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The World and Everything In It
6.6.25 The need for moral clarity, Ronnie Martin’s new album, and a look back at a year of stories
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Myrna Brown
Good morning. Today on Culture Friday, the rise in antisemitism, a surprising abortion commentary from a leading Christian theologian and fidelity month. Is it gaining some ground on pride?
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Nick Iker
John Stonestreet is standing by. Also today, a new album from Ronnie Martin, a synth pop artist turned pastor drawing inspiration from the Psalms.
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John Stonestreet
It's when the psalmist writes about the Lord removing things from that needed to be removed so that his eyes would be reshifted back to the Lord.
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Nick Iker
And later, ask the editor a look back at a year's worth of podcast adventures and the faithfulness behind every story.
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Myrna Brown
It's Friday, June 6th. This is the World and everything in it from listener supported World Radio. I'm Myrna Brown.
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Nick Iker
And I'm Nick Iker. Good morning.
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Myrna Brown
Up next, Kent Covington with today's news.
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Kent Covington
In the Oval Office. On Thursday, President Trump told reporters that trade talks with China will resume in the days ahead. The president struck a positive tone after his first phone call with Chinese leader Xi Jinping since returning to the White House.
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Ronnie Martin
We had a very good talk and.
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Arsenio Orteza
We'Ve straightened out any complexity.
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Ronnie Martin
It's very complex stuff and we straighten.
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Kent Covington
It out, he said. Top US Trade officials will be meeting with their Chinese counterparts very soon. U.S. negotiators hope to break an impasse over tariffs and global supplies of rare earth minerals. President Trump in the Oval Office also responded to criticism from Elon Musk, who just days earlier exited as the head of Trump's Department of Government Efficiency. Musk in recent days grew louder and more pointed in his criticism of a Republican budget bill backed by the president, calling it a big spending, disgusting abomination. Trump told reporters, I've always liked Elon.
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Arsenio Orteza
And it's always very surprised, but I'm very disappointed in Elon.
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Benjamin Eicher
I've helped Elon a lot.
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Kent Covington
Trump also suggested that Musk, the CEO of Tesla, was upset about losing federal electric vehicle subsidies. A war of words later exploded on social media with Trump threatening to cancel federal contracts with Musk's companies, including SpaceX and Tesla. Musk retaliated by announcing plans to decommission SpaceX's Dragon spacecraft, which plays a crucial role in NASA's missions to the International Space Station. The Supreme Court issued several unanimous decisions on Thursday. World's Benjamin Eicher has details.
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Paul Butler
In one of the rulings, the court effectively said that so called reverse discrimination in the workplace is just as wrong as other forms of discrimination. The justices ruled that under Title vii, all individuals, regardless of social minority status, are entitled to equal protection. That stemmed from a case in which a heterosexual woman said that she was passed over for promotions in favor of homosexual candidates. In another case, all nine justices agreed that Mexico can't hold US Gun manufacturers liable for violent crimes committed with American made guns. And separately, the court also ruled unanimously that Wisconsin violated the First Amendment by denying a religious non profit tax exempt status that based on the perceived secular nature of its services. For World I'm Benjamin Eicher, the man.
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Kent Covington
Accused of carrying out a terrorist attack in Colorado on Sunday has been formally charged with 118 criminal counts. Egyptian national Mohamed Sabri Solomon is accused of attacking a group that had gathered to call for the release of Israeli hostages in Gaza. Boulder County District Attorney Michael Daugherty the.
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Benjamin Eicher
Defendants charged with attempted murder in the first degree. As to 14 different victims, each one of those counts carries the same sentence of 16 to 48 years.
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Kent Covington
Authorities say Solomon threw Molotov cocktails injuring 15 people and yelled free Palestine during the attack. Police arrested him at the scene. Solomon has also been charged with a hate crime in federal court. And Trump administration officials again pointed to that attack in Boulder. And discussing President Trump's new travel ban, the president this week signed an order halting travel to the US From a dozen different countries that the administration deems high risk, effective Monday. State Department spokeswoman Tammy Bruce what of.
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Ronnie Martin
Course, Colorado showed us was the vital.
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Nick Iker
Importance of this action, the fact that.
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Ronnie Martin
The president has been right from the start.
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Nick Iker
It is another example of why this has to be done.
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Kent Covington
The ban lists nine countries located in the Middle east or Africa, as well as Myanmar, Afghanistan and Haiti. Trump also ordered partial travel restrictions for another seven countries. Multiple legal challenges to that order are already in the works. Explosions as Israel's military struck several sites in southern Beirut yesterday. Israel says it was targeting underground facilities where the Lebanese terror group Hezbollah built drones. Meantime, tragic news out of Gaza. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announcing that Israel's military recovered the bodies of two Israeli Americans who had been captured by hamas during the October 7 attacks. They were identified as Gad Haggai and his wife, Judah Weinstein. I'm Kent Covington. And straight ahead, Culture Friday with John Stonestreet. Plus, a voice from the past returns with a new recording project. This is the WORLD and Everything in.
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Myrna Brown
It'S Friday, the 6th of June. Glad to have you along for today's edition of THE WORLD and Everything In It. Good morning. I'm Myrna Brown.
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Nick Iker
And I'm Nick Iger. It's CULTURE Friday. John Stonestreet joins us now. John, of course, president of the Colson center and host of the Breakpoint podcast. Good morning to you, John.
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Ronnie Martin
Good morning.
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Nick Iker
Well, John, I'd like to begin with some deeply troubling news. In just the past couple of weeks, two Israeli embassy staffers were shot and killed outside a Jewish museum in Washington, D.C. and then in Colorado, a man attacked a peaceful demonstration to remember the Israelis and the Americans, still held by Hamas. The suspect allegedly using Molotov cocktails and a makeshift flamethrower, all the while shouting pro Palestinian slogans. And of course, we have to add the disclaimer here, allegedly. But regardless, and without pronouncing guilt on the alleged attackers, these are horrifying acts of antisemitic violence. What's also concerning, though, is how anti Semitic rhetoric is tolerated and even justified in certain corners of the culture. John, what do you think is going on here, and how should Christians think clearly about it?
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Ronnie Martin
There is an absolute rise of anti Semitism in America, and we are in a cultural moment where for 18 months, explicit acts of violence against the Jews have been called for and have been tolerated and even encouraged in the name of free speech and quote, unquote, protest. And here you have a man who, having now been caught, who committed these heinous attacks in Boulder, had been planning this for a year, wanted to wait until his daughter graduated from high school, attempted to buy a gun, but couldn't, broke immigration law, and said he would do it again if he could after he was caught. After studying how to make these firebombs on the Internet. What this reveals is just how deep the critical theory mood has gotten in America. And the number one message we've heard is that the big fear here is that there will be reprisals against Muslims. Now, I, I don't think there should be any reprisals against everyday Muslims. People are responsible for their own actions. But you know who should actually be fearful right now are Jews in America. And many of them are. And many of them have taken extended steps per, for example, the Jewish students at Columbia. Look, ideas have consequences and bad ideas have victims. I think we should be absolutely alarmed, not just by these events, which are alarming enough, but at the reaction that we're seeing by so many people that have so much power and over media, for example, over universities, over political jurisdictions, municipalities. I'm grateful that even though the Boulder authorities were really hesitant to call this terrorism, that the Trump administration was really quick to call it terrorism. And it is a big deal.
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Nick Iker
Right. Well, John, let's switch gears here and talk about N.T. wright. N.T. wright is one of the world's most well known New Testament scholars. He has a long record of teaching and writing in the church. But in a recent episode, it was this week a recent episode of his Ask Anything podcast. A listener sent in a question and Wright's response. Well, let's just have a listen to about a minute of his discussion here on the issue of abortion.
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It's very difficult, it's very hard for a man to talk about this. And indeed, one of the problems has been, particularly in the Roman Catholic Church, when women particularly, say a girl who's been raped or who's had incest committed on her, then discovering that unmarried men from the Catholic hierarchy are telling her what she can and can't do. You know, as people now say, the optics of that are pretty bad. That's part of the same system of male bullying which we have to avoid like the plague. However, having said that, I do think that that sense of respect for God's creation in all its rich variety is the primary starting point. Even if we then have to say with sorrow and a certain sen of this is the least worst option in this situation, that there may be some cases of exceptions.
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Nick Iker
Well, John, the entirety of the answer was about seven minutes. And the host who read the question and framed this up really, I think, muddled the whole thing. But I'll put up a link to the YouTube version. Anyone can go listen for himself. John, I know you've heard the whole thing. What kind of confusion does this sort of thing cause among Christian pro lifers?
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Ronnie Martin
Yeah, I think what N.T. wright said about abortion was dramatically wrong, and that is coming from someone who has found him incredibly helpful. But what is it that we can learn from this? I think really a couple things. Number one, we may be tired of hearing about the abortion issue and we may find it really repetitive because we're in this over and over again. What is clear is that we need to continue to say this over and over and over again. Because not only was nt Wright's answer just wrong about abortion and not reflective of the historic Christian position or what the contemporary Christian position should be, but it was also full of all the kind of tropes. You know, as a man, I can't really speak about this. And you know, if the baby's going to really suffer, then it's better to kill it. And if someone feels really strongly and hurt and harmed by this, then we should be really quiet on this. And none of it gets to the heart of the issue. It was really clear that he's either unfamiliar with the basic case against Abortion or he doesn't care about them and he thinks he can ignore them. The second thing that I think is a real problem. And it's a problem, I guess, because of our social media age. You know, James talks really clearly about a teacher is held to a higher standard if you're constantly teaching and never stopping because of the social media aspect of this. I think we need to rethink this. It is really, really hard for someone to talk about everything in the social media influencer age and not end up wrong about a lot and narcissistic. On the other hand, we aren't experts on everything. But that medium. That platforming, that podcast makes us have to speak about everything. And we don't have to speak about everything. We shouldn't speak about everything.
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Nick Iker
Yeah. And I was just about to ask John, you know, my car does this funny thing, and I wondered if you.
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Ronnie Martin
The Christian worldview of how to fix a Honda Accord.
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Nick Iker
Yeah, you know, but actually. Yeah, and. But I was edging toward a serious point there. Do you think it's possible we're making too much of this? I mean, it got a lot of traction on social media, but is this just a tempest in a teapot?
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Ronnie Martin
Well, you know, that's a great question. I think his podcast is well respected and rightly so. And just because someone was a reliable teacher doesn't mean that they always are. But also, if somebody's wrong on something, doesn't mean they're wrong on everything in the past that was clearly right. I mean, I think about, for example, the New Testament scholar Richard Hayes most articulate, clear understanding of New Testament ethics having to do with sexuality. And then near the end of his life here, changes his mind, I think, of somebody like Stanley Hauerwass, brilliant and helpful in so many areas, but not always right on everything. Eugene Peterson. So in one sense, it is a big deal because N.T. wright is a prominent, probably the most prominent theologian on the planet right now. But I think you take the expertise of theologian and then add in the social media component and, you know, things get inconsistent at the very least, I guess.
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Myrna Brown
Well, we're one week into June, and at least in a few places, it seems like something's changing. Fidelity Month seems to be gaining traction. Some big retailers have scaled back their Pride Month displays, and there's encouraging clarity coming from places like the Identity Project, which I know the Colson center is heavily involved in. So, John, it really does seem the tide may be turning, but, you know, there are contrary signs, too. What do you say? I mean, do you think we're seeing early signs of a cultural course correction?
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Ronnie Martin
Well, I guess maybe I'm a little more optimistic. I'm not sure that we're not seeing a momentum in the other direction. I think we absolutely are. It's going to take more than just seeing the lasting and permanent harm that the T part of the acronym of Pride Month has brought. For example, same sex marriage is still highly embedded and homosexuality has been normalized at a level that's still bad for children and bad for people and infiltrated in the conservative and even Christian movements. And that's going to have to be uprooted and cast out and it's going to be hard and painful and people are going to be really mad and that sort of thing. So that's what the next couple years look like for us. But I do really appreciate the fact that we have resources now that can help us be articulate, that can help us champion things that are better. And you mentioned two resources. I think the Identity Project is a great one. And I also want to give a shout out to Fidelity Month. I am all in on Fidelity Month. I mean, think about it. Instead of celebrating a vice and even instead of condemning the celebration of a vice like Pride, let's hold up the virtue of fidelity. Let's hold up the beauty of living in faithfulness to others instead of just being selfish and narcissistic. Right? I mean, you literally and Pride are celebrating narcissism. You're celebrating basically expecting the entire world to revolve around whatever you want as opposed to taking the things that matter the most that are outside of you that you owe a allegiance to and standing strong on what those responsibilities are. I'm really bullish on Fidelity Month and I'd say go to fidelitymonth.com and join in. Put that on your social media. In other words, don't just not participate in Pride. Let's promote something good.
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Myrna Brown
All right. John Stonestreet is the president of the Colson center and host of the Breakpoint Podcast. Thank you, John.
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Ronnie Martin
Thank you both. Additional support comes from the Mission Focused Men for Christ podcast this month, Fathers Helping Sons embrace Biblical manhood. Mission Focused Men for Christ on all podcast apps from Rich Haven Camp and Retreat centers in Brevard, North Carolina and Cono, Iowa camp and year round retreat registrations@ridgehaven.org and from evangelism Explosion International helping believers share the good news of Jesus with the world. Evangelismexplosion.org.
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Nick Iker
Today is Friday, June 6th. Thank you for turning to World Radio to Help start your day. Good morning, I'm Nick Icker.
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Myrna Brown
And I'm Myrna Brown. Coming next on the World and everything in it, a master of the sense of synthesizer, a master of divinity, and a new album based on the Psalms.
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Nick Iker
Ronnie Martin is back with a project titled Consume Like a Moth. What is Dear? It's part Theology, part 1980s Electronic Nostalgia. And as world's music critic Arsenio Ortezza tells it, that combo makes perfect sense.
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Arsenio Orteza
Ronnie Martin has been a multifaceted contributor to the independent Christian music scene for over 30 years now. In 1994, his and his brother Jason's alternative Christian band Dancehouse Children had recently called it quits. Ronnie Martin signed with Tooth and Nail Records, the edgy independent Christian label that introduced acts such as MCPX, thousand foot crutch, Under Oath and Cutlass to the World. But even by Tooth and Nails envelope pushing standards, Martin was strikingly different. He called his solo act Joy Electric. Martin embraced the electronic sound world of analog synthesizers with both arms and wrote from a position of vulnerability in which religious cliches were nowhere to be found. That's Melody's third track, Candy Cane Carriage. And in the years that followed, there would be plenty of other songs where that one came out. In 2012, after Martin had released 14 albums and 11 EPs, he retired the Joy Electric name. That's when Martin experienced a call to non musical forms of ministry. His peers affirmed his ministerial gifts and he realized that he had a desire for what they were affirming. Prayer and introspection followed and he was ordained in the Evangelical Free Church of America. In addition to pastoring, he became a church planter and the author or co author of books with titles such as Pastoring Small Towns, Help and Hope for those Ministering in Smaller Places, and the bridezilla of what to Do When God's People Hurt God's people. Then in 2021, Martin began making music again, this time under his own name.
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Nick Iker
Through the wind of male voice back.
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Myrna Brown
Into Carry us you extend A silver.
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Arsenio Orteza
That'S from the womb of the morning the dew of youf youth will be yours. A quotation, incidentally, taken directly from Psalm 110:3 in the English Standard Version. It's also the title cut of Martin's first album as Ronnie Martin. Other than the prominent program drums, it found Martin picking up where he'd left off. As Martin told me recently, by the way, those drums were no accident from the Womb.
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John Stonestreet
I wanted to do a record that kind of captured sort of those records from the early to mid-80s where they used a lot of these really big over pronounced drum sounds. And I had never done that, so I really wanted to try that and do that and I did it.
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Arsenio Orteza
Now Martin has released a new album, Consume like a moth what is dear like from the womb of the morning. Its title comes from the Psalms. Unlike from the womb of the morning 80s drums are nowhere to be heard. The new album finds Martin continuing to base songs on the Psalms. The title cut comes from Psalm 39:11. When you discipline a man with rebukes for sin, you consume like a moth what is dear to him. Surely all mankind is a mere breath. Martin says that the album is something of a travelogue, detailing his journey through relational rough times during and after Covid.
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John Stonestreet
It's really a psalm about. It's when the psalmist writes about the Lord removing things from him that needed to be removed so that his eyes would be reshifted back to the Lord. He would remember where his strength comes from. And just sort of the way that the Lord deals with us very kindly in that way, but also it very much kind of wakes us up. It brings us to some dark places.
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Arsenio Orteza
The new album harkens back to Martin's early goals of making all of his music sounds with analog synthesizers. I asked Martin about his heroes in that field. He said that they include such usual suspects as Keith Emerson, Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream. Then I also asked him about after the fire, the late 70s, early 80s major label British band made up of Christians and whose music prominently featured synthesizers.
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John Stonestreet
So it's funny you say that because I don't mention them a lot, but I would say after the Fire, especially the kind of the greatest Hipster Commissar album, probably my top five favorite albums of all time. Massive influence. I think for people that are familiar with the music, you're going to hear a lot of. One rule for you. I basically say all I've been doing my whole career is writing Love will always make you cry, carry me home, and one rule for you. Every song I write, I'm just trying to write one of those three songs.
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Nick Iker
Wow.
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John Stonestreet
That's it. That's it right there.
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Arsenio Orteza
Martin integrates after the Fire's influence into his own sound. Well, but sometimes, if you know what to listen for, you can make that influence out. Like in this song from Consume like a moth, what is Deer Optics Black.
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Ronnie Martin
And cold Dog like seething heart.
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Arsenio Orteza
That's Flee like a bird to your mountain. And after the Fire should be proud of having inspired. Doesn't sound much like Love will always make you cry or one rule for you. Carry me home, however, is a different matter. I'm Arsenio ORTEZA.
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Nick Iker
It's Friday, June 6th. Good morning. This is the World and everything in it from Listener supported World Radio. I'm Nick Iger.
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Myrna Brown
And I'm Myrna Brown. A year of stories, a journal full of moments and a few minutes now to remember what God has done. Here's what World Radio executive Paul Butler with Ask the Editor for the month of June.
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Benjamin Eicher
I sat down this week with the program Journal for the World and Everything in it, intending just to scan it. Instead, I ended up staying in it for hours. It's a pretty simple document, really. It's a running list of the stories we've reported over the past year. But reading through it, I felt overwhelmed and compelled to stop and thank God for his faithfulness to us in letting us tell stories of courage and perseverance and grace, and in giving us a team of reporters, producers, editors and technicians who make the world and everything in it possible each day. With the use of sound and strong storytelling, we've been able to walk you through some moments of deep suffering. Israeli families waiting for hostages.
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Ronnie Martin
I'm just going to be big and big and big until they bring Keith home.
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Benjamin Eicher
A candlelight prayer vigil for victims of a church shooting in Wisconsin.
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Ronnie Martin
But God never called us to walk out our faith alone. So here we are tonight, and we need each other.
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Benjamin Eicher
We talked with flood victims helping one another. So many people with excavators, skid steers, tractors rebuilding their own roadways. We listened as brave men and women battled wildfires and picked through the rubble out west. We also took you to the crossroads of global crisis. You understand that God always with you in any place where we met Russian, Ukrainian and Afghan refugees, we heard from believers who serve and advocate for them. We visited the site of the Pennsylvania rally where a gunman attempted to assassinate President Trump.
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Ronnie Martin
People around the world know where Butler, Pennsylvania is now, and for all the wrong reasons.
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Benjamin Eicher
But we also found hope in unexpected places like lending libraries committed to truth and beauty, where the story remains about great books, not the cultural confusion. We've been all around the world together.
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Ronnie Martin
We believe that education is a lot more than math.
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Benjamin Eicher
To Brazil, where parents teach their children under the radar building.
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Ronnie Martin
I'm a human being right to Syria.
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Benjamin Eicher
Alongside rangers and aid workers.
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Ronnie Martin
This is what I wore through Mosul. I have the exact same version now.
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Benjamin Eicher
Our reporters brought back stories from Canada, Rwanda, Ukraine, Germany, Switzerland, Mexico, Australia, New Zealand and many more. We've followed the levers of power.
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Arsenio Orteza
We finally beat Medicare.
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Benjamin Eicher
From presidential debates to state funerals, from legal arguments to heated congressional hearings, with our bureau next to the Supreme Court and across the street from the Capitol, we've been able to catch up with everyday Americans concerned about our country. No one has the right to consent for kids to be sterilized. And with lawmakers making decisions that affect us all. And we've met some unforgettable people. Like an asteroid hunter. I used to make fun of people who were looking for asteroids. To be very honest, a team listening to life beneath the soil. Something like 75% of the world's soils at the moment are degraded. A mom who reversed an abortion pill decision in a race against time in chemistry.
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Myrna Brown
I broke down and I kind of told her what was happening. And she's like, well, is there anything we can do about it? And I was like, I don't know.
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Benjamin Eicher
We've also talked with detransitioners as they told stories of pain and healing. When I learned a prayer of Christ.
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Ronnie Martin
Join my suffering to yours, that brought me a lot of meaning.
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Benjamin Eicher
Families struggling with infertility and the ethical and spiritual concerns over IVF and families growing through adoption.
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Ronnie Martin
And so he had that compassion on me and allowed me to have my three kids.
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Benjamin Eicher
We met female athletes standing up for fairness in sport and sometimes taking a knee instead of competing with men.
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Myrna Brown
We were told that we were the problems if we opposed this. We were the ones who.
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Benjamin Eicher
Of course, it takes a team to make this happen, and you'll hear their names in a moment. But right now, I want to thank you. In just the last two months, we've served up more than a million program downloads a month and reached a quarter of a million unique listeners regularly each month. Without you, your prayers, your encouragement, your sharing the program with others, your financial support, none of this would be possible. Next week, we begin our June giving drive and prepare our budget for the year ahead. And as we do that, I simply want to say thank you. We're all humbled by your generosity and by your commitment to pray for our work. The list of stories grows every day, and I look forward to sitting down with the program journal next year and seeing once again how God used you to make it all possible. I'm Paul Butler.
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Nick Iker
All right, Paul just said it. It is time now to name the team who helped to make it happen this week. David Bonson. Leo Braceno. Lauren Canterbury. Emma Eicher. Hans Feeney. Travis Kircher. Jenny Lynn Schmidt, Mary Muncie, Onise, Adua Arsenio. Orteza, Mary Reichardt, Elizabeth Russell, John Stonestreet, Cal Thomas and Carl Truman. Thanks also to our breaking news team, Kent Covington, Christina Grube, Steve Klosterman and Lindi Langdon. And thanks to the moonlight maestros, Benj Eicher and Carl Peetz, with assistance from Johnny Franklin. This week, Harrison Waters is Washington producer, Lindsay Mast and Lee Jones standing in as feature editors. Paul Butler is executive producer. Les Sillers is editor in chief. I'm Nick Icar.
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Myrna Brown
And I'm Myrna Brown. The world and everything in it comes to you from World Radio. World's mission is biblically objective journalism that informs, educates and inspires. The Bible says for the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions and to live self controlled, upright and godly lives in the present age, waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession, possession who are zealous for good works. Verses 11 through 14 of Titus, chapter 2. Now, we're not meant to walk the Christian life alone, so here's your weekly reminder. Go to church this weekend. Be encouraged and be an encourager. We need each other. And Lord willing, we'll be right back here with you on Monday. Go now in grace and peace.
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Ronnie Martin
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