Electric Cars Are Cancelled? Porsche Sports Cars Prove it!

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Podcast Summary: THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends

Episode: Electric Cars Are Cancelled? Porsche Sports Cars Prove it!
Release Date: January 17, 2025
Hosts: Doug DeMuro, Kenan, Filippo

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1. Major Automotive News

Tesla Model Y Refresh: The episode kicks off with Filippo discussing the latest update to the Tesla Model Y. Tesla announced a refresh for the Model Y, which Filippo praises as a move other automakers should emulate. Filippo remarks, “Tesla has done something that I wish every other automaker should. Take a page out of Tesla's book” [00:07].

Chrysler Cancels EV Project: Following the Tesla update, Filippo shifts focus to Chrysler's recent decision to halt their electric vehicle (EV) project, named the Airflow. Filippo explains, “Chrysler has clandestinely, apparently halted... which suggests to me that they will probably not manufacture the car” [04:27]. Kenan adds skepticism about Chrysler’s strategy, stating, “I think it's rare that Chrysler makes a good decision” [10:19].

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2. EV Market Trends and Impact

Tesla's Sales and Refresh Impact: Kenan and Filippo debate the effectiveness of Tesla's Model Y refresh in boosting sales. Filippo questions, “Does a refresh have a significant effect on sales at this point?” hinting skepticism about its impact [02:46]. Kenan counters by highlighting the Model 3’s improvements post-refresh, suggesting similar benefits for the Model Y [02:36].

Chrysler's Strategic Withdrawal: The hosts delve into Chrysler's retreat from the EV market, attributing it to past failures like the Charger EV and perceived political and market headwinds against EVs. Filippo notes, “Chrysler was told... they switch to an electric thing. Everybody hated it” [07:08].

Comparative Analysis with Porsche: The conversation shifts to Porsche, highlighting its robust sales despite the struggling EV market. Filippo states, “Customers prefer Porsche’s sports cars, indicating a stronger market presence for traditional vehicles” [23:55]. This contrast underscores the ongoing debate between electric and gasoline-powered vehicles.

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3. Porsche Sports Cars Thrive

Porsche 911 and 718 Models: Porsche's sports cars, particularly the 911 and the 718 models, have seen significant sales increases. Douglas shares impressive figures, “The 911 sold 14,128 units in the US, up 4,436 from 2023” [23:30]. Similarly, the 718 Boxer and Cayman models experienced a 25.9% sales increase [23:48].

Market Preference for Performance Vehicles: The hosts agree that Porsche’s success demonstrates a sustained demand for high-performance, gasoline-powered sports cars. Filippo concludes, “Long live the gas-powered sports car. Manual transmission, rear-wheel drive sports car” [25:30], emphasizing the niche yet dedicated market for such vehicles.

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4. Toyota Engine Recalls and Misinformation

Clarifying the Recall: Filippo addresses misinformation surrounding Toyota's recent engine recalls. He clarifies, “The hybrids were not part of the recall” [27:38], countering widespread rumors that all Toyota turbocharged engines, including hybrids, were affected.

Impact on Toyota's Reputation: Kenan and Filippo discuss the challenges Toyota faces with engine and transmission issues, particularly in models like the Tacoma and Sequoia. Filippo laments, “The Xterra should still... but instead they're bringing a Murano here” [46:29], criticizing Toyota's decisions in vehicle offerings.

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5. Talk Cars Segment: Kenan’s New Volkswagen GTI

Kenan's Purchase: In a light-hearted segment, Kenan shares his experience purchasing a Volkswagen GTI. Filippo congratulates him, saying, “You finally stepped up. I wish you would just suck” [35:16], highlighting Kenan's long-standing desire to own a fun sports car.

Features and Appeal: Kenan details the GTI’s features, including a six-speed manual, adaptive cruise control, and heated seats. He humorously mentions, “The base trim GTI is really well spec. Has a good seats, has a six-speed manual” [33:03]. Filippo and Douglas tease him about leaving his practical choices behind, celebrating his new acquisition as a significant milestone.

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6. Listener Questions and Discussions

Choosing Cars Based on Opinions: Emily, Kenan’s girlfriend, poses a question about whether people select cars based on others' opinions rather than personal enjoyment. Filippo responds, emphasizing the societal pressures that influence car purchases, especially for enthusiastic models like the Ford Charger or Mustang GT350. Kenan adds, “There's definitely external pressure there” [59:29].

Sound Systems in Cars: Tom Tinker asks Doug about upgrading car sound systems. Filippo humorously dismisses the importance, saying, “I don't care how their audio sounds” [61:57]. The hosts agree that while good sound systems are desirable, they are often overlooked in favor of performance and practicality.

Apocalyptic Car Choices: Listener Snob inquires about preferred vehicles for apocalyptic scenarios. Filippo champions the fifth-generation Toyota 4Runner, while Kenan and Douglas discuss alternatives like the Raptor Cayenne and the 70 series Land Cruiser. The discussion underscores the importance of reliability and simplicity in extreme situations.

Motor Trend Car of the Year: Filippo critiques Motor Trend's Car of the Year selections, labeling many winners as undeserved. He lists examples such as the Chrysler PT Cruiser and the Ford Thunderbird, arguing that these choices often reflect poor judgment. Filippo defends the 2023 Genesis G90 as a noteworthy selection [65:38].

Impact of Reviews on Car Prices: Snob asks if Filippo's reviews have ever influenced car prices. Filippo acknowledges a few exceptions, like the Vector W8 and G Wagon Cabrio, but generally states that his reviews don’t significantly impact market prices. Kenan and Douglas humorously debate the influence of their discussions on car valuations.

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7. Market Report Highlights

Chevrolet SS Sales: The hosts discuss recent sales of the Chevrolet SS, noting the high demand for manual transmissions. Filippo highlights, “What other car can you lease a month?” suggesting that manual SS models hold their value due to enthusiast demand [48:20].

Porsche Boxster and GT4 RS: Douglas shares successful sales figures for the Porsche Boxster Spider RS and GT4 RS models, emphasizing their desirability despite not being limited editions. Filippo remarks on the practicality of owning such vehicles without the prohibitive costs, stating, “These cars are available in the low 20s” [53:00].

Mercedes SL55 and Other Models: The discussion covers the Mercedes SL55, praised for its power and reliability. Filippo and Douglas debate the merits of older Mercedes models, recognizing their appeal among enthusiasts despite some reliability concerns [54:34].

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8. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

The episode concludes with the hosts reflecting on the enduring passion for traditional sports cars amidst a challenging EV market. Filippo expresses pride in Kenan’s purchase and underscores the importance of personal enjoyment over societal expectations. The hosts encourage listeners to engage with their community and continue supporting the podcast.

Final Quote: Filippo wraps up with enthusiasm, “We're still pushing the app. Damn. Goodbye, everyone. Lovely podcast. One of our best ever” [71:02].

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Notable Quotes:

• Filippo on Tesla’s Refresh: “Tesla has done something that I wish every other automaker should. Take a page out of Tesla's book” [00:07].
• Kenan on Chrysler's Decision: “I think it's rare that Chrysler makes a good decision” [10:19].
• Filippo on Porsche’s Success: “Long live the gas-powered sports car. Manual transmission, rear-wheel drive sports car” [25:30].
• Filippo on Toyota’s Engine Recalls: “The hybrids were not part of the recall” [27:38].
• Kenan on Listener Questions: “There's definitely external pressure there” [59:29].
• Filippo on Car Reviews Impact: “If you want to own a certified stable, deadly car, you pay about you stay money” [70:35].

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Conclusion: This episode of THIS CAR POD! delves deep into the current automotive landscape, contrasting the struggles of the EV market with the resilient demand for traditional sports cars. Through insightful discussions, humorous banter, and engaging listener interactions, Doug DeMuro and his friends provide a comprehensive overview of the industry's evolving dynamics.

Transcript

[Kenan]

Foreign.

[Filippo]

Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[Douglas]

I'm Kenneth.

[Filippo]

I'm Filippo and I have an injury. I fell. It's no big deal. Let's start with the news. Well, people are going to mention. All right, first news story, big news story this week. The biggest news story of the whole week. The Tesla Model Y has been what's like the best selling car on the planet, has been refreshed and Tesla has done something that I wish every other automaker should. Would do. Should do. Take a page out of Tesla's book. They announced the refresh Model Y. Do you know what? It goes into production now, I assume today. Well, today, today, to be fair, they announced it Monday.

[Douglas]

News to. We're doing it.

[Filippo]

Toyota GR Corolla. It was announced and then 25 years later the GR Corolla was at dealers and by then people had already put deposits on whatever the next thing that was announced was. Yeah, this is what they've showed. And then they showed it on Thursday and on Monday it was at the factory.

[Kenan]

Just like the Tesla Roadster.

[Filippo]

That is a great idea.

[Kenan]

The upside of course, that the fact that they're only changing the hood in the front bumper and the rear tail lights maybe makes it easier to implement the production.

[Filippo]

They decided not to change the front tail lights this time around.

[Douglas]

I love when people say that. That's one of my great rear taillights.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

It's a fairly minor update. Although there are more updates, more significant updates than just that, including they finally put a front camera in this thing which has been lacking. And there's, there's. I don't know, looks like there. Yeah, there's other little stuff. I don't want to speculate too much on exactly what the stuff is because.

[Kenan]

Wait, no, I will happily speculate.

[Filippo]

You're familiar with the version hasn't been announced yet.

[Kenan]

You're familiar with the Model 3 Highland as people called it.

[Filippo]

This is the Juniper.

[Kenan]

I know. Okay, but you're familiar with the Model 3 Highland. There was a Model 3, they lightly facelifted it, added a light bar, added the light bar across the rear. They fit. They changed the interior. This will be identical with one change. You know what that change is this factual? You know what that changes what this has turn signals, stocks.

[Filippo]

Yeah. So that's a change. There's also a rear screen. I don't know exactly what's that is true in the Model 3 Highland but versus model.

[Kenan]

Yeah, this was the Model 3 plus a turn signal stock.

[Filippo]

The Model 3 Highland though doesn't have a front camera. Does it?

[Kenan]

Yeah, I think it does, but I don't remember.

[Filippo]

I don't remember. But regardless, it's facelifted, it's updated and it's a big deal. Even though people watch this and be like, why are you talking about Tesla so boring? Well, it's one of the most popular cars on I think it was planet.

[Kenan]

Single best selling car last year.

[Filippo]

Yeah, in some places. Oh, Canon's not interesting.

[Kenan]

No, I mean across, like globally.

[Filippo]

I don't know about globally maybe, but somebody will look it up. It's up there. It's one of the most popular cars. So we're going to start seeing soon they're going to start looking like this and every. They're going to be around.

[Kenan]

I will say the Model 3 when it was refreshed finally got way better. Like you reviewed it and the suspension was better than Sierra was better. If it's quieter, there were real improvements and I imagine the same is true here.

[Filippo]

Nonetheless, the question I think has started to become with Tesla, does a refresh have a significant effect on sales at this point? Yeah, Tesla sales were down last quarter. Right. And certainly EVs are slower right now to sell. Adoption has been a little slower. Obviously a refresh was important for three. And why? Because it's been a while. Three came out in 18. But where are we on this in terms of like, is this going to move the needle in terms of sales? I have a suspicion no. Are people really going to be like, I can't wait to trade it my old one from a new one to get a front camera and this light bar kind of.

[Kenan]

I mean like there are some that are leased and that those nobody I.

[Filippo]

Know with a Y is like a one of those like excited lease turning customers. It's like they bought it for necessity. They're not car enthusiasts, they don't care.

[Kenan]

But like it's a little more competitive. It remains competitive.

[Filippo]

I, yeah, in general is sort of on a bit of a downswing.

[Kenan]

Yeah. We can agree that it doesn't, we can agree that it doesn't look.

[Filippo]

I like it looks fine. I think the original one is ugly. I think that this one does it.

[Kenan]

Like the original one like tied the front end and like the middle on the back. It all kind of made sense. This is like the fact that the middle of the car is identical. I'm sure they'll claim it that it's not like it is, it just doesn't like.

[Filippo]

I generally find that all Teslas are the most boring looking cars. Like if you were going to create a rendering cybertruck just like every other car. Not the cybertruck. If you were going to create a rendering of car.

[Kenan]

Tesla Roadster just like the original one, just like every other car.

[Filippo]

The, the newest one though is.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Okay. All right, Model Y refresh. We'll see if it actually measurably does anything for sales.

[Kenan]

You think it will, it'll bump them. Yeah, I don't think that changes market.

[Filippo]

Big change, though. Not a big change.

[Kenan]

It was necessary.

[Filippo]

It was getting stale, competitive.

[Kenan]

And that's, that's what needed.

[Filippo]

Next news story is even better than this on the subject of evs. Chrysler had announced some EV or teased it, or apparently they showed it at the Airflow Damn auto show. It was called the Airflow, which was the name of a car they had in the 50s that also failed. And this has failed because Chrysler has clandestinely, apparently halted. They've sent a note to their suppliers saying that they want suppliers to stop working on this vehicle, which suggests to me that they will probably not manufacture the car.

[Kenan]

But if you as Chrysler, which currently sells one vehicle, the Pacifica, if you are telling your suppliers and presumably internally saying, if you're not gonna build a mid size electric SUV that everybody else wants, what are you building?

[Filippo]

I think that Chrysler got really burned with the whole Charger ev, like the switch from gas powered to electric. And I think that Chrysler was already on the fence about making that switch. I think they see political headwinds against evs. I think they see the market starting to turn away from evs. And I think Chrysler is trying to get ahead of this and say, we're not going to do this. We're not going to go down the same road. The Blazer and the, and the prologue are going down where the leases are subsidized to a 50% well though. Yeah, but of course they sell well. The lease is a cell phone payment with nothing down. I mean, I could make a car sell well, if I offered it to you for a dollar a year, I.

[Kenan]

Wouldn'T buy a car that you made for a dollar.

[Filippo]

Wisely.

[Kenan]

But like, I think there's two things that are concerning here. One is you're probably right. They're saying, okay, there's a pushback against this. This is a US Market only car. Frankly, they don't have a presence anywhere else in the world.

[Filippo]

Yeah, but they could.

[Kenan]

I mean, which, which matters though.

[Filippo]

Chevy Volt was sold as the Opel Ampera overseas.

[Kenan]

Chrysler doesn't have a brand overseas. Obviously FCA does, but. But not for mtv. But what I'm confused by is how are you not. How are you as a brand, not like so far behind still, that you can realistically say, nah, don't keep working on it.

[Filippo]

I would argue based on this, this looks production ready. And I would argue they probably weren't. I would argue this car was probably six months from production, and they were probably planning the press launch and configuring the trim levels and still were like, we're done. And I honestly point, just release.

[Kenan]

You're. You're not selling anything. You don't have a car. You don't have an SUV in your lineup.

[Filippo]

Is Chevy making money on the Blazer? Is Honda making money on the prologue? At the end of the day, the automakers are sitting here thinking, we want to make money just because they don't have a vehicle in the segment. Have a vehicle segment, lose money, have no vehicle. The segment. At least they're. They're. They're flat. Now, granted, there's probably been some development dollars spent here, but maybe they amortize that because Jeep is going to have some sort of electric thing.

[Kenan]

Maybe it's the same they do the Wagoneer or the. Whatever this called.

[Filippo]

Never seen one.

[Kenan]

The Wagon. I'm sorry, not the wagon. You. The Wagoneer. S. My. My apologies. I just. I get it. It's a sign certainly where the EV market is, but also at the same time, it could be Chrysler being Chrysler.

[Filippo]

It could be, but it's an. I know. I think. I think Chrysler was severely burned on the Charger thing. I think that basically Chrysler was told by government incentives, Charger EV for the government incentives. And everybody else. Chrysler was told, you got to get rid of this old car, the Charger Challenger. So they did. They switched to. To an electric thing. Everybody hated it. Everybody's criticizing it. It's because Chris is like, we're out. EVs are done. Trump's president now. We're done. We're out. Dodge Ram pickup truck, maybe.

[Kenan]

But you gotta either give up on the brand or build something.

[Filippo]

Well, they don't need to give up on the brand because they sell them all at the same dealer. It actually works out. You know what Kenan's least favorite part about the cancellation of this car is? The thing that makes him the saddest. You lose what appears to be a hexagon steering wheel.

[Kenan]

Oh, that is so sad.

[Filippo]

This thing has a hexagon steering wheel, and Kenner was excited to be turning it.

[Kenan]

And those mirrors look like M3 comp mirrors. No, you 92 M3. Don't you think.

[Douglas]

Though, the thing with the M mirrors since the E9XM3 was that they have two. They attach it to two, not two.

[Kenan]

Not just one. Not just one.

[Filippo]

All right, all right.

[Douglas]

I can see this is on the car. It's not. Or this is inside the car. I can kind of see why you think it, but it's the picture.

[Filippo]

I don't know. It's an interesting sec. It's an interesting story because GM went full bore with this. They released the Blazer ev, they released the Equinox ev. Neither are doing particularly well.

[Kenan]

They're doing really well. The Equinox EV is selling for.

[Filippo]

Looking at sales numbers, I'm looking at subsidies. I'm a profit guy. The sales numbers to me are meaningless unless we're talking about how much the automaker is making money.

[Kenan]

We should look, we should soon have GMs Navr financials and we can look at what that looked like. But I don't think they're necessarily losing money on everyone.

[Filippo]

They're. They're subsidizing the leases to, on a brand new car that took an enormous amount of development to an unbelievable level.

[Kenan]

But development that they've shared across the Honda Prologue, the Blazer EV and Equinox. The Equinox EV is selling really well. Yeah, sorry, I should say it is leasing really well.

[Filippo]

All right, Equinox EV lease deal.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it's attractive.

[Filippo]

169.

[Kenan]

It's attractive. One with like zero down. It's attractive.

[Filippo]

Filippo. Of course it's. Of course it's. Of course it's selling well.

[Kenan]

It's bringing people into the, to the, the Chevy brand that otherwise we're certainly not going to be there.

[Filippo]

That is, which is any. This is a $50,000 car that's leasing at 1.

[Kenan]

Well, it turns out it's actually like a $23,000 car.

[Filippo]

And you're going to come over here. This is unbelievable. And you're going to come over here and tell me that this car is leasing well.

[Kenan]

Well, I suspect they have some residuals.

[Filippo]

Here's the Reddit who's claiming they took advantage of a $5,000 rebate and got the monthly lease payment to $65 a month on an Equinox EV2LT. They put the money down for a 44,000 sticker.

[Kenan]

Wow. Not bad.

[Filippo]

Here's a guy who said he did a $2,500 one pay. He's got a 24 month lease.

[Kenan]

Oh, what a dream.

[Filippo]

These cars are not selling.

[Kenan]

Given that just I'M willing to believe.

[Filippo]

That Chrysler's making a good decision.

[Kenan]

I.

[Douglas]

You spat on me.

[Kenan]

Well, we'll, we'll. We'll see where this gets.

[Filippo]

You don't think Chrysler's making a good decision?

[Kenan]

I think it's rare that Chrysler makes a good decision.

[Douglas]

That's. Well that is true.

[Filippo]

History has shown that the market is not here for these.

[Kenan]

I. I don't know that's true because there's. There are clearly buyers. Not maybe at the price they want, but there are clearly buyers. The model Y as we said which is at the same price point is one of the best selling cars in the world. So there is a market for these cars. Tesla is profitable.

[Douglas]

Yeah but how do they compete with that? You're going to buy a Chrysler.

[Kenan]

You buy.

[Douglas]

You build a car.

[Kenan]

Let's turns out you compete by building a better car. And Chrysler does like these people.

[Filippo]

No one's been able to do it.

[Douglas]

They have bad brand equity to fight against to do. It's a. No one's been able to.

[Filippo]

Tesla has the charging network.

[Kenan]

Tesla which is open to other people.

[Douglas]

The brand equity they have app.

[Filippo]

It's got a picture of a car. Whoa, my goodness.

[Douglas]

Imagine Christ got a picture of a car for this thing. It would crash your phone every time you opened it.

[Kenan]

Like well there are some concerns about that. I just given the amount of work they put into this and the fact they don't have any other products and.

[Filippo]

They claim dude, there's people out here saying they get a $3,000 one pay. They're paying $124 a month and for an Equinox EV seems like a great.

[Kenan]

Deal that GM is happy to have him in the door for.

[Filippo]

You think Chrysler is sitting here eager to finish putting this car together so they can release it for $84 a month on a one pay.

[Kenan]

Does it help? My point but incentives on new chargers are wild.

[Filippo]

What are they?

[Kenan]

I. I saw an article recently that had $12,000 just off the bat. The car came out yesterday like like not including tax credit just that dealer wanted to get rid of that their new chargers so badly or challenge those.

[Filippo]

Cars aren't tax incentive. What what's out? I don't even know what's out yet.

[Kenan]

The one of them nobody knows, nobody's.

[Filippo]

Looked, nobody's paid much attention to it. New Dodge Charger incentive. Someone is saying oh 23 chargers are way off. I'm curious. The point is I think Chrysler's making a good decision.

[Kenan]

Can we move to the next story where we're talking about more EVs. All right, here's a company where. Here's a situation where Volkswagen has said no, you actually there is a market we can enter and make money like Tesla has. And Rivian has had good sales without huge, huge incentives. They're struggling financially for other reasons. There is a market. They released a scout brand.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Kenan]

That isn't out yet but will be on a year.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Kenan]

There's two. There's the pickup truck and the SUV. SUV is making about 70% of reservations.

[Filippo]

Which makes total sense and still makes us wonder why Rivian released the truck first. Anyway, continue.

[Kenan]

But what's really interesting is they're offering it in what they call the harvester trim that has one of Volkswagen's engines behind the rear axle.

[Filippo]

One of Volkswagen's gasoline engines. I don't know about this. There is a range extending gasoline engine does not power the wheels supposedly it just acts as a generator for the EV drivetrain.

[Kenan]

And you can imagine it just running in the background charging up the battery like without any notable load. Should be really efficient.

[Filippo]

Could I never plug it in?

[Kenan]

Yeah, I think so.

[Filippo]

Probably right.

[Kenan]

Yeah. I don't know that you'd want to. I don't think it's the most efficient way to power it. Well but sure.

[Filippo]

It's a giant SUV with a 1.5 liter.

[Kenan]

We don't know the engine two cylinder.

[Filippo]

I don't know it's gonna be.

[Kenan]

It'll be one of Volkswagen's smallest engines. But what's interesting is that they have said publicly that over 50% of their pre orders are for the harvester trim.

[Filippo]

Which further proves the point I was just making, doesn't it? People still want to put gasoline in their cars.

[Kenan]

They want go further. But it makes a lot of sense for the Scott brand. Like this is why it makes sense for them to have done this. You want people to go off roading, have an EV that's great for their daily life.

[Filippo]

And then it is interesting. It makes you wonder does this, does this kind of come in and. And eat Rivan's lunch? They offer a gassy version. It's not fully gassy, but it's gasable. It's gasable flow gassy like that's interesting.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it is. Legitimately. It changes the use case.

[Filippo]

People are ordering it. That says a lot.

[Kenan]

Yeah, well, pre ordering it, putting a 200 bucks down or whatever.

[Filippo]

Pre orders for a car like this often turn into orders for the Chrysler airflow of which there were two pre orders, both of which were Chrysler employees, nieces and Nephews, that's not a thing. But this, these are actually interested people who are going to get one.

[Kenan]

It's interesting to see that there is demand for that. I wonder if other brands will. Nobody in the US market has a range extender, i3 excluded, BW i3 excluded, and the Volt.

[Filippo]

There's no way that car is still on sale.

[Douglas]

Nope, it hasn't been for a really long time.

[Kenan]

I'm trying to bring Kenan back in here slowly.

[Filippo]

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[Douglas]

No, I agree. This is cool and it makes sense. Like if you're going to, if you. The whole point of this brand, you know, to bring back the international names that are these cars which were, you know, rugged is that you're going to take it off road and realistically you just can't do it with an ev. Where are you going to charge? And look at this. You think there's a charging station around here?

[Kenan]

Rivian actually built one at the top of that hill.

[Filippo]

Probably no Tesla did. Rivian's got. Rivian is using it for a significant amount per month.

[Douglas]

So like you need, like if you're in the Real. Not that this is the real world, but if you're going to use it the way they intend it to, you need to be able to char. Have the car charge itself with the generator.

[Filippo]

Are we seeing the beginning of a switch away from electric cars?

[Douglas]

After all this ev, it turns out Fisker was right. The Fisker Karma was the right idea. Have a generator.

[Filippo]

You know, I remember when those cars all came out, the Karma, the Volt, etc and Leaf. When they all came out in 2010, 11, 12, there was a lot of talk about what really is the future. Is it full electric like the Leaf, or is it this plug in hybrid like the Volt? Chevy. Chevy gambled on the plug in hybrid thing with the voltage. Obviously Nissan went with the full electric. The market sort of more went full electric. But there's always been a lot of talk about plug in hybrids are the best of all worlds. Yeah, maybe plug. Maybe plug in hybrids are the best of all worlds.

[Kenan]

Toyota's gotten big on it. The RAV4 prime, which is a plug in, the Prius Prime.

[Filippo]

Toyota never really went to fully ever did the plug in hybrids, the new BMW M5. By combining both a gasoline engine and an electric powertrain, they were able to make it weigh less than a midsize. A fishing vessel.

[Kenan]

Yacht.

[Filippo]

Yeah, just it's a small planetary body.

[Kenan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Filippo]

That is the drawback.

[Kenan]

It is interesting to see what, what.

[Douglas]

You can't have everything.

[Filippo]

It's a lot of stuff to package inside of a vehicle. But that's interesting to me.

[Douglas]

It is, it is.

[Filippo]

And it's something that Rivian doesn't have. And it's probably something that's appealing to and never will. And it's probably something that's appealing to a lot of people, particularly the type of truck people who like, think this is cool but aren't ready to commit to full ev.

[Kenan]

Maybe the new story here is that not the, like almost 50% of people want the full EV. Maybe that's more newsworthy.

[Filippo]

Yeah, but Rivian's already told us that there's a huge number of people in this segment who want a full ev. So now we're finding out there's actually a huge number of people who would prefer to have a plug in hybrid help their EV be powered along. It's very interesting to me indeed.

[Kenan]

Good news, Kenan.

[Filippo]

Another EV story.

[Douglas]

Oh my God, Kevin.

[Filippo]

This is actually worse than a regular EV story.

[Douglas]

Buckle up, I'm going to take a nap.

[Filippo]

No, no, no, no. This is one you want to hear.

[Kenan]

You're familiar with The Acura rsx.

[Douglas]

It's pronounced Acura Acura.

[Kenan]

It's the small two door hatchback. They haven't had it in a while. But great. Six speed manual.

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Douglas]

For me.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Yeah, that has sweet car.

[Kenan]

Sweet embarrassing car.

[Filippo]

In Canada they did it with hubcaps.

[Kenan]

Wow. Well, here for your enjoyment is the new Acura rsx.

[Filippo]

Yeah, the RSX has returned and much like the Mitsubishi Eclipse, this is a.

[Kenan]

Mitsubishi Eclipse ification of the rsx, the.

[Filippo]

RSX is returning as an electric crossover.

[Douglas]

I like turning that into a verb.

[Kenan]

Yep. It's based on the Honda, theoretically based on the Honda Zero series that we talked about last week.

[Filippo]

I am surprised, I have to admit I'm surprised. When you said there's a new RSX which was announced this morning, when you said there was new rsx, I assumed it would be based on the new Prelude.

[Kenan]

Dude, that would make a lot of.

[Filippo]

Sense because that's going to be like a small Honda coupe. So I figured the rsx, which was always sort of Prelude, would be the Acura version. No, it's going to be an electric.

[Kenan]

Crossover and production will kick off later this year in Ohio and buy one.

[Filippo]

It's January 1st. Tesla gets a car to market tomorrow.

[Douglas]

Yeah, that is, that's like Apple when they released the iPhone. It's like preorder start Friday. Yeah, it's like boom. That's.

[Filippo]

It's a huge deal. Automakers claim they can't do it because of suppliers and this and that. But getting people excited about Scout, for example, and then telling us it's not going to be on sale till 27, it's BS like it doesn't help anybody do anything. You get all excited and then you forget about it and then something else shiny comes up and you forget about your pre order and you're not interested anymore and suddenly they get, they're cutting cybertruck ships at the plant.

[Douglas]

What's the benefit of that? Is it just hyper?

[Filippo]

I think that they feel that they cannot control the story because eventually it'll leak because so many people are aware of what it's going to look like. When you think about all the suppliers and all the internal people, et cetera, et cetera. And so they would rather control the story when they like announce on their terms with the pictures they want rather than somebody sees it in some back parking lot and that's the only picture circulating that so.

[Douglas]

But yeah, and then it just becomes boring.

[Filippo]

And it becomes boring. By the time, I promise you, by the time Scout comes out, we're going to be bored of it, I promise you. Well, whatever.

[Douglas]

I just think back to the nsx, the new one that you love so much. I mean that was teased for like five, six years. Something. Something crazy or Mercedes AMG Project 1, same thing. I mean, whatever.

[Filippo]

You know what I'm going back on my love of the new MSX should have had a manual.

[Kenan]

The good news, by the way, is that nobody, nobody's excited about this car to start with and nobody will care.

[Filippo]

That's true. It's not like people are eagerly awaiting this car. And the great irony of course is that the Acura zdx, which I presume is larger and it's prologue based. Right. Is already out and is not selling. And so here they're coming out with a second one. They say we're not selling the first one. I got an idea.

[Kenan]

Yep, I just saw.

[Filippo]

Let's do more.

[Douglas]

Maybe they should have listened to Chrysler.

[Kenan]

Hey yeah. The ZDX has sold 7400 units. In 2024.

[Filippo]

It sold 7 424, which really means.

[Kenan]

Q4 because it came out in the fall. That's not bad.

[Filippo]

7400 units. What are ZDX leases at?

[Kenan]

Oh, you. They are attractive. And the ZDX is a good looking 299 is the first that comes up good looking automobile.

[Filippo]

That's got to be a 65 car for 299.

[Kenan]

ZDX is a good looking.

[Filippo]

You could buy for 0% for some.

[Kenan]

To be clear, we're not talking about the first generation zdx which is cool but not a good looking automobile.

[Filippo]

It was a good looking car. The first gen ZX previewed all future ev.

[Kenan]

It did. I agree. But it was not a good looking car.

[Filippo]

The. The. The first gen ZDX and the Tesla model Y look the same. I bet we've sold one. Type in ZDX2R to R. Give me a 2R. No, just type in to to the cars and bids to the.

[Douglas]

Have we sold one to the cars.

[Kenan]

And bids 2R is apparently just go for like 2012. I don't know. Nobody knows when it was around. Yeah, that. Look at that beak.

[Filippo]

That is the Tesla model Y. God, I forgot how people complain so much about how this car looked. And then every EV that came out since then has taken this exact design. The Mach E is this car.

[Kenan]

The. The handles are the same spot.

[Filippo]

I'm telling you you can. Yeah, that's true. You cannot tell me this is not what the Mach E model Y.

[Kenan]

But execution matters.

[Douglas]

I just felt I Always felt like it was just a swept back TL that was like melting and just slowly getting bigger.

[Kenan]

Execution matters if not.

[Filippo]

And well, I think they executed it perfectly. They were just early and with a gas engine instead of an electric, which is what it should have been. You know this had a 3700 in it. That's what we in the Acura community called.

[Kenan]

Did it, did it ever have 3700? It wasn't just a 3.5, it was 3.5.

[Filippo]

Well, but that gen MDX used a 3.

[Kenan]

I know, but I don't remember if the ZDEX was updated.

[Filippo]

Well, come on, nobody bought them. The MDX came out in 07 in that era and the ZDX came out in 09.

[Kenan]

But the 3.7 was partway through that MDX generation. Doesn't matter, doesn't matter. Keep going.

[Filippo]

Let's move on.

[Kenan]

For kenm sake.

[Filippo]

Pull this up.

[Douglas]

Thank God we get to sports cars. All right, good news for sports cars. So Porsche recently released their sales figures for 2024 and some interesting things in there. I'm going to start with the non sports cars and just talk about that a little bit. Taycan sales volume went down.

[Filippo]

How?

[Kenan]

They didn't sell any price.3.

[Douglas]

So they went down. They decreased 37.3%. They sold 4,747 units last year versus.

[Filippo]

The theme of this news section is that EV sales are not doing so well. Speaking of, by the way, EV sales.

[Douglas]

Well, hold on, I'll get there. Hold your horses. So Panamera sales also down? Yeah, Macan sells also down. Cayenne sales up.

[Kenan]

Macan had been out in the same exact form for 10 years.

[Douglas]

I agree.

[Filippo]

There is a brand new one though.

[Douglas]

But then they didn't deliver it to the Ford.

[Filippo]

It was a brand new electric.

[Kenan]

They didn't deliver any.

[Filippo]

2024 sales are still down.

[Douglas]

But then we get to the sports cars. The 911 sold 14,128 units in the US. That's 4,436 over 2023. So sales are up with the 911, 2021.

[Filippo]

That's a big number.

[Douglas]

It's a big number. And the 718, Boxer and Cayman, despite the fact they're going to kill it in October, they said that they. So they were up 1,172 units over 2023. They sold 5,698 of them versus 4,425. 25.9%. Yeah.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Douglas]

So it's clear that Porsche, who makes Great sports cars. That's what people want.

[Filippo]

The 992.2 is responsible for some of.

[Kenan]

This because it wasn't really out.

[Filippo]

Just barely out, right?

[Douglas]

Just barely out. Barely out. But I mean GT3 sales are strong. People want.

[Filippo]

Here's the question. How the hell does this company come out with an electric Boxster in Cayman?

[Douglas]

I know they must be thinking it's no wonder they push it back. They're like are we sure you are.

[Kenan]

They're not ready to date. Apparently they're comfortable letting a macan sit for 10 years. But I don't think they do that for.

[Filippo]

It is interesting that Macan EV has come out parallel to Macan gas.

[Kenan]

I started to see more Macan EVs.

[Filippo]

Same and by the way I had a Macan EV. I'm going to have a review up in a couple of weeks but I drove. It was great. However, it's still a very expensive electric.

[Kenan]

Car and not enough range.

[Filippo]

I will say the Taycan and the Macan perfect candidates for EV conversion. I mean they're, they're cars you drive around. I, I hate to say it but the Macan is not the special car like the going to electric. It's not like anybody's gonna be like oh but the. But the sound of the old turbo four cylinders, you know it's a utility.

[Douglas]

These are experiential fun cars. Nobody needs a sports car. People want and desire a sports car and people with money want a Porsche and they want a driving experience which is further emphasized by the sales figures on their best sports cars.

[Kenan]

It's also interesting. We talked last week about how Mustang sales are down, the Camaro's gone, Supra sales are down. Maybe the bottom part of the market doesn't have disposable income. But clearly the wealthier buyers are still buying sports cars. It's not that two door coupes are dead, it's that cheaper ones are. Those people can't afford them anymore. But 911 buyers doing what?

[Douglas]

Long live the sports car.

[Filippo]

Long live the gas powered sports car. Manual transmission rear wheel drive sports car.

[Kenan]

Like the Nissan Z.

[Filippo]

What an unbelievable new segment. When we started this pod, which was about a year ago, I would never have guessed that in a year we'd be Talking about how EVs are getting canceled before even going into production and that gasoline powered cars are up.

[Kenan]

Drawing any takeaways from this?

[Filippo]

Yeah, I'm going to tell you something. Chevy should have canceled their before they went off.

[Kenan]

What other car can you lease a month?

[Filippo]

You're right. That dude on Reddit who got a one pay lease for 1500 bucks for two years and is paying an effective $81.

[Kenan]

Don't you want that? I want that.

[Filippo]

Yeah. But the point is the car is not sellable at its actual price. $81 a month, that's like, that's like a $13,000 car, but it's got a 50 sticker. Meanwhile, Porsche, these aren't selling for 40,000 off, I'll tell you that.

[Kenan]

Nope.

[Douglas]

I speak, I believe on half of all and car enthusiasts when I say let the EVS burn. Let them suffer.

[Filippo]

Oh, wow.

[Kenan]

All right.

[Filippo]

By the way, every 07 to 13 MDX had the 3700, as did the ZDX. Give me an apology.

[Kenan]

Move on to the next 07 MDX has a 3.7. Yeah, I really thought it came out as part of the facelift.

[Filippo]

No, you got to know your MDX's the original first gen MDX 0106, that was all the 3500 and then it was 0106 and then in 07 the 3700 came out concurrently with the Beaknos MDX.

[Kenan]

Can I give you a fun fact? That 3.7 not used in a Honda product.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Because only Acura, because it never went.

[Kenan]

Into the Pilot or the Odyssey.

[Filippo]

Yeah, that's True.

[Kenan]

Or the V6.

[Filippo]

Honda was afraid it would keep lunching transmissions if they went up any more power. They'd be like, yeah, I don't know.

[Kenan]

Well, but when you're Honda and Acura, you got to differentiate somehow. And 0.2 liters is how you do it.

[Filippo]

Okay, the next segment is the talk cars segment and I have a psa.

[Douglas]

Oh really? Yeah. Okay.

[Filippo]

Okay. The PSA is this.

[Douglas]

Let's hear it.

[Filippo]

Toyota. As a lot of people know, Toyota recalled some of the turbocharged engines in the tundras, the sequoias, etc. You know about this?

[Kenan]

For months ago.

[Filippo]

This is months ago. The hybrids were not affected. The hybrids were not affected. The Tundra and Sequoia engine recall to replace bad engines did not affect the hybrids. The hybrids were not part of the recall. Filippo.

[Kenan]

Wait, is this still a Sequoia trim that's not a non hybrid?

[Filippo]

Let me ask you this. In that in the three the V6 that was recalled, were any of the hybrids recalled? No. It is unbelievable the amount of misinformation. This has to be the top misinformation of any automotive industry thing right now. It is. You go online, all over Reddit, the Toyota forums, people like these hybrid engines suck. They're all getting recalled. None of them have been recalled. 0. There is a hybrid version and a non hybrid version. The non hybrid version was lunching itself. I love.

[Douglas]

I love that lunching has appeared twice in your vernacular recently.

[Filippo]

I love that the hybrid version is apparently totally fine.

[Kenan]

That's nice.

[Filippo]

I get asked this every single day about my Sequoia. Oh, is yours one of the recalled ones? No, because it's a hybrid and it was. And the hybrids aren't recalled. The hybrids weren't recalled. Yeah, they weren't. No, they weren't.

[Douglas]

I feel like this is just a conversation you've had with one of your neighbors that you just.

[Filippo]

Everybody. No. What? The problem is this. With this generation of Toyota truck, they've switched away from a V8 to a V6 Turbo V6. And so there's a desire among enthusiasts to heap any amount of hate they can on this motor, but specifically the hybrid version, because the only thing worse than a Turbo V6 is a hybrid turbo. That's for the. That's for the soy boy liberals. So anyway, so there's a lot of hate. Like it's getting a ton of hate. And there's so much. The hybrids were not recalled. Filippo, were any hybrids recalled?

[Kenan]

Not yet.

[Filippo]

Not yet is the right way to say it.

[Kenan]

Toyota's having some trouble with engines, though.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

And transmissions. Isn't that the issue? The new Tacomas.

[Filippo]

The Tacomas are having transmission problems, not the manuals. Like I drove.

[Kenan]

Yay.

[Filippo]

There you go. That's right.

[Kenan]

I'm glad that your Sequoia is not recalled because you would never bring it in for the recall and therefore it would eventually.

[Filippo]

So I'm happy for you. That subject to a recall right now for the. To rear tow hitch cover. Have I ever told this story?

[Kenan]

No.

[Filippo]

The rear tow hitch cover was recalled because it keeps falling off. Like if you look at it.

[Kenan]

Didn't that happen to you?

[Filippo]

So I'm driving through Texas and I get to a gas station and I look at the back of the tow hitch covers. And then like the next day I get an email being like, we have a recall for the tow hitch cover. Well, mine's.

[Kenan]

Are they going to replace it somewhere in North Texas?

[Filippo]

They don't have a fix yet.

[Kenan]

That's like the time when my Ford Focuses door latch stopped working. There was a recall for it. We got effects on the recall, but we had to drive there holding the door shut.

[Filippo]

Oh, it wouldn't. It wouldn't stay closed. Just like Stradman when I worked for Enterprise. The Dodge Avenger interior door handles stopped working. That was a recall, and that was a dangerous recall. And that was Chrysler in 2008. And I remember, like, we'd take all the cars to the dealer to get the recall done and you'd have to either roll down the window and, like, reach out.

[Kenan]

We've been really ghetto stuff.

[Filippo]

These were brand new cars.

[Kenan]

We've been. If we've been really mean to Chrysler, we should be clear. This is a Dodge product.

[Filippo]

That was a Dodge product. It didn't affect the similarly made Chrysler 200. Those were excellent cars.

[Kenan]

Different door handle Evos, basically. Not that you asserted the 3.6 liter Pentastar.

[Filippo]

The hybrids were not recalled. Filippo, give us the real Talk car segment of the week.

[Kenan]

I. I have won a car on Cars and Beds. I will be flying to Seattle when people are listening to the podcast to then drive it home.

[Filippo]

So we gave filippo crap for six months because the first 10 episodes of this pod, he was like, what if I get this car? What if I get that car? And after 10, 15 episodes, it became clear he was not going to be getting a car.

[Douglas]

That's correct. We're in 40 something now.

[Filippo]

We told him never to talk to us again until he gets a car. And then this is how this happened. One day he just sent. We have like a group text ready, then sends a picture saying, bought a car. It shows the picture that he wanted on the site. He was on a conference call. Like a meeting.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I have those.

[Douglas]

I was.

[Filippo]

I was bidding on the meeting.

[Douglas]

We sit in cars.

[Kenan]

We got an app.

[Douglas]

We sit in cars at cars and bids to take meetings. And Sean, our producer says, just looked at me, he goes this shocked.

[Filippo]

Look at this.

[Douglas]

He goes, flee bought a car. And I look at Filippo through the whiskey and he says, is it a meeting?

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Douglas]

He was in a meeting. Yeah. No expression, no emotion, no nothing. You were just like, you bought a car.

[Kenan]

I would like to not say what a car it is and let people find it on their own.

[Douglas]

Akira, you type Filippo in the Carson, but you'll find it.

[Kenan]

We'll talk about it more next week when I have the car in my possession.

[Filippo]

Okay. The car Filippo bought. No, we gotta talk about. Because people can see on the side, I bought them. Right.

[Kenan]

I want to buy a mark.

[Douglas]

Oh, go to use the app. Gotta go to the.

[Filippo]

Filippo bought a gti, Volkswagen Golf.

[Kenan]

Oh, thank you, Kenan.

[Filippo]

Golf, gti.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Here's what happened. Every week, Kenan and I do a live now, which is on the cars and bids YouTube channel where we talk about cars that are live that we're interested in for that live. Now I was looking through our site and I saw this and I thought oh, a no reserve mark 8. I wonder where the market is for these. And then I started looking more closely at this one and it turns out that the base trim GTI fits my desires very well.

[Filippo]

All right, pull up interior and tell.

[Kenan]

Us about the climate consulting. Love the Clark plaid. My wife a little bit less into it but you know she's very generous and kind.

[Filippo]

She said it looked like a Catholic school girl uniform.

[Kenan]

Yes she did.

[Filippo]

That's the benefit.

[Kenan]

Real quote. But it. The base trim GTI is really well spec. Cuz I care about sport. Sportiness and having fun. Has a good seats, has a six speed manual. Also has adaptive cruise control and blind spot and heated seats and a heated steering wheel.

[Filippo]

But the best part is, best part.

[Kenan]

Is it has a volume knob.

[Filippo]

So big complaint about the latest GTI is that there's the slider for the volume and for the climate control which by the way works fantastically and everybody who's complaining about it is not particularly bright. Yeah, I have a finger. But if you don't want it, all you have to do is get the base model and then you actually still get the climate model. We've discovered this.

[Kenan]

You know the worst part though? I hate Volkswagen volume knives because the volume symbol turns and I forgot about that till right till this very moment.

[Filippo]

The volume circle turns.

[Douglas]

Infuriating. Volume design. Unbelievable. That's still an issue.

[Kenan]

But I'm incredibly excited. We're going to drive home from Seattle over this weekend. The seller has been fantastic. The. I'm sure she will not mind me saying this. She had a Mark 4 GTI upgraded to this, decided this is too techy for her and went out and bought a mark 4R32 in blue.

[Filippo]

Wow. Which is a really special.

[Kenan]

Which is a really special car. So she has a cooler garage than I do. I'm excited.

[Filippo]

You. Yeah, you were, you were talking about a 997. You were talking about a C6. You're talking about importing a multipla and then you ended up switching your hot hatch for like a more grown up version of your hot hatch. Yeah, I just, I want. We were hoping that you would come into the. You've been talking about a Corvette for years. You're in an age where you can have a Corvette before you have children. This was an.

[Kenan]

I want to make something really clear. This has exactly as much Torque as a 997 base.

[Douglas]

Filippo, we want you to live.

[Kenan]

And I am living high.

[Filippo]

I will say this.

[Kenan]

This is nine years newer than my current US car.

[Filippo]

I will say I have significant regrets legitimately about not having more sports cars. Before I had kids I. When I was younger I thought AMG wagons and wagons were cool and I had a CTSV wagon on AMG wagon. And in retrospect I think it was stupid that I was driving around in four door practical cars.

[Kenan]

For you who will regret this. Yes. I will not regret this.

[Filippo]

You're not going to regret not having a C6. I'm proud. I'm happy that you bought this car. I'm happy about a car.

[Kenan]

Yes. Thank you.

[Filippo]

You finally stepped up. I'm happy you bought this car. I wish you would live. I wish you would just suck. I got your teeth into life. What's going to happen to the 500 a bar?

[Kenan]

Almost certainly we will be selling it. My wife and I are not yet in agreement what we're doing with it but I think we'll likely sell it. So you might see it on Cars and Bits soon.

[Filippo]

Cars and Bits and Kennel. Clean it.

[Kenan]

I'd like to correct it.

[Douglas]

I'd like to do the whole thing now.

[Kenan]

I did clean it on Saturday so I don't know what more would be necessary.

[Douglas]

Like, like I said, I will clean it Saturday.

[Filippo]

You clean it on Saturday with a. With a rusty nail and a barbed wire fence.

[Douglas]

Some hopes and dreams. Yeah.

[Kenan]

But I'm incredibly excited you guys will see a GTI on the Cars and Bits channel video soon. Like very soon.

[Douglas]

I'm excited for you to get it. I am proud of you for having bought a car.

[Kenan]

But you guys are both so disappoint. Disappointed. And I find that incredibly amazing because.

[Filippo]

I like the Mark 8. I had one as a press car. I think it's a great car. I just. I just. Instead of you always making the practical choice which you have made my the entire time I've known you. I've known you for 15 years and.

[Kenan]

You'Ve always practical choices.

[Filippo]

All I want is for you to make the fun choice once I want you to have fun. Yeah.

[Kenan]

I didn't buy a base Golf. Perfect. It's not for sale in the us.

[Douglas]

Go back and watch your cars in Bisville. You were having such a car.

[Kenan]

Maybe I'll sell the wagon and the Barth and Then buy a C7.

[Douglas]

No you won't.

[Filippo]

So now he's got. He's got.

[Douglas]

But imagine this is what he thinks is fun when he does have kids. Imagine how boring practical car he'll have then.

[Filippo]

Between. Filippo has no children or anything. Two to him and his wife. Two people he's got between them. He's got eight doors plus the hatchbacks.

[Kenan]

11 seats. 11, 12 seats.

[Filippo]

Sorry.

[Kenan]

12 seats.

[Douglas]

He was told that he needed a car to transport seven people. You and your wife and your daughter.

[Kenan]

In our car often I don't understand what the title.

[Filippo]

I know, but that's one car.

[Douglas]

That's a rental car. You have a couple weekends a year, you're.

[Filippo]

You're. Or one vehicle that you have. You have a second car. You had the chance to sink your teeth into something. You could have had a ZR1.

[Kenan]

I am who I am.

[Filippo]

I know. I know.

[Kenan]

And that's who I am. And I. I'm 100. A GTI guy more than I'm a bar guy.

[Filippo]

I've had that car for two years. I agree with that. You. That is true. You are more a GTI guy. In our comments, there are people who identify with you.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Who are like, I am Filippo. You guys shouldn't make so much fun of him for being the practical, cheap, smart choice guy. It's who he is. It's who I am. And it's like, you know what? Fine.

[Douglas]

That's great. Good for you. Life is for living. That's what I have.

[Kenan]

Four door sedan. Yes.

[Douglas]

I have a four. Yes. With individual throttle ways double the four stars. I will still walk away on the highway.

[Filippo]

How much power does this have?

[Kenan]

241 and 273 pound feet of torque.

[Douglas]

I will dust you.

[Filippo]

Are you sure?

[Douglas]

Yeah, I'm positive.

[Filippo]

Do you think M5 is faster than this?

[Douglas]

Absolutely. Plus he's driving it. He doesn't rev over 3,000.

[Kenan]

GTI might be equivalently fast, but M5 is faster.

[Douglas]

What's the 0 to 60 in the 4.7?

[Kenan]

Yeah. By a second or two. Second and a half.

[Douglas]

Second or two.

[Filippo]

It's not close. Yeah. Yeah.

[Douglas]

Not exactly. Hell yeah.

[Kenan]

My torque sound.

[Filippo]

I bet I could get it. Keep it.

[Douglas]

I'll bet you you could.

[Kenan]

Pretty confident in my torque.

[Douglas]

Bet you could.

[Filippo]

Okay, There you go. Felipe bought a car. Congratulations to.

[Douglas]

Bravo, Felipe. We can't wait to see it in person. Also, the pictures gotta get. Look.

[Kenan]

Literally the same torque figure as a 997 cat. 997.

[Douglas]

That's not some. A base 997.

[Kenan]

Okay.

[Filippo]

That's what I was gonna say. Pull up the. We're gonna talk more about GTI next Week. When you get it and bring it down here, we're gonna have it in the background.

[Kenan]

We're gonna do a little over the countaches.

[Filippo]

I'm going to lick it on camera.

[Kenan]

Please don't.

[Douglas]

Oh, he's done that to my M5. It's very irritating.

[Filippo]

Can you pull up the last slide here for us?

[Douglas]

Oh, yes.

[Filippo]

I'm at the market the other day and let me tell you what happened. Okay. This is a, this is an honest to God story. I met the market the other day and the Hot Wheels are there and they're three bucks each. Okay. And I wanted what? I don't know, two. I. I don't know. It was some amount of money.

[Kenan]

I only buy them if they're.

[Filippo]

They're one for one, the three bucks each. And so I, and I wanted four, but then it said they're ten for ten dollars. And I'm like, they're basically four. I can't buy four because that's twelve.

[Kenan]

This is such a Doug story because when they're ten for ten dollars at our local grocery store, you buy one, it's a dollar.

[Filippo]

Melissa told me that I could have gotten away with that. But anyway, so I'm like, I'm like, all right, well, if I bought four, it's me 12 bucks. I got to buy 10 now because then it'll go down to 10 bucks.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

So I was tricked by the. By big Hot Wheels.

[Kenan]

You were.

[Douglas]

By Mattel.

[Filippo]

Mattel tricked me into buying Hot. Anyway, one of the Hot Wheels and one of the reasons I even wanted the four in the first place, and I gave a couple to Filippo. You did one of them. A Pontiac Aztec.

[Kenan]

I think I actually.

[Filippo]

Monster truck.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Which is rare. I mean, there's not a lot of those out.

[Douglas]

There.

[Filippo]

Was a Proton Saga. And this is odd to me. I don't know how much of you know about Proton or the Proton brand.

[Kenan]

I'm familiar with the Malaysian brand.

[Filippo]

Proton is a Malaysian brand who for decades maybe still their only vehicles that they produced were they would buy the tooling from Japanese cars after the Japanese car brand was done making the car. And then they would make the car in Malaysia as a brand new car. So, like the 08 Honda Accord was their most famous one. That car ended production in 13. Then, then Proton was like, all right, we'll buy the tooling. So they came out with the brand new 2014 Proton. Whatever. Well, it's already a seven year old car. But they didn't have to do any development. The Saga was an 80s version of this. And it was a Mitsubishi. I think it was the Mitsubishi Galant or the. Or the Precis sold in the US as I don't remember which. But this is a rebadged Malaysian market. Former Mitsubishi. Why did Hot Wheels create a version of this car? Let's face it, for 24. What? Why? How did you. Why?

[Douglas]

Because they've done every car. They're running out.

[Kenan]

I'm so into this.

[Filippo]

I haven't done the Acura zdx anyway. Obviously I bought it.

[Douglas]

Maybe that will be number 42 of 250 or 5.

[Filippo]

New for 24. Just like in. In Malaysia. It's also new for 24. Mitsubishi.

[Kenan]

It's based on a version of the Lancer. I'm not sure if it's ever sold here, but it's a Compact King, so the ZX wouldn't fit in.

[Filippo]

Well, the Lancer, that Gen Lancer wasn't that Gen Lancer Soldiers.

[Kenan]

According to Wikipedia, it was the Lancer Fiore.

[Filippo]

But wasn't that sold here as the process.

[Kenan]

I don't know.

[Filippo]

Anyway, the point remains unbelievable that they would take garage rebadged Malaysian car.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

From the 80s.

[Kenan]

That's wild.

[Filippo]

And sell it as a Hot Wheels. How was this happening?

[Kenan]

Who at Mattel got away with who?

[Filippo]

Mattel was like, we're not even going to do the Mitsubishi version.

[Kenan]

No.

[Filippo]

We're going to do the rebadged Malaysian version.

[Douglas]

And if you happen to work for Hot Wheels and decided to do this, please let us know because I would be very curious on the thought process that arrived at this. Being produced.

[Filippo]

Sold one to me. And you know what? I got no regrets. And I would buy another one.

[Douglas]

Look, talking about it now.

[Filippo]

Yeah. And you know what? I'm keeping my mitten box because it's cool as hell.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

I'm going to buy a second one that I can drive.

[Douglas]

A driver. And when you put.

[Filippo]

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. New and wrapper. Yep.

[Douglas]

Extraordinary.

[Kenan]

Can't talk about my second user. Yeah. All right, please move forward. One more slide.

[Filippo]

Oh, God.

[Kenan]

What do you think this is?

[Filippo]

Well, I know what this is because you said earlier, but it is a pure. I would think that it's a pure Osang way.

[Kenan]

It's not. It's a Toyota Crown.

[Filippo]

It's a Toyota.

[Kenan]

So. So Toyota sells a Crown SUV in other markets. Inexplicably, not in the us. It is not the same as the Crown Signia that's sold here. It's a different version. It's a Crown suv, but there is a new body kit for it that makes it look even more like the Purosangue.

[Douglas]

Right now, of course, the Purosangue has suicide doors.

[Filippo]

So wait, is this.

[Kenan]

Well, there are some other differences.

[Filippo]

Is this the OE version or is this the body?

[Kenan]

This is the body kit version. It only changes the front end and the rear end.

[Filippo]

The front, to be fair, those are the Toyota headlights, but they also are.

[Kenan]

Kind of the purosangue headlights. So this is a pull off the Purosangue photo.

[Filippo]

Toyota makes a Purosangue.

[Kenan]

Yeah. The news story has been around the body kit, but frankly I thought the Toyota Crown looks like a Purosangue.

[Filippo]

Huh.

[Kenan]

Like pull up a Toyota Crown suv. But you gotta be specific about it.

[Filippo]

Huh?

[Kenan]

Toyota Crown Sport is what it's called.

[Douglas]

Oh, I can't.

[Kenan]

Oh my goodness.

[Douglas]

It's hard to type.

[Kenan]

Okay, so like by default it kind of looks like a pure sanguine.

[Filippo]

Yeah, go back, pull back out, pull back out. Unzoom, unzoom. All the unzoom there is. Pull up this one, this gray one down here that does have pure sine.

[Kenan]

Wall by straight up default it looks like a pure slingweight.

[Filippo]

Especially the glass house. Yeah.

[Kenan]

And then you add the like body kit that fixes the valence and the rear end and it looks like a.

[Filippo]

Pure sineway drawback, of course is that the pure sine wave's got a screamin V12 where I assume this has some sort of 1.6 liter hybrid two cylinder that gets 84 miles per gallon.

[Kenan]

Where's the drawback in this?

[Filippo]

Oh my God. That is the filippoest tippo that ever, Felipe.

[Kenan]

Like you have a purosangue on a budget and you're in Japan where the Crown Sport is sold. Here's your option.

[Filippo]

Here's your option.

[Kenan]

Although maybe it's also sold in European markets based on that plate.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Well that's interesting.

[Douglas]

What self respecting German would do this? That's just.

[Filippo]

Yeah, well if you want to look cool, but you have to get a Toyota Crown Sport. So they sell a crown that isn't the U.S. the crown Signia is a different crown SUV overseas.

[Kenan]

Good luck. Making sense when, when the crown sedan which is sold in the US Pull it up please can. Because everybody needs to appreciate that.

[Filippo]

It's amazing to me that they get away with this many, especially because the crown signature is generally agreed will be a failure even by Toyota.

[Kenan]

No, no, no, that looks too good. Yeah, yeah, there you go.

[Filippo]

Wait, there's a different crown overseas.

[Kenan]

I think there's just some like small differences. But the crown of like a full lineup for Toyota in Japan and some other markets, they bring the crown signature but not their suv. Despite the fact that that's the hottest.

[Filippo]

Selling I actually liked. But like it's not a viable vehicle in this market.

[Kenan]

But like I don't. When they first came out with the crown, they didn't, they said they weren't bringing an SUV over at all. It was just gonna be the sedan, which made no sense.

[Filippo]

You know, on this subject, this isn't one of my topics, but I want to talk to you about it. Cause it's a big deal. You know, Nissan's coming with a brand new, fully redesigned Murano. In fact bring it here tomorrow. So I looked up sales. Murano sales peaked, peaked at like 80,000 years.

[Kenan]

And what 04.

[Filippo]

You know what they did last year? 12, 19.

[Kenan]

Here's a couple that actually more than I thought.

[Filippo]

And by the way, the new Xterra. Oh no wait, it's been 13 years. I added this together. And since Nissan canceled the Xterra, Toyota has sold in the United States only 1.1 million forerunners. That's not an exaggeration. Since the Nissan exterior was canceled, Toyota sold 1.1 million 400.

[Kenan]

They didn't even design a redesign of one thing.

[Filippo]

They didn't redesign it in that time. And, and it's not a joke. Nissan is zero Xterras. And they're instead spending the resources to redesign the Murano of which they sold $19,000.

[Kenan]

Well, I'm sure that Ford is trembling in their boots that there's a new Ford Edge competitor.

[Filippo]

You know, Edge is gone, dude. This is the other thing. You're right, this is the thing. The 2 row midsize segment is down to 13 vehicles. Oh, if you want to call the.

[Kenan]

Out which, which you do because every comparison test that has ever compared any of them included the Outback.

[Filippo]

It's the Murano, the passport, the Venza.

[Kenan]

Till the last year.

[Filippo]

Venza is canceled too. This is the thing, right?

[Kenan]

Well, the Venza has been replaced by.

[Filippo]

The crossover automaker has been like, okay, we either have to cancel or go off roady or go three row because oh, the Blazer, of course the Blazer is gone. There's only ev.

[Kenan]

No, no, it still exists.

[Douglas]

I really apologize. If you're into sports car.

[Filippo]

If you're into off roaders, this is a real topic. Because the Xterra should still. This just is the most mind numbingly bad product planning decision I think that has been made since 2000. The last 25 years.

[Kenan]

You know what there was new. We talked about the Honda, Nissan merger. You know what Honda is like trying to claim Nissan will be hustle for large off roader SUVs because they have the Armada and the QX80. And Honda's like, oh, they'll help us be in the development of these very hot vehicles.

[Filippo]

Sold 1.1 million 4 runners unanswered by Nissan. And you know what the crazy part is? You know, who has the platform? Where does the Forerunner come from? The Tacoma. Right. You know, frontier. Nissan has the platform, which is a.

[Kenan]

Very successful Frontier and the very successful Titan platform that they developed especially for the Titan. And it's like, okay, 20 years ago.

[Filippo]

You'Re sitting there with all the tools, I can't help you anymore. I've made 50 videos about the fact that the Xterra should never have been canceled and I can't help them anymore. Instead they're bringing a Murano here. They sold 19,000.

[Kenan]

Is there a new Murano?

[Filippo]

Like, truly, it honestly makes no sense to me. I'm sure it'll have a sales bump. They'll sell 30,000 of them. But Toyota's selling 100,400 a year.

[Kenan]

You got to assume that all 19, that 18 and a half of the 19,000 were to Enterprise.

[Filippo]

Yeah, a lot of fleet sales. I think the whole thing is absolutely crazy.

[Kenan]

Is it a hybrid? New Meran?

[Filippo]

It's a four. I can't remember. I just wrote all the stuff down. It's a four cylinder now. Okay, let's move on to the market report because we got to get to questions. Market report, market report, Market report brought to you by the Cars and Bids app. To access the market report, you click on the app and then you market report your app.

[Kenan]

All right, from now on, I'm in charge. Can we start this off by talking about the shrivel ass? Because I want to talk about sports cards for you, Kenneth. All right, what about the SS? We have at this moment an SS live with a 16 manual. Bidding is at 27 grand in the first day. Yesterday we sold an automatic SS for 23. Yeah, and general, automatic SS's are kind of a deal.

[Filippo]

What was the mileage?

[Douglas]

That's because nobody wants it. It's manual.

[Filippo]

Pull up the mileage. I think it actually would be a pretty cool daily because 71 owner unmodified. Nice, right?

[Kenan]

They seem so underappreciated.

[Douglas]

This car is often compared to mine. And because it has an Nav 8, a six speed manual and rear wheel.

[Filippo]

Drive and 400 horsepower.

[Douglas]

Forget the six speed manual. Well, a little more but yeah, I think it's 400. Oh wait, the manual has 415 some more but it weighs more. So you figure it's probably pretty similar.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Douglas]

But nonetheless like yeah, the manual is what people want.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Filippo's point makes sense though. I mean if you want a daily at like a cool car for 20.

[Kenan]

Grand three it's an eight year old car.

[Filippo]

Yeah, but you don't commute.

[Douglas]

Yeah, but I've driven that car in.

[Kenan]

La you can drive a manual for your daily commute. But maybe you want a $20,000 Chevy SS.

[Filippo]

What other view commute in a manual if you paid me to do it.

[Kenan]

What other you commute here in a manual almost every day.

[Filippo]

I know but I don't commute like the people who commute from Escape.

[Douglas]

When I lived in Ohio it was a 30 minute commute to my office.

[Filippo]

Yeah. On nice sweeping back road.

[Douglas]

All highway and traffic. Every time I'd leave it was bad. Sir GR falls people.

[Filippo]

No, when I was 20 I would have done it too.

[Douglas]

I was younger. Yeah.

[Kenan]

I would still do it today. Buying a manual if it's cheaper.

[Douglas]

But it is remarkable to me that the six speed ones have held their values.

[Kenan]

They have held their value. But like.

[Filippo]

And that there's such a big gap.

[Douglas]

Yeah, yeah. Well no, that makes sense to me but the. It. It is an interesting car because it was, it just was maligned when it came out. People thought it looked way too normal and not. I love it sporty enough. Which was kind of the appeal.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I agree that was kind of the appeal. And especially in this era when cars were starting designs were starting to get extreme.

[Douglas]

Yeah, extreme. But it is, it is interesting that the manual ones really if so if you buy a manual one and drive.

[Kenan]

It a little bit over 20 grand is a. For a lfower. There's another one here 20 that was heavily modified.

[Filippo]

These cars are available in the low 20s. If you, if you're willing to take.

[Kenan]

What I would rather have an SS and a Charger certainly.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

And I can't think and I would rather. Would you rather have it than a. What was the last V8 powered? Reasonable BMW. The. The M5. The F10. M5 is cheaper somehow but like with a manual. No, no, with this. With an automatic.

[Douglas]

Well F90 also is also V8.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

These have good equipment, they're reliable, good looking cars. The interiors are actually this big.

[Douglas]

This one if you. We're looking at this burgundy one that we sold in 2020. I remember this startup video because this thing is canvas. 719 horsepower. This one will put. No, it's.

[Filippo]

Yeah, it is not surprised to see an Arizona license plate on that car.

[Douglas]

No, I remember, I remember. I think I wrote that one or edited that one. I can't recall exactly which, but I remember it very well.

[Kenan]

Nonetheless, it feels like a deal. I'm surprised by how cheap it is.

[Filippo]

The sticks though are really holding their value.

[Douglas]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

I would be curious what the sticker was.

[Douglas]

I mean it's almost 60,000.

[Kenan]

It's a $20,000 gap.

[Filippo]

What was sticker fleet on one of these cars? I mean, I know there's inflation, but I can't imagine the differences.

[Douglas]

Boom. Sticker was 49. 49, 470. Yeah.

[Filippo]

What other G product.

[Kenan]

Right.

[Filippo]

You walk into a chevy dealer in 16. Every other one of those cars is currently traded in 11 and a fish fillet.

[Kenan]

Having spent a lot of time looking at C7s A. A six speed manual 2016 C7 with that miles is a 35 car. Yeah. So the autos just seem like kind of a deal.

[Filippo]

The autos are deals. If you, if you want just a cool car and you want a daily commute and you. And you're not necessarily looking for the. The fun of the manual or paying up for the manual if you're going.

[Kenan]

To buy a charger. But if you don't.

[Douglas]

But if you want to buy. If you want to buy one of these and you want to hold it value, get the manual.

[Filippo]

Yeah. I think that's the other conversation point here is that if you get a stick you can probably get in and out of it without really losing any money. And they're probably reliable.

[Douglas]

But again that's our mentality is cost of ownership.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Douglas]

His mentality.

[Kenan]

For both this time.

[Filippo]

All right, Kenning, give us some market reports.

[Douglas]

So we had an interesting sale recently. So we sold a Boxster Spider rs which is incredibly desirable car. But this one here, this one, I mean this one's nicely optioned. 37 miles to start, but it had vysoc package finished in kind of an interesting color combination. Sulfur 221, which is not far off its MSRP.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I looked at the sticker was like 217, right?

[Douglas]

Yeah, I think so. This is a man. But still 217 was a sticker. So it's like pretty close to what they. They've come down. You're not paying, you know, 50 grand over sticker to get one of these.

[Filippo]

I have noticed this also on certain Other sites, I have noticed it also for GT4Rs. Yep. The. Everybody thought this would be like the hottest like flippers Porsche ever. Like it was going to be like 2x MSRP then. They made a lot of them. Yeah.

[Kenan]

How many?

[Douglas]

It's not a limited production.

[Filippo]

It's not limited. They're still making them. So how many you got?

[Kenan]

Obviously the Boxer Spider s came out for 24, but the GT4RS came out 23. Maybe it was, but nevertheless they've been around for a bit now.

[Filippo]

They've been around. Used ones are available. They're pretty easy to find. My understanding is allocations are not incredibly hard to get.

[Douglas]

Yes, I've heard that. I've heard. And for 4Rs, same thing I've heard. If you can get one, just be a little patient, it'll show up.

[Filippo]

Which by the way, I think is kind of a cool thing about this car. Another cool thing about this car that it's not such like the 911st is a God car that we're never going to be able to own or drive or see. But like this car, we. There's at least a couple of these. And the coupes that come to cars and coffee every week, like this is an available car. It's expensive, but it's not 2x sticker. And people are going to hold them in their garage and never and never take them.

[Kenan]

Which is maybe the curse of the Boxer a little bit. Well, I'm thinking about it as a collector.

[Filippo]

Yeah. You wouldn't buy this if you were thinking about as a collector, though. Porsche priced it high and there's no cap on numbers.

[Douglas]

Exactly. And it's a tip. If they had done a limited version of it with a manual and like there would be a car that people would be paying for.

[Filippo]

There was a stick of this.

[Douglas]

Oh man, it'd be the best.

[Filippo]

I still think this hard not to buy it.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Douglas]

One of the best modern sports cars currently in production, I would say in its current state. But with a stick it probably you could do. You could argue it was the best. The ST is. Is probably is better but like, I mean it's a very special car regardless, double the price. But nonetheless an interesting result. I was a little surprised here and I thought I would go for a little, little bit more than sticker, but turns out not.

[Filippo]

So that's where they are. You had an R230 SL55 point as well.

[Douglas]

Oh, yes. So we talked about this on. On our live now.

[Kenan]

Yeah, we did.

[Douglas]

Segment and this SL55R230.03 sold for 12 GS.

[Filippo]

What was the mileage?

[Douglas]

83. 7. So high mileage and not the best car company, you know, silver with a gray interior. But that is, I mean that's a 400 was 463 horsepower, right?

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Douglas]

493 horsepower, 516 foot pounds of torque. A seriously fast car. They look good too, I think. I personally agree. That rear view, we talked about that view, the rear view of it.

[Filippo]

It looks so wide and, and a reliable powertrain.

[Douglas]

Yes. That you can, if you wanted to modify, you can. And it's still reliable.

[Filippo]

The older Mercedes have this reputation for being unreliable which has dogged all their resale values. But if you know the few diamonds in the rough that are reliable, you can make a really good buy. You're right about this car. I didn't really think that much about it. But this is a reliable 500. How many reliable 500 horsepower cars exist? Number one. Number two for 12 grand. Go back to the, to this, to the list of the sales. Yeah.

[Douglas]

So look at any sell with those.

[Filippo]

Wheels that I love. Those million spokes.

[Douglas]

Oh, oh, the million. Yeah, million spokes. This one for 20. Yeah.

[Filippo]

Look at that wheel. If I showed up at Filippo's house with that wheel.

[Douglas]

You'Ve already fired his father and you've, you've given yourself a bonus. But.

[Filippo]

So there it is.

[Douglas]

No but I mean, so many of them are. Filippo would say, you know, what, 10, 13, 15.

[Filippo]

This is 10 with those wheels.

[Kenan]

Yep. Yeah, yeah, they're bargains.

[Douglas]

14.

[Kenan]

I think people are scared about reliability. Even if people misunderstand the engine. And there are others, it's costly to maintain.

[Douglas]

It's not.

[Kenan]

ABC is costly.

[Douglas]

Right. It's not the engine that's expensive, it's the, it's the suspension.

[Filippo]

To be clear, there are issues the car is not free to own. It's not like. But it's also not incredibly unreliably expensive. Like it's.

[Douglas]

No, of course, 12 grand.

[Filippo]

I mean, I can't believe what these are selling for.

[Kenan]

I know. It's a good deal.

[Douglas]

That's a serious bargain.

[Filippo]

It's also, if you, it's the kind of car like that, oh, seven with a red interior. That's the kind of car you pull up in front of somebody's house. They're like, damn, that's a cool car. Not knowing that you bought it for like the price of a Dodge Dart. I mean, look at this, this is a cool looking car. More Dart.

[Douglas]

Sure.

[Kenan]

Right. If you put on, put the cap again.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Douglas]

Gotta put on the.

[Filippo]

And the foot. There's a few things and maybe lower.

[Douglas]

Stock, but it was 14.

[Filippo]

It was 14 for 20. You in that car. Perfect.

[Douglas]

I still like this one for 12. That's.

[Kenan]

What a. What a bargain.

[Douglas]

What a bargain. Yeah.

[Kenan]

To be fair, every O3 Mercedes kind of is a bargain fundamentally.

[Douglas]

Well, there are a lot of good ones.

[Filippo]

Well, the E55s also from this era. Cool thing about the SL is it is like. It was like a beautiful flagship. I wouldn't call it a sports car, but a. Like a sport tour or touring, you know, real car.

[Douglas]

Kind of as close as Mercedes Benz came at the time. So they don't really build sports cars much.

[Filippo]

But the slr. Yeah.

[Douglas]

We're going to stand by what built the sl.

[Filippo]

Oh, damn.

[Douglas]

Wow. It was built in Woking. There are pictures of it in the McLaren factory.

[Filippo]

What about the SL? What about the SLK? Hey, you don't have any respect for.

[Douglas]

The S. Okay, no.

[Filippo]

God, no. But you're right. I mean, I mean.

[Douglas]

But you know what I'm saying. I mean, the Mercedes Benz is not known for that. But this car, again, if you are thinking about buying a sport. If you're thinking about buying a convertible and you want a German luxury car with real power, I mean, this is a serious.

[Filippo]

What do the twin tur. What do the 65s go for?

[Kenan]

More.

[Filippo]

What do the 600s go for?

[Kenan]

Not that much.

[Douglas]

600.

[Kenan]

You gotta move, Angie.

[Douglas]

Oh, right. The 60, 65s, depending on mileage, bring big money.

[Filippo]

Oh, 600s are like the same. But I don't know anything about that motor. I don't know if that motor is as reliable. I know the M113, the blown M113K is a pretty reliable engine. The V12 could be. I don't know the sick.

[Douglas]

Well, the 65S.

[Filippo]

23 for that one. Can I have that one? Click on that.

[Kenan]

Yeah, you can.

[Filippo]

Can I buy this car or is it sold?

[Kenan]

I mean, it is a headline six months ago, seven months ago.

[Douglas]

But I know a couple of people who bought these cars. Not new, but not far off. Drove them to 100,000 miles, bought another one, drove that to 100,000 miles.

[Filippo]

What's the mileage on this?

[Douglas]

This one's almost at 100,000 miles. I mean, it's a cool car. Granted, if there are certain parts of the engine that you need service, that the price of something that can total the car, it's just worth more than the car is. But. But I mean, look at the there's incredibly cool car. 738 foot pounds of torque.

[Kenan]

By the way. Could have been you. Before we start saying bad things about the SLK03 available with the stick, we actually have one live right now. That's fun fact.

[Filippo]

Okay, finally, time for your questions. Questions, questions, questions brought to you by the Cars and Bids market report you.

[Kenan]

If you have a question, go to a question.

[Filippo]

Go to the cars and bids.com the community tab. There will be a post there that says ask your questions and we will answer the highest upvoted questions, no matter how stupid. Okay, you can ask the dumbest question in the world and we'll answer it. And the first question speaking of comes from Kennan's girlfriend. Is the name of the user Emily. We haven't heard a lot from Emily lately. How's she doing?

[Douglas]

She's great.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Douglas]

Dad was very excited about January 6th recently.

[Filippo]

Oh, the. The anniversary. I bet he's really excited about January 20th.

[Douglas]

Yeah, that's all right. What's. What's that?

[Filippo]

Ken's girlfriend says, do you think we choose cars we buy based off others people's opinions too much. Some cars can be truly fun to drive, but we don't buy because of bad associations. Like the guy saying, I love that F650 video you did. I would love to have one, but everyone will assume I'm terrible. That's true. And yeah, there's definitely cars I've bailed on because I don't want to be associated with the type of person who owns them.

[Douglas]

Yeah, it's a pressure. I mean, I can think of a number right off the bat. The. Like the previous generation C63. Yeah, the C63. I mean that car, I love that car. But it has a reputation by being driven by people who aren't particularly kind.

[Filippo]

The V8C63s, the nice ones that remain stock, of which there are 11, were driven by serious people. The remainder all got on like black wheels with mismatched thin Chinese tires with like neons and tinted tail lights. And it's like a scary situation.

[Douglas]

Yeah. Which is a shame because I've driven that driven car stock when I came out. Wonderful car to drive. It's just the image that goes along with that. I agree. Actually here is like. It's exactly that. Also the same thing I said about like Mustang GT350. Love that car to death. Think it's so cool.

[Filippo]

You think the GT350 has a bad.

[Kenan]

I have no.

[Filippo]

I think in San Diego.

[Douglas]

Yeah, you're just a military Guy who just recently got paid a bunch, and I went and financed everything that you possibly could to penfed, and you bought that. And then you do roll out burnouts, and then you have to.

[Kenan]

A GZ350 has no reputation.

[Filippo]

Yeah. I think the 350 is more. A little bit more connoisseur, whereas the regular Mustang is more up your alley. Charger, Challenger, not up my alley.

[Douglas]

To be clear.

[Filippo]

More in that vein of what you're.

[Kenan]

Saying in that video.

[Filippo]

The Challenger Charger, kind of the same deal. Like, that's what I would assume.

[Douglas]

Yeah. And actually, there's also pressure. I would say. Na Miata gets a lot. Like, a lot of people thought it was too feminine. Too, like, girly or whatever that was.

[Filippo]

Like vape storage kids.

[Kenan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Douglas]

All supers. But there. No, there's definitely external pressure there.

[Kenan]

There's definitely.

[Douglas]

I don't know if it's precluded me from buying a car that I like, really.

[Filippo]

But, yeah, Filippo is immune, apparently. Doesn't bother him. Yeah, I mean, he only ever buys.

[Douglas]

Well, he. It's because he only ever buys boring cars. Don't offend anybody.

[Filippo]

Okay, next question from Tom Tinker. Question for Doug. It's clear that you listen to more music than anyone else on the planet. That being said.

[Kenan]

What?

[Filippo]

Cars have the best sound systems. And do you ever add. Replace speakers or subs? Do you use cars? You know, I get asked a lot. Why don't I review sound systems in the cars where I do the reviews? It's because of the royalties. All the greedy musicians want to be paid.

[Kenan]

I've never met anybody that cares less about how their audio sounds than you.

[Filippo]

Yeah, don't care.

[Douglas]

He just has to be listening to something.

[Filippo]

I love music, but I like. I just did a huge renovation of my house, and we didn't put in any smart speakers or anything. I use that portable Bluetooth, Bluetooth speaker.

[Kenan]

And, like, I have better speakers than you do. And I. And I. I'm me.

[Filippo]

I just. I just. I love music. The exactitude of the sound, I don't think is. It's like when. New tires. I got new tires. The Carrera gt. They're the same. I mean, they're exactly the same. If Kenan was driving the car, the precise feel and the. I don't.

[Kenan]

What you want to hear from. From America's favorite car reviewer.

[Filippo]

I don't distinguish. I'm not wrong. And honestly, if people were honest with themselves, they would say the same thing. You get all these people being like, the car I got it back from the tire place. It's so much better. Well, it's like no.

[Douglas]

What tires are worn out. And you put new tires on when.

[Filippo]

Tires are bad or old especially or worn out or if you're going to.

[Kenan]

Be KO2s to all seasons, which let's be.

[Douglas]

That's mostly when people.

[Filippo]

But I went from. I went from pilot sports to pilot sport cups. New to new, essentially.

[Douglas]

Well, I'll tell you the only people who notice you change me, the people behind you because you throw away more rocks.

[Filippo]

That's my goal.

[Douglas]

Which is a shame because being behind the career GT is where you want to be. Listen to that sound.

[Filippo]

Next question from carslover365 Guys, what's your apocalyptic car choice?

[Douglas]

Interesting.

[Filippo]

5Th gen 4Runner.

[Kenan]

No, I was going to say a Raptor Cayenne.

[Douglas]

No, I said kinda.

[Kenan]

I was going to say Raptor Cayenne would be great.

[Filippo]

Fifth gen Forerunner.

[Kenan]

The first gen Raptor.

[Filippo]

The official cars and bids answer to this question is a 5th gen 4.

[Douglas]

1St gen Raptor 70 series Land Cruiser.

[Filippo]

Oh, that old thing you get.

[Douglas]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

What if the apocalypse includes a side impact?

[Douglas]

There'll be nobody, nobody around. I can go very far away and not have to worry and I can get back.

[Filippo]

Can I. Can I give you. Can I posit something? The 5th gen Forerunner is the 70 series.

[Douglas]

The difference is the 70 series Land Cruiser. You can fix it with literally a mallet.

[Filippo]

Dude. The fifth gen Forerunner, like it's got halogen lights and you start it with a key and.

[Douglas]

Exactly. I start mine with a spoon. It's even easier.

[Filippo]

Stop. You. You reach your leg down into the car and drag it on the ground.

[Douglas]

The 70 series is one of the least complicated.

[Filippo]

Okay. But the, the. Everybody who complains about how the 70 series is never sold in the US should just get a 15 400. That's the 70 series. It's not quite as simple, but it's close. It's a lot safer.

[Douglas]

I don't know. I almost got. We. We almost got stranded in the 70 series in Africa when I was there. And like it was so easy to fix and simple to fix.

[Filippo]

It was great. I'm just going to say this. Filippo and I one time in Laos almost got stranded. We had a 5th gen forerunner.

[Kenan]

We were good.

[Filippo]

We were in the rush fields.

[Kenan]

We didn't even get stranded. We had a 5th gen forerunner.

[Douglas]

I was in Botswana.

[Filippo]

We almost got in the Okavango that we were in Laos. Up to our necks and water.

[Kenan]

Yeah, but when you got out.

[Douglas]

I've Gone through water up to my neck in a.

[Filippo]

Listen, when we. When we. When we are driving around in window eck and we go out into the desert, we take our fifth gen four.

[Kenan]

I take my first 70.

[Filippo]

I can't believe. First gen raptor. Okay, Quest, this is a great question. We're gonna do two more. This is a great question. The finest question I've been asked today by anybody.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Filippo]

From Hammond, you idiot. What? Motor Trend Car of the Year winners throughout history are the most and least deserved. I'm gonna pull some good ones because Motor Trend Car of the Year. And by the way, I love and respect Motor Trend as a publication. I truly do. They generally have a tendency to award car of the year to some of the worst cars you could imagine. I'll give you some examples. In 2001, the esteemed Chrysler PT Cruiser.

[Kenan]

That one I support.

[Filippo]

That's 2002.

[Kenan]

Big deal.

[Filippo]

The esteemed Ford Thunderbird, which I believe they sold 47 of and lasted for one generation. The 2007 Toyota Camry. A notable, notable redesign for the car.

[Kenan]

It had that blue dial background.

[Filippo]

In 1997 Chevy Malibu. It was.

[Douglas]

Was.

[Kenan]

Yeah, that was bad.

[Filippo]

That was exaggeratedly bad. The 2012 Volkswagen Passat, notably terrible midsize sedan. The 2017 Chevy Bolt EV. There was hyper on that car for an afternoon. This is a. Almost reads like a list. 2000. The Lincoln LS. It almost reads like a list of the biggest automotive failures in the last 25 years.

[Kenan]

Can I say two things? First of all, 2023 was the G90 Genesis.

[Filippo]

Well, okay, so what happened in recent years, to be perfectly fair to Motor Trend, is that they stop. New cars have stopped coming out. And so they've. They've basically just awarded cars to any new car.

[Kenan]

They have. Awarded the 2025, which.

[Filippo]

The E class.

[Kenan]

Yeah, 2025. It's January. Well, there are still 25 model. You're coming out. Looking ahead, the Malibu is. Oh, no, the 1995.

[Filippo]

I want to be clear also about one thing. With Motor Train Car of the Year, the Chrysler Cirrus. I want to be clear. Yeah, Chrysler. I want to be clear also with one important thing about Motor Trend Car of the year. Until 2000, they split American Car of the Year and import Car of the Year. And they did that because they knew that if they let them all compete, American cars would never win. So Car of the year was an American car. And then there was import Car of the Year, which was different. Now they combined them for 2001. And the winner of that esteemed year was the PT Cruiser followed by the Thunderbird. It wasn't until 03 that import won. I will never forget when they awarded it to the 03 Infiniti G35 which was correct. Yeah, that's their only correct award in 1995.

[Douglas]

I just thought the F50 was better than.

[Kenan]

No, they have a.

[Filippo]

They have a price cut. They won't award it to cars like that.

[Kenan]

Which by the way is a lot of cars now.

[Filippo]

The import car of the year, by the way was. Didn't. Wasn't exactly better. Some of their choices.

[Douglas]

You know what that's almost like. It's almost like a. Like a cash for clunkers list is kind of what that feels like to be honest with you.

[Filippo]

Some of the. Oh man. First off in. In import car the year they didn't award it for many years throughout the 70s they just didn't feel it was necessary. The new Beetle 1 in 99 steamed automobile.

[Kenan]

I agree with that.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kenan]

No, I stand by all these. Just that that seems reasonable.

[Filippo]

The imports are better but they're almost all sports cars. Giulia won an 18, by the way. There's another.

[Kenan]

For some reason what I find interesting is sometimes they want to change their minds. For example, in 1985 the GTI was the car of the year because it was built at Volkswagen. But. But in 94 the accord was the.

[Filippo]

Import car of the year.

[Kenan]

But it was built in Ohio.

[Filippo]

Right? Yeah. No, look, there were. There are some interesting cars on this list. Almost all of them are bad. The 2010 Ford Fusion. Wasn't that just a facelift?

[Kenan]

No, no, it was.

[Filippo]

Wasn't that just the facelifted first gen Fusion? But they've rewarded to the E class twice.

[Kenan]

It was the facelift which was a good facelift.

[Filippo]

It was a good look like a.

[Kenan]

Razor in the front.

[Filippo]

They put Gallardo wheels on it. Remember that? Pull up the 2010 fusion. Let's look at the Gallardo wheels. Also look at the answer. The answer to the question asked by Hammond, you ate it is there was never a most deserving. There have been many least deserving. I will say I am proud that in 13 they give it to the model S which was the right choice.

[Douglas]

That's a good looking car.

[Filippo]

The Gallardo wheels. That's the guy wheels right there. That's that gray one, that one. Look at that. Look at those Gallardo wheels.

[Kenan]

They are great wheels. I don't even.

[Douglas]

We all agree they're hard to find. Good photo but that's it.

[Filippo]

Yep. Okay.

[Kenan]

300M in 1988 was obviously the winner.

[Filippo]

I mean, just bad Lincoln LS was.

[Kenan]

Good when it came out.

[Filippo]

Bad award. Final question from Snob. Sn Aab Snob. People always jokingly comment on your videos that when you review something, it increases in value. Has this ever actually happened? No.

[Kenan]

Trust in the exception says no.

[Filippo]

People are like, oh, Doug reviewed it, so now it's lost. I don't have that poll. Nobody really.

[Kenan]

I think the Maserati MC12. You reviewed it?

[Filippo]

MC12. No, there are a few exceptions. I do think I increased Vector W8 prices a little bit. I'm dead serious about that. G Wagon Cabrio, I think had a huge increase after I bought one. I think I just raised awareness about it. I don't think people knew about it before, but otherwise, no. People already know about all these cars. I go up and say, oh, such and such is a great value. I mean, it doesn't change anything. Yeah, check the prices. They don't change. It's like, oh, there's more people aware. Not really. Well, who's 600,000 people watch my video. Half of them are out of the US you don't have to worry about this. You're good.

[Kenan]

I think there are probably new cars where you reviewed it and it increased demand.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah, no, that's. There's no doubt that new cars. Some of my videos for new cars have sold cars.

[Kenan]

Not because you're like trying to sell cars because you. People want to know information.

[Filippo]

They want.

[Kenan]

You give them information. Like, oh, yeah, this fits my need. And people come to me all the.

[Filippo]

Time on the street, say, I bought this car because of you. It happens almost every kill.

[Douglas]

Do you think the opposite is true? So some cars you reviewed and interest went down.

[Filippo]

You think I had an effect, negative effect on the Maserati Ghibli? The.

[Douglas]

This is the first car I thought of. But no, it was just a bad car.

[Filippo]

It was a bad car. It would have happened regardless. It was trash. Okay, that's our pod. Flippo. Yeah. Yeah.

[Kenan]

Check out the cars and B app. Wow.

[Filippo]

We're still pushing the app. Damn.

[Kenan]

Why not?

[Filippo]

Yeah, go. The app's got all sorts of appy things. Anyway. Goodbye, everyone. Lovely podcast. One of our best ever.

[Douglas]

Goodbye.