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This episode is brought to you by Lifelock. When you visit the doctor, you probably hand over your insurance, your ID and contact details. It's just one of the many places that has your personal info, and if any of them accidentally expose it, you could be at risk for identity theft. Lifelock monitors millions of data points a second. If you become a victim, they'll fix it, guaranteed, or your money back. Save up to 40% your first year@lifelock.com podcast terms apply. Surprise, pussies. Happy Friday. Today we have on one of my inspirations, Honestly, Julia Fox. She is actually the reason I am sitting here talking to you guys right now. If you don't know, a few years ago, Julia Fox was, like, replying to comments and, like, acting out what people asked her to do. And I was like, oh, that's so funny. I'm gonna do that. And that changed everything for me. And that is why I have this podcast. That's why I'm doing what I do. That's why I'm able to talk to you guys. And I essentially owe it all to her. And she acts, she models, she's a personality, she's an author. She literally does everything. To be able to talk to someone who's lived such an insanely interesting life is just so awesome. I got to hear a about everything it made me. I hadn't yet read her book, and I recently just bought it because of this. It's called down the Drain. Louise says it's her favorite book of all time. It is, like, actually incredible. I'm about to start it. I'm so excited. She also stars in the new movie Him. So that's today. It's actually out today. I saw a little bit of her in it. She's unbelievable, and I just love her. To submit a Tell me what's wrong, go to passthatpost.com, click tell me what's wrong and leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy. Okay. Enjoy the episode. Love you. Hi, welcome back to Therapist. Tonight we have on author, actress, fashion icon, it girl, always Julia Fox.
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Oh, I love that intro. Thank you.
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I was thinking about it in the shower.
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I could tell.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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Welcome.
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Thank you for having me.
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Thanks for being here. I know you are. I don't know. So if you're. I've told you this before, but you are the reason why I have a show at all.
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You're joking, I swear.
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Because you used to do this thing where you would respond to people's comments and you would like act out whatever they told you to act out.
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Oh, my God, yes.
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And that's like, how I got my start because you did that. I was like, oh, that's so clever. I'm gonna do that now.
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Oh, my gosh. I know. I feel like I used to have so much fun on Tick Tock and now I'm like, I don't know. And like, my adhd, like, I just. When I, like, I lose interest. I'm like, done. I'm gone forever. And I'm like, trying to go back and it's just like, I don't know, like it's not like novel anymore or something.
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Like you think it, like, makes you anxious or you're just like bored.
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Like, just no desire.
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Right.
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You know, like, occasionally I'll like, do a little post. But, like, I don't know, I feel like I've just really been living like, IRL recently. Like, I went on a full three week vacation. Like, no one would even know. There is no photographic evidence of it. Like, Right. I'm just living.
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And do you like that?
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I don't know. I feel very, like Kourtney Kardashian coded. I'm like, I get what she was saying now. Like, I understand.
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I'm so addicted to my phone. I feel like I can never do that.
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More power to you. Like, I wish I could get back there, but I don't know. It's just, you know, you go through, like, phases and seasons in life and I feel like I'm in a season of just like, kind of like figuring out what is important to me and like, what is just for me and not for anyone else or like, you know what I mean?
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100. What do you feel like? Do you feel like being. Because you've been in the public eye. I feel like a lot longer than people, you know, like, just a varying degree. Right? Yeah. But it's like it keeps growing and growing and growing and growing and growing. At what point do you think you felt like, oh, wait, maybe I need to take.
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There was a moment I was like, oh, wait, I'm like, actually famous. Like, I didn't. I thought. I don't know, I just kind of thought it was like. Like it was just like a funny prank. Yeah. And then I was like, oh, it's real. You know, like, it's. It's hard to even like, show up authentically if everything you say is going to get, like, picked apart and stuff. And it's like at the end of the day, if you really try hard enough, you can have a problem with anything that someone says.
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Right.
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You know what I mean? So it's hard because I, you know, I am just very bl. Want and I just say what's on my mind and. And I really don't mean any harm, but unfortunately, there are people that'll just, like, find something wrong in what you said. And then it's like, then you're questioning yourself, like, oh, my God, wait, like, am I like, a bad person? And then. And then moving forward, you find yourself questioning everything you say because you're like, oh, wait, wait, wait, they could clip that and that could be bad. Or like, you know, so it just kind of takes the fun out of it entirely. And then you're like, okay, well, now you guys don't get to have me anymore.
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Right. Exactly. Do you feel like that changed entirely? Maybe with Tick Tock? I feel like that back in the day you could kind of not even back in the day, but like, five years ago, you could say whatever the you wanted.
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Yeah. Yeah. It felt like there was only like a certain, like, niche community on Tick Tock and.
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Right.
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You know, as all the. All social media landscape has changed, you know, like, I miss, like, the early days of Instagram. Like, that was where I shined.
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Like, right.
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Yes. Like, I was an og, like, ship poster and like, funny captions. Like, before other people were doing it, and. And now it's like, it just feels like a chore and a job and like a LinkedIn thing. You know what I mean? It just doesn't feel like fun anymore. And also it's like, who are all these people? Like, I'll be scrolling on my feed. I don't know any of you. And I miss just, like, being, you know, like, just in your little circle. And I also really, really miss the. The. What was the page called where you could see what other people were liking?
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Oh, the following page.
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Like, why did they get rid of that?
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That was electric.
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That was like. That caused me so much, like, unwellness, but also like, I needed to see all, like, every. You know, I mean, I'd be like, what is my boyfriend liking? Who is he? Like, it was just like, great.
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Did you ever catch one of your boyfriends?
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Yes.
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Really?
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Yes.
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No, like, you were like, blah, blah, blah, liked, blah, blah, blah. And you. Would you, like, send a screenshot and be like, I will. Like, what the fuck?
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I don't even know. Phone screenshotted back then. Did they?
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Yeah, they did.
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They did.
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Yeah.
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No, yeah, it definitely got, like, super turned up. For sure.
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You grew up in New York, Right? So did I. But you were raised in Italy until you were six, right?
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Yeah, but like, not really though. Like I was in America for a couple of years before that too as a toddler. But from like three to six I was like in Italy.
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Only sometimes I feel like Italian food is better in New York than it is in Italy.
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I completely disagree.
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I. I know and I think I'm wrong. I think I'm wrong.
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Yeah. It, I will say it's different. It's. It's just different. It's still really, really good. And there are some Italian restaurants where I would say it's like com, like comparable. But ultimately it's about the minerals in the soil of Italy. Italy sits on volcanic like ground. So it's full of minerals and nutrients and it's just like that flavor. You can't get that here in America. No way. Like we have farmed the out of our land. There are no minerals and nutrients left. You have to go back in the end and put them in, you know, right before you send out. Like, it's just not giving that. And I can, I can taste that. Like I can taste the difference between an Italian tomato.
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American for sure.
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The mozzarel, like can't even. I mean the pizza just like. No, because the, the grain is different. Gelato.
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Oh yeah.
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Not the same.
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Maybe I take back myself. Yeah. Because I hated tomatoes until I went to Italy.
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Yeah. But what I will say is that Italy does not have the most booming restaurant culture. Like when I write, whenever I go out to eat at a restaurant, Italy, like 50 of the time, I'm left a little bit like. But that's because we have a really big Eating at home, at people's houses culture.
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Understood.
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And that is where the bangers are.
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Got it.
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So the, the restaurants are very much for more tour. Like there will be more tourists at a restaurant than there are actual Italian people. Because Italian people at 6, 5pm they are at home. They are getting ready to eat with their families, like, like 99.9 of them.
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So that is definitely it. Because I've never had like an actual home cooked Italian meal in Italy.
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See? Yeah, like that. And I'm telling you, like I, the, all the aunties in Italy, like they would just come out with these creations and it was like, like really like Michelin star quality and just, you know, they didn't bat an eyelash. It was totally normal.
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Were you, were you from like the northern or southern?
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I'm from the north.
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Okay, got it. I've been to like in a northern area that's like Milan and stuff.
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Yes, the mountains. Venice is in the north and it's, you know, it's different. Like I personally prefer like the vibes of the south because they're more similar to like a New York vibe. But it is, you know, beautiful nonetheless. And you know, I, I feel very fortunate to have roots there. I feel like it is definitely one of the things that kept me like level headed, kept me grounded, is that I had that kind of like cultural tie. I knew right and wrong, you know, like all those things that were implemented in me as a child and something to, you know, just have it, have it as a reference.
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Do you feel like sometimes growing up in New York, like you can lose track of that?
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Yeah, 1,000%. Also because it's like Italy's very homogeneous, you know, like you, your neighbor, like you're all gonna be doing the same, you know, have the same value, same morals, you know. And York, it's really a free for all. Everyone's house has different rules. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's hard to like form an identity because you're being pulled in so many directions and then that kind of becomes your identity. So I feel like I'm just a very, like, I'm very mutable. Like I'm can adjust really quickly. I'm, you know, anywhere you put me, I can like find something in common with somebody. I've had that luxury and that privilege of being raised around so many cultures and really appreciating all of them. But you know, when I was in Italy, I didn't know any of that. Like, I didn't have Chinese food until like pretty late in life, you know, because I only wanted Italian food. And that's all I was raised around. So, you know, I'm, I'm very, I'm happy that I have both.
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Did you, did you enjoy growing up in New York?
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Yeah, I, I definitely enjoyed some things about it. Others, I don't know. Like now in hindsight I'm like, yeah, I enjoyed it, but while I was doing it, I hated it.
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Me too.
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I don't know.
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Me too. I was miserable.
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Miserable. I used to like Google like homes in Hawaii and like high schools in Hawaii because I would like, I was, I'm still like a huge like fantasizer. Like I will just daydream all day long and I would just like daydream about moving to Hawaii and like living on a horse farm. I don't even know if they have Horse farms there. I might have just like made that up and that, you know. Know, I. I just wanted to get out for some reason. I wanted to escape. I wanted to be. I had this calling to like, be in nature and kind of live a really simple life. And I still to this day do that. Like, I will fantasize, like, probably like once or twice a week. Like, no exaggeration, like, today's the day I'm gonna fire everyone. I'm gonna quit and I'm gonna like buy an airbnb in the middle of nowhere and like just have a little bed and breakfast. Have my farm animals, like make yogurt and. And just live that life.
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You owning a bed and breakfast would be sick, right? That would be like, kind of see.
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That in the cards for me also.
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Because, like, I feel like owners of bed and breakfast, like, interact with all the guests.
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Yes, exactly.
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Down and get. Totally talk with everyone.
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You would love this. I feel like for an additional $75, you can get my chickens, eggs and my goat's milk.
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You should maybe do it as like a bit and see how it fares.
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Right? That's the thing. I'm like, I bet. Because I do that, like, I really romanticize the hell out of things. And then I get there and I'm like, okay, right?
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Yeah.
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So I'd have to try it first.
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What is something you like, romanticized? Then you got there and you were like, never mind.
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Marriage, Men. Yeah, I don't know. I did like go to Louisiana and then like decide to. To live there. And I did like love that. And I had romanticized that in my head and I did end up like, no, but then there was definitely a point, like three months in where I was like, wait, wait, what the hell am I doing here?
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Wait, why did you live in Louisiana 2015-2016? Wow. I had no idea.
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Yeah, I lived on the bayou.
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It just. Cuz or.
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Yeah, pretty much. I just like, me and my bestie, rip, she passed away, but I like picked her up in the middle of the night and no, I literally called her. And I was like, I forgot what I said. But I was like, do you trust me? And she was like, no. And I was like, come on, do you trust me? And she was like, yeah. And I was like, okay, you have to come with me. And she was like, where? And I was like, don't ask questions. We're just going. And I picked her up in the middle of the night in like a broken down ass car that then eventually like just completely stopped working. In the middle of Tennessee on a rainy, stormy night. And I just took her with me on this adventure, and we ended up in Louisiana, and. And we had some friends there. We had these two friends there. And then we just, like, got a house and a car and, like, ended up staying there and, like, lived this weird. It was just, like, a weird side quest. And then eventually we both came to.
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And we're like, never mind.
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Yeah. Yeah. Like, okay, let's go home.
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That is, yeah, amazing. I, like, wish I had that. Say I could have that same attitude. How old were you at the time?
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25.
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Okay. That's how old I am now. And were you just in your era of. You're like, I'll do whatever, you know.
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For such a long time, I had so many responsibilities, and then there came a point where I'd kind of lost everything, and I was like, I'm free. You know, like, at first I was scared, and I was like, oh, my God, you know, like, how am I gonna support myself? And whatever. But then at the same time, I was like, wait, like, I can just go, you know? And I got this urge, and I just left. And then I ended up doing that for the next couple of years. Like, I would literally wake up and be like, okay, I'm leaving. And I. I always had cars because I'd find men to buy me cars all the time. I've gone through, like, 20 cars, and I would just go and travel all over America and. Because for a long time, I really was, you know, a European girl, and I lived thinking it was New York, Louisiana, and, like, sometimes Miami, and that was it. I didn't realize that this country is so vast and really, really beautiful. So many, like, national parks and. And like I said, I've always been really drawn to nature and wanting to feel just the simplicity of it and the, like, the. The solitude. But in a nice solitude, right? You know, especially when you grew up in New York, it's really claustrophobic beyond.
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And you don't even realize it at.
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The time, but the. The. The buildings are literally, like, closing in on you. Like, you never see a sunset because the buildings are always blocking it. And, you know, you're never really alone.
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Ever, you know, which is like, a blessing and a curse.
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Yes, exactly. Like, I feel like I. I feel very safe in New York, you know, that's.
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I never understood. I remember I used to live in the suburbs, and when I was moving to New York, everyone was like, oh, my. I'm so scared for you. And I was like, wait, And I was, like, 10. So I was like, wait, why? But then when I think about it, it's like I was taking the subway at, like, age 11, 12 alone, and, like, crazy. Like, I've had, like, weird encounters, but I was never, like, legitimately scared. One time this guy came up to me and was like, I'm going to kill you. And I was like, I was 12 or I was 13, and I was like, your pants. And I was just standing there, and he kept saying, I am going to kill you. I'm going to kill you. And I feel like anywhere else, I'd be alone on the street, and I'd be terrified that I would. But I was like, like.
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But did anyone else, like, say anything or step in? No. That's the thing about New York. Just, like, mind their own business.
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Where'd you go to high school in New York?
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I actually went to, like, six or seven different high schools, so I went to Washington Irving. Okay. Which was, like, you know, metal detectors and, like. Yeah. And then I went to. Then I moved to Italy.
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Right.
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And I went to two different schools there with the nuns. Then I came back and went to a Catholic school, a Catholic school in Midtown, but only for, like, two weeks because I wanted to wear pants. And they were like, no, you need to wear a skirt. And I was like, deuces. And then I went to a school called East Eastside Community High School. And then I graduated from City As.
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Okay.
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So it was, like, all the time. Like, I just didn't give a. I didn't care.
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You were never like, a school person?
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No, no, no, no, no. Not at all. Like, it was very. An oppressive environment for me. I dreaded it.
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Did you have any idea, like, what you wanted to do when you grew up, or.
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No.
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Yeah. You were just, like, it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like, you know what? It's like I was so just, like, surviving the day. Right? Like, I didn't even think about it. But weirdly, I kind of knew that I'd figure it out, you know? Like, I wasn't really that worried about the long term. I was more worried about the short term.
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That's, like, the New York mindset.
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Yeah, Right. Like, making it to tomorrow.
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Right.
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Was, like, way more of a, like, issue.
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Do you have, like, a favorite year that you spent in New York?
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I definitely, like, the, like, the early 2000s. Like, 2007, 2008. Two, six. Like, those years were so fun.
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What were they like?
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It was just, like, the clubs were really popping, and it was. You know, we had cell phones we had sidekicks, we had razors. But, like, we didn't really have social media. Like, we had MySpace, but you had to be at home to use it. And same with Facebook. So we were really just, you know, all the dopamine hits that people get online, we were getting them out in the street. Like, we just wanted to be out. We wanted to be talking to you. We wanted to. We wanted attention. You know, now we can get attention just by never leaving our bedroom and posting online. But back then, you really had to, like, go outside to make a name of yours, of yourself. And I did that. You know, like, everyone knew who I was in New York, even the police. Like, it was. Everyone knew Julia Fox. And then I'd be like, I don't know why there any. But I was, like, such an attention horn. I was always wiling out, and I was always, like, fighting or, like, just getting on top of a car, like, you know, just doing crazy stuff, like, all the time. So, you know, that girl was the best. Yeah, it was. And you didn't have that fear of, like, someone's gonna, like, you know, video me and.
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Right.
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And I'm gonna, like, you know, whatever. It's gonna follow me forever. Like, that was just not even a thing, a thought in the mind. So you just really felt like I could do anything right now.
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That's what I was about to ask. Like, do you think that killed party culture a little bit?
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Yeah, It's. It's definitely not the same. Like, I. I go to parties now, and I'm. It's also. It's just not as fun because everyone's coming up to me for a photo or, like, whatever. But, like, even when I do go incognito, it's just not really giving. You know what I mean? It's a lot of people, like, on their phones and, like, it's. You're not as present as. As. Like, we were. Like, we were very present, very in the moment, very. Just like, you know, who's here? Who's here?
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Like, right.
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You know, just like, whatever. Like, looking for the next, like, dopamine hit. Whereas now you just don't really need it.
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Or you can videotape you out and.
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Yeah.
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And you're always thinking about that. You must be right.
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Yeah. Well, I also have this thing where it's like, I feel like I have to be nice to everyone because then it'll be like, I am a Julia Fox, and she was a. And, you know, and it's like, ugh. So it's just like, Then I go out and, you know, and it's fine. It's nice. I mean, you know what? I had this thought today, and I was, like, thinking about Marilyn Monroe, and I was like, she was the most famous woman in the world, and she died alone in a bed, like, with pills and alcohol. And it's like, people act like you're famous. You're so lucky. But it's like, if the most famous woman in the world was, like, that miserable, is, like, fame really all that great? And I wish that people could think in a more, like, nuanced way where fame really. Yeah, it's great. It has a lot of very superficial perks, but ultimately, it does, like, isolate you from your peers, you know? Like, even if you see famous people out in the wild, it's like, head down, like, you know, and like, imagine if they just weren't famous. And it's like a person with their head down. Like, you know, you'd be like, oh, you know, poor thing.
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Right.
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You know what I'm saying? It's like you just feel, like, a little disconnected from the rest of everyone. And I feel like a lot of famous people are miserable, myself included.
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Do you think you were happier before fame? Like, no.
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No. That's the thing. It's like, I've always been depressed and miserable, so it's like, whatever. But I do sympathize with some others, for sure.
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Yeah.
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Because I was watching Love island beyond the Villa, and they're all like, I missed my life before. And I was. And I was like, I get that. Like, I can see why, you know?
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Yeah.
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I get that. Just, you're just living on a smaller scale and not really worried too much about people liking you or how you're being perceived. And it just feels like a much more authentic existence, you know, and more real. More made up of, like, real things like that. Things that actually have meaning, you know, your childhood friends, the love of your family, a career you're passionate about. You know, opposed to, like, doing Spawn Con and, like, going to, like, influencer parties, which is like, you know what I mean?
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So I feel like also, like, with the Love island people, like, they. I mean, they were taken to, like, another level last year that was like, the. Because USA wasn't big until last year.
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They had no idea. Like, they went on this show, like, it's fine. No one's gonna watch it.
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Yeah. And then everyone watched it. Do you watch Love Island?
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I do. Oh, yeah.
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What do you think of this season?
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It. I mean, it wasn't giving last Season, let me tell you. But it still gave something. But I just. I was missing a little bit the vibe. You know what it was giving? It was giving that the people this season saw the impact of last season and were like, I want that too. Opposed to, like, genuinely wanting to find love and connection and. And they think we're a little bit more aware of the cameras. It was giving a little more, like, polished prim. That's why Huda, I think, resonated so much. Even though she was so diabolical, at least she was real.
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She was real.
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For better or for worse, you know.
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A
We'Ve all crashed out like that.
- [24:20]
B
Yeah, of course.
- [24:21]
A
Like, are you kidding? Like, I've crashed out so bad.
- [24:24]
B
When?
- [24:25]
A
Like, literally the other night, like, I, like, over somebody. Yeah. She's like, I thought my friend was mad at me. And it's like, even then, you're just like. Like, why the. Are you mad? Like, you know, defensive and, like, do you take that without. You're without your phone and your cameras are on you, and you're like, without your kid, and you're, like, on low. Sleep on no sleep. Like.
- [24:46]
B
Yeah, I heard. Like, when I found out they weren't letting them sleep, I was like, what? Yeah, they don't let the Love island people sleep.
- [24:51]
A
What do you mean?
- [24:52]
B
Like, they'd be going to bed with the sun coming out and be, like, waking up, like, two hours later. Yeah, they all were talking about the not sleeping, and I was like, this is why they need to unionize, right? Like, SAG would never, never. They need to figure it out. Over there in the reality sector. This is like, it's. That's. Feels inhumane. These are real people.
- [25:14]
A
Weren't you for a second, didn't someone I saw. Wasn't there a rumor online that you were going to join Ronie?
- [25:19]
B
Yes, there was. And ultimately, I felt like I would ruin the show.
- [25:30]
A
Dude, I think you would have.
- [25:31]
B
No, no, you're wrong. No, you're wrong.
- [25:34]
A
Tell me why.
- [25:35]
B
Because Roni. Okay, so there's three formulas. There's the oh, my God, I wish I could be them. Oh, my God, thank God I'm not them. And, oh, my God, I'm them. And Roni is. I wish I could be them because they're rich and they're extravagant and they're out of touch, and they're also, oh, my God, thank God I'm not them. There's like, a mixture of both, and I just feel like the. Even though I loved all the girls on the. The reboot, it was a little too relatable, you know, Like, I want my crazy Sonias and Countess Luann.
- [26:10]
A
Yeah.
- [26:11]
B
My Jill Zarins, and just, like, I want that, and I'm not that. You know, like, it just. And. And also, it would ruin the show for me. I love watching the show, and I wouldn't want to watch myself on the show. That sounds whack. Like, you know, I want. I just. It's such. It's such a. Like, I love that show so much. Like, truly, like, grew up watching it. Like, I. I just. I'd rather preserve it, like, what it was, you know, And I would love if they could go back to the original formula, which worked really well. I've definitely slid in Andy's DMs, like, please get them back on.
- [26:48]
A
You know, he must know at this point that they're so wanted back.
- [26:51]
B
I. I mean, I. I told him. He read it, he left me on Red. He knows for sure, but I don't know if they're going to.
- [27:00]
A
I. I know. Did you, like, watch Roni in real time, living in New York?
- [27:04]
B
Yeah.
- [27:05]
A
Was it just like, this is the best thing of all time?
- [27:07]
B
Yeah. Like, it was. It was really like, oh, my God, I can't believe, like, you can't make this up. You know, it was better than any, like, any show ever. You know, all the, like, the. The. I mean, when Aviva took her leg off, like, it was just like, there's just so many of those moments. When Luann fell in the bush. Yeah. When Dorinda was like, I made, like, there's just so many great, like, one liner. One liners that came out of that show, like, just, like, amazing, iconic moments that are just, like, seared onto my brain. And, like, I just don't think that I could, like, give that. Like, nobody can give that.
- [27:44]
A
You. But you could give some thing, but.
- [27:48]
B
It wouldn't be that.
- [27:49]
A
Like, do you think you'd ever do reality?
- [27:51]
B
Maybe. Maybe. I. I don't know, but maybe.
- [27:55]
A
Yeah.
- [27:56]
B
Yeah.
- [27:56]
A
If you, like, woke up, like, exactly.
- [27:58]
B
Like, literally, if I woke up one day and I was like, all right, fine, like, I'll do it. But I, you know, I do, like, think reality tv, it can be a little toxic for the people that are on it, because it's not like a movie where there's, like, a differentiation. I am playing a character. I am not this person. And even then, actors get. When they play horrible people. But, you know, with. With reality, people forget that these aren't, like, just characters on a show. These are like, real people. And a lot of this is, you know, produced, and a lot of it is, like, made up. Like, you know what I mean? It's not, like, scripted, but there are suggestions, and there are, you know, like, they set up what's gonna happen, and then you kind of just, like, riff.
- [28:38]
A
Yeah.
- [28:39]
B
So, I mean, I just don't know if, like, that's really, like, the road I want to go down the hill I want to die on, rather.
- [28:47]
A
Yeah. Do you watch any other housewife shows?
- [28:50]
B
I love Beverly Hills. I. I used to love Atlanta. I haven't got, like. I don't know. After Nene left, I was just kind of like, okay, well, there goes that. But. But I'd up because they. They brought Phaedra back.
- [29:05]
A
I heard that.
- [29:05]
B
Yeah. I love Phaedra, so I would pick that back up again. Pomic's really good.
- [29:11]
A
You watch Salt Lake?
- [29:13]
B
Yes. That's the best one.
- [29:15]
A
That's the best one.
- [29:16]
B
It's the best one. I'm like, I can't believe I didn't say that one first. Obviously, that's the best one.
- [29:19]
A
Okay, thoughts on Bronwyn, babe, you like?
- [29:24]
B
I love. Like, I. I love. Because I think she's, like, a mastermind.
- [29:31]
A
Yeah.
- [29:32]
B
And I want to know what she was arrested for.
- [29:35]
A
Wait, she was arrested in San Francisco? When?
- [29:39]
B
Like, two years ago.
- [29:41]
A
Is that, like, on. Was that.
- [29:42]
B
It's on the Internet.
- [29:43]
A
It wasn't in last season?
- [29:44]
B
No, no, it came out after the season ended. They. They might speak about it this season. I don't think I feel bad even, like, mentioning it because, like, Bronwyn, you're my girl. I love you, But I need to know the tea. I was arrested, too, girl. It's fine. We're like. It happens to the best of us. Totally fine. But I, like, I just need the tea.
- [30:02]
A
Oh, I'm curious.
- [30:03]
B
Yeah.
- [30:04]
A
I.
- [30:04]
B
And also, what is it about Salt Lake that, like, attracts all these, like, criminal mastermind women?
- [30:09]
A
I don't know. But that, to me, is, like, such good television.
- [30:14]
B
Yeah.
- [30:14]
A
Like, I'm, like, sat.
- [30:16]
B
You know what else is really good? The Mormon Wives. Have you watched that?
- [30:20]
A
No. Because I'm so loyal to my Salt Lake girls.
- [30:24]
B
But it's like, I feel like there is a crossover there.
- [30:26]
A
Yeah. Like, I feel like I'm gonna be comparing everything to Salt Lake.
- [30:29]
B
It's different.
- [30:31]
A
Okay.
- [30:31]
B
It's very different. Like, these girls are Mormons, like, capital M. And, like, that is a big part of.
- [30:38]
A
Oh. Like, they're like.
- [30:39]
B
Yeah, yeah.
- [30:40]
A
They're, like, intense.
- [30:41]
B
Yeah.
- [30:42]
A
And they're like talking about people for breaking Mormon rules a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I'm into that.
- [30:47]
B
Yeah, they have that for sure. And. But the gag is they're all breaking them, right? Yeah, like they're wild.
- [30:54]
A
That's what I feel like.
- [30:55]
B
Like they're more wild than like me and my friends, you know, like, they're more wild than like in what way? Like, just like. Oh, but the thing is, they don't drink.
- [31:05]
A
What?
- [31:06]
B
Yeah, they don't drink, but, but they still crash out like all the time, which is kind of like weird. But yeah, I don't know, it's like you just have to watch it and let me know.
- [31:17]
A
Okay, maybe I'll, maybe I'll give it a. Because I'm re watching Scandal. Have you ever seen Scandal?
- [31:20]
B
No. I know, it's so good. I know it's good.
- [31:22]
A
No, no. From what I can understand about you, what I know about you is that you will fall head first into the show.
- [31:29]
B
Okay, do you want to know what show you should start watching? The Hunting Wives.
- [31:34]
A
Is it that good? Everyone's talking about it.
- [31:37]
B
It's so good.
- [31:38]
A
What is so good about it? Someone from Scandals in it.
- [31:41]
B
So basically it's, the premise is like a liberal woman from like Boston who used to do like political pr, had some sort of accident and had to leave. And then her husband got this job in Texas, so they all moved to Texas and it's her like acclimating to these very like Texan wives. And it's just, it's really just interesting the, the dichotomy between the two because she thinks like, I'm liberal and I'm empowered, but really her husband like puts her down all the time and he doesn't let her drive and he doesn't let her drink. And like, whereas these Republican women are like, they, they put up the facade that they're so amazing for of God fearing women, but really they're like getting drunk and doing body shots and like each other. But it's all behind closed doors and very hush hush. So it is very interesting. I love that. But I, I, I, you just have to watch it. I don't want to get. No, it is amazing. It is.
- [32:36]
A
You sold me. I've been told everyone's like, you have to watch it. Not sold. Not sold.
- [32:40]
B
That it's good and there's a murder.
- [32:42]
A
Oh, okay, that makes it good. But you need, if I watch, you need to watch Scandal.
- [32:45]
B
Okay, I will, I will. Because aren't there like nine freaking seasons.
- [32:49]
A
And you can like, but really the best season is season two. That's when it exploded, like, culturally.
- [32:54]
B
Okay. Okay.
- [32:54]
A
And you. You'll see why.
- [32:56]
B
Okay.
- [32:56]
A
What's your favorite show of all time?
- [32:58]
B
Desperate Housewives.
- [32:59]
A
Me too. My favorite. But I love that show.
- [33:01]
B
Yeah. It's such a good show.
- [33:02]
A
I love that.
- [33:03]
B
What's your other favorite show or like, your favorite?
- [33:06]
A
I love Desperate Housewives was the first show I ever watched in full and finished.
- [33:09]
B
Yes.
- [33:09]
A
So, like, I remember Susan's last lap around Wisteria Lane. Like, I remember right after.
- [33:15]
B
After he passed away.
- [33:17]
A
I forgot about that. I remember my favorite season, though was season two with the people in the basement. Do you remember that? Neighbor, the family, the people in the basement.
- [33:25]
B
Yeah. That was like. Like that could never be aired today ever. Like, this they were doing was so, like, it would never get approved today.
- [33:33]
A
It didn't remember.
- [33:34]
B
Although, I don't know, maybe it could now.
- [33:37]
A
Research done. Like, she remember she like, drove him somewhere and dropped him off.
- [33:40]
B
Yeah. She just like, ditched him on the side of the house. Like, you're not my son anymore.
- [33:42]
A
Yeah. Because then he like her boyfriend or something.
- [33:44]
B
Yeah.
- [33:45]
A
Like.
- [33:45]
B
Yep, he did.
- [33:47]
A
My favorite shows of all time are girls on each girls.
- [33:50]
B
Yes.
- [33:51]
A
It just. It really finds you when you need it and show. Do you like thrillers?
- [33:55]
B
I do.
- [33:55]
A
Okay. Would you watch? You. You definitely like a foreign show with subtitles. Really? There's no way. I mean, I don't know if it's really good.
- [34:09]
B
Okay, shoot.
- [34:10]
A
It's called Dark. Okay. I've never on Netflix. All you need to know is a little German boy goes missing in this little German town. And it becomes so mind in ways that like, you would never anticipate show would go to.
- [34:27]
B
And this is your favorite show ever.
- [34:28]
A
I've seen it twice through. So I've seen six seasons of a German show.
- [34:33]
B
Wow.
- [34:34]
A
In German. Because you can't watch it dubbed. There's no point.
- [34:36]
B
I know it's there.
- [34:37]
A
Like talking.
- [34:39]
B
Yeah. Yeah. It's weird.
- [34:41]
A
It is one of the most. It's. It's brilliant.
- [34:45]
B
Okay, I'll watch it.
- [34:46]
A
It's genuinely a brilliant, brilliant show.
- [34:49]
B
Wow.
- [34:50]
A
Like, do you. They like, they would have had to like, sit down at a board, like, connect so many dots to make that plot.
- [34:56]
B
Do they ever figure out, like, where this boy went or.
- [34:58]
A
Oh, yes.
- [35:00]
B
Oh.
- [35:00]
A
And it is a not where you think.
- [35:03]
B
Really?
- [35:03]
A
It is not where you think it wasn't. The parents, like, I can't even begin to describe to you.
- [35:10]
B
Wow.
- [35:11]
A
Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I wish I could watch that show. For the first time again.
- [35:15]
B
Wow.
- [35:15]
A
I was sitting.
- [35:16]
B
When did it come out?
- [35:17]
A
I think it ended in 2020. It must have come out in like 2017. But I remember sitting during COVID And how many seasons?
- [35:23]
B
Five, three. Trilogy of seasons.
- [35:24]
A
10 episodes each.
- [35:25]
B
Speech. Okay. Okay.
- [35:26]
A
And the end is so rewarding. I also just finished a show called Mr. Robot.
- [35:30]
B
Oh, I've heard that. That's amazing.
- [35:32]
A
Really good. But watch Dark first.
- [35:33]
B
Okay? Okay. I'm gonna watch it.
- [35:34]
A
Yeah. AI's legitimately. Yeah, AI's like, I don't use chat gbt. I. I still hold back.
- [35:44]
B
Really?
- [35:45]
A
I hold back. It's so. It scares the out of me.
- [35:48]
B
Okay. I use it.
- [35:49]
A
You do?
- [35:50]
B
I do.
- [35:51]
A
It scares me.
- [35:52]
B
I do. Like, like, but like, I don't know if I use it like how other people use it. Like I'll. Like, like my son had a staff infection and. And I took a picture of it and I put it in and I said, what is this rash? And it said staff infection. And then I was like, okay, we're going to the doctor. So like I only use it like was really life or death, right? Yeah. I'm not using it. Like plan my day for me or like, you know, stuff like that. No, no, no, no, no, no.
- [36:16]
A
I mean kids are literally not going to let learn.
- [36:18]
B
I know.
- [36:19]
A
It's the craziest thing. And everyone's telling me like, no, AIs. It's like what Google was 20 years ago.
- [36:23]
B
And I'm like, no, it is not. Google 20 years ago was the pits. Like, literally it was like you'd be on page 16 still looking for your answer. Like it was not at all. What? Like it is today? No.
- [36:36]
A
Yeah.
- [36:36]
B
You cannot compare the two.
- [36:37]
A
Bugs me out.
- [36:38]
B
Maybe it might be revolutionary in the same way. Sort of. But it's totally different.
- [36:44]
A
Have you ever been in a self driving car?
- [36:47]
B
No.
- [36:47]
A
Neither have I. You do they. Does New York have waymos?
- [36:50]
B
I don't think so.
- [36:51]
A
That's. What if you see a car.
- [36:53]
B
I've seen them here.
- [36:54]
A
Yeah. They spin around.
- [36:55]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen it. I've seen it here. No, New York is like we're a little like stuck in our way.
- [37:02]
A
Right.
- [37:02]
B
New York doesn't really love change that much. You know, it's. We're not. It's not like California where like the tech advancements are like just all the time, you know, like we're. New York is a little more like archaic.
- [37:17]
A
Yeah.
- [37:17]
B
It's also an older city. You know, it's a little more like Scholarly, like studious.
- [37:22]
A
And I know sometimes I really miss it.
- [37:25]
B
Do you really, though?
- [37:26]
A
Yeah, I do sometimes.
- [37:27]
B
Like what? What do you miss about it?
- [37:29]
A
I miss not being at the mercy of a car because I don't drive. I don't know how to drive.
- [37:36]
B
Okay.
- [37:36]
A
Because I grew up in New York and my parents are like, like Jewish. Why don't you just get neurotic? And like, they're like, you can't drive, you can't drive, you can't drive. And I'm like, okay. Cuz then my dad's like, how do.
- [37:45]
B
You get around here?
- [37:47]
A
I Uber everywhere, babe. I know.
- [37:51]
B
That's like a lot.
- [37:53]
A
It's a lot. And you know, I mean, I've made it my own thing, you know, like, I'm very grateful that I can afford to do it.
- [38:00]
B
Yeah.
- [38:01]
A
And I'm also grateful that I've become friends with all of them.
- [38:03]
B
So we're like, you know, all the.
- [38:05]
A
Local Ubers, literally all of them, we're all friends. They pick me up. Hey, Jake. Yeah, hey. Like, you know, we like text. We like, you know, I'm like, we can book out of the app if you want. They're like, there's something.
- [38:16]
B
Yeah. It's like, okay.
- [38:17]
A
Like sometimes they're like, yeah.
- [38:18]
B
And then sometimes I'm not ready for that, bro.
- [38:19]
A
Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I miss not being at the mercy of the car. Things in LA close so early. They do love to go out.
- [38:27]
B
Yeah.
- [38:28]
A
And they close at 2:00am here last night. 2:00am, which is insane.
- [38:33]
B
I know, but that, but that's why I feel like the house party is here. Are like, you cannot. Like, it's not the same. Like New York by like a 1130, they've called the cops. Like here you can like rage till like 8, 9 in the morning, but it's not.
- [38:46]
A
But still, someone next door is going to call the cops if it's too loud.
- [38:49]
B
Right.
- [38:49]
A
Whereas a nightclub in New York. It's loud.
- [38:52]
B
Yeah. Yeah.
- [38:54]
A
And some part of me misses apartment parties.
- [38:57]
B
Really?
- [38:58]
A
No. I thought they were the coolest thing in the world when I was.
- [39:00]
B
I mean, definitely. Yeah. In high school, like, it was just so very intimate.
- [39:04]
A
Yeah.
- [39:04]
B
Yeah.
- [39:05]
A
You felt like so cool if you were invited, like, you know, but I do, I do. My two best friends. Friends literally moved out today back to New York.
- [39:13]
B
Really? Yeah. They literally just always happens though. Like, I feel like all the people, all of my friends I grew up with all live here. And then like all my like LA friends, like, like all the friends I have now in New York are from la, you know what I mean? Like they just flip flop all the time. Like just in. In search for happiness.
- [39:34]
A
I mean, the dating scene here is also just abysmal.
- [39:37]
B
But is it worse than New York?
- [39:38]
A
New York? I. When I go to New York, I have like dates lined up and it's like, really? Yes. Here it is. Wow, talk about the pits. This is the bad place.
- [39:49]
B
But I feel like here is the place you come to like get married and get a dog and have kids.
- [39:54]
A
Yeah. If you're like straight. Yeah, yeah, right. I'm sure. Right. It's great for them, I get that.
- [40:01]
B
But I still like do love it here though.
- [40:03]
A
I love LA more than.
- [40:05]
B
Because it's like here you can just kind of like exist in a little bubble and like move around in your bubble. Whereas like New York, it's just harder. Like everything is harder, you know, like even grocery shopping is harder because then you have to walk back with all the heavy ass bags. Like here it's like just throw them in your trunk, you know, like little things like that. It adds up for sure. Like, I feel like the quality of life might be a little bit better here.
- [40:30]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is, it is.
- [40:33]
B
Babe, it is, it is. You're right.
- [40:35]
A
You're right, it is. I. I think maybe. I don't know, I. It's. Think. Think I'm. I think I romanticize places I'm not at anymore.
- [40:40]
B
Yeah.
- [40:41]
A
Because like growing up in New York, I was miserable. Like those January to March, like so hard. Darkest days.
- [40:50]
B
All New Yorkers have like vitamin D deficiency. Like, we're all like clinically depressed. It's. It's a lot. Yeah. And then it's like the summer is like too hot to even be outside. It's like literally tropical. It was reclassified as like a tropical zone. Yeah.
- [41:05]
A
When?
- [41:05]
B
Like this year I'm pretty sure because it's so humid. It's gotten to that level where it's like crazy. It's like Puerto Rico in there. It's like hot, hot.
- [41:15]
A
I mean, mosquitoes. But I heard it's bad.
- [41:17]
B
Yeah, it's rough. It's really rough.
- [41:19]
A
And then did you. Do you remember like when you used to take the train when like you'd get on a car and the AC is broken, and the AC's broken and the doors closed?
- [41:26]
B
Well, I just stand in the middle. I'd stand in the middle of the two cars to catch a breeze.
- [41:31]
A
Oh, you would? Like outside of the train?
- [41:33]
B
Yeah, like, you know the spot connecting. Yeah, I would just go and stand there and I was so scared of doing. Really? No, I loved. Me and my friends would do that. We'd, like, smoke joints in there and, like. Yeah, we were crazy. We'd, like, run on the tracks and subway surf and, like, be so crazy on the train.
- [41:49]
A
What do you mean, subway surf?
- [41:50]
B
Like, climb on it on the top? Yeah. Like, from that little nook, you can climb up to the top up.
- [41:57]
A
And you're not scared. You weren't. You were just like, babe.
- [42:01]
B
Our frontal lobe was very much undeveloped. Like, we did not give a. Oh, my God.
- [42:06]
A
That's.
- [42:07]
B
Yeah.
- [42:07]
A
Insane.
- [42:08]
B
It's fun.
- [42:09]
A
It sounds really fun.
- [42:11]
B
Yeah.
- [42:12]
A
Wow.
- [42:13]
B
You've never done the thing when you're speeding in a car and then you climb out one window, climb the top, and go back in on the other side?
- [42:21]
A
Never.
- [42:21]
B
That's really fun.
- [42:23]
A
Is it, like.
- [42:24]
B
Yeah.
- [42:25]
A
And is it, like, the adrenal, like, is.
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B
It's an adrenaline thing, for sure. Yeah. It's a.
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A
Like, oh, my God.
- [42:31]
B
There's a high chance I might die, you know?
- [42:34]
A
Oh, my God.
- [42:35]
B
Best feeling ever.
- [42:36]
A
What's the craziest thing, like, that, like, you've ever done?
- [42:44]
B
I had this boyfriend, and he loved, like, climbing bridges and stuff. And one time we did it together, and we climbed the. The. I think it was the Williamsburg Bridge. And we, like, climbed up to the top.
- [42:59]
A
What?
- [43:00]
B
Yeah. It was actually really romantic.
- [43:03]
A
Were you like.
- [43:04]
B
I mean, he's gross, but, like. Yeah, it was cool. I. I, like, was scared, but I was never gonna show him that I was scared.
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A
Right.
- [43:12]
B
I was like, you know, I got this.
- [43:13]
A
What's your star sign?
- [43:14]
B
Aquarius.
- [43:15]
A
Okay. I feel like I don't know much about Aquarius. I'm a Scorpio.
- [43:19]
B
Really? You don't have a lot of Aquarius friends? I feel like I'm, like, always like this with Scorpios.
- [43:23]
A
My friends are like, like, Pisces, Leo, Virgo.
- [43:30]
B
Interesting.
- [43:31]
A
Pisces, Leo, Virgo.
- [43:32]
B
Okay. Interesting.
- [43:33]
A
And I have one best friend that's a Capricorn.
- [43:35]
B
Okay.
- [43:35]
A
And that's, like. That's about it.
- [43:37]
B
Right? Right.
- [43:38]
A
But I. I, like. I get. I go. I get on really well with Pisces women.
- [43:41]
B
Really?
- [43:41]
A
Yeah. Pisces women are, like, my favorite people in the world.
- [43:44]
B
Well, that makes sense. Pisces and Scorpio both very, like, emotional and, like. Yeah.
- [43:50]
A
Do what's your rising and moon. Moon.
- [43:52]
B
My rising is cancer and my moon is Taurus.
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A
I love Taurus. My mom's a Taurus.
- [44:02]
B
Yeah. I feel like that's my, like, grounded energy.
- [44:05]
A
Right?
- [44:05]
B
Where I like to be at home. I like to have nice things. Like, I like good food. Like, I just sleep.
- [44:10]
A
A bed and breakfast.
- [44:11]
B
Yeah, exactly. Like, very, very, like, Taurus. And then my cancer, I think, is, like, my creativity and my more. More like, nostalgic, emotional, like, motherly, nurturing side. And then my Aquarius side is just like. Like, where all the crazy stuff goes in.
- [44:32]
A
I feel like Aquarius is, like, are a party.
- [44:34]
B
Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're just very, like, future thinkers. Big picture. Like, I don't really harp on, like, little stuff. I, like, really look at the bigger picture of, like, what it all means. And, like. Like, you know, I feel like I have a pretty good grass. I'm a good problem solver, and I'm. I can be very, like, rational. Like. Like, to the point where sometimes I'm like, feelings are irrelevant. Like, let's look at the facts here, you know, instead. So I always say, like, facts before feelings. And a lot of people don't like that. But I find comfort in, like, the truth.
- [45:09]
A
Like, do you think people on the Internet do feelings before facts? These days I feel like it's all about.
- [45:14]
B
Yeah. How it made me feel, it offended me and blah, blah, blah. Yeah.
- [45:18]
A
Because that's like, you know, the mind. That's like. It's crazy. It's crazy. Do you want to get into the tell me what's wrongs?
- [45:25]
B
Okay. Yeah.
- [45:26]
A
These are where the write in and they tell us what's wrong, and we give them advice.
- [45:30]
B
Okay. Okay.
- [45:30]
A
I feel like you're gonna be.
- [45:32]
B
I love it.
- [45:32]
A
Short of excellent at this.
- [45:33]
B
I love. Actually, I was just thinking about, like, how, like, so, like, all the time, people come up to me and, like, ask me for advice, and then I'm like, all right, here we go. And I just, like, give them the, like, advice, and I'm like, what if I just, like, derailed their whole entire lives and they're like, that Julia box, she told me to quit my job and follow my dreams, and now I'm broke and homeless. Like, I don't know, but I'm gonna do my best.
- [45:57]
A
My husband has had horrible breath lately. Right as I was about to bring it up, he told me I have bad breath, which I don't. What do I do?
- [46:05]
B
What a master gaslighter.
- [46:07]
A
Yeah.
- [46:08]
B
Yeah. Also, how did he read her mind? I would just say, like, divorce. Yeah.
- [46:17]
A
Okay.
- [46:17]
B
That's a huge deal breaker for me. Like, yeah, bad breath and stinky feet.
- [46:21]
A
Oh, well, you literally, right before we sat down, you put, like, a minty tab In. Oh, no, those were.
- [46:26]
B
No, I put my contact. I fell asleep in the makeup chair today, and when I woke up, there was, like, like, eyeliner on my contacts, and I literally drove here, like, blinded, so I had to have to, you know, handle that really quickly.
- [46:41]
A
My ex broke up with me on the phone while I was at work. It was completely out of the blue. I thought he was my forever person, and we had planned to try long distance. He spent a week with his mom and then dumped me. Did she convince him? What do I do now?
- [46:53]
B
Wow. Honestly, you dodged a bullet, babe. It's giving weird, incestuous, emotional incest over there. Like, if he's, like, if he's gonna let his mom get to his head now, he's gonna do that for the rest of your life.
- [47:10]
A
Have you ever dated someone like that?
- [47:11]
B
No. No. And also, like, I love, like, grown ups. Like, I always got along with grown ups, so, like, everyone's parents always loved me until, like, the breakup. And then they were like, yeah.
- [47:24]
A
What's, like, the craziest thing you've done in, like, a breakup?
- [47:27]
B
Oh, my God.
- [47:29]
A
That you can say.
- [47:30]
B
I mean, you know, definitely. Like, there are some things I, like, actually can't say, but I will say, like, the fun stuff. Like, I. I remember I was, like, so mad at one of my exes, so I climbed through his fire escape and, like, like, damaged little things around the house. Like. Like, you know, like the old, like, iPhone charger, how it was, like, long and it. And the wires would always poke out. I, like, pulled out those wires so that when he would go charge his phone at night, it, like, wouldn't charge. I threw away his favorite pants. I dumped out all his beers and put the empty cans back in the fridge. Yeah, like, just, like, diabolicals. Yeah, like, stuff that, like, is little, but it adds up, right? You know? Exactly.
- [48:16]
A
Yeah.
- [48:16]
B
Like, you might even kill yourself. Yeah, exactly.
- [48:20]
A
That's awesome. Every time my friend talks about her new boyfriend, she says he's literally just like my dad. And I don't know how to tell her that's not the win she thinks it is. I feel like it's.
- [48:31]
B
I feel like we need to know a little bit more about her dad, though, because also, like, like, a lot of women go for men that remind them of their dad. You know what I mean? Like, it's. And. And boys do the same with. With women. You know, they look for the. The model image of, you know, what that looks like, and it's usually the mom, but, you know, it's I think it's healthy to a degree, you know, like. Like everything else. I. It. Yeah. I think we just need to know, like, more about her dad to really give an answer about that, just because.
- [49:02]
A
This is reminding me. When you said you used to get guys to buy you cars, how did that Just, like, for. How did that work? Like, how did you get them to buy you cars?
- [49:11]
B
I would, like, send them links of the car I wanted, and they would just. Yeah.
- [49:16]
A
Buy you the car.
- [49:17]
B
Yeah.
- [49:18]
A
Where'd you find them?
- [49:19]
B
So, like, toward. As I got older, the cars got shittier, obviously. But, like. Like, you know, in the beginning, it was the dealership, and then toward the end, it was like, hey, I found this on Craigslist.
- [49:32]
A
No, but where did you find these guys?
- [49:33]
B
Oh, just, you know, New York, going out. A lot of them would just, like, slide in my DM or, like, want to purse. Like, the moment I knew I'd hooked one, it was like, all right, let's go. Like, game time. Like, let's see what I can. And a lot of them just want to show off, you know, like. Like, yeah, I can do this for you. You know, it's like, it. They like it just as much as I like receiving it. It's not like, because they're gonna be like, gold digger. Gold digger. It'.
- [49:57]
A
They.
- [49:57]
B
They get such a thrill from doing it, too. Like, they'd love to be, like, the guy that just, like, bought a car for a girl, you know? Like, it's like, it's an eco boost for them, too. So that's why I always tell women, like, just ask. Like, ask.
- [50:10]
A
Because the worst they can do is say no.
- [50:11]
B
Yeah, because a lot of these guys, it's like, you know, it's. It's gift giving out of ego, out of, like, you know. You know, it's whatever. It's not, like, the selfless act of. You know what I mean? It's not giving that at all.
- [50:23]
A
What's, like, the craziest thing you've gotten some. What, a guy to, like, buy you?
- [50:26]
B
I mean, I've definitely gotten a lot of really. You know, most of it is, like, you know, cars, clothing. I never got, like, a house out of a guy, which is, like. Was, like, always kind of the goal, but now I've let it go. It's fine. Like, I can do that for myself. It's okay. But probably. Probably, like, Birkins. Yeah. I've gotten, like. Like, three guys to get me Birkins.
- [50:51]
A
So that's a win.
- [50:54]
B
It is.
- [50:54]
A
That's a Win. That is when.
- [50:57]
B
Yeah.
- [50:57]
A
Oh, congratulations.
- [50:59]
B
Yeah. And it's a good investment. I would recommend that you try to get guys to get them for you, because it's. It's something like, I remember when. When I, like, lost everything and whatever. Like, I could sell one of my Birkins, and that held me over for, like, six months.
- [51:13]
A
Right.
- [51:13]
B
So it's like, it's just a good place to, like, park some money, and it'll appreciate in value unlike a lot of other bags. So it's a great, great investment.
- [51:23]
A
I've been single for 27 years. I'm 27.
- [51:26]
B
Wow. Winning.
- [51:27]
A
I've lived through all my friends, relationships, and I'm starting to feel like I'll never find love. What do I do again?
- [51:33]
B
Like, it's. It's hard because it's like, I don't know this girl. It's like a part or a guy. Is it a girl or a guy? Do we even know? Yeah. I mean, I would say, like, you're on a winning streak and just ride it out, you know? But I do understand, like, wanting. Yeah. And. And you just have to put yourself out there. Know. It's so hard. I get it. I get, like, I'm so glad that I, like, already have a child and, like, I don't have to, like, worry about meeting a man so I can, like, have a child anymore, because it was just, like, so hard. Like, these men out here is such trash. The bar is so low. But I would try men from other countries. Yeah, there's some good ones out there in other countries.
- [52:15]
A
I think the issue with dating today is, like, we're so we. Because when you see people get, like, judged online so intensely, like, you're obviously going to internalize it and be like, well, so I'm gonna get, like, you know, you judge yourself just as hard. Does that make sense? Like, if you see, like, people get. Because I feel like we live in.
- [52:34]
B
This culture where you absorb that. Only absorb that lens, Right?
- [52:37]
A
Like, only in the 2000s, it was like, the main people that got made fun of were, like, celebrities.
- [52:42]
B
Real, real celebrities. Everybody, Everyone, Everybody.
- [52:45]
A
So how can you not internalize that and be like. Like, oh, I'd make fun of me if I saw me something.
- [52:49]
B
I think you just have to, like, let that go.
- [52:52]
A
Yeah.
- [52:52]
B
Yeah. And, like, realize that, like, it's gonna happen. Like, I promise you, Jake Shane, like, one day you're gonna do something, and they're gonna turn on you, and then, you know what? No, babe. But I'm telling you, then it happened. And you're like liberated of that fear and then you can just go and be yourself because it's like everyone bounces back. If you're like an actual good person, like you bounce back, you know what I mean? But like it's gonna happen. Like, like someone's gonna be ticked off. It'll probably won't be big, but like it'll happen. Like you're gonna piss somebody off and they're gonna go online and make a super self righteous video about it and they're gonna use big words and sound really intelligent and all the idiots are gonna be like, you know, and, and eat it up because you're gonna be super successful and they're gonna want to tear you down the same way they built you up. But once it happens, it's so liberating because you don't have that looming fear anymore. Is it gonna happen? It's like ripping the bandaid off and then you're like, like you're free. Like it happened and you lived and you survived. And not only that, you bounced back. So you know in your mind that you can do that again if it ever. You know what I mean? It's like you, you did it, you survived it.
- [53:58]
A
If when the. Do you remember like the first time someone got mad at you online and yes. Did it. What did it feel like?
- [54:04]
B
There was like this mascara trend where mascara meant penis.
- [54:08]
A
Wait, what?
- [54:09]
B
Some guy was like a girl. I lent my girl. I lent this girl my mascara and she lent it to someone else else and I wrote under like oh boohoo or something like whatever. And. And apparently the mascara was code word for penis.
- [54:24]
A
Understood. Understood.
- [54:27]
B
So it's always. It's gonna happen even when you actually didn't do anything wrong or like it was a mistake or a slip up or it was innocent people are still gonna find a problem. So it's like, you know, at a certain point you just have to let it go. You have to surrender. Who gives a what anybody thinks about you?
- [54:41]
A
Did you used to like, like be so scared of it until I was.
- [54:44]
B
So scared of it happening. Cuz I would always see other people going through it. And then once it happened, I was like oh, like okay, like I lived any. Like I lit. Like I, you know, I went on with my day turn like just didn't go on tik tok for the day, you know, and then it's over. Exactly. So it's like you just move on. You know.
- [55:04]
A
To hear that today. Yeah, I think about it. It consumes me.
- [55:07]
B
I would say also Stop thinking about it. Because you, like, low key, manifest your fears.
- [55:11]
A
Oh, I know.
- [55:13]
B
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
- [55:15]
A
Oh, God.
- [55:16]
B
But it's fine. Like it. It happens and you survive. And now I wear a shirt that says cancel twice.
- [55:23]
A
Oh, that's awesome.
- [55:25]
B
And I love it. And I have another shirt that says like canceled adjacent. And I love it. I feel like such a baddie in it.
- [55:31]
A
Oh, yeah. I feel like it's like.
- [55:32]
B
It's like a badge of honor. Yeah.
- [55:33]
A
It's like.
- [55:34]
B
Yeah, I went through that.
- [55:35]
A
Right.
- [55:35]
B
Came out stronger.
- [55:36]
A
You're not gonna break me at this point though. It's like the people canceling, these people are like just.
- [55:43]
B
Yeah. Yeah.
- [55:44]
A
It's like gnarly.
- [55:46]
B
Yeah.
- [55:46]
A
Like the. That they do.
- [55:47]
B
It is. It feels like a weird dictatorship where we like oppress each other.
- [55:53]
A
Feels like the Salem witch trials. It's like everyone's like you and it's.
- [55:56]
B
Always a woman or like a person of color or a queer person, you know? It's crazy.
- [56:02]
A
It's insane. It's like. Yeah. Men do not. I don't think. Think.
- [56:07]
B
Not in the same way.
- [56:08]
A
I don't think I've ever seen.
- [56:10]
B
I mean, I have, but it's for like, horrendous. Not in the same way.
- [56:13]
A
Yeah.
- [56:13]
B
It's not in the same way. Yeah.
- [56:15]
A
Right. I'm in a group chat where everyone roasts their exes and talk a bunch of about mine, but they don't know that we just got back together.
- [56:23]
B
That's why, like, you really, as much as, like, I want to say, like, you know, talk to your friends about your relationship. It's like, it's hard cuz then like, on both ends. Like, someone once told me, like, never get involved in someone's relationship because my mom says they get back together and then you're the bad guy and it's really awkward. And I've made that mistake so many times. And also as the friend, you're like, so tired of hearing about it and you're like offering solution and then they get back together and you're like the. You know what I mean? It's like both. Both sides. It's better to just stay out of it and like, you know.
- [57:02]
A
Yeah.
- [57:03]
B
Just take the LSIs. Like, let them know it's fine.
- [57:06]
A
Right.
- [57:06]
B
Yeah.
- [57:07]
A
Well, Julia, what did we learn today?
- [57:11]
B
A lot of TV shows, though. Yeah. Watching TV is so fun. It is.
- [57:19]
A
It's the best thing in the entire world. I think I learned that, like, maybe I'm more resilient than I think I am.
- [57:28]
B
Yeah.
- [57:28]
A
From your advice. That you gave me.
- [57:30]
B
Yeah, but, yeah, no, I think. I think we humans are like. And, like, we've literally made it here against all odds. Like, we're here. Like, humans are so resilient. Like, way more than we give ourselves. We're literally built to heal. Like, we get a cut, and immediately our body starts healing. And, like, you just don't underestimate how powerful and strong you are.
- [57:53]
A
Oh, I'm gonna take that with me. Also, finally, before I let you go, you are in the new movie, Him.
- [58:00]
B
Yes.
- [58:00]
A
Amazing. It's executive produced by Jordan Peele.
- [58:02]
B
Yeah.
- [58:03]
A
She went to my high school.
- [58:04]
B
You're joking.
- [58:05]
A
No, swear. He was, like, the first celebrity.
- [58:06]
B
He's from New York. Yeah.
- [58:07]
A
He went to the school called Calhoun.
- [58:08]
B
Yeah, I know Calhoun.
- [58:09]
A
That's where I went.
- [58:10]
B
Yeah.
- [58:10]
A
Big TV school. And he went, then he spoke to. Well, besides that, how was it? What was it like filming?
- [58:16]
B
It was amazing. We filmed in New Mexico last year, and they let me keep my bleached eyebrows, and there was a lot of blood. I mean, I'd always wanted to do kind of like a horror movie, and I always, obviously, loved Jordan Peele, and so when they, you know, offered the part to me, I was like, thank you, Jesus.
- [58:36]
A
Yeah.
- [58:37]
B
And it was so fun. I love New Mexico. I actually spent all the money I made on that film and bought, like, this yurt in the middle of the desert out there. It's like a hexagonal house because I just loved being out there so much. There's. It really. It's like the Land of Enchantment, and it really feels that way. Like, you feel so grounded to the earth, and there's something so, like, magical and mystical about New Mexico. And anyway, back to the movie. Yeah. It's coming out in theaters in September, so come see me.
- [59:12]
A
I'm so excited for you. You love acting in.
- [59:14]
B
I do.
- [59:15]
A
Yeah.
- [59:15]
B
I do. I'm, like, good at it.
- [59:17]
A
You're great at it.
- [59:18]
B
Thank you.
- [59:18]
A
You're great. I, I. You. Yeah. Like, did you know. And you. I read that you had no idea you could do it until you literally got the part.
- [59:26]
B
Until I tried. Yeah. But you know what? Growing up, everyone around me, like, my closest friends and family always told me, like, you should be an actress. You should be an actress. But I just never thought, like, someone like me could do that. It just felt like such a glamorous kind of. Of, you know, like, too far, you know, out of my grasp. And. And so when it happened, it just really felt like, oh, my God, like, they were right and I was like underestimating myself, so. And. And I love it. And I don't think I get like, taken seriously as an actress, like, because I'm me, you know, and whatever. I guess I'm like, weird, but I'm a good actress.
- [60:02]
A
You're a great actress.
- [60:03]
B
Thank you.
- [60:04]
A
Yeah. Are you like, are you excited to like, has it been the most rewarding, like, because you've had so many different side quests? It's been the most rewarding.
- [60:13]
B
Yeah. Aside from writing my book.
- [60:15]
A
Right.
- [60:16]
B
Which was really hard. Having a child.
- [60:18]
A
Yeah.
- [60:18]
B
Like being. And also what I love the most about acting is like the escapism factor. Like, I don't do drugs anymore, but I do love escaping myself. And so when I can, you know, play a part and become a different person, I like really commit to the bit. Like I really become her. And. And it's. It's so like, freeing. Like I like long for it, I crave it, like truly. And yeah, I'm. I'm excited to just do more of that.
- [60:50]
A
Yeah, you definitely will.
- [60:51]
B
Congratulations.
- [60:52]
A
I'm so excited to see you.
- [60:53]
B
Thank you.
- [60:54]
A
And thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for having me. It was so lovely. I know I could listen to you talk all day.
- [60:59]
B
I know. Same. I like watch all your videos on TikTok. You're so funny.
- [61:03]
A
Well, I'm only. I only have. Have this because of you. I'll never forget it.
- [61:07]
B
That's wild.
- [61:08]
A
I know. I always say every time they used to ask me like, well, how did you like. Well, Julia Fox posted, she would just do these people would comment and she would do it and.
- [61:16]
B
But how, how did you translate that? Like, how did you. Did you start doing that?
- [61:20]
A
I just said comment, something you want me to act out. And I. My caption, I think it was literally, I saw Julia Fox do this and I wanted to do it.
- [61:26]
B
Oh my God. And I love that so much. That's like that butterfly effect.
- [61:31]
A
Yes.
- [61:31]
B
Trend.
- [61:32]
A
Right? Right.
- [61:33]
B
Cuz it's crazy.
- [61:34]
A
Yeah. It changed my life.
- [61:35]
B
Oh, good.
- [61:37]
A
Do you want to give a little Bye.
- [61:39]
B
Bye. Wait, which camera? This one. Bye. Thanks for tuning in. Love you.