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Jenny Ruff
Good morning. Justice Amy Coney Barrett is working to demystify the Supreme Court.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett
So I think when people find out about the court's work, it's usually at the very end of the process. It's usually when you see the headlines saying this is what the court decided.
Nick Eicher
That's ahead on Legal Docket. Also today, the Monday Money beat David Bonson on what terrorists understand about the power of American capital markets and free enterprise and the world history book. The man who modeled the American I.
David Bonson
Would say that no president in American history did not want to be president more than George Washington.
Jenny Ruff
It's Monday, September 15th. This is the world and everything in it from listener supported World Radio. I'm Jenny Ruff.
Nick Eicher
And I'm Nick Icar. Good morning.
Jenny Ruff
Up next, Kent Covington with today's news.
Kent Covington
The man suspected of assassinating conservative activist Charlie Kirk is not cooperating with authorities, but those who know him are providing information to investigators, among them the suspect's romantic partner. That's according to Utah Governor Spencer Cox, who told NBC's Meet the Press.
David Bonson
We do know that the roommate that we had originally talked about, we can confirm that that roommate is a boyfriend who is transitioning from male to female. So we know that.
Kent Covington
But the governor stressed that the roommate knew nothing about the attack and was shocked by the news. Cox added that while authorities are not ready to speak to the motive, the 22 year old suspect is on the left politically. Meantime, many GOP leaders are calling for accountability for those publicly celebrating Kirk's assassination. Senator Katie Britt, if you are out.
Jenny Ruff
There and you are celebrating the political assassination of a man who was exercising.
Emma Eicher
His free speech, you should be held accountable.
Jenny Ruff
You should be fired.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett
And that is the beginning, beginning and the end of it, full stop.
Kent Covington
And some have faced consequences for remarks that their employers found unacceptable. Among them, Matthew Dowd, the now former MSNBC political analyst, fired for remarks surrounding the assassination. Romania is the latest country to report a Russian drone in its airspace. Officials say the Romanian military scrambled F16 jets as a Russian drone was tracked over southeastern Romania for nearly an hour before exiting. Fighter pilots did have permission to shoot it down, but they held their fire over fears of potential damage or injuries on the ground. The incident comes amid a wave of similar airspace intrusions into NATO countries. And NATO's top general, Alexis Grinkowicz said over the weekend that efforts are underway to bolster NATO's defenses on its eastern flank. It will take some time for us to bring everything together with the new contributions that have been coming in and.
David Bonson
We'Ll continue to work on this and refine the design of the operation moving forward.
Kent Covington
NATO is calling the mission to beef up defenses. Eastern Century leaders say it will mark a permanent upgrade. And Republican Congressman Michael McCaul says he worries that Russia's escalations in Eastern Europe could lead to World War three. He talked about recent drone incursions into Poland's airspace in an interview with ABC's this Week.
David Bonson
I think Putin is testing the resolve of NATO. He wants to see how NATO reacts, how Poland reacts. The good news is Poland had a great response. They shot him down.
Kent Covington
The longtime GOP hawk also announced that he would retire from Congress at the end of his term next year. McCaul is one of his party's strongest voices on national defense. He is a former chairman of the Homeland Security and Foreign Relations Committees. Secretary of State Marco Rubio is in Israel wrapping up a two day trip. President Trump dispatched Rubio to Jerusalem to signal ironclad support for Israel. That comes in the wake of surprise airstrikes targeting Hamas officials in Qatar's capital Doha last week that sparked a furious backlash from US Allies in the Persian Gulf. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke to reporters alongside Rubio, Marco Rubio and his wife Janet.
David Bonson
I think his visit here is a testament to the durability, the strength of the Israeli American alliance. It's as strong and as durable as the stones of the Western Wall that we just touched.
Kent Covington
Visiting the Western Wall, Rubio and Netanyahu prayed together and then toured recently excavated historic tunnel space just beneath. A State Department official called it a tradition that began in the first Trump administration, reaffirming America's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's eternal capital. Rubio's visit is a show of support for Israel, but not of Israel's strike in Qatar. President Trump said he was very unhappy about the operation.
Jenny Ruff
Hey, hey with the monkeys.
Kent Covington
Bobby Hart co wrote some of the Monkees biggest hits, has died at the age of 86. Along with Tommy Brice, he was a key part of the Monkees multimedia empire. They wrote the Monkees theme song and the hits Last Train to Clarksville and I'm not yout Stepping Stone. Art also helped write tunes for acts like Little Anthony and the Imperials. I'm Kent Covington. And straight ahead, efforts by Justice Amy Coney Barrett to demystify the Supreme Court. Plus the Monday Money beef. This Is the World and Everything in it.
Nick Eicher
It's Monday, September 15th. Glad to have you along for today's edition of the World and Everything In It. Good morning. I'm Nick Iger.
Jenny Ruff
And I'm Jenny Ruff. Time now for legal docket. Threats against Supreme Court justices are not theoretical. In 2022, a man was arrested outside Justice Brett Kavanaugh's home in an assassination plot.
Nick Eicher
Back in 2020, in a rally on the steps of the Supreme Court, Senator Chuck Schumer had fiery words for Justices Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch.
David Bonson
I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price.
Nick Eicher
Schumer had to walk back those words. Even President Trump has taken repeated swipes at federal judges, prompting Chief Justice John Roberts to publicly defend the independence of the courts.
Jenny Ruff
And now Justice Amy Coney Barrett is telling us what that climate looks like up close. This is from a recent interview with Nora o' Donnell of cbs.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett
When I became the, let's say, not so proud owner of a bulletproof vest, one of my boys saw and said, wow, is that what I think it is? That is so cool. Can I try it on? Thinking this is a parenting moment that I wasn't quite prepared for, I said, sure, go ahead. And he puts it on. And then he looked up at me and he said, wait, why do you have a bulletproof vest?
Nick Eicher
That startling moment gives us the frame for today's legal docket, the danger of our times, and the courage required to serve. From threats outside their homes to rising public rhetoric, the justices work in an environment more volatile than ever.
Jenny Ruff
On Friday, Justice Barrett spoke at her alma mater, the University of Notre Dame, just days after the assassination of Charlie Kirk. She stressed the importance of civil discussion. She said political violence is no way to run a society. Justice Barrett is on a mission to help us listen to one another, even in spirited debates. It's one of the points she makes in her new book, Listening to the Law. At her book tour kickoff at the Lincoln center in New York City about two weeks ago, journalist Bari Weiss asked Barrett whether she thought we were in a constitutional crisis.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett
I mean, I think that our country remains committed to the rule of law. I think we have functioning courts. We would clearly be in one if the rule of law crumbled. But that is not the place where we are. And it is true that it's plainly true that right now we're in a time of passionate disagreement in America. But we have been in times of passionate disagreement before. I mean, we've had times in this country where we have been bitterly divided and we have come out stronger for it. We need to learn to compromise and talk to one another and move forward past our disagreement to see one another as people and as fellow Americans and citizens. And that is the way to avert a constitutional crisis.
Jenny Ruff
Justice Barrett frequently quotes her mentor, the justice she clerked for, the late Antonin Scalia.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett
And Justice Scalia's mantra is mine. He used to say, I attack ideas. I don't attack people. And if you can't distinguish between the two, you gotta get a different day job because you don't belong in a multi member court.
Jenny Ruff
Justice Barrett says she understands that to the public, the work of judging can seem mysterious because so much of it happens outside the public eye. This is from a conversation at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in California last week.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett
So I think when people find out about the court's work, it's usually at the very end of the process. It's usually when you see the headline saying this is what the Court decided, but really the case would have started at the Court anyway, months and months before that. We get about 4,000 of what are called petitions for certiorari every year, and those are requests that the Court take.
Nick Eicher
A case of the 4,000. The court only takes about 60 of them.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett
We don't take cases just because lower courts, we think they might have gotten it wrong.
Nick Eicher
The 60 they do take for full review end up on the merits docket. Usually that's because lower courts in different regions have come to conflicting conclusions on the same federal question, and the justices need to establish a uniform national rule. Justice Barrett has also addressed the hot button topic of the emergency docket.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett
These are cases that are still pending in the lower courts and the court. When we weigh in on that, we're not definitively resolving the question.
Jenny Ruff
So let's hear more about the inside workings of the Supreme Court. Once a case is accepted, the justices dig into the briefs, the relevant cases, and the statutes. Barrett says it's still old school research inside the court, even though outside lawyers are already using AI tools to prepare.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett
I have it on good authority that some lawyers who practice before us have prepared for argument by asking AI well, what questions might Justice Barrett ask in this case? What questions might the chief justice ask in this case? And scarily, apparently, sometimes the AI predictions pan out and those questions actually do get asked.
Jenny Ruff
After arguments, the nine justices huddle and decide the case.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett
When we meet in the conference room, it's only the nine of us. There are no assistants. The door is shut.
Jenny Ruff
The chief justice speaks first, the newest justice last. That order gives senior members more sway, but it also lets those at the end shape their comments to address points of disagree. When they disagree and they do, they stay civil. No raised voices, no dividing the court into left and right.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett
Judges wear black robes. We're not wearing red and blue robes. We don't sit on the bench. On the left and on the right, you know, it's not like Congress.
Jenny Ruff
After the conference, the justices await the Chief Justice's assignment memo naming who will write which opinion.
Nick Eicher
Justice Barrett's book also talks about the endurance of the US Constitution. The average Constitution around the world is replaced every 20 years. So why has ours lasted one is its brevity.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett
It's pretty short, small enough to fit.
Nick Eicher
In a pocket, but written down so our rights are clear. At the same time, it's also bare bones, leaving room for regulations and statutes that are easier to change.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett
So we really kind of keep it to the basics in our Constitution and then we put most of the things into the democratic process of contemporary politics.
Nick Eicher
She does admit a constitutional flaw that preserved slavery, for example. But she says its built in amendment process allows for correction. Over the years, thousands of such corrections have been proposed. Roughly 12,000amendments, but just 27 have been ratified.
Jenny Ruff
In the final section of her book, she addresses her own work.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett
The role of judges were there to interpret the law, to not decide cases with an eye towards political reaction. And I think the way that the Court can conduct itself is to try to assure the American people that what the Court is really doing is law and not politics.
Jenny Ruff
One of the stories Barrett tells is about the Boston Marathon bomber. Barrett personally doesn't believe in the death penalty, but when the case came before the court, she sided with the majority to uphold it because the law compelled that result. She says it can be easy for judges to slant the law toward their own preferences. To keep herself in check, here's her approach.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett
When I'm deciding a case and let's say it's a question of Congress's authority to do X and I don't really like X, you know, to try to make sure that I'm not biased on the constitutional question because of the, the particulars of the policy I will imagine Congress having done. Why something I do like and what I want, you know, what do I think about the constitutional question then? It's kind of a way of checking myself to make sure I'm keeping myself honest.
Jenny Ruff
Much of this comes down to judicial philosophy. Mariel Brookins, who clerked for Barrett when she was on a federal appeals court, explains her old boss's approach.
Mariel Brookins
Barrett is an originalist, originalism says the meaning of the Constitution is knowable and fixed. The meaning is what a member of the public at the time of ratification would have thought that the Constitution meant.
Jenny Ruff
On the other end of the spectrum.
Mariel Brookins
You'Ve got living constitutionalism. And that's this idea that we don't want to be ruled by a dead hand. What the Founders thought should not be that heavy on us today. And the Constitution is vague enough and adaptable enough that it can flex over time with a changing society.
Jenny Ruff
But is there a moral or ethical reason for judges to adhere to originalism versus living constitutionalism, or are they just different visions of how the law ought to work? No right, no wrong. Here's how Brookins begins to think about it.
Mariel Brookins
I would say that for many Christians, on many political topics, the Bible does not just hand us an answer and say, you must go this direction. And I think that is largely true for methods of constitutional interpretation.
Jenny Ruff
And yet, she says, it's helpful to think about why a method makes sense, to work out the principles behind it.
Mariel Brookins
And so a lot of the way that I read the constitutional lines with the way that I read the Bible, where it's got a fixed meaning, we can't do anything that we want to to stretch the text like we should be looking for the truest version of it and not to be kind of stretching and pulling it. And I think that makes a lot of sense in the constitutional interpretation space, especially because we have a branch of government designed to change the text and we have a method for changing the text. And so the goal should be what is the fixed, best meaning of the Constitution. We shouldn't be changing it at the whims of society because it is intended to be a long standing governing document.
Jenny Ruff
For Brookins, Barrett's commitment to originalism mirrors her approach to faith, both of them grounded in fixed meaning. Justice Barrett and her husband Jesse are raising seven kids, making Barrett the first sitting justice with school age children. Her ability to lean fully into all her vocations is why Brookins wanted to work for Barrett.
Mariel Brookins
And I wanted the opportunity to be a practicing lawyer and be a mom. And I was just looking for role models and people who had pulled it off. And I watched how disciplined and how diligent she was with her time through that entire clerkship. And I realized she is so respected because her attention to detail is incredible.
Nick Eicher
That discipline, Brookin says, is courage lived out not just in big moments, but in daily faithfulness. And despite threats and that bulletproof vest, Barrett has never considered walking away.
Jenny Ruff
Has that ever caused you to think.
Emma Eicher
About leaving the court that threatened to.
Jenny Ruff
Your security or your family's security?
Justice Amy Coney Barrett
No. No.
Jenny Ruff
Despite the danger, Justice Barrett remains as committed to public service as she is to her family. And that's this week's legal docker.
Kent Covington
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Jenny Ruff
Coming Up Next on THE WORLD and everything in it, the Monday Money beat.
Nick Eicher
Time now to talk business, markets and the economy with financial analyst and advisor David Bonson. David heads up the wealth management firm the Bonson Group, and he is here now. Good morning to you, David.
David Bonson
Well, good morning, Nick. Good to be with you.
Nick Eicher
Well, David, as we talked about this before we came on the air this morning, the fact that last week a terrible political assassination rightly overshadowed even our 911 remembrances. So I'd like to circle back to that now because I thought you had some really important thoughts on what the hijackers on that day seemed to understand that maybe we don't understand well enough even today. And that is the centrality of the American free enterprise system and the heartbeat of that strength, which, which would be our capital markets. Say more about why you think that's the case.
David Bonson
Yeah. You know, there has been a tradition of talking badly about financial markets, you know, that Wall street is easy to demonize. And I don't just mean the obvious things of bad actors on Wall street who should be demonized. I mean, the existence of our banking system is often presented in a pejorative light throughout American history. And class warfare around this picked up in certain parts of the 20th century and I would argue is a really underappreciated part of what drove the target selection of the 911 jihadists, that their very self conscious disdain for American markets and desire to strike a blow at the symbolism of America's financial markets was behind their selection of the World Trade center in lower Manhattan at the heart of Wall street, the heart of the financial district. And Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who is still at Guantanamo Bay, who was the operational mastermind of 9 11, said so in interrogation. He laid this out very clearly and it was very consistent with things that Osama bin Laden himself had said in advance of 9 11. And then again, after 911 when he released a video to Al Jazeera. My point that I would make is not just a further delve into the evil of what the jihadists did on 9 11, but it's to point out that we have a huge need to defend America's capital markets for the same reason that the enemies of America have a reason to destroy America's capital markets. Okay, these are different sides to a coin here. If you hate America, you want to destroy our financial system that funds entrepreneurialism, that helps transfer capital, that helps grow capital, that gives us an ecosystem to take our ideas. And before you get to execution, you have to have capital. Between our ideation and our execution capital, whether it's venture capital in Silicon Valley, private equity, commercial banking, access to loans, and all of the sophistication that goes around these financial markets, these drive so much of our prosperity, drive so much of our unique exceptional execution in our free enterprise system. Why the jihadists hate it, I understand. Why Americans don't love it more I don't understand, and this is the point I was making in Dividend Cafe that I think is very important for world listeners to understand. Our capital markets are a byproduct of our exceptionalism and you cannot have capitalism without capital markets.
Nick Eicher
Yeah. So would you take it a step further and say that there really is a worldview clash here? This Islamist ideology is really anti capital markets. But the biblical worldview is at the heart of free enterprise. So wouldn't you say that even the economic sophistication that we enjoy today does grow out of a biblical framework?
David Bonson
Well, there's absolutely no question. And that sophistication of those capital markets has obviously evolved a great deal since biblical times. But that we want honest weights and measures and that there is a sense of capital that underlies transactions is a part of the modernized economy. The principles are extremely biblical and they come out of the dignity of the individual. Our desire for an aspirational society, for people to produce goods and services and to do so at scale, to meet more human needs, deliver on more human wants. These are all a necessary byproduct of a creational theology. Where capital fits in in a more contemporary setting is underappreciated. There isn't going to be an elaborate exegesis of convertible debt securities in the book of Leviticus, for example. But the principles that I'm talking about are extremely biblical. And the fact that, just like with medicine, by the way, the Bible doesn't speak to the particulars of complex heart valves, but it does speak to the sanctity of life. Right. And that's what I'm getting at, is we have tools and equipment available to drive human flourishing. And yet, because some people have gotten richer than others, we're demonizing these things because some people are jealous and covetous, which is the tenth commandment itself. We've made a sort of meme out of disdaining Wall Street. That was fine for the jihadists because that's consistent with their worldview. It's not consistent with our worldview, Nick.
Nick Eicher
Well, David, I'm really looking forward to delving more into some of these theological questions tonight in Houston. But before we go this morning, I do want to turn back again to 911 and how quickly the markets recovered even from that, and showed this sort of resilience in the face of tragedy. But looking at today's environment, David, of danger, debt strain and global instability and political division, and, boy, did we get a dose of that last week. Do you see the same resilience built into our markets today?
David Bonson
Well, I mean, it's interesting that a couple of the most dramatic market occurrences we've had even since 9 11, other than the great financial crisis, we've seen even quicker recovery. You think back to the world being shut down. When you and I began doing this podcast together In March of 2020, I came on Moneybeat to talk about the market swooning. Two weeks later, the market had hit its bottom two weeks, and it took a long time for the world to reopen, for the economy to recover. But the markets had bottomed by late March of that same month. The liberation day swoon with the trade war a number of months ago, you know, dropping 5,000 points in four days. And then a recovery. And now sitting here at new market highs, markets have a recovery function that is unbelievable. It's largely driven by what markets themselves are, which are discounting mechanisms, pricing what they believe about the future, not what was in the news yesterday, but what we believe will be in the news a year from now. And that was a lesson out of 911 markets. And it was at an earlier stage in my career. But the reality is people would say on September 12 or September 16 or what have you, people aren't going to fly again. America's way of life is going to change. Markets felt differently. And people do resume their lives. They do go on to produce new things, new solutions, solve other issues that we didn't even know about. It's kind of surreal to think about the fact that when 911 happened and the market was tanking there were other things to deal with. Even before that horrific terror attack in markets, we were still dealing with the hangover of the technology bubble having burst and we went into a minor recession and there were some of those things going on. But Nick, the fact of the matter is we didn't even have the cloud. We didn't have social media, we didn't have the iPhone. Google wasn't even a public company yet. You know, I'm not that old and you know, that's how quickly human progress can happen. God made us really capable co creators with him.
Nick Eicher
All right. David Bonson is founder, managing partner and chief investment officer at the Bonson Group. He writes regularly for World opinions and@dividendcafe.com David, thank you. Safe travels down to Houston. I will try to do the same. And Lord willing, we'll see you tonight.
David Bonson
Looking forward to it, Nick.
Jenny Ruff
Today is Monday, September 15th. Good morning. This is the world and everything in it from from listener supported World Radio, I'm Jenny Ruff.
Nick Eicher
And I'm Nick Eicher. Next up, the world history book. Long before monuments bore his name, George Washington's leadership carved the very office of the presidency into history. World's Emma Eicher reports.
Emma Eicher
On September 17, 1787, George Washington signs his own name to a newly adopted constitution, the first man to do so after months of intense debate. Here's biographer Walter Isaacson in the first American documentary.
David Bonson
There's something very deep about understanding the people who founded our country because they're the ones who imprinted our DNA. They're the ones who said, here are our values.
Emma Eicher
Founding fathers and state delegates fall in line behind him to add their own signatures.
David Bonson
And we've become the greatest republic in the history of the earth. And it's because of the values that.
Nick Eicher
They imparted to us.
Emma Eicher
Washington presides over the Constitutional Convention, drafting a new charter over the course of several months. He hopes this might be his last act of public service. He's tired after seven years of the Revolutionary War and just wants to tend to his farm. Gay Hart Gaines is a former vice regent for the historic site of Washington's home, Mount Vernon.
Mariel Brookins
He didn't want to do it and.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett
They begged him because they knew they.
Mariel Brookins
Needed his gravitas when he entered the.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett
Room, that he was the hero.
Mariel Brookins
And with him in the room, it might happen. And finally he said, I'll do it.
David Bonson
But only if we succeed.
Emma Eicher
When the convention wraps up, Washington prepares to head home. But his friends won't let him go just yet. They ask him to make One more sacrifice to be President of a young United States. Joseph Ellis is a historian specializing in the American Founding.
David Bonson
I would say that no president in American history did not want to be president more than George Washington. He didn't think of the presidency as a capstone to his career. He thought of it as an epilogue. And if he could have gotten out of doing it, he would have.
Emma Eicher
Washington spends the next eight years building a new government from the ground up, literally. It's up to Washington to define what the presidential office should look like and where it should be located. In 1790, Congress gives Washington the power to find a permanent home for the federal government. Maryland and Virginia give land for the eventual capital of the United States. At first it's called Columbia, but in 1791, city officials rename it in George Washington's honor. Jane Hampton Cook is an author and former White House staffer.
Jenny Ruff
The Constitution was vague enough on how the executive should be organized, so Washington put pillars into the building.
Emma Eicher
On September 18, 1793, crowds gather for a parade, complete with two brass bands going from the White House construction site to the Capitol building site. In a ceremony, Washington lays the cornerstone for the Capitol building with an inscribed silver plate underneath. That silver plate has never been found. And 232 years later, the current architect of the Capitol is still looking for it. Washington travels often to oversee construction in D.C. but the buildings are largely unfinished by the time Washington drafts his farewell address on September 17, 1796. It's the end of his second term, and even though citizens beg him for a third, he refuses. HW Brands is an American historian.
David Bonson
Washington could have remained in office as long as he wanted, but by voluntarily stepping down, and this at a time when the Constitution did not require that he said two is enough. And this set a precedent for presidents right down to the 20th century.
Emma Eicher
Washington's presidency is marked by his own principles and spiritual beliefs. He's a lifelong Anglican, but encourages religious tolerance. During his presidency and in his farewell address, he emphasizes the importance of religion. Here's Newt Gingrich, a former American politician and professor of history.
David Bonson
He writes of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity. Religion and morality are indispensable supports.
Emma Eicher
Washington warns against dividing into political parties which would pit Americans against each other. And he discourages partisanship, fearing it would cause a spirit of revenge. In March of 1797, Washington returns to his farm, Mount Vernon. By day he oversees the plantation, and by night he and his wife Martha entertain guests. Washington updates his will by the end of 1799, not knowing that his life will soon be over. One of the most notable provisions is that all his slaves he owned at Mount Vernon will be freed after Martha's death. Edward Langle is an author and military historian.
Kent Covington
He's more important for us in the.
Nick Eicher
21St century as an example than he was perhaps at any time since he was alive.
Emma Eicher
On December 14, Washington unexpectedly passes away from an illness at 67 years old. And to this day, his legacy endures as the founder of the Capitol and then as the father of America.
Kent Covington
I think Americans need him now as.
Nick Eicher
A unifying force of what it means to serve, what it means to sacrifice for the nation.
Emma Eicher
That's this week's world history Book. I'm Emma Eicher.
Nick Eicher
All audio from the documentary the First American, produced by the Gingrich foundation and Peace River Company.
Jenny Ruff
Tomorrow, a call for tech companies to step up and start protecting the vulnerable who use their services. And a midweek film review as Colin Garberino takes a look at Downton, the grand finale. That and more tomorrow. I'm Jenny Ruff.
Nick Eicher
And I'm Nick Eicher. The world and everything in it comes to you from World Radio. World's mission is biblically objective journalism that informs, educates and inspires. Jesus said, I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness. If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. Verses 46 and 47 of John, chapter 12. Go now in grace and peace.
This episode of The World and Everything In It covers three major segments:
Timestamps are provided for each segment and key moments.
(06:04–17:25)
Justice Amy Coney Barrett discusses the heightened threats faced by justices, her personal approach to judicial responsibility, the public's view of the Court, and the role of originalism in constitutional interpretation.
"When I became the, let's say, not so proud owner of a bulletproof vest, one of my boys saw and said, wow, is that what I think it is? That is so cool. Can I try it on?... And then he looked up at me and he said, wait, why do you have a bulletproof vest?"
— Justice Amy Coney Barrett (06:58)
Justice Barrett emphasizes civil dialogue as foundational:
"Political violence is no way to run a society... We need to learn to compromise and talk to one another and move forward past our disagreement to see one another as people and as fellow Americans and citizens. And that is the way to avert a constitutional crisis."
— Justice Amy Coney Barrett (08:13)
She quotes her mentor, Antonin Scalia:
"I attack ideas. I don't attack people. And if you can't distinguish between the two, you gotta get a different day job because you don't belong in a multi member court."
— Antonin Scalia (as quoted by Barrett) (09:03)
"These are cases that are still pending in the lower courts and the court... we're not definitively resolving the question."
— Justice Amy Coney Barrett (10:19)
Conference meetings are private, only attended by the nine justices:
"When we meet in the conference room, it's only the nine of us. There are no assistants. The door is shut."
— Justice Amy Coney Barrett (11:08)
Deliberations are civil; no partisanship in robes or seating:
"Judges wear black robes. We're not wearing red and blue robes. We don't sit on the bench. On the left and on the right, you know, it's not like Congress."
— Justice Amy Coney Barrett (11:33)
"The role of judges were there to interpret the law, to not decide cases with an eye towards political reaction... what the Court is really doing is law and not politics."
— Justice Amy Coney Barrett (12:44)
Originalism: The Constitution’s meaning is fixed, based on the public understanding at ratification time.
"Originalism says the meaning of the Constitution is knowable and fixed."
— Mariel Brookins, former Barrett clerk (14:03)
Living Constitutionalism: The Constitution adapts to changing circumstances; its meaning is flexible:
"We don't want to be ruled by a dead hand. What the Founders thought should not be that heavy on us today. And the Constitution is vague enough and adaptable enough that it can flex over time with a changing society."
— Mariel Brookins (14:20)
Brookins draws a connection between originalist interpretation of law and a plain reading of scripture (15:14).
"No. No."
— Justice Amy Coney Barrett, on whether security concerns made her consider resigning (16:50)
(18:22–27:18)
David Bonson explains the ideological and theological underpinnings of American capital markets, why they are targets for America’s enemies, their foundational role in free enterprise, and their remarkable resilience.
The 9/11 hijackers targeted the World Trade Center as an attack on U.S. financial power:
"The existence of our banking system is often presented in a pejorative light throughout American history... I would argue is a really underappreciated part of what drove the target selection of the 9/11 jihadists."
— David Bonson (19:10)
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Osama bin Laden explicitly linked their hatred of America to the nation’s financial system (19:10).
"If you hate America, you want to destroy our financial system that funds entrepreneurialism, that helps transfer capital, that helps grow capital, that gives us an ecosystem to take our ideas ... Americans don't love it more I don't understand."
— David Bonson (19:10)
There is a direct link between biblical principles (honest weights and measures, dignity of the individual, aspiration) and the philosophical foundations of capitalism:
"The principles are extremely biblical and they come out of the dignity of the individual, our desire for an aspirational society, for people to produce goods and services and to do so at scale..."
— David Bonson (22:28)
Covetousness and class envy are not biblical bases for disdaining market success (23:40).
U.S. capital markets have consistently bounced back quickly after crises—from 9/11 to the Covid pandemic market crash:
"Markets have a recovery function that is unbelievable. It's largely driven by what markets themselves are, which are discounting mechanisms, pricing what they believe about the future, not what was in the news yesterday but what we believe will be in the news a year from now."
— David Bonson (24:45)
Examples include the swift rebound from 2020's market lows and adaptability in the face of major disruption; technological innovation is part of this capacity (26:00).
"God made us really capable co-creators with him."
— David Bonson (26:55)
(27:49–33:34)
A historical reflection on George Washington’s instrumental role in the Constitutional Convention, his reluctant presidency, and the precedents and moral principles that define his enduring legacy.
"There's something very deep about understanding the people who founded our country because they're the ones who imprinted our DNA. They're the ones who said, here are our values."
— Walter Isaacson (28:23)
"He didn't want to do it and they begged him because they knew they needed his gravitas... finally he said, I'll do it, but only if we succeed."
— Gay Hart Gaines (29:06) "No president in American history did not want to be president more than George Washington."
— Joseph Ellis (29:39)
"Washington could have remained in office as long as he wanted, but by voluntarily stepping down... this set a precedent for presidents right down to the 20th century."
— HW Brands (31:28)
Washington highlights the importance of religion in public life:
"Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity. Religion and morality are indispensable supports."
— Newt Gingrich, quoting Washington (32:03)
He warns against factionalism and division, calling for unity (32:12).
"I think Americans need him now as a unifying force of what it means to serve, what it means to sacrifice for the nation."
— Edward Langle (33:14)
This episode weaves together the challenges facing the Supreme Court and the resilience built into American civic and economic life, contextualized through the lens of both current leaders and the foundational example of George Washington. The message: courage, civility, and principled leadership—rooted in faith and respect for enduring institutions—remain essential in times of crisis and change.