The Roundtable | What we will remember from the 2025 MLB seaason

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Windup – The Roundtable | What We Will Remember from the 2025 MLB Season (Episode #198)

Date: December 19, 2025
Hosts: Grant Brisbee, Andy McCullough, Sam Miller
Podcast: The Windup: A Show About Baseball (The Athletic)

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Overview

This lively "Roundtable" episode of The Windup gathers Grant Brisbee, Andy McCullough, and Sam Miller to reflect on the 2025 MLB season. The hosts share the moments, trends, and oddities that will endure in their memories years from now—ranging from bizarre on-field plays to the shifting culture of baseball, the re-emergence of pitch tipping, and the communal joys and annoyances of baseball fandom. The tone is warm, sharp, and self-deprecating, full of inside jokes, crackling observations, and deep love for the absurdities of the sport.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Generational Disconnects & Baseball Fandom

[02:30 – 06:41]

• The episode opens with a humorous exchange about feeling out of touch as aging fans and writers, drawing analogies between not recognizing modern celebrities and being confused by new baseball trends.
• Sam describes how, even as an avid watcher, he sometimes resists learning about marginal players until forced:

  "I finally snapped and said, that's it. I'm going to find out who Adrian Houser is once and for all. So I did. And boy, was that uneventful." (Grant Brisbee, [05:36])

The "Houser Line"

• The "Houser line" becomes an inside joke: the imaginary threshold where a player’s relevance is so marginal, you resist learning about them until circumstances leave you no choice.

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Most Memorable Micro-Moments of 2025

Hunter Greene's Bizarre No-Hitter-Saving Play

[07:08 – 11:39]

• Sam’s standout play:

  • In a September game, Hunter Greene has a no-hitter into the fifth.
  • Pete Crow-Armstrong hits a liner past first, which ricochets off Moises Ballesteros’s helmet at first base, sending the ball deep into center.
  • Ballesteros, dazed, is thrown out at second, preserving the no-hitter in a remarkable and chaotic sequence.
  • Quote:

    "If Hunter Greene had finished that no hitter, I think it would have gone down as maybe the most unlikely no hitter saving play ever." (Sam, [09:16])

• Noted the play’s absurd violence (hit at 105 MPH), initial worries about Ballesteros’ health, and lament that the actual no-hitter didn’t come to pass.

Pete Alonso’s Awkward Base Running

[15:06 – 16:43]

• Andy picks Pete Alonso’s hapless, almost amphibian running style as his favorite comedic moment.
• The group agrees: audio does not do justice to the physical comedy of Alonso—"he becomes amphibian as he rounds second base." (Andy, [15:23])

Game 7: The Sound of Silence

[16:43 – 19:06]

• Andy recalls being in the stadium for Game 7 of the World Series:
  • Will Smith’s ball lands in the Blue Jays' bullpen, producing a “thunk” that echoes in total silence despite a previously deafening crowd.
  • Quote:

    "Literally, when Will Smith's ball landed in the Blue Jays bullpen, it was so quiet, you could hear it thunk. I have never experienced that in my career." (Andy, [16:43])

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Macro Trends & Cultural Shifts

The Return of Pitch Tipping

[21:34 – 26:40]

• Andy highlights a return to pitch tipping as a major theme, distinguishing it from the illegal (and controversial) sign-stealing scandals of prior years.

• The crew discusses how technology and analytics now augment but don't cross old ethical lines; pitchers and batters are engaging in a new cat-and-mouse game with runners on second visibly—or theatrically—signaling pitches.

• Grant dubs this “codified subterfuge”—the acceptable, playful kind of subterfuge that adds drama.

• Sam notes:

  "Offenses are playing into that paranoia, whether or not they have anything... constantly teams trying to act like they're tipping off the batter, even when they don't have anything." (Sam, [24:21])

• The intentional balk to third base becomes a common defense, sometimes even in high-leverage innings, showing how strategy adapts to paranoia about tipping.

Changing Attitudes Around Fundamentals

[37:35 – 43:00]

• Sam bemoans what he sees as a collapse in fundamentals, joking he has “folders and folders” of bad baserunning and mental mistakes.
  • His highlight: Eli White’s incomprehensible baserunning blunder, misreading a coach’s stop sign and getting tagged in the face running back to second.
  • The group muses about whether it’s realistic to expect anyone, players included, to know MLB’s labyrinthine rulebook.

Behind-the-Scenes: MLB Rules Enforcement

[27:25 – 30:27]

• New details emerge: MLB now employs three full-time “cell phone monitors” at every game to enforce no digital device usage—a job growth quip follows.
• Andy shares an old anecdote about Ned Yost being ratted out for wearing an Apple Watch—highlighting the often-petty but persistent tech-vs-regulation tug-of-war in the game.

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The Emotional Texture of the Season

Catharsis, Burnout & Rediscovering Joy

[30:49 – 32:52]

• Grant describes feeling burned out and experiencing imposter syndrome while covering the Giants, only to have his passion rekindled by an improbably wild extra-innings game in Chicago:

  "I came to the ballpark and I saw something I didn't see before... [it was] just this rejuvenation of like, hell yeah, baseball is so much fun. I am so lucky." (Grant, [32:15])

Social Media & Baseball Community

[45:55 – 48:24]

• The hosts reflect on the fleeting communal magic of an 18-inning World Series game as fans revived joy and camaraderie on Blue Sky, lamenting the decline of Twitter as a locus for such shared baseball moments.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On aging out of baseball’s zeitgeist:

  "There's an element of that with baseball because, you know, like, the thing is evolving, right? Like, it's not a static experience." (Andy, [05:08])

• On baseball stats and pitcher records:

  "Baseball is so weird right now, you guys. Hunter Greene has a career ERA plus of 123... and is 25 and 29. It's like wild how like the numbers for not just wins, but decisions like in one generation, completely, completely wiped clean." (Sam, [11:39])

• On pitch tipping:

  "Now, like, pitch tipping is a thing that every pitcher thinks about constantly." (Andy, [24:14])

• On baseball’s byzantine rules:

  "I'm not actually sure that it's fair to expect players to know the rules of the game. I think we might have gone too far." (Sam, [43:23])

• On generational disdain:

  "No person feels more disdain for a group than the people who are just a few years younger than them." (Andy, [45:27])

• On rediscovering love for the game:

  "Baseball is so much fun. I am so lucky. I love this. Everything about it." (Grant, [32:15])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:30–06:41 | Aging as baseball fans, pop culture disconnects, the “Houser line” | | 07:08–11:39 | Hunter Greene’s near-mythical no-hitter moment | | 15:06–16:43 | Pete Alonso’s hilariously awkward running; the physical comedy of baseball | | 16:43–19:06 | Andy’s memory from World Series Game 7—“the sound of silence” after Will Smith’s HR | | 21:34–26:40 | Return of pitch tipping, intentional balks, gamesmanship | | 27:25–30:27 | MLB’s digital device enforcement, anecdotes about the watch controversy | | 30:49–32:52 | Grant’s existential crisis and rediscovering joy in a wild Giants-Cubs game | | 37:35–43:00 | The sorry state of fundamentals—Eli White’s running blunder, rules confusion | | 45:55–48:24 | The fleeting magic of communal baseball conversations on social media/Blue Sky |

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Closing Thoughts

The episode is a celebration of what makes each season distinct, from slapstick chaos to quiet, transcendent moments. The hosts emphasize that, alongside the game's evolving strategy and culture, its greatest treasure is the unexpected: moments no one—not even the experts—have seen before, and the ways those moments knit baseball people together across generations.

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End of Summary.

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R U B R-I K.com. Welcome to episode number 198 of the Roundtable. Grant Brisby here at Andy McCullough and Sam Miller. Sam Miller, how you doing today?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

He's doing the head shakes. Yeah. Okay. That's about right. Andy, how you doing?

[C]

I'm good. I had a. I had a real curtains for Zushka moment this week. I don't know if you guys are familiar with that canonical tweet. It's from several years ago. It's. It says it's by a fellow named Damian Owens and he says I'm 50. All celebrity news looks like this. Yes, curtains for Zushka case. Mog and Batboy caught flipping a grunt. And that was my reaction to Mookie Betts going on the Aiden Ross livestream. Yeah, who is this man? Why is Mookie Betts hanging out with him? Do I have to write about this? No, I'm on paternity leave.

[A]

Yeah, no, that's way, way better. You won't need to know about this. I mean, this is. They had curtains for Matuska and flipping grunts back in the 70s. You're clear. Free and clear. We do not have to think about that person.

[C]

Well, what is amazing about this guy is Puka Nakua was on his show, like, two days earlier and caused a firestorm. Yeah.

[A]

Which you think Bets would have people saying, actually, you know. But no. Hey, that's just the society we. We're in.

[C]

Anyway, so, yeah, I saw a lot.

[B]

Of the responses to Mookie Bets, whatever. Being on the thing with the guy. Part of it was like, the guys.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

The guy's a bad guy was part of the response. But part of it was just like, mookie, you shouldn't know who the guy is. You're too old. You're washed.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

What are you doing? Trying to play the, you know, the young influencer game. And so there was, like, a real sense of just like, well, this is sort of pathetic. Like, this is like the. You know, like the dad trying to, like, go to the club.

[C]

Yeah, this is. This reminds me in a less pathetic way. But, Sam, you once, 10 years ago, asked me if Pedro Mora and I were ever going to a concert to invite you, and I did. And you were like, no, no, I have no idea. Like, I followed up. I was like, hey, we're going to see Joyce Manor. And you were just like, oh, no.

[B]

That is really odd that I would have said that. I saw a tweet along the same lines one time that said that you get to a certain age where celebrity gossip is, like, hearing two kids talk about gossip at a high school you don't go to.

[A]

That's about right. That's about right. Did you grow up with, like, asking your friends, like, you don't know who. I don't know who you would say, but. And then our parents would say, no. Like, I don't know who Sean Williams Scott is or whatever? Like, why would I, you know? And then. Yeah, that's the second life.

[C]

There's an element of that with baseball because, you know, like, the thing is evolving, right? Like, it's not a static experience. And sometimes you, like, you learn stuff. You're like, okay, like, I need to know what that is. And then sometimes you don't. And so, like, when the kick change shows up, I'm just like, I just learned about the sweeper. You know, like, I imagine this is what it feels like to be a movie fan. You'd be like, Jacob Elordi. I just learned about Timothy Chalamet.

[A]

But I will share from the group chat. Wednesday, December 10 this is a couple weeks ago, or last week, two weeks ago, whatever it said. I finally snapped and said, that's it. I'm going to find out who Adrian Houser is once and for all. So I did. And boy, was that uneventful. And then a week later, I had to actually learn who Adrian Hauser was. Like, it was. It was bleak. It was. I had determined that I wasn't going to learn agent how. I think I was performatively saying I was going to explore, like, but that's a baseball thing. I didn't need to know. And now, boy, do I. Yeah, you're.

[B]

Going to be obnoxious about Adrian Hauser for a couple of years.

[A]

Just rotten with this stuff, right?

[B]

Yeah. Your Houser memes, it feels like you.

[A]

Go farther and then you start like thinking like, Adrian Hauser have to learn about, you know, like, it's like, I call it the Hauser line. The Hauser line. Thanks for teeing that up, Brian. You had that. You had that. I did refer to the Hauser line as the line of like, ah, okay. I guess like, he's like the last and I just happened to land on it.

[C]

The 2026 Giants catch the fever.

[A]

All right, we are going to talk about what we remember of the 2025 season. What, what sticks in our mind. What are we going to think back on a couple decades and go, I remember that season I was there and happened. It could be something funny, it could be something dramatic. It could be something that changes the sport forever. It could be something that happened to you in your home. It could be anything. Anything. This is. This is free jazz, baby. Who wants to go first?

[B]

I don't know how long this episode is gonna go. I don't know how many I'll get to. So I'm gonna have to pick just my very favorite, my single favorite moment of the year. The thing that I will remember and that no one else will but I. It almost became like. It was a moment that almost became part of eternal baseball lore. Hunter Green. It's the fifth inning of a game in September. He's got a no hitter going. Hunter Green has had a few no hit bids in his career, but they've all been sort of like cursed by things outside his control. Or bad luck or whatever. So I'm always watching for Hunter Green, whether he's going to get a no hitter. He carried it into the fifth and there was a runner on first and Pete Crowe Armstrong comes up and Pete Crow Armstrong hits a line drive past the first baseman, headed for right field. And it bounces off the helmet of Moises Ballesteros, who is on first base. So it just clocks him in the head.

[A]

So it's on the, on a line.

[B]

Or on a line? Yeah. So it's, it gets past the first baseman and then just straight into his head and then it ricochets into fairly deep center field. And Ballesteros is like wandering around first base, lost his helmet's off, he's disoriented and he is kind of just like walking in a circle, like he's lost his spectacles and then all of a sudden remembers that he's playing baseball, turns and runs to second, by which point the center fielder has fielded the ball, thrown it to second and gotten him out on a force by inches and preserved the no hitter. And if Hunter Green had finished that no hitter, I think it would have gone down as maybe the most unlikely no hitter saving play ever.

[A]

If it hit him on the line, how come he wasn't out?

[B]

It was past the first baseman. So what, you can hit the baserun or once, once the first defender has had a chance to field it, the baserunner is no longer considered to be interfering with a batted ball. So you can get hit by that and it's fine. So, yeah, I just couldn't believe like the, the, the wave of emotions watching Hunter Green's no hitter. Like the, the sort of like win expectancy of this no hitter, shoot up and down and up and down several times and end up with the no hitter still intact. I just thought was incredible. I've watched that replay. I've watched every angle of that replay dozens of times. And then the pro, unfortunately, the sad thing is that the next inning, I think Green gave up a hit and, and so there was no like it. It isn't gonna like, last in the public imagination, but it, it would have, I think it could have, would have.

[A]

Been a tale as old as time.

[B]

So that's my single favorite play of, of the season.

[A]

That's a good one.

[B]

The other thing about it too, is that it was so the ball was hit 105 miles an hour, by the way. And like, you couldn't even tweet about it right after the fact because everybody's like, is he okay? Is the man.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[B]

Does he have a concussion? Is this a. I mean, it was like dangerous, right? It was really dangerous. It seemed to be. But then he was fine. And so it's fine. We can enjoy it. He's fine. But in the moment, you couldn't even be like, I just saw the greatest thing I've ever seen. I've never been happier. You couldn't tweet that.

[A]

I will say that. So Sam dropped a link to the baseball savant video where they capture every pitch in baseball and usually they have home broadcast away broadcast, but this was a national broadcast, so you just get the one and it's from the umpire cam. Right. That could go either way. I think this adds to it. I think you really see the speed of the play with the umpire cam as 105 off the bat into a helmet. I think this is a really good angle for it. I'd like more, but I love this.

[B]

Angle also, by the way, at the moment that the ball was batted, AJ Pruszynski was on the broadcast talking about how Hunter Green is not a true ace. He is one of my guys who I'm always lobbying for. Even though he's 24 and 29 in.

[C]

His career, that's the number of decisions he has.

[B]

Crazy. I mean, baseball, I guess. Sorry, I was off by one way. And he's 25 and 20. Baseball is so weird right now, you guys. Hunter Green has a career ERA plus of 123. So that's the same ERA plus as Mike Messina. Mike Messina finished his career 270 and 153. Hunter Green, obviously only maybe a third of the way through his career is 25 and 29. It's like wild how like the numbers for not just wins, but decisions like in one generation, completely, completely wiped clean.

[A]

And if you think about like a. A bell curve of a pitcher's outings, it. The ones on the edges, it's like you can pitch the best you've ever pitched and not get a decision. But if you pitch the worst you've ever pitched, you're going to get a decision, most likely. So you're going to see records like Hunter Greens, I think, where it's, you know, a little lopside, a little under.500. Not reflective. That's the new sport.

[C]

I agree with AJ Brzezinski.

[A]

Yes. AJ stands for Andy Jacola. Przynski. Non nays.

[C]

I mean, hey, the man's right. Sam, what do you. How much baseball do you watch per day?

[B]

I got my MLB TV rap recently, and it was 900 hours this year. So that is about five hours a day.

[C]

That's a lot of. You can find it all at pebble hunting because you just, like, see so many things that I do not during the course of the day. And it's probably because you're watching baseball all day.

[B]

A lot of years, especially when I was at espn, by June, I would quit watching entirely. And it would be a sort of a source of great shame. Like, I would be recording a daily podcast and writing twice a week on this sport that I had basically retired from in June. But this year I kept at it. I kept watching it. And, you know, like, a lot of that is like doing the dishes and folding the laundry. I'm not permanently attached to my couch, but yeah, I watched a lot of game.

[C]

Yeah, it would be absolutely shameful to do a regular podcast and write about baseball without watching the sport all that often. That would just be. That would be disgusting.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. Don't reveal the secret sauce. My MLB.com Wrapped is a little bit funny. MLB TV Wrapped is because I have, like the secret ways access to watch Giants games on there. So I use it to watch a lot of Giants games when I'm out and about. Because I'm a, you know, professional journalist. I need these things.

[B]

Is that legal or did someone slip you the coin?

[A]

It's legal. It's legal. It's. It's above board. I'm not. I'm not, you know, messing myself up on this this year podcast.

[C]

There's like a discount for ball writers that you can get with MLB tv.

[B]

What?

[A]

So you're kidding, but it's mine.

[C]

Blackouts.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know about the discount. So this is. I see I have T Mobile, so I. I get the stuff for free. I just get the blackouts lifted, which is.

[C]

I think so. At least I don't. Yeah, I get the. It's a blackout listed thing or. Yeah.

[A]

So.

[C]

Yeah. So if you want to fix the blackouts, join the bbwa. You know, that'll. That'll make it all worse.

[B]

What I really need is 7% more baseball games that I can watch.

[A]

You could actually see the Dodgers, though. I mean, that would. Did you ever get a chance to watch the Dodgers this year?

[B]

Heck of a team. Few games on Fox in October.

[C]

They're a good club. They're a good club.

[A]

All right, Andy, what you got on the micro level?

[C]

My favorite play of the year is Pete Alonso running. I'll put it in the chat so we can just all just look at it again one more time.

[A]

Oh, God, this is. I mean, it really is. You open it prepared to watch funny running, and you're still not prepared.

[C]

He becomes amphibian as he rounds second base. Never seen it before.

[B]

You know, I wrote about Pete Alonso's flips to first base this year, which he's got a lot of them that were bad. And the. Actually, what got me starting to watch Pete Alonso's flips in the first place was that he flipped a ball to Kodai Senga that was, you know, high, and it was a bad flip. Unforced air. But what really stuck out to me was that he did a little, like, unnecessary leg kick. And it was a very strange move. Like, I couldn't figure out what the leg was even doing in the play. And that's what got me watching the mechanics of. Of Pete Alonso trying to throw the ball short distances. He's an awkward man. He's a real awkward man.

[C]

He gets wiggity giggity when he's not in the box pretty easily, I would say.

[A]

How would you search? So this is an audio medium. How would people search this, Andy?

[C]

I mean, it just literally Google what I did. Pete Alonzo, running people. It's like the first thing that comes up on TikTok.

[B]

Lots of batters will trip on their bat, but Alonzo had, last postseason, tripped on his bat more awkwardly than anybody I've ever seen. So I just sent you guys a clip to that, too.

[C]

The moment that I will remember the most is from the seventh game of the World Series. There's a lot of moments, but the one that just stands out to me is being in the building. And I think I've talked about this on the pod. I know I. My terrible game story ended up being the lead from Game 7. But literally, when Will Smith's ball landed in the Blue Jays bullpen, it was so quiet, you could hear it thunk. I have never experienced that in my career. That was remarkable. The level of noise was so loud and then completely deathly silent, and then I guess that echoed off the ceiling or something. But never, never experienced that before. Never, never will again. That one really sticks with me. And I think, you know, a lot of people, there's so many different things out of that series and even just out of that last game. But that one, yeah, that's the one I keep coming back to.

[A]

It's like a powerful. I've talked before about the home run that Carlos Correa hit in the 2017 World Series when it Landed above the left field bleachers. Fireworks went off right where the ball landed. It was like, it seemed like it was what caused the explosion. It was great. And I'll remember that. And it's a detail you never would get if you're not there. And it makes you like kind of appreciate the moment a little bit. I mean you're at one of the greatest game sevens you in any World Series ever. One of the best sporting events. It was just so much fun and you got a little, little director's Criterion Collection extra.

[C]

I candidly had a bad time during the World Series. I had travel issues. We've talked about. My gout was flaring up. I'm very tired. But that was, that was worth the price of admission, I would say, which was free.

[B]

I didn't. Where were you? Were you. You were an auxiliary?

[C]

No, the box, the box in Skydome is down the left field line now. They moved it from behind the plate. So that was part of actually made the watching the games a little like. Because the two biggest hits went out to left field, you kind of can't really track it normally from where you're at in left. So when Miguel Rojas ball got hit, I just like jumped out of my chair to follow it down the line essentially. And kind of the same experience with Will Smith's ball. And so yeah, just a little inside look at how the sausage is made.

[B]

That Will Smith homer is. I think it's the fourth biggest hit in major league history by championship win probability added. And yet for the purposes of this conversation, for Grant 9 not being there to hear the thud, it's like maybe the sixth thing that I'll remember from that series for sure.

[A]

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[A]

Every time. Every time Enos in the clubhouse, like, he's laughing with a pitcher and joke and, like, I'm like a derp, you know, I got a question for you. But, like, they, like, you know, because he's talking about craft, for sure.

[C]

And the challenge, I think, is just finding, like, what are the. What are those topics that actually cross over to interest, like, the general reader and not, you know, sort of like the people who are obsessed with, like, pitch design and things like that? Because that's. That's, like, real. The real good stuff is. Is when you can have a subject that is, like, the material is rich, but also there's an audience for it. And I think that the pitch tipping stuff this year, it moved over from. Became like a major plot point, you know, and it's added some elements to the game that I think are fun. I think, like, the fake tipping aspect of it, specifically, like, guys like Josh Naylor just sort of doing the hokey pokey in second base every time, that's, like. That's added an element of sort of flair and whimsy that we had sort of been missing that, to me, I feel like I like to chart kind of the changes in the sport through, like, how people are seeking an edge. And this, you know, kind of the return of pitch dipping as a real force, I think is probably what I will take away the most. When I think back on, like, what was 2025 about? It was like, well, the Dodgers won, Pete Alonso ran. And now, like, pitch tipping is a thing that every pitcher thinks about constantly.

[A]

It's codified subterfuge. I just came up with that phrase. It's just like, it's. It's the. It's the good kind of subterfuge, particularly.

[B]

The pitch tipping that involves the runner on second base picking up some sort of cue and trying to signal it to the batters has been very fun because, like you say, there's this paranoia that defenses all feel, and offenses are playing into that paranoia, whether or not they have anything, as you alluded to. And so there's just constantly teams trying to act like they're tipping off the batter, even when they don't have anything. You know, that move where you intentionally run around, you know, the pitcher will sometimes intentionally balk a runner over to third when the run doesn't matter. So, like, it's the ninth inning, you're up three runs, there's a runner on second. And you're like, look, I don't want a guy looking over my shoulder. Maybe he's tipping. I don't want to worry about him. And so they'll intentionally balk him over to third. And I started seeing that. Not regularly, but, like, I saw Cade Smith do that in, like the sixth inning. So this was not a run. That was insignificant. I was used to the no bah. You know, the intentional Bach being like, literally does not, it does not matter whether he's on second or third in any way. This was the sixth inning. It mattered, like, now a wild pitch and a run scores in the sixth inning. I was sort of embarrassed for him. I'm like, come on, you can't pitch with a runner on second. But then I, you know, I read after the game like Steven Vogt was saying, I called that. You know, we feel pretty sure that, like, it's just a distraction and they're, they're going to be doing things out there. And it was worth it for me to put him on third base. I mean, Kate Smith could have struck the guy out with a runner on second, but I didn't want to put him through that. So, yeah, the intentional balk to third is growing. And yeah, that's a good one that you're right. Anything that gives you something to watch that's like always on the screen on the center field camera is good. And that's why pitch framing was such a blessing for, like, baseball, like, you know, for seam heads, because you could just start watching the catcher's glove. This is like a new element that's on the center field cam that you can watch for all the time.

[C]

Yeah, and it's also, it's just easier to understand because, like, pitch framing, you know, like you said, is for seam heads. Whereas anyone watching the game can be like, why does Aaron Judge keep doing the Angels in the outfield thing at second base? And it's like, well, he's trying to signal that the guy's throwing a fastball, you know, so it's just, it's, it's fun.

[B]

It used to be that you'd get thrown at, though, if you. Totally legal, totally legal to signal from second base to the batter, but against the unwritten rules and the pitcher and the catcher, they'd yell back at you and tell you to knock it off. And if you didn't, they, you know, throw at the battery. So it's interesting that that has stopped. Occasionally you'll see a pitcher get get read about it and start talking to the runner on something. But mostly that has become allowed by the unwritten rules.

[C]

It feels like the plurality of kerfluffles now are related to tipping. You know where it's like, why were, why were you guys yelling at each other? It's like oh, three innings ago they were, they were trying to steal our tips and it's like, okay, like with their eyes.

[B]

You know what I mean? Speaking of cheating, this is a tangent a little bit, but there was a piece at the Athletic about today about Emmanuel Classe violating the league's cell phone policy that he had been dinged for violating the league's cell phone policy by being on his phone during the game. And a detail in there that I did not realize and that kind of blew my mind is that after the league said you can't use any digital devices during games, they enforce that by having three full time employees at every game going around looking for players on their phone.

[A]

Three, three.

[B]

This is why we have had jobs growth for like 180quarters in a row. Major league baseball is just hiring everybody. There's one in each clubhouse and then there's one who roams and goes to the bullpens and things like that. And according to this article, the players all hate them because they're basically hall monitors and. And they're just trying to get them in trouble for checking their phone, which they all do by the way. That's another detail here is they do check their phone and then they get caught checking their phone. And this year, according again, according to this reporting, the rules were. Were loosened a bit so that players in the clubhouse could listen to music.

[A]

On their. On their phone.

[B]

Their phone.

[A]

So this extends to the clubhouse. This isn't just a dugout thing. This is during the game.

[B]

During the game you're not allowed to be. Yeah, you weren't allowed to use your phone at all. Now you can can check it if you have like a time sensitive text to your spouse that you need to send or to listen to the music. The union kind of like discussed this with the league and because cheating in the old like 2017 Red Sox style involving like Apple watches or whatever. That's. Since that doesn't really happen anymore because of Pitchcom, they thought, well, we don't need to be quite as hard on these guys checking their phones.

[C]

Getting classe for cell phone usage is a real sort of Al Capone tax evasion situation.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Oh man.

[C]

Maybe I've told this story on the pod, but the Apple watch Thing, it reminds me, Ned Yost had an apple watch in 2015. People pointed out that, like, hey, like, you're not allowed to have electronic devices in the clubhouse or in the. In the dugout. And so I asked Ned about it, and I was like, hey, you're using an illegal watch. Like, what's. What's up with this? And, like, I called the league and, like, wrote a story, and, you know, he was like, I don't know, man. I used to tell the time like, you didn't I? Whatever. Like, he got rid of the watch, and then a local watchmaker in Kansas City just made him a new expensive watch, and he got it for free.

[A]

Dang, that's a great story.

[C]

What do I get? Like, I don't. I get nothing. I just get yelled at by Ned, and he gets a free watch.

[A]

Can he give you the apple watch? I mean, no, he didn't give me.

[C]

The apple watch, but he could have. I mean, he certainly could have. He could have given me the. Anyway, I just. I think about that whenever I think about the Apple watch controversy is that was. I think it was like. Honestly, it might have been like Riley Breckenridge tweeting at me being like, ned has an Apple watch. He shouldn't be using it. That's illegal.

[A]

So good. Thrice known in the rock world for just being snitches. I mean, it's. That. That's there. So the beginning of this year, I covered. Not covered. I just. I had sort of a different role because the beat writer for the Giants beat, Andy Baggerly, was on a sabbatical. So I was kind of like this hybrid quasi beat, still doing my. My stuff.

[B]

It.

[A]

It was different enough to burn me out. It was different enough to where I was very insecure, different enough to where my routine was. Was shifted. And I don't do well with shifted routines. And so I'm just sort of in my own head. I'm in Chicago, and I'm just wondering, like, you know, just having a crisis of my job. What's. What's the. What's the term?

[C]

It's existential crisis.

[A]

No, it's when you think you're not good. Imposter syndrome. I had had some serious imposter syndrome for the first time two months of the season, and then we are. It's. It's a nice Cubs game. It's a nice five to three, Giants lead heading into the ninth. And then the Cubs get their last ups five to three. A couple innings later, the final score was 14 to five Giants. And that happens because they scored nine runs in the top of the 11th inning against Ryan Presley. Yeah, Ryan Presley gave up all nine. And it was just watching something and remembering, reminding yourself that this is a game where you can at any time. And it's such a cliche, but just, Yeah, I never done saw that before. Like, that is something. I came to the ballpark and I saw something I didn't see before. But then as you dig into the research, no one had really seen it before. This is historic extra inning sort of outburst. Nine runs in an 11th inning. And so I start, I take what I was writing about, and it had like, chunks of Justin Verlander content, and then I ditch it because he's the starter. It didn't quite work out. They didn't save his win yet again. And all of a sudden I've got like this paragraph about Jim Thorpe, because he was the first pinch runner in Giants history to come in as a pinch runner and then get in that bat, right? So that happened in this game. Christian Koss came in as a pinch runner, came in, got a hit. And so the idea that I can start by just typing things about Justin Verlander and end by typing things about Jim Thorpe, it was like just this rejuvenation of like, hell, yeah, baseball is so much fun. I am so lucky. I love this. Everything about it. That game, to me, will always stand out. It was earnest. I'm sorry about that.

[C]

That's. No, we like earnestness.

[B]

That's a good memory I have. I also remember that game for the Ryan Presley of it all, because he gave up. He gave up nine runs, he got no outs, and he also only faced eight batters. So he. He started with the extra runner. And so he.

[C]

Tough day at the office.

[B]

That is really, like. I guess it's not technically insult to injury, but it's whatever. It's like, it feels like rubbing it in to just be like, we're going to throw extra runners out there and.

[A]

You know, spinning plates.

[B]

I love what my. I mean, I love relievers, right? Because you never know if they're good. You. Even when you're, you know, like, you just never know if they're good. That day, that week, that month, you're. It's hard to keep track of who's good and who's not.

[A]

Ryan Walker blew that save, you know, the best reliever of 2024, you know, well, he was great in 2024, but.

[B]

Yeah, to your point, Ryan Walker is good, but people don't know Andy And I have a hard anti Ryan Walker stance because Grant cited him winning the reliever of the Year in 2024 award as being proof that the award works or something. And to Andy and I, it's exactly the point. Like Ryan friggin Walker.

[C]

I still don't exactly know who he is.

[B]

Yeah, so Ryan. Adrian Hauser bullpen Ryan Presley entering that game, 2.08 ERA. Okay, 2.08 ERA. Ryan Presley in the 25 games after that game, 0.77 ERA. 0.77. So he basically has this total meltdown. It lifts his ERA for the season to 7.6 and then he spends two months pitching almost flawlessly, gets it down to 3.22 and then has a couple of slightly rough outings in a row and the Cubs release him.

[C]

Yeah. Did he get hurt or something?

[B]

He just, he just disappeared. He had bad stuff, you know, like his stuff in his peripherals were diminished this year. The nine run game, obviously not reflective of his true ability. And yet in a weird way, the Cubs watching him closely thought that it was more reflective than the two months of 0.77 ERA. And yeah, he just got released. That's why nobody remembers him pitching in the postseason. He wasn't there. He wasn't allowed.

[C]

When you're talking about Ryan Presley, I was like, oh yeah, why wasn't he on the Cubs roster in the, in the ds? And it's like he wasn't on the Cubs period.

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Sam what else do you remember?

[B]

People who have been around me know that I've been obsessed with the fundamentals this year. I have probably an imaginary storyline that the fundamentals have completely collapsed and that they were all good until I, you know, until like a year or two ago and then all of a sudden they collapsed. So I was tracking bad fundamentals all year and enjoying that, enjoying watching the ballplayers who just can't do basic things anymore. But my favorite probably fundamentals collapse, favorite fundamentals failure, which I don't think I've written or talked about anywhere, was Eli White, who was on second base in the ninth inning and his team, the Braves, they were down by one run and a ball was lined into center field for a base hit and Eli White got this great read on it and took off for third hoping to score.

[C]

Oh yes.

[B]

And then just as he gets to third, something in his head clicks over and he thinks shoot, maybe it got caught. And instead of looking he just stops, turns and sprints back to second base where he is tagged out in the face. By the way, I think that's adding hard tag to the face and it's one of the weirdest things because like the camera operator, nobody knows where the play is all going in one direction and all of a sudden a guy is running against traffic, basically like one car driving down the wrong side of the road and the Padres Are excited. They tag him out. And instead of the tying run scoring, now the second out of the inning has been recorded. That was a glitch. Like, it was like a brain glitch where like something in his brain was like replaying his read and all of a sudden thought, oh no, I think it got caught. Like, I think I read that too aggressively. But really it was a fun in a very similar subtle way, it was a fundamentals mistake because if you watch the, you know, full, full view of the field, you can see the third base coach has put up the stop sign. What I'm pretty sure happened is that Eli White was running. He gets to 30, sees the third base coach with his arms up like stop. And he reads that as stop, you are doing it wrong.

[C]

And so he turns.

[B]

But there are two different positions for a third base coach in that situation. If he wants you to stop, if he wants you to go back, the third base coach would be standing near the base and he'd be like waving you back to second. But in this case, the third base coach was halfway down the line, which is where you hold a runner from going home. And so the third base coach was in position to communicate stay at third. And Eli White, though without the proper fundamentals to know third base coach positioning, he misread the cue, then did a really embarrassing thing. And so that was probably my single fundamentals failure of the year. In a year where I have just like, I have folders and folders of like guys doing bad, bad fundamentals, like dumb bloopers. And that's my, that's probably my highlight.

[C]

One worth noting that the third base coast match to Yasasopo was dismissed about a week later. And in the clip he has the stop sign up. And then when Eli White turns, you can almost hear him like he's spreads his arms wide as White goes back and you can almost hear him say some version of wahapa.

[A]

Got a wheel wet wagon.

[B]

You don't see a lot of third base coaches fired mid season. I think we talked about that at the time and the Braves made it clear that it was that most of the discussion was that he was too aggressively sending guys. And so that, that was basically implicitly saying it was not Eli White that got him fired.

[C]

Yeah, Sam, if you had to, if you had to predict it, would you say the fundies will be better or worse next year?

[B]

I mean, it all. Since this is so subjective and almost entirely, entirely in my mind. And I would say just depends how I wake up on March 27 what kind of mood I'm in. But definitely there's been a signaling that teams are really like that. One of the takeaways from the year is like, let's play like the Brewers. Like, that was a big storyline. And you've seen teams in their hiring decisions have leaned into better coaching, better fundamentals, better preparation, doing the little things, getting younger and more athletic, all that stuff. Grant, I think that when you wrote up the Giants, did you.

[A]

Tony Patel?

[B]

Yeah, I think that that came up. I think Scott Harris with the Tigers talked about how he wanted to make that a priority for the offseason. So to the degree that any of this is A real and B, like, you can change the trends, I think we're going to get more stories in spring about, like, pitcher fielding practice.

[C]

There are going to be a lot of questions on how many outs are there in an inning.

[B]

Yeah. What is the infield fly rule? Can we decode that? 2. Two guys falling for the infield fly rule. Drop ball in a week. Stunning.

[A]

It's like one. One full day when March is just like picking up the ball in front of the mound. And when the catcher points, that's where the ball goes. When the catcher says, right here, that's where the ball goes.

[B]

So I think probably in a couple of weeks, I'm going to write a post about how much we should expect, how much we can expect players to know the rules, because there are. There is a lot of not knowing the rules that I saw this year. And on the one hand, you think, come on, guys, get your act together. This is, on the other, the rules. It's crazy. It's the IRS.

[C]

You know, they're Byzantine. It's.

[B]

It's 170 pages just in the main rules. And then you have addendums, you have appendices, you have the umpire's manual, you have various ancillary. Ancillary rulebooks. And I'm not actually sure that it's fair to expect players to know the rules of the game. I think we might have gone too far.

[C]

There's generally one guy on every coaching staff. We'd be like, wait, what does he do here? And they're like, he knows the rules. It's like, oh, that's it. And it's like, that's his basic thing, is he knows the rules. Yeah, that's his responsibility.

[A]

You're like, okay, you know, you've got the levels, you've got the major league umpires, you got the minor league umpires. Then you different sports, you get the rest of the top. Right? It goes all the way down. Right now there are people who are professional umpires, but we're talking, like, at a high competition level for teenagers, perhaps arguing about rules right now on some form on the Internet because it's Byzantine enough to where these people who have this is the Internet rabbit hole they live in. And you can still argue when you get to the bottom.

[C]

Was this the type of stuff that Garbanzo24 was up to?

[A]

Oh, man. Garbanzo24. Garbanzo24.

[C]

How do you guys feel about the. The Washington Nationals assembling a front office and coaching staff comprised of people who have probably never subscribed to a local newspaper?

[B]

So garbanzo24 is the guy that the Nationals just hired to be the GM, and he was a frequent commenter on McCovey Chronicles. Like, what era are we talking about? And how. How immersed was he? And like, did he ever post a Travis singles image after a Travis Ishikawa single?

[A]

He was a regulars. Regular. I mean, like, of the. The 10, 20 people that I remember, the. The usernames. I mean, I remember because that's. That's good old Sam Miller. You remember how SB Nation used to work where they have fan posts on the side diaries? Well, he would do fan posts, and then eventually he's like, screw this, I'm gonna get my own blog. And he had his own blog, Giant blog. And he's. He was smarter than me as a teenager. He's smarter than me now. And look at him go. Look at him go.

[C]

I just would say, as someone who's 38, no person feels more disdain for a group than the people who are just a few years younger than them. So, you know, the youngest version of millennials. I have no respect for them. That's how I feel.

[B]

Just a few years younger than us. Grant, do we know anybody who's just a few years younger than us that we have disdain for?

[C]

Good job.

[A]

Well done.

[C]

I'm like. I'm like 10 years younger than you guys.

[A]

Yeah, I know. I forget it, though, because you look like. I was just. I want to wrap it up with ending. I. One thing that I think we can all maybe not agree on in the same sort of way, but in the 18 inning game in the World Series game, or. What was that? Five? No, what was it? Game three. 18 inning game. Seeing the Internet on blue sky come alive again and have fun with it in the way that I remember social media being. No, no, we were all talking about. You were on. You're out There on the bad site.

[C]

I wasn't on the bad side, you know where I was.

[A]

Grant, Deadline, not a big deal.

[C]

Not only was I on deadline, I just want to say I spent the last 10 innings with Evan Drelic behind me in the food room, trying to find something to eat because he had come down from the ox box. So I'm like, trying to write, and Evan's, like, looking over my shoulder like, hey, is there any. Do you have any pretzels there for that?

[A]

For three hours, you're like, Joe Cabot and Reservoir Dog's writing his book and he's, you know, behind you going like, hey, you know, let me distract him.

[C]

I'm trying to write a game story, you know, that is going out the second the game ends from the food room because there's not enough seats in the press box. Blue sky was lit is what.

[A]

Let me just tell you. We all wanted a cigarette afterwards because it was the kind of communal excitement experience of baseball that I really remember. And it's not coming back. Like, I don't think it's ever come back. But for that one night, for that 18 in game, it was social media perfection.

[C]

I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about. I wouldn't describe it as a triumphant return, but I'm thinking about starting to post a little bit more again. And I probably will do it on Blue sky because, you know, x. The everything site has become like. It's just like. There's just no response is.

[B]

Is the thing.

[C]

It's like, for the stuff, if I, like, send out a story, it's not even, like, I'm not even getting into the political aspect and the AI slop and, you know, all that. But it's just like, if I post a story that I wrote, it just gets no attention. And then it's like, well, what is the point of putting this out there? It's so people can, like, see it.

[A]

So it's bad. And it already was rotting brains, but now just bad.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I might just go on Blue sky and, you know, listen to you guys make jokes about what is it? It's just like all jokes about Guided by Voices. I assume it's a little bit.

[A]

My feed's not as robust because I. There's like 900 people that I followed on Twitter that I'm not following here, and I don't know how many of them I want to refollow. So I'm being very judicious. But I. I think it's, you know, it could be fun.

[C]

It could be fun. Yeah, we'll see.

[B]

I don't know.

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We're gonna be back the week of January 5th. At some point. We'll be back.

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