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Episode: 11.19.25 – Hunter Baker on the GOP Infighting, Curbing Crime with China’s Tactics, and an Interview with Os Guinness
Date: November 19, 2025
Host: WORLD Radio (Lindsay Mast, Nick Eicher)
Main Guests: Hunter Baker, Os Guinness, Amy Lewis, Carl Trueman

Overview

This episode explores several timely topics in politics and culture, centering on:

• Infighting within the GOP and the dynamics driving it
• The U.S. government’s move to release Epstein-related files
• The use of Chinese surveillance methods for crime control abroad
• An in-depth conversation with Os Guinness on truth, renewal, and hope
• Carl Trueman’s commentary on legal and moral ambiguity in child protection laws

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Epstein Files and Political Fallout

Segment Begins: [06:52]

• Context: The House overwhelmingly voted to release more Department of Justice documents about Jeffrey Epstein. Only Rep. Clay Higgins (R-LA) dissented, citing privacy concerns for victims and witnesses.

• Political Shifts: President Trump previously dismissed the release as a “Democratic hoax,” but recently signaled support, urging Republicans not to block it.

  "I think that he realizes there is no victory available in blocking this thing...when you have a person in Epstein's situation, super high profile...ends up dead, then we are all tremendously suspicious. And to get in the way of finding out is just not good for any politician."
  — Hunter Baker ([07:54])

• Hunter Baker highlights how the contents of the files—such as Larry Summers seeking unsavory advice from Epstein—underscore the scope of potential revelations.

2. GOP Infighting: Trump and Marjorie Taylor Greene

Segment Begins: [09:33]

• Breakdown: Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, after openly pushing for Epstein file releases against Trump's wishes, earned the derogatory nickname “Marjorie Traitorgreen” from him.

• Trump's Perspective: Trump frames Greene’s rift with him as a response to his discouraging her from a Senate run.

• Baker’s Analysis:

  • Greene risks a Trump-backed primary challenge but is in a super-safe Republican district.
  • Past rifts with Trump (e.g., with Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio) have been resolved, suggesting Greene's situation isn't terminal.
  • Baker commends Greene for “political growth and maturity” but urges patience rather than jumping to higher office:

  “She maybe should sit back for a while.”
  — Hunter Baker ([11:56])

3. Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes, and Robert George’s Resignation

Segment Begins: [12:04]

• Catalyst: Tucker Carlson’s interview with white nationalist Nick Fuentes sparked criticism; President Trump defended Carlson’s right to choose interview subjects.

• Institutional Reaction: Robert George, a prominent conservative scholar, resigned from the Heritage Foundation board, objecting to its equivocal handling of the issue.

• Baker’s Insight:

  • The right faces its own struggles with extremism and antisemitism. He references historical splits over these issues (Joe Sobran, Pat Buchanan).
  • The resignation of Robert George is significant given his leadership and integrity.

  "If you want to look at a figure who has been a giant of the pro life movement...the fact that he's resigning from Heritage, there's gonna be continuing conversation."
  — Hunter Baker ([14:41])

• Critique of Robert George:

  • Josh Abatoy critiques George for a “double standard,” noting George’s friendship with Cornel West, who has connections to Louis Farrakhan.
  • Baker respectfully disagrees:

  "...they go places and they talk about civil discourse...I have never heard any of that stray into any kind of publicity for Louis Farrakhan or for antisemitism."
  — Hunter Baker ([16:29])

4. Immigration: Compassion vs. Enforcement

Segment Begins: [16:50]

• Issue: Border Patrol’s mass arrests in Charlotte, NC contrast with Catholic leaders’ calls for compassion for long-term residents.

• Church and State Distinction:

  • Baker argues that the church’s role is to “act as a conscience” for society. While compassion is needed, a functioning border is essential.
  • He advocates for getting border security right first, before working out humane solutions for those already in the country.
  • He supports work visas and tax compliance as part of a rational process.

  "We do have to have some way to deal with it. We do need to know who these people are. They do need to pay taxes...it has to be done. I don't really think that it's avoidable at this point."
  — Hunter Baker ([18:46])

5. International: China’s Surveillance State Abroad

World Tour with Amy Lewis — Solomon Islands
Segment Begins: [21:59]

• Story: Village leaders in Solomon Islands, frustrated with rising crime and lack of police support, invited Chinese police advisors for “community policing” training, including fingerprinting, household registration, and drone surveillance (the 'Fengqiao experience').

• Concerns:

  • Locals express unease about adopting Chinese surveillance tactics, fearing loss of privacy and cultural values.
  • Chinese influence is expanding where the U.S. has reduced presence, leveraging policing needs as a form of soft power.

  "There are certain contexts in which you consent to fingerprinting. But to have one in terms of the context of prevention of crime is definitely unheard of for us here in Solomon Islands."
  — Peter Canaria Jr. ([24:49])

  "We have the laws but it's the enforcement that is the problem."
  — Dorothy Wickham ([26:32])

  • Community members see the appeal of strict order but fear excessive state control.

6. Interview: Os Guinness on Truth, Renewal, and Hope

Segment Begins: [28:19]

• Crisis of Truth: Os Guinness warns of two consequences when truth is lost: increased vulnerability to deception and the rise of raw power as a substitute.

  "If you don't have truth, you're open to deception and lies. But two, if you don't have truth, you will move by power...Do you want a name for my world? He [Nietzsche] said, 'This world is the will to power and nothing else besides.'"
  — Os Guinness ([28:58])

• America’s Founding Principles: Guinness laments that few Christians can articulate the American experiment’s “covenantal” biblical roots, not just Greco-Roman democracy, and stresses the need to reclaim these principles for civic renewal.

  "Most of Europe followed the Greek and Roman ways...But the American experiment grew out of the Reformation and its rediscovery of...the Hebrew Republic, Exodus and Deuteronomy."
  — Os Guinness ([30:12])

• Decline and Hope of Renewal:

  • Contrasts secular predestination (“determinism”) with the biblical promise of exile followed by return upon repentance, citing biblical stories and historic awakenings.

  "If you return to me, says the Lord, I will return to you and restore your fortunes..." ([32:37])

  • Memorable line from Chesterton:

  "Six times he said, the church has gone to the dogs, but in each case it was the dog that died."
  — Os Guinness ([33:24])

• Advice for Weary Christians:

  • Politics is important but must not be ultimate; real change arises from family, church, community life, and living the Gospel.

  "The first thing to say about politics is that politics is not the first thing...if those [churches, families, schools] are flourishing, freedom will flourish. And they're much more important than politics."
  — Os Guinness ([34:41])

7. Commentary: Carl Trueman on Child Protection Law Ambiguity

Segment Begins: [36:30]

• Canadian Supreme Court Ruling: Declared mandatory prison sentences for child pornography unconstitutional, favoring judicial discretion.

• Dangers: Trueman warns that legal ambiguity blurs distinctions between minor teen offenses and predatory acts, creating loopholes for severe abuse.

• Cultural Critique:

  • The trivialization of child exploitation and normalization of sexual immorality in Western culture pose long-term dangers.
  • AI-generated child pornography intensifies the moral and legal quandary.

  “Have we not already surrendered the moral imagination of our culture to the normalization of sexual evil?...The arguments made by the Canadian Supreme Court...will ultimately serve the wicked and make the weak, in this case children, even weaker.”
  — Carl Trueman ([41:07])

Notable Quotes

• “When you have a person in Epstein's situation...should be protected, should be watched, ends up dead, then we are all tremendously suspicious.”
  — Hunter Baker ([07:54])

• “She maybe should sit back for a while.”
  — Hunter Baker on Marjorie Taylor Greene ([11:56])

• “The first thing to say about politics is that politics is not the first thing.”
  — Os Guinness ([34:41])

• “Six times he said, the church has gone to the dogs, but in each case it was the dog that died.”
  — Os Guinness quoting Chesterton ([33:24])

• “The arguments made by the Canadian Supreme Court...will ultimately serve the wicked and make the weak, in this case children, even weaker.”
  — Carl Trueman ([41:07])

Timestamps for Key Segments

• [06:52] — Hunter Baker: Epstein files and Trump’s shift
• [09:33] — GOP Infighting: Trump & Marjorie Taylor Greene
• [12:04] — Conservative Rationalizations and Robert George’s Resignation
• [16:50] — Immigration: Compassion vs. Enforcement
• [21:59] — World Tour: Chinese Surveillance in Solomon Islands
• [28:19] — Interview with Os Guinness
• [36:30] — Carl Trueman on Legal/Judicial Ambiguity

Tone & Style

• Thoughtful, analytical, and direct—reflective of the careful, biblically informed reporting of WORLD Radio.
• Quotations retain the speakers’ original phrasing and nuance; challenging topics are handled soberly, without sensationalism.

Conclusion

This episode delivers a nuanced look at the intersections of politics, policy, and cultural transformation, urging vigilance, moral courage, and hopeful resilience. Whether unpacking legislative drama, international influence, or civilizational questions of truth, the conversation remains rooted in faith and rigorous analysis.