Ferrari Stock Drops, Audi G Wagon Coming? Mercedes Copies Jaguar?

Summary

THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends!

Episode: Ferrari Stock Drops, Audi G Wagon Coming? Mercedes Copies Jaguar?

Date: October 17, 2025
Host: Doug DeMuro
Co-hosts: Kenan, Filippo

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Overview

This episode dives into the biggest recent stories from the automotive world: Ferrari’s stock troubles amidst changing electrification plans, Mercedes’ retro-futuristic concept causing Jaguar déjà vu, Toyota’s bold moves at the Tokyo Mobility Conference, Honda’s revival of the Prelude, the Chevy Bolt’s return, and wild speculation around an “Audi G Wagon.” The hosts also discuss the used car market, car shopping, recent car events, and answer listeners’ questions with their usual mix of car-nerd depth, banter, and sarcasm.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Ferrari Stock Crash and Electrification Plans

(01:07–07:10)

• Disappointing Forecasts: Ferrari’s stock had its worst day since 2016. The panel discusses Ferrari’s announcement cutting anticipated sales growth and reducing electric vehicle (EV) projections for 2030 from 40% to 20%.
• Why Did the Stock Drop?
  • Filippo: “The market was not pleased because as part of that same 10 year plan they decreased their forecasted numbers.” (01:31)
  • Doug: “I think the two things are probably linked.” (01:50)
• Product Strategy Dilemmas:
  • Ferrari’s difficulty balancing its traditional experiential brand with required modernization.
  • Doug: “They had forecasted three years ago that 40% of their sales would be electric and now they're saying only 20% by 2030.” (03:01)
  • Filippo: “Although 20% of their sales will be electric by 2030 is still a pretty ambitious target given that they don't have a single electric model.” (05:03)
• Naming Woes: Jokes about “Ferrari Electrica,” and how Italian names don’t always translate glamorously.
  • Doug: “The Italians think, and correctly, that most words in their language sound amazing... But they can't always get away with it.” (04:15)
• Demand and Market Realities: Not all Ferraris are selling out; SF90 being the example where demand flagged, which “scares investors” (06:47).
• Quote: Doug: "If there's even a little bit of chink in the armor, that scares investors." (06:47)

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2. Mercedes Vision Ioniq Concept: Jaguar Vibes or Art Deco?

(07:21–10:24)

• Jaguar Copycat Talk: Mercedes’ new concept references 1930s design but gives off strong Jaguar vibes.
  • Kenan: “They've kind of... taken the Jaguar approach to its design.” (07:21)
• Production Reality Check:
  • Doug: “The only thing I can promise you about this vehicle is that it will not under any circumstances in any way go into production even slightly resembling what this is.” (07:50)
  • Classic concept car letdown discussion.
• Design Details: The rear allegedly resembles a 300 SL Gullwing, there are wafer-thin solar panels, but the whole thing is “just cool as hell”—but unattainable.
• Jaguar vs. Mercedes Perceptions:
  • Doug: “We all made fun of Jaguar a year ago when they did this. And here's Mercedes-Benz doing Jaguar better.” (09:41)

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3. Toyota at the Tokyo Mobility Conference: Concepts, Sub-brands, and More

(10:24–14:44)

• Expectations vs Reality: Everyone expected a supercar; instead, Toyota unveiled a wild minivan and a slew of other futuristic concepts.
  • Doug: “Instead they revealed the replacement to the Lexus LS... it's a six-wheeled minivan.” (10:56)
• Corolla and Ultra-Luxury Century Sub-brand:
  • Filippo: “Part of this announcement has Toyota creating a sub brand for Century... positioned above Lexus as their luxury—luxury trim.” (12:33)
  • Discuss potential for Toyota’s “Century” line to finally be offered outside Japan.
  • Doug: “I think the concept of a Century sub-brand is laughable outside Japan. My guess is... they would use it as a branding thing like Maybach.” (14:32)

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4. Honda Prelude Returns: For Old Folks?

(15:56–20:19)

• Disappointment for Enthusiasts:
  • Doug: “Instead of giving us a Scion FRS competitor, rear wheel drive and fun, [the Prelude] is front wheel drive automatic hybrid... popular in Japan primarily with old people.” (17:00)
• Spec Details: 200hp hybrid, automatic only, estimated $40-$42k base price.
• Missed Opportunity:
  • Doug: "Honda's going to use this as an example of, 'Well, we tried to do what the enthusiasts wanted and it didn't work.' And it's like, 'Did you?'" (19:06)

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5. Chevy Bolt EUV is Back

(21:02–23:47)

• Tax Credit Economics: The return of the Bolt is mainly because EV tax credits have dried up, making the Bolt’s price point newly attractive.
  • Doug: “It took like a four year hiatus and then they were like, all right, let's go.” (21:27)
• Nostalgia for Oddball EVs: Panel reminisces about the Spark EV, first-gen Leaf, and others.

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6. Audi’s G Wagon Rival? The “Scout” Tie-in & Segment Strategy Discussion

(23:59–27:30)

• Hints of a G Wagon Competing Audi:
  • Filippo: “Somebody senior at Audi... said basically, stay tuned, we haven't forgotten about this. So we may see an off roader—Audi.” (24:06)
  • Likely based on the Volkswagen/Scout electric SUV platform.
• Q9 On the Way:
  • Doug: “Audi has done this amazing job of their SUVs... and now they're conceding and doing the same thing [as BMW and Mercedes].” (24:41)
• Doug's Praise for Audi's Bracketing Strategy:
  • “We’re going to give you GLS interior room, but at a GLE price with the Q7...” (24:41)
• Powertrains: Discussion about the wish for proper V8s in new SUVs.

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7. Road Atlanta Event / Car Show Round-Up

(27:39–36:38)

• Filippo & Kenan at Petit Le Mans / Michelin Raceway: 14-hour “Cars & Coffee,” Cadillac wins the race, Aston Martin Valkyrie grabs first podium with an NA V12.
  • Filippo: “We had the longest ever cars in coffee. We had 50 plus cars... from 8am to 10pm.” (30:57)
  • Kenan: “My favorite one I met was a dog named Teddy—a golden retriever...” (34:29)
• Coolest Cars Spotted:
  • Mustang GTD, R34 GTR, Ed Bolian’s Veyron, rare Toyota Sports 800, built M3 sedans, etc.

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8. Cannonball Run Stories

(37:02–41:42)

• Doug visits the Cannonball finish line (Portofino Hotel, Redondo Beach):
  • Doug: “I just happened to have a dinner there... what I really need to do is to take a picture at the finish line and send it to Ed Bolian.” (37:17)
• Serendipitous Encounter: Meets actual recent Cannonballers who did NY-to-LA in a Defender in 36 hours.
  • Doug: “And they had done it in a Defender... 36 is pretty legit to drive from New York to Los Angeles.” (38:43)

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9. Car Shopping & Market Observations

(41:57–48:29)

• Kenan shopping for ~$20k fun car: Considers SL55, 987 Cayman, third-gen Viper, but also SL65 and CL65 discussion for more “go big” ideas.
  • Doug: “If you're in an SL65... this is the coolest damn car in the world. You don't want one of these?” (43:39)
• Wheel Wars: Spirited debate about the best factory Mercedes wheel of all time.

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10. Market Report: Used Car Trends

(48:29–55:32)

• G63 AMG Holds Value: $51,000 for a 2015 G63 with 115k miles. “Not a lot of 2015 cars with 150,000 miles that would sell for $51,000 of any make and model.” (49:36)
• F10 M6 Value Dip: Clean examples selling in low $20,000s.
• Ferrari Purosangue Market: Not appreciating like “the most desirable Ferraris.” Fails to meet reserves; market normalizing.
  • Filippo: “They are not depreciating like the most desirable Ferraris.” (54:11)
  • Doug: “I have a suspicion that ... in a couple more years these are going to really, really start to see a bigger depreciation.” (55:03)

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11. Listener Q&A Highlights

(55:32–end)

• Guest Co-hosts: Nick will be filling in on upcoming episodes.
  • Doug: “I can't make him permanent, but I can make him semi-permanent. You're going to have a November of Nick, Nickvember and also two weeks in October.” (57:24)
• Tall Driver Sports Cars: Doug hasn’t had fitment problems, except Ferrari Boxer and Saleen S7.
• Shared $250K Garage: Spirited debate—993 Turbo, 575M, 996 GT2 all considered.
• Emily’s M3 CRT “car history”: She only drives rare, NA-engined, special edition M3s (joke thread).
• Infiniti Brand Survival: “It’s impressive they have failed so spectacularly at building a luxury mainstream brand...” (65:46)
• Dream Guests: Filippo would want Ford’s Jim Farley or GM’s Mary Barra, but only if it’s the CEO.
• Best Police Pull-Over Stories: Window tint confusion, highway stops, and respectful officer–car enthusiast interactions.
• Enterprise Rent-A-Car Memories: Doug recalls the thrill of working as a driver, favorite fleet cars being Maxima, G35, and Chrysler 300C.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Ferrari’s EV Slowdown:
  “In other words, people don't want this crap. We'll see if they still want it when it's 20. Maybe it's going to be 10% or 3%.” — Doug, (05:10)

• On Mercedes’ Vision Ioniq Concept
  “The only thing I can promise you about this vehicle is that it will not under any circumstances in any way go into production even slightly resembling what this is.” — Doug, (07:50)

• On Toyota's Century Brand:
  “I think the concept of a Century sub brand is laughable outside Japan.” — Doug, (14:32)

• On Honda Prelude’s Audience:
  “It allows [old people] to be sporty without making any commitments that are required of an actual sporty vehicle.” — Doug, (17:09)

• On Used G63s:
  “There are not a lot of 2015 cars with 150,000 miles that would sell for $51,000 of any make and model.” — Doug, (49:36)

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Fun, Sarcastic, & Human Moments

• Stubborn Car Shopping: Doug is besieged by listeners offering him “almost” the 993 Turbo he wants, leading to classic DeMuro-crankiness.
  “A dozen people have reached out with completely different things. A blue one, a euro, a black one. ... F off. I want an Arena Red 993 Twin Turbo USA car.” (28:28–28:47)

• Car Show Tales: The highlight for Kenan wasn’t a supercar, but a golden retriever named Teddy. "He came over and he sat on my foot and then he laid down. ... Teddy is a very good boy." — Kenan, (34:29)

• Wheel Design Wars
  Filippo: “I actively dislike them.”
  Kenan (horrified): “I will not have such slander thrown at this wheel. This is one of the all time great wheels, period.” (47:43–48:11)

• Advice for Tall Drivers:
  Doug: “I sit close. I'm like a race car driver. You ever see Mario Andretti? He doesn't, he's not doing one of these. Mario Andretti is up there.” (59:07–59:14)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Ferrari Stock/EVs: 01:07–07:10
• Mercedes Vision Ioniq Concept: 07:21–10:24
• Toyota / Century / Corolla Concepts: 10:24–14:44
• Honda Prelude Returns: 15:56–20:19
• Chevy Bolt EUV Returns: 21:02–23:47
• Audi G Wagon/Scout/Q9: 23:59–27:30
• Road Atlanta Event: 27:39–36:38
• Cannonball Run stories: 37:02–41:42
• Car Shopping/Mercedes Wheel Fight: 41:57–48:29
• Market Report: 48:29–55:32
• Listener Questions: 55:32–end

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Conclusion

A quintessential THIS CAR POD! episode—nerdy, opinionated, packed with deep industry insights, playful bickering, inside jokes, and rich car culture references. Whether you care about Ferrari’s future, want to hear about the wildest enthusiast cars, or simply enjoy the vibe, this episode’s a ride from start to finish.

Transcript

[Doug DeMuro]

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[Doug DeMuro]

Hello and welcome to this Car Pop.

[Kenan]

I'm Kenan.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm Felipe and there's a lot to discuss. Let's start with the news. Ferrari. Ferrari. What happened?

[Kenan]

Well, it was. Ferrari had a tough time recently. So they recently. Ferrari is a publicly traded company so they had to announ announce their plans for the upcoming models. And one of the things they're announcing is their focus on electric. They're going to be introducing an electric supercar at some some point. And the market wasn't pleased about this.

[Filippo]

Okay. No, we got to be correct about this. The market was not pleased because as part of that same 10 year plan they decreased their forecasted to numbers. So is that related to their product Max? Surely in some way, but it is not that. That investor said oh we hate that they're releasing electric vehicle. It's Ferrari said they're not going to grow as quickly as they've been growing.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but I think the two things are probably linked.

[Kenan]

They're linked.

[Filippo]

There's a lot of other market forces happening that means that Ferrari is being relatively conservative.

[Kenan]

But they had their worst day since 2016.

[Filippo]

Yeah, but okay, it's inevitably going to happen, right?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. The market does not like when any company announces guidance or earnings that are lower than previous forecasts. Ferrari has always had this incredible profit margin and this incredible growth that everybody's been obsessed with. Ferrari is trying to temper some expectations probably in part because of some of their electric strategy that isn't really going to continue like it maybe was given the current situation.

[Kenan]

Yes. So I don't really know exactly what it's hard because like Ferrari is a really difficult company to manage. Because it's. So they have this reputation for making the fastest, most involving, experiential cars. And so it's hard to then direct that product strategy into the future. If it's going to be. If it's going to be. It's just a difficult brand to manage.

[Filippo]

Difficult brand to manage. Certainly what they have are they, at.

[Kenan]

The end of the day, they're a.

[Filippo]

Company that makes a lot of money.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right now. That's primarily right now.

[Kenan]

Right now, listen to this.

[Doug DeMuro]

40% of Ferrari sales were. They had forecasted three years ago that 40% of their sales would be electric and now they're saying only 20% of their 20, 30.

[Filippo]

Only 20% will be.

[Doug DeMuro]

Which is not. Which is, which is pretty far in the future.

[Filippo]

Like they've. They've been four years.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, yeah, but, but every. A lot of brands said they're only going to be electric. Ferrari has cut the, cut the amount by half of the numbers of vehicles that are going to be. That are going to be fully electric.

[Kenan]

Yet they continue to say they're going to release 20 new cars over the next several years, which is.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, but that includes whenever auto say that it's version versions of exist. You know, the 12 cylinder is going to spawn nine different cars. If you go on their website, there's going to be a 12 cylinder XX and a 12 cylinder convertible and a 12 cylinder GTB. Modern.

[Kenan]

Better than it exists.

[Doug DeMuro]

You get my point?

[Kenan]

Yes, that's true. I'm hoping that if they have at least looked at Porsche, one of those cars will be something with a manual transmission.

[Filippo]

I'm hoping though.

[Kenan]

Well, I mean, I'm hopeful but. Yeah, you say this, but the SP3 is an NAV12, no Hybrid Assist. That's kind of a backward step in a lot of ways. So I don't know.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know the electric Ferrari is supposedly going to be called the Ferrari Electrica.

[Kenan]

Yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're aware of this?

[Filippo]

Yeah. They haven't been doing their best naming for a while. 15:20.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Italians think, and correctly that most words in their language sound amazing. So like quattroporte, like it just means four door. But they can't always get away with it.

[Kenan]

They should call the next one the Ferrari.

[Doug DeMuro]

Filippo, you know what they ought to do? They ought to base their naming decisions on how the word sounds in English. Electrica. No.

[Kenan]

Dodeci Cilindri.

[Doug DeMuro]

Dodici Cilindri. No.

[Kenan]

Is that good?

[Filippo]

What about the Ferrari LaFerrari? Did you enjoy that years ago?

[Doug DeMuro]

I always liked that in the Enzo Ferrari.

[Filippo]

Yes, that's Ferrari Enzo Ferrari.

[Kenan]

The Enzo Ferrari. Not the Ferrari Enzo.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do you think that they, at the factory they still call it the Enzo Ferrari? You know what I mean?

[Kenan]

I'm sure they're pedantic about it like I am.

[Doug DeMuro]

Anyway, Ferrari, we'll see. It's interesting. This is the late yet again another example of an automaker that is cutting guidance, cutting forecasts on Electric.

[Filippo]

Although 20% of 20% of their sales will be electric by 2030 is still a pretty ambitious target. Given that they don't have a single electric model.

[Doug DeMuro]

I have a suspicion this isn't the only cut they're going to make. They apparently in this, in the, in the guidance where they, where they issued this, they said that they made the change to the EV target due to a client centric approach to their product portfolio. In other words, people don't want this crap. We'll see if they still want it when it's 20. Maybe it's going to be 10% or 3%.

[Filippo]

40% hybrid is also kind of interesting.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, but already I'm actually surprised it's only 40% hybrid because it seems to me that almost all the new Ferraris that launch are hybrids. The 12 cylinder isn't, but the 296 is.

[Kenan]

It's a Purosangue, but the Purosangwei is not.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's an SUV 12, but it's coming. It's widely assumed that a hybrid V8.

[Kenan]

But the Amalfi isn't.

[Filippo]

It's not that existed.

[Kenan]

Don't forget like the 296 and the SF90 really were the first two.

[Doug DeMuro]

I know, but we're talking about within the next five years. And my presumption is that the Amalfi and the Roma will be redesigned with an electric.

[Kenan]

Maybe that's what we're hit on. It's like these next models are just going to be engine changes. They're just going to change them to smaller hybrids. Maybe that's what it is.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's the kind of thing that automakers when they say stuff like that, 30 new models. It's like the Defender 110 Trek Edition. Oh, there's one new model.

[Filippo]

One interesting question here is for the last decade Ferrari has been able to sell every car they built, more or.

[Kenan]

Less until the SF90.

[Filippo]

They're still able to sell them. To be clear.

[Doug DeMuro]

Not really. Really.

[Kenan]

There are a lot that were sitting in years.

[Filippo]

They didn't get cut production as a result of demand. They produce the cars Democrats they want to sell so they have more control than Most other automakers on what their actual product mix is because they do have people that will buy whatever car they build. And so maybe we'll see 40, 40, 20, 40% ice, 40%, maybe.

[Doug DeMuro]

But the SF90, though, the reason that we highlight SF90 is because it shows they don't have perfect control. It's not like the Birkins. They can't just. Whatever they make is right. The buyers turn out to be maybe a little more discerning than Ferrari had hoped. And I have a suspicion that the reason you see such a huge decline here is because the market has been riding the wave of them being able to do whatever they want. And if there's even a little bit of chink in the armor, that scares investors. Because there's just been this certainty since Ferrari became a public company about 10 years ago that they could just kind of print money. Race. Race, baby. What's our next news story?

[Kenan]

Yeah, so this is the Mercedes Vision Ioniq concept. This is an EV car that Mercedes Benz plans to make. And they've kind of, as we've been talking about in the office, kind of seem to have taken the Jaguar approach to its design. However, Mercedes specifically says that it pairs 1930s style with future tech, does it not?

[Doug DeMuro]

I guess.

[Kenan]

I don't know if you're familiar with history, but you know how Mercedes says they wanted to be the bad guy? I don't think picking from the 1930s has the bad guy. They should be picking.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know what, Kenan, you're not going to have to worry about it. Because the only thing I can promise you about this vehicle is that it will not under any circumstances in any way go into production even slightly resembling what this is.

[Filippo]

Yeah, that's true.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is going to be yet another incredibly cool concept car that everybody agrees is incredibly cool. Everybody fawns all over, everybody obsesses all over. And then in the end when it comes out, it is a trim package on the C class coupe.

[Filippo]

Do we think it's incredibly cool?

[Kenan]

Distilled down, yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

Have you seen the rear? The rear looks like a 300 SL gullwing.

[Kenan]

Yeah, they said they took a lot of the design comes from the 550, 40k and the SSK and the rear they took from the 300 style. And the interior is kind of odd looking too. It actually looks very old.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think this thing is cool as hell. It's on 30, it's on 30s or.

[Kenan]

34S, which is a bit much.

[Doug DeMuro]

But the whole car is only about 44 inches high right now.

[Kenan]

The other thing that they wanted to point out is that this car uses wafer thin solar panels cuz they're hoping to increase the EV range using that. Now of course that's nothing new.

[Filippo]

No. Does it too?

[Kenan]

I don't know, it is really cool but I, I like, like you said. I assure you it's not going to look like this.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, it will not. It won't ever come out. Remember the accelero? Of course the accelero show the audience the accelero forgot you do. You don't remember it, do you?

[Filippo]

Of course I do.

[Kenan]

You do not.

[Filippo]

I also, not only that I can flyblock Accelero.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well that's a poor image of it. Pull back out. Let's see. This one's better.

[Kenan]

Oh that one.

[Doug DeMuro]

No. Well, but those are the bad wheels. You want the.

[Filippo]

There you go. Good wheels.

[Doug DeMuro]

When people ask me what car would come and fire your dad more than.

[Kenan]

Any other car, those became the base R230 wheels.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, that's right. And they were the SLR concept car wheels on the original SLR concept and they were the Accelero wheels and it never went in production.

[Kenan]

But XLR mirrors.

[Doug DeMuro]

But do you know what happened to this car? It eventually got out and it's. Someone owns it.

[Filippo]

Really?

[Doug DeMuro]

A person, a human, not you.

[Filippo]

Which wheels do you think they have on it?

[Doug DeMuro]

Not even me. These. Or maybe they were the 57s wheels that eventually got out. I don't remember. Anyway, it doesn't matter. The point is this is a very cool concept car from Mercedes. They're not going to build it. I will say it is a little Jaguar esque. We all made fun of Jaguar a year ago when they did this. And here's Mercedes Benz doing Jaguar Better.

[Filippo]

Long hood, low body. That's it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do you agree though that we take Mercedes more seriously?

[Filippo]

Oh yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

So this came out and it was pink. The only real difference is it was Jaguar and it was pink. Well, they also looked different. We all thought it was stupid. And then Mercedes comes out with this and it's not Jaguar and it's not pink and we're like ooh, pretty scary.

[Kenan]

I mean the Mercedes three point thing in the headlights, which is a bit much, but I think it looks cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think it's cool as hell and I hope that they build it, but they won't. Next news story please. Are you aware of this Toyota? Yes. Toyota did a big press conference. I don't know, a week ago, the.

[Filippo]

Tokyo mobility conference, whatever it's called.

[Doug DeMuro]

But Toyota specifically had this giant reveal. And everybody thought they were going to reveal their new supercar, which presumably will be as overrated as the lfa. And instead they revealed.

[Filippo]

I hope it will be.

[Doug DeMuro]

Instead they revealed the replacement to the Lexus ls you say? Mm, you already knew. This is called the LS concept.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah, no, I know.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a six wheeled minivan.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

That was the stupidest thing they showed. But they also showed some other stuff. Go to the next two you got. This is a concept of the new Corolla, which I think looks awesome.

[Kenan]

I think it looks great.

[Doug DeMuro]

Another vehicle. It looks that cool. We know it ain't going into production.

[Filippo]

We're going with awesome. Interesting.

[Doug DeMuro]

You don't like how this looks? No, it's got. It's like a Cadillac Sienna. It is a Cadillac S with a Lincoln Sentinel.

[Filippo]

Pull up the Cadillac CN mixed in with a model Y. We all agree?

[Doug DeMuro]

No, it's a CN and a Lincoln Sentinel. You know what the Lincoln Sentinel is?

[Filippo]

I don't know the Lincoln Sentinel.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is your problem. You don't have enough real deep, deep automotive.

[Filippo]

Yeah, no, I'm going to stick with what I said, but it's fine. It's okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

There is a Lincoln Sentinel on this thing. Wait, there's legitimately a Toyota product.

[Filippo]

What Toyota product is that reminding me of?

[Doug DeMuro]

The current Corolla?

[Filippo]

No, there's something that had that square tail.

[Doug DeMuro]

There is a little Model Y to it, but either way, that's a Corolla. We don't know if that'll actually come out in production. But. But one of the things we do know is if they're showing it as a concept car, it won't be a real car.

[Kenan]

Seldom is.

[Doug DeMuro]

It will end up being watered down. So if you, if you hate this, great.

[Kenan]

Except for the Carrera gt which was even more powerful.

[Doug DeMuro]

Porsche concept cars are always. They don't know how to do a concept. They've never. The Germans don't know how to like be imaginative. They're like a concept car. We'll make it slightly different from what we know. The real car will be like German. That's true.

[Filippo]

Is it like a Mirai?

[Doug DeMuro]

Is that what I'm getting? That's a good point.

[Filippo]

From the back, like a second gen Mirai. First gen Mirai.

[Doug DeMuro]

Go to the last one. This is Filippo's favorite thing. Filippo, tell us.

[Filippo]

Yeah. All right, so you're familiar with century. They make V12 and V8 powered like rolls Royce of Japan.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, right.

[Filippo]

We sell a bunch of them with V12s. They're wonderful. But there's new ones too. Part of this announcement has Toyota creating a sub brand for Century, just like they did for Scion or Lexus years and years ago, which will be positioned above Lexus as their luxury. Luxury trim.

[Kenan]

Ultra luxury.

[Filippo]

Ultra luxury brand. Rather not trim. It's also implied that it might leave Japan for the first time. No Century model has been sold outside of Japan. This might be the first time that that actually.

[Doug DeMuro]

So we might have an LX700H century.

[Filippo]

It would be the Century, whatever they call it, maybe. No, no. They have like shown diagrams of how they're positioning their brands.

[Doug DeMuro]

But Maybach is a brand. Denali is a sub Toyota.

[Filippo]

I have to.

[Doug DeMuro]

We'll see. We'll see.

[Filippo]

I think it would be separate. It'd be very exciting to have another.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's no way they're gonna launch a dealer network with super luxury cars. I promise.

[Filippo]

Put it as part of the lexing dealer network, admittedly. But you, you rename the cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

At least I bet they won't.

[Filippo]

Also, do you know what the Century SUV looks like?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, it's cool.

[Filippo]

It looks cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Maybe that'll come.

[Doug DeMuro]

Filippo dreams that maybe we'll get a really nice Toyota. What is.

[Kenan]

That's what Filipo wants.

[Filippo]

Go back a photo. You can't tell me this doesn't look like a first gen Mirai. The rear like that, kind of like flat tail.

[Doug DeMuro]

It looks like a Lincoln Sentinel.

[Filippo]

Keep going, it's fine.

[Doug DeMuro]

It looks like a Lincoln, folks. Tell him write filippoilippo.net wow.

[Filippo]

FilippoFilippo.net, i wish I owned that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Filippo.net the century thing is, I guess, interesting. Depending on how they launch it, Century has zero name recognition outside of Japan. Zero.

[Filippo]

But Lexus had zero name recognition when it launched and well, look at it now.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but that required an unbelievable investment and it took forever. And Scion, they did the same thing and it failed. So. Did it? It? Yeah, yeah.

[Kenan]

Is it around?

[Filippo]

They could have. They killed it. They killed it.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Because it failed.

[Filippo]

It was a different era. They have to kill some brands.

[Kenan]

Failure back then is different from failure today.

[Filippo]

Could have succeeded.

[Doug DeMuro]

What? Yeah, so. So could have Saab. So I thought Fisker Karma could have.

[Filippo]

It'll be tough.

[Kenan]

Oldsmobile.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think the concept of a Century sub brand is laughable outside Japan. My guess is if they actually did it, they would use it as a branding thing like Maybach's top end versions of Lexus.

[Kenan]

I agree with that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Either way, we're not getting a six.

[Filippo]

Wheel Lexus min Almost certainly not yet.

[Doug DeMuro]

Go greed on that. That I don't think is coming.

[Filippo]

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[Doug DeMuro]

All right, give us the next news story. The next one's a doozy. Okay. The new Honda Prelude. You know, I've been making fun of Honda on this podcast, and I feel bad about it because they make some damn good cars.

[Filippo]

I had a Honda Civic hatchback rental car the entire all last week, and it was phenomenal.

[Doug DeMuro]

Really?

[Filippo]

Yeah, it was really good.

[Kenan]

I have to say. It was good. We went for a drive and it was nice.

[Doug DeMuro]

Who'd you rent it from?

[Filippo]

One of the rental car companies.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, Honda doesn't sell to the rental car companies.

[Filippo]

Incredibly, this car had 45,000 miles. Was the best option at the. At the lot.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And had aftermarket tint.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. You know what? I. During COVID they started buying from auctions.

[Filippo]

And they've never seen it. That must have been what happened.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. But I was supportive. The new Honda president. I've made fun of Honda on this podcast because Honda is so careful. We'll do an suv, but we're not going to do a real. And we're going to make the passport. They're so cautious. They won't Just go and actually do stuff. They kind of will take a wait and see approach. That's why we got the Passport and the Acura SLX in the 90s because they were like, we're going to do an SUV at some point. But.

[Filippo]

But then they came out and they crushed it with Pilot and an mdx.

[Doug DeMuro]

But it took them forever. Forever it took them. I mean the pilot came out in 03, the explorer came out in 91. So for 13 years they took a wait and see and then final.

[Filippo]

And they did something with Isuzu which.

[Doug DeMuro]

Was a mistake, which was a mistake in itself. Anyway, the Prelude's here and it looks so cool. But in. Does it? Yes, but in true Honda fashion, instead of giving us a Scion FRS competitor, rear wheel drive and fun front wheel drive automatic hybrid. And the early reports out of Japan are the car has been tremendously popular in Japan primarily with old people. 70 plus and this was reported in the news and I assume that Honda in Japan was like, oh, it's been popular. I don't think that that, that Honda US probably loves the fact that the headline is old people love the Prelude. But of course old people love it because it's an automatic front wheel drive slow car and it allows them to be sporty without making any commitments that are required of an actual sporty vehicle. And it's just another example of Honda being too cautious. Yep. Yeah. You agree fully. You think they should have gone rear wheel drive manual.

[Filippo]

They should have at least lead with sporty in a way they didn't like. They could have put the Civic Si. They haven't fully announced powertrains, but it's the Civic hybrid powertrain which is a good powertrain. But they could have. It does have more torque than the Civic Si. But they could have led with something sportier, something a little bit more engaging than the car old people in Japan are choosing.

[Doug DeMuro]

Old people in Japan are choosing it. It's a 200 horsepower four cylinder hybrid from the Civic Hybrid. It's an automatic only good engine. Do you want to take a guess given that information? I'm gonna point it over to you. 200 horsepower front wheel drive hybrid, four cylinder automatic, only based on the Civic. Take a guess what the base price is probably gonna be around.

[Kenan]

I feel like it should. I feel like it's gonna be like 35 something else is what it should be, but I bet it's gonna be a lot more than that.

[Doug DeMuro]

42 is the current. Thought they said between the Civic Sport Touring hybrid, that's the best of the Civic hybrids and the Civic Type R which is Buy a Civic somewhere between 35 and 47. Buy a Civic hatch. So 42, 40, 42. Somewhere around there. Buy a Civic hatchback.

[Kenan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Which people will. And this, you know what the sad part is? Honda's going to use this as an example of. Well, we tried to do what the enthusiasts wanted and it didn't work. And it's like, it's like the new Integra. Well, we tried to do what enthusiasts wanted. Did you?

[Filippo]

There's also that new other whatever or the Honda, the like a mini small SUV thing that Acura has revealed.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh yes.

[Filippo]

Not the adx.

[Doug DeMuro]

The adx.

[Filippo]

No, the other one. There's a Honda one that's also named after some fam. Doesn't matter.

[Doug DeMuro]

Something.

[Filippo]

I'll get there, I'll get there, I'll get there. My brain isn't working.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's fine, it's fine. It's absolutely nuts. Dude. The Prelude is not more. And, and I only am covering this news story about the old people because I think it really crystallizes Honda's problem which is that they are too cautious and so they appeal to people. It's just not the point of a car like this. Toyota's been doing it now for two generations of the FR S. The Mazda's Miata's been going on for 30 plus years and they're sitting here, oh, we'll do front wheel drive and we'll do a little hybrid automatic. And they've missed the point completely of what is propelling those cars with enthusiasts and with sales in general. And I guarantee you, like so many other special Hondas, this is one generation and done.

[Filippo]

All right, pull up the Acura rsx. That's what I thought.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, the new rsx. Isn't that a concept though now or.

[Filippo]

Yeah, they're doing it the Acura, but the.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, you gotta type in new. It's. It's a concept for now, I think.

[Filippo]

Yeah, but it's pretty. We saw it at the. We can only hope it was not really a concept.

[Doug DeMuro]

Of course. What will end up coming out, it looks like a fast 28 inch wheel performance. It will end up being a front wheel drive. Yeah. EV with a range of 161 miles.

[Filippo]

And I will say, a friend of mine who has owned two HRVs texted me when that came out. I was like, that's so exciting.

[Kenan]

Great.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, they can keep selling to people in their own ecosystem. The problem is that's that group will not continue to get larger if they do that. Next news story. Please, please. Oh, the Chevy bolt.

[Kenan]

This is a new news story.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is the most interesting news story in the entire thing. The Chevy Bolt euv, which. That is the Chevy Bolt. That's the euv. The bolt. The bolt went away four or five years ago and we were done and nobody cared.

[Filippo]

Lady on fire there was that.

[Doug DeMuro]

That happens. They've brought it back as of this week with the same body style. It took like a four year hiatus and then they were like, all right, let's go.

[Filippo]

Same battery, like, same like specs.

[Doug DeMuro]

I presume so. Obviously I haven't looked in this. I don't care. But the important part of the news story is the reason. You know, when they canceled it was the second best selling EV on the market after the Model 3. And the reason they've returned it is because the tax credit has gone away and the concept of a cheap EV has changed. And suddenly Bolti over here, which was always a cheap ev, sudden, a lot.

[Filippo]

More appealing, I will say. Seems like just about the same specs.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, well, it was appealing before, but now it's especially appealing because this car is no longer competing against cars that have the tax credit. It suddenly is like a pretty desirable vehicle if what you wanted was just a.

[Filippo]

And it's a good vehicle also it now has faster charging.

[Kenan]

Not, not interested. But I suspect it won't have one.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do you remember the Spark ev?

[Filippo]

Of course.

[Doug DeMuro]

Of course.

[Filippo]

I also think often about the first gen Leaf, the second gen Leaf.

[Doug DeMuro]

It is just interesting to see this is how Chevy has already started to respond. The removal of the tax credit. We'll see what other automakers do.

[Filippo]

For what it's worth, they have the two most competitive, two of the most competitive small SUV ev.

[Doug DeMuro]

General Motors.

[Filippo]

Yeah. The Equinox and the Blazer are both legitimately competitive products.

[Doug DeMuro]

What about the Opal Ampira? Can you pull up an OPA Ampera? Sure.

[Filippo]

The Chevy Volt existed in Europe as.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Ampera A M P E R. Yeah.

[Kenan]

If you want to pick up, if you want to call any other cars that are very difficult, please let me.

[Doug DeMuro]

Look on this one.

[Filippo]

The word amp is in it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Pull that up.

[Filippo]

Pull it up.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, I, I, if I had a Volt, a first gen Volt, and I don't, but I have a friend who does, I would rebody it.

[Filippo]

I'm with you.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's like the Holden Monero people. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. With the GTOs. Like let's, let's. Why isn't anybody doing this, this is a really cool rebody, to be clear. It looks worse. Oh, yeah, absolutely looks worse.

[Filippo]

Okay, great. As long as we're aligned.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. But, but, but that's not the point. We want to seem Euro and cool. Although I've never seen one of these in Europe. I've seen a bunch in the us. One time I was driving past the Port of Baltimore and there were hundreds of them.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay.

[Filippo]

And puras, have you. We don't talk enough about the interior of the first gen Volkswagen.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was so interesting and good.

[Filippo]

Yep. I'm not gonna make Kenna Google it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Although, man, do I want to. It was really good. That white, like, panel, it was like blue on it. It was Chevy's first attempt at doing something good. They had been a company about that time for about a hundred years. And that was. They were like, all right, we're gonna do this right?

[Kenan]

Corvette not good.

[Filippo]

No. It was the GMT 800 quadra steers. And it's.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, right.

[Filippo]

The Volt, right?

[Doug DeMuro]

That's right. No, and the. And the C2. Larry Shinoda. Okay, next news story. There more. Oh, God. Oh, well.

[Kenan]

Audi.

[Filippo]

Audi has for a long time been kind of hinting at the fact they might come out with an off roader. Yeah, like something to compete with the G wagon.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Somebody senior at Audi the past week has, in a couple of interviews said, basically, stay tuned, we haven't forgotten about this. So we may see an off roader. Audi. Audi.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is just a rendering. It's not anything that's going to happen, but it's a rendering that someone made.

[Filippo]

Volkswagen, of course, has a subsidiary that's called Scout that's bringing back the range, extended ev, SUV thing. They may work together, we don't really know. But also Audi is finally building a Q9 or about to reveal a Q9, which will be finally, for the first time, their X7, GLS, Navigator, et cetera.

[Doug DeMuro]

Competitor. I'm actually a little sad about this because Audi has done this amazing job of their SUVs. They have pulled off a coup that no one has ever really talked about, but has been like the most beautiful auto industry thing in the last decade. Audi decided when they came out with luxury SUVs, instead of going small, midsize, large, to make two and position it between small and midsize and between midsize and large. And so the Q5 was always a little bigger. Bigger than an X3. It was always like. But they priced it like an X3. And the Q7 was always a little bigger than an X5 or any of the others, the GLE, whatever. But they priced it like a GLE and it was this brilliant decision. They basically were like, we're going to give you GLS interior room, but at a gle price with the Q7. Or we're going to give you gle interior room but at a GLC price with a Q5. It was so beautiful. And now they're conceding and doing the same thing.

[Filippo]

They need to. It's an attractive market. The Q7, by the way, is in a second generation, but it's been in the second generation since 2013. It has been up. It's insane. Because it's a good vehicle.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Q7 is. Everybody wants that. It's like hot. It like looks cool. Audi change how they haven't updated it in forever.

[Filippo]

2013 is legitimately when I think that generation.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, it's 2017.

[Filippo]

2017, 2017.

[Doug DeMuro]

It has that, that updated like, like edgy style.

[Filippo]

2017 feels right. You're right.

[Doug DeMuro]

It is weird that a vehicle that is so important has eight, nine years.

[Filippo]

Ago at this point.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's time. We're ready.

[Filippo]

It's time. But then said there'll be a Q9 which will be larger.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Q9 will be larger. So maybe they will finally fit into the correct segments. The G wagon thing would be cool as hell.

[Filippo]

Are we sad that the only one they're missing is Q1?

[Doug DeMuro]

No, no, wait.

[Filippo]

There is a Q1.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's a Q1 over, there's a Q2.

[Filippo]

Overseas, there's a Q2, a Q3.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. A Q4, Q2 is as little as it gets.

[Filippo]

Q4, Q5, Q6, Q7, Q8.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

I'm excited for Q9 and then Q10.

[Doug DeMuro]

So this would be QX QX. This would be interesting if they do you glossed over this, but the Scout thing is important to think about. Volkswagen has this partnership with Scout who's going to make this electric off road suv. If they do this, I guarantee it'll be some form of Scout situation, which is a shame because we like a big V8 in our G Wagon.

[Kenan]

Hell yeah.

[Filippo]

Sitting right over there.

[Kenan]

Sitting right over there, looking right at it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Does Audi have a V8 product?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, they do. They got the 4L Turbo V8. That's a great motor. Yeah. And probably put it in the. And put it in the Audi G Wagon.

[Filippo]

And by the way, the. There is, there is an. There's an SQ9 that has been spotted testing which we think has that V8.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, what would be great? QG. You know what'd be great? They call it the H Wagon. The Q Wagon.

[Kenan]

The Q Wagon.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's what they'll call it.

[Filippo]

All right, next story.

[Doug DeMuro]

Kulondavagen. There are no more news stories, but I want to. We have to move into the talk car segment. The talk car segment is brought to you by Kenan's girlfriend, Emily and her M3 CRT. We got an Emily question coming up, so prepare yourself. Wonderful. Kenan's girlfriend, Emily. Okay, the talk car segment moment. I want to talk about cars today.

[Filippo]

I would like to. Whoa.

[Kenan]

That's a car.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I want to talk about the Arena Red993 Turbo. Now, in the last three or four podcasts, I have stated that after two and a half years of not buying a fun car, I am ready to buy another fun car finally. And what I want is an Arena Red993 Turbo. I want a US Arena Red993 Turbo. With the. With the big old ride height and something that's happened here.

[Filippo]

That's not us.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is a US car. The ride height. Let's. Is it high in and something. No, this is a euro. And something that's happened here is that people have started to reach out. Now, folks, I appreciate the reach outs, I really do. It's lovely. However, I've been very clear that I want an Arena Red us. You've heard me say it how many times? Aha.

[Filippo]

So many times. I was actually pretty upset. We're talking about it again, actually.

[Kenan]

Anytime it's been mentioned, that's what I.

[Doug DeMuro]

A dozen people have reached out with completely different things. A blue one, a euro, a black one. People have been getting at me in every way they can. Do you want on a 993 Turbo? Hey, I saw the pod. Is this interesting to you? No.

[Filippo]

But thank you for sending it in.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, I don't even thank them.

[Kenan]

There's.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's almost a condescension to it. Like, Doug, I know I can talk you into this. This isn't what you want, but I can talk you into it. F off. I want an Arena Red993 Twin Turbo USA car like this one, except the USA car.

[Filippo]

I get a lot of our generalized emails where the email is publicly available. And my favorite type is the one that's like, hey, I know a buddy who has friends with a dealer whose buddy has a uncle with a 993. But I bet I could connect you to the buddy's uncle.

[Doug DeMuro]

It turns out to be A coupe, a base model, cab with tip. But it is Arena Red.

[Kenan]

Turns out it was a 964 the whole time.

[Filippo]

And also that uncle died. And now the car's gone.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

So many layers away.

[Doug DeMuro]

There we go. Arena Red 993, Twin Turbo. Folks, I do not want to mince words. I don't know what that means. Okay. Hey, this car pod, you know I'm all about value. Whether it's my Porsche Carrera GT or a quirky Nissan Murano Cross cabriolet that makes you do a double take. But today, let's talk about a different kind of asset. Acre Gold. Inflation's hitting harder than a V tenant, redline, gas prices, parts even. Your average car wash is way up. So if you're worried about where to put your money. Acre Gold lets you invest in real 24 karat gold bars starting at just a few bucks a day. It's like buying a classic car that never rusts, never needs repairs, and always shines no matter what. The price of gold is up over 40% from last year. 40%. And here's the best part. Acre is easy. Just pure shiny gold shipped straight to your door. They're really onto something with this. A solid, reliable investment that you can actually hold in your hand. And a fun thing to show your trustworthy friends. So head to getacregold.com. protect your money. Keep it golden. That's getacregold. All right. Now back to this car pod. The most important thing that happened this week is that Filippo and Kenan went to road Atlanta. Tell us what happened. It was delightful.

[Filippo]

We were there. For instance, Petite Lamont at Michelin Raceway Road Atlanta. Gotta use a full name. And we had like.

[Doug DeMuro]

Are we contractually obligated?

[Filippo]

Okay, this is fun. Trademark. You won't let me talk about first brand, so I gotta talk about Michelin. This way.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, wow.

[Filippo]

Thank you. We had the longest ever cars in coffee. We had 50 plus cars in our little car car area that were there from 8am till the rest ended longest ever. Well, from 8am to 10pm is a mighty long cars and coffee.

[Doug DeMuro]

You think.

[Filippo]

You think the record. We legitimately do think we do.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can't believe I wasn't there for this. The longest ever car.

[Filippo]

I don't know if you're to actually set world records as.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, you gotta pay. You gotta pay.

[Filippo]

You gotta have people out there.

[Doug DeMuro]

You gotta.

[Filippo]

It's like a lot of work to do that. We didn't want to do that.

[Doug DeMuro]

But we do think it was probably 14 hour cars. And coffee. You stayed there this whole time?

[Filippo]

I was. Ken and I were Both there before.

[Kenan]

4, 6am which of course, it's amazing because normally for the cars and coffee we go to every single week. And he's there.

[Filippo]

I'm there for an hour. This time, I was there the entire time.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can I ask you a couple questions? You may. Did you wear your giraffe shirt?

[Filippo]

As I wore my giraffe shirt the day before the cars and coffee, I was at the racetrack. I was talking to people. I was watching race saying it was delightful, but I wore it that day.

[Doug DeMuro]

Who won the race?

[Kenan]

It was Cadillac. Cadillac won the race, which I'm very happy about. But that wasn't the big talking point. The big talking point was the Delta wingman. Aston Martin came second with an NA V12 non hybrid. The Valkyrie came second, which was amazing. That's the first podium of the year for them. And to do it in 2025, to hear an NA V12 car on its way to a second.

[Doug DeMuro]

Amazing. I want to hear it again. Wow.

[Kenan]

The catalyst. Cadillac was like. It was like Iron Thunder.

[Doug DeMuro]

What's the motor of the Cadillac?

[Kenan]

It's that. It's a V8 Blackwing. Was it? Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Was it just a lightly modded CP5V black wing?

[Filippo]

No, it was actually typically.

[Kenan]

This is a prototype. Yeah, this is a prototype. They look crazy.

[Filippo]

I do want to say we talked to a ton of really cool people that, like, came from a way.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, that was going to be my last question. What was the coolest car?

[Kenan]

Car, car or race car?

[Filippo]

The. At our Carson coffee, there was a Mustang GTD for quite a while, which was very cool. Everybody was a really cool R34 GTR.

[Kenan]

Ed Bullion's Veyon.

[Filippo]

Ed Bullion. Veron. I kind of forgot about that. Ed Bullion was there with Veron. A Zimmer.

[Kenan]

He walked right past zimmer. Such an R5 turbo.

[Filippo]

Yes. That was also cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

Renault.

[Filippo]

Really nice. 996 GT2 from a guy.

[Kenan]

That GT3.

[Filippo]

GT3. Sorry. Guy that drove it from Austin and was not looking forward to the drive home too often.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wow.

[Filippo]

But people came from all over. There was a family that came from Maine, a father and a son that drove down from Maine to meet with Kenan and I. Really?

[Doug DeMuro]

What do those folks say to you? Like, I came from Maine.

[Filippo]

Usually they say, I think that your opinions are the best opinions on the podcast.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's.

[Kenan]

I heard a lot of conversations. No one said that. But mostly what people say to him is, are you, Nick? Is what most People say to you.

[Filippo]

People think that I'm Nick and I. I don't understand how this has happened. Like a lot of people ask me about my multipla and by. About my mercy. And maybe they say, oh, the Italian cars are owned by the Italian guy. And no, I don't buy real cars.

[Kenan]

It's owned by the French guy.

[Filippo]

It's owned by. By Nick Rochon.

[Doug DeMuro]

So you. You went there and you were there. It was delightful. Do you feel a sense of. When someone says I drove all the way from Maine to see you, do you feel a. What like you got some. You got some like obligation to that. Like you have to tell them you have to be cool? Yeah.

[Filippo]

And they learn quickly that obviously I'm not.

[Doug DeMuro]

Is that a problem?

[Filippo]

No, I think they know what they're getting.

[Doug DeMuro]

Kenan, what was your best encounter?

[Kenan]

Well, I got to meet. I met a lot of wonderful people. But without question, my favorite one I met was a dog named Teddy. A golden retriever named Teddy who said hello to me. He came over and he sat on my foot and then he laid down. The owner he talked to. We talked about cars. They were from Florida, I believe. Husband and wife came up and driving. I can't remember. Cuz I was too distracted by Teddy to be totally honest.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think my.

[Kenan]

They were so nice and. And Teddy is a very good boy.

[Filippo]

Can I say what I think my actual favorite car was? Somebody came. No. In a Great Toyota Sports 800, which is their first sports car. The first Toyota sports car ever made. Not the literal first, but yeah, I know the car and that was so cool. And I parked it. I had to park in the middle between rows of cars cuz it was tiny. It was.

[Doug DeMuro]

You got to choose where cars.

[Kenan]

No, no, no, no. For the most part, Ryan T. Chose where did.

[Filippo]

Cuz he's much more artistic and good at this than I am. But I chose that one.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, how sweet.

[Kenan]

That was nice. My. My favorite car that showed up other than Eds, cuz. The Veyron's. The Veyron, there's a built E46 M3 sedan. Not a. Not a wagon. Somebody built the sedan. They took a ZH and like did the whole thing. And again, I'm not a huge fan of modified cars, but it had the S54 and you know, had manifold stuff. But it was also turbocharged and turbo was hidden underneath and the guy had it to stock exhaust. So it was quite quiet. Cuz he wanted it to be silent. Dude. It was really. And it was red.

[Doug DeMuro]

It Looked what wheels?

[Kenan]

The competition wheels. The M3 Comp wheels.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. You know, I like the base wheel on the E46 M3.

[Kenan]

And the CHP wheel is good.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. But if you want.

[Kenan]

If you want to do it right.

[Filippo]

But.

[Kenan]

Yeah, but nonetheless, I mean, it looked amazing, but all the cars that showed up and people were around a long time. It wasn't just us that were there for 10 hours or whatever it was.

[Filippo]

And it was just so nice to. It's always fun every single time to meet with people to. To chat, to learn about their vor that they drove there from Indiana.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yep.

[Filippo]

To, like, learn about them and have. Be able to connect with them and also to watch a lot of racing.

[Kenan]

Well, and I want to say I'm very grateful to everybody who came out and said hello and. And talked to us. We're very humbled by this every single time it happens. But it was. It's just really fun. All we want to do is talk about cars. Some different from one another.

[Filippo]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Kenan]

But we really just want to talk about cars, so I'm very sad that.

[Doug DeMuro]

I couldn't have been there. I really hope I go next to here. Indiana is not far from. From Atlanta.

[Filippo]

No, I know.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's. It's about 45 minutes.

[Filippo]

Oh, 45 minutes.

[Doug DeMuro]

You drive through. You drive through Kentucky and Tennessee right there.

[Filippo]

It was very amusing to talk to people that were from Atlanta and people that drove in from somewhere else that you think is far and actually took them the same amount of time to drive from downtown Atlanta to the right. Atlanta's far from close.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's two more. There's two more cars. Things we absolutely have to cover. One is that I want to talk about the Cannonball. Oh, sure. This week, Portofino. This week, I attended a dinner at the Portofino Hotel in Redondo Beach.

[Filippo]

Oh, wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

And this is not relevant to you at all. It doesn't matter to your life. Except that this particular. There you go. This particular hotel. That's the thing that's out front. This particular hotel happens to be the finish line of the Cannonball race. So all those guys that drive cross country and set the record, Ed Bolian and Alex Roy and all those guys. The starting point is a random parking garage on the lower east side of Manhattan. Used to be called the Red Ball Garage. Might still be.

[Kenan]

It is still.

[Doug DeMuro]

And the finish line is this hotel, the Portofino Hotel in Redondo Beach. And I just happened to have a dinner there. The organizer of the dinner did not realize the significance of the hotel, which is obvious. So I'm driving up to the hotel, and it hits me that what I really need to do is to take a picture at the finish line and send it to AD Bolian.

[Filippo]

That's brilliant.

[Doug DeMuro]

And say to Ed, I just did it in 24 flat. The proof's coming out tomorrow. And I was like, this is gonna be a great trick.

[Filippo]

On his birthday, no less.

[Doug DeMuro]

Was it his birthday? His birthday?

[Filippo]

It was, like, two days ago.

[Doug DeMuro]

And so I did that. And I don't know if he bought it, but then I told him it was not true. But I pulled up at the hotel, surprised to see this large commemorative marker to this thing. And as I'm taking a picture of myself, of the car that I drove up there with me, you know, a guy walks up and he. Two guys, and they go, did you just finish? And I was like, no. And they're like, we did.

[Filippo]

Dang.

[Doug DeMuro]

And they had done it in a Defender. One of them had done it. They. They had actually. They had met there and become friends or whatever, but one of them had done it in a Defender in 36 hours. A new Defender. And with 36. So that's pretty, pretty quick. The record is, like, 25. But 36 is still. If you're not. If you're not Ed. Bullying, like, going hard with a fuel tank in the car. Years worth of prep. 36 is pretty. Pretty legit to drive from New York to Los Angeles.

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

And it got me wondering, like, I was just taking a picture out front. How often are people showing up at this hotel and this is, like, a reason that they're there? Like, I just finished, you know, and it just so happened that I was there this weekend in October. This is like, the weekend typically people have done this. There's, like, this feeling that October is the right time. People are back in school. The road construction is over, Air is cooler. There's not many people on the road. There's, like, this feeling about October specifically, and almost all of the records have been set in October. And so I kind of wondered if there would be other people there who had done it. And it turned out there were. Wow.

[Kenan]

They put you in your place.

[Filippo]

They did.

[Kenan]

That's really cool.

[Filippo]

What's your average speed at 36 hours?

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't know. It's a lot high.

[Kenan]

It's high. It's in the 90s.

[Filippo]

Impressive.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't think it's in the 90s, but it's.

[Kenan]

I think it is because, like, Alex did 3104, and his average speed, I think, was 89. Or it was 92, something like that.

[Doug DeMuro]

91.

[Kenan]

I can't remember exactly.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, okay, let's figure it out.

[Kenan]

Actually, the book is right back there. I can probably go check if you want me to.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's 2800 miles, so in 36 hours, your average speed is 78 miles an hour.

[Filippo]

Yeah. That's impressive, though.

[Doug DeMuro]

It is. It is. I will say to Alex, have rel. Interesting relationship with Alex. It is interesting to me that he did the 3104 and that was like, his big claim to fame. Ed beat him by five hours. And this dude who is just a guy with a Defender only lost to him by five hours, you know?

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Runs, like, had all these people with him. He did all this surveillance equipment. Like, this dude got in a Defender.

[Kenan]

Yeah, but at the time, like, Waze didn't exist. I mean, it was 2006, I think, when Alex did it. I mean, it like the like.

[Doug DeMuro]

So you think that Defender man only was so close because of weight.

[Kenan]

Also, like, fuel efficiency has changed with more modern cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Although, Ed, you think that the new Defender is more efficient than Alex's Ethernet 5?

[Filippo]

Yeah, I mean, factually, probably.

[Kenan]

My car is not particularly fuel efficient.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, what's. See 20 new Defender fuel economy is. You're driving 14, 19.

[Kenan]

Well, don't forget a Defender. You can put a gigantic fuel cell on.

[Doug DeMuro]

Fuel cell. He was a guy.

[Kenan]

I don't know. Did you look inside the Defender, dude?

[Doug DeMuro]

He didn't have a fuel cell in his.

[Kenan]

How do you know?

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, first off, no one who puts fuel cells in does it in open. In cars with open interiors.

[Kenan]

Oh, okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

But also, he was a guy. He wasn't like. He told me this was, like, on a whim. He just, like, did it. He wasn't like, don't take anything away.

[Kenan]

This achievement, like, it was real.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was. I will, in fact, take something away from Alex achievement that Ed Bulan did it five hours faster in a. In a used car. He bought it at Odessa auction. Mannheim.

[Filippo]

We're gonna start a feud with the Tonacast people. They're gonna make us talk.

[Doug DeMuro]

The other thing to discuss, in addition to my Cannonball Run attempt is that Kenan has posted in this thing. Did you see what he wrote?

[Filippo]

I did.

[Doug DeMuro]

He said that he is actively looking for cars.

[Filippo]

Is it a Viper? Is it a hit us?

[Kenan]

I have. I have been looking for cars. One that would puzzle Loki, but I'm. SL55 is a car that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Why are we thinking SL55?

[Kenan]

You know, he and I were talking about it on Live now on the cars and bids YouTube channel. And like the, there's such a value and they're just like around. And the M113K is a wonderfully reliable engine. It's a convertible. Yes, it's an automatic. But like, you know, our friend Nick happens to be getting another supercharged Mercedes convertible in some way.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh my God. That's not confirmed.

[Kenan]

No, he's only mentioned it a couple of times on the podcast.

[Filippo]

And his own videos.

[Kenan]

And his own videos and on Instagram and to anybody who asks. Anybody who doesn't ask, doesn't ask. Throwing a party. And so like, and so, so I, I, it kind of like got me thinking about that. So I've kind of been looking for cars like in and around the $20,000 range. But you, we keep talking about the third gen Viper and it's like, maybe I just do it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like that would be cool.

[Kenan]

Third gen. Make a suggestion.

[Filippo]

We have a third gen Viper.

[Kenan]

But I have, I have reached out to sellers and stuff like, and I've talked to people.

[Doug DeMuro]

We're like, we're fun, we're wire, we're like, I'm ready.

[Filippo]

But the.

[Doug DeMuro]

Would you.

[Filippo]

This is not news to me. We've talked about this. But you also told me that you reached out to somebody that was selling it and you set up a meeting for two weeks. From that point, you're never going to get a car.

[Kenan]

It wasn't two weeks, it was three days later.

[Filippo]

But we'll move on. Felt like more.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can I make a suggestion? You're right. Today I was driving into the office in my Lamborghini.

[Kenan]

I haven't considered a Countach.

[Doug DeMuro]

There was a fellow at the fuel station there who was in an SL 64. Not a 55 but a 65. That's a Twin Turbo. Victory 12.

[Kenan]

Victory 12. That is what we call it in the industry.

[Doug DeMuro]

Let me tell you something. If you're in an SL65, what you call it, click on that one. This one we have the red interior. This is the coolest damn car in the world. You don't want one of these.

[Kenan]

I do. I'm just, I'm concerned about the maintenance cost. Even short term, having that V12 in your life.

[Doug DeMuro]

What if I offered. Oh, oh. To give you something towards the maintenance costs?

[Kenan]

What would you give me?

[Doug DeMuro]

It would be a twin turbo scale model.

[Kenan]

You know what? I do want that. I do want that. I do want this car. It's about double what I was looking to spend there you had to spend about 40 to get like an okay one. And they're just hard to. They didn't make many, so they're a little bit hard.

[Doug DeMuro]

But do you agree that it's double.

[Kenan]

The cool to me, yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

So you. It's a V12.

[Filippo]

The market agrees too.

[Doug DeMuro]

You want to go hard?

[Kenan]

Yeah, I. I'm not that little. I do want that car, that little scoop, the wheels.

[Doug DeMuro]

I saw this thing today when I was driving it. I was like, this is unbelievable.

[Kenan]

How I want to buy my uncles because he has one and it is perfect. But like, you know, maybe perfect isn't exactly. No, that's the thing. He won't get rid of it.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's.

[Kenan]

He has all these Ferraris and he's got that and he just.

[Filippo]

What about his favorite nephew?

[Kenan]

He likes it too much.

[Doug DeMuro]

Just consider it.

[Kenan]

I'll think more.

[Doug DeMuro]

What else are we looking at? Third gen Vipers.

[Kenan]

I started looking at. There's some 987 Caymans. I was. I had. I had looked at.

[Filippo]

Do love it.

[Kenan]

I've been like looking around. Yeah, it's a. It's a great car. But I worry about that. I get that then when I get the Boxer Spider, it won't feel as like. I. I don't know. It's like. I think I just want to save that for the Boxer Spider.

[Filippo]

Also not a convertible.

[Kenan]

I understand. But like, my point is the driving experience is not that different. And so I want to like. Yeah, I don't know if I want to see.

[Doug DeMuro]

But saving it for XYZ is kind of what's put you in this position today where you haven't had a lot of special cars. I know.

[Kenan]

I think the point is I want to get something I want. The Cayman's a bad example. I want. But I want a convertible. Ultimately. This is so cool and depressed that start and hear that sound.

[Doug DeMuro]

What if I could start a motorcycle.

[Filippo]

Manual Italian convertible today?

[Kenan]

Does it have trim falling off? Does it have. Does it have an armrest falling off?

[Filippo]

Yeah, it has the metal.

[Kenan]

There's one on the door.

[Filippo]

The armrest is still there.

[Doug DeMuro]

What is the status of this 500 Abarth? Are you. Have you sold this car yet?

[Filippo]

Well, no, because we're going to be using it in some soon to be announced videos.

[Doug DeMuro]

I. You got to get rid of this.

[Filippo]

I know. Our producer said I couldn't. I tried. Hey, Kenan, I got three keys.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's probably.

[Kenan]

I've used this key a couple of times.

[Doug DeMuro]

But. So we're looking and we're serious. So I know, so what's the plan? You're gonna, you're gonna buy it, you're gonna drive around a little. When do you think you'd drive an SL55 and not your M5? You walk the garage, you see an SL55 sitting there. You see, it's just like, it would.

[Kenan]

Be something I would just go back and forth between. Like, I don't think it's like a. I mean, I, I don't think there's any situation where I drive one or the other necessarily. It's just like, it'd be fun to still have something. Cruise to car, some coffee. I want something ideally that's not going to cost me a ton in maintenance. And the thing I'm going to have to temper is my constant desire to perfect, which is going to be really.

[Doug DeMuro]

Are you not concerned about the, you know, the car. The powertrain is reliable, but are you not concerned about the, the power top?

[Kenan]

That stuff is a concern, yes. Finding one with a top that functions is really important. Yeah, I am a little bit concerned about that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Or, you know what you could do? Get an SL65 Black Series.

[Kenan]

Oh, hard top already.

[Doug DeMuro]

You don't have to worry about any of that.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I mean, I consider the CL65 as well.

[Doug DeMuro]

Those are cool, but those are big money.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I feel like CL65s have like some real interest in the, in the, in the market.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Pull. Pull up. We got any sales?

[Kenan]

Yeah, I think we, I, I'm not.

[Filippo]

Sure we filled some there.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's. I guess it's not that much. 30 grand.

[Kenan]

30 grand? That's actually less in most cases.

[Doug DeMuro]

Buy this one. What's.

[Kenan]

Well, you missed it by, you know, 52,000 miles.

[Doug DeMuro]

Buy this one.

[Kenan]

Many months.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was August. No, it was two months ago. Send a message to the new owner. He hasn't had time to really get comfortable with it. Let's buy this car.

[Kenan]

Man, those wheels. Best wheels Mercedes ever put on any car, really.

[Filippo]

Everything we love like them.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, my God.

[Kenan]

Oh, my God. Those are the wheels.

[Doug DeMuro]

These are the, it's the great.

[Filippo]

I actively dislike them.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, this is the all time greatest factory wheel.

[Kenan]

Filippo, that wheel.

[Doug DeMuro]

Why?

[Kenan]

Because. Why is he doing this? He's afraid because it's looking him. It's gonna, it's gonna fire him right now. That wheel.

[Doug DeMuro]

Go back to the exterior shot of the car. Filippo. This wheel is, I think it is.

[Filippo]

An active detriment to the car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, my God. This is, this is. I've heard a lot of bad takes in my day. Most of them from Hoovy. And you're going to come here and say this on our podcast.

[Kenan]

I will not have such slander thrown at this wheel. This is one of the all time great wheels, period.

[Doug DeMuro]

Get Ryan Lopez in here. Okay, we gotta move on to the market report. Yeah, the market report, folks, is brought to you by Cars and Bids. That is the business that we're pedaling with this podcast.

[Filippo]

Okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

That is.

[Filippo]

I wish we would do a little better, actually.

[Doug DeMuro]

You think that we're just here podcasting. No, we have an agenda. We have a damn agenda. We want you to go to Cars and Bids, for God's sake. Anyway, it's a website where we sell and buy cars. I think we sell it.

[Kenan]

It's an app too.

[Doug DeMuro]

We sell them. I think we buy them. People buy them.

[Filippo]

We don't buy them. We connect buyers and sellers with the.

[Doug DeMuro]

You bought a car one time on this, twice. Anyway, that's what we're doing. And I want to talk about. A lot of times on the pod we lambast Filippo for not understanding what total cost of ownership means. And I was just thinking about it today. Yesterday, the great total cost of ownership car, the G63. Pull up G63, please.

[Filippo]

The values do not change.

[Doug DeMuro]

G63. We just sold this one. Click on this one. This car, how many miles did it have? This is a 15G63 with 120,000 miles. 115,000 miles. It still sells for $51,000. This is an 11 year old car with 115,000 miles. There are not a lot of 100, not a lot of 2015 cars with 150,000 miles that would sell for $51,000 of any make and model.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

Certainly Bentleys are cheaper from this era.

[Kenan]

Oh, absolutely.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I was just thinking this car, and it's also. This car is generally known to be reliable, unless you kind of go overboard maintaining it and do things that you shouldn't do up at shops up in North County. And I, I generally find that this car, aside from the fuel costs.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

That this car is a great total cost.

[Filippo]

Also, are we excluding fuel costs from customers ownership?

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, I think that fuel costs you have to because you probably have to spend in any car.

[Kenan]

So I mean, that's kind of just a given.

[Doug DeMuro]

You could calculate the difference between what this would be versus what other vehicle I guess you would buy.

[Filippo]

Right. The depreciation, the tire buying cost of a Prius is probably the amount of fuel you put in that car for 117,000 miles.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, yeah. By driving at 117,000 miles, sure. But if you wanted a car to drive for three years and put 15,000 miles on or something as like a fun extra car.

[Filippo]

Our producer has a G550 and a for a360. And the G550 is its least fuel efficient vehicle.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, right. I just think these cars, we've talked about this before. We've gone on G Wagon rants before. I just was surprised to see this result because this is a car that someone has really used. It's not a low mileage car, it's not an especially like pristine car, but it's still bringing $51,000. Think of it, you know what a 2015 Range Rover sells for, which was the same cost, new.

[Filippo]

12, 13. 12 13, yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

I mean, it's unbelievable. Even a Land Cruiser, which is so famous and all that a 15 Land Cruiser is now a 30 car. 35 maybe, if that.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

This must be the floor for this car, right?

[Doug DeMuro]

Maybe really early G55s are still 30s, so, yeah, probably. This doesn't get much cheaper.

[Kenan]

Love an early G55. I know the ride is rubbish, but man, they are really cool.

[Filippo]

We have one live right now.

[Doug DeMuro]

We have one live right now. A blown one with mods. Go. Wait, go back. Go back. Yeah, Mods.

[Filippo]

Let's see.

[Doug DeMuro]

Let's see some. Some stock. Let's see what some results have been.

[Kenan]

Give me a silver Stocky. This one.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wow.

[Kenan]

38.

[Filippo]

38. That one had miles.

[Doug DeMuro]

You didn't buy this?

[Filippo]

No, I'm not interested.

[Doug DeMuro]

You didn't buy this?

[Filippo]

Not interested.

[Doug DeMuro]

Why not? You think you're better than a G wagon?

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug DeMuro]

You think you're better than that?

[Filippo]

I think I'm not good enough.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, okay. Well.

[Kenan]

Well, that's a. I can't help you.

[Doug DeMuro]

Kenan, give us a market report.

[Kenan]

I recently discovered that we often talk about, like for BMWs. And I'm sorry to talk about BMW, but we often talk about the F10 M5 being a great value. Yeah, well, recently this M6 sold for $22,750. Now it was in Canada and had 68,000 miles on it, but that does not look like a $20,000 car to me. I didn't realize that M6s had started to dip there. I knew F10 M5s were in the 20 and 30 range, but I didn't realize these were low 20s.

[Doug DeMuro]

What?

[Kenan]

Gran Coupes, grand coupes, I believe are a little bit more. But I think that.

[Filippo]

There you go. They're 10,000 miles. Congratulations. Hey, Ken.

[Kenan]

171,000 miles.

[Doug DeMuro]

Go back, go back. What are they generally selling for? 30. They're a little more, it looks like they're mostly like high 20s, into the 30s, even the 40s.

[Kenan]

My point, like this is a much more exotic looking car than the F10, the M5.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, I agree. The F10, M5, that side shot, go back to that. That looks really athletic.

[Kenan]

That's really appealing.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know I drove one of these and guy had it Imperial beach and I did a video on it years ago and I thought it was really nice.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I think it's a great car. And like the interior still pretty modern and like, I don't know, I just like those cars are dipping into the low 20s and it seems to me.

[Doug DeMuro]

How some like modernish cars are now getting cheap. This doesn't look that different from a new, a new BMW interior.

[Kenan]

I don't really think the user experience is that much different. CarPlay. CarPlay.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Well, I think it has, I think.

[Doug DeMuro]

It does, but probably not wireless which is what Filippo like needs. He's, he's grown accustomed to it actually sadly.

[Filippo]

Basically model mark a GTIs have wired CarPlay.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wired CarPlay. Can I completely agree. I think it's a great value. It's a beautiful car. Fast. What is it, 500 horse?

[Filippo]

500. 560.

[Doug DeMuro]

They do have some issues with reliability.

[Kenan]

Well, that's every BMW ever made.

[Doug DeMuro]

Speaking of BMWs, Felipe, you have a market report for us?

[Filippo]

I do, but I don't want to talk speak about BMWs at all.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, go for it.

[Filippo]

Can we talk about. Let's go for Porsche Sanguave.

[Kenan]

That one. I still don't know how to type for a sangu.

[Filippo]

Okay, we just had one fail to me reserve. Yeah, it was interesting. I think there's been very few poor sangways on the secondary market. There were a couple when it first came out a year ago that sold for a little bit over msrp. Yeah, we're now a year in to these.

[Doug DeMuro]

We had one, right. Didn't we sell one for big money?

[Filippo]

I don't remember. Truly I don't remember. That's how much I think about pur sangas.

[Kenan]

Well, if purist over what was the.

[Doug DeMuro]

Circ on this one?

[Filippo]

The circuit on this was like 4990 ish and it had 2000 miles. Some of that turns out the market does not think these are worth like these are normal depreciating SUVs. They are not depreciating like the most desirable Ferraris.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was bid to 415.

[Filippo]

They're also not depreciating like the SF90, which is the fastest appreciating item.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, we'll see. I think it's a little too early to say how if it's appreciated, but.

[Filippo]

It is certainly not holding value like the most desirable Ferrari.

[Doug DeMuro]

But no surprise, I mean none of the SUVs ever have for any brand.

[Kenan]

Two plus two Ferrari has ever.

[Filippo]

True.

[Kenan]

And although this is a four door car, which is their first one, it's not a surprise.

[Doug DeMuro]

It is very cool when you look.

[Kenan]

At love this car.

[Doug DeMuro]

But Cullinan and Urus, you kind of, you kind of figured and then. Yeah, that's a good point. FF and GTC 4 Lusso and 612 and 456. All those, they all have always gotten, they've always tanked.

[Filippo]

But now we have evidence because there have been very few for sale. But now, now we know for sure.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. And. And I actually bet you that that when demand and supply catch up a little bit more on the new market, you're going to see even more significant appreciation on the used market. I think right now there are still some waiting lists. There are still excited people, There are people still who are kind of going after them and want them and all that, which is probably pushing used demand up a little bit. I think that it's going to change. I have a suspicion that in a couple of more years these are going to really, really start to see a bigger depreciation.

[Filippo]

They become appealing at some price point.

[Kenan]

I think it's appealing full stop.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think it's the best suv, best driving SUV ever, ever been in.

[Filippo]

Really? Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

But it better be with a 490 sticker or whatever that was. It's amazing. It is. That car is such an athlete. That car is such an athlete. That car makes the career GT look like a career gt. Yeah. Okay, it's time for the questions, folks. The questions. This is very important to us because it's the only time when you get to communicate directly with Filippo. That's so true. It's the only time when you're able to block yourself off. Yeah. Filipo is in a silo. He's. He's in a silo of stone.

[Kenan]

We just power him down.

[Filippo]

Can I be. Is that an option?

[Doug DeMuro]

There's no wifi in there.

[Filippo]

Oh, nevermind. Not interested in.

[Doug DeMuro]

He's in a silo of stone.

[Filippo]

Have we found a way to have flack?

[Doug DeMuro]

But when the questions come, it is your opportunity to directly. Now when he communicates with you, you can't talk back. You can't ask a follow up. That's what I'm here for. So if you want to ask a question, you go to carsandbids.com you click on the community tab. There's a post here that says question. And then you post your question. People have been submitting tons and tons of questions. It's lovely questions. And I go through now all the questions and find the ones that I think are the most interesting. We're gonna start with Lucas Zanger. You think that's his real name?

[Kenan]

I think it's an alias.

[Doug DeMuro]

Hey Doug, we love Nick. Please add another chair and make him a permanent member of the pod. Well, Lucas, we're not doing that for a couple reasons including the fact that Nick has a job. He's not employed here. He just shows up sometimes. He just shows. I was filming the other day.

[Kenan]

We.

[Doug DeMuro]

30 minutes from his house. I was telling the other day and he texted me, said, hey, I'm here. No one else. It was just me in the office. I hadn't invited him.

[Filippo]

I'm so glad he.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I was like, Nick, I'm shooting audio. I'm not, I'm sorry. I got. You got to wait. That was, that was my Nick experience.

[Filippo]

I will say good, Nick, Good news for everybody. We have a couple of non overlapping trips coming up. You're gone, I'm gone. Kenan's gone, somebody else is gone.

[Kenan]

I'm not.

[Filippo]

I'm doing it podcast and Nick will be here filling it.

[Doug DeMuro]

So that's what I was going to say. So we can't add Nick because he has a job, but I think the next four podcasts in a row. Yeah, and then there's also some our, our libel and slander insurance cover. We can only have him on once a month. No, the next four podcasts we have Nick because I'm gone for two and then you're gone for two. And so Nick is going to be sitting in this chair or that chair or some chair, A chair. Talking to people and it's going to be great. So I can't make him permanent, but I can make him semi permanent. You're going to have a November of Nick, Nick. Nickvember and also two weeks in October. Okay, next question from Rogue Papaya. Hey, Doug, what enthusiast slash supercars do you recommend for taller drivers? As a fellow 6 foot 4 inch tall guy and by the way, in meters, that's 26. Many of my. I don't know how they do it over there. Many of my favorite cars seem to be feasible as a weekend. Don't seem feasible as a weekend car, let alone a daily driver. I'd like to avoid the Mr. Incredible look if possible. You know where he's like crammed. I actually never have had problems in any car except the Ferrari Boxer and the saline S7.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Those are great.

[Filippo]

It depends on how your height is distributed.

[Doug DeMuro]

It depends on how your height is distributed. I've never had issues.

[Kenan]

I have to say. I've been in both of those cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

And you.

[Kenan]

Even I at six feet tall had problems.

[Doug DeMuro]

Those are tight. So don't get those. But the ones to get. I don't know. I, I, I truly have never really had issues in fitting into basically any vehicle.

[Filippo]

I don't know. I'm five eight.

[Doug DeMuro]

I, you just hop right in.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

So that's my answer is I, I. The way that I am configured. I, it's, it's, it is interesting getting.

[Filippo]

Into a car after you.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Cuz you are legitimately 8 inches taller than me.

[Doug DeMuro]

Uh huh.

[Filippo]

I don't have to move the seat generally.

[Doug DeMuro]

Dude. I sit close. I'm like a race car driver. You ever see Mario Andretti? He doesn't, he's not doing one of these. Mario Andretti is up there. All right. I like to zip around him like Kenneth.

[Kenan]

I do like to sit close. Same thing. I don't have to move the seat when you drive a car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Boom. Sorry for not giving you a better answer. Rogue papaya. Okay, here's a good question from broke med student 8830. The three of you are given $250,000 with the stipulation that you can only use it to purchase one enthusiast car that you share.

[Filippo]

Oh.

[Kenan]

Oh dear.

[Doug DeMuro]

What would you agree on? I don't usually like these. You have X number of dollars and whatever questions. I usually skip them because it just gets. But this is a good one. We have to agree on something.

[Filippo]

I know what Ken's gonna say.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. Salvage title four GT.

[Filippo]

Ken's gonna say a Z8.

[Kenan]

No. The Z8's also 128,000.

[Filippo]

What about a nice Z8?

[Doug DeMuro]

What about out a 993?

[Filippo]

Yeah. That might be the answer.

[Doug DeMuro]

Really surprising that.

[Filippo]

How much is an Elmo too?

[Kenan]

Six cylinders.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Let's pick something more exciting.

[Doug DeMuro]

You can't get into Lamu for 250. What about a 5.75?

[Filippo]

That's half the price.

[Doug DeMuro]

All day.

[Kenan]

That's half the price.

[Doug DeMuro]

Swap it.

[Kenan]

Stick a good swamp 575.

[Filippo]

That's still half the price.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. Well you don't have to use every.

[Kenan]

Penny or you get a Super America with no swab. Do that for 250. Would you do that?

[Filippo]

I would like the top to work.

[Kenan]

So Volvo.

[Doug DeMuro]

Too expensive.

[Kenan]

Those are way too expensive.

[Filippo]

A 4 GT is not a bad. Can you find anything salvage?

[Doug DeMuro]

No.

[Filippo]

Are we. Are we past the 250 days?

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, yeah. I don't even think you can find a salvage. But I'm. I would. If. If you wanted to go with that, I would go with that and we could move on.

[Filippo]

Mercy would be eager.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, yeah. What about a swappy swap?

[Filippo]

Maybe a swapped.

[Doug DeMuro]

Mercy, you'd have to buy.

[Filippo]

You have to buy. Swap it and then you're towing around there.

[Kenan]

That. I would do that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Would you do that?

[Filippo]

No, you're right. Good point.

[Doug DeMuro]

What about a 575?

[Kenan]

You're gonna have to.

[Filippo]

I would do a 575.

[Doug DeMuro]

What about a 612?

[Kenan]

Oh, yeah, but that's 75.

[Doug DeMuro]

Six one.

[Kenan]

That's okay. It's 900.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, fine. Do a Novatech body kit.

[Kenan]

Never mind.

[Doug DeMuro]

We're off. 612.

[Kenan]

What else? Diablo you can get for 250, right?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. What about Diablo?

[Filippo]

No, thank you. Not interested.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, well, this is the problem.

[Kenan]

You're the problem.

[Doug DeMuro]

So what's wrong with 575? Why didn't you agree?

[Filippo]

No, no, I. I did.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right. We're doing 570.

[Kenan]

575 and a bunch of.

[Filippo]

Why not a 993?

[Doug DeMuro]

Come on. For 250?

[Filippo]

What? What like desirable 97 do you get for 250?

[Doug DeMuro]

All of them spikers are 996 GT2.

[Filippo]

Spiker.

[Kenan]

Too much 996 GT2.

[Filippo]

Okay.

[Kenan]

Oh, yeah.

[Filippo]

Great.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, wow.

[Kenan]

I do.

[Doug DeMuro]

I mean, not more than Porsche guys.

[Filippo]

No. But I could become one.

[Kenan]

Just you.

[Filippo]

I'm waiting for. Wait. G Wagon Cabriolet.

[Kenan]

No, not for 250. He wouldn't do it for 250.

[Doug DeMuro]

I wouldn't even. No, I wouldn't even consider it. You have more fun in your life than that. Okay, next question. From CX Niner Rank Emily's car history. Oh, great question. Emily is Ken's fictional girlfriend.

[Filippo]

Yeah, that's.

[Doug DeMuro]

And we did an office tour many, many moons ago. And I announced that Kenan would sometimes times shack up here with Emily. I don't remember.

[Kenan]

No, I would sleep kicked me out.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right, right. But you know, sometimes one thing leads to another and the opposite happens. Anyway, Emily drives an M3 CRT. And for those of you who don't know what that is. Emily knows. What did Emily have before the M3 CRT? Kenner?

[Filippo]

I assume an Audi Q5.

[Kenan]

She had an E46 M3. Before that? Oh, yeah, yeah, she had a CSL.

[Doug DeMuro]

And before that she had the E36 M3 with the. With the flag on the lightweight.

[Kenan]

Before that it was 30M3.

[Doug DeMuro]

The. The Evo.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Kenan]

The Ricardo portrait or whatever. One of the limited editions.

[Doug DeMuro]

She only does really rare M3s.

[Kenan]

No, there was an E30 M3. Convertible.

[Doug DeMuro]

Is real.

[Kenan]

And she only owns the best.

[Doug DeMuro]

She only owns the best. But she. She. But the thing is, the F80 never gave her what she wanted.

[Kenan]

No, she only wanted NA engines. And so she stopped at the M3.

[Doug DeMuro]

Stopped at. She wanted a carbon fiber trunk lid.

[Kenan]

And she wanted red accents.

[Doug DeMuro]

I forget about the red accents. I always forget about the stupid red accents. So. Okay, next question from Henry jh. A simple question. Just hopefully stoke your interest in motorcycles. How does it feel that my $8,000 motorcycle is faster than your career? GT Fine. Speed is about 87th on my list of things that I'm interested in. And you have not stoked my interest in motorcycles. In fact, if anything, you have terrified me even more. That you can buy for $8,000amotorcycle that is faster than Crazy Pro. All motorcycles are incredibly fast. Harleys are faster than, like every car. And they're Harley. They're little and they got big engines.

[Kenan]

Yeah, they go really fast and they don't weigh anything.

[Doug DeMuro]

But I don't want to die. And if you have a motorcycle, you will die. Am I wrong?

[Filippo]

You're like 100%.

[Kenan]

We also die with cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Dude, we're bamming through these. We're going to get to Every question from Knox2. How? This has been maybe a longer question. How is Infiniti still in business? I hardly ever see new Infinitis on the road. They discontinued the QX50 and the QX55. They're SUVs, so they're down to only two models now, which I didn't even. Just the QX80. And what. How do they maintain a dealer network at this point? Is there anything you think they could do to save themselves?

[Filippo]

They are coming out with a lot of additional products.

[Doug DeMuro]

But they were all going to be electric.

[Filippo]

No, no, no. They're part of Nissan's revamped roadmap that we talked about a few months ago. Includes some actual.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't really know the answer to this question either, to be honest. How they're still around.

[Filippo]

I look when you're an automaker, it's really tough to decide to give up all of that brand equity. And also you have contracts with a lot of dealers and suppliers and factories. And it's a big decision to wind it down because you are fundamentally saying we never think this is going to work again, we're never going to try this again. And also it's a giant fu to a whole lot of people. People that trusted in your brand.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And then built dealerships, follow the brand guidelines, built parts for you, etc.

[Doug DeMuro]

I would argue and I get why.

[Kenan]

They don't wall for a long.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're getting to that point. You might not be quite there yet cuz QX80 is new and it's. I've seen more of around than I expected. But you're getting to that point. You're getting.

[Filippo]

No, agreed.

[Kenan]

This is the signal, Jerry. This is the signal.

[Doug DeMuro]

I mean like it. It. You know, when you can't. When you can't even sell a midsize SUV or a mid. Small Q5 size. Size. That's the, the, that's the market. You got to wonder is the. Is. Is. Will there ever be interested buyers for this brand ever again? Will there ever be a market that really wants these cars ever again?

[Filippo]

It's impressive that they have failed so spectacularly at building a luxury mainstream brand when they had fundamentally built one. The G35 was really popular. G37 was popular.

[Doug DeMuro]

The FX was never popular, but it was huge. You weren't even in America at the time. You didn't see any in Italy. Well, of course you didn't.

[Filippo]

I think they have to hope that they can revitalize it. But I would not be shocked if they realized, you know.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know something that hit me that I found kind of interesting is the new Pathfinder in the new Armada. I think are segment leaders.

[Filippo]

Got it. I truly. Separate segments.

[Kenan]

Yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. I truly believe that in their segments those cars, I think the Pathfinder isn't maybe quite as good as Telluride Palisade, but I would put it in telling top five and I would put Armada in top two.

[Filippo]

Well, there's three entrants in the class.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, I mean you have Tahoe, Yukon Expedition and Sequoia and Grand Wagoneer. And I would argue legitimately that in spite of that no one is buying those cars. And so you start to wonder what would be required for people to do that. And with Infiniti especially, moving beyond Nissan, with Infiniti especially, what would it take? Do you know what I mean? The Pathfinder is a great vehicle and people aren't buying it because the Nissan brand is so sullied. The Infiniti brand is even more sullied. What would it take? They could make the best car in the segment. And it's still not that desirable to people because they don't want an infiniti.

[Filippo]

And the QX60 looks good. It's the other model they sell looks good. And it's based on their moda.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's based on the Pathfinder.

[Filippo]

That's what I meant. Sorry.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. And it. Presumably it is good for that reason.

[Filippo]

And it looks nice. It's surprising they're not more successful. Successful. They haven't invested that heavily in that. Marketing the brand, I don't think.

[Doug DeMuro]

Or, or creating good cars for the brand. But I truly, truly wonder, like at some point do you sit here and say, no matter what we invested the reputation and the brand and the desirability has. Is just too far gone?

[Filippo]

Yeah. And then at that point you cut. I mean, they sold 58, 000 cars last year, 10% down from 2023. That's notable. Can you turn that around or can you sustain it? And then those numbers. Maybe, maybe.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's basically a US only brand too. They. They already tried and failed in Europe.

[Kenan]

Leo's looking at a graph. A lot of red on that graph.

[Filippo]

They've been around. I mean, in 2022 they only sold 46,000 cars. They were in the one in the mid-1002.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. I'd be curious though. I don't really trust this whole sales figures thing. I had a fight with a Buick guy one time about this. I don't really trust the sales figures. I want to see sales figures.

[Filippo]

This is from our friends at Good Car.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want to see sales figures that aren't fleet sales. I want to see sales figures that aren't fleet sales, which are generally either fraud, profitless or really close to profit for infinity.

[Filippo]

You're rounding the zero.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's the thing. And that is a different conversation. Okay, next question from Julian275. By the way, the answer to this question, before I even ask it from me and Kenan is no, none. But Felipe will have an answer modification.

[Kenan]

What is it?

[Doug DeMuro]

After having RJ scaringe on the podcast he runs the Rivian folks. Do you have any desire to have more automotive figures or CEOs on who would be your dream guest? No, none. Filippo. Who?

[Filippo]

Yeah, it was. I found it really enjoyable to talk to rj. I think our audience found it really enjoyable to Talk they did based on numbers. So I would love to have more of those conversations. I think Jim Farley is the most enthusiastic CEO right now. And I said that would be an interesting conversation.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do you agree that we reach out CEO or nothing?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

So if, if, if, if Honda came to us and was like, you can talk to our head of product planning to explain why we're such little careful.

[Filippo]

Not interested.

[Doug DeMuro]

Big no.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want the Japanese fella and a translator.

[Filippo]

Yep. I only want the top.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's true.

[Filippo]

He may speak English, but.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. Don't you think?

[Kenan]

Stefan Winkleman. Yeah, bring him in.

[Doug DeMuro]

Don't you think that our pod deserves the top? Yeah.

[Kenan]

Yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

We've.

[Kenan]

We've been there. We've been to the, the Zenith already.

[Doug DeMuro]

This isn't, this isn't like, like a pod that Hoovy does where he can inter, he can interview like come kind of a, you know, the fellow who's been, who's been, you know, designing radio head units at Chrysler in the 90s.

[Kenan]

I mean you get hard to get people to go to Wichita, so. Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

I only want the top. So if you're an automaker. Mary Barra or nothing.

[Filippo]

Mary Bar I would talk to. But less interesting. Why I think that there is a little. There's certain we're an enthusiast podcast. There are a couple CEOs that are very much car enthusiasts where I think that conversation.

[Doug DeMuro]

You don't think Mary Bar. She's spent her whole life in the biz, dude. She ZR1X.

[Filippo]

I think she, like me, is a car industry enthusiast. Others like Jim Farley, I think is a car enthusiast. Who's in that?

[Kenan]

We have a formal can. We have L Demons.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want Mary Bara on and I want to quiz her back in front about Caprice. That's all I want to talk about Caprice Classic, the newest Caprice. The, the police. Only one. And I don't want to go into ss. I don't care about that. Okay. And by the way, John Elkin, you make an interesting point about Sergio Marchione.

[Filippo]

If he came back from the dead, I would.

[Doug DeMuro]

Jesus Christ.

[Kenan]

Luke is alive.

[Filippo]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Doug DeMuro]

You make an interesting point about Jim Farley. However, I would also posit to you that Mary Barra. Jim Farley's Ford. Right. Ford, Ford, Ford. Mary Barra. It's General Motors. There's like a bunch of brands, not just Ford. She's got. She can talk to us about Holden, she can talk to us about Opal. She can talk to us about Pontiac. She can talk to us about Saturn.

[Filippo]

Not part of the family anymore. I'm really sorry. Damn.

[Doug DeMuro]

I was really getting on this dead brain list and I screwed up.

[Filippo]

I would talk to.

[Doug DeMuro]

That is not a Toyota. They just sold it to somebody else. God knows who.

[Filippo]

That's ath.

[Doug DeMuro]

Maybe she can tell us why they sold it.

[Filippo]

Well, we all know why they sold it. Why did S buy it? That's a real question.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, I have to do two more questions. Yeah. Are you ready for them?

[Kenan]

Ready.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. Oh, here's a good one for Kennen. Hey, Doug, what is your craziest story of getting pulled over by a cop? Do cops ever pull you over in cool cars just to check them out or because they realize it's you? No, not really. But Kenan has some good police interactions.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I've been pulled over three times ever.

[Doug DeMuro]

Really?

[Kenan]

Twice for speed, once for some reason I'm still not sure about.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, wow. Give us that one.

[Kenan]

That one. I was coming home. I was close to our neighborhood, which is in a relatively nice area. And the window's down. I was driving the M5. Just gotten off the highway. It was a nice summer night. Blew my down. I go, and I. Like, I'm driving, and all of a sudden, this cop car just spins around to follow me. Now, as I'm driving through, there's a kind of weird road, and there's another car in my lane coming directly at me. Like, flashed and laid on the horn. They dove over. Cop didn't turn his lights on. I go around the corner. Like, I'm going, I have to go to our neighbor. Cop turns his lights on, pulls me over, and they come up to me and they go, the reason I'm pulling over is for window tint, which windows were down. So, like, I'll get to that in a second. But did you not see the guy who was in my lane? They were like, no. I'm like, are you blind? Like, it was. I was upset. And then I said, I also. I said, what are you pulling me over again? They said, window tint. I went, really? And the guy got all flustered. He's like, oh, we gotta run your license.

[Doug DeMuro]

Did he have a tint meter?

[Kenan]

No. And then one guy came.

[Doug DeMuro]

One guy.

[Kenan]

The other. There were two cops. The other guy came up in here. He said, hey, man, I just want. I really like Creed 39mm. And then they realized I was in a nice. That I said I was. Where are you going? I'm going home. It's literally up there. And they're like, oh, okay, no problem.

[Filippo]

This is recent.

[Doug DeMuro]

They wanted to see.

[Kenan]

This was a year and a half ago too.

[Doug DeMuro]

They wanted to see if you were dui and you know what? Good call on their part.

[Filippo]

How fast were you going on the highway before?

[Kenan]

I wasn't. That was the thing. And they didn't see me on the highway as it was. It was like off the street. I could tell you what street it was.

[Doug DeMuro]

What were the speeds you got pulled over for back when you got speeding tickets? One was.

[Kenan]

Was 85 and a 65. And the comp told me if you. He said, quote, if you're doing 80, I would have let you go.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Which is 15 over, which is still.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but there's so many people doing 85. It makes sense.

[Kenan]

I know, but he's like. But he also very complimentary on the car. He. This is a really nice car. I understand why you're going so fast.

[Doug DeMuro]

And then.

[Kenan]

And the first time was. It was my friend Adrian. I was much younger, and I accelerated underneath the tunnel, and there's a cop right there, and he got me and Same thing. It was like, it's really cool. And they said, next time, just put it in neutral and you can rev. There's no, like, you can do that. So I saw him a couple weeks later, cop coming. I like, put a neutral and just took it right up to red line. You, like, gave me a lot of cops are car people in the end.

[Doug DeMuro]

Got pulled over that one time.

[Filippo]

I did get pulled over that I was about to say, I've never been pulled over.

[Doug DeMuro]

I pulled over that one ticket. There was no front plate.

[Filippo]

Yep. And the guy. I let him know that I. I was waiting on, like, the plate frame from which I was. And then he just said, okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

And you know what? To flip his credit, he now has a front. I do.

[Filippo]

I legitimately did have a front plate.

[Doug DeMuro]

And remember, he mounted it before he cleaned the bumper, so underneath it, there's all sorts of. Of bugs.

[Filippo]

Uhhuh. What's the problem with that?

[Doug DeMuro]

What's the problem? I don't understand.

[Kenan]

You just don't.

[Filippo]

The front of my car is ppf, so we're good.

[Kenan]

It hurts me how little, you know, that paint care.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. Plastic. Between the paint and the bugs, I've gotten pulled over a bunch of times. But it's all worked out. What's the final. I don't have any great stories. The final question is from AJP K. Doug, can you talk about your employment with Enterprise Rent a Car? Did you know I used to work for Enterprise Rent a Car.

[Filippo]

I did know that. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. What was your position? What was your experience? What did you like and dislike and did you leave because of your job offer from Porsche? No. Enterprise Rent A Car was a summer job that I had in the summer of 08. Summer of 08 I was home from college. Maybe I was seven. Anyway, doesn't matter. I was home from college. College. And that was my job. Yeah, some of it was 7.08was.

[Filippo]

What was your job at Enterprise?

[Doug DeMuro]

I was a driver. So I. When they needed. Because Enterprise's big thing was they would pick you up.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And so I would go pick people up at their house and then bring them to the store so they could do all the paperwork and then they'd have their car. Or I would. If a car like someone was. Had rented a luxury and it was across town, I would go with another driver, go pick it up and then bring it back to our location before they came.

[Filippo]

That must have been thrilling to drive all those 20.

[Doug DeMuro]

We'll take a guess. So it was, it was 07, 08 somewhere in there. I can't remember if it was 07 or 08, but it was. It was right in there. There were two cars that we were all really excited for.

[Filippo]

Cts.

[Doug DeMuro]

Three cars we're all really excited to drive.

[Filippo]

Cadillac cts.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, I don't think maybe, maybe the new. It was a new CTS ago, but.

[Filippo]

It came out in. Was a new. I meant the gen before, but we.

[Doug DeMuro]

Didn'T have the previous gen for sure. I think the new one had just.

[Kenan]

Come out where Escalades, the luxury car.

[Filippo]

We didn't have anything like SUVs weren't as popular yet.

[Doug DeMuro]

This was, this was. The rental car companies have really gone into this luxury game. But at least back then we didn't.

[Filippo]

Have any Lincoln Town Car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Maybe you know, Ford was hooked up with Hertz.

[Filippo]

Oh, that's true.

[Doug DeMuro]

Because Ford, it owned Hertz. And so I don't know that we had. We had Fords because you had have them. But it wasn't like there were Expeditions and stuff.

[Filippo]

But Avalon, the number one car that.

[Doug DeMuro]

I was excited to drive, which I. I got drive maybe three times all summer. Maxima was really hot. The new Maxima with the coin slot roof had just come out in like 04. And that was 265 horse. That was cool as hell. The G35, which was brand whether Infinity.

[Filippo]

Put those in fleets or not. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Then it was brand new. Then it had just been redesigned for like 07.08 and that was the car most excited to drive, but also the Chrysler 300. Oh, I forgot about that. How did I forget about that car? This was the first gen 300, the very OG. And the base models were trash, but we had a few 300Cs with 5.7 hemi. And that was the most exciting experience of my life. Dang. Driving one of those. I still remember some of my drives in the G35s and the Chrysler 3 hundreds. How excited I was at that time.

[Kenan]

How cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

And those were the cars. It was not that cool. Mostly we were driving really bad. This was the era where Chrysler had the Dodge Avenger and the Zbrush, and those were the worst cars in the world.

[Filippo]

They were tough, tough. And the Caliber, don't forget about the caliber.

[Doug DeMuro]

Caliber was the patriot, the compass. We had all those. Those were all. That was like the bulk. The Saturn view that was built in Mexico. The bad second unsaturated view. Maybe they were all built in Mexico. Anyway, that was my job. And I only did it for a summer. And I didn't go back after that. The next year I worked as, as a. At the Ferrari dealer in a similar job. That was a big jump. Yeah. And then. And that was that. What was your summer job?

[Filippo]

I worked all year. All right. I worked at a Subway Santa shop for years. I also painted houses all summer.

[Doug DeMuro]

She's an Italian. Bulgarilli over here paints houses. You would come home from school on the east coast and you'd go back to Wisconsin and what did you do there? That was where you painted houses.

[Filippo]

Oh, in college I painted houses in high school. In college I had like various internships and like, more academic.

[Doug DeMuro]

You never went back to Wisconsin?

[Filippo]

I went back to Wisconsin. I worked at the Department of Public Instruction as an intern for a summer.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is a school.

[Filippo]

This is the public state agency that runs schools.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And I also worked at the Value Added Research center, which is a different, like, UW Madison affiliated education research thing that same summer.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is Filippo's previous life.

[Kenan]

One summer I was in Philly, it feels like. So when you weren't at school, you were doing school based business?

[Filippo]

I worked at education. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Your summer jobs, did you ever work in the car world? I never had a job that wasn't in car.

[Kenan]

No, I. I had my own, like. Like through high school, I had my own, like, lawn care thing. That's what I did. I've mowed lawns and like, for a bunch of different people.

[Doug DeMuro]

Did you, did you tow a lawn thing, like a trailer of lawn equipment? Behind.

[Kenan]

I did not do that. It was all low. It was all local stuff.

[Doug DeMuro]

But like.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it was like. Yeah, I had like a lawn tractor drive over, do the thing. I had all my still equipment and all that stuff would do. I really. And I just love the precision of it. And you can imagine how straight those lines are.

[Doug DeMuro]

Fun fact about.

[Filippo]

About Kenan, that I will reveal on your behalf. When you would like do your chores and vacuum a rug or like a room that had carpet, there would be like the beautiful carpet lines, right?

[Kenan]

No, I just dislike that. That's for lawns. All right.

[Filippo]

Apologies.

[Kenan]

I hate that I. When I see it on cars, it bothers me. I hate that.

[Filippo]

Really. But for lawns, it's okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Lawns is where it belongs.

[Doug DeMuro]

Interesting. Like baseball. Like baseball outfields.

[Kenan]

Yeah, that's the appropriate application of that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Striping. My enterprise days were in Denver, United States.

[Filippo]

A lot of straight suburban roads to deliver cars across.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, no, it was. And I remember there were some crazy incidents. Some people were nuts. One time there was a stolen car and they were like, go. Go over to where the guy's address is and see if you can find it. And I was like, cuz people would steal. Stop paying. And we did do that, but we didn't find it nor did we look hard. Okay.

[Filippo]

The best.

[Doug DeMuro]

Got anything else?

[Kenan]

I think that's all for now.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do we have anything to plug?

[Kenan]

Just Cars and bids.

[Doug DeMuro]

Know like we all know about the damn website. Cars.

[Kenan]

Cars. Today's episode brought to you by Filippo's green corduroy jacket it has on the side for some reason.

[Doug DeMuro]

Cars and bids. Bring the trailer. We all know. Bring the trailer.

[Kenan]

I said that accidentally the other day and we're just going to use that now. Bring the trailer. Bring Facebook, that. That face thing.

[Doug DeMuro]

But nothing else. There's nothing else to add. We're not. We're not telling people to meet us anywhere. We don't have any events coming up.

[Filippo]

We have a. We'll be at a bunch of different events. We'll have members of our team, including an event in the Bay Area this week. Go to cars and bits.com events to find out everywhere they will be.

[Doug DeMuro]

Carsandbids.com events. Goodbye everyone. Absolute pleasure.

[Kenan]

Best podcast we've ever done. Goodbye.

[Doug DeMuro]

Sam.