Matt Abrahams (4:14)

Welcome Coach Matt. I look forward to our conversation and learning from you.

Coach Matt (4:18)

Hi Matt, welcome back. I'm excited to work with you again. What's one speaking moment you are preparing for today?

Matt Abrahams (4:24)

So Coach Matt, I need your advice and guidance. I'm interviewing a text based chatbot I helped create that has been trained on all of our Think Fast, Talk Smart the podcast episodes. I'm a bit nervous for my conversation because I'm not sure how it will go. How can I feel more confident?

Coach Matt (4:41)

Alright, let's think about this for a sec. That's fascinating. You're essentially interviewing your own creation. I can hear both excitement and some uncertainty in your voice. You've built something impressive, but now you're stepping into uncharted territory to see how it performs. Let me ask you this. When you think about sitting down with this chatbot, what specifically has you feeling nervous? Is it more about whether the technology will work as expected or. Or are you worried about how you'll come across during the conversation or something else entirely? I'm curious because understanding the root of that nervousness will help us figure out the best way to get you feeling confident and ready.

Matt Abrahams (5:16)

So I think I'm nervous both about the technology working or not, and I'm.

Matt Abrahams (5:21)

A little nervous to see what the results are. Are they going to be accurate? Are they going to be what I.

Matt Abrahams (5:27)

Think they should be?

Coach Matt (5:27)

Got it. I hear you. So you've got this dual anxiety, the tech performance piece, and then the bigger question of whether your creation actually reflects what you hoped it would. Here's what I'm thinking. You're dealing with what I call future focused anxiety. You're worried about outcomes you can't control. Right now, the technology might hiccup, the responses might surprise you, and that's actually pretty normal when you're testing something new. Let me offer you a reframe that might help. Instead of thinking of this as a high stakes test where everything needs to be perfect, what if you approached it more like a curious conversation with a colleague? You're not evaluating whether you're a good creator. You're simply exploring what this tool can do. Before we dive into some specific techniques. Tell me, when you imagine the conversation going well, what does that look like to you? What would make you feel like, yes, this worked?

Matt Abrahams (6:14)

I love the idea of the reframe. I. I think success for me is that I get results that are actionable, that make sense, and I think would benefit everybody. Hmm.

Coach Matt (6:23)

Okay. I love that you're focused on value and impact. That's exactly where your energy should be. That tells me you're approaching this from the right place. Here's a quick confidence tool I want you to try. Since you're worried about both the tech and the results, let's use what I call productive preparation. Instead of trying to predict what might go wrong, spend a few minutes thinking through what you'll do if things go really well. Picture yourself getting those actionable, sensible results that could help everyone. This does two things. It gets your brain focused on success rather than failure, and it actually prepares you to make the most of good moments when they happen. Also, remember you know this content better than almost anyone you've been living and breathing. Think fast, talk smart. Trust that knowledge the chatbot learned from you, so in many ways, you're the expert in the room. What do you think? Does that reframe feel helpful, or is there another angle of this nervousness we should tackle?

Matt Abrahams (7:15)

That reframe is really helpful. Focus on what can happen that's positive and really put my energy there? Let's say Chatmat does not perform as well as I wanted it to, I'll have to give constructive feedback to the people who developed it. I want to give direct feedback, but I don't want to offend them or hurt their feelings.

Matt Abrahams (7:31)

How should I approach that situation if.

Coach Matt (7:33)

It comes up, you're being really thoughtful about this. And that care for the developer's feelings actually shows great leadership. Let me give you a structure that can help you be both direct and respectful. It's called what so what now what? And it's perfect for giving constructive feedback without creating defensiveness. Here's how it works. Start with the what. Describe what you observed without judgment. Then the so what? Explain why it matters to the bigger picture. Finally, now what? Suggest a path forward that feels collaborative. For example, what I noticed the chatbot struggled with some nuanced questions about handling anxiety. So what? Since that's such a core part of our content, we want to make sure people get reliable guidance there. Now what? I'd love to work with you to identify specific episodes or concepts we could emphasize in the training. See how that lands as helpful rather than critical. You're focusing on the work, not the people, and you're positioning yourself as a partner and making it better. Want to try crafting one example using this structure?

Matt Abrahams (8:34)

You know, Coach Matt, that's a great structure, one I really like and I love your advice and I'm going to take care to practice in a little bit. But I'd really like your advice on one more thing. When I sit down with the chatbot to type in some questions, can you give me a suggestion for a good question that I could ask to test.

Matt Abrahams (8:51)

To see if it really does know its communication advice?

Coach Matt (8:54)

Here's what I'd suggest. Ask it something that requires it to synthesize multiple concepts and apply them to a real scenario. Something like, I'm about to give a presentation to senior executives who seem skeptical about my proposal. I'm feeling anxious and I only have two minutes to make my case. What's your advice? This question is perfect because it tests whether the chatbot can recognize the anxiety component and offer practical tools. A good response should touch on managing nerves and using a clear structure like problem, solution, benefit, and maybe even audience focused language. If it just gives generic advice or misses those layers, you'll know there's work to do. What do you think? Does that feel like it would give you a good read on whether Chatmat really gets it?

Matt Abrahams (9:37)

I think that would be great.

Matt Abrahams (9:39)

I think it would give me a.

Matt Abrahams (9:40)

Very good read and I'm very impressed by your detailed answer. Thanks so much for that. And do me a favor, give me a goodbye that I can share with other people. How would you close out our conversation?

Coach Matt (9:51)

I'm going to create a card for you with that goodbye so you can easily share it. There you go. And thank you for catching that. I used what so what now what? In my feedback. That's exactly the kind of awareness that's going to serve you well. You're more ready than you think you are. Good luck with chat.

Matt Abrahams (10:06)

Matt.

Matt Abrahams (10:07)

Thank you very much and that goodbye message is fantastic. We've now heard helpful advice from Coach Matt. Let's switch to the keyboard and have a typed conversation with Chatmat. Since many of you are listening on the go and not watching. We've used a text to voice tool so you can hear what Chatmat typed back to us.

Matt Abrahams (10:29)

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Chat Matt (11:55)

First, I want to thank you for sharing a really important and common Feeling anxious before addressing a skeptical, high stakes audience. Let's jump right in. So if you only have two minutes, my advice is to set very clear boundaries for yourself and your message. From the start, think about what your bottom line is. What's the one thing you want those senior executives to remember or walk away with. You don't have time to tell them everything. Instead, focus on delivering your high level overview as succinctly and clearly as possible. Now let's talk anxiety. What I'm really hearing you say is that the stakes feel high and that's totally normal. In fact, upwards of 85% of people feel nervous in these sorts of situations. Here's what I Before you present, do something to help you be more present oriented. For example, take a short walk, listen to a favorite song, or even more practically, if you're pressed for time, take a few deep breaths. These techniques help manage your symptoms of anxiety, allowing you to focus on your message rather than your nerves. When you get up there, start by setting expectations. For example, you might say, I'm really excited to share my proposal. I'd like to take just two minutes to outline the key points and then I welcome your questions. This approach signals confidence, controls the flow, and sets respectful boundaries with a skeptical audience. And finally, remember, you don't need to answer every question in advance, but you should anticipate the toughest ones. Take some time to reflect on the questions you're likely to get and practice your answers. This preparation not only builds confidence, but also ensures you're ready if the conversation shifts quickly. So here's my Clarify your main point Set clear boundaries, use presence techniques to tame anxiety, and anticipate questions. You've got this and I'm excited for you to make your case.

Matt Abrahams (14:00)

Thanks Chatmat. Your advice about my approach is very.

Matt Abrahams (14:03)

Good, but I don't feel like you.

Matt Abrahams (14:05)

Gave me insight into how to craft my proposal in a short amount of time? Without a strong proposal, I'll be in trouble. Can you please provide a bit more advice on how I can be more clear and compelling in my two minutes I have for my proposal?

Chat Matt (14:20)

Thank you for that question and I really appreciate your honesty and drive to get this right under time pressure. So let's jump right in. When you've only got a couple of minutes to craft and deliver your proposal, clarity and focus are absolutely essential. Here's what I'd recommend based on my experience and the insights from our guests. First, start by clearly understanding the mission or priorities of the person or group you're making the request to, and that's your North Star. If you're not speaking directly to what matters to them, it's game over. Before you begin. Second, in your two minutes, you'll want to map out these core ingredients, state the big problem, briefly outline the larger problem or opportunity you want to be part of. Solving this helps your audience see the significance right away. Narrow your focus. Zero in on the specific piece of that problem you and only you are uniquely positioned to address. Show the opportunity. Clearly convey that this sub problem hasn't been solved yet, but you have the insight or approach to tackle it. Present concrete actions. Boil your approach down to three to five crisp action steps. You don't need all the details, just the highlights that demonstrate you've thought this through. Paint the future state. End with a quick summary of what things will look like once you succeed. What's the positive future you're proposing? And remember, because attention is our most precious commodity. Parachuting in with an engaging start, a provocative question, a vivid statistic, or a quick story can make all the difference in those opening seconds. So if I were to summarize for you. Focus on concision, relevance and precision. What's their mission? What's the big problem? How do I and my approach uniquely fit? What will I do? What does success look like? Hit those beats and you'll make your two minutes count. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify and I wish you the best of luck with your proposal. Let's get you set up for that future state of success.

Matt Abrahams (16:35)

A big thank you to both Coach Matt and Chat Matt.

Coach Matt (16:38)

Thank you.

Matt Abrahams (16:39)

Every time I work with either of them, I'm amazed at what is possible with AI technology. I hope you learned something from our coaching session about giving feedback and asking insightful questions. Now it's your turn. I invite you to try out Coach Matt and Chat Matt on our Think Fast Talk Smart Learning community. You can sign up at fastersmarter IO Learning.

Coach Matt (17:06)

Foreign.

Matt Abrahams (17:14)

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