Them Before Us #100 | Making Fertility Fraud a Felony & Retaking the Arts

Summary

Them Before Us Podcast #100 | Making Fertility Fraud a Felony & Retaking the Arts

Date: March 13, 2026
Host: Jennifer (Jen) Friesen, Training Director at Them Before Us
Guests:

• Representative Terry Jorgensen, South Dakota State Legislature
• Caitlin Scott (@whitesquirrelmagic), satirist & creative

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Episode Theme Overview

This milestone episode spotlights two pressing themes: (1) the historic passage of South Dakota’s new law making fertility fraud a felony—championed by Rep. Terry Jorgensen—and (2) the ongoing need to reclaim the arts for Christians and conservatives, featuring satirist Caitlin Scott. The conversation unpacks political advocacy for children's rights, legislative processes, and the role of storytelling and satire in modern culture.

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Part I: South Dakota Makes Fertility Fraud a Felony

(00:00–22:16)

Background and Introduction

• Jen Friesen opens with news that South Dakota has become the latest state (joining only 14 others) to make fertility fraud a felony.
• The new legislation explicitly recognizes the child as a victim, not just the adults affected.
• Rep. Terry Jorgensen, prime sponsor of the bill, joins to share her journey and the legislative story.

Rep. Jorgensen’s Path to Office

• Jorgensen details her long-standing political involvement as a lobbyist, her unexpected return to candidacy at the request of prominent politicians, and her rapid-fire, “crazy” campaign during a snowstorm.
• “I thought, no way [my husband]’s going to say no, I don’t want you to run. And he was on board.” (02:27)

Serving in the Legislature

• Jorgensen reveals that advice from veteran legislators led her to serve on the Appropriations Committee to really understand government:
  • “The best decision I made was to serve on appropriations because I have learned so much about state government.” (04:51)
• Also serves on Veterans and Military Affairs due to her background as an Air Force veteran.

South Dakota’s Fiscal Approach

• South Dakota has maintained a balanced budget every year since statehood.
• The Appropriations Committee focuses on right-sizing government, cutting waste, and setting budgets for all state entities.
  • “It’s a great way to learn how government runs and what the priorities are.” (05:53)

The Genesis of the Fertility Fraud Bill

• The issue was inspired by her late friend, pro-life lobbyist Debbie Pease, and further spurred by Them Before Us’ IVF FYI YouTube series and the Netflix documentary Our Father.
  • “I just think, you know how God works right? Here I was going down one avenue...now, because I saw your YouTube video, I was like, are you kidding me?” (09:44)
• Jorgensen researched South Dakota law; to her surprise, there were no statutes addressing fertility fraud.

Legislative Strategy

• She directed the Legislative Research Council to draft a bill modeled after Indiana and Texas.
• Gained support from pro-life organizations; the bill moved through House Judiciary, House floor, Senate Judiciary, and Senate floor—passing unanimously at every stage.
• Support and remote testimony from Them Before Us’ Josh Wood and Patience (Engagement Director) played a pivotal role.
  • “Josh Wood gave testimony remotely, and it was fantastic. I think that just blew people away...” (11:42)

Bipartisanship in South Dakota

• While South Dakota is predominantly Republican, there is always some Democratic representation.
• Jorgensen notes bipartisanship was possible because the issue was clear and compelling.
  • “Nobody, Democrat and Republican in South Dakota, wants this kind of fraud to be able to go forward.” (15:13)
• Emphasis on putting children at the center of law.
  • “It’s a horrific crime, and children really suffer the most, I believe.” (15:50)

Bill Specifics and Legal Innovations

• South Dakota law only allows single-subject bills, aiding transparency.
• Summary of the bill:
  • Classifies as a felony for healthcare providers to knowingly use reproductive material from a donor, or their own, without written patient consent during assisted reproduction.
  • Expands the window for civil action, recognizing the fraud may take years or decades to surface.
  • “We also wrote into the statute that if an individual finds out about it at a later date, [they] can bring a civil action...we’ve extended the time frame.” (17:30)
• Addresses both criminal prosecution and private civil recourse.
• Discovery: One such fertility fraud case had direct ties to Jorgensen’s district.
  • “One of the children that came out of that fraud lives in my district, which...was surprising to me, which I had no idea about.” (20:47)

Quotes and Highlights

• “It’s just horrific that this kind of crime has been going on for decades.” — Rep. Jorgensen (00:58)
• “I can only do that as long as I have God. And as long as I keep praying and people are praying for me, I feel like I can do this job.” — Rep. Jorgensen (03:50)
• “The testimony was so strong and powerful...people recognized right away how important it was.” (11:42)
• “I’m just hopeful...more people hear about it, that more states will get on board and really close the gap.” — Rep. Jorgensen (15:50)

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Part II: Retaking the Arts—Comedy, Satire, and the Conservative Creative Resurgence

(22:16–51:26)

Introduction to Caitlin Scott

• Jen transitions to arts and culture, introducing Caitlin Scott, Instagram satirist (@whitesquirrelmagic), known for using humor and creativity to comment on cultural and political issues.
• Focus: How Christians and conservatives can re-enter and influence the arts.
• “You’re passionate about the arts and just helping put out your worldview, Christian and conservative worldview, in a really fun and engaging way.” (24:03)

Caitlin’s Story: From Broadway Dreams to Satire Stardom

• Lifelong ambition to be a Radio City Rockette; pursued degree in musical theater.
• Experienced a spiritual transformation that shaped her worldview.
• “I slowly started to realize that I’m pursuing a career that hates me and hates everything I stand for.” (25:19)
• Describes the arts as often hostile to Christians, with only “about 2% of musicals” compatible with her beliefs.
• COVID and ideological filtering (vaccine mandates, etc.) closed even those few doors, so she shifted to online creative expression.

The Power and Purpose of Satire

• Scott’s satire often involves creating characters that expose cultural absurdity by echoing prevailing talking points to their logical (often ridiculous) conclusion.
• Heavily inspired by the Babylon Bee:
  • “If the Babylon Bee would let me, I would put my bio as, ‘if the Babylon Bee had a daughter’.” (29:11)
• “All I do is repeat what they actually say. The jokes write themselves these days.” (30:09)
• Defines satire: “Taking an absurd idea and exposing the absurdity…when people see it in that expository way, it really opens their eyes.” (30:10)

Examples of Cultural Satire

• Parodies Ms. Rachel (children's YouTube teacher), critiquing her advocacy for progressive causes, and the broader industry pattern of inconsistently championing fashionable causes:
  • “It’s a sneaky way because it’s under the guise of protecting children...who cares about the Jewish children? It’s only the Palestinian children.” (31:32)
• Calls out celebrity hypocrisy, e.g., parodying Billie Eilish’s “No one is illegal on stolen land” comment while living in a mansion on indigenous land.
  • “Under the logic of no one’s illegal on stolen land, it should be an open house 24/7.” (37:08)

The State of the Arts and Comedy

• Points out the leftward lurch of mainstream comedy (SNL, etc.), which used to lampoon both sides but now functions as “liberal propaganda.”
• The need for clean, values-driven satire:
  • “It’s my dream to create a clean SNL.” (35:03)
• Discusses the pitfalls of cancel culture and its chilling effect on comedy.

Strategy, Creation, and Community

• Describes her creative process: research, emulating voices, ad-libbing, and editing.
• Emphasizes the importance of conviction and authenticity; credits her husband with encouragement and tech support.
• “Live by the mob, die by the mob.” (39:45)
• Networks with like-minded artists; has connected with figures such as Skillet, Danny Gokey, and Ali Beth Stuckey in her content and in person.

Advice for Aspiring Conservative/Christian Artists

• “Don’t compromise...if [a professor] wants to flunk you out for not cussing, Praise God.” (43:32)
• Encourages creating more art, supporting family-friendly theaters, and building alternative spaces:
  • “We need people leading those things, so people who are starting out have somewhere to go.” (44:44)
• Documents hostile pressure to conform but insists that Christian artists have a right to their place.
  • Shares encounter with a progressive performer: “Girl, give us Broadway,” to which Caitlin replied, “Art is meant to be for everyone, not just the liberal propaganda.” (46:35)
• “Don’t be bullied out of this space...it will be hard—the Bible promises persecution.” (48:46)
• Distinguishes between attacking ideas versus people:
  • “I never make fun of how someone looks…But to point out, hey, maybe a toddler teacher in favor of Mamdani for mayor is whack.” (51:03)

Notable Quotes

• “Satan has totally taken over the arts in a very devious and kind of unassuming way.” — Caitlin Scott (25:22)
• “We need to be a light. Because we've been bullied out of this space.” — Caitlin Scott (45:14)
• “The reason that person isn’t a Christian isn’t because of a Miss Rachel satire. It’s because they are not dead to their sin.” — Caitlin Scott (49:33)
• “The goal is not to offend. The goal is to speak the truth in love. And I’m a weird, funny person. That’s my medium—to choose satire.” (50:36)

Where to Find Caitlin Scott

• Instagram: @whitesquirrelmagic (“I have been banned from TikTok.”)
• Open to DMs and advising fellow creatives

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Key Episode Timestamps

• 00:00–04:37: Rep. Jorgensen’s background and path to office
• 05:23–06:50: Appropriations and balanced budgets in SD
• 07:24–14:17: The journey to the fertility fraud bill—origin and process
• 14:43–16:55: Bipartisan dynamics in South Dakota; the child-centric focus
• 16:55–21:20: Bill specifics; victim recourse; real-life implications
• 22:16–24:46: Introduction to Caitlin Scott and reclaiming the arts
• 25:19–27:00: Caitlin’s arts journey and the problem of anti-Christian bias
• 29:09–34:49: Satire, hypocrisy, and cultural critique in action
• 37:03–41:42: Creative process, celebrity interactions, crafting content
• 42:15–46:56: Building up conservative/Christian arts; persecution and community
• 48:46–51:26: Advice for aspiring artists; closing remarks and connection info

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Episode Takeaways

• South Dakota's new fertility fraud law represents a major step in centering children's rights in assisted reproduction legislation, with strong bipartisan and community support.
• Them Before Us’ educational efforts directly influenced state policy change, showing the ripple effects of advocacy and information sharing.
• Christians and conservatives face resistance in the arts but have unique opportunities to reclaim space via authenticity, community, and unapologetic creativity.
• Satire is both a subversive and clarifying tool, making the absurd visible and empowering dissenting voices to challenge mainstream cultural narratives.
• Practical advice includes: seek community, don’t compromise values, and use your artistic gifts as a form of both witness and reform.

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For more information on policy, children's rights, or Christian engagement in culture, visit (thenbeforeus.substack.com) and follow the guests on their respective platforms.

Transcript

[Jen Friesen]

Foreign. Welcome to the Done Before Us podcast. I'm your host, Jen Friesen, and if you follow them before us on social media or our substack at all, you know that the big breaking news this week was that in South Dakota, fertility fraud is now a felony. With Republican Governor Larry Roden signing HB 1164 this week, it joins, I think, only 14 other states that have done this sort of legislation. And we think, in particular, South Dakota really nailed it because they talked about the child as a victim of this sort of fraud, in addition to the adults, which a lot of the states focus on. And it's really cool because today we are joined by Republican Representative Terry Jorgensen, and she was the prime sponsor of the bill. And we're so thankful for your time and that we get to pick your brain to talk a little bit more about this legislative process and all the work that you did. So thanks for being with us, Representative Jorgensen.

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Well, thank you so much for having me. And I'm very excited that this bill passed. And it passed unanimously. I mean, every step of the way, there was not one no vote, which is pretty incredible, because when it hit House Judiciary, what I found out later is that was the place where most bills go to die. And so a lot of people were really shocked that it was unanimous even coming out of House Judiciary. So I'm just thrilled. I'm thrilled Governor Roden signed it. I really think that it's a great step toward protecting children. And it's just. I mean, it's just horrific that, that this kind of crime has been going on for decades.

[Jen Friesen]

That's a lot of the commentary we got when we shared it on social media. People were shocked that this sort of thing is not already illegal or a felony, maybe because states aren't considering that it's going on. And so they haven't written specific bills about it. But before we get into the specifics of the bill, Representative Jorgensen could share a little bit. Why did you decide to run for your state legislator, Legislature in South Dakota? What, you've been in office since January 2025, is that right?

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Correct.

[Jen Friesen]

Okay. So just a month and a few days. So what was that process like? What made you decide to run?

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Great question. I actually have been involved in politics for decades. I think the first time I went up to the state legislature to lobby just as a citizen lobbyist was in 2010, and it was a midwife bill. And I then I went on to become a lobbyist for a conservative women's group. So I was fighting for pro life issues. And I did that for a long time, just going up to the capitol and really fighting for traditional conservative values. Now, I had run before and lost, and I was. I was done. I was done with politics. I wasn't going to run again. And a week before the deadline in I guess it would have been 2024, I got a call from several prominent politicians who asked me to run. And I had a week to get my papers, you know, to get the papers in to run. And I thought, well, I'm not sure. So my husband and I prayed about it, and I thought, no way he's going to say, no, I don't want you to run. And he was on board. And, yeah, it was pretty crazy. I got all my signatures in two days. There was a snowstorm. I mean, the whole thing was crazy. I actually had to overnight my petition so that I could get on the. On the ballot. The whole thing was kind of crazy. And then I got elected. And I have to say, it has been very humbling, and it has been a great. I guess it's just, you know, being able to serve the people of South Dakota is such a great honor. And so I just want to do the best I can. And I feel like I can only do that as long as I have God. And as long as I keep praying and people are praying for me, I feel like I can do this job.

[Jen Friesen]

All right, so that's great. And so you ran, you got your signatures in, you ran, you got elected. So then what is it like for a person you had some experience because you had been a lobbyist and you'd come and gone to your state capitol, and then what is it like when you're actually elected to be representative? They start emailing you when you start showing up for work and do you get staff assigned to you or how do those things work?

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Right, right. And so I actually decided on the advice of people who had been in the legislature before. They said, if you really wanted to understand state government, you need to be on appropriations. And I have to tell you, really resisted that because I knew it was going to be a heavy lift. And yet that's what I did. I volunteered to be on appropriations, and that's where I've been serving for the last two years. And I'm also on the veterans and military affairs committee because I am a veteran. I'm retired Air Force, so I am. So I served on those two committees. But the best choice, the best decision I made was to serve on appropriations because I have learned so much about state government.

[Jen Friesen]

Thank you so much for your service. That's. That's also really neat to have people in the government who have served in the military. I think that's. I mean, that's a big difference from when you think of the kings of old. They had to go into war at the front of the pack. And that's kind of the difference in modern politics, right, Is a lot of people make decisions and they haven't necessarily experienced it. So I think that's really valuable. Can you tell us? I'm sure I know what it is. But what is Appropriations and why is that committee important to learn about government?

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Well, appropriations is all about the money, and it's all about setting the budget. And in South Dakota, we've had a balanced budget every year since statehood. So we are very fiscally responsible. And so it's, you know, just setting the budgets for every single group in state government and just throughout the state. And so it's. It's a great way to learn how government runs and what the priorities are and what we can do better. So it's been. It's been really good. We actually set up some. Something people don't realize. But in Appropriations, at least in South Dakota, we do work groups. And in doing some of those work groups, we're trying to right size government. We're trying to find out where we can cut and where we can improve the processes. So. So it's been a very good experience.

[Jen Friesen]

That's awesome. Wow. It's amazing to hear. We're in a blue state in the upper left of the country, and we don't know what a balanced budget is. And they do know if they want more money, they just start raising taxes. Spending is never on the table. So that's pretty neat to hear. Hey, if you're in Washington and you're looking for a change, maybe South Dakota is the way to go. All right, so tell us a little bit about why you started thinking about fertility fraud. Some of the articles mentioned the Netflix documentary that was popular for a while ago. But why fertility fraud? Why was that something that you got interested in to fight the injustice?

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Well, I love this story. And I love this story because you guys are part of it. Them before us is part of it. So what happened is. And I have a very good friend, I mentioned that I had started lobbying in 2010, and it was a midwifery bill, and that was with a just a wonderful lobbyist. Her name was Debbie Pease. She actually died this p or last year. And Debbie was very passionate about pro life issues. And one of the issues that she really wanted to work on was ivf. And I, because I had been asked to run, I hadn't spoken to Debbie in probably a couple years, but because I was at that last minute being asked to run, I decided to give Debbie a call. And we were on the phone, oh, I don't know, maybe an hour. And she was updating me on her kids. But I said, but then we got to the point where I said, well, what do you, you know, what do you want to do in the legislature? And she said, well, I really want to work on an IVF bill. And I said, wow, okay, well, I'm more than happy. If I get in, I'll be happy to help you. Well, shortly after we talked, she. She had a heart attack and she died, which was, you know, really, really tragic. But that was always, you know, in the back of my mind that I wanted to honor Debbie. Sorry if I get choked up, but I wanted to honor Debbie and the work she had done in pro life. So I wanted to bring an IVF bill. And I had actually worked with patients who was with your organization just to come up with some ideas. And I was going to do it my first term, my first session, but I got a lot of pushback, and people felt like we weren't ready to do that. So instead, I continued to work with patients, and we got that IVF bill put together. But while I was doing my research for IVF, I went out and watched some of your YouTube videos, and one of your YouTube videos covered fertility fraud. I just think, you know how God works right here. I was going down one avenue, and I continued to go down that avenue, but now, because I saw your YouTube video, I was like, are you kidding me? What are. What are South Dakota's laws? I figured, oh, we probably already have a law, right? And when I checked into it, I found out, no, we didn't have a law. So that's when I had that bill drafted. So the way that works is I went to our legislative Research Council, and first I had them do the research, and I said, do we have a fertility fraud bill? And they said, no. I said, okay, well, I want you to draft one, and I want you to look at what Indiana did, and I want you to look at what Texas did. And the reason I did that is because after watching them before us and watching a YouTube video, I actually went out and watched the Netflix documentary Our Father. And I was. I was shocked. And I thought, oh, this. I mean, every State probably has a law in place, and South Dakota is just lagging. And I was shocked to find out that it's only 14 states. So anyway, Legislative Research Council put together the bill for me, and then I started getting sponsors and I had to get a Senate sponsor. And then I introduced the bill and I had all my support lined up. I had all the pro life organizations lined up. And then what happens is the first thing is it's assigned to a committee. So it goes. Since it was a House bill, since I'm in the House of Representatives, it went to House Judiciary. And House Judiciary is definitely the place where bills go to die. But, you know, it's such a God thing that it was unanimous out of House Judiciary. And I can't thank Patience and Josh. I can't think of Josh. Is it Josh Woods?

[Jen Friesen]

Yes. Yeah. Josh Wood is our executive director. Patience is our engagement director at them before us.

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

So Josh Wood gave testimony remotely, and it was fantastic. I think that just blew people away that the testimony was so strong and powerful. So after it came out of that, it had to go to the House floor, and on the House floor, it was unanimous, actually went on consent. And what that means when a bill goes on consent, the committee can say, listen, we had no. No votes. We had nobody opposing this. So we're recommending to the floor when it goes to the floor that it's just consent, everybody vote for it, which they did. Then after that, it went over to the Senate Judiciary, and again unanimous. And in fact, one of the senators was sharing some of her testimony about not knowing who her father was. And that wasn't through IVF fraud or fertility fraud, but it was just that she had basically not been told about her background and how hard that was for her. So passed out of that committee unanimously. Then it went to the Senate floor on consent once again and passed and then went to the governor's office, and the governor signed it. So there's a lot of steps, a lot of places that could have been stopped, but people recognized right away how important it was. So I can't thank your organization enough because really, I didn't even know about it. And I only knew about it because you had done a YouTube video.

[Jen Friesen]

Wow, that is so amazing. I love hearing that. And huge shout out to Patience Sunny, because we did a series called ivf, FYI. And we just interviewed a number of different experts that worked within IVF technology or researchers or people talking about the way this tech could be used in the future. And the fertility fraud video was just Katie Our founder, Patience and I talking about some of the crazy stories that have happened. So she did so much work and, and research for that series, which is amazing. And you're just highlighting something we're so thankful we get to offer them before us. Isn't lobbying specific? You know, when you're a non profit, you have all these certain rules about what you're allowed to do. We really just see it as resourcing. We just want people to have information that they need. And like you said, it's awesome that Josh was able to. He testified in front of a committee. Is that what you said?

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Right. In fact, he testified in front of the House Judiciary and the Senate Judiciary and just gave facts. He just gave the facts, right?

[Jen Friesen]

Yeah. So it's just informing people. We want people to have all the information and then they can make a great choice. And to help us understand a committee, I know this at the federal level, but committees are pretty evenly split between Republicans and Democrats, is that correct?

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Not so much in South Dakota, because in South Dakota we're pretty predominantly Republican. And so we always do have a Democrat on every committee, but so it's not evenly split because we don't have enough Democrats.

[Jen Friesen]

Oh, sure.

[Caitlin Scott]

Wow.

[Jen Friesen]

What's that?

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

That's right.

[Jen Friesen]

But there is supposed to be bipartisan representation on all the different things, right? Right.

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Every committee has at least a Democrat. At least one Democrat on the committee. Yes, absolutely.

[Jen Friesen]

And so that's pretty amazing when we think about politics at the federal level. It's so partisan. People are so on one side or the other, it feels like nothing ever gets done. And it's pretty amazing that in South Dakota you really got a coalition of people together with the facts that were on board. Nobody, Democrat and Republican in South Dakota want this kind of fraud to be able to go forward. And it's just really neat to hear that it was bipartisan. Does that feel pretty rare in South Dakota? Does this feel unique or is that, I mean, at state level, maybe sometimes things get done a little more. Working together across the aisle.

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

I think that's first of all, great question. I think, you know, of course, every state is different. I think it was the issue. The issue really brought people together more than, I mean, like I said that House Judiciary Committee, I was kind of shocked when people said, yeah, that's where everything goes to die. They keep voting everything down. So I, you know, and I, as a Christian, I just, I just think God paves the way. He. He orders everything and, you know, he's in charge of everything. So I Just give him all the glory for all of it. But I'm just hopeful that as we do this, as you put this out there, and as more people hear about it, that more states will get on. On board and really close the gap so that. So that these medical professionals and doctors can't get away with this. Horrific. I mean, it's horrific. It's a horrific crime, and children really suffer the most, I believe.

[Jen Friesen]

I agree. Can you go just a little bit into some of the specifics of the bill that passed? Just some of those big things that the bill will talk about or may. That they're making a felony now that maybe didn't exist before? It's interesting, you know, for. Again, for laypeople, some of the bills, again, at the federal level, are hundreds, thousands of pages. It's a lot of language that we're not familiar with, and it can be hard to even know what is going on when a bill passes or doesn't pass. Sometimes it's hard for us to figure out some of those details.

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Right. So in South Dakota, one of the things that we do is we only can have bills that have a single subject perfect. So you cannot have multiple subjects in a bill. So that's really helpful. And most of our bills are usually a page or two. Sometimes you get longer bills, but it's actually harder to pass a bill that's longer. So there really is an opportunity for everybody to read the bill and understand it. So that's just one of the things I think that we do in South Dakota that is just really good governing for the people of our state. So as far as fertility fraud and what we passed, it was made a classified felony for a licensed health care provider in the performance of an assistive reproductive procedure to knowingly cause the use of reproductive material from a donor if the patient did not give written consent to receive the reproductive material from the donor or intentionally cause the use of the licensed healthcare provider's own reproductive material without the patient's written consent. So it is a Class 5. And then we also wrote into the statute that if an individual who finds out about it at a later date can bring a civil action, and we've extended the time frame so that that individual can actually bring a civil action.

[Jen Friesen]

I know sometimes statute of limitations on things might run out. But what's interesting is some of these discoveries of fraud are only happening because the victim of the fraud, the child, the primary victim, we would say, of the fraud, is the child has to get to an age where they start thinking something's off or they do some DNA testing and then they realize the truth. If your statute of limitations was five years or something like that, it's not necessarily going to help the child be able to have that recourse. And a civil. They can go after them in a civil way versus criminal. But now that it's a felony, that means the government. The government would go after the perpetrator and the victims could sue. Is that the difference?

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Exactly. And it's just much stronger. And there's, you know, you're not trying to use other statutes that may or may not apply. This makes it very clear. And so it's just, it just strengthens the whole thing and it puts everyone on notice. And I think what's also interesting and what, what I didn't know until I started doing the research is, is there's like anywhere from 50 to 80 doctors, I guess, that have been involved in this kind of fraud. I don't know the ex, but one of the doctors that was involved actually had ties to South Dakota. And actually one of the children that came out of that fraud lives in my district, which, which was surprising to me, which I had no idea about.

[Jen Friesen]

Wow, that's so amazing. Well, we are so thankful for your work. Thankful that we got to play a part of it. That's so exciting. And it's so neat to see that the, the work we get to do, all the folks that participated in our series are really helping people. This is actually changing laws and changing hearts and minds and protecting the rights of children. But we're so thankful for your work, Representative Jorgensen. And can people come and find you, Are you on any of the social media or come and find you at your candidate website and just follow some of the other things you're doing in South Dakota?

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Sure. And I also, do I also have a substack? Maybe I can send it to you and you can link to it.

[Jen Friesen]

Yes, of course. Yeah. Well, yeah, we'll add those notes in the, in our show notes so people can find you after for sure.

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Okay. And in South Dakota, really, I know this is probably going to sound strange, but if you want to reach constituents, you have to be on Facebook.

[Caitlin Scott]

Yeah.

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

And I know other people are on Instagram and X, but I just concentrate on Facebook because most of my constituents are on Facebook. And that's, I think we have in South Dakota the highest number of people who, who get their social media from Facebook. So I continue to do that. But yeah, I'll give you my link for substack.

[Jen Friesen]

Great.

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Yeah, we'd love to include that.

[Jen Friesen]

Well, thank you so much for your work and for your time today. We just appreciate you so much.

[Caitlin Scott]

All right.

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Thank you, Jennifer, and you have a wonderful day. God bless.

[Jen Friesen]

You. Glad that them before us doesn't really have commercials, but I do want to take a quick second just to tell you to go check out some of our resources thenbefore us.substack.com is our primary way we're communicating to people these days. It's an email to your inbox and it serves as a website where everything's organized so you can go and find the resources that we're putting out. You can be a paid subscriber and get access to all the cool things. You can be a free subscriber and see a ton of our most popular resources. We'd love you to go over there and sign up if you haven't. We are also looking for people who want to be them before us Ambassadors. Do you like being on social media and do you like dusting it up with people in the comments? Then you should join our TBA ambassador team led by me. Sam is going to be a part of it and you hear Sam on the podcast. We like engaging in the comments and sharing it with you in our Here for the Comments sections. In our next little clip here, it's myself and a gal named Caitlin Scott who does an Instagram called White Squirrel Magic, and she is an artist or a creative who's using satire to poke fun at a lot of the crazy ideas that are going on. So I hope you enjoy this next part of our theme before Us podcast today. Hey everyone, welcome to Here for the Comment. You might be listening to us on TB radio or you might be watching and engaging with us on our TBU podcast or our YouTube channel. So however you're joining us, we hope you appreciate this conversation. Today we are joined by Caitlin Scott, who is, I would say, like an influencer but also, I don't know, comedian. Do you. Do you take that title? And someone who's passionate about the arts and just helping put out your worldview, Christian and conservative worldview in a really fun and engaging way. So, Caitlin, thanks so much for joining us at the for us.

[Caitlin Scott]

Oh, goodness. Thank you for having me. It's an honor, truly.

[Jen Friesen]

You've had, gosh, I feel like we talked earlier last year maybe, and then it feels like you've really kind of popped off in a lot of your interactions with just different people in the Christian conservative space. That's really fun. But I'd Love to start a little bit with you giving us your backstory. What, you know, what were you pursuing when you were a kid and a teenager for career in the arts and how. What happened with that? And then we'll talk about where you're at now.

[Caitlin Scott]

Right. So ever since I could answer the question of what do you want to be when you grow up? I said a Radio City Rockette. That was my. My dream. And you have to be between five, six and a half or five, six to five, ten and a half, I think is the height. And I'm 5 7, so I made it. But. And then I just started pursuing a career in musical theater. That's what I have my degree in. And Jesus saved me and made me born again. Halfway through obtaining my career and I slowly started to realize that I'm pursuing a career that hates me and hates everything I stand for. And Satan has just totally taken over the arts in a very devious and kind of unassuming way. And for Christians to find a show to audition for that doesn't actively blaspheme God on stage or the. The message of the show is sin and all your dreams will come true. Find a show that doesn't go against your convictions leaves you with about 2% musicals, I think. And. And then actually in 2020, I was looking to send in some audition tapes and I found Grinch, the musical that Is in the 2%. And they were asking for a vaccination status. And so I just knew I was wasting my time. Even the 2% of musicals that I can't audition for, that door just completely shut. And I was heartbroken. And my husband has always encouraged me to post online, and I've always taken an interest in politics. I think I was debating my seventh grade teacher, Mr. G, between Obama and McCain. I had no idea what I was saying, but I knew I would vote for McCain.

[Jen Friesen]

Yeah.

[Caitlin Scott]

And I've just always had an interest in politics and theater, and that's what led me to starting my account and creating satire.

[Jen Friesen]

So that's awesome. Yeah. It's so interesting because I would say I'm really interested in. And my kind of career in a lot of ways has been within or my interests have been within politics, like culture and politics. And you get a lot of Christians that think Christians shouldn't have anything to do with politics. You shouldn't do it for a career. You shouldn't really care too much about voting or be engaged in a civic way. And I think the result has been Christians have vacated that space. And I Would say probably pretty similar with the art that unfortunately, at some point, I don't know exactly when. I would have to be more educated in this to know exactly when the arts were kind of seen as well. This is a godless thing. If you really care about people or want to educate people, you should do it with theology, maybe, you know, or education. And so then we vacated the arts. And so it does seem like the result is you have a lot of art that is transmitting values, but it's transmitting values that Christians and conservatives, for the most part, don't agree with. Right. You see a lot of climate. I was thinking about all the movies that came out about the Earth's gonna die, you know, everyone's gonna die on Earth if we don't stop climate change. Or Wall E, of course. Yeah, Wall E. Gosh. Terminator. But maybe Terminator is closer than we think. I was talking to a friend about these AIs that are trying to protect themselves, and so they're like, not going to destroy themselves. They might destroy humans. I was like, wait, haven't we seen this movie before?

[Caitlin Scott]

It's a paint deja.

[Jen Friesen]

Yeah, right. And so I think there has been a resurgence of Christians, conservatives, people that lean are more independent or on the right side of the spectrum. The right side of the spectrum are trying to say, hey, how can we reengage with art, good art, writing movies? And then I think satire is a really interesting thing that has maybe recently popped up. But. So were you influenced at all by, like, say, the Babylon Bee when you decided to think about, hey, I'm going to pursue satire as a form of comedy.

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Tell.

[Jen Friesen]

Tell us a little bit about that.

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

If I.

[Caitlin Scott]

If the Babylon Bee would let me, I would put my bio as if the Babylon Bee had a daughter. Yeah, that would be a way to describe me.

[Jen Friesen]

Yes.

[Caitlin Scott]

I love. I love the Babylon Bee because, you know, it breaks into people's minds and hearts in a way that only satire can.

[Jen Friesen]

Talk a little bit about what satire is like in your mind when you're thinking through. So you have an account called White Squirrel Magic, which is a play on black girl magic. White girl magic. And. And you have a number of characters. We can talk about those that you kind of pretend to be the character, popular character, and you really, like, say exactly what they say, just in this very overt. This is what they're actually representing sort of way. So talk to us a little bit about what satire is like. What's the goal when you're trying to make a video that's pointing something Out.

[Caitlin Scott]

Right. I mean, I feel like I barely make satire at this point because all I do is repeat what they actually say. The jokes write themselves these days. Right?

[Jen Friesen]

Yeah.

[Caitlin Scott]

Satire really is taking an absurd idea and exposing the absurdity of it by applying the logic to, to something else. And when people see it in that expository way, it really opens their eyes, like, oh, that. That's what you're actually in favor for is something that absurd.

[Jen Friesen]

Yes.

[Caitlin Scott]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jen Friesen]

So like Ms. Rachel is one of the ones you were. You've been doing recently, which is hilarious. So can you tell us, like, for the listeners who don't little kids, like, who's Ms. Rachel? And then what do you. How do on the things she's been doing?

[Caitlin Scott]

Right. So Ms. Rachel is a toddler teacher. She teaches one year olds how to say mama and baby and baby and milk and, you know, just quite literally 1 year olds and 2 year olds watch her. And she has taken up politics. She has a non binary character in her shows. And she also, she asked Dylan Mulvaney, who is transgender, to be a man

[Jen Friesen]

pretending to be a woman. Yeah, right. Yes.

[Caitlin Scott]

The air quotes around trans.

[Jen Friesen]

Yeah.

[Caitlin Scott]

A man pretending to be a woman asked him to come on her show as like a guest. They haven't done it yet, but. So that's what she wants 1 year olds and 2 year olds to listen to. And she's big into the free Palestine. And, you know, I think it's a sneaky way actually what she's doing, because it's under the guise of protecting children, which, you know, you're a terrible person if you don't want to protect children. But the way she's going about it is propagandized. And it's in total. Who cares about the Jewish children? It's only the Palestinian children. And so that's the kind of stuff that is very sneaky and sounds nice and protective and it's for the children, but it's actually for a bigger, more sinister cause.

[Jen Friesen]

We talk about this a lot too. You see this, Ally B. Stuckey. We'll talk about things like this. The, the problem usually is Ms. Rachel has nothing to say about what happened to Israel.

[Caitlin Scott]

Right.

[Jen Friesen]

And she doesn't have anything to say about abortion.

[Caitlin Scott]

Right.

[Jen Friesen]

She only has something to say when it comes to something that's culturally extremely popular, acceptable or being pushed. That's the difference. Right. It's not that you're not allowed to care about Palestinian children.

[Caitlin Scott]

Right.

[Jen Friesen]

But the difference is you only care when you're told to care. You post the Black square. When you're told to post the black square, you celebrate whatever criminal has popped off in the news as the new hero for the Democrats.

[Caitlin Scott]

Right.

[Jen Friesen]

And you don't have anything to say about the things that the right focuses on. But then, you know, so it seems like a lot of it is just exposing hypocrisy of.

[Caitlin Scott]

Yeah.

[Jen Friesen]

Celebrities. Right.

[Caitlin Scott]

Yeah. You know that she had a child through surrogacy too.

[Jen Friesen]

Oh, no, I didn't. Interesting.

[Caitlin Scott]

Yes.

[Jen Friesen]

And it's interesting too. Do you follow? Here's a. Here's a person you should poke at a little bit. Is. Sharon says so. Is who Sharon says so. Are you familiar with her? See, this is the political, this political sphere. Oh, this would be so funny. So Sharon says so is kind of has coined herself America's civics teacher, America's government teacher. And that's her job by trade. She was a teacher educator. She's very smart, well read, of course. And I think she really came to popularity during COVID because she was talking through a lot of the different laws around the election and all these different kinds of things. And she really has marketed herself as being bipartisan. And when you first started following her, it felt like pretty much like that. It's like, it's kind of hard to tell what side she leans on. She'll say, hey, what can I help people with? And she'll just answer civics questions. And it didn't feel partisan. That didn't last very long. And with the Trump administration, all the things extremely partisan, she's gone out against ICE and all this stuff. And so. But what's so frustrating is continuing to portray yourself like you don't have an agenda. All I care about is, you know, illegal immigrants and them being treated well. I only care about babies in Palestine when it's like. But no, you're not being consistent because you only care about it when it's the thing you're told to care about.

[Caitlin Scott]

Right.

[Jen Friesen]

And it's very pretty popular for you

[Caitlin Scott]

to do so, you know, a hundred percent. And I grew up watching snl, the ones that my mom pre screened that were just, you know, silly and. Because obviously SNL crosses the line. But I love like the Carol Burnett show, like, that is my jam. It's my dream to create a clean snl. But nowadays you turn on SNL and it is liberal propaganda. We were laughing at an ICE agent sliding on the ice and like hurting himself. They were like, this is the best thing that's happened in Minnesota. And that, that's like the butt of the joke. And it's just gotten more and more and more because like you said, it's snl. You know, it used to be like making fun of both sides. Like they would Obama, they would bring a fake McCain in. You know, they would do Sarah Palin, I guess you Russia from my house, which is hilarious.

[Jen Friesen]

Right?

[Caitlin Scott]

You know, stuff like that. But now it's, it's an agenda. It's not just poking fun at both sides. And it makes me want to vomit when I watch it.

[Jen Friesen]

Yeah, well, that's the thing. They have so much more fodder, so much more material. If you considered both sides, if you looked at both sides and kind of looked at it equally, you'd have a lot more material. You would appeal to a broader audience. And that, that's not really the concern anymore. It's just about portraying or giving certain values. Right. We're only going to talk about certain mindsets and certain values. Can you talk a little bit about like what goes into you planning or doing a little, I mean, I don't know, what is it a skit that you make a reel on Instagram, A video on Instagram poking fun at something that, that came up. Use the Billie Eilish one because I thought that one was so funny. This not actress, she's a singer.

[Caitlin Scott]

Yeah.

[Jen Friesen]

You know, she got super famous because she won a big award and she said there's no one is illegal on stolen land. Okay. And then very quickly everybody figured out her 14 million dollar mansion was on indigenous land, of course. So you see that. Walk us through what do you do and like until you post the video, like what goes into that?

[Caitlin Scott]

Right? So taking what she said, no one's illegal on stolen land. And so now we're going to apply that logic to her land, which you know is in a gated community, has a 24, 7 security guard. She even has a restraining order against someone who showed up on her property. So under the logic of no one's illegal and stolen land, it should be a open house 24, seven. And yeah, so I just impersonate her and repeat those, those concepts.

[Jen Friesen]

So do you have to map it out? Like are you, do you just put your camera on and just kind of ad lib for yourself or do you, do you write it out?

[Caitlin Scott]

Okay, I'll have like, if I have time, I'll do like a few notes. But usually when I'm getting ready, I'll think of things and I'll listen to interviews of her. Like that one specifically because it helps me get her Voice and everything, too, and. And then listen to what she says, and then I do research on her home and all that stuff. And then, yeah, I just keep the camera going and I just ad lib a bunch of stuff, and then I watch it back and. And edit it together. Yeah.

[Jen Friesen]

So I know you're married. He was helping you with some tech support before you started, but do you have other people that you kind of have help you watch stuff that tell you if it's funny or not? Or do you just go off if you think it's funny?

[Caitlin Scott]

No, I show Josh, my amazing husband, who I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him. He inspired me to go and keep going, and he put the kids down for a nap, and like you said, he was my tech support before it started. So big shout out to him, but no, he's all I got. Sometimes if I. If I think something, like, might cross the line, I'm like, is this. Is this too far? And he's always the opposite. He's like, no, not at all. Maybe I need a better vetting system.

[Jen Friesen]

Yeah, totally. That's good. Well, and it's interesting because a lot of comedians have talked about how it's hard to do comedy these days if you go to a live show because people are so prone to this, like, cancel culture, getting offended thing. Right. If you watch. If you ever go on YouTube and watch these roasts with comedians where they know each other and they go research each other's backstories on things they say the most horrific effect, offensive things to each other, and it really is the culture of that nothing is supposed to be off limits and that you're supposed to have the freedom to say things that, yeah, they're offensive to people. And really, that's where the market decides who will succeed or not. It's like, are you actually funny? Were you just saying something to be rude? Then you're not, as, you know, you're not going to get famous off that.

[Caitlin Scott]

But, yes, and saying something to get the mob to, like, you, you know, live by the mob, you die by the mob.

[Jen Friesen]

Yeah. It's not gonna last long.

[Caitlin Scott]

Roasts are so funny to me. And that's exactly why, like, with Skillet, I got to roast them. And Danny Goki, like, that's my subtle roast, and it's funny. I sent it to Danny and I was like, I told Josh, I said, she didn't block me. He said to my. My questions, but he was like, I got there, and he said, roast me. He was like, Go for it.

[Jen Friesen]

Yeah. So how are you getting in front of. How does that work that you get in front of celebrities that are down to be. You're telling them, obviously, it's like a satirical thing. I mean, if you're. Or if you dress like Ms. Rachel, they know it's a funny thing. But how does that. Yeah, how does that. How do you organize that?

[Caitlin Scott]

No, I mean, it's 100% God opening doors and. And giving you favor because I just pop up on their scrolling and they think I'm funny, and then the rest is. Is history.

[Jen Friesen]

They follow you. You're like, dm, like, let me.

[Caitlin Scott]

Yes.

[Jen Friesen]

Come make funny.

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Yeah.

[Caitlin Scott]

Yeah, right.

[Jen Friesen]

Yes.

[Caitlin Scott]

And it was funny with Danny Goki and Skillet. They both happened to be coming on tour, like, within a few weeks of them following me. They were, like, gonna be in Pensacola, like, within the next few weeks. So it worked out great. They made time for me and we had a blast.

[Jen Friesen]

It's really good. Yeah. That's so fun. I'll ask you later to, like, tell me which, like, what your favorite ones are that we can put in our notes for people to go check out, because that'll be funny. Because again, I like the Billie Eilish ones the best. Or the Mr. Ones were so funny. Or I. We. You and I met at Ali Stuckey's. Share the arrows. And I think you did a. You did a little thing after that where you were like, what. When you're at the white supremacist conference or whatever, and it was just showing, like, rally.

[Caitlin Scott]

The.

[Jen Friesen]

What's that?

[Caitlin Scott]

The Nazi rally.

[Jen Friesen]

Right. And it was just like, you just see the sweetest, kindest people everywhere, just the most normal. It's like, duh. What liberals think is happening. Like the horror movies they have made in their head for what the right is doing is so crazy. If. If someone's listening and they're thinking they. They would want to engage in the arts, maybe it's right, but maybe it's something different. Maybe it's writing or maybe it's something similar to you doing some kind of social media or writing screenplays or. Like you said, you want to do an snl. That's not just stupid.

[Caitlin Scott]

Yes.

[Jen Friesen]

What. What's your advice to people? I mean, these days, can people go get educated in that way? Would you advocate more of, like, self education, finding a local community? What. What are good steps people should be doing?

[Caitlin Scott]

You know, that's a. That's a great question. There are a lot of Christian colleges that support the arts. I think theater is probably the trickiest one. But I would say, no matter where you go, don't compromise. So if you feel called to go to a certain college, just don't compromise. In college I was asked to, and there's many shows I auditioned for that I wouldn't never audition for ever. Or if I got the role, I would say, absolutely not, because you have to, you have to audition when you go there. But anyways, with that being said, I. There was a little showcase I was in that they said the gd, they took the Lord's name in vain. And I said, I, I won't do that. Like, and it wasn't even my line, but I was the scene partner and my friend was going to not do it for me. And we came to our professor and she cussed us out.

[Jen Friesen]

Right?

[Caitlin Scott]

Ironically, let me cuss at you. But my friend didn't say it anyway, so, I mean, a lot of theater professors have like this God complex to them and it's like, you know, you're their puppet and you have to just do whatever they say. That's not the case at all. If they want to flunk you out for not cussing, Praise God.

[Jen Friesen]

Yeah, right. That's good advice. We do just need a rise in Christian, conservative, independent, right leaning, whatever. People who are willing to write the screenplays, right. And then, you know, and then have good art and good stories and then people who like you said, have convictions that they're not gonna, I mean, one thing is like kissing or sex scenes and all that kind of stuff of people like even just kissing people you're not married to or if you're not married yet and just frivolously doing those things. A lot of people rightly feel convicted. They shouldn't be doing that. And so it's difficult if we want to tell good stories and you, you want there to be action and realism and different things. But how do you do it in a way that's not glorifying negative things and putting out there? But we need people leading those things. So people who are starting out have somewhere to go. There's a, a place called Taproot Theater in Seattle, which is, does more Christian ish kind of content or at the very least it's family friendly content. And so it's like that's one place in the Seattle area where people could go toward that. How many people can they hire at a time? You know, is it maybe 15, 20 people? You know, and that's, that's all they get. So it's, we need so Many more

[Caitlin Scott]

of those, but many more. And we need to write more, we need to act more, we need to audition more. We need to be a light. Because we've been bullied out of this space. Like, for example, the. The Radio City Rockettes. They dance with drag queens or Pride during Pride.

[Jen Friesen]

The Pride month. Yeah.

[Caitlin Scott]

The rainbow flag on the Playbill. All the whole month of June, they go to pride parades. Like

[Jen Friesen]

it.

[Caitlin Scott]

It's terrible. I actually shared one of Dylan Mulvaney's Our Friends. He created an Off Broadway show that was all about his trans journey, and it was complete and utter blasphemy. Like, it brought in Greece, and it was just horrendous. I didn't see it, but the clip he showed, I shared to my story. And I said, this is exactly why Christian conservatives need to create more art. Like, this is ridiculous. And I just shared it like that. He actually messaged me and said, and I quote, girl, give us Broadway, or girl, let us have Broadway. She was squirrel. My pronouns are squirrel. Girl, let us have Broadway. And I said, you know, isn't art meant to be for everyone, not just the liberal propaganda? And he blocked me.

[Jen Friesen]

Yeah.

[Caitlin Scott]

He's like, bye. Yeah, yeah. But it's just, you know, he said it right there. Give us Broadway. No, no, you don't own the gifts God gave me.

[Jen Friesen]

And.

[Caitlin Scott]

And I won't be forced to sin in order to use those gifts.

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

No.

[Caitlin Scott]

Yeah.

[Jen Friesen]

So good.

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Yeah.

[Jen Friesen]

Interesting. All right. Where can people find you? And you know what? Where should they. Can they DM you? Can they ask you for advice?

[Caitlin Scott]

Oh, my goodness. Of course. Always. You cannot find me on TikTok because I have been banned.

[Jen Friesen]

Oh, geez.

[Caitlin Scott]

Permanently.

[Jen Friesen]

Too offensive. TikTok's the worst. They hate us too.

[Caitlin Scott]

Yeah. Ms. Rachel was deemed hate speech. Yeah. AKA speech they hate. You know?

[Jen Friesen]

Yeah, right, Totally.

[Caitlin Scott]

So you can't find me on TikTok, but Instagram is primarily where I post. I'm also on Facebook, but Instagram is. Is where I live at, and it is white squirrel magic. That's awesome.

[Jen Friesen]

Okay, cool. So they can find you on Instagram. Yeah. We suggest everyone go, like, follow. And then, yeah, consider what you can do if you're interested in the arts. Writing screenplays, acting, making some satire, making videos, man on the street interviews, those sorts of things. I just noticed that you were at a. Some kind of conference where you with some other people that I recognize. Savannah was one of them, who's a gal who does pro life advocacy. So what kind of retreat sort of situation was. Was that? I don't know if you're allowed to say.

[Caitlin Scott]

That was so fun. That was with women for gun rights and women for gun safety. And we went to a place called Waft in near Orlando and we got trained in self defense. Ready? Come at me.

[Jen Friesen]

That's awesome. So it wasn't, it wasn't arts related. You were just with some of the

[Caitlin Scott]

folks that we recognized, right?

[Jen Friesen]

Yes. Yeah.

[Caitlin Scott]

Yes.

[Jen Friesen]

Cool. So. But it does kind of lead to. Another good point is probably find some of that community, right? Whether it's your, your screenwriters or writers, like, find some other conservative or Christian or independent people that you can have in your, in your community. And that would be a good way to start creating art together.

[Caitlin Scott]

It's so important. And just pray for God to send you friends that have the same values as you. And we, we just have to create more. Don't be bullied. It will be hard. The Bible, it's a biblical promise that we're going to be persecuted. And so don't let that deter you. When I, when I first started posting, you know, I got all the trolls and the terrible, hateful things and, and when you want to please God with all your heart and you're getting messages like, this is the reason I'm not a Christian is because of hateful things like you to know that that's not the truth. Like, you have to know the Word to know that that is a complete lie. The reason that person isn't a Christian isn't because of a Miss Rachel satire. It's because they are not dead to their sin.

[Jen Friesen]

They love.

[Caitlin Scott]

They love sin more than God. That is the reason if you get hundreds of, you know, I got terrible messages, you know, and I'm not special. It's anyone who creates satire for the glory of God or does anything for the glory of God, we're promised persecution. Early when I started posting, I read Ali Beth Stuckey's Toxic Empathy. And at the end I was like, oh, I'm good. I got this. But that is such a good resource. I recommend every Christian to read it, especially women, especially, you know, if you're not being persecuted, you're not doing anything. And it's not our goal to offend everyone and their grandma. The goal is not to offend. The goal is to speak the truth in love. And I'm a weird, funny person. That's how God made me. That's my, my medium is to choose satire. And, and a lot of Christians like to say that that's mean because I'm like making fun and I And I think there's a clear difference. I'm making fun of an idea. I never make fun of how someone looks. Like if I was saying so and so is fat, like, that's completely fruitless, unfruitful, terrible, sinful. But to point out, hey, maybe a toddler teacher in favor of Mamdani for mayor is whack.

[Representative Terry Jorgensen]

Yeah.

[Caitlin Scott]

And so that's, that's the difference there. Yeah.

[Jen Friesen]

That's awesome. All right. We're going to put those notes and resources in our show. Notes. Everyone can go find you but Caitlin. Ytsquirrelmagic on Instagram, thanks so much for your work and enduring all the, you know, some hostility to put some laughter and some truth back into the, into the atmosphere.

[Caitlin Scott]

Absolutely. Praise God. Thank you.