Auto Manufacturers React to Tariffs! New Porsche 911 Prices are INSANE! Every BMW M3 Ranked.

Summary

Podcast Title: THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends!

Episode: Auto Manufacturers React to Tariffs! New Porsche 911 Prices are INSANE! Every BMW M3 Ranked

Release Date: April 4, 2025

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Introduction

In this dynamic episode of "THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends!", host Doug DeMuro along with co-hosts Nolan Sykes, Joe Weber, and Filippo dive deep into some of the most pressing issues in the automotive world. From the impact of new tariffs on car prices to the soaring costs of Porsche’s latest 911 models, and an extensive ranking of every BMW M3 generation, this episode is packed with expert insights and spirited discussions.

Auto Manufacturers React to Tariffs

The episode begins with a heated discussion on the recent imposition of 25% tariffs on all imported cars and significant car parts. Nolan Sykes expresses skepticism about the administration's handling of the situation, stating,

"Trump's like, 'We're getting screwed by these other countries now. We're going to charge them money and we're going to make more.' No, we're going to pay more. [...] It's insane."
[02:39]

Joe Weber adds to the critique by highlighting the government's role in benefiting from these tariffs rather than the consumers:

"It would be beneficial if that money then went back into government programs which are being cut by Doge."
[02:25]

Filippo discusses the complexities manufacturers face in adjusting their supply chains and pricing strategies:

"Car parts are included in tariffs to some extent. Unclear where that delineation starts and ends."
[03:01]

The hosts debate the broader economic implications, emphasizing that while the government stands to gain, the average consumer is burdened with higher prices. Nolan likens the tariffs to a hidden tax increase:

"And the government's going to make more money. That's called a tax hike."
[08:32]

New Porsche 911 Prices are INSANE!

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the alarming price hikes of Porsche’s new 911 models. Nolan Sykes reveals the steep increase:

"The new Carrera starts at 130,000 United States dollars. 130,000 base."
[21:25]

Filippo points out the lack of transparency regarding whether these prices include anticipated tariff increases:

"Porsche has not commented on whether that includes forecasted Tariff increases."
[21:25]

The discussion highlights how these price surges affect consumer perception and market competitiveness. Nolan underscores the impact of inflation combined with the tariff:

"I guarantee you there's no, they did an eight grand price increase. Inflation was not. I was like 10%. That included zero for you."
[23:21]

Joe Weber contrasts the new Carrera S with other high-performance models, noting the aggressive pricing strategy:

"The Carrera S is 150A GTS. I had that GTS press car a couple weeks ago. 205."
[22:45]

Every BMW M3 Ranked

Transitioning to BMW, the hosts engage in a spirited debate ranking every BMW M3 generation from worst to best. Nolan Sykes initiates the ranking with strong opinions:

"The E46 M3 is still, in my opinion, one of the great German cars of all time."
[73:45]

Joe Weber concurs, praising the E46 for its balance and performance:

"I think the E46 M3 is the best."
[73:45]

Filippo and Nolan further discuss the nuances of each model, considering factors like engine performance, design aesthetics, and practicality. They acknowledge the innovations in newer models like the G80 but express nostalgic admiration for older generations such as the E30 and E46.

"I promise you, come back to this pod in 20 years, we'll both have them long gone. [...] We will look back on this and say the cars are all old now, but at least the G80 is the newest, the fastest that ever got what BMW did so well."
[80:15]

Q1 Car Sales Report

Filippo presents an overview of Q1 car sales, highlighting Subaru's remarkable achievement of 32 consecutive months of growth:

"Subaru had their 32nd in a row month of month over month growth and is their best month ever. Yeah, that's not a made up fact."
[17:31]

Kia and Hyundai also celebrate record sales, particularly in the electric vehicle (EV) sector, while Tesla faces a downturn:

"Kia and Hyundai have record EV sales. Tesla is going down."
[18:00]

Nolan Sykes speculates on the decline of Tesla, attributing it to shifting consumer preferences rather than a lack of interest in EVs:

"People are looking for alternatives. It's not that they're not looking for EVs necessarily."
[18:14]

Aston Martin's Financial Struggles

The conversation shifts to Aston Martin, revealing the company's ongoing financial difficulties and its seventh equity raise since 2020. Joe Weber notes:

"Aston Martin is suffering financially."
[10:31]

Lawrence Stroll’s increased investment, including the acquisition of a Formula One team, is discussed as a potential lifeline for the brand:

"He's a billionaire. He's putting his own money into this brand."
[12:06]

Despite these efforts, the hosts remain skeptical about Aston Martin’s ability to overcome its financial woes without substantial changes to its business strategy.

Other Car Stories

• Honda's Creative Marketing: The hosts critique Honda’s unconventional approach of dangling Passports from a crane to showcase the SUV’s off-road capabilities.

  "Honda is desperately trying [...] to convince people that the passport is an off road SUV."
  [28:43]

• Bugatti Chiron Enforcement in Vienna: A visually striking story involves a Bugatti Chiron being towed in Vienna for speeding, highlighting the city’s strict enforcement of speed limits.

  "This is a Bugatti Chiron that is being seized now, evidently this was in Austria on the Ringstrasse."
  [29:58]

Listener Questions

The hosts tackle several listener-submitted questions, providing expert opinions and engaging in thoughtful debates:

1. Top Five Cars Not Subject to Tariffs:

   • The group finds it challenging to pinpoint specific models due to the global nature of auto manufacturing but suggests that cars built primarily in the U.S. like the Toyota Corolla might be less affected.

     "The vast majority of Teslas will be the car."
     [62:17]

2. Cars Sharing Platforms—Success vs. Flop:

   • They discuss examples such as the Buick Rendezvous versus Pontiac Aztec, highlighting how even on a shared platform, one model can thrive while another flounders.

3. "Halo Car" Failures:

   • The discussion centers around how certain high-profile models can damage a brand’s reputation if they fail to meet expectations, with Maserati’s Ghibli cited as an example.

     "The Ghibli really ushered in the beginning of a bad era for Maserati."
     [67:04]

4. Ranking Every BMW M3:

   • Returning to the BMW M3 ranking, the hosts solidify their placements, with the E46 M3 frequently praised for its iconic status and performance.

     "The best one is the E46 M3."
     [73:45]

Conclusion

Wrapping up the episode, the hosts reflect on the interconnectedness of automotive trends, manufacturing policies, and consumer behavior. They emphasize the importance of staying informed and adapting to industry changes, ensuring that enthusiasts remain engaged and knowledgeable about the evolving car landscape.

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Transcript

[James Pumphrey]

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[Nolan Sykes]

Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[Joe Weber]

I'm Kenan.

[Filippo]

I'm Filippo.

[Nolan Sykes]

And let's start with the news. And we begin once again with tariffs and this rather confusing graphic. I want to talk a little bit, just a little bit about tariffs. Last week we covered the main thrust of the news story, 25% tariffs on all imported cars and some large car parts. Yeah, couple of developments have happened. I don't want to rehash that whole thing, but a couple of developments have happened. One is that when asked about car prices rising this week, the President said that he couldn't care less.

[Joe Weber]

Yep, that sounds great.

[Nolan Sykes]

So that's interesting. I mean, this is a storied American industry that employs hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people between dealerships and production and the corporate offices and somewhere in the supply chain, totally logistics. So he couldn't care less, which I thought was interesting. One other thing that I've been thinking a lot about with tariffs that I wanted to voice, Trump has said that we're getting screwed and that we're going to make all the money. You know who's going to make the money? The government. It's not us. Who's we? We. We got it.

[Filippo]

Got it.

[Nolan Sykes]

You know, you understand what I'm saying? This is really starting to hit me lately, like, like Trump's, oh, we're getting screwed by these other countries now. We're going to charge them money and we're going to make more. No, we're not. We're gonna pay more. Of course the government is gonna make more.

[Joe Weber]

It would be beneficial if that money then went back into government programs which are being cut by Doge. So it's not real or just into our hands.

[Filippo]

Is also counting on tariffs to offset a lot of tax cuts, that there's a renewal Also in Congress.

[Nolan Sykes]

Show me the tax cuts.

[Filippo]

Right, but a lot of their math around tax cuts does include a lot of revenues from tariffs, offsetting losses when tax.

[Nolan Sykes]

Okay, but my point here is the tariffs are being pitched as a way for us to make money. I think that us in this case is the government. It will actually cost us money. And in my remembrance, when the liberals raise taxes, they call that a tax hike and things cost. And then. And then we lose some of our money. They call it a tax hike. How is this not also a tax hike?

[Filippo]

No, no, it.

[Nolan Sykes]

Okay.

[Filippo]

There's a couple of things that are also worth saying about tariffs that came out after we recorded last week. So car parts being one of them. Car parts are included in tariffs to some extent. Unclear where that delineation starts and ends. And in theory, components that are made in the US but then used in final production, that happens outside of the U.S. the value of those components will be factored in to offset the tariff cost.

[Joe Weber]

Good.

[Filippo]

You're kidding. In theory. Let's say you ship something, you produce half the value of a car in the U.S. yeah. You're only paying tariffs on half.

[Nolan Sykes]

They will figure it out. The carmakers are required to issue statements about precisely what percentage of parts comes from various countries and regions. So it's actually doable. So then the car is only partially tariff.

[Filippo]

But like, how much part of the value? Just because the component, like when does the final installation add value? Does it not. If you look through enough government website pages where there is some guidance, it becomes very clear that nobody knows quite yet. The government has basically said we're going to figure that out for. Right. We will backdate savings, I guess, once we figure it out from when tariffs go.

[Nolan Sykes]

I mean, it's just totally insane. But I do think that something that is being not really considered here is that Trump's like, oh, we're going to win. And the very few Americans support the tariffs. It is a vast minority, a vastly small minority. But the part who do seem to believe this, we're going to win. And the more I think about it, the more I realize the we who's going to win is the government. We are going to lose. And in fact, as I've even thought about it more, the, the COVID markups, the adjusted dealer markup is back, but this time the, the. The moneymaker is the government. Yeah, the government is issuing markups.

[Filippo]

It's been interesting to see how different manufacturers are planning on rolling these out. For example, Volkswagen said today that they're going to keep Prices the same for the first two weeks of April. And then in the middle of April they're going to announce to dealerships how prices will increase. But on window stickers it will read manufacturer suggested resale price and then like import fee to delineate where that cost is.

[Nolan Sykes]

On that subject, our next news story for the day is this exact subject, which is Ferrari, who also made an announcement. Ferrari announced that they are going to just increase prices on their desirable cars, which is the F80 and the 12 cylindri.

[Filippo]

Desirable cars.

[Nolan Sykes]

Those are the desirable Ferraris. The F80 is desirable.

[Filippo]

The F80 is desirable.

[Nolan Sykes]

And hypercar prices have always kind of fluctuated in the Purosangue. They're going to, they're going to increase prices.

[Filippo]

I'm glad they've admitted publicly that some of their models are a little bit less.

[Nolan Sykes]

And Roma and SF90, they are not going to be increasing prices.

[Joe Weber]

They said.

[Nolan Sykes]

I didn't, I didn't read about 200. Yes, I assume it's included in the price.

[Joe Weber]

296. SF90 and Roma are not going.

[Nolan Sykes]

Oh, 2, 9, 6. Won't change how it's more competitive. That segment's more competitive.

[Joe Weber]

It is. And they also said they're going to cap the increases at 10%.

[Nolan Sykes]

10%.

[Joe Weber]

Beyond that, however, you're talking about lot.

[Nolan Sykes]

Of on a 12 cylinder, that's got to be $40,000.

[Joe Weber]

Exactly.

[Nolan Sykes]

12%.

[Joe Weber]

40, I mean, or 50. Yes.

[Nolan Sykes]

Again, the federal government is doing ADMs. Everybody who complained about markups, if you're supporting this, the federal government is doing markups. And again, that money is not going to us, it is going to him and the government. It is insane. So. But regardless, that's what fries. You know, Mercedes announced. Mercedes Benz announced that they are thinking of simply not importing that they are low end cars because their margin on the low end, low end cars must be pretty small.

[Filippo]

Yeah, you do have a G63 behind you. You got to imagine that that car has significant margins. Maybe not 25% margins, but if they can increase the price 5%, 10%, eat the rest.

[Nolan Sykes]

They can for a year, six months or whatever.

[Filippo]

On a GLA. Good luck. Which is what they've said, to be clear.

[Nolan Sykes]

And GLA is built in. Is that built in Germany? Yeah, C class, I think.

[Filippo]

Also CLA only. Only the SUVs that are bigger than the GLA are built here.

[Nolan Sykes]

They don't build in Mexico, so. So Mercedes Benz might just not be sending us the low end cars for a couple model years. Well, they have decided nobody has made full decisions. Even this decision from Volkswagen is a, is a temporary stopgap. The BMW price protection for a month is a temporary stopgap because the automakers aren't really sure how long this is going to last.

[Filippo]

They not very long. And they also are trying to build in to build. I think Mercedes Benz especially is trying to build as much inventory as they can. Their ports and pretty much any land they own is, I think, full of cars. That's because they can get those imported before April 3rd.

[Nolan Sykes]

But it's hard. I mean these were announced two weeks ago. Having worked in this industry and worked with the logistics people, you can't get these cars on boats that quickly. Like the tariffs were announced, then they go into effect. They're trying to get all the cars port processed right away, I'm sure. But that doesn't. After that the cars are on boats. You can't speed up the boats. It's game over. That's it.

[Filippo]

Yep. And also to be clear, can't speed up the boat. You can try a lot of guidance still pending around how this will work, how calculations will work, but where parts are produced, etc. Also, it's still unclear if this 25% is on top of the chicken tax for vans and trucks. We think it is, but it has not been clarified yet. So like if you're Ineos and you already have $100,000 pickup in the Quartermaster, is that 125,000?

[Nolan Sykes]

I'll tell you that that is, I bet the only vehicle that is chicken text.

[Filippo]

There's a few others that are subject to that, I think.

[Nolan Sykes]

But yeah, I don't think so.

[Filippo]

Nobody else imports.

[Nolan Sykes]

I don't think so. Trucks and vans? I don't think so. I don't think there are any other trucks and vans that are not built here in North America, although they are built in Mexico and Canada. But those are. Those were never subjects, only applied outside. Okay.

[Filippo]

Regardless, a lot of guidance still to come.

[Nolan Sykes]

A lot of guidance still to come. Insane situation. And the government is we're going to be spending more, everything's going to cost more and the government's going to make more money. That's called a tax hike.

[Filippo]

It's fair framing. By the way, the one thing that came out last week after we recorded is that the Trump administration also floated a tax credit for auto loans. So the interest would be tax deductible, as it is for mortgages generally.

[Nolan Sykes]

Give me a break.

[Filippo]

But like, who does that help? Not really. People buying well.

[Nolan Sykes]

And also it's a Small amount. What is. Okay, say you have. You have one of those trucks that everybody complains about on Instagram. That is a 1300 monthly payment. What is your. You can only deduct the interest. So what is the interest payment?

[Filippo]

You can only not.

[Nolan Sykes]

That's 150 bucks, and you've got 200.

[Filippo]

So, like a couple. A couple grand a year? Yeah.

[Nolan Sykes]

Okay. A couple grand a year in total. Then you deduct it. So it saves you.

[Filippo]

And only.

[Nolan Sykes]

Even if you're at the highest tax bracket, saved $1,000 a year.

[Filippo]

And not if you take the standard deduction.

[Nolan Sykes]

I promise you $1,000 a year. That truck's going to cost more than $1,000 a year just based on these tariffs. I also just have this deep theory and feeling. Here's Doug on a soapbox. The tariffs are un American. At the end of the day. This country was founded by founders who created an amazing thing that has been incredibly successful for 250 years and across a vast swath of the world. And this country has always been something that other countries look up to when thinking about constitutions and freedom and the way capitalism can work with a society. And that's because we weren't protectionist. This country went out and competed against the best, and we won every single year. America succeeds. All of the products that we make, all of the things that we do win against foreign countries. And we didn't need protectionism to do that. And I think it's just not American to. We're going to protect our industries and hope they work well. Look at the countries that tariff. It ain't the countries you want to be. Okay. Anyway.

[Filippo]

And on that note, no disagreement.

[Joe Weber]

I'm not wrong.

[Nolan Sykes]

Not wrong. Let's move on to Aston Martin.

[Joe Weber]

Yes. So Aston Martin has announced that they are going to do another equity raise. This would be the seventh they have done since 2020.

[Nolan Sykes]

Wow.

[Joe Weber]

Now, we have said previously that Aston Martin is suffering financially. Well, nothing's changed. But it also seems that they are anticipating having a lot of financial troubles going into this tariff session. About one third of the cars they produce come to the United States.

[Nolan Sykes]

We're a huge third of Aston.

[Joe Weber]

Yes. We're a huge market for them.

[Nolan Sykes]

And we already know those cars get heavily discounted and incentivized.

[Joe Weber]

They have problems.

[Nolan Sykes]

It's not like Ferrari.

[Joe Weber]

It's not like Ferrari, though. They really want to be, and maybe they will be someday if they build really cool stuff, but they aren't. Right now.

[Nolan Sykes]

He believes in as he does car enthusiasts who are Racing like in theory it should be everything we love and.

[Joe Weber]

Yet I want to, I just give them, I want to give them the benefit of the doubt. They have to deliver on it but I want to give it to them because they have a 12 cylinder car going to Le Mans this year. How cool is that?

[Nolan Sykes]

He slipped it in two weeks in a row.

[Joe Weber]

That's right, that's right. That's what happens when he deprived me of a news story. I'm going to keep wait till we get to LeMans. I'm going to watch the whole thing and anyway on the pond it's just.

[Filippo]

Going to be a life 24 hours.

[Joe Weber]

But yes, they've had issues going to China too. They did a 5% cut in their workforce as a result of sales relating to China specifically. So there's a lot going on. But Lawrence Stroll who is the chairman has decided that he's going to invest more of his money. He's put $600 million in the company already. He's bought. Now he's going to buy some more of the Formula One team for $52.5 million. So he's like.

[Nolan Sykes]

So Stroll himself is putting money in.

[Joe Weber]

He's a billionaire. He's putting his own money into this brand. Now part of that is I think so his son can have a seat in a Formula one car. What everybody believes. But he bought the entire.

[Nolan Sykes]

Is the sun good?

[Joe Weber]

Oh, the worst. They're not the worst but he's pretty bad. And it's universally agreed upon that Landstro is not that great and brawny but Fernando Alonso is quite good. But like and next year they're going to be formidable. You know the formula. We could talk forever about racing.

[Nolan Sykes]

Are they going to take the Valkyrie into Formula one?

[Filippo]

Oh, what an idea.

[Joe Weber]

Not how it works.

[Nolan Sykes]

Should be back in the day Formula one car. You drive it to the track, you win, you drive it home. Back in the day.

[Joe Weber]

But no. Lance Charles is largely known for crashing into things. Yeah but any but it is once right. So it seems this announcements they're framing it as we need to prepare for tariffs and stuff like that. I think Lawrence Earles wanted more control over the Formula one team so he put more money into it.

[Filippo]

But.

[Nolan Sykes]

So they're doing another capital raise. The seventh capital race since 20th. This is serious.

[Filippo]

Is this even used anymore?

[Nolan Sykes]

I mean like G. No, it's Aston is.

[Filippo]

I'm sure they call it a seed continuation to be fair.

[Nolan Sykes]

But it's not entirely news in the sense that we know Aston's in trouble. They've always been in trouble. They're still in trouble. And it's a shame because I think, I think if I think about what their long range plan could be, it seems like it could be cool.

[Joe Weber]

Well, they've got. They have. Yeah, exactly. They have the foundation of what could become like it's kind of what Ferrari did. They did really cool stuff on the racetrack. That's what road car.

[Nolan Sykes]

You know what a problem is. Front engine. Give me a mid engine car that competes with 296 and give me something that competes with 911.

[Filippo]

296 is a car that's doing great.

[Nolan Sykes]

Well, honestly, 296 is doing well. It's sold out for years. 911 and 911 turbo do well. They're sold out for years. Compete there. Do not give us front engine cars anymore, please.

[Joe Weber]

I take the R8 approach of giving us something that is mid engined, cool, exciting and a true alternative to the existing cars. Boom.

[Nolan Sykes]

And price it at 143.

[Joe Weber]

Yep.

[Nolan Sykes]

I'm serious.

[Joe Weber]

Yeah.

[Nolan Sykes]

You give us a stick V8 that looks cool at 143 you win. The R8 was 109 when it came out and it changed Audi forever.

[Joe Weber]

Exactly. And I'm not saying, and I'm not saying Aston Martin is exactly has the same formula and that you're not selling Q3s but like they. I think that's a viable route for them and they should really consider spending.

[Nolan Sykes]

The problem is they don't want to spend the money to develop a mid engine car. But one of the things that I've realized, it's Nissan's problem too. You either spend the money and win or don't spend the money and lose. You may spend the money and lose, but if you don't spend the money, you're not going to win. Like Nissan is not going to become successful by building the same trash they have built. And I just. Aston doesn't build trash but like give us a mid engine sports car.

[Joe Weber]

I totally agree with that. I love the front end V12 stuff. I'm not saying you can't build that stuff too. Give us something we know with Ferrari.

[Nolan Sykes]

The front engine B12s are not as successful.

[Joe Weber]

Yes, they are tremendously more expensive and they sell to a much more niche group of clients. If you want to sell to the masses who want mid engine sports cars, which is clear by I mean Porsche is not mid engine but from all the other success that McLaren.

[Nolan Sykes]

But it is a true sports car. And I think, I think Aston sits here and they sees that they see this and they say no, we're Aston, we don't build. It's too sporty for us.

[Joe Weber]

It's that stubborn British stiff upper lip. Like that's great. You want to make money or not you want to make money? It's pretty simple. You want Lawrence do keep pumping money while he was putting money.

[Nolan Sykes]

Do it G way and you're game over. Instead of a DBX which is a boring non appealing, do that and do a G Wagon and you're game equivalent.

[Joe Weber]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nolan Sykes]

You will sell that the hell out of that in the Middle East. You will sell the hell out of that in here in the us. Retool that factory where they're building the DBX for a G Wagon. An Aston G Wagon. Of course then Mercedes will probably stop selling them engines.

[Joe Weber]

That's probably true.

[Filippo]

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[Nolan Sykes]

Okay, next news story.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Oh, new cars, my favorite. In Massachusetts, no less. Q1 is over. We're in April now. That means like Q1 sales numbers are coming in for different manufacturers looking at sales numbers. I do love it so much. Long story short, March, exceptional month for almost everybody, especially the last two weeks. Every everybody in response to the tariffs has gone out and bought a car knowing that cars be more expensive.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Subaru had their 32nd in a row month of month over month growth and is their best month ever. Yeah, that's not a made up fact. That is a true statement.

[Nolan Sykes]

32 months in a row, three years of growth. Yep.

[Filippo]

Just about. Wow. Kia and Hyundai combined had record sales in March and in Q1, but there are a couple exceptions. You want to guess what they are? There's two big brands.

[Nolan Sykes]

I'm looking at it here, but I would have guessed anyway. Tesla is undoubtedly an exception. I've already read all the news.

[Filippo]

Was down 13% globally, 5.8%, 13% global.

[Nolan Sykes]

That's Q1 this year versus Q1 last year. So the question is, to what extent do we think that it's EVs? To what extent do we think that it's 5.6% down in the US? Do we think that it's people who don't want to associate with Elon?

[Filippo]

It's certainly the latter. It was down 5.3% in the US so less impacted here than in Europe certainly.

[Nolan Sykes]

Right.

[Filippo]

Which is very long tied.

[Nolan Sykes]

Which has been a big market for.

[Filippo]

Tesla and other manufacturers, including Kia. Hyundai had record EV sales.

[Nolan Sykes]

Interesting one. So Kia and Hyundai have record EV sales. Tesla is going down. People are looking for alternatives. It's not that they're not looking for EVs necessarily. I also saw that GM had a really strong EV quarter. Correct. They're not looking necessarily not looking for EVs, they're not looking for Elon.

[Filippo]

I will say Q1 had some EV incentives in the US that ended in Q1, so that probably brought forward some demand.

[Nolan Sykes]

But nevertheless, numbers are numbers.

[Filippo]

Intellantis down 12% in the quarter. Quarter over quarter. 10th Jeep down 10%. So there are some manufacturers that are still struggling. That's the seventh quarterly decline in a row for Stellantis. So struggling. But the end of March is really telling just how many cars were sold in the last two weeks prior to tariffs being launched. And it brought everybody up pretty notably. There are a few manufacturers that had flat quarters. Toyota was flat on the quarter. But incredible marches. I think they're all prepared for Q2, especially to be a rough quarter.

[Nolan Sykes]

You buy a Sequoia, you don't have to worry about tariffs.

[Filippo]

Right. Unless parts are imported from elsewhere, which may be the case.

[Nolan Sykes]

You know it was interesting. I was looking at my Sequoia window sticker and it doesn't say what percentage of the parts come from the US and what percentage come from other countries. A lot of window stickers do say that, but the two cars that I own that were built in the U.S. do not say that. Maybe they don't need to if they're. I wonder if they don't have. But that's annoying. I want to know what percentage is. Or maybe it's all in the U.S. i don't know. Possibly it should still say courier GT 0%. Yeah.

[Joe Weber]

Is that true?

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah.

[Joe Weber]

Mine 5 is 97% German and 3% American.

[Nolan Sykes]

Well, it's 97% something. Yeah, but 3% American.

[Joe Weber]

Yeah, I think that's.

[Nolan Sykes]

It could be 97% German, but the courier GT is like 20% Italian because the. The carbon tubs are all built in Italy.

[Filippo]

Oh, what about a fact?

[Nolan Sykes]

So in other words, the automaker sales were strong in March. We'll see how they are in Q2, I suspect.

[Filippo]

I imagine every manufacturer is planning for a really tough April and a probably pretty tough Q2.

[Nolan Sykes]

I bet April's not going to be as bad because I bet the majority of cars that are on the dealer lots in April are not tariff because.

[Filippo]

They were accept that consumers being worried and dealerships seizing on it by marketing.

[Nolan Sykes]

But I bet dealerships will seize on even that and say, hey, this one's not tariff.

[Filippo]

That's true.

[Nolan Sykes]

That'll be interesting.

[Joe Weber]

That's true. If they shift. Yeah. If they shift their focus to marketing. That these are tariffs. That's an interesting.

[Filippo]

They'll keep.

[Nolan Sykes]

That'll be interesting. Some cars on the lot will have tariffs on them, some cars won't.

[Joe Weber]

Man, that'll be a line. Be a dividing line.

[Filippo]

It really will.

[Nolan Sykes]

The992, they just announced the Carrera S. Yes.

[Joe Weber]

This is the dot 2 Carrera S. This is their revision which you know, looks very similar to the one that came before, but there are some important talks.

[Nolan Sykes]

So you think they took this picture up the street, the road to Del Mar?

[Joe Weber]

Well, no, that's definitely not this. Our producer thinks that. But he's wrong.

[Nolan Sykes]

He's got a bit wrong.

[Joe Weber]

But they did take a lot of press pictures of this car and it appears to be in San Diego.

[Filippo]

Some of them are driving the wrong side of the road.

[Nolan Sykes]

But yeah, regardless.

[Joe Weber]

Regardless.

[Nolan Sykes]

Pricing was announced. Yeah, yikes on a stick. Now, the pricing was announced before the tariff 2026.

[Filippo]

It is not. Porsche has not commented on whether that includes forecasted Tariff increases, I will say.

[Nolan Sykes]

Which is crazy because we're at tariff. Tariff day. Porsche's got to say something at some point here. I'd wait to Regardless, Porsche. Of all the automakers and the tariffs, I wouldn't be surprised if Porsche is the most impacted because they probably have the highest percentage of volume that comes from. I mean, Ferrari is also 100% of volume, but their volume's not as high. Yeah, Porsche is. It makes 40, probably 40, 45,000 sales a year in the United States. And 100% of it is built outside.

[Filippo]

The US and in competitive segments. The Macan, the Kayak are competitive to other vehicles.

[Nolan Sykes]

They're price shopped. That's exactly right. And I'll tell you this. With new CARRERA pricing, the 911 is going to be price shopped too. The new Carrera starts at 130,000 United States dollars. 130,000 base.

[Joe Weber]

Carrera.

[Nolan Sykes]

Carrera. Are you aware that a new Z06.

[Filippo]

It'S the same price.

[Nolan Sykes]

What does a new Z06 cost at?

[Filippo]

$129.

[Nolan Sykes]

Is that true?

[Filippo]

It's so close to the same price.

[Nolan Sykes]

No, new Z06 starts at 114.

[Filippo]

What?

[Nolan Sykes]

So. And you wouldn't get a base model, but you wouldn't get a base911 either. They added something as previously optional as standard. But we're talking 134A Bas Carrera.

[Filippo]

It's 8 grand more than it was in 2020 than it is this year.

[Nolan Sykes]

The base career is 8 grand more. That is true. A Carrera S is 150A GTS. I had that GTS press car a couple weeks ago. 205.

[Joe Weber]

205 for a GTS man. I could think of 205, man.

[Filippo]

It makes the GT3 look like a great deal.

[Nolan Sykes]

You can get a Murcielago. You can get a Lamborghini Murcielago. Go to the Murcielago dealer.

[Filippo]

GT3s start at 224.

[Nolan Sykes]

By the way, GT3s start at 224.

[Filippo]

Which feels like a deal if a GTS with some options is the same price.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah.

[Joe Weber]

Now getting a GT3 is not an easiest thing. And getting one with no options.

[Nolan Sykes]

997 GT3 was a 119 car. I'm trying to look 109 car.

[Joe Weber]

Oh, you're trying to do the adjusted for inflation.

[Nolan Sykes]

No, I'm just trying to look at the window stick. I guarantee you adjust for inflation. This doesn't come out in Porsche's favor. I guarantee you there's no they did an eight grand price increase. Inflation was not. I was like 10%. That included zero for you.

[Filippo]

They also included the leather package as standard. That was 2800.

[Joe Weber]

There are a couple things.

[Filippo]

They're still five grand.

[Joe Weber]

The brakes from the GTS are standard. Now on this car are a bunch of other things. Active sports.

[Nolan Sykes]

A 997 GT3. A 997 GT3 in 2007. 17 years ago.

[Joe Weber]

Long time. Yeah.

[Nolan Sykes]

106, 106.

[Filippo]

$106,000 in 07 money.

[Nolan Sykes]

That's 160. And the car now costs 225. Think about that.

[Filippo]

I mean there's the fact that a base starts at 130.

[Nolan Sykes]

I will say Porsche obviously is doing. Look, we're talking G Wagon day. Porsche is doing this for the same reason they keep raising G Wagon prices. Do you know a new G63 now costs the same as a G550 did when this model came out? The new G6. The new G63 now costs the same or the, the new G550 now costs as the G63 did just five years ago? What?

[Filippo]

But I don't know how much.

[Nolan Sykes]

150 base. But the reason is they sell them.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nolan Sykes]

Porsche's sitting here going, we're selling them.

[Joe Weber]

Let's just keep raising it until they start not to sell. Which, let's face it, just doesn't seem like it's going to sell.

[Filippo]

But if it's 25% on top of.

[Nolan Sykes]

That, well, that would be hard. Porsche is also in a situation though where this car is becoming more and more desired, more and more vaunted. Ferrari is only getting more expensive. There was a time in the 70s and 80s when a 911 and a 308 were comparable cars. And then it became, oh, a 911 Turbo is comparable to the Ferrari lineup now. Even kind of, Ferrari's even gone beyond those. But these cars are just really special. The thing that I find odd though is Porsche doesn't have an entry car to really capitalize on this. There's, you're saying Cayman Boxster, but they're about to go electric and they're not. Where is a 78 to $112,000 a.

[Filippo]

Five year old model?

[Joe Weber]

You'll find it at the CPO lot.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah, I guess. But interesting.

[Filippo]

It both feels like so much money. 130 feels like a ton of money for a base 911 with 360ish horsepower. I don't remember something in that realm. Yeah, that's a lot of money for Not a ton of power, but people buy them.

[Joe Weber]

Well, the career, this. Now the dot 2 Carrera S now makes 470.

[Filippo]

Yeah, but what about a base? Yeah, nobody knows.

[Nolan Sykes]

450 in that Carrera S is a pretty strong number. Base is 388Carrera's 470. 4 70. 473. And the GTS I drove, I was just complaining about the price, but the GTS I drove is 535 horsepower. That is.

[Filippo]

Well, do you know what a Z06 has? 670.

[Nolan Sykes]

Well, yeah. And the ZR1, which is cheaper than all these cars, has a million horsepower, right?

[Filippo]

About approximately a million, plus or minus a couple.

[Nolan Sykes]

Okay. With that in mind, bring us back to our next news story. Can somebody tell me what this vehicle is?

[Filippo]

This is a Karma Amaris.

[Nolan Sykes]

Karma Amaris.

[Filippo]

Karma exists.

[Nolan Sykes]

Karma exists. So the. So the story of this is the Fisker Karma came out 20 years ago, created by Henrik Fisker, this futuristic car. When he abandoned the company or sold it or God knows what happened then it became Karma as the brand, not the model.

[Filippo]

Wasn't Bob Lutz involved at some point?

[Nolan Sykes]

He was. He was gonna do V8s. They didn't know.

[Filippo]

Okay.

[Nolan Sykes]

And then. And then the Karma Rivero is what the sedan is called. But now they've come out with a coupe called the Amaris. I guess they have cars. They have all these.

[Filippo]

They make these.

[Nolan Sykes]

The Invictus.

[Joe Weber]

This is just straight vaporware.

[Nolan Sykes]

Do any of these exist? Well, wait, you say that, but three of them appear to be just a Fisker car.

[Filippo]

Yeah, they do. So, okay, is it still powered by. This is the same four cylinder.

[Joe Weber]

I think it might be all.

[Nolan Sykes]

So. So do we think this is. It's got a BMW turbocharged four cylinder, so they say they've updated.

[Filippo]

That's nice.

[Joe Weber]

Well, they give us the pronunciation. Thank God.

[Nolan Sykes]

The current car uses a 1.5 liter BMW three cylinder with a plug in hybrid for 536 total horsepower. None of these vehicles exist. We live where this company is in theory based. I don't really. Yeah, Karma is based in socal.

[Filippo]

Huh. I guess that makes sense.

[Joe Weber]

I suspect we'll see one at Monterey Car Week and that will be all.

[Filippo]

You think they have money to go to Monterey Car Week?

[Nolan Sykes]

But no, they'll just drive on a route. When I went to Lake Como, the concours in Villa d'est, the Lotus Evija, they just had it going back and forth and back and forth. On the main street, they didn't have like a booth. Lotus couldn't afford such a thing. So they just drove the car around a bunch.

[Joe Weber]

They'll do what they what Lancia did to prove the O37 was like homogeneous. They drove one like changed the number of play drove another. Maybe it was the color. I can't wrap.

[Nolan Sykes]

They'll have like a wrap shop. So one day they'll drive it around in red and then the next day they'll drive around in blue.

[Joe Weber]

Right, right, exactly. So this is just like the. The Asparag owl basically.

[Nolan Sykes]

It's. It's less cool. It does look really cool.

[Joe Weber]

Beautiful. The aspar cal is not pretty but this looks really nice.

[Nolan Sykes]

They did some launch of it and but hopefully it exists.

[Filippo]

I can't believe we've hosted a karma river.

[Nolan Sykes]

We've hosted a river. We got a GS coming up which is like the newer or not new version of the comervera.

[Filippo]

Right? Yeah.

[Nolan Sykes]

Okay. That's a weird situation and a weird news.

[Filippo]

It's live right now on Cars and bed.

[Nolan Sykes]

Move on to the next one please. Ah, yes.

[Filippo]

Awesome.

[Joe Weber]

Cars hanging from a crane.

[Nolan Sykes]

Honda has dangled three passports from a crane. It's a shame this is our image actually because it happened in the desert.

[Joe Weber]

Well, I sure hope so. I hope this wasn't over a crowded area.

[Nolan Sykes]

I'm curious about what happened.

[Joe Weber]

0% so what are they trying to convey to this here? Hang in there for the terrorists.

[Nolan Sykes]

Honda is desperately trying and obviously they'll fail but they're trying to convince people that the passport is an off road SUV. It's not body on frame, it has no lockers, etc.

[Filippo]

That's a strong frame but what it.

[Nolan Sykes]

Has is recovery hooks. So they took a group of passports out to the desert and you're thinking oh, are they going to do it on an off road trail? No, they're going to go somewhere with a crane and dangle the cars to show that they can be towed.

[Joe Weber]

Well, I mean it is truly off road. They're in the air. So it is off road. I think as you could possibly get.

[Filippo]

That's a great point, Kevin.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yikes.

[Joe Weber]

That's who at the market.

[Filippo]

Somebody else has done this recently too.

[Nolan Sykes]

New passport looks good by the way. It's just not a forerunner. Honda. Honda sees the 4Runner sales. They're like we want that but they're like we can't really invest in that. And it's like okay, we'll do this, we'll make a pilot but we'll put it in the desert with Hux.

[Filippo]

But it's showing how strong the frame is.

[Joe Weber]

Well. And you know what, at the end of the day, we're talking about it, so it did kind of work.

[Nolan Sykes]

But we're also talking about how it's a second rate off roader and it's an idiot thing.

[Joe Weber]

That's true.

[Nolan Sykes]

Hilarious, though. Lovely, lovely idea, whoever came up with it. Last news story of the day.

[Joe Weber]

Speaking of cars that are flying. So here's one of my favorite pictures of the year so far. This is a Bugatti Chiron that is being seized now, evidently this was in Austria on the Ringstrasse.

[Nolan Sykes]

In Vienna.

[Joe Weber]

Yeah, in Vienna. And they have recently increased like their severity of their laws regarding speed, particularly in and around populated areas. This car was evidently doing. It was doing 76 miles an hour, thereabouts. Like just driving, which, let's be honest, in Assuron, not hard to do.

[Nolan Sykes]

Not hard to do. But that road is the main road around the main inner city section of Vienna. 76 is a wild number on that street.

[Joe Weber]

So, yeah, so he. This guy got pulled and sure enough, they had threatened to impound cars if they were going 60km, more than 60km an hour in urban areas. And boy, did they. This is, this is. I suspect they wanted to do this to make a point, but they did. Here it is.

[Nolan Sykes]

No plate too. I live in fear of this. I live in fear that one of my sports cars will be.

[Joe Weber]

You think this will happen to us at some stage?

[Nolan Sykes]

Well, they can do that in California, in any state, honestly, if you're going fast enough.

[Joe Weber]

And sometimes I think it's Countach kind of can't.

[Nolan Sykes]

But you know what I'm thinking? Like, what if they. What if they saw me at my speediest? Not that I've ever speeded. Gosh. But what if that. And then they're like, what do you. What happens? Like, is the tow company or the. Or the city of Vienna going to properly store and maintain a Bugatti G road? That is your biggest deterrent for speeding. Yeah.

[Filippo]

You don't want your car, like the.

[Nolan Sykes]

Dude probably doesn't care about the driver's license points or the fine, but like you do not want a month or however long it is with the city of Vienna and their toe guys.

[Joe Weber]

Right.

[Nolan Sykes]

Messing with a Sheron.

[Filippo]

They're Austrian. They're careful and deliberate and professional.

[Nolan Sykes]

I sure. I think tow guys are tow guys anywhere in the world.

[Joe Weber]

Yes, exactly. But what a fascinating thing to see a Bugatti being put onto a tow truck this way.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah. Pretty crazy situation. Especially because you're in. In Vienna. I mean, you're pretty far from being able to drive this car at crazy speeds on the autobahn. But doing speeds like that in real, this isn't a highway or anything. This is a pedestrians walking.

[Joe Weber]

Well, yeah, look at it. I mean, yeah, it's incredibly tight just to put this thing on the truck. Must have taken a lot of effort.

[Nolan Sykes]

And no front plate. Got to put that too.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Nolan Sykes]

Can't do that in Europe. Here in California. In the United States you get away with that. Not in Europe. Europe you can't be like, oh my state doesn't have that.

[Joe Weber]

Got him.

[Nolan Sykes]

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[Filippo]

What color is that?

[Nolan Sykes]

I'm going to, I'm going to tell you the story about the G63. Okay, here's what happened. My wife's car got hit in front of our house and so it's at the body shop. And so for the last two weeks since it's been in the body shop, I have been getting press. Cars that are family friendly. Right?

[Joe Weber]

How convenient.

[Nolan Sykes]

So I got an essay.

[Filippo]

Well, I reviewed such a good time.

[Nolan Sykes]

I reviewed them also. They were brand new cars. In fact, in both cases, I was not the one who specifically asked for the car. Audi reached out and said, will you review the SQ6? Do you want to? I said yes. And then Hyundai reached out and said, do you want to review the Ionic 5XRT? And I would have said no if I had known more about it, but unfortunately. Anyway, so it came. So then this shows up, which was Mercedes reached out and this shows up and my wife looks at it. She's like, I'm not gonna drive that.

[Joe Weber]

You know, I Gotta side with your wife here. It is pretty embarrassing.

[Nolan Sykes]

No, I love it.

[Filippo]

I'm into it. I like to color her. I hate the wheels.

[Joe Weber]

With your tasteful sweater you're into.

[Filippo]

No, no. I would obviously never own one, but I would drive it around for the day.

[Nolan Sykes]

What?

[Filippo]

100%.

[Joe Weber]

Get out of here.

[Nolan Sykes]

I'm gonna tell you three things.

[Filippo]

If your wife wants a GTI for a couple days, you can trade.

[Nolan Sykes]

We were actually talking about this because my wife wants nothing to do with this car. But there's a group of people, people for whom this shows up at their house. They'd be like, oh my God, I can't wait to drive. I gotta drive it. Like you go to LA and this is still the hottest thing in the world among certain people. Like there's these people who think it's the coolest thing in the world and then these people who have the same wealth who laugh at these people, right? Who are like, I can't believe you'd want to be seen in that thing.

[Filippo]

Everybody in Malibu and Brentwood and however.

[Nolan Sykes]

To Mercedes Benz credit car's been on waiting lists for six years. That came out in 19. That that new body G has been out for. This is its seventh model year. Hard to believe technically, right? This is a refresh. That's why they were offering it to me. Do you know what's refreshed? They put a little spoiler over the windshield. You'll watch the video, I'll watch, I'll find out.

[Filippo]

That'll fix it for a minor facelift. Those are the videos that I watch.

[Nolan Sykes]

There's a spoiler over the windshield to increase aerodynamics.

[Joe Weber]

Oh yes. Because when I think aerodynamic efficiency, the G wagon's the first one.

[Nolan Sykes]

Well, now you do. Because of the windshield.

[Joe Weber]

You're right. Yep, exactly.

[Nolan Sykes]

Jokes on me, that car, a couple things about it, that color. But you make fun of the color. It's $6,500 extra. What is it called?

[Filippo]

Orange Hell Magnum.

[Nolan Sykes]

It's called Copper Orange Magno.

[Filippo]

Oh, that's cool.

[Nolan Sykes]

Close. The interior, it has some manufacturer interior, of course, the leather and the extended interior package. 24,000.

[Filippo]

So manufacturers where you like. It's like paint a sample equivalent.

[Nolan Sykes]

I understand it cuz they have designo, they have manufacturer. Neither name has ever caught on in the market. No, but they really think they're something Mercedes Benz really think.

[Filippo]

As somebody with a designo exterior and interior, I, I, I care about it, but flex.

[Nolan Sykes]

And the point is this is here and it's $235,000 and the G I driving it around, and I'm like, you know what this is? This is such a great car. Like, it does exactly what the people who buy them want. It's. It exudes the image they want. It's fast. You sit above everything. It's loud. It's got all the tech. It handles well. It's really luxurious now. It's really an everything car. If you can stomach the image. And for some people, I tell that to. And they're like, stomach the image. It's a great image. And I'm like, okay. And some people are like, I cannot stomach the image.

[Filippo]

Y.

[Nolan Sykes]

And that's the situation that includes your.

[Filippo]

Wife, who would rather be driving around in a camo. Fendered sequoia.

[Nolan Sykes]

That says a lot.

[Filippo]

Says a lot.

[Nolan Sykes]

Okay, Filippo, give us your top car story, which is a big one.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Last weekend, I was in Seattle to drive a car on a racetrack for the first time.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yep.

[Filippo]

I've never been on a track before last weekend. And a gentleman name named Wes who is doing one lap of America and then selling a car for charity on Cars and Beds. The car that I drove will be on Cars and beds bids in about a month.

[Nolan Sykes]

Once the. Once they. Once they're done fixing it, we'll get there.

[Filippo]

So he invited us up to. To film with it before he does one lap of America, which includes eight races and racetracks around the US and driving between them, and then selling it for the American Brain Tumor Association. So he butted us up, and I got to drive on a racetrack for the first time.

[Nolan Sykes]

Show the.

[Filippo]

Very fun.

[Nolan Sykes]

Show the footage.

[Filippo]

There was one slight issue, but.

[Joe Weber]

So here comes Flipo.

[Nolan Sykes]

Oh, Flipo's driving right now. It worked out. Show that again.

[Filippo]

It worked out.

[Nolan Sykes]

Oh, here we got it, man.

[Joe Weber]

Flipo is focused, though. Look at him.

[Filippo]

And then. I apologize.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yep.

[Joe Weber]

Sorry about that. Sliding.

[Filippo]

It worked out.

[Nolan Sykes]

I've never seen the tire angle before. How close did we get to the wall?

[Joe Weber]

Not really.

[Filippo]

Not that close.

[Nolan Sykes]

You know, Flipa.

[Filippo]

Oh, wow.

[Nolan Sykes]

We have.

[Filippo]

We have a lot of angle.

[Nolan Sykes]

Wow.

[Filippo]

It just looks like. You guys know the movie the Italian Job. They use Mini Cooper. Looks just like it.

[Nolan Sykes]

Oh, my God. Look at all these angles. I've never seen any of this. This before. It's amazing.

[Joe Weber]

I have to give you credit. 1. Your first time on a track, it was a damp track, and I pushed.

[Filippo]

It a little bit too hard. It's fine.

[Joe Weber]

This track also is. I don't know.

[Nolan Sykes]

It's quick, and clearly, there's not much runoff.

[Joe Weber]

There's not a Lot of runoff.

[Nolan Sykes]

To be honest with you, I have driven on track a lot. I would not have been going that fast, obviously.

[Filippo]

Everybody says that, but, like, it wasn't that fast. Yeah, it was damp.

[Nolan Sykes]

Do you know what wet does to tires?

[Filippo]

I was overly aggressive. And braking, as people will see when they watch the full video radio. And then I learned from that. And then I just break too hard.

[Nolan Sykes]

Too hard. Yeah. Don't you think maybe you were carrying a little too much?

[Filippo]

I was carrying a little too much speed. And then I overreacted in braking.

[Joe Weber]

Well, this is the braking.

[Nolan Sykes]

You think the braking got the car breaking it.

[Filippo]

Turning at the same time with low traction, had a little impact. Yeah.

[Nolan Sykes]

When it's wet, you got to be so careful. You know, wet tracks, the good drivers on wet tracks, it's like they go just as fast or not just. But close. Me on a wet track, half the speed, terrified.

[Filippo]

The rest of the laughs, by the way, were incredibly fun for the ones where I didn't have a little spin.

[Nolan Sykes]

Right. How many laps did you do?

[Filippo]

Seven, eight. I don't know.

[Joe Weber]

Something like that, man. But I have to give you credit also, Filippo, for. Yeah, you did a good job saving it, keeping it out of the wall.

[Filippo]

Thank you.

[Joe Weber]

That's. I can only imagine that was a. We'll put it gently, a code brown moment for you in that. In that situation. But you did a good job, like, getting the car. Car.

[Nolan Sykes]

He does do a job.

[Joe Weber]

Yeah. And not putting it pretty quickly.

[Nolan Sykes]

Pretty quickly. He starts to correct, like, right away.

[Joe Weber]

Y not.

[Nolan Sykes]

Can't do much at that point. He's on the break.

[Filippo]

Avoiding would have been key.

[Nolan Sykes]

Got the wheel going in the right direction. By the end subsequent laps, that corner.

[Filippo]

Was a little scary. Both because. Well, yeah, I bet I. I had had a slight issue, and also I. I had sprayed dirt all over it as a result of that incident. Yeah.

[Nolan Sykes]

What track is this?

[Filippo]

Pacific Raceways in like Kentish, man.

[Nolan Sykes]

That is a tight. That is not a lot of runoff. That's d level of runoff. On that level of wet, I would have been going seven miles an hour and the commenters would have been making fun of me. And I would have been like, yep.

[Filippo]

I will say it's an incredibly fun track. And all I want to do now is go race on tracks.

[Nolan Sykes]

Wow.

[Filippo]

I recognize that it's expensive to go race on tracks which impacts my own autocross exist.

[Nolan Sykes]

When we did two years ago, the race out in the desert when we rented out Chuck Wall for the day and we went there, I invited you and you Were like, I got work to do. I'm not going to do that.

[Filippo]

And sad.

[Joe Weber]

And he worked. Now he's. He's going to be the. He's going to set up the next event for us and where we're going to go.

[Nolan Sykes]

And yeah, I.

[Filippo]

It was legitimately so much fun. I'm excited for the video to come out. There's somehow even more angles than that to show this incident and the rest of the track day. I was probably too aggressive. I said at the beginning that the hardest part for me was going to be being aggressive enough because I'm a. You guys both know this. I'm genuinely a very cautious person. And I pushed myself and it resulted in that. That and I will never push myself.

[Joe Weber]

No, that's how you. You have to do that to start to learn where the limits are.

[Filippo]

So, like, I think that's.

[Nolan Sykes]

In an ideal situation, you do it like in a large parking lot on a car that's not being sold on.

[Joe Weber]

A close track, a closed track in a car that wasn't his. That's a start.

[Filippo]

There you go.

[Nolan Sykes]

That. That is a start.

[Filippo]

Our 53 mini Cooper is. Has been shipped to start One Lap of America, which starts in two weeks. I'm on that and then we'll be on the site.

[Joe Weber]

Felipe, I'm. I'm very proud of you for going out and doing this. I think it's a great cause as well. Yeah, I can't wait to see the video when it comes out. And. Yeah. Nice. Nicely done. Nice, nice save. Well done.

[Filippo]

Showing my wife that video was an experience of just watching her eyes as she watches.

[Nolan Sykes]

I don't think it's also hard. I don't think you. I especially don't think she. But I don't think you realize how serious this is.

[Filippo]

No, no. Good.

[Nolan Sykes]

Good drivers and. And people who go like, they don't have these much of ever. Like, they really work up to a point where you'd go through a corner at the speed to even potentially get into this situation. It's scary.

[Filippo]

Every racing driver has had an off of some sort.

[Nolan Sykes]

Every pro race driver. Guys driving their M3s that they just kind of brought to the track are trying to avoid this kind of stuff.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I was also trying to avoid it. And here we are.

[Nolan Sykes]

Was this on the first lap?

[Filippo]

No, no, no. Lap three or four. I had pushed it a little bit too far and then I was going to the corner a little bit too fast. Fast. And then I scrubbed a lot of speed really quickly.

[Nolan Sykes]

Wet. Wet is scary.

[Filippo]

Wet Is scary. Didn't feel as wet as it looks.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah. Until the car started sliding, of course. Okay. The other thing I want to talk about is Canon and is our Audi R8 situation. Ken.

[Joe Weber]

Ah, yes.

[Nolan Sykes]

Tell us everything.

[Joe Weber]

So. So several weeks ago when I was Amelia Island, I drove my friend Steven's R8, first gen RA, manual, yellow, which was cool. Coupe, loved it. We have another one in the office that's red. Manual, coupe, coupe, first gen as well. I went and filmed a. I went and filmed a photo guide which we're updating things on the photograph. I filmed a bunch of videos with it. It's the right car, you know, great color and stuff. And I was driving around in it and for only the second time in the last decade, I was like, you know, if I just. What if I just got rid of the M5 and just drove this instead and that the only other time it happened was the 981 Boxster Spider. I was like, you know, what if I just. Because the thing is, I'm a single guy, I. And I. It's. I suspect it. I know it won't last forever. And you constantly tell me that you regret that you didn't buy more sports cars when you're younger because you only own practical cars. You own fast wagons when you were my age because we're seven years different in age. And so although it doesn't feel like it all the time, but I had. I was driving around and I thought, what if I did that? Now the. One of the things that kind of made me stop was immediately like, the car's pretty bouncy. And so like, I was like, it would be a little rough to use every day, but that. Then I had to come back to the office because I forgot my sound receiver. So I parked at the top of our alley and I went down in our car elevator and I left it open. I could hear someone went by and went, whoa, dude, that's like a real exotic, man. Wow, it's so cool. I'm like, you get a lot of that unwanted attention a lot of time. I say, most people love the car. Most people are really into the first gen R8. They know what it is.

[Filippo]

I think because of Iron man, they're so into it.

[Joe Weber]

But I was like, I don't know if I'd want that attention all the time.

[Nolan Sykes]

There's a lot of great stuff about it. I will say ours is bright red or the black side blade looks awesome. I thought it looked awesome when I saw it in 08.

[Filippo]

Doug claims to have seen this specific vehicle in 2008.

[Joe Weber]

You have a picture of the VIN?

[Nolan Sykes]

Well, no, but it was sold by that, it was sold by that dealer that month. And Georgia only does 30 day temporary. So unless they sold another red black one in that dealership that month. I saw that one. So regardless, I think. I think you would have less of an issue if it wasn't red. Yeah.

[Joe Weber]

If it were silver with the blades or blue or something. Something different.

[Nolan Sykes]

Fan.

[Joe Weber]

I just.

[Nolan Sykes]

The thing about that car is I think that no car, none in the world combines the following three things. Usability, exotic and affordability.

[Joe Weber]

I agree.

[Nolan Sykes]

No car combines those three things. None.

[Joe Weber]

I. I think of a better one.

[Nolan Sykes]

They're trying.

[Filippo]

No, no, I'm saying that you're close.

[Nolan Sykes]

What's bigger?

[Filippo]

No, that comes close is my point.

[Nolan Sykes]

I know. But what comes more considered market GTI. Okay. The exotic part of that. You can hit two of those three with a lot of cars, including a 9 11. But the exotic part is lost. And the Ford GT does better with the exotic part. But affordability, it's way more expensive. The R8 does those three things because in terms of usability, the front is pretty practical. The interior is pretty big. Yeah.

[Joe Weber]

It's pretty comfortable.

[Nolan Sykes]

It's pretty comfortable. Visibility is good. Parts are available. Servicing is easy. Reliability is not a problem with that car.

[Joe Weber]

No, there are some things like every car but.

[Nolan Sykes]

But that's true of like 997s from that era. Had some things.

[Joe Weber]

AC works great on that one. So like. But it. Yeah, no, I, I agree. Like, that was its design brief when they produced it news. It still does that today. And it's still like I really enjoy now. I, I admittedly like, I want them both. I think that's probably the answer for me.

[Filippo]

Is that why you parked behind the R8? Just like picture.

[Nolan Sykes]

I do think though that if, if you had both, you'd drive the R8 a lot more.

[Joe Weber]

Well, that was the thing I was driving around. It's like I just realized like this is.

[Nolan Sykes]

It's usable. It's a really. Especially in your situation where you're not carrying baby seats or large items often or whatever. Stroll. Like that is a pretty usable car. And it's also really affordable to buy.

[Joe Weber]

Yeah.

[Nolan Sykes]

Sticks are 65.

[Joe Weber]

Yeah. Values are. Are really, really interesting to me. So I'm gonna go to transmission manual.

[Nolan Sykes]

And then click on lowest price. What are they? What are they? What are the cheapest sticks so you can get? These are. Some of these. Some of these cheap ones are probably kind of Rough. But the meaty part of this segment is 60 to 75.

[Joe Weber]

That's a lot of car. That's a very special car for that kind of money.

[Nolan Sykes]

That red one, that red one sold at 72 gated red couple years ago.

[Joe Weber]

But yeah, gated red with blades.

[Nolan Sykes]

You're not gonna find for 72 grand a more exotic, practical, usable car than this. And NSX comes close, but it's, it's maybe just as exotic. It's not quite as usable.

[Joe Weber]

Yeah, exactly. And it's again, it lacks kind of the theater and the drama this car does. Because that engine sounds phenomenal.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah, it doesn't have quite the theater. The usability is a little compromised because I'm not sure if people are still taking NSXs to Acura dealers. Whereas this I would have no problem.

[Filippo]

Taking to an Audi dealer or an Audi specialist. But it's the same V8 that was.

[Joe Weber]

In a lot of, in a lot of other cars.

[Nolan Sykes]

You know what's weird about this car? You know, I was thinking when I was filming it if I described to you a sports car that had a different colored, contrasting color panel going down the entire rear quarter from top to bottom. Okay. And it has no fenders, it has no front fenders. It's just the hood. And there's a randomly placed second rear window. Even though it has no rear seats. You'd say that sounds pretty ugly.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Nolan Sykes]

But when you look at it, somehow it works perfectly.

[Joe Weber]

Right? That's exactly right.

[Nolan Sykes]

Like the side blade on its face sounds like one of the stupidest things you've ever heard of in your life. It works.

[Filippo]

And without it, and without.

[Joe Weber]

It doesn't work.

[Nolan Sykes]

Why doesn't work? On cars that have a body color side blade, they are actively not as attractive. They are actively uglier.

[Filippo]

They're hard. Depending on the color of the side blade, it can work. Black. Black can work. Which cuz fundamentally everybody is that black.

[Joe Weber]

Black can work. It's really hard to find.

[Nolan Sykes]

They're hard to find. Almost all the silver cars got a dark side is that white.

[Filippo]

And a lot of the people mods.

[Nolan Sykes]

But it's modded mods.

[Joe Weber]

But it gives you the.

[Nolan Sykes]

It looks okay.

[Joe Weber]

Gives you the idea though.

[Nolan Sykes]

I agree. So you going to do it? What do you sell your five, 4:30?

[Joe Weber]

I don't, I don't know. Yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to think about it some more. I, I just, I. Getting rid of the M5 would be very hard for me because I really love that car. But. And it's so sorted now which is the, the traditional Canon problem like with the 355. I sorted it and then I got rid of it. The M5 is sorted and I should use it and enjoy it as sorted.

[Nolan Sykes]

You've, you've said you've put 100,000 miles on that car.

[Joe Weber]

Almost. We're getting close. Yeah. Almost 100,000.

[Nolan Sykes]

Remember when we offered you did it.

[Filippo]

A 993 Turbo S and he said no, but a stick RS or 9Rs.

[Nolan Sykes]

Great.

[Joe Weber]

Perfect. Yeah.

[Filippo]

I, I support you.

[Joe Weber]

No replacement for this place. I, I don't know. I, I, it's just it I've again I felt that way about the Boxer Spider. I actually had a very emotional experience with that. It was here, it was Sam's car and I went and drove it and I drove my M5 back to back and I was like I can't do this. I, I can't get rid of the car. And in retrospect I'm.

[Nolan Sykes]

The drawback of the Boxer Spider is the practicality would be ultimately like the top thing would become an issue.

[Joe Weber]

Two chunks looks though.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah.

[Joe Weber]

And the comp is not that big a deal on, on that one. On the, that day after six months.

[Nolan Sykes]

I bet you're like well yeah, but we live here. But it's your only car. It's rained every one of the last two weeks. It would be annoying.

[Joe Weber]

It's not currently raining now.

[Nolan Sykes]

It rained this morning. It would be annoying.

[Joe Weber]

It would be annoying. But the R8, like I don't know. I am genuinely actually thinking about that.

[Nolan Sykes]

I want to talk. I think that you should think about it and I think that it's legitimately cool and you should think about that one specifically. And by the way, way hate to admit it, love the exhaust. It is. Have you heard it? No.

[Joe Weber]

Cold start is.

[Nolan Sykes]

I'm gonna do an impression of the car. Please turn on.

[Joe Weber]

It's actually pretty close. You just forgot to do the gauge thing where they go.

[Nolan Sykes]

I, it's way too loud.

[Joe Weber]

It's like a. Yeah.

[Nolan Sykes]

When you drive it though, the start would be way annoying.

[Joe Weber]

The starts, the, the cold start is. It doesn't sound like an art. It sounds like a, a muscle car. It doesn't sound.

[Nolan Sykes]

But when you drive it it sounds good. It.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Joe Weber]

When you're, when you're getting up there in the rev to be honest with you. Cuz I did drive it around a little bit with the windows down. It actually kind of hurts my ears.

[Nolan Sykes]

Like it's actually the windows down but I like it.

[Joe Weber]

But I. Yeah. That's why I think the owner only drove with the windows up. Hence why it had to be so loud. But.

[Nolan Sykes]

Okay, we got to talk about Nick. We got to talk about Nick. Since we're talking about our rates, we got to talk about Nick. Pull up. Can you pull up YouTube and it's very video. Nick has bought a Bentley Arnaz. We talked about it on the site already, but the very. On this pod already. But the very first Nick Arnaj video has officially gone up. Nick. There he is standing in his driveway at midnight when the car got delivered by some. Some Uzbek shipper that he found. Anyway, here is the Bentley Arnage. Oh, wow. We're going hd. We want to see Nick in hd.

[Filippo]

We do. Don't we always.

[Nolan Sykes]

It's a great.

[Filippo]

Given how bad it looked, it's a great video.

[Nolan Sykes]

The car has been a complete disaster. Nick doesn't think it's a disaster, even though it doesn't currently have any interior panels. That's how it looks now. So anyway, Nick's just launched our new cars and Bins project car because he sold his Maserati on the site. He sold his P38 Range Rover. Now he's on this. This is undoubtedly the most ambitious Nick project car and cars and Bins project car yet.

[Filippo]

I want to know tell for everybody else. Currently, he has removed all the wood.

[Joe Weber]

He.

[Nolan Sykes]

So Nick took the. It's got. It's a. It's an amazing story and he'll tell it in a video. But one of the things that has happened is that Nick decided he wanted to refinish the wood trim. To be honest, it looked fine to me. He decided he wanted to refinish the wood trim, but it. Because it's Nick, he couldn't do it retail. He took it to a guy in Mexico, which in here in San Diego is actually not all that uncommon for people to do for like, save money on body work, whatever. He took it to a guy in Mexico who. Who told him that he would. If he would give him a discount if Nick removed the wood himself. Nick did remove the wood himself. He damaged several parts. Parts in while doing it. One part he couldn't get off. So that part is just not going to be refinished. It won't match. And the guy texted him like a couple weeks after he gave him the wood. And he said, hey, by the way, I have cancer. And so I'm not really going to be able to get to this anytime soon. And so Nick's just.

[Filippo]

We hope he's fine.

[Nolan Sykes]

Nick's just driving around with the interior wood.

[Filippo]

All that to say, you should watch the video.

[Nolan Sykes]

That is the level that we're talking about with this. It's going to be a great series. And I fear for, you know, when.

[Joe Weber]

I saw that car in person, one of my first reactions was, well, was not that the wood needed to be done. There's a lot that that car needs.

[Nolan Sykes]

That's right. On a list of 50 things. And you could make a list of 50 things.

[Joe Weber]

It's.

[Nolan Sykes]

The wood would have been 47th. I would have solved the leaking fluids. And he did eventually.

[Joe Weber]

Well, well, you know, but it's, it.

[Nolan Sykes]

Wasn'T leaking the last time.

[Joe Weber]

I have to have. We have. We, you know, in our friend group, we often encourage to take people like you've just done with me with the art to take bolder and bolder decisions. Y have we strayed a little too far?

[Nolan Sykes]

I would this car, I thought about this a lot and I really think what happened is he did well on his P38. I think he made money. He did okay on his Maserati. And so each, the market has rewarded each success. Exactly. Each successive bad decision he's made has emboldened him. Like, oh, it worked out for this car. It worked out for that car. And now I'm going to try it. But what's he going to get next?

[Joe Weber]

I, I, I don't.

[Filippo]

I'm here for it because it allows us to have a friend that has a Bentley Arnaz.

[Joe Weber]

I think it really, it really has.

[Nolan Sykes]

Been effective for me. I'm kind of not interested in buying any more cars right now, but at the same time, still want to have new experiences. And Nick has allowed me to do that. I've driven this car a bunch of times. It was a great experience. Love to drive it. Thrilled. I don't own it. Yep.

[Joe Weber]

It's like a boat. You're just thrilled to get off of it. Hand the keys back to Nick here with his great Poupon.

[Nolan Sykes]

So he's enjoying it. It's currently at the shop. Of course it is.

[Filippo]

We should know. You should subscribe to the Cars that and bids YouTube channel where you can get every single one of these videos. And when it comes out, my first track driving experience. You can subscribe to the Cars and Bits channel by going to YouTube.comcards and bids.

[Nolan Sykes]

Okay, we got to talk. We got to do a quick market report and then we are off to the questions. There's only two things I want to cover. One of them is new wrx. Can you pull up WRX and cap? Start the year at 2022.

[Joe Weber]

Here's our website.

[Nolan Sykes]

There we go.

[Joe Weber]

Okay.

[Nolan Sykes]

Start the year at 22.

[Filippo]

Scope the year the current generation WRX. I have a lot of thoughts here by the way.

[Nolan Sykes]

And type in lowest or do lowest price. I mean folks, new WRXs which is a car I love, absolutely love. Oh God. Oh God. Type a note to yourself. These are in the low 20s. We just sold one a couple days ago for 20,750.

[Joe Weber]

Wow.

[Filippo]

You see the similarities between all the lowest priced ones, right?

[Nolan Sykes]

I hate the fact that I see it. They're modded. I like the model mods.

[Filippo]

I, I actually do like the mods too on, on most of these. But all the heavily modified ones are going for the least amount of money.

[Nolan Sykes]

Well, the reason for that is they're all still under warranty. So if you've modified the car, you voided your warranty and at this point in the car's depreciation curve people are the. The warranty and the newness is still desirable. I've been thinking about years. Yeah.

[Filippo]

New WRX 10 grand off a sticker.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

New GTI 10 grand off a sticker. New Golf Arth 10 grand off sticker. The current generation of these cars. Cars have not found a market. The WRX got.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah but this is questionable looking. This is the most appealing WRX got.

[Filippo]

Questionable looking. The gti. I actually also like it. But the market has agreed that it doesn't look great.

[Nolan Sykes]

That's right.

[Filippo]

It doesn't look as good as the prior one. So the GTI and Golf R have interior infotainment concerns and reviewer. Well, he's experienced it and reviewers have panned it widely for that. They just don't have the demand.

[Nolan Sykes]

Dude.

[Filippo]

But it's true of all of them.

[Nolan Sykes]

For this car is a year.

[Filippo]

I know. Why do you think I bought a GTI for 20?

[Nolan Sykes]

Have you driven one of these yet?

[Filippo]

No, I really want to.

[Nolan Sykes]

It is a wonderful car to drive.

[Filippo]

And so is my gti. Like I, I mean these as a class. So is my gti just the market hasn't been interested.

[Nolan Sykes]

This is a great powertrain. This is a great car. This is a lot of fun to drive and you can get it for 20, 21. Yes, please. I want one.

[Filippo]

The. The last gen WRX is everywhere. The Last gen, the Mark 7 GTI is everywhere. Nobody seems to care about the current ones and I think it's a mistake because they're all great cars.

[Nolan Sykes]

People have moved on. I Totally. I agree that the writer actually got a lot of hate when it came out. So did the gti.

[Filippo]

It's of all kinds. There are bargains now.

[Nolan Sykes]

It's such a good drive. It steership handles well. The engine is fantastic and you can mod it.

[Filippo]

Look at this.

[Nolan Sykes]

Buy one of these. Throw on these wheel.

[Joe Weber]

No, I'm not. I'm not doing this, but I would. I have to say I've never driven one of these cars. I very much would like to. They don't bother me. The way they look doesn't bother me at all. Especially in the darker colors. Kind of covers up the fender things, which everybody would.

[Filippo]

Yeah, come around.

[Joe Weber]

I've come around on it too. But I. That is a seriously compelling car. I mean, it's a pretty new performance car with a manual transmission for 20.

[Nolan Sykes]

I'm telling you too. I'm telling you, it drives well. I swear. I think that you would actually enjoy the way it drives.

[Joe Weber]

I'm sure I would.

[Nolan Sykes]

The powertrain, even though it's a flat, it's a four cylinder, all that, it's just like geared wonderfully. And the, the power delivery is smooth. So there's good low delivery too. It's just a really, really good car. And I still like how they look. I always, I initially hated it, then I started seeing them around and this weekend I saw it on the road and I was like, you know what? I've come to a point where I actually now actively like how it looks. I'm with you, which I hate to admit. Okay, I want to talk about the M5 wagon. Filippo. Yeah.

[Filippo]

We literally, today, as we're filming this, sold an E39 528i wagon that was converted to an M5 basically as a V8 and a six speed manual store to an M5. Crucially. It looks incredible. It looks like what it would have looked like had BMW built an M5 twin.

[Nolan Sykes]

A lot of guys do the M5 swap, engine swap and then do bad mods and don't go the whole way. This car basically goes the whole way. Last night it was sitting at 27 and I texted Kenan and I was like, hey, tell me about this car and tell me about like the engine work they've done. Is this the right stuff? Like, should I be interested in this car thinking I could steal it for like 33?

[Joe Weber]

No. These, these cars bring serious money. And this person did it right properly. They did, they did the timing chain guides, they did the vano stuff. They did like, I mean, like all of the big Stuff.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah.

[Joe Weber]

That you would do. And it was a 2000 engine. They updated the stuff that you should like you should.

[Nolan Sykes]

So it sold for 66.

[Joe Weber]

Yeah.

[Nolan Sykes]

Which I don't know. Like.

[Joe Weber]

No, that's. That's where they like really well built ones. That's where they got.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah, maybe. I mean that there's. It's harder to find a market on these. They only come up for sale like once a year between us and bring a trailer and here at there they're very hard to find good ones because we sold one that was a. Someone had done it but like had done some mods and all that stuff. Not how I would have done it. But this one was really, really nicely done and I really was hoping I could steal it. And boy, was that not happening.

[Joe Weber]

Nope. I mean people recognize.

[Filippo]

People recognize it. And also clearly the market still wants the like it's like cool car. Wagon is cool. Combine the two and you get the coolest possible thing.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah. And you know what's interesting? We rnm'd that red RS6 Avant the other day for 80.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nolan Sykes]

I mean we regularly sell pretty modern E63 wagons for this number or less. Aren't 213 selling for this number?

[Filippo]

Really, really early pre facelift 213s with miles and an accident r and this is our absolute number.

[Nolan Sykes]

Or you can get a much older like, you know, swap. Like this isn't an M5 wagon. It's a guy made an M5 wagon and yet still did it. Well, yeah, that's cool.

[Joe Weber]

I'm so here for it. Like now. Admittedly it's. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. But I mean it's just damn cool.

[Nolan Sykes]

It's one of those find another one things though. Like yeah, you. You could make it yourself. You probably make yourself cheaper, but it will take you a year so hard.

[Joe Weber]

That you have to cut out the floor of the car because that's where the spare wheel is. But in order to fit the exhaust on the M5 you have to cut that out and put in an M5 floor. Very common.

[Nolan Sykes]

Well, and there's other stuff too. Oh yeah, the side shot like they. They flare out the fenders.

[Filippo]

They did.

[Nolan Sykes]

But that, that never exists existed.

[Joe Weber]

Fenders I believe are rolled, but I don't think they are flared more. Look at mine. Like that's. That's the same.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah, but that's. But this is a wagon. The sedan. You think the sedan looks the same as the regular 528i sedan with the fenders that looks. That looks chunkier.

[Joe Weber]

Ryan Schultz would correct me, but I think the body panels are the same. They just come rolled from the Factory on the M5, whereas they're not rolled on the standard 520.

[Nolan Sykes]

You still paint painting, though.

[Joe Weber]

I mean, unless this car was anthracite. When I left the fact left the factory. Like, I would imagine it was fjord, but I'm not sure. Fjord gray.

[Nolan Sykes]

It's such. It's such a nice. It's so cool. They did the interior too, Ken. Maybe not up to the standards that.

[Joe Weber]

You know, the interior is good. They put a full leather dash in it and stuff. Interesting. Then you can tell these 2,000. They put parts are from a 2,000 because they have the black gauges, which only came on the 2000 model year for the M5.

[Nolan Sykes]

It is so cool. I think it's incredibly well done. And six sixty six, it's big money. But remember when we sold that F80 M3 wagon, too?

[Joe Weber]

Totally.

[Nolan Sykes]

This is when you do a really good build and you do it well and you don't do the build and then put it on. Lowering springs and bad wheels and tinted tail lights. When you do a build well, the market pays up.

[Filippo]

I was really.

[Joe Weber]

I'm into it, too. Great result.

[Nolan Sykes]

Okay, next up, we move on to questions. These are some of the finest questions we have ever been asked this week. In order to ask us questions, you can ask them, you go to the Community tab, carsandbids.com, click on the community tab. There will be a post there that says questions, and then you can ask your questions. And we will answer the best ones, the most controversial, and then the best, not the highest, upvoted. We've learned different, but the best.

[Filippo]

And if you do it from the Cars and Bids app, extra points.

[Nolan Sykes]

Oh, the Cars and Bids app is bringing you this segment. The Cars and Bids app. Like cars and Bids, but an app better.

[Joe Weber]

Well said.

[Nolan Sykes]

Thank you. And it rains money when you shake it. What does it rain? Money.

[Filippo]

All right.

[Nolan Sykes]

Just like it does here in the office when we're driving our G wagon. Can you imagine driving that thing around?

[Joe Weber]

Never in a million years. Yet he is here.

[Nolan Sykes]

You know what's funny? When you open the hood, there's a little warning label that says, like, don't open the hood wearing a necktie. Like a tie, because you might get caught in the fan.

[Joe Weber]

Great.

[Nolan Sykes]

Nobody driving one of those has ever worn a tie. They're all wearing Balenciaga shirts that say in lart. You know what I mean?

[Filippo]

That's True, So true.

[Nolan Sykes]

There was a tie time when someone driving an expensive Mercedes wor. Tie. That time is gone.

[Joe Weber]

Valencia.

[Nolan Sykes]

All right, all right, all right, Questions. We got first question, top five car. It actually should say no chains. Watch your chain. Your chain might get caught in the fan.

[Joe Weber]

Oh, God. That's top car subject.

[Nolan Sykes]

First question from X Pilot. What are the top five cars that will be not subject to a tariff? Sequoia? None.

[Filippo]

They will all be, you know what one car that's incredibly popular that is built in America primarily with the American parts. The Toyota Corolla.

[Nolan Sykes]

How lovely this is.

[Joe Weber]

The vast majority of Teslas will be the car.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah, but he's asking for top five. Best of top eight best.

[Filippo]

The Corolla is an vehicle.

[Nolan Sykes]

So the Coral J, by the way.

[Filippo]

I don't think built in the US.

[Nolan Sykes]

I will say it's. I don't know what the answer to this is because I'm still having trouble quite discerning exactly what's going to be subject to what's not. And I am certain that cars that are subject to tariffs will drive up the entire market price. If you're Hyundai building a car in Korea and you have to jack up your price 20%, there's no way Ford building a car in America doesn't jack up their price at least 12% because why not just take the extra?

[Filippo]

Also, if you are even Toyota and some of your cars are built outside of the us, you're going to increase the price across the board because you can't have.

[Nolan Sykes]

You're not just. Yeah, totally. So it's a good question. It's just hard to say right now. And my suspicion is that most cars will be, if not subject to a tariff, then their price will be increased because of the tax increase.

[Filippo]

I do wonder whether manufacturers, Volkswagen has said they're going to put on the window sticker their MSRP and then an import fee. If everybody goes that direction, that might change that math a bit. If they want to really say this is not us, this is your government.

[Nolan Sykes]

Tariff, they should say Trump tariff, which has some upsides from Tangle 92. I recently saw a Cadillac ELR on the road, knew it was rare, but didn't realize how rare it was. Here's the question. Has there ever been a bigger flop where vehicles share a platform and one is a commercial success, but one is an absolute disaster? It's a great question. Question first, I want to say those. There were actually three cars that shared that platform.

[Filippo]

You got an Aptera, Aptera, Ampera. I'm so Close. It's bad name, by the way.

[Nolan Sykes]

Built in America and sold in Europe.

[Filippo]

It's. It's the Volt. It looks like the Volt.

[Nolan Sykes]

It is. Does not look like the Volt. Pull up the Opal Ampera.

[Filippo]

I'm sorry, what?

[Nolan Sykes]

It does not look like the Volt. The Opal Ampera is a radically different product.

[Filippo]

Oh, yeah, you're right.

[Nolan Sykes]

Completely.

[Filippo]

Completely different product.

[Joe Weber]

Wow.

[Filippo]

Completely different car. Totally different.

[Joe Weber]

It looks like a dog that had like tears.

[Nolan Sykes]

You're right.

[Filippo]

The side profile, the rear, everything but the headlight treatment.

[Nolan Sykes]

What do you mean? The steering wheels on the opposite side of the damn car.

[Filippo]

Very different from only the UK for the way the open pair also sold the mainland Europe, you know, in.

[Nolan Sykes]

In Malta, in Japan, South Africa. They probably sold nine of them in South Africa.

[Filippo]

Did you know about the Impera E which is the Bolt?

[Nolan Sykes]

No, I did not know the Emperor E. Anyway, the question is cars that shared a platform, one is success, the other is disaster. The one that came to mind for me was the Buick Rendezvous and the Pontiac Aztec. The Aztec was a flop, but the Rendezvous sold so well, insanely that I actually suspect that whole op op experience was profitable. Can you think of another?

[Filippo]

There are a lot where there is a.

[Nolan Sykes]

A lot of.

[Filippo]

In a lot of badge engineering. One did more poorly. A lot of pont. Like the Pontiac G3. Can't imagine they sold that many as they did Chevy Aveo.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah, it's actually the question is predicated on the fact that it doesn't usually happen, but I would argue that it actually does usually happen where one car is the one and then they make.

[Filippo]

Stupid other versions of the trick, you know?

[Nolan Sykes]

Right. To give other brands a chance. The one that's happening right now is the Honda Civic and the Acura Integra. The Civic is a Civic and sells incredible numbers. The Integra, they were like, hey, let's just do this because we're already making the car.

[Filippo]

It's kind of purposeful at that point. You're okay with them selling.

[Nolan Sykes]

It's kind of on purpose.

[Filippo]

Now the ELR was actually like a fully different design. It wasn't just badge engineering.

[Nolan Sykes]

I cannot imagine the amount of effort that went into that failure.

[Filippo]

What else? Oh, the prius and Lexus HS250H.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah, that's a good one. And the CT200H, which was also well.

[Filippo]

Compared to the HS220.

[Nolan Sykes]

Never seen an H and the H. That's exactly right. He has not. And the HS was. Was the one that was actually based on the yes, the CT was was def. Was more Lexus HS250H or 235. I mean he only thinks in 235s like the BMW.

[Joe Weber]

I can't help it. It just like falls naturally.

[Filippo]

Wow, that is a scary looking attractive vehicle.

[Nolan Sykes]

I loved how it looked. I thought it was great. This one like if this had had a turbo four cylinder. It's got the body kit, it's got the wheel.

[Filippo]

I finally see where, where Toyota got all their inspiration for the next generation Corolla at the time.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Wow, interesting.

[Joe Weber]

Maybe it's not a failure but the the was the Aston Martin Signet and the Toyota not a failure.

[Nolan Sykes]

All three kind of failures.

[Joe Weber]

Both are kind of failures.

[Nolan Sykes]

But no, it does happen occasionally. But that was probably an extreme example where one was a radical failure and the other one was mediocrity was an Opal Ampera.

[Filippo]

Nice.

[Nolan Sykes]

Okay, next question. The from Amine Am. The idea of a Halo car is well known. A car so good, interesting, unique that it brings attention to a brand and ushers an improved era. Like the R8. Has there ever been a car that did the opposite? It was so bad that it indicated the downfall of a car brand. I was thinking about this question. Don't you think the Ghibli, the 15 Maserati Ghibli really ushered in like the beginning of a bad era for Maserati.

[Filippo]

It's the downside of going a little bit down market.

[Nolan Sykes]

You go down market, you go volume and you create that. And I don't think Maserati's image has ever really recovered covered like Audi's image went to here. Well Maserati's image went to here and they haven't really been able to bring that back.

[Filippo]

That's a great example.

[Nolan Sykes]

There are other good ones though.

[Joe Weber]

I bet I Miev would you say for Mitsubishi?

[Nolan Sykes]

Mitsubishi was already kind of headed in that direction. They were there. I think that there are some recent Volkswagens that have diminished what image the brand used to have. The Passat and the Jetta when they decontented them for like the 10 model years. And the Atlas like the days of like VW being a cheap but high end alternative to German kind of went away. They got other stuff for it. They got volume and the car cars are still pretty good but like no one views them as like a budget Audi anymore.

[Filippo]

The Mirage, to Ken's point about the imf, I think the Mirage kind of did that was their valve volume seller.

[Nolan Sykes]

The Montero Sport and the Montero were volume sellers. In the late 90s, early 2000s, it slipped to these small cars, and now that's all anybody thinks of Mitsubishi.

[Filippo]

The Outlander exists and is a competent vehicle.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah. I don't know. It's an interesting question. And there are probably some other ones, but it's an interesting question.

[Filippo]

I can think of more examples where the main. Whatever the most mainstream model was had a poor redesign. Toyota, Sorry. Honda with the Civic in 2011. 2011, the year that came out that they had an emergency facelift for 2013. That hurt them, clearly. Otherwise they wouldn't have done an emergency facelift the next year. But it didn't. They had enough brand cache that didn't kill them.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah, yeah.

[Filippo]

And they corrected it.

[Nolan Sykes]

And I don't think. I mean, those are minor examples, but I think Ghibli's the best. And certainly nobody has heard a reputation quite like that. The R8 helped one. Yeah. Next question from Hugh K. Doug. Would you break your no new cars rule for the Gilmore Girls Jeep? The Gilmore Girls Jeep, 1J4FAF49S0YP 76, 22, 27. Would I break my rule for Private.

[Filippo]

Till today?

[Nolan Sykes]

Would I break my rule for. That's not. That was only in the first episode. In every subsequent episode, there was a different. It was a. That's a yj. It was a tj. And this. This car. Yes.

[Filippo]

Tj yeah.

[Nolan Sykes]

In every subsequent episode. Episode. Would I break my rule for it. It's not that I would break my rule, Hugh. It's that it's known on its face that my rule doesn't apply to the Gilmore Girls Jeep. You know that, right? When I say I'm off cars, I'm never buying another car. I'm not buying any cars. You know that if the Gilmore Girls Jeep were to become available, I would buy it. Okay, so you want. Should I tell the Gilmore Girls Jeep story?

[Filippo]

I think it's time tell it.

[Nolan Sykes]

All right. All right, here's the deal. So the Gilmore Girls, my favorite television show of all time, the greatest television show of all time, the main character, Lorelai, throughout the show, drove T.J. wrangler. And it was an unusual one. It was this desert Sahara color that was only offered in two model years, and they had two of them. And at the end of the show, which was like, in 2003, I wasn't even sentient.

[Filippo]

What were you.

[Nolan Sykes]

They auctioned him off. Like, I couldn't have bought it. They auctioned off for charity. And at the time, the cars had spent their entire life on the production lot, they had 3,000 miles, both of the Jeeps. And so they were auctioned off for charity. Years go by. I'm always curious, what happened to the cars. And I wrote an article about it for Autotrader, I think, years ago. And I said, hey, what happened to this Jeep? Well, somebody commented and said, I bought the Jeep. It's me.

[Filippo]

I didn't realize it from the comments. Wow, I thought you did some details.

[Nolan Sykes]

And the comment was like, two years after I wrote the article, I just happened to click on it again, and there was the comment. So I'm like, oh, my God. And the person commented with her name, her real name. So I spent weeks googling, googling, googling. And I mailed letters to many addresses that were associated. Couldn't find her email address. I mailed letters to many addresses that were associated with her. They all were returned, only Molly. And so I just said, you know what? It's over. I'm not going to get the Gilmore Girls Jeep. However, one of the interesting things I learned from this was the Jeep was the show takes place in a small town in Connecticut. The Jeep was sold at charity auction to this woman who lives in a small town, Connecticut.

[Filippo]

How cute.

[Nolan Sykes]

So I was desperate. Desperate. Every few years, I would think about it again. I wrote the article probably 10 years ago, and every two, three years, I'd think about it again. And eventually, five years ago, I Google and I'm able to find the woman's daughter, and I find an email address for her. And I sent an email and I say, look, I know you have the Jeep. I want it. I'm interested, and I want it. I'm interested in it, and I'm totally down, and I'll buy it anytime. And she replied kind of rudely. She was like, this is a family heirloom and we're not selling. And it was like, okay, listen, I'm not trying to steal it from you. Like, you take all the time you need with it. But when the day comes, comes the crossover between car enthusiasts and Gilmore's Jeep enthusiasts. It's me. You're gonna want to sell it to me. Yep.

[Filippo]

100.

[Nolan Sykes]

The sad part is, if you go on Carfax, they've been dailying it for, like, 15 years. That's great.

[Filippo]

They're driving from Stars Hollow to Chilton every day for school, and that's important.

[Nolan Sykes]

This thing's got probably 100,000 miles on it now. Connecticut winters, and then every once in.

[Filippo]

A while, they drive to TJ's Renaissance there.

[Nolan Sykes]

It's got rust all over it. Now, the second Gilmore Jeep is actually still here in SoCal. But the first one, the main show car, which is the one they have in Connectic, has my lucky number in the vin. And it's just I want it really bad, and so I still want it, and maybe I'll send another email. You know, the economy's slowing. Times are getting tough. Maybe an influx of cash for selling your Gilmore Jeep would be nice.

[Filippo]

They really need that salt exception in Connecticut. It's time before that increases.

[Nolan Sykes]

So that's the story of the Gilmore Jeep. Yes. Of course I would break my no new cars rule for the Gilmore Jeep. Don't be silly, Q I. There's a few other cars. Like, if a tal design wanted to sell me the Columbus, if a Bentley Dominator came for sale, there's a few cars I'd break the rule.

[Filippo]

I mean, sure, that's the only thing.

[Nolan Sykes]

But generally, I'm not buying any new cars, even though I want a993 Turbo so bad. I watched Ted Ward's 993 Turbo video the other day.

[Joe Weber]

Oh, it's a good one.

[Nolan Sykes]

You see him, it's yellow. He's, like, in Connecticut or Massachusetts. He's, like, accelerating up on ramp, and.

[Joe Weber]

It'S like, I love Tom's video. It's the binaural audio thing that he does.

[Nolan Sykes]

He's just sitting there, and you can feel the car accelerate. Anyway, then I drove the Craig gt, and I was like, I don't need a nine and three tour. Okay, next. I'm serious. That's exactly the thought I had, and I haven't thought of it since. But I do kind of want it, but not more than the Gilmore Girls Jeep. And by the way, I guarantee I would pay more than anybody.

[Filippo]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Weber]

Oh.

[Filippo]

All seven grand.

[Joe Weber]

Exactly.

[Nolan Sykes]

It's probably only worth, like, to a normal person, like 12.

[Filippo]

I know. I was 1,200.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah, I'd probably pay a bigger number than 12. Okay, next question from Blumper. Here we go. You ready?

[Joe Weber]

I'm hold. Oh, no. All right.

[Nolan Sykes]

Hey, Doug and Kenan, can you rank every M3 from worst to best? We've been ranking all these cars every week. I want to. I want to preface this, because when we cut this into a short, we're not going to include my preface, but I want to preface it anyway. People get so mad. They're like, you said, the E34 and 5 is the worst. You're terrible. And it's like, I'm not saying it's the worst car. We're talking about great cars here, as stated.

[Joe Weber]

We're talking about it there. Yeah, yeah. They're all excellent cars. Picking among them is like, it's like da, da, da. It's that close.

[Nolan Sykes]

Like the E34 M5 is still, in my opinion, one of the great German cars of all time.

[Joe Weber]

I agree.

[Nolan Sykes]

It's just that when we're ranking all the M5s one does, one has to be last. And it's funny because you get two things. When you see the comments of these people hating us and then people making their own rankings and then they get comments of people hating them. Like there's no ranking that satisfies everyone.

[Joe Weber]

So thank you for coming up with another one. That, yeah, it just spread more hate and vitriol.

[Nolan Sykes]

M3 is tough.

[Joe Weber]

We're going to disagree. It's not tough for the first one.

[Nolan Sykes]

Oh my God. What are you going to say?

[Joe Weber]

You're going to say that it's the G80.

[Filippo]

He's going to say E30, obviously.

[Joe Weber]

No, he's going to say G80.

[Nolan Sykes]

Since I wrote this question into the dock, I've been debating this very thing and now I have to choose.

[Joe Weber]

Choose, damn it. You can start at worst.

[Filippo]

You can start at worst.

[Joe Weber]

Well, for me, the best one. I'll just say it as it is. I think the E46 M3 is. Is the best.

[Nolan Sykes]

There's no four door, so there's a convertible.

[Joe Weber]

Well, guess what? The M3 started as a two door. It should be a two door.

[Filippo]

Dang.

[Joe Weber]

But, but I understand that the BMW.

[Nolan Sykes]

Disagrees with themselves, but the M3 isn't a two door anymore. It's not even a two door.

[Joe Weber]

Things change.

[Filippo]

Three series not available.

[Joe Weber]

You're talking about heritage. Like what you're saying what it started.

[Nolan Sykes]

As well, Things change. It should be a four.

[Joe Weber]

It should be a four cylinder too, technically.

[Nolan Sykes]

But yeah, what about that? But I'm a box fender.

[Joe Weber]

BMW makes six cylinder engines. That's their core competency engine. Like that's what they made. That's what they made forever. They're known for that. The S54 is in my opinion the finest six cylinder engine that they made. You could argue the B58 is up there too. And some people.

[Nolan Sykes]

Filippo would make that argument. Right?

[Joe Weber]

He's a B58 guy. Is the B58, the 3 liter B58 guy. It's the current one and everything. Yeah.

[Nolan Sykes]

Oh yeah. Okay.

[Joe Weber]

Yeah. Which, but I think the S54, it's everything in M car should have high revving naturally aspirated six cylinder engine like that is BMW and that is the mw.

[Nolan Sykes]

You made a good argument.

[Joe Weber]

So I think that end looks amazing. Drives amazingly well. This comes from BMW's golden era, the early 2000s. Like it has its problems, but it's.

[Nolan Sykes]

The one you've made a good argument.

[Joe Weber]

Okay, was this. What was the two on the top of your list?

[Nolan Sykes]

Was it the G80 and E30? Exactly what you guys both said. I would say, and I don't know, but you've made a good argument for the 46. I fault it for not having a sedan because I know that the M3 didn't start as a sedan. But to me what it is and was best at was being a practical little toss about car. And the E36 M3 sedan was great at it. And later M3s have pretty much were very popular sedans and then became only sedans.

[Joe Weber]

A great little tossable car. So one would say that with less doors would make it a little bit.

[Nolan Sykes]

But the added practicality without really losing much in terms of size is what that car to me was the best at. Like if I want a coupe, I want a Cayman. I want a car that was purpose built as a sports car. Whereas the E46 M3 was taken as a your mom drives it kind of coupe and turned into a sports car. I bought a purpose built sports car like a box.

[Joe Weber]

But that's what BMW M does. That's what BMW does with the. They don't build sports cars. Really. The Z4 exists and the Z3 before that.

[Nolan Sykes]

But like this is gonna be a long one. I could tell it's gonna be long.

[Joe Weber]

But yeah, I'm gonna give my list then.

[Filippo]

M1 not a sports car, brother.

[Joe Weber]

Technically it was a supercar at the time. Okay, all right, so E46M3.

[Nolan Sykes]

Remember Lambo built it.

[Joe Weber]

All right, Is that the top for me then? I would say then Personally I think E9X M3.

[Filippo]

Oh, wow.

[Joe Weber]

The V8.

[Filippo]

Wow, that is a surprise.

[Nolan Sykes]

BMW, what they do is they build six cylinders.

[Filippo]

I tried it for you. I wrote down before you started talking and I had E9X as the second to last one for you. That what I thought you were going to say?

[Joe Weber]

No, the E9X still like the the. Although it is not as traditional in terms of its engine. It's the only weirdest one.

[Filippo]

Instead of an inline six, which B is famous for, the second best, M3 actually doesn't have one at all.

[Nolan Sykes]

Can I tell you one interesting thing about doing the M3s. There are six M3s. One interesting thing about doing the M3s is the M5s, the Corvettes. There are some that I. That are not as good. Clearly it's hard with the M3s.

[Joe Weber]

It's really hard.

[Nolan Sykes]

I don't see one in here that F8's probably got to be last.

[Joe Weber]

I think F80 is probably. Yeah, I think.

[Nolan Sykes]

Well, E36.

[Filippo]

Ken own.

[Joe Weber]

I really.

[Nolan Sykes]

You're over. Okay, I'm going to throw another curveball. S52 swapped. E30. That's first. We need Kenan to.

[Filippo]

All right, Kenan. All right, You've gone through the first two, which is E46 and then E9s.

[Joe Weber]

What's next then? I would say.

[Nolan Sykes]

It's so difficult.

[Joe Weber]

I would say probably, then probably then E30.

[Filippo]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Joe Weber]

Because it. It's a lot of money to go slow, but it is really well balanced and it is very.

[Filippo]

And. And not as much as it used to be. Once again, not a six cylinder, but okay.

[Nolan Sykes]

No, number two and number three cards don't have. All right, continue. So you got e. You got E30 next. So now you got to pick between E36, F80, and G80.

[Joe Weber]

Right? I think I would put. I think because the E36 comes in a euro, I think I put E36 next.

[Filippo]

No, we're just talking us.

[Nolan Sykes]

You're just talking us. Yikes.

[Filippo]

You got to go, where do we live?

[Nolan Sykes]

You have to go, G80 next. Have you driven a G80?

[Joe Weber]

I still haven't put you in a G80.

[Nolan Sykes]

You put it above the E30, put it above the E9X.

[Joe Weber]

I bet. I wouldn't. I think. Think. Yeah, okay. I would.

[Filippo]

I. E 30.

[Joe Weber]

Give, give. I'm going to say G. I'm going to say. I'm going to say E36 still, then G80, then F80, and then that's it.

[Filippo]

That's it.

[Joe Weber]

And that's the end.

[Nolan Sykes]

All right. Is completely different.

[Filippo]

Give it to me.

[Nolan Sykes]

I'm going to say G80 first. It is sacrilegious. I'm going to get destroyed in the comments. But I got to be honest with you, the fact that they're still doing a stick ohara. The fact that they're still doing a stick sedan that is that fast and that fun, I guarantee you, 98% of the people in the comments are driving modded E9Xs with mismatched wheels and a wrong color hood, and they've never been in a G80. The G80 is a seriously excellent car. Still What BMW does great is build six cylinders, little cars that are tossable and manual, and they still do it, and it is still great. And I get that it's ugly, but it is not all that big yet. If we'd like for the E39 M5 size, we got to like the G88 M3 size. It, it is a fun, seriously fun car to drive. I get that it's ugly, but not every car is attractive.

[Joe Weber]

I don't, I, I, I don't disagree with that. It's a hard sell over the rest of the lineage, but it's a great car.

[Nolan Sykes]

It's a great car, wireless car.

[Joe Weber]

But this is going to be considered an icon. The, the E46 icons for a reason.

[Nolan Sykes]

In 25 years, manual, everyone's going to.

[Joe Weber]

Say, I, look, I don't disagree. I love that, that car. I love that car.

[Nolan Sykes]

We live right now in, in. Yeah, but I can see where this is going.

[Joe Weber]

You know, we've seen the next one.

[Nolan Sykes]

Will be a plug in, the next one will be an automatic. Then they're going to go electric. They're going to get even uglier. And in 25 years, people are going to look back at the G80, the last manual, the last six cylinder, and say just like they do with the career GT and the Ford GT and the RS4 and all those cars, the R8, all those cars from that era, that was the end. I know, but we didn't know it at the time. We hated some of those cars at the time. Now we love them.

[Joe Weber]

Right. That's going to be the thing. Like the other cars still exist. It's not like they've completely.

[Nolan Sykes]

Yeah, but I would rather have a G80. It's more powerful. It's more fun. Honestly, it's still incredibly fun to throw around. It's faster than all these other cars around a racetrack. So it handles great, too. And it's a modern car.

[Joe Weber]

Here's the thing about you, Rook. I also know tangent, but another thing about you is you, you say the stuff about the car, then you drive one of the other ones. You're like, you know, this is actually.

[Nolan Sykes]

Better than the other cars.

[Joe Weber]

We need to do a challenge where you drive all of them back to back to back and then decide, I've.

[Nolan Sykes]

Driven all these cars pretty extensively over time.

[Joe Weber]

I know.

[Nolan Sykes]

You forget, like, seriously, pretty extensively. I mean, I gotta go G80.

[Filippo]

What's after G80?

[Nolan Sykes]

E30.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nolan Sykes]

Then E46. Then it's US only.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nolan Sykes]

Okay. E92, E36 and F80.

[Filippo]

Poor F80. What did F80 ever do?

[Nolan Sykes]

F80 is great. F80 is an awesome car. It just represented the beginning of a largening is just a better and the G80 is a better F80.

[Joe Weber]

Like ultimately I think that the. The F80 is actually one of the best looking M3s I have with it is. It is. It is pretty sanitized and there's no way to make that car sound good. They all. You put an exhaust on it, it sounds awful.

[Nolan Sykes]

Okay.

[Joe Weber]

List is a little crazy but my.

[Nolan Sykes]

I know everybody's going to hate G80 but I promise you, come back to this pod in 20 years, we'll both have them long gone. And no but I promise you I can see where this is going. The cars that people hate are the ones that become desirable later. And the the fact that this is the end of the line. We will look back on this and say the cars are all old now, but at least the G80 is the newest, the fastest that ever got what BMW did so well.

[Joe Weber]

I don't disagree but we see which direction it's going and it makes me appreciate the older stuff more.

[Nolan Sykes]

Maybe, but the problem with the older stuff is it's unreliable, it's slow and in the case of the E46, no.

[Joe Weber]

The only reason the new stuff is not because it's not old yet. Give it time. It'll have problems for BMW.

[Nolan Sykes]

That's our last question. The podcast is over. Filippo, do you have any parting thoughts?

[Filippo]

Can I say two things very clear, please. If you listen to the podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, rate us. It helps us us a lot.

[Nolan Sykes]

Rate us. What if they rate us poorly?

[Filippo]

Well, I hope they enjoy the podcast if they've listened to an hour and.

[Nolan Sykes]

10 minutes only Rate us if you like it. Am I allowed to say that? Sure.

[Filippo]

I say anyway. And also make sure you subscribe to the Cars and Bids channel and the Doug Demuro channel so that you get notified in the Cars and Bids app.

[Nolan Sykes]

And buy cars on Cars and Bids. And buy merch on Cars and Bids. Sell cars on Cars and Bids. My God, do it all, folks.

[Filippo]

Advertisement I'm the only person who hasn't.

[Joe Weber]

Sold anything this podcast. Well, that was our best podcast ever.

[Nolan Sykes]

Our best podcast ever. GADM three to the stars.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah.

[Joe Weber]

All right. Goodbye.

[Filippo]

Goodbye.

[Joe Weber]

It.