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Episode: 9.11.25 – Erick Erickson, a Utah Student, and Megan Basham Remember Charlie Kirk
Date: September 11, 2025
Host: WORLD Radio (Myrna Brown and Mary Reichardt)

Overview

This solemn episode centers on the assassination of prominent conservative activist Charlie Kirk, who was shot and killed on the campus of Utah Valley University. The program covers reactions from political commentators, eyewitness accounts from a Christian student who was present, and a touching tribute from journalist Megan Basham. The episode explores the significance of Kirk’s influence on young conservatives and Christians, reflects on the escalation of political violence, and offers thoughtful discussion on how believers can respond in times of turmoil.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. News Recap: The Assassination of Charlie Kirk

[00:05–06:05]

• Breaking News: Charlie Kirk, 31, a key figure among young conservatives and founder of Turning Point USA, was fatally shot by a suspected sniper at Utah Valley University.
• Official Reactions:
  • Utah Governor Spencer Cox: “A dark day for our state.” [01:04]
  • President Trump ordered flags at half-mast; Kirk’s political influence on college campuses and in the previous election was underscored.
  • Shooter described as using a high-powered rifle from a rooftop; investigation ongoing.
• Context: The incident comes just over a year after an attempted assassination of President Trump, marking a distressing trend of violent political rhetoric and acts.

2. Remembering Charlie Kirk: Insights From Erick Erickson

[06:34–12:23]

Erickson Reflects on Political Violence

• Erickson draws a poignant parallel between 9/11 and the current escalation of unexpected, world-shifting events due to political extremism.

• Quote:
  “Events change things and you don't see the events coming until you're in them. And this feels like a turning point.” [07:26]

• Notes past incidents of political violence, urging listeners to reject both-sides rhetoric and the vilification of political opponents:

  • “Vilifying your opponents who just have a different idea of how to guide the country is wrong.” [07:56]
  • “Maybe now is the time to tamp down the rhetoric, maybe pastime.” [08:22]

Kirk’s Influence and Approach

• First impression: “He’s very tall. That was my first impression.” [08:35]
• Remembers meeting Kirk at a conference when both were emerging conservative commentators.
• Notes Kirk’s impact via social media on Gen Z, emphasizing his advocacy for both conservative values and “devotion to Christ.” [09:02]
• Highlights Kirk’s ability to challenge the left-leaning status quo on campuses, encouraging involvement:
  “You don’t have to be ashamed of getting married. You can devote yourself to Christ.” [09:13]

Kirk’s Evolving Tone

• Acknowledges Kirk’s initial combative style, but credits his maturity and willingness to listen and engage respectfully:
  • “He learned to give dignity to people that he disagreed with.” [09:48]
  • “We should, in this country, settle our disputes over conversation.” [10:10]
  • Kirk’s own recent statement: “We’ve got to be able to continue to disagree and have conversation in this country.” [10:23]

Kirk’s Legacy & The Weight of “Assassination”

• Legacy summarized as: “Getting people engaged, being an advocate for the Lord, and also being willing to have conversations.” [10:31]
• On “assassination”: “He was specifically targeted for violence because of his political views. That is an assassination.” [10:58]
• Calls for bipartisan restraint:
  • “There has to be a unanimous call from left and right to say we can agree to disagree civilly in this country.” [11:53]

3. Eyewitness Account: Utah Student Marco Vladek

[13:25–20:16]

The Day of the Shooting

• Marco, a 20-year-old sophomore, describes crossing campus just minutes before the assassination to go to work.

• He recounts the massive crowd, the atmosphere filled with both excitement and a noticeable lack of security:

  • “There was so many people. The whole auditorium...was filled to the brim.” [13:50]
  • “[I] never saw any security. It was more of just you came in and found a spot to sit and listen. There was no nothing other than that.” [14:09]

• In retrospect, he notes how easy it would have been for someone to bring in a weapon unnoticed. [15:15]

After the Event

• Finds out about the shooting while at work; reflects on how quickly normalcy can be shattered:

  • “You’re just sitting in the Walmart minding your own business and then you hear some guy that you used to listen to all the times is gone.” [16:53]

• Describes Kirk as “a very excellent and well educated speaker who argued using facts and not just feelings.” [17:19]

Reflections on Kirk’s Message and the Aftermath

• The campus was “absolutely slammed” with attendees from both political backgrounds. [17:47]

• Shares the essence of Kirk’s appeal:

  • “He got down to the point and it was very, very, like, refreshing to see someone who wasn’t scared of what the Internet would say.” [18:07]

• Marco’s Christian response to tragedy:

  • “Instead of using the energy that God has given us and the breath that God has given us to feel angry...live how Christ lived when he was killed.”
  • “Know that no matter how fast that killer runs, that God saw what happened. And we will all...be judged on the final day.” [19:20–19:40]

4. A Final Remembrance: Megan Basham

[20:26–23:57]

Charlie Kirk’s Spiritual Growth

• Basham recounts Kirk’s transition from political “spitfire” to someone defined by his biblical faith:

  • “You saw him as a young 18-year-old with $10,000, sort of a political spitfire...But over the years...really faith and biblical wisdom being married to his political outlook.” [20:46–21:11]
  • “He really wanted to encourage Christians to take those values into the public square.” [21:22]

• Characterizes Kirk as believing “in the power of persuasion and believed in the power of ‘come, let us reason together.’” [21:37]

Memorable Moment: Confrontation in National Media

• Audio clip replayed from a recent podcast conversation between Kirk and Basham discussing the selective outcry of pastors over social issues, later spotlighted on CNN:
  • Kirk: “Why is it that pastors were so quick to talk about the drug overdose of George Floyd, but they won't talk about this?” [21:59]
  • Basham: “At that time, there was a desire to curry favor.” [22:05]
• Basham laments the misrepresentation of Kirk’s views in mainstream media and the dangerous consequences for outspoken conservatives:
  • “CNN played a clip...I would say they dishonestly framed Charlie’s point...” [22:19]
  • “He was once again, courageously unafraid to say these things. Even though he knew that it put him in the crosshairs every day.” [22:48]

Personal Fears and Resolve

• Basham admits she now feels concern for her own safety:
  • “You don’t know if that clip angered some person…” [23:08]
• Concludes by expressing faith and perseverance in the spirit of Kirk:
  • “I entrust myself to the same God that Charlie believed in, to the same Christ that he trusted in.” [23:20]

Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• Eric Erickson:

  • “Events change things and you don’t see the events coming until you’re in them. And this feels like a turning point.” [07:26]
  • “Vilifying your opponents who just have a different idea of how to guide the country is wrong.” [07:56]
  • “We should, in this country, settle our disputes over conversation.” [10:10]

• Marco Vladek:

  • “The whole auditorium...was filled to the brim. It was packed, very popular speaker...all young people, all very patriotic.” [13:54]
  • “He was a very, very excellent and well educated speaker who argued using facts and not just feelings.” [17:19]
  • “Live how Christ lived when he was killed and realize that this just affirms what we’ve been taught—and that we need to carry on living like Christ and living in an example, not in anger.” [19:44]

• Megan Basham:

  • “You saw him as a young 18-year-old with $10,000, sort of a political spitfire...But over the years...really faith and biblical wisdom being married to his political outlook.” [20:46]
  • “He was once again, courageously unafraid to say these things—even though he knew that it put him in the crosshairs every day, he still said them because he believed these were the right things to say.” [22:48]
  • “I entrust myself to the same God that Charlie believed in, to the same Christ that he trusted in.” [23:20]

Important Segment Timestamps

| Topic | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------------------|-----------------| | News coverage of Charlie Kirk’s assassination | 00:05–06:05 | | Erick Erickson on consequences and legacy | 06:34–12:23 | | Student eyewitness (Marco Vladek) account | 13:25–20:16 | | Megan Basham’s remembrance and final thoughts | 20:26–23:57 |

Tone & Style

The episode is solemn and contemplative, marked by deep respect for the loss of Charlie Kirk. Speakers maintain a reflective, sometimes urgent, call for de-escalation and unity in public discourse, grounded in Christian values. The tributes and interviews are earnest, personal, and rooted in both conviction and faith.

Conclusion

This episode delivers an in-depth, compassionate exploration of Charlie Kirk’s impact on Christian and conservative communities, the dangerous rise in political violence, and the challenge of living out one’s faith in turbulent times. Through the perspectives of colleagues, eyewitnesses, and a former close collaborator, listeners are given both a portrait of Kirk’s legacy and a call to respond to tragedy with grace, conviction, and dialogue.