Calling Out Porsche People! The Cars to Import in 2026! Next Doug Car Already?

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Episode: Calling Out Porsche People! The Cars to Import in 2026! Next Doug Car Already?
Date: December 26, 2025
Host: Doug DeMuro
Guests: Kenan & Nick

Episode Overview

This festive, pre-recorded "Christmas edition" skips recent news and focuses on answering a backlog of audience questions. Doug, Kenan, and Nick deliver a candid, often hilarious conversation on car ownership sentimentality, favorite cars, Porsche "Paint to Sample" culture, dream future imports, their shifting views on automatics, the realities of "YouTuber car collections," and more. The show closes with a revealing car wish-list segment and some playful unboxing of fan gifts.

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Key Segments and Highlights

1. Festive Opener & Episode Structure

• [01:05] Doug explains the holiday special format: “All we’re doing is answering previous questions that you’ve asked us before that we didn’t get to, because...we can’t do the news.”
• [01:46] Nick gives his annual auto industry predictions (Jaguar’s “New Year’s resolution,” more Stellantis recalls, “another EV will get killed, another V8 will come back”).

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2. Favorite Cars Ever Owned ([03:15–11:37])

Question: "Out of all the vehicles you've owned, what was your favorite and why?"

Kenan

• [03:28] "Yes, it was." (referring to his E39 M5)
  • 2002 Titanium Silver, black sport interior, V8.
  • Loves it for the emotional experience, not just specs.

Nick

• Struggles to pick—has owned many, but:
• [04:20] "If I think about which one I loved the most... it's gotta be a B7 Audi. So the RS4 was the best one, but like, B7s are what got me just overboard on cars. So probably the S4 that I had."
• Nostalgic, "seminal" part of his own car journey. (“I was Mr. B7. I lived it and breathed it.” [08:17])
• Open to getting another B7, especially an Avant or rare color.

Doug

• [09:20] "I think my favorite is probably the Countach, which I currently own and just love dearly."
• [09:45] Also, deep appreciation for his old 2001 Mercedes E55, which was "super reliable, pretty fast, also roomy and comfortable."
• [10:54] Reveals next obsessions: “I really want an E30 M3 Sport Evo. And I really want a 21055 wagon.”

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3. Car Sentimentality & Attachment ([12:44–21:44])

Question: "How sentimental about previous cars are you?"

Kenan

• Extremely sentimental: keeps mementos, window stickers, photos. "[14:16] I have momentos from them...I really love that car [first 525i], really, really loved it."
• Sentimentality drives car keeping choices.

Nick

• More pragmatic and unsentimental. "[17:44] Once I get the itch to sell a car, it's time...Now I've like, totally let go."
• Admits brief pangs with certain cars (e.g., B7 S4), but moves on quickly.

Doug

• "[17:59] My answer is literally zero."
• Enjoys memories, sometimes runs Carfax on old cars, but feels no desire for reunions or “yearning.” "[18:32] I look up some people from high school just to make sure that I'm living better than them. You know what I'm saying?"

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4. Porsche Paint-to-Sample & Car Spec Culture ([22:36–29:36])

Question: Have you heard of the Rare Shades Festival? How much would they pay you to go as a non-Porsche guy?

Doug

• Unrepentant: “Under absolutely no circumstances ever. But how much to pay me? I'd probably do it for 100 grand post tax.” [23:15]
• Skewers PTS-obsessed owners: "[24:11] There is a large contingent of Porsche enthusiasts who care more about their spec than the driving experience ... the single most pathetic thing that goes on in the automotive industry today."
• Rants that these owners don’t drive the cars, just “celebrate the way it’s optioned.”

Nick & Kenan

• Amused but critical: enjoy rare colors but think it’s taken “a little too far” ([24:28]) — "At least those folks are off at their own event!"
• Nick jokes: "I would pay 100 grand to attend Suzuka Gray [B7 RS4] festival" ([28:09]), but it’s “different.”

Standout Quote

Doug ([26:10]):

"Nice spec. Every oh my God, the spec is so nice. And I just think that is so far from the intent...I just would prefer they not come to my events or talk to me."

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5. Best & Worst Cross-Country Drives ([31:09–34:35])

Question: When driving to Nantucket, which states are the best and worst scenery-wise?

• General consensus: Best – I-70 through Colorado, east Tennessee, Arkansas.
  Doug: "I-70 through Colorado is the most beautiful section of interstate in the country." ([31:50])
• Worst – Northern Texas ("I-40 through North Texas is the worst part of the world" [34:35]), also Nebraska gets a mention by Kenan.

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6. Dream Imports: Audi A1 Club Sport Quattro ([35:04–37:29])

Question: Have you heard of the Audi A1 Club Sport Quattro?

• Doug: “There is no car that I want to import more than this car. None.” [35:12]
• Nick: "I mean, what's not to like? It's such a good size, tons of power." [35:23]
• Only made 333, dual clutch, turbo, all-wheel-drive, white wheels—"one of the coolest cars on the planet." [37:16]

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7. Automatics vs Manuals – The Hypocrisy Exposed ([37:29–40:42])

Question from Tennessee Cool Cat: “Is no one going to talk about the hypocrisy of Kenan buying a Tip?”

Kenan

• Owns up: "[37:51] ... Yes, I've always wanted an SL65...the auto suits the nature of it...As a lot of AMG cars...I agree that generally, most fun cars should be manual, but nonetheless, you wanted the experience..."
• Still sentimentally attached to manuals through his M5.

Doug

• Playfully rails against the group’s “manuals only!” stance devolving into more automatics: "Everybody on this pod has always been like only manuals...then they all end up with automatics. Filippo...has an automatic. I'm the only one for my fun cars who's never deviated.”

Nick

• Next cars he wants are all automatics ("I'm being productive. I'm doing deals at the stoplight." [39:54])

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8. Is It The Car, Or This Exact Car? Attached to Your M5 ([41:08–42:51])

Question: "Do you love your current M5, or the E39 M5 in general?"

Kenan: It's this car specifically. "Honestly, it is my M5 that I love specifically." ([41:17]) Even if better ones became available, he’d stick with what he has.

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9. YouTuber Car Financing: What If You Went Full Send? ([47:37–51:32])

Question: If you took the “YouTuber” approach and financed everything irresponsibly, what would your collections look like?

• Doug: “I know what’s going on behind the scenes...some of these YouTubers, everybody’s always like ‘you’re a rich YouTuber’, I want to chime in and be like, you have no idea how close that dude is to personal dynamics.” ([47:37])
• Dream cars: Doug would get an F40, F50.
• Kenan: “I probably would stretch back into that $100k ($100,000) range. For me, probably a 575 or something.” ([48:24])
• Nick: “I feel like I’m dangerously close to what he’s describing.” Would go for “punishingly expensive” stuff: “XJ220 or S7...something beyond ridiculous.” ([49:47])

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10. Car Wish Lists: What’s Left? ([63:01–69:41])

Doug

• Realizes his list is shrinking: “I don’t have that many more cars left that I actually want, which is a scary thought.” ([63:41])
• “Either a C55, C43, or E55 Mercedes wagon...an Evo VI LHD...996 GT2...Magnum Sega Cruiser...R34 GTR, that’s kind of it.” ([64:10])

Kenan

• Z4 Roadster, Z8, V12 Vanquish, CT5V Blackwing, Viper, and a handful of others.
• “Only one, only two [left].” ([65:14])

Nick

• List is long, ranging from rare Mercedes and Jaguar models to Ford Ranger Splash and Funkmaster Flex Expeditions.
• "It's hard to take back steps [downmarket]...when I have an SLR and a P38 and all these amazing vehicles, it's hard to choose the Multipla." ([66:27])

Standout Reflection

Doug:

“You know, it would almost be sad though, because don’t you think that we would eventually get to the same place with infinite money that we’ve gotten to without infinite money?” ([67:52])

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11. Memorable Gift Exchange – Listener Presents ([72:09–78:48])

• Hilariously offbeat: Nissan Armada cologne, Kinder Egg smart cars, a custom F40 LM made of cardboard, a Countach bath mat, and more.
• Doug: “This is the greatest gift I’ve ever seen.” ([75:01])
• Good-natured banter about automotive gifting (“Full circle, friends are the best gift” etc.)

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12. Final Rapid-Fire Q&A & Holiday Wrap ([80:00–end])

• Banter about how hard it is to buy each other gifts, referencing past group gifts—Parker Nirenstein cameos, G Wagon parts from WhistlinDiesel, etc.
• Doug’s meta-rant: Why is “Happy Holidays” so controversial? ([81:09])
• Final sendoff, joyful, rambunctious holiday energy.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Porsche Spec People:
  Doug: "I think it's probably the single most pathetic thing that goes on in the automotive industry today." ([24:11])
• On Getting Sentimental:
  Kenan: "Love is not rational." ([15:05])
• On YouTuber Car Spending:
  Doug: "You're not thinking about any sort of long-term saving... next thing you know, you're earning $150k a month, but your spend is $146k a month." ([50:58])
• On Shrinking Wish Lists:
  Doug: "I'm out. This is it." ([66:06])

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [01:46] Annual industry predictions
• [03:15] Favorite car ever owned
• [12:44] Sentimentality about past cars
• [22:36] Porsche Paint-to-Sample & Rare Shades
• [31:09] Cross-country drive routes
• [35:04] Audi A1 Club Sport Quattro dream
• [37:29] Manuals vs. Automatics “hypocrisy”
• [41:08] "Is it this car or the model?"
• [47:37] The “YouTuber car financing” scenario
• [63:01] What’s left on the car wish list?
• [72:09] Listener gift unboxing
• [80:00] Holiday close-out & wrapping thoughts

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Final Tone

Candid, irreverent, and car-geeky—this episode blends nostalgia and brutal honesty, exposing how passion can blur reason in car collecting, skewering obsessive Porsche culture, and meditating (with trademark Doug humor) about how desires evolve as wish lists get shorter and one’s car dream garage takes shape.

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Perfect for: Listeners who love authentic talk about car ownership, car culture quirks, and want to hear car-obsessed hosts confront their own sentimentality, irrationality, and collector goals—with plenty of laughs and insider trivia along the way.

Transcript

[Doug]

When the holidays start to feel a bit repetitive, reach for a Sprite Winter Spiced Cranberry and put your twist on tradition. A bold cranberry and winter spice flavor Fusion Sprite Winter Spice Cranberry is a.

[Nick]

Refreshing way to shake things up this.

[Doug]

Sipping season, and only for a limited time. Sprite.

[Nick]

Obey your thirst.

[Doug]

Kids, they grow up so fast. One day they're taking their first steps, and the next they don't fit into.

[Nick]

The tiny sneakers they took them in.

[Doug]

You blink your eyes and their princess dress is two sizes too small. And their dinosaur backpack isn't cool anymore. But don't cry because they're growing up. Smile because you can profit off of it for real.

[Nick]

There are a bunch of parents on.

[Doug]

Depop looking for the stuff your kid just grew out of. Download depop to start selling. Hello, and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan.

[Nick]

I'm Nick.

[Doug]

And this is a special Christmas edition of this car pod, recorded weeks ago because we are lazy and we don't want to record during the holidays.

[Kenan]

I'm in Ohio currently.

[Doug]

Kenan's in Ohio. Nick is God knows where. Anyway, this special Christmas edition. Ho, ho, ho. By the way, this special edition, all we're doing is answering previous questions that you've asked us before that we didn't get to, because we can't. We're not filming this recently, so we can't do the news.

[Nick]

You know, I got some future predictions for the news if we did want to.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Nick]

You know, some industry predictions. I think that's a good idea.

[Doug]

All right, why don't you start? Let's start there, and then we'll move on into the questions that we've prepared.

[Nick]

Jaguar is making a New Year's resolution to be back on cars. They're gonna start making them, designing them.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Nick]

There will be multiple Stellantis recalls because they're Stellantis. Another EV will get killed, another V8 will come back. I think it's pretty predictable. If you watch these episodes, you kind of know where the world's going.

[Doug]

Yeah, that's true.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Okay. Anyway, thank you so much, Nick. I appreciate that. Nick, what do you think about Slate?

[Kenan]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick]

This is where my populist political beliefs will come out. Because it's affiliated with Bezos, I'm kind of off it.

[Doug]

You know, there are people out there.

[Nick]

Who think, I know he's an investor. Whatever. I just. If I can avoid Amazon, I do. Wow.

[Doug]

So. Oh, wow.

[Kenan]

So you just don't use Nick's getting.

[Doug]

Into politics right here in Minute two.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

All right, we're gonna do questions. You guys have always been lovely and asked us questions. And if you wanna ask us questions for the next pod, which we're gonna record topically, go to carsandbins.com you click on the Community tab. There's a post there that says, ask us questions, and then you ask us questions. This week, we've gone through weeks of old questions, and I've picked the best ones we didn't answer before. Okay. Okay, Are you guys ready? I've got 20 some. We'll probably only get to half of them.

[Nick]

I'm excited for this.

[Doug]

Okay, first question from. Doug's not a Porsche guy. Which, by the way, is true. Love it.

[Kenan]

But he's a Mercedes guy. Get it right.

[Doug]

No, I have no affiliation.

[Nick]

Kia Stinger GT guy.

[Doug]

I did love that car. Doug and friends. You guys are the friends.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

What's up, Santa? Thank you.

[Kenan]

Thank you, Santa.

[Nick]

Big Nick.

[Kenan]

Big Nick Energy.

[Doug]

Out of all the vehicles you've owned, what was your favorite and why?

[Nick]

Well, Nick, I think we all know Kenan, right?

[Doug]

Kenan's is his E39 M5.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

And it will. Yes, it was.

[Doug]

Kenan likes his E30. I don't know if we've ever made this point on the pod before, but Kennan likes his E39 M5.

[Kenan]

I don't think I've ever mentioned that. So, yes, I really enjoy my.

[Doug]

If you don't know. He's a silver. Titanium. Silver.

[Kenan]

Yep.

[Doug]

It's a 2002 black Sport interior.

[Nick]

Is that the one with the V8?

[Kenan]

That's the V8. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Nick.

[Doug]

Nick, you've had definitely. How many cars have you had? You think?

[Nick]

I've lost count, but enough. Yeah, I don't know. It. It's. That's a really hard question. They're all, like, great for different purposes. I think if I think about which one I like, loved the most, you know, like, just has that, like, weird feeling. It's got to be a B7 Audi. So the RS4 was the best one. But, like, B7s are really what got me, like, just overboard on cars. So probably the S4 that I had. Ohlins. I had a big brake kit. I tracked it. We had a lot of fun with that.

[Doug]

Okay, couple things. First off, there's Rhodes colored glasses going on here.

[Nick]

Yep, absolutely. Ginger. We. My wife.

[Kenan]

Hold on a minute. So the Borrego, you loved your.

[Doug]

Your Mercielago.

[Nick]

The Borrego was at. The XP8. Was also the XP8. Yeah, through my head.

[Doug]

But Quattro World forums are paying him to be here today and I don't.

[Kenan]

Know, shout out to four rings, racers and all that stuff. Really? So you did. I mean, yeah. Nick.

[Doug]

Yes.

[Nick]

I've sold five cars on the site.

[Doug]

Pull up a B7. Pull up a B7. I sold like nine.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Doug]

Pull up a B7. No, no, go back to the site. Pull up a B7. Let, let's let Nick go down memory lane.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I mean, I think the, the RS4 was the better car, but my S4, I just loved.

[Doug]

There you go.

[Nick]

A4S line. No, no, that's.

[Doug]

That's the one. That's the one. The A4. This is basically what he's talking about. A4s line.

[Kenan]

Yeah, look at that.

[Doug]

It was a great interior.

[Nick]

I've considered. So I've had the A4 S4 and RS4. I haven't done a, a cab yet, a convertible and I haven't done an Avant yet. So there may be. I'm just. For sure I'm putting it out there that if a fourth one comes around that is too good to say no to. I wouldn't say no to it.

[Doug]

Dude's a B7, man.

[Kenan]

He.

[Nick]

Yeah, a B7, RS4. I'm legitimately like waiting until they're 25 years old to import one.

[Doug]

A wagon.

[Nick]

Yeah, I've thought about trying to convert one, but it's a lot of work.

[Doug]

What else we got here that you would have on the B7 front?

[Nick]

Anything in sprint blue, you had a.

[Doug]

B7 S4, not a B6.

[Nick]

They were all B7s.

[Doug]

I always preferred the B6. Did you not?

[Nick]

No.

[Doug]

You didn't like those wheels?

[Nick]

No, it was fine. But the B7 was everything but better. It's like the RRC to the P38. It's everything just a little bit better.

[Doug]

I'm going to tell you right now, nobody thinks that.

[Nick]

I think it.

[Kenan]

Nobody.

[Nick]

All of my P38 friends think that.

[Doug]

The only people who think the P38 was improvement over the RSC are on the P38 Facebook group.

[Nick]

We'll go ask the RIC guys talking.

[Doug]

About how undervalued I had an RC.

[Nick]

Oh, I'm getting rust repair right now. Cuz this car was made poorly. I wish I had a P38. That's what they're all saying.

[Doug]

No one with a Range Rover Classic wishes they had a P38. They have enough problems and their car is better looking and simpler.

[Nick]

They have enough problems because it was V1A V2.0 of God's masterpiece.

[Doug]

V2 was much worse. Does it ever. Do you ever like the fact that Land Rover couldn't. You know how BMWs are. E28, E39, E46. Land Rover went through so many BS owners at naming conventions that it was classic. P38, L322. Makes no sense.

[Nick]

Yeah, none at all, actually.

[Kenan]

No sense.

[Doug]

They truly are internal nodes.

[Kenan]

They're not designed to know it's a disaster.

[Nick]

So, yeah, that's my final answer. I'm locking in the B7.

[Doug]

The B7.

[Nick]

Any variant. Even the front wheel drive CVT. I enjoy that car.

[Doug]

Front wheel drive CVT.

[Nick]

Right. With that, six LEDs and a ton of great mods.

[Kenan]

Sorry, SLR. Move over, Mercy. Bye bye. R8. It's the.

[Doug]

How can you say that?

[Kenan]

Look at that.

[Nick]

Look at that Rs4. The. The wide fenders. I agree, those are perfect wheels.

[Doug]

Look at your.

[Nick]

They. They pretty much invented honeycomb mesh. Like that was a new thing in that era. Yeah, I mean, just, they killed it.

[Doug]

But how can you say that this.

[Nick]

Is the E39 M5 of Audis.

[Doug]

No, totally.

[Kenan]

Yeah, definitely.

[Doug]

But how you say this? You had a stick mer. He doesn't have enough time from his stick mercy. You know, I'll tell you this. My first car was a 1996 Volvo 850 Turbo. Pull up an 850 Turbo.

[Nick]

And the boxy one. Yeah, and five cylinder, wasn't it?

[Doug]

Turbo five.

[Nick]

Hell yeah.

[Doug]

Yeah, turbo five. And it looked a lot like that. That's an R. But it does not have R wheels. It has turbo wheels. That's how my car looked. It was white. And is that the car you like best? Like you, I. For years after getting rid of it, I idealized. Oh, I miss Mate 50 Turbo. Miss Mate 50 Turbo. Years later I drove one again. And needless to say, haven't missed it since.

[Kenan]

The clothes of the boy do not fit the man.

[Doug]

And he would discover that if he got it back into.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I wonder, is it.

[Nick]

I owned a B7 like three years ago.

[Doug]

Yeah, but it was Rs4. If you got back into the B7 track that you just espoused, I have a suspicion it wouldn't last.

[Nick]

Perhaps, but I. I feel like it's a cheat to just say my fastest car or my most expensive car. I'm going with the car that I had the deepest emotional bond with. Like canon and his E39. I. I was Mr. B7. I lived it and breathed it. It was a seminal point of my childhood and adulthood yeah.

[Doug]

So that. So it's. It's one. It's got. It's got history to you personally. Personally, my favorite car I've ever owned is really hard. You know, like them all equally, etc. Etc. Like Nissan or whatever. I've had 38 cars.

[Nick]

Jeez, you probably had 38 cars if I count diecast. I bet. I bet I'm at like 20.

[Kenan]

I'm in the hundreds.

[Doug]

But you're. You're moving a lot faster than it's picking up. Five years, you're definitely going to be more than me.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

You're having like six cars a year. It's probably a violation of getting close to daily line.

[Nick]

I'm going to Phoenix next week and I've already updated my Facebook marketplace to target hoopdies in that area. So yes.

[Doug]

If a Ford Lightning. If you got a Ford Lightning, you're trying to offload this Christmas in Scottsdale in Mesa.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Doug]

Put it on. Put it on Facebook right now.

[Nick]

There's a lot of good users.

[Doug]

You got a California guy coming in. But I think my favorite is probably the Countach, which I is currently own and just love dearly. Dearly, dearly, dearly drive that car. And I'm so excited every time I'm in it.

[Kenan]

That's what I was predicting you were going to say.

[Doug]

It's not the most usable. If. If I only look at cars that I have gotten rid of. That 2001 E55, pull up one of those. I just want to look at it.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Doug]

The 2001 E55 is my.

[Nick]

That's like your B7.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Nick]

It's not that great by today's standards.

[Doug]

Well, the thing that made it so great was that it was super reliable. It was pretty fast, but it was also roomy and reliable and comfortable. And at the time when I owned it, I was like 25. I. I didn't need any of that stuff. But in the years since then I've realized like actually this be great and you know how you focus as like a third car that you just sort of use when guests. Whatever. I want to get one of these for that.

[Nick]

Yeah. A little.

[Doug]

Just reliable. Yeah. Have. You don't have to treat incredibly nicely. That's. That's the.

[Nick]

This is doable. You know, it's a very achievable.

[Doug]

Well, I want a wagon which is a little complicated.

[Kenan]

That's a little bit harder, a little bit more.

[Nick]

Then you'll be precious about loaning it out though, because that's legitimately cool.

[Doug]

This is a 99. And. And I only. I only do facelift cars.

[Kenan]

Well, we haven't had one yet.

[Doug]

No, no one has. They're. They're. They're uncommon. But I'm starting the procedure for one.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Doug]

But I do like Easter egg there. You got me back into cars.

[Nick]

Good.

[Doug]

You got me deep back on cars. I don't know if by the.

[Nick]

You got me off cars foisting this arage onto me. The multiple. You guys are just feeding me bad ideas.

[Doug]

By the time this pod airs. I'm not sure if this will be. If all have announced this yet, but I really want an E30 M3 Sport Evo. And I really want a 21055 wagon. And I am ready, I think, to buy either one.

[Nick]

Can't wait to hear about this. For months after you've already bought one.

[Doug]

You. You started this.

[Nick]

Cool.

[Doug]

I was off cars for four years. I didn't buy a car. And then you showed up and you were like, I'm having all this fun. And then you did dumb stuff and got out of it. Okay, financially.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And I'm like, well, I can do dumb stuff and get out of it. Look at all these M3s. You see these? Look at that. Take this car. This is what I want. I want this car. But 5 more horsepower for 150,000 more dollars.

[Kenan]

Completely rash.

[Nick]

Sounds great.

[Kenan]

Makes good sense.

[Doug]

So anyway, I'm interested. Okay. Should we do our next question? Yes. I'm so excited to get Kennan's view on. Oh, here's a great one. Your personal information is more exposed than you think. Data brokers and people search sites can.

[Nick]

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[Doug]

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[Nick]

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[Nick]

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[Doug]

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[Nick]

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[Doug]

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[Kenan]

Okay.

[Doug]

Dear Doug and friends again. You're the friends.

[Kenan]

Aw.

[Doug]

How sentimental about previous cars are you? As someone in the Kenin camp of cart maintenance, I wonder how much emotional weight you carry in cars. Kenan, how sentimental about previous cars are you?

[Kenan]

Extremely. I'm a very emotional person, so there are some cars for which my hatred knows no bounds that I've owned.

[Doug]

There's a sentimentality to that.

[Kenan]

Yeah, there is. I feel strongly and very emotionally about all of my cars. But, yes, sentimentality drives a lot of the reason that I. Of the cars that I want, the cars that I keep. There's a lot I'm very emotional about. My things. Watches, too, you know, my things. I like my things.

[Doug]

And by the way, we're in the middle of watch season, folks.

[Kenan]

Oh, begin. Oh, early days still.

[Doug]

This is watch season.

[Kenan]

Yes, I have. Yes. I. Being from Ohio in the wintertime, you'd put away the cars, and you can't use them. So what I do in that, I'd fill up time.

[Doug]

We bring out the timepieces.

[Kenan]

That's right.

[Nick]

You know what? You see this. This thing that is really cool. It's an SLR edition watch. So I'm not. I'm on car watches. Yes.

[Doug]

See, Nick gets it, so I took.

[Nick]

It in to get the battery replaced, and the guy's like, sir, there's. There's no battery in this. It's an automatic. And so he's like, you just need to, like, shake your wrist more. And I left feeling like an idiot.

[Doug]

Well, it's like pulling up to the gas pump.

[Nick]

I got some hard work to do during watch season here.

[Doug]

Okay. When you say that you're sentimental about cars, what do you mean? Like, you look at your old cars, you look up their VINs, you think about them. You have glossies on your wall above your bed.

[Kenan]

I do think about them. I have momentos from them. So, like, I have, like, from my. My first car, my 525. I still have the window sticker, and I still look back at pictures of that car. I really love that car. Really, really loved it.

[Doug]

It was 190 horsepower.

[Nick]

It was.

[Kenan]

But it was my first. It was a great first car. And it was a manual, and it was blue, and I just really love that car. But, yeah, I look back fondly on a lot of the great memories I've made with all of them. That's the most important aspect of these cars. To me, it's just like the E39. It's like the reason I feel so sentimental about that is I close the door and I'm right back to where I was when I was dreaming about owning that car as a kid. And now I have one. And so. And it just. That hasn't faded for me. And the sentimentality is what drives that.

[Nick]

So you ever to be a little armchair psychologist here that you get too attached? You know, like maybe it causes you to over invest in maintenance or make sort of illogical decisions?

[Kenan]

Well, well, yes. Love is not rational.

[Doug]

I would argue that it's important to love things that can love you back. Like how I love Nick.

[Kenan]

Yes, but the M5 provides me with so much joy every time I use it that it does love you back in a way. It provides me what I'm looking for from an automobile. So, yeah, it gives me what I want then. Yes, it is very expensive and things, but I just want it to always function and I want it to be around for as long as I can drive the car.

[Doug]

So no surprise, the person who spends so much money on the car is invested in the sentimentally and emotionally invested in the car.

[Nick]

Now isn't that called commitment biased?

[Doug]

I'm not sure.

[Nick]

It's more of a sunk cost fallacy, actually.

[Doug]

No, there's no fallacy.

[Kenan]

There's no fallacy.

[Nick]

Well, I mean, you sunk a lot of money into it, so therefore you feel like, oh, I gotta, like, love this.

[Kenan]

I'm in so deep, I might as well keep going. That would be sunk fallacy.

[Doug]

No, you can tell sometimes when you're with people and there's some stuff. No, this is true love. He truly loves. It's not like one of those situations where you know the couple and you want to say something to the guy like, you should get out of this. Or to the woman, like, I don't think so. To this. This is a merger of equals.

[Nick]

That's my favorite part of the hol is catching, like, couples that are normally very harmonious, just like quietly bickering, you.

[Doug]

Know, you get the dogs in the.

[Nick]

Garage, you know, like. And you're like, oh my gosh, they're gonna murder each other when we leave. But, like, we're just getting like the quick, the little brown M and M, like the first canary in the coal mine. Before they just, you know, treat Kenan like an E39 M5.

[Doug]

Last summer, sitting home. Nick's family in Ohio takes us back to that Panera breath.

[Nick]

Even my family, but just Nick.

[Doug]

Do you do you get sentimentally attached to your cars? Do you think about the money shift ttrs?

[Nick]

No, I think the velocity of which I've been turning over cars, I think I'm probably of anything over or too unsentimental towards the cars. But I have fond memories of them. And then I have recreated the P38 experience. I have thought about getting another saline XB8. So I'd say it's a balancing act.

[Doug]

But do you specifically, the ones that you have, do you ever mourn their loss? Do you think about them? Do you have keepsakes?

[Nick]

Funny enough, the mercy. So there's been a few cars like that B7S4. I tried to sell it once and then I, like, backed out. I'm like, I can't sell it. I just love this car too much. I regretted doing that. And then like a year later, I sold it for way less money. So now I've kind of like realized once I get the itch to sell a car, it's time and waiting is only worse for me. So I've sort of learned to just listen to that, like, the mercy. I still loved that car, but I was also like, it's time. And I know it's time. And it's time for something new. And if I hold off Now, I'll wait six to 12 months. I'll probably get all the signs you're pointing it to. It's time to let go.

[Doug]

So when you let go, you let go.

[Nick]

Yeah. Now I've like, totally let go. I'm still in the owner's groups and, like, poking around a little bit.

[Doug]

But you don't have emotional attacks.

[Nick]

I don't have a year to get back into a mercy right now.

[Doug]

Okay. The question was, how sentimental about previous cars are you? My answer is literally zero.

[Kenan]

Yep, I knew that about you. Yeah.

[Doug]

Which is literally zero.

[Nick]

You had trouble letting go of your Defender 90. I feel you were sentimentally attached.

[Kenan]

No, he didn't.

[Doug]

Nope, he was.

[Kenan]

All of us. Many other people in his life were attached to that car.

[Nick]

Trying to talk you into, like, helping you talk off the ledge. Between that and the G Cab, I.

[Doug]

Feel like I. I definitely am attached to the G Cab, which I currently own. I am. Have no attachment to the yellow car. I sold it to a guy in upstate New York.

[Nick]

Don't you famously look up the carfax of all your vehicles?

[Doug]

I carfax them once a year.

[Nick]

It's a little stalker.

[Doug]

No, no, no, I don't.

[Nick]

That's like, oh, yeah. I look up my high School girlfriend on Facebook once a month. But I'm not. I'm not. I'm over it.

[Doug]

It depends on the purpose. I mean, like, I look up some people from high school just to make sure that I'm living better than them. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

[Kenan]

Nick understands. He's in the biggest house in his neighborhood at a Lambo, but.

[Doug]

Right. He's got his profile picture, Nick in a Lambo in a race suit.

[Nick]

Actually, I'm rocking the QP5 on Facebook. Thank you. I'm Bumblebee.

[Doug]

But I do carfax them. I'm always curious to see where they went. But I never, like, yearn. There is not an ounce of me that wants any of those cars back. I never want to hear from the people who have them. I do not care if they get in accidents and totaled and destroyed, which some of them have. I don't care if they. If they kill people in Florida, as one of them did. None of it matters to me.

[Kenan]

But there are experiences you would like to repeat. The W210 being a good example.

[Doug]

But. But to me, that was a thing. It was a thing of metal and glass and bolts. Like, I can get another thing like that. And honestly, car now has 150,000 miles on it. I don't want that thing back. I want a different thing that probably provides me with a sort of similar. Do you know what I mean? I know there's certainly the experiences in some of the cars. I am, I am. I enjoy the memories. This one being the. The best example of that. But, like, I'm not trying to buy one of these back. And if I was, I. I would, you know, like anybody who's. Oh, I. I missed this car. Well, why don't you get one? I don't miss it that much. It's not like any of these cars I can't buy back. I know some people who are in that situation where they sold a car and then the values took off and they can't afford. Like, I can get a W210. It's a $14,000. But like, if I really missed it, I would. But I don't.

[Nick]

You know, the cars I yearn to get back are ones that I never owned, but I had like a exposure to it. So examples. My dad's friend had a 1967 GT500KR Mustang.

[Doug]

Oh, wow.

[Nick]

That he let me drive in high school and do a burnout. And so I always, whenever I see a green with white stripe GT500KR. I look at the Carfax and figure out, okay, was this in Columbus? And if so, maybe it's the one and I should buy. My grandpa had an E type.

[Doug]

I'm gonna stop you right there, Kenan. Do you want to ask him about it? Well, Columbus, how do you look at the Carfax if you don't from this?

[Nick]

Well, not a car, but you can look at the ownership history and stuff. You get a Marty report, you can kind of figure it out. Marty, that's not Carfax. But that usually it's like some level of owner documentation still in there.

[Kenan]

You post on the forum every.

[Doug]

Oh, like when someone comes up for sale. Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

The write up on the list.

[Doug]

Would you buy such a car?

[Nick]

I don't. Those in particular are very expensive. But my grandpa's E type, same thing. If that came around and it could be buyable for the right price, I'd be like, oh, sentimentally.

[Doug]

Anytime anyone does that, I always wonder like after the first couple years, are you just like, well, I don't even.

[Kenan]

Think it's the first couple weeks because.

[Doug]

You got grandpa Z type and it's like, okay, we got grandpa Z type.

[Kenan]

But.

[Doug]

But at some point you have a vehicle in your garage that you don't use much and grandpa sat in it 45 years ago. But like, like. Well, I mean I'm not sentimental about cars or property or anything like that. I don't get into that kind of stuff that much. But I guess there are some people who would, who would not feel that way. But to me it's like when you're done with it, you move it on and you don't think about it again and you hope never to hear from the guy who bought it. Now the guy who bought this, which is the car that I was certainly had the most personal attachment to, he does send me message every so often. I like to hear what's going on with it, but I'm not. I don't look at the pictures and.

[Kenan]

Think, oh, the guy who bought my Ferrari sends me a note every now and again to tell me that the car has been perfectly reliable for me. He hasn't had an issue. And I'm like, every time.

[Nick]

But nonetheless, my ornage guy messaged me.

[Kenan]

It was the same guy, right?

[Nick]

Isn't this no different guy? The guy bid on mine but did not win it. Oh, and he said the battery was dead because the alarm went off the entire way from San Diego to Tennessee. But he's like, I figured out how to turn the alarm off. And it's great. This thing is so fast and fun.

[Doug]

Oh, my God.

[Nick]

Car shipper's gonna ship, you know?

[Doug]

Yep. Yep.

[Nick]

All they said is they get it from point A to point B. They didn't say they'd turn off the alarm.

[Doug]

Okay, next question. The dude drove it with the alarm going to hold, I guess.

[Nick]

I mean, presumably the battery died somewhere in Texas.

[Doug]

Yeah, it killed the bat.

[Kenan]

Hey, man, when we're hauling across the country.

[Nick]

Can't hear it.

[Doug]

The reason was you had a. There was like an alarm sensor in it or something?

[Nick]

Yeah, I think like a tow sensor. So it was at a tilt and that was enough, but yeah.

[Doug]

Okay, next question. This one is from Sebway, and I want you both to weigh in on this. Even though it's for me, I want to hear your takes before I provide my monstrously outsized, ridiculous outburst. Take from Sebway. Question for Doug. Have you heard of the Rare Shades Festival?

[Nick]

No.

[Doug]

It's a festival dedicated to Porsche cars in different colors from the Paint to Sample program. You've never heard of that? No. My question is, how much would they have to pay you to attend? Or will he attend next year's event now that he's officially a Porsche guy?

[Kenan]

Let me do the math.

[Doug]

Will I attend?

[Kenan]

You carry the one.

[Doug]

Under absolutely no circumstances ever. But the question is, how much do they have to pay me? I mean, I'd probably do it for 100 grand post tax.

[Kenan]

100 grand post? You wouldn't do it for 50 grand post.

[Doug]

Where is it? Is it in LA, you think? If it's in LA for 50 grand post and I can go up and go back the same day, I would talk about it.

[Kenan]

What's it called?

[Doug]

Rare Shades Festival. If it's in the bay, 100 is my number. Seriously, Nick, tell me your thoughts on the Rare Shades Festival.

[Nick]

Would I go or would you be convinced? No.

[Doug]

What do you think about people meeting up to show off the colors of their Porsches?

[Nick]

I mean, it is great in that it gets all of those people off the road and away from me at one time. That cars and coffee in that area, in that vicinity that week will be amazing because, like, all of those people will just be elsewhere.

[Doug]

Yeah, they're elsewhere. They don't have to come to our cars.

[Nick]

It's at a Ritz Carlton, too. This is first in Canada, as you would say. It's like they're making fun of their own customers, you know?

[Doug]

Oh, man. What I've discovered is that there is a large Contingent of Porsche enthusiasts who care more about their spec than the driving experience of their car. And I think it's probably the single most pathetic thing that goes on in the automotive industry today.

[Nick]

I do think it's actually for those people though, that'll be really fun. I do think buying the car in the right color is incredibly important. So I can agree with a lot of it. I think the problem is that they just take it a little too far to your point.

[Doug]

But they buy the car and only want to talk about the color. Like we have that mutual friend on Instagram who did like a, like a, like a Oscar thank you like an Oscars Academy Awards thank you message to his dealer. I want to thank Porsche of whatever for for the opportunity to buy this paint to sample car. It was like this is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen in my entire life. And the fact that they then don't drive the cars like prior the driving experience is the, is the thing.

[Nick]

Yep.

[Doug]

The cool color is cool. And I'm, I'm into the people who buy it for the driving experience and then also get some weird color and that's cool. I'm into that. But the people who attend these things 0 mile trailer to the thing factory recommission because they wanted this F. That that is sad.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I agree. I, I, I remember earlier, it was earlier this year seeing a GT3RS, brand new one. You know, cars designed to be driven hard on the track. Like really take the abuse. And it was a pts color of some kind. And this guy just got out of it and immediately started drying it off because it had been slightly sprinkled on with rain. You're missing the point.

[Nick]

And coffee with a certain mutual friend who was a little worried about some dew on their spoiler this week.

[Kenan]

Yes. On the yeah, Gary, his F355 was a little worried.

[Doug]

I just, I just don't get into any sort of behavior. To me, a car is about the drive.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And, and the thing about the rare shades thing is it is literally the opposite of that. It's like celebrating. You're celebrating the way it's optioned in the spec.

[Kenan]

Nice spec.

[Doug]

Nice spec. Every oh my God, the spec is so nice. And I just think that is so far from the intent. And those people want to do that, that's fine. But I just would prefer they not come to my events or talk to me. Dude. The biggest problem since getting the arena, since the turbo, all of them come up to me now. Oh man. I had a this I got A this. I got it. And it's in flesh and blue and orange. And I don't know what that is and I don't care. Like, I truly don't care. I got one with no sunroof. It was only no sunroof for six months in 87.

[Nick]

Literally.

[Doug]

I'm not one of you. I joke about not being a Porsche guy, but like, I don't. I can't handle those. Like, mentally, I can't handle those conversations. Like, don't come at me with that.

[Kenan]

You.

[Nick]

You would appreciate it. So I broke my other MacBook and I took it in for a repair and the guy recognized me as Doug's friend.

[Doug]

No way.

[Nick]

But he wasn't authorized to help me. So he just chatted with me for like 20 minutes while I was waiting for my actual appointment. But it was like, oh boy, I hope he's not a pts.

[Doug]

No, they never are.

[Nick]

But he was actually a cool enthusiast. But, you know, sometimes you get trapped in those conversations. You're like, I literally can't leave.

[Kenan]

But again, I understand why. Because the cars are so ubiquitous. Because they're mass produced cars that Porsche just pumped out. And so if you want to distinguish your 87 Carrera different colors of big dudes. So I get that.

[Doug]

But I agree, the story that is.

[Nick]

Untold cars don't drive very well.

[Doug]

The story that's untold about that exact thing is that ultimately these cars are not that special. They're special almost entirely because of the way they drive. But if you're not capable of exploiting that, then you go down the. Oh, wow, it has a cool spec kind of thing.

[Nick]

Bonus question related to this what festival, if it was incredibly tailored to a very specific niche, would you go? I would do the.

[Doug]

That's a good question.

[Nick]

The Rare Colors Festival OR whatever. For B7RS4s, there are four Suzuka Gray ones on the planet. One has been totaled. If all four showed up, I would be there. I would pay 100 grand to attend Suzuka Gray.

[Doug]

It wasn't the most common color.

[Nick]

Slightly off white. It's white with like a touch of gray, but it's purple.

[Doug]

You're sitting here complaining about, I can't. I hope those Porsche people are off the road so I don't have to deal with them. He's over here talking about Suzuka Gray. One of the four.

[Nick]

It's a B7. It's God's chariot.

[Doug]

It's different.

[Kenan]

No, it isn't.

[Doug]

What, what, what weird event would you attend?

[Nick]

You would go to like a G.

[Kenan]

I mean I would go to.

[Doug]

I would never go to any event with fellow GCAB owners. I got to think about.

[Nick]

It would be legit. You have Travis Scott, Kylie Jenner.

[Doug]

I would never want to be around.

[Kenan]

I would, I would go to a non red Ferrari event where all the Ferraris were every color except for red.

[Doug]

There is no like color event that I would.

[Kenan]

If I'm saying if you had to pick one of these, you're saying you.

[Nick]

Would go to like a press color event.

[Doug]

I would go to press. That would be good. Press colors of normal cars from the 1980s, 90s through 2008. Yeah, that's all I want. Press colors of normal cars. I want to see like the Dodge Intrepid in that weird light blue that they had. I want to see the Cadillac CTS in the copper. Like that's. Yes. You know the other coin slot Maxima.

[Kenan]

In the copper, 46M3 in Phoenix yellow.

[Doug]

It's not normal enough.

[Nick]

The other color event we could do that I would go to and you would too would be the Sultan of Brunei festival. Or yellow on red car. Or red on yellow car as well as any car that was rescued from him.

[Kenan]

May attack or golf themed interior car.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you have like a golf interior, that counts.

[Kenan]

That counts.

[Doug]

What about Harlequins? That's a festival I'd go to.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Volkswagen Harlequin Golfs.

[Nick]

It'd be interesting.

[Doug]

It'd be an interesting crowd. I wouldn't.

[Nick]

We're getting close to redwood at that point.

[Kenan]

Kind of all of us honestly tailors right into redwood.

[Doug]

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[Kenan]

Well, sorry, Nebraska. I think that's probably depending on which route you take. Nebraska. I've driven across the country many times as well. I think that, I mean, it just goes on and on.

[Doug]

From Ohio, you go through Nebraska. I've never, I've never. Well, I've driven through Nebraska, but I'm not on that drive. Driven through Nebraska.

[Kenan]

Not the best, I think.

[Doug]

I mean, have you ever driven. No. Your longest drive was to monorail, probably here.

[Kenan]

Sedona, imagine.

[Doug]

Guy doesn't like to drive, you know what he should do.

[Nick]

I don't like monotonous road trips.

[Doug]

Monotonous. You see the country, you get a big.

[Kenan]

The country is. I think once you're west of Denver and you start to get into the mountains, then it becomes pretty.

[Doug]

I 70 through Colorado is the most beautiful section of interstate in the country. There's no question about that.

[Kenan]

I think that. Yeah. And that. And it's. It's just when I did it the first time, I mean, I had driven and skied there, so I knew what it was like. But my friend Ryan hadn't seen it. And to watch someone experience that the.

[Doug]

First time, it is that specifically that stretch of interstate, because interstates are normally so wide and slow and boring with small curves. And that one is like. I was a kid growing up in Denver. When you're coming down the freeway, up the freeway I70, there's runaway truck ramps everywhere. Yes. And I just. As a kid, I thought all freeways must have runaway. Like that's normal. That was normal. That was the only freeway we ever drove on. It must have runaway truck range ramps. And. And I discovered later that that's not actually normal.

[Kenan]

If you guys in Nebraska, you can just kind of just go off.

[Doug]

The whole state's like, you don't lose your brakes because you're not riding your brakes. But it literally never occurred to me as a child that that was something that wasn't just commonly done in. In interstate Highways. It's really beautiful. However, on that drive across the country in Nantucket, I take to go through the south and I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw you a curveball here. Most beautiful state. Arkansas. Tennessee.

[Nick]

Love Arkansas.

[Kenan]

Really.

[Doug]

Arkansas. There are times I'm on that drive, my family's not with me, right. And I'm like two days on the road away from my family and I get off to get gas in Arkansas, you know, and there's trees everywhere and there's like a little creek and there's like a, like a swamp kind of, and like this bergen. And I think to myself, you know, I could just keep going. I could just get off onto this county road and buy myself a nice property in Arkansas, raise chickens, you know.

[Kenan]

Well, okay.

[Doug]

It is so beautiful. The south is the. So beautiful. And specifically the like densely green South.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I've developed a real affinity for the South. Even when we went to imsa, we went to road Atlanta. And just like the roads out there, so they're in Buford and stuff. And how beautiful the lakes, lot of trees.

[Doug]

East Tennessee friends in Chattanooga. And I love Chattanooga. I'm on Chattanooga Zillow all the time. And I'm always dreaming.

[Kenan]

Always dreaming.

[Doug]

Meanwhile, Nick. Nick's favorite spot is Mesa. Mesa, Arizona.

[Kenan]

Wait, so, okay, so you're saying most beautiful state, either Tennessee or Arkansas, Your least favorite state.

[Doug]

East Tennessee on the interstate that I drive through. Because west western part of Colorado is incredibly beautiful, but east Tennessee on the interstate, you drive through some beautiful mountains and cross some incredible winding rivers and hillside. Yeah, the worst state to drive through on that drive. I mean, I guess it's Oklahoma. I'm a guy from the middle of the country. I love the middle of the country. I love a lot of those places. I don't like, hate. I don't hate any of those places. North Texas, I will take that back. I40 through North Texas is the worst part of the world. Just nothing, sorry to say. I think that's Amarillo. And if we've just lost our Amarillo viewers, I'm sorry. But also, you know, you know, and.

[Kenan]

Nixie, you've never done this drive.

[Nick]

I've never done a cross country drive. Don't really have an ambition.

[Kenan]

So you don't have an ambition.

[Nick]

Once I was cruising through Galveston and I saw a Lambo driving through water.

[Kenan]

Cruising through Galveston.

[Nick]

Pretty sure it was a Lambo. Dude.

[Doug]

That'S the all time, the all time greatest car YouTube video. It is way better than any of mine.

[Nick]

Nice.

[Doug]

Okay, next question. And this is the great question that we've gotten this week. Hey Doug and friends from this is Patrick06 Again, you're the friends. Just a quick question. Have you guys ever heard of the Audi A1 Club Sport Quattro? Pull it up.

[Nick]

Of course.

[Doug]

This car. I don't want to talk about this car actually because I feel like I'm worried the values are going to go up and when it's finally legal.

[Kenan]

Yeah, they're so cool.

[Doug]

I'm not going to be able to grab one. I'm telling you right now, there is no car that I want to import more than this car. None.

[Kenan]

Oh, that is so cool.

[Doug]

Nick, tell us your thoughts as an Audi man.

[Nick]

I mean what's not to like? It's such a good size, tons of power.

[Doug]

What this was was a little. So A one was like a super mini, like the smallest hatchback that they made. But while most of these were front wheel drive tiny city cars to get people into the Audi brand early, this one they made for some reason a high performance version, the A1 Quattro, which had 260 horsepower and all wheel drive in this car. It's incredible and it's so cool. They had white wheels.

[Nick]

It's funny. Although if this were done aftermarket you.

[Doug]

Would just be like this is the worst thing I've ever.

[Nick]

And it kind of looks like a SEMA build just throwing that out there. Like those oz wheels are rotiform wheels that wing like.

[Doug]

It's so right.

[Kenan]

It is right.

[Nick]

An A1 and a couple cold ones. I can build you one that looks identical.

[Doug]

They only made 330. Yeah, but you can't put all wheel drive in it.

[Nick]

That probably has all of this in stock. You know it'll ship it out of Ohio.

[Kenan]

That's right.

[Doug]

I think this is one of the. They didn't do a stick but I think it was a dual clutch and I think it is just one of the. I love cars this size and I love like toss around cars like this. I'm not a front wheel drive guy. Not a lot of car people are. And so having an all wheel drive system in this car, it must be so.

[Nick]

It would be.

[Doug]

I want one so, so, so bad.

[Kenan]

Yep, I support that.

[Doug]

And if I had to kill Kenan to get one, I, I would, I.

[Kenan]

Would, I wouldn't be that upset about it myself.

[Doug]

I'd think about it. That's my thought on it now. These cars were like 2011. So we're a long way away. 10 years still.

[Kenan]

Oh, that could be you that could be me skidding across the.

[Doug]

I did get one imported Audi. That. That was disappointing.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, slightly two actually.

[Doug]

By the way, go back to the rs.

[Nick]

Two counts as well, doesn't it?

[Doug]

That was the one I was talking about.

[Nick]

What about the A2?

[Doug]

Oh, yeah, I've been.

[Nick]

You got two.

[Doug]

I've only been disappointed by imported Audis. The interior was so cool. Look at this, Nick. We could be sitting in this right now.

[Nick]

Yep. Again, SEMA build or adjacent, especially with the speed hunters.

[Doug]

And you know what? At every place, everywhere you took it, people would think, oh yeah, for sure. Some dumb aftermarket belt. They only made 333 of them for the whole world. And I think it is just one of the coolest cars on the planet. I really truly do.

[Kenan]

I agree with that.

[Doug]

Okay, next question from Tennessee Cool cat into our section of Tenon. Questions from Tennessee Cool Cat cat. Is no one going to talk about the hypocrisy of Kenan buying a tip? Everyone seems to be avoiding the conversation intentionally. Kenan, what is your justification? Just like everyone else has for their own reason that they bought a tip. And by the way, there's nothing wrong with it.

[Kenan]

Well, you know, I've owned all manual cars except for my twin turbocharged V12 Mercedes. So. You know, you're right. You got me there.

[Doug]

So your point is it's okay to buy a tip if you buy. If you get one that has 1,000 pound feet of torque.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

If you're getting a Rentech tuned SL65 or a Dodge 3500 power wagon, then you can buy a tip.

[Kenan]

Yes. I've always wanted an SL65 and I felt for the longest time that one of its shortcomings was its transmission. I don't actually feel that way that much anymore about it. That car is so point and shoot and you kind of want it to hold on the gears. The auto suits the nature of.

[Doug]

Absolutely.

[Kenan]

As a lot of AMG cars absolutely.

[Doug]

Tried to make this point to some of us and he doesn't accept it.

[Kenan]

He seems to be more accepting of it now. But I think that yes, I always wanted that car. And while it doesn't have a manual, I have to say I've really enjoyed. I enjoy it. Anyway, I do think that. I agree that generally having you. I always want a manual. And since I'll likely have my M5 for a long time, I still get that. That joy. But. And I think that most fun cars should be manual. But nonetheless, you wanted the experience. Yeah.

[Doug]

Your justification is you wanted the Experience of this crazy car. A lot of people's justification is I get tired. No, actually that ain't me. I'm.

[Kenan]

I'm not tired.

[Doug]

I don't mind having tip cars. I have a bunch of lunch. However, I want to point something out. You got half tips, you got all tips. You don't have a manual car at all.

[Kenan]

Right now he's got the Fiat.

[Doug]

That doesn't count.

[Nick]

Yeah, it doesn't.

[Doug]

Not only is it broken, but he's desperately trying to get out of there. I, however, have a majority of manuals. Yes.

[Kenan]

I'm a 50, 50 split at the moment. My next car will be a manual for sure.

[Doug]

I'm 4/7, which works out to 57 manuals. Nick, do you have any?

[Kenan]

Just hedges me.

[Doug]

Do you have any, any anything to say about that?

[Nick]

No. In the next few cars I'm in the market for are all automatics.

[Doug]

Yeah, that's true. Nick's moved on. He's getting older, he's getting grayer.

[Kenan]

That B7 is getting further in his rearview mirror.

[Doug]

Yeah, pretty soon it'll be like a B7RS4. But I wish they had made an auto.

[Kenan]

If only they.

[Doug]

That Tiptronic was just so satisfying to put into gear and then push over to the.

[Nick]

You know, it's hard to carfax your old cars when you're. We're driving a stick. You know, you need the hand free type in those long.

[Doug]

You're not driving a stick. Stick.

[Nick]

Exactly. I'm. I'm make. I'm being productive. I'm doing deals at the stoplight.

[Kenan]

Big businesses.

[Doug]

That's interesting. I. Yeah. You guys are now auto people. Yeah.

[Kenan]

I wouldn't say that.

[Nick]

The viewer is very astute on our deep state conspiracy of. Of burying that news story.

[Kenan]

I didn't.

[Nick]

The truth is out. The shocking truth revealed.

[Kenan]

Made only as an automatic.

[Doug]

Everybody on this pot has always been like only manuals. Only manuals. Then they all end up with automatics. Filippo. Mr. Only Man. Daniels himself has an automatic. He's got an automatic. I'm the only one for my fun cars who's never deviated. I've never had a fun car with only two pedals ever in my entire life.

[Nick]

Time to man up and get a Veyron. And guess what? Trans, that's gonna have a tip.

[Doug]

Next. Kenan question. This question is for Kennen and this is a good one. And then we have a Nick question. Kennen, this one is for Kenan. Kenan, Ken. Kenan. Kenan, we all know how much you love your M5. But is it your M5 that you love or is it the E39 M5 in general? If a lower mileage M5 in your dream spec with extensive service history became available, would you sell the M5 you have now in order to get it? That's from OP Starfish.

[Kenan]

Really good question. I have run into this situation before and honestly, it is my M5 that I love specifically.

[Doug]

Wow. Who doesn't even love the Ethereum 5?

[Kenan]

Yeah, I do love them because it's.

[Nick]

A rare shade of silver. Silver and another silver.

[Kenan]

Yes, that is true. But yeah. No, I think it has become for time the answer that was yes, because I didn't want a silver one specifically. I didn't want an O2. I didn't want the black interior. I. I did. That's not what I wanted. And that's exactly what I got. And so for a while the answer would have been yes. But as I've grown to like. As I've grown with this car, I. I don't see having.

[Doug]

You wouldn't swap out, let's say unless it gets totaled.

[Kenan]

I would. Don't think I would.

[Doug]

Would. Let's say sunburst yellow becomes available. All right.

[Kenan]

The famous Dakar yellow.

[Doug]

We'll say whatever it is. The famous yellow car comes available.

[Kenan]

I don't really want the banana. There are. There are colors. Like, what do you like Interlagos. There is one there. So two that come to mind. There's one Estoril Blue E39 M5 in the United States. It was painted by BMW individuals in 03. It was in Georgia last I remember finding the M5 board looks too.

[Doug]

We'll post a picture of looks so good.

[Kenan]

There is. And there's one that's in Eastern Europe. It's the only one that was made in Topaz blue, which was my 525 color. And I loved that blue. It's a really nice blue. It's the blue of the Z8s. It's that. That blue. And so if. If one of those came up, I think that would be. That would really push me. But.

[Doug]

But there only one of each.

[Kenan]

So like they made more Asura ones, but usually they're UK cars and right hand drive.

[Nick]

It's like my Suzuka gray.

[Kenan]

R for like. Yes. That you're.

[Nick]

We're keeping tabs on them, but they'll just never be an offer.

[Kenan]

Your elephant actually is white. Mine is, you know.

[Doug]

Next question from Cool Man Food. This question about me. But to you guys. Dear Doug, you talk all about how exciting it is to have certain cars in your friend group. Like for example, an slr. I'm curious. Was anyone in your friend group excited for the 993 Turbo or has it been ended up being a car just for you? No one cares about the 993 Turbo.

[Nick]

Turbo.

[Doug]

In our friend group. In public, no one cares.

[Kenan]

I like the car, but since our friend Sam was into it.

[Nick]

Yeah, the Porsche guys in our group, Edison and Sam are pretty happy.

[Doug]

Nick like actively does not like the car. He thinks it's a radically stupid money.

[Nick]

No, I'm, I'm into it. I, I would never follow your footsteps.

[Doug]

Here, but the same week I got it, he spent the same money for an SLR car. And I got an old 911 Turbo.

[Nick]

Precisely.

[Doug]

Precisely where the, the fan belt sensor warning light is, is permanently on. Listen, the car, that car is a great example of a car that is only for the person sitting in the driver's seat. And I have other cars that impress people when I drive them around, but that is absolutely not it. But I am impressed by driving it. And I think, you know, there's, there's benefits to all of that. You know, your SLR people are like, whoa. Meanwhile you get in your focus and then you're like, whoa.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

You know what I'm saying?

[Nick]

For sure. Yeah.

[Kenan]

Right.

[Nick]

A lot of I see the focus ST's out there.

[Kenan]

Well, I'm, I'm happy for you, but that's. And I do love the993. I think it's one of the all time great 911s.

[Doug]

I will say my own generation, as, as undesirable as the car has been among members of the public and our friends group who barely even batted an eyelash on it when I pull up in it. You know, we'd made it like a tradition that we all like show up when someone's car is getting delivered to like see it. All of us would like take off a work and like go to the trailer and you know, check out the car. 93 Turbo came. People like, well, okay, so lunch.

[Nick]

I will agree other than the reason I'm happy about it is because it signifies you being back on cars openly and not buying the these BSE cars that were like, you know, $6,000. What's the snail car? The S cargo.

[Doug]

The. The thing I was going to say though is quickly in my world it has become a huge hit and I haven't driven my other cars in a while.

[Kenan]

Did you drive the K? Well, I mean, drove The K recently not much.

[Nick]

Not.

[Doug]

Not a Porsche GT I am never using which is so sad cuz I did take it out the other day and I love it so much.

[Kenan]

Clutch.

[Doug]

But poor Ford. The 993's you know practical because you.

[Kenan]

Can take your kids in it is that.

[Doug]

That's a big part of it. Also the holiday season is a time for practicality. I often running errands. Yep I had to go pick up ice the other day. Ford GT has literally no storage. Storage.

[Kenan]

That's true.

[Nick]

Literally not after we finish wrapping. I'm returning a toilet bowl cover to the UPS store right above. So I'm with you. You got to. You got to be ready. The P38 delivers.

[Doug]

Okay, next.

[Nick]

I was going to lock the car but the LOC really work and you're like it's a toilet. You know the whole car is a toilet. If you need a new toilet seat cover, go ahead.

[Doug]

He's got a toilet and a toilet.

[Kenan]

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[Doug]

Weenie asks question for all three of you if you were comfortable taking the approach that other Auto automotive youtubers had towards financing their cars. What would your collection look like? I think about this all the time because I watch these guys and I know some of their financial situations either from them personally or from being told about it from. And I know what's going on behind the scenes and I know that they're one. Everybody's always. Some of these YouTubers, everybody's always like, you're complaining about this, but You're a rich YouTuber. I want to chime in and be like, you have no idea how close that dude is to personal dynamics. But unfortunately I don't do that. I own all my cars and. But I wish I could be irresponsible. In which case they said, would you have an F40? Yeah, I'd probably have an F50. Honestly, what would you get?

[Kenan]

I don't know. I mean I would probably. I probably would stretch back into that 100,000 ish. Like, I mean for me probably a 575 or something. I thought I would stretch back into like it's just not the right time to.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Spend 100 grand on a car again. Like I did with.

[Doug]

What about a 599?

[Kenan]

I'm so funny you mentioned that. I was. This past weekend there was A manual swamped 599 at our at Cars and Coffee. That car gets more appealing by the day to me. Even over the 550 and 575 like it. That engine just hits you in the face, you know it does.

[Doug]

Which actually is one of the reasons why the manual. The drawback of a manual with that car is it's so fast that if you're doing any sort of real speed driving the manual is like too much almost. But you still want a manual.

[Kenan]

You still. Yeah. Because most of the time you're not driving like that.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

So yeah, I think, yeah, 599. And then doing the stick conversion on if I were brave like Nick because you know, you look at a 599, it's 10 grand.

[Doug]

You look at 599, it's 10 grand.

[Kenan]

So yeah, 599 is probably. That's a good point. That's probably the one. That's probably the one for me. What about you?

[Nick]

I feel like I'm inching dangerously close to what he's describing in the first place. Every YouTube video I produce probably nets me a massive four figure loss in terms of all the maintenance I did to make like $30 in AdSense back. So I'm kind of what he's describing. Right. If I were Willing to get more leveraged. I would have a second fun car. And I really. You and I agree on this so much. Much. But an XJ220.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Or an S7, something punishingly expensive to own that you will literally never see again. It'll be the only one that you see driving anywhere you go.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Something like that. That's just beyond ridiculous.

[Doug]

XJ220 would be so cool.

[Nick]

I also either one if I were to be a little bit more practical. Diablo 60.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Nick]

But a Diablo is our friend is proving is a very difficult car to own. But I, I want one so badly. Badly.

[Doug]

Yeah, I, me too. That would be cool.

[Nick]

I would have a lot of stuff. Yeah.

[Doug]

Because I could leverage a lot and really go crazy. I would definitely get an F40. F50.

[Nick]

The problem is, you've discovered is once you get past like 10 cars, it, it becomes a burden.

[Doug]

That's one of the reasons I'd go after like the craziest of crazy. I would have a lot of crazy stuff, but it'd be about probably about the same number of cars. And my financial situation would be sketch. As sketchy as some of the people who, who are out there today possibly watching and thinking, am I talking about. Is he talking about me?

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Yeah. And by the way, not hoovy compared to some of these guys that we've now heard some stories about. Hoovy is Dave Ramsey.

[Nick]

You can see how it happens though, because you normalize it very quickly.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Nick]

It's just like a well.

[Doug]

And you're thinking only about monthly expenses. Like can I cover this? Can I cover the payment this, this month? If I make it this much in adsense, I can do that. And you're not thinking about like any sort of long term saving or how you can continue to exist or whatever. And so like your only thought is, can I cover that payment this month? If I make this video, I can. Okay, well then I get another one or do even more crazy videos and the next thing you know, you're like, you're like you're earning 150 grand a month, but your, your spend is 146 grand a month, you know.

[Nick]

Yeah. And you've convinced everyone, I think convinces themselves they're Mr. Beast where they're not spending recklessly, they're reinvesting into the business, you know? You know, but like it's not, it's.

[Doug]

Different from kinetic sf. This is on the topic of what we just discussed, Doug. When are you going to stop kidding yourself and give into the siren song of the 550 or 575. Given your comment in the video about being a daily option like your Ford GT, it seems like you do a straight equal dollar swap for a manual 550 or 575 or an auto and save money. So swapping the 4 GT into one of those, there is literally nothing in the world that would convince me to swap my Ford GT into 550 or 535. There is literally nothing on on this planet. No possible thing that could do that. Anyway. Next question.

[Kenan]

Because the Ferrari is just more fragile. The Ford is a very simple car. Realistically, it's very easy to take care of, parts are inexpensive. That not one of those things can be said about.

[Doug]

The 75 is daily able from the perspective that it is relatively comfortable and relatively soft and relatively not noticeable and quite practical. More so than the Ford gt. But the thing the Ford GT has over those cars is, is that it is durable. And the 550 and 575, they are not durable, they are not reliable, they are expensive when they break. They are relatively reliable for Ferraris. If you were going to daily one these cars, some of them have real miles on them. They're totally great, but they're not like the Ford gt. And more importantly, at the end of the day, the Ford GT just drives way better. Like not even close. Like simply drives much better. Like an order of magnitude.

[Kenan]

Yeah. As it should. It's a different category of car.

[Doug]

Different category, different 10 years old. I mean, it's much newer. I think that's really the big factor. There is nothing that would convince me to do it. I still think about getting a Ferrari. Canon is constantly getting on me about how I don't have a Ferrari.

[Nick]

I've got all these stick swaps.

[Kenan]

You've owned one Ferrari and one BMW.

[Doug]

It's something to think about. I got all these cars in my garage and I got two Porsches now, which is honestly embarrassing. And I don't have a Ferrari. What is going on?

[Kenan]

Well, it makes sense. Your use case for it is difficult.

[Doug]

Why don't you convince me to get a Ferrari?

[Kenan]

I'll work on it. I'm trying to get you to a BMW first and we're working our way there.

[Doug]

Sport Evo. Yeah, dude. When we do that, I will be able to race, race anybody in a Ford Fusion Titanium.

[Kenan]

I don't think that's true.

[Doug]

No.

[Kenan]

I don't think they could take Gap. They take you to Gappelbeast.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Nick]

By now though, they're all probably A little down on power. Yeah, you might have a shot.

[Doug]

That's a good point. Maybe That's a good point. Plus, when do you find one? This isn't Huron, Ohio, am I right?

[Nick]

Yeah. Or Sandusky.

[Doug]

Okay, next question. We have a few more. We got a few more questions here. Dear Doug, you don't seem to care about show worthy low mileage cars. You like cars that are for driving. But do door dings and roc bother you or is that part of what makes a car in your view? And then he says, do you pay to fix door dings and rock chips in your cars? I never have.

[Kenan]

Ever.

[Doug]

Not once. Remember when I sold those cars on the site with the broken windshields and everybody got so mad at me. People are like, how can you do this? The windshield's broken. You could just replace it.

[Kenan]

You can see it right there, big crack.

[Doug]

No, I don't fix any of that stuff. A little different opinions on this side of the table. Ken and Nick, do you want to give yours? Yes.

[Kenan]

I'm very careful about where I park my car car. So it's rare that it gets a door ding. But it like periodically it has to go in for dent removal and pdr. It's not, it's not a big deal. Stone chips, I'm actually less precious about. I've been waiting for one to hit my windshield for years. I'm so eager to replace that windshield and it just never happens. It's got lots of little chips in it, but nothing big enough to like. Just because I know if I replace it, it's gonna. That'll be the day I take it.

[Doug]

Off, place it in ppf.

[Kenan]

I hate the way PPF looks and it scratches every time you use them.

[Doug]

I will say one of the reasons I don't care about this, I got PPF. So my big four, four of my big five, the 993, the Ford GT, the Crew GT, they are all PPF fully. The Countach isn't, but the paint's trash and I keep, and I keep running it into stuff. So really it's not a problem. And so it's not as big of an issue to me because when you have the whole car ppf, including the windshield, you don't have to necessarily be quite as good careful. Especially about paint factory. The PDR doesn't bother me at all. I mean, yeah, you can just get that done.

[Kenan]

It's true.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

I, for me, it's like I don't know. To do great PPF work versus painting. It costs the same like real. If you realistically look in.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

And it's like. And PPF is not all it's cracked up to be. It stains and gets crap all over it. And you do. It's like there's a level of care required for. If you want, if you're me and want it to be perfect. That it's like, it is more difficult than I had realized.

[Doug]

Never in my life have done anything.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I'm aware. But, but yeah, I don't know, it's just not for me. What about you? Are you bothered by rock chips somewhere.

[Nick]

In between the two of you? They bother me, but I live with them, I drive the cars. They all have imperfections. You find out about them. To your point, PDR and ppf, plus an occasional respray. Like I'm buying used cars. So like, I think it's if you buy something new and you want to preserve it. That's why the SLR bothered me is it was 4,000 some miles. I had to PPF it because it just was too nice and I knew I would screw something up.

[Doug]

And so he ended up ppfing random panels. He did like couple fronts. One of the sides.

[Nick]

Well, I told Kevin, do the front clip. And he's like, oh, well, while we're in there, we should do this part. We should do that part. And I didn't really do the calculus that he basically said let's do everything but like a door. But.

[Doug]

Rock chips don't. No, listen, we're not, we can't all be canon. We wish we could. Good God.

[Kenan]

I, I, Yeah, well, yes.

[Doug]

Okay, next question from Kiromex9192. Kiromex9192. Is there a cutting room floor of not safe for work. Nick, footage that we're all missing out on. I swear, a few weeks ago, you and costume Kennen were laughing way too hard at an innocuous Nick joke. And it couldn't have just been the one that was said.

[Nick]

Yep.

[Doug]

I bet it wasn't.

[Nick]

Yep.

[Kenan]

Our producer made the decision to cut that. It was really funny.

[Doug]

Every time Nick's on the show, Nick starts his show with this, with this man of the people. I don't support Bezos. I love the workers rant. You should see what he says when the cameras are off.

[Kenan]

Nick is one of the most entertaining people I know and there are things that we can't, for his safety, we can't put out.

[Nick]

But I like to think I have no filter. The reality is I just don't think.

[Doug]

Before it talk similar, though.

[Kenan]

I mean, that's the same thing.

[Nick]

There have been a number of clips circulated through the friend group of things I said that did not make the podcast. So, yeah, it occasionally happens. I also think it's a good way to start the podcast if I make you laugh really hard and then throw you off your balance a little bit. So sometimes I strategically plant something in there just to mess with your head.

[Kenan]

And other times it just. Just how it comes out.

[Nick]

Yeah, sometimes it just comes out.

[Kenan]

No.

[Doug]

Nick says a lot of stuff that is totally insane. We call him Crazy Nick and. And Ian. I think that his full crazy isn't able to really shine through because some of the stuff just simply can't be put in front of hundreds of thousands of people.

[Nick]

But you know what's funny is the haters on the YouTube comment against me, say that I don't take enough. Like, my opinions are very predictable and normal, and that I need to, like, take a more controversial opinion. I'm like, those just get cut.

[Doug]

His opinions. That's insane that he says that because he bought an slr. The whole thing was that he got rid of his mercy, which everybody loves, and then the S. He got an slr. That's the least predictable opinion a person could.

[Nick]

You know who else got an slr? Mana got another one.

[Doug]

No, he did not.

[Nick]

He bought the one on bring using an alias. He's gonna do another HDK full MSO recommission kind of thing. But, yeah, he got. I think it's his 10th.

[Doug]

You're kidding.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

People say I have a problem.

[Nick]

When he bought it, he then screenshotted it on his Instagram. He goes, wow, someone got an insane deal and it was him. He later revealed that. So, like, he was in on the joke. But, like, I love Betty's.

[Doug]

Yeah, I love Betty's indescribably much. You know what you want to do do is you ought to burn down Manny's car warehouse because that would have a significant impact on the number of SLRs around.

[Kenan]

Don't give him an idea.

[Doug]

Like, 10, 10 fewer cars maybe.

[Nick]

The rare Shades festival needs to be hosted at the Kashpin company headquarters.

[Doug]

Dude, I got a Manny story for you that I've never told in this pod before. I went up to film something with him. I used to film with him. He doesn't really use his. Like, he doesn't drive his cars, so I can't really film with him because I like to do a drive, which is a shame because I legitimately, like, liked Manny. Like, I've met some people doing this, who. And then I met some people who I like. And Manny's one of the ones I truly liked. And he told me because Manny had a yellow car gt and he told me right before they were starting to take off. Take off as they were starting to take off, that he had sold it for like 650 and he said it needed like 85 in service. It needed the courage after like 15 years near the end, engine out. And it needed like, you know, the cams were pitting. I mean it needed real service. And if the market hadn't quite taken off yet and I at that point was like could have stretched and maybe. And shame got away. Yeah, that's a 2 million car now.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And I have stuck with silver.

[Kenan]

Good.

[Doug]

Meanwhile, Manny's stockpiling slr. It should have been stockpiled. He messed up.

[Nick]

I mean he's like Michael Burry in the Big Short. He's not wrong. He's just early.

[Kenan]

He's early.

[Nick]

Early, yeah, he's early.

[Doug]

And it's all going to work out for him eventually.

[Kenan]

Nice. Great quote.

[Doug]

Here's a question for you guys on the subject of craziness. Me424 writes, you said that in the past Crazy Nick is only at a 7 out of 10 for his YouTube videos, which is true by the way. He's crazier on the pod, I think, than he is in his own videos. He almost needs people to like play.

[Kenan]

Off, goat him on like you.

[Doug]

When. When we do. We did this thing with the A2 on the desert. He. We got to edit some of it because it's not appropriate. Like what? The car maintenance habits of people in parts of the middle of the country. We cover some of that. But anyway, I don't recall that. I'll remind you off podcast. But anyway, on the same scale, the question asks how much crazier is Doug in real life compared to the podcast?

[Kenan]

You are pretty crazy. We do give him a lot of shtick, but you have a. It's fun setting you off. Like when you. He says something, you go what? It's like it's. Doug is crazy in some other ways. Like I don't think people realize how deep your tennis addiction really runs. Like, yeah, I only.

[Doug]

I only like to talk about cars. I don't really get into some of the non car stuff. I have some real passions and interests that have nothing to do with cars. That we never come and they run deep.

[Kenan]

All of a sudden he'll mention something. It's like, what long form did he read today where he got in to that? So there's some. There's. Yeah. Doug is a. A very crazy person as well. I have to. We're all pretty nuts in different ways.

[Nick]

I always describe you as you're exactly in your videos, how you are in real life.

[Doug]

You think so?

[Nick]

I. I see zero difference. You are incredibly energetic and loud and fun, but, like, over the top at all times, on or off camera.

[Doug]

I would argue, though, in the main, the regular videos, I'm not as much like that as I am in the pod, where I think my real. It's like how we all thought Jerry Seinfeld was like a warm teddy bear, nice guy until we started watching Comedians and Cars get. And we realized he hates everyone. Now, I don't hate everyone, to be clear, but I think there's like a personality shift that was realized when I got on the pod.

[Nick]

I feel like when you're on the pod, you're not like, really. You're maybe turning up the energy a little bit, but you're very high energy. Like, this is largely a representative sample.

[Doug]

As it is, of you. Yeah, this is real, Nick.

[Nick]

You come over. You compliment my home decor in the same calm manner that you speak here. It's very consistent.

[Doug]

This is great stuff. Stuff.

[Nick]

You love my nautical theme.

[Doug]

This is great. I love that you've hung this generic picture of a boat from HomeGoods a little bit off center on this wall that's 10 times larger than the painting. This is great. That's what I say.

[Kenan]

I have heard him say stuff like that before. Oh, gosh.

[Nick]

We did a walking tour of my neighborhood once and.

[Doug]

Oh, yeah, that was. That was.

[Nick]

Couldn't look at any of my neighbors in the eye for a while.

[Doug]

That was a tough situation for everybody. I somewhat regret that. But also, I couldn't stop it. Next question from Benny T. Mostly for Doug. You have a short list of cars left after having so many. You have a short list of cars left after having so many. What else is on it? You know, it's an interesting point. And I've started to realize that I don't have that many more cars left that I actually want, which is a scary thought. I had made a list like, 10 years ago of cars I want.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And on that list, and I've kept it as an apple note on my phone for 10 years. And on that list, I have either crossed off or no longer desired almost every car. And I'm not adding to it. I'm not sitting here like Ooh, this came out. I really want that. It's getting, it's getting slim. Which is one of the reasons I haven't sold any of my special cars. I don't find replacements that I'm like really particularly interested in. When I look at my list of cars that I want, this famous list that I want, I have that I've been keeping for so long. The only things that I see that I really, really still want. Some sort of Euro only Mercedes AMG wagon. Either a C55 from 2005 or a C43 from the late 90s or an E55 from 01. An Evo 6, left hand drive in blue. They don't exist. Basically. 996 GT2, 911 Mark 4 super turbo for sure. Magnum, Sega Cruiser R34 GTR. That's kind of it. That's like. That's like six cars, right? And that's. I got my whole life left to live. What am I gonna do? An F40. I mean I got F40. I've got some expensive stuff on this list that would be amazing. But I can't. Couldn't afford it then, can't afford it now, probably never will. And I'm kind of okay with that. There's just not all that much stuff that I'm particularly interested anymore. And that scares me. That like literally scares me as I'm not exaggerating. Like when I think about it, like nothing and not cars aren't being built that I sit here thinking that's going to go on my list.

[Kenan]

Yep. My list is not long either as I look at it.

[Doug]

What do you have on you? Got a list?

[Kenan]

Of course. Yeah. And I made this probably also about six, seven years ago.

[Nick]

Six, seven.

[Kenan]

Actually not many. Only one, Only two.

[Doug]

Why are you like.

[Nick]

I don't know.

[Kenan]

You are a literal child. So. Yeah, so for me, the only BMW Z4 Roadster and Z8 are on there.

[Doug]

Not M coupe, Z4, M coupe.

[Kenan]

Nope. Roadster live in Southern California.

[Doug]

But the coupe is cool.

[Kenan]

V first gen V12 Vanquish, S CT5V Blackwing, Dodge Viper RT10 or SRT10. 575, 612, 599G Superleg Air, first gen LC500, 996 Turbo, 997.1 GT3, 981-Boxer, Spider.

[Nick]

But that's.

[Doug]

Those cars will last you a while. One of those every two years, you're good till you're 60.

[Kenan]

Yeah, there you go. I'm screwed. You're.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Well, yes, we're at different seasons of our lives.

[Doug]

I'm out.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

This is it.

[Kenan]

I don't know what to do.

[Doug]

We're not that different in age. I'm only seven years older than you are.

[Kenan]

That's. That's a pretty significant difference.

[Doug]

I want a list like that.

[Kenan]

Well, I'll, I'll send it to you. I'll take it to you.

[Doug]

Is incredibly long. The.

[Nick]

It's very long. Although I realize part of the reason it's so long is I have the Blackwood in there twice.

[Kenan]

He wants it so much.

[Nick]

However, I think the problem we were discussing op pod is as you ascend the ranks of automotive vehicles, it's hard to take back steps. Right. The Termi Cobra for instance, we wanted that forever. But if you've had a Ford gt, it's a huge step backwards and you're never going to drive it. Same with the multipla. It's cool. But when I have an SLR and a P38 and all these amazing vehicles to just choose from, it's hard to choose the multiple. So that out of the way.

[Doug]

I, I agree with that. That's a point. That is like real. I, I think about that a lot. Like there are cars on this list that I really idolized at one point. Yeah. But then I look at it now. Multiple was on my list, but I look at it now and I'm like, I know what that's going to be like. And I, I'm just not gonna.

[Nick]

Been there, done that.

[Doug]

Been there, done that. Kind of.

[Nick]

Yeah. I think that's why all these brands are coming out that are like the SSC2 Atara and the Aspark Owl for people who just.

[Doug]

For the. They got it all. What else is out there?

[Nick]

Yeah. They need something more exotic and ridiculous. And so unless it has 2000 horsepower and a 13 speed manual transmission, they're not interested. So I, I will say I'm surprised at your list. Like a Chrysler ME412.

[Doug]

I do think both of our list would change if our financial circumstances changed. Right? Yeah.

[Kenan]

Oh yeah. Would be on the list. And so, I mean, yeah, like if.

[Doug]

I had a ton more money, there would be more cars. Not as many as I wish, but like if you. You'd have F40, et cetera, et cetera.

[Kenan]

Powerball's at a billion dollars.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

If I won that, like it would be. Yeah. I mean, absolutely. I'd chop in an F50 next week.

[Doug]

You know, it would almost be sad.

[Nick]

It would be speedboat season.

[Doug]

You know, it would almost be sad though, because don't you think that we would eventually get to the same place with infinite money that we've gotten to without infinite money?

[Kenan]

You know, I think sort of, but.

[Doug]

I think nice to have.

[Nick]

You'd be getting it.

[Kenan]

I don't know. I think we're intellectual. I like to think we're intellectual enough. I think it would balloon like this and then we kind of pare down and you just end up with a 993 Turbo.

[Doug]

But that's kind of my point. Like 10 years after you had infinite money, you'd sit there and be like, yeah, I had The X ray 200, whatever, and you know what? I didn't want any of those cars. And there's still nothing that I want. And now I have infinite money and there's still nothing that I want. That'd be sad. I almost don't want infinite money for that reason. It would be nice to have something to aspire to.

[Kenan]

I think I'll take the infinite money. Sounds pretty good to me. Like they're interested.

[Doug]

But yes, I have a suspicion that even with all the. And I've seen this with car collectors that I know who have crazy money, they get the F40, the F50, the Enzo, all the cars and then eventually they're like, like, well, well, the Sultan.

[Kenan]

Of Brunei is the best example. He got so bored, he just had stuff.

[Doug]

Almost all the guys I know who are in that circumstance moved on to something like the Sultan not paying the Rolls Royce to develop their own cars, but like one offs or weird customs or whatever that like other guys couldn't. Rich guys couldn't have.

[Kenan]

Right.

[Nick]

You know, if the Sultan Brunei was. Prince Jeffrey was doing this thing today, do you think he'd be getting in fights with CVK over Instagram? How sick would that be?

[Doug]

Yes, absolutely.

[Nick]

Wouldn't that be like. That would be.

[Doug]

I didn't think about. The Sultan would be. It'd be like. Be like the uae, honestly. Be like the Middle East. Like, it'd be like rich people there.

[Nick]

It'd be great.

[Doug]

It'd be. Oh my God.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And it'd be hard to keep those cars off. Insta. He wouldn't keep those cars off.

[Nick]

No, I, I think he would have.

[Doug]

He would want to be. Yeah, he did everything but too early. Nick, what's on your list?

[Nick]

I mean, do you want the serious cars or the obtainable hit?

[Doug]

Hit me with 10 randoms. Let me have. You got it up? You got it up? Let me, let me, let me say it. Let me. Oh my God.

[Nick]

God.

[Doug]

Oh my God. Okay. C5, RS6 stick swap, CLS55.

[Nick]

What? What? Really?

[Doug]

Not the 63, which was more powerful than the same.

[Nick]

I went the M113 is a little more reliable.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Okay.

[Doug]

Okay. Funkmaster Flex Ford Expedition.

[Nick]

That'll be a car I'm immediately disappointed in. But yes, I want one.

[Doug]

It was just an Expedition with different paint. It was. That's it though.

[Nick]

FMF logo.

[Doug]

Otherwise it's like a 2012 Ford Expedition.

[Nick]

You may not appreciate the finer details of Funk Master Flex, but some of.

[Doug]

Though 02 to 06 Jaguar XKR. That's bad. The previous body, you know, I like.

[Nick]

The previous body, but O2 is a facelift and they. They took care of some issues.

[Doug]

I actually really like the 9697s, ML55 or 63 radically different cars. X 54.8. But he doesn't want the 4.6, the better looking one. Well, Pajero Evo. Why he wrote M coupe and then he wrote S52 or S54. In other words, he's got some check.

[Nick]

Well, I wanted to remind myself not to be too snobb that the 52 is probably fine.

[Doug]

He has on here P38 check. Another P38 check. And he has hopefully one more P38. 430 scoot conversion. 575 conversion. 599 conversion. Okay. R63. Any progress on the R63 front?

[Nick]

No. There's literally one for sale and it's pewter and I don't want pewter.

[Doug]

No, you don't. I had that.

[Nick]

Been there, done that. Yeah, yeah.

[Doug]

You didn't. You didn't ever see my pewter station wagon. You should have. Would have turned you off pewter even more. Yeah. Ford Ranger splash flare side go to the site.

[Nick]

Ideally on yellow. Yeah. But the red look pretty good.

[Doug]

Type in Ranger splash.

[Nick]

This is another one of those nostalgic here.

[Doug]

That's it.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Nick]

That white one's pretty good. Although again, yellow or red, ideally. Oh, that was in La Hoya.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah.

[Doug]

This is a two wheel drive. You could have been there, dude.

[Nick]

I know.

[Doug]

This is a terrible driving experience.

[Nick]

I'm sure.

[Doug]

I mean, go to the interior. You remember this interior?

[Nick]

Yeah. It's a Ford Explorer 91 and 94.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Anytime I see it's funny because so many cars, the outside you look okay and then you look at the interior and it's like, I know what that feels like. I know what that. I know what that smells like. I don't want anything to do with.

[Nick]

That car, I would love to get one. Like, it doesn't have to be a flare side or a splash because I don't want to like ruin an important car, but I would like to get a pickup one day that's like body dropped and can lay frame shaved door handle. Like just go full blown. Like mini truck nationals circa 2004.

[Doug]

God. All right, folks, this being the Christmas episode, I want to stop a little early today because we received some gifts, some holiday gifts from some viewers. Yes, Ken, would you like to show us what people have sent us? And by the way, if you're at home and you're thinking you want to send us something, don't. Instead send us an email to seanarsandbids.com that's s e a n seanarsandbids.Com all.

[Kenan]

Right, we have several gifts. So one of them is a Nissan. Nissan Armada Cologne.

[Doug]

You're kidding.

[Kenan]

Now I'm guessing that that smells like.

[Nick]

Uber, like someone's trying to cover up menthol smell.

[Kenan]

I was gonna say you've got bad financial decisions and. Yeah, and going way too fast on the highway, but yeah. Fascinating. I how greenlit this at Nissan. They're that desperate. Desperate to.

[Doug]

This must have been.

[Nick]

Is this new or old?

[Kenan]

Hard to tell. It's still shrink wrapped.

[Doug]

All right, Nick.

[Nick]

Huh?

[Doug]

No, we're not, I'm not taking out of the box. You kidding? This is, this is high quality. This is high quality stuff.

[Nick]

I'll try it if it's phthalate free.

[Doug]

Nick, given that this is the Nissan Armada, what are the three languages on the bottom that it's been that the warning has been translated into all Eastern European.

[Nick]

Beyond that I don't know. Polish? No.

[Doug]

Come on.

[Nick]

Czech.

[Doug]

Where is the Armada the most popular?

[Nick]

Well, I assume Japan because it's a Japanese vehicle.

[Doug]

The first language on here is Arabic.

[Nick]

Arabic, okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sand dunes.

[Doug]

And then it's French and English. This is the greatest gift we've ever been given. Nissan Armata clone. This is the kind of thing they give you at press launches, folks. I don't go to automotive press launches anymore, but my biggest regret not going to the press launches is that I don't get gifts gifts anymore. They used to give me the worst gifts you could imagine and I, I've saved them all. And I have some wild gifts like my Nissan Z sushi knife. Remember that?

[Kenan]

Oh, that's a good one. That's a really good one. But although you don't get those gifts anymore, we do have more gifts that people have sent us.

[Doug]

What's this one?

[Kenan]

This one? I don't know. Maybe these are spiders. I have no idea what these are, but they sent us a little card as well in a baggie that I will let you read.

[Doug]

This is good.

[Nick]

It's like anthrax.

[Doug]

Anthrax in here. Dear Doug Kenan and Filippo and Crazy Nick. I hope you enjoy opening the finest collection of 20 year old authentic imported cars direct from Albania. Oh, my God.

[Nick]

Not anthrax.

[Kenan]

And it comes with a sport cross blade.

[Doug]

No way.

[Kenan]

Let me have one.

[Doug]

This one has Italian plates on it.

[Kenan]

That one. Those are for.

[Nick]

And then here's a non cross plate.

[Doug]

You're kidding. Some guy. Okay, wait. This came from Jason in Albania. And they're cars in eggs and they're. This one is disassembled. Oh, my God. That one's broken apart. This is the greatest gift I've ever seen.

[Kenan]

The cross blade is the coolest.

[Doug]

Jason is actually a doctor in Farmington, Utah. Oh. Oh. This is a Smart Four. Four lipo's gonna go nuts.

[Nick]

That weird Karshawn one, the Renault Sports Spider.

[Doug]

Let me see.

[Kenan]

Is that a Sportster? That's a Smart Roadster.

[Nick]

Okay. Close enough.

[Doug]

They're easily assembleable, too. This is amazing. This is the greatest gift that anyone's ever given me. Even better than the cologne. Nick, are you seeing this?

[Kenan]

You see, you don't get press launches, but you're not getting this stuff at press launches.

[Doug]

This is one of those. What was this thing called?

[Nick]

If Ken and I stick for you, stick with YouTube for another 10, 12 years, we might be getting stuff like that.

[Doug]

They're sending this to all of us. He says, dear Doug, Kenan, Filippo and Crazy Nick. And he spelled all of our names. No one.

[Kenan]

No one does that. Thank you very much. That's very kind of you. That's a detail that's often missed.

[Doug]

This is. I know. Filippo's name has never been.

[Kenan]

Oh, I've seen. Yeah, I mean, don't open.

[Doug]

My God, Nick. This was gonna go in my press collection.

[Nick]

Can we. Can we just show how, like, this is pretty nice.

[Kenan]

All right, Nick.

[Nick]

All right.

[Kenan]

Since you've opened it, let's spray a little bit. Don't. Not on me. On your wrist.

[Nick]

On your wrist.

[Kenan]

On your wrist.

[Nick]

What are you doing?

[Kenan]

Oh, he's just embraced.

[Nick]

That's how you are supposed to do it.

[Doug]

Well, if you like how it smells.

[Kenan]

If you like how it smells. I mean, if you smell like an armada.

[Doug]

These are the greatest things I have ever been given. Dude, I'm taking this Smart Cross blade home. This is so cool.

[Kenan]

Oh, that's right.

[Doug]

You can't smell.

[Nick]

I can't smell yet.

[Kenan]

I forgot.

[Doug]

Do you see the Smart Cross Blade? Human people.

[Kenan]

No, not great.

[Doug]

It's too small. And you know what? That's what makes it so great. These. You agree these are the greatest gifts we've ever been given.

[Nick]

Well, I don't know. We got more time.

[Kenan]

It doesn't end there.

[Doug]

Wait, hang on, hang on. There's an explanation for these also.

[Nick]

I gave you part of Whistling Diesel's.

[Doug]

G Wagon magic Kinder. Their kinder eggs with smart car cars in them.

[Kenan]

That's because this one is for you specifically. This is a bath mat.

[Doug]

A bath mat.

[Kenan]

It's shaped like what appears to be a low body. Countach.

[Doug]

It's my Countach. Have you seen it?

[Kenan]

It looks low body to me.

[Doug]

Oh no. Take. Pick it up. It's mine. Pick it up on that side.

[Nick]

This would be good when you get out of your car wearing only socks.

[Doug]

This is a five liter. That's so true.

[Nick]

Put it out and then you can clean your socks off before.

[Doug]

That's such a great point. This is really good.

[Kenan]

Show them.

[Nick]

That is legit.

[Doug]

This is not a low body. What are you. This little bit. This is exactly my car. I don't know. Looks a little white, black, white wheels.

[Kenan]

It's very cool.

[Doug]

Very.

[Kenan]

It's very soft too. Very fluffy. Yeah.

[Doug]

We going to use it in our bath bathroom here in the office.

[Kenan]

You know what? We might actually. But there's one more and this one is probably the most impressive.

[Doug]

This is the most impressive.

[Kenan]

I have to be very careful.

[Doug]

I want a cross blade again. I'll put it back on the list.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

This is an F40LM.

[Doug]

This is an F40L.

[Kenan]

This is made by a viewer in New York and he put the se completely out of cardboard and he did it completely himself. There's nothing like that was bought and put on here. He made everything himself from like the calipers to the wheels to the engine compartment.

[Doug]

Because we cannot have an F40, we.

[Kenan]

Have this instead we have this F40LM, which is so cool. I have a very specific honorary place. I'd like to put it in our office. But this is really neat.

[Doug]

Is that going to go behind the pod studio?

[Kenan]

Well, it's room's getting tight back there. I might be able to squeeze.

[Doug]

We have some of the most bizarre and interesting car stuff that has ever been existed. Where did we get that piston that was from? Hold on.

[Kenan]

This One is from. The carpet's very difficult here. This is from one of our employees named Colton. It's from an engine that he blew up. And so that is a twisted connecting rod. That's a lot of force.

[Doug]

That is a lot of force.

[Kenan]

I mean, and there's where the valve met the piston. I mean, that's a tough loss. I mean, even when you money shifted, you didn't do this.

[Nick]

Nope. I just fried some piston rings. Not this bad. Like, this is because I didn't. Money shift was some detonating due to a faulty tune. Right. Had I money shifted, it would have been a lot harder to rebuild.

[Doug]

These are all great gifts. We love all the weird car stuff we have here. Obviously, the greatest gift we've ever been given is each other on this holiday season. And also this cross plate. Now, this F40 is very cool. You have a place for it. It will live in our office.

[Kenan]

It will live in our office with tremendous honor. It is really cool.

[Doug]

Again, if you want to send us gifts, the the address to send them is Sean carsandbids.com S E A N carsandbids.com that's where you send them to. This was our podcast with questions. Nick, do you have any parting thoughts?

[Nick]

No, I was just wondering what automotive gifts I've given or received that were good. It's very hard to buy and gift for car.

[Doug]

You gave us my very favorite gift on this podcast. You remember what it was?

[Nick]

The G Wagon.

[Doug]

Whistling Diesel. Yep. Whistling Diesel. Known tax evader. Just kidding. Free whistling. There it is. He destroyed a G Wagon, which I'm sure was titled in Montana. And we have a portion of it right here.

[Kenan]

Right.

[Doug]

And it's obviously, I'm a huge Wilson fan, as I've mentioned many times in the pod, which, by the way, whenever I say it, the amount of people in the comments were like, I lost all respect for Doug.

[Kenan]

Yikes.

[Doug]

Anyway, this was a gift that you gave us, and it's amazing.

[Nick]

Yeah, we've kind of had a little bit of a truce inside of the group on giving each other gifts because everyone one, buys everything they want. But two, I think just a very difficult crowd. The gift card we got for you the one year so that you could get around your budget cap on maintenance was a good one this year.

[Kenan]

It works.

[Nick]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Doug]

You know how Elsie got around that? He got us second card and just spend tons of money on that instead.

[Nick]

Maybe. Maybe he's like, pad the invoice on this one by a grand and then you can just.

[Doug]

And then Put it into my other one.

[Kenan]

I've done a great job. Sick.

[Nick]

Just write a lineman. Don't write which cards we'll review in.

[Kenan]

The new year whether I cross the line or not. I think I didn't. Was it you that got Sam? It was like, cameos of, like, Parker Ne for his birthday. Do you remember this?

[Doug]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick]

I got. I got Parker, but then I was worried Parker wouldn't get back, so I also got a second Ed Bully. That's right. Yeah.

[Doug]

Is that still a thing?

[Nick]

It's still around, but I think it's.

[Kenan]

Not like it was during COVID Yeah, it was great. That was a great gift. By.

[Doug]

Merry Christmas. Happy Holidays. Happy Hanukkah, Happy New Year's. You know the Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays thing I never got. Because there are two holidays. It's even the people who are all Christmassy. It's Christmas and New Year's. That's the holiday.

[Nick]

No. And Hanukkah.

[Doug]

Well, no, I know, but people are like. I'm not going to say anything other than Merry Christmas and Festivus.

[Kenan]

But.

[Doug]

But even the Merry Christmas people. New Year's is a holiday that is also a day off at this time. I've never understood that. Also, your Happy Holidays, Happy Holidays includes Merry Christmas. You. Don't you understand what I'm saying?

[Kenan]

This is a Larry David level of specialization.

[Doug]

You get my point? So it's like I'm not gonna say anything but Merry Christmas. Well, you're not wishing me a Happy New Year. You're sitting here. You're not wishing me Happy New Year.

[Kenan]

Bad New Year.

[Doug]

That's. That is some.

[Kenan]

I'm offended.

[Doug]

I'm offended. Goodbye, everyone.

[Kenan]

Goodbye.