EV Sales Crash! Doug's Carrera GT Breaks Down, Jeeps Are Catching Fire! THIS CAR POD! EP85

Summary

THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends!

EP85: EV Sales Crash! Doug's Carrera GT Breaks Down, Jeeps Are Catching Fire!
Release Date: November 7, 2025

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

This lively episode features Doug DeMuro, Kenan Rolson, and Nick, with Filippo absent ("gallivanting" as the others joke). The trio covers a wide array of hot automotive topics: Kenan’s major car purchase (and new YouTube channel), the crash in EV sales post-tax incentives, Jeep’s fire-prone plug-in hybrids, SEMA show highlights, Saleen’s crowdsourced supercar, the Las Vegas concours and Veyron gathering, and ongoing car ownership misadventures—including Doug’s Carrera GT woes. The episode finishes with market insights, Q&A, and takes on the best cars for a "raw" driving experience.

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HIGHLIGHTS & KEY DISCUSSION POINTS

1. Kenan Buys an SL65 AMG (00:25–06:33)

• Kenan's Big News: He bought an alabaster white 2007 Mercedes SL65 AMG (R230), “the big boy” with a 6.0-liter twin-turbo V12 and a Renntech tune (~735hp, 826 lb-ft).
  • Quote, Kenan (01:03): “I have always wanted one of these cars.”
  • Car found via podcast connections; now has own YouTube channel: Kenan Rolson.
  • Nick laments Kenan’s shift from “Anti Mod” to a modded monster—“more HP and torque than my SLR and paid less!” (01:35)
• Reliability Concerns: 72,300 miles, but Kenan is confident—stack of service records, previous owner was an engine engineer with lots of documented work.
• Comparison to SLR (05:25):
  • SLR seen as having “extra presence.”
  • Real-world: “On the highway together… both have laid into it and it’s pretty even.” —Kenan (06:06)
• Teasing Doug: Group jokes Doug still hasn't bought the iconic 993 Turbo he’s been after.
• Kenan’s Content: First video up, group pledges to subscribe/support.

2. SEMA Show & Toyota’s Scion Resurrected (07:06–09:49)

• Highlights:
  • SEMA in progress; Toyota unveils “Scion 01”—a side-by-side made from Tacoma parts, with “Scion” branding.
  • Commentary on the increasingly wild, tasteless SEMA builds.
  • Quote, Nick (09:01): “It’s become a total circus, as you would expect.”
  • None of the trio have been to SEMA; not “Vegas people,” nor eager for “aftermarket headlight solution” pitches.

3. EV Sales Crash After Tax Incentives Expire (09:49–12:04)

• Major Declines:
  • Ioniq 6 “down 52%,” Prologue “down 80%” (10:24)
    • Quote, Doug (10:26): “80% decline. It’s a complete disaster.”
  • Subaru Solterra: sold 13 units nationwide in October (from ~800/month); “inventory will never move.”
• Market Perspective:
  • Big incentives “robbed Peter to pay Paul.”
  • Jaguar in trouble for betting the brand on EVs; group agrees they should “be very worried.”
  • Memorable Joke: “If you’re watching this podcast in 2063, you can still get a ’25 Solterra on the lot.” —Doug (11:40)

4. Honda Passport/Off-Road Model Rumors (12:04–14:24)

• **Honda finally getting serious about an off-road model.”
• Company is “conservative, slow moving”—always waits until the market is absolutely proven.
  • Quote, Doug (13:06): “They’re just afraid.”
• Group jokes about lackluster TrailSport trims: “It’s a mildly lifted Pilot…actually, I don’t think it’s even lifted.” —Doug (14:11)

5. Porsche Patents ‘Tunnel Mode’ (15:57–17:28)

• Porsche to automate enthusiast tunnel rituals: Sensors will drop a gear, lower windows, adjust heat for better sound; even alerts convertible owners.
  • “They’re gonna offer it for EVs too—give you more EV noise before a tunnel.” —Kenan (16:38)
• The group banters about their own tunnel traditions (Nick yells “fire in the hole!”).
  • “As a quirk and feature guy, I love this stuff.” —Doug (17:24)

6. Saleen’s Crowdsourcing Supercar Design (18:39–22:14)

• Saleen S1-1 Concept: At LeMay Museum, public votes on styling features.
• Cynicism over company’s health: “It’s gotten a little sad... fundraising from owners, China deal gone wrong.”
  • Memorable moment: “They’ll get a bunch of trolley stuff, like name it Boaty McBoatface.” —Doug (22:05)
• General hope that Saleen survives and does a GAS supercar, not EV.

7. Jeep Plug-In Hybrids: Fire Risk Recall (22:17–25:08)

• Jeep recalls 320k+ 4xe plug-in hybrids—advises owners to park outside due to fire risk: “Anytime a plug-in EV… don’t park it indoors, remember the bolts?”
  • Only 19 incidents/1 injury, but perception problem for already struggling Jeep/Grand Cherokee 4xe.
  • Doug: “I wish I had a new Grand Cherokee... but I was worried it’d strand me, which I still think is true.” (24:10)
• Group discusses reliability of 4-doors vs. 2-doors; “Two-doors can strand you… four-doors, it’s gotta be reliable.” —Doug (24:35)

8. RAM SRT Comeback (25:51–28:29)

• RAM will revive SRT models: no V10, but “SRT-10” branding and two new models coming in next 90 days. Street truck, not off-road TRX; Hellcat engine expected.
• Nick: “Did you see there’s going to be a Ram SUV? Like a Ramcharger style, 2028.” (27:06)
• Banter about product repositioning, failures (Wagoneer, Theranos as a punchline).

9. Las Vegas Concours: Veyron Gathering (28:32–30:39)

• Biggest Veyron gathering yet: 14 Veyrons, record sale at $2.04mil, exotics like Reventon and Veneno.
• “It’s like a Plymouth Prowler gathering, just… $2 million.” —Doug (29:50)
• Controversy: Veneno dubbed by Doug as “the ugliest car ever made” (29:04), to group disagreement.

10. Renault’s Electric Twingo Revival (32:35–33:32)

• Cute, retro EV Twingo concept for Europe only.
• Comparison to VW Beetle; group notes fondness for classic Twingos in Europe.
• “If EVs are gonna succeed, something like [Twingo EV] could work as just a commuter.”

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AUDIENCE Q&A — Notable Answers & Moments (63:15–88:59)

• Kenan’s E39 M5 Budget: Still under $1,500 so far, not counting a gift card from friends.
• Car Financing vs. Paying Cash: Doug advocates for financing at low rates only if you could’ve paid cash anyway; smart investing wins long term.
  • “If you get a sufficiently low interest rate… and invest the rest, you will end up ahead.” —Doug (78:53)
• Raw Experience Cars Under $30k: Group recommends Lotus Esprit V8, Pantera, Gen 1 Viper, Shelby Cobra replicas, and Termi Cobras for “Countach-like” X-factor.
• Worst Generation Downgrades: E38 to E65 BMW 7-Series; Honda C2 to C3 Corvette; C63 AMG V8 to hybrid 4-cyl.

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QUOTEBOARD (Time-stamped)

"80% decline. It's a complete disaster."
— Doug (10:26), on Honda Prologue EV sales after tax credits ended

"I have always wanted one of these cars."
— Kenan (01:03), on the SL65 AMG

"It's as if Jeep wasn't having enough problems... now they're saying you can't park [a 4xe] in your garage."
— Doug (22:48)

"Two-doors can strand you… four-doors, it's gotta be reliable. That's my rule now."
— Doug (24:35)

"They’ll get a bunch of trolley stuff, like name it Boaty McBoatface."
— Doug (22:05), on Saleen’s crowdsourcing their supercar design

"The dream of when you're young versus the reality… the clothes of the boy don't fit the man."
— Kenan (45:51), ruminating on car collecting vs. adulthood

"It looks like a Pontiac Aztek."
— Doug (54:59), comparing Urus to a meme car

"I listen to more music than anyone."
— Doug (83:32), on Spotify Wrapped (and Night Traveler as his favorite band)

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

| Segment | Start | End | |-------------------------------------------------|--------|---------| | Kenan Buys SL65 + YouTube News | 00:25 | 06:33 | | SEMA, Scion 01, SEMA Antics | 07:06 | 09:49 | | EV Sales Crash Discussion | 09:49 | 12:04 | | Honda “Off-Roader” Discussions | 12:04 | 14:24 | | Porsche “Tunnel Mode” Patent | 15:57 | 17:28 | | Saleen’s Crowdsourced Supercar | 18:39 | 22:14 | | Jeep Plug-in Recall / Reliability Debate | 22:17 | 25:08 | | RAM SRT & Street Truck Return | 25:51 | 28:29 | | Las Vegas Concours, Veyron Gathering | 28:32 | 30:39 | | Renault Twingo EV Revival | 32:35 | 33:32 | | Doug's Carrera GT & Countach Breakdowns | 43:30 | 47:10 | | Q&A (Raw Experience / Money-shifting/Finance) | 63:15 | 88:59 |

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MEMORABLE & FUNNY MOMENTS

• Kenan’s Car Buying Antics: Finally purchasing after constant teasing from listeners and co-hosts—“the commenters have been way more brutal, but here it is.” (04:24)
• Nick yelling "fire in the hole!" before tunnel blasts. (17:28)
• Doug’s admission of musical obsessiveness and public Taylor Swift karaoke. (85:13)
• Disputing internet car reliability:
  • “Anyone who said they just blew a 5-year-old TTRS engine didn’t money shift it? Trust me, they money-shifted it.” —Doug (76:05)
• Las Vegas concours parallel: “It’s like a Plymouth Prowler gathering… just, you know, $2 million.” —Doug (29:50)
• Saleen crowd design risks: “They’re gonna get a bunch of trolley stuff.” —Doug (22:05)

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OVERALL TONE

Fast-paced, candid, banter-heavy, with a mix of deep car enthusiast analysis and playful, self-deprecating humor. The hosts poke fun at themselves (and each other), share real-world experiences, and offer both market perspective and practical ownership tips.

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CLOSING

"Go to Kenan's YouTube channel… I haven't seen the video yet. I'm incredibly excited."
"We're a Mercedes-Benz group now. We've all got Mercedes-Benz!" —Group

And with that, the trio signs off, promising more news, drama, and "degeneracy" next week—hopefully with fewer breakdowns and perhaps even Filippo back from his latest “gallivant.”

Transcript

[A]

Foreign.

[B]

Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[C]

I'm Kenan.

[A]

I'm Nick.

[B]

Nick's here because Filippo is gone once again. Is Filippo even still part of this?

[C]

He's gallivanting. I gallivanted this summer. He's currently gallivanting. But Nick is here.

[B]

We got a lot to cover today, but undoubtedly the biggest news story is sitting behind me. Kenan. Oh, yes, tell it to us.

[C]

The biggest news, at least in my world, is that I finally bought a car.

[B]

Kenan has bought a car. Folks, this trouble. All automotive news for the week.

[C]

Yes, as. As I've been alluding to, there are a lot of cars I was thinking about. I mentioned the R230 SL55.

[B]

I can see it's an R230. Is it an SL320?

[C]

No, baby, that's the big boy. It's an SL65AMG. I have always wanted one of these cars. I mentioned it briefly on the podcast and someone actually reached out to Nick, who then was connected with me. And here the car is. It's a lovely example. Like I said, 07 alabaster, white, red interior and a 6 liter high turbo V12.

[B]

6 liter twin turbo V12. And Kenan is going to tell us more about it on his.

[C]

Oh, yes, that's the other piece of very big News on my YouTube channel. So I have my own YouTube channel that I've started. By the time this is out, the first video has gone live. So it's just my name, Kenan Rolson, which no one knows how to spell, but it's K E, N, A N. Yes. If you start looking, we'll have it linked in the description below, of course, but feel free to check it out if you are so inclined.

[B]

Kenan, hat. Folks, folks, Nick, this is the biggest. Kenan has a YouTube channel and an SL65.

[A]

All right, you know what? I'm kind of salty. All right, not only did he get an SL65, he got a rentech tuned one. So Mr. Anti Mod has more horsepower and more torque than my slr. And I can tell you he paid a little less.

[C]

Don't you forget it.

[A]

On top of that, he's creating a new YouTube channel. Sounds familiar. And I heard he's launching an automotive marketplace called Vehicles and Wages. So, like, come on.

[B]

Okay, so let's talk about this. Nick just bought his slr. He talked about it on the pod last week. He revealed it on his own. We've all got YouTube channels everywhere.

[C]

Yes, everybody except Filippo, who will buy a car and have a YouTube channel. Soon, hopefully.

[A]

Yes, coming soon.

[B]

But let's talk about this. He's got an SL65.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that SLR you got a week.

[A]

Ago, you boy the crap out of me.

[C]

Well, look, I had waited 20 years to own my F355. I bought it. It was a huge deal. And then both of you bought cars within like a week and took all of my thunder tickets. Come home to roost, my friends.

[B]

I actually bought my car first. It just took a while to get here.

[C]

Yes, both of you actually beat me to having your car actually arrive. But that's due to the dealer I bought it from that whole thing. But nonetheless, yes, I do now also have a high powered range topping Mercedes.

[A]

You and I bought cars at the same time. Our friend Sam bought a car at the same time. There's just these seasons of life where you change out all the cars and get new ones. So I'm thrilled you did it. And it is funny to see the two cars together knowing how similar they are.

[C]

And Doug, Doug still wants a 993 Turbo. What are you doing?

[A]

Please buy one so people stop sending me listings.

[B]

I know, I know. People keep sending me listings to silver ones. It is so a Euro one. I had somebody just now, just right now, reach out and be like, do it. Buy a euro one in Europe. I want a US993. Okay, so white, red, SL65. How many miles?

[C]

72,300 miles.

[B]

Are we not a little bit concerned?

[C]

So no. Now initially, if there's so two things Nick has taught me that you kind of can just go into this and like learn what it's like. Like, you don't have to be as afraid. Now maybe the Bentley, you know, you don't do that. You don't do that.

[B]

You can go to a certain level, but just don't go too far or buy that crappy of a car.

[C]

Right. And now you have to listen to.

[B]

Doug at some point.

[C]

Right. And I did some research. This is technically an R232. They got a little bit better when they facelifted this car for the first time. They then facelifted it again, which is the one with a different front end. So this car's got a little bit more reliable. But also this car comes with a stack of service documentation. Not the previous owner, but the owner before him was an engine engineer. And he got an aftermarket warranty and used it a lot. And so I have documentation like this that shows the ABC system was serviced, that I think the water Pump, which is a known issue on those engines, has been replaced. A bunch of other stuff too, so really not particularly worried about it. And I'll do a video talking about, you know, everything that's wrong with my SL65, but so far I've put about 500 miles on it since I got it and a couple weeks ago and not an issue.

[B]

So far, folks, Kenan has bought a. The chickens have come home to roost. I think that's what I said. But it's a Midwestern team. It is interesting. He's been talking about buying a car for a long time. Some people, me included, have been giving him, oh, he's never going to buy a car. The commenters have been way more brutal, but here it is. And not only that, Kenan was talking about Owen Evora or a Lotus Viper. He went above and beyond all that. He's got 800 horsepower and 9 million pound feet of torque.

[C]

Yeah, allegedly. It's 735 horsepower and 826 pound feet of tune.

[B]

With the tune.

[C]

Yeah, allegedly.

[B]

So. So we have to verify on your end. I mean, you know, he.

[A]

He also gets things like parking sensors. His keyless entry doesn't require you to put the key in to start it. There's a bunch like the folding hard top. I. I believe you have Bluetooth that streams music.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

There's a lot of amenities.

[B]

Well, you have a cassette player, though.

[C]

But he has a V12 and you have a little thing you flip up and you hit, you know, start, you know, that's pretty cool.

[A]

It's, I will say, having them side by side. The SLR does have a little extra presence.

[B]

It is interesting. I think one of the complaints that people have about the SLR is that it's sort of like an sl, but when you actually put them next to each other, it's like the Courier GT and the Boxster. Oh, it's like a Boxster. Well, that's true. Right up until you get them next to each other and then you realize kind of that the SLR is a more precise tighter, like more kind of insanely created.

[A]

They're both really special. And I think seeing them together, you recognize similarities and differences. But like, the SL65 is also very under.

[B]

And we have always wanted one in this group. The all of us, three of us and a few others. Some of them appear on this.

[C]

I talk about it more in the video, but that engine, my God. Now there, that is another. We can talk about this all day, but there is a reason yours is the supercharged V8 and not a V12. It's because it's just a more immediate. That engine takes a second to spool like a jet turbine. But my God, we've both been on the highway together. Both have laid into it and it's pretty even.

[A]

Nick, it takes a second to spool up. Is a good vibe for you.

[C]

Yes, I do take a second.

[A]

Where's Kenan? Oh, he's spooling up.

[B]

It's taking a second to hear.

[A]

VTech hasn't caught in yet.

[B]

Anyway, there's gonna be more on Kenan's YouTube channel talking about the SF65. Go there and watch. And he's gonna have more stuff and more updates and interesting automotive content like Ken. And there's Kenan fans. There are Kenan fans, there are Nick fans, there are Filippo fans, There are Filippo fans. Filippo.

[C]

I'm Filippo fans.

[B]

Filippo doesn't care about any of this though. So you're never getting any content out of him. But these two will give you content. And Kennen's. Go to Kennen's YouTube channel. I'm very excited myself to subscribe. I plan to be subscriber number four.

[C]

Oh, thank you, that's very kind.

[A]

Yeah, can you send me a link?

[C]

I will absolutely.

[A]

I'm not a subscriber.

[C]

I will send everybody links.

[B]

Okay, we gotta go on to the actual news, starting with sema. SEMA is going on right now. I don't have anything specific to say it just by the time you're watching this, it will have gone on a little more. But right now it's like just started. So there's not that much happening when we're filming this. Today Toyota released a Scion. A Scion. A Scion. It is a side by side, it's an all terrain vehicle and it's apparently made from Tacoma parts. But it is nonetheless called the Scion 01. And it is like the Scion brand has returned. And actually on the side of it it literally says Scion.

[C]

Huh?

[A]

Yeah, in the arctic camo.

[B]

But there's other stuff too. We have a couple friends who are there who are sending us pictures and obviously all of it is tasteless and ridiculous, which is the fun of se there. That's what we are looking for.

[A]

Well, Kenan, you're a big mod guy with your rentech tunes. This is your vibe. Tell us about it.

[C]

Yeah, I, I've never been to sema. I can't imagine a place would be more out of like fish out of water than SEMA.

[A]

But I will say that Throttle has their GT4 GT.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

That they're TJ Hunt. Yeah, it looks incredible. It's a WD WD40 livery, but it came out really cool, as in, TJ Hunt debuted a new car there, too. So feels like the other San Diego YouTuber should probably be bringing something to SEMA next year.

[C]

You ever been to sema?

[B]

Absolutely not. And I have no one. Look at that.

[C]

I know. That's everything.

[B]

I. I'm not a Vegas guy in general. It's not, like, kind of my vibe, and I definitely don't want to go to Vegas to have a million people run up to me and tell me about their aftermarket headlight solution.

[A]

There's some. A lot of it. Now, it is supposed to be a trade show for people in the business, not like a car show, but kind.

[B]

Of becoming a car show.

[A]

Yeah, there was a video or a photo. I saw someone, like, snuck into the event through the, like, the. The air vents in the ceiling and stuff like that. So it's like it's become a total circus, as you would expect.

[B]

Is it even hard to get tickets?

[A]

You. I mean, you have 100 bucks. Show that you're in the industry, but, like, to approve. It's like getting a press pass. Come on.

[C]

I mean, yeah, it's like getting press photography plates on your car.

[B]

Excuse me, I am a bona fide press photographer. Okay, so SEMA's going on. That Toyota thing is the first big piece of news I've seen out of there. Nothing else yet, but I'm sure there will be more. Go Google SEMA content. Get off this video.

[C]

Get out of our podcast.com aftermarketheadlight solutions.

[A]

Instagram.com is also a good source for more.

[B]

My Instagram is all tennis, so I don't get any car stuff there anymore and.

[C]

Oh, really? No dogs? Wow. Just tennis.

[A]

You know that.

[C]

Just Federer and his back end.

[B]

Pretty much. It's all. It's all. The car stuff's all stopped. And sometimes I get accident videos, crash videos. I'm interested in that. I'm interested in that.

[C]

Interesting.

[B]

Okay, move on to the next story. The next story is a great one. EV sales. I don't want to harp on this because we've talked about it before and we predicted this would happen. But the tax incentive for EVs ended at the end of last month. It ended at the end of September, and here we are in October, the spooky month. And boy, is it spooky if you're selling EVs, the numbers are Absolutely. We all knew they would drop Ioniq 6. Sales were down 52%. That car is already a car that was selling pretty lowly. I read that prologue sales were down 80%.

[A]

Wow. 80.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

You know, I was in D.C. a couple weeks ago and I saw a prologue drive by with one of those magnet decal things on the side that said we buy junk cars. And I'm like, for that type of person to get a brand new ev, you know they were deals, right?

[C]

That's so true.

[B]

But they ate anymore.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

80% decline. It's a complete disaster.

[A]

I mean, it's hard because they rob Peter to pay Paul. Right. Last quarters were good because it pulled forward a lot. So, like Q4 is also not indic. Like Q1 should be better because it will have normalized versus if you were thinking like September 30th, should I buy now or wait a month like you.

[B]

Were buying, maybe, But I have a suspicion the current output is probably about what it's going to be. So I don't necessarily think there was like a big, oh, it went up and then it went down. But it's going to. I think it went up and it went down and it's going to stay down. The drive is reporting the following Subaru Solterra in 25 was about to match its 24 sales total right up until October. They sold 10,000 units in 24. So 1,000amonth? I don't know, 800. Last month they sold 13 nationally.

[C]

13?

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yikes. Now that car is about to be replaced, so they're selling to that. But it was also a terrible ev and I bet there's an enormous amount of inventory and that inventory will never move. If you're watching this podcast in 2063 you can still get a new 25 Solterra on the lot.

[C]

Right now it's under a couple feet of dust, but it's there.

[A]

Jaguar has to be really worried. They bet the whole company on an EV and this ain't good news.

[B]

I think Jaguar should be worried for a lot of reasons.

[C]

Jaguar's never not been worried, really. Not since like the E type.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Honest.

[B]

All right, give us our next news story, please. Honda, the passport. I'm looking up news for this pod and I got on Motor Trends website. Can you pull up Motor Trends news website, please?

[C]

Latest breaking Motor Trends.

[B]

Scroll down. What's the headline? Honda getting serious about more actually capable off road model. You know, it's funny, I've heard that. I've heard that they should do that someone somewhere has been harping on it on the world's largest automotive podcast. I wonder who convinced them to do this.

[C]

I would like to think it was more than just you, for the sake that I don't think we'll be able to fit your head on camera if you really think you have that much influence.

[B]

But I got to say though, you know, what I think influenced it is that they took a look at 14 years of forerunner sales and they said, you know, we thought this trend would die out after, after 13 years, but I think it's going to stick around now. So maybe we'll make something capable.

[C]

Why does Honda take such a long time to realize these things that seem very obvious to everybody else?

[B]

They're just afraid. They're a very conservative, slow moving, kind of tepid company and they're very afraid to go outside of their core. And sometimes they do, but even then they're afraid to really invest in it.

[C]

I can relate to that personally. But they need a nick to like push them. Maybe your Honda's nick.

[A]

The nick was there back when they had the original insight, the element. They were doing some legit stuff and then they pulled back.

[B]

I agree about the insight. The original insight, but even the element, you know, it was a crv, right? And they did some weird packaging. It was cool. But like, ultimately even that they didn't. They even made an SC version that wasn't supercharged. It just had the same regular. It was purely cosmetic. Like there's just, there's never this, like, until it is really absolutely proven that this is where they have to go. They're just afraid to do it. But maybe now that'll change. Maybe they'll finally go body on frame.

[A]

I hope, like the new Camry, you are bestowed the honor of being the first person in America to drive one.

[B]

Outside whatever the off road vehicle is. Yeah, the passport Trail Sport is cutting it.

[A]

Although this is a mildly lifted pilot or whatever it is that we're looking.

[B]

At, I don't even think it's lifted. I have a neighbor who just. I don't know this person. I never met this person, but I walked by their house, they just got rid of a Tacoma and got one of these.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And it's like, oh, maybe Honda's succeeding, but probably not.

[C]

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[B]

All right, time for our next news story.

[A]

Please.

[C]

Ah, yes, a picture of a tunnel.

[B]

A tunnel.

[C]

Porsche recently filed a patent for an interesting feature in their cars. Now, as car people, we approach a tunnel, we kind of go through this ritual. Oh, yeah, you slow down a little bit, you put the windows down, you knock down a gear so that you can lay into it and hear as you go through the tunnel. Porsche knows that people want to do this and they've developed a mode that the car will sense you're getting near a tunnel using cameras and gps and when you do, it will choose a lower gear. If it's cold outside, it will raise the temperature so it can lower the windows a little bit so you can hear it. If you're in a convertible, it will warn you. It'll tell you, hey, put the top down so you can hear the engine. Which can you imagine pulling over, putting the top down, then going through, then putting the top back up?

[A]

Ridiculous.

[C]

But what was fascinating to me is that this mode will come into existence for gas cars. That makes sense. They're also allegedly going to offer it for EVs. It'll do a similar thing, give you more EV noise before you get to a tunnel, which I think is ridiculous, but nonetheless. This whole mode is very silly, but I think it is kind of cool. And if they do it, I'd be pretty intrigued.

[B]

It's a fun idea. And in this age of Teslas with the fireplace and Ford pickups with the drawing pad and Mercedes with air hockey in the screen, weird things like this are going to be a thing. And so I'm happy that even the Germans are thinking up ways to be inventive and interesting and odd. That goes beyond just function.

[C]

Yes. I think it's cute and it's fun and it works for the Porsche brands.

[A]

You might call it a quirk.

[B]

You might call it a quirk. As a quirk and feature guy, I love this stuff.

[A]

The thing that they're missing. So whenever I see a tunnel, I do everything you said, but then you gotta yell something before and afterwards. So it's usually fire in the hole. And then you drive through. And then I ask my passenger, did you enjoy the song on my People? Do you guys not do that? Like just. You gotta, like.

[C]

If you ever wanted to know what it's like to ride with Nick in a car. Fire in the hole.

[A]

I do that for cold starts too.

[C]

His neighbors love him.

[B]

Do you actually yell fire in the hole before entering a tunnel?

[A]

I mean, sometimes it's like, hey, watch this.

[B]

Or is it only when you have a passenger? Or is it when you're solo as well?

[A]

If I'm in Wyoming, yeah. Hold my beer. That's legal.

[B]

That is not. I don't. I don't none of them. Mississippi for a long time.

[A]

New Orleans, you can go. They have like drive through slushy places.

[B]

But wait, when you don't have a passenger, do you still do this?

[A]

No, you got it. Especially for the. It's for their benefit.

[B]

You don't have a passenger. Do you still do this?

[A]

I'm sorry, I only heard like three of those words. Occasionally, I mean, I talk to myself. I sing to myself. You guys don't talk to yourself.

[C]

I do, but I don't yell fire in the hole. And then it gets you mentally ready.

[A]

To really enjoy it.

[B]

Yeah, no, I'm sure it does. Okay, move on to the next newsroid, please.

[C]

Oh, Saline, this is one for you. So Celine is coming out with another super car.

[B]

Wait, wait, let's couch that. Celine claims they're coming out with the next right.

[C]

Yes, allegedly. In the future, maybe they've released a concept called they're calling the S11. And this is their supercar they're supposedly going to come out with now at the LeMay Museum in Tacoma, Washington. They actually have a Clay model of this car. But the interesting thing is that they are asking people who go through the museum to have input on the design. So they have a bunch of elements that they think they want to put on the car. They're asking people to choose what they want on the car. So they're kind of crowdsourcing the design for this thing. So if you want to have input on a saline design, you can make a video about this, go to Seattle and have some input on what the design is.

[B]

Celine enthusiast.

[A]

Yeah. And I've got some thoughts.

[C]

And a former owner.

[A]

I love Saleen. I desperately want to buy another one. I miss my XP8. The S7 is like one of my dream cars. Money was no object, which it would need to be for that car. I would add. Absolutely, buy one. The companies had a hard time. They tried to expand and get a deal in China that went really south and almost bankrupt them. They were doing a lot of fundraising where they were hitting up everyone on their email list saying like, hey, invest in the future of Celine and promising them stuff. It's gotten a little sad.

[B]

But don't you think that was kind of always the situation with celine?

[A]

Well, the 90s, they were on top of the world and Tim Allen was racing.

[B]

Do you think they were. Do you know what I mean?

[A]

They were more financially solvent than they are as of late. So you do wonder. I mean they had the S1. Do you remember that concept? More than a concept. It was a race series that they were trying to model.

[B]

Yeah. The S1 sports car in China.

[A]

They never, they never got the budget to make it road legal. But there was maybe a couple dozen.

[B]

I remember the S5s.

[A]

I don't remember that one.

[B]

That was one year I was in Monterey and that was around.

[A]

They started doing Teslas at one point. Chargers. Teslas with the S. Why do people.

[B]

Complain when we say it that way?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Me in particular. Yeah. So I hope they've always had great styling. I love that.

[B]

Is a cool looking car. You want to crowdsource a supercar, make it look like that.

[C]

Very NSX looking.

[A]

I also wonder like if you're so you're walking through your museum and you're giving feedback like is it like a little post note you put in there or is it like the bathroom? Like they have how clean is our bathroom? Like thumbs up, thumbs down.

[C]

Like they have like a bunch of things that you can vote on as a participant. They're going to be like revealing these elements to people who are participating throughout the year. So you have like time to do this.

[A]

I mean, I'm down for a little road trip if y' all want to.

[B]

Go, but I do not.

[A]

I, I, I worry, I hope this happens and I hope that they find their path forward.

[B]

But yeah, the, the simple reality is that creating a supercar, especially in today's environment, takes an enormous amount of effort. Unless you're gonna go ev, in which case it won't succeed.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So you can either create a gas one that's gonna be really hard to do, or you can create an EV which won't succeed. Yeah, those are your choices.

[C]

We do not do this cause it's easy. We do this cause it is hard. So hopefully, hopefully they make a gas.

[B]

You think Steve Salina's saying st. What do you think of Kennedy?

[C]

I'll tell you that.

[B]

What do you think of how this looks?

[A]

That looks fine. I mean, I dig it.

[B]

Oh, that would be his feet. He would take that road trip all the way up to Seattle to the museum.

[A]

Well, thank you. I dig it. These museum people, what are they gonna say? Like they're not like automotive engineers or art students. Well, that's a thing. Like they'll make the rims bigger.

[C]

Pretty big.

[B]

Well, that might be something.

[C]

They say maybe you could give them that input.

[A]

Oh, they're gonna get a bunch of like trolley stuff, like name it Boaty McBoatface. Yeah, you know, like I don't think that's way to, to do this, but we get on to each their own.

[B]

All right, give us our next news story, please.

[C]

Ah, a Jeep outside.

[A]

I know. Well, speaking of fires, dumpster fires and regular Jeep has a recall on 320,004 XE models, which is their plug in hybrids due to a fire risk. And Jeep's official statement is park them outside just in case. Now, there's only been 19 incidents and one injury, so it hasn't liked been majorly harmful. But anytime a plug in EV is being, say don't park it indoors. Remember when that happened during the pandemic.

[B]

With Chevy bolts and bolts.

[A]

So it's as if it weren't bad enough for Stellantis and it weren't bad enough for the 4xe model line in the Grand Cherokee. Now they're saying you can't park them in your garage.

[B]

No recalls happen and don't park outside. Things happen. I mean, hell, who hasn't had to be, who hasn't had the car burn down the house?

[A]

What's worse press do you saying don't park your car inside or come to the Tacoma automotive museum and vote on your way to the bathroom.

[B]

Museum is like the premier automotive museum in the world.

[A]

I've never been to it, but I've heard of the Petersen.

[B]

Maybe aside from the Peterson, those two are like the automotive museums, number one. Number two, crowdsourcing a car from a finely tuned museum clientele is a reasonable way. How do you think the Honda Accord was born?

[A]

They're all going to be like, oh, remember when the deville was out? That was so easy to get in and out of. Raise the ride height, make it a.

[B]

Little cushion kind of museum. It's cool.

[A]

They're gonna ask for like a bench seat in the front.

[C]

Enthusiasts go to the museum. It makes sense that they would reach out to people to.

[B]

It's a little weird, but any recall is a recall.

[C]

It happens.

[B]

There's tons of recalls.

[A]

Tons.

[B]

Every car. The Kia guys. Yesterday I went, I did the.

[A]

I'm just saying Jeep right now has a very bad reputation for the quality, especially in the grand Cherokees. And saying, hey, it's dangerous to park this in your garage is the last thing annor me wants to, you know.

[B]

Well, to this day I wish I had a new grand Cherokee. I bought my sequoia and what I really wanted was the new grand Cherokee L. And the only reason I didn't buy the L, the third row. Okay, the L does have the third row. The only reason I didn't buy the L was because I was worried that it was going to consistently strand me, which I still think is true.

[C]

Not a great thing. With a new car, an old car, the countach can be forgiven.

[B]

But my view is I've come to the conclusion that if it has four doors, it can't strand you. Two doors can strand you. Four doors. It's gotta be reliable. That's my rule now.

[C]

Interesting. In your life or just in the world?

[B]

Just kind of in general. I think people in general are willing to give a bigger, wider berth to a two door car because you're making a decision to be impractical to begin with. But the day you get a four door car, you're looking for practicality. And if that thing strands you, you got a whole lot less pat for your four door car.

[A]

The E60 M5 has entered the chat. Right, right.

[B]

And honestly, I bet you there are a lot of sports cars that are just as unreliable as that car. But it doesn't get as much press because that car is supposed to be transportation, whereas a two door car is supposed to be enjoyment and an experience which Sometimes involves some temperamental behavior.

[C]

I don't disagree with this. Take now. My four door car has only stranded me twice price.

[B]

But every one of my two door cars has stranded me. And none of my four door cars have stranded.

[C]

Well mine. It was eight years at 80,000 miles ago that it last stranded me. But still your point is an interesting one.

[B]

Okay, we got to keep going through news. There's the other Stellantis story. Is is intended to take our minds off the first one.

[A]

Yeah. And Jeep might be having a hard time, but Ram is excited. They're ramming and these. The hope is now that EVs are dead and the internal combustion engine is thriving, they are introducing two new SRT models. One of which sadly will not have the 10 cylinder but will be the revival of the SRT 10. Ram.

[B]

Yeah, there's.

[C]

Damn. I was really hoping it was going to happen.

[B]

It should. V10 is not dead, dude.

[A]

They're not.

[B]

They are dead. There is no way you're ever going to get a V10 pass regulatory ever again. There will never be another V10. The Huracan is gone. John Tamarion replaced by a non.

[C]

That's a V8, isn't it? Is it really the Tomorrow V8?

[B]

Yeah. They got rid of the V10. It's over.

[C]

You didn't know this?

[A]

How did John Temarion sign off on this?

[B]

He's for his namesake vehicle for God's sake.

[A]

But if they take out the V10, it's kind of a insult to the man.

[B]

I think regardless, the big part of this news story that is most appealing to me is it is being reported that both of these new Ram SRT models will debut in the next 90 days. This is like happening.

[A]

Well, I mean you just throw a hellcat in it. It's not that hard. A couple of cold ones. Did you see also there's gonna be a Ram suv. Not a Dodge suv, a Ram brand like a Ram Charger style.

[B]

That makes sense.

[A]

SUV in 2028.

[B]

That makes sense. That makes sense. I think a lot of the Wagoneer clientele would have bought a Ram if it was available. If you know what I'm saying. Let me rephrase. I think a lot of folks on their way to the pool hall in Texas driving their Wagoneer would have also had a Ram. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Well, plus they kind of messed up the Wagoneer. They kind of need like a do over. Yeah.

[B]

And this will be that.

[A]

It's like what did Theranos rebrand as? Like that's kind of. They need that sort of.

[B]

So obviously. No, I don't think Theranos. I think Theranos just.

[A]

Done. They're done.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They're taking the year off to find themselves.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But her husband is now doing stuff.

[B]

It's.

[C]

It's a whole thing.

[B]

The other important thing about this is that the SRT Ram is gonna be a street truck. So the trx, which is already a high performance Ram, is an off roadster.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

But this is gonna be a street truck.

[A]

Imagine pulling up next to a Lobo and just looking down on them being.

[B]

Like, well, you say that we hope. What if they don't do engine stuff?

[A]

They've got to.

[B]

You know, I have a new Ram at my house right now. I don't know if you want to check it out later, but I have a brand new Ram at my house and all I did was move it. The press car people parked it in one spot and it needed to be in another and I simply tried to reverse it and it squealed the tires.

[A]

That's amazing.

[B]

I'm like, oh my God.

[C]

So embarrassing.

[B]

All right, give us our next Ram srt. Very exciting. Give us our next new story.

[A]

Ah, yes, yes.

[C]

Look at this.

[B]

Tell us about the Las Vegas concour.

[A]

The Las Vegas Concord just happened right before sema. Your new story there. Insane turnout. So there was the largest gathering of Veyrons, or Vays for short one sold for a new record of 16.4 for I want to say 2.04 million. But just crazy. Every kind of Veyron you can imagine. There was my favorite, the Reventon. Reventon.

[C]

Reventon.

[A]

Reventon. Yes, the Revton. Every special Lamborghini you can imagine.

[B]

Why didn't we go to this Nick? How come we didn't know about.

[A]

Because it was in Vegas.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. A lot of Vegas together is pretty cool. I gotta say. I still think the VAE is one of the all time coolest cars ever manufactured at any point in the history of the automobile.

[C]

It's also amazing to me this many were functional and able to be there. It's not easy to get these cars around. I mean they're the notoriously difficult to own and service and all these things. But yeah, they're all there.

[A]

Well, it makes sense. So the, the. When I was picking up or dropping my Bentley off two weeks ago, there was a Veyron out front that my guy was working on. It was there. I know. Ed Bullion shipped his Veyron out to Vegas to get worked on before Going there. So it seemed like all the. The owners kind of knew and were working months in advance.

[B]

You know what it's like? It's like a Plymouth Prowler gathering that they do. Yeah, it was somewhere in Indiana every.

[C]

Year, you know, slightly different tax.

[B]

Slightly different. Yeah, a little. Things were a little different, but it's sort of like that. You bring your Prowler trailer, you bring your Veyron.

[C]

You know, it does almost look like an error, like on a GTA server.

[A]

That's so bad.

[B]

One drawback of this, and one big reason not to attend was the Lamborghini Veneno was there, which is, of course, the ugliest car ever made.

[C]

No, it's.

[A]

No disagreed.

[B]

The Veneno you don't think is the experiment? Pull up a picture of the car.

[A]

It's polarizing, I'll give you that. I don't think it's the ugliest.

[B]

Well, the poles are ugliest carver made and. And then no one is in the other world except Treadman.

[A]

Long, swoopy. I kind of like the front.

[C]

The red one is really.

[B]

Scroll down. There's some really bad photos of it.

[A]

Out in the world. Those are crazy.

[B]

Oh, dude, it's so bad. And the wheels are so, like, laughable.

[A]

I mean, that one looks a little too Dubai spec, but it's like you're.

[B]

Making fun of your customers. No, it really looks like that to me.

[A]

Yeah, it does.

[B]

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[C]

Oh, the Twingo.

[B]

Nick, what do you got about this?

[A]

You know, I didn't really read this article closely. However it got debuted, I just think it's really cute. It would be a great Multiple replacement in 25 years. If EVs are gonna succeed, something like this could work as just like a commuter car. Our basic get around town, the Twingo.

[B]

So it's hard to really overstate the impact the Twingo had. I don't know. In the early 90s, you still go to Europe and you still see them everywhere. They are still beloved in Europe. Never really got that much love in the United States, but they are still beloved in Europe. Europeans still talk about the original 90s twingo as like almost like the Volkswagen beetle of the 90s. And this car, this is an electric concept car, really does kind of carry on the look as sort of like an EV City car. It would make sense for Renault to bring back the beloved Twingo.

[C]

Of course, it won't be offered here, I don't suspect, but.

[B]

Nah, we don't want that French stuff.

[A]

It's funny, now that I have a multiply, everyone sends me articles about the Aventine and how it'll be legal in like a year and all that.

[B]

It is, but do you agree?

[A]

Pretty cool.

[B]

Should we move on to the talk car segment for this topic?

[C]

Yes, we can move on.

[B]

The talk car segment is. Is that the one sponsored?

[C]

That's sponsored segment? Yes.

[B]

Loading. Nick, get up on the table like a. I don't want to break anything.

[C]

These are.

[A]

Oh no, I'm leg crap. Why is it every time we are.

[B]

Sponsored price tag on them? The talk car segment. The talk car segment is sponsored by Piloti who makes shoes. And I gotta tell you something, we got a lot of stuff we say, we don't say. I don't know, I don't know the rules, but someone gave me a pair of these shoes. I think it was Peelotte themselves. And anyway, we did a drive this week and I wore the shoes and they are fantastic. I love them. They're really good on your like perfect size on your feet. They have this roll control heel so you can like swivel it to make downshifting easier.

[C]

Year did you find it like, I mean, because I love the shoe for your cars. It's hard to find shoes that are narrow enough to fit in most of the pedal boxes. The Countach in particular.

[B]

I haven't tried them in the Countach yet. Although I don't really consider that to be a driver's car where you'd wear a driver's shoe. But we took the Carrera GT out. Loved the shoe. Absolutely loved the shoe. And it looks good. Nick, show us again.

[C]

Cramp up one more time.

[B]

Bring it out here.

[A]

There you go. These ones, these are my dress pollos. And then I have a casual pie. I was, I. I got a picture of I. We stopped on our drive and I did the Captain Morgan's thing with my foot on the top of the windshield. I was pretty proud of that.

[C]

So it was a crazy thing.

[B]

I'm going to be honest. I had never heard of P. LO until they started sponsoring this podcast. I don't know if this is one of those where we're like, oh, we've been using them for years. But either way, I hadn't heard of them until they gave us some shoes. I tried them and I thought they were really, really excellent. So that's my actual honest take anyway. Visit peloti.com use the code CARS and bids for 15% off. Here's an actual sponsor that we like and enjoy and use and want to experience. But now we have to talk about the talk cars segment and specifically, let's just start with the multipla and like, let's get it out of the way let's just get out of the way.

[A]

There's not a lot to say there.

[B]

That's. And that's the problem.

[A]

You borrowed it.

[B]

I borrowed the multipla. My Courier GT broke down. That's one of the other topics. But when that happened, I borrowed the Multipla. And.

[C]

Yeah, that's the thing with the A class and the A2 and the multiple. They all look really good, cool, but they're very pedestrian, normal, boring.

[B]

When I brought up class, within an hour of driving it, I realized I had made a mistake. Namely that I dropped $16,000 into it because it was horribly boring. And when the A2 multiple thing happened, I specifically told everybody at Cars and Bids, I'm not doing it. I'm not putting up my money. I'm not storing it at my house. I want nothing to do with this car. They bought it anyway. You bought the multiply and quickly. We have all discovered.

[A]

Yeah, they wear out fast. They're not a very dynamic car. It's slow. I mean, I still find it very useful and practical. Like, I use it as a means to get from point A to point B. And it is nice that a lot of people have fun reactions to it. At least the multiple looks weird, so that gives you some enjoyment of, like, hey, I'm driving a literal clown car. Yeah. But just driving it, it's a little boring.

[B]

It's a little boring. And I think that's kind of the reality. And that's what I learned with the A class. Why I'll never do this again is cool.

[A]

The.

[B]

The thing you don't want, and this was true of my Rs2. You don't want a car that looks cool but isn't really.

[C]

Interesting.

[B]

You want a car that looks cool and is cool. Because if the looks are the only cool thing about it, you know, this is also some relationship advice.

[A]

Although I was thinking that.

[B]

I'm sure you were. If. If looks are the only thing, it's not enough. Yep.

[A]

It's what's on the inside that counts.

[C]

It's both.

[B]

Like, I want a car that looks cool and drives well. Okay. I want a car that looks cool and drives well. But like those little Euro hatchbacks, which we've now experienced, the Big Three and the Aventeam, which you brought up, I.

[A]

Suspect it's going to fall into that category, don't you think?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, for sure, for sure.

[C]

Great greenhouse, a lot of glass. It's a people transporter. Like, it's not built for driving.

[B]

Most powerful motor was a 3L V6 with up to 210 horses.

[C]

2.

[B]

But remember, it's minivan. It's a minivan coupe.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I just think, like, people are going to bring this in. Like, we brought in our stuff, and they're going to be, oh, this is so cool. And. And. But, like, deep down inside, they're going to know.

[A]

I think it's like your escargot. It would be great to promote a business because it attracts a lot of eyeballs. If you did, like, pizza delivery or something super fuel efficient. If you truly just needed, like, a reliable point A to point B, it is a diesel, and it gets great fuel economy. There are use cases for it. But if you're like, hey, I want to go for a nice drive, like, it's probably not the keys you'd want to pick up.

[B]

Yeah, there are use cases for it.

[A]

And as a $13,000 car. Okay, that changes it a little bit. Like, you have to compare it to that price point.

[B]

You do. I will say you're adding some complications, like parts finding and that kind of thing, which you wouldn't have to if you just bought a Sentra, you know? And I just. I will not be importing an Aventine. I did this. I did the A class. We all got together and did these. I'm out. You want to do an Aventine, you do it. I promise you, it ain't worth it.

[A]

There are worse uses of 13 grand. Like, you could buy an IPO of Celine for 13 grand and not get.

[B]

There are worse uses, like driving around in the multiplayer. It's like kind of a fun little point A to point B. Yeah. It's just not actually fun.

[C]

Right.

[B]

So.

[C]

Well, okay, so what's the deal? Are you done with this? No.

[A]

Well, we're gonna do an adventure series. I'm told that'll be fun. So we'll film that and then it's over. I am actively shopping for its replacement already. Sadly, the R63, which we can say for talk cars, somewhat significantly exceeded my budget. So I did not.

[B]

That was an astonishing. Pull that up. Let's pull it out.

[A]

I wasn't able to.

[B]

Last week on the Nick went in this big thing about how he wanted an R6.

[A]

I know. I hyped it.

[B]

Yeah. To match his SLR. So we had this one on the site. It sold for $64,500, which was. I mean, short of when they were brand new and slightly depreciated. This was a record. Right. Like, yeah. Bring the trailer. Hasn't had anything like this.

[A]

Bring the Trailer never has.

[B]

That's what we called it.

[C]

I came up with that the other day. We're sticking with it.

[B]

So 64,500. So now we worry that the R63 is kind of gone.

[A]

Well, this one was an outlier in that it was low mileage, but that's.

[B]

What you would want.

[A]

It's what you want. But I would say there will be gettable ones for less than this, because this is the nicest one that's transacted in a.

[B]

Let's try to learn a lesson here. Let's try to learn a lesson from the Bentley, right? Let's try to get a nice one.

[A]

It's not a one or a zero. There's a whole scale and spectrum here. So I don't want a zero. I don't need the 1.0. Like, I'm good with like a 0.4 to 0.6.

[B]

Where would you count the Bentley on this scale?

[A]

It was like a 0.2 and I think I've gone through like a 0.5.

[B]

I think you've got it from a point two to a point three.

[A]

The problem is David Nutley, who's working on it now, worked on them new and he said, oh, yeah. When they were Brand New In 2002, we had all sorts of issues with it. Like, factory fracture.

[C]

Nick, we knew the. This. Everybody knew this.

[B]

He's pissed, dude.

[C]

I can't believe he's like. He's like, surprised. Go back and watch the reaction.

[B]

Rubbing it in. We deserve to rub it in. We get that benefit now. Yeah.

[C]

Because you're like, oh, it's not that bad.

[A]

It's great.

[C]

I love this car. And now here we are. He came home to roost. Like the.

[A]

So the multipla, I think might get replaced. I'm now a Mercedes guy. We're Ben's boys together.

[B]

What do you mean, we? I mean, I got a G wagon. Filippo's got an E class station wagon. I got an E class station wagon also.

[A]

I'm even in the historics now.

[B]

It is ironic that people have always accused me of being a Porsche guy when I've had like 38. I can't stop buying Mercedes Benz. And now look at us. We're a Mercedes Benz group. We've all got Mercedes Benz. Yeah.

[A]

So an R63 feels to me like a good multiply. Like it has a third row. So it's very practical. It's got a ton of power. I could maybe manual swap this because I'm not sure I'm going to do the SLR manual swap anymore.

[B]

So what do you mean you're not sure? You were never going to do it. You just typed that up for your YouTube channel so you could get more followers than Johnny Lieberman.

[A]

I have wasted a lot of time of various shops. It's. I'm still somewhat interested. I just don't. I don't hate the auto as much. Then I'm talking to DC Motorworks, Ed Bullions, guys about maybe doing a TCU tune on the SLR as sort of a stopgap.

[B]

Let it be.

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Kevin and I, we mod things. All right.

[B]

I want to talk about the gt, which broke down.

[A]

You got a TCU tune, don't you?

[C]

No. No, I don't believe so.

[B]

He didn't need it.

[C]

I don't need it because I just.

[A]

Just the lowering module, when you get.

[C]

To my level of torque, you stand, you just kind of point it in a straight line. You breathe on the throne, you let it go.

[A]

Okay. All right. I regret this entire podcast.

[B]

Oh, man. The dude spent 110 of what you.

[C]

Spent and he can do this forever. Yeah, I mean, it's. It is what it is.

[B]

I remember when the SLR was around, and then it was during the SLR's run that they came out with the SL65. And I remember as a kid thinking, I don't understand. Understand like the SL65 is now. It's got the same power and it's a V12. It doesn't make any sense. And it makes even a little less sense now that the price differential. It used to be like this and now it's like this.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, like that. More like. But it's about how it is about how they drive ice. It's been a long time since I've driven an slr. But they will be very different, I suspect. We'll see. We'll do a comparison, you and I.

[A]

They better be different. I'm going to be real.

[B]

I drove the slr. It is a pretty well put together thing, despite what all the Internet nut swingers say. Okay.

[A]

Swinging them.

[B]

Okay, I want to talk about the courage breakdown. He broke down over the weekend. The Countach broke down two weeks ago. And then on a Saturday. And I missed a child's birthday party. Not my own, but a child because I was waiting for the toe and dealing with all that. And then the courier GT broke down this week. And I guess I'll do a video about it. I don't know. It's getting fixed right now. It's nothing major. But I am. Instead of getting in depth about what happened, I will say I am reminded about why I was off cars.

[C]

Yes, look. But the inconveniences are minor. Those cars have been very solid in your ownership period, except for these two little things. They're old cars. It does happen. But here's the thing. But this is what will happen. You'll give it a little bit of time. You'll come back to it and be like, this is the greatest thing I've ever done.

[B]

Yeah, it is. And I still think the Courrero GT is the greatest car ever made. I truly believe. Believe that. Especially because I got to drive it back to back with the slr. And when you do that.

[C]

Hate you.

[A]

Both, but deep regret.

[B]

But I am reminded about, you know, I am, you know, kind of an obsessive way. I like trying to make sure I spend every possible second I can with my family, my children, and losing what ended up being three hours on one Saturday and another three hours on another Saturday. Not really what I'm looking for. And it haven't touched one of the sports cars since the Countach is back. Haven't driven it. Ford GT has been just sitting. Career gt, when it comes back, will be sitting.

[A]

Maybe here you think, why this? This is why so many people get all the cars that they've always dreamed of and then they just sit and rot. They just can't be inconvenienced to be.

[B]

Because when you have a fleet of 20, it's even that much harder.

[A]

It's every weekend.

[B]

And because. Yeah, and because I think the cars do break your heart. They do break down. They do this and that, and you don't want to be a part of it. And so you're like, I want to have it, but I don't necessarily. To be around that. So I just park it. And then eventually these collections kind of thin out and everybody's like, why is he selling his car? Well, because he doesn't want to. He's. He's old. He doesn't want to deal with this BS anymore.

[C]

It is funny because, like, in order to have the cars, you do have to be older in age to afford them, usually. And that coincides with a season of life that means you're much busier with kids. So, like, the dream of when you're young versus the reality, the boys, was it the clothes of the boy don't fit the man.

[B]

It would have been fun. You know, when you're 23, you, like, need a headache like you just should. You in your life, you, like, need a headache. Like, you should go buy a Facebook marketplace bad whatever bug isti. Learn cars that way.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And. And break down a couple times and have to go on a flatbed or learn to fix it or whatever. Like, that's how I. You know, that's how I did it when I was that age. When you're 37 and you've paid quite a bit of money for some of these cars, I get that that happens and whatever. But twice in two weeks was a tough hit. And I for years was been like, I'm off cars. I'm off cars. And you guys made fun of me. And now I'm reminded why it's not even about these cars. It's why I don't want to add more. Because another car is another set of tires to keep track of another battery, another oil change. Yeah, maybe. You know what I should do? I should get a 993 twin turbo and sell all the other cars.

[C]

No, you're not going to do it. What you're going to do is buy an old Porsche and add that to your list of headaches.

[A]

I would say, you know, the ancient school of stoicism would say to reframe every obstacle as an opportunity. So every time the Bentley breaks down, I say, great. Free car storage. And it sits at a mechanic for a couple weeks. I don't have to worry about where I'm gonna park it.

[B]

It is nice.

[A]

It can't break down again when it's already at the mechanic, so it doesn't get worse.

[B]

The sad part about that is the car that I wish was out of my garage the most, it would be the G wagon. Cause then I can bring the Countach down. Because the Countach only fits above the G Wagon ess. But the Jeeves never broken, so I never get to see the Countach. It's always just up. Like, I see the outline of the bumper, which is sad.

[A]

It's a shame we don't have a car wizard or, like, Jay Leno's guy. We just. We need our own mechanic. That's.

[B]

That would be nice.

[A]

Can you fit that on your payroll here?

[B]

No.

[C]

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[B]

Dude I want to Talk About Speaking of the career GT Breaking down the day after the I was completely off cars and yet nonetheless I decided to attend a party about cars. Nick, take it away. I hope we have photos of this party.

[A]

We do. Including the cake that my wife spent like a week obsessing over every detail. So I was my birthday was two weeks ago now and then the car also came around that time and so we decided to have an SLR party. But it was also a bit of a belated birthday party.

[B]

You know, that's not how it was pitch to me.

[A]

But anyway, we called it an SLR party, but it felt indulgent just to celebrate the car. So we we called it both in my head. Yeah, but we had SLR trivia of which y' all did pretty well. Yeah, we had an SLR kick. The SLR was parked prominently.

[B]

One of the trivia questions was what's the top speed of the SLR? And I raised my hand and guessed 208 miles an hour and I was told I was wrong. Someone else raised his hand and guessed 207 miles an hour and that person was.

[A]

Well, we said it was price is right rule. Sorry, that was very clear up front.

[B]

We had like been looking at it the previous day online.

[A]

I do think, despite how degenerate this car group is, having a party each time someone gets a new car is kind of a fun little tradition.

[B]

I'm not doing that. Yeah, there's too many cars.

[A]

We can scale it up. Like, if you get a multiplier, we're all going to meet at an In N Out burger. And if you get a nice car, we can go to, like, Ruth's Chris or something.

[B]

You know, one thing we did, this SLR party. Everyone came. It was the talk of San Diego County. We all drove to Nick's cold a sack, and we filled it up with cars. We filled it up with. It was hard to. To dodge all the driveways, but we filled it up with cars. All of us did. And I brought this. This. The second most powerful Mercedes Benz. My E450 all terrain.

[C]

Yes. I. I did not bring my Mercedes Benz. So I didn't have the title. The title of the most powerful. I took my M5 instead. I had other things.

[B]

Children came. There were. It was great. There were kids, crafts.

[A]

For some reason, it was a highlight of the year for me. All of my friends and their families together celebrating the slr. I mean, you can't.

[B]

I will say I was walking out of the party, and I realized I hadn't actually seen the SLR at any point during the party.

[C]

Nope. It was in, you know, the garage.

[B]

It was a backyard party. Yeah. Very, very sweet party brought to us by Nick's wife, who I don't think we're allowed to name, but whoever she.

[A]

Is, she watches the pot. She watch the p. Is really fun. And. And, like, it's really easy to go into the trope of, like, making fun of your wife or people that don't get the car hobby. But, like, it was, like, above anything. Like, her gesture of, I'm throwing you a party. Like, I'm that supportive of your car hobby and. And the fact that you are degenerative.

[B]

That is so true.

[A]

It was sweet.

[B]

So many of these guys I meet, my wife would never let me.

[A]

The old ball and chain.

[B]

The old ball and chain. Boomer humor, you know? But Nick over here not only does it. His wife support it, she threw him a party with a cake that I'm sure we've shown.

[A]

She actually loves the SLR, too, because it's more usable than the Mercy. And we got, like, a functioning roof and the heat works better. Like the quality she looks for in a car. The SLR does have to be slightly better than the Mercy. So All I need left on her is to get her to yell fire in the hole every time we go through a tunnel.

[B]

Okay?

[C]

She's a patient woman.

[B]

We gotta move on to the market report, which is brought to you. It's supposed to be brought to you by Cars and Bids, but the market report is actually brought to you by the 993 Twin Turbo. A USA 993 Twin Turbo in arena red. Folks, stop sending me Euros. Stop sending me. Someone the other day sent me one that was bone stock. And the pictures.

[C]

Did it have an aftermarket headlight solution?

[B]

It's. It's. If you're in. If you think like Nick. Like how Nick would have thought of bone stock back in the day when he modded that ttr.

[C]

It's only wheels and exhaust alone. OEM aftermarket shift, Bone stock, different steering wheel, seat, Race point.

[B]

This is how. This is how the Supra community is. I want a Mark Ford turbo also. And I look at the Supra community and people like bone stock. And you look at the list of mods on a bone stock car. But relative to what some people do in the community, that is bone stock.

[A]

You know.

[B]

That'S like how it's viewed, right?

[A]

It's like how my Mormon friends and colleagues drink bang Energy drinks because they can't have coffee. You know, it's like. Okay, it's a loophole.

[B]

I don't think that that's.

[A]

That's how it works.

[B]

I don't think that's.

[C]

That's not the point here. I don't think that's.

[A]

The OEM Mods don't count as mods. Huh? It's the same. It's like bang. Energy drink to your coffee.

[B]

Okay? But anyway, the Marketport is brought to you by the 993 Twin Turbo. For all of our friends out there, including Nick's friends in the Mormon community, find me a 993 twin turbo USA car. Okay, the first thing I want to talk about. We already discussed the R63. Can we talk about the Aztec? Pull up the Aztec.

[A]

Oh, yeah. This is on my list, too.

[B]

I almost featured this. I probably should.

[A]

Yeah. Why would you.

[B]

But now we're talking about it.

[C]

I can fix that.

[A]

Can you feature it now?

[B]

Folks, there is an Aztek on the site. Aztek is a meme car. We know it. A meme car.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

There is an Aztec on the site. How many miles? Five.

[C]

Yeah, I think that's right.

[B]

It's got 5,300, 5,201 owner miles 52 the Aztec is a meme car. But if you ever wanted to spend a lot of money on a meme car.

[A]

Speaking of the multipla experience. Here you go.

[B]

This is unbelievable.

[C]

It's so nice.

[A]

And I, I, I know you probably prefer the body cladding one vastly. I strongly prefer paymatched.

[B]

To be clear, the paint matched ones were way more more attractive.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But the, the part of the fun of the Aztec is it's heinous.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

The cladding which 01 was 01 only the cladding. The cladding ones fit the profile more.

[A]

You know I've always wanted one of these after the car bros which I can't find anymore. But he brought a fake Enzo to the Quail. Right. I wanted to do this and make it a Urus. So put the Lambo wheels and Lambo badges. But the yellow especially the the paint match lowers.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Really looks like an Urus.

[B]

It looks a lot like like an Urus. No matter what people. I love the Urus. Yeah. Well it's a Pontiac Aztec.

[A]

So do what you want with the right wheels and like some you could really vinyl wrap.

[B]

If you were willing to spend money on some good reps. You could like. Yeah get close. Go back to the Aztec.

[A]

Wouldn't that be incredible?

[B]

I want to see the interior of this Aztec. Have you look thoroughly looked at this listing.

[A]

Not, not on the inside.

[B]

The interior is wild. I've spent some time in Aztecs over the years I'm sure and no GM interior aged this well. They've even got the cooler which by the way is my actual beach cooler that I use to this day on. They've got it in the car.

[A]

Doug is kind of guy.

[B]

I can't believe how nice this is. There's. I don't know if there's anyone really willing to.

[A]

Oh wait.

[B]

Go back to the cooler. What is this?

[C]

I think that's just the protection that they put on top of that on mine. Well, you don't care as much about it.

[B]

Nobody, nobody is willing to spend this kind of money on a meme car. But God, if you were ever going to. This is the best tr. I feel comfortable in saying this is the nicest Aztec in the world.

[A]

It's got to be.

[B]

It isn't like one of those. Like there's a billion Camrys. So there's probably one nicer. They only made a few of these. Nobody saved them.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You think the Lane Motor Museum is going to bid on this one? Because they should. This the it belongs in a museum.

[A]

No the. The place in Tacoma.

[B]

Lame.

[A]

Lame.

[B]

Okay, Kenan, tell us about the 512tr.

[C]

Yes. So we recently. I love the 512tr. These cars have been on a run recently. They. I think people are realizing how much nicer they are than the standard Testarossa. But this further underscores that point. This car had a ton of miles on it. We talked about it briefly last week, I believe 74,400 and it sold for 195. It feels like a big number for a car with that kind of miles. It's also a euro, which they're just worth less than the US cars, generally speaking because can't register in California, all those things. But nonetheless, I mean, this car sold for serious money.

[B]

As a person who's been talking up Countach and talking down Testarossa for many years, it has been interesting for me to watch the 512tr and that 512m completely break away from the Testos Rosa. The market does not view this car as relevant to the Testarossa market.

[C]

It isn't. They're very dramatically different cars. It drives so much better.

[B]

You know, I drove one a while ago. It's different.

[C]

It's better.

[B]

I don't know that it's 3x different.

[C]

But also, don't forget, like we start to talk about production numbers, like the Testaros, they made a ton of 512t.

[B]

It also looks way better.

[C]

Way better.

[B]

Including the F512M which looks the best.

[C]

Well, there's a. There's an incorrect take, but the. I was talking to our friend Edison today about this. The F512M is a perfect example of what a company does when they have no clue what to do. They could not move on to the next thing yet, like the 550 and they just were like one last thing. So they just threw the book at it. That's what happens when you crowdsource styling. You end up with an F512TI.

[B]

A great list of cars would be cars that got facelifted at the very end of their production run in order to fit them in with the rest of the model line. And so there was only like a year or two of the facelift. And the F512M has won the 0304 Disco. The Land Rover Discovery, they facelift to the very end to match the Range Rover. Even though it was the very end. Yeah, I mean, the smile on the front end and the wheels, still the greatest OE wheels of all time.

[C]

They are good looking. There are elements of the car that are cool but in its totality, goodness.

[B]

Regardless, great 512tr number and further proof that the market really believes the 512tR is a very special car. The Testarossa is a desirable car. It's cool, but it's never really blown up in value ever. And I don't know that ever will.

[A]

This is maybe. May I also posit that it's further proof that driving your cars isn't as expensive in terms of the hit you'll take on resale as you might think.

[B]

True.

[A]

This is a lot of miles.

[B]

When the Porsche dealer calls and says that you need a new starter motor and it's going to be seven grand. Right.

[A]

That's the expense, that's how much the.

[C]

World of engine out Ferrari service. Seven grand is a layup.

[B]

Yeah, that's exactly right. I wonder how many engine outs this car has had.

[C]

I've really thought about that and you have to imagine it's at least, least 15 if it's done correctly. It's probably in Europe though.

[B]

They do it less. That's like a thing on Ferrari chat, like the Europeans like do it less and don't even think it has to be done as much and drive the cars more. This is a euro. I wouldn't be surprised. It hasn't been out 15 times. But it's been out.

[C]

It's been out probably 10. I would. I would not be surprised.

[B]

Yeah, I mean how old's the car.

[C]

To 92, 93 and 74,000 miles. You're supposed to do every 5,000 miles. So yeah, if it's unprofitable, it should be around that number.

[B]

Yeah, I bet it's been out 6.

[C]

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[B]

I want to talk about Edison's Boxster. We got a 986. It's not live yet, but it'll be live when this goes up. We got a986 Boxster S live right now. Great car. That particular car is a 986 Boxster. It is a used car that has a couple of foibles. But you know, I was driving that car and I, I was just reminded by what a great value these cars are.

[C]

Yeah, they are. Yeah. I'm still not opposed to the idea of having one at some point just to like mess around with for a little bit.

[B]

It's a toss around car and I actually kind of. The S's are great and this, the one that I reviewed is going to sell well, but the base for eight grand, you know you're, you could really just kind of toss around that car to the point where you destroy it and the parts are probably get you back the money. You know you can just really beat on this thing and rag on it and they were kind of designed for that. I just find these cars to be tremendously fun for, for the money. Really, really fun cars.

[C]

I agree. I think in a lot of, I mean any Miatas have come back down in value but for a time the like these were less expensive than any and you're driving around in a Porsche. Admittedly it's a boxer, but still like.

[B]

It'S 10 if you got 10 and you end up with a Z4, a Z3. You know, instead of this. You're making a mistake.

[C]

If you're young and you want to. Not if you want to be like what Doug said. Buy an interesting sports car while you're.

[B]

Young and have a headache.

[C]

And have a headache. But I don't really even think that bad of one.

[B]

No, but you'll learn how to car and what cars things cost and all.

[C]

That stuff will break it' German car. You're going to learn. But this is a good place to start.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

Look at that. That one looks so good. There's a lot of.

[A]

And there's some cool specs.

[C]

That does look nice. I like it. We sold that yellow one recently. I really think it. Well, not that one, but I'm over.

[B]

The euro side marker.

[C]

I agree. Keep it on, save the dot.

[A]

I'm over it.

[B]

Nah, I'm over it.

[C]

Oh, look at red. I think it looks nice.

[B]

Look at my euro side marker. Okay, we gotta move on to questions. Questions, questions, questions, questions. Questions which are brought to you by P. Piloti. Piloti doesn't actually sponsor the question segment, but we love Piloti enough that they are sponsoring the question segment today.

[C]

Shoes come in pairs and there are two. So this is the second segment. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Hang on one sec. Hang on one sec. Hang on one sec. I'm getting a telephone call. It's spam. Okay, ready? Okay. Questions are brought to you by Peloti or Kenan or Nick. Nick's YouTube channel.

[C]

Or the SL65.

[B]

You can ask us. Yeah, the SL65 brings us the earth rotation.

[C]

It does if I'm not careful.

[B]

You too can ask us a question. And you should. The questions were great this week. We can't even get to all them. They're great. But you too can ask us a question. Go to carsandbids.com, click on the community tab and there's a post there in this car pod community where you can ask a question and we will read your question on the air. If it's good. A lot of good ones this week, starting with some aimed at Kenan Liberty asks. In the first episode of 25, Kennan made the New Year's resolution to spend no more than $2,000 on his E39M5. At the end of April, we got an update where he said he had spent $837 on that. On the M5. In that episode, Ken also states that his resolution was to spend no more than $2,500. So we snuck in an extra 500.

[A]

It sounds like Emily has a new screen now.

[B]

Since then we've had no update. Kenan, it's November. How much have you spent on the E39 and 25 so far?

[C]

I think at 1347.

[B]

What was the other thing that beyond the 837.

[C]

I did an oil change. It went back up for a. I have this weird issue with the AC where it like when it's on it makes this like whirring sound. But we, we can't figure out what it is. We replaced the belts and tensioners a couple times and still getting it. And I've done the compressor in the past like recently so it's not that. So we're still trying to figure out. I did a couple little minor things. I bought bushings for the. The power steering rest reservoir. A couple little things. I mean really little things. But generally speaking, car has been rock solid. Has not needed anything as I predicted. I'm confident that.

[A]

Don't tell Joseph Smith this but his bang energy drink is that he got a gift card for service from all of his friends for his birthday and used that gift card. So that was another $800 you gotta add.

[B]

Is that true?

[A]

It's true. I, I check. You and I both checked in for.

[B]

This gift card for the tin and windows. It was like a zillion dollars and I had to spend like most it.

[A]

Yeah, no, I, I match you dollar for dollar but thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

The rest of them.

[A]

The rest of the rest cheaped out.

[C]

Admittedly I, I did use that but then I also then spent more money with Kevin so I. Wait a minute.

[B]

So what the Kevin money. Add that in.

[C]

Yeah, it was a. I don't remember what it was.

[B]

We need a real update. I'll tally that next week with an update. You don't have to include the gift card. Cuz I have a suspicion you wouldn't have done that if we hadn't given you the gift card right away.

[C]

Correct.

[B]

So that doesn't really count.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm not even going to mention the Joseph Smith reference. We're going to move on. You like that?

[A]

You like that?

[B]

Yeah. But there are going to be some angry people in.

[C]

I'll come with an update but I honestly feel like it's. I'm, I'm right there. I'm. I'm doing well so far.

[B]

That happens right up until your starter motor fails.

[C]

Luckily I replaced that already. Hit me with another. What do you think I've replaced?

[B]

That happens right up until your distributor fails.

[C]

Doesn't have a distributor.

[A]

You can.

[B]

You get my point? You get the point I'm making. I thought I was. Okay, I'll tell you this, Kenan. I have a New Year's resolution. It's still 25. I got a New Year's resolution. None of my big three get into the shop in 26. None in all at 26. The Countach, the Ford GT and the Courrero GT. None of them go to the shop in 26.

[C]

You put money on that?

[B]

No, absolutely not. But that's my goal. That's my dream.

[C]

It's good to have a goal. It's a good day.

[B]

The Carrera GT and the Countach will have just had a big service at the end of 25. I'm going to stretch them until 26. And the Ford GT, I'm happy. A goal that it doesn't go back in the shop until next fall. Two years from now.

[A]

Unlikely.

[C]

Unlikely.

[B]

Ford gt.

[A]

The Ford GT will be two years.

[B]

Between the last service. It is. It does.

[A]

You're going to get smog next year.

[B]

For the Ford gt and the Carrera GT need smog next year.

[A]

But Ford GT is going back to the shop.

[B]

Well, no, the shop doesn't need to smog the Ford. What do you mean? We just smog it. It's a complete California complaint.

[A]

Some of us drive oe cars. Some have modded cars. Maybe you have some mods that need removed.

[B]

The smog shop doesn't count. The smog shop doesn't count.

[C]

My car pass smog. Not a single. Both my cars pass smog. No problem.

[B]

Okay, next question. This is a good one from AJ Nichols. 6. Go to the CarPod questions autonation illustration on Instagram. You saw this?

[A]

Yeah. They were cool.

[B]

Scroll down. Made some stickers for the crew.

[A]

Oh, yes, yes, yes.

[B]

These. Which one is your.

[A]

Your favorite?

[C]

I love that one. That is. That is.

[B]

Did you see these?

[C]

I did, yes. You tagged me on Instagram.

[B]

Surprisingly good, Felipo.

[C]

It's. It is a surprisingly good Filippo that. I mean, the crazy neck does capture you with the SLR shirt and everything. Although that one's a coupe, not a convertible.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

And. Yeah, that one. That's. That's a. That's your car.

[B]

Oh, wow. I have a blue check.

[A]

Yeah, I know.

[C]

Blue check that. Yeah, he did give you.

[A]

Blue checks are expensive. You look into that stuff.

[B]

No, I got my.

[A]

You got to pay for it. It's like. It's not cheap.

[B]

These are great. Which is your favorite, I think, Filippo? The Filipo really captures the essence of Filippo.

[C]

He's too happy.

[B]

That's true. I've never seen.

[C]

Related to cars. He cannot be that happy. Yeah, I think they a bicycle. Yes.

[B]

Plus he would never open his arms like that with a smile too.

[C]

Like he'd have a phone in one hand and slack would be on it and he'd be checking like you're close. Really, really close.

[B]

He'd be, yeah.

[A]

So that one's, that's, that one's good.

[C]

I am that happy every time I'm around that car.

[B]

Oh, you know, oh, how sweet.

[C]

I love that car. But the crazy Nicklin, I can't believe.

[B]

He tried to slip that Kevin service under our noses.

[C]

Well, I agree with you. I don't think that counts. Like you. Well, I wouldn't, I would just wait until next year.

[B]

I'm calling Kevin right at the end of this podcast. Okay, next question from Imperial Southampton. This is a great question and I'm curious to get your guys takes, but I have the answer sort of question for Doug. What cars offer a similar X factor and rawness like your Countach for people who don't have Countach money? Oh, let's assume a budget of 30 grand. I want to love a car like you love your Countach. I don't know about 30 grand, but I will tell you a car that I think provides the exact same level of rawness and excitement is a Lotus Esprit.

[A]

Oh, I think this is not what I expected.

[B]

I think that this car with the V8, now there was a time when they were 30 grand and it wasn't that long ago, but they've gotten expensive. And the V8 Twin Turbos, which is specifically what I'm talking about, are now maybe six sixty to eighty. I nonetheless feel that this car is one of the great bargains in the automotive world today. It still has the wedge. It is still wide and low and flat. The sound is immense behind you. It is incredibly analog, incredibly raw, even though it was made through like 2003. And it is just so damn cool. And it's expensive. But to be clear. But it's not. It's not Countach expensive.

[C]

No, it's not crazy and of. I mean it will be expensive to take care of of course, but like.

[B]

That is a probably but so is.

[C]

The K. But exoticness to dollar ratio is very high and I still feel.

[B]

That way about the Esprit. I reviewed an Esprit right when we launched cars and bids that sold on the site probably four or five years ago and it Was that one. It was that dark red one there for 70,500. And in that video, I made the point that these are kind of bargains for what they are. And they've gotten more expensive since then. I still feel like they're complete bargains for what they are. This car, when you see one of these on the road, pictures don't really even do it justice. You have to see how low and wide and flat it is. It looks like a Countach. It is a serious car.

[C]

It is eye catching. I don't even recall the last time I saw one on the road. But when I see that V8 badge, that highly stylized V8, and I'll tell you.

[B]

Have you ever driven one?

[C]

No.

[A]

No.

[B]

It is raucous. The interior, interior is raucous. It is loud and it's like the Countach. Even though actually it's a lot newer. Honestly, it's probably easier to own, but it has its own challenges. But it is fun. It is loud and fast and cool.

[C]

I would posit when I think of like the alternative to the Countach, the Pantera is the one that comes to mind. Now granted, these cars also, again, like you said, not in the $30,000 range, but they are crazy crazily styled. The rear of the car is just so cool. It's from the similar era as the early Countaches. There's a lot of compromise in terms of the interior, much like, like a Countach. It's not as nice to drive as the Countach, but you get a lot of that crazy vintage, exotic.

[B]

When we had this Pantera in the office and I was pretty impressed with just how exotic and cool it looks. So many people have modded and screwed up Panteras over the years. A really clean, just like nice, simple Pantera is a nice, nice looking wedge car that does kind of give you the Countach, like ideal to it.

[C]

I agree. And even Pantera themselves kind of screwed up the design with the way it was. The GT5.

[B]

The GT5, I will say, which I.

[C]

Think is still kind of cool.

[B]

One thing that is missing from this car, that isn't from the, from the Esprit. It doesn't have the loud like kind of rawness to it driving it. The motor is a little bit smoother than I was expecting that would be.

[C]

You put some headers on that. You go to SEMA headers. I'll bet you.

[B]

You can probably. But you get my point. Like this car is. Is honestly probably better engineered. It was a Ford, I'm sure.

[A]

I expected Both of you to say Gen 1 Viper. Yeah, Gen 1 loud 5ish.

[B]

That's the obvious, it's too obvious.

[A]

The, the other ones I was going to throw out, a Shelby Cobra replica from like the 60s is very raw, has that X factor, is dangerous, etc. I was also going to throw out if you wanted something a little bit more modern and a little less attention, getting a WS6 or a Turmy Cobra for about 30 termy Cobra gets you a ton of power and presence and.

[C]

Yeah, I guess, I think, yeah, I think.

[A]

And if you just want something to like blow everyone's mind when they see it. Plymouth Prowler.

[B]

Yeah, that's not, that's not wrong.

[A]

You lose the driving to me part.

[B]

Of the, the, the beauty of the Countach experience is the low slung is the exoticness of it. And that's why I say esprit. But yours give, yours provide. Especially the Viper provides sort of the rawness, the, the emotion of it. And I do think that, that, that would be a car that someone could fall in love with if they have an open mind.

[C]

Yep. I, I still want one. I still want one at some point.

[B]

Okay, next question from Parthi smarty. Did Nick actually money shift the TT RS or is this just an inside joke? Folks, we don't joke about money shift.

[A]

Inside joke.

[B]

We don't joke about money shifting. I'm gonna tell you the story. Cause he's gonna tell you the wrong story. I'm gonna tell you the real story. When I met Nick, he had a ttrs. And this was during Nick's modding cars days. He was a young man, pre kids and he would mod cars. When I met Nick, the TTRS had gold wheels. It was dropped. It was all this, you know, and we, we would, I would, we were talking and he kind of explained to me that a year or so before I met him, he had sent the engine out to get built because that's what you do. He got it built and one day he was, he after the engine, after the car came back and the engine got built. He, he was driving to work and he was getting on an on ramp and he launched it and he accidentally went from, you know, fourth to second and meant to hit third. I don't know what it was, I don't know the exact gearing and I don't think he does. And money shifted. The car blew the motor. And after that he drove around in a Camry with no title.

[A]

The only part of that story that's true is the very end of it and there was a title somewhere. It just had been lost. And Florida requires you to go in person to get a duplicate made.

[B]

And we, of course he's driving around a Florida plate Camry with no title after he blows up his motor. It's a story as old as time in the modding community.

[A]

A good friend of mine who was active military and so therefore you don't have to change the plates if you are enlisted. And so that was the loophole. Much like bang energy drinks.

[B]

I'm glad that you have stepped in to correct that part of the story.

[A]

The rest is bs. First of all, the engineering was rebuilt because of the motor blowing. Not before. Because it was sleeved much like your countach to strengthen it.

[B]

After it, after the money shift.

[A]

That's, that's how they fixed the fact that the, the piston rings melted and because.

[C]

So you did money shift it?

[A]

I did not money shift it. I was driving it normally.

[C]

Drive it normally. Normally. You know, the engine's got to be built.

[A]

It was never money shifted.

[B]

He was driving normally in the sense that he went to third and got first. People did that in those TTRS's. They got money shifted.

[A]

Great car.

[B]

I agree. It's a great car. It's an underrated car. It is now in West Virginia, right?

[A]

As far as I know. Unless it's sold since then.

[B]

We got to vin that, then look up that. Okay.

[A]

It's. It's an inside joke. Doug likes to claim the story.

[B]

It is not money shifted a ttr.

[A]

You were not there.

[B]

Oh, let me tell you, I'm gonna, I'm, I'm gonna give you listeners out there who may not have as much experience in the automotive world as, as, as I. When someone tells you that they were driving a car in some anger and the engine just blew, this is not an old car. This is a five year old car at the time. Right? And it's got a manual transmission. They money shift it. They don't want to tell you they.

[C]

Money shifted that old cast register over here. Money shifted that ttr.

[A]

No such thing. We will move on.

[B]

Money shifted to TTRS. Okay, next question from Tennis Pro6060. Doug, please explain why automakers are still using 12 volt power outlets.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Why? Why? It's because people still have accessories that use those things. And there will be people who, including me, believe it or not, in my sequoia, I actually I found a 12 volt that charges the phone like instantly. And I'm like married to it. I think it's still better than the in car plugs because they're just not as quick to charge. And so believe it or not, I still use a 12 volt self in that car.

[A]

I'm like that with USB A, USB A. I'm not, I'm not down with the C. Don't force it on me. Like I'm good.

[B]

What, what you prefer USB A to C?

[A]

Because I got all the A's. I got tons of the A's. A lot of the outlets got A's in them. I'm not ready.

[B]

Okay, well that's another example of this. However, my suggest, my, my suspicion is that this will go away. Just like cuz cassette players, like for years and years automakers had cassette players on cars even long past when we all were actually using them, but some people were still using them. And that's true of the 12 volt. And I think the 12 volt sticks around for longer than you think because there are still people who are not willing to give up their, their stuff now as more and more cars are starting to integrate household outlets, which is becoming a thing I'm seeing on at least one out of every two cars I'm reviewing, I think that will eventually kill the 12 volt outlet, but it'll be still a few more years. Okay, next question from Luke Rhjnoffs. The older generation always says to pay for cars in cash. Neuer would say do as little down as possible. Invest what you could have spent to make up for depreciation. Do you see pros to cons to either? Boy, I made a video about this years ago and man, there are some real people who are just cash only. Here's the deal. If you can get a sufficiently low income interest rate on a loan and you use it to buy a car that you. These are the two caveats in which I think you should finance a car. You get a low interest rate and you use it to buy a car that you could have otherwise afforded. So you're not using your financing to stretch into some Rolls Royce type thing. You go to the dealer, you could get a Honda, but Instead they're offering 1%. And so you take them up on that, you finance that car. Okay? Smart money, smart consumers, smart finance people will do that always. There are a lot of people out there who just don't want a car payment. I get that it is not the financially smartest thing to do. You will not end up on top if you take the money that you would have spent on the rest of the car and invest that money over time. You will come out ahead. You may not come out ahead that year or even with that car, but if you do this throughout your Life and get 2% interest on every car and invest the rest, you will come out way ahead. In the end you probably have an extra car in cash because of all the money that you didn't tie up in cars. And so that's what you should do. And I cannot wait for the comments to tear me apart and say that buying cash is the only way to do it. Because that's what Dave Ramsey says. Nick, tell me your thoughts.

[A]

I got a couple. One, the average new price of a car, I'm told is 51,500. So buying cash isn't an option. Now you could buy used. However, with the used, you do run a risk that the car blows up the day you get it back, right? So like when people are leasing a car, right, often the advice is don't put a ton down because if you crash it or what have you, you're never getting that back.

[B]

That's good advice for a lease.

[A]

So it could maybe go with sketchy purchases in which you get scammed or something that like, hey, if you finance it then maybe there's, I mean I.

[B]

Do think that there's a middle ground between the type of used car that will blow up the day you it and a brand new car. There's a lot of used cars in there that you could still finance, still get decent interest rates on that are not going to blow up the day you buy it. Like, like a two year old Accord is a pretty good, that's probably a pretty good buy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You got nothing else. That's all. That was your take.

[A]

I, I don't, I guess since we're on the topic of religions, a lot of my Muslim friends are not big on debt. So to your point, there may be people who are just.

[B]

That's true. There's some people and there's some people who just personally just don't want to have debt. And I get it. But the smart money is if you can get a low enough interest rate and you're not stretching to afford the car. I've made this caveat already, twice. I'm making it a third time. Those are the two really important points here because in today's environment when interest rates are 6%, you don't want to do this.

[A]

It is, it is a bigger cost.

[B]

You don't necessarily want to do this or you want to finance less of the car. Nonetheless, I will say one of the things I'M really sick of with the personal finance crowd is people who are bragging about how old their car is and how long they keep their car running. You do not understand the safety benefits of getting a more modern car than your 1986 Honda Accord. And there are so many people out there who. I still drive the same 1993 Honda Accord that I bought new as a point of pride. And I don't find it prideful. I think it's dangerous at this point. I'm not saying you need to go buy a brand new Volvo, but like a three year old Honda. Honda Accord is not that crazy of a spend and it really will change your life if you get into a serious accident. And I guarantee there are people who have gone to the grave proud of their 1993 Honda Accord for personal finance reasons. Kenan, how'd you buy the SL65? You take out a giant loan, no pay cash.

[C]

But still the thing with it is, yeah, I think it depends on everybody's individual situation, your level of comfort with that. But I think you can be smart about it. Just it really depends on the car, how you're going to use it. I do definitely agree with you about the safety thing for people who are doing big commutes. Commutes in older cars. I drive an older car every day. My commute's not that far. And so it's. I'm at a lower level of risk. And the E39 is a very safe car. That's a pretty safe car too. So I'm less worried about it. But yeah, I think that era in particular, that's people who drive stuff from the 90s every day. It is a little bit. Be a little bit dicey. By the way, especially if you have children.

[B]

Car like yours, you can't finance it. The interest rate level that I'm talking about anyway. But you also won't have to deal with depreciation. So really you're tying up the money. But it's not as big of a deal.

[C]

And the market's also pretty defined on cars like those. I know what an SL65 is worth. I could sell it probably for exactly the same amount if I needed to. Whatever.

[A]

What gets really interesting on new cars is the manufacturers will buy down the interest. So you think you're getting like a 0 or 1 1%, but they're kind of baking that into the purchase price. Also like that could have been potentially what you negotiated off in cash, which makes this even murkier is like, okay, am I really getting 2% or am I just paying an extra 5 grand on the car which they're buying down?

[B]

That's true. And it's difficult. A lot of sophisticated. A lot of unsophisticated people have a. Even sophisticated ones have a hard time understanding that. The real benefit is to try to get a really low rate and negotiate the hell out of the price on the car, which, especially in today's environment, a lot of cars, you. You can do that.

[A]

I did Jumbo alone on the slur. What?

[C]

What?

[A]

The slr.

[C]

I know what that is.

[A]

To use Ed Bullion's term. I financed it. I didn't finance it. I financed it.

[B]

Okay, next question from Paleco. Last question. Doug, you claim to listen to more music than almost everyone. I rarely get personal questions on the pod and I appreciate this one. This year is wrapping up. What have you and the group been listening to in 25?

[A]

Oh, we got to hear your Spotify top hits are.

[B]

I listen to more music than anyone. All right. I have been a top 99.9% Spotify user for years now. When Spotify wrapped shows up, which will be in three, four weeks here, I'll post it again and I will have been again a top user. Actually, I'm not sure that I will this year because I don't drive as much. But my very favorite band is a band from Austin called Night Traveler and you should go live, listen to them, Nick, give us your musical tastes.

[A]

I don't listen to a lot of music. It's still the driver's era of. Of music, so late 90s, early 2000s mostly.

[B]

He left everything on the field in 2004.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Really?

[A]

No effects. Pennywise. Bands like that, no use for a name. Face to face. Some 41. I've been into a lot. Lag Wagon.

[B]

Really? You drive around listening to some 41?

[A]

Yeah, they're good. I mean, all sort of like that 90s punk sort of vibe. I will go into hip hop that. Like A Tribe Called Quest and things of that effect.

[B]

But that era, last time I was in the car with Ken and he had jazz playing Steely Dan.

[C]

I do also love Steely Dan. There are a couple of more modern bands like Floor you introduced me to. I absolutely love Floor. I think I've bought. I still buy a lot of music. I've bought everything they've ever done and I listen like when I run. They're my favorite like band to like, listen to. I love Floor. Adam Dodson is another artist I discovered recently. Formula One featured him like it was Charles Leclerc driving around the track and it was like. It's very peaceful music. I listen to a lot of that too. But jazz, I'm. I'm a modal jazz person. So I'm a big cold train head and I listen to a lot of stuff like that.

[A]

But have you heard the new Taylor Swift album?

[C]

No.

[A]

Pretty good.

[B]

I haven't listened.

[C]

That's not true.

[A]

So catchy.

[B]

Taylor's the best. We all love Taylor. I to this day I sing all too well. The 10 minute version loudly in the car when I'm driving. Have you gotten into that one yet?

[A]

The 10 minute version of All Too well. Oh, can you sing it for us? Just hum it.

[B]

Photo album on the counter.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Cheeks are turning red. You know I'm not embarrassed. Okay, we gotta move on. I think we can do one more. One more question. If there is one more question. Yeah, last one. CX Niner. What was the worst downgrade from a particular model from one generation to the Next? For example E39 to E60 or C2 to C3. Those are it.

[C]

C2 to C3 is tough. That's a bad one.

[B]

That was it.

[C]

How about NA2NSX to the E38D65 was worse than E39D?

[B]

That's a great one. 05 NSX to the new NSX is pretty. Although I like the new NSX. But the 05 was.

[A]

God.

[C]

Well. And there also was, you know, 15 years.

[B]

Yeah, but it's next generation. If you talk about a third gen nsx. That's what you're talking about.

[C]

Let's see.

[B]

Old Defender to new.

[A]

Thought about that.

[C]

Trying to think like I wanted to do an exotic car.

[B]

But S4. How about when they went from the V8 to the Super 6?

[A]

Yeah, I don't mind that guy. I had the sport diff. It was fun.

[C]

C63 is a tough one. The. The twin turbo V8 to the new C63 is one of the great mess ups.

[A]

What about 993 to 996?

[B]

Yeah, I mean I don't agree with that. I love the996 but a lot of Porsche people would probably. Would probably support that. To be honest. I think that the 993 to 996 transition was an improvement from a driving perspective.

[A]

I still look at 996 turbos a lot. Just there's phenomenal values. I like how they look. I'm with you.

[B]

I think the 993 is so cool and so analog. Whatever. But like the 996 was faster, it's tighter, it's more stable, it handles better, it has all these benefits but the interior is worse and nobody likes how it looks. And of course you lose the air cooled and so there's a lot of that stuff.

[C]

I think now. I think now it has more of a charm. There's a subsect of like die hard fans who like the way the 996 looks. Well, it really is the. It really is the only 911 that looks really different I think to the other ones. Like the993 does look different than the964 and the G5 before that. But the996 is a dramatic departure. And then they. The997 looks more.

[B]

I mean the market also.

[C]

It's not just the market.

[B]

The market is pretty clear. 993 turbos are like 250 and 996 turbos are like 60 and. But nonetheless I think the 996 is underrated anyway. What are other cars that really they messed up? How about the SL facelift? The one. The one.

[C]

The R2. Yeah. The R233. Yeah.

[B]

809. That was tough.

[C]

That was a bad.

[B]

Yeah, but that wasn't as bad as the stuff we're talking about.

[C]

I'm sticking with the C63. I think that's probably the one. To me that and the C2, C2 to C3.

[B]

I can't think of any other bad ones, can you? Any other really.

[A]

I was trying to figure out what came before the 612. Scaglietti and Ferrari hoping it was the 550.

[C]

It was the 456.

[A]

It was a 456. So that's not that far.

[B]

Ferrari in that four seater.

[A]

The lineage just sucks.

[B]

It has always kind of sucked, but it has always gotten a little better. Yeah, the old four seater stuff was bad and the 400 wasn't exactly great. But then it got a little better. The 456 and the 612, then the.

[C]

FF, all those are progressively better cars.

[A]

Definitely now that I learned that John Temarion Lamborghini has a van and not a V10. The Huracan at Temerian is a little tough. Not the worst.

[C]

We were there for the launch at Quill, we saw it.

[A]

Listen to the motor size.

[C]

Yeah, that's what you listen to.

[B]

Hey, how about for you when the Explorer went from a body on frame with a V8 down to a little unibody six four cylinder turbo thing. Nah, I love the new Explorer.

[A]

I think it's great.

[B]

Those are our answers. E38T65 might actually be the worst one.

[C]

Yeah, that was a. I remember hearing that in 01 is that the. The E30 was being discontinued. Was one of their best sales years for the car because everybody saw the new one.

[B]

Although O2 was up, sales increased for the E65. But I think time has proven that to be a bad redesign more than anything else. Like the 01 is still beloved and an 02 E65, that Aztec and those are the same level of common. I mean serious. There are no original E65s. Everyone you see is a facelift. And even then you're not seeing them that much anymore.

[A]

No, that's.

[B]

You know what I got up behind the other day and I think thought to myself this is actually leaving the SLR party. I thought to myself this is the last time I'm ever going to see one of these randomly on the street. An 11 335D.

[C]

Wow. Yeah, you don't really see those. Those are great cars.

[B]

They're cool.

[C]

Torque.

[A]

Torque.

[B]

They were auto only but I. I thought to myself I will never see another one of these randomly. I bet it had been years since the last one.

[C]

Yeah, this is it. Yeah, I've. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. You don't really see that era diesel BMW much anymore.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And E70s. Like you don't see X5 diesels from that generation that much either.

[B]

Yeah, I don't. It's hard to. To know because it's on the side. But that 335D badge, I'm like, that was a cool car. It gave you like real fuel economy and range but like pretty good performance too.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. That's our pod. You got any parting words here, Nick?

[C]

No. Best pod we've ever done.

[B]

Go to Kenan's YouTube channel 6. I haven't seen the video yet. I'm incredibly excited to do that. When is it launch? It's launching yesterday.

[A]

I can't believe you don't give your friends a sneak peek.

[C]

Cuz it'll be great.

[B]

You'll.

[C]

You'll enjoy. I'll send it to you later.

[A]

Before.

[B]

Before Nick posts a video on his channel, he sends it to us and says, do I need to edit out anything inappropriate from this?

[C]

See, I know that I watched this. I've been making videos for a while and I've got it.

[A]

But I appreciate you let us see the car. Well, like a month ago you've had.

[C]

It probably two weeks, but.

[A]

Yeah, it feels like a month.

[C]

What, you expect me to hide it for two weeks?

[A]

Well, Doug almost leaked it on his Instagram page. Instagram.com.

[C]

He didn't tag me.

[B]

All good. Now we're all excited. All right, that's our podcast. Nick, pleasure. Thank you for being here. Nick will also be here next week. Flipo's in Japan, and he's been sending us crazy pictures of stuff like Japanese cars.

[C]

What's crazy about the pictures? How poorly framed they are. Not a good photographer.

[B]

Some of the photos I've ever seen.

[C]

Take some picture lessons.

[B]

He's not going to watch this. Pleasure. Thank you for watching. We'll see you next week.

[C]

Goodbye.