← The Zach Lowe Show
Loading summary
Transcript81 lines
- [00:00]
A
This episode is brought to you by State Farm. The best passers see every angle of the floor to make the perfect assist, and State Farm is no different. They know the game inside and out and look at every angle to help set you up with a plan that fits your life and budget. Get the coverage that's right for you. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability and eligibility vary by state. Hey, it's Bill from the Bill Simmons Podcast. FIFA World Cup 26 fans, listen up. Is the official beer sponsor of the FIFA World Cup 26. Michelob Ultra is giving away $1,000,000 worth of FIFA World Cup 26 tickets and prizes. Enter now at michelobaltra.com SuperiorAccess FIFA World Cup 26 Michelob Ultra FIFA World Cup 26 Superior Access no purchase necessary. Open U.S. residents 21/ begins on December 1, 2025 ends on July 31, 2026. Multiple entry periods. Visit www.mcglob ultra.com Superior Access FIFA World Cup 26 for free entry, entry deadlines, prizes and details. Foreign up on the Zach Low Show It's Friday. Giannis is going to get traded probably at some point. We don't know when and just screw it. Let's do a podcast anyway and make it all draft Jonathan Gavoni from Draft Express. The best in the business. He knows everything that's going on. He's seen all these players from when they were little pups learning how to play basketball at a high level. He gives us all the latest on who. Is Washington taking it number one? Is it actually going to be Darren Peterson? Does anybody actually know? What are the ripple effects of that pick going down to 2, 3, 4 and then the morass from 5 to 18 teams trying to trade up, trade down, trade in, trade out all these guards. Who are the Clippers taking? What are the Nets going to do? They just took a billion guards. Are they going to trade down the Kings? Do they really want a cuff that badly that they're going to trade up? The Hawks at 8 is their pick and play is the warriors pick and play. The Thunder have two picks. The Grizzlies have two picks in the top 18. What are all those teams going to do? We get into all of it. I've actually watched some college basketball in the last few days. I'm learning a little bit. We talk about some of my hot takes from those and just sort of everything that's going to happen in the draft. And yes, we talk Giannis. The latest on Giannis do We still expect a trade before the draft and then some finals takes that I don't like. And my most interesting off season, teams that aren't at the top of the draft or in the Giannis vortex. Just other teams I'm watching. That's all coming up on the Zach Lowe Show. Welcome to the Zach Lowe Show. It's Friday morning. I wasn't actually going to do a show today because we're all on Giannis spots. You could get traded anytime. But you know what? Screw it. I'm not letting this hold up my business. The draft is in, what, four days or something crazy like that. There's a lot of intrigue, there's a lot of movement. Let's just have fun. If Giannis gets traded tonight, we'll do another pot. Jonathan Gavoni, Draft Express. Just one of one in terms of draft intel and analysis. How are you doing?
- [02:56]
B
I'm doing great, Zach. How are you?
- [02:58]
A
I'm good, I'm good. I'm on Giannis watch as. As the whole league is.
- [03:02]
B
We all have been. It's been a while now. Zach, can we.
- [03:06]
A
Years I've waited so long for this to happen. I'm like the old lady in Titanic at this point.
- [03:13]
B
How mad will you be if it doesn't happen on draft?
- [03:16]
A
No, I don't get mad. I don't get mad because one of the things I've realized in my old age of doing this job is I can't control these things. I can't. I can't. Like, I can't. They're not going to happen conveniently to my podcast or personal schedule. I can't control how long series go in the playoffs and how much I have to travel and who plays who. You just have to just. Just let it happen. Just got to let it happen to you. And look, I have a busy. It's. This is. This is the most suboptimal possible sequence of events. So normally the draft is on a Thursday, right? Like Thursday Friday has been the cadence of the draft forever. So I'm going to reveal this. This is a first, is a scoop on the Zach Low Show. Several months ago, the New York Mets approached me about a number of things. I do this Mets Corner segment on the podcast that they have liked because I'm just a crazy fan. They're like, hey, among the things is like, would you want to throw out the first pitch on June 22? And I was like, Hell yeah. June 22, Monday before the draft. A little bit of a hot zone, but it'll be Fine, It'll be great. And then, lo and behold, we can time that to stay overnight as a family in Queens, fly out the next day to watch to Toronto to watch Croatia play in the World Cup. Probably two days before the draft. We're getting in the hot zone. But, you know, it's whatever. Like it's World Cup. It's what? And now that's the night before the draft. I will be throwing out the first pitch at Citi Field, weather permitting. The weather doesn't look great because I'm freaking cursed and the Mets are curse, and then I'm flying to Toronto. He could get traded while I'm screaming in what is now a must win game after a disappointing first game for Queen. And you know what, Cavone, there's just nothing I can do about it because he's either going to get traded or he's not. But will I get angry? No. I will say before we get into the draft, draft, I still expect him to. I would still bet on him. I want to use that language, getting traded before the draft. I think everyone kind of wants this to happen. My favorite bit of reporting in the last week has been sources say Milwaukee doesn't love Miami's offer. Really? Is that, is that a revelation? Because if they love Miami's offer, I think he'd be on Miami and would have been on Miami like two months ago. Miami is in it, right? I think Boston is in it to some degree. The degree I'm not entirely sure what it is, but they're in it. I wouldn't even rule out, like a mystery team still kind of lurking on the fringes. And obviously all of this is a lot of it anyways, contingent on where Giannis is going to be willing to indicate that he will sign an extension in October. I still think it happens before the draft, if only because, you know, Milwaukee will want a first round pick in this draft. A lot of teams you can probably speak to this are trying to get an extra bite at the apple in like the middle of the lottery, because people just love this draft and they'll want to, you know, they'll want to have control of another pick, but it wouldn't, it wouldn't shock me if it goes past the draft, but I would still bet on it happening before the draft. What about you?
- [06:12]
B
Yeah, I mean, I'm. I'm thinking back to the trade deadline when we all thought Giannis was going to be traded, and then he wasn't. And I followed up with some of the teams that were involved and and they said, listen, they played this brilliantly. They wanted to see everybody's best offer. They made us all feel like this is happening any second now. You better get your best offer in. They waited till the very last second and they kind of dangled them in front of our faces and then they pulled the rug out. And now they know what our best offer is. They. And now they're going to do this again, you know, and so they're going to, you know, they're going to take this onto the clock. And I mean, like, is it, is it going to, is it going to happen here? Like, you know, with the 13th pick or whatever that, like, that's when Giannis gets. Gets traded? I'm not sure, but they obviously, like, this is a big move for them and you only get to do this once, so they're going to take their sweet time with it.
- [07:02]
A
Yeah, I think what's happening here is very simple. The draft is still four days away. Miami's offer is what it is. We can assume it's a combination of Tyler Herro, filler, salary attached to decent, intriguing young players. I would guess Cole Ware, they could go out further.
- [07:17]
B
No, like, they could, like, sweeten the pot.
- [07:19]
A
Well, this is what I'm saying. We know there's, there's an offer like that with picks and number 13 and they can trade more future picks on top of that. I'm sure Milwaukee's like, cool, that's our floor. Like, we're going to sniff around and at the very least, or we're going to act like we're sniffing around or both and, and hope to get one more extra thing out of you. And by the way, a couple other notes on this. The Rozier thing falling away as salary filler for Miami is a really, is a really big deal because it, it actually strengthens their offer and weakens their ability to not strengthen their own offer in a lot of ways. And there are still, I think, mechanisms where I think Hero has to be in the trade. And I actually think Milwaukee, I've heard Milwaukee could flip Hero for a decent, like, more draft equity so that they could frame this as, like, we get, you know, five first round picks in the deal or something like that. I don't, I'm not going to speculate on where, but I think there are going to be deals available for Hero if that's the way Milwaukee wants to go. And I do think Miami has constructions of the trade where Wiggins and they have a team option on him or is it a player option? I Can't remember, it's some kind of option. And Norm Powell, who's an unrestricted free agent, they have his bird rights, are both still on the heat. I think that's like their ideal scenario to at least keep those two mid sized to semi high salaries on the team as talent, as players around Bam and Giannis and whatever is left over there's still the safe bet. But I'm prepared for anything. And I'm also prepared. I'm also prepared. I don't want to jinx myself. Gavoni. I'm going from the mound at Citi Field. I'm not doing the thing that Josh Hart and Jalen Brunson did where they, now they have to worry about injuring themselves. But they went from in front of the mound. I went to my local high school, threw the tarp off the mound and practiced from the mound because I'm going to try. I'm going to try to do it. Why not? I'm never going to do this again. I'm going to go out swinging.
- [09:19]
B
Hope you do a better job than our boy Victor did.
- [09:23]
A
Dude, there's been some bad first pitches in the history of first pitches. And here's what I don't need from.
- [09:28]
B
Set pretty low for you.
- [09:30]
A
Here's what I don't need from my friends and family. I don't need people sending me 50 Cent and Gayle King and everyone who fucked up the first pitch. I don't need it in my head. All right, just like stop doing that. It's not helpful. Any, any parting thoughts on the Giannis thing?
- [09:46]
B
I don't know. I hope it happens. You know, I'm betting on, I'm imagining it's going to end up being Miami, you know, like just because they, they really want him. And that's where Giannis wants to be and he's got a big say in this, you know, and so if you're going to give up all of that, you better know that you're going to keep him. And so that's. It feels like they're, you know, that's where we're all kind of expecting him to end up. And that's, that's my guess where, where this goes.
- [10:10]
A
Okay, let's start at the top of the draft where Washington controls the process. Now there's all this reporting. Mark Stein reported that Washington is uncertain, is debating between Peterson and Debanza. Jeremy Wu, your old colleague at ESPN, just changed his mock draft 15 minutes ago to put Peterson at number one over Debanza. I've again I will say this, it's not like Washington's front office is going to be like, hey, Zach, just so you know, we're taking player X. So everyone is playing a guessing game to the point that I talked to a high powered agent last night who just flatly said, oh, they're taking debance. Ignore everything else. And then all this other reporting comes out, and I've heard some of it too, that Peterson's back on the board. Who knows? I don't think there's going to be a trade right now. I think the top four teams are going to stay the top four teams. You have been consistent that you think Peterson is the best guy in the draft. Do you still think Peterson is the best guy in the draft? And what's your best read, if whatever, you can share about Washington's intentions as we approach the weekend?
- [11:12]
B
I mean, I've been hearing Peterson at one from the very start, you know, like, so I was just, you know, I came on the show the night, the day after the lottery and I was like, why, why was the whole lottery show about AJ DeBonsa? You know, like, I, I struggled with that. You did. And I was like, he's, it's not, he's not Cooper Flag, it's not Victor Wembanyama. It's not any kind of home run where they're just like taking age of the banza and we're off to the races, you know, like it's a real conversation here. Do I know who they're taking? No. Have I done a lot of work on it also? No. You know, like, I don't miss those days of, you know, having to call every agent, call every team, what have you heard? And trying to track down, trying to
- [11:51]
A
figure out who's lying and how aggressively
- [11:52]
B
they're lying, you know, you know, like, who picked him up? And you know, like Washington, they're very secretive and for a good reason. But I would think that they, you know, it's a real debate for them and you can't fuck this up. And this is exactly what I said, you know, like a month ago. You only get one chance at this and nobody's going to care that, you know, Asia Debunza was the safe guy. And if Darren Peterson is the best player, then this is going to be a stain on your record, you know, for the rest of your career. So you better make the right choice. And, you know, I think it's Peterson, you know, reasonable minds can disagree. And you could tell me that age of the bonds is the most Talented guy. And he has a very strong argument. AJ Levant is going to be a very good NBA player. So I can't wait to see how it all plays out. It's so much more fun when we don't know who the number one pick is. You remember this? You know, crazy Jabari Smith, Paolo Banchero, Chet Holmgren. I mean, the Orlando Magic never brought Paolo Banchero in for a workout. You know, I mean, that's. I remember going to Mike. I forgot about that an hour before the drafts in Mike, who are they taking? And he said, I don't know, man. You know, like, there was a last minute zoom then, you know, and, and to not bring a guy in for the number one pick, that just shows you, like, they really, really struggled with this. And they, they. And they had a tough choice to make. You know, turns out they probably should have taken. But, you know, the playoffs might.
- [13:22]
A
You know, I was going to say my most recent memories of Chet are him falling over, trying to dribble baseline and dropping the ball a lot. But yeah, if you look at the
- [13:32]
B
overall, you know, body of work, you know, we're all prisoners of the moment here. But like, Chet Holmgren helped them win an NBA championship last year. And, you know, he, his role was a little bit different. You know, like his job was to draw Victor out of the paint. He didn't do that very successfully. But so, you know, I think I'm hearing Peterson, but, you know, I haven't done as much work as I usually do on this kind of stuff, so we'll see how it plays out.
- [13:59]
A
Here's, here's. First of all, I completely agree with you. I had Kyle Mann on a few days ago and I threw out the comp to the Bankero Smith Holmgren draft of like the last minute flip flops. The odds change. Like, Jabari Smith is number one for a long time. He ends up getting picked third, which turns out to be the appropriate order of selections. In that regard, I don't think Washington is trading the pick. I don't think to the best of my knowledge that they know with certainty right now who they are taking. I think they're leaning one way and I don't know which way it is. And I don't think anybody really knows. As that conversation with that agent I mentioned last night, it's like, oh, yeah, for sure. They're taking this guy like, okay, so here's what I'll. Here's what I'll have you do. Because the finals ended relatively early, I've Actually treated myself to some college basketball. Like, I watched some full games and like, I can't. There's no way that I can cram, right? I can't cram from a year of not really watching college basketball. Cause I watch two or three NBA games a night. But I'm like, let me get more of a taste of some of these guys. And it has been so much fun because I know that I can't make up for lost time. And so, like yesterday I watched an Arizona, Kansas game at Arizona where it just reinforced that I really like Brandon Buries or Braden Burry's. I don't even. I'm saying their names wrong. That's how late I am into the game. And Peterson, I think, was coming off some missed time in that game was super quiet in the first half. And I'm texting scouts, like, I'm watching this game like Peterson's doing nothing. Buries is amazing. Like, oh my God. And then in the second half, all of a sudden, Peterson has 22 points. Fran Fasciala is losing his mind on commentary about how good Peterson is. And then all my scouts are like, look, if you really want to see Peterson, you got to watch this high school game, which I did a little bit of. You got to watch this game against Baylor and this game against whoever. And I'm like, man, it's got to be. So you really have to see the full body of work, obviously, to make an informed decision. I can't do that. But I will say this. Peterson is what, 6, 6, 6 with shoes? To Bance is like 6 9, 6, 8 6, 9 with shoes. Peterson had this wildly strange college season. I. I will say you've probably heard this too, that although there is some. There is a great deal of skepticism about the public creatine explanation for the cramping, all the medicals, all the testing. Everybody has seen that every team is like satisfied that they've seen everything they need to see and that Peterson's medicals are fine and there is no issue here to be worried about. Whatever happened, happened. Nobody's really worried about it. So aside from that, make the case for me that the smaller guy with the more strange college season, better high school season probably, but more strange college season is actually the right guy for the Wizards and ignore fit. Like, let's just pretend it's a. The Wizards are a blank slate, which they're not. But make the case.
- [16:55]
B
Yeah, I think that Darren Peterson is going to end up being the engine of an NBA team. I think he's A six, six version of Damian Lillard. And so that player that we saw in high school that can change speeds with incredible force, get paint touches, finish with both hands, pass off a live dribble, make shots from anywhere on the court, that is an all NBA player and that's the guy that you can win A championship with. AJ Debonza is going to be a 25 point per game scorer in the NBA. He's an incredible talent in his own right. I'm just not sure that he's somebody that you can win a championship with. You know, with his style of play really ball dominant, you know, mid range Bowie ball, tunnel vision, you know, inattentive at times defensively. I worry about that. Now Darren Peterson, there was a lot of chill there this season and we didn't see that extra gear that was so tantalizing in high school where he's just, you know, playing off that right handed hesi and just blowing by people and finishing above the rim. We saw that in really small doses this year, but it wasn't as consistently as we saw. AJ De Bonzo. Agent Bonza has this incredible will to, to score this like insatiable hunger to put the ball in the, in the basket that I missed from Darren Peterson. Like I was really disappointed in the way that, that he went out. You know, that last game against St. John's okay, at 21 points, so Darren Peterson, but down the stretch it's like, man, go take the ball from Melvin Council and go win this game. He was really like playing the three. It was all these bad shots from Trae White and Melvin counseling, like, okay, some of that is on the coaching staff. They were kind of unrecognizable, you know, like in terms of like what you normally expect to see from Kansas. You know, Bill Shelf was obviously, you know, he wasn't healthy this year and, and so I wonder like if we saw the best version of Darren Peterson. Like what? I cannot let go of what I saw, you know, the whole week In Brooklyn and McDonald's game, every practice, every scrimmage, the game, you know, that whole season of prolific prep, that incredible game against, you know, Debonza, you know, where he drew the guy averaged 30 points a game, seven assists. You know, he made incredible shots all year in high school I'm talking about. And you know, that, that really stuck with me. And that's why Peterson has been number one on my board all year. And from what we're hearing, you know, like that version of him has been on full display, you know, in the pre draft process in workouts in la, playing against NBA players every day. And people are saying like this guy is going to be a superstar in the NBA. And I'm sure if that's what people, what Washington saw in their private workout, that's going to be really, really hard to let go of.
- [20:09]
A
You mentioned the private workout. I want to reiterate this. The Jazz were not surprised that they are apparently to this point not going to get a private workout from Darren Peterson. And I don't think they really care. I don't think that's going to influence who they pick or not. Do you? Was, was what I said about the health checking out okay with teams? Have you heard that that same thing or am I wrong on that?
- [20:37]
B
No, I've heard the same thing. And it was obvious also just like watching him this year at Kansas that like he was not himself, like it was not the same player. There was like a tentative quality to him where it's like instead of just you know, blowing past people with that incredible change of speed, that incredible force, it was a lot of mid range pull ups instead. And like just from the very first game I was like this is not the exact same same guy that I saw. You know, like he's obviously not comfortable. You know. Was it the hamstring? I don't know. You know, like. But. And so yes, I mean that, I mean that all checks out. It checks out from what we hear checks out. The medical checks out on film. And so like I know what I saw. Like there is another gear there for Darren Peterson that we didn't see consistently this year at Kansas.
- [21:26]
A
You could make the argument that if they just love both DeBance and Peterson equally that ty would go to fit. And I think Peterson is, is a little bit of a smoother fit depend depending a little bit on Trae Young. Right? Like this Trey Young thing is a little bit strange that he opted out of that it's already being reported that he is I think is is a mid to late late June deadline opting out of 49 million next year. It could be as simple as this is prearranged and he's going to opt out and resign for three years, whatever with a starting salary that's a little lower, a little whatever, a little different that there's some reason why he opted out instead of opt in and extend. It could also be that his agents know he has a max somewhere and I don't know where that would be. I've heard conflicting. I've heard both accounts Potentially being true. And so if he has a match somewhere, he has a match somewhere. They know he's going to opt out and the Wizards are going to have some work to do to bring him back. But given, I mean, I guess, I guess they both fit very well. The Wizards have a lot of wing and big guys. I don't know how important Anthony Davis is going to be to their long term future. Davis, Saar, et cetera, Keyshawn, George Koulibaly and all that. Maybe none of that really matters. But that's an interesting one to me and I'm looking at the ringer, our big board, Kyle Mann just updated his and he has Cam Boozer at one. And I will say you may have seen this on Instagram. They pulled this out. I fell in love with Cam Boozer watching a couple of full Duke games and some some other clips of him. I just think he's awesome. I think he's going to be a very good NBA player and I think I should have been clearer about this. Again, I know nothing, right compared to the draft Knicks. I don't even loving what I saw from Cam Boozer and what a genius IQ processor playing from a. The passing, the versatility, the shooting, running, pick and roll, screening and pick and roll, all that stuff using angles like a little bit of Jokici stuff in his game not to comp him at all. It's a little bit that I still don't think based on again my limited viewing that how much I love him. I still don't think I would take him number one because these two guys have such crazy superstar upside in terms of like engines on offense that I'm not sure Boozer is quite. That I could be wrong. But I am prepared for like I'm prepared for anything in this draft. Like I'm prepared for the 2% possibility that Washington has decided fuck it, we're taking Cam Boozer number one or the whatever percent possibility that Utah is like oh, Debancer fell to us. Guess what, we're taking Peterson or we're taking, we're taking Boozer number two. Like I'm prepared for anything. And I think Memphis and Chicago are sitting there being like hey man, we're cool. Like whatever, whatever falls to us. We, we're thrilled with these top four guys. But it's interesting that Kyle moved Boozer up to number one. But that's, that's what I stand not as mock.
- [24:27]
B
Right. So that's.
- [24:28]
A
It's his big board. Not a mock I think but I would be surprised if it's not one of the. Of Debancer and Peterson at one, I would be very surprised.
- [24:39]
B
Yeah, I think. Me too. Yeah, for sure.
- [24:41]
A
You could, you could make arguments for both of them. And this Trey thing is a little weird. I would still bet on Trey being back with the Wizards, but who the hell knows? And then the draft really begins at, at 5 with all of these guards and, you know, Clippers, Brooklyn, Sacramento, Atlanta at 8 is super interesting. Dallas at 9 is super interesting. Milwaukee, Golden State, Oklahoma City. And I've heard, I don't know if you've heard this. I've heard New Orleans is calling really aggressively to get into this range of the draft with a specific player in mind. I don't, I don't know who it is, but, you know, there's just so much intrigue with the Clippers. Have Garland. How much is that going to impact their selection? The Nets just drafted a whole bunch of point guards. How much is that going to impact what they're going to do? You've probably heard these rumblings that like, is Brooklyn going to trade down into the range where there's like more wing guys available, pick up an asset? They don't want one of these guards. I don't know, Sacramento, all of this noise about like, they love Acuff. Scott Perry coached Acuff's dad. Are they going to trade up with the Clippers to get, to make sure they get Acuff? I actually have. I mean, I would bet against that based on what I've heard, but again, the intel is all over the place. I don't think Sacramento is like a cuff or bust or trading up. We're going to do something reckless. I my read on them as best I can get it, and it may be wrong. I want to be clear is that they're going to be cool with whatever falls to them. But that could be, that could be wrong too. But like, what? Just in that range, what's most interesting to you, whether it's trade up, trade down, trade out a particular player that's floating around that range, kind of wildly varying degrees. Like what's interesting to you, I think
- [26:19]
B
it's the Clippers, you know, I mean, it's such a tough decision for them. I mean, they, they made this huge gamble trading Zubots for the pick they won on lottery night. You know, they, they have the pick now. It's an incredible win for them. But now you got to pick the right guy, you know, and like, and, and it's not like they're ready to Take a guy and then continue to rebuild her for three years. I mean, like, they've got a team that is built to win now, and so. But at the same, so do you. A lot of these guards, they don't really fit with Garland. And so, you know, Acuff, you know, even Mikel Brown, defensively, it's not a. It's not a great fit. But, like, you don't draft for fit at this point in the draft. You want to, in five years from now, you want to be able to say, I got the best player at this at the spot that I was drafting at. And so that's what makes it such a tough decision. And so I'm sure that, you know, they're fielding all these calls and, you know, but I don't. I mean, you said earlier that you think that, like, there's so much, so many teams want to trade into this range or so much. You know, I don't. I mean, I would. I would think that, like, it's kind of a normal draft here, this 5 to 10 range, you know, like.
- [27:30]
A
And so I think even below, I think even below that. And I think part of that is because people think golden states pick at 11 might be in play, and the CL and the Thunder pick at 12 might be in play because they have two, two of the top 17. And then 15 to 18 is four straight teams. Chicago, Memphis, Oklahoma City, Charlotte, who they have traded for that pick. They're not the original owners of that pick. So I just think there's a lot of, like, there's a lot of thinking some of those picks could be available for various reasons, no question.
- [28:03]
B
And there always is. I mean, like, there's always a huge amount of movement, you know, like, especially in that 15 to 30 range. I mean, we'll probably see like half of those picks traded. There's always like. I mean, I think it's. The Stat is like 8 to 10 picks move hands, like the week of the draft, you know, like, including the night of the draft. And so, yeah, there's going to be a ton of movement. And, you know, the, the draft is like, it's the best conduit for making moves and for, for preparing yourself for free agency and attaching, you know, picks with contracts to, to. To get off stuff and clean your books and all that. So, yeah, it's. I mean, it's much bigger than the draft. I think it's probably less about, like, pure excitement about the players in this range, you know, especially like in that 15 to 25 range and more about, like, we've got to do something, you know, like, and. And this is a great opportunity that the whole league is open for business, and let's just go make some shit happen right now.
- [29:00]
A
Uh, let's take a quick break and then we'll talk more about this, this sort of intriguing morass in the middle of the first round. This episode is brought to you by ebay. I've been hearing people talking about selling on ebay a lot lately, and honestly, I get it. We all have stuff that no longer fits our lives. And from what I hear, selling on ebay is actually really easy. Just snap a few photos, write a description, set your price. Suddenly the stuff that's just been sitting around is in front of millions of buyers already searching for what's next. Find what you love, sell what you don't on ebay. This episode is brought to you by Panda Express. Look, it can be hard showing how much you love someone, but if you can't say how you feel, just say, let's get some food. Or, hey, takeouts on me. And if you really love them, pick Panda Express for delicious, authentically cooked American Chinese cuisine. Whether it's game night or date night, nothing says I love you like orange chicken, honey walnut shrimp, kung pao chicken, and black pepper sirloin steak. Have you eaten yet? Order now. Or is it a Panda Express near you? Brooklyn is one of my most interesting offseason teams because they obviously fell again in the lottery. They drafted a bunch of guards last year. They have this Michael Porter Jr. Expiring contract that I think would be a pretty valuable trade chip. They also just have to decide in this new lottery world, do we? Like, they don't control their pick next year, which gives them, like, a bizarre incentive to actually, in some cases be in the relegation zone. Like, be so bad that you're one of the three worst teams in the league. Because then you can't have your pick be number one and have it like, their incentives are all over the place. Because there's also the incentive of, like, the Knicks just won the championship and we're like, our afterthought status has been underlined, like, and highlighted more than it will ever be. We have to get some juice in the arena. So I don't know what they're going to do with this pick, and I don't even know, like, what have you heard about just their general, like, is this trade down stuff for a wing reel? Like, what do you think is going to happen there?
- [30:57]
B
And I think they need to show improvement this year. Like, I think that they need to start winning games and make some strides, you know, like, because next year's draft is shitty and like you said, they don't control their pick and so there's no like pot of gold at the end of the rainbow anymore. You know, like you've got it, you got to get going here. And it's unfortunate that like these last few drafts that they've slipped and they don't get the pick from the primo talent and that really. And that makes me think that they're not going to trade down even further. You know, like you're at six, there's these, you know, four to five guys who are going to be there. You got to go and pick the best one, you know, like, and regardless of position, I don't think that Ben Sarof, you know, like is, you know, or no one traore. Like these guys can't be factors in your decision making process.
- [31:46]
A
Like they're, I'll go a step further. Like I think Darius Garland is good enough to be a factor in your thinking if you're the Clippers, but I don't think it should be anything close to like a determining factor. Darius Garland was a nice buy low emergency play when it was clear that Harden wanted out and was not going to be part of the long term future of the franchise. That was a nice pivot for them. He's a very good player. He's made an all star team. He's had a ton of health issues. He really just barely played for the Clippers and played pretty well. But like he is not. If I'm the Clippers and I love Acuff or I love one of these smaller guards, Mikhail Brown, who I didn't love on film by the way, and not the bigger guards like wagglers, a little taller Wagler rather is a little taller. Buries plays a little bulk. Like if I, if I love who I love, like Darius Garland is not stopping me from taking that guy and I'm just going to figure out the rest later. He has two years left on his contract, so I think he's on a five year deal with them. But I'm sorry, continue about Brooklyn.
- [32:47]
B
Yeah, no, so I mean I, I'm with you. The same, same concept, you know, applies to the Clippers, that applies to, to the Nets. You know, like you, you need to go and get the best guy here. And so, and, and trading down like punting on this is not really a solution. So if, if you got to figure out who's who's going to be the best player three years from. The problem is that, like, none of these guys are really going to help you win next year. Like Derry Acup, Duffy, not, you know, Kingston Flemings, Keaton Wagler, Nate Ament.
- [33:14]
A
Well, I like Kingston Flemings. He's clever. I don't know, he's pretty small, but he's, he's clever and he competes on defense. I don't know what he's going to
- [33:20]
B
be, prospects, you know, but, you know, history tells you that, like, point guards who are 19 years old don't help you win, you know, like. And so that, that kind of puts them in a tough spot because you know, where you, you need to get better. But it's not, it's probably not going to happen for you from these, from this crop of guys from 5 to 10. But then you're hoping that they show enough excitement as the year moves on to buy you more time to continue to build and, you know, use your cap room and new. Use New York City and use the Michael Porter, you know, trade ship. And it's not, it's not an easy situation they're in, I'll tell you that.
- [34:02]
A
Give me one guy who's rising and one guy who's falling as we approach draft day.
- [34:12]
B
Yeah, I think that it's probably less about like, the workouts, the measurements, the combine, all that, and more about like what we just saw in the playoffs, you know. And so I think with that in mind, I think the bigs, you know, like the playoffs help the bigs. I mean, it's been a couple of years now where we're seeing, like, big men really matter. Rebounding matters, rim protection matters. You can play two bigs together. You need that physicality in the front court. And so like a guy like, like Morris Johnson, for example, you know, like, he's, he. The fact that he, he showed that he can play both spots, you can play the four. Compare the five. You know, he's shot it, you know, decently in workouts. He's 20 years old, great interviews, you know, seven three wingspan, that, you know, that level of physicality, you know, that that's impressive, you know, like in Hannes Steinbach, the same thing, you know, like really good measurements. You know, he's over 611 in shoes, seven two wingspan, has shown the ability to space the floor, can pass it. Some great offensive rebounder. Strong, physical, tough. You know, like that translates to today's NBA. Is he going to be a star? No. Could he be a real Useful piece for, you know, any team in that 8 to 14 range. Yes. So, you know, if anybody kind of slides up, I think it's going to be one of those guys. Do we see like an A die, Mara? You know, like, does he climb up the board on draft night, end up at 6, 7, you know, like that range?
- [35:48]
A
I mean, like, wow, I've heard that's. I've heard like 8, 9. Like, that range is not, like, outrageously unlikely. Like, it's unlikely, but you're not the first person to throw numbers like that about a Daimara.
- [36:01]
B
I mean, he's so intriguing, you know, nine, nine standing reach, you know, the passing ability, the rim protection. He's so skilled, crafty, and he's got great footwork. He's got great hands. You know, the question is, you know, is he going to be able to shoot eventually? I mean, he shot 59% from the free throw line in college, which probably not going to happen anytime soon, but we saw that, you know, earlier on in his career. And so if he can do all that stuff at 7:4, you know, he's only 20. He's been in college for three years, but he's only 21 years old. There's still some upside there to tap into. I mean, that's. Those are the guys that I got my eye on on draft night, you know, like, those bigs to see, like, do any of the. Do any of them climb into the lottery? Where does Yakso Linda Borg end up? You know, like, there's kind of like this sense out there that, like, you know, turning 24 in September, he's just too old. He is what he is. You know, the analytics, they. They don't like the older guys. There's been a ton of guys over the years here, EPE Udo and Wesley Johnson, who, you know, like, got drafted really high at a, you know, at 23 and ended up busting. And so. But Yaxel Lenderborg, you know, he's six, ten. He can handle. He can pass, he can shoot. He's. He's built for the modern game. He played small forward for a national championship team. You can slide him to the four. He's big enough to play the five. You know, like, he was super efficient. He can do a lot of different things. So I'm just really interested to see where does Yaxel end up? You know, some people say, like, the interviews, the background, people kind of wonder, you know, like, how serious is he?
- [37:45]
A
And I've heard. I've heard the maturity. I'VE heard the maturity going to be
- [37:49]
B
like for him and so that's going to be really interesting for one for
- [37:52]
A
me, honestly, again, I know nothing compared to you and everyone else. I watched some Landerborg tape and was like, he's not going to be a bust. Like, I don't know exactly what he's going to be, but he's not going to be a bust. I liked all three of the Michigan guys quite a bit. Give me, give me one follower before we take another quick break.
- [38:14]
B
Probably Jaden Quinton's, you know, like, it's just, you know, there was, he started the year top 10 on pretty much everybody's board. He was, you know, the youngest player in college basketball. As a freshman at Arizona State, he had an awesome year just blocking everything and you know, as a 17 year old and you know, he barely played this year. He played four games. He didn't look right. There's some concerns there about the medicals. You know, he's, he's still only 18 years old. It feels like a Robert Williams type situation where he might end up sliding into the mid-20s. But somebody's going to pounce on him. One of these really good teams and I think they're going to end up being really, really happy with him because, like, you know, you can't teach 610, 75 wingspan. You know, that versatility defensively, there's a lot to work with there. You know, like, you think about like the spurs at 20, like, it's a pretty interesting guy to pair with someone like Victor. And so I'm really interested to see where does Jaden Quinton end up on draft night.
- [39:16]
A
It's funny how some of those like fallers that, that fall and then a team pounces on them, especially if it's a smart team. It's like, oh my God, what a, what a great shot in the dark. You know, this guy fell to them. And like the number one guy coming to my mind is how excited everyone was for Cam Whitmore on the Rockets and that like sometimes they fall and it's like, oh, that's why they fell. The guy I've heard is, and we don't need to belabor this is, is co op just because of, of concerns over his jump shot. But let's take, let's take a quick break and then we'll talk really quickly some more off season stuff.
- [39:47]
C
Are you looking for support in your weight management journey? Zepbound Tirzepatide may be able to help. Zepbound is a prescription medicine used with a reduced calorie diet and increased physical activity to help adults with obesity or some adults with overweight who also have weight related medical problems to lose excess body weight and keep the weight off. Zepbound is Approved as a 2.5, 5, 7.5, 10, 12.5 or 15mg injection. Zepbound contains Tirzepatide and should not be used with other Tirzepatide containing products or any GLP1 receptor agonist medicines. It is not known if Zepound is safe and effective for use in children. Don't share needles or pens or reuse needles. Don't take if allergic to it or if you or someone in your family had medullary thyroid cancer or if you've had multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2. Tell your doctor if you get a lump or swelling in your neck. Stop Zepbound and call your doctor if you have severe stomach pain or a serious allergic reaction. Severe side effects may include inflamed pancreas or gallbladder problems. Tell your doctor if you experience vision changes before scheduled procedures with anesthesia. If you're nursing pregnant, plan to be or taking birth control pills. Taking Zepbound with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. Side effects include nausea, diarrhea and vomiting, which can cause dehydration and worsen kidney problems. Talk to your doctor, call 1-800-545-5979 or visit zepbound.lilly.com this episode is brought to
- [41:19]
A
you by Whole Foods Market. Spring is here so celebrate it with fresh juicy seasonal produce and some very tasty limited time flavors. New Whole Foods Market Peach Apricot Rose Italian Soda Perfect for a picnic or brunch as is their trending Mango Yuzu Chantilly Cake. But if you're on the go, new 365 Strawberry Pretzels make a great sweet snack. That sounds delicious. Get savings with yellow sale signs storewide and everyday low prices on 365 brand items. Enjoy the fresh flavors of spring. Save at Whole Foods Market. All right, let's wrap up by just I wanted to go through like interesting off season teams that are not in the Giannis Vortex and not in like the top five of the Draft Vortex. With one exception that I'll get to in Memphis just because I think they deserve mention. I mentioned Atlanta at number eight. I think that's a pretty interesting I think they're a very interesting team for a lot of reasons. They could open up cap space. They have C.J. mcCollum's free agency that could vaporize some of that cap space. They have Jonathan Kaminga's team option that they could do a number of different things with, including trade him if they wanted to. And they have this number eight pick and it's from New Orleans and it didn't end up as, as sexy a pick as they hoped it would be because New Orleans had a nice finish to the season. I just, this is based on almost no intel at all. I wonder if that pick is going to be available in some form for a veteran. And I keep coming back to. I'm shocked at how much I hear Trey Murphy's name in the rumor mill. I think that's partly like, I don't think he would, he would be adverse to a trade out of New Orleans. If I'm New Orleans, I'm like, that's actually a good player. I'd like to have a good player and a good contract on my team. He'd be a great fit in pretty much anywhere. And I look at a team like the Warriors, I don't think 11 is, is going to get it done for Trey Murphy. And they have difficulty matching salaries and doing all sorts of other things. And they have like Moses Moody's hurt and Jimmy Butler's hurt. I wonder if 8 could start the process of a Trey Murphy deal to Atlanta. I think Chicago also deserves a little mention in the trade because of Bryson Graham in whatever happens with Trey Murphy. But I think Atlanta's sneaky. Interesting. Anything you want to say on them on Atlanta?
- [43:47]
B
Yeah, I mean, there's all these guards there and they played without a traditional point guard since trading Trae Young. So they, do they continue along those lines and just have this like super sized, you know, big time defensive lineup or do they go with, you know, just having all those guys give you the ability to go draft a Darius acoff or a McKel Brown.
- [44:11]
A
It's a great point.
- [44:12]
B
Or a waggler or somebody like that because you can insulate them a lot better than on, on most NBA teams. And even if you're bringing that guy off the bench, that's okay. I mean, he comes in and he's, you know, he's a spark plug as a rookie and it just eases the transition so much for, for a rookie like that to have those kind of defenders and veterans around you.
- [44:34]
A
Detroit speaking of Trey Murphy,
- [44:41]
B
I think
- [44:41]
A
they're going to do something interesting this summer. I don't know if it's going to be at the draft. I Don't know if it's going to be in free agency. I don't know if it's going to be via trade. They can also open up a decent amount of cap space. They've been mentioned as like a potential Austin Reaves landing spot. They'd have to do a lot of work to open up Austin Reeves level cap space. It's not impossible. I just think, you know, they had a, they had a rough first round series. They win a seven game second round series, they lose it. Laid bare what they're missing, which is outside shooting around and secondary creation around their sort of centerpiece players. And I think they look at the east as like, okay, like we learned what we're missing. We're going to do something. Something interesting that they didn't do at the trade deadline where they just sort of did the Fringy Kevin Herder thing. I think there's a lot of interest around the league in Isaiah Stewart who has a handy salary for trade purposes. Based on, based on just putting dots together. Tobias Harris is a free agent. He's a veteran leader on their team. I'm sure there's mutual interest in a deal being done there, but we'll see what other alternatives the Pistons have. I just think the Pistons are going to do something by their standards, a little splashy, that's all. I don't even know where they're. They even have a pick in the first. I don't think they have a pick in this draft.
- [45:52]
B
21.
- [45:52]
A
20 from. From that swap. That's right, that swap with Minnesota. They go up to 21. So that's like not an uninteresting spot for them to be in. I just think, I think something will happen with the business.
- [46:03]
B
Tyler Hero sweepstakes if they want to make a big offer for Trey Murphy, you know, like what does Dallas do with Kyrie in a market and obviously that's going to take a lot to, to get him. But like they need shooting and there's. And, and this is the perfect moment for them to, to. To go all in with their pieces and you know, like they don't probably need a Sar Thompson and Ron Holland. Like how well do those guys, Isaiah Stewart, they don't all complement Cape Cunningham. Kate Cunningham needs a little bit more space to breathe. We saw, you know, in the playoffs and so any of those guys who could really, really shoot and take some pressure off of Cade would make a lot of sense. Now. People aren't just going to give them away, but like they have the ability to go Make a move here because their books are pretty clean and they have their picks moving forward. So, you know, why not go make an aggressive move? If you're the Detroit Pistons, the time is now. The east is wide open.
- [46:58]
A
Other teams that are interesting, Toronto, Philly. Well, no, I'm just going to. Philly is somewhat interesting. What make the case for Philly being on this list?
- [47:08]
B
Well, you know, brand new president and Mike Gansey. Clean slate for him. He could take this a lot of different directions. You know, like, if he wants to go to the ownership and say, let's blow this thing up, you know, like, let's start over, like, get rid of Joan B. Let's do whatever we can to get off of Paul George. Let's start over. Let's build around DJ Edgecomb, you know, and Tyrese Maxey. I mean, that you could make a case that that might be the move. And if there's any time to do that, it's at the very beginning of this new transition into a brand new front office now. I mean, what are they going to get back? I mean, getting off Paul George, like, good luck with that. But it's, I mean, it's, it's a thought to explore if they want to blow this thing up. I mean, and if there's a team, you know, even like a Detroit or something like that, I said, like, we need another guy, you know, like to put next to Cade. Those are two guys that, you know, like, are proven players in the NBA.
- [48:01]
A
Kawhi, interesting fit in Detroit. No clue what's going to happen with him. Obviously, we're all waiting for Wachtel, Lipton, Rosen and Katz. By the way, the law firm. Congratulations. Just world record billable hours on this aspiration thing. You want to interview me, I'll come in for a couple hours. I don't know anything, but, like, if you just need to get your billables up, I'll put on a suit, I'll walk into your office, I'll get someone to film it. We'll have a great time. I'll just, I'll plead the fifth. I've never pleaded the fifth before for any reason. I'd love to go in and plead the fifth. It would be a lot of fun. Toronto 19. Number 19 pick. I just mentioned them because they are, they're, they're good and there was some proof of concept in them being a good team. Scotty Barnes had an amazing playoffs. I don't know that they're any, any better than good and they just have a lot of contracts and they have all their picks and swaps under control. I don't, I don't expect anything dramatic from them, but I'm just interested to see sort of, you know, also OG and Adobe became a hero for another team and there's that whole other storyline, but I'm just interested to see what they do. Indiana, like, everyone forgot about the Pacers. Then they traded for Zubots. Halliburton presumably will be healthy coming off this shingles thing and everything else. They're, they're like. They ran roughshod over the Eastern Conference like yesterday, basically. So they're interesting in that regard. And they're also interesting. I'm going to read you all the players who are extension eligible for the Pacers. Pascal Siakam, Tyrese Halliburton, Avita Zubaj, Andrew Nemhardt, Obi Toppin, Jerris Walker, Ben Shepard and Johnny Furfy are all eligible for extensions. That's just a crazy amount of guys, including two max guys in Halliburton and Siakam that are eligible for extensions. They have multiple years left on their deal. Halliburton has three, Siakam has two. Just a lot of interesting pivot points for the Pacers. I have no idea what they're going to do. Obviously they are heartbroken having lost their pick in just who could have possibly seen it coming? Jonathan, we talked about this, the luck of the draw and who else do I have on my list? Oh, they're in the top five. So they kind of like violate my rule of I don't want it to. I just think I'm very excited to watch Memphis next year because they're going to, they, they move up in the lottery and they're gifted this, this third pick. Everyone thinks they want boozer, whatever. Whoever they get is going to be very good because they're really, they're. They're two keeper keepers and they have this Moran situation that they need to resolve. Our coward who's just really good and can play with pretty much anybody, like a wing who can shoot threes and handle the ball like just anybody. And Edie for 11 games last year was like fucking Godzilla and then just didn't play at all because of these ankle injuries. He'll come back, presumably. Ty Jerome was a monster for 15 games and then he didn't play at all. With Edie, they get this number three pick. I just, I'm interested. I just can't wait to watch them play. I think they're going to be fun. Is the boozer noise Accurate to you.
- [50:56]
B
Oh, him and Zach E together. That's like straight out of the 80s. Like they're just going to do it. Grind people to a pulp inside and be like, post up after post up after post up. They're going to be in the bonus 90 seconds into the game and it's going to be awesome to watch. And so, you know, what do they do with Ja? How does he fit into all of that? I'm not sure, but Memphis is always entertaining and so it'll be interesting to see what they do. I mean, they're always very aggressive on draft night. So do they, you know, do they do. I mean, they've got the picks and
- [51:27]
A
so they have 16 as well, right? Like, what are they going to do with 16 teams are. I think teams are calling in that range, like trying to get in and they could also just be like, we'll take, you know, I mean, Bennett Sturts or somebody like that. Who the hell knows?
- [51:40]
B
Just draft co opied and just go all in on, you know, post up guys, you know, put him at the three and just smash people to death all game long.
- [51:48]
A
One more team. I just, I. It's just they're not that interesting, but they are. People have kind of stopped talking about Minnesota because they have faded out of the honest discourse. And I never really figured out how they were going to get in on the honest discourse and who the hell knows if they're still secretly in it or not. I still think they watched those conference finals and said to themselves like, we're were pretty good. Those two teams are only going to get better. Ant is probably going to look around and be like, we need a little more juice here on the ball. DiVincenzo is going to miss the at least most of the season, if not all of it next year. Randall had another bad playoffs. They don't have a ton of tools, although they get another pick that they can trade it when the calendar flips over. We just know Tim Connolly is adventurous and not afraid to push a lot of chips in, not afraid to shake up his team. I just don't, like. I don't know how tradable their big salaries are. I don't know, like, someone like Gobert is pretty essential to how their team is built and plays. I don't know who really wants Randle to that degree. I just, I never. I always keep half an eye on Minnesota. I don't know if you've heard anything, but I always just keep half an eye. I don't know how they're Going to pivot, but I expect something unexpected from Minnesota.
- [53:05]
B
Yeah, I mean, Tim, Kanye, like you said, like he's, he's a deal maker. And so I mean if there's, if there's a trade to be made out there, if there's an opportunity to get in on like a three team trade or something like that, he'll be right in the mix there. I mean, they've got their team and I mean Anthony Edwards is still only 24 years old. There's probably another gear he can still get to. You know, like J.D. mcDaniels is 25. So it's not like they need to, you know, blow up the whole thing here. I mean they had a pretty good year. They made the semis of Western Conference. So like they're, they're, I don't see them, you know, drastically changing anything. And is there something along the margins that could they pick them up ball handler? I mean that's probably what they're going to end up doing.
- [53:45]
A
I want to conclude by calling out what I think is the lamest and fake boldest trade take of in the media right now. The lamest and fake, fakest, boldest. I don't know how to exactly say it, but I hate this take. I've seen a lot of people make it already and they like pound their fists. Like it's like, it's a really bold take. And the take is, well, the Knicks feel good story. They're not going to repeat next year. Put it in the books. The Knicks aren't going to repeat. This is one and done. The league is going to figure them out. Like, great story. Hurrah for New York. Harrah for Jalen Brunson. It is the lamest possible take to make four days after an insane championship run where they went 16 and three in the playoffs. And the reason I say fake boldest is like any, like, oh, we've had eight straight new champions. You think it's like a big statement to come out and be like, I don't think the Knicks are going to repeat. It's like the safest fake boldest take possible. It's the take you're most likely to be proven right with because you said it right in the aftermath. Oh, I told you they weren't going to repeat. Yeah, no kidding. It's very unlikely that they repeat. It's very unlikely that anyone repeats. I will also say, I think because of how unusual Brunson is as a, as a, as a number one star and how just unusual their season was in Terms of, like, pretty good 53 win team, 16 and 3 juggernaut in the playoffs. I think people are sleeping a little bit on the 16 and three part. Like, that's not a small sample size. And I know they didn't have to play Boston. What's Boston going to look like next year? Do we know? Do we know for sure? Like, like, they were did not play great in the postseason. I know they didn't have to play Oklahoma City, obviously. Like, I would have picked Oklahoma City at full health to beat the Knicks in the Finals. I think they would walk in as my favorites next year. We don't know how the offseason is going to shake out for any of these teams, including the spurs, who beat Oklahoma City. Like, Indiana. Zubots is an interesting new piece. We'll see Detroit again. We'll see what they do in the off season. Cleveland, New York just threw them out of the playoffs like they were a freaking pile of garbage going into a dumpster on the side of the road. Philadelphia, Orlando, new coach and Miami. We don't know who's going to be on their team. Is it Giannis? Is it not Giannis? What's left over? Like, I just wouldn't sleep on the possibility that the Knicks are in the finals again next year. And if you're in the finals, you got a chance. So I think that take is both just so obvious as. As to be like, wildly fake, bold, and also I think, kind of underestimating the Knicks. I've heard it a lot. I've seen it a lot. I think it's just almost like a waste of airspace. Done. End of podcast. Any thoughts?
- [56:29]
B
I would love to see the Knicks back in the Finals. I mean, I live in New York. I'm in Harlem. Like, we had a watch party in front of my house every game. My kids started coming home from school talking about basketball, asking about, asking questions. Have you ever met this guy? You ever met that guy? My kids never showed the slightest bit of interest in what I do for a living until the Knicks made the Finals. All their friends at school started talking about basketball and all that. So, like, that was fun. Let's do that again.
- [56:57]
A
I'll tell you, I'll say this again. I grew up hating the Knicks. I am not a Knicks fan. I don't now. I have no emotions toward any team. I'm Spock, as Bill calls me. I do love New York City. I've lived there for almost. I did live there for almost 20 years. It's my favorite place in the world. I've already done this. I don't want to belabor it. I mentioned when I. When I said that a few days ago that Empire State of Mind was my wife and my wedding song when we got married. And I'm like. I got a little. I'm a pretty, like, controlled guy. But when Alicia Keys performed and Jose Alvarado and Kat are, like, bopping and bouncing to Empire State of Mind, and she's like, in the Knicks. I got a little emotional yesterday, and, like, there's 2 million people there. Like, you can see all the way down the streets, and it's just endless seas of people. I was watching it on tv. There was no way in hell I was actually gonna go and, like, camp overnight or try to get a media pass to this thing. But I got a little emotional. Jonathan, when she got up there and started belting out Put a hand up for the big city, I was a little emotional. Okay? So maybe that's why I don't like this take. Cause I'm a little emotional about New York City right now.
- [58:06]
B
It was a fun run, and I would love to do it again.
- [58:09]
A
Jonathan Gavoni, Draft Express. Follow him on X, follow him on Instagram. Where else can they follow you?
- [58:15]
B
TikTok, I guess.
- [58:16]
A
TikTok. All right. I don't know what the hell's going on.
- [58:19]
B
I've never logged in once to TikTok, but allegedly we are on TikTok and we have, like, 250,000 followers, so we
- [58:24]
A
have the same relationship with TikTok. I have a TikTok account. No idea what's going on? No. No clue. I don't want to hire somebody to
- [58:30]
B
do your TikTok for you. You're missing out.
- [58:33]
A
Yeah. I don't know what's happening on TikTok. You're the best. Nobody knows the Draft better than you. Stay tuned to everything he tweets, says, does in the next four days. Gavoni, thanks for some of your time. I'll see you down the road, buddy.
- [58:43]
B
Thanks, Zach. Great to be with you.
- [58:47]
A
All right, that's it, everybody. Enjoy the weekend. It could be a newsy weekend. Thank you to Jonathan Gavoni of Draft Express. He's incomparable. Thank you, as usual to Jonathan, Mike, and Billy on production. And thanks, as always to you all for listening to and or watching the Zach Low Show. We'll be back next week, kind of tbd, depending a little bit on news and my crazy travel event schedule that I have coming up. But stick with us. If anything happens, we will be here. The draft is on Tuesday, so something is going to happen while Croatia is playing Panama and I'm in the stands in Toronto. God help us all. Thank you all for listening. See you soon. 21 or over and President select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 and over in President, D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or 1-800-MA My reset, call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chatincenetic or is it mdgamblinghelp.org and Maryland Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327-5050. For 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY in New York. For Louisiana, call 1-877-770-7867.