What is Visma & Vingegaard's Plan at This Tour? | TdF 2026 Stage 14 | THEMOVE

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Episode: What is Visma & Vingegaard's Plan at This Tour? | TdF 2026 Stage 14

Date: July 18, 2026
Host: Lance Armstrong, with Sir Bradley Wiggins, George Hincapie, and Spencer Martin

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Overview

In this episode, Lance Armstrong and his panel dissect a pivotal Stage 14 of the 2026 Tour de France, focusing on the strategies of Visma–Lease a Bike and Jonas Vingegaard, and the dominance of Tadej Pogačar. The crew also discusses the rise of cycling's next generation, particularly Paul Seychelles and Isaac Del Toro, and dives into broader topics like rider compensation, fan experiences, and predictions for the brutal upcoming week of racing.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tadej Pogačar's Dominance and Racing Style

• Stage 14 Performance:
  • Pogačar clinched his fourth stage win of the 2026 Tour, marking his 25th career Tour de France stage victory.
  • Lance Armstrong celebrates Pogačar's attacking mentality:
    "You're the best rider in the bike race, and if you want to go despite it all, then go, right? ... The kid is a champ, right? He's just a stone cold champ when it comes right down to it." (08:00–08:30)
• Fearless Racing Despite Pressure:
  • Noted how Pogačar doesn’t avoid risk or “do today things” even when advised otherwise, playing to the crowd's excitement.
  • French crowds and “Paul Seychelles factor” are adding spice to the atmosphere.
    "He's acknowledged that it's getting a little spicy. ... And he can't help himself. And I love, I love it." (00:00–01:00, 07:48–08:36)

2. Jonas Vingegaard and Visma's Strategy

• Tactics Under Scrutiny:
  • Debate over Visma's conservative approach, setting tempo mainly to secure second place rather than chase stage wins.
  • George Hincapie questions this tactic:
    "Second place is not that big of a deal. Like, why not go for stage wins? Why not let your lieutenants like Sepp Kuss go up the road and make the race more dynamic as opposed to just pulling for Tadej Pogačar?" (03:50–04:17)
• Possible Team Orders:
  • Lance and panel speculate Vingegaard may be riding under team instructions to play it safe and consolidate second on GC, especially with Remco Evenepoel looming as a time trial threat.
    (04:33–05:15)
• Limits of Vingegaard’s Condition:
  • Fatigue, physical limit, and lack of aggression cited as reasons behind Vingegaard “settling” during this Tour.

3. The Emergence of Paul Seychelles (and the Next Generation)

• Seychelles’ Breakout Ride:
  • At 19, becomes youngest in the white jersey and places fourth overall, dazzling the panel with his maturity and racing aggression.
  • Spencer Martin:
    "We've never seen anything like this. It's unbelievable... He feels like he's getting better every day." (09:08–10:21)
• Comparisons to Previous Generations:
  • Lance recalls there was never this kind of youthful surge during his era:
    "Paul Seychelles is coming with an entire country's worth of hopes and dreams on his back." (10:03–10:21)
• Stage Design and Fan Support:
  • Noted how route design amplified crowd size and energy, playing into Seychelles’ momentum.
    (10:44–11:21)

4. The Fight for the Podium

• Podium Battle Intensifies:
  • Isaac Del Toro pulls off a comeback to finish second; Remco Evenepoel hangs on despite being dropped, highlighting the contest for podium places remains wide open.

5. 'Move of the Day' Picks (11:30–13:10)

• Unanimous Choice: Paul Seychelles
  • Bradley Wiggins:
    "He's living up to the hype... He wasn't even born when you won your last Tour. It's phenomenal what he's doing." (11:52–12:18)
  • George Hincapie and Spencer Martin echo admiration for Seychelles and Del Toro’s performances.
• Insight: The panel is excited to watch Seychelles and Del Toro for years to come, seeing them as likely future Grand Tour winners.

6. Pogačar’s March Toward History (15:24–17:19)

• Chasing Records:
  • Discussed whether Pogačar could tie or break the record for most stage wins in a single Tour (current record: 8 by Eddy Merckx).
  • Analysis of his potential to surpass Mark Cavendish’s all-time stage win record.

7. Under-discussed Third Week Storylines & Wildcards

• Potential for Surprises:
  • The panel looks for “week three” stories—riders like Carapaz, Ben Healy, or Oscar Onley potentially making their mark.
  • Noted how third-week fatigue and time cuts will become crucial, especially with so much climbing left (22:30–23:49).

8. Preview of Stage 15 & Beyond

• Stage 15 Hardness:
  • Tomorrow's stage rates 94/100 on Spencer's “VVOM” hardness metric; much of the total Tour climbing yet to come.
  • A brutal 11.3km climb at 9% average gradient never before raced in the Tour.
    (25:05–26:09)
• Breakaway or GC Battle?
  • Panel suggests breakaways may struggle; Pogačar likely will go for another stage, with Carapaz or Ben Healy as outside picks.
    (27:07–29:30)
• Strategic Advice for Vingegaard:
  • Armstrong and Hincapie urge him to change tactics:
    "Sit at the back. Try something different. ... Let the race develop on its own." (29:39–29:43, 29:47–29:41)

9. Broader Issues: Rider Compensation in Pro Cycling (30:07–36:02)

• Audience Question: Why are pro cyclists so underpaid given the sport's risks and demands?
  (30:07–31:09)
• Armstrong’s Fiery Response:
  • Riders get less than 1–2% of Tour de France revenue; prize money hasn’t increased in decades despite soaring event profitability.
  • Lance: "These athletes now are not participating in that. That’s not right... I was also in a position at the time to help change that, and I did not do it. The athletes have to sort of stand up and say, listen, this has to change." (32:17–33:17)
• Barriers to Change:
  • No franchise/team equity model; lack of collective leverage; need for dialog, not boycott.
  • Armstrong: "If you own the Tour de France, you own the sport. So why not make this whole thing, all these ships rise, and there's a way to do it. There’s a way to cut the athletes in." (35:04–36:02)

10. Fan Interaction Anecdotes (36:09–40:29)

• Memorable Fan Moments:
  • The “Texas Bullhorn Guy” and rowdy Tour crowds both fondly and infamously remembered.
  • Wiggins’ story of being hit by a yellow flare and being covered in powder:
    "2012, I got a fan threw a yellow flare at me that had just been lit. ... It burnt my arm and I was covered in yellow powder." (37:21–38:04)
  • Lance recalls a positive time trial fan encounter on Alpe d’Huez.
    (39:27–40:29)

11. Audience Engagement/Trivia (41:38–43:03)

• Trivia: Origin of the Ballon d’Alsace’s status as first major Tour climb, and Bartholdi’s (Statue of Liberty) Alsace roots.

12. Notable Quotes & Moments

• "He's just a stone cold champ when it comes right down to it." (Armstrong on Pogačar, ~08:00)
• "At 19, he is now up into the white jersey... I think we can probably make a pretty good case that he's going to finish on the podium." (Armstrong, 09:08–09:20)
• "Second place is not that big of a deal. ... Why not go for stage wins?" (Hincapie, 03:50–04:17)
• "The athletes are pulling roughly 1% of the total revenues of ASO for this event, which is a beauty. That's not right." (Armstrong, 34:44–35:04)
• Bradley Wiggins’ charm: "He wasn't even born when you won your last Tour. ... The crowds are unbelievable. I mean, it's very believable, but it's phenomenal what he's doing." (11:52–12:18)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00–01:00 — Intro, crowd atmosphere, and Pogačar’s approach
• 02:09–03:50 — Visma tactics and Vingegaard’s predicament
• 05:16–09:20 — Paul Seychelles into the white jersey, youth surge
• 11:26–13:10 — Move of the day: unanimous nod to Seychelles
• 15:24–17:19 — Pogačar’s possible record stage-winning spree
• 22:30–23:49 — Only halfway done with Tour’s climbing by Stage 14
• 25:05–29:30 — Stage 15 preview: a brutal new Alpine test
• 30:07–36:02 — Rider compensation in cycling: deep dive
• 36:09–40:29 — Most memorable fan encounters
• 41:38–43:03 — Tour trivia and historic climbs
• 43:03–end — Final thoughts, trivia answer, and tomorrow’s outlook

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Takeaways

• Visma & Vingegaard’s Plan: Defensive, perhaps too conservative; panel urges a switch to bolder racing, as second place seems a foregone limit.
• Pogačar’s Unassailable Form: Dominance and charisma are reshaping the race and records book; “stone cold champ.”
• New Stars: Paul Seychelles and Isaac Del Toro are ushering in a new era; podium and even future Tour contention likely.
• Brutal Road Ahead: More than 50% of the climbing still to come; the third week promises drama, fatigue, and possible shakeups.
• Riders Are Underpaid: Armstrong & crew call for structural reform, team equity, and a bigger share of the financial pie for racers.
• Memorable Fans: Tour remains a spectacle for fans and riders alike—both uplifting and occasionally wild.

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For New Listeners

This episode is essential for anyone wanting to understand the shifting power dynamics at the 2026 Tour, the future of pro cycling’s youth, and the unresolved economic challenges facing the sport today. The panel’s insider anecdotes and lively debate make it engaging and insightful—even if you missed the race itself.

Transcript

[A]

And I think the Paul Seychelles factor is starting to play here with, with the French crowds, with the crowds on the side of the road. He's acknowledged that it's getting a little spicy. So today is a perfect day where he could have said, you know, let me. Today's a day where I shouldn't do as today. I shouldn't do today things. He can't help himself. And I love, I love it. You're the best rider in the bike race and. And if you want to go despite it all, then go. Right? And so I give him a lot of credit for that. And the kid is a champ, right? He's just. He's just a stone cold champ. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the Move podcast. Lance Armstrong joined by sir Bradley Wiggins and Mr. Georgine Kepi, who is still morning. Still in the Hurt Locker with this tooth. We just, we just had a little. A little sliver of hope.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

With a dentist down in Glenwood Springs. Bobby Julick's hometown.

[B]

Yep, that's right. I go. I'll go say hi to his peeps.

[A]

Might get a little relief tonight. And the professor, Spencer Martin just. Let's do this first. Ellen, what we do, let's get this

[C]

out of the way.

[A]

Where we go today, Ellen? Stage 14 From Mulu's to Le Marsta fairing. I mean from Milo's to Lemarsta failing. That's how a French guy says. Sort of a German. Yes.

[D]

Yeah, it's pretty good though. It's good. Pretty good.

[A]

Look up daddy Poguchar. Just doing today things. His fourth stage win of the 2026 Tour. His 25th overall stage win. Just making it look easy,

[E]

I guess.

[A]

Bradley, I'm going to go to you first. I mean, we wanted to have Johan on. He was out on a long ride,

[D]

but we not confirmed.

[A]

That's speculation. He is out training and we just knew he would not have any filter when it comes to Jonas Angergaard. But instead he's not here. So instead I'm going to go to Sir Bradley Wiggins. Bradley.

[F]

What?

[A]

I just. Look, I know these guys have to do something. They have to try something. They have to to ride their race. But I don't understand. I mean, just to set tempo we had, we were sitting there speculating what's. And then just to set Toddy up like that.

[F]

Yeah, look, I have to say I thought that was the most exciting stage

[A]

of the race so far.

[G]

Good.

[F]

Yeah, good. With Jonas, look, I actually thought he looked better than he has done with some of the other Climbing stages in this race. We're two weeks in now. I, I think he's running out of options as to what he can do. It's a very different approach. Tade this. Sorry Jonas year to last year when he was in second overall. And I do feel like he responds better when it's a constant pace as opposed to these. Especially on these tougher climbs. And I think there is an element of him consolidating second on gc. So when Remco was getting dropped, you know, Remco is a danger to him in that time trial coming up on Tuesday for the second spot overall. So that, you know, he's. He's running out of. He's left with very few options when he's in that position because we all know what Taddy's going to do. And he probably knew what Taddy was going to do. And I thought he. He consult. You know, he limited his losses pretty well when Tade did go at that one stage, but he soon ran out of legs. We saw that in the finish straight where he got distance yet again in the sprint. And I think it is a. He's limited by. Physically by what he can do in this race. A bit of fatigue setting in. Maybe not as good as he was last year. Gyro fatigue, volta fatigue. I mean, there's a lot to consider. But he's. It still is battling on George.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I would. I would disagree in the sense that I think he is maybe even better than last year, but Poacher is even better than he's ever been. I'd like to see sort of different tactics. Like, I don't think a guy like Jonas, he's won the Tour de France already. Like, second place is not that big of a deal. Like, why not go for stage wins? Why not let your lieutenants like Sep Kus go up the road and make the race more dynamic as opposed to just pulling for Tade Porkichar. Like, to me, that doesn't make any sense at all.

[A]

Now. He, He. I mean, to your point, he was. Remco was getting dropped. So if it is this. If he's, you know, despite what George thinks he should do. I mean, I'm. By the way, I'm with you too. Like, you've won the Tour.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You've won other grand Tours. Who cares about.

[F]

But maybe he.

[A]

But. But by the way, maybe he cares.

[F]

Is he. Is he making these calls himself or has he been told to do this?

[A]

Well, this is why I wanted Johan.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

On.

[A]

But I also understand Secret training, my

[B]

guess is being told to do.

[A]

Yeah, I would think so. I get all of this. Like, he, that is a tempo that suits him better, a more consistent sort of, you know, 8 out of 10 tempo. But he's also getting, probably hearing that Remco is getting dropped. So if he is thinking about consolidating second, then, then he says, look, I've got to, I've got to keep him distanced. Now, Remco did a, did a decent job of coming back, by the way. It's also worth noting Team UAE again first and second.

[B]

Right.

[A]

With Isaac Del Toro getting second, who also wrote a hell of a stage, got dropped, came back, and then ended up finishing second on the stage.

[D]

I mean, I guess we should say, yeah, what, what is the function of second place? So it's, it's important to couch this with. Yes, he was distancing Remco. That's important because Remco is good at time trialing. Will Remco even be in the ballpark tomorrow? I guess we don't know. But why does Jonas care about second? Should it be riding more like Tom Pidcock? Like, why not jump in the early move? Like, what does he really care?

[A]

I don't think he's not gonna, I don't think that's in the car.

[F]

He's kind of in no man's land at this rate.

[B]

But use your guys. Like, I mean, I don't know, may not be feeling great right now, but Sepkus, he's looking better and better. Like, send him up the road. Let's, let's go for stage wins. Let's build some more, like, ambiance and, and, you know, get the momentum going on the team and that'll change everything. Like, as opposed to just riding there, riding for a second or, or pulling for the guy in the yellow jersey.

[G]

I don't know.

[B]

It just doesn't make that much.

[D]

The problem Jonas has now is not Tada. He's going to lose to Tada, if we're being honest.

[B]

No, He's.

[D]

He lost 10 seconds to Paul. Success. He lost 12 seconds to Isaac Del Toro today. Like, what happened at the end there?

[B]

Well, he did all the work. I mean, he pretty much pulled the last 15k, but he didn't have to.

[A]

Exactly.

[D]

Yeah, you're right.

[A]

This is showing 6. But, but plus the, that with the time.

[D]

Okay. Time bonus.

[A]

Fair point.

[D]

Yeah. And like, those guys looked amazing.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

So then what's going to happen? We get to harder climbs. I, I, yeah, I don't know. He Seemed. George, you said this. He seemed surprised at the end when they were sprinting. He was like, well, where are you guys going? Why are you doing this? He's asking Del Toro to pull through.

[B]

He kind of looked around like, why are you guys going? You're right.

[D]

Yeah. You just kind of wonder about the race awareness a little bit. Has he ever been in this position? Because if you think about his whole career, he's either been the best in the race, like a Walter, or. Or the second best and only had to worry about one person. Is he a bit befuddled by having multiple people that are also good? Like, this isn't allowed, what's going on here?

[B]

Yeah. And I think even just watching Paul Seychst's team today, like, setting, like trying to set up an early fast tempo at the bottom, they seem to be more and more confident as they're getting closer to the Alps and getting closer to the hardest pace part of the race. So I think he's. He's more on the up right now than Jonas is.

[A]

And I will say about. Let me just talk about today for a second, because this.

[F]

This is.

[A]

Today is a perfect day, right, for him to. And it has been covered. And. And he has even acknowledged that. That.

[F]

And.

[A]

And I think the Paul Seychelles factor is starting to play here with. With the French crowds, with the crowds on the side of the road. He's acknowledged that it's getting a little spicy. So today is a perfect day where he could have said, you know, let me. Today's a day where I shouldn't do it as today. I shouldn't do today things. He can't help himself. And I love. I love it. You're the best rider in the bike race, and if you want to go despite it all, then go, right? And so I give him a lot of credit for that. And the kid is a champ, right? He's just a stone cold champ when it comes right down to it. And you put a number on his back, whatever motivates him. He just said, I'm going. And I don't care what anybody says.

[B]

And

[A]

I appreciate that. I really do. And speaking of other moves, Paul Seychelles into the white jersey. That's one we should. We should talk now. He's up into the white. Juana, you saw, had a rough day as these guys are starting to get distanced. He was clearly swinging, he was clearly in trouble. God forbid he not look at the profile for tomorrow's finish climb. But this kid, Paul Seychelles, I mean, this is 19 years old. What did you say Spencer, two years younger than the second youngest person in the bike race.

[D]

Unbelievable.

[A]

Is now up into the white jersey and is now, you know, I mean, sitting in fourth. But I think we can probably make a pretty good case that he's going to finish on the podium.

[D]

We've never seen anything like this. It's. It's unbelievable. It's. It is unbelievable. Bradley, this is a good use of that word. But, I mean, what are. I. I was excited. I loved this stage. I thought the stage design was great with the steep ramp and then going into the rollers. It's not so obvious how you play it, what you do, and then, you know, Tad is winning. But, like, that's going to happen. Right. Especially on this type of stage. But I was thrilled watching success and Del Toro, like, I think that's the future. We're look. We are looking at like, Lance, was there ever when you were winning Tours? Jan, obviously, is very good, was a great rival, but I never remember the feeling of like, oh, there's a swell of another generation coming up. That's going to be a problem soon.

[A]

So it's a little younger below, a little younger, but not with. I mean, look, Paul Seychaus is coming with an entire country's worth of hopes and dreams on his back. Like you, as nobody had that. You know when that's coming.

[D]

And he feels like he's getting better every day.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

Like today.

[A]

Well, this was the question, right. He's now into unchartered territories. He's never raced a bike consecutively. You asked as we were watching this, the. The race today has. Do you think Paul Seychelles has ever done a bike race that had a rest day? Well, the answer is no. Yeah, well, he's about to have a second one, so even more unchartered territory.

[F]

He's. He.

[A]

And he's looking better and better.

[F]

Yeah, yeah. He's in the white jersey.

[A]

And I will say, I mean, you know, however, ASO did lay out this course with yesterday's stage not being that far from today's stage. Even today's stage passing nearby kind of itself throughout the day, that the crowds are fantastic. I bring this up because, I mean, Paul Seychelles is the. Is the beneficiary there.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

These are his people. Now, there's a lot of international people, man. These are his people.

[D]

A lot of Germans out today, too, because it's close to Germany, big Lipowitz contingent. But I thought that it was a big loop kind of, because they passed the finish early in the stage. Really smart. Design for maximizing the crowds.

[B]

Yeah, there was crowds even on the descents. Big, big crowds. Yeah, in the descents, which we don't really see very often.

[A]

It is that time of day. Let's talk about the move of the day.

[E]

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[A]

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[E]

Go ahead.

[F]

Well, I'm going to go for Paul Seychelles because, you know, whereas we said he's got a weight of a nation on his shoulders, he's living up to the hype. He's coming into the Tour de France now. The unknown. He's 19. I mean, he wasn't even born when you won your last Tour. It's phenomenal what he's doing. You know, I won't say it's unbelievable, because that's getting used a lot. The crowds are unbelievable. I mean, it's very believable, but it's phenomenal what he's doing.

[D]

Did you know his first memory of the Tour de France is Froome running on Von.

[F]

Really?

[D]

That doesn't feel that long ago.

[F]

Amazing.

[A]

That's too bad.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm gonna go with Paul 6s as well. According to your VBO, whatever that thing is, today was the hardest stage of the Tour de France thus far, and he did not back down one bit. I mean, he was right up there, caught back up to Jonas. Incredible ride by him. Was. Was very happy at the finish line smiling. So I think he's just even more motivated for what's to come in the next week.

[D]

Well, mine, Isaac Del Toro, he got popped. I mean, he looked in trouble on the climb, and then he came back.

[A]

He got second on the day and looked good.

[D]

He looked good.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

It's not. It's going to be a battle for this podium. I'm excited because it's not going to be. We don't lock Jonas in for second. This is going to be a fight.

[F]

That's the race of the Tour right there. Yeah, Isn't it?

[D]

In the race of the future, in some respects. I think you're going to be watching Del Toro and 6oz go at it for A long time.

[A]

They don't have to improve that much.

[D]

No, right.

[A]

A del Toro or Seychelles, I mean, it's, you know, and this is the case for any high level professional sport. Right. 1, 2%. You're there. Like these are not 10 gains. Where you're looking at these kids going, boy, this is years away. These are 1 or 2 percenters and they're right there. Yeah, right. And so. But I would have picked Pulsacias too. So I guess I was wrong. I guess we all picked same person. Hell of a ride. Also today, brought to you by Ekoi, we're looking at the R2 carbon helmet. During today's stage in the Vogue, you probably noticed one of Equoi's latest innovations in action. The brand new Equoi Racing R2 carbon helmet. The R2 carbon is great for mountain stages since it was specifically developed for climbers and riders who demand the perfect balance of lightweight performance, cooling and aerodynamics, especially during the long, hot mountain climbs we saw today. So if you want to take advantage for your own riding and racing, scan the flow code on the screen, check out the link in the show notes, or simply head to ekoi ekoi.com to get yours today. Also, Kenneon, we're excited that for this year's show to be partnered with Kenion's Move plus, of course, do not confuse that with Spencer and Johan show, which you should also check out. Hopefully Johan's back from his bike ride so he can do that show today. After decades of racing and training, aches and pains are just part of the deal. Knees, joints, all of it. That's the price of admission for the time spent riding and running. The thing I really like about it, it's not some surface level fix. It uses targeted light therapy to get deep into the muscles and joints, right where the pain actually lives. George has been having it on his tooth the last four or five days. And since it's so easy to carry around, I can use it anywhere. Even when I'm traveling, I'll just throw it on as I'm checking my emails, having coffee in the morning. And since the Move plus just makes it easy to do at home, there's no appointments and no hassle. Use the code. The move for $50 off or go to Kenon IO. Slash. The move.

[D]

Sorry, that was that.

[A]

Did I just hit your cable? Yeah, still works.

[D]

2020 fifth career. Did we say that?

[A]

2020 fifth. Fourth of this tour. 25th of his tour career. You think he's gonna.

[D]

Well, Bradley and I should.

[A]

We Just give him the 26th tomorrow, by the way. Not a bad time trials either.

[D]

Bradley and I were just having fun going through the rest of the course. So let's say it's assuming wins tomorrow. So that's five for this tour. 26. Let's just say he wins the time trial just for fun. So seventh, 27. He could win three more stages after that.

[A]

Okay, then what? All right, well, what is the record for stage wins in one tour?

[D]

I mean, some of these get a little goofy because it'd be like, yeah, it was 15 stages and one guy won 14. But in the.

[A]

Well, that's in the modern era.

[D]

I mean, it probably would be a sprinter.

[B]

Right.

[F]

Have won 6 1U.

[B]

Did he? I feel like he did. Yeah.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

Mark Cavendish holds the alt. No, that's all done in a single, I'm sure. Because Cab did win six one year.

[B]

Yeah, sure, he totally did. Yeah.

[D]

Well, Pagacha won six recently. Two years ago. They are Freddie Martens that he.

[A]

He won maybe eight in one tour.

[B]

In one he won like 15. I mean, that's welter too, I think.

[D]

Yeah, he did like win almost over half the stages.

[A]

Well, then that's in jeopardy. Yeah, you have to think that's in jeopardy.

[D]

He probably won't win the time trial and probably the second Alpha west stage is tricky because it's a. It's a funky day that probably favors a breakaway. Paris is tricky, but it's fun to imagine because he would win in the second last year. Was he second or no, he got

[A]

caught in the setup.

[D]

But would he know is probably the last rider to win in Paris in the yellow jersey. So that would be. Obviously he would want to do that. He could be looking at. He could. Let's say he has 28 wins coming out of this Tour. Like he's not that far off Cab

[F]

and he gave one away. Yeah,

[A]

let's. We have to talk about Remco. Of course he was. He was dropped today. He did come back. This guy, this guy, this guy hangs out. I'll give him this. I mean, he hangs in there. I mean, as we were watching, I'm like, oh, there it is. That's it. There goes his podium. That's. And he just comes back. Right. And I don't know if.

[B]

Let's not forget he's been world champion time trialist for how many years in a row? I mean, the guy can gauge.

[F]

Yeah, I think he's very good.

[B]

Better than anybody else.

[F]

He's very good at judging his efforts A to B. As Fast as possible and never really going to the point where he explodes.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Knowing that today had what, 9km after the top to the finish, which was not downhill. Was. Had a little downhill and then was basically flat to the finish.

[B]

You see how strong he finishes too. Like, not only does he catch back up to the group ahead of him, but he out sprints them with ease.

[A]

Look, I mean, to his credit, they take the time at the finish line.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. So, you know, as we're watching this, we comment on it and sort of question, oh, here it is. That's it. It's over. And the. And the commentators on TV say it, but the time stops at the finish line.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Tomorrow might be.

[D]

You'd worry on a day where there's multiple huge mountains. Yeah, I mean, this has been an issue in the past. You get dropped in the first big mountain of the day, and then. And then 20 seconds is not bridgeable, then you're in trouble. Eddie Merckx won eight stages in a single tour two times. Two separate times. Holy smokes. But that is the record eight. So that could be coming down, though, or at least tied. We'll see.

[F]

The other.

[A]

The other thing I think is worth just kind of as we start or we're. It feels like we're starting or, you know, in the next day or two, starting the third week, every tour in the third week, kind of these stories develop. We talked about this from one of the callers yesterday with Oscar Onley. I mean, Oscar Onley was a week three story. Like, it's. I. I want to watch this. Like, what. What is our week three story? There's gotta be something here. I mean, I thought Carapaz wrote a hell of a race. We were sort of internally debating, you know, he's such a good bike racer. He's an Olympic champion. He's, you know, he's won other big races. He wrote a hell of a race today. Like, is. Is he gonna keep trying? Is. He was up there with Ben Healy. Ben Healy was a week three story last year. And so what is it like?

[F]

Let's just, I think say chess is the. Is the week three story.

[A]

Oh, what. I mean, a bit hell of a. But I think there's multiple stories. Right? These are all story lines.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Agreed with that both times.

[B]

Carapace was in the break too. Like, he would have won had just one team not decided that they wanted to keep it close.

[D]

Yeah, well, today was a little bit different because UAE was not pulling on the final climb.

[B]

It was decathlon, but they kept it within, you know, they kept it where the sharks can smell the blood.

[D]

Well, basically on purpose.

[B]

Right.

[D]

So then decathlon would do it and then they would. Yeah, but I mean, I kind of think Carapaz is. If you think someone's going to win a stage of the third week, it's probably Carapaz.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

Another thing to watch with these stages as this race drags on and guys are getting tired because we had. We got close today. Time cut. Time cut. Discussion becomes an issue. Some guys, I think everybody snuck in,

[D]

but one guy got cut.

[A]

One guy got time. Yeah.

[D]

Anthon Charming, he was in the breakaway a couple days ago. That stinks.

[A]

That's not charming.

[D]

Unox.

[A]

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[A]

audio and we are back. Before we get into the stage 15 preview, the professor over here just told me something on break that halfway through today's stage. Now, keep in mind, it's Friday. No, wait, it's like it's actually Saturday.

[F]

Saturday.

[A]

Jeez, even I'm tired, worn out. But it's Saturday, so that means we have roughly a week to go. Halfway through today's stage, the Tour had only done 52% of the climbing, 52% of the vertical climbing it's potentially the

[D]

hardest third week they've ever had.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it's hard. I try not to. And I'm, I don't know where the riders, they probably do look ahead. I don't really look ahead. Um, that's amazing. I mean, this is, I mean, the time cut actually didn't, does start to become a problem for some of these. If you're barely making it now and you've only climbed half of the tour and you got the other half in the final week and you're tired and it's hot, that's. This is gonna be a hell of a week.

[F]

Yeah.

[G]

Hell of a week.

[F]

I mean, I was just thinking then, what, what are the, what are the predictions for, for the winning margin of Tad in a week's time? Plus 10, 10 minutes plus. Do you think?

[D]

10 minutes?

[A]

I don't think he lets that happen.

[D]

Like on, On Next Bets, NXT bets.com bet outcomes. You can see they have like a running tally of us and the, the, it was like plus 120 for five to seven minutes. And then seven or more minutes was, was negative. So like minus 1:50, which would mean that's the preferred outcome by the book. But I don't know. I, I, I don't know. I mean, he is taking a minute every time he stands up, which would suggest it could be pretty big. But I, I wonder if we'll see more defensive racing on the final two stages.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And you, you see, you see it from the interviews of the riders that are getting second, third, fourth. They're not even talking about poker anymore. They're where they were in terms of like, who's in second, who's in third. Like, it's, they're not even mentioning him. So I think a lot of teams like Visma, you'd think tonight they'd go back to the drawing board and go, you know what, let's just race. Like we're either going to try to win a stage or race like Jonas knows how to race when he's leading a big Grand Tour, which is attacking instead of riding tempo, for Jonas to try to distance himself from third and fourth and fifth to try to get a buffer there in this final week. I would, I would think, hmm, let's

[A]

look at stage 15. And yesterday Spencer revealed he, he has this other index that none of us knew about until yesterday called the vvom, which is basically a, some sort of algorithm that tells you the hardest stages of the Tour. Today's stage was up until this point the hardest stage of the Tour, I think it was 84 on the VVO.

[D]

83.

[A]

It's out a single number now, tomorrow's stage, which you can. If you're watching the show, you can see on screen is a vvom. I just love this. Of 93.

[D]

I think you said 94.

[A]

94.

[F]

Wow.

[D]

So 11 points higher of the hardest stage so far. And it's not even the hardest stage of the tour.

[A]

Nearly 4, 000 meters again. Yet again of total vert. Really looks never flat. I mean, you look at that profile and you're like, there's just nowhere to chill. Interesting early intermediate sprint like we had today, which, of course was won by Phillipson on a big climb, not a flat one. Patterson did get second, further solidifying his. His green jersey. But here's. Here's the story of. Here's the tale of the tape for tomorrow. Let's go to the final climb. Nasty. 11.3 kilometers at 9% average. There are pieces early on. 10. 10.1, 11.1, 11.3. Ouch.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

And not a short day. 184 kilometers. You know, it's not. 155.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, this is. And. And all that to say there. There's your 94 on the. On the hardness meter.

[D]

Never done that climb in the Tour before.

[A]

Interesting.

[D]

So, brand new climb. Did it in the Dofine earlier this year. Isaac del Toro one. They did it in the Dofine three years, four years ago. And Jonas beat Primus Ruglic on it. But, yeah, never been in the Tour. It's a hard climb. I mean, you think Alpe to as is. 8% average. That's a higher. And it's still long at 11K. I mean, I'm gonna say right now maybe this is getting out over my skis a bit. I think Remco could have a hard time coming back on that one if he gets dropped. Yeah, it's not a good climb for him.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Also, if you've noticed, that's a different mountain range than we are in today. That's in the Alps, and they're not in the Alps. So that's a long transfer they have to do in between mountain stages, which is like, Geneva's not. Like, if you've ever lived in Kolmar and the Alsace, you're nowhere near Geneva. Like, that's a long drive they have to do.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Not fun.

[B]

Not fun.

[D]

And then they get to do that. Good times.

[A]

Well,

[B]

all right.

[D]

Who's your pick for the win? George?

[B]

Tomorrow I Think we're gonna see the usual suspects going in the breakaway, but it all depends on what UAE wants to do. I. I can imagine Carapace will go again. Pickax will probably try to go again. You know who else has been in the breakaway lately?

[A]

Ben Hilly was in there today.

[B]

Ben Healy's been going maybe getting better and better, hopefully by the day. But I mean, look at that start. That. That start. Really, if we go back to that profile, I think like, team, like little track will really want to go for that bonus sprint because it's on an uphill climb. It's hard. Which Maddie Peterson, that will favor him more than a guy like Philipson and being in grammar. So I don't know. I think they're going to make it, try to keep it together for that first 15, 17k for him to win that sprint, and then that'll make it easier for, like, the really good climbers to get in the break. We're in the next climb.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Did have. Did have storms today. I don't know what the forecast, if

[B]

that's sort of like start.

[A]

Yeah, it was raining a few times today. They got some pretty serious rain. I'm sure they were welcoming that at this point. There is the transfer. So maybe we're getting to a different part where the weather system is different.

[D]

But, yeah, I don't see any rain in the forecast. Hot. Not that hot. Okay. 70s.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

So we're finally back.

[B]

It's got to feel good.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Normal what they've been through.

[D]

The problem is a breakaway could lose on that climb. Yeah, it was five minutes on an easy group.

[F]

Yeah, easy.

[A]

So at this point in the tour.

[D]

Yeah, I probably not would go. I would. I mean, there's probably. If it's not breakaway, there's one.

[A]

Tate's winning.

[B]

Yeah, they. They know the guy, the next guy that was in the breakaway said he spoke to Tade before the start. He's like, you think the breakaway will go? And Tati's like, I don't think so. Like, maybe not. Which means he's going for the stage one. So I think they'll. So let me know already tomorrow to start.

[A]

That's a hell of a scoop.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We're 31 minutes into the show, and he comes with a scoop from a rider who had taught a whispering in his ear at the start. And we're 31 minutes in.

[F]

Yeah, I. I think it'll be the same tomorrow as well.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

I can't see today not going for this stage.

[A]

Like I said, at this point, just do It.

[D]

The big question is, what does Jonas do? Like, is he going to be leading Tad out going into that climb? Like, get on my wheel, buddy. I'm gonna launch.

[B]

You can't do that.

[A]

Cannot do that.

[B]

I think he's got to start racing more aggressively against the guys that are behind him. Give me an opposite, you know, trying to ride them off the wheel like started. He knows how to attack. He's done it.

[F]

The back. Sit at the back.

[A]

Just sit at the back.

[F]

Try something different.

[A]

Yes. Yes.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Or no. He can't do that. No. Just sit at the back. Let the race. Let it. Let it develop on its own. Or you have. Anyways, let's take some calls. Again, the call in. Number every day, same number. Give us a shout if you want to leave a voicemail. 970-718-2736. Caller number one.

[E]

Hi, this is Mark from Minnesota. Ride for the roses class of 2001. My question is, given cycling's global popularity, the extraordinary sacrifice in travel the sport demands, and the very real risk of serious injury or death, professional cyclists seem significantly underpaid. If you could change one aspect of the sport to improve rider compensation, what would it be? Thanks a lot. Really enjoy the show.

[A]

Bart from Minnesota. That's a loaded question that. That is almost. It's a great question, and we have spent numerous episodes talking about this, and I'm not sure that in this particular segment of the show is the time to get into it, but it's a great question. And. And all I'll say is we are. Spencer and I especially have been pulling stuff together to have this discussion. Now we got to find a day we might have missed, might have. Should have done it on some of these boring days two or three days ago. But it's. It in. It has to be addressed right. And it's not being addressed right. So what.

[D]

What would.

[A]

And the beauty of cycling is. Yes, it is. The Tour de France is one of the most marquee events in the world. It just is. You can't deny that it is up there with the World Cup. It is up there with Wimbledon. It's up there with Augusta. It's what's up. You know, it's that. So there are comps when it comes to these events, and there are comps when it comes to these athletes. And this peloton that you're all watching and that we are watching is failing miserably when it comes to those comps. Now, you said something really important in your question. You said risking your life because it's true. Nobody's going to die at Wimbledon final. Nobody's going to die tomorrow in the World cup final. But these kids are risking their life, not just on the men's side, but also on the women's side. And so that is a whole nother layer of consideration. I want to sort of park the full answer because I do think we'll get to this. We pulled the comps from the other sports. We talked about this in the past. Look, Tati Poguchar is going to win the Tour de France. The prize money for him winning the Tour DE France in 2026 is going to be no different than me winning the Tour de France in 2005.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Is a joke. That's a joke. Now here's the reality. You might say, well, maybe nobody's making money, okay? That is not true. The family and the Tour and ASO are making hundreds. Okay, Write that down. Hundreds of millions of dollars. These athletes now are not participating in that. That's not. That's not right. That's not fair. Last thing I'll say, and this is one thing I would say to Tade, he is in a position to help change that. I was also in a position at the time to help change that, and I did not do it. The athletes have to sort of stand up and say, listen, this has to change. Right. I mean, what do we think that the athletes from this year's tour, in terms of total revenue of ASO, what goes to the athletes is somewhere around 1 or 2%.

[D]

Oh, yeah, maybe. I mean, we had a smart person who works in the industry tell us a percent.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

In an email. We should say, too. The difference between. I know there was like, Wimbledon was in the news for this lately, but Wimbledon's profits all go back to the Lawn Tennis association, which is a grassroots basically, just like runs, kids tennis camps in the UK. It's like a fantastic organization. ASO's profits go back to.

[A]

Yeah, we know.

[D]

Who knows what. It's just like private income.

[A]

And listen, that's fine. It's their race and they've got it set up. However, this race doesn't happen with. With the. With the players, with the athletes, with the cyclists. We could keep. Again, it's a great question. It deserves maybe an entire episode. The structure, right? The structure of the sport. We have so many smart guys in the sport that want to have essentially have a franchise.

[F]

That.

[A]

That is not. There is no franchise here. There is no equity. You do not own anything once your sponsorship dries up or runs out or you get sick of paying for it. See in the douches, right. There is nothing to continue with that also should be addressed again, I think this is an entire episode. We've talked about it forever. The numbers don't lie. Right. If the athletes are pulling roughly 1% of the total revenues of ASO for this event, which is a. Which is a beauty. That's not right. And so. Now you got me heated.

[D]

They have no lever, though. That's the problem. They need some sort of lever.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Because the teams, they have, like, nothing to bargain with at the moment.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Anyways, got me riled up. Got me.

[E]

Really.

[A]

Do you notice that?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[F]

Do you agree? I do agree.

[A]

Okay, thank you.

[D]

Maybe you host like lantern.

[F]

We've been talking about it all.

[A]

I know it's.

[B]

Yeah, well, been talking about it for years. A lot of people have been talking about it.

[A]

Look, and there's no. There's no point in going to ASO and saying, all right, we're going to boycott or, you know, we're going to do something extreme. Now. It needs to be a dialogue. It needs to be a conversation. And. And what I would urge, like, if I had a private room with the family. Let's be real. This is the family that owns the race. If I had a private room, I would say, listen, you own the sport. I know you might. You obviously own the Tour de France, but if you own the Tour de France, you own the sport. So why not make this whole thing. All of these ships rise, and there's a way to do it. There's a way to cut the athletes in. There's a way to create a structure where there's team equity and there's actual team owners, I think so.

[B]

Next call.

[A]

Bart, I hope I got parts of your answer right there, but. All right now. Second caller. Second caller.

[E]

Hey, fellows. Ben here in Boulder, Colorado, by way of Hackney in London. My question for you guys is, what is the most memorable interaction you've ever had with an overly enthusiastic fan on the side of the road? Positive or negative? Cheers, lad. Love the show. Keep up the good work.

[A]

Where's one of your people?

[F]

Yeah, that's. That's a good question. But racking my brains,

[B]

we always had the guy with the football helmet.

[A]

Most memorable interaction you ever had with a fan? I think I've told mine on this show before. I may have to tell it again because it is the one that sticks out. George, you keep thinking you gotta have something.

[F]

Yeah, the.

[B]

The Texas Bullhorn guys that Always came the tour for five, six years in a row. And then he came, started going off Paris or Bay tour of California.

[A]

Yeah, you'd, like glue the horns on top of a football helmet and then wear football jersey.

[B]

Yeah, football jersey with, like, your name on it.

[A]

Well, I'll tell you what, some could run, too, in the middle of nowhere. I think Liz actually picked up his. Picked up his, like, his helmet thing one time, and she was like, oh, my God. You put this on your head and you run with these guys. Like, it must have been a beast.

[F]

The only one I could think of where. Which was quite annoying at the time was. And she. 2012, I got a fan through a yellow flare at me that had just been lit. So I. I kind of. It burnt my arm and I was covered in the yellow powder that comes off the flare. So I came out of this smoke and I was just. I was caked in yellow. About 20k to go. And that was quite. I burnt my arm. That was. That was the thing that I remember the most about it was it's just been lit and thrown into the front of the bunch. And I guess it was for the wrong reasons, because at that time, sky were getting booed a little bit, certainly in the third week. So. Yeah, I mean, I do remember one occasion riding behind you in Montvon, too. And I think you had urine thrown over you at one point.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That would have not been the only time that that happened. You're Ryan.

[F]

So just.

[A]

So since Ben is clearly British and he's in Boulder, it's a lot polder. But if it wasn't. If he wasn't British, you would have said urine, Pete. You're right.

[F]

What would you want to meet yet? Urine is incorrect.

[A]

No, I got you.

[F]

Yeah. All right.

[A]

My most memorable one, and I've told this numerous times, so if you've heard

[F]

it before, I had urine on the brain as well, because we, me and my son Ben were in the supermarket yesterday. Now he's got two bike bags with him that I. I insist stay on the balcony because his dog at home urinates on his bike bags constantly. It's like his place of. So the bags reek. And we were in the supermarket yesterday and there's a urine, like a spray that you can get that kills the smell of urine, pungent smell of urine. And we bought that. So I got. I just see this bottle every morning. It says urine.

[A]

Whatever it is, you know that's right. That's.

[D]

That's.

[A]

That's gross. It's too. It's both gross and kind of sweet. I mean, the dog is pissing on the. The, the bike bags because he doesn't want Ben to leave. He associates that with Ben.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

Leaving.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[F]

That's interesting.

[A]

That's very sweet.

[D]

It's a vicious cycle. It's very. Maybe a cat would be like, oh, yeah, there's dog piss on this. I gotta piss on this too. Yeah.

[A]

There's a position to be in protest.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

My favorite one was Alpo's time trial. I'm going along, of course. Time trial it was. You're all alone and there's kid running beside me and he's just. And he can run and alto as a steep. So be staying with me for a long time. He's just screaming and he's being. He's being very positive, which was rare that day in 2004. On out to west. But he's. You're the man. You're the man. You're the real man. And finally I'm like, all right, I got this. Like I've had getting to get tired and stop running, but he's not, he's not getting tired. And finally I look over at him and I looked him right in the eyes and I said, I know. And he stopped and they stopped him in his tracks. And I was like, that was pretty cool. I met the guy. I met the guy years ago, came up to me somewhere and said, you're not going to remember this. He said, I was running the beside you on Optiwas. And I said, yeah, you were. Just kept screaming, you're the man. He's like, do you remember that? And I was like, of course I do. And now I'm still. Still talking about it.

[B]

Speaking of fans, I did run into a nice couple last night. I was out with your wife and Ashish and a couple other people and this lady came up to me, said she's a huge fan of her show, but her five year old son watched Wyatt. So shout out to Wyatt, thanks for watching us. He watches us every day religiously and is a massive fan of our show. So thank you, Wyatt.

[A]

That's a lot. Mom, I take back those F bombs in the last 20, 30 minutes. Yeah, sorry, Wyatt, but thank you. That is cool. Phantom trivia. Interesting question yesterday, of course, you head on over to ventumracing.com to submit your answer. $5,000 credit towards Biker Choice. Could be the NS1 like Bradley and I love with the GS1 that. Do you have a GS1?

[F]

I have a GS1, yeah. I did A gravel. I didn't do the ribs. I rode a gravel race. I rode gravel. This year for the first time.

[E]

Our.

[A]

Our days of racing are over.

[D]

What race was it?

[F]

The Grallock in Scotland.

[D]

Oh, wow.

[F]

I went in. I was going to do the race, but I turned up the day before and rode a mass participation thing. Okay. Which was brilliant, actually. I'd never ridden on proper gravel and.

[A]

So good.

[B]

It's fun.

[F]

I loved it.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

Particularly on the. On the GS1. It was superb.

[A]

The question yesterday was Frederic August Bartholdi, the artist from the Alsace region behind the lion statue seen on stage is also responsible for one of the most recognizable landmarks in the world.

[D]

Do you guys want to guess what it is?

[A]

What is that landmark?

[F]

Is it statue Libby?

[D]

George?

[A]

I would say that it is.

[D]

You're the sculpture guy, George. You're always talking about.

[A]

It is the Statue of Liberty, which, of course, tomorrow with the World cup final, they're going to show the Statue of Liberty about 50 times, probably during the game. It is the Statue of Liberty. I went out there once.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

It's toured it.

[D]

A random place to go. If you, like, live in New York. You'd never go out there.

[F]

No.

[D]

It's kind of cool.

[B]

When I lived in New York, never went.

[D]

This guy is a museum in Kolmar, this artist worth going. Incredible museum. But check it out. Yeah.

[A]

Today's question. Stage stages 13 and 14 crossed the Ballon de Alsace, a category one climb credited as the first major mountain climbed in the Tour's history.

[F]

Is that right?

[A]

It is credited as the first major mountain climbed in the tourist history. In what year did it earn that distinction? 1903 was year one.

[D]

It was pre Tourmale, so that's a hint.

[A]

I did not know that. Anyways, head on over to bentonracing.com the move to submit your answer. Great.

[B]

Big day tomorrow.

[D]

Big, big day.

[A]

According to the vvom, we got another big day tomorrow and. And a big week. That's just crazy to me that. That after halfway through today's stage, we were roughly only halfway done with the climbing.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. Imagine being a writer hearing that. No, Imagine being Tim earlier.

[A]

You're like, what?

[D]

Why am I even in this race? There's no more stages for me.

[A]

Don't give him. He might be. We think he might be listening to him earlier.

[D]

Tim earlier. You can win stage.

[A]

Don't give him any ideas.

[D]

Yeah. Stay in the race.

[A]

Yeah. He seems cool.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, guys, thanks for tuning in and we will see you all tomorrow for stage 15.

[D]

Awkward time to ask this, but hey,

[A]

did you download the trail map?

[C]

Yeah, I know. I don't need to.

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