. He's kind, compassionate, and he knows everything about the Knights Templar. But let's break down the conversation. Here's what we know for sure. Tim's credentials check out. He's the Grand Master of the Order of the Temple of the Secret Initiates. His family history of Freemasonry and the Temple Templars is documented. General Joseph Warren is real. The Denver airport connections are real. His father was mayor of Aurora. The standard Templar history He laid out 1118-1307. The banking system. Friday the 13th, Jacques de Molay's execution. That's all historical record, so there's no issues there. As for the big claims, Tim talks about the Younger Dryas cataclysm wiping out an advanced civilization. Well, that was fringe science until pretty recently. A 2024 study from the University of South Carolina found shocked quartz evidence supporting the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis that a massive comet, possibly 50 miles wide, struck the Earth about 12,900 years ago. The mainstream is catching up on this one, and I'm on board. As for monoatomic gold as a superconductor, that's another piece of pseudoscience that's becoming not so soon pseudo. There's actually a 2024 peer reviewed paper in the Benny Swift University Journal examining gold Ormus in relation to superconductivity research that Tim sells this stuff on his website. I can't vouch for it, but I can't debunk it. Purchase and consume at your own risk. Now the arc as an electrical capacitor. Well, the Jewish Bible Quarterly published an academic paper on exactly this theory. The gold wood, gold construction mirrors a Leyden jock. The science tracks even if the application is speculative. If you watch my episode on the Ark, I break down how this works scientifically. During our conversation we mentioned that Isaac Newton spent most of his time on alchemy. That's true. Indiana University's Chemistry of Isaac Newton project documents that he wrote about a million words on alchemy. Francis Bacon's New Atlantis being connected to Rosicrucians. Historian Francis Yates made that argument academically. Now one claim I couldn't verify. Tim says Harry Truman wrote we have discovered an ancient weapon about the atomic bomb. I searched Truman's actual diary entries from 1945. He calls it the most terrible thing ever discovered. But I couldn't find that specific ancient weapon language anywhere. Now the big ones, the bones of Jesus and evolved in Washington D.C. the six arcs his order claims to have. Well, the Talpa tomb was discovered in the 1980s. The as are real, the names are real. DNA testing was done. But whether those were the Jesus and Mary Magdalene, that's a bigger claim than.
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Interviewer (AJ)
I can process in one sitting.
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Podcast Host
My take is that Tim Hogan is either sitting on secrets that rewrite history or he's the most committed storyteller I've ever met. What I can't shake is how much of what he says lines up where the actual science is heading. The younger Dryas impact, the PZ oil, electric properties of the pyramid's granite. The hermetic roots of modern science. Mainstream research keeps catching up to ideas that used to be fringe. Now to learn more about Tim, check out his book the Templar Legacy on Amazon or even join him on one of his tours to Egypt or the UK. Check out Templar traveltours0.WordPress.com or easier is search for the Facebook group Templar Travel Tours. I'm actually going to go in one of these. There are Remember, Tim's not here to convince you of anything. What you believe is up to you. Either way, it's a heck of a story. Until next time, be safe, be kind, know that you are appreciated.
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Musical Performer
I play Polyus in Area 51. A secret code inside the Bible said I was. I love my UFOs and paranormal fun as well as music so I'm singing like I should.
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Tim Hogan
But then another conspiracy.
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Musical Performer
Theory becomes the truth my friends and it never ends no it never ends. I feel the crab cat and got stuck inside Mel's home with MK Ultra of being only true aware Did Stanley Kubrick fake the moon landing on alone on a film set with the shadow people there.
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Tim Hogan
The Roswell aliens just fought.
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Musical Performer
The smiling man I'm told and his name was cold I can't believe I'm dancing with the fish on Thursday night.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Night.
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Musical Performer
All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth so the one falls on repeat. The M Man sightings and the solar storm still come to a G the secret city underground mysterious number stations Planet CIR 2 Project Star game and what the dark watchers found. The Black Knight satellite so I can't believe I'm dancing with the fish and fish on Thursday nights with a weapons. All ever wanted was to just hear the truth of weapons on night when they change you and weapons. Love to dance on the dance floor because she is a camel and camels love to dance when the feeling is right Always in time.
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Tim Hogan
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. It's cough, cold and flu season.
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Interviewer (AJ)
Do not get caught feeling under the weather.
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Tim Hogan
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Tim Hogan
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