Session 90: Audrey Hobert

Summary

Podcast Summary: Therapuss with Jake Shane

Episode: Session 90 – Audrey Hobert
Release Date: August 21, 2025

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Overview

In this vibrant, deeply personal episode, Jake Shane welcomes singer-songwriter Audrey Hobert, celebrating her debut album, Who’s the Clown (released August 15th). The conversation is a delightful blend of career deep-dives, therapy-adjacent humor, Gen Z nostalgia, pop culture analysis, and honest discussion about feelings, creativity, and relationships. Audrey’s warmth, wit, and openness make for a natural back-and-forth filled with laughs, stories, and genuine connection.

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Main Themes & Structure

1. Audrey’s Musical Journey & Debut Album
2. Personal Tales: Childhood, Friendship, and Family
3. Pop Culture Deep Dives (Movies, TV, and Music)
4. Creativity, Confidence, and Internet Culture
5. Audience Q&A (Tell Me What’s Wrong)
6. Authenticity, Relationships, and Self-Worth

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Key Discussion Points & Highlights

1. Audrey’s Debut Album: Origins & Insights

00:14–04:52

• Jake’s Praise for the Album:
  “It’s everything you think and don’t say out loud. She, like, wrote it down and sang it in a melodic, catchy pop song, which is my favorite type of music.” – Jake [00:00]
• “Thirst Trap” Video Origins:
  Audrey breaks down how “Thirst Trap” became the lead single (“not my choice, but my label pushed for it”) and how she channeled High School Musical 2's “Bet On It” scene for the music video.
  “Usually Thirst Trap was not my choice for album single, but my label was like, yeah, this is the one.” – Audrey [02:31] “On the line, ‘your face,’ it’s his reflection in the water... I do exactly that.” – Audrey [03:19]
• Audrey’s Attitude Toward Release:
  “I don’t have the thing where I’m nervous. I have nothing to lose. I’m grateful that anyone cares at all. I want the ears of the world.” – Audrey [03:40]

2. The Transition: Screenwriting to Music

04:44–07:36

• Background: Audrey initially pursued screenwriting and theater (NYU, restaurant jobs in LA), and shares a pivotal pandemic era pivot.
  “I was in writer's rooms for TV... The reason I’m pursuing this is because I never got the lead in theater!” – Audrey [04:44–06:48]
• Sibling Dynamics & Drive: Not having the lead roles growing up became a motivator.

3. Growing Up: Teenage Stories, Camp & Wild Nights

07:36–14:19

• Shared Childhood Camp Experiences:
  Fitness by the Sea and Sandy Days were LA day camp rivals. Both hosts bond over camp lore.
  “Fitness by the Sea was the main brand, Sandy Days was off-brand. It’s like Poppy and Ollipop.” – Audrey [09:18]
• First Time Flying First Class:
  “I kept waking up [on the plane] thinking, I want to live here.” – Audrey [11:31]
• Party Misadventures:
  • Audrey recounts her 20th birthday ER blackout (Love is a Wild Thing as the recovery soundtrack) [14:12]
  • “Woke up at 4am, saw Gracie on the phone with my mom, tried to rip out my IV… we went back to my apartment and played Kacey Musgraves.” – Audrey [13:32]

4. Pop Culture Obsessions: Movies, TV, Fandoms

17:53–22:25, 32:16–44:13

• Movie Fandoms & Villainy:
  • Fifty Shades of Grey: “Dakota Johnson is the most sparkling person… the plot is thick.” – Audrey [18:13]
  • Hunger Games & “hot villain” dilemma: “You can’t make villains hot and expect me not to root for them.” – Jake [19:05]
• TV Obsessions:
  • Girls and Glee: Both hosts identify as “Rachel” and “Hannah” (“Everyone in my life says you’re Rachel.” – Audrey [20:54])
  • Severance: Season 1 finale hailed as “the greatest of all time.” – Jake [20:21]
  • Nathan Fielder, How To with John Wilson, Scandal, Greys Anatomy, Shondaland universe discussed with deep affection or guilty pleasure.
• Fanfiction: Writing erotic fanfiction about TV characters (Jake with Fitz from Scandal), and the difficulty writing actual sex scenes.
  “I write all the lead up and then… and then they had sex. I can’t bring myself to write more.” – Audrey [45:10]

5. The Path to Songwriting & Creative Process

25:46–31:05

• Gracie Abrams’ Role: “She is entirely the reason this has all happened… she respected me from the jump… writing with her was so easy.” – Audrey [26:01, 26:56]
• Co-writing vs. Solo Writing: Audrey’s creative process is slow and precise; writing with strangers in quick sessions didn’t resonate. “My songs take a very long time to write… I need time to wonder if a certain line is perfect.” – Audrey [28:42]

6. Authenticity, Confidence & Navigating Online Presence

49:21–56:47

• On Authenticity:
  • Jake: “I was notoriously… my mom would be like, you should probably brush your hair.” [49:21]
  • Audrey: “I always go to CVS looking bad, and I don’t want to have to worry about being presentable.”
• Social Media Philosophy:
  “I literally use [Instagram] as a stream of consciousness… people really resonated with it.” – Jake [55:32]
• Mutual Admiration:
  “Your honesty. You just say what comes to your head. I like talking to you.” – Audrey [52:55]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Songwriting + Collaboration
  “The nature of songwriting sessions: ‘Ok, Jackson’s got a dinner at 6, so we gotta pump this out…’ That’s just not for me.” – Audrey [28:42]
• On Debut Album:
  “I want the ears of the world. I don’t want any notes, it’s over!” – Audrey [04:03]
• On Stage Fright:
  “If you’ve written songs you’re proud of, know that no one will ever hear them unless you put yourself out there… no one’s going to come knock at your door.” – Audrey [62:19]
• On Friendship (Q&A):
  “If you are always the ear and never the mouth… I don’t know if your friends care about you.” – Audrey [67:05]
• On Confidence & Dating:
  “I want to date the male version of myself.” – Audrey [46:26]

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Audience Q&A Highlights (Tell Me What’s Wrong)

[57:43–68:25]

• Cousin Confession Scenario
  Approach with diplomacy, keep it between the two of you, and only escalate if inappropriate advances continue.
  “Don’t make them feel crazy, but know in your head that it's crazy.” – Audrey [59:05]
• Relationship Trauma Reactions
  Might be unresolved trauma or might mean you’re not that into your partner. Suggested: time alone.
  “When you’re with someone for a long time… not getting really irked at small things means you probably aren’t super into them anymore.” – Audrey [59:25]
• Friend’s Toxic Partner
  Set boundaries—say you can’t talk about or see the boyfriend. “Let them [experience it]. If he sucks, she’ll come back.” – Audrey [60:53]
• Getting Started as a Singer With Stage Fright
  “No one is going to come knock at your door… just do it.” [62:19] + the Megan Moroney story (haters in the beginning become congratulators later).
• Hot Former Teacher
  “If you were into it, you wouldn’t have called in… There’s a difference between wanting a story and actually being into it.” – Audrey [64:37]
• Flirting Gone Wrong
  Both hosts admit to being “the worst flirt in America”; advise is confidence and directness: “Are you single?” as a simple opener.
• Advice Giver Fatigue in Friend Groups
  “If you’re always the advice giver, and they never ask about you, you deserve better friends.”

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Music Talk – What’s On Repeat?

68:22–70:30

• Both are obsessed with old Selena Gomez, trading favorite tracks: “Who Says,” “Come and Get It,” “Back to You,” and “It Ain’t Me.”
• Audrey listens to her own music often, especially “Sue Me.” Jake: “Dare I say instant classic?”
  Audrey: “Oh, stop.” [68:47]

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Closing Moments & Takeaways

70:35–71:20

• Audrey: “I learned I really like you. I can totally do a podcast. And it gets hot in here.” [70:35]
• Both express genuine excitement about becoming friends IRL.

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Timestamps For Key Segments

• [02:14] – “Thirst Trap” and music video concept
• [07:36] – Pandemic pivot, restaurant jobs, and LA childhood
• [13:14] – The infamous blackout birthday/ER story
• [18:13] – Fifty Shades & movie fandoms
• [25:46] – How Audrey started songwriting
• [32:16] – Recognizing songwriters and TV talk
• [45:10] – Writing (and not writing) sex scenes in fanfic
• [49:21] – Authenticity, public life, and online presence
• [57:43] – Tell Me What’s Wrong: Audience Q&A
• [68:22] – What they’re listening to now
• [70:35] – Final thoughts and warm farewells

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Overall Tone

• Conversational, funny, self-aware, and vulnerable.
  Audrey and Jake bounce between playful teasing, honest admissions, and pop-culture savvy banter, all while offering real emotional insight. It’s a masterclass in being both tongue-in-cheek and deeply introspective—true to the Therapuss brand.

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Perfect For:
Fans of pop music, songwriting, Gen Z nostalgia, real talk on friendship and confidence, or anyone craving a window into creative process, vulnerability and laughter.

Transcript

[Jake]

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[Audrey Hobert]

Oh, my God, Jake. Oh, my God, Jake. Wait. We just, like, we were just chatting till the cows came home, and. And now here we are. We're still gonna chat.

[Jake]

We're still gonna chat. I'm so excited you're here. I'm such a big fan.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay, well, I'm such a big fan, and also, this is my first podcast, and I feel like I'm on the Cadillac Pod podcast. I can't. Yeah.

[Jake]

What?

[Audrey Hobert]

The Cadillac of podcast. The Cadillac of podcast.

[Jake]

Thank you so much.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. No, you do, and you know it.

[Jake]

No, no.

[Audrey Hobert]

And I don't say that because you're. You're seeming like you are full of yourself, but I. I just had to say I love your podcast.

[Jake]

Thank you. I love your album.

[Audrey Hobert]

Thank you.

[Jake]

It's amazing. I'm so happy. The. The best feelings when you say to someone, this is my favorite song, and they're like. And that's actually the lead single.

[Audrey Hobert]

Lead single. Yeah.

[Jake]

My favorite is Thirst Trap.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. Yes. Thirst Trap. You. I. Yeah. Just today turned in the video and what's the Video. Like, the video is like, basically. Okay, so usually Thirst Trap was not my choice for album single.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Audrey Hobert]

But my label was like, yeah, this is the one. And I basically. Because when I was writing it, I didn't finish it for months. I was sort of whatever about it. I wrote it at home on the guitar. And then when we produced it out and when I properly vocally recorded it, it was like, hell, yeah. And everyone was like, hell, yeah. And now I'm like, hell, yeah. But for songs like Sue Me and Bowling Alley, like, I had videos in my head, right. For those songs, which is. It was, like, sort of partially why they were picked as single in my head, picked as singles. And then Thirst Trap, I had no video idea. So I would just take walks around the reservoir and sort of just like, come up with stuff. And so it's just. I don't even know how to describe it. There's green screen stuff. And then I also, I reference a scene in Bed on it or from High School Musical, too.

[Jake]

That's awesome.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay, so you know when he, like, comes clamoring down the rock really fast. Yes. And then he is. It's no good at all to see yourself and not recognize. He's singing to a body of water. And on the line, your face. It's his reflection in the water, but it's poorly done. I do exactly that.

[Jake]

That is awesome.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I'm excited to see it.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Are you excited for the album to come out?

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. I've been waiting for this moment. I, I. Yeah, no, please. No, no. I just. I don't have, like, the thing where I'm nervous. Like, I don't. I don't. I have nothing to lose. And I feel like I'm just, You know, I'm. I'm grateful that anyone cares at all. And also, I'm like, let's. I want the ears of the world. I want the ears of the world.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

I don't know why. I mean, of course I do, but.

[Jake]

Yours of the world, as in, like, you want people to, like, give you notes or you want everyone to listen?

[Audrey Hobert]

I don't want any notes. Also, it's over. Like, I mean, I guess, you know, Phoebe Bridgers does that. She, like, changes lines.

[Jake]

Does she really?

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, when she performs on Scott street, she does a. The line in the record version is something about, like, they're all getting married and. What about the band? Yeah, they're all getting married. And when she performs alive, she says they're all having babies.

[Jake]

Interesting.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I did not know that.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. And I'm like, I wonder why, you know, she changes that line. So I guess I could take notes and change lines, but I really don't want to hear it. Yeah, I don't want to hear it.

[Jake]

Wait, but I had no idea that you. I, for some reason thought you'd been pursuing music forever, but you, like, were in writers rooms for television.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. Yeah, I mean, I was in one writer's room. I went to college for screenwriting. I did theater growing up. I was. I. Theater kid. I feel like implies a really annoying person and perhaps I was. You don't think so?

[Jake]

No. Maybe it's because I like, semi was one.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, I. I feel like I. Semi was one.

[Jake]

Did you not?

[Audrey Hobert]

Did you Do I.

[Jake]

On and off with it.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Okay.

[Jake]

Like in school, in school, I wasn't like every year.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, you weren't every year. So, like, if you saw a show that you were interested in, you thought, maybe I could have a part in it, then you'd do it or what made you.

[Jake]

I think it was like, I don't know what. I did it once when I was in eighth grade and then my senior year.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay.

[Jake]

And then I did it when I was in sixth grade.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

So I don't think I was a theater kid.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, yeah. So. But you love theater.

[Jake]

Yeah, love it.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay. I do too. But I feel like, I don't know, I don't know, like every song in Hadestown and I don't know I even.

[Jake]

Know what that is.

[Audrey Hobert]

Like, you don't know Hadestown?

[Jake]

Oh, is that the one that spelled Haynestown?

[Audrey Hobert]

Wait, yeah. But, yeah, yeah, I was like theater kid. I was a theater kid. I did all the theater. Like we did Spring Awakening my senior year. I really should have gotten Vendler. Didn't get it. Everyone was kind of like going to get it and I didn't get it. And it's actually funny. Me and my brother Malcolm, like, I'm one of four kids, so I'm the oldest. We all did theater. And my brother Malcolm is a musician as well. And him and I were the only two kids in my family who never got the lead. And that's to me, why him and I are pursuing this. It's like because I never got the lead. So now here is me getting the lead. And yeah, I always sang, I always dance. I was like a big dancer. That was like my main thing. And then. But then in high school, I sort of was like getting into movies, getting in tv. I wrote a lot in my free time and I Identified as somebody who was a writer and behind the scenes. Because I just, in my head was like, it is so chic to not want to be in front of the camera or the lead. It's like you. You know? So I. I applied to nyu, got in, went for screenwriting. Loved it. Covid happened my junior year, halfway through, like, directly after my 21st birthday party, which was, like, the greatest night of my life. Everybody came to the party, everyone showed up for me, and then world shut down. I brought home a duffel because I thought it was spring break. I mean, we've all been there. And then. Yeah, I started. I, like, did Covid, and then started working at a restaurant, and then I. Restaurant Jelena.

[Jake]

No way. Yeah, that used to be my favorite.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay, wait, you don't go anymore?

[Jake]

Well, I used to go, like, when I was a kid with my parents all the time.

[Audrey Hobert]

Oh, wait, you grew up here?

[Jake]

No, but I would spend all my summers here. Like, I would, like. Do you know the camp Fitness by the Sea?

[Audrey Hobert]

Bitch, I went to Fitness by the Sea. Yeah.

[Jake]

What house? What, like, little thing you were you.

[Audrey Hobert]

I couldn't remember, but in my head, it's octopus. And that might just be because.

[Jake]

Were you an eel with widget?

[Audrey Hobert]

No. Should I have been?

[Jake]

No, I just, like, that's the vibe I got.

[Audrey Hobert]

You were an eel with widget, and you were.

[Jake]

No, I was in. There was the sharks. The eels.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Audrey Hobert]

You know what, though? I remember at Fitness by the Sea was the counselors, to me felt so old. In reality, they're probably 14.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Audrey Hobert]

But I remember trying to suss out who had chemistry of the counselors. And I was always just like, I think he likes her, and I think they have a thing, and I think they've probably kissed. And I also remember being, like, watched when we were in the water and not being able to go past a certain point and me being like, I want to swim free.

[Jake]

Like, yeah. The blue rash guard.

[Audrey Hobert]

And the blue rash guard. Of course. And I loved Fitness by the Sea.

[Jake]

Same. So much.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes.

[Jake]

I must have gone for, like, five years.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Okay. I woke up every morning and I was like, let's go.

[Jake]

Did you. Do you remember any of the counselors?

[Audrey Hobert]

No. No. No. But that was, like, I never went to sleepaway camp, but I did day camps like that.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

Tennis camp, whatever. Yeah. But, oh, my God. Fitness by the Sea. And then something popped up called Sandy Days. Of course.

[Jake]

And that was their main competitor.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes.

[Jake]

And Sandy Days was down the road. Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

And they did yellow. Yeah.

[Jake]

And it Was always like, war between them.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes, yes. And I just remember feeling like Fitness by the Sea was the, like, main brand. And then Sandy Days was off brand a hundred percent.

[Jake]

It's like poppy and Ollipop.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. You know, because I've never had Ollipop.

[Jake]

Same, but I've had a lot of poppy. So much poppy.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Orange.

[Jake]

But you're always hearing like, well, it's between them.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I hear good things about Ollipop. Yeah. I don't want to, like, bar myself off from maybe brand deal one day.

[Jake]

But you. You worked at Jelena.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, I worked at Jelena. Did that for six, eight months. Six to eight months. Really crazy time. Because it was masks up. Yeah. And then I took a week vacation, and that one week was when the mask mandate was briefly lifted and everyone at work saw each other for the first time. And then I came back and the mask mandate was back. So it's actually interesting. Like, I go back to Jelena and I know some people there.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

But I usually like to go and kind of not be acknowledged by the people I once work with. But nobody recognizes anybody because we were all in masks.

[Jake]

Do you remember when you would, like, take someone from, like, the hostess stand to their table and they would have to wear a mask from the hostess stand to the table and then they could take the mask off?

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes, yes.

[Jake]

The rules were insane.

[Audrey Hobert]

The rules were insane. Oh, my God. No, I think once a week, I sort of. If I'm in a grocery store or anywhere, I. I am. Like, I have a moment of being so grateful that that time is over.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

Like, I was on a plane the other day and I was looking around all these faces, and I was like, it was. It was miserable misery.

[Jake]

I remember the first time I. So I flew home or. No, I flew back to LA to live in my college apartment because I was like, I can't be in New York anymore. And they up the plane, upgraded me to first class. I never flown first class before because they had to keep people separate. I couldn't even enjoy it because I had gloves on, a mask on, and a hoodie and my hands were so sweaty and I was. And I just remember being so miserable in first class.

[Audrey Hobert]

We both flew back float. Okay. Yeah. March 13th. I flew to LA from New York and my mom the few days prior was like, get a mask, get a mask. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I did like on the 12th go try and find a mask. Obviously sold out. But yeah, I remember being on that plane, and I actually ran. There was someone else on that plane who was from my theater program at high. At high school. And he sat next to me and he told me a very devastating thing that I won't repeat. But. Yeah.

[Jake]

Oh, God.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay. I flew first class for the first time last December.

[Jake]

How amazing.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. It was the best part of the trip, right? Yes. I kept. I kept waking up. I was in and out of sleep, and I. Every time I woke up, I thought, I want to live on this plane.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

What airline?

[Audrey Hobert]

Delta. Which is just the best. Delta One. Yes. I actually. I recently became Silver. Silver medallion.

[Jake]

Congratulations.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. I'm sure you're diamond.

[Jake]

No. I'm about to be, though.

[Audrey Hobert]

Really?

[Jake]

I'm so excited.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay. That is huge, because what happens. Okay. And then I was in the Delta Lounge for the very first time just a month ago.

[Jake]

Which Delta? The Delta Lounge or the Delta one Lounge?

[Audrey Hobert]

The Delta. Which one was better? Delta one Lounge.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

I was in the one where it's like, special entrance through lax.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. What the.

[Jake]

It's like you're flying private.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. It's like you're. And then you get in there, and it's like a spa, a buffet, and I.

[Jake]

A restaurant.

[Audrey Hobert]

A restaurant. Everyone there is, like, sort of like, looking at you and looking away. And I was. I was in there with my mom and my sister, and I was like, you could just lose track in a time. Like, in a place like this. You could lose track of time in a place like this. And I was thinking about it, and, like, being in an airport, it's like, you're never gonna miss that flight because you're like, get me out of this gate. But if you're at the Delta One Lounge, I'm like, I could hang here. I don't know if I need to go where I'm going. Have you taken a shower there?

[Jake]

No. But apparently it's amazing.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Really?

[Jake]

Yeah. Apparently. It's so clean and it's amazing. Like, you said, it is the best part of the trip. I hate vacationing.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Okay. I also recently went on a vacation.

[Jake]

Did you have fun?

[Audrey Hobert]

No.

[Jake]

Right?

[Audrey Hobert]

No. I mean, I did. It Points like, it was for the 4th of July. I did have fun. I was with my cousins, who are my sisters in my world. So it was really fun. And you can kind of just do whatever, but I got blackout drunk on the Fourth of July, actually. That was really fun. And I was just FaceTiming people, and I was just wearing a sun hat that I've only blacked out once before.

[Jake]

Only once?

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, I blacked.

[Jake]

21St birthday, 20th.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay. So on my 20th birthday, I had a party, and I took a shot every time someone walked in the door. And then.

[Jake]

Did you not die?

[Audrey Hobert]

No. Well, I almost. I will. The thing is, like, I was taken to the. Gracie actually took me to the emergency room.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Very good friend. It's like, one of our favorite stories, but, like, yeah, basically I blacked out. I don't remember anything. But the party got shut down. By midnight, I was in an ambulance. Don't remember anything. Woke up at 4 in the morning, saw Gracie sitting there on the phone with my mom, tried to rip out my iv. The nurses came running for me. Then I went back to bed. Woke up again at 6. I was fully conscious. Back to me, had someone remove the iv, and then her and I walked back to my apartment from the city md. And then we got in my bed, and it was six in the morning, like, the sun was up. And we were going to bed. And I remember I just played Love is a Wild Thing by Casey Musgraves, and we went to bed.

[Jake]

Best song ever.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. And I don't know why it was that one, but I was just. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. It's. It's one of our famous stories.

[Jake]

Did you have Scaries, or were you, like, whatever.

[Audrey Hobert]

No. You know what's so funny is my mom was on the phone with Gracie when we got back into my apartment, and my mom was like, audrey, it's so funny that you got up on the coffee table and took your shirt off and danced, and I started screaming, and she was like, jk.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

Good night, ladies. Yeah.

[Jake]

Your mom sounds awesome.

[Audrey Hobert]

She. She's the entire reason why I am the way I am.

[Jake]

My parents, if that happened. Well, one time I, like, blacked out and, like, woke up with a gash in my head, and my parents legitimately tried to send me to rehab, and I was like, oh, my God, wait, that I can't ever tell them about it.

[Audrey Hobert]

Were you not much of a problem child, though?

[Jake]

No, I was.

[Audrey Hobert]

You were. And you grew up in New York?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay.

[Jake]

I grew up on, like, uptown New York, and I went to school on the Upper west side.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Okay. I know some kids who grew up in New York City, and I think they're the coolest people.

[Jake]

Very independent. Like, I took the subway age 12. I, like, knew how to get. I knew how to make my own plans and, like. But then, like, when I moved to la, like, I regressed. Entirely.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Like, I can't do anything alone. Yeah, I.

[Audrey Hobert]

You don't drive.

[Jake]

No, I will crash. So I Uber and like, it's just.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. I'm sure you get asked this a lot, but, like, you don't have any desire to get your license? Never.

[Jake]

No, I do. I have a desire, but it's like sometimes I'm like going somewhere and I'm like, you know what? And thank God I don't have to work in this. Like, you know, driving feels like you're.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Participating in something.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes, that. I guess that's true. You are participating in something. But. And I have. But I've been in eight car accidents.

[Jake]

And you still have your license.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes, and I still. Well, they tried to get it revoked.

[Jake]

How have you been in eight car accidents?

[Audrey Hobert]

Well, I would say like five of them were minor, three of them were major. And then the last one I was in, I sort of looked up at the sky, at God, and I said, this is my last one. Right. And they were like, for sure this is your last one. I was looking down at ways and next thing you know, boom, collision.

[Jake]

But.

[Audrey Hobert]

30 miles per hour, which doesn't seem like it's fast. Very.

[Jake]

No, that's very fast.

[Audrey Hobert]

And. But luckily the woman I hit was a firewoman. Oh, so she knew who to call. Yeah, but we were in the middle lane of the 10 east and. Okay, wait, this is. This is great. I. I had just gotten back from Pennsylvania visiting my cousins and I had taken a red eye. So I was a bit in a daze. And I had decided when I landed I was going on a one day juice cleanse. So came to the Brentwood Country Mart. I got a press juice cleanse. And so I'm drinking juice all day and I'm like, I've been up forever. And you're faint and I'm faint and I'm in a hoodie. I just come from Pennsylvania. I don't know if there's a town in Pennsylvania called Intercourse. So I was in a hoodie that says I heart Intercourse. And then Pennsylvania, very small. And then I'd also been to Chocolate World, Hershey in Hershey, Pennsylvania. And so I was wearing giant Hershey's sweats. I was just going to see my boyfriend at the time. He must have loved me. But yeah, I remember collision. I got out, I had literally my laptop in the back, all of these belongings, like my dad's tennis stuff. And I just grabbed the juice cleanse and I got out of the car. I literally. It was, it was so for the.

[Jake]

Juice cleanse before the laptop.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes, yes. And so I was standing. So imagine me standing there in that outfit in the middle lane, just like, two hand on a pressed juice bag, waiting for the fire truck. And then that. That car was totaled. But then I got my dream car.

[Jake]

Oh, amazing. Congratulations.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. I got my dream car after that because I could afford it at the time, and it's still my car to this day.

[Jake]

What car is it?

[Audrey Hobert]

A Subaru Crosstrek.

[Jake]

Amazing.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. Yes. Have you ever. Oh, you don't drive.

[Jake]

No, I don't drive, but my dad only drove in Volvos growing up because he said those were the safest.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. And so did the Cullens.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Are you Die Hard?

[Audrey Hobert]

No, but I've seen them all. But. But I'm not, like, I don't know everything, and I'm not obsessed.

[Jake]

Or do you. Are there any, like, trilogy of movies that you, like, really do claim I. Fifty Shades. No way.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Yeah. Except really, it's just the first one.

[Jake]

I've never seen any of them.

[Audrey Hobert]

Oh, my God, Jake.

[Jake]

Are they that good?

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. I mean, okay, the first one. I just think that, like, Dakota Johnson is the most sparkling person on this planet in that movie, and I think she entirely made it the success it was. She is so funny in that movie, and the. The dialogue is questionable, but the plot is thick.

[Jake]

Doesn't she, like, notoriously hate the movie? Like, in press tours, wouldn't she be like. It's bad.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. I feel like she. She's always like, you're looking in her eye. And all of those videos you're going, what do you really think?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

Dakota Johnson. Yeah. But I just adore her. But, yeah, I would say 50 Shades is the one I claim. And I do like the Hunger Games.

[Jake]

I love the Hunger Games. That's the one I claim.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Okay, what about ballads and. Ballads of songbirds and snakes?

[Jake]

I'm. Is. No, that's not the new one. That's the run. That's the one that just came out.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Rachel Zegler.

[Jake]

Loved it.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. So good.

[Jake]

Loved it. But it was like I was rooting for the villain, which I didn't want.

[Audrey Hobert]

To be doing the guy.

[Jake]

No.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Holy.

[Jake]

Right? Well, because I'm like, you can't make. My issue with villains is, like, you can't make them hot and then expect me not to root for them.

[Audrey Hobert]

No, exactly. And also, like, the. The villain is the most. The villain is the part you want to get in the movie. The villain is the part you want to get in the play.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

It's the most. My mom always said that she was in theater, and she did. She played Rizzo in Greece, and I always was like, didn't you want to be Sandy? And she was like, no, Rizzo is, like, a much more interesting character to play because she's the villain.

[Jake]

Oh, that's like a true artist.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. Yeah. No, trust me.

[Jake]

That's like a true artist.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. But you love movies.

[Jake]

I love TV shows more.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay. Okay.

[Jake]

I'm like a big TV show.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay. Okay.

[Jake]

I must have seen, like, 10 shows this year.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay, so severance. Yes.

[Jake]

Yes. Always.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. I will say I like the first season a little bit more.

[Jake]

Okay. You know what? Me too.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes.

[Jake]

Because I thought Cold harbor, the.

[Audrey Hobert]

That one off.

[Jake]

I was just like, so what is it like? Do you know what I mean?

[Audrey Hobert]

No, I know I would. I watched that entire show with Malcolm, and we'd be clutching hands watching it, and it was like, build up, build up. There was one episode that really wowed me, but. And obviously, it's amazing, right? And, like, my favorite thing about that show was the last shot of it in the finale. Oh, turned to film.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

Turn to film.

[Jake]

So cool.

[Audrey Hobert]

I was just like, this is cool. And I felt cool that I knew it was film.

[Jake]

In. In my mind, though, nothing beats the season one finale. To this day, I think it's the greatest finale of all time. She's alive. And then it cuts.

[Audrey Hobert]

No. I could start crying.

[Jake]

Like, I start crying. Amazing.

[Audrey Hobert]

Brilliant. It's getting brilliant. It's brilliant. And then what else was amazing this year?

[Jake]

I've. I've been re. I've been watching old stuff, so, like, I watched the Leftovers for the first time.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay. I haven't seen that.

[Jake]

Well, like, what's your type of show?

[Audrey Hobert]

Girls.

[Jake]

Okay. That's my favorite show.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Yeah. Glee.

[Jake]

Glee.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, I know.

[Jake]

Who's your. Who's your. Who's, like, your favorite Glee character?

[Audrey Hobert]

Rachel.

[Jake]

Me, too.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. I'm Rachel.

[Jake]

I am Rachel. Yes.

[Audrey Hobert]

Everyone in my life says you're Rachel.

[Jake]

And I just don't understand why people see a problem with her.

[Audrey Hobert]

Well, I think. Yeah. I mean, I could. I'm not gonna say, but I think. I think it's. You know what. You know what I relate to her about? It's that she just, like, even thinking about season one, it's like, she is like, I'm a star, and she is a star. Yes, I'm a star, and I'm hot, and I'm interesting, and nobody here recognizes it in the way that I Do Right. And that is what I relate to. I tried to put a photo of her and Sue Me. I wanted, basically. And she. Leigh Michele approved. She approved it the day after we shot it. So I wanted Sue Me. The music video. It starts in a bedroom. I wanted a giant, like, museum framed photo of Rachel Berry, right center. And I wrote a letter to Lea Michelle. I. I did everything I could.

[Jake]

She's lovely.

[Audrey Hobert]

No, I. I don't care if she's lovely. She's everything. Like, she is. Like, literally, she. I mean, even, like, Spring Awakening. Everything. I mean, and. But Rachel Barry, right? Yes. And Finn was one of my sexual awakenings.

[Jake]

Me, too.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes, me too. And then with. Well, what girl are you?

[Jake]

Hannah.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, I'm Hannah.

[Jake]

Well, if you're Rachel, you're Hannah.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. Yes. I. I kind of was Shoshana from, I want to say, like, 2019 to 2023. And then I was like, wait, no, I'm Hannah. I don't know why I thought it was Shoshana, though. I think it was, like, the innocence thing.

[Jake]

That's. I feel the innocence of Shoshana sometimes, but I. I know I am Hannah.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes.

[Jake]

Because, like, also, I feel like girls have, like, the craziest renaissance of all time.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. Yes. And have you seen her new show?

[Jake]

Yeah. Amazing.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I just. I love Meg Stalter so much.

[Audrey Hobert]

I love Meg Stalter. Just her appearance on Colbert.

[Jake]

I watched it the other night for fun.

[Audrey Hobert]

Like, holy shit, girl. Yeah. Rip it in that way. Like, you. Not. Like, you only get one shot at something like this. I mean, I could have come in a weave today.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

And imagine if I should have been a giant wig.

[Jake]

I would like. Oh, yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

No, it's not me. I'm just in pants and stripes.

[Jake]

Wait, but was Sue Me the first song you wrote for the album?

[Audrey Hobert]

No, Sue Me was the fifth song I wrote. I wrote Wet Hair first, and then I wrote Chateau. And then I wrote I Like to touch People. And then I was like, I think I want to do this as a job. And then I wrote Sex in the City, and then I wrote Sue Me.

[Jake]

Was Chateau based off of, like, one night you had at the Chateau Mont? I gathered that.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. Yes, it was entirely. It was.

[Jake]

Sounds like you, like, went there, went home and wrote this song.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, exactly. I. I mean, it literally was that. I started writing it the next day. I was so hungover in bed, and I just was. I picked up my guitar and I wrote. I wrote that whole thing. Yeah. I. Yeah, I went to a Grammys after party.

[Jake]

Have you been to one a Grammys.

[Audrey Hobert]

After Grammys after party?

[Jake]

I think, like, maybe one.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jake]

But not like a. Not like a. Because you know that you have, like, the record label after parties, and then you have the artist after parties. I've never been to an artist.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Okay. So it was an artist after party, and I went there and. And I can have fun at those kinds of things. And maybe because, like, you. You find yourself at these industry parties. I have for a long time because Gracie has always been like, girl, we're going. And I'm like, okay, let's go. And I think it's fun. And I love to watch and watch these people live. And I, you know, also, because nobody has known who I am and still might not, you know, like, I just would just sort of stand there. It's fun to make friends sometimes. But, yeah, I just. You just kind of standing there in this particular Grammys after party. I was on a little bit of mushrooms, which just, like the tiniest bit is perfect. And just really just so it just brings you right out. Which I can manage to do sober as well. But it's a party. Like, let me just do a little something. I had one amazing moment, actually, with Mark Ronson, which was. Well, exactly. So I put my bag at the party underneath the DJ stand, and I went to go grab, like, a lipstick or something, and I was crouched down and something hit me, and I turned around like that, like, whipped. And there was Mark Ronson. And he just flashed me the nicest smile, and I just flashed him a smile back, and that was it. And I. But I was on the mushrooms, and I just was like, he is a wonderful person.

[Jake]

He. Yeah, he's made some wonderful music.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Like Uptown Funk, right?

[Jake]

Yeah. And Back to Black.

[Audrey Hobert]

Oh, yeah. Duh. I should have said that. But I really love Uptown Funk, too.

[Jake]

It's a banger.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I feel like everything Bruno Mars touches.

[Audrey Hobert]

Turns, turns to 24k gold.

[Jake]

How it's really crazy.

[Audrey Hobert]

I know. I saw him. I saw him live when I think was 15 or something.

[Jake]

Awesome. Yeah. Wait, so when did you start. Did you. When did you start writing music?

[Audrey Hobert]

I started writing music with Gracie. That was my first time writing music.

[Jake]

Wow.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it was like, you know, kind of heaven sent, like, perfect for me because I was a writer, but I didn't. I'd never, never tried writing music.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

And they're. My best friend was, like, prolific. Been doing it for a long time. Very good. And her and I were living together, so one day we Just randomly started writing a song. Her cousin was over and had just broken up with her boyfriend. And she said out loud, it's just pain these days. And Gracie and I looked at each other and we sang it's just Pain these days. And then we wrote a whole song based around it's just Pain these Days. And then we're like, that was really fun. And then we just kept doing it. And Born were some really fun songs. In the entire time, I was just sort of like, this is a fun thing to do with my friend. I'm having a lot of fun. And it was her who was like, hey, you know, you're good at this. Like, let me set you up with. Let me introduce you to my publisher. Let me introduce you to my lawyer. And so she. I mean, she's entirely the reason that this has all happened, right? And it was the most spell, spell binding, spell bounding, binding, spell, binding experience. She brought me along. She was inclusive. She respected me from the jump. We have such a friendship. And to write songs with her was so easy because we know each other so well, and it was just amazing. But then when she. The album was done and she went off to tour and promote it, I was, like, left, you know, breathless. I was like, well, let me take a crack at this, right? And also, I had started to do, like, songwriting sessions, like, classic. Go in with people that you don't know, sit down, talk for an hour, go, well, where's the song? And I found that my talent was not best suited for that because I. All of my songs take me a very long time to write. Gracie and I would work on songs together for, you know, over the course of days sometimes. We were always ruminating on it and thinking about it and trying to come up with the best line possible. And the nature of sessions are sometimes, like, okay, so Jackson's got a dinner at 6, so we gotta, like, pump this out, right? And it just doesn't for me. I think that there are songwriters who are really good in that setting. I am not. I need a lot of time to think about it. And I basically, like, did classic songwriting sessions for four months. Knew kind of from the jump that it wasn't for me. But I figured there was something to learn from it and never felt differently. Like, I. I very seldom left a session feeling like, that's a good song. And not because I wasn't with talented people, but because I didn't have, you know, 13 hours to wonder if a certain word was perfect or a certain line. And so I started Kind of like for shits and gigs, writing by myself. Did not think anything of it. I still like. Around the time I signed my publishing deal, the Nickelodeon show I was writing for got canceled. So I was lucky in that I was technically employed post show cancellation. And yeah, I just was like, let me just write some songs. I don't know. And I found that doing it by myself was like, just different. I love to collaborate, but when it comes to me and my stories, I guess I. I want to. I want to be writing every word.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

So I did write every word of the album, except Ricky, who made the entire album with me. He wrote fucking. But your ex is iconic. That's his line.

[Jake]

I love that.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, I know. And that's in the few shows I've played. That is the line that girls be screaming their face off and it's like. And every time I just think of him because I really did. And then he changed on accident. One line of another song called Shooting Star. And he was just singing. He would. He sings my songs to me all the time and doesn't know the words. And so there's a line in Shooting Star that's. I like it the. I'm totally loving the music and I like it the best. I said when I lose it. And he's saying, I like it the best when I'm losing. And that song is about basically loving being drunk at the club, but only when you have something to be upset about.

[Jake]

So valid.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. You know, I don't care to be drunk. I'm not gonna sleep well, first of all. So I don't really care to be drunk if my life is great. Actually, you know, it's really fun sometimes.

[Jake]

But only if you have. Not to be talked.

[Audrey Hobert]

No, no.

[Jake]

If you have like a prospect of the night, that's literally what the song is about.

[Audrey Hobert]

And I like my. When the album comes out, I mean, it's out now. It's technically out now. Right now there's a subsection of my website that's like an entire archival of like videos of me making and writing. And then like I did write ups of each song and that is the exact thing I talk about, which is like, if I'm drunk out at a bar or a club, which I don't really go to the club, but I have been a few times. Like, I'm. I'm wanting to be like, is he gonna text me? Is he here? Like, I don't want to be like, I don't know what to do with myself here.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

What Do I just dance?

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. What? Do I just dance? Like, I want to dance on him.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. But. Yeah. So anyway, all that to say I love. I love to write songs.

[Jake]

It was a really beautiful way.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[Jake]

Wait, but. But you and Gracie did. That's so true. Together.

[Audrey Hobert]

Y. This.

[Jake]

And would. Is that the one that. I mean, you guys. But you guys, like, really, like, publicly collaborated on that one? Was that, like, when you're, like, collaboration really became public?

[Audrey Hobert]

No, I mean, she. The public aspect is her being so forthcoming and cool and generous about my involvement.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

And it's. It was just like, you know, blew me away every time because those songs that I. And that whole album. That entire album with her meant the world to me. Nothing had ever meant more in my entire life. Nothing I had written on my own. I mean, like, truly, it felt like my child, too. And it's. And it was her album, but it was like she always looked at me and was like, it's our album, and that's who she is. Didn't have to do that. And so she was always, like, bringing me along. Like, we did a genius lyrics video, and she was like, I want Audrey to be in it. And I was the first songwriter to have ever done a genius lyrics video, which is crazy because there are so many amazing songwriters, and it's like a. You know, so many songwriters, you know. You just don't know them. You just don't know them. I know Amy Allen, though.

[Jake]

She's epic.

[Audrey Hobert]

I know. I mean, I've never met her, but.

[Jake]

Right. Same. But she's epic.

[Audrey Hobert]

Back to you. Remember Back to you.

[Jake]

It's literally my favorite Selena song of all time.

[Audrey Hobert]

No, literally. And I remember being like, who? She did Back to you. She wrote Back to you.

[Jake]

That song, I think. Such a banger.

[Audrey Hobert]

I know. And I don't. I don't know if it's true, but I feel like I heard somewhere that that was, like, the first. First song she wrote. Having. After. After having signed a deal. But I could be wrong. So if I'm wrong, it's not.

[Jake]

Well, it was in 13 Reasons why.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes.

[Jake]

Which is the best show ever.

[Audrey Hobert]

I haven't seen it.

[Jake]

You know what? Like, it's. It's so specific.

[Audrey Hobert]

Why do people. Why are people so mean about it?

[Jake]

I. You know what? And I don't want to get in trouble. I don't know. Like, I watched it after I took my act. I'll never forget it.

[Audrey Hobert]

Oh, my gosh. I took the act as well.

[Jake]

Really?

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. Not a very good score, but I got a perfect score on the essay.

[Jake]

No way.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. Yeah. What did you get?

[Jake]

32.

[Audrey Hobert]

Whoa.

[Jake]

Well, I. Yeah, whoa.

[Audrey Hobert]

You're.

[Jake]

But by New York standards, that was so bad.

[Audrey Hobert]

Isn't the highest you can get a 36?

[Jake]

Yes, but everyone in New York, you'd be like, what'd you get? They'd be like, 34, 35.

[Audrey Hobert]

But 32. I mean, I think I. I think I got. I got in the 20s. In the 20s for sure.

[Jake]

That's, like, normal. That's like. That's, like normal. In New York, it was, like, so rabid. I remember I took my test at. In. I think it was at Fieldston, if you know where that is.

[Audrey Hobert]

I feel like.

[Jake]

I know it's, like, near. It's, like, in the Bronx. And I took. I took my act, went home. I was like, oh, my God. 13 reasons why I was out today. Watched the entire show in one day. I was like, so that was the best thing I've ever seen. Then I fell off of it. Then during COVID I watched all three remaining seasons. And I know you're wondering now, how could they make that show into four seasons?

[Audrey Hobert]

I had no. I thought it was one season.

[Jake]

Nope, it's four. And let me tell you, they did it.

[Audrey Hobert]

It's all good.

[Jake]

I mean, I was sobbing at the end.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay. Okay. Because I enjoy a shitty show. I enjoy a shitty movie.

[Jake]

Right?

[Audrey Hobert]

I like those after movies. The Harry Styles fan.

[Jake]

I can't.

[Audrey Hobert]

You can't?

[Jake]

I can't. I tried once and I was like, not. Not for me.

[Audrey Hobert]

Turns me on. It turns me on. It still does. Did you read the fan fiction when it came out?

[Jake]

No, but, like, my roommate Peyton, like, she always said, she's like, I'm a slut for a Netflix original. And, like, by that she means, like, a bad Netflix.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. Yeah. I think about, like, I don't know why this is coming to my head, but the woman who played Gretchen Wieners.

[Jake]

Yeah. What was she?

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay, so she's in a lot of Hallmark movies.

[Jake]

It was like a Christmas movie.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, but this isn't the one I'm talking about. She was in a movie called Christian Mingle, and it's about this. Questions about this woman who is so, like, has run all of the other dating apps dry. So she's like, what is left for me? But Christian Mingle. But she's like. So she pretends to be a Christian and is on Christian Mingle, and she meets this amazing Christian woman. Christian man. And by the end of the movie she converts.

[Jake]

That's the movie.

[Audrey Hobert]

Not to spoil it, but yeah, it's. Honestly, all you need to do is watch the trailer because the trailer is.

[Jake]

It's amazing and it's Netflix original.

[Audrey Hobert]

No, no, no. I think they probably made that movie for $800,000 on Hallmark. Yeah. No, it's not even Hallmark. I actually could not tell you what it is.

[Jake]

But to be.

[Audrey Hobert]

Probably. To be.

[Jake]

Yeah, probably.

[Audrey Hobert]

To me, that's what it is.

[Jake]

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[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

So you guys, as you know, I used book or matt used booking.com all of my tour because it is the easiest way to book trips. You put in exactly what you need in, like, a vacation rental or a hotel room. Like, for example, do you want a terrace? Do you want walkability? How many beds do you want? And it shows you the hotels or the rooms that are available and that have your requirements that you choose. And it just makes booking, honestly a group stay so much easier because everyone can have what they want. While I'm not on tour, Labor Day is coming up and I know a lot of people like to go on vacation for that. Booking.com just makes booking that vacation so much easier. You can book a car rental, you can book a vacation home. Like, anything to make your vacation full. Booking.com has, like, if you hate children, you can put in kid free. If you have a certain type of, like, sheets or mattress you like, you can put that in really and truly. Like, you can put anything in that you need on your vacation and they will find something for you. I always say this, but I used to wake up on tour and we'd be in a city and I'd have no idea where we're staying. But I knew that Matt would just book it on booking.com and we would have somewhere and there was no reason to worry. And I worry about everything. Find exactly what you're booking for at booking.combooking. yeah. Book today on the site or in the app. Do you watch Summer I Turn Pretty.

[Audrey Hobert]

I watched the first season Electric.

[Jake]

I've heard people are like, they go, love island hard for that.

[Audrey Hobert]

No. Yeah, Love island hard. Because that makes me think of an Instagram reel I saw recently, which is like, they were. There was a park viewing. Like, there are. People were at, like, a public park watching the Summer. I turned pretty on a huge screen and screaming. I'm like, is it really that? I guess it is.

[Jake]

Have you seen her ring? Not to spoil.

[Audrey Hobert]

I did see her ring. Isn't it, like, lame? It's lame, lame, lame.

[Jake]

It's literally like, it looks like someone picked up a piece of sand.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Stuck it on, like, a very thin. Did you see her ring? Very thin band.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay.

[Jake]

I was like, you know what? I need my phone. I need to show you this.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay.

[Jake]

Pull up the ring. It is the worst thing.

[Audrey Hobert]

You know what that reminds me, though? That reminds me of when Lady Gaga said to her husband, I'd marry you with a blade of grass.

[Jake]

Oh, it's fine. I don't. Best song.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jake]

Thank you, Manny. I love you.

[Audrey Hobert]

I no, but she said that to her husband. She said I'd. They were in a field, like, and also, I might be getting this wrong, but they were on a field, and she said he was like, you know, it's $142.

[Jake]

Yes. It is. The worst ring of all time.

[Audrey Hobert]

Isn't she a child bride?

[Jake]

Yes. I think she's in college.

[Audrey Hobert]

I give that child bride a rock. But, like, I'm team Conrad. Like, I don't know. I've seen season one, and I haven't seen.

[Jake]

Obviously, no one isn't. Who isn't Team Conrad?

[Audrey Hobert]

Oh, because team Jeremiah. No, like, no, that gorgeous actor.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

Team Conrad. I mean, that guy's just got something. There's a darkness in his eyes that I want to know.

[Jake]

Right. But also, like, Jeremiah, it's like, I don't even watch the show, and I know that. It's just like, it's like being team Jacob, it's like, obviously you're not gonna be team Jake. Obviously, you're not gonna be team Jay.

[Audrey Hobert]

Wasn't there a moment in one of those movies where you were like, wait, Jacob.

[Jake]

Yes. It was when Edward left, and she was, like, so depressed.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

It was that montage of her sitting in the room, and all the seasons were passing, and Jacob comes back and he's so hot, and you're like, wait, yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

But, you know, Jacob is perfect representation of how you don't actually want to be with the person who would die for you. Like, don't you think?

[Jake]

Damn.

[Audrey Hobert]

Well, because it's not hot.

[Jake]

Right. But Jacob, like, what would die for her? Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. And. But that's why they wouldn't. That's why she didn't want him. She wanted Edward Cullen, who could, like, kind of, like, live with or without for times for so long. Yeah.

[Jake]

Because he doesn't know what time is.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, he doesn't know what time is. That guy's like, 800.

[Jake]

It must be. Are you a vampire show person?

[Audrey Hobert]

No, I didn't watch the Diaries. I didn't.

[Jake]

Diaries are great.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Okay. That's what I hear. Like, I want the O.C. it's not vampire.

[Jake]

Never seen it.

[Audrey Hobert]

It's great. It's great.

[Jake]

I've heard. It's unbelievable. Okay. If you like a show like that. Have you ever. Do you watch, like, any Shondaland shows?

[Audrey Hobert]

What's. Oh, Shonda Land? I don't think. I don't think so.

[Jake]

Okay, well, I'm doing a scandal rewatch now.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay. That scandal was everything to everyone.

[Jake]

And you know what? As it should have been. I remember.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Like, I wish I had a Twitter at the time because, like, I remember Twitter just popping off during every episode.

[Audrey Hobert]

Shondaland is like, they don't call it Shondaland for nothing.

[Jake]

For nothing.

[Audrey Hobert]

Like, like, you don't have something that's like, this is my land. Unless you are the greatest of all time at what you do.

[Jake]

And she is.

[Audrey Hobert]

She is.

[Jake]

How to Get Away with Murder, Scandal. Like, were you a Grey's Anatomy person?

[Audrey Hobert]

No, I, I've not. I don't think I've seen a single show of hers.

[Jake]

What have you, what have you watched?

[Audrey Hobert]

What do I love? Like, Nathan Fielder?

[Jake]

Oh, I love Nathan Fielder.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Okay. Like, I like Nathan for you so much.

[Jake]

I need. You know, I've never, I've seen the rehearsal. I've never seen Nathan for you.

[Audrey Hobert]

Oh, my God.

[Jake]

What the. I know.

[Audrey Hobert]

Do you. Okay. People are like. So you either love Nathan for you or you can't watch.

[Jake]

I've seen Dumb Starbucks.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay.

[Jake]

Which I thought was awesome.

[Audrey Hobert]

It's the, it's very iconic. It's. It's iconic. But that whole show, it's like, he is the. My perfect kind of brilliant. And I saw him on the street once. Like, I couldn't speak. Like, I, I, I don't want to meet him.

[Jake]

Really. He's honestly kind of hot. Is that, like, an unpopular opinion?

[Audrey Hobert]

I actually, like, can't even speak on that. I actually can'. Like, I can't. I don't wanna.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

Cannot. But yeah.

[Jake]

Yeah, right. Did you watch the rehearsal?

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. I've seen everything he's ever done.

[Jake]

Okay. I. Lowkey cried at the first season.

[Audrey Hobert]

Really, really great. What'd you think of the second, though?

[Jake]

I, you know, I'm on the last episode. I still haven't finished it.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay.

[Jake]

Because everyone's like. And I'm like, well, there goes that.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. That sucks that people told you.

[Jake]

Well, it's because I woke up the next morning and everyone was like. And by the way.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, no, that was like the best, the best, best, best, best, best thing ever was then he, he revealed that he's been, like, working towards for a while. I was like, you're so cool. What am I gonna do? Like that?

[Jake]

So creative.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. So creative. So funny. I love. I like that show how to with John Wilson, which he executive produced. Have you seen that? No.

[Jake]

What's that about?

[Audrey Hobert]

You'd like it because it's New York. It's all about New York. It's like, basically he pitches it as, like, planet Earth. Something about Planet Earth. It's basically he shoots, like, bizarre things he sees on the street in New York and then strings it together and gives it a story and, like, finds himself in the houses of these random people. In one episode, he finds himself at the house of the guy who created the energy drinks. Bang. Yeah.

[Jake]

That's so random.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. And it was, like, this mansion in Florida, and he, like, finds himself at it. It's really fascinating. I like that show. Girls. Girls.

[Jake]

Girls is the best.

[Audrey Hobert]

Girls.

[Jake]

My favorite show of all time.

[Audrey Hobert]

Girls. My favorite show. Girls is the reason why I wanted to have rough sex, and so I wanted to move to New York.

[Jake]

Right. I want Adam.

[Audrey Hobert]

Adam was my sexual awakening.

[Jake]

Right. I feel like I've had a few sexual awakenings. Adam was definitely one of them. I was like, wait, am I supposed to think he's hot? And then everyone was like, yeah, you're supposed to think he's hot.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. And, oh, yeah. Like, I'm still looking for a woodworker.

[Jake]

Right?

[Audrey Hobert]

I'm still looking. I don't think I'll find him in Los Angeles.

[Jake]

I was watching an episode of Scandal last night, and the president was chopping wood. It's the point.

[Audrey Hobert]

In a hot way.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

The President, hot and Scandal.

[Jake]

Literally the way you feel about. Feel about Nathan Fielder. That's how I feel about the president. Yeah. He makes me sick. He's so hot. Like, he makes me sick. I wrote legitimate, like, fan fiction about him and text it in my group chat two nights ago.

[Audrey Hobert]

That's so funny. That's, like, the stuff I do with my cousins. Like, like, we, we are like you. That's so wonderful. You have people in your life like that that you're like, I need to, like, bust out this fan fiction real quick. Send it off.

[Jake]

Right. That's what I'm saying. I, I was right. They were like, give it more.

[Audrey Hobert]

Give me more.

[Jake]

And I was like, honestly, like, I felt so encouraged. I, I should wa. Pad.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay. But I have tried. Maybe you should. I mean, would you do under a pseudonym?

[Jake]

Of course.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay. I'd hope you'd tell.

[Jake]

I would tell you. I would tell.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay. Okay. Because I have written fanfiction as well, but I. Right up to the point where they're about to actually start having sex, and then I can't bring myself to write. Write it.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Audrey Hobert]

Can you, can you write it?

[Jake]

I wrote it. So, like, I literally wrote it.

[Audrey Hobert]

I, I, I can't. I like to write all of the lead up in the story, and then I'm like, I. It just. And then they had sex, right? Yeah.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

And then we had sex.

[Jake]

I think it was because my friends were, like, laughing, and I was like, oh. And I kept going because I was like. I knew it was headache.

[Audrey Hobert]

So. Was it funny, though?

[Jake]

It was hysterical because it was. We all send it to you, but.

[Audrey Hobert]

But it's. It's you.

[Jake]

It's literally me having sex with the President. Not the current one, but it's literally me having sex with Fitz.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. What do you have? I wonder if you've been asked this, and I flip. Forgive me if you have been, but would you. Can you describe your type?

[Jake]

I don't know. I love someone in their 30s. I think they just, like, kind of have it a little more figured out. I can. It's. I really like someone in their 30s. Tall. Ish. Brunette hair.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes.

[Jake]

Yeah. Like, that's what. That's my. What's your type?

[Audrey Hobert]

I would say always funny. Always funny. You have to crack me up. And what I've learned as. I've, like, dated a little bit, and I don't really date much, but you can be funny, but you have to be specifically my kind of funny. Like, I think what I've realized is I want to date the male version of myself.

[Jake]

Love that.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. But mostly confidence. It's like the. It's. I'm just learning about being with a confident person and what it feels like. It is like, breathing so easy and hot and awesome.

[Jake]

Does it make you feel more confident?

[Audrey Hobert]

Like, I couldn't be more confident, so.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

I. It's. It's hard to find, especially a guy I'm 26, who's around my age, who. You know, I've actually never dated older ever.

[Jake]

I feel like maybe that's healthy.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Well, like, I feel like there's, like.

[Jake]

A. I think my type is unhealthy.

[Audrey Hobert]

Really.

[Jake]

I think it's just a gay thing. Like, sometimes gay guys like to date older art.

[Audrey Hobert]

Are you getting older now?

[Jake]

Like, I'm talking to a few older people, but.

[Audrey Hobert]

Wow.

[Jake]

But, like, the person that I'm actually probably going to go on dates with is, like, my age.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay.

[Jake]

Which is like.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, but it's like.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

And I tried Raya. I gave it a whirl.

[Jake]

Raya is the worst.

[Audrey Hobert]

It's the pits. Because it's. It is exactly what the. You know, it's like, what's your job? What's your ig? What's your. What's your six photos? And that's all, like, hinges, you know? Can you be funny? Can you Be interesting. What's something about you? Like, Raya, I couldn't last on, but I did enjoy seeing like, semi famous people.

[Jake]

It is cool.

[Audrey Hobert]

But also it's mostly guys in real.

[Jake]

Estate or always, you know, or they're like. And they live in like, Ireland.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, and they live in Ireland. And I'm like, okay, what? So I'm just going to talk to you.

[Jake]

My thing with like Hinge, though. Do you ever get nervous now that you're becoming like more known and you're about to release your album that like, you can't go on apps like that anymore?

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, yeah. I. I was watching Love on the Spectrum and it made me get back on Hinge like months ago. And I kind of thought to myself, not like I'm a blow up or anything, but I was just like, I think this may be the last time I can get on something like this. And of course, like my experience just the last time I was on it, like months ago was I'd see one person who I adjacently knew and I would pause my profile. I was just so spooked.

[Jake]

Really.

[Audrey Hobert]

Do you not get embarrassed about that?

[Jake]

I just like, xml, wow. If I, like adjacently know them, I was like, no.

[Audrey Hobert]

If I see someone who I kind of know, I'm like, I have to remove myself from this app.

[Jake]

My thing is like, I was so nervous about like being on Hinge and stuff after, like, like, as the podcast grew more successful. And then I was like, but, you know, I saw Troy Savant say something. He's like, if somebody comes out and says they had sex with me, like, I don't really care, so be it. Like, so be it. Like, I have needs just like anybody else does.

[Audrey Hobert]

Wow.

[Jake]

Him saying that. I was like, you are so right.

[Audrey Hobert]

Well, and it's also like, who, however many people know, I mean, obviously you want to be safe, but however many people know you. We have this one life, right? I am. That's. I. Something I've thought about a lot actually is like, wanting to remain as true to myself as possible in the face of whatever is supposed to happen to me. Like, I always go to CVS and I always look bad and I don't want to have to worry about wanting to be more presentable just, just in life in general. Do you have that?

[Jake]

Like, no. Yeah, I was like, notoriously, like throughout my entire life. Like when I used to like upload like videos to YouTube as like 10 years old. Like, my mom would be like, you should probably brush your hair. Like, you know what I mean?

[Audrey Hobert]

Like, yeah, you've always been that person.

[Jake]

Yeah, yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

But like, do you, do you feel inhibited by being public facing? Like if you go out to a restaurant, are you like kind of like keeping an eye out who's seeing me or are you just like existing out there?

[Jake]

Yes, because I like it. Yeah. Like I love it because I'm so insecure. That like, that type of attention makes me feel so validated.

[Audrey Hobert]

Oh, wow, that's like you, you can't be that insecure if you just said that.

[Jake]

No, I'm. But I'm very insecure. I'm just like super honest and like I. But like that type of attention makes me feel so validated and it's like that. Okay, so that type of attention, like, like kind of feels like, like a, like a push up bra for your mind. You're kind of like, oh, like, yeah, yeah. Like I have this.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes.

[Jake]

So like I can. Yeah, like, yeah, I can be like hot and sexy. Whereas if. But, or on the flip side, sometimes I can be like, are they making fun of me?

[Audrey Hobert]

Wow, that is. But do you smoke weed?

[Jake]

I used to. Every religiously. Every day.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay.

[Jake]

I stopped.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. And. And it probably helps to not be high ever in that situation.

[Jake]

Oh, well, when I was high in public. But like I'd be with my best friends, we would just.

[Audrey Hobert]

Having the best time.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

Having the best time. Yeah. I haven't smoked weed in a while now too.

[Jake]

It's. Once you get to like 25, 26, you just kind of cut it.

[Audrey Hobert]

You. And also I like to be high in a good place. It's like there is nothing quite like it. But I am a happier person when I'm not doing it.

[Jake]

Everyone around me is like, you are a different person. You're much less neurotic. Which is like, I still am neurotic, but like a much less. And I feel, I think it changed my life. Like I wake up easier.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes.

[Jake]

But I miss it. Every single day of my life.

[Audrey Hobert]

I miss it very, very, very much. But it's, it's a good time for me to not be doing. I just am far too busy. And the kind of like work that I'm doing now is like, be the best version of yourself to the people who work with you.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

And to those who you don't know. And I'm like, yeah, I don't, I don't need to be stoned for that. But when I am being creative, I'd like to dabble.

[Jake]

It helps me be creative. Yes, Yes, I do feel a bit Creatively stuck these days. And I'm like. And I. I smoked, like, I broke my streak the other day, like, just for, like, this. Really. I, like, hit, like, two hits of, like, a joint.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And I was so back to back. Like, I was being so on it and so funny with my friends. And I was like, oh, wait, this is why. But then an hour later, I was like. And then the day after, I was like, I don't feel good.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. You know, it's like. And they say it stays in your system for a while.

[Jake]

Yeah. And I was so anxious.

[Audrey Hobert]

And I think that's the thing that I feel. But it is like, oh, gosh, I feel so funny. I feel so funny. And I feel so. Like. Actually, I mean, I. I will. If I have ideas for, like, a music video for a song or whatever, if I'm stoned, I'll, like, write them down. And in my head, when I'm writing them down, I'll be like, I'll probably read this and think, this is dumb. And then I read it back, and I'm like, no.

[Jake]

Sometimes it hits.

[Audrey Hobert]

I'm like, whoa, Maybe. But then you think about someone like Snoop Dogg.

[Jake]

Right?

[Audrey Hobert]

And it's like, sometimes I wonder, is he actually high all the time?

[Jake]

Yeah, I think he is.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. And I'm like, but he seems like he's such a mogul.

[Jake]

Because, like, I think when you smoke that much, like, you just know how to operate on.

[Audrey Hobert]

You just know how to operate. But, like, if you were to go on Jimmy Fallon tomorrow as a couch guest, but you could only do it stoned, would you turn down the opportunity?

[Jake]

No, I would do it.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

But I would, like, have to be, like, by the way, I'm high.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. And that would probably make everyone giggle.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

And, like, love you.

[Jake]

Like, I'd have to be like, I'm tweaking.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. I think that is, like, what is so wonderful about you is. Is you're honestly, like, just sitting here talking with you. Like, your honesty. You just say what comes to your head. Like, I wonder. Obviously, there's always a filter. Like, but I. I just. You're. I like talking to you.

[Jake]

I really like talking to you. This is one of the most, like, natural flowing conversations I've had.

[Audrey Hobert]

Well, I feel like we have a lot in common.

[Jake]

Yeah, we do.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I love talking to you.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. I'm your friend.

[Jake]

I would love to be your friend.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. I mean, because you probably meet a lot of people for the first time.

[Jake]

Doing this all the time. This is how I, like, sometimes this is how I make friends.

[Audrey Hobert]

Make friends. I can imagine. But have you ever, like, thought, let's get a coffee and then let's do therapist.

[Jake]

Yes. So I was supposed to go on go to dinner with Tucker, role model, the night before our first therapist thing, and I was like, I couldn't make it for some reason, and that was the only time I was ever supposed to do that. And I canceled on him. And. And I think to this day that if I went and saw him the night before, like, it wouldn't have been.

[Audrey Hobert]

Good, because that episode is. There is something in that episode that is deep magic.

[Jake]

It's my favorite episode.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. It is unbelievable.

[Jake]

Being in the room when it happened was so electric. Like, I was just like, wait, Because.

[Audrey Hobert]

Well, just Kim.

[Jake]

Well, because also, like, when we were texting the day before, he was, like, so excited.

[Audrey Hobert]

I can't wait.

[Jake]

And then he came and was like, like. And I was like, what?

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, but when. When. When you guys called Cut, was it like.

[Jake]

Like, it was like, no. So we called cut, and we looked at each other, and I thought. I said to my best friend Julia, I was like, I can't tell if people are gonna really like that or really, really hate it.

[Audrey Hobert]

I mean, but.

[Jake]

Whoa, it was so good.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. He's a smart. He's a smart dude.

[Jake]

Funny.

[Audrey Hobert]

He, like, actively makes me laugh on his Instagram stories all the time, and I, like, start following him maybe, like, a month or two ago, and it, like, I don't know why, because I've got nothing for love. Nothing but love for that guy. But, like, when I click on his Instagram stories and it makes me laugh, I'm like. And then I'm like. Like, it's like. It's like. It's not competitive, but I am like, why don't you just make me? Lol, dude? Like, you know, I've only met you a handful of times. Like, it's not even, like. It's like.

[Jake]

Right. And that's the best. Laughing alone at your phone, though.

[Audrey Hobert]

You make me laugh so hard. Me. The way you use Instagram is incredibly inspiring. Thank you. Also, I find it interesting. I don't know if maybe you feel differently, but I feel like no one else has tried to copy you.

[Jake]

I don't think people use it, like, well, because I, like, literally use it as, like, a stream of consciousness.

[Audrey Hobert]

No, I know, but I like that it's grid. I like that you're clearly. Are you taking a photo on your camera?

[Jake]

No, on Instagram.

[Audrey Hobert]

And that's the magic.

[Jake]

Well, Because. And this goes back to, like, the attention thing. Like, it's just like, I am so addicted to social media. So it's like. And also, like, after people always used to tell me, you should try to grow on Instagram, to try to go on Instagram. And I'm like, I'm. It's so unnatural for me to, like, go take photos outside and post them. So I was like, the only thing I'm gonna post is just how I'm feeling.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes.

[Jake]

And I think that's, like, how people are gonna. And people really resonated with it.

[Audrey Hobert]

Oh, my God. And it's. It was just like. Yeah. It feels like friends. It really feels like friends, which I think is actually a harder thing to do than people think. And I'm sure you have a special relationship with the people who, like.

[Jake]

I do.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Like, because, like, when. When I actually realized it once I was doing the, like, meets for my shows, like, I was like, every person I'm meeting is so similar to me. I was like, oh. Like, I'd be friends with this person in real life.

[Audrey Hobert]

And that's like, I think what's so cool about what you do. Because of course it's that way. Because people who are tuning in love you. It's like, yeah, it's about the. It's. You know, you might have a cool guest on, but it's because people want to listen to you talk to them. It's not. I feel like, really? Because they want to listen to that person talk all the time.

[Jake]

No. But on the flip side, there are people that tune in for the other person, and those people don't always want to be your friend. So then, because the show's format is kind of like that, like, they can get super angry.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Like, I can't imagine. Also the. When you probably, like, started being like, oh, my God, like, Charlie XCX is coming on.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

Holy Lord. It's like, Lord was crazy. Yeah.

[Jake]

Like, what?

[Audrey Hobert]

I mean, I was so excited for you.

[Jake]

It was the best day of my life.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

She came inside the house after and sat on the couch with us.

[Audrey Hobert]

She. She is the coolest. I've met her a few times, and she is so cool.

[Jake]

She's so cool. She came alone. She literally pulled up in an Uber alone.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Yeah. Therapist Amela. Yeah.

[Jake]

I was like, like, what's happening?

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Yeah. No, she. Yeah. But I imagine for you, like, the bigger the guest, the more random the.

[Jake]

Well, people just, like, online can be, like. Because people are so. Because I feel like podcasting is Weird. Where it's like, people will only go on a few. So it's like the one that they choose to go on. People will have a lot to. To say about that. And I'll be like, oh, like, why that one? Yeah, that's the pushback, I guess.

[Audrey Hobert]

That's so annoying.

[Jake]

Yeah. But I just try not to read. Should we get into the. Tell me what's wrong.

[Audrey Hobert]

Let's do it. Jake.

[Jake]

It's always incest. My cousin just confessed feelings for me. Obviously, I don't feel the same, but genuinely, what do I do in this situation? I'm freaking out. I still haven't told anyone, and I don't know if I should help.

[Audrey Hobert]

This is a hard one.

[Jake]

And you know what? That's not the first cousin one I've gotten.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. You know what it's like, look at where we live.

[Jake]

Right. You just have to say, I think, like, it's illegal.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. I think I. I would say. Yeah, I would. I don't know if I'd tell someone. No, I keep it between you two.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

I would go, I don't feel the same. I'm really flattered. I'm really flat. I would. Honestly, I would kind of, like, take the cousin element out. I would go, I'm really flattered that you feel that way. I don't feel the same. I are. Familial relationship is really important to me. Right. And I hope that, you know, this dissipates from you and let's be friends.

[Jake]

Right. Like, maybe you're just lonely.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would maybe have someone, like, lined up, like, I think you should see this person, or like, oh, my friend, you know?

[Jake]

Right. And then if it continues on, you can tell your parents, like, hey, like, cousin, whatever. Like, it's like, hitting on me.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. If it. If it. If they make an advance, if it escalates, I would then involve a parent. But I think just. Just, you know, don't make them feel crazy, but know in your head that it's crazy.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

And. But just treat it really, really diplomatically.

[Jake]

Right?

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I'm in a happy and healthy relationship, and I find myself getting mad at the smallest things possible. It's almost as if it's a trauma response from my last relationship from being super emotionally abusive. I feel so bad because I know he doesn't do things with bad intent, but I take it and I freak out simply because of my past relationship. What should I do?

[Audrey Hobert]

I think you're probably right about the past emotional abuse being a factor, but Also, you might not like the person you're with if they do small things. Small? Well, small. I mean, maybe. How long have they been together? I don't know. It's like, I feel like when you're with someone for a long time, they can do something really small. But to me, not getting really, really irked at small things means you probably aren't super into them anymore. But also, there is the past emotional abuse. I would. I would. Yeah, I would maybe be alone. I would just break up with everyone.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

Honestly, that's what I do.

[Jake]

And just, like, see how you are alone.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. And see how you are alone.

[Jake]

Hi, Jake and special guest.

[Audrey Hobert]

Hi.

[Jake]

So I hate my best friend's boyfriend. And I mean, hate. He is so bad for her, and it just makes horrible comments. And this, that, and the third, but she doesn't see it. And he is trying to push me away. So I don't convince her not to be with him. I literally got into a screaming match with him and she chose his side. I don't know what to do because I love her, but I feel like this is a very toxic relationship and it's making our relationship toxic too.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay, this is. This is. This is apartment I. I have a song on my album about not liking your friend's boyfriend. So listen to the song. Maybe you'll feel seen. Then I would also. I think it's two things. I think in the situation you need to. Actually, I think it's. They're the same thing. Let your friend be in this. And also, I would say I'm not going to be your friend for a little bit.

[Jake]

Right?

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. I have done this before. I've been in the situation. And what I did was just say, hey, listen, what I did was say, I can be your friend, but we can't talk about him and I don't want to see him. And naturally, what that does is split you apart. But if he sucks like he seems like he does, they're gonna break up and she will come crawling back to you, and hopefully if the friendship is meaningful, you will love her still. But it's like when you have to just let. Let. Let them.

[Jake]

Let them.

[Audrey Hobert]

You have to just let them.

[Jake]

You have to let them. What song is that? Is that don't get back with you?

[Audrey Hobert]

Don't go back to his ass.

[Jake]

Yeah, don't go back to his ass.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

So we prescribe. Don't go back to his ass.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. I mean, you prescribe. Yeah, we do, we do, we do. I don't want to seem Like, I'm tooting my own horn. But, yeah, listen to that song, Toot.

[Jake]

I. Oh, I want to be a singer so badly, and I know that it's what I'm meant to do. I just can't seem to put myself out there, as I have massive stage fright. All I want to do is share my music with the world, but I'm literally my own barrier. What do I do?

[Audrey Hobert]

Oh.

[Jake]

Do you get stage fright ever?

[Audrey Hobert]

I. I haven't been on stage much, but I don't have stage fright. I would say, first of all, be proud of what you've made. Wanting to be a singer, I think, is one thing. Wanting to write songs is another. I think if you've written songs that you're proud of, know that no one will ever hear them unless you put yourself out there.

[Jake]

Right?

[Audrey Hobert]

And I think the. The thing I think about is, like, being maybe still in high school or, like, having an Instagram following. That's mostly people who know you and then wanting to switch to, like, creator or switch to, like, public figure. And how that must be weird and daunting and embarrassing, because it is. But if you want to do something, no one's going to come knocking at your door. You should come do this. You, obviously, it's like the. One of the first rules of life. I feel like you just got to do it right. If you're dead serious, just do it right.

[Jake]

And, like, I was talking to Megan Maroney like, I was in Nashville. I've been listening to her on fucking repeat all day. Yeah, he has blue eyes. He's got blue eyes he opens the.

[Audrey Hobert]

Door and he don't make me cry.

[Jake]

From where we're from buddy feels like home yeah he's got me doing things.

[Audrey Hobert]

That I've never done In Georgia they call it a sin But I'm wearing Tennessee orange for him.

[Jake]

Love her.

[Audrey Hobert]

Love her.

[Jake]

But she used to post singing videos, like, in college, and she was like, so I was in a sorority house, and these girls were nasty to me. Now she was like, they were nasty, nasty, nasty, nasty. And now they are the same girls who come back and text her and be like, congratulations. Like, you are killing it Go. Yeah, just how it goes.

[Audrey Hobert]

It's how it go. Do you be you post online still Go outside and be you outside as well, but post online.

[Jake]

I graduated college a couple of months ago, and my social studies teacher asked me to go to dinner with him. Literally my dream date. Tbh. He's really hot and only, like, eight years older than me, but I just feel like, it's so weird to tell me, so. So tell me what to do. Okay. It's from Molly. Molly, I'm not gonna tell you to go see your old teacher. If it was me. Yeah, yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

Eat it up.

[Jake]

If you graduated college and my old college professor who was hot, was like, let's go on a date. Done and done.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. You know what? If you're into it.

[Jake]

Also, you're 22.

[Audrey Hobert]

Also, you're 22. He's 20. He's eight years older, so he's 30. Girl, go get that dinner.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay, well, if she's calling in, being like, what do I do? Like, you're probably not into it, so don't go right now.

[Jake]

If you're into it.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Yeah. If you were into it, you wouldn't have called in, right? Yeah. You wouldn't.

[Jake]

Yeah. You. Like, there's a difference between just wanting a story and actually being into it.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. I think. Don't go because you called in. Yeah, but if you're just wanting, like, to be on therapists, go.

[Jake]

Yeah, yeah, I. It's my dream date. Like, I.

[Audrey Hobert]

Social studies, specifically, like, just any teacher.

[Jake]

If I had a hot teacher, like, my dream. Oh, my God. And to be in class and be.

[Audrey Hobert]

Like, Pretty Little Liars. Ezra.

[Jake]

Yes. I'd just be in class and be like, hi. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? Like, hi. And then he's like, hi.

[Audrey Hobert]

Did you see the movie Palo Alto?

[Jake]

No. I need to.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay. Okay. But if I'm not gonna say anything.

[Jake]

Yeah, I thought I was flirting with this guy, but my friend said I came across like I was verbally attacking him. He's now ghosting me. How do I flirt without scaring people off?

[Audrey Hobert]

I kind of am the same way.

[Jake]

Same. I'm the worst flirt in America. There's no.

[Audrey Hobert]

There's. There's no way you're.

[Jake]

Trust me. I'm really good at flirting over text. In person, I'm like, oh, it's just.

[Audrey Hobert]

Horrible, but people must be in love with you.

[Jake]

But, yeah, no, it's. If you. It is so painful to watch me flirt.

[Audrey Hobert]

I feel the same way, but actually, recently, I've been like, no, I'm good. I'm good. And it's just confidence. It's all it is. I think just. I am also someone who doesn't like for the person I like to know that I like them. Ever. Yeah. Ever. I've all. It's always been my dirtiest secret if I have a crush on you, but. Yeah, you again. You got this one life like, just say what you actually want to say. And if what you want to say is, I want to be with you, then, like, find a different way. I don't know. That's a hard one. I don't feel.

[Jake]

I have, like, a few lines that I've heard recently that are good. You just go up to someone and say, like, are you single?

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Great one.

[Audrey Hobert]

Flat out.

[Jake]

I was taught that one the other day. Do you hate that one? Is it really a line?

[Audrey Hobert]

It's a question. It's a question.

[Jake]

So what worked for Manny? It worked for you?

[Audrey Hobert]

Worked for Manny.

[Jake]

It did. She wanted someone the other day. I said, are you single? Worked.

[Audrey Hobert]

I mean, that's inspiring, right? Yeah. I want to do that.

[Jake]

Inspiring one day. I'm the responsible one in the group. So every time literally anything happens, it's on me to give advice, fix it, be there for someone when literally no one is ever there for me because I never need them to be. It's isolating. Should I talk with my friends or get new ones? Friends?

[Audrey Hobert]

Those aren't your friends.

[Jake]

Tell me more.

[Audrey Hobert]

Those aren't your friends. If you are always the ear and never the mouth. And they loved to have you listen and you never get to share. I don't know if your friends care about you.

[Jake]

Right. But yeah, because she's saying, I never need them to me. But like, have they asked?

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, exactly. Right, Exactly. I would say talk to them first of all. Definitely talk to them.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

Talk to them. But also kind of maybe look in the mirror. Go. I think I deserve better.

[Jake]

Right.

[Audrey Hobert]

And you might be really good at giving advice, which is a blessing and a curse in this life. But no, I don't. I don't think those are your true great friends.

[Jake]

Getting new friends is the worst. But it. Sometimes it is so necessary.

[Audrey Hobert]

It is. It was the hardest part of going to college for me.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

I could not believe that I had to re establish myself.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

I was like, I've spent 18 years building this incredible, like, you know, not Persona, but just, like, reputation. Everybody likes me, knows me, knows what I'm worth. And here I am in New York City and no one knows how great I am.

[Jake]

Right. And I. Weirdest.

[Audrey Hobert]

I had a really hard time making friends freshman year.

[Jake]

It is. It's been so easy. But you are. Feel. I feel like you were someone that is so easy to be friends with.

[Audrey Hobert]

Oh, well, thank you. Well, yeah. And that's why I was so like, guys. Yeah. I was like, guys, I'm great. I'm great. I'm here yes, exactly.

[Jake]

Did you like going to college in New York?

[Audrey Hobert]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jake]

I loved.

[Audrey Hobert]

I loved. I loved nyu. I loved college.

[Jake]

Well, so before I let you go, what are you listening to right now?

[Audrey Hobert]

What am I listening to besides your own stuff? I really do listen to my own stuff. I have stopped. Kind of like when I was making it, I was ripping that day and night. Like, I've probably heard sue me 1,700 times.

[Jake]

It doesn't get old.

[Audrey Hobert]

It don't.

[Jake]

It doesn't get.

[Audrey Hobert]

Sometimes it'll come on sometimes. And I'm like, this is my song.

[Jake]

Dare I say instant classic?

[Audrey Hobert]

Oh, stop.

[Jake]

Really? I heard that and I was like, yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

Oh, thank you.

[Jake]

That's it.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Yeah. So I listen to my own stuff. I listen to. I don't know. I have a hard time. I don't honestly listen to a lot of music. I listen to the radio a lot because I don't like to be choosing but old Selena Gomez right now.

[Jake]

What? Me too. Really? Yes. Who says? It's been on repeat.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay. Who says?

[Jake]

My karaoke song also, like, level. Remember?

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. Okay. I don't know that song, actually.

[Jake]

Oh, my God.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay. I've been listening to Come and Get It.

[Jake]

Best one ever.

[Audrey Hobert]

Best. I've been listening to off of Revival. Do you know that song Nobody? No. Bad. It's so good. I've been listening to look at Her Now.

[Jake]

Oh, Great one.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

That production is like single Soon's also underrated banger.

[Audrey Hobert]

That's insane.

[Jake]

Back to you.

[Audrey Hobert]

That's insane. You think Singleton is good?

[Jake]

I do. I think it's so good. I love the Wolves.

[Audrey Hobert]

I love Wolves. I love Back to you.

[Jake]

I love It Ain't Me with Kygo.

[Audrey Hobert]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jake]

Banger.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes. I so much. I've been listening. Honestly, I had, like, a spiritual experience the other day listening to her on my walk. I was just like. Like, right. People make beautiful, great pop, and I want to do that.

[Jake]

Right? You do do that.

[Audrey Hobert]

I mean, I do.

[Jake]

I.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes, but. But like, just kind of like run of the mill. So digestible. I want to try that. I want to stab at that.

[Jake]

She is like. You, like, forget sometimes you're like, oh, no, she did that.

[Audrey Hobert]

No, no.

[Jake]

Like, she was that. She is that and did that.

[Audrey Hobert]

I love that recent project.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Audrey Hobert]

Benny.

[Jake]

So good.

[Audrey Hobert]

I love that song Boulevard makes me laugh out loud.

[Jake]

So good.

[Audrey Hobert]

I think it's brilliant. And I think if you don't understand it, lighten up.

[Jake]

It's just a banger, too.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yes.

[Jake]

It's a banger. Well, Audrey, what did we learn today?

[Audrey Hobert]

I learned that I really like you. I learned that I can totally do a podcast, and I learned that it does. It does get hot in here.

[Jake]

I told you it's gonna get hot in here.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

We need to figure out a way around.

[Audrey Hobert]

I feel like the audience would love to know that this room is small.

[Jake]

Yeah, it is. It's a small.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah, because when I watch, when I tune in, I'm like, the people you're speaking to are all the way back, and they're in director's chairs.

[Jake]

No, they're right there in dining room living room chairs.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah. Yeah. But this is a beautiful space, and you make it very wonderful. And you. And I understand exactly why you've had all the success you've had.

[Jake]

Audrey.

[Audrey Hobert]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I have had genuinely so much fun with you.

[Audrey Hobert]

Oh, I've had so much fun.

[Jake]

And I want to text after this.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay.

[Jake]

Send you what I told you I was gonna send you.

[Audrey Hobert]

Please, please, please do something to wash on the car.

[Jake]

Okay, well.

[Audrey Hobert]

Okay.

[Jake]

Thank you for coming on. Well, do you want to give a little bye the broken.