Will Jonas Finish This Tour? | TdF 2026 Stage 10 | THEMOVE

Summary

THEMOVE – "Will Jonas Finish This Tour?"

Tour de France 2026, Stage 10 Recap
Host: Lance Armstrong
Guests: George Hincapie, Sir Bradley Wiggins, and cycling analysts
Date: July 14, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of THEMOVE dives deep into Stage 10 of the 2026 Tour de France, focusing on Tadej Pogacar's dominating performance on Bastille Day, the unraveling GC battle (with particular attention to Jonas Vingegaard’s struggles), and the impressive form of young riders. Armstrong, Hincapie, Wiggins, and guests bring their unique mix of insider analysis, candid storytelling, and lively debate, offering listeners an unfiltered look at cycling's biggest race—and the psychological toll it takes on its stars.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Bastille Day, Stage 10: Pogacar and UAE’s Dominance

[00:54–03:35 | 05:32–06:14]

• Setting: Stage 10 from Aurillac to Le Lioran on France’s national holiday; a huge day for French morale.
• UAE Team Emirates controlled the peloton relentlessly, keeping the break in check on an aggressive, mountainous stage.
• Bradley Wiggins: “UAE were super impressive. It was on all day... no one really got any major time in any sort of breakaway that formed.”
• Pogacar’s late move on the final climb was decisive. He gained roughly 30–48 seconds on his main rivals (including time bonuses).
• The hosts debate the team’s approach—was this effort worth the cost to his squad, given bigger GC gains might come later?

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2. Pogacar’s Psychology—Dealing with Dominance and the Booing

[04:20–05:35]

• Armstrong empathizes with Pogacar’s experience of being booed, connecting to his own past:
  • “He even addressed [the detractors]... To the people booing, it's a tough spot. I've been there. I had a lot more people booing than I imagine he has. But you're just so clearly dominant and people aren't appreciative of that.” (Lance, 04:23)
  • Noted that Pogacar tried to “honor the yellow jersey on Bastille Day” but Armstrong doubts it wins over fans.
  • The group discusses how dominance in cycling sometimes turns fans hostile, despite the rider’s intentions.
  • “It looks less than fun.” (Armstrong, 05:35)

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3. GC Shake-Up: Vingegaard’s Troubles and the Question of Motivation

[07:10–09:35 | 25:28–27:56]

• Vingegaard looked defeated, both physically and mentally, with his gap to Pogacar widening.
  • “We saw Del Toro the big loser in that battle today… it negates the theory that Tadej was just going to start focusing on helping Del Toro get second. Well, clearly he just went for the win, didn't gain that much. 30 seconds.” (Wiggins, 08:36)
• The hosts discuss the “rest day effect”—some riders rebound, others struggle to restart.
• Vingegaard’s recent rest day interview reveals doubt about his future:
  • “This article comes out that he was considering retiring... I don’t know what's going on...” (George, 26:03)
  • “With Jonas, he looks like an inflatable someone pulled the plug out of... I can't believe how much time he lost” (Armstrong, 27:56)
• Group consensus: The GC race is really about second and third now, with Pogacar virtually untouchable unless disaster strikes.
  • “They're fighting for second place right now.” (Wiggins, 27:44)

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4. The Intricacies of Team Dynamics and Leadership

[00:37–01:19 | 29:47–31:18]

• Comparison between modern teams (UAE, Visma) and Armstrong’s own era.
  • George clarifies that “calling the shots” was always collaborative, with the team director (Bruyneel, in their case) having final say.
  • “Partnership was so magical... It was by committee, but if there was a debate or conflict, it went to him.” (Hincapie, 00:37 & 29:47)
• Discussion about whether Pogacar or UAE’s management is orchestrating the moves.
  • “Who's calling the shots at UAE? Is it Pogacar, or is it Gianetti? We suspect it’s Pogacar.” (George, 29:48)

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5. Key Young Riders and 'Moves of the Day'

[10:41–12:18]

• Paul Sachas (19, France/Decathlon): Highlighted for exceptional consistency, third on the stage and poised under incredible pressure.
  • “He’s nearly halfway through his first Tour de France and he’s living up to the hype.” (Unknown analyst, 10:41)
• Carapaz: Aggressive, nearly stayed away. Multiple hosts chose him for “move of the day” honors.
  • “I would have bet any amount of money... He’s a tough bike rider, can climb, can descend. I thought they'd let him go...” (Armstrong, 12:18)
• Tom Pidcock: Recovered from a crash, climbing GC; possibility he’ll keep moving up.
  • “Special mention today to Tom Pidcock as well. He had a crash on the downhill, got himself back up. He's coming into good form.” (Unknown analyst, 13:38)

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6. Remco Evenepoel and Red Bull’s Odd Tactics

[14:04–15:39]

• Remco looked dropped, but then surged; debate among hosts about whether his late sprint was a mental win or an unnecessary move.
  • “He was getting dropped, recovered, attacked—if you’re getting dropped and come back, you have to go for the sprint.” (George, 14:47)
  • “The mental mind game now… they’re racing for second place all out.” (Wiggins, 15:18)
  • Some say it’s a “bad look” for GC leadership dynamics.

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7. Sprinters’ Hardships and Race Tactics for the Green Jersey

[18:18–21:15]

• Dynamics of the points (green jersey) competition explained—structure designed to make it harder for GC men like Pogacar to win it.
  • “They added this like super bonus for the sprint finishes... to keep Pogacar from winning it.” (Lance, 18:26)
• The pain of “never-flat” transitional stages for sprinters, the time cut stress, and the steely teamwork it takes for sprinters to survive (noting Tim Merlier’s struggles).

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8. Listener Voicemails: Pidcock’s Future, Best Bike Handlers

[35:09–39:48]

• Tom Pidcock: Should he target GC or focus on classics/stage wins?
  • “His days are running out as a Tour De France contender… but he’s so multi-talented… There’s always a chance of him winning a Grand Tour on the right day.” (Unknown analyst, 36:36)
• Best bike handlers in the peloton: Consensus top three are Pidcock, Mathieu van der Poel, and Tadej Pogacar.
  • “You want to see guys that can ride themselves out of almost anything... most of the time they can get themselves out of trouble.” (George, 40:07)
  • Fun debate about wheelie skills (none of the hosts really claims prowess).

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9. Trivia and Iconic TdF Moments

[42:36–43:51]

• Trivia question: What iconic moment happened on Bastille Day, Stage 9, 2003, on the Col de Manse? (Hint: Armstrong’s infamous crash-and-recover with Joseba Beloki.)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Pogacar & Mental Toll:

  • “For the first time, he acknowledged that there’s some detractors on the roadside. He even addressed them. To the people booing, it's a tough spot. I've been there.” (Lance Armstrong, 04:23)
  • “He looked gassed at the end today. That was a hard effort.” (Lance, 33:06)

• On Vingegaard’s Motivation:

  • “He just looked defeated… this article comes out that he was considering retiring… there’s no ‘sort of in’. You’re in or you’re out.” (George, 26:03)
  • “He looks like an inflatable someone pulled the plug out of… very un-Jonas-like.” (Armstrong, 27:56)

• On Team Leadership Dynamics:

  • “Who's calling the shots at UAE? Is it Pogacar, or is it Gianetti? We suspect it’s Pogacar.” (George, 29:48)
  • “If there was ever a debate or conflict, it went to [Johan Bruyneel]—the final call. He was the boss.” (George, 29:47)

• On Carapaz’s Attacking Style:

  • “I would have bet any amount of money... He’s a tough bike rider, can climb, can descend... I was convinced he was going to stay away.” (Armstrong, 12:18)

• On Modern vs Old School Descending:

  • “Watching these guys go downhill… there’s no guardrails. If you think about it, you’re not in this race. You can’t think about that.” (Lance, 12:18)

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Timestamp Reference Guide

| Segment | Timestamp | |----------------------------------------|---------------| | Opening, Team Dynamics, UAE vs Visma | 00:00–01:36 | | Bastille Day Context, Stage Recap | 01:54–03:02 | | Pogacar’s Dominance, Criticism | 04:20–05:35 | | Stages' Difficulty, Rest Day Effects | 07:09–08:36 | | GC Shakeup, Vingegaard’s Struggles | 25:28–27:56 | | Move of the Day Picks | 10:41–12:18 | | Red Bull/Remco Debate | 14:04–15:39 | | Points Jersey Tactics | 18:18–21:15 | | Listener Qs—Pidcock, Bike Handling | 35:09–41:41 | | Trivia, Closing bets | 42:36–43:51 |

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Tone & Atmosphere

The conversation was as candid and insider-y as ever—equal parts technical, competitive, and irreverent. The group didn’t shy away from critical analysis, mixing praise for extraordinary performances with blunt takes on psychological cracks and leadership lapses. Humor surfaced in segments about rest day routines, failed wheelie competitions, and differences between George’s and Lance’s domestic approaches to Tour watching.

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Takeaway for Listeners

• Pogacar is on another level, but the physical and psychological demands of dominance are real, and even he isn’t immune to the psychological grind and fan backlash.
• Jonas Vingegaard appears in crisis: physically, mentally, and perhaps questioning his future.
• GC “battle” is now the fight for second unless cycling’s unpredictability rears up.
• Young talent is shining in unexpected ways—watch Sachas and Pidcock.
• Team strategy, leadership, and resilience—on and off the race—remain pivotal in the world’s hardest bike race.

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For more deep-dive Tour de France analysis, behind-the-scenes stories, and blunt takes, THEMOVE brings key moments and context you might have missed—even if you watched the race.

Transcript

[Lance Armstrong]

What would Johan say if you guys were on the rest day giving interviews where you said, I don't want. I don't like going to Altfee camp. I want to. I wanted to retire. Would Johan be upset about that? Like what. Why are you talking like this in the middle of the Tour de France?

[George]

That's a question for me.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Maybe a question for Johan.

[George]

Yeah, I. Look, I never would have said that. I mean, the beauty of that partnership between Johan and myself and then the rest of the team, George and all the guys, but really, Johan and myself,

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

while.

[George]

And. And we actually had a question during the race today, like, who's calling the shots at you? Just out of curiosity, who's calling the shots at uae? Is it Poguchar or is it Gianetti? Right. We suspect it's Poguchar. And I think during my run, people suspected the same thing for me, that, yes, Johan's just driving the car. Lance is calling the shots. That was never the case. So this. This partnership that we had was so magical. It was by committee, but if there was ever a debate or a conflict, it went to him. All right, everybody, welcome Back to the Move podcast. I'm Lance Armstrong, joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins. Mr. Ink. Happy Houston. I'm scrambling. We had a little. We had a lot of stuff going on in the studio this morning, a lot of it created by George himself. I've been in here working on it.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I was not aware that any of this was my fault. But

[George]

Talking about stage 10, Alan, just. Let's just get this out of the way. What do we do today?

[Lance Armstrong]

Stage 10.

[George]

From Oriak to L'.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Oreal.

[George]

From Oriak to L'.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Oreal.

[George]

What a day. Bastille Day. How great is that? We got atlant on Bastille Day. We got the French national team playing today.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Yeah. Yep.

[George]

Big day for France. Big day for Taddy Pogar. I mean, I know this sounds like a broken record. This was. I didn't expect this one. I know. Maybe that. And he even said it in his post race interview that they had specifically targeted this day as. Maybe not as the day, but as a day, a day of selection. I. Wow, Bradley.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Yeah, they were impressive today. UAE were super impressive. It was on all day. No one really got any major time in any sort of breakaway that formed. And then Tade, I mean, I thought he might go a little bit earlier, but he ran out riders and then of course, Visma started riding and he decided to go. Didn't take a great deal of Time straight away, although he did out of carapaz and they held him at 17, 18 seconds for a fair bit. But I mean, as we've seen so many times now, he's great at pacing his efforts and he really hurt himself today. That was the one thing that stood out today is how much he hurt himself like they all did.

[George]

24th stage win in a tour. So we just have to keep saying that number because these seemingly are going to keep adding up. And it was only a matter of years ago. We, we're so happy for Mark Cavendish that this has just become, I mean you can look at the rest of the race. We, there might be two or three more here. Awfully impressive. I, I, I'm curious about the, you know, the, his team was so dominant all day. I'm watching the race going, geez, who cares? Like let, let, let somebody go up the road. They're riding now again in the post race show, he said they had targeted this day. I don't know that that means you stick to that plan, but probably a better question for Johan, but there was this moment where he did, he lost some guys. There was some speculation as we were watching that he was, that, that the, some of the guys on the motos in the media were saying he didn't look great. Visma goes to the front, tries to, I don't know if it was an acceleration or just fast tempo. And I know exactly what he was thinking. He said, oh, what are you doing? You're at the front of my bike race. Watch this. Hold my beer. It seemed like that's what he did. I don't know. He was, I keep going back to when he does things like this in the races, which I don't blame him. Like I, I was that guy too. Like, what the you, this is my bike race. Get off the front. I go straight to the post race interview and watch, right? And you know, is it, is it. It's just, it's just different. And for today, for the first time that I can, that I remember and I believe it's the first time he said it, he acknowledged that there's some detractors on the roadside. He even addressed them. He said to the people booing, it's a tough spot. I've been there, right? I had a lot more people booing than I imagine he has. But you're just so clearly dominant and people aren't appreciative of that. And he even, he tried, he said, listen, I realized or I remembered it was Bastille Day. I wanted to honor this jersey, the French to the Tour de France yellow jersey. I don't think that gets you many points. Yeah, tough, tough spot. I. I feel for the kid. I mean, he's. I don't. I mean, look, he's head and shoulders above everybody else, but it's, you know, again, I mean, listen, I mean, I'm not, you know, Tony Robbins. I mean, I'm not getting the guy's head. Like, I don't know, but it just

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

looks

[George]

less than fun.

[Bradley Wiggins]

It's a tough situation, especially for all the French teams. I mean, typically, historically bestial day French teams are all in for the win. A day like today is ideal for a breakaway to get away, most likely get to the finish line. But like a team like uae, they just make it look easy. And from personal experience, that's like some of the hardest racing in the world to control. When you're in the massive central, it's brutal, it's miserable. People from behind can take run at you, runs at you on the downhills, up at these hard climbs, and it's just. It's super complicated to control. But you put on TV with 100k to go, and it's like, no problem for them. They got the breakaway at 1 minute, 2 minutes. So the dominance of not only Tade, the whole team is just super impressive.

[George]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, Bradley, he did, you know, there's been. They've talked about keeping or sort of quasi protecting Isaac Del Toro. Well, he got dropped with that acceleration. He goes out the back, he loses the white jersey. He managed to recover a bit.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Yeah, they seemed like they. They lost more than they gained in some ways. And that was certainly the feeling when you were watching this is. Is when it was hovering around 20 seconds to begin with. And the effort he was having to make to maintain that break on that small flat section in between the two climbs, the last climb and the climb he attacked on with Del Toro being dropped as well. It made you think, you know, is it worth this effort? And particularly the effort of the team through the day for such a small gain when there's still way more to come where he could take way more time like he did on the Tourmaline. And it's the stages like that that you even Spencer said, you know, we had to watch seven years of you guys doing this. But then George made the point that, well, Lance wouldn't have done something like that on a stage like today.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, nowhere.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

And, and I think that's quite interesting because, you know, we. We still have two Weeks left of this race and again he's got what he got. 32nd game today.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. And it goes against, well, almost a

[Lance Armstrong]

minute on, on vinegar, a little more.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

But we're not talking about finger gold because my prediction may come true.

[George]

Yeah, we're going to, we are going to talk about that in the second half of the show because he. There was an interesting interview that came out on the rest day that Jonas gave. I don't know when he gave the interview, but I think it sort of dovetails into your. I wouldn't even call it a prediction. It was just something to watch for. Right. And that maybe today just sort of reinforce that. You know, the one thing we talked about this two days ago and we should touch on it again. I mean, coming out of the rest day is hard. Some guys come out and they're like, this was a great rest day. Most guys, I suspect, come out and say, I wish we just kind of would have kept riding, kept racing just some. You come out of a rest day, it's been super hot, it's been a hard tour, and then they throw this one at you. 4,000 meters of vertical climbing, never flat aggressive. Matthew Riccatello was on the record and said that their team decathlon thought this would be the hardest stage of the tour. That's saying something. Yeah, now that's what they thought. It looked like it. I mean, there were bodies everywhere, but just coming out of that rest day and trying to restart the engine.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, there's no doubt the battle for second and third are still super. It's still super exciting. I mean, I think it's going to continue to evolve. We saw Del Toro the big loser in that battle today. It negates the theory that you had that today was just going to start focusing on helping Del Toro get second. Well, clearly he just went for the win, didn't gain that much. 30 seconds.

[Lance Armstrong]

It's 30 seconds plus a 10 second time game, which puts you of 40. I mean, he gained, let's say on one a game, 48 seconds on him. That's a lot of time.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Yeah, but they, they, the, the, the collateral of that was Del Toro, you know.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, but I mean, the race is not over. Like it's stage 10. He still has to keep taking time. I would think you don't want to cruise in with it. Why have a 2 1/2 minute lead when now he has, you know, his lead is at four minutes, basically. So why wait to take time when you could take time now? Like the present is, is the time to do it. Do not procrastinate because you don't know what's going to happen would be my argument.

[George]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George]

All right. Anybody imagine Wimbledon saying just a random pick. Sorry, no. And we. You have to stay in our hotels. Sorry, sorry. Yokovic, you, you're at the Ebees.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George]

And the AC is busted. These kids moved their bed outside of in some hotel they put up a picture of. They were sleeping under the stars.

[Lance Armstrong]

What?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George]

Anyhow, I mean the heat has been. I mean especially for sleep. We've talked about it. Move of the day.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

So my move of the day, you know, in without picking today, every day, particularly on days like this, I'm going to go a little bit, you know, left field here and I'm going to go with Paul Sachas got third today. Let's not forget he's still 19. He's nearly halfway through his first Tour de France and he's living up to the hype. You know, we saw Remco losing a bit of ground on that last climb today. You know, we've seen all the other players in this Tour de France having slightly off moments or off days in this Tour de France. Sexas has not missed a beat this whole race. So for his first tour, very impressive.

[George]

Perfect day for a 19 year old to crack. Yeah, first tour young guy. I read another article too, that this is sort of unchartered territory for him. He's never raced a stage race that's gone longer, that's gone to a 10th stage. Hot rest day, toughest day of the Tour.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Weight of a nation on your shoulders

[George]

on Bastille Day and he's there. I think that's. I love that pick.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, I actually like the. The move of the day today because I think we're gonna have slightly different picks. I'm gonna go with Carapats. He took the race, the bull by the horns today. Super aggressive. 99.9 of the time he's winning that day the way he was going. But who would have thought that UAE would control it, keep it that close and then Todd, it would chase him down. I'm gonna go with Carol. Pass the road.

[George]

Super well, professor.

[Lance Armstrong]

I'm going Paul 6 us that third place that like you're talking about Bastille Day. But one of the problems with Bastille Day is the French teams are graduating past. Going into the breakaway decathlon's focus on the GC third today is super impressive. Like he's finished 10 seconds in front of Jonas Finnegard. Yeah, that's really impressive for a 19 year old.

[George]

Well, it's going to be two to two because I'm with George on this one. Carapaz. I would have bet when he got out there, I would have bet any amount of money. He's a tough bike rider. He can climb, he can descend. And I just thought they'd let him go. I thought this is a perfect day to sort of let somebody sit out there that's not dangerous to you. I was convinced he was going to stay away. And I was also struck you had left. So I was sitting there watching the race all by myself. The very Zen moment. But I was struck by the downhills. We're in the Massey Central. You don't often. I don't know, I mean Massif Central. You think of rolling hills. These were mountains, right. And they looked Pyrenees esque, Alps esque. But I was struck by the downhills and, and even. And I've sort of caught myself because now I sit here as a 55 year old guy who takes his time downhill and doesn't take risks. You're watching these guys go downhill and you're seeing there's no guardrails and you're seeing like when we're. When you're doing that in the race, you never think about that. And if you think about it, you're not in this race. You can't think about that just bombing downhill. Think about the difference between being upright and being down on a road where you're going 45, 50, 55 miles an hour and there isn't a guard rope. The helicopter showed it. You go off, you blow it from a front tire there.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Well on, on downhills. Special mention today to Tom Pidcock as well. He had a crash on the downhill, got himself back up. He's coming into good form now in this Tour of France. He's now moved into 10th on GC so.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And I think we're just going to keep seeing him climbing up.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Obviously he's hitting his stride now.

[George]

I did not expect him to come back after the, after the dash. Yeah. But I'm going with Carpas.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

I want to ask you guys, what was going, going. What's going on with Red Bull? What was going on with Remco? What do they make of this? He looks terrible on the climb and then he's surging off. I thought he was going to post up for a second. He looked incredible in that final little pitch. What is happening at Red Bull?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Look, I think he just did what he felt like he needed to do. He backed off, got a little bit dropped, but kept the, kept his group within 5, 10 seconds all the way up to climb, bombed the descent, caught back up. And why not like, finish on a high note instead of like finishing thinking, okay, I got dropped from these guys. What does that mean for my, for the next 10 days of this race? Like, I'm back. He probably got all the adrenaline catching back up and just went for the sprint. I didn't, I didn't mind it one bit.

[George]

I have a real problem with it. Look, he was getting dropped and he, and they also interviewed him at the finish and he put as much lipstick on that pig as he could. He did come back, but then attacked and that, that's all fine and good if you're, if you're getting dropped, you recover, you come back, you have to go for the sprint. But that move at the end, looking back, what do you, what do you. I mean, I don't, I'm not in his head. I don't know what he was looking at. Sure looked like he was looking where or looking for his teammate, Florian Lipowitz.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Well, it's a mental, It's a mental mind game now. Like you got to mess with. They're. They're racing for second place all out. So he caught them. And this was not a flat, easy finish. This was a hard finish. So these guys were on their last, last breath.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Yeah, they're in competition with each other.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Exactly.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

I would say more Remco is in competition with Lipovich rather than the other way around.

[George]

It's not a good look, though.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

And you know, it's. Yeah, it's. He saved face a little bit there, but that final sprint, didn't he? Because the, the, the, the thought process tonight at dinner would have been very different had he continued to stay dropped. And the mantle would have gone clearly

[George]

of leadership to a bad look internally.

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, they're incompetent it's not like, you know, and Le Mans. These guys are not first and second. They're getting crushed. Maybe focus on that instead of fighting with each other.

[George]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[George]

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[Lance Armstrong]

I think there's three categories.

[George]

And is there a discussion around what just make them all the same. I mean but that obviously plays right into poker's hands.

[Lance Armstrong]

I think that's exactly why they're not all the same. Okay. And they added this like super bonus for the sprint finishes. Are 70 now to keep Pagatra from winning it because he only gets 20 points for the win today. Like Pederson wins the intermediate sprint, gets 25 points. So he actually outscores him. Did you guys watch the start of this stage? It was super hard from Little Track. Blew the, blew the peloton up. Pagatra's caught out. He has to bridge up the question. I have. And Little Track has this, this theory where they control the race. They deliver Pedersen into the sprint like they did Milan last year. The problem is Binyam Grimai finishes third. So the Delta, they're not building up a huge gap on Girmai. Would they be better off letting the break go naturally and Pedersen just get into the break and then get a bigger gap on Gurmai at the intermediate

[George]

or let it go and nobody gets points?

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, I think Patterson, he still gets like a six point delta on Gurmai.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Well, yeah, he's trying to get points on.

[George]

He's 293gr.239.

[Lance Armstrong]

But two sprint stages later, like, who knows what it's gonna look like.

[George]

Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get into those in the second half of the show. Tim earlier, sitting in third on the green jersey competition, it was a little close is what I was hearing for the time cut. Assuming they, they were too.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Unfortunately made it within a couple minutes.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, he's getting dropped like in the first five kids.

[George]

Horrible. I mean, imagine being him. Yeah, it's horrible.

[Lance Armstrong]

Terrible.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Well, you know what? It's not. I mean, it's bad. It's hard. But a guy like that has got people around him and they're going to support him. They're going to ride his face up the climbs, they're going to bomb the descents. So they're staying within their limits the whole time and they know exactly how to moderate their pace throughout the day.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Yeah. I wouldn't underestimate also the damage he does in those two sprint days.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

You know, those final surges in those last 25k, plus the effort at the end. I mean, we saw the exhaustion he had on those steps when the press were gathered around.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

You know, so it's, it's going to be tough.

[Bradley Wiggins]

All right.

[George]

We're going to see tomorrow and the next day.

[Lance Armstrong]

Are these stages harder than the Alps for sprinters?

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

In some ways?

[George]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Because of the speed from the start for the intermediate.

[George]

Yeah, yeah. And never flat.

[Lance Armstrong]

Never flat.

[George]

Never flat. I mean, it's. This is a hard day. But, you know, if you're not in the Alps or the Pyrenees. It's hard to get to 4000 total vert of 4000 meters of total vertical climbing. It has to be a day that you're just nipping, you know, 300 here, 300 there. That's how a day in the massive Central gets to be 4,000 is. It's just. It is never flat. And then. Can we throw in the heat? Did seem like I checked the weather last night. It seems like it's about 10 degrees cooler. I don't know, maybe they finally got a snap from this heat dome. That's what it's called.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. Apparently they canceled all fireworks in France because of the heat and the dryness.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Smart.

[Bradley Wiggins]

It's gonna be a rough Bastille day.

[Lance Armstrong]

The start Tomorrow is only 90 degrees. So it's cooling off that. Yeah.

[George]

All right, boys, bring your beds back inside. Be fine tonight.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Yeah.

[George]

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[George]

Welcome back to the Move podcast. Yesterday, of course, the rest day for the riders. Rest day for us. Everybody here at the Move. I don't know what you boys got up into. George probably wrote four hours, some intervals. No, I didn't I heard Bradley was at the gym. I did get sighting there. Ran into a friend of mine. Ran into Hyman. I didn't know it was at the gym. He just said, I ran into Sir Bradley Wiggins.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Then me and Ben went to Carbondale to try and get a haircut.

[George]

Still, that's been a multi day endeavor here. What's going on? That was.

[Lance Armstrong]

Did it work out?

[George]

I have clippers.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

I was shot. It was closed, but Carbondale was an experience.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Very different to Aspen.

[Lance Armstrong]

Very different. Very different.

[George]

Fortunately. By the way, I have clippers at the house if you need them. All right, I'll do it for you. I went out. Appreciate you guys asking. I went out.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

How'd you get lost? How was it going?

[George]

Yeah, how's it go? You know, everybody, you know in life you have these places, your happy places, these special places. There's. Yeah, we all have them. A few places, they're just, they're just special for you. You just, you get there and you're

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

like, was it Bali Naval Golf Club you went?

[George]

I was. It's. It's a, it's a place I've been a member of for a long time. Bally Neil. It's out in far eastern Colorado. It's the number one course in the state of Colorado. Very, very different. You wouldn't think you're in Colorado, you think that you're in Nebraska. But I took my son and his friend Julian. We had a hell of a two days. We played 18 as soon as we got there. Woke up early, ripped 36, came home last night. But that was all well and good, but as George knows, you know, mornings is do not disturb time, right? George was staying at the house for a few days. I'd come down, just Larry, I'd pour, not even a sip of coffee. He's got this bike race on, full volume, wants to talk to me. I said, whoa, whoa, stop.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Let me go through my first half. And then he wouldn't talk to me after his first half.

[George]

Do not speak to me, right? So anyhow, I'm out at Ballyn Hill yesterday morning. I get up early, I do the same thing. Sitting there with my coffee just chilling. And lo and behold, another person comes up and wants to talk to me. Just won't leave me alone. Look at this little guy. This is the house cat out there at Ballynolla. His name is Fescue Love. It just would not is. I've never seen like a wild cat that's now been tamed. Just come up and just how cute is that? Anyways, all right. It's one of those days. Cool.

[Bradley Wiggins]

So how'd you hit him?

[George]

So here's. Well, like I said, we played 18 and then 36. So day one, just, you know, we finished the show, flew over there. I'm like, this is back's not going to move. Very good. Had my lowest round ever at Ballynil shoot 76, couldn't miss yesterday. Different story. I am truly Jekyll and Hyde when it comes to a golf course. I don't know what's up with me. Anyhow, I want to close the loop on the Jonas discussion we saw today. I think you saw a couple things today. You saw that he lost time, but you also just saw. Saw his face.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

We were looking.

[George]

We were watching, and they did us a real service. And having this slow mo of him coming across the line. He looks. He just looked defeated. And then as I'm reading the news over the rest day, this article comes out that he was considering retiring. I don't. I don't know what's going on. I mean, I don't. I just don't either. In or out. Like, this is a hard. This is the hardest sport in the world. That there's. That there's no. Like, you're in or out. And this is. And then I just once I. As soon as I saw that headline, I thought. God, I thought immediately to what Bradley said early in the race.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

I mean, we've never seen him like this. Even in second place on GC last year, he was still there, you know, thinking how he can win this race. You know, how they. How the team can do something to try something different to put Jonas in trouble. Even the year before, when he was coming back from the injury in Pais Busk, he won this stage. And, you know, those kind of performances made us think that, you know, give Jonas one year where he has a straight run at this race. He could challenge Bick, but he's been worse this year. And not just that, his body language, coming across the line, even losing a few seconds on the group he was with. You know, it's a shame to seem like that he's a great champion, but yeah, that added with the comments that came out yesterday, it makes you wonder, the timing of that.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, and it's. I mean, it's just this changes the whole dynamic of the race. Like, typically, you see 10 guys on the last climb. The leaders team is doing tempo. They'd start losing their guys. Like, the GC guys are perhaps going to start taking Advantage of that today, we saw them lose their teammates, and they just slowed down and said, okay, I'm good with this.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And then Tade goes, and they don't even react.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

No, they didn't even react.

[Bradley Wiggins]

They're just fighting for second place right now. They're like, okay, go ahead. I'm going to try to keep you close, but I'm not even going to try to go with you. When the years pass, we've seen them go with them. So, yeah, there's clearly just a different level there. They're racing for second place.

[Lance Armstrong]

One with Jonas. He looks like an inflatable. There's someone pulled the plug out of, like, he. That. I can't believe how much time he lost on that last ramp. And that's very unyonas like 12 seconds. And it's. It's going to be like chum in the water for these guys. They're all going to be coming for that second spot now. You can see it. And second to Pagachar is like winning because you're not going to. You're not going to beat him. I hate to say it at stage 10, but.

[George]

Well, speaking of winning, I mean, Spencer, you asked during the race, as we're watching, watching this all unfold, that is that why he went to the Giro? A race that he probably knew that he. Barring any accidents or injury or illness, he knew it was a race he knew he could win. Is that why he goes there and least gets that when knowing this was your question? Maybe he just knows that he can't beat this guy in the Tour. So let's go get a pink jersey.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Well, not only that, but just different motivations. He's won the Tour. He's won the welter. Like, to get all three is still historical. Like, he's going to go down in the books of winning. One of the few handful of riders that have been able to do that. So I can see why he would do that. And, yeah, now he's just hanging on. Hopefully stays there for second place.

[Lance Armstrong]

What would Johan say if you guys were on the rest day giving you interviews where you said, I don't want. I don't like going out to camp. I want to. I wanted to retire. Would Johan be upset about that? Like what? Why are you talking like this in the middle of the Tour de France?

[George]

That's question for me.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, maybe a question for Johan.

[George]

Yeah, look, I never would have said that. I mean, the beauty of that partnership between Johan and myself and then the rest of the team. George and all the guys, but really, Johan and myself while. And we actually had a question during the race today, like, who's calling the shots? That you. Just out of curiosity, who's calling the shots at uae? Is it Poka Charlotte or is it Gianetti?

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Right.

[George]

We suspect it's Poguchar. And I think during my run, people suspected the same thing from me, that, yes, Johan's just driving the car. Lance is calling the shots. That was never the case. So this. This partnership that we had was so magical. It was by committee. But if there was ever a debate or a conflict, it went to him like he. The final call. I never would. If Johan would have said, listen, I know you want more family time. I know you don't like camps away from your life, et cetera, et cetera, but you have to do it if you want to, I would have said, all right, you're the boss. He was the boss. So the answer to that is it was 95%. A very friendly, agreeable committee of two. And then that other 5%, he got the final say, and I did it.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And the backup today, what he did when he attacked, allegedly, or apparently he didn't. They had new radio, so he could not hear anything from the car. But I'm sure they had the plan to go for the stage one because they were keeping the brakes so close. But that final attack was his. His call.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Yeah.

[George]

And I think that was a response to Visma going to the front. And look, you got to have a big ego to win the Tour de France. Trust me. Yeah, he saw that. He said, oh, well, he's.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I think he saw that. And so Visma kind of slowed it down. They didn't actually accelerate. They just said, okay, let us set the pace here.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And then he smelled that and said, oh, well, I'm just gonna go my base.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, he's been hearing for two years about how, oh, Jonas beat you at this finish.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

So I see.

[George]

I don't buy a lot. I mean, who cares about this finish?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Well, he did that. He did mention as soon as he crossed the line, he's like, you were mad two years ago.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Now we're winning it. So.

[George]

So there's only one. No.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George]

Let's look at tomorrow's stage, which, of course, will lead us into the next day. Stage. This looks like Eminem, Fear field sprinter. In this peloton, you are running out of time. But you got a day tomorrow, and you got a day the next day, relatively short. So here's what we're seeing, seeing some cooler temps. We're seeing a peloton that has been just eviscerated and they're. These guys are dead men walking. 161 kilometers. That. Look at that profile compared to today's. These boys see that? Daddy might have a couple beers tonight. This is chill.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Three, three, three and a half hour stage.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

And also a very fast start because of the intermediate sprint.

[George]

Look at that. That'd be worth watching.

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, I, I don't like that they're doing these sprints so early, but.

[George]

Well, they've been doing them later. You got to have a couple days, throw it up there in the, in the start. It'll.

[Bradley Wiggins]

It'll mix it up a little bit.

[George]

Yeah, yeah, that would be fun to watch. Nothing else that exciting about tomorrow.

[Lance Armstrong]

I did hear a stat that Pagacha's max heart rate on these stages are like 150 beats per minute.

[George]

Come on.

[Bradley Wiggins]

That is nuts.

[George]

Yeah, well, but what's his max heart rate?

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, that's a great question. I don't know. I would assume it's around 200, but maybe it's.

[George]

Come on, it's 250.

[Lance Armstrong]

We don't know.

[George]

I find it. He looked. No, no.

[Lance Armstrong]

On this stage that you just previewed. Not, not the stage.

[George]

Okay.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

I was like, whoa.

[George]

We really. Maybe we should do something else if that's.

[Lance Armstrong]

No, he looked gassed at the end today. Yeah, that was a hard effort.

[George]

So a day, A day like we just showed tomorrow's flattish or flat.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah. So for him it is truly a recovery day.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. And I'd love to see how Phillipson bounce back from the rest day after winning this, the team winning the stage before. I think they got a lot of motivation now and, you know, we'll see if he responds well to that tomorrow.

[George]

George, is it that these, you know, a day, like a day after today?

[Lance Armstrong]

Is it.

[George]

I mean, I would assume that, that the sprinters. Look, today was very, very hard for everybody. But is it the kind of thing that it's just these sprinters that it was just less hard to get through a day like today before tomorrow?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, I mean, the experience.

[George]

I mean, I would think Germay has an easier time than Philipson.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, for sure. And they, they know how to gauge their efforts so well. They find a good group that's well within their limits and, you know, they try to think about tomorrow all day long, just recovering and focusing on the next day.

[Lance Armstrong]

Do you guys think Philipson has a win in them?

[Bradley Wiggins]

I think he'll come around.

[George]

Yeah, I don't think so.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

I don't think so.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I think he'll come around.

[Lance Armstrong]

The only thing I would that would make me think he even has a chance is maybe the heat was affecting him.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

And if it gets cooler, maybe we'll see him.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And let's not forget everything he's won up until now. Like, that's not going away. He's made it through 10 super hard days of the tour de france, Has a rest day. I think he'll bounce back really good.

[George]

He's always just so positive. It's always so positive. I mean, you notice that. It's just why you have me here.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Right.

[Lance Armstrong]

He phillips and does look like he's putting it in reverse when the sprint opens up.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

Slight issue. Yeah.

[George]

Give us a call. Leave us a voicemail. Here is the number before we get to your voicemails. 970-718-2736. That's where you can call us. Leave a message, ask a question, leave a comment, Whatever you want to do. Colton. Should we rip? Let's go do. Let's do two voicemails. Who's there?

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Who's.

[George]

Who's first up?

[Lance Armstrong]

Hey, guys.

[George]

Drew here from portland, maine.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Got a question for you guys about tom pidcock.

[George]

Been kind of quiet in the tour lately.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Haven't really heard much commentary on him.

[George]

Just wondering what does he need to

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

do to become kind of a more

[George]

consistent grand tour contender. Is he better suited to targeting stage wins or classics? Kind of wondering about his goals and

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

his role on the team. Yeah.

[George]

Thanks so much, guys.

[Lance Armstrong]

Love the show.

[George]

Yep. Thanks, drew. Sir bradley, I'm going to let you.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

We.

[George]

We touched on talking about pit.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Tom's biggest problem is his talent and his ability to ride in most disciplines. You know, whether that's a tour of flanders, whether it's an absol gold. You know, he's cyclocross. He's mountain biking. Third in the vuelta last year. We've seen him challenging for stages. He's one on alpe duas in the past. He's multi talented and so it's very different. It's difficult to specialize in one thing when you're tom pidcock. So, yeah, it's a very difficult one. I think I. I think his days are running out as a tour de france contender. Whereas five, six years ago when, you know, he was new on the scene, particularly with any awesome winning on alp d', huez, it was like, is this britain's next tour grand tour winner in terms of a Tour de France, but with the current generation that he's up against the Pugachas, you know, the Remcos of this world, Lipovic, people like that. I think his days are running out in that sense. But there's always a chance of him winning the Vulture Espana as he was third last year on the right day with the right people in the race. But Tom, it's a difficult one because as I say, Tom could do many things.

[George]

What do you. I mean, he's tough. I did not expect him. He crashed on that first big downhill of the day, which is kind of shocking. I mean, this is the guy least likely to crash on a downhill. He is the best descent. Just so you know Drew and Maine. He is the best descender in the peloton, full stop.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George]

But he, his teammate actually looked like he hurt himself pretty badly. But Tom got up, made it back. Still top 10 in the tour. Yeah, and.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And like you said, a guy with wears many hats and cycling disciplines, but I think last year's third place. Well to performance is a breakthrough performance firm gave him some confidence and it's clear that he's going for the top 10, top 5 overall in this year of Sword of France.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, I mean, to get back on after you crash like that, that. But he often has a problem where like even right now he's sitting 10th, so he can't really get a breakaways to contest stage wins. He can't contest stage wins from the GC group because he's not going to beat Piga. He gets stuck in these middle areas a lot.

[George]

Yeah, well, you'd rather be 30th or 40th or 80th in the Tour and steal a breakaway on alto. What I mean, that's. I think. I think a stage win in the Tour is far bigger than a top 10 in the tour, but. All right, number two, who's second caller? Hey, boys, it's Jeff Cullen from North Vancouver, British Columbia. I'm curious, it's probably going back a year, but I am wondering if you guys ever went through with the wheelie practicing and competition and if so, who was the best at that in the podcast here. That also begs the question, best bike handler in the Peloton Tour de France right now.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Thanks, boys.

[George]

Keep up the good work.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Love it.

[George]

Well, Jeff, it's almost like you have a crystal ball because we just talked about it. We'll. And we'll answer that part second. The wheelie competition always cross. It actually always still crosses my mind. And we. We Never. We never did it. We never got serious about it.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Jeff, not only is there no wheelie competition, there has been no biking together. I think he's riding with me one time. I've been here 10 days. You know, I'm a little insulted, but let's get some biking in before we start talking about wheelies. Yeah.

[George]

But I still think about it. Can you do a wheelie on a bike? On any bike.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

I've never attempted one.

[George]

I haven't either. And, you know, you see these kids riding around, especially now. These kids, like our neighborhood in Austin. These kids on these. I mean, I suppose they're bicycles, but they're more like motors, like mini motorcycles. These kids rip around the neighborhood. Just wheelie city.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Yeah.

[George]

Effortless.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Second part of his question, I'd give the top three best bike handlers in the Peloton. Vanderpoel, Pitcock, and Tare. Those are my top three.

[George]

You think Vanderpoel is a better bike handler than. Than Pickcock?

[Bradley Wiggins]

I didn't say it wasn't that in that order. I'm saying those are my three best bike handlers in the Tour de France.

[George]

I don't think Pidcock is the best. Best.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

I would say Vanderpoel. Yeah. And particularly when the racing is on, Vanderpoel has a natural instinct to, you know, if there's a slip on a corner or whatever, how to hold himself. And Pitcot does as well. There's very little between them. Right. But you would have to say with the Palmares, that Vanderpoel has Vanderpoel edges.

[George]

Yeah. And they could probably both do wheelies.

[Lance Armstrong]

Who do you think? Lance?

[George]

I mean, it's close. I. We were just talking about Pidcock, and, you know, he's a little more out there on his handling. I mean, there's some videos out there of him doing some pretty crazy stuff on downhills, so maybe I'm thinking about that. Vanderpoel doesn't do that.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[George]

I mean, but these. Both of those. Any of these. The three guys George mentioned can ride themselves out of almost anything.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Right.

[George]

That's the thing. Right. You want to. This is People always. What's it like being in the Tour de France? I said, listen, I mean, this is the New York City marathon meets nascar meets a political race. So you have to. In nascar, you know, or a race like rubbing is racing.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Right.

[George]

And you see the guys that are not able to ride themselves out of trouble, and then you see the guys. Now, granted, Pidcock crashed today.

[Lance Armstrong]

That was bad.

[George]

There was some stuff on the road. I didn't know if that was bad luck.

[Lance Armstrong]

It was like dust up on.

[George]

There was a lot of stuff on the road and I think that all of those cars in that particular switchback threw them off as they're going around. They had the car. There was too many cars there.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[George]

But most of the time they can get themselves out of trouble. By the way, SKM Poker.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Who's the best bike rider, bike handler you've ever seen, even in your time racing? I mean, I remember one particular guy in the 90s. It'd be interesting to see if you. If you name him as the best bike handle I've ever seen, even in the current generation. Yeah.

[George]

I mean, Sean Yates in our generation was interesting.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Yeah.

[George]

Was. Was a B. I don't. I don't know who else.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

And then.

[George]

And then it's sort of in those 2000s. Paolo Salvadelli, this guy. I mean, I thought I could go downhill.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

He.

[George]

He was at one of our altitude camps in. In the Canary Islands one year, and there's those obviously very, very long technical downhills. This guy was in another. Are you maybe going to say Nibali? No, Nibali could ride a bike, but Salvadelli, we would go downhill. And I'm like, where did this guy go?

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Yeah.

[George]

I'm like, I am flying. I'm taking all these risks. He's in another zip code.

[Lance Armstrong]

Wow.

[Bradley Wiggins]

The difference between today's best bike handlers are they can do it on a road bike, on a descent, on a climb in, battling for position in the Tour of Flanders or Paris or Bay, on a mountain bike, on a cross bike. I mean, they have so many different skills. Gravel riding, I'd say, back in our day, I would. I think Ekamoff was a big standout. Really? Yeah, really navigate his way through the peloton really well. But he couldn't ride a mountain bike to save his life.

[George]

Who's yours?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Bradley?

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Well, I was going to say Frederick Moncassin. Do you remember him? Yeah. Freddie. Phenomenal.

[Bradley Wiggins]

But he came from a motocross back.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

He did come from. I remember watching him at Paris Roubaix in 97 when he was going from across the car for. And the way he's taking the corners in the dust, he could just hold his bike different to everyone else.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[George]

It helps when you come from motocross, we should say.

[Lance Armstrong]

When you see Pitcock and Vanderpoel on mountain bikes, they don't even look like they're in the same class.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

Because, like, Vanderpoel's struggling through these courses and pick he can, he can just enter whatever mountain bike race he wants

[Bradley Wiggins]

to start at the back.

[Lance Armstrong]

Doesn't matter. Unbelievable what he does in mountain biking.

[George]

It is time for our Ventum trivia. Answer the day's trivia question correctly. Get entered for a chance to win $5,000 credit towards the Ventum bike of your choice. All you got to do is go to ventumracing.com themove Put your answer in there. Did we answer Sunday's question? I'm trying to.

[Bradley Wiggins]

No.

[George]

Okay, so here was the question on Sunday. Paul Seychas, the 19 year old French rider could still wear yellow at this race. Who is the last French rider to wear the yellow jersey in their tour debut? Survey says Richard Verank.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Oh, 1992.

[Lance Armstrong]

That's Bradley's question.

[George]

That was, that was. That was courtesy of. You've got good questions.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[George]

Here's today's question. It is Bastille Day at the Tour. In the 2003 edition of the race, Bastille Day fell on stage nine from La Borg da Zone to Gap. Though Lance Armstrong did not win that stage in 2003. What iconic moment occurred during the crossing of the Cole Demons?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Nasty, nasty climb in Descent.

[George]

Should I, I should even my name is in there.

[Bradley Wiggins]

You. You don't tell me you don't remember.

[Lance Armstrong]

You've gotta remember.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Come on.

[Lance Armstrong]

It's like one of the most iconic moments.

[Bradley Wiggins]

All right. We won't give away too much.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[George]

I could ride a bike. I could ride a bike. That is the question. Bastille day the Tour 2003 edition the best still they fell on stage nine from Borgazone to Gap. The Lance Armstrong didn't win the stage in 03. Feels really weird asking that question as me. What iconic moment occurred during the cross crossing of the cold of month? Ventum Racing.com the move.

[Bradley Wiggins]

All right, well hey sprint day tomorrow.

[George]

You know what, keep your chin up boys. By the way, anything can still there is still a bike race for 10 more days. Yeah, these races have been hot. I, I, I, you know the if I if and I'm not rooting against poker. I think he's the greatest to ever live. So I think he should win. But you want an exciting race, you watch him at the fin. He I, I it's rare that you see him slobber. Yeah. I mean he was for not a lot of gain.

[Lance Armstrong]

Well so here's my question.

[George]

He just takes one bad day.

[Lance Armstrong]

He let's say Pigatra has a bad day.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Who.

[Lance Armstrong]

Who overtakes him?

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Well, that's a good question. Remco.

[Lance Armstrong]

Come on, we haven't got to the Alps yet.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I'm Even though he's way behind, there's no, there's. The likelihood of him making up any time is very low. But Vindegaard has got the, the record. I mean the track record. He gets usually better towards the end of a big stage race. So if poker try has a bad day, I would pick Vindegaard even though he did not have a great day today.

[Lance Armstrong]

I keep an eye on six sauce after today. Yeah, yeah, he looked good.

[Unknown Guest (possibly a cycling analyst or co-host)]

Good show.

[George]

All right, thanks for tuning in everybody. We will see you tomorrow morning.

[Lance Armstrong]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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