SESSION 440: Producer’s Chat: Reflections, Rest & the Last Stretch of 2025

Summary

Therapy for Black Girls Podcast: Session 440

Producer’s Chat: Reflections, Rest & the Last Stretch of 2025
Host: Dr. Joy Harden Bradford, Ph.D.
With Producers: Elise Ellis, Inde Tubu, Tyree Rush
Release Date: December 3, 2025

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Episode Overview

This end-of-year episode features Dr. Joy Harden Bradford and the Therapy for Black Girls production team—Elise Ellis, Inde Tubu, and Tyree Rush—gathered for an intimate “Producer’s Chat.” Together, they reflect on the highlights and challenges of 2025, lessons learned, shifting approaches to rest and self-care, evolving family traditions, financial maturity, and best-of-the-year culture picks. The conversation is warm, candid, and infused with humor and practical insights for listeners preparing to close out their own year.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Holiday Mindsets & “Era” Check-ins

[05:12 – 11:30]

• The team opens with a lighthearted check-in: "Are you in your cozy soft era, your don't ask me about my life choices era or your I'm only here for the food era as we move into the holiday season?"
  • Elise Ellis: Leaning into a “cozy, soft era,” emphasizing comfort, community, and self-gifting. Not overly invested in holiday food this year, instead prioritizing vibes, games, and movies.
    Notable quote: "If anyone wants to get me a gift, I’m interested in blankets and robes." [06:28]
  • Tyree Rush: Adopts a "who all gonna be there?" approach, setting boundaries to protect energy after an “overly social” year. “I really only got 15 minutes for this kind of parlay.” [07:35]
  • Inde Tubu & Dr. Joy: Both embrace the cozy era, describing the holidays as a time of nesting, celebration, and shifting family dynamics—especially as kids grow up or hosts “become the aunties.”

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2. Reflections on Hosting & Evolving Family Traditions

[09:55 – 11:46]

• The team discusses the shift from being guests to hosts in family holiday traditions.
  • Elise: Navigating the new experience of hosting Thanksgiving for both family and friends, strategizing meatless dishes, and investing in home essentials.
  • Humorous sidebar about “tamale pie” as a divisive family recipe, illustrating the quirks and compromises in evolving family traditions.

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3. Behind-the-Scenes: Creating the "Sibling Sit Down" Series

[12:33 – 24:59]

• The producers reflect on their limited series exploring sibling relationships.
  • Insights:
    • The universality and complexity of sibling dynamics, including in blended families—highlighting representation and the ongoing process of building and healing those ties.
    • Team members share personal stories prompted by producing the series, noting that these conversations led to deeper connections and reflections with their own siblings.
  • Notable quote: “My cousin calls that ‘vintage beef.’ He’s like, you do not participate in vintage beef.” – Inde Tubu [17:36]

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4. Rest, Intentions & Permission to Slow Down

[25:26 – 31:34]

• The team shares 2025 resolutions, what habits were maintained (or not), and how resting and self-care are evolving.
  • Tyree: “I wanted to ambitiously pursue pleasure…plan vacations, take myself out, do something just because it’s fun, not for an end goal.” [25:32]
  • Inde: Stresses the importance of intentional movement, spontaneous joy, and making adult decisions about time and money.
  • Elise: Focuses on maintaining strong routines, being less fixated on instant gratification, and spreading goals over months instead of rushing progress.
  • All agree on making luxury self-care (like massages and spa trips) more normalized and accessible as acts of self-kindness rather than rare treats.

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5. Financial Honesty & Adulting

[36:50 – 45:08]

• Raw and practical advice around managing money, debt, and budgeting:
  • Inde: Values candid financial conversations among friends; emphasizes “it is my business” to understand and monitor her own finances. [37:19]
  • Tyree: Reflects on shifting from a “community mindset” (my money is our money) to embracing spending for his own pleasure and future.
  • Elise: Advocates for tactile money management (pen and paper, Excel spreadsheets), echoing Melody Hobson’s advice that “children need to see physical cash…we’ve lost a little of that in adulthood.” [43:24]

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6. Letting Go of 2025’s “Propaganda”

[45:08 – 52:11]

• The producers identify popular cultural “propaganda” they’re leaving behind:
  • Elise: Rejecting the constant need for goals and the professionalization of personal life—“It’s okay to just be out here on vibes sometimes.”
  • Inde: Slowing down home and self-development, investing in intention over hyper-productivity.
  • Tyree: Reevaluating what it means to “support Black-owned”—urges buying with intention, not just for optics; also debunks “slip” as a deep conditioner must-have: “Big conditioner is tricking us out of our dollars!” [49:18]
  • Inde: Challenges the overuse of “sample sales”—“You should really just call it a sale or clearance. Clearance doesn’t sound as sexy, and so that’s propaganda I’m not falling for.” [51:21]
  • Dr. Joy: Pushes back on the “cut people off quickly” trend: “People are not actually practicing good relationship skills, but instead just running to avoid conflict. I really want us to get more comfortable just being in the messy middle with people because that is where relationships flourish.” [57:25]

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7. 2025 Cultural Picks: Best Films & Albums

[58:09 – 69:54]

• Film Favorites:
  • Sinners, One Battle After Another, Lurker, Twinless, Together, Hetta, Bonia, Poor Things, The Mastermind, A Long Walk
  • Notable quotes:
    • “Sinners might be the movie that, like, finally makes me start collecting movies in an analog way, because I need to have things on tap when there’s no Internet.” – Inde Tubu [60:58]
    • “My issue with Charli XCX’s brat...it felt like the Tumblr interpretation of pop indie sleaze music. What I love about Blackstar is that it pulls from dance scenes across the diaspora...it feels very studied.” – Elise Ellis [67:46]
• Album Highlights:
  • Omra – Black Star, Olivia Dean’s breakup album, Odile’s The Fall That Saved Us, Destin Conrad, Leon Thomas
  • Each cultural pick is discussed with warmth, personal resonance, and nuanced critique.

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8. Permission Slips for 2026

[69:54 – 70:55]

• The episode closes with each team member offering a “permission slip” to listeners:
  • Tyree: “Be an active participant in your own life.” [70:15]
  • Inde: “You have permission to be cocky.” [70:24]
  • Elise: “Permission to be curious and deep…not to be faux social but to be actually social.” [70:36]
  • Dr. Joy affirms and thanks the group, reflecting their authenticity and energy back to the audience.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Healthy Boundaries:
  "I'm definitely in my 'who all going to be there' era...I've just got 15 minutes for this kind of parlay." — Tyree Rush [07:35]
• On Sibling Dynamics:
  “My cousin calls that ‘vintage beef.’ He’s like, you do not participate in vintage beef.” — Inde Tubu [17:36]
• On Pleasure & Self-Care:
  “This is the first year that I actually celebrated my birthday with cassette spa trip and went on, like, a weekend trip, just to go see the thing…It is a headache. But what I have learned is, like, it’s important to do those things." — Tyree Rush [25:26]
• On Money Management:
  "The number isn't going to change whether you look at it or not. So you might as well just look at it." — Elise Ellis [41:03]
• On Letting Go of “Productivity Culture”:
  “I think we’ve professionalized our personal lives a little too much. So I’m maybe not falling for that propaganda wholly.” — Elise Ellis [45:32]
• On Cultural Taste-Making:
  “Sinners might be the movie that, like, finally makes me start collecting movies in an analog way…” — Inde Tubu [60:58]
• On Relationship Skills:
  “I really want us to get more comfortable just being in the messy middle with people, because that is where relationships flourish.” — Dr. Joy Harden Bradford [57:25]

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Episode Flow & Tone

The conversation is open, honest, relatable, and peppered with humor. The production team reveals their own vulnerabilities and “real life” reflections, inviting listeners into a warm, supportive circle. The tone flows seamlessly from playful to reflective, striking a balance that embodies the spirit of the podcast—encouraging growth, rest, connection, and intentionality as the year draws to a close.

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Useful Timestamps

• Opening and Team “Era” Check-In: [05:12]
• Family Hosting & New Holiday Traditions: [09:55]
• Sibling Sit Down Reflections: [12:33]
• 2025 Intentions & Self-Care Real Talk: [25:26]
• Financial Literacy & Adulting: [36:50]
• Propaganda to Leave in 2025: [45:08]
• 2025 Best Films & Albums: [58:09]
• Permission Slips for 2026: [69:54]

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Final Thoughts

This year-end producer’s chat offers a blend of laughter, practical wisdom, and cultural insight perfect for listeners looking to reflect, reconnect, and recharge. Whether you’re looking for validation in moving at your own pace, tips for financial sanity, or inspiration to embrace curiosity, the Therapy for Black Girls team delivers an empowering wrap to 2025 with open hearts and open minds.

Transcript

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly conversation about mental health, personal development, and all the small decisions we can make to become the best possible versions of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford, a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more or to find a therapist in your area, visit our [e-mail] while I hope you love listening to and learning from the podcast, it is not meant to be a substitute for a relationship with a licensed mental health professional. Hey y', all, thanks so much for joining Me for session 440 of the.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

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[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

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[Elise Ellis]

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[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

All right, well I'm very excited to reconvene the group. We have not had a producer chat it feels like in some time. So it felt fitting to wrap up the year with some reflections and thinking about how we are moving into 2026. So every week at our production meeting we start with a team check in question. So we thought it would be great to bring that to the podcast this week. So our question for this episode is are you in your cozy soft era, Your don't ask me about my life choices era or your I'm only here for the food era. As we Move into the holiday season.

[Elise Ellis]

I am definitely in my cozy, soft era. Although I am hosting Thanksgiving, it doesn't feel as, let me not lie, it was definitely stressful. But now that the week is here, most of the food is bought. Anything that, like, I'm doing catering or like, flowers are ordered, like, all of that, I'm like, okay, all I have to do is put it together, which I think is exciting for me. But outside of that, I am doing a staycation in California. I've bought all the things to even, like, cozy up my home. New robes, ambient lighting. So I'm here for the vibes this holiday season. I'm not here for the drama. I feel like this year I maybe uniquely disinterested in, like, the food of it all. I don't know why, like, I can't pinpoint, like, anything. I'm really excited to eat, but like the community maybe play some games, watch some movies. If anyone wants to get me a gift, I'm interested in blankets and robes.

[Inde Tubu]

So I'm definitely in the era. I love the mass announcement. The mass.

[Elise Ellis]

You never know who's listening. You never know who's listening.

[Inde Tubu]

The gift guidance.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

Listen. I have heard good things about these Lola blankets. Now, I have never, never felt or touched them, but I see keep hearing people on TikTok talk about these blankets that are like the best blankets they've ever had. So that may be on your wish list. Elise.

[Inde Tubu]

I also just bought an LL Bean blanket that I got because I have a long body and so oftentimes my feet are, you know, we're fighting to stay inside of the blanket. Bought an L.L. bean blanket and it's like extra long and you can like monogram it for $6. You're just cute. And it is very soft. So. And it was like $45. It was not, like, crazy.

[Tyree Rush]

So I actually have changed my mind and I think that I'm officially in the which you should, as a black person, you should probably always be. But I'm definitely in my who all going to be there era. I think I was chronically outside this year to my detriment, and now I'm just wise enough and just like, no, who's going to be there? Because I actually don't need or, you know, who going to be there Because I really only got 15 minutes for this kind of parlay. So that's where I'm at.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Okay.

[Inde Tubu]

I too will say I'm in my cozy era. I love the holidays. My birthday is during the holidays, so I can very much lean into the celebration of it all starting really, like, November 1st. I'm, like, for the next two months, really, like, till January 2nd, I'm having a ball. I'm hosting friends must. My friends and I usually do, like, a really intense friendsgiving, but we're doing friends must to kind of, like, curb how intense it can be. So I am excited to host and, like, decorate and all of those things. I am not similar to what Lily said. I'm not getting too heavy into the cooking. We will be ordering things. I also feel like friends miss like is less intense when it comes to what needs to be on the table. But, yeah, I'm excited. I, like, want to go look at Christmas lights and all of those things. I've been updating my holiday playlist, so that's kind of how I'm feeling this year.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

I feel like I have been in my cozy girl era probably for the last, like, three years, really, since the pandemic, when, like, we were kind of forced to be home, and I'm like, I really kind of like it here, and I actually don't want to leave my house. So I feel like I have been cozy for the past several years. The holidays are feeling a little different now that my kids are getting older. So, like, we have just gone through the exercise of their, like, Christmas list. Right. The lists look very different this year than they have. Like, they're not, you know, like, oh, a Nintendo game and, like, some, you know, toys. Like, they are very in this teen tweenish where it's like, oh, these designer hoodies and Jordans and, you know, gift cards. And I'm like, oh, we are not in the little kid version of Christmas anymore. So that. That is a new development on the horizon for me. Elise, I'm curious. Are you hosting your family for Thanksgiving or are you hosting, like, friends?

[Elise Ellis]

No, I'm hosting my family.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

Okay.

[Elise Ellis]

For Thanksgiving, and then I have three friends who are also coming as part of the Thanksgiving. But, yeah, this is a proper. I mean, it's a proper Thanksgiving.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

[Tyree Rush]

Can I invite myself? I'm gonna be in California.

[Inde Tubu]

That's how re invited himself.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

Feel free.

[Elise Ellis]

No, feel free to come by.

[Inde Tubu]

Come by.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

I love that.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

It reminds me of the conversations online where people are like, oh, we are continuing to, like, wait on the aunties to do the things. But it's like, no, we' actually the aunties now. Right. So I love that you are stepping into hosting the family for Thanksgiving.

[Elise Ellis]

Yes. I'm extremely excited. I am cooking a lot of things. I don't eat meat. So my cousin's husband, I'm like, you married into a vegetarian family. You need to bring.

[Inde Tubu]

You knew what was up.

[Elise Ellis]

Other than that, I'm cooking everything. I did a test run of a sweet potato piece last night because I. I'm not gonna say I don't like it. I just, like, don't eat it as much as other pies that I've made. So I was like, okay, I need to, like, test this out. Pretty simple. I'm very excited. I'm also excited for, like, the tablescape of it all. I've been meticulously planning that. I had to get new plates, which is. Thanksgiving is expensive. And my mom was saying, like, why is it so expensive? And I'm like, well, you had a home for 30 years. Like, there are things you don't have. But now that I have them, I feel prepared to host more and more over the holidays and beyond.

[Tyree Rush]

Speaking of pie, Elise, will your grandmother's tamale pie recipe be making an appearance at this Thanksgiving?

[Elise Ellis]

I really don't like tamale pie. It's just not good.

[Inde Tubu]

Like I said, I feel like last time you were doing this. Right. And I was like, what is tamale pie? Sounds right.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

That's clearly not, like, a sweet. Is that that. It's clearly like, a meat.

[Elise Ellis]

No, A Southern Californian. I feel like, dish.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Okay.

[Elise Ellis]

That it's not good.

[Tyree Rush]

Like, that's the only thing I, I. I like it. I do. But I love tamales. So, like, that's. Yeah, I'm a savory person over sweets. Anyway.

[Elise Ellis]

If I was having Thanksgiving at home, like, my mom's Thanksgiving, there would definitely be tamale pie and tamale separately. Like the. Oh, everyone's just getting here. Do you want a tamale? And I'm like, that is a meal.

[Inde Tubu]

Like an hors d'.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Oeuvre.

[Elise Ellis]

Yeah.

[Inde Tubu]

I mean, I'm intrigued. The tamale pie intrigues me. I'd want to try it.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

I don't know that I'm as intrigued.

[Inde Tubu]

I don't know that I said, get me right.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

You can have my serving in day. So one of the major accomplishments I feel like we had as a team this year was our limited series, the Sibling Sit down, which we just wrapped up a couple of weeks ago. And so I also wanted to spend some time sitting, just kind of reflecting on that, because I feel like that was the first, like, real series that we've had as this version of the team, which has been exciting. And so any thoughts on the heels of that? Did you enjoy that is there anything that you're taking away from that you think about for maybe future series that we might do?

[Inde Tubu]

I really enjoyed it because it's like siblings. Sibling ship is such a broad topic that there are so many different points you can hit. And again, like we talked about, even if you don't have biological siblings, you can still have sibling, like, relationships with like close friends, cousins. And so I think, like, there is so much to talk about and no set group of siblings is the same. And I think I like, enjoyed kind of exploring those dynamics and also hearing things and you're like, oh, relatable. I think especially with the Amos siblings episode, I've been listening to her podcast, so I think listening to their episode and then listening to the Tough Cookie podcast, you're like seeing all of the dynamics at play. And it's such a blended family and I think so many of us are in blended families and those dynamics can be all over the place. But you're like, it makes me feel like, okay, like I'm not the only person navigating this. So I don't know. I think I like the idea of like speaking on something very broadly and like picking out all of the different threads and POVs. And I feel like there's still so much more we can talk about. I also love sisters. So the Skyler and Sunland episode, like, I realize I like collect sisters, sister friends. It's like a thing like sets of siblings.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

Like sets of sisters.

[Inde Tubu]

Yes. Like, I'll have one friend that's a sister and then just by proxy, I become friends with like the older or younger sister. But I just love sister dynamics. I don't know why. So it's always fun getting to know like, sisters. I think sisters are fun.

[Elise Ellis]

I was really excited for this series from the get go because sibling relationships are so complicated. And although there's a host of like, movies and media where siblings hate each other or they're best friends, I do think the general discussion in the way we may discuss like dating, I don't see that happen as much about siblings. So I think I was really excited for that reason. Like Inde said, I have two sisters. I love sisters. But I do think it can be like a complicated relationship because it in a way can also mirror like female friendship. And that's not something we uniquely explored. But I'm definitely excited to do that if slash when we do this again. And then I think what was really great about the Sean and Sarah Amos episode was realizing that your life with your siblings is not just your teens or your 20s or your 30s. Like, it is a lifelong relationship. And I do think a lot of the times when it comes to mending relationships, there is so much immediacy. And yes, like, not to be morbid, but, like, people pass, but you do have time, and things take time and like, life events can, you know, ebb and flow. Your sibling relationships. And so it was good to really see that, I guess, in real life practice with their episode. And that I thought was really beautiful too.

[Tyree Rush]

I love that. I think the big thing it made me think about in my own family is the intergenerational elements of being siblings. Like, you kind of think of your aunts and your uncles as, like, definitively yours, but then they have this, like, unique sibling relationship with your parents that you sort of unpack and like, how they're unhinged or, like, problem solve in different ways. Like, I know for me and my siblings, we have like, active conversations about now that is your grandma beef with her sisters. Don't get it. Don't get yourself involved in it because it's like, it's very easy to, like, think that you're taking aside and then they'll turn on you. So I thought about that. I thought about that a lot. And also I think what I appreciated about the Amos interview was just how. And they pointed out, like, they're a blended family. And I think that there's been like, a long seated shame and being blended families as black people, even though, like, we all kind of grew up with like, the Brady brunch and the Partridge family. But there's no, like, black media representation of that. Or if there is, it's kind of like a negative connotation to not having the same two parents. And the way that they're able to build their sibling relationship, especially as, like, only sharing a father, I think that it's a much different thing than sharing a mom where you might not feel as connected, but they have those relationships with their stepmothers as well. Like, it was really dope to see. And I'm excited to, like, do this next year as well.

[Inde Tubu]

Same. My cousin calls that vintage beef. He's like, you do not participate in vintage beef. I'm like, you're right.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

One of the things that was, I think, the coolest in kind of producing these conversations and like, just all the prep we did to kind of bring them to life was hearing more about your relationships with y' all siblings.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Right.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

Because that's not something that necessarily enters into team meetings all the time.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Time. Right.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

But as, of course, as we're thinking about what conversations are we going to want to have, then y' all started sharing about your relationships with your siblings. I wonder, did that lead to any additional conversations with your siblings? Like, either the prep work or stuff that you heard in the conversations with the siblings that we talk to?

[Inde Tubu]

Not yet, but it has, like, been on my mind. I think I'll share with you guys. I have, like, well, you know, mom, siblings, dad siblings. So I have a lot of siblings on my dad's side, and I feel like it's been easier to develop relationships with them as I've gotten older. And as they've gotten older, like, I'm a big sister to my two little sisters. And so, again, going back to the Amos siblings, when I was listening to their podcast, Sarah was talking to one of her older brothers, and he basically said that he talked about, like, how they had issues with their dad or whatever, and how he kind of, like, stopped talking to his dad. But he was like, I never realized that when I pushed him out, I pushed you out, too. He was like, that never occurred to me. And so he kind of, you know, talked about just, like, kind of going to repair that and looking at those relationships as two separate relationships. And so I think that is a thing that I have been navigating and also just learning to accept, like, just being like, you can't group all of these things together. Like, these relationships are separate. I feel like that's also something I've talked about in therapy, too, like, just separating those relationships. And so it's not something that we've spoken about, but I think just this year in general has been kind of like a big sibling year for me, like, spending more time with siblings. Even my sibling that I grew up with, like, talking to him more about what's going on in his life and not just being like, hey, what's up? So I, yeah, I feel like siblings. It's funny that we did the series. I feel like siblings have been, like, a big point in, like, the star of my year a bit, so it feels timely.

[Tyree Rush]

I tell everyone, like, I'm one of six children. And the way I break that down is that I'm in five group chats about one of them. And I know that there's, like, also one about me, but I think that after this, we've probably gotten a little bit better about, like, bringing some offline conversations to the main group chat that has all six people in it. So it's just, like, a little less behind your back talking Although we're going to keep that going because it is very funny.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

That feels like it would be very hard to make sure you're in the right group chat and not end up talking about the sibling that is not in the chat.

[Tyree Rush]

They all have like really specific names and so it's very like it's. It's a time like, you know, it's having like built in best friends. Which is funny because, like, it's a 20 year age gap between all six of us. It's just a lot of shit talking and I don't know, it keeps you sharp.

[Elise Ellis]

I think for me it was very refreshing that, you know, not that I want this for them, but that Sunland and Skylar got in an argument in Japan. I had just come back from Japan with my. And we transferred too late and one of the stations had closed. We had to take an Uber from the station. It wasn't like a crazy Uber or anything like that, but we really wanted to have like one successful intercity train trip. So we were going from Kyoto to Osaka and we didn't have that. And I look like she was leading us, giving the directions. And I was just like, you don't need to explain anymore. We just need to get out of the situation. So to know that sometimes it is refreshing. Like, I love my sister, like, I am her biggest fan, but we do argue. And sometimes I'm like, oh my God, I feel so bad. Like I don't want to argue with my little sister. But to have other people tell those stories, especially such a similar story, it was like, okay, I'm just human, not a terrible person. People have emotions. And then I thought what was also really refreshing for me, which I've talked a little bit with my siblings about, is like, how losing a parent can really like shift the relationships both for like, better and for worse. And I feel like it's something I've unpacked like within myself. Maybe my dad passed maybe six, seven years ago. So around that time I think it was something we were talking about a little more presently. But it has definitely inspired me to think about that or like think about my sibling relationships and how they shifted since then.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

It has felt like there has been a lot of energy once we wrapped the series, I think all of us felt very pleased with the way it turned out. And I definitely felt very alive, I think in those interviews because it kind of mimicked therapy in a lot of ways for me. I mean, clearly they weren't on the couch, so to speak, but I feel like I don't do a lot of therapy anymore. And so, like, talking with a sibling set and the dynamic was like, oh, I kind of miss this dynamic. And so we've definitely explored. Are there other angles to explore if we bring the series back? What might we want to do? So any kind of early preliminary thoughts for if there is a continuation of this series or a different version of this series? What other angles or maybe topics might we want to explore?

[Tyree Rush]

I've been watching the Braxtons, the, like, revamped version, and just the stuff that they've been going through as a family, and specifically Tamar, I think as a younger sibling, being gaslit constantly. And I mean, I'm using that term without a degree, but it does feel like that's what's happening. I would like to explore youngest sibling emergence and adulthood, because I do think that so much of your personality is formed by all of the siblings that came before you. But there's also this inability. And mind you, Tamar's mid to late 40s is an inability of the family at large to recognize your adulthood and autonomy. And how does that, like, impact you?

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

It's a good one.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

I have not tapped into this Braxton's reboot as of yet.

[Tyree Rush]

It's a lot I've seen.

[Inde Tubu]

It looks tumultuous. No, I think that's a good point. Like the baby of the family of it all. Sorry.

[Elise Ellis]

I definitely want to explore siblings who have started a business together and how that has affected their relationship. So that would be really interesting to me. Or who are in the entertainment business, because that does put a lot of pressures on family. And then the second thing I was thinking about, which I think extends more to family, but I've seen on TikTok and some, like, YouTube vlogs are siblings who live in, like, compounds. So it's like, this is your home connected to my home. And just, like, why they want to do that, because I was like, I kind of like that. So that was something that if, you know, we could find a pair of siblings who are doing that or have started to do that, I think would be really interesting.

[Tyree Rush]

That's actually not uncommon in New York. Like, if your family owns a house, converting it into multiple apartments. I know a couple of families like that.

[Inde Tubu]

My friends and I half joke about, like, living on a compound being, like, let's just put everybody in one place.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Feels very convenient.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

So thinking about, you know, like, a lot of the conversations we've had this year have been around, okay, how do we take care of ourselves, especially in this moment in history. This time of year is one where people kind of naturally are kind of thinking about more resting and reflecting and what are we bringing into the next year? What are we leaving in 2025? So when you look back at, like, any intentions or resolutions that you set for yourself in 2025, what did you keep up with and what did you let go?

[Tyree Rush]

Ooh, this is a good one. Okay, so I remember distinctly writing out the sentence that I wanted to ambitiously pursue pleasure because I think that I'm Capricorn naturally ambitious, naturally, like, following career paths and kind of like doing that. But it's very hard for me to, like, plan a vacation, take myself out for my birthday, or just do something just because it's, like, fun or do something that doesn't have an end goal in mind. So I was, like, very ambitious about doing that this year. This is the first year that I actually celebrated my birthday with cassette spa trip and went on, like, a weekend trip, like, just to go see the thing and planning, like, a trip for the end of the year and being, like, ambitious about it and that, like, I'm actually taking. Setting out times, like, put that together. It is a headache. I think that the reason why I haven't done it in the past is because I've just been waiting for someone else to do it for me. But what I have learned is, like, it's important to do those things.

[Inde Tubu]

I think I. This year. I mean, I think every year I'm like, move your body. Be active. It's just something I would do all the time. Not even as, like, a resolution, but it's like, an intention that I like to set. It is also helpful but sometimes stressful that my birthday is at the end of the year. So it's like, the beginning of the year for the world, but also the beginning of the year for me. It's like the end of the year, and I'm like, okay. I think I've been pretty consistently active. I love to go on a walk. I'm like, I do consider myself a real walker. Some people are like, I'm hot.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

It's sweating.

[Inde Tubu]

I'm like, no. Like, when I say walk, I mean, like, a few miles at least. So I'm proud of that. And I think I also. I'm a Sagittarius. I love spontaneity. And I am chronic busy body. And so I always have to, like, make myself be very intentional about how I'm spending my time and how I'm spending my money. Made some very adult decisions. When it's come to my time and my money this year, which don't always feel good in the moment, but you gotta pay the IRS sometimes. And so I don't even know if that's spending your money intentionally, but, like, you could choose not to. So it's doing things. You're like, okay, you're taking care of your future, future self. I do wish I, like, stepped into my care in other ways though this year. Like, you know, whenever you get a massage, you're like, I should do this more. And then I don't do it again for six months. So I want to do more of that.

[Elise Ellis]

But yeah, I say this year was about maintaining for me. I felt like in 2024, I established a lot of good habits and had like a very consistent routine. So this was about maintaining that. And I think I did that pretty well. I also am someone who, like, will over evaluate my routine and sometimes I'm like, I just have to let it work. So having periods where I wasn't planning, I think I was very successful at that. I told myself in 2025 I wanted to travel more, and I was like, okay, I did that. I had come to the realization that some weekends I was spending the amount on a flight, and I'm like, just stop going out as much. And it wasn't even like partying or doing anything crazy, but the amount of things that you just can do in a weekend. And so I've been enjoying my rent in 2025, and I'm very glad that I've been doing that. But also, I think I've gotten to know myself. Like, I've read a lot more in 2025, probably watch more movies than any other year. I have AMC stubs and the Alamo Drafthouse subscription. And like, yes, it's spending money, but it's like an initial investment once a month to spend. Sometimes I don't get food at the theater, so no money. But I feel like I've taken more time in 2025 just to have, like, not necessarily fun, but like pleasure to be a lot more slow. And sometimes I think with the things that I want to do, I'm like, okay, it needs to be done in.

[Inde Tubu]

A month, two months.

[Elise Ellis]

A lot of things this year have been done over like six, seven, eight months, a quarter. And so balance, like remembering it's a.

[Inde Tubu]

Marathon, not a sprint, was a big.

[Elise Ellis]

Goal of mine for 2025 than I think I successfully did. Like my apartment, it wasn't going to be done within the month of when I Moved in. There's still stuff that I'm doing now, my fitness journey. Like, yes, I can see gains and improvements in a month, but, like, it's what I do after that month that matters. Taking away some of the instant gratification that I was used to, I think that has been very successful for me. Something I would love to do better is. And they said some of the. I don't want to say more traditional self care, but, like, I'm not really a facial person. I maybe get a massage like twice a year. And so doing those other things that feel like luxuries, but I think they feel like luxuries. Well, they are luxury, but they don't have to feel like as big as an event if I just did them more often.

[Inde Tubu]

So I think that's what I'm thinking about in 2026. The reason why I said that is because we have our week off here. And I was like, I'm gonna do. I was like, I'm gonna do so much. And I. I did find myself programming a little too hard. But one thing I did was I went to the Korean spa for the first time where you're like, completely naked. Steam room, sauna, Jacuzzi. I got a full body scrub. You eat, you can sit under a million LED light. It is just so relaxing. And I was like, I need to do this at least once a month because, like, you just. I was spending like five hours in there. I mean, it felt like a treat. It's obviously not something I'm going to do every week, but it is something I want to, like, normalize. If you haven't been to the Korean spot, I had a great time. I had a blast. I feel like time stopped. And I feel like I definitely like to do things where time stops because in my brain, time is never stopping.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Anything to add for you, Terry?

[Tyree Rush]

No, not really. I think that besides the taking care of yourself, like, doing pleasure, all that jazz, I've been consistent. I'm probably letting something go in 2025. I just haven't figured out what it is yet. But I'm very much joining that woman on her staircase and dropping some things behind.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

So I love that meme so much. I look forward to her coming back at the end of every year.

[Inde Tubu]

She lives on. She really does.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

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[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

So you know, I feel like at several points and even in this conversation today, I have heard you all talk about like just making decisions around finances and stepping into that stage of your life where you're thinking about oh, I really got to be the adult in the room and like pay attention to finances and IRS stuff. And is there anything that you feel like you've incorporated this year that has allowed you to feel like maybe you have more freedom around finances or make different decisions that you're proud of related to finances?

[Inde Tubu]

I think one thing that was helpful for me, and this is like a less tangible thing, is like genuinely talking about finances with friends. Like one day my friends and I were all, it wasn't planned but we were all just kind of like sharing how much debt we had like overall and like what that looks like. And no one was like in a crazy position. But I feel like when it comes to just, like, getting your finances and everything in order. It's just something that you want to do quickly, like Ali said. And hearing other people's approaches to those things and, like, how they take care of them makes you, like, okay, I'm being responsible. Like, I'm being responsible. You can't take on everything at once. I am, like, newly talking to a financial planner because I'm like, all right, you know, goals, goals. How do we reach these goals? And how do I make smart decisions and just take advantage of the things I can take advantage of? So when I'm 60, I'm not like, what? So I think those have been the things for me and just, like, just continuing to look at what I have going on. There have been moments, especially in my 20s, I was like, I haven't looked at my bank account in two weeks. I don't know what's going on in there. But it is my business. It's no one else's business. It's definitely mine, though. But if it's not my business, then, like, what are we doing? So I feel, like, a lot better. Just, like, checking in and just, like, talking about it. I feel like when it's all in your head, it's, like, a lot easier to forgive your own misgivings. But when you're talking about it and you're just talking about it like you're talking about the weather, it's easier to kind of create some structure around it.

[Tyree Rush]

This one's interesting for me because we started this year, our January jumpstart. One of the episodes was with Amy Griffin about estate planning. And it opened some, like, threads to me personally about how I've looked at money and, like, wealth and community traditionally. And I think growing up in, like, a large family, having so many siblings, like, if there was a field trip that I went on, wanted to go on, that cost $20. I've always had to evaluate, did my parents have six sets of $20 so that we could all go on the field trip? And if I didn't think that they could, then I wouldn't ask because it was. It was impossible. And I think I carried that sort of, like, community mindset of, like, my money is our money. I can't afford to do this because inevitably someone's going to need money. And so I need to make sure that I'm saving it so that when this person needs it, I'll be able to have it. And that episode that we did with Amy Griffin got me more so into thinking that, no, this is your life. And your money and what you leave behind is what you leave behind. But this is what you're supposed to live with and like learning more. So how to think of like, my finances as being just for me. And then especially because I went into the year saying we're going to pursue some pleasure. Pleasure ain't cheap. So I had to, you know, get, get more comfortable with just like spending on myself. Which probably sounds insane to people who know me, but definitely just reframed my mind around that.

[Inde Tubu]

You sound like a Capricorn. All Capricorns. And not even like literally Capricorns are so like, my money is very black and white.

[Tyree Rush]

Yeah, we added a little, a little splash of taupe in there this year. We'll see if we can make it the full color.

[Elise Ellis]

My mom is a Capricorn and I can definitely see that in her. There's such a giving people and I appreciate that. But I'm like, you don't have to think about other people in this situation right now. Like, it is your money, it's your time. I always have to tell my mom that, even in planning, like her birthday, sometimes she'll be like, well, so and so doesn't eat this. And I'm like, well, so and so.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

Doesn'T have to come.

[Elise Ellis]

It is your birthday. But that's such a good question, Dr. Joy. And I agree with indeed about looking at your money. I went out and I'm like, oh my God, I don't even remember how much I spent. And then I used to like have this anxiousness and it's like, the number isn't going to change whether you look at it or not. So you might as well just look at it. And then having a plan, even though planning plans change every week. I do my budget and I look at my budget and I say, how much am I going to spend this weekend down to? Like, yes, I have matcha at home. I have all the things at home. Am I gonna buy one outside sometime this week? And I do think just looking at it at that frequency and then trying to have a budget, I celebrated like my five year homecoming. And I was like, okay, I'm spend 300 this weekend and I spent less than $300. But having that goal and just like having the money set aside well ahead of time, but then also being able to go out and just know, like, okay, I have a bit of a cushion here. Like, I wouldn't spend $300 on a normal day out, but I could because I planned for it. And I think you're able to plan when you understand your cash flow a lot better. Something that I find that I did last year that actually stopped doing this year was, I hope they don't want to sponsor the podcast, but there was a. What was it? The Afrocket. I used to use it and I felt that it did make me lazy in understanding my own finances. Yes, they track your subscriptions and yes, it's easy, but it kind of felt like I was still putting it in someone else's hands. And I wasn't as intimate, but I also felt like, oh, because I'm tracking it, it's fine. But it didn't feel like, okay, I actually know. And now I feel just a lot smarter about my money now that I do it myself. Like pen and paper or like notes app, Excel spreadsheet. The fact that, like, I have control over it. This is not like anti AI or anything. I appreciate that part of it. But you know something? I saw her name is Melody, like George Lucas's wife. I forgot Hobson. Yes. Something she had said was children need to see physical cash because they don't have the concept of money coming in and money coming out. And when I was a kid, if I had a debit card that my parents would, like, put like $60 a month on for allowance. But everything I bought for the most part was physical cash. Like, if I went on a field trip, and I think maybe we've lost a little bit of that in adulthood. And so being able to use Excel pen and paper, sometimes I'll even have like, post it notes like, this is how much you're spending on this this week. I think that has replaced how cash used to work in my life. And so I really found her saying that to be, like, really important and honestly, like, transformational for me. So the more tactile I've been with my money, I think the better I've spent it. And even like, I went to ATM yesterday to get money for my house cleaner. And it's like when you see 200 leave, they physically come out that 20 is real. Okay, that's not 200 at Norser's Rack.

[Inde Tubu]

Right.

[Elise Ellis]

So, yeah, I think that if I, like, had to give a piece of advice, I'm like, I would say, you know, most banks have a tracking within the bank. So I don't think you need these extra apps. I think you need pen and paper and Excel spreadsheet. You can even use chat GPT and put like all of your, like, oh, okay. These are the bills I have this week. And it can give you information. But I think the more you're able to do that on your own, it does help the way you look at your money.

[Inde Tubu]

If anyone has a budget spreadsheet or something that they recommend, let me know, because I feel like my system is not sophisticated enough and it's not automated whatsoever. So, you know, send them my way.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

You need some assistance in that area. So at least, you know, I feel like some of your comments are a perfect setup for my next question, which is around the propaganda that you are not falling for anymore. So part of what you were talking about is like, oh, automate everything, right? Like, I really want to be more tactile with my money. So what propaganda are you leaving in 2025? What are you no longer falling for?

[Inde Tubu]

For?

[Elise Ellis]

I can't lie. Like, I'm an ambitious person. Like, I have goals. But sometimes you don't have to have a goal. Like, you can. It's okay to just be out here on vibes sometimes. I think we need more people who are just experiencing life. Like, I. I think especially when you're on social media, it can be extremely overwhelming seeing the amount of content that's like, how to plan this, how to do xyz. I'm not. I'm kind of against that. Like, I miss the error. I like vlogs. I like just seeing people go about their day. I guess, like, for some people, cooking is a goal, but I like things that don't feel like, yes, there are skills that can compound, but they don't feel. I think we've professionalized our personal lives a little too much. So I'm maybe not falling for that propaganda wholly. Like, yes, it works in some aspects, but in some aspects, it's the, like, you're a human. And so I think that is what I'm not falling for when I'm leaving behind in 2026.

[Inde Tubu]

It's kind of similar to what Elise was saying about decorating her apartment, because I feel like I've experienced that this year too. And I remember, like, maybe two apartments ago, I got in there and I was like, it needs to look cute in here, and it needs to look cute in here right now. And I just bought a bunch of stuff. Bought a bunch of, like, artwork that didn't really mean anything but, like, was cute. And none of that stuff is stuff I'm still using now. And so I think I was so concerned with, like, how I wanted things to feel in the moment that I did not think about, like, how I would feel in however long or like, what it meant to me or being able to look back, you know, when I have a home and be like, I got this in this place, and it's special to me because. And so I think that applies to not only putting together your space, whether you're in an apartment that you're paying rent at or a house or whatever, but just like, intentionality behind, like, how you're doing things. I think especially when you want to do a lot of things, it can feel like you need to do those things fast. And I think some things need to be done fast. But bulldozing through, creating stuff, bulldozing through just like learning about yourself and what you like is. Can kind of feel like a disservice. So I've just been kind of trying to just like, resist the urge to just make things turn around very quickly. That makes sense.

[Tyree Rush]

Slow and steady wins the race.

[Inde Tubu]

Okay, tortoise. Tortoise.

[Tyree Rush]

I have two. The first one is I'm no longer falling for the propaganda of or the optics of supporting black owned. I think that we keep getting finagled into supporting things. And most recently, it's been a thing that I actually really think is cool, which is the Pierre labor bag. Pierre labor is a Haitian American designer that makes these really intricate handmade mohair purses. And people really go up for the quality and craftsmanship. And I think that it's great. They're selling out, like, super fast, but I don't think that they're selling out for the right reasons. And that's kind of the thing where I'm trying to steady myself and encourage other people to really look at the ways in which we are supporting, you know, some of these black owned businesses. Sometimes we're looking for an optic and it's like, sure, I could buy Beyonce's latest fragrance, but if the goal is to, like, stimulate black economies, I could get it from the African shop. And like, that's actually doing more for, like, my direct community than this other thing. So looking at if we're really into the idea of supporting black owned and wanting craftsmanship and wanting quality, does that exist in our communities? Which I believe it does in a way that isn't currently being platformed and focusing more on that than just trying to be attached to the thing that's featured in Essence or going viral on TikTok. And then the second thing is slip and your deep conditioner. I don't think it works. I think that a good deep conditioner needs to feel like it's already bonded to your hair. And I just don't believe it. I don't believe the Curly Nicky tribe telling you about slip. I think that big conditioner is tricking us out of our dollars. And I'm going to. I'm going to stand behind that one.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

Okay. So then I feel like I got to know, like, what deep conditioner are you loving then?

[Tyree Rush]

Okay. I actually really do like the sacred deep conditioner. And I think people are complaining that it doesn't have enough slip, but like I said, I feel like it needs to be. We're trying to do some cuticle repair right here.

[Elise Ellis]

Like, why does the deep conditioner need to have slip? It's not a shampoo.

[Tyree Rush]

Yeah. It's like I'm going under the dryer, and when I come out, I want to, like, feel like there's nothing to wash out, even though I'm still going to do, like, that's. That's what a good conditioner does. But we've been lied to a lot around. I think this. We're still in an era of 4C girlies trying to look like Zendaya hair wise. And, you know, we got to work out of that slowly. So it's a lifelong process.

[Inde Tubu]

I'm like, I'm trying to remember the last time I used the conditioner that I felt like it was like, not like marrying with my hair. I don't know. But maybe, maybe my expectations are too low. But I'm just like.

[Elise Ellis]

Because I wouldn't want, like a thinner. I wouldn't want a conditioner conditioner was slip now that, like, I want a thick conditioner.

[Inde Tubu]

Yeah. That like, coats your hair.

[Tyree Rush]

Everyone's like, it needs to have. It needs to be dripping. I'm like, no, I need all this product to stay.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

That's the point.

[Elise Ellis]

No, no.

[Inde Tubu]

I'll say the other light side of, like, the propaganda I'm not falling for is everything being a sample sale. We are using sample sale way too loosely. And I say this while I'm wearing a shirt from a sample sale that was not a sample sale price. But that's another. I guess I just got caught up in the moment. But I feel like everything is being called sample sale, sample sale, sample sale. Because, like, it'll. It like, sounds chic, but no, you are liquidating old product that, like, at the time, you did not really care about quality as much. You're trying to get rid of it and make a quick buck. But these are not samples and they're, you know, I think like, everybody is calling things a sample, so you should really just call it a sale or call it clearance. But clearance doesn't sound as sexy and so that's propaganda. I'm not falling for.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

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[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

I don't know that I ever fell for this propaganda, but I really want to leave it in 2025. This idea of cutting people off very quickly, right? So any disagreement, any tension, any conflict automatically means That I need to protect my piece and leave this relationship where it is. And I feel like we do that way too often, or at least I see a lot of conversation around it. That makes me very uncomfort. It feels like people are not actually practicing good relationship skills, but instead just running to avoid conflict. And I really want us to get more comfortable just being in the messy middle with people because that is where relationships flourish. So that's the propaganda I'm not falling for.

[Tyree Rush]

That's a good one plus one to that.

[Inde Tubu]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

So I feel like we cannot have a conversation with this group in specific without hearing some of your best of the year. So Elise has already told us that she has multiple movie house subscriptions. I know that all of you frequent the movies and shows kind of a lot. So what was your best film of 2025?

[Elise Ellis]

I'll start because I have three and off the dome. The first two, to me, are like, equally as great for different reasons, but Sinners in One Battle After Another. Both movies I've seen, like five times, like, great films. And I appreciate that they were long, I think propaganda I'm not falling for. And everything does not need to be short and digestible. Okay. And so I just watched Sinners this weekend, and I also watched One Battle.

[Inde Tubu]

After Another again, and I was like.

[Elise Ellis]

Wow, these are amazing films. So those are like. Like 1 and 2. You can place them however you want. This third was Twin List. It was. I wouldn't even say it was an indie film, but it had. I didn't watch Teen Wolf, but the guy from Teen Wolf, Dylan o'.

[Inde Tubu]

Brien.

[Elise Ellis]

But basically it's about a guy who loses his twin and the friendship he forms after that. I thought it was really good. It was very creepy, for sure. But, like, I cried during the film, and I thought the way it portrayed grief was really great. So it was definitely an underrated film. And then there was another film called Lurker that I really loved. Another creepy film. I think this was in terms of some of, like, the more indie smaller films that I saw this year. A lot of them were creepy. But if I had to tell people, like, what was my 20, 25 films? I'd say One Battle After Another, Sinners, Twinless, and Lurker. I loved those films.

[Inde Tubu]

That's a good one. I really enjoyed. I mean, obviously Sinners, I really enjoyed Lurker. Like, Lurker made me feel. So the soundtrack, like, everything. And it was just so, like, I feel like they really captured the dynamic of that mysterious group around an artist. So Well, I was like, this person, and they said, the writer used to work in music. I think I was like, I can definitely tell because that, like, vibe. I was like, yes, this is exactly what it feels like. I'm trying to talk about it. That could be spoilers without spoiling it. I'll say, are we just talking movies? Are we talking, like, are we going to shift into category?

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

No, we just. Just. We don't have time to do all the categories.

[Inde Tubu]

You're right. You're right. I'm like, we don't. Definitely. Sinners takes the cake as number one on my. On my pyramid. There have been two moments this summer where a friend was like, I have to see Sinners. I'm like, sit down, please.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

You're watching.

[Inde Tubu]

I feel like I'm not doing a good job as a friend. If you haven't seen Sinners. And so Sinners might be the movie that, like, finally makes me start collecting movies in an analog way, because I'm like, I need to have things on tap when there's no Internet, all of those things. So Sinners, definitely. I also did love One battle after another. I'll also add two others. I really liked this movie called Together.

[Elise Ellis]

It was like a body horror, and.

[Inde Tubu]

It was a very creepy movie, but I feel like it explored Dr. Joe. You'd probably have some, like, interesting therapy takes on it.

[Elise Ellis]

It explores. No, that's. Yeah, I agree.

[Inde Tubu]

Very, like, in a very interesting way and in a literal way in terms of the horror aspect. But Together was just like. I love a movie that, like, makes me just feel weird. Like, I'm, like, on a ride at Disney World or something.

[Elise Ellis]

And it was funny. It was funny.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

It was funny.

[Elise Ellis]

Yeah.

[Inde Tubu]

It kind of, like, made fun of itself. And I was like, oh, this was such a fun watch. So I really enjoyed Together and a latecomer in, like, movies that I really enjoyed. This year, Tessa Thompson starred in a movie called Hetta.

[Tyree Rush]

Yeah, that was on my list. Yeah.

[Elise Ellis]

Yeah.

[Inde Tubu]

And it's directed by a black woman. It's, like, shot beautifully. The pacing is really nice. Like, and I. And I do enjoy Tessa Townsend as an actress. I wish I would have seen it in a theater because I just think some things just need to be on a bigger screen. But Hedda was like, you know, it's kind of. Tessa Thompson plays, like, a complex black woman who's, like, kind of villainous. But I just enjoyed seeing that on screen. And I also love a movie that takes place in one setting. Like, the entirety of it happens at a party. And So I love just exploring so many things that can be happening at one time in that scene. I think that's on Amazon prime, and I really enjoyed it. And I'm like, somebody needs to put this on a movie screen. So those are my faves, definitely.

[Tyree Rush]

Plus one to Hedda. That was, like, one of the first plays I read in college. And seeing them artfully take on the addition of Race into that storytelling was great. I'm not a big fan of Tessa Thompson's acting, so I was very impressed to see her in that role. Another thing that I really liked this year was Bonia. I think Emma Stone is just making really strong acting choices. I know that there's some controversy around the portrayal of womanhood in her work and with her directing partner, but I don't know.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

These.

[Tyree Rush]

These movies are getting me. I was also a big fan of Poor Things, so it just might be my genre. And then last. I mean, Love Centers, of course. I was actually not as big of a fan of One Battle after another. I think we could have taken 45 minutes out of the film. And I wish that both Teyana Taylor and Chase Infinity's characters had more of a full arc in their storytelling. The Mastermind, that's probably the last one I thought was, like, really good. Even though I don't like Haim.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Who is that?

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

Yeah, Haim.

[Tyree Rush]

Haim, one of the girls from Haim the Band. She was on Licorice Pizza. She's in this movie too. And I'm just like, I can't stand you, but this I'll do. Yeah.

[Inde Tubu]

I can't say I get. I get hame, but I saw Licorice and I. I did not enjoy that movie.

[Tyree Rush]

I saw Licorice Pizza and I said, oh, this is.

[Inde Tubu]

Oh, a little problematic. I also played, Speaking of Licorice Pizza, a long walk with.

[Elise Ellis]

I haven't seen it.

[Inde Tubu]

I really enjoyed it.

[Elise Ellis]

Like, I heard mixed reviews. And the same people who love that movie loved Weapons. And as someone who wants to have that movie scrubbed from all streaming, I don't. Oh, I know. I can't. I can't believe y' all made me go see Weapons.

[Inde Tubu]

No Weapons, I feel like was just, like, absurd. But I do enjoy absurdity. But I like to Long walk. I will say the only thing is that. And now I'm not. I think his name is David. I'm forgetting the black man in the movie, the main lead.

[Elise Ellis]

Who was in industry.

[Inde Tubu]

Who was in industry? Yes, exactly.

[Tyree Rush]

Oh, Don Johnson or like, David.

[Inde Tubu]

David, whatever.

[Tyree Rush]

It's like. It's A basic English name.

[Inde Tubu]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tyree Rush]

Yeah.

[Inde Tubu]

I think he's a great actor, but his accent was fighting for his life in that movie. And, like, that's one thing I just could not get past. He was, like, from the south, and I was, like, distracted by his. I don't know who his accent trainer was on that movie, but I have thoughts. But I did enjoy the movie. And what Seymour. I'm forgetting. I feel like Barbara on Abbott Elementary. I can't remember anyone's name.

[Elise Ellis]

Verhoffman's son. Thank you.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

Yes.

[Inde Tubu]

He is a good actor, and I didn't know he was this time when I saw him in Licorice Pizza. And so, of course, there's, like, more press around it, but he's a good actor, so I think they were a good pairing. But you should watch it at least. I enjoyed Long Walk. A Long Walk.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

I have not seen most of these things that y' all are talking about. Sinners, I think, is where we're gonna.

[Elise Ellis]

Lock you in a room, clearly.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

And I hear your. I appreciate the takes on Together. I've never heard of that, but it does not sound like something I will watch, but I feel like I might be curious now that y' all are saying it's funny. And also, there may be some good, like, therapy takes, so I might actually brave that one and get back to y' all on that.

[Inde Tubu]

Thank you.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

So we do not have time to go into all of our. Oh, Elise, was there another one that you want to add to your list?

[Elise Ellis]

Not a movie, but I did have an album that, like, I cannot not, not talk about.

[Inde Tubu]

Okay. But Black Star.

[Elise Ellis]

How do you say her name is Amore?

[Tyree Rush]

I say, oh, yeah.

[Inde Tubu]

Black Star. Omra.

[Elise Ellis]

I love that album. I think I wrote about this in my newsletter, but I felt like my issue with Charlie XCX's brat, although I did like it, was that it felt like the Tumblr interpretation of, like, pop indie sleaze music. And it wasn't bad. But what I love about Blackstar is that it pulls from dance scenes from across the diaspora. So, like, Brazil, Ghana, and so it feels, like, very studied. It's a great album. Like, the music is great. It's great to dance to. I'm gonna go see her here in la. I'm very excited. But I really like how. Okay, I think people have wanted not necessarily house music, but just, like, dance, like, party music. This is that for 2025, 2026. And it's not borrowing from the past, although it references it. But then the features like Naomi Campbell's on the album Pink Panthers, Charlie Wilson. And I was very shocked at that for like this is only her second album. I wouldn't say she's that big. So also the people she was able to get but. Or it's actually her third album. But I loved it. I thought this was the best album of the year.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

So that's my little.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

Okay, so I feel like we gotta give India and Tyree their shot at album of the year since the least. Or if you want to do a separate category, your best something. So it could be album or some other thing that you want to give a shout out to. Okay.

[Inde Tubu]

Feel very drawn. And so I'm gonna say it. Olivia Dean's album, it's a fantastic album. It centers around like navigating breakup and like finding yourself after breakup, whatever. And she is just like. I know she co writes a lot of her songs, but she's just a great performer.

[Elise Ellis]

It's a beautiful.

[Inde Tubu]

Like some albums, it's so hard to just pick one song and front to back, it's like finishing it. Starting and finishing a book. And so that has just been consistently on a repeat since it came out. I bought the record and I got thank you God tickets to see her next year. So I'm very excited to see her. It's just been like. And I love any song that's like, this is about my sadness. I'm like, yes.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

And dial me in.

[Inde Tubu]

So I feel like I have no choice. Like that's my. My album of the year for sure.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Okay.

[Tyree Rush]

I don't know that I have a favorite anything yet. I just started listening to the Fall that Saved Us this Morning by odl. So that might be it. It's really. It's really resonating with me. But nothing on the music front that's like this took over for me now. Next week when I look at my apple music wrapped, maybe I'll have different opinions. But.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Yeah.

[Tyree Rush]

Is it ODL or Odile? I'm really.

[Inde Tubu]

I think it's Odile.

[Tyree Rush]

Okay. Odile and Destin Conrad I think are doing a lot for me in terms of men singing R B. So I'll give them. I'll give them their tens.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Yeah.

[Inde Tubu]

Leon Thomas as well, I have enjoyed.

[Tyree Rush]

You know, he screwed up a couple of times, but aside from that. Yes. You'll get an 8 on the Richter scale.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

There we go. So one of my favorite things to do in the therapy for black girls community is to offer permission slips at the end of the year. So I typically am talking about something like you know, you have permission to make the holidays whatever you'd like. If you had a permission slip to offer to our community and our audience as they wrap up 2025 and head into 2026, what would it be?

[Tyree Rush]

Ooh, boom. Okay, I've been saying this to people a lot. So my permission slip would be to be an active participant in your own life.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

That's a good one.

[Inde Tubu]

I'll say. My permission slip would be that you have permission to be cocky. Do I have to explain it?

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

No.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

I feel like that is perfectly self explanatory.

[Elise Ellis]

I'd say you have permission to be curious and deep. I like, will reply to people's Instagram stories with like very deep questions. I'm like, why did you post that? And it's a social media network, so you have like not to be faux social to be actually social. Okay.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

I feel like these are all very fitting of who I know you all to be. No, no, no. I love, I love the, the wanting to step into it right and like talk yourself right back up all the great things you've done. So remind the people where they can find y'.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

All.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

Inde, what is your website and any socials that you want to share.

[Inde Tubu]

My website is my first and last name indetubu.com and I am Indee Lasso on social platforms. I feel like mostly on Twitter. I'm like mostly a retweeter these days. I've gotten a bit lazy sharing my thoughts on Twitter, so maybe I'll get back to that. But that's me.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Have you made the, made the jump to threads yet?

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

I feel like I still don't see you there.

[Inde Tubu]

No, I, I saw my threads account and I was making threads posts in like 2023. Usually I go on threads when Instagram like promotes those little things, that little carousel, but I never think to write anything on threads. But people are like, have you seen it on threads? And chances are I have not. Unless you told me so know I'm always like, I'll look at that. But then I don't.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

You got it, Elise.

[Elise Ellis]

My Instagram is my first and last name and so is my website and.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

So is my TikTok and your substack, your newsletter.

[Elise Ellis]

It's called A few minutes. So it's a few minutes.substack.com perfect.

[Tyree Rush]

And Tyree, you can find me on any platform at Tyroven. T, Y, R E, L, V I N. And I'm on threads, but not.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

Really just in, in name only.

[Tyree Rush]

I mean, I, I what Is it called when you, like, you're a monitoring spirit? I sew, I weave.

[Inde Tubu]

I'm definitely a threads monitoring spirit.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

I feel like that is a separate conversation for another day. This whole idea of monitoring experience, that's another topic to dive into.

[Inde Tubu]

Oh, yeah. Can I share one small anecdote?

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Yes.

[Inde Tubu]

Tmi. So, okay, I live in, like, an old building. I've already been in an old building. We are also in Georgia. Critters everywhere. A few days ago, I saw a gecko in my bathroom. And I know they're around. I know they're around. He, like, calmly, like, walked from behind my toilet underneath my bathroom sink, and I was like, okay, don't come in. So I had them sealed, completely sealed. So I'm Googling, of course. I'm like, what does that mean?

[Elise Ellis]

Like, what?

[Inde Tubu]

What? Literally, I'm like, what does that mean? And so sometimes, you know, when you're, like, typing it in in Google, you like to see what other people are searching. And so, of course, I'm like, you know, people are like, depending on who you ask. Geckos are good luck. It means that someone's look watching after you. And then someone's like, a gecko is a monitoring spirit. A gecko means that someone wants to worst me. I'm like, oh, my God. Can we please? So all that to say, geckos are not monitoring spirits.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

Oh, my God.

[Elise Ellis]

That's.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

That's so funny that that's your inclination. I don't think that I've ever Googled. What does such and such mean as a.

[Inde Tubu]

Like, I'm all like a, you know.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

Woman or something spiritual.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

That is so interesting. I mean, I have plenty with my Louisiana background. Right? Like, I know what a lot of things, but I don't know that I've ever Googled, like, oh, this thing happened. What does this mean?

[Inde Tubu]

Because I see them outside, I'm like, and why you want me to see you so bad? Why? Who are you? Like, show yourself out. Literally, I'm like, grandma. Okay. It's not my grandmother.

[Elise Ellis]

Oh, my gosh.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

Well, as always, such a treat to chat with y'. All. Thank y' all so much for joining me for this conversation today.

[Tyree Rush]

Yes, of course.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

It's always so much fun to chat.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

With the production team. I really hope you enjoyed this episode. And a huge shout out to Elise.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Who was just named on the Forbes 30 under 30 list. Congratulations, Elise. Did you know that you could leave us a voicemail with your suggestions and questions for the podcast? If there's a book you want to suggest or movies that you'd like us to review. Or if you have thoughts about topics.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

You'D like us to discuss, drop us.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

A message at Memo FM Therapy for Black Girls and let us know what's on your mind. We just might feature it on the podcast. If you're looking for a therapist in your area, visit our therapist [e-mail] directory. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram at Therapy for Black Girls and come on over and join us in our Patreon Channel for exclusive updates, behind the scenes content and much more. You can join us at community.therapy for black girls.com this episode was produced by Elise Ellis, Inde Chubu and Tyree Rush. Editing was done by Dennison Bradford. Thank you all so much for joining me again this week. I look forward to continuing this conversation with you all real soon. Take good care. Many of us play lots of different roles in life partner, employee, caregiver. And many of us also think about another role that could take our life where we want it to be. Degree Holder that's where National University comes in. They've been busy since 1971 creating more ways for you to work earning a degree into your hectic life. NU confers more graduate degrees to diverse populations than any other institution in the country, with more than half being earned by by women. With flexible online formats, NU makes higher education possible and achievable for busy working adults. Learn more today at nu.edu. if you're tired of the tug, the heat and the hours it takes to blow dry, I got you covered. Revair is a reverse air hair dryer that's changing the game for textured hair. It dries, stretches and smooths your hair all at once. With way less heat, less damage and less time, Revair will be your new best friend. And right now, Revair is offering their lowest price of the season. So treat yourself to healthy hair and get more time back in your day. Visit myraver.com today to shop their holiday sale. That's myravaire.com your crown deserves it. Living with an autoimmune condition isn't easy and every journey is different. That's why Season five of Untold Life with a severe Autoimmune condition from Ruby Studio in Argenics shares powerful firsthand stories from people with conditions like MG and cidp. Hosted by Martine Hackett, these conversations dive into what resilience really looks like through setbacks, breakthroughs and finding strength in community. Listen on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This episode of Therapy for Black Girls is brought to you by Chase Sapphire Reserve. Whether you are booking your next trip or a weekend escape, Chase Sapphire Reserve is your gateway to the world's most captivating destinations. When you use your Chase Sapphire Reserve card, you get eight times points on all purchases made through Chase Travel and even access to one of a kind experiences like music festivals and sports events. And that's not even mentioning how the card gets you into the Sapphire Lounge by the club at select airports nationwide. Travel is more rewarding with Chase Sapphire Reserve. Trust me. Discover [e-mail] Sapphire Reserve cards issued by JP Morgan Chase Bank NA member FDIC subject to credit approval terms apply.

[Elise Ellis]

Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap.

[Host/Moderator (likely Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford or main producer)]

You're almost at the finish line.

[Elise Ellis]

But first. Ah there the last one.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes.

[Elise Ellis]

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