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Episode 639: Basement #009: Eric Wargo – The Block Universe, UFO Time Machines, and Precognitive Dreams
Date: March 30, 2026
Host: The Why Files
Guest: Eric Wargo (Anthropologist, Science Writer, Author)

Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the mysteries of time, consciousness, and the paranormal with Eric Wargo, a science writer and anthropologist known for his research into precognition, the block universe theory, and the intersections between UFO phenomena and consciousness. The host and Eric discuss taboo subjects in science—such as whether the future can influence the present—and explore ideas from quantum physics, retrocausation, precognitive dreams, and the artistic process as it relates to time loops. The tone is knowledgeable, open-minded, and playfully skeptical, with Eric providing detailed examples from science, art, and his own experiences.

Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Eric Wargo’s Unusual Pet and Personal Background

• [01:46–06:26]
  • Eric shares a charming story about his daughter’s pet monitor lizard, Sunflower, describing the unique bond and care required (“…it’s fascinating enough to bond with a cat… but… a reptile is really… another level if you’re an animal person.” [04:03]).
  • The conversation then shifts to Eric’s academic background: PhD in cultural anthropology, with parents who were psychologists. He discusses moving from academia into science writing and editing, notably for psychology organizations in Washington, D.C.

2. Taboo Science: The Hostility Toward Parapsychology

• [06:39–12:45]
  • Eric discusses the deep-rooted skepticism and even hostility in mainstream psychology toward parapsychology and ESP (“…studies have even been done on the degree of hostility towards parapsychology… psychologists are number one” [08:59]).
  • His own paradigm shift came after a personal UFO sighting and exposure to the works of Jacques Vallee and Daryl Bem’s “Feeling the Future” precognition studies.

3. The UFO Sighting and Catalysts for Inquiry

• [13:11–20:49]
  • Eric retells his July 4, 2009 Philadelphia UFO sighting—two orbs “dancing” in the sky—eventually reported to MUFON, which sparked his deeper research into UFOs and consciousness.
  • Eric processed his father’s death and his relationship breakup through oil painting, notably of UFOs, noting the frequent connection between anomalous experiences and a sudden burst in artistic creativity (“UFOs and paranormal experiences… often inspires people to do art” [18:46]).
  • Discussion on art as a method of integrating and processing anomalous experiences, referencing “Close Encounters of the Third Kind” and its parallels to personal crisis and creativity.

4. Jacques Vallee & Hermetic Influence

• [22:13–27:21]
  • The multidisciplinary and philosophical depth of Jacques Vallee’s work drew Eric in—not just the science but the hermetic, alchemical angle.
  • Vallee’s “control system” theory for UFOs and the lasting impact of The Invisible College.

5. The UFO Phenomenon: Orbs, Time, and Other Hypotheses

• [27:04–34:59]
  • Host and Eric discuss the prevalence of orbs in UFO reports—ancient and modern—and debate extraterrestrial vs. local, time-travel, and consciousness-based explanations.
  • The time travel hypothesis: Mike Masters’ argument that future humans/“Grays” could be time-travelers (“…if it’s going to be possible, it already exists…” [29:39]). Eric discusses convergent evolution and the likelihood of humanoids elsewhere.

6. Government Secrecy and Technological Suppression

• [34:59–43:17]
  • Discussion about anti-gravity, zero point energy, and time travel technology—claims that these are suppressed by the “military-industrial complex.”
  • Eric describes his detour into Cold War “deep politics” and why understanding that context is essential for making sense of UFO secrecy.

7. The Block Universe Theory

• [45:04–49:10]
  • Eric explains the “block universe” (Minkowski/Einstein): all moments—past, present, future—coexist; time is another dimension, and the present is a “cross-section” of a four-dimensional reality.
  • Retrocausation, wormholes, and time travel as mathematically and physically plausible.

“From that four-dimensional perspective, we’re worms… snaking through that four-dimensional block. And the present moment is a cross-section… of that four-dimensional reality.” – Eric Wargo [46:47]

8. Causal Loops, Precognition, and the Scarab Story

• [49:10–54:05]
  • Eric reframes Jung’s famous “scarab story” not as “synchronicity,” but as a time loop: the dream is precognitive and forms a closed causal circle (“…her dream caused her to tell her doctor… which caused… him to turn around and see a scarab and give her the beetle, which is what caused her dream in the first place” [52:12]).
  • Many “synchronicities” may actually be time loops—tautologies, not paradoxes.

“It’s the opposite of a paradox. A tautology is something that must happen and therefore is not interesting… but it’s the way the world works, I think.” – Eric Wargo [53:35]

9. Teleology, Retrocausation, and Science’s Bias

• [54:10–56:16]
  • Historical context: Aristotle’s four causes, Francis Bacon’s rejection of “teleology” (future causing present), and how modern science is finally reconsidering retrocausation under new language (“retrocausation is the new word for teleology” [56:16]).

10. Dreams as Precognitive Memory: Journaling, Lucid Dreams, OOBEs

• [59:01–67:41]
  • Dream journaling as essential for precognitive work (“Anyone who does precognitive dream work…notices this…” [65:13]).
  • “Calendrical resonance”—dreams that presage events exactly a year (or more) in the future.
  • Out-of-body experiences (OOBEs) and lucid dreams as forms of precognition, often mapping onto future waking events.
  • Eric shares examples: a one-year OOBE/precognition involving his wife’s shoes and a 26-year gap precognitive dream involving obscure biographical details ([66:32]).

11. The Minutia of Precognitive Dreaming

• [77:28–83:15]
  • Most precognitive dreams are mundane, filled with minor future details (“Our dreams just be littered with all these just minutiae of the future?” – Host [80:13]; “Absolutely. Yeah. It’s minutia of the future…” – Eric [80:17]).
  • Not just about spectacular events—mundane, personal minutiae also shows up (“You dreamed about spilling coffee on your shirt two days ago…”).

12. Major Case Studies in Precognition and the Arts

• Michael Richards – [83:36–86:51]
  • Sculptor who created images of himself being pierced by airplanes years before dying in the Twin Towers on 9/11.
• David Mandel – [86:51–88:08]
  • Artist who dreamt and painted the collapse of the Twin Towers exactly five years before 9/11, complete with photo documentation.
• Morgan Robertson/Titanic – [90:47–92:16]
  • 1898 novel “Futility” about the “unsinkable Titan” that parallels Titanic disaster.
• Philip K. Dick/Jacques Vallee ([94:42–98:57])
  • PKD’s stories and dreams often precognized later events or other works (e.g., “Radio Free Albemuth” and Vallee’s control system theory).
  • The use of his dreams, personal letters, and fiction to trace these time loops.

“Artists are more sensitive. They’re more in tune with emotional…intuition. But some people, they prioritize it.” – Eric Wargo [111:33]

13. Science of Precognition – Daryl Bem and Quantum Physics

• [113:34–122:48]
  • Daryl Bem’s famous 2011 “Feeling the Future” study: statistically significant precognition in lab settings (erotic picture “curtain test,” retroactive memory tasks).
  • Replication attempts have both failed and succeeded; at least 80+ replications, many positive ([119:06]).
  • Quantum experiments (Wheeler’s Delayed Choice, quantum computing, photon “retrocausality”) show retrocausation at a physical level.
  • The block universe idea is, Eric argues, not radical—mainstream physics increasingly accepts retrocausal concepts, renamed and reframed.

14. The Bootstrap Paradox and Flow State

• [136:19–140:59]
  • Bootstrap paradox: the origin of an idea or invention is a loop, with no “first cause”—“plagiarism of the future” ([138:50]).
  • Creativity and flow state: being “in the zone” is when your future self is “giving” you what you need (“Flow state is when you are cooking in terms of that bootstrapping…” [140:30]).

15. Free Will, Determinism, and the Zen Take

• [132:27–134:47]
  • “If everything is determined, why try?” Eric argues the paradox vanishes as you “sit with” the idea of block universe and precognition; agency remains meaningful because you never know the future in advance.

16. Remote Viewing and Consciousness

• [143:06–148:03]
  • Remote viewing may simply be a form of pre-membering feedback you’re going to receive.
  • Experiments need to carefully separate true ESP from retrocausal anticipation of future information.

17. Microtubules, Quantum Biology, and Memory

• [148:42–151:11]
  • Eric is intrigued by Penrose/Hameroff’s quantum microtubule theory, but sees memory (not consciousness itself) as the crucial area—microtubules may be the quantum mechanism enabling precognition during dream-based memory consolidation.

18. Teleology, Death, and Survival

• [151:21–154:41]
  • Eric posits that precognition tends to draw us toward futures we survive; anxiety may be a “signal” from a future self having survived some challenge.
  • Death: Eric expresses agnosticism—"intellectually, death is probably the end,” but admits that on a deeper level, we all believe in something beyond.

19. The Time Faring Hypothesis and UFO Orbs

• [161:00–166:03]
  • UFOs and orbs that split, merge, or vanish may be time travelers switching temporal direction, creating the appearance of two or more objects (the “S-curve” effect).
  • Multiple orbs could be a single ship “scrubbing” back and forth in time—hence the appearance of synchronized swarms at, for example, the Trinity test.

20. Final Thoughts, Where to Find Eric Wargo’s Work

• [167:21–170:07]
  • Eric recommends his blog (“The Night Shirt”) and his books Time Loops and Precognitive Dreamwork and the Long Self.
  • Substack (also “The Night Shirt”) for updated posts and commentary.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Block Universe:
  “From that four-dimensional perspective, we’re worms…snaking through that four-dimensional block.” – Eric Wargo [46:47]
• On the Scarab Story:
  “Her dream caused her to tell her doctor…which caused…the beetle, which caused her dream.” – [52:12]
• On Retrocausation: “No, no, retrocausation—that’s the new word for teleology.” – [56:16]
• On Dream Memory:
  “I think it’s a kind of memory…I think it’s memory going in the opposite direction.” – [59:01]
• On Finding Precognitive Dreams:
  “Anyone who does precognitive dream work…notices this…you have dreams on the pre-anniversary of events.” – [65:13]
• On Creators as God:
  "We're gods…creators are gods because they're creating from literally nothing. It's literally nowhere in the history of an idea…" – [138:50]
• On Anxiety:
  “Anxiety could be a signal…of our future withstanding of challenges and threats.” – [151:39]
• On Free Will and Determinism:
  “When you sit with the block universe as a koan…you reach a point where—holy shit—it’s beautiful. It’s liberating to get rid of the baggage of free will.” – [134:20]
• On Orbs and Time Travel:
  “An outside observer would see…two objects splitting or merging—that's what it would look like…” – [163:35]
• On Creative Time Loops:
  “Plagiarism of the future. So this is the time loop at the heart of creativity, I think…” – [138:50]

Key Timestamps

• Introduction, Taboo Science – [00:27–01:46]
• Pet Monitor Lizard/Personal Anecdotes – [01:46–06:26]
• Parapsychology and Prejudice in Science – [06:26–11:20]
• Eric’s UFO Sighting – [13:11–15:48]
• Art After Anomalous Events – [18:03–19:59]
• Jacques Vallee’s Influence – [22:13–27:21]
• Block Universe Explanation – [45:04–49:10]
• Jung’s Scarab Time Loop – [49:36–54:05]
• The Science of Precognition (Bem, Quantum Physics) – [113:34–122:48]
• Bootstrap Paradox Context – [136:19–140:59]
• UFO Orbs as Time Travelers – [161:00–166:03]
• Outro, Where to Find Eric’s Work – [167:21–170:07]

Additional Resources

• Eric’s Blog: The Night Shirt
• Books:
  • Time Loops
  • Precognitive Dreamwork and the Long Self
  • Becoming Time-Faring
• Substack: [The Night Shirt on Substack]
• Noted References:
  • Beyond the Dynamical Universe (Madelung, Sutherland, Evans, Wharton)
  • Daryl Bem’s studies
  • Jacques Vallee’s The Invisible College
  • J.W. Dunn’s An Experiment with Time

Summary for New Listeners

If you’ve never listened to The Why Files before, this episode exemplifies the podcast’s ability to combine well-researched fringe science with accessible, lively conversation. Eric Wargo pulls the discussion into the realm where quantum physics, time travel, creativity, and psychic phenomena all overlap, offering both personal anecdotes and rigorous thought experiments—and inviting listeners to reconsider the nature of time, fate, and how the future might already be shaping our lives.