Session 97: Glen Powell Returns

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Therapuss with Jake Shane

Session 97: Glen Powell Returns
Date: September 25, 2025
Host: Jake Shane
Guest: Glen Powell

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Main Theme / Episode Overview

In this lively, candid, and often hilarious episode, Jake Shane visits Glen Powell at his new house in Austin, Texas. The conversation is a blend of deep friendship, nostalgia, and introspection as they recount an epic Austin weekend—including a University of Texas (UT) game day—while promoting Glen’s new Hulu series, Chad Powers (premiering September 30th). Glen offers behind-the-scenes insights into his career, personal philosophy, Austin roots, and the making of Chad Powers. Jake and Glen’s genuine chemistry provides endless entertainment, weaving in stories of college, family, fame, and even pranks. The episode wraps up with “Tell Me What’s Wrong,” with advice for listeners navigating life’s small humiliations and bigger anxieties.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Austin Weekend and UT Game Day (02:23–12:16; 23:34–32:36)

• Jake recounts being Glen’s first houseguest in his new Austin home, referencing their “wild” Friday night and UT game experience, including shooting off (a not-real) game cannon, meeting the mascot Bevo, and donning full cowboy attire.
• Jake’s transformation: The hosts joke about Jake’s cowboy alter ego and fitting seamlessly into Austin culture.
  • "When you put that hat on earlier today, I stopped. Time stopped. I was like—this man has been put into Austin for a reason." – Glen (23:51)
• Initiation rituals: Shooting the game cannon, drinking from a cowboy hat (or boot), learning fight songs, and attending pre-games capture the spirited UT tailgate traditions.
• UT’s significance: Glen reminisces about his college years (Sammy fraternity, game day pranks, his family’s deep roots at UT), reinforcing Austin’s “community magic.”

Deep Dives into Glen Powell’s Projects and Career (05:22–06:45; 12:19–36:45)

• Chad Powers: Glen’s new series, a college football comedy.
  • Show premise: Canceled ex-pro QB (Russ Holiday) dons prosthetics to pose as a new, anonymous college athlete.
  • Inspirations: “Mrs. Doubtfire” meets college football. Glen’s real-life college experiences, including campus traditions and the electric atmosphere, influenced the series.
  • Makeup: Prosthetics for the disguise honed from 2 to 1 hour per day during production.
  • Writers’ room insight: Glen explains the collaborative and fun environment in developing the show.
  • Philosophical note: Chad Powers explores cancel culture, public forgiveness, and the human desire for second chances.
    • “...the world doesn’t really let you forget your mistakes…We talk about with phones, with TikTok and Instagram…it’s like, so many people make mistakes, and the internet doesn’t let you forget, right?...Having a character that’s learning to say ‘I’m sorry’…is a really beautiful thing.” – Glen (36:00)
• Acting journey:
  • Early break: Childhood roles in Spy Kids 3 (hilarious side story about mismatched auditions), and being eliminated early on Endurance: Mexico (the kids' Survivor, with his sister later nearly winning).
  • Notable misses: Audition stories from Glee, Divergent, and Friday Night Lights—all of which he didn’t book, explaining “not dancing before you’re in the end zone.”
  • Career grind: Glen reflects on hustling in LA, money struggles, and the financial relief after Expendables.
    • “You look at a rotisserie chicken and you’re like, how long could I make this last?” – Glen (71:10)
  • Set stories: Cameos with his family (mother as the “moaning woman” in Chad Powers, both parents in Expendables), and rough cuts (his scenes being cut in The Wendell Baker Story).

Hollywood, Friendship, Visibility, and Balance (42:03–47:50; 72:05–79:05)

• Sudden visibility: Glen describes the whirlwind post-Hitman, Twisters, and filming Chad Powers, Running Man, and a J.J. Abrams project back-to-back—barely experiencing his rising fame firsthand.
• Navigating fame: Jake and Glen trade advice on handling fan interactions, setting healthy public boundaries, and protecting private moments.
  • “If you do [pictures] while you’re sitting down, everybody will see that you’re open for business. And then we can’t hang out and have a good time.” – Glen (46:31)
• Friendship and adventure: Glen and Jake’s rapport emphasizes the importance of keeping life adventuresome, resilient, and not letting external pressures curb family, friendship, or fun.
• Relationships: Glen shares how career demands affect dating and friendship, stating he’s “deliberate” now, not dating carelessly due to limited free time.

Family, Nostalgia & Pranks (79:09–85:47)

• Powell family pranks: Glen’s family loves to initiate newcomers (especially in-laws) with elaborate pranks, from fake redneck welcomes to mock murder scenes.
  • “My family’s big on pranks…if you don’t know if you’ve met them, you haven’t met them because they’re, like, so rowdy.” – Glen (84:46)
• School prank: Glen infamously released 3,000 crickets into his school on the last day of eighth grade.

Meaningful Life Lessons & Introspection (93:33–97:01)

• Self-forgiveness and grace: Glen reflects on being too hard on himself and learning to accept that showing up and trying is enough, even when one can’t please everyone.
  • “If you can look at yourself in the mirror and go, ‘I did my best,’…that kind of releases all the chaos of the world…” – Glen (93:44)
• Conspiracy theories and personal accountability: A discussion inspired by Chad Powers’s protagonist—Glen argues that conspiracy theorizing is often a deflection from personal accountability.
  • “A lot of conspiracy theorists…are a lot of people that just aren’t taking accountability for the fact that the world is hard to explain sometimes.” – Glen (96:55)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On fitting in with Austin:
  • “When you put that hat on earlier today, I stopped. Time stopped.” – Glen (23:51)
• On cancel culture & second chances:
  • “…the internet doesn’t let you forget…Having a character that’s learning to say ‘I’m sorry’…is a really beautiful thing.” – Glen (36:00)
• On career perspective:
  • “I’ve never been competitive with other people. I’ve been competitive with myself.” – Glen (55:01)
• On road trips & family adventure:
  • “No good story happened from things going right.” – Glen (75:13)
• On public visibility:
  • “Sets are a very normalizing place.” – Glen (44:48)
• On pranks:
  • “I released 3,000 crickets in the school on the last day of school.” – Glen (85:47)
• On handling embarrassment:
  • “As you say, no good story comes from a good situation.” – Jake (82:32)
• On self-compassion:
  • “…if you are genuinely well-meaning…giving yourself a little bit of grace…if you can look yourself in the mirror and go, I did my best, I tried to show up…that releases all the chaos of the world…” – Glen (93:33)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Topic | |---------------|---------------------------------------------| | 02:23–12:16 | Austin weekend, UT traditions, game day fun | | 05:22–06:45 | Prosthetics/makeup for Chad Powers | | 12:19–16:55 | Glen’s early acting roles, Endurance | | 23:34–32:36 | Cowboy aesthetics, Austin fit, UT memories | | 33:37–36:45 | Inspiring Chad Powers, cancel culture | | 37:44–39:59 | Writers’ room & comedy on set | | 42:03–46:50 | Navigating fame & friendship boundaries | | 55:01–59:27 | Auditions for Glee, Friday Night Lights | | 71:10–79:05 | Financial grind, family, travel adventure | | 79:09–85:47 | Family pranks, school prank | | 93:33–97:01 | Self-forgiveness, accountability, lessons | | 97:01–End | Conspiracy theories, closing thoughts |

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"Tell Me What’s Wrong" Advice Segment (82:11–97:09)

• Cigar faux pas: Glen reassures a listener who threw up after trying to impress their girlfriend’s dad with a cigar—“it means they like you,” and tells a family prank story at a first meeting.
• Friend mismatch & FOMO: Glen and Jake advocate for seeking out friends who share your interests, not just legacy ties, and for resisting social media-induced FOMO.
• Reading a room/social anxiety: Both share strategies for increasing self-awareness and not spiraling over social faux pas; Glen admits even he sometimes fails and is learning to give himself grace.
• Best lesson: Glen’s takeaway—trying your best is enough; you can’t make everyone happy, and that’s okay.
• Dealing with conspiracy theorist friends: Glen: “Conspiracy theorists…often just aren’t taking accountability for the fact that the world is hard to explain sometimes.”

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Closing Notes & Tone

Jake and Glen maintain a warm, irreverent, and introspective tone. The episode seamlessly fuses frat-house shenanigans with vulnerable self-examination. Glen, candid and unfiltered, elevates the conversation with humor, honesty, and hard-won wisdom—making this a standout installment for fans of celebrity interviews that go deeper and for those craving a taste of Austin’s legendary hospitality.

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End of Summary.

Transcript

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Save up to 40% your first [e-mail] podcast terms apply. Hi, welcome back to Therapists. Tonight we have on my dear friend, movie star, greatest person of all time, Glenn Pavilon. I'm so happy that he came back to promote his new show, Chad Powers, which drops on Hulu September 30th. I was lucky enough to see the show and it is amazing. It is like I. It's hard for me to, like, laugh out loud at things sometimes, like on at shows, and I really laughed out loud at this. It just feel good. It's funny. It's needed. But for this episode, Glenn invited me to his house in Austin so he could show me what a real Austin weekend looked like, including a UT game day. And all I have to say is I think Glenn is the mayor of Austin, Texas. I've never seen anything like that in my entire life. I had the best time ever on Friday night. We went to dinner, went to Benson Boone. Saturday was just. I felt like I was back in college. We woke up game day. I would drink. I must have drank for 24 hours straight, but it was literally the best time ever. And I think that's what makes this episode feel so special, is because I have such incredible memories to go along with it. Kya came with us. She was the most fun. Like, we had the most fun ever. Kya and I and Glenn got to shoot off the cannon at the UT game, which is not a real canon. I thought it was. It's not. But it was very loud nonetheless. I met their mascot. They won 55 to 0, which was amazing. It was such a fun time. Glenn. Thank you for having me. Thank you for coming back on. You can stream his new show, Chad Powers, out on Hulu September 30th. It is amazing. And yeah, to submit a Tell me what's wrong, go to passthatpost.com click tell me what's Wrong. Leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy and enjoy the episode. Love you, pussies. Howdy, pussies. Welcome to Austin, Texas. We are here with my dear friend, movie star Glenn Powell.

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What's up, buddy?

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I Am so excited to be here.

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I'm very excited you're here in Austin, Texas. Dude, we've already, we've already taken the place by storm.

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We really, we really have. We saw. Well, we've had, we had a day yesterday.

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Yes, we did.

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We flew together.

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Yes.

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Brisket slept in my lap.

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The whole, the whole entire place. Adorable thing I've ever seen.

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We both fell asleep.

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I try not to make a habit of taking pictures of people while they're asleep, but I really wanted to.

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I know. And then I woke up because my phone fell out of my hand. That's how I knew I was really asleep.

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Yeah, it was aggressive.

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Yeah. It was like a clunk. And I was like, oh, wow. I, I fell asleep. And I would just like to say, not to flex on myself, but I am your first guest here in this house.

[A]

You were my first house guest. I'm, I'm like, so honored. Like, you, you've, you've tested out the bed. I saw you wake up in your jammies this morning. It's like coordinated pajamas. I know what, I know what Jake's morning voice sounds like.

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Can you do the morning voice? Hey. Yeah, I woke up. Everyone was up and I, they woke up and I said, hi. I was in my, I was in my.

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So delicate.

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I know.

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It's so delicate.

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Before, before the beast awakens.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We, we, we also, we had a night last night. We, we tore one off. So I'm like, I'm very impressed with how delicate your voice sounded.

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I, I, I was hungover.

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Yeah, me too.

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Benson, I'm sorry for blocking out at your concert. I blacked out at Benson Boon.

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You earned it, buddy. We did it. We did it, right?

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I've never experienced anything like that. We did have a drinking game.

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Yes, we did. Every time Benson took a backflip or any sort of athletic thing, we chugged for 10 seconds straight.

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Yeah, 10 it was. And Glenn and Kai were like, because Kai is here too, with us. And she. And they were like, maybe we do like five seconds.

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And I said, no, no, you were, you were, you were on a tear.

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Yeah.

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You also said when we had our first drink early on, you were like, I'm gonna black out tonight. And I was like, this guy's like, he's not saying it. Like, like question mark. It was like an exclamation point.

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Yeah, it was statement. And I, and I did that.

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Yeah.

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And let me tell you something. I, and you. I didn't wake up too hungover. Maybe it's the Alcohol in Texas. But it's not bad.

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We were going. We were. You did espresso martinis.

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Right.

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Which I was worried about.

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Okay.

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You know, but like, I will say my favorite part about you taking the first sip. You really kind of muted in the car. Kai and I were kind of worried about you. And then. And then all of a sudden, a first sip of espresso martini, and I was like, the Beast is coming out tonight.

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Right. Because I was so tired and I was so hungry. Glenn and I, we woke up at 3 in the morning.

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Yeah.

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For a 6am flight.

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Yeah.

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And so, like. And I was like, okay, like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna nap. And then I didn't end up nap. And I, like, really tried, but I was watching Chad Powers.

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Yes.

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Which comes out.

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Comes out September 30th. So we're just a few days away.

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A few days away. It is so incredible.

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So, yeah. So basically, yeah. Becomes. There's. They're holding this open tryouts for a. A quarterback at this. At this college that we made up in the show. All the colleges around us are real, but South Georgia University of South Georgia Catfish are a team we made up, but they need. They need a quarterback. And so, yeah, Russ Holiday, who's canceled the World Hates Him.

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Hates.

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Puts on prosthetics and tries out and becomes, like, the starting quarterback for the University of South Georgia Catfish.

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And how long. And you said it took you how long every morning for these prosthetics?

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Just, like, an hour. These guys got it. I mean, started off at, like, two hours, and then these guys got it, like, down to, like, an hour. They're. They're like such animals.

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And did you. Where's the. Were the prosthetics ever heavy? Like, was it ever hot out? Were you ever like, oh, I can't do this?

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There was, like, one day when I was doing tryouts in the show. Where is this? My buddy Josh.

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Hi, Josh.

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Hey. Welcome to the party. That's Josh.

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Hook on.

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We went to college together. Do you want to hear. You want to sit down for two seconds? You want to. You want to hear the. The way that Josh and I met.

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Yes.

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So Josh and I met on a Southwest flight.

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Okay, so Southwest. That's the one where it's like the Hunger Games, right? Yeah. Come, Josh. Come on. Come on, Josh. So you met on a Southwest fight.

[A]

So Josh and I were flying to. Was it Texas? Oh, no. Wouldn't text out you. Because we were flying to Austin. But what game? I remember what game it was, but we Basically we ran into a bunch of my friends that. We had mutual friends that all went to ut and we got so buck wild on this flight that the. This flight attendants kept bringing us new little minis. Mini, like had like 20 mini alcohols by the time we left.

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Stuffed in our boots from the Southwest flight.

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Southwest. It was the rowdiest Southwest flight I've ever been on. And then we. We went out with the flight attendants on 6th street in Austin afterwards.

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What? Different. How old were you guys?

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We were. We were 21. My God. Probably 21, 22.

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Yeah. So Southwest is the one where it's like first come, first serve.

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Yes. Yeah. So I saw some mutual friends in.

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The back of the plane and.

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And so I went to them and I had not met Glenn yet, but then, you know, like. Yeah. Fast friends after that.

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I know you were there for a football weekend.

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Yeah, we were there for what? I don't remember what game it was, but it was a tech. It was a game at the Texas Stadium. Dkr.

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Dkr?

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Yeah. Daryl K. Royal. That's like when people say dkr. I'm gonna teach him. I gotta teach him the Texas fight chant. We got to teach him like the eyes of Texas.

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Am I going to the game? I see you got. Yeah, I got a new hat today. Like Alan's boots. Who is Alan?

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No, no, it's not Alan. We went to Covis. Okay, got it.

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Who's Alan?

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Allen's like an iconic, like, boot store that's.

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Got it, got it, got it.

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But to Cove is like tricked us out. So he's got him like a hat. He's got him with like the. The button down, the jeans, the whole thing.

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We'll.

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We'll get you every fight song by the time we're done.

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I'm going to sing my heart out. Okay, There you go.

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Wait, can you. There. No, no, no, no. Better, better. Not that, not that. There it is.

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Hook them.

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There you go.

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So it's this.

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Yes.

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So this is a horn.

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Yeah.

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Who's your mascot?

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Bevo.

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Viva. Yeah. And what is he?

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He's a longhorn. She's like a huge steer.

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Is that a deer?

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No, steer like a big bull. Yeah, like. Like a text. A long horn thing.

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Is that like, if you guys go bull riding here?

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I mean, more. We're more like mechanical. More mechanical.

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I need to ride a mechanical bolator.

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I bet we can make that happen.

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Can we?

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We're talking about our flights at like five in the morning. I'm with you now.

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So are we all Fine. Together? Yes. We just have to stay up.

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We're thinking about bringing Jake on 6th street tonight. I think we go 6th Street. Maybe we go to a frat party. There will be a mechanical bull there bringing him to a. Like, a frat party before.

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We want to go to Sega.

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Place to be.

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Let's do it. What house were you in?

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I was in Sammy. It was a Jewish fraternity.

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Oh, hi, Jew. I'm Jewish too.

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We can. We could go to Sammy, I think. I think Kick Sigap's gonna be kicking off, though.

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I want to go where it kicks off.

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Oh, they're, like, next door. We'll go hop around. It's like parents weekend.

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Yeah, it is. Parents. Really?

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Yeah. So I think it'll be fun. We could go. We could go. We could go shotgun beers with moms and dads and then call it a day. Yeah, we'll get. You take a hat. We'll do the whole thing.

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You guys are gonna get what? A hat is a hat.

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So there's certain organizations on campus that, like, you sort of need an initiation to get in. And so there's two in particular that they have a hat like that, but before it's formed and steamed, it's basically just a felt funnel. And so they pour drinks, whatever. It could be beer, it could be whiskey. It could be a mystery. And you basically have to just chug hats.

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I wanted. I think I want to do that. Yeah.

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Oh, we for sure can do it. Yeah, we'll go on the film. You'll take it? We'll take it. Basically shotgun a beer out of a hat.

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I have to do that.

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It's very felty.

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I have to do that.

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You. You the best taste.

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No, I don't drink for the taste.

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Yeah, it's better than taking a boot. A boo you could drink.

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I think I want to do a boot.

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I mean, it's like, start with a hat, we'll work your way up to a boot.

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You from the East Coast?

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No, I'm from. I'm actually from California. I'm from San Diego. Do I give you an East Coast? But I. I hear New York all the time.

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East Coast Jew.

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Yeah.

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Well, I think we're gonna have the best day ever.

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Yeah, well, it's gonna be awesome. We're gonna. We're gonna kick off this thing in about two hours. I think everybody's getting over here, so, dude, make yourself at home. You're in the back. This is. Yeah, let me get back to it. You can cut all that out.

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Kaya is here. This weekend as well.

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Yes.

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She joined the party. Kai, are you having a good time? Yes. Yeah. So what were we talking about?

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We were talking about Chad Powers. You were talking about. You pitched Chad Powers?

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I said, it's like H2O, just add water, but for football.

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Yeah. And I didn't know what I. I. I watched Aquamarine.

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I know aquamarine with JoJo.

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JoJo is in it. Sarah Paxton, who I had a huge crush on as a kid.

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You did.

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Right around my spy kids 3 era.

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You know what is so funny that we realized in the car yesterday is I look just like your castmate.

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And Spy Kids, if, honestly, Halloween's coming up.

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If you want me to do it.

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If you wanted to go as Juni Cortez and Spy Kids, I think that's a strong move.

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Should I do it?

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Maybe I can get you the original costume.

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Don't play with me. Wait, how old was. How old were you guys when you filmed this?

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I was probably 13.

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Yeah. So I don't even fit into clothes from when I was 19.

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I mean, this is. This is like, I could. We could probably get, like, a custom one made up.

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Okay.

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We shot it all here in Austin. You're in the right place.

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So that. How did you. Spy Kids was your first role?

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Spiky's was my first, like, movie movie.

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And did you. Were they doing open casting in Austin?

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Yeah. So I just, like, auditioned for this thing. I actually auditioned for this guy, E Dog and Logos, which I. I play. The. The. The description of the character was, like, he had a goatee, and I. And I, you know, I had, like, a really high voice. You were a kid. I was like. I was a kid. I was like, I sound like Mickey Mouse. And I had, like. There was no facial hair in sight. And so I auditioned for this role, and it was me. It was three. Three guys that were auditioning for two roles or four guys that were auditioning for two roles. And I finally, they. I get down. We're meeting with, like, Robert Rodriguez, and I was like, what am I doing here? Like, there's, like, three guys with beards, and there's me. And then I ended up auditioning, and he ended up giving me a different role.

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Oh, what initial role were you auditioning for?

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It's called E Dog and Logo. So, like, these kind of bad guys.

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Glenn, I thought those were the casting directors.

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I wasn't auditioning for.

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Sorry. I was like, wait. I. That's kind of cool.

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You don't get. Logos would be badass casting director names. This was this was the characters, like, in this, like, you know, video game or whatever.

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Understood.

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And then I ended up playing, like, this, like, you know, ruler of the arena of Misfortune, which is a badass title.

[B]

All right. Okay. So you're not in Shark Boy and Lava Girl.

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No, no, no.

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Okay.

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They made that afterwards. And, like, I have. No.

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Sorry.

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Yes is in that.

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Yes. But, you know, you are in that. I've never spoken to you about endurance. Yeah, Endurance Fiji.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Survivor for kids.

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My sister was in endurance Fiji.

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Okay.

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My little sister. So I. I was in Endurance Mexico.

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Please. Like, you don't understand how important that show was to me. What was it like?

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So. So for anybody that doesn't know, endurance is like, a kid's, like, Survivor. It was like, you know, everybody competing to, like, Discovery kids. Yeah. It's like, underage. It's like kids doing Survivor. And they did the first season, like, California, like, Catalina Island. Second season.

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Oh, my God, Sorry.

[A]

Second season was in Mexico and in, like, like, you know, the very tip of Mexico, kind of like SEO Cortez area. So I got on that season and I was super pumped. Like, I. I auditioned for. I. I auditioned twice. I auditioned for Moolah beach, which was the original kind of like, test.

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Right.

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Endurance, then endurance one. I auditioned for that, too. Didn't get either. And then they said, hey, we really want you for endurance too. And I finally got on the show, and I'm, like, super excited. Like, you know, like, you. You go out there, they do the whole drum roll to it. You meet all the kids, you're like, you show up on donkeys. Like, you meet this guy did show up on. You show up on donkeys to the desert. I'm, like, stoked. I'm, like, ready. I was, like, training for it. And then the first challenge, I. I drop off this bar, and I get kicked off the show.

[B]

What was the challenge? What was the challenge?

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The challenge was basically you hold a bar over your head. So it's like you hold this bar over your head, and if you dip the bar too much, the platform below you drops. So all of a sudden, when I was, like, kind of testing out the thing, I, like, kind of stood on my tippy toes, thought, think it was going to help me?

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Uhhuh.

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And so I basically didn't have very much room to give, so I dipped it a little bit and the platform dropped, and I was in the water before I knew it. And I was like, I'm going to get made fun of for, like, the next, like, 10 years of my life for this. And it was tough. Like, it was like, to. To also, like, be playing football in high school, and, like, you just kind of got to high school.

[B]

How old were you?

[A]

I was, like, 14. And you get kicked off this, like, show that kind of, like, everybody was watching on Saturday morning. I was like, this sucks. And when I was. When I got kicked off, I was so upset with myself that I walked and I hit my head on a camera. Boom. I still have a scar on my forehead from hitting, like, a giant camera crane from stitches. Yeah.

[B]

So endurance left scars.

[A]

Yeah. Like, emotional and physical.

[B]

Yes. Wow. That was my favorite show as a kid. So do you. And your. Which sister was on it?

[A]

Leslie. So my little sister Leslie was on Fiji. Was on Fiji. So she, like, a couple years later, maybe the next year, she was.

[B]

The next year.

[A]

Was it the next year.

[B]

It was my favorite show.

[A]

So she was like. I was like, hey, we need to redeem the family name.

[B]

Right?

[A]

I can't leave it like this. So we got my little sister. I helped her with the audition. Audition video, and she got on the next show, and she nearly won it. She was like. She got second place. She should have gotten first place. It was like a.

[B]

So, okay, so, like, was all the drama behind the scenes real?

[A]

I mean, I wasn't on the show, man. I got kicked off.

[B]

Right, I know, but I'm just saying, like, oh, do you watch Survivor now or.

[A]

No, not really anymore.

[B]

No, I've never seen it.

[A]

I watched it. I watched it early on. I watched it early on was, like, first couple seasons.

[B]

Okay. I've never seen Survivor.

[A]

It's great, right? It's okay. I can't believe it's still going, but it's. It's. The kid Survivor thing was, like, way more dramatic because it was like, you know, like, when you're in, like, 16, 17 years old, like, 15, like, girl, like, girls, like, everybody, like, the. The emotional and kind of, like, romantic dynamics are kind of so heightened off of so little. You're also, like, a crush on this girl Keaton, who was on the show, and I was really bummed because I, like, fell for her on the first day, and then I got kicked off.

[B]

That would have been such a good storyline.

[A]

Yeah. She was my first kiss, though, when, like, a year later.

[B]

How did you keep in touch with Keon?

[A]

I. I. The. The whole, like, Endurance crew, like, kept in touch.

[B]

How did you keep in touch without group chats?

[A]

That's a great question. What was it, Aim?

[B]

Yes, it was.

[A]

I think it Was like, aim. Like, it was always, like, kind of like. Yeah, it was kind of the same thing. You just had to, like, log on.

[B]

And then you all hung out.

[A]

We all hung out. I went to her place. My first kiss was at her place in North Carolina. And I was super excited because I was like. I knew she liked me, and, like, we were about to watch the ring. Remember that movie, the Ring? Out of tv?

[B]

Yes. Did you watch the OG or the American one? OG oh, that one's scary.

[A]

And so I was like, that vibe where she's like, okay, like, starting to get closer. Cuddle. I'm like, oh, it's on. And so I get. I get my first kiss that night. All the guys were kind of helping me, like, get alone and, like, make it happen. So I nailed it right off the bat. I was, like, super happy. I was like, man, you know how to make out. You are born for this thing, man. And then. And then. And then, like, a few weeks later, we go to Connecticut at our buddy Mike's house.

[B]

How old were you? You were just hopping from state to state.

[A]

I was always. I was always moving around. But this crew, like, we, like, really liked each other. The whole crew, like, from Endurance, stuck together. And so I went to Mike's house, and we went to go see the Haunted Mansion. The Haunted Mansion movie.

[B]

The Disney movie.

[A]

Eddie Murphy. Amazing Haunted Mansion. So we saw that, and I'm like, I'm about to get my second kiss. Like, this is about to go down. So I'm, like, leaving the theater, and I would do this thing as a kid, like, where I do, like, skateboard moves, you know, like, where you jump off of something and kind of like. Like, spin, you know, like, all right. I was not as cool.

[B]

Like, Parkour.

[A]

It's like parkour. It was, like, early Parkour. We do, like, skateboard rooms without a skateboard. You, like, jump up on, like. Like, rails and, like, jump off of.

[B]

You just unlocked a memory from when I had guy friends in fifth grade. Oh, my God. Yes. I know exactly what you were talking about.

[A]

Yeah, you like. It's like. It's like skateboard parkour.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So I did. Was doing skateboard parkour. Didn't realize Keaton had followed behind me, and I spun, and I knocked her into the. I. I elbowed her in the face, and I broke her nose. So she's, like, bleeding out, like, fully. Like. Like, fully puffy. Like, it's like. It's, like, gruesome. And I was like. I was like. It just sort of, like, really Summed up my love life for the next, like, while, you know, were you like.

[B]

I'm so sorry, Kean.

[A]

Like, no, no, no. I mean, there's nothing to do. You just like, you ruined it in so many ways. She's all. She feels weird because, like, she's like, oh, it's fine. She was like trying to play it off and it was like, really not good.

[B]

Do you know where she is now?

[A]

Yeah, Keaton Keeaton lives in LA. She's. I think she works for the Jennifer Hudson show now.

[B]

Do you believe in fate?

[A]

Yes, I do.

[B]

I was just recently on the Jennifer Hudson show.

[A]

Do you know Keaton?

[B]

No. But I'll tell you about my experience on the Jennifer Hudson show. They sang me a song down the Spirit. Are you gonna go on the Jennifer Hudson show?

[A]

I don't have plans to, but I've been on there before. You know, what can I tell you about the Jennifer Hudson show? It's a really fun show I've been on. I've been. I really like her. I find the, the dance line to be very intimidating.

[B]

It was. That's all I. That was my dream. Like once I did the dance sign, I said, okay, I can be done now.

[A]

I spirit tunnel. I like a dance move. Like, like even Josh. I was at Josh's wedding. I would consider myself like a dance party starter. Oh, you are like, I. I feel like you get a couple drinks in me and you put me on a dance floor to wedding. I like really kick things off. I find the social like going. Doing a dance line, sort of like a tick tock dance line is just a little more pressure, of course. You know what I mean? That's.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Maybe I'd. Maybe I'd meet the occasion, but I'm not sure.

[B]

When I tell you you would meet the occasion, like, I can't describe the energy in that spirit tunnel. They go 1, 2, 3, and you go around the corner and everyone starts clapping and cheering.

[A]

I will say meeting the occasion that last night you. I was. We. We went on stage at Benson Boone and when they asked me in front of kind of Benson, hey, would you want to do this thing? And I was like, oh, like, you know, maybe. And. And like we. I kind of felt like awkward. So I was like, I. I don't know if I. I don't know if I'm. I'm up for this. And so it was really helpful. Your drinking game was extremely helpful to me getting on Benson Boone.

[B]

And can we talk about the merch?

[A]

The merch is great.

[B]

Red, white and Boone.

[A]

Only Austin, Texas served it up. It's not even their own merch.

[B]

You can't get that anywhere.

[A]

We have, like six of them here.

[B]

We do have six of them. If you get lucky, you can get one later. A red, white and Boone hat.

[A]

We went to Benson Boone last night. No, but we took a shot. We, like, drank every time he did a backflip.

[B]

Well, then, then they were like, okay, so you're going to come on stage, you're going to shoot out this T shirt. Glenn was like, okay, great. And then they're like, would you wear this jumpsuit? And I said, you know what? Like, Glenn, I like what you're wearing right now. And Kaia heard, like, do. Would you shoot out the T shirt? Kai is like, obviously, do it. It's going to be so fun. And I can't have an original thought or my own opinion to save my life. So I'm like, yeah, 100%. Like, you should wear the jumpsuit. Like, do whatever you need to do. Like where I obviously switched up on the moment and then Glenn came back and was like, are you guys sure about the jumpsuit? And I'm like, 100%.

[A]

Wear, like, a Benson Boon jumpsuit out there. I was like. I was like, I don't know if this feels like me, man. I'm like.

[B]

And Kai was like, jumpsuit? And I go, what? What are your what? And she goes, jumpsuit. And I'm like, well, we both just agreed that he should wear the jumpsuit. And she's like, no, we didn't. I said he should do the T shirt. And I'm like, oh, yeah, you shouldn't wear the jumpsuit.

[A]

That was so funny. I was like, I mean, you really did pitch me on that.

[B]

Yeah. Kai was like, it's gonna be so fun and silly. And I'm like, a hundred and ten percent.

[A]

I'm so glad I didn't wear the jumpsuit.

[B]

How long have we been talking about this weekend? For.

[A]

A while. I mean, like, I've been pitching you on Austin for a while and. And I've been telling you, you need to come to a Texas game in Austin for a really long time. I. I knew you were going to look probably pretty good in cowboy hat, but I didn't expect this.

[B]

I mean, I have chills.

[A]

When, when, when you put that hat on earlier today, I stopped. Time stopped. I was like. I was like, this man has been put into Austin for a reason.

[B]

Can I tell you, I've never put on jeans that fit right away. I put them on, I said. And then I said, okay, okay. Like, let's not get too ahead of ourselves. Let me try on the shoes. Everything fit like a glove. I'm meant to be here.

[A]

It's a solid vibe. I. This. This cowboy era of yours, you're like, I don't know what the cowboy. It's like Cowboy Shane. What's the. What's the. It's a. Not cowboy. Carter. We got. We got to figure out, like, a. A nickname for you.

[B]

My cowboy name?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You think there's like, a cowboy name Generator?

[A]

Shane's a good cowboy name.

[B]

Shane has a good cowboy name. Shane is if there's a cowboy name generator. I'll do that today.

[A]

All right. This will be your alter ego.

[B]

This is. This is how I like, you know how you can do, like, your porn star name.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What's yours? Like? It's what, your first street and your first dog. First dog.

[A]

Max Pickfair.

[B]

Max Pickfair. That's a good porn star name. Mine is Rert Fraser.

[A]

Rer. Fraser. You dirty dog.

[B]

Rert Fraser. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Rert Rer.

[B]

Yeah. We woke up one day, Rert was dead.

[A]

Oh, why?

[B]

We don't know. Still.

[A]

Wait, still?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Cold case of your dog.

[B]

I know. Wait.

[A]

Oh, he was old.

[B]

You went to ut?

[A]

Get away from your.

[B]

My dead dog. That I actually didn't know, but my parents talk about all the time. It's weird. You went to ut?

[A]

I did.

[B]

Did you enjoy college?

[A]

I loved college.

[B]

What was it like for you? Do you have any crazy stories? Like, what is your favorite story that you can share on air?

[A]

You know, a story I've never told anyone that I think about every time I go to the. To the Texas Stadium at Daryl K. Royal Stadium, which is like dkr, baby. One of my favorite dates in college is DKR was going through some construction at the time when I was. I was a freshman, and so there was. Like, the gates were a little lower and, like, it wasn't as fortified as it normally is. So I took a girl into the stadium late at night and I brought. I brought a vodka, some orange juice, and we basically had a picnic in the middle on the 50 yard line of the stadium and watched the sunrise, drinking screwdrivers.

[B]

Are you serious?

[A]

It's like. It's like a great little, like, romantic Austin memory I have where I'm like, yeah, that's like. That's like.

[B]

Yeah, that is really romantic. Did you go on a second date?

[A]

Yeah. No. We were friends throughout, like, all of college, but it Wasn't like. It wasn't like, one of those where you're like, okay, this is probably gonna go anywhere, but we're still friends.

[B]

And is she like. That was the best state of my life.

[A]

I don't know if she still talks about it. I guess I do.

[B]

That is really, really. That's, like, out of a rom com.

[A]

Yeah, it was like, a good. It was like, a good. Especially for, like, I grew up in Austin, and, like, I've been a Longhorn fan my whole life. Obviously. Like, my couches are burnt orange. It's like, you know, there's nothing more romantic to me than college football.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. I. I like, if. If a girl wears burnt orange, that.

[B]

That's it.

[A]

It's by far the sexiest color for me.

[B]

That's it. She has your heart.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

Wow. Okay. And so. Okay. And, like, when you have kids, are you gonna, like, be like, you have to, like, I want you guys to go to ut. Are you gonna, like, dress them in burnt orange?

[A]

I think it would just, like, when I. When I start to think about, like, other college existence, like, there's. There's no better place to go than the University of Texas. It is like, you're in Austin, Texas. You've experienced a little bit of Austin so far. I want to get you guys here for a little longer next time. But, like, to be in Austin, which is the greatest city in the world, to be, like, there's no better culture than ut. It's actually a great school. It's not like a party school. I mean, there's parties, but it's like, work hard, play hard, right? It's one of the best schools in the country. It's, like, phasing out Ivies now.

[B]

Is it really?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. It's like. It's like. It's, like, kicking Ivies off the list of, like, prestigious colleges, and a lot of the top professors in the country are coming here. So it's just like, one of those things, like, you have everything here.

[B]

Would you ever be on the board if they asked you?

[A]

The board of ut?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, I'd probably do that because I. I'm helping them try to build out the film program. I mean, because it's already. It's already a great film program, but I'm trying to make sure, like, we bring, you know, cool people to Texas.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And you can help me with that. You know what I mean? Like, you're bringing all the cool kids here.

[B]

Yeah, I will. But I will help you with that. Wait, so how can you talk about the bats?

[A]

Yes. We didn't get to see the bats.

[B]

We didn't get to see the bats. I'm still. Can I just tell you what I'm a little confused by What I remember is that you, Austin, has a mosquito problem.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And so back in the day, they. I actually, you know what? I'm not understanding the story. You know, it's gonna be.

[A]

Is this gonna be sort of like the urban legend I told last time on your podcast?

[B]

Oh, about the girl.

[A]

I don't know if it's totally true, but here we gotta go again. Let's saddle up.

[B]

I'm not sure.

[A]

I was like, I was like, no, this is a true story.

[B]

I was like, what?

[A]

You're like, you're like, hey, just want to fact check. Is that true? And I'm like, totally true.

[B]

And then the Internet was like, everyone was seeing that when my straight male friends called me and they were like, you were on my Twitter today. And I said, really?

[A]

It's me, like, totally buying into a story that I had. It's so funny.

[B]

By the way, I saw your sister at my show and she was like, no, that's true. That is true. I was told that the whole family.

[A]

That's the funniest part is we've been telling that story for literally years as it's fact. And we could. Like my little sister, like when I, when you asked me, you're like, hey, is that a. Is that a true story? And I was like, let me just ask my little sister. Double check. But I'm like, I'm almost positive. She's like, no, no, that's a true story. It happened to my like, pledge sister. I was like, okay, great. And then all of a sudden, just everybody checks you on it and they're like, that is not true. And I was like, so this mosquito story may or may not be true, but this is what I believe happened. Okay, so there's. There's mosquitoes in Texas, and they wanted to help with the mosquito problem, so they brought in a lot of bats to like help take down this mosquito problem. And so now we have a ton of bats, which is not a bad thing. It means you have a fewer bugs. But now there's 2 million bats under the Congress Bridge. And so like every night around 7:30 in the fall, the bats come out. So the sky kind of goes black and it's just like people gather on the bridge, grab drinks that are on the bridge and just like, watch the bats fly out.

[B]

You know what? As we're. As I'm hearing this story, I am confused on how they would transport 2 million bats to get rid of the mosquitoes.

[A]

It's happening again.

[B]

Like, you know what I mean? Like, because yesterday I was told that I was like, oh, period. Like, good for Austin. Like, they really figured that out. But now I'm like, how did they transport that many bats?

[A]

Look, I'm not into bat transport logistics.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Okay. There's got to be a bat guy. I mean, think about, like, if you transport anything, have you ever been, like, on the side of the road and you see, like, those, like, reptile farms?

[B]

You know?

[A]

What?

[B]

No.

[A]

No, they don't have that. What? What? You ever seen those? Yeah, you, like, go on the side of the road. It's like reptiles. You can go and see, like, alligators and snakes and stuff. You've never seen this?

[B]

They have this in Los angeles, maybe.

[A]

Not LA. It's probably like more of a Texas, LA thing. If you and I take a road trip.

[B]

Don't play with me.

[A]

We. We'll go. We'll go to one of these reptile farms on the side of the road. It's like, you can literally see just, like, just rednecks that just have, like, reptiles hanging out in their house. It's like, the weirdest thing.

[B]

You actually want to go on a road trip?

[A]

Yeah. We should go on a road trip.

[B]

I would love that.

[A]

You gotta wear the hat.

[B]

I would literally dress up in whatever. That sounded way worse when it came out of my mouth.

[A]

But, yeah. I'm not really sure about bat logistics. I mean, I'm not sure how you would transport bats, but there's got to be a guy, right? There's a guy for everything.

[B]

There must be. And where'd your siblings go? Did they all go to UT as well?

[A]

My. My older sister Lauren went to A M, which is Texas A M, so that's like College Station. That's a fun school. And then my little sister Leslie went to ut. All my cousins went to ut. My. My grandparents met at ut.

[B]

Oh, so you're, like, from a UT Love Story.

[A]

Yeah. Everybody, like, game days have always just been the. The thing that brings my family together. No one misses it every Saturday.

[B]

So what am I about to experience at this game day?

[A]

Well, in. In about an hour, all my, like, a bunch of my friends are going to come over. We're gonna. We're gonna pre game here. The college pre game's good, so I'm gonna teach you the Texas fight song.

[B]

What's one of them.

[A]

So this is Texas fight Texas. Fine. Let's put over one more win. Texas Fight Texas 5. Force Texas that we love best. Give him hell. Give him hell. Make them eat.

[B]

So I'm gonna be honest. That's like a whole verse.

[A]

No, no, you're gonna be fine. We'll get there. But that is.

[B]

Give them hell. Give him hell.

[A]

You could say, I think. What's the. What's the original lyrics? Go, horns, go.

[B]

Go, horns, go.

[A]

But when you're in, like, if you're. If you're a few drinks and you say, make them eat.

[B]

Okay, so how much of Chad Powers was based off of your college experience?

[A]

Well, I mean, a lot of it came from my love of college football.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like, I always, like, felt like when you go to, like, a football game in the south, like, people, like, you're gonna experience. It's, like, way more fun than an NFL game because, like, people are just going buck wild. You're going to be. It's a night game, so people are like, they tailgate all day, and they're just, like, really passionate. It's, like, the best. So, like, when I was a kid, Texas won the national championship when I was a sophomore in high school, and. And I, like, went down on the UT campus and we, like, danced on top of cars. They lit the tower up like orange. It was just like. It was just like one of those that you're like, this is the. It's the. It's the most fun. So I was trying to go, how can I take all that fun of college football and put it in a show? And so when Eli and Peyton were like, hey, what would you do with this? I. You know, my buddy Michael Waldron and I just, like, came up with this idea that was kind of like Mrs. Doubtfire in the world of college football.

[B]

How could I forget the best part of the pitch, when you are. When you see Glenn or Russ Holiday in the show, sees the open tryouts for the Georgia team, he looks up because he's transporting the prosthetics for his dad, looks up and sees a Mrs. Doubtfire poster.

[A]

Yeah, we just had to hang a lantern on exactly what we were doing. That was like, the whole thing is, like, you decided, okay, let's just call it out. We're doing Mrs. Doubtfire in college football.

[B]

I. Was it, like. Was it one of your most fulfilling and fun projects to ever film?

[A]

It's just like, you know, look, my job is just to entertain people. Like, I think a lot of people get, like, in their head about, like, it being. Trying to be cool or whatever it is, like, awards. You. Like, for me, like, I try to make what I would watch, and this is a show that I would totally watch. It's like. It's like. It's fun. It's heartfelt, it's cinematic. It's got, like, you know, we. We spent a lot of time making sure the football was real, that the comedy was actually funny. Like, nobody on the show was, like, phoning it in. And it was really fun because we all had a blast. But I find myself. I find that I'm happiest on a set when I'm surrounded by smart people who are just, like, don't take themselves too seriously, right?

[B]

And it was just a fun time.

[A]

The best, like, the greatest, greatest cast. Great writers room, just.

[B]

Were you in the writers room?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What's a writer's room?

[A]

Like, a writer's room is basically a group of people. So Michael Waldron and I came up with the show, and we took Eli's concept, and we, like. You were like, okay, here's what we think we would do. We sort of outline generally where we want the show to go. Like, where it stops, where it ends. And the. You kind of. You kind of just outline, like, what. Because you write all these characters, and the writers room kind of gets together and says, okay, like, what is the most exciting version of all this? And so it's basically just a lot of smart people, funny people. I'm in. I'm in the writers room right now, and it's like, it's just the fun, best group of people that everybody's there to, like, put their heads together. It's like a fun team sport. Like, that's what I love about this business at its best. It's like, you have fun people who are talented and they get in a room, and you try to just make the best thing you possibly can. But, like, our writers room was like. Like, top of the top. We had, like, everybody wanted to be a part of the show. It was cool.

[B]

Wow. Wait, so we were talking last night, though. Weren't we talking about this last night in the car? Like, when we were like, when. When we see a show or a movie, it's like, what's the why?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What do you think Chad Powers is why is.

[A]

I think the why? I mean, one of the things that I. I'm not going to say who it was, but there was. I was at a party, and I. I, you know, show up the party, and there was somebody that had basically been on the Ropes in terms of sort of getting canceled, right? And there's like, you know, it's kind of a big public. It was one of those Hollywood parties where it's like, there are cameras and press and all that stuff. And this person had made a lot of some of my favorite movies. And I was like, oh, like, this is. This is great. Like, and he came up and he said, nice to meet you. Such. I was like, oh, dude, big fan. And then a photographer said, like, hey, can we take a picture of the two of you guys? And this person was recently canceled. And it's like, it was. It was like, as of late, not good. I was a fan of their work, but not a fan of their. Their choices, right? So I was just kind of being nice. But then when you. Your. They want to take a picture with you, I realized very quickly how, like, I was like, oh, I don't know if this is a good idea. He clearly clocked that I was like, this is probably not a good idea. And I realized I was like, this guy, his face is toxic. You know, like, going out of the world. Like, people are having a visceral reaction to this person in terms of the. The bad choices they've made, right? And, you know, the. The character that I play in Chad, it's like, Russ Holiday is a guy that just made a mistake, right? He's not a bad guy. Some of these other people that get canceled, they should. They should lie where they're. They're. They're shot. But. But where. Where. But. But like, with Russ, he made a mistake. He acted, you know, poorly about it, and. And. And the world kind of didn't forgive him, and he couldn't forgive himself. And what I found to be really interesting is that in today's day and age, like, there's a lot of, like, the. The cancel culture is just sort of a. A thing. And like, how. How the world doesn't really let you forget your mistakes. You know, we talk about with phones, you know, with Tick tock and Instagram. It's like, so many people make mistakes, and the Internet doesn't let you forget, right? And I found it to be interesting how people react to those moments. You know, what they double down on. Do they take accountability in those moments? Do they. They, you know, believe in conspiracy theories? Do they blame other people? Do they do all this other stuff? And I found that, like, just having a character that's, like, learning to say I'm sorry, learning to say, like, I wish I would have done it differently, all those things Is like, a really beautiful thing, because especially when you do go through those moments, like, I think we've probably all gone through life or we just want to have a different face. Like, we don't like ourselves. We don't, like, want to do that. And I feel like the fresh start, it sort of like, creates an underdog story, which is just a blank slate of somebody who goes, hey, I made a bunch of mistakes, and I just want to do it better this time. And this guy, Chad Powers, kind of offers him a second chance to do the thing he loves, you know?

[B]

Yeah. And it's also really, really funny.

[A]

Yeah, it's great.

[B]

Was there ever a scene that you, like, couldn't get through without laughing?

[A]

There's a scene. There's a scene, that shower scene that you. You were talking about, where I basically am talking. Russ Holiday says, like, he, He, He. He pretends like he's really good at improv. He's like, I don't need to, like, worry about backstory of, like, creating this character, Chad Powers, because, like, I got it. And so he. The coach asked him why he's not showering with his teammates. And Chad is basically makes up. He's. He's at, you know, you know, my. My. You know, my P hole. It's.

[B]

It's big.

[A]

It's just far too big. And if water gets up there, you know, I could fall ill. It's just like, so it's like, it just like, pehole lie off the. Check off the bat. And, like, it was the funniest scene because, like, I don't think I was like, Steve Zahn is like, who plays the coach, right? You know, Coach Hudson, who's, like, brilliant, is one of my. He's one of the funniest people on the planet. His reactions were, like, killing me. And also, I don't think I was expecting to see in his coverage, like, behind him, there's, like, a bunch of naked guys that are actually in the shower.

[B]

Right?

[A]

So I was, like, talking about P holes and there's, like, a bunch of naked guys. Yeah, Steve's on. It was just, like, a lot. It was. It was too much.

[B]

Right?

[A]

It was too much at the same time. But the show is like, I'm really proud of the show. I think it's like, I've showed it to a variety of different people. I like, when I'm making something, I like to show people all across the board to just get a sense of, like, how it's being received and who it's being received by. And it's basically, like, 100. Everybody loves it.

[B]

It's amazing.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Congratulations.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you.

[B]

Can we talk about Running Man?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I visited you on the set of Running man in London, and you taught me how to do stunts.

[A]

Yes. The. The one thing that so. So Jake came to visit me on Running man, and I. I was in the middle of learning some stunt choreography where I get basically hit by these, like, goons. And I was very impressed by your ability.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I really was. I was like, dude, you what? We. What, we do it for three minutes?

[B]

Yeah, something like three minutes.

[A]

And you picked up the whole. Like, the whole choreography?

[B]

Yeah, it was amazing. And I've never. There's, like, a scene on a plane, and, like, there. They literally built an entire plane to.

[A]

Shoot the whole thing on on, like, a gimbal so they could, like, make it drop and spin and all that stuff.

[B]

So that was scary. When you would sit, like, video village or what? Not Video Village, but, like, the people, like, hair and makeup and whatever would sit towards the back of the plane to, like, run in after the shot and. And, like, the whole thing would shake and drop. I felt like I was on a roller coaster.

[A]

People were, like, puking. It was like. It was like. It's like, in theory, it was great, but the thing is, once it goes up on the gimbal, you're sort of removed. So people can't, like, get on and off the plane.

[B]

Yeah, I couldn't get off.

[A]

So everybody's, like, stuck on the plane while it's doing all these things. So I'm doing a fight scene in, like, a moving airplane that's dropping out of the sky and rolling and all this stuff. And so, yeah, everybody was getting sick that it was not. It was like, I was in there for three weeks in this fight scene.

[B]

You were? No, you weren't. The plane took three weeks.

[A]

Three weeks.

[B]

That was a lot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Are you excited for people to see Running Man?

[A]

It's so good. It's really good. Yeah. So, I mean, we're locking that in the next couple days, but we've been. You know, there's do this thing called testing, where they, like, put it up in front of, like, random audiences in, like, New Jersey or Vegas, whatever, and just, like, across the board, people are loving it, so.

[B]

That's amazing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I feel like you didn't have a single break in the past year. Did you have any moments to, like, chill?

[A]

I think that's been, like. The weird part about this latest thing is, like, I'm having A great time. Like, I'm like, I'm getting to make great stuff with great people. And the casts are like, been awesome. It is like a wild pace, right? Like, it's a. I don't think. I mean, you know how it is. It's like when, whenever, like there's like kind of momentum and stuff. Stuff.

[B]

And you're like, I want to keep it going.

[A]

Yeah, well, you work your ass off like your whole life, you know. Like, I've been doing this since I was 10 years old. You know, Spy Kids was like, like, you know, I did Music Man. I showed. We drove by where I did my first play when I was like 10 years old. I did Music man there. And like, I wanted to act like every day since then. And so it's really hard to get people to put you in stuff, you know, it's really hard to like, get that. To be able to stand on your two feet or feel like you're actually going to be able to make this your living. So like all of a sudden you get there and like when things start working and all of a sudden you're able to do this, it's really hard to kind of like, you know, find. Find the happy medium. I'm doing it now where I can like find the personal life, like work life, balance. But it's like to be like, I think I didn't really expect. It's like to be the lead of a movie is an everyday thing because you're working on a script. You're. You're like, like Running man, like, right. You're. You're doing. You're in the script with the director. Like, you're boarding things. You're working with the stunt people. You're. You're. You're sort of like ensuring the movie along with everybody else. So it doesn't really allow a lot of time for like your own, your own stuff. So your life does. That's why I bring like my family and friends on set.

[B]

I feel like the past year has been in like crazy for you even since we last spoke on this show. Like, everything took off that summer in like, ways that it hadn't before. And you became so much more visual as well to like, the rest, like, and not visible. Sorry, visible to the rest of the world. Like, what were you expecting that.

[A]

Or, you know, what's, you know, what's really weird is it kind of is I. After that summer, right? So, like, it was like the summer of like, you know, Hitman and Twisters and all that stuff. And I I did that press tour, and then I went back to work. Right. So I went and shot Chad Powers, and then I went. Actually, I did an A24 movie, Chad Powers Running man, and then this J.J. abrams movie all back to back. So I really haven't been out in the real world in a weird way. Like, I know that sounds crazy, but, like. Yeah, like, even just, like, us walking around Austin, some of this still throws me a bit because it really hasn't changed my life because I'm on set. Like, you're. You're around. Oh, it's like a very. Sets. A very normalizing place.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And you were also in London for so long.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You shot in London, which is a different culture than America. Yeah, I mean, obviously. But, like, you know, like, I think, like, the fandom culture is, like, way more prevalent here.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so, like, walking out. And so is this, like, really your first kind of time experiencing, like, what. How everything has changed has actually affected your day to day?

[A]

Yeah, I think. I think this is like, the first time where I'm kind of. Like, these last few weeks have actually been really interesting because, like, I. I haven't. I haven't been out in front of it, even, like, us, like, get dinner all together last night.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I'm still trying to figure out the rules of, like, how to, like, protect the people at your table, like, your friendships, like, your fan, like, your family. You're like, how do you. How do you. How do you be a human where you're like. Because it's so cool when people come up and it's, like, so nice when people are, like, fans and they watch your stuff and all that. Like, I. I still am like, oh, wow. I remember the first time anyone saw anything, and I couldn't believe it. You know, like, the. The first time that ever happened, it was like. I think it was expendables or something like that. And so when some. Someone comes up, you're like, whoa, this is. This is really cool. I think it's just hard because if. If you. I'm developing kind of rules around the experience to try to, like, just make it. Like, I'm just trying to be able to do it in a healthy way, which is not. Not like, it's easier said than done.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

And what's a healthy way for you?

[A]

Like, when we were at dinner, I was like, I would. If somebody comes up at dinner, I'll say, like, hey, where are you sitting? And. And they'll point it out. And then I'll say, okay, I'll take a picture with you. Do you mind we do it on the way out when I'm like walking.

[B]

Out and you did remember the table.

[A]

You remember you go there afterwards and you take a picture. But if you do it while you're sitting down, it's sort of. Everybody will see that you're sort of open for business.

[B]

Got it?

[A]

And then we can't hang out and have a good time. So that, that's my, that's my sort of new rule at dinner is I'll say I'll find you. And I mean it. Like I will. I will go find your table afterwards, I'll go take a picture. But like, if I don't. If I like if we do it there, then, then sort of like night's over.

[B]

Hey guys, as you know, I've been working with Bumble these past few weeks. And recently I asked you to help revamp my profile. So first things first. I finally got verified on Bumble so people knew it was me. But now I'm going to go through my profile and tell you guys what I am changing. Okay, so these are my pictures. The first one is of me in blue pants and a white T shirt. And everyone said that I should get rid of that. And I kind of agree. I think I'm gonna switch to a more recent photo. One of the tips Momo gives is to lead with a clear solo photo. But obviously it's important to add friends in as well. My bio is rating and reviewing octopus around the world and being miserable at all times of the day. I actually think I'm going to keep the rating reviewing octopus around the world because that is still true to me today. And I think I'm going to take out the miserable miserable part. Even though I am miserable, I just don't think it's aided in my love search. A few people did wr in and tell me that that would scare people off and I. I do agree. About me. 5, 3, active undergraduate degree, wants kids, Scorpio, etc. Great. My interest, dancing, making videos, gym, concert, sleeping well. Pretty true to me today. You guys agreed? I think I'm gonna keep it. Second photo, I think I'm gonna change it to a photo with me and my friends. Maybe a photo of me and my friends on tour. I think that shows my more recent life. My personal hell is not smoking until 6pm as you guys me, I no longer smoke anymore. So that has to change. I'm going to change it to a different prompt. God, this is me and my Friend Tom. I don't know. I don't know if I want to change it, but I don't want to put two friend photos in a row. So maybe I'll move it down. My mental health game changer was Big pharma still true. And you guys all thought that was quite funny. So I'm gonna keep that also. Another tip from Bumble is to keep your answers meaningful. And I think medication and anxiety and stuff is very meaningful to me and mental health. So I'm gonna keep that. This next photo is me on the beach and you all told me that my feet were buggin out a bit. So I think I'm going to change this to something else. I get way too excited about myself. You all thought that was funny and it is very true. So I'm going to keep that. And then this last photo is three years old, so I'm going to change it probably to me on my most recent trip to New York. There's a photo of me that I can use or maybe me on tour. And here is my refreshed Bumble profile. Some of the same prompts, some different photos. Save me, Bumble. I love you. I can't wait to hopefully find love. This episode of Therapists is brought to you by booking.combooking. yeah. Okay, so right now it is about to be football season. Okay. There's a lot of people traveling for games in college, out of college, whatever. When I was in college, it was so difficult to plan these games and I could never go because it was so difficult. Difficult to find a place that everybody could stay, depending on what the hotel had, like if it had what you needed, if it was in the location you wanted, all of that. And so with booking.com it actually makes it so easy to book because everybody can put in their different needs. I never go on group trips because finding a place that suits all of us is so difficult. But if somebody wants a king bed, if somebody wants a queen bed, if somebody wants a shower, if somebody wants a tub, if somebody wants a terrace, if somebody wants walkable, you put all these things in and it shows you the rooms that have it all. I really stand by the fact that I think the hardest part about booking a trip is figuring out where you're gonna stay. You know, flights, you always find a flight, you always find activities to do. But finding a home base is so hard. And booking.com makes finding a home base for your trip so easy. They also have vacation rentals, like house, house and apartment rentals. They also have you can rent cars if you drive, and you need a car for vacation, like, they really have everything you need to make your vacation as full as you need it to be. Or even if you're going solo because you want to know that the hotel or the place you're staying at has exactly what you need. Find exactly what you're booking for on booking.combooking. yeah. Do you remember the first time anyone ever asked you for a photo or an autograph? Anything?

[A]

You know, the funniest thing was. But I. I. It h. When I was on this set of Expendables, my mom. My mom. I got my mom a cameo on. On Expendable.

[B]

They have cameos in all your films, right?

[A]

So my mom has. My parents have a cameos. My mom has a great one. You haven't seen it yet, but episode four, in Chad Powers, my mom's plays the moaning woman.

[B]

Moaning woman.

[A]

The moaning woman. She's. But I. I get kind of hurt in the. In the episode, and we're at the hospital, and I. The writers room came up with this. This character where there's a woman in the hospital who, like, has no apparent injuries, but she's just, like, moaning in the waiting room. And I was like, this is such a good role for my mom.

[B]

That's amazing.

[A]

So. So my mom was like. I said, hey, Mom, I got you a role in episode four. She's like, oh, my God, I'm so excited. What am I playing? I'm like, you're playing the moaning woman. She's like, what? What? Wasn't happy about that. But I was like, we got past it. And then she goes, all right, so what do I need to do? I want to do a really good job. And I said, I think it's gonna just be fun. Like, we're just gonna play whatever. Just, like, good, you know? Like, we'll be good. So she was like, no, I want to do a really good job. So she would send me videos of her moaning. So my mom is like, is this a good moan? Is this a good moment? I'm like, man, I think that's good. And my little sister would hit me up. She's like, hey, my mom. Mom wants to, like, do moaning coaching today. I'm not kidding. So my mom was, like, taking this so seriously. And there was a time where I was, like, walking down the sidewalk. My mom sent me, like, you know, you're on the go. You're just, like, opening your text, watching, you know, the videos. So my mom sent me a video of her moaning, oh, God. And. And. And I was like, walking down the sidewalk and, like, I realized that I was like. It sounded like I was just like, watching porn. Just like everybody, like, around me is like, what is he watching? Like, this is terrible. So anyway, my mom has a great cameo. She absolutely crushed it.

[B]

You see a good job.

[A]

Crushed it.

[B]

Does anyone else in your family have a cameo?

[A]

My dad has a cameo with Eli Manning. So Eli makes a cameo.

[B]

Oh, was he like, this is amazing.

[A]

And my dad is a coach next to Eli, which is great. And then, yeah, they're. They're like. So they're. They're in everything. But my mom was doing a cameo with. In Expendables 3. So Mel Gibson's the bad guy in Expendables 3. So I got her as, like, part of, like, the. Like, the group around Mel Gibson, you know, during. During that scene. And so all of a sudden, this guy came up, he said, do you mind taking a picture? And I was like, oh, like, it's like my first. Like, somebody recognizes me. This is cool. And then he hands me the camera and takes a pic. Asked me to take a picture of my mom.

[B]

No way. Does he recognize your mom?

[A]

Yeah, because she's. She was in front of the camera. I wasn't even working that day. I just brought my mom to set to be do her cameo. So he didn't even know I was in the movie.

[B]

And that was your first experience with that?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How old were you?

[A]

24. 24.

[B]

Did you enjoy your 20s?

[A]

I did, I did. I really, like, honestly, being in LA, like, in your 20s and also, like, I don't know, LA's, like, kind of LA goes through, like, these different phases, right?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

One of my. My best buddies in the world is Guy Cord Overstreet. And Cord was on the show Glee.

[B]

Do I know.

[A]

So, like, we both auditioned for Glee.

[B]

No, wait, sorry.

[A]

We both watched you audition Sam Evans.

[B]

Trouty mouth.

[A]

Trouty mouth. I mean, it wasn't trouty mouth at the time. Right. So it turned into trouting mouth with Cord. Okay. But it was really just Sam Evans. It was like, just a. But we were both in the waiting room at the same time because we were buddies. We met in acting class. We were like pals for a really long time, you know, like, so it was like we were close and then we were down to the wire on Sam Evans and he got it and. But, like, he's still one of my best friends. We were about to be roommates, so we moved in together as he Went on this like, crazy Glee ride, which was like, kind of wild to be one of your best friends in the world. To be like, to watch him kind of go through that thing. It was like pretty crazy to be around because it was also like the biggest show in the world. I think a lot of people remember that.

[B]

Everybody forgets how everywhere Glee was, they.

[A]

Were selling out stadiums of, of.

[B]

Yeah. Glean Tour.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did you see on tour?

[A]

Of course.

[B]

I didn't get to go because I threw a temper tantrum and my mom wouldn't buy me the tickets. Wow.

[A]

That's what you get.

[B]

I know, I know. How was Glee on tour?

[A]

It was epic.

[B]

What he sang.

[A]

He sang Billionaire Stop. Yeah, that was the audition song.

[B]

No, it wasn't. So you sang Billionaire in the audition?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No way.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Dude, wait.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. It's so funny, like, looking back, like when you look back on the things that like you auditioned for, like, Glee was one of those that every once in a while you have an audition, you're like, wow. If, you know, your life kind of changes, you know, and to watch Cord, like go on that ride was like, I mean, his, he was, he couldn't go anywhere.

[B]

So do you remember was it literally after the first episode he was in, everything shifted?

[A]

I remember it was even before, during his casting. It was like a big casting. Like everybody in town was auditioning for this. So like all of a sudden he got it and it was like all of LA like changed around him really.

[B]

Everyone was like, oh, you're in Glee now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, wow. Were, was it awkward when you found out you didn't get the role, but he got the role, you know, Look.

[A]

I mean, not really. I, I, I don't know. I, I, I feel like I've always had like a long term perspective about these things. Like, things are sort of, I don't know, maybe. I think my dad is like incredibly zen about just the kind of the ups and downs of life. And I grew up with like a very, I don't know, well adjusted family and I, I've never been competitive with other people. I've been competitive with myself. Like, if I, I don't ever, like, if I don't get something, I don't ever curse the other person's name. I always curse myself being like, I remember I auditioned for the Longest Ride. Do you remember that one? The cowboy one? The, the one Scott Eastwood. Do you remember that one? It was like a Nicholas Sparks. Do you know this one, right? He's like a bull rider. Of course you Don't. You don't know. Come on. Hold on. You.

[B]

You.

[A]

I need to.

[B]

This is like a really famous poster.

[A]

For the Longest Ride.

[B]

Nicholas Sparks. Oh, Notebook.

[A]

He, he, he, he was the author of the Notebook. Hold on.

[B]

Oh, my God. Is Channing Tatum in this?

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay, I'll say.

[A]

But it was like, it was like one of those, like, there was like the Nicholas Sparks boom. And like, I remember I just like got in that audition and I totally crashed.

[B]

What do you mean crossed?

[A]

Like, just couldn't do the job. Like, sometimes you just like get in your head and as an actor, every actor's had it happen in an audition, like, where you got to come ready to play. And I've had you have auditions. Like my Friday Night Lights audition. Like, I just.

[B]

So sorry.

[A]

I just wanted it too much and I just literally, I.

[B]

Who did you audition for in Friday Night Lights?

[A]

I auditioned for. My original audition here in Austin was Tim Riggins.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

I auditioned for Tim.

[B]

What did you read? What do you remember?

[A]

It was, it was the, it was the, um, Me Street Forever in Texas. That, that bit, that was the scene. That was the audition scene. But I mean, like, Taylor Kitsch obviously, like smoked that role. It was like iconic. Like, I was also in high school. Those guys were all like mid-20s playing high school. Like, they, they looked the part. Like I, I was not a cool looking Tim Riggins in high school, even though I was playing high school football.

[B]

And you thought like, this, I've got this. Like this.

[A]

No Tim Riggins. Like, whenever you see, like, who gets these things, you're like, okay, that actually makes more sense. Then I, I auditioned for another role that was like the quarterback audition for two different quarterbacks, like J.D. mcCoy and something else. But like, then, then I was kind of at an age where I was like, okay, I could, I could do this. And I just crashed both times.

[B]

Really? Like, what does a crash look like? Like, you forget your life looks like we're just.

[A]

It's like an out of body experience. Like being an actor, like, you have to be really present. Like, you have to kind of like be plugged in and kind of just like there's a relaxation to acting that you sort of have to have. Like, you have to be really settled. It's like a weird job because you're in front of all these people and yet it has to be like, very private. It has to feel very intimate. And I was just so hyper aware that this was like a job that I wanted too much.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so I was like, Aware of everybody in the room. You're aware of all these things happening. And I just like, I couldn't, I couldn't settle into it.

[B]

And did you make it past the first round?

[A]

Yeah, I was like, it was like it was close on. On both of them.

[B]

Shut.

[A]

Yeah, like really close. Like I was with Pete Berg in the room. Chemistry read style. Like it was, it was full on.

[B]

Did you ever end up watching Friday Night Lights?

[A]

Oh, yeah, I watched all of it. I loved it. I mean, it's a brilliant show. It's one of the best shows ever, I think.

[B]

You know what? And I'm not even kidding, I kind of agree.

[A]

Yeah, it's, it's.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think there's any other show that just like, it's a. It's such a good depiction of like American life.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In like a small town. It takes place where? In Texas. Where in Texas?

[A]

It takes place in. I mean, in the original was Odessa Permian. Was the football team in the movie. This was a place called Dylan.

[B]

Dylan, Texas. And you know, it's crazy that I don't know that, cuz I dressed up as Tim Riggins for three Halloweens in a row.

[A]

You were Tim Riggins? Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No way. What age?

[B]

22, 23. Did you have like 24? No, I wore a shirt and I had a football and I put stuff under. No, I had a jersey. The eye black puts the eye black. I had a football and I would pose like this.

[A]

Very Tim Riggins.

[B]

Yeah. Yep. Essentially. What's your favorite TV show of all time?

[A]

Favorite TV show of all time? That's a great question. When I was a kid, I loved Fresh Prince of Bel Air. I had this thing like Warner. The WB was like, I guess the CW back in the day and it was like.

[B]

But is that where the Mary Kate and Ashley show was on?

[A]

I watched every Mary Kate nationally movie ever. I had two sisters and I could quote ever. Pretty much any Mary Kate and Ashley movie. I'd play that game with you, actually. If you brought a quote out for Mary Kate and Ashley, I bet I could tell you which movie it's from. My. The most star.

[B]

Please.

[A]

The most starstruck I've ever been. Do you guys. You ever see the movie Billboard Dad? No, that's Kai Gerber.

[B]

What is Billboard Dad?

[A]

All right, I'm gonna. So you pitch Chad Powers, I'll pitch Billboard dad.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So Billboard dad is about Mary Kate and Ashley play these two girls. Their dad is like a sculptor in like Venice Beach, I think. And he's, like, the ultimate catch, but he's not putting himself out there. So they decide to put up a billboard in L. A of their dad being like, hey, I'm single. And then, like, all these women come out of the woodwork, and they're trying to set their dad up, right? So when I was like, this must have been 10 years ago, I'm in the Apple Store, and, you know, you get your stuff fixed, you know, you're at the Genius Bar, whatever, and you're sitting there, they're taking forever, and you're like, damn it. Like, I'm just, like, waiting here. All of a sudden, Billboard dad comes and sits next to me, and we were, like, just stuck at the Genius Bar together. But I was like, this is one of the coolest celebrity interactions ever.

[B]

Did you say you are Billboard Dad?

[A]

I wanted to. I did not.

[B]

You did not?

[A]

No.

[B]

That's respectful.

[A]

Yeah. I watched It Takes Two a lot.

[B]

Holiday in the Sun.

[A]

Holiday in the Sun. Great. One Passport box.

[B]

Passport to Paris.

[A]

What was the Double, Double Double.

[B]

Don't even play with me. Yeah, the. The whole.

[A]

The Halloween one. Great.

[B]

And then what else? What? What else?

[A]

When you dress up as Juni Cortez from Spy Kids 3. We also should watch Double Double Toil in Trouble.

[B]

Is he in Double Double Toilet?

[A]

It's gonna be Halloween.

[B]

Yep. Okay, done. New York Minute.

[A]

New York Minute's a great one.

[B]

Oh, my God. So undercover. Wait, no, sorry.

[A]

No wonder.

[B]

Cover is like a. Yeah, sorry, sorry. So, but what's the one where they. That's a witness protection. What's the witness protection one? You. The Mary Kay and Ashley are witness. Are in witness protection in Australia.

[A]

Oh. Not Thunder Down Under. It's like, Undercover down under is that.

[B]

It's like, our lips are sealed. Our lips are sealed.

[A]

Our lips are sealed.

[B]

Wow. Have you ever met the Olsen twins?

[A]

No.

[B]

Would you fangirl.

[A]

For sure. I mean, because I also watched, like, I also watched, like, Full House. Full House. So it's like, Full House was, like, big. So even, like, getting, like, John Stamos is now one. Like, my family's. Like, my John Stamos was at my sister's wedding, you know? Like, he's like family, you know? And so it's like. It's wild. Like, you know, because we became really close on Scream Queens.

[B]

I forgot he was on Scream Queens.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When you were filming Scream Queens, were you, like, yeah, this is iconic. Or did you not, like, process until it came out?

[A]

You know what I remember about Scream? Because while you're Shooting it. So this was, like, a weird moment in the show, which is, like, it's now become, like, kind of cult status. Like, a lot of people have kind of watched it since. So the amount of people that come up to me about Scream Queens now is, like, way more than when it was on. Right. And so when it came out, or, like, we made it, you know, it's like Ryan Murphy. It's like Emma Roberts and Lea Michelle and, like, Ariana Grande, and, like, it was like. It was like Jamie Lee Curtis, like, a huge, crazy cast. So they were, like, expecting this thing to be, like, a big, big show.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And then it came out. I remember our social numbers were the biggest they've ever been for any show. Like, the day of. And then the show came out and, like, no one watched it. And I remember, like, the texts were, like, congratulatory text the night before. And then it came out and the numbers came out, and there was like, wait, how did no one watch the show when the whole world was talking about it? And it was kind of like. It was a very interesting vibe because, like, we kind of got picked up for a second season, but it was like, we kind of sputtered and just got there. But, like, I was so proud of that show. Like, the show is hysterical. So good. Like, it's such a great premise, and it was like everybody on the show killed it. But it's like, it reminds you, like, you can't dance before you get in the end zone. That's another Chad Powers thing.

[B]

Wow. How full circle was that?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a phrase I say all the time. Like, people are like, oh, man, congratulations. I'm like, don't dance before you get in the end zone.

[B]

When is the time in your life that you've danced before you got in the end zone?

[A]

That's a great question. Great question.

[B]

Well, you kind of set it up for me.

[A]

I mean, what's yours?

[B]

What a good question. Okay. I'm trying to think. So every day of my life, I do that. So I'm trying to think. Oh, are you nodding? Okay, so I'm trying to think of a time that I. Louise, what's a time that I've danced before I got in the end zone? Oh, my God. I. I thought, why? There was this role that I was. I'm trying to think. And I was this. This close to it, and I was essentially telling people I got it. And. And then, like, I was like. Like, celebrating. Not celebrating, but, like. Like, I think I got pinned for the role.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And I'd never gotten pinned for a role before, so I was like, oh, I have it. It's mine. And so I was like, oh, this is amazing. Like, I think I'm getting this role. They asked from what dates I was available, and then they were like, actually, you did not get that role. So that's a time that I danced before I got in the end zone, but not, like, I'm trying to think of, like, a time that was, like, really, like, and truly, like, apparent.

[A]

I did this on Divergent. Do you remember the movie Divergent?

[B]

You. Are you serious?

[A]

I, I, I, I was pinned or whatever. I was like, for who? Peter. The Miles Teller role. Oh, the Peter.

[B]

My God. By the way, one of the greatest movie soundtracks of all time.

[A]

Yeah, that was.

[B]

That was of all time.

[A]

That was. What's the, what's the name? Run, boy. Run. The. Is that the one? Oh, no, they did not. Wood. Kid. Wood. Kid.

[B]

Wood. Kid.

[A]

I think that's the name of the, the artist that was, like, the M8.3 did it. Oh, M83 was also part of the soundtrack. Yeah.

[B]

Ellie Goldling was on it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, it had some bangers.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. That was a killer soundtrack.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But, yeah, I was like, I thought. I fully thought I was getting that one, and I did. I did the mistake, which I never do now. I don't talk about when I'm up for something.

[B]

Okay, you don't.

[A]

I'm. I'm not, like, superstitious now, but I, like, I realize until the deal is done, anything can happen until you're on set. By the way, I've had friends that have been on sets, what they shoot, they start shooting and they pull the plug. Do you ever hear the crazy story about Back to the Future now? So there's this guy who was the original lead of Back to the Future. Right. His name is. He's now a really big television director. I'll think of it a second. He. But he was the. He was originally cast in. In the leading Back to the Future and Eric Stoltz. Eric Stoltz. So he. And you literally can see footage of Eric Stoltz in Back to the Future. Like what? Exactly. Exactly, like, doing the exact same frames, the exact same setups, all that stuff, and it's just a different guy. And they fired him halfway through. They were just like, it's not working. So he was, like, fully filming the movie. So it's always in the back of my head, like, until you have the movie in the can, like, you can always be Replaced.

[B]

Have you ever experienced being cut on the cutting room floor?

[A]

Yeah, I remember I did this movie called the Wendell Baker Story, right? So it was Lucos, Luke Wilson, Owen Wilson, Will Ferrell, Eva Mendez. It was, like, a great cast. Kris Kristofferson. It was. It was cool. And so I play this paper boy in the movie. And, like, I even. I was, like, practicing like crazy to be like, this stunt is basically. I'm driving down the street. I have this kind of, like, combative relationship with Luke Wilson in the movie, and I basically throw a paper and, like. Like, just with him and, like, throw papers right at him. And so I practiced this, like, stunt around, and he's supposed to hit me with his car, right? Bump me from behind. So I had this crazy day with Luke Wilson. This is like. This is like peak Luke Wilson. Post, like, you know, post, like. What's the. What's the fraternity movie?

[B]

American Pie.

[A]

No, no. What's the fraternity. Why am I blanking right now? My brain is totally shot after Benson Moon. No, no, no, the one. The Old School. So. So Luke Wilson did Old School. It's like, this. The peak. Luke Wilson and Will Ferrell's in it. So I had this amazing day shooting with all these guys where I'm like, like, mega fan of all these guys. I, like. Luke ended up hitting me with his card. I flew over, I got all scraped up, and the boys were like, you're the toughest guy ever. And they added a new scene with, like, us all impro. Great. And then I go to the premiere, and I saw. I, I. We. It's. It's like the opening of the movie, and, like, my whole family's there, and all of a sudden I watch it, and I was like, well, it just came and went. Like, no. Yeah, you're just like. It's like a flash of me, and then it's gone. And I saw Luke afterwards, and he was like, oh, shoot. He's like, dude, I'm. I should have called you. I'm so sorry. I'm like, dude, it's all good. It's all good. I had a great day, you know, like, you know, hanging with the gang. But again, you just never know. Like. And also, it's not personal. Like, I. I realized after that experience, like, it would have slowed the movie down. You're always trying to take time out of a movie. You're trying to make it cook, and sometimes you shoot these, like, improv things that just don't make it, you know, I've had. You have roles that Just get cut down. But it's heartbreaking because you, like, especially when you're on your way up, like those little things, like, you're. You're fighting for your. You know, you're fighting for seconds.

[B]

Yeah. Do you remember a time where you were like, oh, my God, I've made it. I've done it. I've made it. I'm doing the thing. And now you look back and you're like, I can't believe that was the moment. I thought I made it. Because now it's so much more intense now.

[A]

That's a good question. I think. I think I was. I was. I talked with a friend about this the other day. Like, the. The. For financial freedom. In this job, you're not making much money. People, like, even if you're in things, people forget that. Like, you're not actually making that much money. Right. So, like, I just remember, like, I think it was after Expendables and I got paid, like, bare minimum, but I was there for several months, so I made, like, enough. It was like the most money I'd ever made. It's like 70,000 bucks or something like that. And I just remember being like, I don't have to think about a cup of coffee, like, how much it costs. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, oh, I can. I can buy. Because when you're in la, for most of that existence, you're like, nickel and diming everything. Like, everything matters. You, like, look at a rotisserie chicken and you're like, how long could I make this last? You know what I mean? You buy the rotisserie chicken, you're like, okay, if I break it up into however many meals, if I eat this late in the day, like, how long? It's like you're. When you go to a bar, like, I would never drink in a bar. I'd always flask it.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. Flask in my boot. Yeah. So I would. You know, it's like not trying to beat the system, but you're like, drinks in LA are expensive.

[B]

So expensive.

[A]

You know? And, like, I would never, like, you know, Josh always gave me, like, sometimes I'd, like, I'd go to dinner with people, but I would never eat.

[B]

Oh, same. And I say, I'm not eating.

[A]

I couldn't. I couldn't afford to split.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, it's like those sort of things. So, like, once. Once you, like. I think it was like after Expendables and that money doesn't last long, but it felt like I just There was like, there was like a bit of weight that, that, that was lifted off of, like, feeling like I, I didn't have to worry about everything, you know?

[B]

Do you ever miss, like, the simplicity of a more lax career back then? Are you enjoying the rush of everything today?

[A]

I mean, there's, there's, there's. I mean, there's. I would say that, like, the, the intensity of the, the public thing is not intense all the time. Like, you'll see it's like, intense sometimes. Like, sometimes you walk into environment, it's like, it's definitely. I don't get recognized everywhere. And it's like, not like a thing that like, takes away. I'm a guy that's going to live my life regardless, you know?

[B]

You.

[A]

We've been friends a long time, and it's like, I, I like adventure. I like going out. I like having fun with my, my people. I can't. I'm not going to change my life for this thing. I've just learned to do it a little differently.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

You know what I mean? But it is like, it's, it's different.

[B]

It's different. It's harder to, like, meet new relationships and friends.

[A]

Like, it's really. That part has been something I haven't figured out yet.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. You'll get there.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You got it.

[A]

I mean, it's like, it's like also, you know, if you're going to be in a relationship, you want to do it right. I've realized, like, I'm right now in my life, I'm trying to do everything really deliberately. Like, I, I'm not, I'm not a guy that, like, likes feeling good about doing anything carelessly. Like, so if you're gonna date, like, I will, I will. I'm not dating to fill up time because I don't have. I don't have a lot of free time ever to fill up, right? So if I'm gonna. If I'm gonna date, I'm dating with like, a purpose in mind and like a, you know, like to. To find the thing. And so that, that, that also is just in the back of your head when you don't have a lot of time to give someone or do it, right. Sometimes I just, like, don't take that first step, which is like, maybe good and bad. You know what I mean? It's like sometimes you're just like, man, I got this thing coming up and like, I'm gonna be in this city. Like, is it even, like a good idea to.

[B]

Because you Already know that you can't devote.

[A]

Yeah. And I don't like to be like a glass half empty kind of thinker because, like, I really. I think that's such a important thing to continue, like, putting yourself out there and doing all those things. But it's like, it's. I also want to be considerate. Like, you don't want to be, like, reckless with somebody else's feelings when you know what's on the other side. But also, if it's the right thing, you'll figure it out.

[B]

100%.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you have any breaks coming up this fall?

[A]

Like, I'm going to be in la, like, all this fall.

[B]

Are we going to hang out?

[A]

Yeah, dude, we're going to. We're going to kick it, man. We're going on that road trip.

[B]

Don't play with me. Do not play with me. I really want to go on a road trip.

[A]

My family's big on road trips. My family growing up, the two things my family loves more than anything. It's the reason I can sleep anywhere. Like, you saw me, like, pass out on the plane.

[B]

Yeah, you can do that.

[A]

You're sleep anywhere. And it's because, like, my family, we would take road trips when we were. When I was like, a kid, like, to, like, if we went to Europe, like, we're not spending, like, money on hotels and things like that. You'd basically. My family would pay for the first, like, two nights of the trip and the last two nights of a hotel. So we knew we were starting and we knew we were ending up and everything in the middle was sort of game. So we just rent a car and you just, like, drive through. You go, hey, should we try to go to, like, Italy? Or, like, would you want to go to, like, you know, you want to go to Lichtenstein? You know, it's like, whatever it is, and you. You just go, all right, cool, let's go do it. And. But half the time that means you're sleeping in a car.

[B]

I also used to take road trips from New York to LA with my dad and my brother, and we used to sleep in the car, and I used to sit in that car for, like, 12 hours a day.

[A]

You just like. But you. But I think it's a good thing for kids. Like, they're not, like, they don't get soft because, like, you go, my. My parents were, like, kind of big on adventure. They kind of were just like, hey. I mean, we have this adage in my family. It's like, no good story happened from Things going right.

[B]

And that is so awesome, you know. And you know what? I needed to hear that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I was. Well, I. You know, I never finished my story about my travel experience from Paris to. Oh, yeah, I'll tell you about that later. It was horrible.

[A]

I mean, but. But travel also is like, in a relationship with your family, whatever. It's like, good to be like. It's good to not have everything dialed in where you have to, like, problem solve together. It always makes it, like. It always makes it great stories. Like, you don't ever, like, tell a story about a vacation and be like, you know, super relaxing. And, like, people don't want to hear that.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like, yo, we were caught in a hurricane and we couldn't get out and blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean?

[B]

That is such a good attitude to have.

[A]

So it's like, that's with, like, my family. We have this one great story where there was this, like, really cool Italian town we wanted to see. It was called Vernazza, and it's right on the coast. And they said inaccessible by car. But as we were driving by in Italy, my dad saw a sign. It says Vernazza this way. He's like, maybe I'm talking going to Vernaco. Yeah, let's go to Vernazza.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So we started driving, and all of a sudden it started leading to, like, the. The road started getting smaller and smaller and smaller. Then we're on these really high cliffs, and I'm talking about the roads, like, a little wider than this couch, like, thousands of feet down. And we're like the whole family. And all of a sudden we get down, and like, the whole time it's like, we're like, if. My dad literally said while we were in the car, he's like, if a. Some other car comes, we're leaving the car and we're gonna figure it out. Like, we. We're not gonna try to.

[B]

Were you scared?

[A]

Yeah. You could see cars that had fallen off. No. Yeah, you can see, like, it was like. It was like people had tried and failed. Like, it was a bad.

[B]

So why didn't you guys stop the car?

[A]

Well, we were like, where is Vernazza going to be? Like, you kept pushing. You know what I mean? Like, we kept pushing. So all of a sudden we get to the bottom of this. We get to the bottom and all of a sudden it kind of dead ends of these trees. And all of a sudden it's kind of getting dark. It's like getting dusk. And the family's Looking at each other like, oh, man. We're have to like, just sleep in our car in this random thing. So it gets dark, and then all of a sudden you could see through these woods. Like, it looked like, like fire, like candlelight or something. And my dad's like, let's go check this out. So my dad and I walked through the woods with the family, and it opened up into this street. It looked like we were, like, time traveling. It opened up and it's like cobblestone streets and. And. And it was all, like, candlelight. It was, like, so, like, magical. And it looked like it was completely abandoned. Then we walked, and there was this tavern of all these people singing. And we were like, do you have a hotel here? They said, we don't have any hotels here. And so it's like my family, it's my sisters, my mom and my dad were all like, where do we stay for the night? Do we have to go back to the car? And this random couple was hearing us in the. In the bar, and they said they seem like a good family, and they let us stay at their house for the night. And we still keep in touch with them. They get a Christmas card from us every year. And it's like one of those things that, like, for me, I was like, that's like a great adventure. It's like, sums up my family about, like, how we kind of travel. Like, you go, if we would have, like, tried to just do the dance steps that everybody else goes if we didn't kind of take the plunge. Like, sure, it was dangerous or it was crazy, but it's like a great family story where it's like, we made new, wonderful friends in this far corner of the world and, like, took the plunge together. It's like a great.

[B]

You know, that is a great story. That sounds like maybe out of either two movies, one like a rom com or a horror movie.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Was it Vernazza that you ended up in?

[A]

Yeah, Vernata.

[B]

Oh, that was Renata.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like.

[A]

It's like. It's called the Cinque Terre Islands, which is like these islands, and Vernata is one of the Cinque Terre Islands.

[B]

Wow. Okay. Well, Glenn, what are you therapist about today?

[A]

What am I therapist about?

[B]

And honestly, after hearing you talk and hanging out with you all weekend, it feels like nothing, dude.

[A]

You know, I mean, I think. I think the thing that I'm like, I'm kind of like Grumpy Glenn, in the. In the fact that, like, you and I are about to like, kickstart this party. Once you and I get a little tequila in us, I feel like we're gonna beat this hangover. We're gonna hair of the dog this. And then. And then I get to bring you to a UT game. Like, I have nothing to be therapist about.

[B]

We are really good drunks together. Can I say, like, we were vibing last night, like, at the Benson Boone concert. Like, we were like, first of all, the only drunk people there.

[A]

For sure.

[B]

The only drunk people there. I turned to, like, someone on his team. I'm like, I'm sorry. So drunk. And he looks at me, he goes, it's 10:15pm I said, I'm sorry.

[A]

You know what's really funny is we got there. It made me laugh because we go, we got to kind of the box. And I said, hey, did you guys have, like, tequila or something like that? And he goes, let me see what we can do. And I'm almost positive they had to postmates to kill.

[B]

I know that they did, because I'm thinking. I'm like, huh, the alcohol has been taking a while. Like, I wonder where it is. All of a sudden, we're drinking. I'm like, okay, the alcohol. Alcohol is here. Great. And then I turn to my left, and I see a brown paper bag. I say, oh, my God. They postmated us alcohol.

[A]

I was very grateful, but I was also like, oh, like, we're. You know, we were the. We were the delinquents in that place.

[B]

For sure we were. And we were so drunk.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But you held it together so well on stage.

[A]

Thank you so. Well, thank you.

[B]

I'm so excited for UT later. Like, I'm, like, tweaking out about it.

[A]

We. So. So I'm gonna teach you the chance. We're gonna have you drink out of a boot and a hat. I'm gonna. I even want to see if I can get you to shoot off the cannon. What? There's a cannon that when Texas scores, we shoot.

[B]

Please. I'll do anything.

[A]

So I'm going to. I'm going to introduce you to Bevo. I'll see if I can get you to shoot this cannon.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I'm gonna see if there's any sort of other rites of passage that you need to have, but I don't think you're really, truly ready for a Texas game day. There's nothing like it.

[B]

Oh, I'm really excited. Louise is, like, from the south, and she said, like, I'm not ready.

[A]

No, it's, like, great. I went to I went to a game in Tuscaloosa when Texas played. You remember that game? Yeah.

[B]

Am I a good house guest?

[A]

You're the best house guest.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I told you, man. I was like. I was. I was impressed with. You woke up just so peacefully in those pajamas. You have a great pajama set.

[B]

You know, there's Texas flags on those pajamas.

[A]

I did not see that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, actually, can I give you. Can I give you a little. A little gift?

[B]

What we.

[A]

We got you.

[B]

No, you didn't.

[A]

Here we go, buddy. This is. This is. This is just. You know, not that I don't love your pajamas, but I thought, you know, this could be, like, a nice little.

[B]

Oh, I'm gonna wear this to bed tonight. Oh, my God. You know, if I wasn't. Glenn. Thank you.

[A]

Maybe we could wear this on 6th street tonight.

[B]

Wait, can I. Yeah. Can we actually go to 6th Street? Yes, please.

[A]

I think. I think you on 6th street would be trouble, but I think we'll. We'll find it.

[B]

Glad. I love you.

[A]

I love you, buddy.

[B]

Thank you. This is so thoughtful. Before we wrap up, you know what we have to do?

[A]

What?

[B]

Tell me what's wrongs.

[A]

Oh, yes.

[B]

My new girlfriend's dad offered me a cigar. I accepted, even though I've never smoked one. I assumed it was like anything else you smoke, and I inhaled it. I was coughing relentlessly and crying my eyes out on the floor. Him and his friends were literally pointing and laughing. How do I come back from this?

[A]

No, I think. I think that's a. That's a good thing.

[B]

As you say, no good story comes from a good situation.

[A]

They now know you did something to win their approval that you didn't want to do. I think that's, like. There's a little bit of hazing Whenever, like, a, you know, boyfriend or girlfriend comes into the family and meets everybody. There's a little bit of, like, hazing that goes on. I think, like, the cigar smoking means they like you. It means they, like, you're not boring. They want to, like, put you through this and see how you handle it.

[B]

How do you initiate your sisters, now husbands, into the Powell family? How did you we.

[A]

You know, my. My. My. My dad. Like, for instance, I'll tell you, like, when my. My. My dad met my mom's family for the first time, they pulled a prank where they acted like they were, like, a real redneck sort of family. So it's a very well educated, like, smart family, but they were acting like they were wearing, like, the craziest Clothes like, like, you know, put like, black stuff on their teeth. Like, like, true. They. They rented cars that were like, the seats were missing. They loaded the car up with, like, pit bulls. And. And. And. And basically my holy. My. My. Like, when. When my dad landed, my Uncle Billy and Stephen picked him up and they were like, hey, but, you know, sorry, Cindy can't be here, but, like, you know, get in the car. And they're like dogs. Like, my dad's wearing a full suit to, like, like, impress the family, and there's like, dogs drooling all over them. They give them a beer. They're like, here, drink this. And they had hired a buddy of theirs, part who worked for the government in a. In a, like a blacked out, like, Lincoln Town Car with a siren to pull them over. And they said, hey, hey.

[B]

This is the most insane commitment I ever heard in my entire life.

[A]

My family. My family's big on pranks, Very big on pranks. So they. The. The town car pulls them over and my. He goes, it's the feds. And. And my uncle gets out and pretends to have a knife fight and murder this guy on the side of the road. And then the guy pretends to kill my uncle and pulls. Pulls him through the winch the. The window and says, welcome to Texas, boy. And that was literally my dad's. Well, that was like, him meeting the family. Like, it was a. He thought he witnessed a, like, a murder.

[B]

Like, that's like.

[A]

That's the level of like I always tell people. Like, when people are like, did I meet your family? I'm like, like, especially, like, my Aunt Honey. Like, like, I'm like, aunt Honey? Yeah, Honey, who's rowdy. I'm like, if you don't know if you've met them, you haven't met them because they're, like, so rowdy.

[B]

That is the most insane prank I've ever heard. Was your dad scared?

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. He thought he was going to jail. He's like, oh, my God. Like, I just watched a man get murdered in, like, so. But like, it's like those sort of things where, like, the whole family. I believe that everybody a true. Like, for me, if I'm like, if I give people like, it means I love you. Like, it means, like, it means I'm so comfortable with you that we can, like, you know, mess with each other and take the piss out of each other and not like, it's like. It's just a level of confidence in a relationship, in my opinion. So I think this cigar Thing I think, is a good thing.

[B]

And you just came so full circle with that in a way that I've never experienced. What is the best prank you've ever played on someone? Because I can tell you mine, the.

[A]

One that I get quoted about forever, because I released 3,000 crickets in the school on the last day of school. And so it, like.

[B]

You released 3,000 crickets on the last.

[A]

Day of eighth grade.

[B]

How did you manage that? Well, you put them in your backpack.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I put them. I didn't. I. Basically, how I did it was I went to the. I went to the pet store, and you get. You just buy crickets at the pet store. So I bought 3,000 crickets, and then I hid them in the. The woods outside the school. And so then I got, like, guys to kind of, like, go during bathroom breaks and stuff like that to get the crickets, hide them in the ceiling. Then, like, the next guy would take him out of the ceiling.

[B]

Scatter.

[A]

We had like, a whole, like, operation. So right before the lunch bell would ring, where people, like, flooded this one hallway, it was like, a big, like, bottleneck area. I was like, this is where we got to release the crickets. I, like, released all these crickets. So everybody came out of the thing, like, heading to lunch, and there were crickets just, like, everywhere. So. So I get quoted for that one a lot. That was a good. That was a good, like, high school prank because I got in a lot of trouble. What, they figured out I did it? Yeah.

[B]

I mean, how would they not.

[A]

I know. Yeah.

[B]

Were you, like.

[A]

I did it. None of my. None of my friends ratted me out.

[B]

Oh, good friends. But.

[A]

But. But it got back.

[B]

So the cigar story is just a story?

[A]

I think the cigar story. I. I truly believe that. Like a cigar. I. I think it's a good thing. It means they like you.

[B]

I mean, I've mortified myself in so many ways, and not in front of, like, my significant other. I don't have a significant other, obviously, family, but my friends. Families all the time. None of my friends like any of the things I like. Some music, shows, movies, restaurants, nothing. So in order to indulge in any of my passions, I have to be alone or force someone to go with me. Awkwardly. Why are you friends with them? What is the remedy to this? Please.

[A]

What do you think about this one?

[B]

I mean, I don't know why you're friends with people who share zero interest.

[A]

I don't seem like a friend that.

[B]

Feels like friends by force. Like, you're Just like you grew up with them and like, they're your friends.

[A]

That's a, that's a con. That's a confusing one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like, I feel like the first step of friendship is that you, like, you're, you bond over something.

[B]

What? That's the first thing we bonded over.

[A]

First thing we bonded over Pilates. I mean, you, the one thing that I love. See, this is, this is like a good example where it's like your, your shakes on the plotting machine. Like, that was where I was like, oh, this guy's like a, like. And your commentary on it was so funny. I was like, wait, what is happening right now? Yeah, and it just like immediately endeared you. Like, endeared me to you. I was just like, oh, my God, I love this guy because you're just hilarious about it. And I think that's it. It's like, again, like, people not being cool. Like people not being like, so protective. Like being self aware that we all do weird, right?

[B]

You know, 100. Hi, I'm Emily. Hi, Emily. And I, oh, and I never know how to read a room. People can be really upset with me and I won't pick up on it and continue making jokes. Vice versa too. How do I practice self awareness going forward so as not to alienate myself from social groups? You're really good at reading a room. Did. Was that something you learned or just born with it?

[A]

That's a good, that's a really good question. What do you, what is your opinion about that?

[B]

To be honest, I don't think you can learn how to read a room. I, I think like, I, I, I think, Sorry, I take that back. I think if you continue putting yourself in situ, if you have somebody with you that will call you out when you're not reading the room properly to take in what you've done in that moment to not read the room properly and take it with you to the next time. And like, each time it'll get better and better and better and better. It's like pouring water into a cup with sand. Like, eventually the sand comes out.

[A]

Do you have the thing that when you go to an event or have a conversation with somebody when you get home and you go back by yourself, that you have sort of the Sunday scaries or like whatever the Monday morning quarterbacking, like everything that happened, I, my.

[B]

Entire life is like I said, I.

[A]

Literally feel like I do this all the time where I'll like, you know, it's very nice you say, I can read a room, but I'LL like, I'll like literally go to something and I'll like have all these conversations and then I'll get home and I'll be like, why did you do that? Like, why did you say, like, I'll literally just like hate on myself. And that's one thing I'm trying to get better about, which is just being like, okay, like, people know you're good intentioned. Like, we all make mistakes, right? Sort of thing. But it's like, it's hard. Like sometimes you slip up and say like the exact thing that you're not supposed to say, right? To the person that you're like, why did I do that?

[B]

What is like, without naming names, the worst time you've put your foot in your mouth?

[A]

I'm not gonna say, never mind. I have, I have one in the back of my head that my buddies like, give me about all the time.

[B]

Will you tell me after?

[A]

I'll tell you afterwards.

[B]

Okay. Amazing. My best friend initially got engaged last year. She had told me that she was going to ask me to be a bridesmaid in her wedding. A month ago, I found out from another friend that she had asked all of her bridesmaids already and I was not included. This really hurt my feelings, but I haven't been able to tell her. I feel like I'm resenting her because of it and I don't like it. I just can't get over it. I would say on like the good side of things, being a bridesmaid is such hard work.

[A]

I totally agree.

[B]

You have bachelor, bachelor trip, all these different things. Like, it's so expensive. Like, just try to look on the bright side of it. And also, like, maybe reevaluate your relationships if you thought you were close enough to be a bridesmaid and you obviously weren't.

[A]

Totally. And also, like, weddings are a lot of obligatory invites. Like, nobody thinks about. It's like my little sister just threw her wedding and like, like she has to kind of do the thing where it's like there's the people you have to invite that are like your family or this or whatever it is, or people that grew up or have been really helpful with the family or whatever it is. And then there's those people that you're really close to and like, you can't please everybody. You know what I mean? And I think like, the, the, the thing that I'm like realizing, especially on the, that sort of aspect, like, I come from a family. Like we call my mom FOMO sometimes, like, she's Just epitomizes fomo. She wants to be a part of everything. But we realize is that, like, I think the worst thing that social media has done for people is show them what they weren't attending, like, what they weren't a part of. And if you're the kind of person that, like, feeds into that and is, like, that kills them, it's a really. It's a really horrible place. Like, I. I'm always like a. I'm always like, I do this thing in my career where, like, I got a good advice early on where I said, they said, don't look in the other lanes. You're running your own race, right? Which is like, if somebody else is doing good, I'm like, that's good. That's good for the business. It's good when people are working. It's good when people are thriving. Like, you root for everybody to win. And like, I kind of feel the same way. Like, on a social aspect, I'm like, when I watch people, like, living their best life, like, that shouldn't eat at you. Like, you should be like, hey, I should go live my best life too. Like, it's. You should root for people to be happy and have fun. But, like, the, the bridesmaid thing in particular is like, I always think that, like, in the back of your head, you should always remember, like, there's other politics going on other than the simplicity of. Do I like you?

[B]

Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What do you think? You're so wise. Do you ever feel like I'm so wise? No, you don't feel that way. What is, like, the biggest lesson you've learned in the past year?

[A]

Probably, if you're, if you are. Are genuinely well meaning, you can never, no matter what happens, if you try to do your best, then, like, do it doing your best. Like, try to treat people well. Trying to show up for your job, like, like, trying to. It's like a hard thing to explain, but, like, I feel like right now I feel like I can get caught in a bit of a. A storm of a lot of things I can't control. And it can be hard for someone who, like, is trying to show up and do their best to be like, wait, why is this happening? Why is this happening? And I think the real, the thing that I go, if you can look at yourself in the mirror and go like, hey, I did my best. I tried my hardest, whatever it is, like, then that's a thing that, like, kind of releases all the chaos of the world, which is, we're all going to make mistakes. We're all going to do whatever. But, like, if you can look yourself in the mirror and go, I. I tried my best. I tried to show up, and I tried to treat people well, whatever. It's like giving yourself a little bit of grace, because I'm. I really do. I'm a sensitive person, and I can be really hard on myself. And, like, everybody, like, my mom was like, I never had to punish you because you punished yourself.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Like, I. Like, I was always like a kid that, like, if I. If I made a mistake or did something wrong, I was. I hated myself.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I couldn't get over it. And I still do that. I still do that to a great degree. If I. If I feel like I fumbled, if I hurt somebody or I feel like I fumbled, like, I really. I get. I go dark fast. And I'm trying to. In this. In this phase of life, you realize, like, you're never trying to disappoint people, but so many people sort of ask for your. Your time and attention, and there's only so many hours in the day, and you really want to show up for everybody. But, like, I think in the past, I would really hate myself for not being able to make everybody happy, and I'm trying to get better about, like, giving myself grace, being like, hey, you did your best. Like, you can't. You can't do it for everybody, you know?

[B]

Glenn, that's beautiful. You have such a good outlook on life. Oh, this one is interesting because we were talking about this last night, and it kind of relates to Chad Powers. My best friend is turning into a conspiracy theorist lately, and it's so tiring, like, to a point where even if it's something that's believable or something, I don't even care because I want my old buddy, and I want my old buddy and I's conversations back. Is there anything I can do? And you said something so fascinating about conspiracy theorists yesterday. Can you share?

[A]

Well, basically, what I was saying is, like, so writing Chad Powers, the. The character of Russ Holiday, this horrible thing happened to him that, you know, he made this mistake in front of the whole world, and this sort of life burned down. And what happened was he became like, a conspiracy theorist, right? Where he believed in sort of all of these things of, like, there has to be a, like, dark, you know, figures behind any bad thing that. That happens or. Or a meaning that's not just like, hey, sometimes bad things happen, you know? And so what I find that a lot of conspiracy theorists, like, my point of view about a lot of conspiracy theories is that it's just, like, people not taking accountability. Right. It's hard to describe. This world is a complicated place, and, like, scary things happen and bad things happen, and they're hard to fathom. And the why of it, like, evil does exist. And so instead of trying to go, hey, you know, like, you know, instead of trying to go like, hey, like, bad things happen, you sort of, like, double down on this idea that there's. There's a mechanism behind the world that's out to get you. And I think that's, like, a thing that, like, is in the back of my head is like, look, sure, there are. There are some. Some of these conspiracy theories. Like, absolutely. They're very possible. And there's a lot of things that, you know, I. I always think we should always be questioning the truth of things, not just be feeding what the media gives you. I think that's really important. I think it's always important to question things. But I do find that, like, that was a. That was a basic part of Chad Powers. Is that all him just saying, like, hey, I made a mistake, and my life fell apart. Instead of doing that, he blames it on everyone else. And, like, I think accountability is, like, conspiracy theorists, for me, are a lot of people that just aren't taking accountability for the fact that the world is hard to explain sometimes.

[B]

Right. And it's like, what you said was, like, they believe that the world is working against them.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Instead of just existing.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Right. I thought that was so smart.

[A]

Oh, thank you.

[B]

And I think you should show that to your friend who's obsessed with conspiracy theories. Glenn, what did we learn today?

[A]

It's always. It's always a journey with you, man. It's like, it really. We covered a lot.

[B]

Can I say yes? I think this watches our other podcast out of the Water.

[A]

I totally agree. And can I tell you something? I told a lot of bizarre shit, and I know all of it is factual.

[B]

Cheers.

[A]

Cheers, buddy eyes.

[B]

Okay, so after this, I'm gonna go put on my cowboy outfit.

[A]

Let's go.

[B]

And we're gonna start drinking.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And have the best day of my life.

[A]

I can't wait.

[B]

Thank you for having me, dude.

[A]

I'm so happy you're here, man. The cowboy hat. I think this has to be kind of like your new look.

[B]

I honestly think it might be. Austin, Texas, has been very good to me so far.

[A]

It's a good look on, and I.

[B]

Think if I play the part, it'll be even better.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

Okay. Do you want to give a little bye. Hook them.

[A]

Bye. Hook them.