In Incorruptible: Why Good Companies Go Bad and How Great Companies Stay Great, Eric Ries argues that mission-driven companies face an invisible pressure that pushes them toward short-termism and conformity, no matter the intentions of their stakeholders.

Ries is the best-selling author of The Lean Startup, founder of the Long-Term Stock Exchange, and advisor to startups around the globe. In his new book, he traces a recurring pattern across two centuries of business: principled founders build something exceptional, only to watch it be corrupted—not by greedy individuals, but by systemic forces baked into how capitalism is structured.

In his conversation with Adam Job, senior director at the BCG Henderson Institute, Ries discusses how corporate corruption starts, why shareholder primacy became the norm, the concept of financial gravity, and the structural protections companies can put in place to defend their mission.

Key topics discussed:

01:09 | How corporate corruption starts

03:50 | The rise of shareholder primacy

08:18 | Why mission-driven companies outperform but don’t dominate

11:06 | Are private equity and activist investors always destructive?

15:31 | Financial gravity: the invisible force that pulls companies off course

19:31 | Structural defenses: purpose, coherence, and integrity

27:06 | Can mature companies still be corrupted or still protect themselves?

31:14 | What Eric Ries would add to The Lean Startup if he could

Additional inspirations from Eric Ries:

The Lean Startup: How Today's Entrepreneurs Use Continuous Innovation to Create Radically Successful Businesses (Crown Currency, 2011)