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Major Win For Bitcoin And Crypto: Senator Hagerty On His Historic Stablecoin Bill
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Senator Bill Haggerty
We have not let partisanship enter into this. We've just tried to deploy common sense.
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Interviewer
I don't think that it was unjustified to be concerned with Facebook having their own money.
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Senator Bill Haggerty
Politics are for a different arena, not for financial institutions.
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Interviewer
So I think the kind of people that are in this administration are naturally in love of freedom and therefore naturally understand Bitcoin.
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Senator Bill Haggerty
It starts at the top because President Trump is on board.
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Interviewer
Right? The United States is fortunate to have champions like Senator Bill Haggerty speaking and working on behalf of our industry. Just yesterday, by tol chance, I didn't know that this was going to happen when we had the interview scheduled. By total chance, the Senate passed the Genius bill with major bipartisan support. That bill was authored by today's guest, Senator Bill Haggerty. We talked about the entire process of getting the Genius bill passed, what's coming in the future, the odds of it getting to President Trump's desk and being signed, but more importantly, the future of the crypto industry in the United States. And after speaking with him, I can tell you that the future is exceptionally bright, and we are very lucky to have him on our team. This episode is brought to you by Binance, the world's number one crypto exchange, trusted by over 270 million users worldwide. Start your crypto journey with binance@binance.com Binance is not available in prohibited countries, including the U.S. check its terms for more information. Www.binance.com en terms.
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Senator Bill Haggerty
That's dope.
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Interviewer
Senator Haggerty, it's an honor to have you on the show. We've been trying for a long time, and it's kismet that it happened today because the Genius act passed the Senate yesterday. So we would have been having a lot of conversations about what could potentially happen in the future. Now we can actually talk about the success of the past. So maybe we should dig first into that process and how that bill was finally passed and what's coming in the future for it. But maybe just start with the beginning of the Genius Act.
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Senator Bill Haggerty
Certainly. Well, the beginning goes back a year or more. In terms of our initial work pulling things together. We had text that was made available back in the fall of 2024. So the concept, the legislative language has been on the street for some time. We've solicited a tremendous amount of input from industry, those people that would be regul, people that are able to inform us as to where the market's headed. Also a lot of input from the executive branch. The treasury have been very helpful, particularly as we brought the legislation closer to Banking Committee hearing. But one of the critical things that had to happen was we had to have a change of the gavel here in the Senate. Sherrod Brown, who had been the Banking Committee chairman, would have never allowed this to come to the floor. Senator Warren was the most focal opponent of this and she's the ranking member on the Senate Banking Committee right now. But with the leadership of Senator Tim Scott in the Banking Committee, we had our opportunity to bring this forward. And he and I and Cynthia Lummis, the three of us talked about what our priorities would be. And this is the absolute number one priority for Senate Banking. And if you look at the substantive legislation that's coming through, we had the Lake and Riley act very early on, dealing with immigration and criminal activity associated with with immigrants here in America. But this is something that really opens up an entirely new market. It's just a different type of legislation. Regulation will come from this. But the point is that we wanted to provide regulatory clarity for a market that we saw great potential. And I wanted it to happen here, not overseas, not in other markets, but I wanted it to happen here in America. And unfortunately, what had happened in the prior four years under the previous administration is regulation by enforcement, anything but clarity. It had been very, very difficult for anyone who was even thinking about issuing or trading to find the rules of the road for how that should work here in the United States. And the result of that was we were losing innovators, we were falling behind. And I don't think anybody wanted to see that happen. This isn't necessarily a partisan issue. This is something that if people take the time to understand where we're going and you want to see the American financial markets remain the most competitive in the world, you have to move into this arena. You can't sit back in your hands or let other nations take it. And if I think about what had been proposed and what the preference might have been. A central bank digital currency. Absolutely not. I mean, this is America. Liberty and freedom are in our DNA. And a central bank digital currency just causes recoil for so many Americans. That's not going to happen. Because what that would allow. If you think about one central issuer who sees all transactions, can control all transactions, that's an invasion of privacy that we wouldn't want to see. But more important, it's handing control off to a government that we have already seen with chokepoint 2.0. The types of things that the government has been guilty of. When an out of favor industry or an out of favor, could even be a person. I think about what happened to Melania and Barron Trump getting debanked in New York. I mean, this is not what we want to see happening in our financial system. Politics are for a different arena, not for financial institutions. So having the opportunity to move forward on a decentralized technology, I think just felt right to me from my very personal sense of liberty and freedom. But also, I've been a business person my whole life, and I started out my career at Boston Consulting Group, then in venture and private equity, I focused on seeing new opportunities, opportunities that could be transformational, funding those opportunities, helping them grow. And this is an opportunity that's beyond transformational for us. This has so many positive implications. But what we need needed was a regulatory framework here in America that didn't exist. And where it does exist, I don't want to see our technology moving there. The last thing I think we want is the type of regulatory framework they have in China. That is a central bank digital currency there. And the digital yuan is not the currency of preference for anybody who thinks hard about their own freedom. Do we want this move into Europe or other jurisdictions? I think not. I think we'd rather see the innovation happen here. So I'm thrilled that we were in a position. The stars align. Tim Scott is chairman of the Banking Committee. John Thune as the leader here, allowing us to have the time and the space to put this on the floor, to debate it, to get a lot of input both sides of the aisle. This is a very bipartisan bill to get a lot of input and bring it forward in a way that we actually could get it passed last night. Not that we didn't have a lot of hurdles. We had a lot of things thrown at us, and we can talk about that later. But we, at the end of the day, navigated this with 18 Democrats joining us. So I think it's something that we should be proud of as a nation. It's something I talked to the President about today. He is ready to sign it. He wants to see it there on his desk quickly. It's got to move through the House of Representatives next. But assuming it gets to the House of Representatives quickly and in a fashion that doesn't have to come back to the Senate again. We'll get it to the president's desk very soon.
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Interviewer
Obviously, there was legislation proposed in the House as well, the Stable Act. And so I've had trouble actually parsing what the major differences are between those. I actually spoke to Senator Gillibrand about it as well, and she couldn't quite put her finger on it either. Could that be a potential obstacle, that there could be something meaningfully different in the Stable act or a different view of how this should be legislated in Congress? Or do you think that this could be a relatively smooth process?
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Senator Bill Haggerty
I think it could be a relatively smooth process. Brian Stile, who is the author of that legislation, a great guy, I work well with him. I think we're very close. We've been moving in parallel, if that makes sense. And I think he'll be very happy with the content of what he's getting from the Senate today. So I think we're in a good place there. I think the other question would be, do you want to append a much more complicated piece of market structure legislation to it? And in my conversations with the White House, they're like, that's going to drag things down. It certainly would allow a way out for folks that voted for this, but took a lot of pressure from major opponents like Elizabeth Warren. If it comes back anything different, it's going to find its way to the waste bin pretty quickly. And just to put the politics into perspective, we just finished this vote last night. We're very soon, meaning next week, likely to move into a vote on the reconciliation bill. That's going to be a wholly partisan process. I think tempers are going to flare. I think it's going to be rough. It'll take a while to get back to a place where we can work arm in arm and side by side on a bipartisan basis. But with this bill, this piece of stablecoin legislation, the Genius act, we have not let partisanship enter into this. We've just tried to deploy common sense and it's taken a great deal of education, a lot of work. But we've had great work at a staff level and I've been very proud of our staffs working alongside one another. And at the member level, I couldn't be more thankful for the help, for example, of Senator Gillibrand and others on the Democrat side who really helped us make this a strong piece of legislation.
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Interviewer
Interestingly, she was one of the co signers. As I said, I've interviewed her quite a few times, but even she, in that first cloture vote, voted against the act. And there was some fear that something that seemed like a layup was going to become very, very difficult. So you mentioned that we could talk about the challenges with the process of actually getting this passed because it seemed like everyone was in alignment on stablecoins and all of a sudden, there was some disagreement and obviously managed to get it through. So what was the process of sort of losing the Democrats that were on board and then bringing them back into the fold?
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Senator Bill Haggerty
Well, I think the challenge starts at the committee level. The ranking member, the ranking Democrat on the Banking Committee now is Elizabeth Warren. Elizabeth Warren is vehemently opposed to this bill. And at 11:30, as I mentioned, we've had the text out since the fall of last year. We've been negotiating back and forth across the aisle, getting ready for our Banking committee hearing at 11:30 on the night before the hearing, the next morning, Senator Warren's team unloaded over 80amendments to the bill. Most of the amendments were toxic. They would have destroyed the bill. And we spent close to four hours in the committee meeting with Senator Warren sending one amendment after the other over the net, so to speak, to use a tennis analogy, and just serving them back with responses about why that wouldn't work, why this has already been considered, and why this doesn't fit. But it was a heroic effort by her. I'd say she's very talented to try to derail it in the committee. And at the end of the day, I didn't know where we would wind up with the vote. But what happened when it finally came to a vote in the committee? Senator Warren was able to hold five other Democrats with her. Five of her Democrat colleagues came over and joined me and all the Republicans, and we put this out of committee with the most bipartisan result out of the Senate Banking Committee we've had in over a decade. So I felt very good about that. But I know that Senator Warren was not happy with it. I don't know what was said. But before the first vote came out on a Thursday afternoon after launch, I know that there was a very rough luncheon on the Democratic Conference side, and even the sponsors like Senator Gillibrand came out and voted against this. And I don't know what the threat was or what the confusion was or what might have transpired, but they all came out and voted against it. That normally would be the kiss of death. You're in the abyss at that point. Once you failed what is called cloture to get the document, to get the legislation on the floor of the Senate. And I just have to say, hats off to Senator John Thune and again to Senator Scott, our chairman, because they believed in me. They had enough confidence that I said, look, I need another week to fight my way back. This is an education process. I think people have got. I don't know what's happened, but I need a little bit more time. I think we can get there. And sure enough, it took some work, took a lot of work, frankly, but we wound up coming back over many objections. Those objections having to do with things that actually weren't related to this bill at all, but political objections that kind of found their way in. And I think as I could clear the cloud of confusion regarding those political objections and let my colleagues see that this was a very strong, straightforward piece of legislation that's good for the American economy, it's good for our financial system, takes us into the 21st century. More and more heads started nodding the right way, and by the time we brought it to the vote again, we were in a good place.
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Interviewer
That makes perfect sense. I want to circle back to something that you mentioned before, which was central bank digital currencies. So obviously being a bitcoiner for a long time, we've been screaming from the mountaintops about the fears we have about central bank digital currencies for years. That seems to have gained a groundswell even politically over the past few years. But how does the genius act specifically or legislating on ST coins actually prevent a future central bank digital currency? Are there specific pieces of the legislation that speak to that? Or is it just that generally getting ahead of it by allowing stablecoins in certain forms will basically make a central bank digital currency invalid or unnecessary?
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Senator Bill Haggerty
It's the latter. There's certain legislation that's moving around to forbid the United States to ever be involved in a central bank digital currency. But with this stablecoin legislation, we remove the perceived need. We're going to have a very high quality digital dollar, a means of transacting that is going to be efficient. If you think about what the change will be from the current clunky system that we have that was developed in the 1970s and 80s, you're going to have the ability to do almost instantaneous settlements. Compare that to a system that might take five or 10 days to clear, you've got counterparty risk in that system, meaning if the person or the entity on the other side of the transaction were to go bankrupt before the clearing took, you're in a rough place. If you think about currency risk. If it's an overseas transaction, currencies move on a rapid basis. If it is an instantaneous transaction, you take that currency risk out as well. And finally, if you think about your receivables being tied up waiting for something to clear, you've got working capital tied up in a system that's just friction. And if you can take that friction out, you bring that working capital back to the company or the person that could deploy it fruitfully in the economy rather than just being tied up, you know, waiting to be cleared. So all of these benefits are actually very positive from a straightforward business perspective. You put the lens on of somebody who's an American who wants to see our economy thrive. This is going to create more demand for U.S. treasury securities because these stablecoins have to be backed up dollar for dollar by either cash or much more likely short term U.S. treasuries. That additional demand is going to actually lower the US Treasury's borrowing cost. That's going to have ramifications for our deficit. The amount of money we have to borrow just to fund the interest payments on our debt will that's a positive result. And then if you think that the dollar dominance, the dollar as a reserve currency is important as a nation, this is actually going to perpetuate the dollar's position as a reserve currency around the world.
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Interviewer
Let's assume that this gets passed. Will this greatly affect the incumbent players in the stablecoin industry? Obviously the biggest names are Circle, who went public last week, and Tether, who is not based in the United States in favor of banks issuing these stablecoins. We're also seeing Walmart, Amazon, Facebook, Libra once again talking about reviving Libra, bringing back their own stablecoin. I guess. What do you view as the landscape after this legislation clears? Who do you think will be the biggest players? Do you think that anybody will be eliminated? What do you think that that's going to look like?
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Senator Bill Haggerty
I'll set Meta and Google aside for the moment. There's some additional language on that. But with respect to both banks and non bank institutions, non bank institutions like Circle for example, or others that may be in existence or emerge. We've tried to create a level playing field here and we're not trying to advantage any one versus the other. But what we're trying to do is move again the US payments economy into the digital age. And so you can be a non bank. The rules of the road are now clear of how you do that, how you issue. And it's something that I think we'll see proliferate. You can operate under a state based regulatory system or under the federal regulatory system. And if you get to $10 billion or greater, the presumption is you'll come over to the federal system, but you can also ask for a waiver. And some states are very sophisticated. They can manage larger issuers. Other states will want you to move on to the federal system, but I think it's a clear framework, but one that's not overbearing. And in this sort of environment, I think you'll see more issuers, new issuers, people who may be offshore, decide to create a subsidiary here or an entity here in the United States that can meet our rules. But again, the disclosure requirements are for. For private issuers, meaning not the central bank, not the Fed, not the US Government. But for private issuers to use a disclosure mechanism, a compliance mechanism, to be able to issue, rather than just absolute government control with respect to entities that have, like Google or Meta, that would have a large amount of personal data about people, a large amount of information about how their transactions might behave, there's an additional clearance that's got to take place that regulatory have to be satisfied that they're not misusing the potential competitive advantage that they have because of the incredible information advantage that they would enjoy because of the, you know, their reach into other parts of a person's life. They. They can't utilize that. They can't force you to buy their services, to use their coin, et cetera, but it doesn't preclude them from doing it. But it does take an extra step to make certain that no surveillance takes place by those that, you know, that monitor your Internet behavior, that this doesn't become part of a surveillance mechanism, that it doesn't wind up being unduly advantaged, so to speak, because of the information advantage that these larger entities that you just described might hold.
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Interviewer
I don't think that it was unjustified to be concerned with Facebook having their own money even in the previous administration. So I do think it's justified to add extra rules, obviously there. So you've said before that the US Must lead in digital assets at innovation. We could risk ceding ground internationally with the Genius act on the books. Now, at least from the Senate, assuming that it's going to pass, do you anticipate Congress passing broader crypto legislation this session? I know that a lot of people are looking towards market structure, which you mentioned before, and even a strategic bitcoin reserve. Those are sort of the other large ticket items on the docket, at least for our industry.
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Senator Bill Haggerty
Yeah, you've done a great job of nailing it, and I think it probably goes in the order that you just described with the momentum of the stablecoin bill. And again, the. And the President's ready to sign this now. I think we move on this quickly. We establish the momentum, we see players come into the marketplace, and I think it becomes a very robust environment just around the stablecoin. Very positive step forward. The market structure component. There are a lot of questions that were raised, frankly, during the process of building the stablecoin legislation that are already putting us down the path on market structure. The House has already done great work on market structure. I still have a lot of education to go. I know here in the Senate side with, with colleagues like Senator Gillibrand working beside me, she's been working on market structure regulation for some time. Senator has as well. I think we can get there. But I think the momentum that we established with the stablecoin legislation really is going to help us. And the fact is that we have 68 senators that are now on the record with this first step into the arena. I think they're going to be much more inclined now to dig in, to roll up their sleeves and understand how we can broaden this into market structure regulation so we can bring much more of the ecosystem into the United States with regulatory Clari. And again, I don't want to be overbearing in terms of our regulatory approach. The last thing I want to do is preclude some sort of unanticipated innovation that I know is going to come from this. Because when you can imagine the intersection of this new technology, this new digital payment system with traditional finance, there are going to be a lot more great ideas that emerge from this. And I'm looking forward to seeing what that might be. And I want to be certain that we are sufficiently hands off, that we're not precluding that innovation from happening here in America. That the guardrails are limited and clear, but not overly prescriptive.
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Interviewer
That's been my greatest fear when looking at legislating this industry in general. It's good to know that that's on the radar because there's always unintended consequences in the future, things that you can't foresee coming to fruition. Now, when you're creating this legislation that seems like an almost impossible needle to thread.
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Senator Bill Haggerty
Well, there's one good thing I would articulate. It may seem obvious, but to some it may not be. And that is that we have a Treasury Department right now that is very much pro crypto that really wants to dig in and help us and work with us. We have an SEC that again, is pro crypto, wants to dig in and work with us. And we've got over three years of this administration to continue to advance the ball here. And I think that's a great window of opportunity when we've got an executive branch that's cooperative, a legislative branch that's already moving in the right direction. It's a real window for us to step up, just keep this momentum going and I think put a great set of, of or great couple of pieces of legislation in place that really broaden this industry so that the United States yet again, is number one in the world with this piece of innovation.
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Interviewer
We mentioned three years, obviously, to get this done. But I think a lot of people fear that it could be far less if there's a change in either the House or the Senate at midterms. So is there an urgency to get it done during this session before everybody goes back into campaigning mode and raising money and trying to get elected? And the chance that one of the Houses could swing, which historically happens all the time when one party is in power.
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Senator Bill Haggerty
And I'm glad you brought that up because that's a clarification I should have made in my thought process there. I'm really thinking about the executive branch on the implementation side having three and a half years from the legislative standpoint, we need to be moving on this as quickly as possible because it does take time for the executive branch to come in and establish the regulations that go along with this. There's a whole notice and comment period. This, because it's a process. The first step of the process is the legislation. And that does need to be done within this Congress. And I think we can do it within this Congress. And then that allows us to then work with the regulators, whether they be at the sec, at the treasury, at the Fed, et cetera, every place that needs to touch this. And again, as you think about market structure, it's going to be broader, but that will give us the opportunity then to put in place the regulatory framework that makes this work.
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Interviewer
Getting market structure right seems very, very difficult. I think a lot of people in the industry look at it as defining what's a commodity and a security. But I would imagine that a market structure bill also has to define how exchanges can operate, the separation between custody and customers, and all the problems that we've basically had with this industry in the past. So it seems like that's the place where, if it's not extremely thoughtful and has people who understand it and the industry's contributions, that things could. Could go wrong unintentionally, even.
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Senator Bill Haggerty
Well, I think one good thing to note, and you've worked. It sounds that you've worked closely with Senator Gillibrand and interviewed her in the past. She's a very competent attorney from Davis Polk, one of the top law firms in the world, a securities lawyer. She's got technical expertise. I think that one would value having her and her team at the table. My own background, I've invested in insurance companies, reinsurance companies. I've served on their boards. I've invested in banks, served on their boards. I was on the board of directors of the large, largest futures and commodities merchant in Chicago for years. So having those of us that have been in various parts of the financial markets that have some experience, I'm thinking about Senator Gillibrand now on the legal side of it as well as on the business side. That goes a long way in terms of creating the environment for us then to bring in industry experts because we have nobody uses the term Rolodex anymore, but a set of contacts and people that want to be helpful on the outside. And I think we know how to listen to them. And so all of that comes together in a way that I think is positive. And again, if we keep in mind that we don't want to be over prescriptive as we do this, but we want to put ourselves in a place where we can open on a legislative branch, the right avenues, and then have regulators at the treasury, the sec, the cftc, et cetera, that are very thoughtful as well, that are there to embrace this and really fine tune it through the regulatory process, we'll be in a better place.
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Interviewer
I can't help but smile when you describe it because I remember what it looked like like much less three or four years ago, but even six months or a year ago for this industry. Now we have favorable regulators, we have favorable or at least bitcoin and crypto proponents at the head of effectively every single part of the government, whether it's financial or not. I don't really know how that happened, but it does seem like the stars have aligned perfectly.
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Senator Bill Haggerty
It starts at the top. Just in 2024, I recall being in meetings with President Trump and bitcoin miners at the Bitcoin National Conference. I helped organize a group of leaders in the industry to sit with President Trump and talk through the opportunities, the hurdles, et cetera. It starts at the top because President Trump is on board. And with that you've got an executive branch that sees the opportunity. And again, the executive branch is populated now with people with real business experience. And I think that definitely helps. I'm biased because that's my background, but I really find it much easier to work With a group of folks like that, who do get it, who've been in the industry, maybe not necessarily component that we would touch a market structure, but that it would have an appetite and an aptitude to address this.
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Interviewer
As I've thought about it, I think you really just nailed it. I think the kind of people that are in this administration are naturally in love of freedom and therefore naturally understand bitcoin and become bitcoiners through the natural process without being forced. I mean, with bitcoin, once you really get it, you never turn back.
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Senator Bill Haggerty
Well, I think that we moved in that direction and, and for those that are with us today and watching this, who were at the Bitcoin Nashville conference, they saw and felt the energy when President Trump was there. I was in Las Vegas just weeks ago. Literally, the energy is contagious right now. I mean, I think the momentum is really, really strong that puts the United States in a position again to attract and retain the best talent in the world. And I just have every confidence that as long as we don't get in the way of it, as long as we're not overly prescriptive, but we can provide certainty, we're going to see an industry thrive here in America like no other place on the planet.
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Interviewer
Let's just dig into that slightly. Taking the 30,000 foot view, let's pretend there's no politics, no roadblocks, no obstacles. In your mind, what would the United States look like in context of the blockchain industry in 5 or 10 years if you were able to do everything that you wanted?
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Senator Bill Haggerty
Well, one of the first things is that we're going to see stablecoin issuers become the largest holders of U.S. treasury securities, not China, not Japan. I think that's good for us as a sovereign nation. I want to see certainly our deficit curve down. I want to see less dependent on borrowing as a nation. And that needs to happen post haste. But in the meantime, people are going to hold our debt securities. That's going to go on and has gone on for decades. It's going to continue to go on. Having a benign issuer like a stablecoin issuer doing that, I think is far superior to having the CCP holding the keys. That's first and foremost. It's sort of a national security aspect of it, if you want to think of it in that way. But as we move further, I think about my own business experience, self executing contracts. If you're in the business of funding and supporting and being in the management team of a smaller company, that's Doing business with one that's much larger. If you've been through the experience that I have, it's not an unusual situation to have completed all the requirements of the contract and they get retraded at the end because the other side has the power and the ability to do it. If you had a self executing contract, you don't have to worry about that. As you complete the various components of whatever your contractual obligation is, you get paid. You just think about the friction that that takes out of the system in a way that most people may not be thinking about it because they're thinking about the currency components of this, but there's so many other things that could be done on the chain. If you think about tokenization and what that might mean for ownership in all types of assets, I think it's just fabulous where this could lead. And I'm just ready to take a step back and watch what happens when traditional finance embraces this. And I've already seen it begin. Just met today with the CEO of one of the top financial institutions in America. They are embracing this. It's going to happen and we're going to see some of the best minds in the world focused on this now, creating new products and new opportunities as a result of it. And what that means is that the United States remains and continues to be at the cutting edge of innovation financial markets. That's where I want to see us.
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Interviewer
It's pretty wild when you talk about these institutions utilizing the technology. The DTCC itself, which is clearing obviously for assets, is working with blockchain technology and testing it. We know that'll be the future. Even the most dismissive CEOs in the world, like Jamie Dimon at JP Morgan. JP Morgan recently announcing that they're going to have tokenized bank deposits and they're using their own coins for cross border transactions. This will be, I don't know how investable it'll be for your average American. If there's a way to make money on it, which is what so many people care about. But this will be the underlying technology that powers everything and as you eloquently described before, makes things more frictionless and more decentralized. I mean, there's going to eliminate those third party toll collectors in between in all of these transactions and all of these different, different facets that we're using it for.
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Senator Bill Haggerty
Well, what you just described, every aspect of what you describes, benefits from one thing and that's momentum. And what we did yesterday by passing this bill establishes momentum that I think will be unstoppable we get this to the president's desk, that momentum is going to continue. We'll get to market structure. We'll get to every other piece of this. And I think we're going to see amazing things unfold here. And it had to start, and it started here last night.
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Interviewer
Well, we're very fortunate to have visionaries like you championing this industry and passing legislation. Congratulations on getting it done. I can't imagine how stressful and difficult that was. And I hope soon we'll be having a conversation about how it's been signed into law and the progress that's being made on market structure. Senator Haggerty, thank you so much for your time.
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Senator Bill Haggerty
Thank you so much. Good to be with you. Thanks. Let's do. Let's dope.