A (3:50)

Thank you for that. And one of the big powers of what you've created is that it is, say, asynchronous. You don't have to be in live connection. Many of us, thanks to the Pandemic, are very familiar with synchronous communication. But the tool allows you to do this asynchronously and provide very specific videos for people to leverage. Now I know beyond just really thinking about bringing video to the enterprise, you spend a lot of time thinking about how to integrate videos into our work life and our workflows. What best practices have you learned that can really help people be more effective at integrating video into what they do?

B (4:25)

It's funny because in listening to this podcast and other episodes, I feel like a lot of things end up being consistent in terms of what is good ways to use asynchronous video. And one of those is you already talked about it, which is show, don't tell. I think one of the things about loom is that 93% of videos that are recorded on our platform, they have a screen component to them. They're not just talking heads. And that allows people to show their work, not just tell about it. There's also keep it concise. We actually have a feature on our three tier of Loom that is a five minute limit. And we have had a lot of people talk about the fact that should be a paid feature to implement a recording limit. And then the third thing that I think about is being Authentic. The thing about recording video and sending it is that you can watch it back, you can hear your own voice, you can know the stumbles and say, I can rerecord that I might be able to do it better. But in a meeting you can't go back. In a face to face conversation, you can't go back in time, right? And so just be authentic and lean into that authenticity. And that's what really resonates and builds trust with people. And the last thing that I'd say with Async video is that even though we're bringing consumer behavior to the workplace, it is still a new skill for a lot of people to record and share video as a form of communication. And so just think of Async video as a skill that you can build and develop over the course of time. We actually have had many users and customers write into us that they started using loom and because it was the only consistent way that they've ever heard themselves played back, that they've improved their communication as a result of just clicking play on themselves, no matter how painful it is. Because pain is gain. And so just think of Async video as a skill.

A (6:14)

Taking the time to watch yourself is perhaps the best way to improve communication skills. And with a tool like yours, it allows you the opportunity to try slightly different variations and compare them literally side by side so you can see how that looks different. I tell people this is like going to the dentist. And I do not mean offense to anybody who is a dentist. My uncle was a dentist. A lot of us don't like going to the dentist, but we're super glad we went. Some of what you're talking about is exactly that. Take the time to record yourself. Watch that recording. As Joe said, it is a skill and it is a skill that you can develop. All athletes watch their videos. Coaches use those videos to help the athletes. It's a great skill. The notion of focusing on showing really valuable. I think it's fascinating that over 90% of the folks that use your tool have something else on the screen besides just them that shows you how much people are using it to show being concise and clear. I love that you have a feature. I wish we could build that into everyday interaction. Wouldn't that be great? And then finally be who you are, be authentic. You don't have to put filters on and be somebody you're not when you do this, that authenticity matters. We'll be right back to finish our conversation, but first we're going to take a quick break. For a message from our sponsors. These sponsorships support the cost of making our show, allowing us to bring it to you free of charge. Hi Matt here I work hard to sharpen my skills and keep improving as a communicator and teacher. That's why I love learning from Masterclass. I get to learn directly from experts and leaders shaping their industries. As I was doing research for my latest book on spontaneous speaking, I learned a lot from actress and podcaster Amy Poehler's Masterclass on preparing to be unprepared. For as little as $10 a month billed annually, you get unlimited access to more than 200 classes, all taught by the world's best business leaders, writers, chefs and innovators. Each lesson is short, practical and genuinely motivating. Perfect for anyone who loves learning but doesn't have a lot of time. Plus, every new membership comes with a 30 day money back guarantee, so there's no risk. Masterclass isn't extra credit, it's your edge. So why not see what you can learn today? Right now? Think fast. Talk Smart listeners get 15% off any annual membership@masterclass.com thinkfast that's masterclass.com thinkfast learn from the best to become your best. Hi Matt here the Big Short by bestselling author Michael Lewis tells the story of the buildup and burst of the US housing market back in 2008. A decade ago the story was made into an Academy Award winning movie. Now Michael Lewis is bringing it to life in a new audiobook narrated by the author himself for the first time. The Big Short Story what it means to bet against the market and who really pays for an unchecked financial system is as relevant today as as it has ever been. Get the Big Short now at Pushkin FM Audiobooks or wherever audiobooks are sold. So before we end, I'd like to ask you two questions that I'm asking everyone who's part of this miniseries. Who is a communicator you admire and why?

B (9:24)

This is going to be a basic answer as well, in the sense that, like Steve Jobs, I think he's undeniable. But I wanted to call out not just his keynotes. I think that the recordings that I go back to on a very regular basis are the informal Q&As that he's done with Apple employees, where I find it really fascinating to study those. And Mike, the CEO of Atlassian, does something very similar to Steve in our town halls where he'll pause and he'll really think about an answer for 10, 15 seconds, which seems like an eternity, right? But that allows him to shape the communication in his head such that it is thoughtful, but it is also not skirting around what the real answer is, like the no BS answer. And so I feel like Steve Jobs was truly excellent at that.

A (10:19)

Many of us, when we think of Steve Jobs, we think of those big keynotes or the amazing address he gave at Stanford's graduation many years ago. But in fact, he was also pretty expert at the Q and A piece. And that's where I really think the rubber meets the road. Because you can prepare and practice and have a lot of help in those planned communications, but in those on the spot moments, that's a lot harder. Second and final question, beyond loom your tool, what is one communication hack or tool or shortcut that you use personally to help you be more effective?

B (10:52)

So this one is probably more for managers and leaders, but when I actually adopted it, it was incredibly helpful for me in order to reduce my anxiety and communic with a team. It's a framework called Do Try Consider. A lot of times when you are communicating things to your team, especially if you're in a position of authority, if you don't frame what your message is to them through Do Try Consider, they're all going to take it as gospel, like, we need to go off and do this. And so when somebody finally introduced to me three years ago this do try Consider framework, it actually radically changed my ability to share feedback in a higher volume, while also knowing that I trust that it's not going to be misconstrued on the other side. So do in this scenario is used extremely rarely, at least for myself personally, which is I have extremely high conviction on this. I'm asking you to do this right like this. This isn't a try or consider. Try is if it's a design concept. I'm not saying that this is a thing that we're going to ship, but I would love for you to experiment and tinker with the designs in this way and then we can come back and have a conversation about it. And then consider is used 80 to 85% of the time, which is just, hey, this is a random thought. I think it's relevant, but I don't know. You're the owner of your work and you need to take it as like just another data point relative to all of the other things that you're considering. And so that was a huge communication hack for me as a leader is making sure that I communicate whether this is a do try consider to make sure that something that was a consider wasn't taken and come back three months later and I'm like oh no, I forgot I even said that.

A (12:30)

I really appreciate not only you sharing that, but also teaching that to us. And you're right, many leaders, when they will say things, people take it as a do when in fact it was meant as a try or consider. It's the preamble that you give to your comment that helps people understand. This is a try, this is a consider. And the fact that we look at our thoughts as leaders and even colleagues I would argue as either do try or consider helps us to frame and makes the communication more clear for the recipient. Joe, thank you. When I think about it, a lot of what you're about is helping make things clear and easier. We are a visual species. Seeing things helps us a lot and loom as a tool is really helpful for us doing that. Thank you for your time and thank you for sharing your insights and background story of the tool.

B (13:15)

Matt, thank you for creating this podcast in the first place. So, so helpful. And thank you for having me on.

A (13:20)

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