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Pat Liancione
Working genius. It's great to understand other types and to have diversity on your teams and in the people you work with. It's wonderful. But there is something to be said for hanging out every once in a while with people with your same genius letters, knowing that you're allowed to say, ah, I'm with somebody who gets me.
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Cody Thompson
This is really about energy and joy. I've heard this phrase many times, like, I'm going to go unplug and do nothing. And it's like, no, don't do that. There's a way to plug in to the right things.
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Pat Liancione
It's not that you want to spend your whole life that way, but there is something beautiful about spending time with people who think and do things like you, just to kind of reaffirm who you are and to make things easier. Welcome to the Working Genius podcast, where we discuss anything and everything having to do with the six types of working genius and how it impacts your work and your life. I'm Pat Liancione. This is Cody Thompson, my co host. And what's our topic today, Cody?
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Cody Thompson
We're going to talk about recharge with your people.
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Pat Liancione
That's right. Working genius. It's great to understand other types and to have diversity on your teams and in the people you work with. It's wonderful. That's how we get all six types of work done in our home life and in our work life, and it's so great. But there is something to be said, Cody, for hanging out every once in a while with people with your same genius letters and just knowing that you're allowed to say, ah, I'm with somebody who gets me. And we get to talk and do things in the same way. You called it. We talked about. It's like a personality spa. And it's not that you want to spend your whole life that way, but there is something beautiful about spending time with people who think and do things like you, just to kind of reaffirm who you are and to make things easy.
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Cody Thompson
I love this concept, Pat. So much of it goes back to the idea that this is really about energy and joy. And so we talk so often on this podcast about, like, hey, here's what you should do in work that gives you energy and joy, and here's how you complement other people with different geniuses. And we talk about productivity and all this stuff. Well, this is not that episode. This is one that's like, hey, if you need to recharge your battery. So many people think I've heard this phrase many times. Like, I'm going to go unplug from work. I'm going to unplug completely and do nothing. And it's like, no, don't do that. There's a way to plug in to the right things. And one of the best ways and most fun ways is to find some people that share at least one of your geniuses, if not both. And then just have fun. You know, like, play around, talk about things. Talk about the way you see the world, the way you see different things, and, like, it really does give you more energy.
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Pat Liancione
And you and I have one letter in common, and that's discernment. I have one right before I, and you have one right before, after G, which. So all three kind of connect. But, like, one of our favorite things to do when we get together is say, hey, let's just discern, and we talk about our favorite movies. I mean, like, we could sit and talk about great movies all day long or our sports, like, which player is the nicest player or the best player? And we can curate things over a beer forever. One of my sons, his fiance is an ID like me. She's both of ours. And when we're together on vacation or we're doing something as a family, she and I can just, like, in very quick time, we'll see how things are playing out around us. And we have a similar way of approaching getting things done. And we'll just start laughing because we see it the same way. And it's like, in that moment, it's like, oh, okay, I'm not crazy. Somebody else says we should go about it in this way. And even if we don't get to do it that way, we feel kind of affirmed and that we're not crazy.
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Cody Thompson
Yeah. And that's why it's important to say, this is not like, you know, how you build a team and get stuff done. This is purely for being seen and recognized and, like, enjoying and filling up your tank. Like, one of the things that you and I do because we have discernment. You'll take, like, a very. Something that's sort of ubiquitous or constant, and you'll say, how would we change this and make it better? You know, we played golf a handful of times together. You're like, what would I do to change the rules or change golf as, like, a sport that I think more people would enjoy? Well, that's very much just like a mental exercise in discernment. Now imagine if we had to go execute on the plan. That'd be miserable. But just the playing just the playfulness of saying, like, well, what would we. What would we do? It's tapping into our genius. And it's just this, like, carefree playfulness that fills you up, that you don't have to then go say, well, now let's figure that out.
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Pat Liancione
Oh, my gosh, this is so true. I've been thinking about this because, like, I love watching sports and I do this all the time. If you could change one rule, what would it be? And yet other people that don't have my types at all, they're like, can you just watch? Can we just enjoy this? And sometimes I think I'm criticizing it, but I just love the idea of coming up with a new way to look at things. When you're around somebody else that loves to do that, they're like, oh, okay, yeah, let's list the top 10 sports and come up the one rule. And I'm like, this is fun. And other people are like, hey, yeah, that's kind of cool that you do that. It's a little annoying right now.
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Cody Thompson
Yeah.
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Pat Liancione
So sometimes it's fun to just have a personality spa and hang out with somebody who loves to do the same kind of things.
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Cody Thompson
And you can do this with any type. We've talked about discernment, but, like, I've actually observed two people that have wonder and invention. They're creative dreamers. Like, just sit and talk about what's possible. Or, hey, have you ever thought about this? Or ask, like. Like, pose questions to one another that really fill each other up. And at the end they're like, man, that was awesome. We don't have to go do anything with that. You appreciated my wonder in a way that other people don't. Because sometimes it can come across a certain way. So, like, just the idea that, yeah, we're not. This isn't about, like, building a team around this to go execute. It's really about a way to say, hey, I actually love spending time with you. Like, I like what you said is, like, if somebody said, hey, a spa is a perfect analogy. Cause you don't wanna spend your whole life in a spa. You'll never get anything done. But you wanna spend a little bit of time there because it's rejuvenating.
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Pat Liancione
Right? You know, it's so funny. Laura is a wi, My wife. I'm an id, so we share. I. But the difference between one letter off is very different. And I think when you're a wi, a creative dreamer, you can be really misunderstood. Some of my best friends are WIs. It's like when they come to visit, I just want to go, go hang out with Laura for an afternoon because they will have so much fun. Just totally dreaming. And I can deal with it too because I'll say, are we wondering here or do you want me to discern this? And she goes, no, I don't want you to discern it. So I can kind of put that on hold. But when you get to spend time with people who love both things, they just get to build on each other. And it's like, oh, I have another thought. I was thinking, I have another thought. It's like permission to be yourself and not edit at all. I'm going to try to set up Laura on some dates with other wis. That sounds very weird.
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Cody Thompson
It's a great idea. You know, it's funny, I hadn't thought of it in this context until now. There was this, this like monthly event I was trying to start mostly for my own enjoyment. I didn't put it, I didn't put it in that, in those terms, but it was like I'm a discerner galvanizer. So one of my favorite things is to be presented a bunch of ideas, especially like business ideas, then be able to kind of figure out which one I like or I think is viable and then really galvanize that person into like, well, you should go do this. Right. So I thought of this idea of like tapping into the network I have of friends and entrepreneurs here and creating like a minnow tank, not shark tank because they're, they got lots of money and they can do all this stuff but like a minnow tank of like come present like half baked ideas and then let's collectively discern them and then galvanize the people around the best ones. Now that's self serving. It wasn't like there were a bunch of DGs on the panel, like, but that activity sounds like it would be. One of the more fun things I would do like on a, you know, Thursday or Friday night is, is just to have things to evaluate and vet and then like permission to help galvanize people around those. And the more that we think of ways that we can fill our own cups in our personal lives and be around people that would enjoy that. If there were four or five people that were like me and we, and I said, hey, let's just do this once a month, man, imagine how fun that would be and how fulfilling it would be.
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Pat Liancione
Yeah, you've always said you like an ideal job for you. A fun one would be because this one sucks.
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Cody Thompson
I'm always thinking of ways to try
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Pat Liancione
to figure out a good job is to. To have like a. What do you call it? An incubator.
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Cody Thompson
Yeah.
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Pat Liancione
You get to go around and give them a little bit of advice, discern what they're working on, send them in an often direction. Go off to the next company.
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Cody Thompson
Yeah, exactly.
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Pat Liancione
You know what I was thinking about too? There's something. There's. There's a word that almost sounds negative. I don't think it is. It's like, it's nice to commiserate with other people. Imagine if you had a company of a hundred people, everybody did the working genius, and then once a month you said, hey, we're at lunch today. We're gonna have lunch opportunities for all the different combinations. The similar combination. We have 15 different ones, and you just got to go have lunch with four people that had the same working genius as you.
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Cody Thompson
Yep.
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Pat Liancione
And the idea was like, hey, do you ever feel misunderstood? Commiseration is actually. It can sound like you're complaining about other people. It's actually just about empathy and understanding. Like, hey, do you ever notice that when you do this, people think you're skipping steps, but you're really just thinking ahead? Or do you ever notice that you're the responsible one in the meeting and the other people are dreaming and you're feeling like, oh, my gosh, I'm going to be the one that has to make this work. There's something very valuable about having that opportunity, and that would be like, a really good thing to do every once in a while. Then you could go back out there and go, okay, now, I can adjust it based on what people need around me, but I know that I have my people, you know, and like we said, recharge with your people in quotes. We have it. Your people are the people that just do and act and do things the way you do. And sometimes that's really a relief.
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Cody Thompson
Well, and so we've talked of sort of the ideation stage, which is like, oh, we come up with ideas or we evaluate ideas. But this works the same on the implementation side of working genius. Right. Like, imagine a bunch of people with enablement getting in a room. And like, I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that room because they're all wanting to serve each other and anticipate each other's needs. Probably the nicest room of all the lunches that we would put together. You know, it's like, oh, that room's gonna be. Feel like a warm blanket when you walk in there. And like, even. Even we just did a marriage webinar, a working genius marriage webinar. Maybe some of. Some of our listeners were on there, but my wife, who is a discernment tenacity genius, got to spend time with Julie, who is on our team that has the same genius. And this very thing, like, every time they leave, you know, hanging out, they're like, I love hanging out with her because they just see the world in a similar way, and they're responsible in the same ways, and they see the way that they even care for their family similarly. And so it's not like assimilation of values or perspectives. It's a, like, confluence of how you get joy and energy and the way that comes out in your life. And when you are sitting next to someone that, like, you feel seen, like you said, it's commiserating in a positive way of, like, I feel very seen that you and I approach these. These obstacles or these tasks or these, you know, our family or the way we do things very similarly.
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Pat Liancione
And again, that's not to say that one working genius type should be married to another working genius type, but there is something beneficial to. To understanding one another. And one of my sons, his. His fiance, they have the same working genius type. And I see that they get each other. They. I also know that they realize, okay, then we're going to have some blind spots in how we go about getting things done. But there something nice about going, oh, this is how I'm doing things at work. I think I misunderstood. And having the other person go, oh, that drives me crazy too.
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Cody Thompson
Yeah.
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Pat Liancione
You know, again, though, then you have blind spots about trying to get things done. It's such an interesting thing. I think I'm going to really sit down with Laura and talk about who are our friends that have our same type. And we just need a spa date every once in a while. And Hoel in my office is a wi. In our office here. Cody and I think it would be fun if him and Laura just got to get together and just talk about what they're thinking about, because the way they look at their faith and the way they look at projects, and they both love to dream, and it would be really fun to let them kind of do that together.
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Cody Thompson
And when the pressure's off that you don't have to move the ball forward on any of that.
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Pat Liancione
Yes.
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Cody Thompson
So much of this, you know, the counter argument to this is like, if you're feeling burned out, this is a great thing to do, you know, like the. Because it's oh, man. Burnout, like we talk about so often on this podcast, is not the amount of work all the time. It's the type of work. And so if you can manufacture ways where it's not even work itself, but it's conversations and people that you're around, you can. You can actually fill up your tank a little bit in these conversations. Like, I remember a WI friend of mine, creative dreamer was. You know, part of his angst was he would go camping and he'd bring a journal, and he would journal all these ideas that came to him, and then he would get depressed because he thought, oh, what am I going to do with this? And I was like, you should just burn that page. You know, like, you don't have to do anything with it. The very activity itself of wondering and inventing, divorced from the idea that you need to go do something with whatever you invented is. Is so liberating.
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Pat Liancione
You know, though, I think it's something about sharing it with another person who gets it that would go, those are great ideas.
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Cody Thompson
Even if you never did anything with them, they're great ideas.
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Pat Liancione
Yes. Laura and I share invention and that we have our best times together when we can just pure. We have. We have no restrictions. Like, we're driving for seven hours, and we're just coming up with ideas. And what we recently realized is some of the ideas, many of them have never gotten finished. And we were like, doesn't really bother us that much.
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Cody Thompson
Yeah.
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Pat Liancione
Because the beauty and the fun of just inventing is really worth it.
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Cody Thompson
I think it would be fun to, like, you know, if the listeners of this podcast said, I'm going to go do a play date or, you know, like, do you want to play with my same genius doppelganger, like, another person that shares your geniuses, and then email us and tell us how it went.
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Pat Liancione
You know what we should do? This is an ID thing. I'm not g you, Cody. We should do something where, like, there's literally we create opportunities for people. Like, we're going to sponsor a. And There should be 15 different kinds of these. Anybody who's an IG, for instance, we're going to have a time to log on and talk to 15 other IGs and just go around, talk in the chat about, oh, my gosh, isn't it crazy how when we do this, people get frustrated and we want to do it just to let people do. Like, maybe we should have regular quarterly spa dates for every different type? Cody, get right on that. Okay.
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Cody Thompson
Given I'm going to interpret that as a mental exercise.
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Pat Liancione
Do you know how many emails we're going to get from people that are listening to this? They're going to say, hey, I'll do that.
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Cody Thompson
Well, the practicality of having a bunch of IGs on Zoom is low. They're all going to figure out a way to interject. So it's going to be a blast. I would love to observe that.
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Pat Liancione
You know what's funny, Cody? I bet if every quarter we did a podcast episode hosted by people, like two people with that thing. Only for people that wanted to listen in, that had that. I bet people would do that. I'd listen to an ID podcast just to hear people go, does this happen in your family or at your office too, where you're thinking like this and you forget to tell people how you arrived at your idea, but you think it's gonna work and then they think you haven't heard? You know, I think it would be really cool. Anyway, I have some thoughts I wanna share with you about this. Cause I'm eyeing right now. So anyway, go find somebody with your working genius type and have a spa date.
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Cody Thompson
Love it.
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Pat Liancione
All right, thanks for joining us, everybody. We really appreciate it. Have a great week. We'll talk to you next time on the working genius podcast. God bless you.