BMW M3 Goes Electric?! The Corvette ZR1X! Why is Doug Disappointed?

Summary

THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends!

Episode: BMW M3 Goes Electric?! The Corvette ZR1X! Why is Doug Disappointed?
Host: Doug DeMuro
Co-Hosts: Filippo, Nick (filling in for Kenan)
Release Date: January 16, 2026

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Overview

This energetic episode covers the biggest automotive news and controversies of the week—from the mind-bending performance of the new Corvette ZR1X, to the (potentially heretical?) all-electric BMW M3, to Doug’s personal car buying journey and market analysis. The mood is irreverent and fast-paced, with Doug, Nick, and Filippo trading insider insights, car nerd laughter, and hot takes on everything from government SUV procurement, to why Toyota and Subaru left them cold at Tokyo Auto Salon, to detailed stories of project cars and “cars and bids” market updates.

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Major Discussion Points

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1. Corvette ZR1X: Insanely Fast and Pump Gas Practical

(00:09 – 06:10)

• Numbers That Don’t Seem Possible:
  Doug reveals the new ZR1X hits 0–60 mph in 1.68 seconds and does the quarter mile in 8.675s at 160 mph—on pump gas and a prepped drag strip.
  • “It gets to be such small numbers that it just doesn’t even make sense anymore.” – Nick (00:26)
• Drag Strip Practicalities:
  Discusses the mechanics of running the car at a drag strip and how these times are community-validated by slamming on brakes to dodge being kicked out for excessive speed.
• Dealer Service Concerns:
  “Imagine your average Chevy dealer trying to fix a 1 second 0-60 car…” – Nick (02:20)
• Technicals:
  ZR1X combines the twin-turbo V8 from the base ZR1 and the hybrid system from the E-Ray: 1,250 hp, four-wheel drive, “just a Corvette” but pushing the boundary of street-car performance.
• Comparable Supercars:
  Faster than Chiron, Revuelto, SSC Tuatara (which struggled to validate numbers—even with 1,750 hp).
  “We’re not that far off of top fuel dragsters. … It’s wild.” – Doug (01:48)
• Will Cars Get Even Faster?
  Panel debates whether this will be the ceiling for street-legal acceleration: “Cars aren’t gonna be doing 0–60 in 0.7 seconds. It won’t. It’s just not going to be occurring.” – Doug (05:12)
• Safety Concerns:
  “People are gonna crash these. … College athletes—because they can be paid now!” – Doug (05:43–05:53)

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2. Tokyo Auto Salon: “BS” Reveals & Disappointment

(06:10 – 08:51)

• Frustration with Overhyped Reveals:
  Doug is fed up: “We at the Cars & Bids podcast … no longer support the Tokyo Auto Salon. We don’t believe in it. We don’t accept it. … bunch of trivial non news.” (06:32)
• Toyota’s ‘Secret Mid-Engine Car’ Turns Out to Be K-Car:
  “It turned out to be a K car on chunky tires. Yep, that’s BS. … You just disappointed us. We hate you.” – Doug (06:34–06:51)
• Subaru’s ‘STI News’ = Cosmetic Package:
  It's just a trim package for the WRX, actually less torque than before:
  “In true STI tradition, it’s got less performance.” – Doug (07:13) “It could have been something good.” – Doug (08:15)
• Brand Dilution:
  “All you’re really doing is watering down the brand. Like it’s just–I don’t get it.” – Nick (08:36)
• Verdict:
  “If you’re an organizer of the Tokyo Auto Salon … we will never talk about your dud of a show ever again.” – Doug (07:41)

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3. FBI Chooses BMW X5s as Armored Vehicles

(08:55 – 12:09)

• FBI’s Shift from Armored SUVs:
  News that the FBI has purchased armored BMW X5s instead of the classic Suburban.
  “These are about half the price of a GM Defense Suburban… it’s maybe a little bit more discreet.” – Filippo (09:25)
• Debate on Capability:
  Doug questions if the X5 can match the Suburban’s protection. Panel notes X5s are still US-built (Spartanburg, SC).
• Reliability Jokes:
  “You can’t kill an LS, but a BMW motor… just make it go 2,000 miles without a service… It’s the B58, man.” – Nick (11:25–11:38)

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4. Electric BMW M3 Incoming: Heresy or Inevitable?

(13:16 – 17:54)

• BMW M3 May Go All-Electric—Quad Motors, Fun Features:
  “When I was a child, there was a Chrome M3 and it broke the Internet. Now we have an EV M3. Yep.” – Nick (13:39)
• Quad Motor Setup, Simulated Gear Shifts:
  “Simulated gear shift’s a huge deal.” – Doug (13:53)
• New Battery Chemistry, Design:
  BMW working on faster-responding batteries; even in camo, “it looks better than the outgoing M3.” – Nick (14:21)
• The "Heart of Joy":
  BMW names new performance control unit “the Heart of Joy.”
  “This is Germans. … They think—this must be how Italians feel!” – Doug (14:56)
• Will Gas M3s Continue?
  Concern over how enthusiast sedan EVs will sell, and if this spells the end of gas M3s. Panel predicts these EVs will be critical in Europe, but US market is uncertain.
• Automotive Geopolitics:
  Americans focus on power; Japanese automakers playing it safe, Germans rolling forward with EVs.

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5. End of Stellantis Plug-In Hybrids

(19:21 – 21:12)

• Massive Recall & Discontinuation:
  “Stellantis has killed all of its plug-in hybrids.” – Doug (19:23) The Jeep 4xe, Grand Cherokee, and Pacifica plug-in hybrids abruptly discontinued, largely due to unresolved fire risks.
• Loss of a Unique Segment:
  “The only plug-in hybrid minivan. That was your favorite…” – Doug (20:41) Fears this pulls the plug on an important step for electrification in the US.

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6. Manual Transmission “Take Rate” Stats

(21:29 – 26:07)

• Manual Take Rates Across Models:
  Panel quizzes each other on how many buyers choose manuals on various models, revealing surprising numbers:
  • BMW M2: 30–40%
  • M3: 6–10%
  • Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing: 61%
  • Lotus Emira: 88%
  • 911 Carrera T & GT3 Touring: 83%
  • Subaru BRZ: 90%
  • Toyota Tacoma: 1%
  • GLI: 45%
• Volkswagen Axes Manuals Despite Popularity:
  “50% of people choosing it for a manual and yet… They got rid of them. … This company is so lost.” – Doug (25:08–25:13)
• Insight:
  If manuals are offered, enthusiasts still buy them in large percentages for sporty/performance models.

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7. Doug’s Car Search & ‘Car Mom’ Saga

(26:07 – 31:32)

• Reconsidering the Lexus LX Overtrail:
  Doug reveals that after a negative review from car influencer “The Car Mom,” especially regarding car seat and child anchor logistics, his wife vetoed the LX:
  “She said, we are not under any circumstances getting this car. So I think we’re 50/50.” – Doug (27:04)
• Issues with Dealerships:
  Stories of haggling, price drops, and unresponsive Lexus dealers.
• Family Hauler Dilemmas:
  Doug still wants something three-row, capable, and subtle (not “look Republican”), but options are thin. Advice from “the car mom” was to try a Defender 130; Doug is skeptical.

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8. Coinbase NSX Auction – 320,000 Mile One-Owner Honda NSX

(33:07 – 38:33)

• Coinbase Promotion:
  Partnership with crypto exchange Coinbase: listing a 320k-mile, one-owner NSX for auction, payable in USDC.
• Durability & Maintenance:
  “No other exotic could do this kind of miles and stay in this kind of shape… proving the NSX myth.” – Doug (34:43)
• A Honda Legend:
  The NSX has normal wear for its age, no accidents, full records, and offers a unique “driver’s car” experience.
• Speculation on Value:
  “We have no comps… No NSX has ever come up with miles like this. … someone who buys it who wants a driver is going to get really, really, really agreeable.” – Doug (38:33)

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9. Project Cars: Multipla, SLR, R63, and More

(41:50 – 49:42)

• Fiat Multipla “Adventure,” Leaks, and Antagonistic Looks:
  Filippo reminisces about his Italian car past, says Multipla is “the least antagonistic car. … you have to be nice to your neighbors in a Multipla.” (44:04)
• Nick’s Car Buying Philosophy:
  Nick cycles through oddball project cars, now considering SRT10 RAM, E55 wagon (manual swap dream), chasing an R63, even a high-mile Maybach 57.
• Used Tires Saga:
  Nick obsessed with finding used all-terrain tires for his Range Rover P38.
• Accounting Jokes:
  The team riffs on how to categorize car losses and fantasy profits—with escalating bets and trash talk.

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10. Cars & Bids Market Update

(51:09 – 58:33)

• Maserati Quattroporte Market:
  Old-gen Quattroportes with V8s now $12–30k, interesting and “menacing” presence, but Ghiblis are still looked down upon.
• Audi R8 Gated “Plus” Sells for $261k:
  “If you think the R8 is going up in value, this car leads the chart. Like, this is the king R8.” – Doug (56:32)
  • Only a handful of these special, late first-gen V10 manual R8s exist.
  • Speculation: Only previous R8 owners would pay to upgrade to such a unicorn.

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11. Audience Q&A Highlights

(58:34 – End)

• Why Are Land Cruisers Way Pricier Than Sequoias?
  Consensus: Land Cruiser name & global rep, slightly better hardware spec. But first-gen Sequoias are underrated future classics. “Everybody: these first-gen Sequoias just, they can run and run and run and run.” – Doug (64:41)
• Why No VR6 Volkswagen Reviews?
  Doug’s take: the VR6 is “just a V6,” but admits to loving oddball variants and is still hunting for a stock blue R32.
• Volvo XC90s as “Cheap, Rich-Looking” Sleepers:
  Nick: “I can buy one of these for less than I lost on the Arnage.”
• Cars & Bids Logo Redesign:
  Filippo explains the refresh: “It had been five years. We wanted to update things a little bit and we felt like that better reflected our brand.” (72:00)
• Will EVs Ever Be True Enthusiast Classics?
  Doug: “No, EVs can never become enthusiast classics.” (73:54)
  Filippo pushes back: maybe time or the right car will change that, but for now, nothing rises to “icon” status like ICE cars.

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Notable Quotes

• On ZR1X Performance:
  “It gets to be such small numbers that it just doesn’t even make sense anymore.” – Nick (00:26)
• On Tokyo Auto Salon:
  “We … no longer support the Tokyo Auto Salon. We don’t believe in it. … We will never talk about your dud of a show ever again.” – Doug (07:41)
• On the All-EV M3:
  “If this becomes the only M3, then everything I’ve ever said about the current M3 will come true, which is that it was the last and best and someday we will look back at those grilles and love them.” – Doug (14:31)
• On FBI BMWs:
  “You can’t kill an LS, but a BMW motor… just make it go 2,000 miles without a service… It’s the B58, man.” – Nick (11:25–11:38)
• On Manual Transmission Take Rate:
  “If you offer manual, more than half the time people take it.” – Nick (25:33)
• On Project Car Accounting:
  “You can’t pull Manny Kosh on me… Selling any mega church torches?” – Doug (61:44)
• On EV Enthusiast Cars:
  “No, EVs can never become enthusiast classics.” – Doug (73:54)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamps | |------------------------------------------------------|-------------------| | Corvette ZR1X Performance Breakdown | 00:09 – 06:10 | | Tokyo Auto Salon Disappointments | 06:10 – 08:51 | | FBI Armored BMW Debate | 08:55 – 12:09 | | BMW M3 Electric Reveal | 13:16 – 17:54 | | Stellantis Kills Plug-In Hybrids | 19:21 – 21:12 | | Manual Transmission Take Rate | 21:29 – 26:07 | | Doug's Family Hauler Dilemma & "Car Mom" Critique | 26:07 – 31:32 | | 320k-Mile NSX x Coinbase Promotion | 33:07 – 38:33 | | Project Car Updates (Multipla, SLR, R63, etc) | 41:50 – 49:42 | | Market Report: Maserati Quattroporte, Audi R8 | 51:09 – 58:33 | | Audience Q&A (Land Cruiser vs Sequoia, etc.) | 58:34 – End |

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Closing Thoughts

With honest opinions, offbeat humor, and deep car expertise, Doug and friends give listeners an entertaining and comprehensive snapshot of the current (and future) auto landscape. This episode is packed with car gossip, market advice, and debate—plus plenty of tips for buyers and project car masochists. If you love cars, you’ll laugh, learn, and come away with a few more strong opinions.

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Transcript

[Nick]

Foreign.

[Doug DeMuro]

Welcome to this car pod.

[Filippo]

I'm Filippo.

[Nick]

I'm Nick.

[Doug DeMuro]

Nick's here today filling in for Kenan. And we got a lot to talk about. Start with the news. Ah, yes, the big news story of the week. The new Corvette ZR1X. Did you read these? The numbers, Nick.

[Filippo]

It.

[Nick]

It gets to be such small numbers that it's just like it doesn't even make sense anymore.

[Doug DeMuro]

ZR1X, they've already established what it is, that it's crazy and it's insane. It's an even higher performance version of the regular ZR1. However, today, this week, they announced 0 to 60 and quarter mile times on a prepped surface, which you can see here. 0 to 60 in 1.68 seconds.

[Filippo]

I know it is on a prep service, but it's on pump gas.

[Doug DeMuro]

Pump gas and a prep service is like it's a drag strip in Michigan. Like is it how prep. I mean, maybe not in Michigan at this time of year, but how prep could it like, it's not like, obviously it helps the tires hook up and all that stuff, but it's not like they took the car to the moon or some other thing that would like, is impossible to replicate. Like, you could do this.

[Filippo]

You could do this.

[Nick]

Is this thing caged? Are they getting DQ'd and kicked out like after one pass?

[Doug DeMuro]

Quarter mile time to your answer to your question is at 8.675. At 160 miles an hour, you would get kicked out. But what we do in the community is we do that after the eighth. We slam on the brakes right before the end and then we run a 13. That's like, that's like how it's done.

[Nick]

Yeah. You run your draggy just to get your. Your time.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, yeah, exactly.

[Filippo]

Large bit in the Fast and the Furious movies with a you owe me a 10 second car. Turns out all you need is 208 grand and you can have one tomorrow.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, you could have a plaid for 45 if you only want a 10 second car. This is an 8 second, right?

[Filippo]

Good point.

[Doug DeMuro]

You can be an 8 second car. Yeah, it's wild. We're not that far off of top fuel dragsters. You ever see a top field dragster?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Here's how it goes. Here's how it goes.

[Nick]

And then they rebuild the motor each pass.

[Filippo]

What the viewers don't know is that the three of us went drag racing recently.

[Nick]

Right.

[Filippo]

Our times were a little longer.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, well, we did a. It was a. It was 16 miles and they were still.

[Filippo]

Actually, I think it Was actually. But it was shorter.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, you're right.

[Nick]

I had a 1.78 response time. You do wonder.

[Filippo]

Okay.

[Nick]

Your problem with 4 GTs of like the dealers not wanting to work on it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like. Yeah.

[Nick]

Imagine your average Chevy dealer trying to fix a 1 second 0 to 60 car with 8 second quarter mile.

[Filippo]

It's a pump gas car. It's like it runs like a normal car. I think it is just a Corvette.

[Doug DeMuro]

Isn't it just. I guess it's just a Corvette.

[Nick]

I love it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well but. And what it is also is it's just the twin turbo V8 from the regular ZR1. Plus it's got the hybrid from the E Ray. Right.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

And then it's combined for 1250 horsepower. It's not that out of the realm. Insane for a dealer.

[Filippo]

This is a car that Corvette, the Chevrolet makes.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

When Dodge came out with the Hellcat, Demon, whatever which also had a sub 10 quarter mile time if memory serves, it kind of made sense. But this is like a competent car that isn't just going fast.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. I just drove in a regular ZR1. I had it for a couple days when I was in Detroit. And by a couple days I mean less than 24 hours. And it was great. You could drive it around. I drove it around Warren. In October. It's cold, there's geese everywhere.

[Filippo]

You can go around corners.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. No it's.

[Nick]

And. And.

[Doug DeMuro]

And you can go and pick one of these up. Might you?

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug DeMuro]

Why not?

[Filippo]

I am weirdly into eays. I think an EAY is like a ventual buy.

[Doug DeMuro]

Eays are rare.

[Filippo]

I know. But they're a deal.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're deals.

[Filippo]

It's Z6 performance with a hybrid and I love hybrids.

[Doug DeMuro]

And it's four wheel drive does get.

[Filippo]

Good gas then I can't do burnout.

[Doug DeMuro]

You don't need to do burnouts. You know what the E Ray is?

[Nick]

Yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh wow.

[Nick]

I have to say too remember the SSC2 Atara that kind of had a big scandal about claiming a top speed that wasn't true. It's 0 to 60 and what they could verify is slower. It's quarter mile is slower. And that car, they pushed it to the brink of breaking to the point where they. Part of the reason they couldn't validate their times is because it broke down before they could do like the down and back.

[Doug DeMuro]

And looking it up. That car had 1750 horsepower on E85, 1350 on which means it had more power than this. It's still 0 to 60 was 2 1/2 seconds. So it was much slower. Now who knows what this does on normal street, but My guess is 2.1.92 probably.

[Filippo]

And that by the way is faster than a Chiron, faster than a Revuelto. I could probably keep googling other supercars and it's faster than that too.

[Doug DeMuro]

The only thing it's not faster than is the craziest of the electric stuff.

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

However, that's still pretty insane when you think about it because it's right there with the craziest of the electric stuff.

[Filippo]

The Sapphire, which is Lucid's most powerful car, is 1.89.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. And that's probably what this will do on a regular road. Pretty incredible. Gonna be the all time greatest Corvette, truly.

[Nick]

Until the next one. Until the XX maybe.

[Doug DeMuro]

But like you can't really get faster than this.

[Nick]

That's what we've been saying for. I mean they gotta follow it up somehow.

[Doug DeMuro]

I've always, I never, I never was saying that until about now. Like I think zero to 60 cars went in 10 years ago. We're doing like three and a half hours fast. But you always knew there was more.

[Nick]

Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

That could happen. And then the EVs came and it got there and now this is here. But cars aren't gonna be doing 0 to 60 in 0.7 seconds. It won't. It's just not going to be occurring.

[Filippo]

I want to tell make you all experience 1.67 seconds. That's what it is, right?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

All right. You're going to be quiet for 1.67 seconds from.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh wow. Filippo's doing a little nothing. Like nothing. Like two seconds of quiet.

[Filippo]

Well, it could have been two beautiful seconds of quiet. But that the time for you to say that the car would have been going 60 miles an hour and at.

[Doug DeMuro]

8.8 seconds it would have been going 150. 160.

[Filippo]

Crazy.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, it's quick. Dude, people are gonna crash these. Yeah. You know who's gonna crash them? You know what I was just thinking of? College athletes are gonna crash because they.

[Filippo]

Can be paid now.

[Doug DeMuro]

They get paid. You know what? I read a statistic. Because Belichick is coaching UNC, 70% of UNC's football team has gotten a moving violation since he started coaching.

[Filippo]

It turns out you give people even younger than NFL stars money.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Filippo]

They will spend it.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's wild. It's absolutely wild. Okay, move on to our next story, which is that the Tokyo Auto Salon was bs. We at the Cars and Bids podcast. What is this called? We no longer support the Tokyo Auto Salon. We don't believe in it. We don't accept it. We think it's a bunch of trivial non news. We're not going to even talk about it next year.

[Filippo]

It's also poorly named.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's not even a salon. Okay, so last week we reported that Toyota was going to debut a secret new mid engine car. And we were speculating because in an Mr. 2 there had been rendering the show. Everyone was excited. The Internet was abuzz. It turned out to be a K car on chunky tires. Yep, that's bs. But even worse than that. And Toyota thinks they pulled the wool over everybody's eyes. No, you just disappointed us. We hate you. Move on to the next one. The Subaru was like we're gonna do an sti. You remember this news story?

[Nick]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

We didn't do an sti. Well, it turned out to be a cosmetic trim package on the wrx. How much more power does less. Less.

[Filippo]

Well, sorry, that's the same horsepower, less torque.

[Doug DeMuro]

In true STI tradition, it's got less performance.

[Filippo]

Yep. And it's also called the STI Sport Sharp.

[Doug DeMuro]

Isn't Sport Sharp like hashtag Sharp? Oh, Sport Sharp is their sport mode. That's what it.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's the name of their sport mod.

[Filippo]

It takes something from. What was the WRX TS spec B which is Jade Japan only. So Brembo brakes, adaptive suspension and ultra suede seats. They added some red and called it an sti.

[Doug DeMuro]

I mean this is the biggest. The Tokyo Auto salon was a complete dud. And if you're an organizer of the Tokyo Auto Salon and you're not, we will never talk about your dud of a show ever again. Did anything important get revealed there like a new overtrail lx?

[Filippo]

No. I will say to the organizer Dot Klon, I still wish I were there. I mean it would have been cool. I wanted to go.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't wish I was there to see what the Sport Sharp.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I mean you're not wrong.

[Doug DeMuro]

The mid engine K vehicle. Aren't you disappointed by this?

[Filippo]

Oh, incredibly. It was so sad. It could have been something good.

[Doug DeMuro]

Could have been something good.

[Nick]

That one was pretty easy to not screw up, right? Like the STI formula has been around forever.

[Doug DeMuro]

Subaru just refuses to. I just, I've tried to make sense of it for a long time and I just think they don't want these people in their showrooms anymore. I think they want to pivot to a different type of company, which is reasonable I guess.

[Nick]

But then why bother? It kind of reminds me of like the AMG trim packages, you know, like all you're really doing is watering down the brand. Like it's just. I don't get it.

[Doug DeMuro]

And by the way, if you're curious whether this will come to the U.S. the answer is we don't care.

[Filippo]

So true.

[Doug DeMuro]

Next story. We're not talking about the Tokyo Auto Salon anymore ever again.

[Filippo]

But we will talk about the FBI.

[Doug DeMuro]

The FBI.

[Filippo]

There have been a bunch of news stories about Cash Patel who heads up the FBI choosing armored BMWs instead of the armored Suburbans.

[Doug DeMuro]

Cash Patel.

[Filippo]

They, they bought. The FBI bought some undisclosed number. Could be a really small number, could be a large number of, of armored X5. And honestly I'm like supportive of this for a couple of reasons. And this is not going to be a popular take, but for a couple.

[Doug DeMuro]

Of reasons, oh wow, we're going to get into politics right now. So why do you support it?

[Filippo]

So these are about half the price of a GM Defense Suburban. Everybody knows that you see a Suburban 2500, it is a federally owned vehicle, period. And so that is maybe a little bit more discreet and also it's half the price.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, yeah, but does it offer the same level of capability?

[Filippo]

Of capability is a good question. Is X5 is capable.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's smaller.

[Filippo]

So you look smaller. It's different. And also it's still built in the U.S. they're built in Spartanburg, South Carolina.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're built Spartanburg, South Carolina by Non Union labor and you got to assume that factored in.

[Filippo]

So I can accept that there is value in having a mix of armored vehicles and I appreciate that they're nevertheless US built.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, I agree with some of what you're saying.

[Filippo]

Not agree with that. Take.

[Doug DeMuro]

I agree with some of what you're saying. I will. GM authority. I will say the one drawback is I'm curious whether it offers the same level of protection. Now when you go to D.C. and you see the armored Suburbans, there are different levels. Clearly you can tell like some of them have completely different wheels and tires which must be some sort of, you know, gun penetrated, can still drive on. And some of them are just on regular wheels and tires. Some of them have a really thick armor in the rear windows and everything. Some of them are less so. Yeah, I don't know.

[Filippo]

I don't know.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is, I will say find out.

[Filippo]

The FBI also has a multimillion dollar multi year deal with GM Defense. So they're still going to be buying Suburbans from them and they Also already had a deal with BMW to build armored diplomatic vehicles. So I suspect they just like bought some additional ones or mixed it.

[Doug DeMuro]

My presumption has been, even though it hasn't really been how they're going to be used, my presumption has been that these are going to be primarily for like big wig FBI people that ride around Langley. Where's Lang? Is that where they are? No, that's the CIA. We got to figure out where the.

[Filippo]

FBI we should look. Probably DC should figure that out. Regardless, get ready for some armored X5.

[Nick]

Let's hope when they armor them, they do the big three while they're in there. Imagine it just breaks down.

[Filippo]

Have you been in a.

[Nick]

The Vanos falls apart.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're saying that you hold down the.

[Nick]

Factory in South Carolina. You can't kill an ls, but a BMW motor, I mean, when need to shoot at it, just make. Make it go 2,000 miles without a service.

[Filippo]

It's the B58, man.

[Nick]

Sitting duck.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's the B58.

[Filippo]

Reliable.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh my God, that's so true. It's a B58.

[Filippo]

It's a great engine. I'm sure. I'm sure.

[Doug DeMuro]

Big three. The big three being what? VANOS, SMG, rod bearings.

[Nick]

I don't know.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm sure they do the rod bearings on the new car. It is. It is armoring. Adds like £2,500. And so you got to assume that's only going to make it worse. Oh my God. While they're in there, comes out of the factory.

[Filippo]

They rebuild it.

[Doug DeMuro]

They install our market, rebuilt the motor.

[Filippo]

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[Doug DeMuro]

All right, move on to our next news story. Oh, speaking of BMW.

[Nick]

Yes. A concept being released and likely to happen in EVM3, which already sounds sacrilegious enough. They are going to draw some cues from Hyundai. It's an electric M3. All right. When I was a child, there was a Chrome M3 and it broke the Internet. And now we have an EV M3. Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, sure. Well, all right.

[Nick]

Chew on that.

[Filippo]

Can I give you some actual information?

[Doug DeMuro]

Quad motor.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

But they say rear wheel drive, so you're gonna be able to dial it.

[Filippo]

You can either dial it or disconnect the front motors.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay.

[Filippo]

It's also be all wheel drive.

[Doug DeMuro]

What other information?

[Filippo]

We have simulated gear shifts up here.

[Doug DeMuro]

Simulated gear shift's a huge deal.

[Nick]

Yeah, it's smart.

[Filippo]

And they did a bunch of deep dives. BMW must have done like a large release earlier this week. But they, they apparently are creating a whole different battery chemical structure to make it so that the motors are a little bit more responsive or like the battery can deliver power a little bit more quickly and that recharge more quickly and do regenerative braking more quickly.

[Doug DeMuro]

BMW thing that's going to fail. Cash Patel should be on one of these.

[Filippo]

Yeah, it's going to be a little.

[Nick]

You're missing the most important part, which is even in camouflage, it looks better than the outgoing M3.

[Doug DeMuro]

The current three looks good.

[Nick]

Look at that. That's great. The grills are a normal size.

[Doug DeMuro]

The current M3 is one of the great cars. And if this becomes the only M3, then everything I've ever said about the current M3 will come true, which is that it was the last and best and that someday we will look back at those grilles and love them.

[Nick]

Can I.

[Filippo]

So there. There's a high performance control unit in the new class M3, apparently. Can you guess what they call it?

[Doug DeMuro]

The Emotion Love Center.

[Filippo]

Oh, you're so close. The heart of joy.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. I mean, this is. This is Germans. Yeah. They name stuff like that because they think they don't. They don't know emotion, but they. They hear words and they.

[Nick]

I drive was when like, everyone had, like, ipod and like, I little. Little I.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right. They hear these things. They're thinking, this must be how Italians feel. They have. I Know they have emotion. They would name something the Heart of Joy. Right. And then they ask the one Italian. Okay, that's all interesting. It is cool.

[Filippo]

It will be cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

It will be cool. I'm excited for it. I hope that they still have a gas engine one.

[Nick]

Yeah, you do. Gotta wonder the segment for sedan EVs high powered. Like ask Lucid how that's going.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, yeah, but the segment for M3s is hot. But those.

[Nick]

This is no longer an M3. It's as much an M3 as the Mustang Mach E is a Mustang.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, no, it's a little different from that. Well, the Mustang Mach E is an SUV hatchback. This M3 sedan, the current M3 is also a sedan.

[Nick]

The M3 is the size of my Grandpoppy's 7 Series. For one. It's no longer a sports car whatsoever.

[Filippo]

I don't know. It's gonna look like the next generation M3 regardless.

[Doug DeMuro]

It'll be priced like that and all that. I just hope they still do a guest version as well. And I have a suspicion that this isn't going to sell in great numbers. You know, somebody wrote into us and they were mad about our EV sales take. They were like EVs were way up last year. Why didn't you say that?

[Filippo]

Because that's not the story. We know what happened.

[Doug DeMuro]

We're trying to change the. We're trying to control the narrative, folks. No, the story is that the incentive goes away. People aren't buying the cars. Yes, overall sales were up. Let's see what happens this year.

[Filippo]

Also global sales were up period.

[Doug DeMuro]

Which we talked about. I do want to see. I'm very curious what happens with a next generation M3 if it's fully electric. I do think that new class thing looks cool.

[Filippo]

Which is what this is based off too.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right.

[Filippo]

This is the new. It's interesting. Right? So every, even manufacturers that are pulled back from EVs. GM has done a huge write down. Ford has done a huge write down of their EV programs. They have all said, their leaders have said they think that the timeline is a little longer. But they still really expect EVs to be the future of their brand. Just instead of being in 2030, it'll be in some year later. Yeah, BMW kind of does need to continue to invest in this to be prepared for that. Will it be selling huge numbers? Maybe, maybe not. But they still need to have it at some point.

[Nick]

Audi did kill the Rs6e tron. You have to imagine the regular Rse tron is not. Not long for the world. Like it's. It's weird. Everyone else is retreating from the segment and BMW's jumping two feet into the deep.

[Filippo]

They're retreating with some model the RS E Tron has. The Etron GT or whatever it's called has been out for a while. At this point it's a pretty dated product. Then they have pushed back release of other ones. This car is not coming out this year, right? Better not.

[Doug DeMuro]

So like it's 27 and we still don't know how the market's going to be. For all we know, there's gonna. This exact car.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

Is going to have a V8.

[Nick]

Also, I think fundamental strategy.

[Filippo]

BMW also, as all the German brands do, focus a lot on Europe as a core market. And I think in Europe the performance EVs are a real play.

[Doug DeMuro]

I guess we'll find out. I'm excited to see. I am excited that some of these details are pretty impressive. Quad motors is cool. Shiftable stuff is cool. And it's got a heart of joy. Move on to the heart of joy. Yes.

[Filippo]

Also a heart of joy. Ford has teased by the time you all are watching this, it will have come out. Because it's coming out tomorrow. There's being revealed tomorrow. But Ford has teased that the Dark Horse Mustang will have a supercharger. They haven't said it. They've implied.

[Doug DeMuro]

We've all been talking about how the GT350 went away and the world is ending. Well now they're coming out with some powerful stuff.

[Nick]

Yep.

[Filippo]

How do you feel about it?

[Nick]

Good. I mean the GTD is so cool. That's the Halo car. Then you need to have the whole product line to support it. This is that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, this has 500 horsepower. The regular dark horse has 500 horsepower already.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

So you gotta figure a blown 1 6ish something. Yep.

[Nick]

You see the commonality here. The Americans are putting out the Corvette xxxt that goes 0 to 60 in 1.6 supercharged Mustang. 500 horsepower isn't enough. Americans are embracing power.

[Doug DeMuro]

Americans are embracing. We're doing power, we're doing big engines. The Japanese are doing dumb stuff nobody wants. And the Germans have that electric thing. So the world really. We thought globalization would bring us all together. Instead, we're getting frayed.

[Nick]

You got to do what you're good at.

[Doug DeMuro]

You got to do monoculture, what you're good at. There's no monoculture even in the automotive industry globally. And on that subject, our next news story.

[Filippo]

The death of the plug in hybrids.

[Doug DeMuro]

Stellantis has killed all of its plug in hybrids. Are you aware of this?

[Nick]

I knew they were on a stop sale. I didn't know that they had just.

[Filippo]

Stop selling because there were a lot of fires.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Filippo]

And so maybe they couldn't fix those fires and have to just stop selling.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, no, we're not going to say that because it's true and it's sketch. The four by Es are gone. So with great fanfare, a couple years ago, Jeep, with all these 4 by ES, which we all called 4XE until they told us we were wrong. Did you? Everyone did. Including you.

[Filippo]

No. 4 by. E. Makes sense, doesn't act.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, but the whole thing.

[Filippo]

4 by 4. 4 by. E. God.

[Doug DeMuro]

Anyway, the point is.

[Nick]

The point.

[Filippo]

We had a journalist for every.

[Doug DeMuro]

No one knew. No one knew. We only saw it written. The point is now it's here and now it's gone.

[Filippo]

It's sad. I'm legitimately sad about this.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wasn't there a time when this was the most popular plugin all of last.

[Filippo]

Year'S membership, the year before that? A lot of that was fleet sales. If you go to your local enterprise or similar, you'll see a lot of Wrangler 4 bytes.

[Doug DeMuro]

They were selling when you got union contracts. Fleet sales fairly silver.

[Filippo]

One time I had to go pick up a like subcompact and like, hey, do you want a four by E? It's like, no, I don't actually. The Wrangler is gone. The Grand Cherokee 4 by E is gone. The Pacifica plug in hybrid.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Pacifica plug in hybrid is gone.

[Filippo]

It's gone. Which is. Which is the only plug in hybrid minivan.

[Doug DeMuro]

That was your favorite?

[Filippo]

That was my dream.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, the general reason it was the only plug in hybrid minivan. However, when I talked to. I have known an enormous number of fairly young parents who are all interested potentially in minivans. And the primary thought about the Pacifica plug in hybrid was, on paper, it looks the best. However, they are afraid it will not work. And I always had to explain to them, you're right, it will not work.

[Filippo]

Correct. Sad but true.

[Doug DeMuro]

It will not ever run.

[Filippo]

Jeep was the most like. Everybody understands broadly in the industry that hybrids and plug in hybrids are the way to electrification. Well, maybe not Solantis, maybe they don't agree. Although I will say Timiskis has said that plug in hybrids will be back.

[Doug DeMuro]

It makes sense that they will.

[Filippo]

Oh my goodness.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, okay, we gotta move on to our. Is that our last news story?

[Filippo]

No, we have one more.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, we gotta move on to our next News story. Which is manual transmissions. This is a seven speed. You know what that car that's in Porsche. Yeah.

[Nick]

All right, Porsche guy. Porsche Puck podcast.

[Doug DeMuro]

Porsche podcast.

[Nick]

Number one Porsche podcast in the world.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. You know, I'm kind of proud of that because Spike was over here saying he was number one, and look at us. Yes, we all three of us have Porsches, including you. And all Nick does is complain about how he doesn't want to talk about Porsches. Me too, by the way. And he's over here driving. Who has driven a Porsche the most?

[Nick]

I know that's what hit me, is that I'm putting 12,000 miles a year on a Porsche. So I. I'm king Porsche guy in this group.

[Doug DeMuro]

Nick's got a $9,000 used Cayenne.

[Filippo]

Congratulations.

[Nick]

I love it, but it's a good car, especially now that I no longer have a bent wheel on it. It drives so much better.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, what's our manual transmission story?

[Filippo]

I apologize. I got stuck on a rug. All right. Our friends at Motor1 asked every manufacturer what the manual take rate was for each model in their lineup. Y. Do you want to guess a few?

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, give me a car.

[Nick]

And I guess I would say is like 4%.

[Filippo]

All right, so BMW M2, M2. Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

15%.

[Filippo]

30. 40% of M2s. Huge number. M3s. We'll keep going.

[Nick]

1535.

[Filippo]

All right, so M3, we know base M3 is available with a manual. 50 of M3s that were available with a manual. Had a manual M3 once. You had an M3 comps. M3. Yeah, whatever. Between 6 and 10%.

[Doug DeMuro]

Huh. That's actually not so bad considering that they really want you to get in the auto because they. The auto has the more power. Yeah.

[Filippo]

CT5B, Blackwing 60.

[Nick]

1548.

[Filippo]

The CD4V was 61. Wow. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

It shows you that there's a very small sliver of people who even want those cars. And that small sliver wants a manual. Wants a manual.

[Filippo]

Similarly, the mirror was 88 manual.

[Doug DeMuro]

What car?

[Filippo]

The Lotus Amira.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. Wow.

[Filippo]

88%.

[Doug DeMuro]

That makes sense. I mean, if you're not. If you're skipping a lot of traditional manufacturers, you want a non traditional experience.

[Filippo]

Let me ask you three more.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay.

[Filippo]

911S, not including GT3s or up, though. They're separated out 2, 3%.

[Nick]

5.

[Filippo]

All right, so if you include all 911, like non GT3 trims. 15%. If you look just at the trims that were available with the manual.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Which I don't remember for 25 some of them 83%.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well I think that's. Isn't that only the crare t?

[Filippo]

I think that the time the base one may have been available with the manual too.

[Doug DeMuro]

But yeah, isn't it 992.2 and it's. Anyway, okay.

[Nick]

I think it switched probably 87% of crot.

[Filippo]

Basically 83% of cruelty's had a manual.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's no surprise.

[Filippo]

That car is.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're buying that one of the great manual cars.

[Filippo]

Similarly 83 of GT3 tourings last year.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, of course, of course.

[Filippo]

And I'll give you one more. The Subaru BRZ.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know 60% manual. Probably higher. 65. What is it?

[Nick]

I feel like Subaru would screw this up. 30%.

[Filippo]

My goodness. Subaru BRZ was 90% manual. Now the GR86 which is identical, only 52% manual. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's lower. One of them is way lower. You know I will say though, when. When they come up for sale. I. I get why you said. But when I've watched them come up for sale, they're always manual.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

Very rare to see an auto.

[Filippo]

Yep. That Tacoma is 1%.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. But that's a. Still probably a pretty big number of cars.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Because BRZ's GR86 is half of 7,000 sales for manuals. One percent of Tacomas. They sell 200,000 Tacomas a year.

[Filippo]

What is interesting is Volkswagen, only the GLI in 2025 was available with the.

[Doug DeMuro]

Really?

[Filippo]

Wow. Because the GTI and Golf R automatic only I looked in 2024 GTS and Golf RS were both around 50% manual tape. Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

And they got rid of them. They got rid of them. How? It is insane. This company is so lost.

[Filippo]

It's so insane.

[Doug DeMuro]

They cannot find their own way. They are such a disaster.

[Filippo]

You have 50% of people choosing it for a manual and yet they are.

[Doug DeMuro]

They got ruined. So what was GLI?

[Filippo]

45%.

[Doug DeMuro]

45%.

[Filippo]

So clearly people still want.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're going to cancel that one too. And they're going to give us. You know what they're going to do after taking a year off with the ID buzz. They're going to come back with a more expensive longer version. Okay.

[Nick]

I love that list he has. If you just average all of them, it's 53%. So if you offer manual more than half the time people take. Did he just say that?

[Filippo]

That doesn reasonable take. But it's not how. I would do that math.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's not how it works. It is.

[Filippo]

I'm going to Be honest with you.

[Nick]

Korea and Tokyo are very close together, but one of, one of on this.

[Filippo]

List is the Pagani utopia, where apparently 75% of them were manual, but they sold three out of four.

[Doug DeMuro]

He's averaging all of them together.

[Nick]

It's math.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right, it's math. You got it. But all right, we got to move on to the talk car segment. Talk car segment is sponsored by Nick is a Porsche guy.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

Nick, a Porsche guy. And I want to start the talk cars segment with some horrible news. Last week I announced, or two weeks ago. I don't remember when we did this podcast last. Feels like an attorney. I announced, you got the car mom. Okay. I announced that I was interested in a Lexus lx. And a couple days later, Kelly, the car mom, who I think is the greatest automotive influencer and I mean that sincerely, she made a video talking about how terrible the Lexus LX is for families. It doesn't have child tethers in the third row. It's too tight. This little bar blocks car seats. It sounds like it's a nightmare, honestly. And Kelly, all she does is take car seats in and out of cars and film them. She's like, it's like an incredible gig. She's really good at this. So she says it's bad. It's bad. So I showed this reel to my wife because we've been talking about how I want an over trail. I want an over trail. I want an over trail. Showed this reel to my wife. She said, we are not under any circumstances getting this car. So I think we're 50. 50.

[Filippo]

Yeah, sounds right. By the way, everything she pointed out were questions. I asked you about your purchase.

[Doug DeMuro]

What do you mean?

[Filippo]

I asked, do you think you can actually fit three people across in the second row?

[Doug DeMuro]

You could fit three across in the second row, no question.

[Filippo]

With two car seats, it is harder.

[Doug DeMuro]

If car seats are.

[Filippo]

I asked whether you had space in the trunk. Of course I did. I asked if you had space in the trunk.

[Doug DeMuro]

You also said there is a ton of space in the trunk.

[Filippo]

Regardless, she and I are on the same page.

[Doug DeMuro]

Look, I think the overtrail, you gotta understand something thing and, and Kelly, I, I, I, I emailed Kelly in a panic after this and, and she got back to me. It was very nice. We had a little exchange in which she told me I should get a, a Defender. She said that that's the best if you want an adventure car 130 that's kid capable. The defender is the one. And I was like, no, I Had one.

[Filippo]

Good.

[Doug DeMuro]

And she said. She called me a unicorn.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

In the sense that what I'm looking for, so many senses, it doesn't really exist.

[Filippo]

And some.

[Doug DeMuro]

Thank you so much. And so I don't know what to do.

[Filippo]

Keep the Sequoia.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, I don't want to keep the Sequoia. Well, here's what I want.

[Filippo]

QX80.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want a car that is off. No. That doesn't have the off road equipment I'm looking for. Absolutely, dude.

[Filippo]

Armada Pro 4X.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want a car. I want to be able to have three across in the back, ideally with car seats, off road capability, great self driving. And I want it to not look like the Sequoia, like when I'm driving it around. I don't want people to think that guy was there on January 6, you know what I'm saying? I don't want it to look. And I've said that. I'm on the record saying I don't want it to look a little Republican. That's like totally fine with me. We have an E class wagon, which in my opinion is the most subtle Republican car. I just don't want it to look like I am literally carrying around a trove of firearms in the trunk. Do you know what I'm saying? Right.

[Nick]

We can't do a Tahoe.

[Doug DeMuro]

Tahoe I think is less so out there. But I also want it to last for a long time. And so we can't do a Tahoe. Dude. I haven't. Neighbor who bought a Tahoe. Diesel dude's getting 800 miles on a tank of gas. 800 miles on a tank of gas. This car won't last. That's, that's my problem with Land Rover. I want, I want to buy this car and I never want to talk about buying a daily driver again as long as I live. Ever.

[Filippo]

That's going to be tough. Also their configurator doesn't look.

[Doug DeMuro]

That says everything you need to know. Anyway, the car mom has talked me out of Alexis lx. I am screwed now.

[Nick]

Does that mean. And I hate to ask a question and prolong more discussion over this car I could care less about, but does that mean Felipe's attempts to lowball the selling dealer did not.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can I tell you what happened? Okay, so I need to know. I mentioned this is a great story. There's a great ending to this. I mentioned last week on the pod that I was particularly interested in this one LX over trail at a dealer in Chicago. It was CPO and I only want a CPO car. They're like 15 grand off. The warranty's longer. I only want to see. I don't care about the mileage. So Filippo reaches out like 20 times.

[Filippo]

I want to. Give me a deal.

[Nick]

Give me a deal.

[Doug DeMuro]

The dealer's like, we won't go. We won't deal. We won't deal. This is our price. This is our price.

[Filippo]

Price. Okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

A few days later, they email Filippo and they're like, we're going to come down on price $500. And then Filippo's like, okay, I want to deal on that number. And they're like, nope, we're firm now at this number.

[Filippo]

They said by emailing me that they were firm at their asking, which was 111something. Yeah. Two days later, I get an automated email saying the price on the car you, like, reached out about went down $500. So I emailed them. They didn't email me proactively. Everyone's like, do you have a little bit of extra flexibility now? No, the firm.

[Doug DeMuro]

By the way, the car's been out there a lot since October. I'm not particularly interested in this car anymore because I don't want to deal with all this.

[Nick]

And then didn't Sean, the producer, Sean se a car did email them also, and Sean claimed he got it down, like 20 grand. And then they went quiet.

[Doug DeMuro]

I told him I would hit it at 102. And he. Because they want 112. He said he got him to 102. But then for some reason, they never call I ever saw a sales contract got him to.

[Filippo]

Got him to 102.

[Doug DeMuro]

Anyway, I'm not sure if I should even do this anymore. I reached out to the press car people, which I never do, and I said, can I get a press car? That's to figure out if it's going to work with my family. And they said they don't have one anymore, so we're screwed.

[Filippo]

Dude, you're not getting an Alex 700.

[Doug DeMuro]

Why not? My sports cars. You finish it for me. No, my sports cars have three pedals, and my SUVs have three lockers. Am I right?

[Nick]

I don't think I have those.

[Doug DeMuro]

You have neither three lockers.

[Nick]

You do not. Or pedals.

[Doug DeMuro]

And you do not have three pedals.

[Nick]

So it's unclear what will work in the Land Rover at any given time. But if I had three lockers, they would not have three. I'd have one and a half. We just. Just don't.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. Anyway, that's the situation with that.

[Filippo]

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[Doug DeMuro]

We gotta talk also about the Coinbase nsx. So yes, look at this. This is one of the craziest things that we've ever done on cars and bits. We've got this deal with Coinbase. Can you introduce the promotion and talk about the car?

[Filippo]

All right, so we are working with Coinbase which is like the largest American cryptocurrency exchan exchange, right for bitcoin and all other cryptos to auction the zenisex off for USDC which is a stablecoin pegged to the US dollar.

[Doug DeMuro]

So we find this NSX. This car has 320,000 miles. We plucked it out of the Midwest. It's a one owner car and we're now auctioning it on the site. Remains a one owner car because we didn't title it.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And so you can be the second owner of this 320,000 mile 95 NSX2. I drove this car around. We're doing some real work to the car to make sure that it's like really prepped and ready for sale. I mean it's going to be like really, really ready to go. However, I drove the car pre engine work and it drove amazingly. And we've all been talking in the office about how there's no way any Ferrari would have made it to 320,000 miles, let alone drive as well. You couldn't tell. This car had no wear. Everything was perfect. The only thing when we got it and the only item in the entire interior that was worn was the cruise control button which I think gives you an idea of how the previous owner was. So it's you know, a lot of engine time at low. At idle speeds on freeways. But it was incredible to drive this car. No other exotic car I can think of could do this kind of miles and stay in this kind of shape. Proving the testament what everybody's always said about the nsx. It was like a Ferrari but a reliable one. And this car is that it's truly.

[Filippo]

We have service records going back a long way but it's not like this required like monthly maintenance to get to that point. No, it just didn't. It was a high.

[Doug DeMuro]

A Honda.

[Filippo]

It's a honda.

[Doug DeMuro]

The dude did 320000 miles in a Honda like you might do in an odyssey taking your kids to hockey games.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

And but it was an nsx.

[Filippo]

He was an engineer or something of that sort in Indiana and like just clearly drove it on the highway. And to be fair he had it for 30 years.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And did 3000 miles, 10000 miles a year. Ish. Like that's a normal use for yourself though.

[Doug DeMuro]

He told us. Go back to the the. He told us that he. He initially bought an automatic. Wasn't this story. And he realized it wasn't for him, replaced it with a manual and he had the automatic for like six months. Placed it with a manual and it for 30 years had it since it's at 320,000.

[Filippo]

The condition of.

[Doug DeMuro]

Have you driven this car? No, it's really not. Have you driven it?

[Filippo]

No. Somehow.

[Doug DeMuro]

So, so, so nice. Look at that. 82.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's a lot of money. Back in 95.

[Nick]

Yeah it is.

[Filippo]

And then he added a CD changer.

[Doug DeMuro]

CD changer.

[Filippo]

How much do you think that is.

[Nick]

For 900 bucks at that day current.

[Doug DeMuro]

Probably one hundred and sixty. One hundred and seventy.

[Filippo]

One hundred and seventy five thousand.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Nick]

How much was the CD charger in today's money?

[Doug DeMuro]

Eighteen hundred bucks. Dub's about double.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

Double, yeah.

[Filippo]

1900, 1800 bucks for a CD changer.

[Doug DeMuro]

But think about how many hours he was listening to CD Kn.

[Filippo]

Crazy. I'm excited about the auction. This car is just wild. There are no comps but yeah, no comp. We have no idea, we have no.

[Doug DeMuro]

Idea what to tell you to pay for it. No NSX has ever come up with miles like this. The ones that have high miles tend to have been passed around to 14 people and they're lowered which is is a fine like there's. The community deserves cheaper ones to. But this car isn't that like oe wheels. Like this is a clean, clean, clean.

[Filippo]

Cleaning with a lot in maintenance. We're getting a bunch of work done at like the shop in Southern California for these cars.

[Nick]

It's also and I apologize if you already said this and I tuned out but there's no accidents. No. Like statistically driving 300 some thousand miles.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Someone's going to rear end you, you're going to scrape a door like Hoovy.

[Doug DeMuro]

Did with skull win in intersections and I, I, I honestly bet 300,000 of the miles.

[Nick]

Is this guy working like a hot shot rig? Like that's crazy.

[Filippo]

It was just, it's over 30 years.

[Nick]

Yeah, I know.

[Filippo]

Still no accidents, no rust. The body looks great.

[Doug DeMuro]

Car was clean despite being an idiot.

[Nick]

Is this your goal for the Fiat 500? Another 25 years, 10,000 miles?

[Filippo]

My goal for the Fiat 500 is to either drop it off a cliff or sell it.

[Nick]

Yeah, that's what people have been saying, but it's. I door dinged it earlier getting into that Lexus.

[Filippo]

I told Kenneth Kenan asked whether he could do a video cleaning it and I said I don't care. And I also said that I am ambivalent between him doing a video cleaning it and him doing a video showing you how to key a car. I care the same amount.

[Doug DeMuro]

Sean is telling me that the NSX was driven every year to the guy's summer house in Florida.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

Probably he means winter house in Florida. I would assume.

[Filippo]

Yeah, you don't.

[Doug DeMuro]

But that explains also why there's no rust because presumably it wasn't in Indiana during that time.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

What a special car. Super excited to see what it sells for. Obviously happy to do the partnership with Coinbase, who's been a wonderful partner in this and very supportive of us finding this really special car and doing this promotion, which I think is really cool. But I'm especially excited to see where the market values this car. I'll tell you this from a drivability perspective, from a usability perspective, it feels like a car with 30,000 miles. The market will not value it at that number. Number, yes. But then you got to wonder, like, where does it. I don't know. Yeah.

[Filippo]

Don't have any idea. I. Before I bought my 911, we've obviously had this car around for a little bit as we were filming all the content. We knew it was going to come up for sale. I've considered.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. Just buying it.

[Filippo]

I don't think that it's that different in price.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

From like. But it could be worth it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's an amazing car. It's also a lot of fun to drive. It is. That car is so well balanced and the shifter and clutch are so slick. It is just such a nice car.

[Filippo]

I'm worried it'll be a real pricey car. Not worried. I mean, like, great.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't think so. I think the market is going to hit it for the miles, but someone who buys it who wants a driver is going to get really, really, really agreeable.

[Filippo]

The second owner of a 1995 NSX.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want to talk about Mickey's Hot Dogs in Mesa.

[Filippo]

Yeah, gladly. I'm going to be at the. An event that we're throwing alongside Avant, like a car community during Arizona Car Week.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Or Arizona Auction Week, whatever they're. They're calling it down there to try to make it a thing on Friday the 23rd. I will be there. Nick, I believe will be there, but Nick has not made any hot dog offers.

[Doug DeMuro]

Is this event. It's. It's not actually at Mickey's. It's near Mickey's.

[Filippo]

It's near Mickey's. It is at a place called the Warehouse.

[Doug DeMuro]

Is it. Is this event open to the public or do you have.

[Filippo]

You have to. You have to be an advance member or we have some number of reserved entries. If you enter from our community post, that is.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. So we link the community post, if you go on to the events part of Cars and Bids, you'll see this there. You can enter and you can get in or you can join Avants, which is a really cool, like car social organization. And again, the best car. Filippo is going to take you out afterwards to Mickey's Hot Dogs. Folks. I don't know if you've been to Mickey's, but it's over on. It's over on. It's on Broadway and McDonald there in Mesa and it's great stuff. They get relish there. Nick, you ever Been to Mickey's?

[Nick]

No, I've been to the Wiener Circle in Chicago.

[Doug DeMuro]

You ever spend time in Mesa, Nick?

[Nick]

Yeah, of course. I mean, I lived in Tempe. This was like backyard Tempe. Mesa is like. There's very blurry distinction, Nick.

[Doug DeMuro]

You never went over to Mickey's at that time. Time.

[Nick]

Been a vegetarian for 20 years, you know.

[Doug DeMuro]

You think Mickey's doesn't have a vegetarian menu?

[Nick]

They might.

[Filippo]

I'll.

[Nick]

I'll go. The. The.

[Filippo]

The.

[Nick]

The caveat here with this contest is I'm either bringing the multiple or the slr. Either way, I have a good odd of winning Felipe's favorite card.

[Doug DeMuro]

I just clicked on the menu for cookies. Here are the options. Tacos, tortas, burritos, tostadas, drinks. That's it.

[Nick]

No hot dogs.

[Doug DeMuro]

Will not be buying you a hot dog at Mickey's, but he might buy you a tostada. Mickey's had to change when the. When. When. When Phoenix changed Mickey right along with it. Had to adapt.

[Filippo]

Do we think that our. You. Everybody watching is incredibly surprised that Nick, with everything they know about Nick, is a vegetarian.

[Doug DeMuro]

I can't believe he only just revealed it, folks. Nick is a vegetarian. There was a time he's a vegan, but I pried him back into reality with pizza.

[Nick]

I. I also eat fish, and if I know the person that's killed the animal, I eat it. Like, the last I had, I think, was elk.

[Doug DeMuro]

Maybe up at your father's bed.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

In Wyoming. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Nick goes up to Wyoming every so often, and he texts us and he says, I couldn't move here.

[Nick]

Yeah, I said the same thing with Arizona last week.

[Doug DeMuro]

And then he.

[Nick]

Yeah, you know, Arizona has, like, no laws. You can just do whatever you want. We went to a pool, and kids are just, like, belly flopping off of structures.

[Doug DeMuro]

They've outlawed belly flopping in California. It's not actually Imperial County. You can still belly. But here in San Diego county and in Orange county, you're not even allowed to get in there.

[Filippo]

It is tied to whether they have emissions restrictions or not.

[Nick]

There was, like, no lifeguards, nothing. I get back, I can't even get a grocery bag. They don't have lights.

[Filippo]

You're supportive.

[Nick]

That's crazy.

[Filippo]

We gotta move on. All right.

[Doug DeMuro]

Move on to Arizona's amazing. We want to move on to Nick talking about his next project card. Nick, go ahead.

[Nick]

Well, there's a lot to unpack here.

[Filippo]

There sure is.

[Nick]

The multiplayer I'm done with. I've given it to Philippo.

[Filippo]

I'm done with it.

[Nick]

Yeah, no, Filippo's got it. And he's like, nick, do you know it's leaking fluid everywhere?

[Filippo]

I'm like, yes, I. I knew that.

[Nick]

I was. Disclosed that to you?

[Doug DeMuro]

Sorry.

[Nick]

I don't know.

[Filippo]

When I got in the car, there was some. Some light on the dash that I didn't recognize. So I checked it.

[Doug DeMuro]

The glow plugs.

[Nick]

There's a glow plug, and then there's.

[Doug DeMuro]

When you first turn it on, a light comes on the glow plugs.

[Filippo]

No, no, no. There was one that sustained. That was an injector really light.

[Nick]

We're working on it.

[Doug DeMuro]

When I drove home. I want to be clear, though. This car has not been given. Given to Filippo. It's not like your car. Now we sell this car on car.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

If you're waiting for a bad multiply.

[Nick]

No, it's the best multiply, which is still a bad multiple. But, like.

[Doug DeMuro]

So you remember when Nick sold his bad color Murcielaga now sell his good color but bad multiply. Well, in one of these days, he's gonna just have a good car. God. Fleet coffee this weekend. Yeah. And Perry's asking. Nick, I don't know, were you around for this? My friend Perry came to from Atlanta. He came down here.

[Filippo]

Hi, Perry.

[Doug DeMuro]

And. And we were asking. Perry was like, nick, this slr. Pretty nice. Nice car. What's the problem? How many miles? And nick said, oh, 5,000 miles. Perry said, I can't believe you only paid. Whatever. Nick said, yeah, it was a really good deal.

[Nick]

I don't know.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I'm sitting there listening to this, and I go, nick, it was on fire. And Nick's like, oh, you know, yeah, there was a fire. I get. He was gonna. He was trying to just, like, mentally trying not to.

[Nick]

Insane fire was a long time ago, buddy.

[Filippo]

Can I say two things about the multiple? Because I drove it a bunch.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Which was the light.

[Nick]

Let's hear it.

[Filippo]

First of all, when I lived in Italy, my family had two Fiats. We had three or two of that key, and it just felt so, like, correct.

[Doug DeMuro]

It brought Filippo back to his childhood when he would go to the town square and play soccer until dinner time, until it got dark with the little kids. The town square next to the church.

[Filippo]

We actually had, like, a little long driveway next to a church, as it were. And we'd play in that long driveway or in the church parking lot, but steadily.

[Nick]

Really? There's always trash.

[Filippo]

There always is. But it was so good in that way also, I decided that it's the least Antagonistic car. Like, you can't look angry at somebody because it's all windows. Like, you're in a 911, you're my. Or even like the GTI, like, there's some tint.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's low.

[Filippo]

You don't have that much visibility. Kind of like it's like an angry seing car. Yeah, you can't. You have to be nice to your neighbors and multiple multipla. Because they can see everything. Yeah, it's like a very, like, friendly car.

[Doug DeMuro]

So.

[Nick]

And they're looking.

[Filippo]

There's a lot of sociology about.

[Doug DeMuro]

A lot of people are looking.

[Filippo]

There's a lot of sociology about how people, when they're in their cars, like, disconnect a little bit and, like, feel a sense of protection and like.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

You feel exposed rudely as a result of that space multiple. Not true.

[Doug DeMuro]

So you're driving it, but you're gonna stop driving it because the last guy who drove it around a little bit, it broke down and had. And it's been like two weeks. Yeah, it's good for now.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I am 100%.

[Doug DeMuro]

When you buy this car, it's really worth.

[Filippo]

It's the only multiple here, and it's so delightful as a result. I love it.

[Nick]

It's got a little leak, but. So that's selling soon. When we do our amazing adventure series that's going to be coming live to the the channels, which means I've already want to spend the money I haven't collected yet.

[Doug DeMuro]

On which, by the way, four grand. That curs with four grand.

[Filippo]

No, no, it'll do.

[Nick]

Well, I'm in at like 15, so I really hope you're wrong.

[Doug DeMuro]

That car.

[Filippo]

Are you going to do anything to try to. To make the paint or interior look nicer?

[Nick]

I thought about it.

[Doug DeMuro]

15 when it's in that shape.

[Nick]

Well, I spent like 13 getting it here. Then like 100 kilani.

[Filippo]

You'll get the money back legitimately. Oh, there is no.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'll bet you $1,000 right now that thing doesn't even get close to 15.

[Nick]

Well, I'm just going to assume it brings 15 to 20.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. All right.

[Nick]

And I'll tack that on some. The Arnage funds and the car that you lost. I've got a considerate sum of money here to spend on the next project.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. All right. So. So to me, you're at.

[Filippo]

You're at.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're like negative 20 to you. You're up like 30. All right.

[Nick]

It's just cash, right? We're doing cash basis here. It doesn't matter. The past is the past. Much like the fire in the slr, it happened a long time ago and it doesn't matter.

[Doug DeMuro]

I love your point being that you got paid for the Arnaz. Even though you lost a lot of money, you still got $17,000 money in.

[Nick]

A low interest savings account that needs to be invested more wisely.

[Filippo]

Next P L is just the profit part. Yeah. There's no expenditures.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's just accounts payable. That's exactly. Rather that's exactly what what it is he the actual spend to purchase the car doesn't make it onto the the statement, only what he gets back.

[Filippo]

Which is great accounting.

[Doug DeMuro]

And by the way, by the way, I think even if you figured that he still lost on the Oracle so bad.

[Filippo]

What are you considering?

[Nick]

Part of me. So the SRT10 RAM is still very high on the list.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Hard to find one that's meeting my specific needs. But there is one in Phoenix that I want to check out when we're back for car week.

[Filippo]

You want podcast cab, right?

[Nick]

I do want quad cab, which is a bummer for the trans because you get an auto.

[Doug DeMuro]

But you could probably swap him.

[Filippo]

Are you probably swap how small the rear doors are?

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, what's the rear look like?

[Nick]

I got small kids. They don't need to be big doors.

[Doug DeMuro]

What's the rear look like? Can we give this to the car? Pretty tight. Kelly. Yeah. She's got four kids. Dude.

[Nick]

Dude, look. The three of them right there. It's wide.

[Doug DeMuro]

What about the other?

[Filippo]

Throw some in the bed.

[Nick]

She's like one of them has to be older.

[Doug DeMuro]

She's like never going to to put her kids in the bed.

[Nick]

You, on the other hand, meanwhile, the multiply the. The seat belts don't even lock. Like they're just loosely.

[Doug DeMuro]

Multiple is dangerous for adults. You know, kids alike.

[Filippo]

As a kid, that was a safe car. Yeah, that was a family vehicle.

[Nick]

I there's an R63 that just went live on Facebook Marketplace previously sold on cars and bids that I'm 80% sure is a scam, but might be real.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. Announcing this.

[Filippo]

Yeah, people, it's fine. You have two days to buy this.

[Nick]

It's a free month market.

[Doug DeMuro]

If you're on Facebook Marketplace in Valley Stream, New York, which is just north of the city. You're now competition for nick on this R63. Go for it, people.

[Nick]

If they beat me to the punch, they're welcome to have it. The guy asked to FaceTime right now to show it to me.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do that. You didn't do that.

[Nick]

I can call him right now if you want on air, but I figured.

[Doug DeMuro]

We'Ll wait right after.

[Nick]

Okay, then. I really want an E55 wagon to manual swap. But that one's the hardest to find of all of them.

[Filippo]

I think that S211. Right?

[Doug DeMuro]

That car is not. Didn't you. Didn't you ever see the ad with the monster?

[Filippo]

No, I'm sorry. What?

[Nick]

That guy that put him in volks like that. You couldn't mess with these cars. They're not.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're in. Yeah, but it's not. It's not about keeping the car original. I just don't think that the character of the car lends itself. It's a big like fast, straight line situation.

[Nick]

My car's got one or two diff lockers and my, you know, the SUVs have a manual. I don't know. Third row, my wagons.

[Filippo]

Third row was there. It was available for you as a line.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, that's so true.

[Filippo]

It's okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

My cars have three rows in my. But even then it wouldn't have been.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

E63s are pretty cheap. But he wants the blown V8, which I agree with. I actually owned this body, E63. And I prefer the E55.

[Nick]

If I do a 63, I want the R. If I do a 55, I want the wagon.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, I think that makes sense.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, I'm excited for you. I hope this goes in certain directions and I hope it doesn't go in other directions. So we'll see.

[Nick]

You want a Ram?

[Doug DeMuro]

Here's my order of preference. R63. Although I think you'll get tired of it even quicker than the multiply E55 wagon at Nice. And really hope you don't manual swap it. And then lowest on the list is the ramp. Only because it's a tip. The stick ones are cool as hell.

[Nick]

There's also a maybach57 I've been sending to the group. Yeah, They've dropped the price. It's got 136,000 miles. But at some price you got to say yes. Right. And I don't know what that price is, but it's. It starts with a two.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Yep. We haven't sold one in a 60. 57 in forever.

[Nick]

Yeah. And non s. But it's fine.

[Filippo]

They're pretty cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

So you're going to become a Mercedes Benz man.

[Filippo]

Just for now.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're going to.

[Nick]

Until the BMW M3 EV comes out. Then we'll switch.

[Filippo]

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[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. I'm thrilled with that. Speaking of things I think you should consider, I want to move on to the market report.

[Nick]

All right.

[Doug DeMuro]

The market report, by the way, is brought to you by Cars and Bids.

[Filippo]

I'm proud of you.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's an auction website, I think. Okay, click. Type in quattroporte there. Ooh, Nick, I know we don't like these quattroportes, but are you old? This is a 12 car.

[Filippo]

You know what?

[Nick]

I saw one on the road the other day, and I swear to God, I. I thought, that looks pretty cool. Let us see the mile. They're long and menacing and.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, they're long and menacing. Like, the Ghibli's kind of sucked, but, like, click on. Click on.

[Nick]

It kind of looks like a gangster.

[Filippo]

Car, you know, like, yeah, that. That.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like a gangster.

[Nick]

And I was like, I would not disrespect that guy's wife. You know?

[Doug DeMuro]

But if it was a Ghibli, you would. You would disrespect his wife, his children, his whole family. I agree.

[Nick]

I'd be like, they probably had it coming.

[Doug DeMuro]

They probably had it coming. But this Car. You see him and you're like, I don't know.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Like, that guy knows some dangerous people.

[Doug DeMuro]

He knows some people or he is one of those people.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Go to the interior. It looked nice and stuff, but then.

[Filippo]

He chose the Oregon vineyard place.

[Doug DeMuro]

The wine country. Yeah. Well, it's unreadable that. Let me tell you something. If you live in a lot of wet. If you're ever wondering why someone has chosen a specific license plate in some states, it's unreadable.

[Filippo]

Y.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's why we don't actually want to save the manatee in Florida. We don't care. We're different to the manatee. But the license plate is unreadable.

[Filippo]

Yeah. A lot of what? Also, I forgot that ignition was on the left.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't know that I ever knew.

[Filippo]

That you reviewed one of these. These cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't think I did ever review a quattroporte of this.

[Filippo]

After the Ghibli.

[Nick]

You were like 1 for 12.

[Doug DeMuro]

They did a V8. So I agree with you that the. The true Italian quattroporte, the one you had, is like the real one, but at 12.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

And it kind of looks cool. It kind of looks like people aren't disrespecting your family.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Same. I mean, your point on the Levante was also true. Right. Like, they're laughably bad at retailed new, but at some point you're like, this is kind of a logical thing to do.

[Doug DeMuro]

Totally. And I always felt the Levante drove pretty well. I. I never thought BL drove that well. But this car, I bet is okay. Especially at 12. What does the back seat look like?

[Filippo]

You know, pretty nice.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, my God.

[Filippo]

Apologize. I started to watch your Ghibli review.

[Nick]

Oh, wow, those pillows.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do you think the car mom would. Would be supportive of this?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

From now on, I'm only going to buy cars if I run them by the car mom first.

[Filippo]

That's cool.

[Nick]

I think you need a collab here.

[Doug DeMuro]

I went on her pod once. I love. I. I'm telling you, she's the greatest automotive influencer.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And then her and Harry.

[Filippo]

Harry's Garage. Same vibe. Yep. Yeah. You could put some couple car seats. You'd hurt the leather. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't think this. I think this is like Chrysler stuff.

[Nick]

The car's hurt, you know, it's.

[Doug DeMuro]

So anyway, they did a V8. Can you pull up Quattroporte?

[Nick]

Is 12 an outlier or. That's what they got.

[Doug DeMuro]

85,000, 88,000 miles. But can you Pull up quattroporte sort by like newest or highest price or something. Like I wanna know what the V8s went for. This one. GTS. Yeah, that's a very V8.

[Filippo]

That's a V8. But that was in 21.

[Doug DeMuro]

That click on that.

[Filippo]

Can't imagine it's more now.

[Doug DeMuro]

Nick 31. This car actually looks pretty cool. And it's got a big old V. What was the horsepower rating? 525 horsepower.

[Nick]

You know, you got mad at me when I got rid of my P38 and replaced it with another P38.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

That's better, don't you think? Replacing my quattroporte for another quattroporte.

[Doug DeMuro]

You'd rather have a rapid rapids are big money. They're like double this.

[Nick]

They're like 30, 35.

[Filippo]

Are they?

[Doug DeMuro]

They're not 60, I thought they're like 60.

[Nick]

The facelift ones are, but the pre facelift you can find them under 40.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do lowest price.

[Nick]

Stradman bought his for like 37 from a dealer.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, yeah.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

This one had 200000 miles.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Which is 200000 world.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's the NSX.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

The one owner NSX.

[Nick]

The opposite of the NSX.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Yeah. I mean look at that liar there. But yeah, they're. They're in the 40s, man.

[Doug DeMuro]

V12. I forgot these had a V12.

[Filippo]

Look at that.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're talking about one of these. Is this on your list or not?

[Nick]

Oh, for sure.

[Filippo]

In Madagascar they terrified me.

[Nick]

And that's coming from somebody who owned an ornage. It terrifies me.

[Doug DeMuro]

I would much rather have this in anage. In terms of ownability, I think this is a way more ownable.

[Filippo]

It can't be much worse.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, for one thing it's considerably newer.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Plus again, if you're buying it 30 some, you know, how much can you get killed?

[Filippo]

12 grand.

[Doug DeMuro]

Even though he bought his arnage for 19, he still managed to lose over 20. Okay. The other market port I want to talk about is the R8. Then we got to move on to questions. Yeah, pull it up. You see this?

[Filippo]

What a sale.

[Doug DeMuro]

Nick, you see this?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Nick is an R8. And Nick owned an R8. A stick V8.

[Filippo]

I can't use computers.

[Nick]

Oh no. Yes. Well, you guys had like the best R8 of the gen ones or gen.

[Filippo]

1.5, I guess there have been others that have sold in the last nine months on other platforms and there was one that was. Should have been nicer. Half the miles that sold for 215.

[Doug DeMuro]

I was like, bring the trailer. He doesn't want to say bring the trailer. But I'll say bring the trailer. Bring the trailer. Head one with 6,000 miles. 6,000 miles. That sold for 215. So ours was sitting at 220 over the weekend.

[Nick]

Premium plus. Gated.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was a gated plus. It was a gated plus. I don't know about premium plus is.

[Filippo]

A trim level in.

[Nick]

Yeah, you're right. This plus whatever.

[Doug DeMuro]

V10. Premium plus. If only we'd had a V10 prestige.

[Filippo]

Prestige.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but. So they had one and it only sold for 215. That was only in March. So it was less than a year ago. And so I assumed this would be around there. Now, this is a special color, but it's this panther black, which to me.

[Nick]

I will say it's pretty cool in the sun. But it's subtle.

[Doug DeMuro]

But it's very subtle. It's not like Samoa.

[Filippo]

The one on Bring a Trailer was a different 101 black.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, really? It was also a one on one black. Regardless, this one brings 261. And I think that this illustrates a couple things. First off, bring the trailer. But secondly.

[Filippo]

So good.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I mentioned this in that weekly report email I send out every week. If you think the R8 is going up in value, this car leads the chart. Like, this is the king R8. I think it's the. You said it's the best gen one. I think it's the best R8 ultimately because you get the V10, you get the plus, and you have a gated. The second gens weren't offered with a stick.

[Nick]

Right, Right.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

To me, like, there is probably no better R8 in the world. There might be some really cool colors or some even lower miles. Like there might be one or two better cars. Like this is it.

[Nick]

Go find one.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, they come up every two years.

[Filippo]

They made eight manual plus some low number.

[Nick]

The other interesting thing about R8 owners is they grow to love the cars, become obsessed, and then they eventually say, I wish I had a nicer one.

[Filippo]

Yeah, right.

[Nick]

Like they don't. They. They become R8 loyalists and they think like, this is my favorite one. I just wish it had a V10.

[Doug DeMuro]

Two of my three R8 owner friends ended up getting a better RA. Yeah, not you, though.

[Filippo]

Not you.

[Doug DeMuro]

One SLR, you got a Mercy. That's an even better RA.

[Nick]

Y but in. And at that price point, you could find an E gear and have a little swap budget. But it would Never be nice.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm curious, who buys this at 260? It's a lot of money for an R8. Although if it's going to happen, this is the one. But I'm curious, like, does that person already have 10 other exotics and then. Or is he deciding? Because at 260 I probably prefer your stick swap mercy to this car.

[Nick]

They're very different though. This is way more usable.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but I'm not looking for useful. But. But that's.

[Nick]

What if you've already scratched that itch?

[Doug DeMuro]

Who is the person who's trying to find a usable but very special because you can't really use this.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's. There's. You got to keep this pretty preserved y. It's a very valuable car if you wanted to use one. You could find a lot of other R8s.

[Nick]

I'm willing to bet the person had owned an R8 before.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, yeah.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Like that's. That's the demo for this.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't think you'd understand what makes this car so special unless you had. Yeah. Yep.

[Filippo]

Very cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

Very cool. Sarah. I was super happy to host this car. It was really. The seller did a great job presenting it. It was just a really, really special car.

[Nick]

The. The owner is our. Our friend Sam. In the future. He's gone from a boxer spider and then he starts upping.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't think Sam gets.

[Filippo]

Sam's not spending too safe.

[Nick]

He might.

[Filippo]

He might.

[Nick]

This one for the right price.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, I gotta move on to questions. The questions, of course, are sponsored by. By Nick rochon. Oh, that's YouTube channel, which has the greatest automotive content. Folks, Nick put up a post this week about two weeks ago about how he spent the winter, the Christmas holiday in Arizona. Lowballing people.

[Nick]

I'm still lowballing people. Yeah, I'm deep into a rabbit hole now of used tires. Oh my God, you are a. I'm over budget on the P38. I did a lift kit, no question about it. And the lift kit on stock wheels looks terrible.

[Doug DeMuro]

It does, but I don't want to.

[Nick]

Like, a new set of tires is like another couple grand.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like you're digging this hole yourself. I told you when it started.

[Nick]

I'm calling about Lantas. That's Spanish tires.

[Filippo]

No, the Spanish word. That pronunciation is going to get you.

[Nick]

I know. I'm not getting very far.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're trying to get. What are you trying to let me.

[Nick]

If you are Louise and you're listening to this, please respond to your DMs on Facebook. Facebook. I will take them for your asking price.

[Filippo]

Nick, you have a real career. You put your family in these cars. One of them is an slr.

[Doug DeMuro]

Also, it's Louise. Not Louise.

[Filippo]

Can you just buy not used tire.

[Nick]

Out of the P38 project is about embracing.

[Doug DeMuro]

What tire are you trying to find?

[Nick]

I don't think either Falcon Wild Peak or Kot.

[Doug DeMuro]

There are used Falcon Wild peaks out there that like, people are selling that fit.

[Nick]

They're a little rare in 16s, but we're fine.

[Filippo]

We're.

[Nick]

We're hunting them down.

[Doug DeMuro]

The new set, like expensive.

[Nick]

1300 bucks.

[Filippo]

What if you get cheaper newer tires?

[Nick]

I don't want like off brand.

[Filippo]

I will okay with them. They come up with great 15, 000 miles.

[Doug DeMuro]

Sidewalls ripped.

[Nick]

You also, you go to these used tire places. They quote installed prices. They don't do any of this, like gimmicks with recycling.

[Filippo]

And.

[Nick]

And you just. They knock it out real quick. Like it's not like. Like a normal tire place where you got to deal with all this stuff.

[Filippo]

I do like that about use tire places. They're usually quite quick and efficient.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

So you're going to do this.

[Nick]

There's a lot of them are like in Chula and stuff. So I was hoping to do it right before or after the pod, but.

[Doug DeMuro]

Hey, how much are you into your free P38, Mr. Freefree?

[Filippo]

10.

[Nick]

394.

[Doug DeMuro]

10. 394. Pre tires.

[Nick]

Pre tires.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

That's why I'm trying to keep tires like 300 bucks.

[Doug DeMuro]

Have a glove box? Is the.

[Nick]

I have a glove box. It's just not attached.

[Doug DeMuro]

Is the stereo installed? How many. No. How many warmers?

[Nick]

The stereo is installed. There's buzzing noise.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay.

[Nick]

So I removed this speaker that's buzzing and it moved to another speaker. But I couldn't tell. I removed the tweeter and then I found out afterwards it was actually the lower speaker. So I'm down three speakers now and it's still buzzing. It's a disaster. I think I'm gonna go for AirPods after all of that.

[Filippo]

Include that in the budget, then.

[Nick]

That's $299 cars. I didn't put the door card back on because I ordered new speakers. And so I've got no door card, no gloves. Bucks. You drove buzzing speakers? Yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is.

[Nick]

I gotta go pick up my kids after this.

[Doug DeMuro]

You got a two. You got an slr, dude.

[Filippo]

He's the only person that owns that SLR that's also shopping for used tires for free. P38 that doesn't have speakers or door panels.

[Nick]

Don't go broke making a profit. All right?

[Doug DeMuro]

You're not gonna make a profit. You haven't made a profit on any of these cars. You can't pull Manny Kosh. But on me. He sold his. His mega church for like 2x. You selling any mega church torches?

[Nick]

Maybe one of these car. Which one? They're unrealized losses. It's. It's way back.

[Filippo]

Okay.

[Nick]

It looked different. The car. It was seven grand.

[Doug DeMuro]

It looked different. It looked better.

[Filippo]

The car that you were given for free, somebody has ascribed $7200 in value to. You think it's now worth over 10? What profit are you.

[Nick]

Wait. Wait till you see it with the new tires.

[Filippo]

I saw with the lift.

[Nick]

Also the worst part is I took out the old navigation and radio and for you to. I filmed myself running over it. But the carplay connected and turned off the video as I was doing it. So I lost. I lost the footage that I was so proud of.

[Doug DeMuro]

What an idiot. Oh my God. So you're in it for 10 394. But unsaid there is. You need tires. You need some sort of infotainment solution. And you're down at several speakers.

[Nick]

And it still has a check engine.

[Doug DeMuro]

Light and it still has an active seat.

[Filippo]

It cleared it, but it's covered.

[Nick]

I replaced ignition coils. That was not the help it.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're just replacing stuff. Just you think about throwing a code reader in there and seeing what it is.

[Nick]

It misfire like that could be anything.

[Doug DeMuro]

Could be anything.

[Filippo]

P38.

[Doug DeMuro]

Put a new motor in and honestly you'd probably end up in better shape.

[Nick]

We're off the rails here. We're finding a new project car. That's all we were saying.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're getting rid of this?

[Filippo]

P38.

[Nick]

No, no.

[Doug DeMuro]

Jesus.

[Nick]

I missed that the most when I was in Arizona.

[Doug DeMuro]

The questions. The questions brought to you by Nick's YouTube channel where you can see all this and more. First question from Telemeister62. This is a great question. Why is a 100 series Land Cruiser a five figure car? Deep five figures. While first gen Sequoias with the same drivetrain are a tenth of the cost. The first gen Sequoia is so underrated. Pull up a first gen Sequoia. Are you aware of this? The original Sequoia had the same powertrain. And honestly the tundra too. I didn't realize that the original Sequoia had the same powertrain. Go to lowest price. Cuz I'm sure they're all yeah this.

[Filippo]

One I'll give you lowest price.

[Doug DeMuro]

The first gen Sequoia had the same powertrain as now it's not as capable as the 100 series. It's longer. It doesn't.

[Filippo]

It looks better better though I think the Sequoia first gen Sequoia looks so good.

[Nick]

It certainly looks fine.

[Doug DeMuro]

They run forever unlike they run forever because the 47 is the greatest engine Toyota ever gave us ever 1 Uz the 1 Uz the greatest engine Toyota ever gave us. Why are these so much cheaper? I mean there's always attacks on Toyota Land Cruiser even the lxs are cheaper than Land Cruisers from this generation which is surprising and well some of the them had this suspension hydraulic suspension thing but then the Sequoia now the Sequoia isn't as capable. It's longer like I suspect the off road as a result you got a breakover angle thing I I generally bet off road stuff is not as is not as strong. It's probably not built as quite as.

[Filippo]

Well the Land Cruiser famously is a 25 year car like all the components tended to last longer than a Sequoia.

[Doug DeMuro]

Component But I would argue though especially if you buy from the southwest where it's not rusting and then you get the 470 that's a 25 year car.

[Filippo]

Honestly you should buy a Sequoia just.

[Doug DeMuro]

Everybody these first gen Sequoias are just they can run and run and run and run.

[Filippo]

To be fair there's this one has 209,000 miles of sold for nine grand. That's not far off of 100 series. Yeah with that miles yeah and zero.

[Doug DeMuro]

500 series sell for a lot.

[Filippo]

Oh somebody supercharged this one.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah TRD baby put a blower on her cool blower and 129 that one.

[Nick]

Looks like nice why don't you get.

[Doug DeMuro]

One of these really step up I.

[Nick]

Guess it's a thought it's not like a terribly interesting car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Anything would be a step up. Oh yeah your P38 I drive that I think oh this is so much fun.

[Nick]

You see a P38 you're taking a picture and you're saying that guy I'm not thinking knows something about life. You see a Sequoia you think it's a.

[Doug DeMuro]

When I see a P38 I take a picture I when I see a P38 I take a picture and I can't believe this guy's still on the road.

[Nick]

Yeah and I sent it to you sent one earlier.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yes one earlier but you school's car.

[Filippo]

Air it out. You didn't think it to the group?

[Doug DeMuro]

I did. I sent it to the group. There was someone.

[Nick]

There was a white one on 40.

[Filippo]

Missed it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, next question from Waki Evo. Hey, Doug, why haven't you reviewed a Golf 32 or any other VR6 powered Volkswagen? Excuse me. Pull up the Eurovan.

[Filippo]

I won't.

[Doug DeMuro]

You can pull it up on the site. You can pull it up on the site.

[Filippo]

Your point is made.

[Doug DeMuro]

I reviewed a Eurovan. I can't believe that the disrespect that this question has it that one I reviewed. This is a VR6. Volkswagen people. Nick, I think as a VR6 enthusiast, you'd be thrilled to see me reviewing a VR6.

[Filippo]

Is it a VR6?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Didn't. Wasn't the Cayenne also a VR6 early on?

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, okay, I'm going to. I'm going to. I'm going to tell a story to Volkswagen people that's going to really get them all scared. VR6 is a marketing term, okay? It's just a V6. That's all it is. They told you it was a VR set six. It's a narrow angle. Nobody cares what the angle of the engine is. It's a V6, okay? They told you all it was a VR6. And there's been all these people who are like enthusiasts of the VR6. It's them marketing it, trying to prove that it's something cooler that they developed. It isn't. It's just a V6.

[Filippo]

Narrow angle V6.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm not wrong about this. Next question.

[Filippo]

Why haven't you done an R32 though?

[Doug DeMuro]

I want a blue stock.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Hard to find. I want a blue. A Mark 4. I want a blue stock. Stocky. A Mark 5 on a blue stocky.

[Nick]

A Mark 6 stock has got to be the hard part of that, I would imagine. They were so moddable.

[Doug DeMuro]

They were so moddable.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

There's a lot of cool cars you haven't reviewed, including the B7RS4.

[Doug DeMuro]

Because I'm waiting for stockies on a lot of them and they're hard to find. For instance, I'd love to find a blue stock Evo 6. I would love. But I can't wait. Seem to find one. They're just not around. Okay, next question.

[Filippo]

Not one.

[Doug DeMuro]

With 30,000 kilometers behind Peterson, Ja22. I drove that car yesterday. That blue stock Evo6. One of the greatest experiences of my life. Tell Rami I want one of those.

[Nick]

I'm still having him look for a B5 RS4 for me.

[Doug DeMuro]

He's looking for an E55 for me. And you know, I was at Cars and Coffee and I was talking to somebody and they were like, yeah, I got a guy looking in Europe for a car. I'm like, oh. He's like, Rami. I'm like, oh my God. Rami's looking for all these cars.

[Filippo]

And by motorsports.

[Doug DeMuro]

Next question from Peterson. Ja22. Filippo, congrats on the Porsche. When are you going to join the crew and start a YouTube channel? It's a great question. What do you mean if I were to start. He did it.

[Filippo]

If I were to start a YouTube channel, it would be solely the auto industry news that you deem too boring for this podcast. And I'm going to be honest, that's probably not a recipe for success.

[Doug DeMuro]

What would you just sit like here at the set in front and like that's all you do?

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Nick]

Spin up podcast.

[Filippo]

There's a lot of news that we can't get to. And I love the car. I love cars, but really I love the car industry.

[Doug DeMuro]

He likes the industry. He's an industry man.

[Nick]

We didn't cover the story about the guy at the Ford plant that flipped off the.

[Filippo]

Yeah, we decided to avoid. To just flip on that on Cash Patel and that's it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can you imagine if we covered that story?

[Nick]

Kind of just did.

[Doug DeMuro]

So you're not doing a pot for sure. Even though this is your chance to like start your content career.

[Filippo]

I think people might not realize this, but like my actual job at Cars and Bids sometimes has content, but I do.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, I think you're better than us.

[Filippo]

No, no, better.

[Doug DeMuro]

Better than this.

[Nick]

He's better is not the word.

[Doug DeMuro]

You run over your CarPlay, but then you went over your stereo, but then it connects to CarPlay, which is so.

[Filippo]

Hilarious and so many.

[Nick]

How did. What's that?

[Filippo]

How did the car play? You didn't have power.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, because the car connected to the one in the car. Yeah, it connected to the one in the car. I took my over the old one, the stock.

[Filippo]

Oh, got it, got it, got it.

[Nick]

Probably was buzzing too, like that.

[Filippo]

No, no, I more mean my time is not as focused. I don't have an interest in becoming a content celebrity.

[Doug DeMuro]

But you still have the footage. You just don't have the sound.

[Nick]

No, it like stops filming because the.

[Filippo]

Phone would have switched to the like turn.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well Filipo, I for one would love to see a YouTube channel that you do.

[Filippo]

Would you like it to be all car industry news?

[Doug DeMuro]

Cuz I gotcha I would. That's how. That's where I would get my car industry news instead of having to go on these websites. It's like hodgepodge of websites where you always find car industry news. I want to get my one stop shop. Filippo, every Monday morning I want you to tell me what's going to happen in the industry that week.

[Filippo]

I'll do daily tik tok.

[Nick]

I'm. I'm trying to convince him since we're both going to Arizona car week next week to road trip with me in the multipla and we'll find film it from his house all the way to Mitchell's hot dogs in Mesa.

[Doug DeMuro]

And it's Mickey's.

[Nick]

Mickey's whatever.

[Doug DeMuro]

And they don't do hot dogs, dude.

[Nick]

Mitchell's tacos and hot dogs and more tostadas.

[Filippo]

Let's do it. Video coming soon to Nick Rochon.

[Nick]

We'll stop by a lalanteria.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right, I'm going to do two more. I'm going to do two more. I'm Going to do two more. I'm, going to do two more. Number one from Tomeras 24 Volvo XC90 has been looking the same for 10 years. Think it's a great way to look rich for cheap. Early ones of this generation are in the teens to buy. What do you guys think? I agree. They are also surprisingly reliable. I assumed they wouldn't be, but they are. They're getting tons of miles. They come up with miles. They do not seem that worn. They do look rich for cheap. That's the kind of car, no matter who you were, you could be driving it in Nick's neighborhood and people wouldn't go talk on next door. There's certain people, you go into Nick's neighborhood, no matter certain type of person, I'm not going to say who, but in Nick's neighborhood they go next door. I saw one of these today, but if you had an XC90, they'd be like, nope, all good.

[Filippo]

Every large Volvo from any era still looks like you fit in an original neighborhood.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, that's right.

[Filippo]

An old XC70 still fit in the first gen XC90 still fit in totally. Period.

[Doug DeMuro]

As long as it's in decent shape because some Volvos get ratty. It's funny because this used to look reasonable. Yeah, it does.

[Filippo]

I like that.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's funny because Volvo had this rep in like the 80s of these like brick cars that could run forever and then they got complicated. But actually they still are relatively reliable. And this new body XC90 is a shockingly reliable 14 grand.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

14, 000 United States with only 9091, 000 miles. But did you see what happened there? Click on that. The dude went back at some point and got nine F plates to make it look like a brand new car and you can't tell the difference.

[Nick]

I doubt that's his strategy, but it would work. It would for you. For you.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yes. Go to click on lowest price.

[Nick]

I'm trying to tuck my wife into one of these. I think they're.

[Doug DeMuro]

I wouldn't get a new one. Last gen. 6217 for that one.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

The 15 I mean, you want to look at.

[Nick]

I can buy one of these for less than I lost on the Arnaz.

[Filippo]

That's a great point.

[Doug DeMuro]

And you know what? I think for your math, that that means you. That means you gain.

[Filippo]

It's a free car. Right. I will note you already own a car in this class that you own.

[Nick]

Yeah, the Cayenne.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick]

It's got a V8 too.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. We can do one more or two more if we go quick. From Steve Sruss. This is for you, Filippo. What's the deal with the updated logo? Just a refresh. As a brand or graphic designer, I love, love to know. So if we go on cars and bids, our. Our font has changed. What happened?

[Filippo]

Yeah, we wanted to. It had been five years. Five years. We. Since we launched cars and bids.

[Doug DeMuro]

Since we launched cards.

[Filippo]

Five and a half. We wanted to update things a little bit and we felt like that better reflected our brand. There's a bunch of other small changes you may have noticed.

[Doug DeMuro]

Nick, I want you to understand that.

[Nick]

Version of Serif really vibes.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yes. With Felipe better reflected our brand. The previous font was a. It didn't represent the values that we hold dear.

[Filippo]

Okay. It's like when a new generation of car comes out, you can suddenly say whatever you wanted about the last gen.

[Doug DeMuro]

The old font.

[Nick]

No long.

[Doug DeMuro]

We didn't feel like the old font. How do I put this? It wasn't that we hated it, it's just that it didn't. It wasn't a reflection of our brand. And so we have severed all ties with that font. And if that font is still representing on LinkedIn that it works for us, we will make. We will send a strongly worded letter to make sure that that is not the case.

[Filippo]

The better corporate framing that we loved it and it was the right logo and font for us, but we have matured as a brand and therefore the logo needs to be a Lot of maturity around here. We wanted to kind of make a few small updates that we felt kind.

[Nick]

Of the logo that the car itself, I've heard people allege that it was modeled off of a specific vehicle. Is that true or false?

[Doug DeMuro]

No, you're talking about the one on the bottom of our mics.

[Filippo]

Not true.

[Doug DeMuro]

Show me.

[Nick]

Well, that's the old one, right? Or is there a new one? Is that.

[Filippo]

There is. There is a slightly new. There's a newer version. It's a little different.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, what we were looking specifically, we wanted a generic car that couldn't.

[Filippo]

Yeah, there was some inspiration from Doug's Defender at the time. And inspiration is a key word. Right. Like, it looks like a boxy, simple mix of a vehicle. It looks like a multipla.

[Doug DeMuro]

It doesn't look like a multi. I think the closest thing to me always. I've always felt the Honda E was like the closest thing. Okay, last question is, we have to do this one very quickly, and we can. Very, very, very quickly, which is good because it's a very, very quickly, quickly. Wait, what happened to it? Oh, God.

[Nick]

Did you see Honda had a new logo debut?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

That did not make the cut for stories. It would have been on your.

[Doug DeMuro]

They've been doing it already. All right, very, very quickly, from Callum BMW nz. I'm gonna answer this in one word and Filippo's gonna agree with me. Can. Dear Porsche pod. Maybe this is for Spike. Can EVs ever become true enthusiast classics, like iconic ice cars? Or does the lack of mechanical engagement prevent that from happening? No, EVs can never become enthusiast classics. Thank you so much. I don't agree.

[Filippo]

Wait.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a great point.

[Filippo]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Doug DeMuro]

I actually appreciate it. Nick. Any part the of parting thoughts?

[Filippo]

Keep going.

[Nick]

I can't think of an exception to that.

[Filippo]

No, you're correct at this.

[Nick]

Kind of cool.

[Filippo]

As you look back on a certain era, wouldn't you say that something like a Gallardo is an enthusiast classic?

[Nick]

That's not an EV.

[Filippo]

But it. But my V10, V10, that was. There was a change of that era from manual cars and automatic. And at the time, you would have said no automatic. So no automatic. Could be that. I think. Think a time changes things.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, I think there's a big difference between automatic and ev. And I think maybe, maybe not. So far, no ev to me, has emerged as a car that.

[Filippo]

I think there have been no good sports.

[Doug DeMuro]

The only change, the only possible one that could be is the original Tesla Roadster. But I think that's only due to its like, seminal position as in the car industry. And for what Tesla became, rather than like the driving experience or the specialness or the enjoyment of that car. We.

[Filippo]

We've got a big tent.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wait, no. I like EVs a ton.

[Filippo]

I just.

[Doug DeMuro]

The question is, will they become enthusiast True enthusiast Classics.

[Filippo]

Got a big tent. What?

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. You think the Mach E Doom is going to become. What is that called?

[Filippo]

Honestly, Rally is what it's actually called.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know where I saw one of those? Because Sam sent a picture. He saw one for the first time. I also saw one for the first time this weekend. You know where I saw it? Monster Jam. Goodbye, everybody. That's what happens. Monster Jam in San Diego. You get this sort of.

[Filippo]

On it.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're liberals, but they're also off Roader.

[Filippo]

Yep. Goodbye, all.

[Doug DeMuro]

Absolute pleasure. Thank you, Nick, for joining us today.

[Nick]

Anytime.