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The Windup: A show about Baseball
Starkville | Texas Rangers Manager Bruce Bochy talks about how they are hanging around with so many injuries
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Bruce Bochy
That's why you're going in the hall of Fame. It's an inside the park over on Doug Gladville.
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Doug Glanville
Mike Trout is coffee at Starbucks with a double latte skinny.
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Jason Stark
Doug, are you ready to make some podcast magic?
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Doug Glanville
I am ready. Bring on the magic wand. Let's do it.
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Jason Stark
Greetings and welcome to Starkville. I'm Jason Stark. I write about baseball for the Athletic and I'm joined once again by my good friend, writer, substacker, broadcaster, professor, distinguished former major leaguer, and the vice of Sunday Night baseball on ESPN Radio, Doug Glanville. Doug, happy September. How you enjoying the madness of the last two weeks of the baseball season?
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Doug Glanville
Yes. I mean, it's got to ramp up here. We're going to be traveling, no red eyes, but still it's going to be added games, exciting, you know, some great races. So you know, AL east is heating up, AL west, you know, who knows? So looking forward to seeing how this shakes down. But some great baseball left, so I'm ready for it.
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Jason Stark
Yeah, it's getting good out there, man. The AL west is tremendous. The AL east and NL west, they're still in play. The American League wild card shuffle is really fun. And the National League wild card race makes no sense. Thanks to us. Thanks to the Mets looking like they might never win again after their president of baseball ops, David Stearns, appeared on Starkville. Hmm. That was just last week. So, Doug, that's not our fault, right? I don't remember throwing a pitch during the Mets losing streak. Did you throw any?
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Doug Glanville
I did not. And there is an implied disclaimer and a waiver that you sign by appearing that we are not responsible for any jinxes, any curses, or anything of the other.
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Jason Stark
Didn't the brewers win like, 12 in a row after Christian Yelich was here? Did he sign anything?
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Doug Glanville
He did not. That's okay. As soon as you click the button, Starkville takes over. The Starkville implied waiver.
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Jason Stark
There's a button to click. Somebody should have told me. Okay, look, I just want to make it clear that. That there's no such thing as a Starkville curse. There's no such thing. Nope. Since this week, we have Bruce Bochy, manager of the amazing Texas Rangers, joining us. I don't know if the Rangers are going to make the playoffs or miss the playoffs.
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Doug Glanville
I know.
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Jason Stark
But here's what I know. Bruce Bochy will have more to do with it than either of us. I know that. Doug knows that.
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Doug Glanville
I think so. Yeah.
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Jason Stark
So we'll have him. We also have one of my very, very, very favorite strange but true events.
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Doug Glanville
Legendary. Legendary.
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Jason Stark
Legendary. One of my favorite strange but trues. Not just this year. Any year. You have to hang around to hear this. And as promised, we are going to take questions from our loyal listeners on our new voicemail Starkville hotline. You know that number, Doug. You know it by heart, right? 2, 6, 7. 2 2, 7, 9, 8 6, 7. That's the number. Doug is going to have a little hint for you how you can remember that number. Even when you're sleeping at night. It'll be bouncing around your brain.
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Doug Glanville
Yes.
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Jason Stark
Is that good?
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Doug Glanville
I'm going to save that for later.
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Jason Stark
But, yes, we have some questions from the hotline, and we are actually going to attempt to answer them. Wish us luck.
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Bruce Bochy
Doug.
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Jason Stark
It isn't every week that a legendary manager who is mixed up in a race for October stops by Starkville in September. But that's why Bruce Bochy is a legend. I Mean, all right. It's not actually why, but it's. That's why we love it when the manager of the Texas Rangers visit us. So, Boch, welcome back to Starkville. How are ya?
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Bruce Bochy
Hey, it's good to be back. It's good to see you guys again. How we doing?
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Jason Stark
We are great, man.
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Doug Glanville
There we go.
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Bruce Bochy
Right?
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Doug Glanville
The push is on.
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Jason Stark
Yeah. Bruce Bochy working his magic. And listen, man, I'm honestly not sure how your team is still in not just one race, but two, wild card and the AL west, considering all the injuries that you've dealt with. I mean, when you place all those guys on the injured list in the last two weeks of August, did you seriously think you'd still be in this spot in late September?
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Bruce Bochy
I'll say this. I thought with our pitching that they've been so consistent all year, I thought they'd give us a chance to win on a consistent basis. So, yeah, I really thought that, you know, we'd find a way to hang in there. Now, what these kids have done since they come up and, and you look at their numbers, they're not, they're not going to light up the board, but just how they played and they important hits, the contributions that they have made at the right time, it's just been fun to watch and, and so, you know, kudos to them because they have really carried a heavy load for this team. You know, you never give up. You know, even though you have injuries, there's nothing you do about it. Everybody has them. So you had no choice in our game but to move on. And that's, that's what we did. And these guys have done a great job of it.
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Jason Stark
I know you don't want any credit for this, but your team lost eight pretty important players in like a week and a half. You know, Nathan Ivaldi, out for the year. Marcus Semian, out for the year. Corey Sager, appendectomy, out for a long time. What is the manager's role, mission statement at times like that? Because as you said, you need your team to keep playing.
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Bruce Bochy
And that's really the message. You know, spring training, we talk about it as you go through a season, you're going to deal with adversity. You're going to have your, your skids, your slumps, whether it's as a team or individual. And that's not what's important. What's important, how you handle it and include dealing with injuries. And, you know, it's the old mantra, next guy up, and that's the way it has to Be. That's why it's so important to have depth. And I think what the guys that we called up in Triple A have softened the blow of losing these guys with how they played, they'd come up, they have fit in well. They're having, I love their enthusiasm, their passion. They're playing with, they're smiling. You wouldn't know that. They're, you know, they're in a race right now. That's the beauty of this game. You just don't know. And so that energy has been such a huge influence on the whole club, including the veterans, on how they're hitting the field.
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Jason Stark
That's so cool. Now, Doug just wrote about stuff like this in his world famous substack column, how teams lean on the manager to set a tone in times of chaos. Doug, I'll let you explain it and ask Poach about it.
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Doug Glanville
I was talking to Philly's manager, Rob Thompson about, you know, what buttons do you have to push at this time of year? You know, he's had, this is kind of his fourth straight kind of playoff push. And, you know, what messaging you send to your players because, you know, you talk about something different in September, right? Is there something different? So he mentioned something, his quote was, check your ego at the door, kind of. I'm curious, is there something that you shift into with September about how you communicate with the players in the significance of these games?
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Bruce Bochy
Things have been going so, so well for us. You really don't need to send a message when, when you're playing as well as we have been playing now, if not, you know, you may have the message, hey, you know, we have a responsibility, even even though we may not be in it, whatever. But with what's happened here, I know I haven't felt like I've had to have meetings or anything. I've talked to players individually, may say something in the hitters meeting, but really our job to stay out of the way when things are going well. They. They don't need you then, but it's up to the manager. I'll add this when, when you have changes with your club and the injuries that we've had now we're a different team. So it's a little different brand of ball that we are playing. You know, we're, we're not a team that's going to go up there and try to slug or anything. We're more in a platoon situation. So it's all hands on deck. And these guys bought into it. They're not starting, they're ready so on a daily basis, I just have enjoyed how not just young kids, but to last these guys are pinch hitting that are coming through, that they're engaged in the game. They know the style of game we're playing now. They're not like, well, Marcus is out there and Corey's out there, well, I'm not going to play or whatever. So it's, it's a little different vibe in that dugout. You can see how they're all watching and engaging, kind of reading the game. Hey, I need to go in the cage and swing a little bit and they're ready. And that's, you know, up to the manager to adjust to what he has.
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Jason Stark
You know, you also do such a great job of projecting this air of calm. Calmness. Are you calm when the earth is spinning that fast, or do you just understand that it's important for the manager to project a sense of calm?
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Bruce Bochy
Yeah, you know, to your point, I think it's really important for a manager to project that I do because there's enough pressure on them in this game, especially when you're in September. And so, yeah, I try to come in the same now. Don't let what you see sometimes belie what's going on inside, you know, because the wheels are turning. I mean, last two games have been tough losses for us and they could have gone either way and we lost a tough one and the third one in New York and yesterday made some mistakes. We still had a chance and. But anyway, yeah, yeah, it goes back to a player I had and it kind of reminded me of how important it is for a manager to stay calm. When we trading at Caminiti, my early part of my career, this was in 95. We're having a conversation. He asked me about my style. What, what kind of manager are you? Are you, are you a yeller or, you know, you get on players if they make mistakes. And I said, no, I don't think so. Kami. I asked him where he was going this well. He had a previous manager. He said, I made an error one time and I looked in the dugout and the manager threw the cooler thing and he said I couldn't catch a ball after that. I said, trust me, it's not going to be, you know, I. I won't do that now. Yeah, you know, I'm competitive and I may have a snap here or there, but that's going to be more toward a mental mistake or lack of hustle or something like that. We're going to make mistakes. I'm going to screw up out there sometimes. And that's, that's just the nature of the game. But no, I, there won't be coolers flying in the dark.
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Doug Glanville
You mentioned the young players coming up, the rookies, and you know, what is the difference between how you handle that transition for rookies coming up today versus when you started managing?
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Bruce Bochy
I think today's easier because I think that grace period where they're trying to get a sense of belonging, not just playing in the major leagues, but with the team, I think that is short enough. When I was young, I mean, the veterans were pretty tough rookies at times, and, and you didn't get to spend as much time with the major league team spring training like they do now. You're in spring training now. You, I mean, you have about 70 guys in camp. The minor leaguers are right with you, and they're coming over every day. So, you know, that spirit of hospitality among the players, the veterans, getting to know them and being around them, they come up. There's a more of a sense of comfort now, and I think it's really helped. These young players, they communicate more, of course, social media, that's, I think that's part of it. They, they just are more in tune with what's going on. You don't have that unknown factor as much as you used to when you're a young player. When I got called up, I had no idea what playing in a major league game was going to be like, and my only thought was, don't embarrass yourself and whatever. But these guys, you know, they're, they're more at ease now, you know, with the team when they come up.
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Jason Stark
You know, Ken Rosenthal wrote a column this week in the Athletic about how you could win the Manager of the Year award if this keeps up. And you haven't won one of those since 1996. I have a fun fact for you. Did you know that 42 different managers have won a Manager of the Year award since you last won one?
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Bruce Bochy
Yeah, no, I'd be a lot. Yeah. You know what? It's, it's, yeah, it's a war I really don't really think about because, and you'll hear all the managers tell you that it's, that's a team award or for the organization. So, yeah, that doesn't cross my mind, really. In fact, when 96, I, I, I think that's the year I got it. 96, you know, and I, I was stunned, you know, but it's, that's just an award that I Guess goes to a manager that maybe exceeded what some people think. Whatever that's, I, I don't know, I, I, I've been asked that. It really means nothing to me and I, I, I, me personally, yeah, something ever happens, happens like that, you're happy for all the coaches and all the guys who do all the hard work.
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Jason Stark
I get it. Well, here's a different thing. I just was looking at this, get ready for this Show. You're now 63 on the all time managerial wins list. Now you passed your man Sparky Anderson this year. You passed Dusty Baker. So the only names in front of you at this point are Connie Mac, Tony la Russa, John McGraw, Bobby Cox and Joe Torrey. Do you ever look at those names and think about what it says about your career that you're in that company.
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Bruce Bochy
Now that you, I mean, you're talking about it? Yeah, it blows me away. I, I, I, I really don't think about it, but maybe at some point when I'm retired, I, I, you know, I'll look at how, how did this happen? I mean this is, this is something I, you know, just managing in the major leagues, I had that on such a pedestal. I, I didn't know if I'd ever manage a big league club and had a young gm, Brandy Smith, that gave me this chance. So I'm forever. But yeah, it blows me away. It just tells me how lucky, how fortunate, blessed I am to have this chance to be around as long as I've been around and blessed to have all the great players that I've had, these great staffs and I know I'm not doing the humble thing. It blows me away. I'm not going to lie when you mention those names, I'm going, how did this happen? So at some point I'm sure I'll do some reflecting and, and enjoy it and take it all in, but I really haven't had time.
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Doug Glanville
So boats, I guess with, with all that experience and success, I mean if you, if you made a T shirt that was sort of like, you know, five keys to being a good manager, like what have been your takeaways of like your best practices, things that you've been able to go to that have stood the test of time with all.
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Bruce Bochy
Your experience as far as you got.
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Doug Glanville
With the players or players, tactical strategy.
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Bruce Bochy
You know, with, you know, number one, I mean, I try to treat players the way I would want to be treated. That's I guess the biggest thing I, I like to remind myself of because I was a role player you know, there's times when, you know, I, I wish I would have been treated maybe a little different or had a little more communication. So that's number one. But I'll go through the fundamentals of baseball. That to me that's, that's a priority. I, we emphasize that including throughout our system it's dominate the fundamentals. That's one. But for me it's preparation. Just don't be surprised. Whatever role you have as a coach, be prepared. Let's just have these guys prepared and ready. Hitting guys and pitching. And I'm lucky, I mean, Mike Maddox, there's nobody better, nobody more prepared. Same with the hitting side. So that's a big one. But you know, and try to create, I guess a fourth or create an environment that will get these guys to play as1.as1 and build that chemistry that you need to get this group to play as a team. And so that I try to create that atmosphere, encourage it and talk about in spring training. To me that's the only way it's going to work and, and just kind of be myself every day. Every day I walk in there, I hopefully they see the same guy, you know, they're not going to see. You know, I might be Orville Moody one day I'm in a bad mood and next day, you know, they're going, well, I'm all Grant. I, you know, I tried to be the same and I guess the last thing is just try to get the whole story on the player. You know, there's, there's a story behind every, every player and they're, they're trying, they're trying to do their best. And so, you know, sometimes you got to take a deep dive and see, see what's going on if things aren't going well, whatever.
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Jason Stark
Yours, Jerry. You know, I want to circle back to something you just said about creating an atmosphere. Chris Young talked about this when he hired you, that he saw you as somebody who had the ability to bring a winning culture to the franchise. And obviously you won a World Series, so you proved him right. But I've always wanted to ask you this. How does a manager create a winning culture?
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Bruce Bochy
Well, you talk about it. That's where it starts. You talk about it. Whether it's your opening day message and spring training. I try to get the core players together in the spring and talk about it, try to create that environment to get everybody, as I said, to play as one. And it's just so important, not just a club, but to me and the staff, that we have everybody just pulling together and playing as a group. And it's not something you can mandate, but it is something that you can keep pushing and keep talking about and, you know, any little thing, try to nip it right away and. And hopefully you have acquired the right players that fit in and are going to be those guys. There's no getting around this. You're always going to have a player or two that, you know, might not quite buy into it or, you know, or maybe an issue. Whatever. Those. Those are the ones that you have to weed out and make sure that you do have a type of players that will create a culture that you're looking to create for your team.
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Jason Stark
Do you tell stories about winning? I know you tell them to guys like us, but do you tell those stories to your players, too, about what it was like to win the World Series? You have four to choose from now, and if you do talk about it with players, what's the story you go back to the most?
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Bruce Bochy
If they ask me, which they do. Some players talk about It. But I try not to go into the past because I, you know, I want them to think I, hey, you guys are. I'm here. I'm. You're my focus. But sometimes players talk about it, especially in San Francisco. For example, Marcus Simeon, he. He's from the Bay Area, and, you know, he used to watch us and stuff, so, you know, we've talked about those teams, and he followed them a lot, but really, there's quite a few guys that will ask about players or how we did this or that, including the coaches. So now I enjoy talking about it, you know, because they're all different. I'm lucky to have these championships, and they're all different in their own way. Just like every. Every game's different every. Every season. And so, no, I, I, I don't bring it up. But if they talk, you know, ask me. Yeah, I'll talk about it so much.
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Doug Glanville
What about the fun factor for you? I mean, you know, you talk about being, you know, even keel, and I definitely understand that. But, you know, what brings you sort of joy about going to the ballpark every day?
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Bruce Bochy
Walking in that clubhouse. I just, I missed it, just walking in there. You know, going to the office, you know, seeing the guys, the staff, the players. That's where it starts. I've been doing it so long, you know, when I retired, I was a little lost there for a while, and, but that. And, and when the game starts, you know, sitting there, you're taking the field, just taking it in, and just again, reminding yourself how blessed you are to be doing something you love and to be doing it this long. Watch the greatest players in the world compete out there. And I'm a, I'm a fan, too, watching these guys, whether it's deGrom, Evo, or Corey Marcus. He's, you know, I'm a fan of their talent on the other teams. Yeah, yeah. There's so much about it that I love. The endless travel. Yeah, it's. It can be a grind, but I love it. I'm in Houston. Nice hotel here, and we got a big game. There's nothing like September baseball. There's nothing like it, I'm telling you. And so I'm enjoying this run, and we'll do all we can to get there. And no matter what, you know, I'm gonna take it in. You know, it's been on the other side. It's not a lot of fun when you're not playing for anything.
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Jason Stark
So the travel never gets to you. I mean, I've heard some stories, you Guys have had some, some travel debacles this season. Any that you'd love to share?
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Bruce Bochy
Yeah, you know, we had one where we had to stay overnight in Sacramento. We had plane issues there, had to fly to Arizona, but it wasn't bad. We, we got back to our room at 9, 30, 10, and you know, we got up at 8:30 or 9, get plenty of sleep, flew to Arizona. So it wasn't that big of a deal. I try not get caught up into the little things because that, you know, that, that'll wear you out too. And you know, I'll do little things, whether it's to the staff if I hear them complaining and have fun with them because, and we know one thing I did do is I did take them to the Medal of Honor Museum, you know, and then you, that's where you really see what sacrifice is, the warrior spirit and those things. And you know, you go there and you look at some of the things we deal with and we go, come on man, we're, we're complaining about these little things. So I, I keep things in perspective.
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Jason Stark
You know, I do want to give you a chance to show people how you're evolving with the times. You were talking recently about one of your young pitchers, Jacob Latz, and you said he was quote unquote bussin'. So I, I know there has to be a story of who put you up to that or maybe you're just a hip hop guy now.
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Bruce Bochy
Yeah, no, I, I'm not a hip hop guy. I'm learning though. And so anyway, we were having a conversation in a pregame media session and, and I don't know, it came up all these words, so I was learning some of them and somebody and one word was busting. I said, you know what, I'm gonna use that after the game. And my lads was busting it and. Pretty cool. They actually have these hats that they, I must have 50 of them says busting on it. But my daughter in law, she sent me a text, really? Where'd you get this busing from? But anyway, yeah, we, we had fun with it. Here's a 70 year old man talking about busting.
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Jason Stark
It was like, did you get at least like, did you win a bet? Did you get a few bucks out of working busing into your post game?
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Bruce Bochy
No, you know what, I should. But I did say, I said, hey, I'm using that, I told you for the game and lads pitch that night. And so you know, I threw it in there and you know, and I may have to start breaking in some other ones, but I got to go back and look at them.
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Doug Glanville
Yeah, you can add like Riz or something like that.
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Bruce Bochy
This Riz.
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Doug Glanville
Riz. Yeah. That's good. Oh, my gosh. Yes. And you mentioned the travel. I'm curious if you have any favorite spots that you know, a restaurant, a place that you kind of go as your, like, sanctuary on the road.
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Bruce Bochy
You know what? I can't say there's a city that I don't like. You know, I like getting out. I'm a big. I don't walk as much, but, you know, I was a big walker. I like to walk around the city and get to know a little bit. But, you know, still like San Francisco, the restaurants there, you know, going there. San Diego is one of my favorite. I fish. I do get out, fish on the day off in some of these towns. In Seattle, I'll go out in the sound and fish there. You know, getting back to Miami, I went to high school in Melbourne, so I usually get 100 people coming down. Old friends bring their friends and everything. So I, I enjoy all the cities. I really like going to Washington. I lived in Northern Virginia for four years and played in summer league up there. So I have friends there and there's just so much to do there. I tell the players, get out, go out to D.C. or cemetery, whatever, you know, all the different things that you have. So, you know, it's. It's been fun, I think, for all these young players and veterans, whatever, when they do get out and they see, you know, the things that some of these cities have to offer.
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Jason Stark
You know, I want to make sure to ask you about one of the biggest things that happened to your team this year and that was bringing in Brett Boone as your hitting coach. Since Brett arrived, your team is top five in the sport in run scored. And he's a guy, he'd never coached in the big leagues. I know he's done some things, tried some things different from other coaches. How good is Brett Boone at this? What makes him good and what's been the impact that he's had?
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Bruce Bochy
Boone, he's so relatable. He's a guy that had a tremendous career, as we know. He's very humble. He doesn't, you know, ever bring that up or talk about it, but he just brings, I think, a little more of a simpler approach at times. So he's a good compliment to, you know, Justin Bailey, who was one of our heading coaches and does a great job too, and they work well together and, and Boonie, you know, he's been through the, the slumps and, and the tough times and so he's helped out there. And I know the guys love just hearing his stories and how he dealt with, you know, some adversity in the major leagues, his ups and downs, and not, not that he had a ton of them because he had a great career. So I, I think he's brought a lot of confidence to these hitters. I think he has simplified a lot of it because, because as you know, we had so much information out and sometimes you got to declutter their heads because of all the info they're getting. And so I think he's done a great job of that. And bonies like this too. I mean, he, he comes in and he, he spends time with them, so he's a little bit of a psychologist. For him, that's been a good deal.
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Doug Glanville
So I guess within this sort of even keel culture, who's like the, the cheerleader? Who's the one doing backflips and stirring the pot for you.
- [31:17]
Bruce Bochy
Really? I mean, Bobby Wilson's one of those pipe my bench coach, Louise. He's, he's, he's got a lot of enthusiasm, passion, the players. I mean, Cody Freeman, I mean, he's just been a lot of fun to be around. It's funny how one player can, I think, have the type of personality or enthusiasm that can get infectious. I think he's been one of those osuna, these young guys, so. And I think the veterans have enjoyed it. You know, it's, it's, you know, to have that energy come back and we've had some tough times, not just injuries, but the tough losses that we've had. Oh my goodness. And a tough time scoring run. So, you know, to get these guys, as I say, sometimes, you know, I'd like to see your teeth, you know, just smile once in a while, have some fun out here. It's the only way you play this game and be good at it. Yeah, you gotta be intense and all that, but, you know, enjoy this. And they're doing it.
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Jason Stark
You know, we've already established you've won four World Series since the last time you won a manager of the year award. Bo, do you think there's something that you know about managing in the postseason either that not everyone knows or just might be part of the secret sauce of winning in October that you always keep in mind, and you probably keep it in mind now because you got to win.
- [32:41]
Bruce Bochy
Yeah, I can't say I have the secret sauce. No, I don't have that the secret sauce is having really good players and the staff and. And, you know, things go right during, you know, the playoffs. I mean, it's. It can be a little bit of a crapshoot, but you have to have the right guys that can perform under pressure. We've had those guys because you got to have the talent, you know, in the mental toughness. But we've been. I've been fortunate to have a lot of guys are really, really good at playing under pressure, going back to San Francisco and of course, in 23. So, no, the secret sauce is pay attention. You know, listen, I think more than you talk and get these guys to.
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Jason Stark
Believe, you know, I do feel, though, that there's a sense of urgency about those games that you understand at. It shows in the way you've used your bullpen always, how you've always been willing to think outside the box to win a game on a given night and go against things that you maybe would do all year long, all throughout your career. I mean, don't you think that's a big part of it, that you have to manage with every single game like that?
- [33:56]
Bruce Bochy
Oh, I think so, yeah. Sometimes you hear, well, keep doing what you did during the season. I. I've never believed that because that margin of errors, it's not there. Oh, it's a little different when you have 100, 162 games and. And so you can use your bullpen a little bit different. But, yeah, I think more than anything, you gotta do what you can to win every game now. Yeah, he goes, if it's seven games, sure, you gotta watch your pen a little bit, but. But you worry about tomorrow. That's. That's kind of been my philosophy, I guess, and I'm sure that's the case with a lot of managers, but you're seeing the game now where it's kind of evolved into that, you know, with these starters going shorter and bullpens being used more. You get the specialized sprinters and. And then you may have a long guy, but. And then they. They create the pockets or the lanes that they want pitchers in. And so it's kind of gotten that way a lot. I think. When you look at the game in.
- [35:04]
Doug Glanville
The sense of, like today, in terms of the race today, if you. If you look back to those championship seasons, all the playoffs, is there anything that makes you look at them differently? Like, you. Sometimes you see new things and in how you're managing today or just your experience today, and you reflect back and kind of see something you didn't see.
- [35:23]
Bruce Bochy
Before I'm going to go to 96. And we got beat by the Cardinals and in the postseason, the first round. And I look back at a couple of things I could have done different as far as starting. I had Fernando Valenzuela. I wish I would start him in those games because he's such a cool, calm, collective guy. Then I mentioned 98. I've talked about this a few times. And we lost that first game against the Yankees. And, you know, my gut told me, you know, to go with somebody else, I didn't do it. And so, you know, I think you learn from, from all your experiences, whether it's minor leagues or in the major leagues, and sometimes, you know, in our game, because of all the information out there that's out there for the public, the media, whatever, it's really easy to question, well, why, why did you do that? Or do you know, how come you didn't do this? And so sometimes you take away from your, your gut or your instinct really how you feel. And, and so it's great to have the information, but there's other things that come involved as, you know, as a player, you know, how you're playing at that time or where you're at mentally, things like that. And, and so, yeah, I just try to go on my experience and make these decisions, and hopefully they work out more than they don't work out. You know, last couple games, we lost two tough games. Yeah, we can look at things, what we did on field, but believe me, I come home and I go through everything. I could have done this. I could have done that in this cell. I think you get, get better. I mean, I don't think you ever arrive as a player. You don't arrive as a manager. You continue to try to learn. And last night, we managers take these losses way harder than we enjoy our wins, and we take them a lot harder than the players. Because you're always thinking, well, there were some, you know, a lot of decisions made last night or day before that we could have done something a little bit different.
- [37:26]
Jason Stark
Bo, I can't let you go without asking you about your future. It's the last year of your contract. You're still so good at this. I know people are asking you all the time whether you want to keep going. You probably have a little recording machine in your head that plays the answer to those questions. Right. But what would you say to people who wonder if you're going to keep going or this might be the last year for you managing?
- [37:52]
Bruce Bochy
Yeah, and I'll Keep with. What I've been saying since day one is that Cy and I, we will get together after the season. This is really how I wanted it. You know, they had talked to me after 23 season and I, you know, let's just see where we're all at, you know, where they're at, where I'm at and. But right now, it's the last thing I can be thinking about. We. We got some really important games coming up here. Not. Not to, you know, get away from your question, but I love it. I feel good. I enjoy it. But we'll. We'll see.
- [38:28]
Jason Stark
Bo, it's always awesome when you stop by to visit us. Thank you. And I know good things are going to happen in Texas the next two weeks. You know how I know? I'll let people in on a secret. You're an odd year guy. Now that was a San Francisco thing. Isn't this your Texas thing?
- [38:47]
Bruce Bochy
Yeah. Well, I hope it is. I hope you're right. Yeah, I'll go with that. I like it.
- [38:53]
Jason Stark
Okay. We're going to prove it, right? Hey, Bo. You're the best man. Thank you so much.
- [38:56]
Doug Glanville
Thank you, Bo. Great to see you guys.
- [38:58]
Bruce Bochy
Great talking with you. Thanks for having me on.
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Bruce Bochy
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Doug Glanville
Could just be spending all their money.
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Jason Stark
On, like, pet insurance.
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Bruce Bochy
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Jason Stark
I don't know. That we'll never get this Saturday back. Get a quote for any breed@lemonade.com pet strange but true, Doug. The strange but true portion of this show is always special. You know what I mean? But this, this one, this week, it might be my favorite ever. I mean, it. I mean, we don't usually circle back here to something that happened a couple weeks ago, but this one went down that week. I was away. I wasn't in Starkville. It was so epic. It needed to be part of this show. So we're doing this. We're going there. Okay. We're going back to September 2nd. The Giants are playing baseball in beautiful Coors Field in Colorado. It's the first inning. Rafael Devers steps to the plate, and basically everything goes crazy. Let's hear it.
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Bruce Bochy
Devers. Skies one to right. Way up there and gone. Another one for Rafi Devers and Kyle Freeland. The benches are clearing. Des is trying to round the bases. Freeland was unhappy, and now we got punches being thrown. Oh, my goodness. Mcdav still hasn't rounded the bases. He's in the mix. He left the base pass. This is now pushing out towards second base. Oh, man. Even Logan Webb is out there. Freeland did not like Devers admiring that one. Logan Webb's running his mouth now. Got more action. Adamus and Freeland are really going at it.
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Jason Stark
Dave Fleming and Javi Lopez, ringside. Okay, so. So a lot was going on there, okay? Some of it was more befitting of WrestleMania than Starkville Mania. But here's the bottom line. So you heard that in the middle of the home run trot, like a bench clearing something or other broke out. By the time the bench clearing stuff settled down, by the time the Giants entire left side of the infield had been ejected. By the time Kyle Freeland, who threw the pitch, had been gonged and left the ring, Raphael Devers still had not made it around the bases. Okay, he had a home run trot to finish up. So Doug, he did that touching home plate eight minutes and 52 seconds after the ball left the bat. Eight minutes and 52 seconds, Doug, that. Of course, yeah.
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Doug Glanville
I mean it goes from a trot to something else. A beach stroll. I mean, some things do take 8 minutes and 50 something seconds.
- [43:44]
Jason Stark
Yeah, the tide wasn't rolling in, but a lot of stuff was rolling in.
- [43:47]
Doug Glanville
I do suggest that if something, if the travel time is that long, I think you have to start thinking about a ride share. You know, I think that's what they were trying to do, like kind of a ride. A team rideshare. Uber xl maybe.
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Jason Stark
So is driver cancel?
- [43:59]
Doug Glanville
Yeah, I mean someone canceled and they just started throwing fights. And then you could hit the safety shield thing on the buttons there because, you know, fight broke out. So we can't have that on rideshares, you know. And I always wondered about, I know like instant replay does that sometimes you hit a home run, you're not sure did hit Fairfront. You know, you're kind of like, do I trot? Do I stop at second? I'm not a fan of the interrupted glory. I think we have to just like see it through because then the moment's gone and this moment turned into a boxing match. So I don't know what that means.
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Jason Stark
So, you know the first question that I asked, how long did it take him to get around the bases? So who would you ask this question of these days? You ask Statcast. Because they knew everything. No, they didn't. They didn't know that time. They didn't.
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Doug Glanville
Time trots.
- [44:44]
Jason Stark
Well, they normally time trots, but when the bench clearing, whatever that was, broke out, they stopped.
- [44:51]
Doug Glanville
They stopped the clock.
- [44:52]
Jason Stark
They could not answer the question. The only way that we know that it lasted 8:52 is that our friend Grant Brisby, one of the really entertaining baseball writers alive, covers the Giants along with Andy Baggerleaf for us at the Athletic. So he went back and timed it for me. Okay, so 8:52. I'm declaring that the longest home run trot of all time. And Doug, tell me I'm wrong. Go ahead.
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Doug Glanville
The only thing I think of as competition is I know Brian McCann of the Braves stopped Carlos Gomez at home plate. And I'm not sure Carl Scarborough has ever touched the plate. I mean, so I. So I know we have to.
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Jason Stark
So that one's a ten year. It's eternal.
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Doug Glanville
It's actually still going. I do wonder, like mlb, what, what is the rules? Like, do you come out of the base path? I Mean, because you do leave the base path. Like, as they mentioned, like, are you out? Like, is there some way that you could have your home run null and void after it goes over the fence?
- [45:59]
Jason Stark
Yeah, they did debate all this stuff. Like, there's my favorite strange but true moment ever. Benji Molina hit a home run and then didn't score a run in his own home run.
- [46:07]
Doug Glanville
That's right. That's right.
- [46:09]
Jason Stark
The one where he hit one that bounced back onto the field. They thought it hit the top of the wall, so they pinch ran for him. Then Omar Vizquel says to the manager, you know what? I'm pretty sure that went over the wall, didn't hit the top of the wall. They reviewed it, then they said, all right, but did he take the trot?
- [46:26]
Doug Glanville
Who took the trot on that?
- [46:27]
Jason Stark
Okay, so Benji tried to go out there to resume his trot, but he was out of the game.
- [46:32]
Doug Glanville
That's right.
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Jason Stark
So I can't remember, was it.
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Doug Glanville
Yes, that's right. I know. We did cover that one.
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Jason Stark
I can't.
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Doug Glanville
Yeah.
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Jason Stark
So I've written thousands of words about this. It'll be a book someday. So I thought that was a separate case. I tried to look into all the long trots I could find, the longest where a guy had to stop because there was a replay. You mentioned that pull the hamstring hurt the. Yeah, we had. You know, Gabe Kapler used to sprint around the bases. Andreas Homer's. And he blew out his Achilles at second base, so that was. But I could. There was no video anywhere that showed that complete debacle. So I have no idea what happened there. I found this one. This was good. 99 years ago, the Dodgers had a guy named Zach Wheat. So according to the stories that I read, he had, like this Charley horse flare up on him in the middle of his trot. So Doug, he stopped at second for five minutes. Those Charlie Horses don't get those up.
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Doug Glanville
So is the name Zach Weed or Charlie Horse? I mean, who is Charlie Horse? Yeah, I mean, does anybody know who Charlie Horse is?
- [47:41]
Jason Stark
I mean, okay, you're gonna. You're gonna organize a search committee.
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Doug Glanville
I mean, maybe he's. Maybe he was. Maybe he spawned on a home run trot, an interrupted one.
- [47:50]
Jason Stark
I want Charlie to be a guest on Star.
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Doug Glanville
You got to bring them on. Well, and also, if you blotch your Achilles, I think. I think EMS should be able to bring a gurney out there and then take you the rest of the way. And they touch home plate. And then you go to the hospital. I mean, that's the least they could do for the glory of the game.
- [48:07]
Jason Stark
I'm in. So the 8 minute 52 second part was truly hilarious. It might not even be my favorite part of the whole thing. I'm not kidding. Okay, so here's my favorite part. So I think I mentioned this. The left side of the Giants infield and the three four hitters in their lineup. Willie Adams and Matt Chapman got ejected in the middle of the trip. I never heard of that. But here's what that meant. Doug, how many plate appearances did the Giants get that night from their starting number? Three four hitters.
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Doug Glanville
I think it was zero. It was the first inning, wasn't it?
- [48:50]
Jason Stark
Zero. Zero is the correct answer. Right? So I couldn't get this out of my head. So, like two weeks later, I asked our friend Katie Sharp, hey, how many other teams have ever played a game on which their starting 34 hitters never made it to home plate? She went all the way back to 1901. Wanna guess what you found, Doug? How many other teams have had this happen?
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Doug Glanville
Well, it had to involve Zach Wheat or somewhere in there.
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Jason Stark
Zero. Zero is the number. That's our magic number in Starkville. You know, if we ever get the supply chain issues cleared up, I want to commemorate the. The zero thing in some way. I want a Starkville donut shop, Strange butcher donuts. I want a Starkville bagel place, strange but true bagels. And I definitely want a statue of a zero.
- [49:41]
Doug Glanville
It's in front of the Museum of Zero that we're planning. I mean, it's there and it's very fitting because you talked earlier about circling back, and that is a zero. But here's the thing about Starkville. We have to think really ahead of the world right here. So what is the difference between circling back and circling forward? Let me think about that for a second. It's a circle. It just comes back around. So why can't you go the other way? So we're going to circle forward. And that's how we do it in Starkville, because we're in the future.
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Jason Stark
Well, we've been threatening, I mean, promising to take your calls on our new Starkville hotline. That number to call 267-227-9867. So once again this week, we're gonna do that, Doug. We are going to answer the calls. It's an exciting new wrinkle to the show. You call the hotline. We listen to your questions, we listen to your trivia ideas. We listen to your deep thoughts about baseball. Every few Weeks, we pick a couple of your calls to answer. What do you think, Doug? What could go wrong?
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Doug Glanville
Absolutely nothing. Nothing.
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Jason Stark
Nothing.
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Doug Glanville
Nothing at all.
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Jason Stark
That's the right answer. Exactly. So let's get started. Our first call comes from Sean Collins. And, Doug, he has a question he's been thinking about asking us for the last three years, apparently.
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Doug Glanville
That's all right.
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Jason Stark
It's all right. It's a fun one. So let's hear it.
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Caller
Hi, my name is Sean Collins. I am calling for Starkville. I have a situation that I've just been wondering about for three years. On Saturday, August 20, 2022, the Phillies and Mets were playing the second game of a split double header in the top of the seventh inning. Jose Alvarado was facing Brett Beatty with no runners and two outs. And on the fifth pitch of the at bat, he struck Beatty out on the ball. That went in the dirt and it got away from JP Remuto. I was listening on the radio. Apparently, the ball started going up the third baseline and Realmuto didn't see where it went. Alvarado sprinted off the mound and grabbed the ball and threw it to first base to complete the strikeout. And it struck me as very singular. At the time, I couldn't remember it ever happening, that I'd ever seen or heard a play where a pitcher got an assist on his own strikeout. But I'm wondering if you could find out if it's ever been done before. It's baseball, so maybe it's happened a lot, but I've never heard of it. It just seemed really weird at the time. Thanks a lot. Love your show and listen every week and can't wait to hear it again.
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Jason Stark
See you, Sean. When you asked this, it felt really, really rare to me, too. So we asked our friend Katie Sharp from Baseball Reference to take a look at this for us. So here's the surprising thing. She found 130 of these plays in their database, which goes back over a hundred years. In fact, there have been six of them ready for this just this season. And one of them was last week, last Wednesday. And just for the fun of it, we're gonna play it.
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Bruce Bochy
Got it. Kirk's gotta go out and get it. Actually, Barrios will be the guy to throw it down to.
- [53:28]
Jason Stark
First hear Dan Shulman chuckling. Okay, that was. That was Christian Walker. He did the whiffing, and the ball bounces off the catcher, dribbles in front of home plate. Jose Benillo takes over. He runs over, he picks it up, he throws the guy out. Sean, I'VE looked at a few of these plays. Katie sent me quite a list. And so, like that one that we just heard, that's how they usually work. And the ball kind of bounces back toward the mound. The Jose Alvarado one where the ball bounces like 40ft away. Who is running normally? Let's see here. It was Brett Beatty. I think he was a little surprised at the whole thing, but they don't normally look like that. But anyway, it's not as rare as any of us thought initially. So I'm sorry. Thanks for asking. We learned something. And Doug, by the way, I did ask Katie to check to make sure you never got thrown out on one of those. You want to guess how many times it happened to you?
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Doug Glanville
I would never allow that. So I'm going to say zero.
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Jason Stark
Zero, as always, is the best guess you could make. You've got this down now.
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Doug Glanville
Oh, yeah.
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Jason Stark
Just get zero no matter what I ask you.
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Doug Glanville
Yeah. And I'm wondering, you know, I am wondering if it's ever been like a, like a pitch that the catcher completely missed and then it was like a 13 put out, like, you know, two. It's usually a 21 3.
- [54:49]
Bruce Bochy
Right.
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Doug Glanville
It hits the catcher.
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Jason Stark
I assume the catcher doesn't get.
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Doug Glanville
He doesn't, he doesn't get an assist on it for hitting off his face.
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Jason Stark
In the third strike? No.
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Doug Glanville
Oh, too bad.
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Jason Stark
No, it's 1 3.
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Doug Glanville
So it's always 1 3. That's not that exciting then, right?
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Jason Stark
Okay, Our next caller is Bobby. Bobby's been dying to ask this trivia question. He emailed it to us. Now he called us. And you know what? He really wants to ask it. So we're going to go down that road just for him. Ready for this? Let's hear his question.
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Caller
Hey, Starkville boys, just listened to this week's show. Very good. Of course. And I'm going to leave this message for you as a voicemail as opposed to an email. So the question is, who holds the record in Major League Baseball for striking out 50 batters in his rookie year in his first five starts? He came close to being broken a few years back by a pitcher who already is retired due to injury, but was on his way to probably breaking that record and maybe a rookie season strikeout record as well. So there's a few little hints in there, but that's all I can do. My name is Bobby. I can't tell you my last name right now. Good luck to everybody in Starkville. Love to talk to you guys. Keep up the Good work. Let's flight two.
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Bruce Bochy
Goodbye.
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Jason Stark
Bobby. Thank you. Good luck to everybody in Starkville. I think he just means us. I don't think he means anybody else in Starkville, but I appreciate the well wishes. Right.
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Doug Glanville
I think there's a hint in there. Because he couldn't give his last name.
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Jason Stark
I think there's a hint in there also.
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Doug Glanville
Blank, maybe.
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Jason Stark
Blank, I think. And I think. Let's play two might be a hint. So what we're looking for here, Doug, 50 strikeouts in a pitcher's first five starts as a rookie. And we're going to do this one a little different than our usual trivia. Let's do it this way. I'll take a guess, then you'll take a stab at it. Then our producer, the mayor of Starkville, Brian Smith, will pop in and shoot us down as usual. Or not. I don't know. I wrote down a few names here, Doug. But, you know, now that he's dropped that hint, I really like this guess. I am going to go with Curry Wood. Didn't Kerry wood strike out 20 in a game as a rookie? I know it wasn't in his first few starts, but that's a good one. Maybe he was. It might have been. I just know Kerry Wood could really get the breeze stirring in Wrigley.
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Doug Glanville
I like it.
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Jason Stark
So that's my guess. What's your guess?
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Doug Glanville
Oh, miss was vast. I mean, I kind of thought about Jacob deGrom for a minute, but then I could remember he was kind of an older veteran. So I then said, let me try Clayton Kershaw. I know he walked a lot of batters in the beginning, but I think he also struck out some people. So I'm just gonna go Clayton Kershaw.
- [58:04]
Jason Stark
All right, so let's bring in the mayor. Mr. Mayor, you've heard our guesses. I got Kerry Wood, Doug Fu. Clayton Kershaw out there. Bobby emailed you the answer. So we don't have Bobby to tell us if we're right or wrong.
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Bruce Bochy
No. Where's Bobby?
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Jason Stark
We just have you.
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Doug Glanville
Yes.
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Jason Stark
Any chance one of us got this right? Unfortunately, no.
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Bruce Bochy
You guys both whiffed, struck out.
- [58:27]
Jason Stark
The ball did not get away.
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Doug Glanville
Gotcha.
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Bruce Bochy
No pitcher threw it to the first.
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Doug Glanville
Oh, well.
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Jason Stark
Both incomplete.
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Bruce Bochy
Incorrect. Sorry.
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Caller
Both out. Wrong.
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Jason Stark
You can tell us who the actual answer was. Yes.
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Bruce Bochy
The answer was Herb Score.
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Doug Glanville
Oh, yeah.
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Jason Stark
Herb Score. The hint came from. That's why he could not give us his last name because his last name is Bobby Score.
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Bruce Bochy
His. His dad was first cousins with Herb Score.
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Doug Glanville
Oh, interesting. I like that.
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Jason Stark
About that.
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Doug Glanville
Legendary. So we were on the right track. We got that right. There was a clue in the blank name there.
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Jason Stark
Yeah, I guess so. See, I was thinking it had to be from the strikeout arrow, which is the last 25 years, basically. Never thought it would be the. What was Herb score? The late 40s.
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Doug Glanville
Wow. Impressive.
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Jason Stark
Somebody else just told me I need to go back and take a look at Herb Score. Wow. Herb. All I know is, Doug, we've now found a whole new way to get the trivia questions wrong.
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Doug Glanville
I love it.
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Jason Stark
We can get them wrong live. We can get them wrong via voicemail. Let me ask you this. Do you think there are any other unexplored trivia frontiers that we can venture into to get still more questions wrong?
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Doug Glanville
I don't know. But we will find them. That is our destiny. Like the space space program. We're going to find other ways.
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Jason Stark
Just give us time in a galaxy far, far away. All right. What the heck? That was fun. Just remember, you too can call our hotline. Here's the number. One more time. 267-22798. Should I do it a third time? Why not? 267-227-9867. And you too can have your fun questions played right here on Starkville. Okay, that's gonna do it for this week's show. Doug, thanks for playing. Thanks to Bruce Bochy for visiting us. Thanks to Sean and Bobby for calling our hotline. Thanks to the mayor of Starkville, Brian Smith, for producing us and putting up with us. And thanks to y' all for listening. Call that hotline. Email us@starkvilleathletic.com and in the meantime, Doug and I will see you soon.
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Doug Glanville
Just. I'm going to interrupt this real quick because I can't. The phone number. If you can't remember the numbers, I wrote out how it's spelled out into words. So we're going to go with bap bop zump. So that's B, A, P, B, O, P, Z, U, M, P. So if you can't remember the number, just remember. Bop bop zump. That's it.
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Jason Stark
There you go. Call that hotline. Email us@starkville theathletic.com. you got no anagram for that, do you? But in the meantime, yes, Doug and I will see you soon.
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