All New EV C-Class, New Lamborghini Spied, GM Stops Building EV Trucks And More! THIS CAR POD EP108

Summary

THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends!
Episode 108 – All New EV C-Class, New Lamborghini Spied, GM Stops Building EV Trucks And More!
Date: April 24, 2026

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Episode Overview

This week, Doug DeMuro is joined by Kenan and Felipe to bring expert takes on the latest automotive headlines and lively banter on trends, car culture, and the enthusiast market. Key topics include the all-new electric Mercedes C-Class, a freshened BMW 7 Series, Ford’s wild new Mustang Dark Horse SC, Nissan’s reborn Xterra, GM halting its EV truck rollout, a spied Lamborghini supercar, and deep dives into quirky enthusiast cars. The crew peppers the episode with memorable stories, strong opinions, and engaging Q&A—as usual, all in their trademark conversational and witty style.

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Table of Contents

1. All-Electric Mercedes C-Class: First Impressions (01:07)
2. BMW 7 Series Refresh: Love It or Hate It? (07:25)
3. Ford Mustang Dark Horse SC: Going All Out (09:59)
4. Nissan Xterra Confirmed: Back to Basics SUV (16:56)
5. GM Cancels/Pauses Next-Gen EV Trucks (21:55)
6. Lamborghini Revuelto SV Spied (26:41)
7. Ferrari “Luce” Electric Car Leak and Pricing (32:35)
8. Top Cars Segment: Owner Rants & Talk Cars Roundup (41:23)
9. Market Report: How Porsche 911s, Aston Martins, and Oddballs Are Selling (62:12)
10. Listener Q&A: Partner Car Hates, Dream Wagons, Maserati’s Future, and More (75:18)

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1. All-Electric Mercedes C-Class: First Impressions (01:07–07:13)

• Mercedes unveils the new electric-only C-Class, drawing immediate ire and debate over its looks.
• The front references the classic 280 SE 3.5 and 1950s W111, while the rear is controversial, likened to the CLA EV and Nissan Skyline.
• Doug (01:30): "From the front, it looks like a 280 SE 3.5. It's got a low grill."
• The main news is the interior: up to three big screens, echoing S-Class luxury, with several layout options including a one-piece display.
• Tech speculation: Will windshields be replaced by projections? Mercedes is leaning into projecting augmented reality on displays.
• Felipe (04:41): "There's an air suspension... they're trying to make it as luxurious as an S-Class, which is kind of interesting."
• Doug raves about the BMW i4 as this car's biggest rival, saying the C-Class lacks the "looks" to win hearts.
• Felipe (06:15): "Credit to Mercedes, this is a notably more compelling product than their last set of EVs."
• Interior and styling round-up: Mercedes continues rounds criticized design but upgrades hardware and infrastructure.
• Release: Early 2027 availability confirmed.

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2. BMW 7 Series Refresh: Love It or Hate It? (07:25–09:56)

• Quick reactions to the new BMW 7 Series—more of a refresh than a redesign.
• Doug and Kenan appreciate its "presence" in an era when big sedans are being axed.
• Doug (07:33): "I think it has the presence a big sedan deserves to have. You kind of need to do something a little different."
• Two-tone paint, new pinstripe, and large rear screens mark the major updates.
• Felipe highlights BMW's intention to bridge to the Neue Klasse design language and notes new taillight treatments.
• Interior tech: Larger, more capable rear screens, multi-view Zoom meetings, new displays echoing BMW’s latest.
• Felipe (09:08): "Now there's a huge rear screen that...is even bigger now. And you can, like, take zoom meetings from it."
• Doug shares a story about BMW engineers ogling his Ford GT at Palm Springs.

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3. Ford Mustang Dark Horse SC: Going All Out (09:59–13:33)

• Ford debuts the Dark Horse SC: the ultimate gas-powered Mustang with 795hp, following the GTD halo car.
• Doug (10:43): "This is Ford throwing down. This is Ford saying we own the Nurburgring... We own muscle cars."
• Hand-built engine, 660 lb-ft torque, supercharged V8, priced from $135k before taxes/destination.
• Compared to the old GT500, the Dark Horse is the "victory lap" for Mustang, as Camaro bows out and the horse car wars wind down.
• Ford is reportedly moving away from “Shelby” branding despite legacy.
• Short digression: Everyone loves the Ford Maverick for practicality, low price, and efficiency.

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4. Nissan Xterra Confirmed: Back to Basics SUV (16:56–21:33)

• Nissan teases new Xterra: "under $40k" and a return to no-frills, rugged utility.
• Doug skeptical about pre-announcing price years in advance: “What if there's a Covid and there’s a shortage of yellow glowing LEDs?” (17:30)
• Justification for the return: 4Runner is going upscale, leaving room for a simple, affordable off-roader.
• Modern "stripped" still means all key safety features (AEB, backup cam).
• Frustration at Nissan’s slow development cycles: “It’s laughable…already know what it looks like…still two and a half years away.” (19:35)
• Felipe (19:48): "It's a brand new platform and unlike some manufacturers, they want to test it first."
• American car cycles vs. Tesla’s speed: "Tesla will come out with a refresh and...have it on the production line four weeks later." (20:47)
• Proposed solution: Build a quick ‘frontier with bed cap’ Xterra for stopgap sales.

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5. GM Cancels/Pauses Next-Gen EV Trucks (21:55–26:36)

• GM puts next-generation Ultium-based EV trucks on hold; potential cancellation.
• Declining demand for electric pickups (Hummer EV, Silverado, Cybertruck, Lightning) prompts the decision.
• Doug (22:36): "That full size electric pickup segment...completely gone dry. It has completely failed."
• EV truck excitement has fizzled; market share for EVs slips in the US, but Europe’s EV adoption surges (up 50% YoY).
• Doug’s take (23:43): "In America, that time is still now. Holy crap, we are so behind..."
• Felipe’s concern (24:26): “I really, really worry that the American manufacturers will absolutely not be [competitive]...they won't be competitive and that will be a long-term mistake.”
• Short-term gas stress changes behavior, but sustained adoption lags, especially as US legacy automakers falter.
• Shift to smaller EV pickups (Ford, etc.) and reflection on America’s risk of falling far behind.

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6. Lamborghini Revuelto SV Spied (26:41–29:49)

• SV (Super Veloce) version of Lamborghini’s flagship Revuelto spied testing; rumored to boast 1,200hp.
• Kenan (27:12): “The word is 1200 horse...but the normal car has a six and a half liter V12 with a thousand.”
• Trademark SV cues: rear wing, aggressive aero; likely unveiling within a year.
• Discussion of favorite past SV Lamborghinis; nostalgia for the Murciélago SV.
• Doug (28:23): “To me, it’s super limited. It came out like peak recession, like Bear Stearns was collapsing, and Lambo was like, we got a $600,000 car for you.”
• As always, nobody on the pod actually wants to daily a Lambo, but they all agree the SV is very cool.

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7. Ferrari “Luce” Electric Car Leak and Pricing (32:35–39:03)

• Bloomberg leaks Ferrari Luce (electric GT/SUV) pricing: starting $650,000—shocks the crew.
• Discussion of Ferrari’s challenge selling high-dollar electrics; the SF90 hybrid already depreciating.
• Doug (33:59): “If they attempt to sell an electric sports car at $650,000, I think even Ferrari has met its match.”
• Review of Ferrari’s build-up problem—once strict supply/demand, now risking overproduction and resale collapse.
• Interior praised as a necessary update, but question remains: will buyers embrace an EV at this tier?
• Felipe (35:18): “They have more cars than customers. And suddenly...you come up with a $650,000 electric car, and you start to wonder if that starts to occur [depreciation]."
• Short appreciation for Ferrari’s traditional model range: praise for 296, Purosangue (but not SF90), SP3.
• Electric hypercar future feels highly uncertain.

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8. Top Cars Segment: Owner Rants & Talk Cars Roundup (41:23–62:12)

Doug’s Sequoia Crisis (41:23–46:50)

• Doug can’t stand being stereotyped by his Toyota Sequoia TRD Pro ownership (“MAGA bro” vibes).
• Plans to sell it after his upcoming Nantucket trip and eventually buy an LX700, lamenting Sequoia’s noisy, macho image.
• The group commiserates about "typecasting" by car choices: “I don’t want a caution driver singing bumper sticker, but I also don’t want to be stereotyped as Freedom T-Shirt guy.” (42:38)
• Wheel and trim complaints; consensus: Sequoia’s current iteration is too much, and it’s time for Doug to move on.

Felipe’s Fleet Dilemma (46:53–51:54)

• Felipe jokes about accumulating too many cars (four for two drivers), including a GTI, Mercedes wagon, and more; can’t bring himself to sell.
• Ongoing Saab and Volvo shopping; nostalgia for classic Swedish hatchbacks, and grief over missed buys on Facebook Marketplace.
• Felipe: “I don’t think that realistically we can have five cars for two adults. That’s a little much even for me.” (47:56)

Event and Auction Callouts (51:54–62:12)

• Upcoming events:
  • Tire Rack Headquarters Cars & Coffee (South Bend, IN) with American Branching Association and One Lap of America. Must submit car for consideration.
  • Velocity Invitational at Sonoma Raceway—Cars & Bids bringing notable cars, including Alfa Romeo TZ.
• Kenan highlights his auction work:
  • A pristine Porsche Boxster, “one of the nicest examples ever.”
  • Ferrari California T “70th Anniversary"—rare, bespoke, and optioned by the factory only.
• General love for “taking care of cars” and helping place them where they’ll be appreciated.

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9. Market Report: Porsche 991s, Astons, Oddballs (62:12–73:44)

• Porsche 991 Market: Prices are up, especially for manual, naturally aspirated 991.1s. The pod debates whether 991 or 997 is the true modern “993”, but market says: demand is high.
  • Doug (62:51): "991 stick...market is absolutely treating it like it's the end of an era."
• 991.2s (turbocharged) only slightly less; PDK convertibles still lag.
• Aston Martins: The team calls V12 Astons highly undervalued—"a huge bargain compared to what you get" (66:18).
• Audi RS2 Wagons: Cars & Bids cements itself as the “wagon auction platform”—RS2 achieves a 53% premium over previous auction.
• Toyota Corolla XRS: Love for this forbidden fruit—the pod geeks out over its sleeper performance and rarity (67:53).
  • Doug (68:29): "You've got to assume dynamically it's not that great..."
  • But everyone wants one anyway.
• BMW Z3M Color Premiums: Oddly, wild colorways on Z3M (like evergreen green/green) don’t command strong premiums, unlike with Porsche.

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10. Listener Q&A: Partner Car Hates, Dream Wagons, and More (75:18–end)

• Partner Car Loathing: Has a partner ever pushed you to sell a car?
  • Felipe: “My wife didn't love the X5… worried it'd break down. She did not like the NB Miata—too small.” (75:39)
  • Doug: “My partner doesn't know what cars I have currently, to be honest.”
• E400 4x4² Wagon: Would Doug buy this one-off? “I would pay deep money for it.” The group salivates over the ultra-rugged factory-lifted E-Class.
• Saving Maserati:
  • How to revive the brand? Doug: “Do a manual, real enthusiast car AND a boxy SUV. Stop milking leftovers.”
  • Felipe: “Maybe...just give up.” Doug reminds listeners Maserati was once bigger than Ferrari.
• Future “First Car” Choices:
  • Doug’s neighbor bought his daughter a base VW ID.4—low cost, low risk.
  • Felipe: “It depends on the child...something practical, maybe a lease.”
  • Kenan: Enthusiast kids require a car to fuel the passion (cites his own E39 5-series history).
• F1/Cadillac Update: Nothing happening due to schedule breaks; will report on Cadillac’s progress when F1 resumes.
• Advice:
  • “Buy your kids an ID4.”
  • “Bicycles exist!”
  • “Go to carsandbids.com!”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On EV Trucks’ Demise:
  "The full size electric pickup segment that was so promising three years ago ... that's completely gone dry. It has completely failed." – Doug (22:36)

• On Mercedes EV Styling:
  "This is how it is. These Benzes, this is the world we live in now, dude. Pretty soon it'll be projected onto the windshield." – Doug (03:37)

• On SV Lambos in a Recession:
  "It came out like peak recession, like Bear Stearns was collapsing, and Lambo was like, we got a $600,000 car for you." – Doug (28:23)

• On Stereotypes and the Sequoia:
  "I don't want to be stereotyped to the point where I'm getting out of my Sequoia TRD Pro and I'm wearing a Freedom T-shirt. Like, come on, man." —Doug (42:38)

• On Classic Ferrari Supply/Demand:
  "They have more cars than customers. And suddenly...you come up with a $650,000 electric car, and you start to wonder if that starts to occur [depreciation]." – Felipe (35:18)

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Final Takeaways

This episode is classic THIS CAR POD: opinionated, trivia-packed, and full of affectionate ribbing. The landscape for new electric vehicles is turbulent, with Mercedes and Ferrari pushing upmarket—even as GM retreats. Doug wants a wagon that doesn’t send political signals, Felipe can’t thin his herd, and Kenan is busy matchmaking rare auction cars. Wagons remain king, Porsche 911s hot, and even the humblest Corolla can inspire awe—if it’s an XRS.

If you want only the ads and fluff cut, this summary loops you in on every major automotive development, prevailing car culture vibes, and enough in-jokes and anecdotes to feel part of THIS CAR POD’s quirky car family.

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For more, tune in next week or head to carsandbids.com for auctions, events, and more community!

Transcript

[Kenan]

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[Felipe]

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[Doug]

Foreign. Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan.

[Felipe]

I'm Felipe.

[Doug]

I'm Doug. Let's start with the news. Oh, the big news is the new Mercedes Benz C class, which looks a little droopy in the front.

[Felipe]

There's only the electric C class, by the way.

[Doug]

This is electric only. They haven't announced a non electric.

[Felipe]

The non electric remains the same as it currently is. That came out recently enough.

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kenan]

The Internet is incensed.

[Felipe]

Okay. It's not the most visually appealing vehicle.

[Doug]

From the front, it looks like a 280 SE 3.5. It's got a low grill.

[Kenan]

I don't really hate the front. The rear, I know everybody is a little bit more.

[Felipe]

They were going for 1959 Mercedes Benz W111.

[Doug]

Well, that's. That. Isn't that what that is?

[Kenan]

Exactly.

[Felipe]

What the rear.

[Doug]

That's the car I was talking about. That W1 11 studios. If that's what they were going for, they hit it.

[Kenan]

Look the nail.

[Felipe]

It.

[Kenan]

Look at that thing.

[Doug]

That's it. Look at that. There's a low grill.

[Felipe]

Yeah, that's.

[Doug]

Sure. You don't see that.

[Kenan]

You don't see it. That is like.

[Doug]

Go back to it. You don't see the resemblance. Let me tell you something. This is the famous story about this car. Is that Ralph Lauren when he was. When he was a young man, just, you know the story. Just in the business world, all he wanted to do in life was own that what W111 280 SE. And he worked and he worked and he sold ties out of his trunk and he bought himself. And in today's world, the Ralph Lauren of today wants an electric C class. Yeah.

[Felipe]

Uh, so electric C class, it's their new generation of electric vehicles. Very. The GLC electric has already been revealed. This is the sedan version of that. All the things you expect, 800 volt infrastructure. We expect about 350 miles of range. It'll come out in early 2027 is when it will be available for sale. The rear is controversial. Ish. Even though it looks just like the CLA EV rear.

[Doug]

So we've seen that the tail lights seemed weird.

[Felipe]

They're a little weird C class, just FYI. Although you know, it will be the

[Kenan]

E class, it will also be the E class.

[Felipe]

They're fine.

[Doug]

There's a little bit of Nissan Skyline going on here.

[Felipe]

Sure. But like the A, the cla looks somewhat similar in the rear too with that like dark bar across. The real news though, if you go back to the sideshow is the interior which has many screens.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Felipe]

So the top level option is three is this huge screen that goes across the. The middle and the passenger.

[Doug]

Are we calling this a big news that all the Mercedes are like this?

[Felipe]

This is a slightly new version of that. But there are, by the way, I want to be specific. There's three options.

[Doug]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Felipe]

One of them doesn't have the passenger screen, but has a display that's not a screen. It's not like touchable, but it's a display underneath the glass.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Felipe]

One has three standalone displays and this one combines it all into one.

[Doug]

This is how, this is how it. These Benzes, this is the world we live in now, dude. Pretty soon it'll be projected onto the windshield.

[Felipe]

It's a matter of time.

[Doug]

It really is a matter of.

[Felipe]

Of time. But heads up. Display.

[Doug]

Does anyone. Does anyone. Yeah, but does anyone actually project? Like Mercedes has that. Mercedes has that virtual reality display. But it's in the. It's not on the windshield. It's in the. It should be, but there's. Well there, there's been talk that like where you turn and stuff is going

[Felipe]

to start to be projected on. That's the thing. But like imagine if there's no windshield at all. So like the Polestar 4, they got rid of a rear window. Right. The Polestar 4 that you reviewed recently has no rear window. Why have a front window? Why have windows?

[Doug]

This is tecmo Filippo here. I'm gonna give you tech. Imagine a car, but it doesn't take you anywhere.

[Felipe]

Right.

[Kenan]

This is one of the eight hour meetings he goes to.

[Doug]

This is Filippo. If Filippo was a tech in the bay, he would say that. And then the guys sitting around him would go, oh, man.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Felipe]

And for a brief moment when we first ipo, we'll be trillionaires. And then about a minute later, we'll be back to not being.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Felipe]

They've been touting in this release a lot of like S class things.

[Doug]

Thing.

[Felipe]

So there's an air suspension available. There's a bunch of things that are intended to make it as luxurious as an S Class, which is kind of interesting.

[Doug]

Let me tell you something. There's a fellow up my block who's got an i4. Do you know that automobile? It's a.

[Felipe]

It's a B. I know all the automobiles.

[Doug]

You know all the automobiles. Did you know the Mega track? Do you know the Suzuki across?

[Felipe]

All I do actually know. What is it? I don't remember now, but I know all the current automobiles.

[Doug]

Can I pull up a picture of the Suzuki across and watch Filippo crumble with embarrassment?

[Felipe]

I'm trying to picture it crumble, but I can't with embarrassment.

[Kenan]

Suzuki, the first thing you know.

[Doug]

You know why? Yeah, yeah.

[Felipe]

The RAV4.

[Doug]

Excuse me, excuse me. That's a Suzuki US market card.

[Felipe]

One interesting thing, by the way. There's a two speed gearbox in the.

[Doug]

In the Suzuki across. Is it. Is it a three pedal situation? No. I want to tell you about my neighbor's i4. I got a neighbor with an i4. That is a damn good looking car.

[Felipe]

Yeah. Also great lithium.

[Doug]

It. It also drives quite well. It drives like a BMW. If I was buying a BS commuter

[Felipe]

car, I would buy.

[Doug]

Probably buy an i4.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Doug]

Truly, it's pretty luxurious. The hatchback opens, it's got good cargo space. I mean, people like SUVs and I get that. But like that is a real. And so this is the rival to that. But it's not as good looking.

[Felipe]

But it will sell better because i4 has not been a sales smasher, not in the states.

[Doug]

But BMW is saying that their ix3 has been a massive sales success overseas. Yeah, the SUV thing changes things. Massive sales success overseas. They're getting more orders. They've added shifts to the factory to build as much as they can. It's an interesting thing.

[Felipe]

I will say credit to Mercedes, this is a notably more compelling product than their last set of EVs. The updated infrastructure. They make their own batteries now. It is interesting though that they have motors rather.

[Doug]

It is interesting that they have gone with the similar styling which was so roundly criticized last time. And that's a bit of a little.

[Felipe]

Yeah, I like that pond.

[Doug]

Yeah. Like it's Odd, right? Because the thing I like about the i4 is that it just looks like a BMW. Yep. Whereas this has. I mean, I like a good 280 SE 3.5, but I don't think you're fooling it.

[Felipe]

I think what you will see is that all of their products will probably go to the design language. And then it won't be the roundy ones that are EVs. They will all just look a little

[Doug]

mediocre, which is a shame. Do you agree? This is an AI background. There's no way it's got Stukar plates. This ain't Stu car, I'll tell you that.

[Kenan]

No, it is not.

[Doug]

Every building that looked like this, I

[Felipe]

would believe that it's not photographed.

[Kenan]

That 4:1 does look kind of AI.

[Doug]

It's too crazy.

[Kenan]

Way too nice.

[Doug]

It's as fake as the sound that'll be piped through the speakers of the new C class onto the next news story, please.

[Kenan]

But at least it will inspire the next Ralph Lauren.

[Doug]

When is that C class coming out?

[Felipe]

It will be for sale in early 2027.

[Doug]

Early 27. Not a long wait. Kenan, mark your calendars. All right, Move on to the seven series. New seven series was announced. And by new, I mean slight refresh.

[Felipe]

Yep.

[Doug]

We are alone in this podc. And by we, I mean me and Kenan. I don't know about him in liking the 7 series. The rest of the world hates it and thinks it's the stupidest, ugliest, most awful, terrible thing in the world. I think it has the presence a big sedan deserves to have. And in this era, when you're seeing all the big sedans get canceled, the xj, the rl, the AA has presence. You kind of need to do something a little different.

[Kenan]

And it's clear they're leaning into that more like with the pinstripe that goes down the side, you know, similar to another luxury brand that BMW owns.

[Doug]

Two tone even, right? The fact that you're in two tones, they're really. They are really leaning into, like, creating a look of presence. And I think this new one is intended to be a little bit more. It's not. It didn't look dramatically different to me when I saw it all come up.

[Felipe]

It's intended to bridge the gap to the new class styling.

[Doug]

That's right.

[Felipe]

That came out with. Have you seen the taillights? Now, they had their, like, two lines.

[Doug]

Oh, there's two lines. You know, I am sorry.

[Felipe]

They go further in the real news story, besides the tail lights, which I think Are.

[Doug]

It definitely looks interesting. They really made an effort to style this car in a way that is notable. The A8 quietly whispered itself into.

[Felipe]

It just passed away in the night.

[Doug]

It did. It really did. It passed away in its sleep. And BMW is saying, if we're going to lean in to a full size sedan, we are not going to let that happen. And love it or hate it, this car, when you see it on the road, it does not just look like a five series. Yep.

[Felipe]

And the interior is where all the big news, actually. So there's a huge rear screen that existed before is even bigger now. And I think you can like take zoom meetings from it.

[Kenan]

Yes, you can. In the middle and you can split it into different views. They're like. You can have a bunch of different.

[Doug]

I remember all that was true in

[Felipe]

the old one, too.

[Doug]

I did a video.

[Felipe]

Big screen. It was a. This is a big screen.

[Doug]

When I did a view of the old one in the Palm Springs. In Palm Springs there, it was so hot that I don't remember anything.

[Felipe]

That sounds right. I do remember, except for my back seat.

[Doug]

I drove my Ford GT there. And the BMW engineers were so excited to see a Ford gt. They had never. They were all Germans. They had never seen a Ford GT before. And when I parked at the hotel, they all conglomerated around.

[Kenan]

The 4 GT thought is so wide, so low. Unbelievable. They built a car like this.05.

[Doug]

What are they thinking?

[Felipe]

Other interior changes. They have like the. The new BMW display from the new class models that has like the cut edges. They have a passenger display. And then there's not a traditional gauge cluster, just like a strip on top of the dash all the way across.

[Doug]

Folks, is. This is our number two news story this week. It's a slow news week podcast. You better hope the talk car segment pulls us out, people.

[Kenan]

I've got some Italian spice coming later on. We'll get there.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Kenan]

We'll get there.

[Doug]

All right, give us our next situation. Ooh. Ford Mustang Dark Horse sc. Which. So there's the Ford Mustang. You know that car.

[Felipe]

I do.

[Doug]

And that comes in regular or electric SUV varieties.

[Felipe]

Right.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Felipe]

And then.

[Doug]

And then there's the gt and then there's the Dark Horse and the regular Dark Horse has 500 horsepower, which is a significant amount of power. Yeah, it's more power than anything you've ever driven.

[Felipe]

Yeah, that's not true.

[Doug]

But sure, I think it is. The S Dark Horse SC is out now. It's two letters, Filippo.

[Felipe]

Two letters. But it's, by the way, not S.

[Doug]

That was last week with that Porsche. The new dark horse SC makes 795 horsepower on gasoline.

[Felipe]

Yep.

[Doug]

This isn't an electric BS cannon.

[Felipe]

It's real.

[Kenan]

That's crazy.

[Felipe]

Remember when the hat came out?

[Kenan]

Of course.

[Felipe]

And 707 was like.

[Kenan]

And we thought that was the end. In all honesty, that was never true.

[Doug]

Yeah, for.

[Kenan]

Yeah, exactly. For pump gas cars. But wow.

[Felipe]

795.

[Doug]

795. It's supercharged. 660 pound feet of torque. Do you understand what this is? Yeah.

[Felipe]

It's also a hand built engine, which is kind of interesting.

[Doug]

This is Ford throwing down. This is Ford saying we own the Nurburgring because they had that GTD situation. We own muscle cars. The Camaro isn't even being made. I don't think I'm a new one. This thing has shown up and is pounding people. No matter what Kenan ever buys, it will never be as fast as the dark horse sc. Unless he buys a dark horse sc.

[Kenan]

Yeah. So this is the. The victory lap for the Mustang. This is them just saying.

[Felipe]

Sure. I mean, any one.

[Kenan]

Come on, take us on.

[Felipe]

The GTD, which is $327,000, has 20 more horsepower. Just 20 more horsepower.

[Doug]

But that's.

[Felipe]

It has a lot of other changes. It's in Canada.

[Doug]

I rode in the gtd. I drove one around the Palm Springs, actually. Ironically there. It was so hot I couldn't. Can't remember anything. But what I do remember is that there is a window in the rear seat. You know how your car has back seats? This car has a window. And in the window you can see suspension.

[Felipe]

That is cool.

[Doug]

So that's worth the extra money. Yeah.

[Felipe]

The sc, by the way, is. They announced a couple weeks ago that it's 135 pre tax, pre destination for a base SC.

[Doug]

What did the GT500 used to cost?

[Felipe]

Right around 80 grand.

[Doug]

80 grand. So this is like the successor of the GT500. The GT500, though, never had 795 horsepower. No.

[Felipe]

The GT500 had a mere 760.

[Doug]

Yeah. But this is the. This really is like. This takes over. So we were all wondering why we're not getting Shelby cars. The answer is we have the dark Horse instead. The regular dark horse, I guess is the GT350 replacement. And this is like a. Why are we not using Shelby's name anymore? We don't know.

[Felipe]

For a brief moment, they were going to re. There was a proposal to rename the street in front of their headquarters, which is Shelby Way or something like that, to Something else. There was like a proposal to like have like Maverick drive and actually think it was Maverick Trail, because that's more fitting.

[Doug]

Speaking of.

[Felipe]

But by the way, they've said they're not doing that. It's still Shelby Road.

[Doug]

Speaking of Maverick, I have a neighborhood, I have a neighbor there with a Maverick, you know, and boy, what a great car.

[Felipe]

I've had three friends in the last week, the last two days, out of the blue, text me and say, hey, what do you think of the Maverick?

[Doug]

Why don't we all have Mavericks? I know it's hybrid, it's four wheel drive, it's a pickup, it's a car, it's comfortable, it's haulable, it gets 40 miles per gallon. It costs $12,000.

[Felipe]

No, but it is a really appealing price.

[Doug]

Some of that stuff's not true, but I'll tell you something, it's not that far off the Slate and the Maverick. Okay, what's our next news story?

[Kenan]

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[Doug]

Okay, according to Flippo, Nissan announced pricing for the new exterior. That's not really what happened. Nissan told people that the new Xterra when it comes, which is years from now, the new Xterra will have a starting price under 40,000. United States under 40,000. Now, if I'm an automaker and I'm thinking about making price price predictions, I would wait until pretty soon before because this has happened before. Remember when Rivian said they What Rivians would cost. And like the day they released the Rivian tried to jack it up and people were so mad they had to jack it back down.

[Kenan]

Yeah, and Tesla's happened before. I mean it's happened a lot.

[Doug]

Who knows what'll happen? What if there's a Covid and there becomes a shortage of yellow glowing LEDs?

[Kenan]

They'd be really screwed.

[Doug]

The Honda Passport are screwed.

[Felipe]

Imagine no red tow hooks. No.

[Doug]

I am so pumped for this exterior.

[Felipe]

I am too. They've made clear, by the way, that this is going to be a pretty stripped out car that has everything you need and nothing you don't.

[Doug]

Yeah, that's what the old one was.

[Felipe]

They also wanted to say we've lost our way a bit. Putting a lot of technology in our cars for the sake of it, adding a lot of features. We're going to stop doing that.

[Doug]

Well, I mean that's odd. But you're from Nissan because the last Nissan I had the backup camera was about three pixels. But I do like the idea of a back to basis car, particularly when the Forerunner I think has left a little bit of a slot open in the market for something to come in sort of at the lower end. A little bit simpler, a little bit more basic. Where the Forerunner has now gone hybrid. The top trim levels are $80,000. This is an, there is definitely an option here.

[Felipe]

Forerunner starts at about 44. Just a little bit.

[Doug]

Starts at 44.

[Felipe]

Yeah. Well this will start below 40.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Felipe]

39,999.

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah. Which is fine.

[Felipe]

Also we should be clear like stripped out cars at this point because of federal mandates and consumer preferences, all have automatic emergency braking, all have backup cameras, all have some power features. Generally like it's, it's not a stripped out car that the 90s have.

[Doug]

And you know what's annoying? Because you're, you're driving, you're on the trail, you know what I mean? And a rock is in front of you and you're trying to go over the rock and then an automatic emergency brakes.

[Kenan]

That is irritating.

[Felipe]

Never had that happen.

[Kenan]

I've run into that many a time.

[Doug]

You're never on a trail with a car with aeb. I got a.

[Felipe]

Well, you turn it off.

[Doug]

I'm gonna talk about myself.

[Felipe]

Most trail modes turn those off.

[Doug]

I don't participate in trail mode. I just get out there and raw dog, it's, well, let's go. I don't switch modes. I don't even put it in four wheel.

[Kenan]

Wow, you're a real man.

[Doug]

New XTERRA is a long way off.

[Felipe]

What are they?

[Doug]

Didn't they say 28?

[Felipe]

I believe so, yeah. I mean, in late 28.

[Doug]

Late 28. Hey, we're only two and a half years away. Yeah, great.

[Felipe]

Yeah, but we know pricing. Unless inflation's really rampant and then who knows?

[Doug]

This is the problem with car development cycles. It's laughable that they already know it's going to look like this and it's going to take them two and a half years to come to market. How could that possibly be? It is silly.

[Felipe]

It's a brand new platform and unlike some manufacturers, they want to test it first.

[Doug]

You're calling out Tesla. Let me tell you something about. Yeah, you are. Let me tell you something about Tesla. You know how many cars Tesla has sold?

[Felipe]

So many.

[Doug]

All of them. I was at the tennis club today and there's a pickleball tournament going on. And can you imagine how many boomers are driving Teslas to a pickleball tournament? It's like, it's like all. It's unbelievable.

[Felipe]

Was it all new Model Y's?

[Doug]

Yeah, it's all Model Y's. I don't know if they're new. This is California. A lot of the boomers have moved off Tesla out in California, but you get my point. They've sold all the cars. Have they done the proper testing? No. Has it mattered? No. Nobody cares.

[Felipe]

True.

[Kenan]

It's. You know, it reminds me a lot of like the iPhone. When the iPhone came out. It's like you pre order on Friday, you get it the following week. It's like, if you're going to tease something, like, then you have to be able to deliver on it right away.

[Doug]

It's unbelievable to me that they feel they can tease this and then wait,

[Felipe]

they know that they, if they don't tease something, they may not exist by 20. Start the drip.

[Kenan]

Now it's too late. Like, make the thing.

[Doug]

It's so silly. It's so silly. Tesla will come out with a refresh and, and have. And have it on the production line four weeks later. Yeah, and Nissan's two and a half years, they've already, it's already taken them 13 years to figure out that they need to be back in this market. They're going to wait another. They're going to see another two and a half years of sales.

[Felipe]

What happened? They listened to the podcast. They heard you say, hey, Nissan, you need to build this. And they were like, you're right. But instead of hearing about that for the next two years and then revealing it they thought they'd get better. Doug. PR if they just announced.

[Doug]

I'm giving you a new idea. Nissan come out with a stopgap Xterra. And here's how you do it. You take a Frontier crew cab, you put a body on the back and that's it. And for two years that can be our Xterra. And we'll be fine with it. We don't care. It'll be a sucky car. No one cares.

[Felipe]

I love the fact that.

[Doug]

Come out with it and come out with it by June 1st. What's today?

[Felipe]

Today's April 22nd.

[Doug]

If I was running. If I was the fellow running Nissan now this fella.

[Felipe]

Yeah.

[Doug]

That's what I would do.

[Felipe]

Maybe there's a reason you're not the fellow running Nissan.

[Doug]

I promise you things would be going better if I was. I can't be going worse.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

What's next? Oh, yeah.

[Felipe]

All right. So GM has announced that they're putting on hold and maybe just fully canceling their next generation of EVs. We're familiar with the Hummer EV and the Silverado, et cetera, full size. Is this just electric trucks?

[Doug]

Yeah, trucks.

[Felipe]

You know, the bull is just came out.

[Doug]

I read. Okay, so the Lightning was just canceled. I read a news report in Bloomberg this week that 20% of Cybertruck sales are to the other Elon Musk companies.

[Felipe]

Yeah, clearly.

[Kenan]

That's beautiful.

[Felipe]

Clearly there has not been super strong demand for this. But they were pretty deep in planning for the next gen of this, the ultium platform and the. And the trucks suppliers were building things and they all got a notice saying just put this on hold.

[Doug]

The full size electric pickup segment that was so promising three years ago when we were all fighting to see what would come first, the R1T or the Hummer EV or the Lightning or the cybertruck, that's completely gone dry. It has completely failed. That no one is interested in any of them.

[Felipe]

Yep, pretty much. It's interesting. So EVs in the US are just increasingly dying. I will say market share ticked up in March. Gas was expensive, people bought EVs, but it was still lower market share than last March when there were incentives in Europe though, which fuels the fuel crises. The fuel crises as a result of the Iran war. More strongly, they don't produce any real amount of gasoline. They have some real fuel concerns. Oil.

[Doug]

But yeah.

[Felipe]

Yes. They don't produce oil, they don't extract oil and also don't have very much gasoline production from that. Both are true. Their EV sales in March were up 50% year over year.

[Doug]

I was driving, I was thinking about this the other day. Someday we're all gonna be in a situ in life. We're all gonna be in the nursing home. Me and Felipe, Will Kenan will still be out there doing cleaning his M5.

[Kenan]

Yep.

[Doug]

And we'll be thinking to ourselves, I can't believe there was a time when a soccer mom at soccer practice had little explosions happening in her engine. It is so weird. However, in America that time is still now. And yeah, holy crap, we are so behind on this. I'm telling you, we're all gonna. China will take over the world because of this. All the people who are sitting here being like America, we like our gas engines. You're gonna in 20 years, it's gonna be such a shame.

[Felipe]

The market is moving in a really specific direction because a lot of people don't want that reliance on fossil fuels. And the US is going to be so far behind now we're killing the full size pickup truck. Okay, maybe.

[Doug]

But it would be nice if electric vehicles were adopted at every market and

[Felipe]

better and like actually competitive. And I really, really worry that the American manufacturers will absolutely not be. I don't think Chrysler is Stellantis in the US is working on US market EVs outside of the charter.

[Doug]

Well, Stellantis is a whole other thing.

[Felipe]

I don't think the GM is really working on much except for the bolt which theoretically will have a new generation. But will it? Who knows? Ford isn't working on that much that's competitive.

[Doug]

Now wait a minute. Ford in Cologne builds that little.

[Felipe]

Yeah, they also have the small pickup truck that's coming. It's supposed to be like a cheaper truck on a new EV platform. But nevertheless, like it really feels like they won't be competitive and that will be a long term mistake.

[Kenan]

I just go back to our conversation with RJ Scringe talking about that and like he's right. I think like if you. It's shortsighted to think that this isn't going to happen in the future. It's without question the way things are going. Like, and I just, I don't fully understand why American manufacturers are burying their heads. I guess the demand just isn't there

[Doug]

right now because American manufacturers cannot sell in great numbers outside of America and Americans don't want it. And so, you know, that's the situation.

[Kenan]

So I maybe the legacy American manufacturers.

[Felipe]

I do wonder, right. Like fuel is relatively. Gas in the US is relatively expensive, about $4 a gallon on average in

[Doug]

March, you're thinking switching evidence.

[Felipe]

I wonder how many people are going to start thinking about that as they transition to their next.

[Doug]

May I suggest a BMW i4?

[Kenan]

It is a good thing you just got a pickup truck from 1973. It's really fuel efficient.

[Doug]

You know what I passed on the interstate freeway here in my courage on the way in today, I passed an IX M60.

[Felipe]

Wow.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Felipe]

And the heel. The grill self heals.

[Doug]

The grill self heals. Did we report on that car being canceled? I think last week we covered it. That's gone, folks. If you wanted it on AX and you didn't, it's gone. However, I did pass an M60 on the Faraday and I think I go between M60 sightings. Yeah, it's a V12. I think I go between M60 Sightings the same length of time as I go between like F355 on the road sightings. Don't you agree?

[Felipe]

Yes, Similar.

[Doug]

Because it's like a lease steel car and that's like the most expensive one

[Felipe]

even I don't notice, which I actually trim on behind.

[Doug]

You don't see that big badge and think, wow, this dude cannot accelerate me.

[Felipe]

No, because that's true of all of the accidents.

[Doug]

All right, this is the situation. Move on to the next story. Morty V is dying.

[Kenan]

Ah, yes. So this is a lamb. This is allegedly going to be the Lamborghini Revuelto sv. So these are some teaser shots. It was spotted testing in Italy and we can only assume that it's going to be. Now, Filippo, who speaks Italian. You see attention magina viloce, which means attention fast car. Which is hilarious. But some things to note with this. This is the rear, obviously, but they've added a wing, which is a typical SV thing. They've more aggressive air changes to the front.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Kenan]

We don't really have any other details outside of that. We have some vague understanding of what it might look like.

[Doug]

The word is 1200 horse.

[Kenan]

Well, we'll see there. That's definitely not confirmed. I mean, the.

[Doug]

The word.

[Kenan]

The normal car has a six and a half liter V12 with a thousand. So you imagine a 200. 200 horsepower is a lot, but I wouldn't be surprised if that bump is there.

[Doug]

But the word, dude, this is gonna be cool.

[Kenan]

I know. It is. All the SV models, Aventador or whatever

[Doug]

this is called is so Revuelto is so cool. No, I'm serious. It is. It is so. It is such a cool car.

[Kenan]

I know. And it.

[Doug]

The. The normal, much more than SF90.

[Kenan]

Right. And the normal one is just astonishing. So I can't. This is gonna be. Just blow everybody's mind. Even better. But I'm excited. I mean, it's always cool when an SV version comes out.

[Doug]

What was your favorite sv Lambo.

[Kenan]

This is the Mercy sv, not the Countach. There was no Countach sv.

[Doug]

It was the only one that didn't have one.

[Kenan]

That's right. Well, the Diablo SV is really good. That black.

[Doug]

You know what they did give us on the Countach instead? The anniversary.

[Kenan]

Oh, yeah. That was a worthwhile trade off. That hideous looking thing. Not Hiroshi's Pagani's finest work. Yeah. Heinous thing, but no. Well, the Mira SV is really good.

[Doug]

No, I agree with you. The mercy.

[Kenan]

I think the mercy.

[Doug]

To me, it's super limited. It came out like peak recession, like Bear Stearns was collapsing. And Lambo was like, we got a $600,000 car for you.

[Kenan]

Exactly. And you know, oh, man, that thing is just so cool.

[Doug]

Filippo, you ever think about wanting one of these?

[Felipe]

No.

[Doug]

No.

[Felipe]

It is cool, though.

[Doug]

There's not a moment in your life when you. When it hits you like, hey, this is cool.

[Felipe]

No, I. I said it's cool.

[Doug]

Like, there's not a moment where you're driving around in. In your bad wheel targa and you're thinking, this could be me in this Lambo.

[Felipe]

I remember when we hosted one on Cars and Bits a couple years ago. It's so cool.

[Doug]

Yeah, it is. We did host one. Did you know that, Kenneth?

[Kenan]

I vaguely remember that car.

[Felipe]

We also had a. There you go.

[Doug]

It was in Canada. I think.

[Felipe]

It was indeed.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

So cool.

[Kenan]

700,000. What are those cars worth now for? A million, probably.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Tips. Yeah.

[Doug]

They're not that crazy considering how low production it was.

[Felipe]

Right?

[Kenan]

Very cool. But nonetheless, this is what the next one will kind of look like. I think the camo is. I love that Lamborghini, like, leaned in, like, most of the time the camo looks the same on all these cars. In this case, they went for fire and telling everybody.

[Doug]

And a fast car. So this car went into production in summer of 23, so an SV is probably a year out. You figure it's going to be another 10, 12 year life cycle. Like all the big Lambos.

[Kenan]

Yeah, probably.

[Doug]

So this is an sv, svj, et cetera. The whole situation comes out.

[Felipe]

Right.

[Doug]

Yeah, but it's.

[Felipe]

It's cool.

[Doug]

It's exciting.

[Kenan]

It's really exciting.

[Doug]

Rosu Scrambled.

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All right, but we got another Italian manufacturer. So the Ferrari Luce. So the Luce. We've had a lot of stuff coming out about this recently. I actually watched a video going through the interior talking about like all the little components.

[Doug]

It's really cool.

[Kenan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Doug]

In the background is it like a. Is this the interior of a helicopter flying over a village?

[Kenan]

So the studio in which all this is. There's a studio you go to or Johnny, I've shows all like, like an Apple product studio basically because it looks

[Doug]

like we're driving a gondola. Do you agree?

[Felipe]

Yeah.

[Doug]

No.

[Kenan]

I think we're in a hot air balloon. We're in a zeppelin. These are the kids.

[Felipe]

210 kilometers.

[Doug]

Because that's kind of how people feel about this car, you know, like it's an electric b. Anyway, what's this?

[Kenan]

Which I have some thoughts on that, which I'll come back to in a second. But the, the announcement is that Bloomberg claims they got from an insider a hint into the pricing of this car. Now the car is going to come out next month in an event in Roman. We'll find out for sure. But they're saying it's gonna be about $650,000 which is starting which is an awful lot for an EV. Even a Ferrari 650 is a lot. And you have to imagine with options, these are, most of. These are going to be three quarters of a million dollars.

[Felipe]

I mean look, it's a hundred thousand pounds. The they have for some reason they're recording this.

[Doug]

It's going to be £100,000. It's so much electric is so heavy. You think the Revuelto's heavy.

[Felipe]

The 650 comes from £550,000. And the in that same market the purosangues £450,000. So £100,000. $150,000 more than a purosangue.

[Doug]

Yeah. That's a lot. If they attempt to sell an electric sports car at $650,000. I think even Ferrari has met its match. How do they not understand that the SF90 is already a terrible seller.

[Felipe]

What about the Pininfarina Batista? Yeah. What's MSRP on that?

[Doug]

Two and a half.

[Felipe]

Two and a half.

[Doug]

And you know how those are cutting

[Felipe]

that by about $2 million.

[Kenan]

Let me calculate, you know how many those have sold.

[Doug]

They've sold zero.

[Felipe]

Zero.

[Doug]

No one has bought one.

[Felipe]

When you cut the price in in thirds, you get closer.

[Doug]

No, not at the volume.

[Kenan]

Multiply by zero. You said it was.

[Doug]

I think they wanted to sell 100 at the volume they're going to want to sell this close. The SF90 gives you an insight into how customers want to be to electric cars to be in their lives. And the the answer is they don't. Right. SF 90s are 650 stickers. They are selling on the used market for half price. You know, the one thing that is not talked about enough in Luca with Luca di Montezemolo Montezumel, our Lord and savior, is that in addition to doing a lot of beneficial things for Ferrari, he actually got supply and demand correct and he's gone. And within only a few years, supply and demand is already going on the bad side of private equity. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Kenan]

I do know.

[Doug]

Just build more of them. It's going to work. Well, it isn't. And when we were kids, you couldn't get a Ferrari. The resale market was high, the buyer market was high. It was annoying for customers. But for the company and for the brand, it was great. Well, now the cars are depreciating. They have more cars than customers. And suddenly, obviously the brand hasn't eroded yet. But you come up with a $650,000 electric car and you start to wonder if that starts to occur.

[Kenan]

I would not be surprised. And to be clear, I think as far as the electric car stuff goes, I think the idea of restyling the interior and having someone do this stuff properly who is an actually good engineer and with great style makes a lot of sense. The Ferrari interiors really haven't changed that much since the 458, if we're honest. Like, they really haven't changed.

[Doug]

The full screen thing showed up. The giant full screen thing came up in the road.

[Kenan]

Still like the, the vent. It's still like very, it's still a little bit derivative of its past. It hasn't been something like very, very new in a while. And I think this is like, I think all this stuff is really cool and feels nice and like is the quality.

[Doug]

I have no comment on the interior. Couldn't care less and very excited to see the car, what it looks like, how it performs in the price point. And if it's 650 for an electric,

[Kenan]

I know it's a hard pill to swallow.

[Doug]

Plaid can do zero to 60 in one. But they're selling them every day for 22.

[Felipe]

But then you're going for style. Right. I think that it was the right decision to lean into Ken's point like a. A well reputed beloved designer to design the exterior and the interior had better look.

[Doug]

Better look more beautiful.

[Felipe]

I know, I agree.

[Doug]

Anything that's come out of Italy since the Sistine Chapel was.

[Felipe]

I do wonder. So the SF90 tried to combine a lot of things pretty early.

[Doug]

Right.

[Felipe]

It tried to combine a hybrid and G and still having a gas engine and a new interior. And that was maybe too much. But I wonder about a full EV where you're attracting a different batter. You're right.

[Doug]

You're right. The problem with the SF90 is the gas powertrain. That's why it's not selling. It's the gas power.

[Felipe]

I was going for the combination between

[Doug]

them, but you're right, they combine too many things. Let's strip it down to the basics. Get rid of that pesky engine.

[Felipe]

Yeah. Who does that?

[Doug]

I. I think 11sts are selling for 750. Do you know what car will never sell for 750 after it's initially sold to its first owner? Who by the way will be the dealer. The Luche.

[Felipe]

Probably.

[Kenan]

You're probably right.

[Felipe]

We'll see.

[Doug]

We'll find out.

[Felipe]

But it might be beautiful.

[Doug]

Many years ago I got a Ferrari press car and it's never going to happen again. But you know what? I love that 296.

[Felipe]

And you like the 12 cylinder?

[Doug]

I love the 12 cylinder. I love. I'm glad you're saying it the correct way.

[Felipe]

It took a lot of restraint.

[Doug]

I love the 296. I love the purosangue. I think it's hain. But it drives amazing.

[Kenan]

It's got a V12.

[Doug]

Yeah. And it just. The steering, it just feels so good. The SF90 is a. Is an abomination. The SP3 changed our lives.

[Kenan]

It did.

[Doug]

SP3 was my car of the year a couple years ago. It's usually like a Tesla.

[Kenan]

No, it deserves it like that. That car is very notable in our lives. Wish it weren't called the Daytona, but other than that it is really cool.

[Doug]

F80 coming. You excited for that?

[Kenan]

You know, when we saw it in person in Monterey, I liked it a lot more than I thought I was going to. And I would be really curious. Like I'm really curious because I'm not gonna get to drive one before you. But your thoughts about. I'm sure it's amazing racing but you know Would rather have an S3D car.

[Doug]

I did really love. Was that SF90XX. Like, really love.

[Kenan]

I was surprised that you liked it so much.

[Doug]

So was I. I was going into it thinking, I gotta do this. And then I came out of it like, well, I gotta get one of those.

[Kenan]

Maybe it's because your expectations were so rock bottom low.

[Doug]

No, there. It's. I am not a person who likes raw cars mentally. But then actually, I really mostly do like raw cars. Like, I drove that 340R and I was like, this is so cool.

[Felipe]

To be fair. It is.

[Doug]

It really is. And what I really want is a P1 GTR. If I had crazy money, I would do two things. I would never talk to him again. And I.

[Kenan]

You love saying this. I don't know why that's the thing that you could just stop talking to if you wanted to.

[Doug]

No, we got. We got entanglements. We got our wives, we got.

[Kenan]

The business doesn't go away with money.

[Doug]

No, no. If I had crazy would disentangle and be like, fully.

[Felipe]

It'd be worth it. Gone. It'd be worth it at that point.

[Kenan]

So you're saying you'd pay him to

[Felipe]

stop speaking to you?

[Doug]

No, just.

[Kenan]

He says this a lot.

[Doug]

I would just be like, filippo, you're out. I am. I have so much money that you're out. If you see me in my P1 GTR, wave to me as I drive.

[Felipe]

I would accept money to not engage. That's fine. Someone to consider how much.

[Kenan]

Cedo. He'll start bothering you more unless you pay him. That's.

[Felipe]

That's an interesting take.

[Kenan]

He knows where you live.

[Doug]

Are there more news stories?

[Kenan]

No, that is the end.

[Doug]

All right, we have to move on.

[Kenan]

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[Doug]

today to the top cars segment, which is brought to you by my Toyota Sequoia.

[Felipe]

Wow. We're back to it. Filippo, are we on or off the Sequoia?

[Doug]

I gotta get out of this car.

[Felipe]

What happened?

[Doug]

All right. Me and Sean today are at a gas station filming God knows what. And a Sequoia TRD Pro rolls in.

[Felipe]

Nice. What color?

[Doug]

And it has a vanity plate. They all have vanity plates.

[Felipe]

So does yours.

[Doug]

It was black.

[Felipe]

What color?

[Doug]

And it has a roof tent. And I'm like. And it's. And the guy had changed out the Falcon wild piece for Toyos. He had already uptired. And I'm like, oh, God. And it comes in and it's so.

[Felipe]

Didn't you also uptire? Huh? Didn't you also uptire?

[Doug]

No, I got OEs.

[Felipe]

I'm like, okay.

[Doug]

And then he. And I said to Sean, I said, this guy's gonna get out and be the most like tatted up, flat brim hat like, like hardcore maga, bro. And he gets out and he is literally wearing a shirt with an American flag on it that says freedom. And I'm like, God bless, brother. And I want to be clear on this podcast, we don't do politics. And I don't care about the Republicans. They can do as they wish. But the car is so far toward that. It's the same reason why I don't want to drive a Honda Clarity in the other direction.

[Felipe]

Too far the other way.

[Doug]

I don't want a caution driver singing bumper sticker. You know what I mean? But at the same time, I don't want to be stereotyped to the point where I'm getting out of my Sequoia Tri Pro and I'm wearing a Freedom Mature. Like, come on, man.

[Kenan]

I know what you're getting you for your birthday.

[Doug]

Now I got to get out of this car. So here's my plan. You're going to love this plan.

[Felipe]

I. I'm so excited.

[Doug]

I'm still looking for an amg. An old AMG Stationway. Ramy is looking for me. Inbound Motorsports. Ramy, my heart and soul is Ramy. He hasn't found one for me yet. We're still looking. Here's my plan. This is a Filippo style plan. I got to drive the Sequoia to Nantucket this year. I've. It's been too long. It's like it's too late in the season to make a change. Sell it. I get back in middle August. Sell it. Instantly gone.

[Felipe]

You don't need a car for nine months. You don't need a car.

[Doug]

I never use that car in the. In the winter. Nine months. Drive my station. My new. When the. When it's time to go again, we buy an LX700.

[Felipe]

For the record, this is exactly the plan that we laid out in October of last year.

[Doug]

We're doing it.

[Felipe]

I found you one.

[Doug]

You know what I've been going on autotrader. They haven't depreciated. We were looking in January. We were looking in January. And then the car mom did that thing where she showed that it's horrible with car seats and I completely lost interest. I literally haven't checked prices until two days ago. They're the same.

[Felipe]

I do want you to be aware it hasn't gotten better for car seats in that time.

[Doug]

No, it hasn't. And it's not any cheaper. And it's still bad. And I think that a lot of the ones that are selling used are probably getting exported, which is why I suspect that prices are not particularly going particularly lower. But I got to get out of the Sequoia.

[Kenan]

I really like this plan because I hate your Sequoia.

[Doug]

Hate it.

[Kenan]

Really hate it. There's another one in the neighborhood. That's just so embarrassing.

[Felipe]

Why is it so rumbly?

[Kenan]

It's just because, like, can you tune that out? People want that.

[Doug]

If I could tune that out and maybe swap the. I've been looking for a wheel option for. Since I bought it. I send wheel options to the.

[Felipe]

I know you do. God, do I know.

[Kenan]

We've gotten all. Gotten tired of it. And the camo and the gun locker. It's just like a nice. Thanks.

[Doug]

It's too much. It's too much.

[Kenan]

I will not be sad when that hideous, massive thing disappears from our lives.

[Felipe]

We all agree the worst part is the giant Toyota on the.

[Kenan]

That. No, there's a lot of bad. That's bad. There's just some worst is.

[Doug]

That's so great. It's triple locked. Okay.

[Felipe]

Yeah.

[Doug]

The first triple lock Toyota since the 80s.

[Felipe]

I told you. Raw dog it though. So like, why do you need that?

[Doug]

It's triple Locked. And you know what it doesn't do tell anybody. You would have no clue what that car is. Whereas the Sequoia TRD Pro, which is also exceptionally good off road, just has to shout it to everybody like the MAGA Republican car that it is. You know what I mean?

[Felipe]

No, I mean it is.

[Doug]

And so I can't do it. I have to move on.

[Kenan]

Well, thank goodness.

[Felipe]

Finally. We're not going to go down that road. Don't worry. Eventually, maybe they'll actually have the trim packages you want though.

[Doug]

I only want an LX700.

[Felipe]

I was next to a Z71 Suburban yesterday. Like a new post, it looks like a Super Cruise. Yeah, I know.

[Doug]

The Suburban still doesn't have Super Cruise's Z71. You have to choose between the two. The Yukon, you can get an AT4 and Super Cruise.

[Felipe]

There you go.

[Doug]

I want a car that lasts because I will own it for two to two and a half years.

[Felipe]

Hey, Toyota, if you want to make a more a triple locked Sienna, you got a buyer.

[Doug]

Oh, my God. To be clear, I could buy a. Buy triple locked Sienna. I am not screwing with you. I would buy it tomorrow, but my plan is sell the thing in the fall, drive my new station wagon. That Rami will find me until the spring and then by then, this is a year from now, you got to assume that LX overtrail values have gotten into like 94. 94? Yeah.

[Felipe]

Down from 97.

[Doug]

Yep. Well, that's not. That's not nothing. I know in your world four grand is meaningless, but to people like me and Kenneth.

[Felipe]

Well, your Sequoia would appreciate. Notably. It doesn't matter.

[Doug]

The Sequoia. I think though it's nine months of depreciation. I don't have to suffer in the Sequoia. And I can benefit from an lx. Yeah, we're gonna do this. You're committed that though that in March we gotta find an LX over trail next year.

[Felipe]

Yeah, you bet.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Felipe]

It depends on whether you pay me to not talk to you or not. We'll see what happens. Gotta hear.

[Doug]

Okay, that's my talk cars, Filippo.

[Felipe]

We've got a few.

[Doug]

I'm a little nervous about some of them, but go ahead.

[Felipe]

All right. I'm gonna start on a personal note here. We've been talking a lot about 911s. We've become a Porsche podcast.

[Doug]

This is the.

[Kenan]

You won't stop talking about it.

[Doug]

Not the terrorist attack, the sports car,

[Kenan]

not that awful dragon.

[Felipe]

You'll let the Porsche 911 I could talk about how I drove with LA twice in the last week, but my wife has told me that we talk too much about Porsches on this podcast and that people may have forgotten that I'm not really that guy. I'm not into expensive cars generally.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Felipe]

And so she told me a couple nights ago that I should buy a Saab.

[Doug]

Pull up.

[Felipe]

SOBS oh, that I should buy a cheap sop. Now, little does she know that I've been looking at them on Facebook, Marketplace, a lot. Well, actually, that's where the worst ones are.

[Doug]

For 12. The whole. All 12 years I've known you, you've been looking for cheap marketplace.

[Felipe]

I know.

[Doug]

So any day now.

[Felipe]

Any day now. I should have bought that 900 Turbo. I know. Why didn't I?

[Doug]

Was that local? To be fair, it's local.

[Felipe]

It was two years ago.

[Doug]

Yeah, but Filippo, what are you.

[Felipe]

What am I. I should have thought

[Kenan]

it was so cool.

[Doug]

Where was this? It's got California places. They're all gonna be in the bay.

[Felipe]

They're all gonna be. Yeah. I don't think that realistically we can have five cars for two adults. That's a little much even for me.

[Doug]

Filippo's like the one of these. Filippo's like one of these Michael Fuchs type people. Have you. Have you figured this out? He can't sell anything. He like, can't get motivated to sell a car.

[Felipe]

Cars have purpose in our house.

[Kenan]

Michael Fuchs stuff seems five.

[Felipe]

Well, no, we're rolling at four. That's why I can't add a five cars.

[Doug]

You're two drivers and you have so many of the cars. Yeah, but Filippo, three of the cars are hatchbacks and the pickup truck has rotted tires you can't use. I don't understand. What does the Volkswagen GTI do that the Mercedes station wagon doesn't?

[Felipe]

The GTI is going to go away.

[Doug]

Yeah, but how long we've been hearing that?

[Felipe]

Because the issue is that every week that car gets driven a few hundred miles up to Riverside and back or wherever. My wife has worked travel.

[Doug]

I take the Mercedes station wagon.

[Felipe]

She will take that. Yeah. Okay, so no, no, the GTI is going away way. It just is. It's like in my mind it's gone.

[Kenan]

Well, but in reality is that it's still here.

[Felipe]

Yeah, but it's going to be gone soon. But then maybe, maybe we'll go back to four.

[Doug]

Mind. It's already gone.

[Kenan]

Is it in your mind that money's in your bank account.

[Doug]

I got 14 cars, but in my mind, 12 of them don't exist. So I really. I'm down to two.

[Kenan]

It's like some Nick Ron level.

[Doug]

That was some flaky but.

[Felipe]

So maybe there'll be a Saab in my future. Or Volvo. I'm, I'm. I could go either way.

[Doug]

D5R get an A50. Could be cool if you get an 850 T5R wagon.

[Felipe]

I only buy stick cars.

[Doug]

You can swap a stick in two seconds. Me and Ken, literally, me and Kenan with two cold ones could do it in a couple hours. He would even be back in time for dinner with Emily.

[Felipe]

I don't want that. I would consider a lot of like bad 80s 90s cars.

[Doug]

Pull that back up.

[Felipe]

No, no. That's a good 80s 90s car. I've never been an A50 fan. Unfortunately.

[Doug]

I put 40,000 miles on one of these and never been a fan of

[Felipe]

that a 50 either actually.

[Doug]

What do you like? What Volvos do you like?

[Felipe]

Love? The, the next gen I do like. And the prior generation. Yeah. I do love a nice S70 and a V70.

[Doug]

What's the difference between S70 and 850?

[Felipe]

No, no, the, the. Well, they're becoming a little more rounded and I do like it more post. I do like this more. But it's too new.

[Doug]

This is like.

[Kenan]

It's too new.

[Felipe]

1998, if I'm going old, I'm going to go 80s 90s.

[Doug]

So Volvos are out.

[Felipe]

Well, no, I do love a nice 240.

[Doug]

A 240. If he gets a 240. If you get a 240 wagon in addition to your Mercedes wagon and your GTI.

[Felipe]

I know. No, the GTI will be gone.

[Doug]

Oh yeah, yeah, the GTI is gone.

[Felipe]

I forgot that SP, that 900 SPG I think I did bid on but it was sold by the Peterson and it had. Hadn't been run. There was some issue with it. But I think I did bid.

[Doug]

The fact that you didn't buy this car with three spokes especially you could

[Kenan]

have bought $100 is.

[Felipe]

I have permission from my wife.

[Doug]

Original Saab 900. This thing an OG 900 but not an OG 900. Do you know what I mean?

[Felipe]

Right. Yeah.

[Kenan]

I'm so curious.

[Felipe]

That is the OG 900. But it's okay.

[Doug]

What's the next one?

[Felipe]

The NG 900.

[Doug]

What's the last one?

[Felipe]

The OG 93 and then the NG 93.

[Doug]

Okay, got it.

[Felipe]

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Two other quick things I want to talk about that are events related because I feel Like I got to shout them out. I will be at both of them in early May. I will be no other one. I will not be a wagon fast for sure. But I will be at a Cars and Coffee that we're doing at Tire Rack headquarters in South Bend, Indiana, alongside the American Branching association and one Lap of America.

[Kenan]

I've driven past it before.

[Felipe]

Have you? They have quite a large parking lot. So One Lap of America participants, that's the ending of it, are going to be doing laps at the Tire Rack thing. You know, word headquarters.

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah.

[Felipe]

But then we're gonna be doing a Cars and Coffee that morning. If you want to come in the community page, we have a post where you can submit your car. I'm gonna personally review them and send some personalized invites to the car.

[Kenan]

Second point, Filippo will be on the ground, not in the air, hanging out, talking about cars.

[Felipe]

I want to be clear. You have to go to the community post, Enter your, put your car there, because I'm gonna review all of them and invite the people that I think have the coolest cars.

[Doug]

Folk, this is that I think have

[Felipe]

the coolest car, not that Doug thinks has the coolest car that I think

[Doug]

this is the Tire Rack headquarters off Vordon Parkway out there in South Bend

[Felipe]

have about half of their main parking lot.

[Doug]

If you are nice to Filippo, he will take you over to the Pilot Travel center off of Brick Road in South Bend there and he will buy you a hot dog.

[Felipe]

I make no such commitment.

[Doug]

If you are nice to Filippo, he'll take you. He may even take you to Chivo's Pizza, which is on Ameritech Drive in South Bend across the street from Pilot.

[Felipe]

Sounds like it'll be good.

[Doug]

I'll tell you this. If this cars and coffee goes well and Filippo ends up happy and maybe a scene of a couple of sobs, everybody goes to Chivo's Pizza on Filippo at the end of the event.

[Felipe]

How about this? I'll bring the people pizza. Unfortunately, the vent ends at like 11am a little early.

[Doug]

That's why you go over to Chivo's, dude.

[Kenan]

That's your ride at lunchtime.

[Doug]

Chivos opens at 11.

[Felipe]

Made in Heaven.

[Doug]

Unfortunately, it doesn't open till 3 on Saturdays. Chivos doesn't do lunch on the weekend.

[Felipe]

What a shame. The other event is we will be at the Velocity Invitational. We're going to be bringing a bunch of really exciting cars, including an Alfa Romeo TZ that's over there. That changed Doug's life, changed my life. A bunch of the cars, all the Cars that we bring will be up for auction. So you can come to the event. Check them out.

[Doug]

Are you going to this?

[Kenan]

I am not going to this.

[Felipe]

Why not? Which is a sad shame.

[Kenan]

I don't know. I might. I was talking to grandma. I was like, I was thinking I might.

[Doug]

Come on, dude. This is a real event.

[Kenan]

I know.

[Doug]

Have you been to Sonoma?

[Kenan]

I have not.

[Doug]

You should go to this.

[Kenan]

You think so?

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Felipe]

It's going to be.

[Doug]

This is going to truly car heaven in May instead of in August. For this is. You should go up there. It's so close.

[Felipe]

It's like vintage racing.

[Kenan]

Six, seven hours away.

[Felipe]

Yeah, that's an easy flight.

[Doug]

Six, seven.

[Felipe]

But regardless, we'll be up there. Check out the carsandbits.com events to buy tickets with a discount or if you have a car, we have a couple more slots. Literally a couple.

[Doug]

Wait, wait.

[Felipe]

For cool cars.

[Doug]

If I live in the South Bend thing at Tirek, is there tickets for that?

[Felipe]

Yes. You have to go to community page and I will invite you if you are worthy. Wow.

[Doug]

Okay. The velocity thing, you need to buy tickets.

[Felipe]

You need to actually buy tickets. There's a discount code at the events page.

[Doug]

Okay. Now what if a lot of good events. What if you live in Fort Wayne?

[Felipe]

Well, you're used to driving to get some good things.

[Doug]

Okay. Kenner, you got some talk cars for us?

[Kenan]

Yes, I have a couple of talk cars things. So right now. So we're filming this on Wednesday. By the time this airs, this will be over. But my friend's Boxster listening has been going on. Yeah. Is at $19,000 as of the moment

[Felipe]

we started filming this podcast.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it's really been moving along, but I mean, it's an unbelievably nice example. And my friend Brian has done just an incredible job documenting it. And like, I genuinely mean this. Like, I'm not just saying because I'm helping represent it, but like, if I didn't want a viper, I probably would have bought this. And then I would have just one upped you. I would have been very happy to pull up along your 9 11.

[Felipe]

Careful with your language.

[Doug]

It's pretty common to be deciding between a 986 box dress and a viper. And so I understand.

[Kenan]

And I fall in love with nice examples of things when I see something that's nice and cared for. I just love that story.

[Felipe]

That's how you love my wagon.

[Doug]

Do you?

[Kenan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Doug]

Do you fall in love with nice examples of things? Yeah, of course. Because if so, where's this going.

[Kenan]

I don't know.

[Doug]

I'm really worried right now over on the cars and bids there.

[Kenan]

Cars and bids.

[Doug]

Can you pull up, go to the cars and bids and type in classic. Just the word classic.

[Kenan]

Classic.

[Doug]

Because right now we have live that. It's a nice click on that. Yes, we have live right now. This is a 4,500mile example of the Toyota Classic.

[Felipe]

Yes.

[Doug]

Now, Ken, and you have previously told us that you like nice things.

[Kenan]

I say I fall in love with nice things and my heart is only so large.

[Doug]

This is so cool.

[Felipe]

It's on a Hilux platform.

[Kenan]

I think it's actually pretty cool. The best part about it to me is that Toyota logo, like a Mercedes logo on the front, just sticking up proud on the hood.

[Doug]

Did I tell the story of this car on this podcast, the history of this car?

[Felipe]

No.

[Doug]

All right, Toyota, I'm sorry to interrupt the box.

[Kenan]

I will come back.

[Doug]

Toyota, we all know Toyota. They manufacture a lot of great cars. And also my Republican SUV and not Republican, mega Republican, someone say a lot of great cars. So Toyota had become a car company in whatever year 1920, whatever, whatever. And it's. They're coming up on their 75th or their 100th or whatever birthday, 60 and they're. You know this story?

[Felipe]

No, but I'm reading 60 and they're

[Doug]

like, they're like, we really want to find a good example for our birthday of the very first car that we ever made. Do you know the story? They want to find the very. A good example of the first car they ever made. It was this Toyota and it looked like a Chrysler Airflow similar to this. And they, they made it like a 200 of them total in the whole world. And they were like, let's find a good example of the car so we can show it off. The aa, that's what it was called, so we can show this car off at our birthday celebrations. So they start looking and looking and looking. Two years later, they never found an example of their first car. So what they decided to do was using as many photos and documents as they could find. They recreated and this isn't it. This is a modern homage to the. The car. But they recreated one example that was really perfect of a Model aa. And then the birthday happened, came and went. And then they found one in a barn in Russia and type it in that the only one that's photographed is going to be the ugly one that shows up from the barn.

[Felipe]

Yeah, there it is.

[Doug]

The car had been mounted on a different frame and use different Wheels, but the body. This was agreed by all parties to be a Toyota model aa, the only surviving Toyota model aa.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Doug]

And the Russians who found it in their barn sold it for hundreds of thousands of dollars to I think the Toyota distributor in the Netherlands. And it's in a museum, I think in the Netherlands or Belgium or something like that. But after many years of searching, Toyota couldn't find the first, first, their first car, only for it to turn up later in a barn in Russia. No one knows how, no one knows why. Anyway, this is intended to be a modern day kind of take on. I actually saw one of these when I was in Tokyo many years ago.

[Felipe]

Built by Toyota Technocraft.

[Doug]

What is your. So you like nice examples? Here you go.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I'm good.

[Doug]

It's on a Tilux chassis. What motor's in it?

[Felipe]

A two liter four cylinder.

[Doug]

It looks like pretty weak Tylo players too. But if it's on a Hilux chassis, you know what you could do?

[Kenan]

You could raw dog it on the Otai.

[Doug]

Anyway, Ken, the Boxster's up.

[Kenan]

Yeah, the box, but the boxer's up and is performing quite well. But I also have. So I have another friend who wanted me to help him sell his car. That's coming out like the words out very quick, in quick succession. So this is my friend's car. So this is a very different car. I don't think people are cross shopping the two of these. And I've been working on this for like a week or so. So like the timing is like just kind of what it is. But this is a Ferrari California T. But specifically it's a 70th anniversary model. Do you remember these cars?

[Doug]

No.

[Kenan]

So to celebrate their birthday, their 70th birthday, Ferrari decided they wanted to create an homage to 70 iconic liveries from their past. You know, very famous color combinations. They decided to build one of each model in the range using that color combination. So there were five models. It was the GTC4 Lusso, the 480 GTB, the Spyder, the the F12 and the California D. And so they built 350 of these cars. And technically each of them is a one of one because they would do one example of each.

[Doug]

So this is the Cali 270 of this colorway, whatever it was trying to pay homage.

[Kenan]

Yes, the 206 Dino composite, the one that Glickenhouse has. Oh yeah, because this has the blue carpets and all that stuff. And what's interesting is like if you bought one of these cars from Ferrari, my friend bought this Car brand new, actually bought two of them. This one in a different California Tina, different liver. But when you bought them, you didn't option the car. Ferrari did all of it. They specced all of it through their TaylorMade program, which is like their Sunder one, like the equivalent. And so the TaylorMade badge. Yeah, so the. This is the. Just like a videotape. But yeah, the TaylorMade badge says, like, exactly which car it's inspired by. It says one of one on it. Which Ferrari, you know, kind of plays a little fast and loose with production numbers, but, like, they actually call it out a one of one. No, this one. These definitely are a one of one. But what's fascinating is the market values these at an unbelievably high rate, because when you think about it, there are no collectible versions of the California T. The F12 has the TDF, but, like, they're just like the GTC for Lusso. There was nothing like that.

[Doug]

So this car's only got 1500 miles.

[Kenan]

1500 miles classic case certification, which for a new Ferrari, realize is like, you know, I mean, it was new, but, like, even so they go underneath it. There are pictures of the transmission numbers and all this stuff, and it's just like an amazing car. So I'm trying. So also, one last thing about this. When my friend went to Italy to the factory, he went to the Cl, to the.

[Doug]

To the.

[Kenan]

The Taylor made division, like, check things out, and they went and pulled the files on his car so he could see it. The level of detail they go into, I didn't realize, like, they have, like, the gauge of the thread that was used for the stitching, how wide. Everything has to be this particular color, which is Gialo Triplostrada, which is used on other Ferraris. They have five internal shades they don't tell people about. They just kind of pick them. They picked this shade for this car, and they have the exact paint mixture that's required for it. So, like, if it needs anything ever, like, Ferrari has all this information, which I had no idea that went.

[Doug]

Looks amazing, that car.

[Kenan]

And if you click through and listen. Yeah, this is obviously a really cool picture, but if you click through the extra pictures of the car like we're taking outside, it just goes in the sun. So I did a video on this car. It's up San Antonio, and that's where he has it stored right now.

[Felipe]

You're agreeing to present my wagon for me, right?

[Kenan]

You want help with your wagon? I'm going to be honest about every flaw this car has 1500 miles and I only found two flaws on it.

[Felipe]

Your car.

[Kenan]

I'm going to find some stuff.

[Doug]

So Canon is presenting cars. Canon is great at the.

[Felipe]

This.

[Doug]

Well, thank you. We got the Boxster. We have his own cars he's had been successful with. He's got this California.

[Felipe]

I can't break that again.

[Kenan]

A couple people reached out and like I, I do love doing this. It is really fun and I just want. I truly, genuinely just want to help these like good cars find like good humps. And I believe in our platform to do it and I'm happy to do this.

[Doug]

Boom. Take that.

[Kenan]

What you doing?

[Doug]

On that subject, I want to move on to the market report. I want to talk about our platform. The market report is brought to you by Cars and Fred, our second podcast. If you like cars and Bids, but you want friends, go to Cars and Friends.

[Felipe]

It comes out every Monday on the cars and bids YouTube channel and on Spotify podcast.

[Doug]

It's Ryan Lopez.

[Felipe]

It's often. It's usually me, Ken and Ryan Nick.

[Doug]

Ryan Lopez is part of it.

[Kenan]

Usually, sometimes.

[Doug]

Folks, if you tune in this week, Ryan Lopez will tell you the story about how he crashed a Mark 4 Supra. It's gonna be great stuff.

[Kenan]

He was so hot from not having his air conditioning fixed. They just lost control.

[Felipe]

None of this happened, thankfully.

[Doug]

I. I want to talk about nine. Nine ones.

[Felipe]

I. I removed that from my list because I felt like we talked about

[Doug]

that we did too much and I actually wonder if we had. We had. There's this short going around that blew up that we were like 991s are going to be the 993 of the modern era.

[Kenan]

You said.

[Doug]

I agree with that.

[Felipe]

You said that because I don't agree.

[Kenan]

I don't agree with it. I said the 997 instead of the

[Doug]

modern market agrees with me.

[Felipe]

No, 972, dude.

[Kenan]

997.

[Doug]

991 stick.

[Felipe]

Well, we sold a couple.

[Doug]

The market is this.

[Kenan]

Look at this. This a 20,000 mile S for that sold for 74.

[Doug]

Do you know what a 20,000 M991 S would sell for?

[Felipe]

It's also. It's also seven years old.

[Doug]

This is a base. These are base cars.

[Felipe]

I know the one with 57,000 miles.

[Doug]

This 57,000 miles sold for 80 plus. The one we sold today was a 10 tip and it sold for 79.

[Felipe]

I know the 991s are up.

[Doug]

Filippo.

[Felipe]

997s are up more.

[Doug]

But 9 ones are up up more relative. But 991s never went down and it is wild to me what this market looks like.

[Felipe]

I know. I can't believe the number one. I. I do suspect there aren't that many 991.2 sales that I find interesting because they're mostly PDK. I wonder though whether they're lower because those are the turbocharged 3 liter and instead of the.

[Doug]

Regardless, the market. Market is absolutely treating it like it's the end of an era.

[Felipe]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Because like I predicted it is.

[Kenan]

The dot 2s are not that much lower. Flu.

[Felipe]

Yeah. They're way newer. They're new.

[Doug]

Way newer. And they are not crazy money. 991.1s that are like base model cars with mid miles, especially with sticks are selling for. With sticks are selling for like crazy money.

[Felipe]

I agree.

[Doug]

Sean desperately wanted the big wheel brown one and he got so beaten out that he's still crying about it it. And then this one, the black one sold for even more with even more miles.

[Felipe]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

And I thought just recently we were talking about how991 service coming finally.

[Felipe]

I saw it on a podcast three weeks ago when that was true for the results on Cars and Friends. And then somehow they're ticking back up

[Kenan]

because we really talked about it, the commenters are right. We over hyped it and now they're going up.

[Doug]

I am astonished at that market.

[Felipe]

Convertible pdk, by the way, are an exception. So if you want a 991 convertible

[Kenan]

PDK, you can get a good code with all 911s. If you want a good value, you get the cab there especially. It's always so much cheaper.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Felipe]

But I would say I'm like, I

[Kenan]

still would love a 991.1 tip as like a daily tip.

[Felipe]

Cabriolet. They're 50 grand.

[Kenan]

It's not gonna go down at all.

[Felipe]

I can't imagine going down more than that.

[Kenan]

No, it's N A.

[Felipe]

Well, but you should consider it, truly.

[Doug]

By the way, you know what car, you know what car was, was cheap. Go to pull up, press up, press up. Type up right up, press up.

[Felipe]

Yeah.

[Doug]

VB11.

[Felipe]

Oh, I saw that result. Yeah.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

So this car had a salvage title and so it didn't, it didn't sell.

[Kenan]

The colors are for those of us who are colors.

[Doug]

But 515 now it didn't sell. Okay. The market views a salvage title DB11 with only 10,000 miles to be worth 50. And I'm sitting here looking at 991s with 60,000 miles. Selling for 80. And by the way, this is true over on bring the trailer also. It's. They're all the 991 market's crazy DB11s. You want to bargain, you go pick up a DB11.

[Felipe]

No, that. That the one that sold for. The one that sold for 80 is not a V12.

[Kenan]

But can I along that train of thought. Can I talk about a V12 Aston? So I think that I said on the. The cars and the buds. Yeah. That I think that V12 Astons. I think Astons in general are undervalued. I still cannot believe that these vantages are so cheap for what they are. I think all Aston Martins offer un unbelievable value and incredible performance. It's 100 grand. Yeah. But a manual one is more than double that. I know this isn't automatic but like huge giant 560.

[Doug]

You don't think 100 for a 9,000 mile tip. Right. That seems about right where I would expect it to be.

[Felipe]

Feels a little more than I would personally.

[Kenan]

I think it's such a number.

[Felipe]

Is.

[Doug]

Is really impressive. Why did that car sell so cheap?

[Kenan]

Was it a lot of miles? I think it had tons of miles on it.

[Doug]

33,000 miles.

[Kenan]

But even so like I would. I would happily buy this car. I just think Aston's like in general are really offer an incredible experience.

[Doug]

I agree with that.

[Kenan]

Not.

[Doug]

I mean it's something in a car this size is pretty legit. That's unbiased horsepower is pretty cool.

[Felipe]

Stick for 85. That was a.

[Kenan]

That was. Well, it was not an S. The S's are like $250,000 cars.

[Doug]

You want to talk about the RS2, pull it up. No, I want the RS2.

[Felipe]

Really want to talk about the Corolla XRS?

[Doug]

Pull up the RS2 first.

[Felipe]

No, no. Go to go to the RS2 first.

[Doug]

So I want to tell you a story about the RS2. Anybody who's not selling wagons on cars and bids is insane. This RS2 went over on the bring the trailer and sold for and R and M for a fraction of its actual worth, if we're being honest. And came over to the cars and the bids and sold for all the money that it absolutely deserved because it's cool as hell. Cars and bids is so clearly the wagon place. And it's just true. And this car proves it.

[Felipe]

7075 3% more than the prior result

[Doug]

over the trailer place. This car is. I still think it's cool and it still uses Porsche mirrors after all this time and wheels and Wheels and turn signals and a lot of other stuff.

[Felipe]

It's still a cool car. And I realized when thinking about this car that I don't. You don't want. But I did like yours a lot.

[Doug]

You want the Corolla xrs?

[Felipe]

I do. Okay. We have a Corolla xrs.

[Doug]

You know what? This car, the one that's live. The one that's live. No. We just got to talk about for a brief period, I think there may have actually been two generations. Toyota took the four cylinder engine that was in the Lotus Elise and other Toyotas like the Matrix XRS and the Vibe GT and they put it in a Corolla. And from the outside it basically can't be told apart. There's a couple ways that guys like me and Filippo can tell.

[Kenan]

How is it the bumper?

[Doug]

It had its own wheels. The bumpers were a little different. It had a spoiler minor though because. Because the regular Corolla S also had this stuff. It was just a little different.

[Felipe]

The, the spoiler was a little worse than this.

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah.

[Felipe]

It's such a cool car. This has got to be the nicest, single, nicest one in existence.

[Doug]

You've got to assume dynamically it's not that great.

[Felipe]

Who cares?

[Doug]

I know cuz the power, that powertrain. I had that powertrain in the least.

[Felipe]

It is so it looks good. I don't like this version Corolla very much, but somehow.

[Doug]

Really? This isn't your favorite gen Corolla?

[Felipe]

No, my wife actually had one for a bit.

[Doug]

What's your favorite gen Corolla Corolla. This is my favorite. 03 to 08.

[Felipe]

The one before it.

[Doug]

Really?

[Felipe]

It was also Chevy Prism. Yeah.

[Doug]

That was such a mediocre car.

[Felipe]

It was a better car.

[Kenan]

That's the kind of car,

[Felipe]

kind of

[Kenan]

car he wants is raucously mediocre.

[Doug]

The current Corolla is pretty damn good.

[Felipe]

It's a good car. Is this your favorite Corolla?

[Doug]

The current Corolla with the hybrid is hard to argue against, to be honest. It's a damn good fun fact. This is.

[Kenan]

I'm sorry.

[Felipe]

No, please.

[Kenan]

This is the kind of car I love that's been like, well, kept like this. Well, Kenan, this is beautiful.

[Felipe]

21,000 miles. It's got the manual, it's got the, the 2ZZ. It's unmodified. It's in Arizona.

[Kenan]

You know, I've never owned a Japanese car.

[Doug]

This motor in the Elise was so good. You'd be on it and you'd be going fast and Then the, the, the.

[Felipe]

The.

[Doug]

It kicks in at this like super. The variable laptop thing kicks in. This super high rev and then it goes even faster and it was like.

[Kenan]

Now granted this is front wheel drive. Drive has four doors, is heavier than it's dynamic as the Elise.

[Doug]

Let me make a suggestion though. You could convert it to mid engine, rear wheel drive. It's already been done. It's got to be possible.

[Kenan]

Just a couple of cold ones

[Doug]

underneath

[Felipe]

the rear seats, obviously.

[Doug]

Hey, dude, they did it in the Mr. 2 also.

[Felipe]

Yep. This is so truly. This is so cool. Here's a fun fact. I drove a Corolla S of this gen automatic to your wedding.

[Doug]

Oh, how beautiful.

[Felipe]

Fun fact.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Felipe]

But this is a cool, cool car.

[Doug]

I've always found this car cool. I agree with you. Never see him.

[Kenan]

Oh, this has a reserve. I was gonna say you should bid on it.

[Felipe]

I would except for the fact that it has a reserve.

[Doug]

Yep, that's the one. That's no, but it's so cool. This is well kept. And the El Monte thing is a nice touch. Go bid on this coral XRS.

[Felipe]

It's so nice.

[Doug]

Your Z3M commentaries. I agree with you completely. Pull that.

[Kenan]

I don't understand.

[Felipe]

Understand this.

[Kenan]

So when Porsches come up in unusual colors, they sell for a million.

[Doug]

It's fluffing glory. I've never seen anything like this before.

[Kenan]

Exactly. It comes to market, renless goes absolutely insane and people lose their minds. BMW Z3s. This is not the same. Now this color is evergreen. This is on the Z3M. It was off.

[Doug]

You know this color. It's nuts. There are even nicer colors on the Z3. But this one's out there.

[Kenan]

This one is.

[Doug]

Look at the interior.

[Kenan]

That's the real thing. So it's green on green. Green, which is outrageous. And if there were 964 in this

[Doug]

color combination 2x 2x the value of

[Kenan]

a regular car, easy 993 would absolutely premium.

[Doug]

It had.

[Felipe]

No, that's not true. It had 30 premium over a regular. What do you mean?

[Kenan]

I mean look, this one is red.

[Doug]

That had.

[Felipe]

That has the miles and isn't.

[Doug]

Doesn't have a. What was the mileage on this one? I will also say this one is

[Kenan]

in Maine, which 56,000 miles shown.

[Felipe]

There's a clerical error.

[Kenan]

But you know the 56,000 mil shown. This one had 192.

[Felipe]

These are a lot bible.

[Doug]

Yeah, they are.

[Felipe]

It's like a 18,000 to $21,000 range there nonetheless.

[Doug]

But I completely agree with him. That this does not add. This one.

[Felipe]

Remember the boxster?

[Kenan]

That was 78,000 miles on this. It's about the same.

[Felipe]

Good color. It's a special color. Is a 30% difference.

[Kenan]

Oh, okay, Mr. Percentages. It is a negligible difference.

[Doug]

What did this sell for? How many miles run?

[Kenan]

This one had 78,000 miles.

[Doug]

So 56 and also 17 to 21 is not 30%. It's not even close. What are you talking.

[Felipe]

I was adding a grand on top of rounding.

[Kenan]

Money is nothing to Filipo.

[Doug]

Mileage is. He was wrong about the mileage and the price. He's doing it right.

[Felipe]

It's like 26% of rounds.

[Kenan]

I think my point stands. Like, I mean, we sold another one. I mean this one down.

[Doug]

You're right.

[Felipe]

I don't disagree with that.

[Doug]

17. What's that heinous color?

[Felipe]

You know the one I'm talking about, the tanish.

[Doug]

There was no. It was like pistachio. Was that it? It was absolutely decrepit. We sold one or two in that. Remember that military green or that was on the Z4. Wow.

[Felipe]

That Evergreen one are failed to sell at 23 grand with no miles. All right, maybe there is no premium.

[Kenan]

There's no premium on it.

[Doug]

They don't care. I think they're all color.

[Kenan]

Was hell color.

[Felipe]

They're all colors. You know, all the Z, all the goodies.

[Doug]

Not all. A lot of them are silver. A lot of them are Jesus.

[Kenan]

Or red.

[Felipe]

Red. Remember when we sold that 986 Boxster Pre Boxer Hypo. That was nephrite green and whatever.

[Doug]

Same interior.

[Felipe]

That also didn't have a strong premium. No people for these cars. These are cheap and disposable. Like you want. The one you want. It's going to be a little bit more demand.

[Doug]

We have auction 263 Z3s if you just type in Z3.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Doug]

That Z3s are interesting to me because they were all kept as second cars. So it's very easy to find them with no miles. They very rarely have.

[Kenan]

Actually. This is a great one to buy. The 3 liter also. They don't weigh much at all. So even if you just get the 3 liter. Not the M, which the M54. M54 is a very reliable motor.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Felipe]

Had one.

[Kenan]

This is a really great car.

[Doug]

They are dynamically accurate. Pretty good.

[Kenan]

The difference was yours was in an SUV that it could barely move out

[Doug]

of a little sports. The motor was reliable.

[Felipe]

The motor, after I fixed it, was reliable. Yes.

[Doug]

I think these Z3s are all generally pretty good bargains.

[Felipe]

Yeah.

[Doug]

But it is interesting. Like, they're all. They. They all. Like you said, they're pretty tossable. They're. They're in there. They all have basically low mileage. The three liters came in the late ones. You can get an M. Yeah, they.

[Kenan]

Yeah, and, yeah, you get the S54 if you want to go crazy. I realize they do have the shortcomings. You know, they do have the subframe issue like the M3 did, but all

[Doug]

the C3s have that. Yeah, well, go back. Go back to Z3 in general and go to oldest first. Is that a thing we do?

[Felipe]

We do not do.

[Doug]

End at 98. End at 98.

[Kenan]

Okay. That was like the James.

[Doug]

I only want to look at that James Bond color. You remember what I'm talking about?

[Felipe]

I do.

[Doug]

You know that car was in like one scene in that movie? Yeah. Oh, there it is.

[Kenan]

There it is. That blue 1.9.

[Doug]

1.9. That thing's probably a dog, but it's six grand. I mean, that's pretty good deal.

[Kenan]

It's pretty good to be James Bond.

[Doug]

You could be James Bond for six grand. James Bond car for every dream you've ever had.

[Felipe]

I've never came.

[Doug]

Okay, we gotta move on to questions. The questions were not good this week. Yikes. Folks, give us good questions. Go to carsandbids.com, click on the community tab. There will be a post in podcast questions that says, please give us your questions. If you're listening to this right now and you're thinking, I can do better than these questions, then do. Do better than these questions. Give us the good stuff, people. We like good questions. Not what car should I get? Not if you could import any car.

[Felipe]

If.

[Doug]

Or if you could have any automaker build you anything. Those are too broad, too. Give us the good stuff. That question last week about the Fast and the Furious, what cars would replace the car? It was the best question I've ever had with an Epsom.

[Kenan]

It was a good one.

[Doug]

Dear question from Glen Hameen. Dear Ken and Filippo and Doug, what cars have you had that your partners have hated and did their opinion cause you to eventually get rid of the car? It's only applicable to you because your

[Felipe]

partner has never hated.

[Doug]

My partner doesn't know what cars I have currently, to be honest. Guarantee it.

[Felipe]

My wife didn't love the X5, but I didn't really let her drive it because I was worried it would break down. And to be fair, it did often. This is battery issues and also rust Issues and brake lines. Issues. It was a whole thing.

[Kenan]

You bought a good one.

[Felipe]

She did not.

[Doug]

Typical Felipe.

[Felipe]

She really did not like the NB Miata that we had. She felt it was too small. Small, like just like a little too rickety and small.

[Doug]

What cars does she like? What does she like there?

[Felipe]

She loves the gti, surprisingly loves it. And she's otherwise been fine.

[Doug]

You're gonna get rid of that GTI that she loves. Why not get rid of the station wagon?

[Felipe]

Because it's not. The GTI is not quite big enough. Truly. It's not.

[Doug]

Yeah. So you need some size. You got that pickup truck now. Did you see this last night?

[Kenan]

You don't see the spare wheel, right?

[Felipe]

No.

[Doug]

I'm gonna tell you what's in the back. I'm telling you, it's in the bag. There's two spare wheels and a cinder block and.

[Kenan]

Hell yeah.

[Felipe]

And two floor mats and two rubber floor mats.

[Kenan]

That's exactly what I. I want you

[Felipe]

to know that I spent a long time before it got shipped here clearing

[Doug]

out what should go in the back,

[Kenan]

you know, and wheels. He has two white wheels and two black wheels and they're on opposite corners from one another.

[Doug]

Honestly, it's got to be new wheels. Yeah, right. That's a mistake.

[Felipe]

Like new wheels coming.

[Doug]

The way to do mismatched wheels is put them on the same side and that way no one really realizes there's

[Felipe]

going to be new wheels soon because they're 16 and a half inch wheels and really hard to find tires for,

[Doug]

you know, but you can bolt pattern different, different size. I know he's driving around this dry rotted thing.

[Felipe]

I'm not driving it around.

[Kenan]

You know. Also curious the other day because you're also. Your 911 wheels are bad. They're badly refinished.

[Felipe]

They're slightly off color. Yes.

[Kenan]

Another set. He just buy another set. They're not expensive. It's like fifteen hundred dollars. You can buy another set, just put them on and be done. Instead, you're just gonna mess around and not refinish your finish.

[Doug]

Here's the difference.

[Felipe]

Here's the difference between. Between you guys and I. I drive my car and I don't want to give up driving.

[Kenan]

I drive my car way.

[Felipe]

I don't want to give. Give up driving it.

[Doug]

You were just out of town for

[Kenan]

two weeks and right now you have two weeks.

[Doug]

Oh, yeah. Well, it doesn't count. All right, next question from T. Stefan Kenan. Do you have any answers for this?

[Kenan]

No. Emily drives an M3 CRT. She drives cooler cars on the hot days.

[Doug]

Emily has an M3 CRT.

[Felipe]

Yep.

[Doug]

T Stefan672. Dear Doug, as a lover of E class wagons, would you ever buy the one off E400 4x4 squared if it became available? The amount that I have thought about the. This car.

[Felipe]

Pull it up. Kennen.

[Doug]

Pull up the e class wagon, 4x4 square.

[Felipe]

It's not sold ever.

[Doug]

Now I know what you're thinking, Kenan. You're thinking they didn't make an e class wagon 4x4 squared. Oh, but they did. They did.

[Felipe]

Photos exist.

[Doug]

It was a concept. I think Johnny Lieberman like drove it or something.

[Kenan]

That picture.

[Doug]

I'm dead serious. I'm not. Look at this picture.

[Felipe]

This.

[Doug]

That's the car we have. I'm dead serious. If I can buy buy this car, I would pay deep money for it. I'm not. I'm like real. Hundreds of thousands of dollars to have this car.

[Felipe]

It'd be so cool. It's like a square G wagon without the issues.

[Doug]

It's so cool they made one. I don't know why. I think when the, when this body of E class wagon came out to like add a little height, it's just

[Felipe]

like your all terrain.

[Doug]

I think it's the coolest thing in the world. I think very often about how I want this car car like very often this car. And they never actually brought it to market, which I think was a mistake. I think it was sold.

[Kenan]

You can't reason with the sun. Trust us, we've tried.

[Felipe]

This summer it's time to put that

[Kenan]

angry ball of fire on mute. Columbia's Omnishade technology is engineered to protect you from the sun's harsh rays that

[Felipe]

can burn and damage your skin.

[Kenan]

The sun is relentless. But so is our gear. Level up your sun [e-mail] to spend more time outside and less time slathering on aloe lotion. You're welcome. Columbia. Engineered for whatever.

[Felipe]

Yeah. Imagine engineering necessary to make it.

[Doug]

Well, you made one make 80. Come on.

[Kenan]

I love. They let their engineers do stuff like this though. That's very cool.

[Doug]

You could do this. Yeah. No, I mean I would have a conversation. If there's an off road shop out there that really believes we can get this done.

[Kenan]

Screw that.

[Doug]

I would have a conversation.

[Kenan]

Take it to Phil Chung, have him spend a weekend with.

[Doug]

There's not an off road shop up there.

[Felipe]

Can I make a suggestion? So body on frame vehicles. It's a body on top of a frame. Your sequoia is a body on frame. Vehicle put a different body on it.

[Doug]

I don't think the E400 is a different bot. Is a body on frame vehicle.

[Felipe]

No, no, but I'm saying you don't like the image of the Sequoia, but you like the capability of the Sequoia. Just put a different body on it.

[Kenan]

That is.

[Doug]

That's.

[Felipe]

There are shops that would do it.

[Doug]

There are shops that would do it.

[Felipe]

It.

[Doug]

That's what people did.

[Felipe]

I would have some concerns about crash rigidity.

[Doug]

But it's dual these days. I don't think that with the electronics and. And sizing and such. I don't think that exists as much. Although with those electronic. The electric vehicle, skateboard chassis, it may. I'm telling you, if anyone's listening to this pod from Mercedes Benz, MB usa, MB Global. If you can sell me this car, and I know you can't because I think it's too.

[Kenan]

Why did they do this?

[Doug]

I think it's too new to import thing.

[Kenan]

But this is so much cooler than what they actually built.

[Felipe]

I know, but look at that.

[Doug]

I would. I would use it, I would drive it, I'd put it on Instagram. This is sitting in a garage somewhere in St.

[Kenan]

Exactly. It's in an underground garage. Right.

[Doug]

It's in an underground garage in St. Card. And nobody's thought about it in two and a half years. And I'm sitting here every day wanting it. So like how. How does that work?

[Kenan]

We have to preserve our heritage.

[Felipe]

Do I want a 213 wagon now?

[Doug]

Yeah, you do. They're the best ever made.

[Felipe]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Filippo. Yes, you do. We've talked about this many times.

[Felipe]

I never have until now.

[Doug]

Next question from cheese lover. I'll deal you in on this one. Even though it's for me. Now that Doug has saved Lincoln and Nissan by urging them to make boxy off roaders, it's time to save Maserati. I don't think making the Levante boxer will help. They don't have any off road credentials and pivoting is expensive. Should they put a new ultra exclusive halo car out? If the McPura had a stick, would it sell? Good questions. Here's how you say Maserati number one. You create an off road suv.

[Felipe]

I don't. I agree with them.

[Kenan]

Imagine a Levante like off road. Like it wouldn't be a Levante.

[Doug]

I think any off road SUV done well would sell any from any brand.

[Felipe]

I just don't think they have any. Nobody has interested.

[Kenan]

Exactly.

[Doug]

They need to be in a Maserati and if they could Get a raptor. That was a Maserati. Have you been to Miami? Have you been to Texas?

[Felipe]

This people as the. As the tro ones do.

[Kenan]

I'd be into that too.

[Doug]

You got to do that. So that's what I would do. First and foremost, I'd make it boxy. I wouldn't just lift a levante. I would make a good car. This already, already were impossible for ma.

[Felipe]

I don't know how you make a good looking Maserati styled car. Like the styling languages don't fit.

[Doug]

You go back, you ditch the styling language. It doesn't work. They build trash that no one wants. Start there.

[Kenan]

You go back to the buy turbo for style.

[Felipe]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Or the shamal with the wide fenders. Number two thing you do. And this is what you really do. You have to get enthusiasts back to the brand. The only way to do it is with a real enthusiast car. Yes, you do. A manual transmission, mid engine, good car. Not a depreciation disaster like the mcpa. Not a car that only sells to people in Florida who are not sophisticated car enthusiasts. A real car, manual transmission, real car. You got a manual real car for the car. Enthusiastic. You got a boxy SUV for the like crazy people. Suddenly you're in business. Now you can sell shamols to whoever you want.

[Felipe]

Boom. Can I make a different. Give a different answer.

[Doug]

What's your answer gonna be? Dumb lease specials like they've been doing for the last 10 years.

[Felipe]

Just don't try. It's time to give up.

[Doug]

Fundamentally sad because people watching this podcast today don't realize this, but Maserati used to be a stronger brand than Ferrari. Maserati has more heritage than Ferrari.

[Kenan]

Nobody recognizes in the 1950s until they went under in the 1960s for the first time.

[Felipe]

It's a sign of what? When a company.

[Doug]

My point is that there. There was a time when this brand.

[Kenan]

Yeah, there was a time when the

[Doug]

Maserati's 40s, 50s, they were honestly, they were more legit than Ferrari. Their history goes back longer. They have more race success in that period. Period than Ferrari does.

[Kenan]

But Ferrari did it better.

[Doug]

Yeah, well, that's true in the end. But my point is you don't give up on a storied brand. Yeah, well, that would be like giving up on.

[Kenan]

On Sears or Kmart or Saab. Oh, well.

[Doug]

Or Pier 1 Imports. What you do is you're one. You massage a storied brand.

[Felipe]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

I would like to see Maserati be successful. I don't. Unlike you. I don't know. You just Hate nice things. So, like for you, you just kind of want the brand to disappear. But I agree with you.

[Doug]

You know, I'll see you. You win Le Mans, you know, and

[Kenan]

Ferrari has currently been winning le Mans, so maybe. Well, actually, all those engineers went to the formula one team, which they'll lose the championship this year, I'm sure. But. But I think that you're right.

[Doug]

Ferrari's won the model last two years.

[Felipe]

You know, made it so far into the F1 season without talking about F1.

[Doug]

Yeah, but we've been on.

[Kenan]

We've been on break all month because there's been a month you haven't given

[Doug]

me updates on Cadillac. My, my, my. My team, my guys. America is a Mexican involved. What's the story?

[Kenan]

Great Mexican driver. Well, we've been on break for the last month because there's supposed to be us or because there were two races supposed to be in the Middle east and things aren't so great right there right now. So they decided to cancel the races. We haven't had F1 all April.

[Doug]

You know what doesn't go on break is tennis. Jannik sinners out there playing tennis right now. And what's. What's the Mexican fellow driving my black wing doing?

[Kenan]

I don't know what. I don't know what anybody is doing right now. I don't know what anybody's doing right now, to be honest.

[Doug]

So this is nothing happening.

[Kenan]

Nothing has happened. The first race is this upcoming weekend. Where we're back. Is this Miami this weekend?

[Doug]

Do you think, and this is a real question. Do you think that during the, the break that's happening in the. Because of the Middle east situation, do you think that Cadillac has taken that time to retool and they will now be a competitive.

[Felipe]

They actually came out with a big suv. It's off Roader. They just did it on the Escalade platform. Right.

[Kenan]

They just decided tracks, we don't need no tracks. We're going to go. No, I mean, it's been obvious it's a hard start to the season for Cadillac, not surprisingly, because, you know, they're a new team, they got a. There's a lot to learn. Formula one is not easy easy. And so there hasn't been the smoothest of starts for Cadillac. But, you know, I don't remember where they are. I don't think they've scored any points yet, but I might be wrong on that. But still, it's. I. I'll keep you posted as the season evolves.

[Doug]

Tell me when Cadillac wins her first Race.

[Kenan]

Okay, well, talk to you in a couple years.

[Doug]

It's. It's actually interesting because F1's been taking a break, but I drove here today in my career. GT. Oh, so in a way, somebody's driving an F1 car. That's exactly right. My F1 is not taking a break in San Diego.

[Kenan]

F1 derived engine.

[Doug]

It's an F1 car, and I agree with him.

[Kenan]

The San Diego Auto Museum right now, there's a footwork Formula one car with the Porsche engine. You can go look at a real Formula one Porsche, Formula one engine. And it's not that one.

[Doug]

Last question, because I gotta move on. I gotta go. I have things to do. People. Last question from who the hecked you and several of the pod friends. Your pod friends have kids? Kids. Filippo also is my child. Yep. What vehicles will you encourage your children to get for their first cars when they reach driving age?

[Felipe]

And y.

[Doug]

You know, I got a fellow down my block there. Everybody I can imagine. Everything that exists in my world now is just in my neighborhood. I like, don't. I got a fellow down my block there. He's a fella, and he's got a kid. She just turned 16 there. And you know what he got her is a great idea. Base model ID4.4. It's slow.

[Felipe]

That is not a bad idea.

[Doug]

It's free.

[Felipe]

Yeah.

[Doug]

When he did it, I mean, I think it's. But this was a year ago. It was probably nine bucks a month.

[Felipe]

Unfortunately, she's gonna crash because she's distracted trying to lower the rear windows. Ken, if you don't know, you have first to press a button to make the window switches to the rear. I've heard this. Yeah, I've heard this.

[Doug]

If she crashes, it's good because it's safe. The answer to your question is, I'm gonna get my kids an ID4.

[Felipe]

They'll love it.

[Doug]

I'm gonna say, hey, I know this thing's 20 years old and the range is down to 61 miles.

[Kenan]

Perfect.

[Felipe]

Where was. Like, where were they going?

[Doug]

No, but in reality, ever since that happened and blew my mind, I now think that that's the perfect car. Like the worst electric car you can find.

[Felipe]

They'll all be electric cars, which is

[Doug]

a lot of them.

[Felipe]

Shout out to. To our. One of our. Our co workers, Matt Clark, who heads up our product engineering team. His daughter is 7, 16, 17. She got a. Their old CMAX hybrid.

[Doug]

That's the same thing.

[Kenan]

That's kind of the same thing.

[Felipe]

Same thing. It's fundamentally the same thing.

[Doug]

What would you buy? Get leased.

[Felipe]

I would absolutely not buy.

[Doug]

Okay, what would you lease?

[Felipe]

No, no, I steal.

[Doug]

You wouldn't buy, obviously. How would you procure the car, man? No, I meant like, I wouldn't buy something new.

[Felipe]

But it's because I, I, I don't do that for myself.

[Doug]

But don't you. But like, I agree with that. But this le. What does it cost to Lisa? 94 for the three years that she's goes from driving.

[Felipe]

Three years total. Three grand. Four maybe. Yeah. No, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. I don't know. It depend some like, lightly used, practical automobile. You know what I mean? Even better.

[Doug]

Id 4.

[Felipe]

I don't know. It depends on the child. It really depends on the child.

[Doug]

I'm also only interested in the ID 4. I don't have any interest in the other stuff because the ID4 has been put in my head by this fellow who lives down the street and so smart. Because the other stuff seems too sporty.

[Felipe]

Right.

[Doug]

The ID4 came out and kind of turned its nose.

[Felipe]

Especially the ID4 Pro, which is the base trim is good stuff.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

So you got some sort of thing.

[Felipe]

It depends on the child. Like, what do you have to be worried about with this child?

[Doug]

Say your child is Ken.

[Kenan]

Well, then all you have to worry is I'm going to spend too long listening to Beethoven symphonies before I go to bed.

[Felipe]

You got to get a child like Kenan something that will fuel his passion. Like an E46. If it was up there and now, that would be like a.

[Kenan]

No, that's. And that's exactly what happened.

[Felipe]

No, I know. I. I think that was the right call. Like it fueled your passion, got you into. Would be the equivalent now is what,

[Kenan]

like a 535i6 speed? That would be like the car.

[Doug]

That would be the 54.

[Kenan]

I'm gonna give him get an M5. Screw it. Like, that's what Ryan did.

[Felipe]

I'm so sorry. Don't do that. No, no.

[Doug]

Don't get an N54 for anybody you love.

[Felipe]

M as in Mark. Yes.

[Doug]

Yeah, but the N54 is the one in the 535, isn't it?

[Kenan]

That's the N55.

[Doug]

I think they're both bad. Remember that video?

[Kenan]

You know what? But you need unreliability

[Doug]

of that E82.1 series. And the guy, it breaks down and the guy's like crashing out on the

[Felipe]

side of the highway in Tech, Texas. No.

[Doug]

Oh, it's unreal. It's like an E82 that is breaking down or has just broken down, and the dude is out, like, screaming and kicking the car, and it's like, yep, okay. That's the interesting.

[Kenan]

It's an interesting point. I will say. Like, my first car was a 2001 E39 525i5 speed, which was the. The thing about that car. Like, it was a nice car. And my friend Ryan's first car was an E39.

[Doug]

What year were you born?

[Kenan]

I was born in 1995.

[Doug]

So the car was five, six years old when you got. When the car. You were so sick.

[Kenan]

So the question is, I was six when the car came out. So if the person.

[Doug]

If you had a child today, you'd be 2020. Like, 20, 2020.

[Kenan]

It's 2026 now. So you'd be.

[Doug]

It would be.

[Kenan]

The car would have been

[Felipe]

you.

[Doug]

It would be, like, six years from now, 2031. I wonder if anything like an E39 will even exist.

[Felipe]

Seems like a good choice too.

[Doug]

No. At least too small.

[Kenan]

But my. My point with this was we were all actually ended up. You know, a lot of people are like, oh, you don't want to get your kids a nice car and stuff. We, because of who we were as people, we were so careful with the cars. And actually, Ryan built a whole business out of it. And I'm here in part because my empire broke down.

[Doug]

That's a good. That's a good point.

[Felipe]

It depends on the child.

[Doug]

It depends on Nancy had instead gotten for you an ID4, he would have

[Felipe]

rebelled and started to do drugs.

[Doug]

Drugs. Folks, I take back my advice in the ID4. I'm gonna go march down the street and tell my neighbor the real he needs to buy his daughter an E39.

[Kenan]

An E39 M5. It's the answer for everyone.

[Doug]

Bicycles exist.

[Kenan]

Bicycles exist. Yep. It'll be popular in high school.

[Doug]

Thank you so much, Filippo. That's lovely.

[Felipe]

And buses. Public transit. Very pro public transit.

[Doug]

Filippo, can I tell you something very.

[Kenan]

If you live in rural Texas, you.

[Doug]

We don't. I'm not trying to be a jerk.

[Kenan]

People.

[Doug]

Do you live in sunny San Diego, in the city, urban life. Warm. I live in Anchorage. And not even Anchorage. I live in Peninsula. Okay.

[Felipe]

Oh, wow.

[Doug]

I can't take a bicycle.

[Felipe]

You hanging up the pale.

[Doug]

I don't know what that is. Oh, those people.

[Felipe]

She was a part of that server lived in. Right?

[Doug]

Well, I don't know. I just go on Zillow there. This was our best podcast of all time. Buy your kids an ID 4. You got any parting advice?

[Felipe]

Don't do that.

[Doug]

Go to cars and bids.

[Felipe]

Yeah. Go to carsandbits.com, check out our event. Come submit your car for the Tyrack event and also get tickets for the Velocity Invitational event.

[Kenan]

There's an app. There's a version for Android coming. It'll be here at the same time. Fleepa will sell the gti. So we're still waiting on

[Doug]

Android app.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Goodbye, everyone.

[Kenan]

Goodbye.