9.23.25 A two-state solution, Rosh Hashanah in Israel, and Arsenio Orteza on Nathan Oglesby’s music

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The World and Everything In It

Episode: 9.23.25 A two-state solution, Rosh Hashanah in Israel, and Arsenio Orteza on Nathan Oglesby’s music
Date: September 23, 2025
Host: WORLD Radio (Myrna Brown & Nick Iger)

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Overview

In this episode, The World and Everything In It examines key global and cultural moments: the international debate over recognition of a Palestinian state and the mixed realities of the two-state solution, firsthand reflections and prayers from Jerusalem as Rosh Hashanah begins, analysis of the Jimmy Kimmel suspension case as it relates to free speech and broadcast regulation, and a music interlude exploring the intersection of heartbreak, faith, and art with Classics professor and musician Nathan Oglesby. The episode is threaded through with biblical perspective and broader questions about faith, freedom, and public life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Western Recognition of Palestinian Statehood (06:23–11:06)

• France and the UK recognize a Palestinian state under specific conditions—Hamas must disarm, release hostages, and Israel must implement a ceasefire.
• Australia shifts position, with PM Anthony Albanese calling this “the best chance...to disarm and isolate Hamas and deliver self-determination for the people of Palestine” (07:12).
• The US and Israel boycotted Monday's "two-state summit", maintaining that statehood could only come after reliable security guarantees.
• Richard Goldberg (Foundation for Defense of Democracies) remarks on the political motivations behind recognition and changing European politics:

  “It’s supposed to put some sort of pressure on Israel, reward the Palestinians and, you know, evoke some response that's positive to their own domestic base.” (07:51)

• Goldberg cautions about rewarding Hamas for October 7th and questions whether Palestinians have demonstrated readiness to govern.
• For Palestinian Christians, the move is largely symbolic.
  Farris Abraham (Palestinian Christian):

  “It would mean much more if we get recognized by the global church rather than the global states.” (09:45)
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  “The silence of the same churches and the same leaders is deafening. And to them, it doesn’t seem that Palestinian Christians exist.” (10:18)

• Skepticism about UN neutrality and the likelihood of tangible progress this year.

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2. Rosh Hashanah at the Western Wall – Reporting from Jerusalem (11:06–15:20)

• The beginning of the Jewish New Year is marked by prayers for forgiveness and renewal at the Western Wall.
• Aaron Jaffen:

  “Everybody’s coming close, everybody’s coming begging for forgiveness to God to help them…to get better, man, to get closer. And they want to be closer. They love him.” (11:43)

• Rabbi Shmuli Weiss:

  "Shofar is a ram’s horn. We blow it to waken up our soul…to realize that Hashem is in charge and judging us." (12:14)

• Tensions linger—some like Ohad Damari speak of longing for a rebuilt Temple and for God’s “full glory” to return (12:48).
• Eli Shafranko (IDF soldier):

  "Praying for a good Rosh Hashanah...bringing all the hostages home and keeping everyone safe.” (13:19)

• Many pray for the coming of the Mashiach (Messiah/Redemption):

  "Our Redeemer will come very soon and all the problems in the world will finish..." (13:56)

• Messianic perspective from Revo Raiondo (Estonia): resting in grace through Yeshua (Jesus), rather than law, and hoping for spiritual awakening among Jews (14:33).

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3. Jimmy Kimmel, Free Speech, and the FCC (16:22–24:34)

• Context: Kimmel was suspended after controversial comments; the FCC chair (Brendan Carr) and President Trump urged ABC to act, raising free speech and government overreach questions.
• Michael Farris (National Religious Broadcasters) analyzes the constitutional and business principles involved:

  "The First Amendment only binds the government...now, we have the situation where President Trump and the chairman of the FCC…made comments that were efforts to urge ABC to take action against Jimmy Kimmel. At first blush, this seems to present a problem because both of them are, in fact, government agents." (18:15)

• Farris draws on a recent Supreme Court precedent, argues private employers ultimately control content, though he wishes government would never pressure private speech.
• The “public interest” requirement in broadcast law doesn’t mean every viewpoint must be given equal time:

  “Christian radio and television takes a very strong viewpoint. And the public interest does not require us to provide equal and balanced treatment on everything.” (22:11)

• Final thought: reinstatement of Kimmel underscores market dynamics over government power, and the hope that networks learn not to “alienate half of America every time you talk.” (23:36)

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4. Feature: Professor-Turned-Musician Nathan Oglesby on Heartbreak, Faith, and Art (26:03–32:57)

• Nathan Oglesby, former Classics professor, now musician, discusses his new album “Between Piety and Desire,” a mix of country, folk, theology, and personal heartbreak.
• Oglesby’s faith journey: left and returned to Christianity; recent entrance into Catholicism; currently at Yale Divinity School.
• Loss and longing drive this album:
  • On writing in heartbreak:

    “All of the songs on that album are so unlike anything that I’d done for the past 10 years...They saved me.” (28:12)

  • On pain and faith:

    “I lost the girl, I lost the dough...So far the path is like not leading to milk and honey yet. It was like this desert moment...I was like, I’m totally free. Nothing encumbers me. And...it tasted like ash in my mouth.” (30:31)

• His musical transition tracks a move from “didactic high-IQ hip hop” to folk and country inspired by spiritual crisis.
• Oglesby’s future: seeking to merge teaching, artistry, and faith:

  “It’s also not about the transmission of knowledge being the end in itself, but it’s actually about the care of the other.” (31:52)

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5. Brief: Natural Alternatives to IVF (33:40–37:49)

• Kaitlyn Wall Shelton highlights Restorative Reproductive Medicine (RRM) as an alternative to IVF, appreciated by Christian couples for moral and medical reasons.
• RRM is less expensive, possibly more effective long term, but often snubbed by US medical associations due to the dominant, profitable IVF industry.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Symbolic Recognition (Palestinian Christian perspective):
  “It would mean much more if we get recognized by the global church rather than the global states.”
  — Farris Abraham, 09:45
• On Brokenness and Faith (Oglesby):
  “I lost the girl, I lost the dough. So far the path is not leading to milk and honey yet.”
  — Nathan Oglesby, 30:31
• On Free Speech & Broadcast Law:
  “Christian radio and television takes a very strong viewpoint. And the public interest does not require us to provide equal and balanced treatment on everything.”
  — Michael Farris, 22:11
• On Rosh Hashanah's Hope:
  "I hope that Mashiach will come…”
  — Anonymous Jerusalem worshipper, 13:42

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Segment Timestamps (MM:SS)

• Opening & News – 00:05–06:16
• Palestinian Statehood / Two-State Solution – 06:23–11:06
• Rosh Hashanah at the Western Wall – 11:06–15:20
• Jimmy Kimmel, FCC, Free Speech – 16:22–24:34
• Weather & Autumnal Equinox Brief – 24:58–26:03
• Nathan Oglesby Interview & Album Feature – 26:03–32:57
• IVF & Restorative Reproductive Medicine Commentary – 33:40–37:49

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Tone and Style

Throughout, the episode maintains WORLD Radio’s standard: thoughtful, biblically informed journalism, giving space for diverse voices, careful analysis, and faith-rooted hope amid complexity and heartache.

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This summary provides a structured and detailed overview of the episode, highlighting main themes, major insights, voices, and memorable quotes with timestamped references for easy navigation.

Transcript

[Myrna Brown]

Good morning. Israel's allies recognize a Palestinian state, but is it mere symbolism? And Rosh Hashanah began last night from Jerusalem, prayers for the new year, praying.

[Michael Farris]

For a good Rosh Hashanah, good New Year, bringing all the hostages home and keeping everyone safe.

[Nick Iger]

Also today, late night host Jimmy Kimmel back from suspension. And later a professor turned musician wrestling with heartbreak and faith. His late album takes it all on.

[Nathan Oglesby]

I lost the girl, I lost the doe. And so far the path is not leading to milk and honey.

[Myrna Brown]

It's Tuesday, September 23rd. This is the world and everything in it from listener supported World Radio. I'm Myrna Brown.

[Nick Iger]

And I'm Nick Iger. Good morning.

[Myrna Brown]

Up next, Kent Covington with today's news.

[Kent Covington]

President Trump is in New York this morning where he is set to address world leaders at the UN General Assembly. White House press Secretary Caroline Levitt.

[Michael Farris]

The president will also be hosting bilateral.

[Caroline Levitt]

Meetings with the UN Secretary General and the leaders of Ukraine, Argentina and the European Union.

[Kent Covington]

Trade and the war in Ukraine are likely to be key topics in those meetings. Levitt said the president also has meetings planned with leaders from numerous Middle Eastern countries. The war in Gaza and Palestinian statehood likely to dominate those talks. And at UN Headquarters on Monday, France and Saudi Arabia chaired a high profile meeting to galvanize support for the so called two state solution to the Israeli Palestinian conflict that comes with a growing number of nations saying they will formally recognize a Palestinian state. Palestinian Ambassador to the UN Riyadh Mansour.

[Michael Farris]

This is historic, especially when countries like France, UK and the others recognize the state of Palestine. It's an investment in peace and saving.

[Arsenio Orteza]

The two state solution.

[Kent Covington]

But Israel and the US Argued that recognizing a Palestinian state now would reward terrorist acts by Hamas and others. The White House says President Trump will sign an agreement this week sealing a deal to bring TikTok's US operations under American control. Caroline Levitt says TikTok within the US will be owned by a majority of American investors. And she says Oracle will serve as the security provider for the social media platform. And all US User data will be stored on servers within the United States.

[Caroline Levitt]

Protected from surveillance or interference by foreign adversaries. And the algorithm will be secured, retrained and operated in the United States outside of bytedance's control.

[Kent Covington]

Bytedance is the Chinese company that currently owns TikTok and would still hold a minority stake in the US but no control, no official word yet on a price tag or which companies will form the new ownership group. Any US Company looking to hire and bring a foreign worker into the country must now pay a $100,000 visa application fee per person that After President Trump signed a proclamation on Friday enacting that fee on H1B visas, effective this week, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick explained, no more.

[Nick Iger]

Will these big tech companies or other.

[Nathan Oglesby]

Big companies train foreign workers. If you're going to train somebody, train Americans. Stop bringing in people to take our jobs.

[Kent Covington]

An H1B visa allows US employers to hire foreign workers with specialized skills and a bachelor's degree or equivalent. The White House says the new fee will not impact current visa holders or visa applications submitted prior to this week. The Trump administration is linking the use of Tylenol by pregnant women to a rise in autism. A White House Autism Action Plan points to a review of dozens of studies in suggesting a possible link. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Told reporters the FDA will.

[Nick Iger]

Issue a physician's notice about the risk of acetaminophen during pregnancy and begin the process to initiate a safety label change.

[Kent Covington]

Acetaminophen is the generic name for the drug best known as Tylenol. Many researchers stress that the evidence is mixed, showing correlation but not causation, meaning it does not prove that acetaminophen raises autism risk. Tylenol maker Ken View went a step further on Monday, saying in a statement that acetaminophen is the safest pain reliever for pregnant women. Many evangelicals may be confused about some gospel truths, according to a new survey. World's Benjamin Eicher has more.

[Michael Farris]

Ligonier Ministries questioned well over 600 self.

[Nathan Oglesby]

Identified evangelicals in its 2025 State of.

[Michael Farris]

Theology survey, and the ministry says the.

[Nathan Oglesby]

Results show some misalignments with scripture, especially.

[Michael Farris]

As it pertains to the fallen and.

[Nathan Oglesby]

Sinful nature of man. Over half of those respondents said they believe everyone sins a little, but most.

[Michael Farris]

People are good by nature. More than 60% said they believe everyone.

[Nathan Oglesby]

Is innocent in the eyes of God. Nearly half said they believe that God.

[Michael Farris]

Accepts the worship of all religions. But the vast majority of evangelical respondents agreed that there is one true God.

[Nathan Oglesby]

He is perfect and that only Jesus.

[Michael Farris]

Sacrifice could secure our salvation. Nearly all agreed that the Bible is.

[Nathan Oglesby]

The highest authority for world I'm Benjamin Eicher.

[Kent Covington]

And I'm Kent Covington. Straight ahead. Western countries recognize a Palestinian state plus Jimmy Kimmel, free speech and FCC regulations. This is the World and Everything in it.

[Myrna Brown]

It's Tuesday 23rd September. Glad to have you along for today's edition of the World and Everything in It.

[Nick Iger]

Good morning, I'm Myrna Brown And I'm Nick Eicher. First up today, Palestinian statehood. On Monday, France joined the United Kingdom, Canada and other Western nations. In France formally recognizing a state of Palestine, French President Emmanuel Macron saying his nation would establish an embassy to Palestine, but that there are conditions the embassy will open after Hamas disarms and after it releases hostages and after Israel declares an immediate ceasefire.

[Myrna Brown]

One day earlier, Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese explained his country's change in position.

[Arsenio Orteza]

This is the best chance the world.

[Michael Farris]

Has had in decades to disarm and isolate Hamas and deliver self determination for the people of Palestine.

[Myrna Brown]

Great Britain and others also expect the Palestinian Authority to clean house and hold elections within one year after a ceasefire.

[Nick Iger]

The US and Israel boycotted Monday's two state summit.

[Richard Goldberg]

This is a political statement. It's a political movement.

[Myrna Brown]

Richard Goldberg is a senior advisor for the foundation for Defense of Democracies and former member of the National Security Council staff. He spoke with our Washington producer Harrison Waters.

[Richard Goldberg]

It's supposed to put some sort of pressure on Israel, reward the Palestinians and, you know, evoke some response that's positive to their own domestic base.

[Nick Iger]

For decades, the UK and other Western nations joined the US in supporting the idea of a two state solution, watchful that Palestinian statehood could come only with Israel's security assured. Britain, France and others have long been strategic trade and military allies. But with shifting political winds at home, Goldberg says that support for Israel no longer carries the same weight.

[Richard Goldberg]

I think the significance and the wake up call to us is what has happened to these European governments, the politics inside their bases for these governments, what migration has done to the population and the politics inside some of these European countries, even in Canada.

[Myrna Brown]

Goldberg says that before the idea of a functioning state can go forward, Palestinians need to show they can govern themselves.

[Richard Goldberg]

Nothing has been done to warrant the recognition of a Palestinian state. Certainly it feels like rewarding Hamas for October 7th.

[Myrna Brown]

Still, that's the US position. Last month, the US State Department blocked visas for Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and dozens of other Palestinian officials to travel to New York.

[Richard Goldberg]

And what the Trump administration has said is, first of all, these are not state actors. They're not heads of state. So there's no head of state exception, you know, pursuant to the UN Headquarters treaty that we are supposed to acknowledge and abide by by hosting the United nations in New York, they don't have any right to be here.

[Nick Iger]

So the General assembly voted to invite Abbas to address the UN by video. For Palestinian Christians, the growing number of countries that recognize a state of Palestine is more symbolic than substantive.

[Michael Farris]

It would mean much more if we get recognized by the global church rather than the global states.

[Myrna Brown]

Farris Abraham is a Palestinian Christian from Bethlehem. Living in the U.S. abraham says Palestinian Christians are often overlooked when Western nations consider policies in the region.

[Nick Iger]

Abraham complains that after the hamas attacks on October 7, Christians around the world stood in solidarity with the Jewish people. But not so much for Palestinian Christians caught in the crossfire.

[Michael Farris]

Fast forward two years and the silence of the same churches and the same leaders is deafening. And to them, it doesn't seem that Palestinian Christians exist.

[Myrna Brown]

As diplomats meet in New York, policy expert Richard Goldberg is skeptical of any breakthroughs happening this year.

[Richard Goldberg]

I think we actually also are at a moment where we question the integrity of the UN system right now and its lack of neutrality in a conflict between a member of the United Nations, a democracy in the state of Israel and a terrorist organization.

[Myrna Brown]

FERRIS Abraham says true peace will come from God, and Christians have the opportunity to help.

[Nick Iger]

Coming up next on the World and everything in it, prayers for peace. At sundown last night, Jewish communities around the world began a celebration of Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year in Jerusalem that means prayer and reflection at the Western Wall. World's Travis Kircher was there to hear the voices of those who had gathered.

[Travis Kircher]

Crowds slowly gathered at the Western Wall in Jerusalem Sunday afternoon ahead of the evening's Seleuchot prayers. Prayers for forgiveness. As Aaron Jaffen says, it's the last chance to repent before Rosh Hashanah.

[Michael Farris]

That day, everybody's coming close, everybody's coming begging for forgiveness to God to help them, to help them to get better, man, to get closer. And they want to be closer. They love him.

[Travis Kircher]

Jews believe Rosh Hashanah marks the day Adam was created in the Garden of Eden. And thus is the birthday not just of the Jews, but of the entire human race.

[Michael Farris]

It's a holiday, two day holiday.

[Travis Kircher]

Shmuli Weiss is a rabbi in Jerusalem. He he says Rosh Hashanah is both a celebration of new beginnings and a time of judgment.

[Michael Farris]

It's observed by mainly praying and listening to the blowing the shofar. Shofar is a ram's horn. We blow it to waken up our.

[Nathan Oglesby]

Soul and waken up.

[Michael Farris]

Ourselves to realize.

[Nathan Oglesby]

That Hashem is in charge and judging us.

[Travis Kircher]

Hashem means the name referring to the God of the Old Testament. For some, like Ohad Damari, preparing for Rosh Hashanah is a sobering experience. He says this year, things just don't feel right.

[Richard Goldberg]

I feel that this place is not what it should be right now that we see this wall now and it's not its full glory. And I wish to be there on this day where I could see God's full glory here and fully built the Third Temple.

[Travis Kircher]

Most everyone at the Wall has something they're praying for, even those in the military. Eli Shafranko of an Israeli Defense Forces combat engineering unit sums it up well.

[Michael Farris]

Praying for a good Rosh Hashanah, good New Year, sweet New Year, bringing all the hostages home and keeping everyone safe.

[Travis Kircher]

But there are other prayers too. When I asked several religious Jews what's on their wish list this year, there's one word that kept popping up for Mashiach to come.

[Michael Farris]

I hope that Mashiach will come.

[Travis Kircher]

Or Messiah. While Christians say he's already come, many practicing Jews are still looking.

[Nathan Oglesby]

Our Redeemer will come very soon and all the problems in the world will.

[Michael Farris]

Finish all the wars and all the illness and Hungary and all the problems will disappear and we'll have the redemption.

[Travis Kircher]

But among the worshippers at the wall are also followers of Yeshua Jesus like Revo Raiondo of Estonia. Raiondo says he loves the Jewish people and he's praying more come to know Christ as their Mashiach.

[Michael Farris]

I'm hoping for the awakening, but knowing at the same time that it has like the appointed time of this.

[Travis Kircher]

And so as many are striving to better themselves before for this new year by obeying the rules, Raiondo is resting in grace.

[Michael Farris]

The believers in Yeshua do not need to obey all the Halachah or all the Mosaic law in this way as it's written in the Old Testament, because Yeshua has done it for us already. But if we are in his spirit, in the Holy Spirit, we are obeying it.

[Travis Kircher]

Reporting for World I'm Travis Kercher at the Western Wall in Jerusalem.

[Kent Covington]

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[Nick Iger]

Jimmy Kimmel, the late night TV host, made comments less than two weeks ago that may go down as among the most expensive pieces of free speech to air on network television.

[Travis Kircher]

We hit some new lows over the.

[Michael Farris]

Weekend with the Maga gang desperately trying.

[Travis Kircher]

To characterize this kid who murdered Charlie.

[Michael Farris]

Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to.

[Travis Kircher]

Score political points from it.

[Nick Iger]

The comments drew fire not only from conservative activists, but from Washington. FCC Chairman Brendan Carr called it truly sick conduct and warned ABC it needed to rein in Kimmel or else the audio from the Benny Johnson podcast.

[Michael Farris]

But frankly, when you see stuff like this, I mean, look, we can do.

[Richard Goldberg]

This the easy way or the hard way.

[Michael Farris]

These companies can find ways to change conduct, to take action, frankly, on Kimmel or, you know, there's going to be additional work for the FCC ahead.

[Myrna Brown]

The suspension began after several large network affiliates dropped Kimmel's show. And with the FCC chairman warning that the licenses of ABC affiliates could be the line, the pressure mounted.

[Nick Iger]

Supporters of Kimmel called it government censorship. Critics pointed to a 1927 U.S. law that requires broadcast stations to operate in the public interest. Disney, which owns abc, announced yesterday that after some meaningful conversations with the host, Kimmel will be back starting tonight.

[Myrna Brown]

Joining us now to talk about it is Michael Ferris, general counsel for the National Religious Broadcasters. Good morning, Michael.

[Michael Farris]

It's great to be with you. Thank you so much.

[Myrna Brown]

Thanks for being here. Well, the personalities involved in this story are certainly larger than life, and all the media attention has certainly blown it up. Help us think through what's most important.

[Michael Farris]

The starting point for thinking through these issues is the First Amendment. The First Amendment only binds the government. The government cannot interfere with freedom of speech. Now, it's also important to know that that speech concerning violence is not necessarily protected. But in general terms, ABC or any other employer can decide to hire somebody or fire somebody if they don't like what they're saying. Now, we have the situation where President Trump and the chairman of the fcc, Brendan Carr, both made comments that were efforts to urge ABC to take action against Jimmy Kimmel. And, you know, at first blush, this seems to present a problem because both of them are, in fact, government agents. And should the government be allowed to encourage a private employer to silence somebody because the people operating the government don't like the speech involved? Well, the Supreme Court took up a case in the last cycle about this very issue arose from the Biden administration's meetings it had with Facebook, Twitter, other social media organizations where the Biden administration regularly said, silence this voice. Let this voice be heard. Silence this message. They were clearly pressuring the social media agencies to stop people from speaking. Now, I filed an amicus brief for national religious broadcasters taking the position that it is improper for the government to ever, when we're talking about protected speech, to ever say, silence this voice. Now, Supreme Court didn't agree with Me, they took the position that the Biden White House had in a few instances, violated the First Amendment. In the majority of instances. They were not coercing the people to take action. They were simply, you know, the pressuring them perhaps, but not coercing them. And so what the President did and what Brendan Carr did seems to me to be in line with what the Supreme Court approved. I take a more rigid stand than that, that the government shouldn't do this at all. But the Supreme Court let them get away with it and the Biden administration, I don't see any material difference in this, this circumstance. What was attempted. Obviously it was not effective because ABC hired him back.

[Myrna Brown]

Yeah. So are you surprised by that?

[Michael Farris]

I'm not terribly surprised. I mean, ABC still is a left leaning organization and they were looking bad in certain circles. So I can, I can see why they did it. But if I was Jimmy Kimmel, I'd pay attention to what happened here and realize that he needs to get higher ratings by appealing to a broader section of the audience. I mean, they had a legitimate business reason for getting rid of the guy because he, he was tanking, costing them a lot of money. And I think that, you know, if he has any semblance of common sense, he will take a more balanced view in the way he approaches things.

[Myrna Brown]

Let's look back in time a bit. The communication Acts of 1927 and 1934 introduced language that mandates broadcast stations must broadcast in the public interest. What does that mean and how does it apply to this situation with Jimmy Kimmel?

[Michael Farris]

Well, it certainly means that no one can glorify violence against your political opponents under using a broadcast license. Now, what it shouldn't mean is merely disagreeing with the people who are in charge of the government today. And that should be the rule when my friends are in office and it should be the rule when my opponents are in office. We should stand up for the freedom of speech for everybody.

[Myrna Brown]

So who should make sure networks are doing that?

[Michael Farris]

Well, it's the FCC's job at the end of the day to make sure that that's happened. And you know, they have to have a broadcast in the public interest meaning to that phrase that's consistent with the First Amendment. And so if they're imbalanced, that by itself is not to me grounds for silencing somebody, because if it is, then Christian radio and television can be in real trouble because we don't have the local atheists coming in offer his viewpoint on this and that, or the local Buddhist or somebody else. Christian radio and television takes a very strong viewpoint. And the public interest does not require us to provide equal and balanced treatment on everything we talk about. That simply is not something that should be tolerated. And the government's ability to regulate you should be along the lines of protected speech. An occasional mistake. I mean, what Jimmy Kimmel said about the political views of the shooter in Utah is just flatly wrong. And he knew it was wrong. He was trying to make a political point. And, you know, that's, that's something that should raise some eyebrows. But I, I would think it's constitutionally questionable if that was the only thing, to use that as a grounds for action against a licensee.

[Myrna Brown]

With Disney reinstating Jimmy Kimmel, how might this whole situation affect public discourse in our country?

[Michael Farris]

Well, I think that the fact that he's been reinstated does emphasize the fact that private employers make their own decisions about this issue. Disney and ABC are big boys. And if the government was pressuring them, they're not going to give in unless they want to. And so I think that we've driven home the independence of private actors, and that's okay. I think we also hope that we drive home the point, not as in the governmental sphere, but in the business sphere. I hope that ABC and Disney get the point. You shouldn't alienate half of America every time you talk. And I hope Jimmy Kimmel learns that lesson and returns more to the kind of late night entertainment that Johnny Carson gave us and Jay Leno gave us that, you know, they touched on political things once in a while, but it wasn't a steady diet of one side. That's just not good business.

[Myrna Brown]

Michael Farris is general counsel for the National Religious Broadcasters. Thank you, Michael, for joining us.

[Arsenio Orteza]

Thank you.

[Kent Covington]

Summertime says goodbye to us. Pretty crazy cool weather.

[Michael Farris]

Feeling like fall.

[Kent Covington]

Man, did it feel like a very fine fall day.

[Nick Iger]

Man, it's time to pack the pool floaties and break out the pumpkin spice. Summer's eviction notice took effect yesterday at 2:19 Eastern, the autumnal equinox. That moment when the sun is directly over the equator, so neither hemisphere gets the tilt advantage. Now, the animal world doesn't need weathermen. Squirrels know to stock up, monarchs to fly south, bears to binge berries and tank up for the long winter's nap. Just think, the heavens keep time better than any smartwatch. It's the world and everything in it. Today is Tuesday, September 23rd. Thank you for turning to World Radio to help start your day. Good morning, I'm Nick Iger.

[Myrna Brown]

And I'm Myrna Brown. Coming next on the World and everything in it. A classics professor with a doctorate in philosophy and a gift for hip hop, Nathan Oglesby manages to blend heartbreak, theology and rap beats into one unusual career.

[Nick Iger]

World music critic Arsenio Ortezza now on Oglesby's latest album, titled Between Piety and.

[Arsenio Orteza]

Desire, Nathan Oglesby may be the only professor of Classics with 11,000 subscribers on YouTube and 27,000 followers on Instagra. By the time he earned his PhD from the City University of New York in 2018, he had already patented a uniquely didactic kind of high IQ Hip hop.

[Nathan Oglesby]

You ever feel paralyzed by the idea of your finitude? Staring into the headlights of the bright sight of the bigger truth? When your little vid didn't get of you, your spirit tune unlistened to Oglesby.

[Arsenio Orteza]

Grew up in Snohomish, Washington, where he attended the United Methodist Church before drifting away. Then gradually through encounters with William Blake and Martin Luther, he drifted back. Last Easter he entered the Catholic Church. But as he has just entered the Yale Divinity School, his spiritual trek may not be over. His musical track certainly isn't. His latest album, Between Piety and Desire, finds him putting hip hop aside for country and folk. And as you might expect from an album with piety in its title, Ogleby's burgeoning faith plays a role.

[Nathan Oglesby]

I've spent my mind on many things I've wished it had been.

[Arsenio Orteza]

The album is unique in Ogilvy's output for reasons other than its style and its faith based content.

[Nathan Oglesby]

But now I see that that of me that really is is him. I am free within thee, within Jesus.

[Arsenio Orteza]

It's also introspectively autobiographical. Oglesby wrote its 13 songs in the wake of a traumatic romantic breakup, hence the desire part of its title.

[Nathan Oglesby]

All of the songs on that album are so unlike anything that I'd done for the past 10 years. It was more like writing songs when I was a teenager feeling, you know, just feelings of passion and pain and like self negation and desire and no way of putting them anywhere except into very crude and rudimentary music. And the songs were arriving whole, you know what I mean? They were, they were coming out just line by line and I certainly wasn't planning on like making an album or anything like that, but they just all arrived and they saved me.

[Arsenio Orteza]

An album rooted in heartbreak could be a downer or a wound licking exercise in too much information. To Oglesby's credit, his heartbreak album is neither. In its jaunty opening song, Oglesby Even seems to have achieved a sort of closure.

[Nathan Oglesby]

If you gave your love to somebody else Said never mind everything we ever felt I'd still pledge my time and help to your fine little finite particular self. It's the fact of your being, your being in the world, the fact that you breathe and that each breath curls in the swirl of it all Till that's done too. There's nothing in this world to make me unlove you there's nothing in this world could make me unlove you.

[Arsenio Orteza]

Other songs, however, reveal how bad the post breakup blues can be, even for someone cultivating a relationship with Christ. Consider, for example, the song Reading the Bible in a bar run to and.

[Nathan Oglesby]

Fro through Jerusalem men Look, look around and see there's no one who does justly there and my true love just left me and all I've got is Jesus Christ and credit card debt and a car now she's gone I'm alone reading a Bible in this barn.

[Arsenio Orteza]

I asked Oglesby how autobiographically accurate he was trying to be with the lines, all I've got is Jesus Christ and credit card debt and a car and I'm pushing 40 and I've lost most of what I had. His answer very I lost the girl.

[Nathan Oglesby]

I lost the dough. And then there I was, you know, just in this bar. And I've been experiencing this draw to faith, but I was also feeling this sense of like, wow. I've tried, been trying to follow that path, and so far the path is like not leading to milk and honey yet. So it was like this desert moment, you know, it was like a moment like when the Israelites are like, I kind of feel like we should have stayed in Egypt. You know, like, slavery was better than this because that's how I felt. I was like, I'm totally free. Nothing encumbers me. And I've kind of always desired that freedom, but I. It tasted like ash in my mouth.

[Arsenio Orteza]

The bar in question, by the way, is in New Orleans, which really does have streets named piety and Desire. And when Oglesby says that he'd lost the dough, he isn't exaggerating. For a while, his skill at making hip hop videos that addressed serious issues in a clever and engaging way got him not only viral moments, but also what he calls big commissions. Eventually, however, the number of online content creators grew so large that it became harder for him to stand out. And anyway, Oglesby admits that he mismanaged his big commission earnings. Having hit financial rock bottom is one reason other than a sense of call that he has enrolled at Yale's Divinity School on a scholarship.

[Nathan Oglesby]

In stepping into this divinity school path, I want to merge the feeling I had as a professor with the feeling I've had as a performer in terms of the practical doing of, like, professing and speaking in a sort of quasi educational way, with the sort of performativity and artistic panache of this, you know, content creation and this and songwriting. And it's also not about the transmission of knowledge being the end in itself, but it's actually about the care of the other.

[Arsenio Orteza]

The other, in the case of between piety and desire, includes anyone who has ever gone through the failure of romance and anyone who has ever sought God with his whole heart and mind.

[Nathan Oglesby]

I don't know when this will end or if and how we'll come again. As good and bad as it's ever been, it's enough to remember them that we believe in God, you and me.

[Arsenio Orteza]

I'm Arsenio Orteza.

[Myrna Brown]

Today is Tuesday, September 23rd. Good morning, this is the world and everything in it from listener supported World Radio. I'm Myrna Brown.

[Nick Iger]

And I'm Nick Iker. IVF has become a centerpiece of US Health policy. President Trump. Trump signed an executive order after taking office directing federal agencies to expand access and find ways to make IVF cheaper. On the campaign trail, he said either government or insurance companies ought to pay for treatments. But World Opinion's contributor Caitlin Walls Shelton says even as IVF dominates the conversation, another approach deserves more attention.

[Caroline Levitt]

When Madeline Kearns got married in 2023, she knew she would have trouble getting pregnant. Doctors said she likely had a gynecological disorder but could not confirm without an invasive surgery. Doctors assured her there was another way, in vitro fertilization. But as practicing Catholics, Madeline and her husband believe they cannot use IVF to conceive. America's 53 million Catholics and many Protestants have significant concerns about IVF. Despite this, referrals for IVF based on unexplained infertility have become the standard of care for many women in the United States. When her doctors in New York City couldn't help beyond referring her for ivf, Madeline discovered a practice in Missouri that specializes in natural procreative technology. It's called Veritas Fertility in Surgery. Naprotechnology seeks to identify and treat the underlying causes of infertility so women have a greater likelihood of conceiving naturally and being healthier overall. It is one of a number of approaches that falls under the umbrella of restorative reproductive medicine, commonly known as RRM, a field that has existed for more than 25 years and is growing in popularity. Its practitioners say that compared to ivf, RRM is less expensive and less invasive, and research in the journal Therapeutic Advances in Reproductive Health backs them up. Where the average cost for RRM is in the thousands, just one cycle of IVF is in the tens of thousands, the successful birth rate is higher, and women are also more likely to conceive again naturally without additional intervention. But while infertility is surging and birth rates are plummeting, America's major medical associations see RRM as a threat rather than part of the solution. In August, the American Society for Reproductive Medicine sent a letter to the National Governors association and Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy. The letter calls upon governors and Secretary Kennedy to reject any legislative or regulatory proposals that would codify rrm, end quote. It was signed by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, acog, the Society for Maternal Fetal Medicine, and the Society of Gynecologic Surgeons. RRM is not a magical fix. All that will solve every couple's infertility. But if there are cost effective ways to diagnose and treat the underlying causes of infertility, why aren't they offered as a first line treatment in every clinic in the nation? If the associations are displeased by the lack of studies in this emerging field, why not fund more research? If IVF is more expensive, more painful, more time consuming and less effective, why promote it? Perhaps the answer comes down to revenue. According to Global Growth Insights, the IVF market in 2024 was valued at nearly US$17 billion and it's growing. RRM is not yet the standard of care for women in the United States, but it is a hopeful, innovative and cutting edge field of women's health research that the major medical associations appear to be undermining. Madeline Kearns and her baby girl are living proof that Christian couples struggling with infertility have alternative options to ivf. Hopefully more couples will have the chance to pursue it. I'm Kaitlyn Wall Shelton.

[Nick Iger]

Tomorrow Hunter Baker is back for Washington Wednesday and we will meet some dance enthusiasts keeping the heel drop, brush and paradiddle alive for the next generation. That and more tomorrow. I'm Nick Iger.

[Myrna Brown]

And I'm Myrna Brown. The world and everything in it comes to you from World Radio. World's mission is biblically objective journalism that informs, educates and inspires. The Bible says, again, I saw that under the sun. The race is not to the sweet swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor bread to the wise, nor riches to the intelligent, nor favor to those with knowledge. But time and chance happen to them all. For man does not know his time. Like fish that are taken in an evil net, and like birds that are caught in a snare, so the children of man are snared at an evil time, when it suddenly falls upon them. Verses 11 and 12 of Ecclesiastes, chapter 9 go now in grace and peace.