Session 106: Hailey Bieber

Summary

Therapuss with Jake Shane — Session 106: Hailey Bieber

Date: February 19, 2026
Host: Jake Shane
Guest: Hailey Bieber

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Overview

This milestone episode of Therapuss marks the season three premiere—and its debut on Netflix—with a guest appearance by Hailey Bieber. In Jake's signature warm yet neurotic tone, the conversation swerves between heartfelt introspection, therapeutic advice, and playful pop culture banter. Hailey brings openness, wry humor, and self-awareness, discussing everything from her approach to motherhood and building her skincare brand Rhode, to navigating fame, wellness routines, and foodie adventures in LA and Japan. The episode also delivers crowd-favorite segments where Hailey and Jake give direct advice to listener-submitted dilemmas, all seasoned with pop culture obsessions (Homeland, TikTok, New York nightlife).

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Episode Highlights

1. Season Three Launch & Life Updates

Jake, Louise, and Hailey engage in a friendly catch-up to herald the new season and Netflix move.

• Jake announces he’s heading to Broadway; Brett’s running the Tokyo Marathon.
• Recent changes: switching medications for OCD, binging Oscar movies, personal reflections.
• Notable intro detail: Recurring anxiety and self-examination are already in play, setting up the pod’s intimate-yet-comic mood.

“My OCD is like—‘what if something bad happens?’ Always. I’m always so anxious. So I’ve been really, really struggling…” —Jake (11:30)

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2. Pop Culture Obsessions & Recommendations

[19:44–23:35, 34:50–37:51]
Hailey and Jake are Homeland addicts, discuss TV as comfort, and compare notes on favorite shows and music.

• TV Comforts:
  • Hailey: Friends is her comfort show; The Office doesn’t do it for her.
  • Jake: Rides for Girls; admires its “selfish and scary” characters.
• Music Chat:
  • Hailey’s favorites: New Kid Laroi, consistently returns to Justin’s “Swag,” Olivia Dean, and Tame Impala’s latest.
  • Festival memories: Panorama, Hollywood Bowl; best venues are those with festivity, openness.

“What’s your favorite Tame Impala song?”
"Yes, I’m Changing, so good.” —Hailey (34:50)

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3. Motherhood & Family Life

[28:30–31:29, 46:06–49:16]
Hailey reflects on being a new mom, expectations vs. reality, and whether she wants a big family:

• Surprised by how relaxed she is as a parent, noting the learning curve with each day.
• Son Jack enjoys basketball and music — shouts “basketball” after naps; loves singing along to “Baby.”
• Travel adventures: recently took Jack to Japan; shares tips for handling jet lag and routines.

“Every single day, you’re just figuring out how to be a parent as you go and you’re just learning as they’re learning. It’s the coolest thing to watch a little person become their own little person.” —Hailey (29:53)

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4. Inside Rhode: Building a Skincare Brand

[43:00–57:55]
An honest, almost behind-the-scenes look at how Rhode came to be:

• Idea marinated for 4–5 years; actual development started during the 2020 pandemic.
• All product formulations pass through Hailey’s “psycho-perfectionist” filter—especially the upcoming pimple patches.
• Brand’s unisex, sporty, and accessible design is intentional.
• Anecdotes: Inspiration for the innovative lip treatment phone case struck in a casual office moment; Hailey is delighted seeing everyday people with Rhode in the wild.

“I made the line to be something that I was going to use myself … I quite literally use every single one of my own products.” —Hailey (44:04)

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5. Boundaries, People-Pleasing & Navigating the Public Eye

[93:09–98:36]
The heart of the pod: candid discussions about setting boundaries, especially as a public persona.

• Hailey unpacks her struggles with people-pleasing, recognizing how motherhood forced her to advocate for both her son and herself.
• Talks about how earlier in her career she’d over-explain herself, but learned “not responding is probably the best” after receiving wise advice.
• Friendship advice: Even with loved ones, honesty is the best policy, even if it’s hard.

"If I’m his advocate, I can be my own advocate. If I could stand up and say anything to anybody for him, then I can do it for myself." —Hailey (95:49)
"You can never lose by being honest… What do you lose by being honest?” —Hailey (93:09)

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6. Listener Advice: The Tell Me What’s Wrong Segment

[77:38–88:59]
Jake and Hailey give rapid-fire, direct, supportive answers to diverse listener dilemmas:

• Secret Relationships: Advise honesty with friends when revealing a hidden romance. (78:06)
• Cheating Parents & Bribes: Confront the parent, don’t take hush money: “It’s not fair for you to ask me to keep this a secret when it’s such a big deal.” (80:13)
• People-Pleasing in Friendships: Lay down boundaries, communicate needs honestly—especially when feeling sidelined by friends or family.
• Fitness Motivation: Hailey and Jake both advocate starting slow and letting jealousy or admiration of others become motivation. Walking is the recommended entry point, not HIIT classes.

“Start slow, start with little things. Go for a walk. You don’t have to start by going to HIIT classes. You can start—start slow, try something new.” —Hailey (88:49)

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7. Wellness & Medicines

[43:39–45:43, 44:41–45:10]
Hailey is a “vitamin obsessive,” influenced by her homeopathic parents:

• Daily supplements: immunity, magnesium, cortisol-calming, de-bloating, collagen, etc.
• Family tradition: Both recall being forced to take fish oil as kids—“disgusting, but sets you up for life.”

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8. LA Food, Travel & Lifestyle

[66:42–74:54]
For foodies and travelers:

• LA fave restaurants: Giorgio Baldi (Italian), Sushi Park and Sushifumi (sushi), Anna Jack (Thai), Bossa Nova (Brazilian comfort).
• Dessert: Hailey always orders dessert at restaurants; Jake prefers to leave and get dessert elsewhere.
• East Coast nostalgia: Both reminisce about Friendly’s ice cream and soft-serve stands.

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9. Coping With Social Media & Public Scrutiny

[62:43–65:58]
Hailey reveals TikTok both amuses and makes her anxious; she avoids “chatting into the camera” because of nitpicking and finds herself sharing less:

"When they started nitpicking everything … now I keep to myself more because of how intense it’s gotten.” —Hailey (64:03)

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10. Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Dating Panic & Obsession:
  “Sometimes I feel like I’m experiencing the feelings of a 14-year-old girl for the first time as a 26-year-old gay man—because I didn’t have this in high school or college.” —Jake (09:40)
• On Product Perfectionism:
  “I don’t want to create something if I think it’s not the best version. If it’s not the best on the market, I don’t want to put it out.” —Hailey (54:23)
• On Taking Social Risks:
  “Sharing what you want to share, not what you don’t want to share—that’s the boundary I keep online.” —Hailey (64:38)
• On Honesty:
  “Lying … pisses me off to no end … I catch it every time. If you want to go there, we can go there.” —Hailey (83:09)
• On Advice for Responding to Public Criticism:
  “Not responding is probably the best … every time I wanted to react to something, I learned ignoring and moving on was best.” —Hailey (100:05)

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Key Timestamps

• 19:44 — Hailey joins; Homeland TV chat begins.
• 28:30 — Hailey talks about motherhood and her son Jack.
• 43:00 — The inner workings and origin story of Rhode.
• 57:55 — Upcoming Rhode product launches.
• 64:01 — Discussion about sharing (or not sharing) on social media.
• 77:38 — Tell Me What’s Wrong: Listener submissions and advice.
• 93:09 — Deep dive into people pleasing and honest boundaries.
• 100:05 — Hailey's best advice: Don't respond when frustrated.
• 101:13 — Playful debate: favorite proteins, ending on a lighthearted note.

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Final Thoughts

This episode exemplifies the unique blend of candor, wit, and comfort that Therapuss offers:

• Hailey delivers real talk about fame, family, and business without veering into PR-polish.
• Jake’s unfiltered, self-deprecating style provides relatability for listeners wrestling with similar anxieties and insecurities.
• The “Tell Me What’s Wrong” advice remains the backbone, giving the show accessible, actionable—and very funny—therapy-lite.

Memorable closer:
Jake: “Thanks for joining us for the premiere of season three with the one and only Hailey Bieber.”
Hailey: “Thanks for watching. I love you. Bye.” (105:18)

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This episode is perfect for: fans of candid celebrity interviews, pop culture obsessives, those seeking comfort in shared vulnerability, and anyone interested in the real process behind celebrity-founded brands.

Transcript

[Jake]

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[Haley Bieber]

Stop.

[Jake]

Seriously? Hey, seriously.

[Louise]

I've been doing this more.

[Jake]

Have you really?

[Louise]

I'm sorry. It's really addictive.

[Jake]

No, it. It really is. Clock it.

[Haley Bieber]

Clock it.

[Jake]

Hi. Hi. We are so apart these days.

[Louise]

It's really upsetting, but it's also exciting because it's cool things happening for you and you. Well, yes, thank you, but.

[Jake]

So we have two big announcements that were I'm going to Broadway and Brett's going to Tokyo.

[Louise]

Yep. Yeah.

[Jake]

Brett is running the Tokyo Marathon.

[Louise]

I'm running the Tokyo Marathon on March 1, so it's still a bit of a ways away, but it's soon enough.

[Jake]

Are you excited? Where's Cassandra? Oh, she's right here. Are you excited?

[Louise]

I'm very excited. It's my first ever international marathon, which is cool. Yeah. I can't wait. Like, I'm just gonna be like, in Japan for 10 days.

[Haley Bieber]

It's pretty cool.

[Louise]

And you were just there.

[Jake]

I was just there.

[Louise]

So we're like very like, we're in sync, but we're out of sync.

[Jake]

Yes. Yeah. Japan. I just went to Japan. It was so amazing. I think.

[Haley Bieber]

Are you jet lagged?

[Jake]

No, I beat the jet lag.

[Louise]

You seem totally fine.

[Jake]

And I'll. I'll tell you why I beat the jet lag. I slept the whole flight. So then I woke. I landed at like 8am and I just. I didn't let myself sleep all day. And it was Super Bowl Sunday and I went to a Super bowl thing and then I got home and I got a Benadryl IV.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

At like 8:30, so. Because I knew that if I didn't, I would wake up in the middle of the night.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Which I still did, but I was able to go back to bed because I had that. Yeah. And so I just slept the whole night.

[Louise]

That's wonderful. I'm taking notes for when I come home.

[Jake]

I beat the jet lag. Well, I. I think I beat the jet lag. But now I fly tonight to New.

[Louise]

York, which is just.

[Jake]

Yeah, but for good. For very good reason.

[Louise]

It's so exciting. We need to talk about it. We need to talk about it.

[Jake]

I'm so excited.

[Louise]

What seat are you in?

[Jake]

Nederlander.

[Louise]

Okay. Where is that?

[Jake]

Like, if I named any theater, would you have known?

[Louise]

Yes, because you forget I went to theater camp.

[Jake]

Well, should we, like, what are some, like, updates in our life? It's been a very long time since the last therapist episode.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Since what, November has it been since November? A lot has changed.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And a lot has stayed the same.

[Louise]

Yes. But you've been gone for a lot.

[Jake]

I changed my meds. Yeah.

[Louise]

How is that going?

[Jake]

I think. I don't know.

[Louise]

Prozac.

[Jake]

I. I changed from Prozac to Luvox.

[Louise]

Okay.

[Jake]

I'm on, like, the highest dosage of Luvox.

[Louise]

Okay.

[Jake]

It's supposed to help for my ocd, which it has. I have noticed that it has helped.

[Louise]

I feel like you've been.

[Jake]

Yeah, I've noticed. I don't think it's helped with, like, my, like, my. My mania. Like, you know, like, I, I, I, I. I'm very happy, and then I'm very, very sad, and then I, you know, like, it. It really does. So he's. My new psychiatrist, is, like, trying to put me on Wellbutrin. Really? Are you.

[Louise]

I'm on Wellbutrin, remember?

[Jake]

Wait, you knew that? Yes. Wait, wait.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

How can you tell me? Do you like.

[Louise]

I like it a lot. I went on it when I.

[Jake]

For depression.

[Louise]

For depression. When I was.

[Jake]

Girl, you were sad, Girl, I was.

[Louise]

In a rough spot.

[Jake]

Spot, yeah. You were sad.

[Louise]

And people don't know that sometimes, but. And then I've just stayed and.

[Jake]

Do you have thoughts on it?

[Louise]

I. I have had a great experience.

[Jake]

Do you notice it's made you happier?

[Louise]

It definitely helped when, like, when I first went on, because it was just, like, tears galore for me. It was spring of 2024. You remember? It was just bad, bad, bad, bad vibes, and I've just stayed on because I really. I really like it. I just find that it, you know, even killed, you know, I just.

[Jake]

My one thing is, like, I'm like, do I want to, like, be on all these meds all the time?

[Louise]

Yeah. And that's what. I didn't try an antidepressant for so long for that reason. But I don't think that's a reason to not try it.

[Jake]

I know. I think I might as well try it. I think I'm gonna try it. Maybe After I do Broadway.

[Louise]

Good idea.

[Jake]

Just because I, I.

[Louise]

You already have a lot of, like, different variables that will be entering while you're on Broadway because it's just all these new things. So you might want to try it when you're in a bit more controlled environment. Like, you're back at home, like, Right. You know, like, you're back just in your normal routine.

[Jake]

We also binge watched a lot of television this winter.

[Louise]

Yes. You put me on Homeland, and then I.

[Jake]

You stopped.

[Louise]

Yeah, I did stop.

[Jake]

But, like, respectfully, after season two, it really does go downhill for a second.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

It really picks up in season eight, which is the final season.

[Louise]

And that's just too much. I can't get.

[Jake]

It's a lot. But I really, like, gave it my all because I did all her. I'll tell you, my binge watching journ me. I start. I started with all her fault. Then I went to Beast of Me. Then after Beast of Me, because Claire Danes is in Beast of Me. I saw Homeland was on Netflix. I did Homeland. Homeland took up a lot of my time.

[Louise]

Had you watched it before?

[Jake]

I did the first three seasons when it was on. When it was airing.

[Louise]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Jake]

And then so I. I did it. I. I redid it again.

[Louise]

What else have you watched?

[Jake]

I'm. I'm doing all the Oscar movies, so I've been super excited. I've been doing all the Oscar movies.

[Louise]

Which, like, I just. I have a lot of respect for. Just because, you know, I'm not a movie person and I know that it's, like, hard of those.

[Jake]

I'm way more of a television person.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

But so people say, like, reading is a muscle. I also find to be, like, watching television and movies a muscle.

[Louise]

I agree. Specifically movies, I think.

[Jake]

Right. Because I think with television, I am going full throttle into, like, a world. You know what I mean?

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And then with movies, I'm only entering the world for two hours.

[Louise]

Yeah. But you have to be, like, paying attention. Yeah.

[Jake]

So I've seen Marty Supreme. I've seen one battle after another.

[Louise]

Have you seen F1?

[Jake]

No. I'm about to watch F1.

[Louise]

I watched F1. It was good.

[Jake]

Okay. I'm excited. I've seen Train Dreams.

[Louise]

Huh.

[Jake]

So this movie. Well, I don't know. I don't know. It is. It was one. It was seriously probably the most moving piece of work I've, like, seen in recent memory.

[Louise]

Wow.

[Jake]

It was really beautiful. Then I watched Hamnet.

[Louise]

How was that?

[Jake]

Hamnet was just.

[Louise]

Was it amazing?

[Jake]

And I don't like Period pieces. Okay, I'm gonna say it. I don't. And I've said it before. I. I don't like them. Jesse Buckley, have you seen Hamnet? Holy mother of God.

[Louise]

Is it related to Hamlet?

[Jake]

Okay, So. Yes.

[Haley Bieber]

Okay.

[Louise]

I thought so. I just didn't know.

[Jake]

So basically, William Shakespeare had a son named Hamnet who died and it inspired him to write Full Body Chills. It inspired him to write Hamlet. Wow. That I watch. If I had legs, I'd kick you. Which is also amazing. Really good. Did you watch that? Yes. So good. So good.

[Louise]

Oh, yeah. You have letterboxd.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

Are you like updating that?

[Jake]

Sometimes. Yeah. But I get so scared to share my opinion. Like, I don't know, like, sometimes people are so rude and I'm like, I just like, the cinephiles are like. And I just like, I don't, like, I don't want to like. Deal.

[Louise]

Yeah. They're intense. I feel like.

[Jake]

Yeah. And you know, still out there on the dating scene.

[Louise]

Yeah. You've had some experiences.

[Jake]

That's. Yeah. That's a great, phenomenal way to put it. Thank you.

[Louise]

You're welcome.

[Jake]

I called Cassie the other day. I was in such a chipper mood and I was like, hi. And she goes, hi. What guy are you talking to? I am so male centered.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I am so. Oh.

[Louise]

I mean, we don't have to get into it, but sometimes it's just. It's a bit much.

[Jake]

Tell me more.

[Louise]

When you were crashing out and I was like, you got to stop. This is just your putting this person on a pedestal.

[Jake]

I know.

[Louise]

And by the way, it was genuinely too much.

[Jake]

And Louise stopped it. Actually, she did. And you want to know, it really.

[Louise]

Just always comes in clutch.

[Jake]

Do you want to know how she stopped it?

[Louise]

How?

[Jake]

Have you ever heard the song In My Head by Ariana Grande? There's this line in. In my house where it's a look at you, boy, I invented you.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Like the version of you that I am crashing out over. I don't know you.

[Louise]

Exactly.

[Jake]

It was all in my head. Louise, you've never done. And I, like, I don't think I've ever really listened. Oh, my God. I listen, I was in the shower, like, boy, I invented you. Like, I was literally like. And you know what? Sometimes I feel like I'm experiencing the feelings of a 14 year old girl for the first time as a 26 year old gay man. Do you know what I mean?

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Because I didn't have this in high school or college, really. Because I was so busy, people pleasing and, like, trying to be cool. So, like, now that I'm, like, finally, like, allowing myself to, like, be romantic without, like, whatever, I'm, like, experiencing that of, like, a teenage girl.

[Louise]

Yeah. And that's okay.

[Jake]

But that makes sense. I think, like, that. That I am so, you know. But I am. It's. I. I really like the music. Music has really gotten me through it. Like. Yeah, it really has. It really.

[Louise]

Don't you feel vindicated now, like, having gotten through that and being able to, like, reflect and now most likely you. The cr. The next crash out won't be as bad, hopefully.

[Jake]

I. I mean, Brett, of course it will be just as bad.

[Louise]

Well, I hope that you can learn from this at least.

[Jake]

I can't.

[Louise]

Okay, well, that's your own doing.

[Jake]

I know. Like, you know, what else is there to talk about? Katya.

[Haley Bieber]

Hey.

[Louise]

I was actually gonna say caches.

[Jake]

Okay. So we should talk about Kacchas.

[Louise]

I would love nothing where. I'm so excited for you, Brett.

[Jake]

A few years ago, brought back these gummies.

[Louise]

They gagged us all.

[Jake]

It really did. Like, we. And look at the rainbow. Gay Pride gummies. Like, we like. And so.

[Louise]

They're so good.

[Jake]

And so then I met with them and we really got along.

[Louise]

Hell, yeah.

[Jake]

It's amazing.

[Haley Bieber]

It's amazing, actually.

[Jake]

Like, so excited for everyone to, like, try them.

[Louise]

They're so good.

[Jake]

So. And. And it's gonna be amazing. I want to do a big trip to Germany.

[Louise]

I would love that. Because I've never been.

[Jake]

I've never been either.

[Louise]

Oh, my God.

[Jake]

I really want to go.

[Louise]

Where are their headquarters in Germany?

[Jake]

I think near Dusseldorf. Love Ye.

[Louise]

I'm very excited for you. It's going to be awesome.

[Jake]

There is a lot more to come. We're going to do a lot of fun stuff with it, and I'm really excited.

[Louise]

Yay.

[Jake]

I really, really, really excited.

[Louise]

I'm excited.

[Jake]

And I'm really struggling to be excited because, you know, my OCD is like, well, what if something bad happens? Always. I'm always so anxious. So I've been really, really struggling with that. But I've been journaling. It has been very helpful.

[Louise]

Yeah, you have been journaling.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

I think is important.

[Jake]

Speaking of, do you know because of AI that, like, kids in school have to write their essays now?

[Louise]

Good.

[Haley Bieber]

Good.

[Jake]

I agree.

[Louise]

I seriously. AI scares me so much.

[Jake]

It scares me so much.

[Louise]

And this is what I'm hoping. So I feel like it's. There's been, like, a boomerang effect kind of. So it's like, before, it was, like, pre technology, and then it was. Now it's like, over here. Or like, for us, it was over here. Where, like, instead of for us. In my school system, instead of learning cursive, we, like, kind of learned cursive, but then we learned typing. And so then it went like this way where it's like, okay, we're learning all the electronic stuff. I'm hoping that. That it comes back and it goes back to, like, cursive in schools. Handwriting, not having electronics, not having phones, like, whatever. Because we realize how fudgeed up it's making our brains. Like the children that.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Haley Bieber]

You know what I mean?

[Louise]

Does that make sense?

[Jake]

No. Yes, that does.

[Louise]

That makes complete. Right now, the boomerang is, like, all the way out there.

[Jake]

My question is, how can you. How can teachers tell if it's AI? Because it's gotten to the point where.

[Louise]

It'S like, I think that they can't. And that's the point. And, like, we had to, like, comb through, like, the library databases. You know what I mean?

[Jake]

But, you know, what would someone say to us to. That we would have to comb through books?

[Louise]

100.

[Jake]

Not to play devil's advocate, I think AI is terrible.

[Louise]

I totally agree.

[Jake]

But I'm just saying, like. But also at the same time, I think it. It's just the definition of it can only go so far.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And it's bad for the environment.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

How? I don't know.

[Louise]

It's.

[Jake]

But I know that it is.

[Louise]

It's because it uses, like, a lot of energy for, like, one search. Like, more than. Way more than Google.

[Jake]

It's water for the cooling systems to keep the servers run. So it uses a bunch of water that. Wow, Nolan, thank you. That we have to talk about the pop up bagel collab. Yeah.

[Louise]

That was really fun.

[Jake]

It shook the world. It, like, really shook the world in a very serious way. No, did you see the one? I run la. I run la. And it was Bratz Dessert bowl butter.

[Louise]

Yeah. People.

[Haley Bieber]

Really?

[Jake]

It's amazing. It was.

[Louise]

It got. I knew that it was, like, gonna be, like, a fun, like, whatever, but I was not anticipating it becoming, like. But as big and as, like, exciting as it did.

[Jake]

I just feel like you, though, specifically do partnerships that make so much sense every single time.

[Louise]

Thank you.

[Jake]

Bloom. Pop up bagels. I mean, the first one. Organic orange, True fru.

[Louise]

Yeah, Anything Nike.

[Jake]

Nike. Anything else in the works that you can hint at.

[Louise]

Something more with Nike.

[Jake]

Oh, really?

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Okay. Yeah, we can cut that if need be.

[Haley Bieber]

I think it's fine.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Haley Bieber]

Whatever.

[Louise]

And I'm trying to think what else. I think that that's, like, the main thing I can say.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Louise]

But about, like, the partnership thing. Thank you. And that's something that I really want to continue because I think that that's very important. Oh, I have more merch coming out.

[Jake]

Oh. I mean, but the talk about I run laugh. Have you seen anyone in the wild.

[Louise]

Wearing it still to this day? No, because I saw people at, like, the Chicago Marathon Expo, but I don't think that counts because that's not in the wild.

[Jake]

Like, Imani was in Trader Joe's and saw someone wearing the bites. It is. It really is the most comfortable hoodie. I wear it every day.

[Louise]

You wear it so much. I wear it every day.

[Jake]

I wear it every single day.

[Louise]

I'm wearing on the plane tonight. So I have more coming out. I still have yet to see one, though, and I really want to. I was excited to go to New York the other week because I really thought that I was going to see one in New York, but sick. I got really sick and kind of sick. I was so sick.

[Jake]

Did your aura ring tell you before, like, you are your week?

[Louise]

I woke up that morning and my readiness score was a 30, which is the lowest it's ever been. It's normally in, like, the 80s.

[Jake]

What did you have? Did you have the flu?

[Louise]

I never tested positive for the flu, but I only tested on my first day of symptoms. And sometimes you test negative then, like, I would have had to go back.

[Jake]

Oh, bruh. I'm so sorry. Did you watch anything?

[Louise]

I watched ahead of Tell me Lies?

[Haley Bieber]

A little.

[Louise]

I need to catch up because I have the screener.

[Jake]

I need to catch up. Are you watching Tell me Lies? Brett, have you ever watched Industry?

[Louise]

Louise not watching Tell me Lies is so off brand.

[Jake]

I kind of agree.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah. I just don't want to see the toxic.

[Jake]

Like.

[Haley Bieber]

Like, I understand rivalry.

[Jake]

No. Louise is a gay man trapped in a woman's body. Email the other day, and I wrote, oh, like, this sounds great, but I'm gonna be away. Louise texted me I. Because I was gonna be in Japan, Louise texted me in quotes. I'm gonna be away obsessed.

[Haley Bieber]

I said, gonna be away. Like, I'm away. Like, that's just such a country way.

[Louise]

To say it is.

[Jake]

She is gay. She's gay, man. He did r to a psychosis of source sorts. It really did. My best friend said, because he knew how affected I would be by it. He said, jake, please just. Can you wait till the New Year to watch it. Like, please. Because you're like. Because I was so alone with my thoughts when I watched it. It was during the break, and I literally. I was like. I was. I was like, why not me? Like, do you know what I mean? I was like, why not me?

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Why isn't that my life?

[Louise]

Well, it could be.

[Jake]

But yes. What a beautiful, moving piece of work. Just incredible. Round of applause for heated rivalry.

[Louise]

It was wonderful.

[Jake]

Yeah. Nolan, did you watch? No, I considered it. Should I start it? What the hell? Also, sorry. My brain's going all over the place. One of the last things I'll say is there are a lot of people who, when Tortured Poets came out, were like, how could you write this entire album about someone you only saw for a few months? Let me tell you, that is real. That is real. Okay? Because when I was crashing out over someone that I saw far less than months that on repeat, start to motherfucking finish.

[Louise]

And that album is just so good.

[Jake]

It's the best. It's the best.

[Louise]

It's so good.

[Jake]

And I just want to tell you, like, if you're questioning, like, how can those feelings be real? They are real. Yeah. And I just want to put that out there. Like, I was listening to. No, it was down bad.

[Louise]

Down bad.

[Jake]

Down bad was really. Because I was like, yeah. Now I am literally at the gym, upset.

[Louise]

Wow.

[Jake]

I'm at the gym and I'm upset. Yeah. And you beamed me up just to put me down.

[Louise]

So good.

[Jake]

I love her, so. But, yeah. Therapists is on Netflix now.

[Haley Bieber]

Yay.

[Louise]

You're on Broadway.

[Jake]

I'm gonna go on Broadway. I guess I would have already done it by now. Last night would have been my debut. And Brett is gonna run the Tokyo marathon.

[Louise]

Yay.

[Jake]

And I'm so excited. And at the end of the day, it is all because of you guys. Every single person that watches this podcast. When I first started this, I had no idea what was gonna happen.

[Louise]

It's really beautiful.

[Jake]

It is so beautiful. It is a testament to you guys. Thanks for sticking with me even when I didn't do a good job and I could have done better. I don't know. Like, sometimes I don't do, like, the best. Sometimes I think I watched something back and, like, I could have been better, but, like, people. But, like, you guys still stuck with me. And now we're on Netflix.

[Louise]

It's crazy.

[Jake]

Which is the craziest thing ever.

[Louise]

I'm so proud of you.

[Jake]

I'm so proud of you. Oh, thank you. I love you. I love you please enjoy the season three premiere of Therapists with Hailey Bieber. Bye. Hi, welcome to the season premiere of Of Puss. We are on Netflix now and our season premiere guest is. That was so horrible and so awkward. I'm so sorry. Haley Bieber.

[Haley Bieber]

Hi.

[Jake]

Hi. My friends always say that they're surprised you haven't blocked my number yet.

[Haley Bieber]

Why?

[Jake]

Because I text you every day.

[Haley Bieber]

Jake has been texting me a lot. But with good reason. But with good reason. Should we say why?

[Jake]

We've been watching Homelands and we just finished.

[Haley Bieber]

I just pulled up outside and finished this, the series finale. And it's 10 minutes in the car because I promised Jake that I was going to power through.

[Jake]

And it was hard.

[Haley Bieber]

And it was hard.

[Jake]

It was hard.

[Haley Bieber]

It was hard, but we did it.

[Jake]

Did you have a favorite season besides one? Because one's the best.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, one was amazing. Eight did end up being really good.

[Jake]

It was good.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah.

[Jake]

It was good to make ourselves sound.

[Haley Bieber]

Like we have no life.

[Jake]

No, but we do. And we could. We could be legitimate spies.

[Haley Bieber]

Legit.

[Jake]

We could. Because I know how they. And I wonder if that is, like, legit how they do everything.

[Haley Bieber]

Here's the thing. I think my biggest takeaway from Homeland is that Carrie is crazy. Crazy.

[Jake]

She's a crazy off her fucking rocker.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah.

[Jake]

She's not well.

[Haley Bieber]

She's not well.

[Jake]

I don't know how the government hired her for as long as they hired her.

[Haley Bieber]

Like, she got to points where I was like, this is not realistic because they would never keep her ass. But then she's so brilliant and so smart. So maybe they would. But I was like, they would never keep her around.

[Jake]

So what I was confused about throughout the entirety of the show is, like, the jaw. Like, is she so Brit? Like, does the job take that level of brilliance? Like, are they not just, like, following?

[Haley Bieber]

Maybe you should get an ex CIA agent.

[Jake]

Yeah, I know, I know. That's what I was thinking.

[Haley Bieber]

I need to do that.

[Jake]

I know. I was thinking maybe I get, like, experts on this season. Like. Like experts in the field.

[Haley Bieber]

Maybe you need to just get care. Claire Danes. Hello, Claire.

[Jake]

Come on the show. She's Carrie. Ask her.

[Haley Bieber]

Ask her to get in. How did you get inside the mind of Carrie? Because clearly she.

[Jake]

She.

[Haley Bieber]

She killed that character. But I was just so shook at how did you. Did you watch out? Yeah, I did. It was.

[Jake]

Did you start Homeland after Beast and Me?

[Haley Bieber]

No, I started Homeland first, and then Beast and me came out.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Haley Bieber]

Because Homeland came onto Netflix and I was like, I've never seen this show before. I'm gonna start it. So I started it, and then I watched Beast and Me. And then kind of watching both.

[Jake]

Did you like Beast in Me?

[Haley Bieber]

I did, yeah.

[Jake]

And the Beast in me has the guy from the Americans and.

[Haley Bieber]

Right.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Haley Bieber]

Two favorite spies.

[Jake]

What's your favorite show of all time?

[Haley Bieber]

The one that I always can go back to repeatedly, that is my comfort show would be Friends.

[Jake]

It doesn't do it for me.

[Haley Bieber]

Really? That's how I feel. People are gonna hate me for saying this about the Office.

[Jake]

Oh, same. I can't.

[Haley Bieber]

It doesn't do it for me. I like. I love Steve Carell. And it just. It. It's like one of those things I think you like, like it or you don't. It's not that I don't like it. It's just.

[Louise]

I don't.

[Haley Bieber]

It doesn't do it for me in the way it does it for other people.

[Jake]

A thousand people ride for that show.

[Haley Bieber]

Ride.

[Jake]

Right. I can't do it. Yeah. I can't do it. I. I watched Friends when I was like, a kid. Like, I did a few seasons, but, like, my roommate, like. Like, it's her. It's the only show she'll watch for is the Office. It's the Friends.

[Haley Bieber]

Oh, Friends. Yeah. Like, Friends is. I can turn it on anytime at night and it falls into it and it just does it for me.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I think my favorite show of all time is probably Girls.

[Haley Bieber]

Didn't we talk about this?

[Jake]

Yes.

[Louise]

That.

[Haley Bieber]

I watched Girls for the first time in my life this year, too, and did.

[Jake]

What did you think?

[Haley Bieber]

It shook me.

[Jake]

Were you like, I'm so happy. I'm married with children.

[Haley Bieber]

It wasn't even about that. It was about the insufferableness of so many of the characters.

[Jake]

Yeah, they were. You were like, they are not scared.

[Haley Bieber]

Me, Like, I was like, like, surely people aren't like this.

[Jake]

I'm like that.

[Haley Bieber]

Like, that's why you said every single character on that show is a little scary for one reason or another.

[Jake]

Right.

[Haley Bieber]

But I. Maybe it's. That's what it's supposed to make you feel. And it's supposed to be this harsh, stark reality of it.

[Jake]

I watched it, like, in full, like, one year when I like the. For, I think. No, maybe my second year post grad from college. And so I was like, in that mindset, I was like, that is who I am to my core. Like, selfish and scary.

[Haley Bieber]

I mean, listen, I think we all are like that and can be like that, but I was just like, Watching it with this lens of, like, if I'm like this, I need to not be like this. Like. But from so many different idiosyncrasies and quirks of the different characters. I felt the same way about Sex in the City.

[Jake]

You have a really large vocabulary.

[Haley Bieber]

Really?

[Jake]

Yes. Idiosyncrasies.

[Haley Bieber]

So, like, thank you.

[Jake]

You know, I was so Sad for your 2016 dump.

[Haley Bieber]

You were so sad?

[Jake]

Sat.

[Haley Bieber]

Oh, I thought you said sad. Why were you so sad? No, sat Sad. It was a time. How old were you in 2016? Okay, so you were. I was old enough.

[Jake]

I was old enough. Was it just the best year of all time?

[Haley Bieber]

It was fun. I will say, like, 2014-2017 was a really crazy time. It was so fun.

[Jake]

What was it like?

[Haley Bieber]

Tell me what it was like in 2014 when 2014 would have been the year I was graduating high school. Yeah.

[Jake]

How old are you now?

[Haley Bieber]

I'm 29, so I was. Yeah, 18 in 2014. And I would have been. That was my senior year of high school. Didn't finish. Whatever. That's a whole other conversation. I've already beat the dead horse of not graduating. I'm not getting into it again. So I moved into New York city September of 2014. So I was 17. I turned 18 in November of 2014. And I was just ripping it. Like, I moved into the city. I was like, traveling. I was working. I lived with my older sister at the time. And it was wild. It was so fun. I mean, it was like I met all. I met all my friends that I'm still best friends with right to this day. Know all my core group of friends have been my best friends since I was 7, 16, 17.

[Jake]

Oh, that's when you met everyone?

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Cuz where did you grow actually grow up? You grew up here or you grew up in Arizona?

[Haley Bieber]

I grew up in New York.

[Jake]

What?

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, I'm from New York.

[Jake]

Wait, why did I think you were from Arizona?

[Haley Bieber]

I was born in Arizona.

[Jake]

That's it? Yeah, that's it.

[Haley Bieber]

Born in Tucson and then. Well, my dad is from New York. My mom's from Brazil, but she grew, like, moved to New York when she was.

[Jake]

Where in New York were you from?

[Haley Bieber]

I was from a place called Nyack, which is Rockland County. Yeah.

[Jake]

Yes. I used to live in Westchester.

[Haley Bieber]

Oh, no way.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Haley Bieber]

When? Why?

[Jake]

Like when I was 6 to 11. Westchester. And then I moved to the city, and then I lived in the city, and then I moved out here.

[Haley Bieber]

Okay, cool.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Haley Bieber]

So you're from the east coast too?

[Jake]

Yes.

[Haley Bieber]

I grew up right across the bridge from you, the Tappan Sea Bridge. And then I moved into the city when I was 17, and it was just. It was just so fun. It's like, it was my first experience with going out and clubs and, you know, just because I didn't go to high school, so I never really had that experience. So for me, it was almost like I was getting the most extreme version.

[Jake]

Of, like, high school and college.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And then when did you come out here?

[Haley Bieber]

I came out here in 2018 when I got married. Otherwise, I would have never come out. I wouldn't have lived here if it wasn't for that.

[Jake]

And where'd you guys get married again?

[Haley Bieber]

We got married in New York City in a courthouse. And then we got married a year. Like, had a wedding a year later.

[Jake]

And where was the wedding?

[Haley Bieber]

South Carolina.

[Jake]

And then where did you guys go for your honeymoon?

[Haley Bieber]

We did a honeymoon when we got married married, so like, a year before. And then we went on a honeymoon, too. Italy, like Amalfi.

[Jake]

I've never.

[Haley Bieber]

It was nice. Yeah. Super. Super cool.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Haley Bieber]

It's a good spot. And the food, obviously, is amazing.

[Jake]

Yeah, right? Yeah. Yeah. The food in South Carolina is amazing, too.

[Haley Bieber]

The food in South Carolina is amazing. My wedding cake came from, like, a local bakery in Charleston.

[Jake]

Oh, so good.

[Haley Bieber]

It was so good. Like, I think about it to this day.

[Jake]

What was the bakery?

[Haley Bieber]

I don't remember the name of it, to be honest, but I remember it was just, like, this great classic vanilla on vanilla cake. Like, just buttery and Southern and yummy.

[Jake]

Right.

[Haley Bieber]

It was great. Our wedding was, honestly, really, really fun. We had a great time. It was, like, all of our friends and family, and it was beautiful.

[Jake]

And how old were you when you got married?

[Haley Bieber]

I was 21.

[Jake]

What?

[Haley Bieber]

So we got married when I was 21, like, legally. And then I turned 22, like, two months later. And then when we had my wedding, I was about to turn 20, 23.

[Jake]

Got it.

[Haley Bieber]

Children.

[Jake]

Children.

[Haley Bieber]

Very young children. Yeah. But pretty crazy.

[Jake]

Worked out.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Haley Bieber]

Here we are.

[Jake]

Here you are.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And how old. How old your son? He's one.

[Haley Bieber]

He's one. He's 16 months.

[Jake]

Is he talking? Yeah. Stop.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah. He's so cute.

[Jake]

What does he say?

[Haley Bieber]

So he talks a lot about basketball. He says basketball all the time. I went to get him up from his nap today, and, like, he was like, basketball. Like, he's just.

[Louise]

Just.

[Haley Bieber]

It's insane. It's so funny. He also just started saying, please. I'm like, say please. He. He knew how to Sign please for a really long time. So if I would say, hey, say please, he would go like this as please. And now he goes, peace. Oh, it's so cute. It's so fun.

[Jake]

What's it like being a mom?

[Haley Bieber]

It is so fun. I've. I always knew I wanted kids. I always wanted to be a mom. And then when it happens, it's just like you never know what to expect and you don't know what it's going to be like. And it honestly is just. It's so much fun.

[Jake]

What was like, the thing that, like, you were like, I. No one warned me about this and I wasn't expecting it.

[Haley Bieber]

It's a whole bunch of you just don't know what's gonna happen until you get there. I think something that I feel did surprise me though was I. I feel like I'm a lot more relaxed as a mom than I thought I would be, I think, especially as a first time mom.

[Jake]

Right. Because do you think you were going to be like, stressed about like the house and the safety?

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, I think I thought I was going to be a lot more. And. And I did, like, when I first had him, I definitely had more anxiety about, you know, when they're so small, it's a lot scarier.

[Jake]

Right.

[Haley Bieber]

But even so, I was a lot more relaxed about everything than I. Than I thought because I realized that you just figure it out as you go. Like every single day, you're just figuring out how to be a parent as you go and you're just learning as they're learning. And I think it's just the coolest thing to watch a little person become their own little person. Like, I'm watching him get his personality. I'm seeing what he's into. He likes basketball, he likes this thing, you know, it's like, it's so fun.

[Jake]

Does he ever listen to Justin's music?

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, he does. He. He's been saying, baby, oh, baby, oh, baby, oh. And I'm like, like in literally in the last two days. That is so crazy.

[Jake]

Does he. Is he walking? He's walking, right?

[Haley Bieber]

He's running.

[Jake]

Shut up.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, he's running. He's kicking a soccer ball. He's throwing the soccer ball.

[Jake]

Oh, so he's gonna be a sporty kid so far. Yeah.

[Haley Bieber]

Like, he's into all of it.

[Jake]

Oh my God, I love babies. Yeah.

[Haley Bieber]

He's so cute. I have to show you.

[Jake]

Wait. I don't think I've ever seen a photo of him.

[Haley Bieber]

Really? I just shaved his. His head. Well, I didn't shave it, but I got his.

[Jake]

He got a haircut so blonde.

[Haley Bieber]

Look like dad. Dad. He honestly looks identical to him.

[Jake]

Oh, my God. That is just it. Louise, you have to see. Come here. I'm gonna freak the out. Oh, no. I'm gonna be sick. I'm gonna be sick.

[Haley Bieber]

He looks exactly, actually.

[Jake]

Oh, my God, I'm gonna be sick.

[Haley Bieber]

I know.

[Jake]

Let me see that again.

[Haley Bieber]

He's so cute.

[Jake]

Oh, my God.

[Haley Bieber]

Isn't that crazy?

[Jake]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. He's adorable. He's like the perfect mix of you guys.

[Haley Bieber]

I know. It's kind of trippy.

[Jake]

Who are you listening to right now?

[Haley Bieber]

I'm listening to. I really love the new Kid Laroi album, Swag, of course. Consistently.

[Jake]

And Swag, too.

[Haley Bieber]

Always go back to it. Because I just think it's such a great album. It's such a good. Listen to me top to bottom. Obviously, maybe I'm a little biased, but, like, I think the sign of a great album is, like, when you've given it time and then you go back to listening to it. And I just constantly keep going back to it. What else am I listening to? Let's check.

[Jake]

Are you Spotify or Apple Music?

[Haley Bieber]

I'm Apple Music.

[Jake]

Really? Yeah.

[Haley Bieber]

I'm not a Spotify. Love. Spotify. Love you guys. Yeah, but I'm not a user. I love Tim's new album, really into that Love. Olivia Dean's new love, like, Running that into the ground. Do I also really like the Tame Impala album, the new one?

[Jake]

Oh, I only heard a few songs from it, but I heard it's good.

[Haley Bieber]

Favorite. Favorite, like, of all time. I love Tame Impala. There he. Kevin Parker.

[Jake]

Is it just one guy?

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Haley Bieber]

Totally, totally, totally, totally, totally.

[Jake]

Have you seen him live?

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, I have.

[Jake]

Do you see the latest show?

[Haley Bieber]

You know what was really sad? I was supposed to go, and then the person I was supposed to go with was like, hey, I'm actually going to like one of the shows earlier in the week, but I'll go with you again. And then. And then you don't want to be that girl that's like, yeah, come with me again after you just went 48 hours ago. It's okay. Like, I'll find somebody else to go with me. And then I never found anybody to go with me, so I didn't get to go. And it was their last show of the US Tour, and so I almost went by myself because I'm such a massive fan. I can stand there by myself with a glass of wine and Sing every song word for word. But I was like, I don't know if I love going to the Forum by myself and, like, being there alone. And it all worked out. I don't think I was meant to be there.

[Jake]

But you'll. You'll see them eventually.

[Haley Bieber]

I did see Tame Impala a few times before. I saw them at Panorama Festival in New York City.

[Jake]

In Panorama Festival, my. I was just like a sleeper cell activated. Like, oh, my God. I remember that.

[Haley Bieber]

I saw Frank Ocean there.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Haley Bieber]

When he performed.

[Jake]

And Chance the Rapper did Panorama.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, it was. It was a time. I think that was 2016 or 17.

[Jake]

It was.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, 2017, I think. And I saw Tame and it was just amazing. And then I saw them at the Hollywood bowl, which was amazing.

[Jake]

What's your favorite venue to see a show?

[Haley Bieber]

You know, honestly, I do love the bowl in L. A. Because I just think I've ever been more intimate. And it's outside and you can, like, bring your own wine and food, and it's like. It just is more of, like, a thing.

[Jake]

I like the Forum because it's so easy.

[Haley Bieber]

I love the Forum.

[Jake]

So in.

[Haley Bieber]

Love the Forum. Love the game room. Love the snacks.

[Jake]

Yes. Love.

[Haley Bieber]

It's amazing. The last show I think I went to to there was Tate, which was all.

[Jake]

It never gets old.

[Haley Bieber]

Never gets old. I'm just like, God damn it. When I'm watching her, I'm like, oh, I should be able to bend like that.

[Jake]

No, I want to, like, move. It's like, if you're a really good dancer. Like, she is, like, you're so magnetic, and you, like, can't take your eyes off of you.

[Haley Bieber]

She's amazing. I agree with that. A great dancer, and she's just jumping into the splits. I'm like, good for you.

[Jake]

I know it. It's just like, how does that. So easy.

[Haley Bieber]

She's so hot. So, so great.

[Jake]

Well, what's your favorite Team Paula song?

[Haley Bieber]

My favorite Tame Impala song is. I think yes, I'm Changing is so good.

[Jake]

I like. Have you ever. Well, of course you've heard. Eventually.

[Haley Bieber]

Eventually is amazing. Imagine seeing that live and, like, shouting it at the top of your lungs.

[Jake]

Like, I know.

[Haley Bieber]

It's a spiritual experience.

[Jake]

Did you see them when they were at Gov Ball? Because you were.

[Haley Bieber]

I didn't get to go now.

[Jake]

Okay. Have you ever been to Gov Ball?

[Haley Bieber]

I haven't.

[Jake]

Well, it's.

[Haley Bieber]

No, I don't.

[Jake]

No, It's. It's like. It was like, very, like, Kitty Playground back in the day. Like, I got my Fake ID taken there.

[Haley Bieber]

Oh, my God.

[Jake]

I know. Did you ever have a fake id?

[Haley Bieber]

No.

[Jake]

What were. What were the spots back in New York, like, back in the. Back in the 2014, 2017.

[Haley Bieber]

Up and down, Dead. Do you know up and down?

[Jake]

I know.

[Haley Bieber]

Up and down, up and down. And then they made, like, a downstairs of up and down, which was called Never Ever. And then one Oak, obviously. Marquee Marquis. Yeah. Naming some spots.

[Jake]

It'll never be that again.

[Haley Bieber]

Then there was, like, the upstairs of Cipriani, which is still a thing.

[Jake]

I got grabbed out of there by my neck once.

[Haley Bieber]

And the one in New York here.

[Jake]

Literally less than a year ago.

[Haley Bieber]

Why?

[Jake]

Because. Talk about fainting. My friend fainted in the bathroom, and I went to go check up on her, and it was the girl's bathroom, so I, like, went in, and I was like, are you okay? And so they ripped me out and, like, by here, and, like, just threw me out on the street. I never experienced anything like that before, ever.

[Haley Bieber]

Crazy and mean.

[Jake]

I know.

[Haley Bieber]

People start naming places in New York to me now, and I'm like, right. Never heard.

[Louise]

I've never heard of that.

[Jake]

I know.

[Haley Bieber]

And then I start to feel old.

[Jake]

You're not even 30 yet, though.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah. I'm so young.

[Jake]

And you still have fun.

[Haley Bieber]

I feel like I definitely do.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Haley Bieber]

I definitely do. I. I just think that now in my life, I find it more like the nights where I have a lot of fun. I think it's because they happen less often. When I was, like, 19, 20, it was every other night. There was a night to do something, you know, when I would come spend time in LA.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Haley Bieber]

In 2016, it was like, Tuesday was this thing, Thursday was this thing, Friday was this thing, Saturday was this thing. It was the same in New York. It was, like, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday. It was. There was always something to go to and always something to do. And so I feel like I really got to have that right for enough time. That's why I didn't feel like it was crazy to settle down at 21, because I was like. I just did that for the last, like, four years. I'm okay to, like, you know, move on to this new, like, chapter in my life. And I always knew I was going to get married young. It was always something that I wanted. But I think now when I have really fun nights or like, a fun weekend at Coachella or whatever it is, it's because they happen so much less than they used to that I really savor it and I soak up and I'M a lot more present because I don't know when it'll be like that again.

[Jake]

Right.

[Haley Bieber]

And I like that they're more few and far between.

[Jake]

Yeah. Now, I. I mean, I. In a similar way, like, that's kind of how I was in college. Like, we'd go out, like, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And then. Then when that ends and you go post grad and you do it like, once every two weeks, it's like. So it is, like, in a sense, more fun because it happens less. And you're like, you get everyone together.

[Haley Bieber]

And, like, even I feel like recently we had a game night at my best friend's house, and we were all drinking wine, we ordered a bunch of pizzas, and we had the most fun, funny night. And I'm like, this is also really funny. It doesn't have to be going out and going and doing a whole big thing and also just putting sweats on and getting in bed and watching Homeland. Like I was saying last night, I was on FaceTime with someone and was. I came home and I was like, putting my sweats on, and I was like, is there any better feeling in the world than coming home from a long day and getting your sweatpants on?

[Jake]

Or also fresh sheets and sweatpants.

[Haley Bieber]

And sweatpants. Like a shower, sweatpants, bed, Postmates, all of it. I'm just like, I love it, love it. I love that life.

[Jake]

What. What's your next show that you're gonna watch?

[Haley Bieber]

I have to figure that out. I've been watching Tell Me Lies, which you have not caught up on, and I'm upset about it.

[Jake]

Is it that good this season?

[Haley Bieber]

I think it's great. I just started.

[Jake]

I heard Steven's, like, unhinged this season.

[Haley Bieber]

Unhinged, Unwell.

[Jake]

I want to experience a Steven.

[Haley Bieber]

We all know one.

[Jake]

Yeah. I don't know if I know a Stephen.

[Haley Bieber]

You don't know any straight male that acts like Stephen. Come on.

[Jake]

I don't think I have. Well, the thing is, I did don't have guy friends.

[Haley Bieber]

Okay, fair.

[Jake]

And it's such a red flag.

[Haley Bieber]

You don't know a guy who a friend of yours has dated that gives that energy.

[Jake]

I do.

[Haley Bieber]

There you go. So you do know one. We all know one. Is the point.

[Jake]

Back to the guy that I was talking about. Do you think, okay, do you think when you. I know. You said you're like, the ick, isn't it?

[Haley Bieber]

I gotta. I gotta get settled in for this now.

[Jake]

You're like, the ick isn't a thing. You're like, once you get married, the ick is. Isn't a thing.

[Haley Bieber]

But, like, no, that's not what I said. Because you were saying something to me along the lines of, like, will I ever get over the ick? And I was like, wait, everyone has things that are like, quirks about themselves that we might find to be an ick. Don't you remember that trend that was on TikTok when it was like, girls were, like, posting icks of their boyfriend that they discovered, and it would be like the. Their boyfriend, like, swimming, and then they'd go down to their feet and it'd be like, like, everybody gives icks. I don't care who you are. I don't care what relationship you're in.

[Jake]

Like, right.

[Haley Bieber]

I live with myself and I ick myself out.

[Jake]

I myself out always.

[Haley Bieber]

Exactly. And you're stuck with you.

[Jake]

So unfortunately, literally, unfortunately.

[Haley Bieber]

Sorry, this cough is.

[Jake]

No, everyone's sick. It's like, whoa, this has been a rough.

[Haley Bieber]

Forgot to take my inhaler today.

[Jake]

Asthma?

[Haley Bieber]

No, for my cough.

[Jake]

But you have asthma.

[Haley Bieber]

I have exercise induced asthma.

[Jake]

Maybe that's not a real thing, but exercise induced asthma.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, like exercise. Hold on, hold on. We gotta look it up.

[Jake]

Like, situational.

[Haley Bieber]

Yes. Okay, let's ask. Hold on. Is exercise. Yes. Exercise induced asthma is a real thing. Though doctors now more accurately call it exercise induced bronchio constriction.

[Jake]

Oh, okay.

[Haley Bieber]

So I was told I had that as a teenager, and I always had an inhaler for that specifically.

[Jake]

Now you have it for this?

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah. But, you know, some people, even if they don't have asthma and they get bronchitis, will get an inhaler because it's a spasm of the bronchial. So the inhaler will help control the bronchial spasm.

[Jake]

Big words.

[Haley Bieber]

I'm obsessed with medicine.

[Jake]

Are you really?

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah. I would have, like, loved to be a doctor.

[Jake]

What about medicine?

[Haley Bieber]

Like, I just am so fascinated with the body and medicine and doctors, and I just. I love it.

[Jake]

Are you hypochondriac?

[Haley Bieber]

No, I'm not. I'm not a hypochondriac, but I am somebody who's really uber and hyper aware of their body. And then a couple years ago, I had, like, a crazy medical situation. I had, like a mini stroke. And then I found that I had this, like, heart defect that I was born with, so I had to get surgery for it, which sounds really crazy, but they went through my groin and it was like an. I was only in and out of the hospital the same day. I don't. I had heart surgery and it was like, huh, like you cut your chest open. It wasn't that serious. And I think that situation made me a little bit extra hyper aware of my body and a little bit more nervous about things and like staying on top of them. But I've just always been really focused and fascinated on health and it was also kind of what led me to want to do road. My obsession with skincare also comes from my obsession with, like, medicine.

[Jake]

How long did this idea marinate before it became a real thing?

[Haley Bieber]

Before I started really diving into developing it, which was in 2020. I thought about doing it probably for four years, five years prior. Like, honestly, ever since I started modeling, I always knew I wanted to do something else. And I knew that I loved skin care and was always very obsessive with skin care and taking care of my skin. So I knew I was going to go in that direction with it. I just never really thought about where I would start and the timing and the when and the how. But during the pandemic, I felt like there was time to finally sit down and think about it. And we didn't know when the world was gonna open back up, open back up and get back to life. So I dove in in 2020.

[Jake]

It's really and truly some. I think it was the first. I told you, it's like the first skincare I've ever used.

[Haley Bieber]

Thank you.

[Jake]

It's amazing.

[Haley Bieber]

Thank you.

[Jake]

It's like it eats, you know. It is.

[Haley Bieber]

Thank you.

[Louise]

Thank you.

[Haley Bieber]

I mean, listen, I wouldn't use anything that I don't think exactly eats. In your own words.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Haley Bieber]

You know, I made the line to be something that I was going to use myself. And it's so funny when I see people sometimes online be like, she doesn't use her own stuff. And I'm like, I quite literally use every single one of my own products. Of course, I use other things too. I've always talked about that. I've always said that I do skin care treatments. I love micro needling. I, you know, I do other things to maintain my skin and, and keep it healthy and keep myself healthy. I also think skin is an internal thing as well. What you put into your body, what you take. I'm a huge vitamin taker. Like, I take vitamins every single day, every single night.

[Jake]

Really?

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Like, which vitamins specifically?

[Haley Bieber]

Like, I teach you. Like, hold on, tell me everything. Like, I'll take something for my immunity. I take magnesium. I take something called, like, for my cortisol to Keep, like, calm for my mood.

[Jake]

You're very calm.

[Haley Bieber]

Thank you. I appreciate that. Just things that I feel like help keep everything in order. Like, I'll take deep bloat vitamins. I'll take, you know, drink teas, little elixirs. I take collagen jellies.

[Jake]

Like, I need to get on this.

[Haley Bieber]

I have been doing this since I was a teenager. Really, because I grew up in a household where my mom, she's very homeopathic, so is my dad, and really into vitamins. And so, like, my whole life she had me taking, like, fish oils and Me too. What?

[Jake]

Yes. Every morning my dad would pour me a shot of fish oil with a little orange juice because I couldn't take the whole thing.

[Haley Bieber]

Every time my mom tried to get me to take it, like, raw on the spoon, I would vomit.

[Jake]

Yeah, it's insane.

[Haley Bieber]

And so I was like, you have to give me pills. Like, this is impossible.

[Jake]

I used to bite the pills open sometimes.

[Haley Bieber]

She actually used to give me little chew. There was like, kids chewable DHA that like. Like, it was supposed to, like, mask the taste. It never did. It was disgusting. But, yeah, I. I feel like growing up in a household like that, it, like, it set me up for the rest of my life to be so, like. I'm so crazy about taking my vitamins. I travel everywhere with a little vitamin pill case.

[Jake]

Do you travel a bunch?

[Haley Bieber]

Not as much as I used to. Definitely not as much as I used to, which is really actually nice because I used to be somebody who was such a little nomad and loved that. And I loved moving around and bopping from city to city and seeing new places and travel. And now that I have family, I'm so much more settled and happy to just be. I love being home.

[Jake]

Right. And have you taken Jack on a vacation yet?

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, we've traveled with him a bit.

[Jake]

Yeah. Where'd you take him?

[Haley Bieber]

He's been a couple different places. We just took him to Japan.

[Jake]

I'm going there next week.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, we have to have a discussion. I have lists. I have everything. Japan's my favorite place.

[Jake]

I didn't know that. And all my friends said you message Haley every day. Go fucking ask her about Japan.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, I have. I have a lot of good recommendations for you.

[Jake]

I'm going to. To eat everything. Everything.

[Haley Bieber]

Okay.

[Jake]

Great. Everything.

[Haley Bieber]

Great.

[Jake]

The food there is, like, amazing, Right?

[Haley Bieber]

It will be the most insane food experience of your life.

[Jake]

What's your favorite restaurant in Japan?

[Haley Bieber]

Oh, that's so hard.

[Jake]

One of the. One of your favorite.

[Haley Bieber]

One of My favorites is a restaurant called Shima Steak.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Haley Bieber]

Just the most insane steak ever. And the most insane steak sandwich. Incredible.

[Jake]

Tokyo.

[Haley Bieber]

Tokyo.

[Jake]

Okay. I'm going to Tokyo. I'm going to Kyoto and then we're going to Naseko.

[Haley Bieber]

I've never been to Niseko. I would love to, but I've been to Kyoto and it's amazing.

[Jake]

Apparently, like, I'm not gonna want to leave Kyoto.

[Haley Bieber]

You. You can walk into a 711 in Japan and eat like the best egg salad sandwich of your life. And the best, like fried chicken. Like, it's.

[Jake]

I hate egg salad.

[Haley Bieber]

Okay, sorry. Something else. Something else. But like, they're just. Everything is such good quality and so.

[Jake]

Right. I'm.

[Haley Bieber]

I'm gonna try every little thing is. Yeah, no, don't try the egg salad if you don't like it.

[Jake]

No, there's better things. Everyone's talking about the egg salad sandwich at 7:11 in Japan. Everyone.

[Haley Bieber]

There's better things. You don't need to try it. It's not a must.

[Jake]

Okay. But I do need all your racks. And also I do. I would like your shopping racks.

[Haley Bieber]

I have all of it. I'm gonna send you a list.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Haley Bieber]

Like, the vintage. Is vintage amazing.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Haley Bieber]

Yes.

[Jake]

Apparently there's good watches.

[Haley Bieber]

Literally, walk into any vintage store and find great stuff.

[Jake]

I'm so excited. Where. And do you guys just went to Tokyo and Kyoto or just Tokyo?

[Haley Bieber]

We just went only to Tokyo this last trip that we were on. Justin's brand Skylark did a cool pop up out there that was really amazing. So we went all together and Jack loved it. I. I got to take him out there a bit and he was just running around and having a good time and it was great. I loved it. I was a little bit nervous to travel with him to such a far place with such crazy jet lag, but he was great.

[Jake]

It's exactly. I feel like it's like a day ahead.

[Haley Bieber]

So I just honestly kept him on LA time.

[Jake]

Right.

[Haley Bieber]

So he kind of like slept in the day and was up at night, which was fine because I also like, we were staying on that same time kind of. So it. It worked out fine.

[Jake]

Do you want to have like a big family?

[Haley Bieber]

I definitely want. I'm taking it one kid at a time. Yeah, I definitely do want one more. I'm not like in a rush, but definitely want one more. Maybe I'll have four more. Maybe I'll have three. I don't know. I really don't know. I'm just taking it one day at.

[Jake]

A Time, like, have you always had this like day by day mindset or does it come with age?

[Haley Bieber]

I'm actually such a future thinker and such a planner.

[Jake]

Right.

[Haley Bieber]

I'm somebody who really enjoys planning and it makes me feel good to like, I know where I'm gonna be in like a month from now. You know, it's like, I know my schedule. I love being scheduled and regimented and vitamins. Vitamins and planning and, you know.

[Jake]

Right.

[Haley Bieber]

I'm very much that type of person.

[Jake]

Are you the type of person that like journals a lot?

[Haley Bieber]

I'm the type of person where sometimes randomly, if I am awoken with thoughts, I'll start writing things down to like, get them out of my brain and write them down. I'm somebody who does better with talking about things than writing them down.

[Jake]

Right.

[Haley Bieber]

I don't know why journaling feels like a chore to me. It feels like tedious. It doesn't feel. I want to do things that feel relieving.

[Jake]

Right.

[Haley Bieber]

And it feels like a chore for me. Maybe that's like my own battle I got across. But I just.

[Jake]

No, but it also like hurts your hand. Like, also like journaling. You have to be so intentional with it. Like I started the other week and like, I was like, I don't feel good because I'm writing horrible things about myself. You know what I mean? Because I'm just writing whatever's.

[Haley Bieber]

But you know why that's good is that when even if that's what you're doing, not that it. You should ever be writing horrible things about yourself, but getting them, I think the whole point is getting them out of your brain, right? Takes them out of your brain. So like, like getting it out and getting it onto paper, I think helps release the thoughts.

[Jake]

Right. When you were like creating Road, like, where did you keep all your ideas? Like, were you like, did you like keep them on like your computer or like, like how. Where did you like organize all your ideas?

[Haley Bieber]

I had, I was writing things down in a notebook, just all my kind of like word vomity ideas. And I was writing down what I wanted the products to be and the ingredient stories and, you know, things I wanted to look into for the formulas and stuff. And then I was making little decks on my iPad and on my computer and putting together mood boards and putting photos together and writing down the name and making mock ups of a logo. And when I went to the agency that we worked with for making the logo in the end and like the branding was like, I had come to them already. With like a brand deck and, like, had set all this stuff up. My nerdy brand.

[Jake]

Are you an iPad kid?

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, kind of.

[Jake]

So she. She just recently got one.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah. I use my iPad to watch all my shows and I travel and then I use my computer to. I love to FaceTime for my computer same. And I love to make decks and like mood boards on my computer.

[Jake]

Was it always road? Like, was that always the name? Like, did it just.

[Haley Bieber]

Always the name.

[Jake]

Right?

[Haley Bieber]

And from the beginning, I always said too that I wanted it to feel like it could also be like a tech company. And that's kind of where the phone case came in.

[Jake]

Did you. Where did. How did the phone case happen?

[Haley Bieber]

We were sitting in the office one day and I had this sticky thing on the back of my phone and I was sticking the lip treatment on the back of the sticky case. And I was looking at it and sitting there with my team and I was like, guys, first of all, this has to obviously exist, right? Like, there's no way this isn't on Amazon right now. So I was sticking the thing on the back of the phone. I asked somebody to look it up to see if it existed, and it didn't. So I said, let's do this. Let's see if we can make it happen. And my team is the very best of the best, and they were able to find like an amazing person, production person to make the cases.

[Jake]

And do you remember were there like multiple different mock ups and like there were multiple different.

[Haley Bieber]

I mean, I said to them from the beginning, it should be a thing where there's like a slot and a holder for it. And we looked at if it was just a holder, if it was a case. We looked at. We did look at a lot of different versions of it, but it was something that I just did not anticipate going off the way that it did.

[Jake]

It took off.

[Haley Bieber]

And I think it was because the way it also shocked me that it didn't exist is it was. I think everybody's reaction was kind of the same as mine. Like, oh, duh. How did nobody ever think about this before?

[Jake]

Right?

[Haley Bieber]

And I've had so much fun with it now. Like, the snap on one is so fun and there's ways to just kind of keep giving it new lives. And it's been so fun.

[Jake]

Do you. Are you guys doing pimple patches?

[Haley Bieber]

Did I. Yeah, we are doing pimple patches. No, they come out soon in the spring.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Haley Bieber]

I'm so excited around a certain time where another certain fun thing is happening.

[Jake]

Shut up. Right. You know, what else are you excited about in the coming year?

[Haley Bieber]

Well, honestly, I am really excited about the pimple patches because it took us. They were supposed to have launched already, and it took us so long to get them right. And it was so interesting because so many great pimple patches do already exist, and I thought it was going to be one of our more simple things to create. And it ended up taking the longest of almost anything that we've ever created.

[Jake]

Why did it take so long?

[Haley Bieber]

I think because I'm really, really psycho perfectionist, and I want them to really do a certain thing. I don't ever want to create something if I think it's not the best of that version. It's. If it's not the best version of that thing that I think is out there on the market. And in my humble opinion, I do think, like, they're the best pimple patches I've ever used, and I wanted that to be the case before we put them out into the world. And then it was like, getting the shapes fun and the colors right, and the. It was just so much more of a process than I thought it was going to be. They're not just like little stickers that you stick on your face. They have a real function behind them that they.

[Jake]

Right.

[Haley Bieber]

That they do. But the timing is going to end up being perfect. I'm glad that. That they're coming when they're coming, when.

[Jake]

Another fun thing is.

[Haley Bieber]

When another fun thing is happening.

[Jake]

What was your like most like? Oh, my God. Like, this. Like, it made you, like, you made you, like, look around and be like, this brand is successful.

[Haley Bieber]

Aside from selling it, when people started coming up to me, like, out in the world and showing me the products in their bag or like, when. When I started to really see just people out on the street, like, they wouldn't even see me, but I'd see them with the phone case. I was like, wow, that's crazy. Like, I'd walk by, people would be. I'd be driving in my car and I'd see someone, like, on the street holding the phone case. To me, that was the moment that I was like, wow, that is so cool to see people have this just in their everyday life like that.

[Jake]

Oh, congratulations.

[Haley Bieber]

Thank you.

[Jake]

That's awesome.

[Haley Bieber]

So fun. Yeah, I love it.

[Jake]

It's such a short time, too.

[Haley Bieber]

I know. It's great. I think it feels not as short for me because I started working on it in 2020, but obviously to go from a launch to an acquisition in three years, of course Is very fast. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, for me it was like fully a five year journey, which is also still fast.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Haley Bieber]

Either way regardless. But. But it's been an amazing ride. I love it and I feel so much even now I have a whole new breath of life with it. Post the acquisition, I'm just, I feel even more motivated, more passionate. So many more things I want to do. And now that we have ELF as a partner, I also feel I have more access to do that, which is exciting.

[Jake]

Would you ever do like kids, like skin care and stuff?

[Haley Bieber]

I've thought about it. I definitely have because I stay super on top of my son's right here. Like every single night. Slathered, head to toe, moisturizer, face cream, like everything. I mean, obviously, like kids face cream is just, you know, very gentle, simple things. And I like to keep his skincare really gentle and simple. But I, I would think about it. Yeah, I'm definitely not opposed to it.

[Jake]

It's. It's cool. My favorite thing about road is like, I feel like it sounds like an ad, but it's not. It's like I feel like it's so like unisex and like everyone uses it.

[Haley Bieber]

And that was my goal and that was my intention with it. That's why the colors, other than like the blushes and stuff, because that obviously, you know, and anyone can use the blush, the blushes, but the color story with the skin care is very, you know, it's eggshell and sporty gray. And from the beginning I kept saying I want this to be a thing where it's very sporty feeling and it feels like it's something you can throw in your bag and take to the gym or travel with easily, but also still really looks aesthetically pleasing in your bathroom and doesn't feel like anything else that's out there.

[Jake]

Right.

[Haley Bieber]

And so, yeah, that was my goal. I really wanted it to feel unisex.

[Jake]

Well, that's amazing.

[Haley Bieber]

Thank you.

[Jake]

Well, Haley, what are you therapist about today?

[Haley Bieber]

You know what's really annoying about these questions? Not, not that it's an annoying question. Let me know every time someone asks me something like this, like, what's your biggest pet peeve? And I'm like, I have so many, I can't remember. And then the pet peeve will happen. And like, why didn't I just fucking say that? I forget now always what my answer is. And then I'll get in the car later and be like, oh, it's this thing.

[Jake]

It's like blanking on a task.

[Haley Bieber]

You know what I'm therapist about today is this cough that I've had for, like, eight days.

[Jake]

Right.

[Haley Bieber]

I've had this cough for such a long time.

[Jake]

Did you. You know the. The feeling of when. It's like, when you're like, I wish I was more grateful of when I wasn't coughing.

[Haley Bieber]

Yes. That's how I feel. I'm like, I will never take it for granted again.

[Jake]

I know.

[Haley Bieber]

And then I will take it for granted.

[Jake]

I'm therapist about my new bladder ocd.

[Haley Bieber]

Like, you have to pee a lot.

[Jake]

All the time.

[Haley Bieber]

Don't they say that's an anxiety thing as well, though?

[Jake]

Oh, do they?

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Oh, well, I have to pee literally every five seconds.

[Haley Bieber]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Jake]

I know. Like, I have to pee. I can't go. I pee every 10 minutes in bed all the time. Yes. And so I have to sedate myself at night, so I just fall asleep without thinking about falling asleep. Because if I think about falling asleep, like, I will have to pee.

[Haley Bieber]

So what do you take to sedate yourself?

[Jake]

Let me sleep.

[Haley Bieber]

Let Me sleep is great.

[Jake]

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[Haley Bieber]

Watches on Tick Tock just like what's coming up on your free page. So Much. I don't go to anyone's page specifically to, like, watch a consistent person over and over again, but there are people that have popped up on my for you page that, like, pop up from time to time that I think are really funny.

[Jake]

Right.

[Haley Bieber]

But.

[Jake]

Sorry.

[Haley Bieber]

But tick tock's tricky for me.

[Jake]

You know, you're good at it.

[Haley Bieber]

I feel like I'm not.

[Jake]

Shut up.

[Haley Bieber]

I feel like, you know what it is? I want to be that person who can set my camera up and just talk to it as if I'm talking to you at dinner.

[Jake]

Huh?

[Haley Bieber]

But I get really nervous because people get really nitpicky and, like, pick everything apart, and I just don't like dealing with that. When I see girls just chatting as if they're talking to a best friend, I find that so, so cute. And I just don't feel good at that because I start to feel a little bit like I can't fully be myself when I try to do that. And I just think the only way to do it right is to just, like, fully be yourself and just talk and have a good time and be fun.

[Jake]

When did you start getting, like, nervous about, like, people, like, nitpicking things you do?

[Haley Bieber]

When they started nitpicking everything that I do.

[Jake]

Right? Totally, totally.

[Haley Bieber]

You know what I mean? I feel like it got extremely bad when I got married, and then everybody just. Every little thing I would say or do or every little movement I would make. Oh, did you see when she, like, twitched her eye like that? I'm like, okay, guys, I'm just gonna keep to myself then. Which is kind of sad because I feel like I used to have a different relationship with social media, and I felt a lot more free to be myself. And, you know, now I think I definitely keep to myself more because of how intense it's gotten for me. But.

[Jake]

But you.

[Haley Bieber]

I just. I share what I want to share, and I don't share what I want. Don't want to share.

[Jake]

But I think you are good at TikTok in the sense that, like, you do do things.

[Haley Bieber]

I make my cute little videos. I make my cute little videos.

[Jake]

Face mask with the sushi. Yeah. Did you think, like, wow, this is a skill?

[Haley Bieber]

No, I was just being funny because I had posted another video. I didn't know it was a thing. I had posted another video eating sushi with a face mask. And a bunch of the comments were like, damn, that's impressive. I look insane when I'm trying to eat with a face mask on. And I was like, oh, I didn't know this was, like, a conversation. And I was already. I was starting to develop this sheet mask with road, and I was like, don't worry, girls. Like, I'm gonna make you a face. Because a lot of the mouth holes on the face mask, they're so, like, small, right? And so I was joking, and I was like, I'm gonna make one that's, like, easy to eat in. Which actually was part of the conversation of the face mask that we were developing. I'm like, I want the mouth hole to, like, actually feel comfortable. Because who doesn't love sitting in a mask and eating food and just, like, being in your PJs at home and. But, yeah, I mean, I do love Tick Tock as, like, a point of connection with people. I do like, making my little videos and my little get ready with me things. But people are really funny on Tick Tock. Like, some things that I come across have me cracking up. I love it.

[Jake]

I feel like TikTok sometimes in a weird way, like, gets me outside the house. Like, I'm on, like, in a weird way, because I'm like, oh, my God, these people are having so much fun. I want to have fun. Like, these people are having fun.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jake]

You know what I mean?

[Haley Bieber]

100%. I find so many. I'm such a big foodie. I just love food, and I love to discover a new yummy thing. And one of my best friends is the same exact way. And so we just. Our whole thing is just sending back and forth food, foodie things on Tick Tock. Like, random places in LA we've never heard of and never been to. And, like, that's also one of my favorite things about Tick Tock is I've discovered great food. I actually ordered sushi from a spot last night that I saw on Tick Tock and was.

[Jake]

So what place?

[Haley Bieber]

It's called Boss Sushi.

[Jake]

Never heard of it.

[Haley Bieber]

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. And I ordered it last night, and it was on. I'm like, I'm gonna go here. Well, now I'm giving it away, but is it.

[Jake]

Where's it?

[Haley Bieber]

I think it's on La Cienega.

[Jake]

Oh, I don't know the street names. Oh, I don't drive.

[Haley Bieber]

Do you know, like, where Matsuhisa is?

[Jake]

Yes.

[Haley Bieber]

Okay, so that's La Cienega.

[Jake]

Oh, shut up.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, I swear.

[Jake]

What's your favorite restaurant in Los Angeles?

[Haley Bieber]

What kind of food?

[Jake]

Anything.

[Haley Bieber]

Jake, get more specific.

[Jake]

Okay. Anything? Not a steakhouse. It can't be a steakhouse okay.

[Haley Bieber]

And I don't really go to a steakhouse out here.

[Jake]

I hate steakhouses.

[Haley Bieber]

You can't just say you hate steakhouses, period. Have you ever been to 4 Charles in New York?

[Jake]

No. I've heard it's amazing.

[Haley Bieber]

Okay, well, that's technically a steakhouse.

[Jake]

Okay. Right. Okay. So no. Okay. Favorite Italian restaurant.

[Haley Bieber]

I have to say. Giorgio.

[Jake]

I know. I agree.

[Haley Bieber]

I love it. I love it so much. It's just tried and true and, like, I've never had a bad, bad meal there, ever.

[Jake]

Have you ever been to Toscana? Okay.

[Haley Bieber]

But I drive by it a lot.

[Jake]

Amazing.

[Haley Bieber]

And I always wonder about it.

[Jake]

It's really good.

[Haley Bieber]

Okay. That's good to know. Best sushi and omakase that I know is always gonna hit really well. Sushi park. You knew I was gonna say that. Hello. Duh. And then I think sushifumi is amazing.

[Jake]

Amazing.

[Haley Bieber]

Like, really, really love. Because I love going to a place. It's like, I want a great miso soup. I want great rolls. I want, you know, cucumber salad. I want all the things. And they have all the yummy things.

[Jake]

Do you like Thai food? Love. Have you been to Anna Jack?

[Haley Bieber]

Of course. That's also one of my favorites. It is one of the best restaurants, I think, of all.

[Jake]

Like.

[Haley Bieber]

Of all time.

[Jake]

Of all time.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Have you had there. Do you. Are you. Do you eat, like, red meat?

[Haley Bieber]

Have you had everything?

[Jake]

Chinese sausage, fried rice.

[Haley Bieber]

It. I just had that for the first time.

[Jake]

Holy.

[Haley Bieber]

My friend ordered it, and I had never had it before. And I was like, why is this the best thing I've. It tastes like. It's buttery and just, like, so good.

[Jake]

So good.

[Haley Bieber]

So good. It's crazy. And then obviously, the noodles. The pad. See you is amazing.

[Jake]

I think I'm gonna get that for dinner tonight.

[Haley Bieber]

How good?

[Jake]

How so good?

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah.

[Jake]

There's this place called Starboard. Have you ever had Starbird? Best fried chicken in Los Angeles.

[Haley Bieber]

Oh, okay.

[Jake]

I did it for, like. Like, I did, like, a hot ones thing, and they, like, did the. They had it from there and they.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And I was like, let me try it without the sauce. Because, like, they.

[Haley Bieber]

Can you tell me something about hot ones?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Haley Bieber]

Is it, like, that bad? Like, the sauces are really that crazy.

[Jake]

I've never done Expose them. No. I've never done, like, the full. The full to do. I've never done, like, the. Like, the. The. The Sean's hot ones. I've done, like, what have I done?

[Haley Bieber]

But you did the last dab like, you did The. The spiciest sauce. He did three.

[Jake]

It's like the one where you're not famous enough. Like, that's what I did.

[Haley Bieber]

But you had the sauces.

[Jake]

Not all of them. No. It's not that bad.

[Haley Bieber]

Do you like spicy food though?

[Jake]

Love? More than anything.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, me too.

[Jake]

More than anything in the world. Thai food's my favorite food in the world. Thai food.

[Haley Bieber]

Really?

[Jake]

And Japanese food.

[Haley Bieber]

Okay.

[Jake]

Japanese food isn't like super spicy.

[Haley Bieber]

No, it's not. It can be, but it's not like, yeah, it's not that crazy.

[Jake]

What's your favorite, like chain restaurant? You're like, okay, I can go here, like across America and be like this.

[Haley Bieber]

Across America. Okay, let me give you1 in LA that I think forever is really delicious. It's not a place that I think it's like a go and sit. But bossa nova is so good to me.

[Jake]

I see it on Postmates every night and I always scroll. I always kind of like, look at the menu.

[Haley Bieber]

Let me say one thing about bossa nova. I love bossa nova. As I just stated, my mom is from Brazil, so like, I am very picky about Brazilian food. And obviously bossa nova has like this massive menu. You can get anything. Chicken Alfredo, pasta and also get, you know, but they. But they're a known like, it's Brazilian based and they do this like delicious. These delicious protein plates. Like you can get like a chicken plate with like beans and rice if that's like your thing. And you.

[Jake]

How's the rice?

[Haley Bieber]

I think it's delicious. I think for somewhere that is kind of like a fast foodie did not fast food, but like a chain that, you know, is a takeout kind of situation. The quality is delicious. Also, if you're Brazilian, you know what Ponch Queju is, which is like these little cheese spreads. Some of my favorite in LA that I found is the bossa nova panch caju. I don't know if they make it from scratch or not, but it's so good. And sometimes I'll literally just order that. That from there. And there's also this soda from Brazil called Guadana that I love and they have it at Bossa Nova. So sometimes I literally will just order ponchiqueju and guadana and call it a day. But I've ordered from there literally for years.

[Jake]

Okay, maybe.

[Haley Bieber]

And it's still delicious. Give it a go. And they're open really late. Sometimes when you're coming home, like on a late night and you're starving, you don't Want to eat? Hate pizza. You know pizza? You what?

[Jake]

Hate pizza.

[Haley Bieber]

You hate pizza. Period.

[Jake]

Period.

[Haley Bieber]

Why?

[Jake]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Haley Bieber]

Do you hate cheese?

[Jake]

No, I like cheese. I think it's like, I like protein.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I don't know what it. Look, I don't know what it.

[Haley Bieber]

What is it you love protein being.

[Louise]

The reason you love rice.

[Jake]

I don't know what it is. It's just.

[Haley Bieber]

Do you like pasta?

[Jake]

Love. Do you like dessert?

[Haley Bieber]

I love dessert.

[Jake]

Do you like ordering dessert at a restaurant?

[Haley Bieber]

Every single time.

[Jake]

Every single time.

[Haley Bieber]

Every single time I go out to eat, I ask to see the dessert menu.

[Jake]

No, you don't.

[Haley Bieber]

Swear to God.

[Louise]

What is that?

[Haley Bieber]

Why are you so irked by that?

[Jake]

Wait, like. And you.

[Haley Bieber]

What is the irk with that?

[Jake]

You don't like. You're not like. Oh, my God, I have to go. I have to go. I have to get the fuck out of here.

[Haley Bieber]

No, I. Like, we don't have the same issue with that.

[Jake]

I have to go. An hour left.

[Haley Bieber]

Yes, that's why I get it. I. If I'm at the end of a very long dinner and I need to get home, I will skip it because I just cannot wait any longer. But, like, I'm the type of person. Well, while we're still having the meal, I'll ask to see the dessert menu. Okay, but to, like, rush.

[Jake]

While you're still having the meal.

[Haley Bieber]

While I'm still having the meal. That's usually most of the time, what I do.

[Jake]

Have you had the mango sticky rice at Anna Jack?

[Haley Bieber]

It's amazing. You've never had it?

[Jake]

No. It's amazing. I'll eat that.

[Haley Bieber]

Okay. Thank you. So you're not like an anti dessert?

[Jake]

No, I just.

[Haley Bieber]

I just. I need a sweet bite at the end of a really savory meal. I have to have it.

[Jake]

Go to go Greek.

[Haley Bieber]

So you'd rather stop at another place?

[Jake]

Yes.

[Haley Bieber]

That's worse to me than waiting for the dessert at the restaurant.

[Jake]

Oh, I need to move.

[Haley Bieber]

I get it.

[Jake]

Have you ever been to Friendly's?

[Haley Bieber]

Of course. I'm from the East Coast.

[Jake]

That's why I was asking.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Best. You know, I think they're, like, shutting down.

[Haley Bieber]

That's sad.

[Jake]

Friendly's is this chain on the East Coast.

[Haley Bieber]

You can get like, a burger and fries, but then, like, an amazing ice cream sundae.

[Jake]

Like the most insane ice cream sundaes you'll ever have ever in your entire life.

[Haley Bieber]

So good.

[Jake]

They gotta bring friendlies back.

[Haley Bieber]

I know. Oh, my God. I haven't had Friendlies in such a long time. I even like think about that.

[Jake]

I know.

[Haley Bieber]

And I would say, would you not agree that the east coast when I was growing up, we had like our. Those little soft serve ice cream shops.

[Jake]

Better.

[Haley Bieber]

Like the small town drive up ice cream shops that you would go for like a straight up cone with a twist.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Haley Bieber]

We had so many of those in the area where I grew up. And I think about it now and I'm like, I wouldn't know where to go for that in la.

[Jake]

They don't have that here.

[Haley Bieber]

They don't have it in the same way where it's like a little stand that you walk up to and just order out the window. And you could get you know, an ice cream sundae or like a cone with soft serve or like a chocolate dip.

[Jake]

You know where they have that actually, have you ever been to Heavy Handed?

[Haley Bieber]

No, I, I have, I've had the burgers. I've never been there.

[Jake]

But they have a dipped cone.

[Haley Bieber]

Oh, really? Okay, I need to go there fire. Okay, I need to go there fire today.

[Jake]

Like stupid. Like it's like actually the best thing ever.

[Haley Bieber]

But that's so East Coasty to me.

[Jake]

It is very East Coast.

[Haley Bieber]

Like everywhere you, you could go be in New Jersey, you could be in New York. Like you can find one in any little like town.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Haley Bieber]

On the east Coast.

[Jake]

Do you think you want to live in LA forever? Like do you want to raise kids here or do you want to.

[Haley Bieber]

I think I do for now. Because this is where we are. I think as they get as, you know, my son gets older and if I have more kids, we'll see. But we kind of move around a lot as it is. Yeah, yeah, we, we travel like, we bop around a little bit. So I don't always feel like I'm just stationary here.

[Jake]

Right, right.

[Haley Bieber]

We'll see. I don't think I'll ever move back to like New York or anything.

[Jake]

I kind of want to move to New York.

[Haley Bieber]

Really?

[Jake]

I know it's just the dating, like I. The dating pool there bad everywhere. No, but like here, I can't, I can't, I can't. I'm. I can't. I can't anymore.

[Haley Bieber]

I get it.

[Jake]

I've ran. I think I've ran through. Like I said, I think I'm like. But not even sexually. Like, I ran through like on the app. Like I ran through talking. I can't find people. I. I'm. They're like, like I'm on Hinge and they're like, we have no one to show you. Do you know how sad that is for Hinge to be? Like, we have no one to show you.

[Haley Bieber]

There are no new people to show you.

[Jake]

And I'm like, I'm in Los Angeles.

[Haley Bieber]

But I feel like everyone feels that way.

[Jake]

It's hard. Yeah. But I, I, I, I want a New York summer. That's what I want. I want a New York summer.

[Haley Bieber]

That sounds fun to me.

[Jake]

Yeah. I want brat Summer 2.0. I feel it in my bones, and I want it.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah. I feel like this year is going to be the. An amazing year. An amazing summer. It's gonna be great. Don't you worry.

[Jake]

It was boring this last summer. I. I was bored.

[Haley Bieber]

2025 was, like, an interesting year to me. It felt like a very transitional year. Like, I had so much happened for me in that year. It was like I had my son in 2024, going into 2025, and then it was like my first real year of motherhood, and I sold my company. It was like there was just, like. It was such a big, big transitional year for me that I feel like now in 2026, I feel very settled. So it makes me more excited for this year.

[Jake]

Yeah, I'm. I'm excited. I think.

[Haley Bieber]

How old are you?

[Jake]

Yes.

[Haley Bieber]

26.

[Jake]

Yes. Yes.

[Haley Bieber]

I was gonna say 25 or 26.

[Jake]

But somebody once sat there and looked me dead in the eye and guessed 31.

[Haley Bieber]

What?

[Jake]

Yes.

[Haley Bieber]

You do not look 31. Not even close.

[Jake]

You. Thank you.

[Haley Bieber]

My husband's 31, and I don't think you look. He also looks a lot younger than 31.

[Jake]

He looks very young.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, he's almost 32.

[Jake]

Where in Canada is he from again?

[Haley Bieber]

He's from a town called Stratford.

[Jake]

Is that near Toronto?

[Haley Bieber]

It's like, two hours outside of Toronto.

[Jake]

Because I'm going to Toronto tonight. I was like, I need Toronto.

[Haley Bieber]

You're going to Toronto tonight? Yes.

[Jake]

Do you have wrecks?

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, I do. You're gonna have fun.

[Jake]

I'm excited.

[Haley Bieber]

I have a couple wrecks for you.

[Jake]

Are you ready again to tell me what's wrong? Songs.

[Haley Bieber]

Oh, is this the part where you read things? Yay. This is fun.

[Jake]

I'm genuinely so scared to hard launch my new relationship of a few months. Everything in my life will change. Like, he's my best friend's stepbrother and she doesn't know. Oh. We all go to the same college, so I really don't want to make it weird, but we've fallen for each other and decided to keep it a Secret up until now in case things didn't work out. But now it's too far, and I'm not ready for all this pressure. How do we break the news?

[Haley Bieber]

So my advice would be go sit down with your friend first, right? And say, hey, I didn't want to say anything until I knew what this was, but this is the situation. Obviously, that's tricky if it's their stepbrother, but, yeah, if you guys are in love, you're in love. Like, what is anybody gonna do? I would just have a conversation with your friend first before they find out another way and feel hurt.

[Jake]

What's your favorite besides swag? Favorite? Just an album, because I have mine.

[Haley Bieber]

Journals is mine.

[Jake]

Really? That's my best friend Peyton's too, who's, like, the biggest, biggest believer.

[Haley Bieber]

And then other than that would be purpose.

[Jake]

Mine's Justice.

[Haley Bieber]

Really?

[Jake]

You don't understand. I. That album. I texted it in my group chat today. Front period, two period, back period. And then I wrote followed up. And it's that serious.

[Haley Bieber]

And it's that serious. What was your. Did you get to go to the justice store?

[Jake]

No.

[Haley Bieber]

Oh, sad.

[Jake]

And I lost my virginity to Ghost.

[Haley Bieber]

Oh, my God.

[Jake]

Lose my virginity to ghosts. But I lost my virginity that night, and I went home, and justice had come out, so I was like, let me just go listen to Justice. And I listened to Ghost on Repeat, My bed, which great songs for the guy. I lost my virginity, too, right?

[Haley Bieber]

What was. What's your favorite song off that album?

[Jake]

A ghost, of course. But I love Off My Face. I love As I am.

[Haley Bieber]

I love. Oh, you're gonna be like, are you gonna cry at Coachella?

[Jake]

Yeah. Stop it. I love. Wait, you are the only.

[Haley Bieber]

Oh, yeah. Anyone?

[Jake]

Anyone?

[Haley Bieber]

I love that song.

[Jake]

I found my dad is having an affair with my stepmom via text messages.

[Haley Bieber]

Well, wait. What?

[Jake]

What? So he's having an affair on your stepmom or with you cheating on the stepmom? Okay, okay. Oh, okay. Okay. And he's freaking out so much that he's offering to pay my rent for the next six months, period. So, like, what do I do? Because I'm not super shocked this happened, but I actually really like my stepmom. But, damn, mama could really use that rent. Help.

[Haley Bieber]

I would say if you're really close with your dad, it's probably about having a conversation with your dad and being like, look, I don't feel comfortable knowing this information. Please stop trying to bribe me into, like, not saying anything. I think it's a conversation of saying it's not fair for you to ask me to keep this a secret when it's such a big deal. I do have respect for my stepmom and I really like her. It's on you to have a conversation with her. I'm not gonna tell you you have to do it tomorrow. But if you don't have a conversation.

[Jake]

With her, I will.

[Haley Bieber]

I will help and delay rent could keep me quiet for like the next six weeks.

[Jake]

I would take the red if I were you. I would take the.

[Haley Bieber]

But does it take the rent and don't say anything because that seems a little mean.

[Jake]

Take the rent and be like. But at the end of the six months when you're paying the rent, like say something like so I would do.

[Haley Bieber]

I don't think it's about the person saying something. I think it's about having the conversation with the dad. To be like, you need to say something like this is your relationship and you're disrespecting the person that you're married to. Thousand and the fact that your own child has to even tell you that is beyond me but right. You know, I think it's about saying like, you're better than this and have a conversation with her.

[Jake]

I wonder what I would prescribe for that. Maybe what's that movie with Cameron Diaz? Nicki Minaj.

[Haley Bieber]

Oh yeah. The Other Woman.

[Jake]

The Other Woman, yeah. Best great movie. Best Jake and gorgeous guest you. I'm a brand new mother, 14 months and my husband is very heavily hinting that he wants to start our next. I do want more children. The issue is your girl is exhausted. He's great, honestly and helps a lot, but I don't think I'm ready to go through it again so soon. He's so sweet, but how do I bring this up to him without breaking his heart?

[Haley Bieber]

It's your body. You have to just do what feels good for you. Carrying a baby and giving birth and the first whole entire year of motherhood is so intense and so crazy that I would hope that your partner would be understanding enough to know that and know that that it really should. It can be your decision together. But definitely there shouldn't be any pressure on when. And I think there's always like a kind and sensitive way to just say, hey, I'm not ready right now.

[Jake]

I live with three other girls and one of them is so selfish. Like hasn't brought anything to our living situation. On top of that, she's a pathological liar and always lies about her relationships. She's a total social climber. Literally, how do I manage living through the rest of the semester? Or possibly humble her.

[Haley Bieber]

Just have an honest conversation.

[Jake]

Well, that doesn't work for everyone, especially liars, I'm saying.

[Haley Bieber]

Oh, sorry, run that back. She said she's a crazy liar. Yeah, okay, I missed that. I missed that.

[Jake]

Yeah. Pathological liar.

[Haley Bieber]

Oh.

[Jake]

Ooh, I know. And she's stuck for the rest of the semester.

[Haley Bieber]

Dealing with a pathological liar is crazy. I can't stand a liar and I catch them every single time.

[Jake]

Do you call them out liars?

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, of course. If it's like a bad enough situation.

[Jake]

Like, I hate people that lie.

[Haley Bieber]

Okay. I mean, listen, I think we all, like, are capable of telling lies, little white lies, but like an actual pathological liar that you can, like, catch. It's a different breed that continues to. Then don't get me started, because it, like, pisses me off to no end.

[Jake]

Start, start. What's the craziest lie you've ever caught someone in?

[Haley Bieber]

I can't stand a person who is the. I didn't say that.

[Jake]

Oh, my God, it's like sleeper cell. Like, I'm like, I. Because you did say that.

[Haley Bieber]

No, no, but you very blatantly did say that. And then. And then it makes you feel super crazy because then I'm like, well, did. Did they not? Like, that is my least favorite thing ever.

[Jake]

Yeah, that makes I. I get really angry too. I also, like, can't lie because cuz, like, my OCD is very like. Like I'm very, like, superstitious. So I'm like, if I lie, I'll get bad luck. Like, if I, like, tell this lie, like, bad things will happen. Cuz I'm like, I just think.

[Haley Bieber]

Also think the older you get, you realize how much easier it is to just own up to something and move past it than it is to lie and keep the lie going.

[Jake]

Right?

[Haley Bieber]

Like, I get anxiety when I'm watching TV shows and they're lying, lying, lying, lying and covering it up. And I'm like, do you know how much Carrie, you lied. No, I didn't.

[Jake]

Yes, you texted me last. She texted me last night. I can't believe. Because somebody said to her, you lied. And she said, I'm like.

[Haley Bieber]

The amount of times Carrie on Homeland, somebody will say to her, you lied to me. And she goes, no, I didn't. Yes, you did.

[Jake]

Right.

[Haley Bieber]

Like, I get, like, anxiety for characters in TV shows when I'm like, do you know how much easier this would be if you just told the truth? Told the truth. Like this lie. Is going to, like, spiral out of control, and it's going to be a crazy thing that, like, gives me anxiety for people that are made up.

[Jake]

I'm trying to think of, like. I just. I also just watched a show where that happened, and I. Maybe it was beast in me. I forget. But I remember being like, I've never felt this type of way ever in my entire life.

[Haley Bieber]

No. I get so much anxiety about it. I'm like, just deal with it. Tell the truth.

[Jake]

Do you watch industry?

[Louise]

Mm.

[Jake]

Mm. Okay. That's like a theme in industry. You would love industry.

[Haley Bieber]

I need to start it. I've been seeing so much about it.

[Jake]

I.

[Haley Bieber]

Maybe that's my next watch.

[Jake]

It's. She's seen it twice through.

[Haley Bieber]

It's so good. So it's like, fine. That's my.

[Jake]

You. You will. She'll love Yaz. Your Roman Empire is going to be Yaz.

[Haley Bieber]

Whatever that means.

[Jake]

No, like, you are going to love her. It is the best show on television.

[Haley Bieber]

Okay, great.

[Jake]

It's the best show on television.

[Louise]

Oh, my God.

[Haley Bieber]

Love.

[Jake]

Yay. And there's three seasons to watch and.

[Haley Bieber]

The Just more for me and Jake to text about.

[Jake]

Yes. Before Road was available in Sephora and.

[Haley Bieber]

I send me Road. You'd be like, hey, like, I really need more glazing milk. It's my favorite product. And what did I do?

[Jake]

You said it to me on a Sunday.

[Haley Bieber]

Because me and Jake, we met at the gym.

[Jake]

We did.

[Haley Bieber]

This is. We actually should give our backstory. I met Jake at Aloe Yoga. Sounds very la.

[Jake]

But it's the truth.

[Haley Bieber]

But it's the truth. We met at the gym, and you just have such a gorgeous personality, and you're so fun and so funny, and I was like, I like him.

[Jake]

Oh, I like you.

[Haley Bieber]

I know. And here we are.

[Jake]

Well, speaking of fitness and aloe, this question is I really need to turn around my fitness goals for this year. Jake and presuming sexy guest, I've noticed you've been working out a ton and want to know your take on motivation. I have none. I can't get out of bed in the morning unless I have to. And I'm not, like, sad or anxious. I'm just, like, kind of not putting in the effort. What are some pointers for getting that discipline back? Thanks. Mine is, like, toxic, so. But I'm just gonna say it. Like, you have to look at people you're jealous of. Like, you have to. Like, I wasn't gonna work out the other day, and somebody popped up on my feed. They were working Out I was jealous of them. It was another gay guy and I was like, I have to get my ass up.

[Haley Bieber]

You were like, I gotta do it.

[Jake]

And also there'd be. Tell me if you disagree. But there.

[Haley Bieber]

I don't think that has to be seen as jealousy. I think that could be seen as like motivation Thousand. I actually really appreciate your honesty about it being about jealousy because I think like that's so honest, but it also is just motivation.

[Jake]

Right.

[Haley Bieber]

You know what I mean?

[Jake]

My thing is like also I. I got to a point. Tell me if you disagree when what I started working out where like it actually like I felt better in the.

[Haley Bieber]

Head 100 where I was amazing for your mental.

[Jake]

And when you start working out because it makes you feel better in the head because you're thinking less about your.

[Haley Bieber]

Body a hundred percent. It becomes easier. This. Yeah.

[Jake]

Louise literally looked at me and was like, I feel like everything you've been doing, like it all hit at once. And it's because I switched my meds and I stopped thinking about my body as much.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah. Everything was like working in sync, which is amazing. Like the mind, body, soul, body connection is so real. And I think when you do, when you're somebody who doesn't work out and then you do start working out, I think when that clicks for you, that everything is so connected, you start to be like, oh my God, I feel better here, I feel better here, my body feels better. And then also you start seeing results. And that once you makes you want to keep going because you're like, I look good, I feel good from the inside to the outside. And it's all one big connection. I guess my advice for that person would be start slow, start with little things. Go for a 20 minute walk. Like literally just start by going for a walk, walking, 20 minutes on the treadmill, whatever it is. You don't have to start by going to like hit classes. You know what I mean? I think people think they have to sweat and like do a crazy thing. It's like you really don't have to do all that. You can start, start slow, try something new. Like take it step by step. Start by walking. Then try like a class or try, you know, Pilates or something that's a little bit more easy or just like go, just go slow.

[Jake]

I feel like the misconception with working out and you just like touched on this is that like faster and harder and sweatier means you're losing more weight. Not true.

[Haley Bieber]

Not at all.

[Jake]

Do you do 12, 3, 30?

[Haley Bieber]

No.

[Jake]

Okay, so that's what I started doing.

[Louise]

I've done it before.

[Haley Bieber]

I don't know that I would call it 12, 3, 30. Like I just would do incline walking.

[Jake]

But that, that like is the magic trick. Walking?

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah, walking is just. When I. After I had my son, the first thing I started doing was walking. When I was like trying to lose the rest of my baby weight, I started with walking. I started doing like a lot of like rehab, like super slow, meticulous. I didn't get in the gym and start doing jumping jacks because I felt like you can't. You feel like your whole entire insides are gonna fall out jumping after you have a baby. But I started with walking. I'm like, I love walking. And the Stairmaster. I'm a big Stairmaster fan.

[Jake]

Stairmaster eats.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah.

[Jake]

My ex is doing all this weird to get my attention and it's driving me crazy. He keeps dropping off like dead ass mixtapes on my porch, coming by my work to order food like almost every day. He doesn't even order order from me. Oh, I guess this is person as a service worker and my friend told me he's trying to grow out a beard for me. Like, I've never even indicated that I'd be into that sort of thing. I feel like I'm going crazy.

[Haley Bieber]

Well, that sounds like maybe a restraining order. Yeah, I was gonna say that sounds like a person you've obviously had clear conversations with and is just not respecting that. That's a tough one. Can't say I've been in that one before.

[Jake]

Well, I definitely have it because you know I've never had a boyfriend, right?

[Haley Bieber]

We've talked about this.

[Jake]

I'm sure we have.

[Haley Bieber]

But you want to know why I don't think that's sad? Because then I think what's gonna happen is you're gonna like meet the one and then it's just gonna be like your beautiful story with. I. I didn't really date like that. I didn't have like multiple boyfriends in my lifetime before I got married.

[Jake]

But I'm 26, so you have a.

[Haley Bieber]

Whole life ahead of you. But that's what I'm trying to say is like, like that just means to me that when you do end up in a relationship, it's going to be like a really beautiful like, because it's like you'll have like waited to be in that special thing with that special person.

[Jake]

I know.

[Haley Bieber]

You told me 29 was so young. You're 26. Like we're babies.

[Jake]

We are babies. We are in sex. In the city. Are they all, like, 30?

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Wow. Maybe they're all, like, 32.

[Haley Bieber]

I think, like, they're a little bit. Yeah, they're. They're in their 30s and it's that.

[Jake]

You like the show.

[Haley Bieber]

I loved the show.

[Jake]

Like, you laughed out loud at the show.

[Haley Bieber]

I did. Okay, we're gonna start texting about Carrie.

[Jake]

Okay. I'm gonna. I'm gonna give it a go. Well, I'm doing the Americans now. I'm on my spy kick.

[Haley Bieber]

Great. Love.

[Jake]

Didn't you dress up as spies for Halloween once this year?

[Haley Bieber]

No. Last year we were Kim Possible.

[Jake]

Oh, that's what I'm thinking.

[Haley Bieber]

And then this year, we were the Incredibles.

[Jake]

That's what I'm thinking of. And Jack was. Jack.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah. It was so cute. He had, like, the little.

[Jake]

It was really cute.

[Haley Bieber]

And I dressed him up as baby Justin, which was, like, so cute and funny. I mean, that in, like, the purple hoodie. It was crazy.

[Jake]

That rocked my world.

[Haley Bieber]

It was so funny.

[Jake]

Hi, Jake. I love you. Love you. My cousin and I were best friends our whole life. We lived together and spent all our time together. I have had a boyfriend for five years, and I've always made time to hang out with her. She's had multiple boyfriends, and every single time she gets one, she ditches me and never hangs out with. With me. That's literally going to be me. Never even text calls or anything. She always comes crawling back whenever her and her whatever boyfriend she has at the time breaks up. What the fuck do I do? How do I stop letting her come back and use me when it's convenient for her? Well, I'm the cousin, so I can't. I can't give advice on this.

[Haley Bieber]

I guess my question would be, have you told your cousin how you feel and that you feel like she comes back to, like, user relationship when it's convenient for her? I think. I just think you can never lose by being honest. When you go to somebody that you have a close relationship with and say, hey, this is how you've been making me feel, and I just need to say it and have a conversation with you because, like, what do you lose by being honest? They don't have to agree with you. They could be offended by what you say. But what do you lose by being honest?

[Jake]

I guess maybe for people that are.

[Haley Bieber]

People pleasers, which I am, by the way. I'm, like, the most massive people pleaser. But the older that I've gotten, it has gotten easier for me to just. Because. Because I've So much more thought, well, what do I have to lose? If you get mad at me for expressing myself and laying out a boundary, then you're not really supposed to be here anyway. And I should know that, right?

[Jake]

I think people that, like, when I used to be scared of that, it's like, I feel like maybe I'm dismantling the entire relationship we've built because it's built on me not being honest with you and me pleasing your interests. You know what I mean?

[Haley Bieber]

So people are allowed to change. So maybe it was built on that in the beginning because you didn't have the confidence or the personal boundaries to be able to say what you needed to say or do that. But you're. You've grown. You're older. Time has gone on. So, like, you've evolved into a person that now can do that. I'm only saying this out of personal, being able to relate to that. And I feel like it got even crazier for me after I had a kid. Whereas, like, before, it was really hard for me to be. To set really clear boundaries with people because I was. I'm such a people pleaser and I struggle with that. I'm like, I don't want them to get mad. I hate people being mad at me more than anything. I hate people being mad at me. I get such bad anxiety. I hate feeling like I have issues with people. Like, I hate it, hate it, hate it. Like, I would rather squash anything, figure anything out, just to, like, have, like, clear slates with anyone and everyone.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Haley Bieber]

And then I realized as I got older, it's just like, like, that's just not possible with every single person because everybody's different and we have different views and different opinions, and you grow away from people and you, you know, have to be able to set clear boundaries. And after I had my son, I was just like, wait. It's so much easier to just draw a line and be like, hey, I actually, like, that doesn't work for me anymore. And that doesn't make me feel comfortable and, like, I'm not it. I'm not doing this anymore.

[Jake]

Is it because you feel like you have this, like, person that, like, you created and, like, you're taking care of so you can, like, not. Not, like, rationalize, but, like, maybe, like, ground yourself?

[Haley Bieber]

I think what it is is a couple different things. I think you are their advocate. And then it may. For me personally, it made me realize I'm his advocate, therefore I'm my. Also my own advocate. And if I would stick up for him in any situation. Like, I would never, ever, ever let. As a parent, you're so protective of your kid. And I'm like, it made me that protective of myself. Right, too.

[Jake]

Oh.

[Haley Bieber]

If I'm his advocate, I can be my own advocate. If I could stand up and say anything to anybody for him, then I can do it for myself. And listen, I've always been the type of person where I have a strong personality. And when you push me to a certain point, I'm gonna say what I need to say. Like, I'm not shy about. And I never was. I'm the type of person where, yes, I've struggled with being a people pleaser, wanted people to like me. I hated ruffling feathers. I was like, not super confrontational, but with the people I trust and I'm close to. If you want to go there, we can go there, right? Like, if you push me, then I'm gonna go there. It's just that I'm at a point in my life now where it doesn't take much for me to go there. I'm not gonna hold back how I feel about a situation. And I think I've just been in situations in my life where I've tried and tried constantly, over and over again, put myself out there with certain people, like, did the same thing over and over until I've just. Just was pushed to a point where I'm like, I'm gonna just say what I need to say because, like, this has reached a point where now you're, like, taking advantage and I can't.

[Jake]

What is it like to not want conflict and be a people pleaser? When you are a public person, your job is public, and, like, people get upset over things that you didn't intend.

[Haley Bieber]

It's a struggle. You know what I mean? I. I still am a people pleaser. I'm still somebody who. I want people to like me. I want. I think it's actually, it's. It's turned into more of, like, I. I want to be understood. And I think that it's so easy to misunderstand people and pick things apart and see, like, a tiny sliver of such a bigger picture. And I do think I've realized that there's just no explaining yourself, no amount of explaining yourself. I think I used to struggle so much with. Over explaining myself and trying to explain who I am to people in, like, white. This wasn't my intention, and this was. And that's not what happened. And this is. And that's not the truth.

[Jake]

And.

[Haley Bieber]

But this Is. But it really doesn't make a difference at all. And it took me so many years to realize it, and I still struggle with it sometimes, but at a certain point, you have to be able to just be like, okay, and just keep it moving and move on. It doesn't mean it hurts any less. It doesn't mean that it doesn't bother me any less. But I think you. You deal with it for so many years that you have to be able to be, like, okay. But then also, again, having boundaries and protecting yourself is also okay. And it's also completely fair to stick up for yourself when you feel that it's necessary. I think it's about, like, picking your battles. But I still struggle with being a people pleaser.

[Jake]

I don't.

[Haley Bieber]

I don't know that that's ever gonna just, like, magically disappear one day.

[Jake]

Yeah. Because at the end of the day, it's like. Like, that's who you are.

[Haley Bieber]

It is. It is. I think, like, innately we wanna. I don't even want to say be liked, but I think, like, we want to feel connected to each other. And I think when you feel like somebody doesn't like you, it feels like you're disconnected from that person and, like, they aren't giving you the chance to connect.

[Jake]

You're like. You, like, think maybe, like, you're doing something wrong too. You're like, what am I doing wrong? That, like, isn't allowing this puzzle piece.

[Haley Bieber]

It feels a lot like, well, what did I ever do to you? It makes you feel like that you've done something to make them not like you. And I think that's on, like, a massive level when you're in the public, because it's like, well, what the did I ever do to you? I don't even know you. And then it's that times, like, millions of people, and then you get caught up in a cycle of constantly trying to prove yourself. I'm here to prove why you should like me and, like, why I didn't do that thing that you said that I'm doing. It. It can be, like, really mentally exhausting and crazy.

[Jake]

Do you have anyone you, like, go to for, like, advice?

[Haley Bieber]

I mean, I have friends that are in, you know, similar position and have been in it way longer than I have, and they get it more than anybody does. So I feel happy and grateful that I have people that I can. That can totally relate to it and be like, yep, totally get it. Feel the exact same way. It's so annoying. At least we have each other. To venture.

[Jake]

What's the best advice you've ever been given on, like, your, like, career in life?

[Haley Bieber]

And, like, being frustrated, not responding is probably the best. Every time I've wanted to react to something or respond to something in a space where I was worked up about it, and I went to a friend that was like, do not respond to this. Do not react to. To this. As hard as that is, they always ended up being right, that not reacting and not responding was the best thing to do and just ignoring and keeping life moving. Because the reality is people will be on to something else.

[Jake]

They'll.

[Haley Bieber]

They'll move on to the next subject. They'll move on to the next thing. And I think a big mistake that I've made many times in my life was, like, responding or reacting and explaining myself and then, like, making the situation way bigger.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Haley Bieber]

You know?

[Jake]

Well, Haley, what did we learn today?

[Haley Bieber]

That Carrie is manic. She is.

[Jake]

She is manic. We learned that you love your supplements.

[Haley Bieber]

Love my supplements. Love my vitamins, all of it.

[Jake]

And that I need to try bossa nova, Brazilian cuisine.

[Haley Bieber]

And that you need to try bossa nova. What's your favorite, like, protein? Do you like chicken?

[Jake]

What a great question. What's my favorite?

[Haley Bieber]

Because you just said before you don't like pizza because you love protein, which, by the way. Which is what we learned today.

[Jake]

Which is, by the way, a lie like that. I think I was just pulling anything to, like, excuse why I don't like pizza. I think chicken. I'd like a good chicken thigh. Like a juicy, charred, grilled spiced chicken thigh.

[Haley Bieber]

Yum.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Haley Bieber]

Yeah. I'm so with you.

[Jake]

What's your favorite protein?

[Haley Bieber]

Can this be the teaser for the episode? So what's your favorite protein? I would say chicken as well.

[Jake]

It's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing.

[Haley Bieber]

Is really good.

[Jake]

Well, thank you for being my season premiere.

[Haley Bieber]

Thanks for having me.

[Jake]

I love you.

[Haley Bieber]

I love you. We've been talking about this for so long.

[Jake]

I know. And we need to. We finally made our pen pal relationship. We did.

[Haley Bieber]

It's so real because Jake sends me screenshots between him and his love interests, and it's like, what do I do? What do I say? And I'm like. Like, I was like, oh, I thought. I thought what he said was, like, kind of really nice. No, that's not.

[Jake]

That's the worst part, though.

[Haley Bieber]

What do you mean?

[Jake]

I'm telling you, here's my plan. I'm gonna go back in three months.

[Haley Bieber]

He sent me something, and I was like, well, at Least he was really honest with you. Like, I think that's.

[Jake]

And what did I say?

[Haley Bieber]

And you were like, here, let's read it. Hold on.

[Jake]

We've been for.

[Haley Bieber]

You know that this is after one date, right?

[Louise]

What?

[Jake]

Wait. Yeah.

[Haley Bieber]

No judgment. That is totally fine. But what I am going to say is, is it. Okay, let me ask you this, actually, because now we have some of the details. Is it. Do you. Did you feel like, crazy rejected or something because he hung out with you one time and you feel like he made a decision about you and hadn't given you the chance to get to know you enough?

[Jake]

I said some pretty outrageous and outlandish things.

[Haley Bieber]

Okay, so you said this, texted me, morning, woke up to this. Literally feel disappointed. Literally feel physically ill. And then I said, omg. I mean, props for the honesty. You said, I don't buy it, but yeah.

[Jake]

Cause I don't. I don't.

[Haley Bieber]

And then. And then follow up text. Two questions for you. Is it okay if I wear Rhode eye patches in my promo video for season three of Therapist? Yes. I'm not gonna read the rest of your text now. I feel like I'm like, oh, you sent me another one. You said, Holy shit. Homeland time after the worst weekend of my life.

[Jake]

Yeah. Cause it was the worst. I was a. I was.

[Haley Bieber]

First of all, he sends me screenshots of this text with this guy. The number isn't saved. I have this person's phone number. I could text him if I wanted to. And then you go for context on my horrible weekend where you said, we went on one date.

[Jake]

I see. I did. At least I'm somewhat honest.

[Haley Bieber]

And I said, dating is truly hell.

[Jake]

It's hell.

[Haley Bieber]

It's hell. And then you said, sorry, I know you don't care, but we'll literally talk to anybody about this situation who will listen. And then I say, no, I care. No, I care. We'll talk about it with you all day, if you needed me to.

[Jake]

How nice. She's like, go get. Yeah. Serious, Seriously, please catch a deck.

[Haley Bieber]

And then we just jump right back into Homeland.

[Jake]

Of course, you need to start industry. That is what we.

[Haley Bieber]

Okay, I will, I will, I will, I will.

[Jake]

But we do need a show that we watch together.

[Haley Bieber]

You know what I will say about this guy is that maybe you guys can circle back to it in, like, a little bit and, like, maybe when he doesn't feel like it was so intense.

[Jake]

Listen to her, please.

[Haley Bieber]

I'll send you road eye patches.

[Jake]

And among other things, she's also launching pimple patches.

[Haley Bieber]

Whatever you want just to give him another chance.

[Jake]

Glazing milk. Glazing spray.

[Haley Bieber]

You're a catch. 10 out of 10.

[Jake]

Stop it. I.

[Haley Bieber]

And if he doesn't want to hang out with you again, then his loss, your loss.

[Jake]

And mine.

[Haley Bieber]

Jake, stop.

[Jake]

And mine. Thank you for joining us for the premiere of season three with the one and only Haley Bieber.

[Haley Bieber]

Thanks for watching.

[Jake]

I love you.

[Haley Bieber]

Bye.

[Jake]

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