Hoovies Garage Joins! New McLaren SUV, Ford Lightning Canceled & CarMax Collapse?

Summary

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THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends

Episode: Hoovies Garage Joins! New McLaren SUV, Ford Lightning Canceled & CarMax Collapse?

Date: November 14, 2025
Host: Doug DeMuro
Guests: Nick, Hoovie (Tyler Hoover)

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Episode Overview

This lively episode brings YouTube creator Tyler Hoover (“Hoovie’s Garage”) into the studio with Doug and Nick (Kenan and Filippo are absent, to Doug’s mock disappointment). Over the course of the conversation, they buzz through hot news stories like the new Kia Telluride, McLaren’s SUV plans, the Ford Lightning’s rumored cancellation, the CarMax downturn, current car market observations, and answer audience questions. The trio’s chemistry delivers a blend of expertise, personal anecdotes, car nerd banter, and candid opinions about beloved—and infamous—cars.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. The New Kia Telluride and Three-Row SUVs

Timestamps: 00:09 – 04:12

• Suburbia Gold: Nick predicts Telluride will keep its crown with families, even at a rumored $10K markup. He and Doug note people are still paying over sticker for Toyota Siennas—with Nick saying, “Unless you have 100 grand plus or want an EV… if you want gas… this is the answer.”
• Design Trends: Doug praises Kia for going bold and boxy, saying, “Everyone else… did little touches… Kia just went and made the car look boxy” (02:03).
• Palisade vs. Telluride: Friendly rivalry over which is better, with Hoovie repping the Palisade.
• Aging American SUVs: Discussion about the resilience of old GMT800 Escalades and Tahoe/Yukons—engines still run even as the rest falls apart.
• Quip of the Segment:
  • Hoovie, on deactivated engines: “This is America, guzzling that gas” (03:22).

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2. McLaren’s New Halo Car and the SUV Party

Timestamps: 04:14 – 08:21

• The McLaren SUV: Nick lays out the gossip—McLaren’s upcoming 900hp supercar and plug-in hybrid SUV, apparently aiming at the Cayenne Turbo.
• SUVs from Exotics: Doug and Nick are skeptical about the success of exotics’ SUVs. Doug notes that Lotus’s Eletre EV SUV flopped due to price and US tariffs, and Hoovie notes most exotics’ SUV attempts end up “not translating their design language well.”
• On Proportion Sins: Nick: “The cardinal sin everyone does is just trying to take their car and lift it... the proportions don’t work” (07:14).
• Plug-in Hybrid Blues: All agree McLaren’s SUV will have to be a PHEV—“or it’s a failure.”
• Bantery Quotes:
  • “Every vehicle after 2008 is dead to me.” —Nick (06:30)
  • “If Ferrari did it, then no one has to have any shame about trying anymore.” —Nick (06:51)

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3. Spiker Comeback, Collector Car Trends & Burying Lemons

Timestamps: 11:03 – 14:28

• Spyker’s Resurrection: Nick celebrates Spyker’s potential reboot, calling them “cooler than Koenigsegg or Pagani…pre-2008 is my jam.” Hoovie prefers a gated R8 over a Spyker, arguing Spyker’s features are more “gimmick.”
• Burying Lemons: Hoovie regales with stories about burying a ruined car for YouTube and the audience backlash—“That car could have fed all the starving kids in Africa.”
• Classic Ownership Woes: The trio joke about bad cars—Rolls-Royces, Arnages, and Silver Seraphs that never run right.

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4. Ford Lightning "Canceled"? Towing Reality, Viral Videos, and EV Market

Timestamps: 15:36 – 24:02

• Lightning Doom: Wall Street Journal reports the Lightning is on the chopping block, with only 1,300 sales vs 100,000 regular F150s.
• Hoovie’s Infamy: Hoovie became news fodder after his viral video towing (poorly) with a Lightning. He recalls being featured on “Sean Hannity, Newsmax, Alex Jones…” Doug asks, “Do you have any regrets about your role in killing the American auto industry?” Hoovie quips, “They did a good job themselves” (18:11).
• EVs and Use Case: Consensus that hybrids like the Maverick make sense, but full-EV pickups flop due to poor range—especially in winter.
• Maybach/Mercedes EV Price Cuts: The EQS Maybach plummeting $50K in price, “possibly the hardest new Mercedes-Benz at all to sell” (21:00).
• Market Saturation: Everyone agrees that, as exciting as EVs seemed, many are poor value, and the market is correcting.
• Dealer “advice”: Hoovie dryly shares: “Get gap insurance and you point it toward a tree…” (21:30).

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5. Jeep 392’s Return & The Special Edition Carousel

Timestamps: 24:19 – 26:34

• Jeep Drama: Wrangler 392 is back, with a $20K price drop to $82K and a new “12 for 12” special-edition-a-month gimmick.
• Car Industry's Old Habits: Doug: “Chrysler was going EV… Now they’ve axed that. The CEO’s gone. Let’s go back to what we do best—big engines and special editions.”
• Real-Life Wranglers: Family stories, grandpa’s (“pa’s”) 392, and high school Jeep memories.

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6. CarMax Collapse, Changing Used-Car Market & Old Dealer Tales

Timestamps: 26:47 – 33:13

• CarMax Troubles: Doug notes CarMax’s stock down 58%. Hoovie, an ex-employee, recalls its creation by Circuit City and the “no haggle” culture that didn’t go over well in Kansas.
• Competitive Landscape: Carvana now beats CarMax on trade-in offers (“wherever they get their magic money from,” Hoovie jokes) and easier online sales.
• Customer Anecdotes: Nick: “I’m just into lowballing… carmax goes against my religion” (32:24).

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7. Supercar Market—The Big Four Gathered

Timestamps: 42:00 – 44:44

• Supercar Reunion: Doug, Nick, and friends gathered Enzo, Carrera GT, SLR, and Ford GT for a dream photo (42:10). Regrets were aired over past sales. Nick calls Hoovie’s SLR sale “the most CarMax mentality ever.”
• Values, Memories, & Speculator Blues: Reflection on meteoric value rises—except the SLR.
• Generational Icons: Discussion that, despite production numbers, some cars—like 300SL and F40—remain transcendent icons.

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8. 300SL Gullwing—Ownership, Running Costs, and Enjoyment

Timestamps: 35:00 – 41:36

• Hoovie’s New Prize: He describes the joy (and cost) of owning and driving a Gullwing regularly—including a rally with a “bunch of people over 80 and an ex-F1 driver egging him on” (37:40).
• Financial Real Talk: Repair costs aren’t as huge as one might think. “Full retail on what they did would barely be six figures,” says Hoovie.
• Why Keep It? For the pure joy—“I’m done being Mr. Speculator…this was my dream car.”

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9. Press Trips, Car Rallies, and Saying No in Automotive Media

Timestamps: 49:10 – 57:45

• Doug’s Philosophy: Doug reveals he now prioritizes family over press events, describing a shift from “yes to everything” to picking his kids’ pumpkin patch over Veyron rallies (57:37).
• Hoovie’s Outlook: He says “yes” to wild experiences, but admits to missing time with family.
• Running Gag: Nick and Hoovie roast Doug for his blunt “no” responses to invitations.

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10. The Return of the P38, New Old SUVs, and the Nostalgia SUV Crew

Timestamps: 59:42 – 64:32

• Nick’s Big Reveal: Nick is gifted a P38 Range Rover from a fan—“It was free. I paid shipping and a new battery. I have a P38.” (60:09)
• Hoovie’s Fleet: Adds a 1999 Cadillac Escalade to go with his 2000 P38. Both are excited to relive their GMT800 glory days.
• Old Tech, New Problems: Chat about riding on air vs. coils, endless dashboard warning lights, and absurd electrical gremlins.
• Reflections: Doug: “There is not a land rover shop in this country that doesn’t have six of them sitting in back.”

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11. Market Report: Mitsubishi Evo IX MR Soars to $75K

Timestamps: 70:11 – 73:41

• Big Sale: An 8,800-mile Evo IX MR fetches $75,000. Doug expresses surprise at how rare, “find another,” and valuable these JDM icons are becoming.
• Movie Nostalgia: Hoovie rewatched 2 Fast 2 Furious flying in; all agree the early movies still hold up.

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12. Audience Q&A Highlights

Timestamps: 74:00 – end

• Spouse Car Shopping: Nick admits, “I bought it for myself and then gave it to her, basically.” Hoovie and April operate similarly, with April driving much of the fleet.
• Jaguar Rescue Plan: Stuck between sedans (“dead”) and SUVs (Land Rover turf), Doug suggests “go wild,” build a 600hp sports sedan with a giant cat logo. Hoovie floats the idea of a Mazda partnership and stretching Miata bones for a spiritual E-Type.
• Influencer Effect: Doug and Hoovie are often told their reviews prompted car purchases—sometimes with regrets (“I’m so sorry you bought that,” jokes Hoovie).
• Kansas 101 for Californians: Episode ends with Hoovie’s Kansas trivia: “When the Arkansas River comes to Kansas, it’s called the AR-Kansas River. If you call it the Arkansas River, you will be shanked” (95:03).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Doug (on Telluride Design): “Kia just went and made the car look boxy.” (02:03)
• Nick (McLaren SUV): “If Ferrari did it, then no one has to have any shame about trying anymore.” (06:51)
• Hoovie (on viral Lightning video): “I was everywhere from Sean Hannity, Newsmax… I just made a video talking about it and saying this doesn’t make any sense for any kind of use for anybody using a truck.” (17:29)
• Doug (on audience outrage at car destruction): “There were needy children, hungry children who could have eaten the car. And now they cannot eat the car.” (10:32)
• Hoovie (Gullwing): “This was the adult dream car for me since I was 16 years old.” (41:09)
• Doug (on saying no): “I would never do a rally, for example. I’d rather be with my family. I know it’s unusual, especially for dads.” (54:15)
• Nick (Jaguar’s future): “If you want a British sports car, you get an Aston Martin. They’re kind of just in no man’s land.” (88:25)
• Hoovie (Kansas fact): “When the Arkansas river comes to Kansas, it is called the AR-Kansas River. And if you call it the Arkansas river in Kansas, you will be shanked.” (95:03)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Kia Telluride Discourse: 00:09 – 04:12
• McLaren SUV & Supercar SUVs: 04:14 – 08:21
• Spyker, Lemons, Burying Cars: 11:03 – 14:28
• Ford Lightning Cancellation & EVs: 15:36 – 24:02
• Jeep 392 & Wrangler Banter: 24:19 – 26:34
• CarMax Market Woes: 26:47 – 33:13
• Supercar Reunion / Value Talk: 42:00 – 44:44
• Gullwing Ownership / Car Rallying: 35:00 – 41:36
• Life Experience & Press Trips: 49:10 – 57:45
• P38 & Escalade Resurgence: 59:42 – 64:32
• Market Report—Evo MR Sells: 70:11 – 73:41
• Audience Q&A (Jaguar, Influencing, Kansas): 74:00 – End

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Final Thoughts

This episode hits its stride by blending car news, wild personal stories, industry insight, and running jokes. Whether you’re a car market obsessive or just love automotive personalities, it offers sharp opinions, laughs, and a rare open discussion about the balance between enthusiasm and responsibility in the hobby—and in life.

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Transcript

[A]

Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[B]

I'm Nick.

[A]

Hoovie's here today. I'm here. I don't know where Filippo and Kenan are, but we got Nick and we got Hoovy. This is an A minus lineup and I'm excited. And we're going to start by talking about the news. Start with our first news story, please. I want your take on all these news stories. The new Kia Telluride. Tell us what you think.

[C]

I don't really know anything about the old Kia Telluride other than your video I watched five years ago. But are people going to pay 10,000 msrp for this telluride?

[A]

Yeah, I think they will.

[B]

Really?

[A]

People are still paying over for Toyota Siennas. Are you aware of that? That's still happening to this day. Over sticker for Toyota Siennas. You want a Sienna woodland. Good luck. New Tellurides here. What do you think?

[B]

It's a looker. I agree with your take that it looks very Range Rover from the rear. I think as someone who lives in the suburbs and has kids in this is going to be hot. I do think there will be oversticker. There will be a lot of demand. The number one question I get, and I'm sure you get too, is what's the best vehicle that has three rows? It is, really. Unless you have 100 grand plus someone in EV, which the R1S is the right answer. If you want gas and you want not 100 grand, this is the answer. It just is.

[C]

I'm a Palisade man, though.

[A]

You know what?

[B]

It doesn't.

[A]

To me, it doesn't matter. And it's actually funny because the Kia people brought the Telluride here and they were going all these ways that they're different. All these ways. The Telluride's better and like to consumers, they're pretty similar. I get that question. What's the best three? I have put 10 of my friends into Palisades or Tellurides. I love. The new Explorer is great. The new Pathfinder is surprisingly good. Actually. I'm kind of off the Highlander and the pilot. Believe it or not. I think they've fallen a little bit behind in terms of tech. But everybody loves how this looks.

[B]

Don't you feel like all of those vehicles are falling short? Vehicles like you wanted to Telluride but you settled with like a pilot because it was out of stock or five grand over sticker.

[A]

What they've done that's especially impressive is the design of this car.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Everyone else was wanted to make kind of an off roady looking thing. You know. The G Wagon's hot and the Raptor's hot and off roading is big. The 4Runner and everybody else like wanted to do it and so they did like little touches and Kia just went and made the car look boxy.

[B]

Right.

[C]

The Hyundai one, they just put red tow hooks on it. The Palisade. And it looks odd.

[A]

The Palisade isn't as. This works, this kills.

[B]

I think. I think they did a good job facelifting this without making it too polarizing. I think the EV9 is kind of hein. But the EV9 warmed us up so that this didn't become too polarizing again. Like a reverse halo car. So nailed it.

[A]

What kind of three row SUV's people drive in Wichita?

[C]

05 Cadillac Escalades.

[B]

Yeah, I was going to say GMT, baby.

[C]

GMT 800 still everywhere. Falling apart but won't die.

[A]

That's still true here. I'm astonished by how many of the. Not that. That body style and the body style after that. The one that came out in 07. I am astonished by how many of those are still running around. It's funny because those came from an era when people still had the perception that American cars were unreliable, which turned out to be completely false. About those cars in particular, they are falling apart. Like the materials are not that good, but you can keep them running and running.

[C]

Rust is happening. The interior looks horrible. The paint's falling off, but the drivetrain's still going up until they did the cylinder deactivation stuff they're selling.

[A]

Oh, was that the problem?

[C]

That was the thing. The active fuel management kind of killed that.

[A]

You didn't want to deactivate the cylinders. You wanted to keep the cylinder active.

[C]

This is America guzzling that gas.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

You want to guzzle next. So anyway, new Telluride. I just did the review. It's up. You should go watch it or not.

[B]

It looks nice on the inside too.

[C]

Right?

[B]

Like good features.

[A]

Yes. They said that in the spring it's coming out and I just think just looking at it in person, I was astonished. I love the old one and this one is even cooler. I am not a big fan of the little black things over the wheel arches which I got a lot of comments about. They do not have a purpose. They are purely cosmetic. I think they're weird. But I also think they're only on the X Pro. I think the non X Pro models. You know what else is weird? Just the name X Pro as a trim level. Don't you think when you think X pro, you think of an ex professional.

[B]

Yeah. Like someone playing tennis Junior.

[A]

Yes. Roger Federer is an ex pro.

[C]

And I was thinking that's like an extra tier on OnlyFans, you know, or something, you know?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like how you think.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Who V and I together is gonna be a disaster for the editors.

[A]

Give us our next news story, please.

[B]

McLaren. McLaren announced a roadmap of upcoming vehicles, including a new Halo car that's going to be 900 horsepower. Which I guess with the EVs 900 doesn't really sound like a headline to me at all. But they're going to have a new really fast car that presumably will look like all of their other lineup. Right. And then they will have an suv. And the SUV is rumored to be like a Cayenne Turbo competitor in terms of size. So not like a cute little ute, but like a big boy SUV that you can bring all your finance bros together with. I guess.

[A]

Yes. Sculpted and muscular with presence.

[B]

This is a rendering. It is not from McLaren, so who knows?

[A]

This is not what it's going to look like.

[B]

It looks good. Whoever photoshopped it or AI'd it what.

[A]

It should look like.

[B]

Yeah, I agree. It's, it's a no brainer because the URUS sells so well. It does among that crowd. Those are the type of people who also buy McLarens.

[A]

Some of the rivals do not sell all that well. The DBX has been a hard sell since the day it came out. Have you thought about a used DBX?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Are they under 100 yet?

[C]

No. When that happens, I'm in.

[B]

Got to be close.

[A]

It's pretty cool.

[C]

It needs to have the V8 or it's going to be a failure. If they're like, eh, what we're going to do with the not?

[A]

Well, it's going to be a plug in hybrid. I mean, I don't know if It'll be a V8 or not. That'll be a failure. These are all plug in hybrids. You can't launch one of these and not have it be a plug in hybrid.

[C]

Okay, It'll be a failure then.

[A]

I would argue that an SUV from McLaren would be a failure anyway. Just on its face. Have you seen what's happened with the Lotus suv? No Lotus. You know about this? Lotus launched an SUV called the Eletre, but it's electric and they build it in China and so it has a huge tariff and it's like $250,000 and nobody's purchased one. You're not interested in a Lotus Seen one?

[C]

No, no.

[A]

No one has.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They don't exist.

[C]

Did you review one?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I didn't watch that video. I'm sorry, I skipped. I skipped that one.

[A]

That one unlike some of the others. And I'm not going to name names. That one was pretty Good.

[C]

I apologize.

[A]

McLaren SUV. As a McLaren owner.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And a former.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You've had a couple. You had an MP4, right?

[C]

MP4, 12C, the SLR McLaren, which you have now. So we're looking at it right now. Just trying not to cry my eyes out. Yeah.

[B]

I love the.

[A]

What do you think about this new direction? A plug in hybrid suv. I know they got to do it.

[C]

Everybody's got to do it, right.

[B]

Every vehicle after 2008 is dead to me.

[A]

He hasn't paid attention in Carson's away.

[C]

It's. I'm similar, but I try.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyway, I think it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting to see where it's priced and all that stuff. You know, the Puros Sangwei gives these automaker and the Urus give these automakers hope that they can get a lot of money out of these cars. But in some cases they've been hard sell.

[B]

If Ferrari did it, then no one has to have any shame about trying anymore.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

There's no purist whatever for McLaren.

[A]

It'll certainly be interesting to see how McLaren tries to translate its design language, which is very swoopy, mid engine exotic car, into an suv. I still believe it did not translate well for Lamborghini. I still think the Urus is an ugly car. I think it's been ugly since the day it came out. So this will be. You don't agree? You like the Urus?

[C]

No, no.

[B]

The cardinal sin everyone does is they just try to take their car and lift it and it just. The proportions don't work. You got to start.

[A]

Never. That has never looked good. And everyone's tried it.

[B]

955 Cayenne.

[A]

Porsche tried it, the first Cayenne, which in years since has kind of become well regarded. But I was there when it launched Trash. And I remember people hated how that looked. And the Cullinan, they tried to do the same thing, which was a little odd. And the Urus was. It just didn't go well.

[C]

Intega Works.

[A]

Intega Works.

[B]

Yeah. You had one of those too, right?

[C]

I did, yes.

[B]

How did that go?

[A]

You had a 12.

[B]

I had a 12.

[C]

Oh, it was good.

[A]

Was it reliable?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Never had A problem. What did you buy it and sell it for?

[C]

It's been years now, so four or five years ago, I bought it for a little over 100 and sold it for, I think low 80s. Nice. Yeah.

[A]

I want that car. I want a Bentley so bad. But he's. He's had this Bentley Arnage. That's been the worst car any of us ever owned.

[B]

That's different though. That was like pre Volkswagen Audi.

[A]

I don't know that the addition of Volkswagen Audi makes me feel more confident. I had a B5.

[B]

It helps. Yeah.

[C]

My 2006 has been good for almost three years now. 80,000 miles.

[A]

2006 Flying Spur.

[C]

No, it's not flying spur. It's a Continental GT.

[A]

Yeah, I had a B5. Lot of issues. Frequently when I had my B5, a4, you drive along.

[B]

You're talking about a B5. This is 20 years ago.

[A]

You drive along. Yeah, but The Bentayga's like 15 years ago.

[B]

No, light years apart.

[A]

You drive along and sometimes the check engine light would come on. Not only would it come on, it would start flashing, which if you look in the owner's manual, it says immediately turn off the car and drive to the dealership. Flashing, terrified. You turn the car off, you turn it back on. No check engine light at all. That was the level of quality that my B5, A4.

[B]

That's a great anecdote. You know, I'm hesitant to buy a Ford because my papa, who served in World War II for one year, he was actually, I found out, stationed in New York City during World War II.

[A]

Damn. World War II vessel.

[B]

Yeah, very, very hybrid situation.

[A]

He had a Ford, he a Model.

[B]

T. A Model T and it wouldn't start sometimes. So the explore is just off the list.

[A]

You're missing the point.

[B]

Am I? I think I'm nailing it.

[A]

Volkswagen Audi does not inject reliability. Except to Lamborghini.

[B]

They do compared to an Arnouche. Right. If your baseline is that low, literally anyone can inject.

[C]

I have an unfixable silver seraph right now. Nice. It is done.

[A]

What are you gonna do with it?

[C]

I push it off a cliff.

[A]

Have you thought about burying it?

[C]

That's a thought.

[A]

Remember when you didn't. Didn't you get some trouble for burying.

[C]

So, yeah, they loved it when I buried cars 10 years ago. And now, no, I can't.

[B]

So it.

[C]

I had an X6M that I dug a hole and buried it because it had the wrong engine in. Somebody like got a non image and get this thing to run. In it and then sold it at a hoopty dealer auction. It shows up like, what the hell? And like trying to get like hammering in these lines and fittings to fit and they're just leaking everywhere. It was a mess. So I was like, okay, dig a hole, bury it. That's my. That's my out to get YouTube videos out of it. Furious. Like, that car could have fed all the starving kids in Africa.

[A]

Who, may I ask, is that? Are you referring to the audience?

[B]

The audience.

[A]

The audience loved it when he buried cars 10 years ago. The EPA, however, their stance on this whole thing is unchanged.

[C]

It's my land.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

They can't tell me what to do with my land in Kansas. Or like jumping the. The Land Rover evoke. I thought nobody was going to care about that.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Oh, they're so mad.

[A]

Every time you destroy a car on YouTube, you get an enormous amount of hate because you took a car away from a. From needy children. There were needy children. Hungry children who could have eaten the car. And. And now they cannot eat the car. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Even though a massive liability for anyone to get just to give that car.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

To sell some of his cars. I destroyed an all road that was already completely destroyed. And I still get hate to this day. And then I tell people about my B5 Next story. Ah, yes, something.

[B]

Spiker is back or planning a comeback. The original founder bought back all the intellectual property. Obviously there's that dude in the Netherlands that's like flying around to Ed Bolian's garage and fixing them himself. The band is back together and there is hope for Spyker. I have to say, with all the BS hypercar brands that are just AI generated, whatever. Spyker is one of my favorites. I think of Spyker personally as cooler than Koenigsegg or Pagani in terms of just like pre 2008. It's my jam.

[C]

How many times has it failed?

[A]

A couple. A couple.

[C]

So it's on there like Fisker. It comes back and it's like the B5 Audi.

[B]

You just turn it off and turn it back on.

[A]

I will say though, it has failed a few times. The cars were cheap. The cars have. There's become in the last five years a real groundswell of interest around the cars. The cars are now a regular C. It's now a 350 car. And when the cars become valuable, this happened with Bugatti, honestly, the name starts to become valuable again and the revival of the name becomes appealing again. And you could possibly see something coming out of this. It'd be cool.

[C]

I drove Ed Bullions. It was neat. I'd have a gated R8 over it.

[A]

You'd have a gated R8 over the Spyker?

[C]

Yeah. If they were worth the same amount of money, of course. But yeah.

[B]

What.

[A]

Why?

[B]

The Spiker is a gated R8 but a much nicer, fancier version.

[A]

Beautiful detail work. And you don't like the detail. You want plastic.

[C]

The quality, really, it didn't blow my mind in person. This all built in my head and I saw it in person.

[A]

I was like, it's all this machine finished stuff on the dash. This beautiful leather, the open linkage, the propeller, steering wheel. You get in that and you think, I really want plastic clim control surface level.

[C]

Kind of just like, like gimmicks. I feel like what you.

[A]

You wanted like, everything to be cast iron under the skin. Okay, well, it's not a gull wing, for God's sake. It's a. It's a spike.

[C]

But it's like someone tr. Like, let's. Let's put all this stuff on the surface to make it seem like it's a classic car. And it's.

[B]

It's just.

[C]

It didn't.

[A]

Didn't work. There is a little bit of Excalibur to it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Where it's like. There is some tricking you to think it. That's vintage, which I don't love. Like a vintage airplane is what they're going for. Right. When really what we want is to march forward.

[C]

But like Singer makes a really beautiful handmade looking stuff, but they don't make it look like it's 1942.

[A]

But still, the Spiker's cool. It looks cool on the outside.

[C]

I'm just saying.

[A]

You'd rather have an R8. You'd rather have an R8.

[B]

One of the worst hot takes ever presented on the planet. Okay.

[C]

All right. Well.

[B]

That'S why we. That's why we love you.

[A]

So he doesn't want Spiker to return.

[B]

Oh, my goodness.

[A]

He's sitting here thinking, I hope to God this doesn't happen. Do you know that Spiker at one point made an suv?

[C]

No.

[B]

Pull it up the pecking to Paris. Oh, you think I'm going to be able to figure out how to do this?

[A]

That's such a good point. How do we always going back through the.

[B]

Oh, no.

[C]

Oh, no. Okay.

[A]

I think escape enhance.

[B]

All right.

[A]

You know, we don't have to.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, wow. I did it. If I pecking to Paris.

[C]

If I pull it up on my phone and like, hold it up really close to Paris.

[A]

No pecking to Paris is the name of a. Peking is the name of a suv. Okay, well, that's images.

[B]

Look at that.

[A]

You know about this hot boy? Talk about a bad, bad example.

[B]

Oh, good Lord, Nick.

[A]

Talk about a bad example of trying to take the car design and making it larger. That existed and still exists. Someone owns it.

[B]

I would love to buy.

[A]

I would pay what that's worth to buy that. Which is, you know, 45.

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[A]

All right, give us our next news story, please. Yes. Did you Ford Lightning owner. It's good that you're here. Did you read this week the Wall Street Journal reported?

[B]

It's because of his viral videos and all of the infowars type media.

[C]

I did not think that that was going to go.

[A]

I forgot about that. You were like on Newsmax and stuff.

[C]

I was everywhere from Sean Hannity, Newsmax. Yeah. What was that one guy, the crazy guy?

[A]

Alex Jones, the F150 Lightning. Wall Street Journal reported this week that Ford is likely going to cancel it. Ford has not communicated this. They have not confirmed this, but you know, a story like that at Wall Street Journal is pretty well sourced. They also reported, I don't remember the exact numbers, but they sold last month something like 100,000 F150s, of which 1300 were like. I mean, it is like. And of course, when you think about it's not like a special edition, that's cosmetic. Yeah, there was a lot of development that went into this truck.

[C]

Yeah, you would think that they could keep it going since it's just on the F150 platform, but it must be different enough to be to get rid of it.

[A]

The cost to make them, they're selling 1300.

[C]

I mean, because like the Chevys are on their own silver EV platform with the Hummers and everything else. So they have a big platform.

[A]

But these are just electric fighters. My guess is that they're going to continue making it until there's some sort of F150 facelift and then they're not going to bother doing a lightning.

[C]

Well, the Maverick they've talked about where it's like the under 30 grand electric maverick is going to nuke those because that's where all the buyers are going to go. That's right.

[A]

You know, the majority of Mavericks I see are hybrids. And honestly, I think the use case is clearly there for a hybrid truck and a Maverick hybrid. People who are buying that already want sort of like an in town fuel economy, fuel efficient kind of thing and it works great for that. But boy, the electric truck didn't last, did it?

[B]

Hoovy and I are into the F650 on the site right now. That's more our jam.

[C]

Yeah. So that was an interesting chapter in my YouTube history going viral. It was wild for some, yeah, crazy reason because I bought it and I put a model A pickup truck on a trailer, aluminum trailer, very light, and just tried to tow it 30 or 40 miles up and back on a full battery. And it was in wintertime. It almost didn't make it, not even 100 miles towing a very light load. And I just made a video talking about it and saying this doesn't make any sense for any kind of use for anybody using a truck.

[A]

I remember this is a big deal.

[C]

The amount of news coverage that got. Yeah, I was everywhere.

[A]

Do you have any regrets about the role you played in killing the American automobile industry?

[C]

It was, I think they did a good job themselves. But yeah, getting emails from the higher ups at Ford and asking me, you know, like they didn't ask me to take down the video and things.

[A]

Well, I mean it was true. Like ultimately it was the truth.

[C]

Well, somewhat. But then Alex Jones got ahold of it and like he's just reacting to it live as he's watching it. He clearly hadn't watched the video before. So he's looking at it, I'm driving in my neighborhood and he goes, see.

[A]

It won't go over 20 miles an hour.

[C]

And then, you know, and then just like speed limit. And then look, it can't even go like I had. My first car is a Volkswagen Beetle and it could do circles around this thing. The Thing's fast. So I do that criticism about it, about Alex Jones not getting this right and the defenders. Not to go political, but I mean, I am still.

[A]

Alex Jones has defenders even to this day.

[C]

You're gonna get it in the comments where they're gonna say, he was right about everything. He's right about everything. And they get so angry at me for wow. For saying he was wrong on I drove the car.

[A]

I know what happened. I wish the whole Sandy Hook thing would have settled all that about Alex Jones.

[C]

No, but they.

[B]

It's funny because all of this is common knowledge now. EVs lose their range in the cold and they don't tow. Well, like that's not controversial, but at the time.

[A]

Common knowledge at the time, but not. It was, it was. The video made it simple and clear enough. Hey, here's a guy towing in a, in a, on a. You know, in Kansas. Like, this isn't. There's nothing trickery. This is just a dude. And I do think that was interesting. And honestly, I don't know that that video necessarily had a huge role, but the facts that came out of that video are a real reason why this truck has not been successful.

[C]

And the cold weather's especially bad on these because they don't do any kind of battery heating with them. So then that's the big difference with Tesla, where they're still a big hit in the cold, but just not as bad. And so these are just atrocious.

[A]

When it gets cold outside, I'm not surprised that this is happening. This is getting canceled. It seems like a niche use case. Even in California. I don't see that many of them. It's a shame though, because I think it was a really well engineered, well designed vehicle. They were super excited about it when it was first coming out. And here was Ford not doing some stupid EV that looks like an egg like so many of the early EVs, but actually creating a full size truck that was a truck. And this, this also ties into other EV news. Give us the Maybach information.

[B]

And it's not really just Maybach, but Mercedes is slashing the prices across the board of their EVs, much like the lightning. After the incentives ended, the sales plummeted. There's a lot of reasons for that and I think a lot of those sales just got pulled forward. However, you can get 50 grand off on a Maybach EQS, a brand new.

[C]

So they're $100,000 new. I had one that was a 109 sticker that I bought for 34. It was a 20, 22 EQS.

[B]

These are like the example that I saw was a $200,000 you can get.

[C]

For one for like an AMG or.

[A]

A Maybach EQS, which has been a very hard car to sell. From what I've heard from my friends at Mercedes Benz dealerships, possibly the hardest new Mercedes Benz at all to sell. They're saying $50,000 coming back on a $50,000 discount if you get a 25.

[C]

Well, it seems like it's one of the few cars where Everybody's rolling with 20 or 30 grand negative equity and they can hide it in those cars. So that's the only way they're moving them I think currently.

[A]

But talk about negative equity. You roll negative equity like that. Yeah, yeah, I know your next person said it better be a cruise liner or something.

[C]

You get gap insurance and you point it towards a tree and that, that, well, that is actual dealership advice that, you know, we like. Hey, you got gap insurance. Just, just aim for the front right of the car.

[A]

Put it in.

[C]

Yeah, that's.

[A]

I used to tell people that down at, down at Tyler Hoover, Chrysler, Dodge gp.

[C]

But yeah, I was not impressed with the fit and finish on the eqs and I especially compared to the S Class and they're the same price as the S Class and they're so different as far as the quality, like the door creaking and just that kind of stuff.

[A]

I was like the only EQS defender and I still am. I think they drive amazingly. They are so comfortable.

[C]

They drive great. You want to hear this every time, like this cracking, popping noise every time.

[A]

You drive the express vehicle that Mercedes Benz sent to me, which I'm sure was very representative of the overall market. Completely fine, no problems at all in that car. And my review was not aided at all by the fact that they put a nice little box of chocolates in the pack. No, I love that car and I liked it a lot when it was new, although it seemed like a bad value at the time. But as a used car I would put up with a lot of creaking in the door for $34,000 three year old car.

[C]

When I bought it, I was researching the car to see what other people had said about it. I watched your video and I think you said this is going to be a big hit for Mercedes or something like that. You were calling it out like this is a game changer.

[A]

Well, it felt like it was going to be a game changer in part because I reviewed the car on Halloween and the infotainment graphics all changed to like pumpkins and things.

[C]

Oh, they got you.

[A]

They've done it. Yeah, they've got it. Unfortunately, that distracted me from the fact that it was $130,000 electric car that nobody wanted. It was tough to the pumpkins. It was the. They had jack O lanterns on them. It was there anyway. I'm sorry.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

Smart. Okay, next news story, please. Jeep 392 is coming back. I'm not sure that it went away.

[C]

It took a year off.

[A]

But the big news is that there's two pieces of big news. Number one is it's coming back at an $82,000 sticker price. I looked this up in the final. The last year that it was in production, it was a 102 sticker price. So it dropped sticker price by $20,000, which will surely alienate a wide variety of people who paid 100 grand over the last couple of years.

[C]

And they were discounting them pretty heavily. Though at the end.

[A]

They are going to release. This is true, they are going to release one new special edition Jeep every month throughout this year. Every month they're calling it like 12 for 12. And on the 12th of every month, a new special edition will come out.

[C]

So this is what's gonna fix Jeep.

[A]

This is Chrysler. Chrysler was going ev. They were doing all this stuff. Then they axed that. The CEO's gone and they're like, let's go back to what we do best. Big engines and special editions.

[C]

So like a restaurant having their special. Yes. That's their strategy now, selling cars like.

[B]

Okay, we got to go back tomorrow.

[C]

We've got pecking duck.

[A]

Yeah, that's what we got this month anyway.

[B]

I like how Toyota does it where you get a special color every year for the TRD pros. That's kind of neat, as you can tell, but every month, even the hardcore Jeep people won't be able to be like, oh, that's a February car.

[C]

A pumpkin spice.

[A]

Yeah, I'm say something.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I'm definitely going to do Pumpkin.

[A]

I'm going to say something that is going to surprise you and maybe you a little bit, but especially you. And I'm going to say it and then we're going to move on. There are times where I have considered a G500 cabriolet departure and a Wrangler 392 arrival. There are times when it has entered my mind.

[B]

I think they're cool as hell. But 100 no. 80.

[A]

No. I'd get a U.

[B]

That's still a lot. I mean, a wrangler, it's. Deep down it's a wrangler. If you think the eqs had bad fit and finish.

[A]

And can I ask you a question, since you're stuck in 08, what do you think a Wrangler clock? 16, 14. They're.

[B]

They're affordable, they're gettable.

[A]

Come at me from the TJ days. Nick, Wranglers are like 50 bass.

[B]

I mean, kids in my high school had them. You did a 2 inch body lift and you put some 33s on it.

[C]

That bag, they're just basic. They're old school off roaders. Still, they kept to their core.

[A]

It's great.

[C]

My Paul has one. He locks his.

[A]

Is that true?

[C]

Three, nine to two. Yeah. Regular.

[B]

They do sound good.

[C]

They sound great.

[A]

This is your grandfather.

[C]

My. My Paul. My dad.

[A]

Your actual dad. Has my faja around you? Yeah.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

What else does he have?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

In the Middle west, we don't use mom and dad and grandma and grandpa. We say pa, pa, pa, Ma.

[C]

Because I call you my daddy.

[A]

And then, hi, daddy. Steve.

[B]

Steve sometimes.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And Karen is two years younger than you.

[A]

Haven't done that in a while, Daddy. Yeah.

[C]

I'm sorry. Do you miss it?

[A]

No. But you know what I miss about it? Not that weird voice, daddy. But what I miss is people coming up to me at car events and saying, it's Daddy Doug. You're Tyler Hoover's daddy. I miss that. Damn it. Well, do you think you've spread your wings now and you don't need me at all?

[C]

I think I have created my own little universe in Kansas. And you have here, with cars and bids and all of your people that are your daddy to them now. Oh.

[B]

So I feel like what he's saying is someone else, you know, maybe someone named after a month between March and June calls him daddy and so he doesn't want to confuse him.

[C]

Kenan doesn't call you Daddy? No.

[A]

Okay, move on to the next news story. CarMax is apparently failing, doing poorly. Things are down year to date. The stack is down 58%. Hoovy, take us through. Give us a CarMax memory. You work there. I love CarMax dearly, of course. I began in this industry by exploiting CarMax's used car warranty.

[C]

Do you remember who bought CarMax 20 plus years ago?

[A]

All I remember is that Circuit City founded CarMax.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

They were the creator.

[C]

They created it.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah. Well, they sort of made it. Basically created it, but sort of Bought into it. Yes.

[B]

Some Wayne Huizenga stuff.

[A]

It was like that Circuit City commissioned a consulting company to find out where there were market holes.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And the consulting unrelated to Circuit City.

[B]

A consulting company actually adding value. Yeah. Wow.

[A]

And more value than Circuit City even.

[C]

Yeah. So Circuit City at their peak started carmax Wild.

[A]

That's true. All this is true. And the consulting company said there are not. Not nationally recognized chain used car dealers where people have a belief in their quality. It was all spotty. And so they launched it.

[C]

My first job in the car business was at CarMax, opening in Kansas in 2006.

[A]

Wow. The initial plan, because it actually started.

[B]

Great time to be in car sales.

[A]

It started in the 90s. The initial plan for CarMax was to only roll out in the southern states because they could prevent a lot of the rust and other issues that happen. And eventually, of course, became national. I think it even eventually went to Canada. But for a long time they were only in kind of the. The sort of southern rim, the. The sun belt of America, if you will. And then Hoovy was there selling cars.

[B]

I was.

[C]

Yeah. My first car ever sold was a trailblazer.

[A]

What was the best car you ever sold at CarMax?

[C]

You know, I don't think there ever was really a good one. I mean there's some high end trucks and things, but they didn't have really cool oddball stuff that they occasionally do now, especially in Kansas. I didn't make very much money there because there's only $200 fixed commission a car. There was no haggle and people in Kansas hated no haggling. So I left, oh maybe six months in and went over to a Chevy Cadillac BMW store and made 1500 bucks on my first car because the 07 Chevys had just come out.

[A]

Oh, the full size. The full size.

[C]

The Silverado.

[A]

So all that.

[C]

And that was hot. The Escalade revised everything. So it was a hot time to be at a Chevy store and did much better there.

[A]

Yeah. It's a cool idea though. Get a nice warranty. Pick up a warranty on that electric BMW.

[C]

There you go.

[B]

Why are they struggling? I would think this would be a great time to be CarMax.

[A]

Why would you think that?

[B]

All the new cars suck. No one wants them. They're all overpriced. Get a used car with a warranty.

[C]

It's not going to work because they're still having to overpay to get inventory. There's very.

[B]

Is that it?

[C]

I mean, it's like Carvana Return and Carvana is is kicking their butts on the bidding. So Carvana, wherever they get their magic money from, beats Carmax on their trade in bids.

[B]

Gotcha.

[C]

By thousands every time.

[A]

Carvana experience Also just so if you have a BS car. Yeah not the kind you'd sell on cars and bids where you should never use Carvana ever.

[C]

Well and you guys do the comparisons of how much more the cars bring than cars and bids when there's something interesting. But if you have a Kia, not.

[A]

A Telluride or not a Singer GT but if you have a normal car is so not a zinger. I don't know what to do Singer.

[D]

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[A]

If you have a normal car, Carvana makes so easy and Carmax never greatly pivoted towards the online thing. It's just still so brick and mortar friendly.

[C]

No? Now I saw somebody was complaining about about carmax recently because they just wanted someone to do a walk around video of the car before they shipped it to the store. Like, can you just do a walk around? We can't do that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Why can't you do like.

[C]

That's not in their system.

[B]

Because dudes only do it 200 bucks max.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Get someone with their phone to text it. And that's not our system, that's not our protocols to be able to do it.

[A]

CarMax strikes me as one of these things that's gotten so big that they actually make it harder for their dealers to sell cars. Which was a common complaint I heard when I was in the car business. Business. You make us get compliant flower pots and compliant trash cans and it's all these ancillary things that doesn't matter. We're just trying to sell cars.

[B]

You know, I'm actually not into cars. I'm just into low balling the out of people. So carmax is against my religion.

[C]

It was so hard training people in Kansas. What do you mean you can't give me $2,000 off this camera. We don't. I can't handle a dollar. I don't. They thought it was me just being.

[B]

I would be like, Tyler, give me like your wristwatch.

[C]

Watch.

[B]

Like give me something.

[C]

Cuz other than that, the only other.

[B]

Give me a free coffee. I don't care. I need value add here.

[C]

Cuz like Scion had just come out.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And that was no haggle.

[A]

Yeah. And.

[C]

And so. But young people were buying that. So they got that. But then like normal people look midwesterners coming in to buy a used Camry or a truck and they're what this? Yeah. It was annoying to them.

[A]

I can get this down the street for this one.

[C]

Right.

[B]

You know, there's only one car I didn't lowball and haggle. The out of it was an slr.

[A]

Oh, how beautiful. You know what? On.

[B]

I had such immense respect for the seller that I was just like, you know what? Name your number. I won't even question it.

[A]

I didn't even.

[B]

Just tell me what's fair.

[C]

I did not even give you like a moment's thought that there.

[D]

Because there is.

[C]

It was like, I'm getting what I paid for it or I'm just keeping it forever. And that I was. I was okay with that.

[B]

The real answer is he didn't think I was a buyer. He's just like cheapskate. Nick is just wasting my time because.

[C]

Doug opened it, said, hey, we can sell this SLR for $200,000. And I was like, it's been on fire. No, no.

[A]

Hang on a second.

[B]

Doug lowballed you.

[A]

Hang on.

[B]

So I didn't have to.

[A]

We need to cover this in a moment. We need to move on to the talk car segment and cover this officially.

[C]

I'm sorry.

[A]

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[B]

They're fairly new.

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They look brand new.

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[B]

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[A]

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[C]

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[C]

Agree.

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[C]

Actually, hoovy 20. That's why I get it.

[B]

You get 20, we get 15. Use them both. And then they're 45% off.

[A]

The heel is curved. Anyway, I'm converted. I'm legitimately and honestly converted into these shoes. I think they're great. Buy some and use our code because otherwise it makes us seem like we're not doing anything, which, honestly, we aren't really. Okay. I want to talk about a couple things. The talk cars segment.

[C]

Indeed.

[A]

But I don't want to start with this, but leave it up because it's an amazing background. I'll leave it there.

[B]

Agreement.

[A]

I had an incident earlier today. I'm driving down the freeway there in a sports car. Let's leave it at that. And I'm driving fast because I had to get here. I was up in Irvine. God, you ever go up there? Okay. And I come upon on the freeway a Mercedes 300 SL gullwing. And I'm like, oh, my God, this is an unbelievable thing to come upon. And it's Hoover. And I was going pretty fast because I was trying to make an appointment. Hoovy starts getting behind me and is going fast at the same speed. And I'm going. Not slowly. It's a little bit over the 65 miles.

[C]

You're in a modern sports car with double the horsepower. Yeah.

[A]

Going pretty quick. And this 300sl, and I'm looking at my mirror, and this is the coolest experience I've ever had in my Life. There's a 300 SL behind me, going hard, like, hard left lane, little through traffic.

[C]

300 SL, that's what it's built to do. It's the world's first supercar.

[A]

It was amazing to see it drive like that.

[C]

I couldn't believe it in 1955, when 100 miles an hour was the sound barrier. That thing is 150, so it is easy to do speed limit 65. To do 80, 90 for a second.

[A]

No problem for a second or 30 minutes. But that didn't happen in Mexico.

[C]

We went down to Mexico and then came back.

[A]

I wasn't on the 5 freeway. I was on the.

[B]

The.

[A]

The Uno.

[C]

Yeah. There you go.

[A]

So you just drive that thing like that?

[C]

Yes. Why wouldn't you?

[A]

Well, it's old.

[C]

It's fine.

[A]

It's worth a ton of money. You're not scared?

[C]

You got insurance? What? It's.

[A]

Yeah, but if you want to make that call to your.

[C]

No, I sure don't. I sure don't. That's the thing. And then if it's a fixable accident that, like, it would be a year before I got the car back, and I'd still be making payments on it. So that is a little bit of a thing.

[A]

But you're making payments on this car, 70 years old.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

What's that like? How's this structured financially?

[C]

Similar to the Bugatti. Yeah, I did a collateral swap, actually.

[A]

So you do, like, a lot of interesting financial instruments.

[C]

Yeah, because I didn't have a large infusion of cash from an investment firm, so I have to finance my things. Yes.

[A]

So you're just. You drive around in this 300 SL Hawk.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You should have seen it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Imagine you're going pretty hard. Like, you're kind of doing as fast as you feel comfortable with cars around. And look behind you, there's the 300 SL. You go through this thing. There's the 300 SL.

[C]

I did a thousand miles in the car a month ago, so I got very comfortable with it. A few years ago, I did the millimeter. And you drive them way, way harder than that because the Italian police encourage you. They're, like, escorting you, and you're trying. And if you're not keeping up with the Italian police when they're escorting you to race across Italy a thousand miles.

[A]

They'Re mad at you.

[C]

So it's like, this is a 1955 car going 100 and what? And there's like normal cars and pedestrians and everything like this. This is crazy. And then I have a ex Formula One driver in the passenger seat. Carl Wendlinger, German or Austrian. And he's like, go, hit it. And so. Yeah.

[A]

Is there anything you haven't done?

[C]

Well, apparently not. Call you Daddy enough.

[A]

I'm jealous of hoovy. Aren't you jealous of hoovy?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

That's why army did the mealy Mickey.

[C]

It's called saying yes. Your favorite word is no. Like, oh, just can't.

[A]

How do you know that? Everybody knows that. But how do you know that? You shouldn't know that. I say yes to you every time you reach out. But I do like saying no to stuff. I got invited the other day to some press launch, like, locally, and I was like, nah, I can participate in that.

[B]

Can we rewind? Why are you here? So your car, presumably, was being worked on.

[C]

I wanted some lunch. No, I was getting it sorted out after the rally. So the car hadn't run in over 10 years, but I was expecting something not as nice as this. So Matt Ivanhoe, the cultivated collector, will give him a shout out because he got Doug his car GT and found me this Gull wing out of an estate. But it kind of ran, but didn't. Because it had been sitting for so long, the fuel was bad. So the first going through the Classic center, they woke it up, but then you shake it down. So we did the 1000 mile 300sl round shake down, where it was very fun, it was beautiful and all that stuff. The Gull wing owners, every one of them were over 80 years old. And it was. We didn't drive them that hard, but we had fun. It was leaking everything. The old cooler exploded, so we had to bypass that. The radiator was leaking, some coolant hoses were leaking. It needed a lot. The fuel delivery was still a little weird, so it needed more massaging at the Classic Center. So I picked it up from there, went to Jay Leno's garage and parked it next to his, and he drove my car and then down to Daddy Doug to say, hi, Daddy, for old time's sake.

[B]

There we go. He's making up for lost time.

[C]

Yeah. Eventually, I hope Doug wants to film a video. The intent was to park it next to his Carrera GT and be like, look, we both got our ultimate dream cars. We were talking about them in Autotrader In Atlanta seven, eight years ago. And now we got it. But his is broken. Busted.

[A]

Yeah, no, it's fixed. I just haven't been up there. And it's sad because on that drive we were doing today, we drove by the Porsche dealer where the car's sitting. Could have just picked it up, but I don't have a ride back. I'm thrilled you have the Srannar sl.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

What did it cost there at the Classic Center?

[C]

Oh, the repair cost.

[A]

Have you announced this yet? I don't want to.

[C]

No, I haven't. I haven't. But they're honestly, they're really taking good care of me. I mean, they wanted the car to be used for some events and stuff, and so it's half mil. Half a million dollars.

[A]

250. No, 200. No, 175.

[C]

Full retail on what they did would barely be six figures.

[A]

Can I ask you this? Are you concerned this is a big investment for you? It's an expensive car.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Are you concerned at all about the fact that the folks who have them are older and what's going to happen to that market in the next 20 years?

[C]

I am, but I'm not at the same time, because I'm done being Mr. Speculator and Mr. Buy Sell and all that stuff. And this was the adult dream car for me since I was 16 years old.

[A]

You want to keep it forever?

[C]

I would love to keep it forever if I have the ability to do so. Great. If I have to sell it down the road, at least, hey, I did it. And that's out of my head forever. It would suck if I did it 20 years later and it's a half a million dollar car instead of a $1.5 million car.

[A]

But even then, you would have had the experience, which is real.

[B]

Right.

[C]

I'm young to drive it on the.

[B]

Highway like that for a thousand miles.

[A]

And I bet a lot of the people on that rally, I bet wouldn't don't drive it like that.

[C]

Or wouldn't drive it like that.

[A]

No, it was really impressive.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I'm proud of you.

[C]

Well, congrats on the slr.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, we all.

[C]

We all Cheapskate Nick, as I started calling him, because I am.

[A]

I know that's true.

[C]

After. After me getting mad at Doug for saying the SLRs are going to not go up in value, which is true.

[B]

You know, the main reason I do this podcast is because they provide lunch right beforehand.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I get hungry.

[A]

Cheapskate. No, Nick.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Speaking of cheapskate, Nick, over The weekend we, me and Cheapskate, Nick and another fellow got our cars together and we created this picture here.

[B]

Justification for higher education.

[A]

Do you remember 2005?

[C]

Yeah, it looks like. Yeah, it looks like the movie Red line at the starting.

[B]

Eddie Griffin's about to wreck that end zone.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Do you remember? I mean, this was, to me, I always felt that it was the slr, the Courre gt and the Enzo. Just those three. The market has treated the Ford GT quite well. And obviously from a value perspective, it now obviously deserves to be in this group. Probably a Veyron should be in here too. Maybe a mercy. But like, this was it.

[C]

Yeah, absolutely.

[A]

So we have a friend who has these two, the Carrera GT and the Enzo. He does not have an SLR and a Ford gt. And so once Nick got the slr, we realized, hey, we could put this together.

[B]

Yep, you gotta do it.

[C]

But.

[A]

And so we. We did.

[C]

Great color palette. Yeah, it's wonderful. Yes, it is up. It is upsetting because, honestly, if you hadn't agreed to the 275, because I wasn't advertising for sale, I wouldn't have sold the car.

[A]

Oh, you're looking at this picture and you're wistful.

[B]

He had a very carmax mentality there.

[A]

What was the sticker on this new 490 or. Yeah, someone replied to the comment and was like, oh, what do you mean? It's 04 rich. It's rich. Today. All the cars have gone way up in value and there are a couple. Not the slr. All the other ones have, though. And in fact, from a percentage basis, you know, the Ford GT has increased as much as the Enzo in that one. Or the Courage GT. I don't remember one of the two. The Enzos, $650 new. Now they're like four, four and a half, five. Five and a half crore GTs went from $440,000 to two for that yellow one. My Ford GT was a 155 sticker, and it's probably a 500 car if it didn't have the miles I have on mine, which most of them don't. It's crazy.

[B]

You know what? Hoovier and I are off speculating and we buy Mercedes that are certainly going to lose more value in the future.

[A]

It was amazing to get these cars together and relay what I still consider to be.

[C]

There's been some really strong 300 SL sales lately, and a lot of younger people are getting into the more hip rallies like the Colorado grand and that kind of Stuff. So I'm hoping that the crypto bros keep up. A Goldwing is going to be like, yeah, Gold wing is a Goldwing.

[A]

That's the thing. Ultimately, I think a lot of these cars will lose their luster and lose value. I'm looking at you in my rearview mirror today thinking, I would buy one of those. I wouldn't spend what it currently is. I can't.

[C]

But when a million and a half in 10 years isn't a million and a half.

[A]

Exactly. If it did lose or start to decline with inflation, at some point I'd step in. It's like a C2 Corvette. There are some cars from that era. I'm not into cars in that era, but there are some cars from that era where you would do it at the right number.

[B]

You've had pretty much all of them too. Right. You've had the 65 Mustang. That was the club racer.

[C]

Yeah. There's a real Shelby.

[B]

You've had the Corvettes in the 4266 Corvette.

[A]

You know what hit me the other day, too? I was thinking about this because gull wings are 300sls are way more expensive than they should be. If you look at the production, there's an enormous number of 300 SLs. In fact, from a market cap perspective, the 300 SL is the most expensive car ever. They sell for 2 million bucks, and there's like 3,000 between the coupes and the roadster. It's an unbelievable number. They're not rare. They're pretty easy to find. There's always one available. Every rally has seven of them. In part because they're so easy to find.

[B]

Save this for your Sunday video where you talk down the value.

[A]

But what hit me was the F40 is the 300 SL, the next generation.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That also is a car that should not be what it costs. A car has no business being 3 and a half, half or 3 million considering how many there are. But the thing about the 300 SL, that is equal to the F40, there's something. There's like something special. It transcends production numbers. It transcends performance level. It is a truly special car to everyone beyond just standards that you use to judge other cars.

[C]

Right. And driving them. They live up to the hype. That 40 definitely lives up to the hype. When you drive it, they feel like something decades newer, I think.

[A]

Yeah, this certainly lives up to the hype. F40, I think it's more about the last Enzo's car. There's a lot of special things about it. The drive is not. The 300. SL drives incredibly well. I never really understood why so many people use them on vintage car rallies until I finally drove one and then it was like, oh, you could just drive it like it's a car.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is so untrue of every other 50s car. There's so much BS you have to contend with.

[C]

Right. And it's because of that tubular chassis for the most part. And that's why the Gullwing doors exist, because of the, you know, big sill on it.

[A]

So have you driven a roadster?

[C]

I have driven a roadster. Multiple roadsters.

[A]

Is it better?

[C]

It's. Yeah, it's better. They're a little more powerful, little. Little easier, more comfortable.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Comfortable. Steering's a little better. Yeah. Brakes, doors. Doors don't go up. Yeah.

[A]

That's the thing when. When push comes to shove. He sent an SLS to a group chat the other day and was talking about how cheap it was. It was like 120, 120 SLS Roadster.

[B]

But you can barely buy a Kia Telluride for that.

[A]

Look at him. Look at him. He's got some. My attitude with this look.

[C]

On the Gullwing route, they're allowing SLSs because a lot of these older people are just like, okay, I can't do this anymore. Even though they're pretty easy to drive. So the SLSS show up and you're just like. Because most of them are roadsters. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, the problem that I have with the SLS roadster, I think the coupe is cool. The roadster, especially since they came out with the AMG gt.

[B]

Yeah, it's tough.

[A]

Like, they look pretty similar. The AMG GT probably performs better. It's not like the SLS Roadster has a V12 or some crazy characteristic that makes it ultra special. The roadster is just kind of a car, to be honest. I mean, it's a really cool car. It drives in incredibly. But it's the. The coupe is like this where it is.

[B]

I know, but it's effectively the same car, just different doors and roof. And it's a 60 grand discount. Like it's a 40% off deal.

[A]

But I would argue.

[B]

And I usually prefer the convertibles.

[A]

Why not take it to the AMG GT Roadster? At that point, you can get another 60 grand off at the same performance level.

[C]

Yeah, but it's the same story with roadsters and gold wings. The gold wings are worth more. It's just. It's the icon they should be. I had to pay for It. It's not like I. Yeah, yeah, but.

[A]

You'Ll get it back when you sell it. You know what? I'll buy it from you.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

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[A]

Okay. We want to talk about one other thing. Do you have any interest. Oh, yeah, the curated rally on the.

[B]

Topic of a rally, since it's come up a few years.

[A]

Have you been seeing these pictures?

[C]

I know, it's insane.

[A]

How come you're not invited on this stuff?

[C]

I got invited.

[A]

Oh, my God. You're getting.

[D]

I'm not.

[C]

I went once to he had a Countach only rally, and then he invited me to the next one and I couldn't do it. And I know I'm. Yeah, yeah. Because I'm the guy that usually says yes. And I actually socialize in a normal human way without prying into people's personal lives or asking really odd questions.

[B]

Deeply personalized, generally like, oh, let's invite Hoovy.

[C]

He's pleasant to be around for the most part.

[A]

You think that's my problem?

[C]

Your social skills could use some.

[A]

I'm not. The questions aren't odd. It's what I want to know. Look, I don't want to talk about boring stuff like other people do. I want to get into the heart of the matter? I want to get in. I want to see what's really going on up here and in here.

[C]

But people don't want to. Like, most people don't want to know about baby mamas and, like, the things that you want to know about.

[A]

Have I said anything about that today? I've been very respectful about that today. Speaking of. Of how our.

[C]

Oh, geez, I'm doing great.

[A]

You brought it up. Anyway. So you think that's why Tamarion doesn't want me around?

[B]

Damn.

[A]

I could be driving next to this 430 scooter with Montana plates or next to that McLaren with Montana plates or next to that Singer with Montana plates, or next to that Carrera GT with Montana plates or next to 959 with Montana plates that doesn't have plates at all.

[C]

So when I did the Countach rally, yeah, it was only 300 miles. It was like Half Moon Bay into Monterey or something like that. Just around there. And 30 something cars and probably 10 of them went down, most of them permanently. Like, it was. It was something like, we cannot fix this on the side of the road. It was. It was. It was pandemonium. And only. It's only curated in their crew. One crew keeping it up.

[A]

So I do wonder when I see these images, what's really happening. Like, I know these cars.

[B]

Like, one of them broke down, and so they all partner.

[A]

All right, let's do a picture right here because this car is now getting done from the rally.

[B]

Supercar Unlimited did one where they were all turning left at, like, an intersection, and he was like, behind there. And you. It was like, I just can't imagine being in traffic and seeing that and be like, I am dying. I have reached heaven. This is a hallucination or some kind of, like, acid trip.

[A]

It was unbelievable, the pictures coming out of this. And they take all these high quality professional photos. It doesn't matter. It doesn't have to be just a random photo of something like this. It's incredible to see these cars. It's so rare that people are actually using any of these vehicles, let alone all of them together.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

They really one upped our Instagram post from last weekend.

[A]

Yeah, we post all the big four and they post the big 20. Man, if only I said yes to stuff, we could be on this rally right now.

[C]

But it's not just like. And it's not a polite no. And then you talk about this on the channel. It's like, hey, would you like to go to this with me?

[A]

It's gotten so bad.

[B]

People have now started to DM me saying Doug is too famous to respond to me. No, that's not true.

[C]

Is there a comment connection on the flight?

[A]

Oh, oh.

[C]

That sounds like an amazing experience. I love the invite. Thank you so much. You're such a great guy. I can't make it. It's like, how dare you ask me?

[B]

And that's what it's also like. You'd be like, hey, do you have time for a quick call? He'd be like, I'd rather eat my eyeballs with a fork. Like they're like over the top notes.

[A]

I will tell you this about phone calls. It is hard for me to explain how many times in every single day I get a message from somebody asking me for five minutes for a call. Truly, I would say five times a day I get a text, can you have five minutes for a call? And my experience living this life is that when you get a question like that, it is not a five minute phone call. It is a 14 minute phone call. And if you said yes to all of them, you're on the phone two hours every day about this BS or that BS and people. I just text me, email me, let me respond on my time. That's my phone call problem.

[C]

Well, and you call me more than you text me, which is interesting.

[A]

Well, you answer my calls, you answer and you.

[C]

But I already know. Okay, it's Doug. I need to rapid fire answers right now and I need to be quick about it. I need to be concise. And then I do. And then you.

[A]

Okay, bye.

[C]

Man, this is gone. It's very.

[A]

So, so. So the melee Miglia thing, you were like, you're like, I'm gonna do it.

[C]

Yes. Mercedes. Mercedes invited me out. So I said yes to. Mercedes invited me out at Monterey Car Week, which you had not attended in 20 years or whatever. It's like, oh, this is so hard. And so they invite me out and they have. I drive a roadster. It's my first time ever driving a 300 SL any. And at the end of it, it's like a religious experience for me. And I'm tearing up. Like there's tears going on. And this guy, thankfully, he doesn't think I'm a total nut. He's like, I'm gonna get you another shot at driving one of these. And it was the Mille Mia. So that was. Yeah.

[A]

With Carl the Austrian in the passenger seat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Can I tell you the real reason I say no, since you're calling me out on it? Since we're here on the pod.

[B]

I've got more. No stories to add here too.

[A]

A couple of years ago, I received some cash. And at the same time, I had a cash kid, and then I had another kid. And I really, really, really only like to be with my community and my family. And so I get invited to go on this trip.

[C]

You have children?

[B]

Yeah, I have children.

[A]

I would never do a rally, for example. It's just. I would just rather be with my family. I know. I know it's unusual, especially for dads. I have come to realize a lot of dads actually enjoy kind of getting away. I do not. I feel the exact opposite. I really, really.

[C]

I miss my kids too. It definitely tugs def. But you. You still want to experience life?

[A]

Well, I feel like I've done a lot of life experiences. Like, I did a lot of stuff. And now the next stage of life I'm experiencing, which I am. I am more excited about fatherhood than I ever expected that I would be.

[C]

The milestones and things that are very.

[A]

Fun and, like, if it were up to me, I don't think I'd be working at all, truthfully. And there are a few reasons why I still do it, but I really, truly, truly love being there. And I do say no to all. I used to say yes to every press trip and I would be gone all the time. This is before I had kids. And it was fine. It was life, but I just don't have to anymore.

[C]

I did trick or treating with the kids and then up at 6am to make it to Las Vegas to see the most Bugatti Veyrons in one spot every ever at the Wynn Concord, because that's never gonna happen again.

[A]

It was cool and the pictures were cool and it seemed neat.

[B]

And the reality is there's in between of I say no to everything, and I say yes to everything. Be selective.

[A]

The day of that thing, I went to a pumpkin patch with my children. We did a lot of games. We learned to throw darts for the first time. Preferable to the Bugattis lawn darts for the kids.

[C]

That's your magnetic. Oh, okay. All right.

[A]

I'm not casting sh. You do what you want. I'm sure you have a great balance and it works. But for me personally, I killed myself for 10 years for this job. I traveled all over the country, all over the world, shooting these videos, trying to be number one, the very first. And I was, and I still am for years and years and years. The first, the best, the most views and operating that level for that long is hard. And eventually when you don't have to do that anymore and you're able to slow down a little bit, I just realized what I actually love is the time with my family and with my community, my folks.

[C]

Okay, well, let's do a little role play then. John Tamarion, I'm giving you.

[A]

All right. John. Hey, John.

[C]

Hey Doug, how are you doing?

[A]

Oh yeah, hey.

[C]

Oh wait, wait. First I'm texting. Do you have five minutes for call?

[A]

No, sorry John.

[C]

So then it's done.

[B]

At the very beginning. It's done.

[C]

You've lost that opportunity.

[B]

So then.

[C]

Okay. But then he actually gets through the call.

[B]

John DM me and said, can you put me in touch?

[A]

I will tell you this. I joke about how I want to be on this rally. I would never do this.

[C]

So if you called him and say, would you like to come? No.

[A]

Maybe. Here's my thinking also. This is another thing I've learned about the truth children. Ten years from now, the children are not going to want to be around me as much or not going to be as excited.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And so at that time I probably will start doing something like this. And I've already thought to myself, I got invited with Audi to go on a crazy press trip to Germany where they had a brand new concept car that I was going to be able to drive. It seems so cool and I turn them down. That week we had a couple of kid events and I just didn't do it. Every month I volunteer at my kids school. I teach an art class at my kids elementary school.

[C]

Oh, I, I get it. I'm cramming a lot. A couple of days. One day.

[A]

But yeah, one day when the kids don't care as much. Yeah, I would say yes to this kind of stuff but having lived through the, the time when I traveled everywhere around the world for personal reasons and, and I did a ton of hardcore work and it was a lot. And now I've transitioned to this space. I, I'm, I'm, I want to really live this, this part of the world. My life.

[C]

Noble. But you were still, still the same way with the NOS before.

[A]

God, I wish I was. I said yes to everything. I had to do everything. I flew across the country to work all three.

[C]

You were doing. Yes, you were doing that for work. But as far as like youtubers didn't have access to events and things like this back then, like five years ago, asking to get into a quail as a YouTuber, like what? You know, like. So it's a little different nowadays I.

[A]

Don'T like, like personal trips. I will say, like free personal trips are like not a thing for me. You were like shocked I didn't take my car lift for free at my house.

[B]

I paid.

[C]

Oh, right, right.

[A]

I just don't. I don't want to do the whole quid. I don't.

[C]

They don't care. They just want a picture occasionally with the bend pack showing. Like they didn't ask for anything from me.

[D]

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[B]

Speaking of saying yes to things or saying no to things, I got a surprise story for everyone. Oh, wow.

[A]

This is exciting.

[B]

I chose yes. Oh.

[C]

Oh my. Oh. Welcome back to the club.

[B]

Got another car. Yes. Fellow P38 on owner. Fellow yes Sayer over here.

[A]

Tyler.

[B]

I'm sure will appreciate it.

[C]

Was it cheaper than mine?

[A]

It was. It was free.

[B]

Oh, a listener of the pod. Ryan, you're the. You're the man.

[A]

I hate you.

[B]

He sent it to me. I paid shipping only and a new battery. I have a P38. It's on my YouTube channel. If you're watching this now, why are you doing?

[C]

How are the head gaskets?

[B]

We're gonna. It runs and drives. Does leak a little. It doesn't have a glove box for some reason.

[C]

How are the head gaskets?

[B]

It's good.

[A]

It's good.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

It's actually at a mechanic now. Just to confirm it's good, but which. It's got new BFGs on it.

[A]

Why did you do this?

[B]

I love the P38. I missed it. It just felt like I lost like a finger.

[A]

You know the rest of them are going to kill you. It's not just me. The rest of them.

[B]

I know. That's why I kept it a secret until now. And I wanted to get a reaction from you all of how mad you are that I got another one.

[A]

It upsets me for the following reason. We had the P38. We moved on from the P38.

[B]

You moved on from the P30. I stayed.

[A]

You sold it. You were done.

[B]

I wasn't done. I sold it.

[A]

Does the arnaz. Did the arnage teach you nothing?

[B]

Not to get another hornage.

[A]

But did it not teach you that you don't want to take up space in your life in your garage with a car that doesn't run?

[B]

I'm going to. I feel like I've learned enough about the P38 that I kind of know how to do this now. I can finesse it. I can whisper to it. It's going to leak a little. I'm going to lift it. Get the bull guards. We're going to go off roading. It's going to be some much fun.

[C]

I already got the bull guard, so.

[B]

Yeah, I know.

[C]

200 bucks. Have I done what?

[A]

Have you ever had one of these?

[B]

He just bought one.

[C]

I just bought one for 3200 bucks at Barrett Jackson. It was the cheapest car to sell at Barrett Jackson.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And it was. It was nice.

[A]

What year?

[C]

It's 2000.

[A]

What year is this?

[B]

We're going to do what ed bully and did imagos and hype P38 until they're unobtainable.

[A]

No, you could never. People don't People. Absolutely.

[B]

Well, clearly they're free. Literally free.

[A]

There is not a land rover shop in this country that it doesn't have six of them sitting in the back in various states of air.

[B]

When I pulled into the new mechanic, it was literally parked next to a parts car.

[C]

But yours isn't on air ride, is it?

[B]

No, it's been coil spring converted. It's a 98, but it has some of the facelift bits.

[C]

That's what I was surprised when I said in the video, nobody's still riding on the air ride with these. And then people are in the comments. My air ride still works.

[B]

No. The EAS purists are super.

[A]

I never really understood the benefit of EAs either because. Have you ever driven them back to back? It doesn't ride much. Much better.

[C]

I thought it ride better because they're kind of.

[A]

It doesn't. The main benefit is that you can lift it, you can get it taller, which I actually did use in my 06 a lot. Like when I was going on the beach, I. I would lift it up because sometimes stuff would get caught underneath. But that's not that enough of a benefit to deal with the hassle. Yeah.

[B]

I can't believe I'm so happy. It's. It's bringing me immense joy and pleasure. I say yes, Doug.

[C]

I say pod come out. Is it later day or two?

[A]

Friday.

[C]

Friday.

[A]

Why you got it? I got.

[B]

Oh, the embargos are getting left in.

[C]

I mean I'll do a little spoiler.

[B]

All right.

[C]

Is this. I found A mint California one. Owner 99 Cadillac Escalade.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

First gen, first year. OG. First year.

[C]

First year.

[B]

How mint.

[C]

And it has the bars on it.

[A]

Four wheel drive.

[C]

Four wheel drive.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Black.

[A]

How many miles?

[C]

90,000. One owner.

[A]

OE Wheels.

[C]

Not OE Wheels, but I can find them really good.

[B]

How many Escalades have you had now?

[C]

A bunch.

[A]

A bunch.

[B]

But now.

[C]

But I'm so excited to have the 99 Escalade and the 2000 Range Range Rover both. And this one has aftermarket cattle guards on it.

[A]

Oh, you can make your own music video.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I'm so excited to have those two. Just like in the wintertime. Just like. Which one do I get in today? Obviously the Chevy's gonna start more often. Yeah, the Cadillac. But yeah, the Range Rover will start.

[B]

It'll just beep at you a lot for no reason.

[C]

It sounds like a plane that's about to crash. The bongs and bings the.

[B]

And like the ABS light coming on is a standard value until you start driving. It's like why you're warning me about things you don't even need to warn me about.

[C]

Welcome back. Yeah.

[A]

That. We had an Escalade in the shop. I did a video on a first gen Escalade and it isn't luxurious anymore. You know, by today's standards. You drive around feels like a tahoe. But I still think it looks good. It still drives fine. The motor's plenty potent and yet it starts every time. I mean it's just like that.

[C]

That, that five, seven and the size of it too. I know there's are. The SUV's are wider because it's safer now, but that, that size just works too. And that being a truck frame that Truckee feel at that size. Because now, like a. What's. What's. The equinox is the same size as a Tahoe was 20 years ago. But it's a unibody. It feels different. It feels like a car that's. It's just perfect.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

There you go. You're all. We're all getting big old SUVs.

[B]

Yep. We're saying yes.

[A]

I gotta say, you're getting a Jeep. I wouldn't. I wouldn't rule it out. I just know the G wagon isn't going to last me forever. And I think the 392 Wrangler is the coolest, reliable, fun SUV you can get.

[B]

He could probably dig up an Evoque in his yard.

[A]

I. I don't think that's any more reliable than the.

[B]

Actually, didn't he sell it on the site?

[C]

I did. Yeah.

[A]

I can't believe you did this.

[B]

You.

[A]

You're gonna regret it.

[B]

My favorite part of this is. So they got that, contacted me, and I thought I was a scam forever. And then he was like, oh, can you send me $200 for a new battery? I'm like, okay. Finally. That's the catch. He had commented on my last P38 auction and said, I admire how well aligned your glove box was. And I thought that was such a weird comment. And then I realized three years later, his glove box is still not even hanging on from the dashboard.

[C]

So, yeah, I had someone offer me a W12 Volkswagen Phaeton for free. They'll just send it to me, but the opening email, and I won't say exactly what it was, but they. They were a porn star and they want to give me a Phaeton. Adult entertainer.

[A]

Did you do it?

[C]

My friend Jake? I said, hey, you want this Phaeton? And he took it. But it was like wanting to collaborate. And I was like, I only would want to know what they're thinking.

[A]

I would want to know collaborate. You have some fans in certain communities who would like to know what they're thinking.

[C]

Daddy.

[A]

Okay, I want to talk about the Bentley. And then we got to move on to Market Report. The questions are great this week, and we don't have a lot of time for them. Market Report's going to be super quick. Can we quickly discuss the Bentley and what's going on there?

[B]

Did it. That's the end of the slideshow. The Bentley is photographed. It is going live next week, Thursday. However, I want your advice here in the Talk Cars as a market expert. If it goes Live Thursday. The auction will end the following Friday, which is Black Friday in America. It's one of the biggest shopping holidays. 1. Is that a bad idea?

[A]

Nick, get the car sold.

[B]

Okay. But is Black Friday a good day to sell a car?

[A]

Here's what's happened.

[B]

Do I need to offer free shipping?

[A]

Repeatedly over the last six months he's been trying to sell it. And every time he gets close, another warning light comes on. Another problem pops up. Another issue comes on.

[C]

Done that. Yeah.

[A]

And I wouldn't quibble over the date. I would get the car live as quickly as possible and try to conceal as many of the obvious.

[B]

We're being super honest. It. It's. It needs to go to the right type of person. That.

[C]

I feel like Black Friday people still have money in their bank. And as you get closer to Christmas, it's getting like drained. Like, okay, I need to wait till after Christmas before I recover. So I think you're. I think you're safe. And the car, It'll be early Black.

[B]

Friday, like door buster time. Not.

[C]

I think you're still safe.

[A]

I got a big vid going live on Black Friday too, which I think is going to bring people the site. Either way. I wouldn't. You need to get it gone.

[B]

You're losing enormous. It is parked behind your head and it is not moving until the shipper comes.

[A]

And it may not even move then.

[B]

No, it. That's.

[C]

That's the thing. I mean, do you. I guess. I guess you've gone through it enough. But like, I, I feel bad selling a car that I know is not going to be good for someone down the road.

[A]

This car is as nice as it could have been. He bought a crappy one on Bring a trailer that was so crappy, they refunded him his fee. Bring the trailer. I'm sorry.

[B]

Bring the trailer.

[A]

Bring the trailer.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was really poorly incorrectly represented. So he bought it and he knew it was kind of a crappy one. It turned out really bad. He brought it in the office. The first day I had in the office, this coolant smell was like. It was like someone had poured coolant up my nose. And he's over here. Like, I don't smell anything.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

It's true. But he's gotten it a lot better. But it's still in our office and a kind of a project.

[C]

I feel like with cars like that, I sort of want to like, curate the buyer on like. I need to pre qualify them to like, okay, can you handle this? Where you put it on auction. You don't know who you're getting. And you know.

[B]

So the Murcielago owner is a great guy, but he's incredibly fastidious. Notebooks on everything. And I've gotten a lot of post sale questions, not complaints. Like, he's being very kind about it, but like probably five times a day. It's like, hey, how long do the bat wings go up at precisely what temperature? And you're like, okay, I want to make sure that type of person does not buy the RNOs because I would ideally never like to hear from them.

[C]

Well, and like one of Doug's legendary stories is when you were selling your360 and the people that were. Wasn't there a lawyer that was trying to litigate it with you as far as like the price and how horrible it was to sell a Ferrari to a lawyer?

[A]

I always hate that kind of thing and I'm always trying to get out. And I'll tell you, my Land Cruiser is the worst car sale experience I've ever had. But we don't have to discuss that here on the pod Instead, that's where.

[C]

Cars and bids is so much easier.

[A]

I guess it is easier, although I sold that on cars and bids. But anyway, the rest of my cars and bid sales, by the way, have been incredibly smooth and easy. And part of the benefit of cars and bids is you really can do a lot of real disclosure and kind of point back to the listing when they come at you later. Yo, this was here.

[B]

It's honestly my favorite part. I'm shell whatever bias cars and bids having the just bullet point known flaws.

[A]

I know.

[B]

It's so nice that is buried on other auction sites or at least not as clear like it's kind of then like you couldn't have overlooked this or misconduct Read it. It is bullet points impossible to miss. Yeah, it's with a bold H2 heading tag saying known flaws.

[A]

Yeah. It's good for sellers and buyers.

[C]

And yeah, I didn't tell you the doors and the SLR don't all the way.

[B]

Yeah, you did tell me about the rearview mirror. And I think.

[C]

Well, I didn't think about it because and it was the summertime, so the door is much better when it's super hot outside.

[A]

We're going over SLR post.

[C]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[A]

Okay. We need to do market report and then we got to move on to questions. A lot of the questions, believe it or not, for some reason apply of you just even though we didn't say you were on the pod.

[B]

A lot of them do.

[C]

Some are not the questions you kind of like to ask.

[A]

Market report. I want to talk about the ev.

[B]

Who is it brought by?

[A]

Can you go to the. The market report is brought to you by Hui's Garage. It's the greatest Automotive channel on YouTube. He's got a farm now. There's a silo, a grain silo. And in that silo, he keeps his grain there. Folks, this is the kind of channel you want to Support on the YouTube.

[C]

Thanks for repping the merch there. The blouse.

[A]

That's the silo right there.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Holy crap. This is all the way from Butler county, folks. We're not even in Sedgwick county anymore.

[B]

Are you doxxing, Tyler?

[A]

Oh, was that not public?

[C]

I thought it was fine. It's fine.

[A]

I thought everybody knew where this. You got the plates on all the cars?

[C]

Yes, it's fine.

[A]

All right, pull up the Evo. And then we got to go on to questions.

[B]

How do I pull up the evo?

[A]

You go into there and you type in evo. Evo. All right, now hit enter. Now go down to it. You see this sale? No, we sold last year.

[B]

Wow, that's money.

[A]

06. Now, this is the best Evo.

[B]

What did you sell yours for?

[C]

Well, I gave it away in sort of like you buried it sweepstakes thing.

[A]

This is the best Evo. Okay. The nine was the last of the old school evos before the 10 came and kind of screwed things up, Which I actually like the 10. But the 9 is really cool. The Mr. Was the high performance one. Super rare. Not many people got it because it had a lot of stripped out stuff that like, made the experience worse. And then it's an 8800 mile car.

[B]

None are left.

[A]

8800 miles. One owner. None are left. One owner. However, a $75,000 Evo sale astonished me. I was really, really, really surprised. Obviously really nice ones are desirable and valuable. I did not realize they were reaching this levels of desirability and value. It's pretty cool.

[B]

My favorite quirk, that is a. That momo steering wheel, also in a Lamborghini Mercielago.

[A]

That's right.

[C]

See, and I thought the eights can do this, but not the nine.

[A]

Then I think the community feels that the eights and the nines still had that kind of cool old school evo thing to them. And I feel that way too, as a guy who really loves evos and still wants a six. Amazing result, though. But you gotta Figure this is one of those find another cars. Like you're never gonna find another one owner. Mr. With no miles. It's just not gonna happen.

[C]

I was watching 2 Fast 2 Furious on the flight. It was on American Going up. That movie holds up. Oh yeah. With that Evo and the Eclipse. The Eclipse is a joke but the evo is alright.

[A]

I've seen 3 and up but 1 and 2 are great.

[C]

They hold up to this day.

[A]

Great content. Your pockets aren't in. I love that movie. Glad you were watching it.

[C]

It might be my favorite movie. Thinking about on the plane, like I'm smiling the whole time I'm laughing at all this.

[A]

More than one I think.

[C]

More than one. I think just because I like the muscle cars and stuff in it and like the. It's more diverse as far as. Because it's a little more jdmy in the first one and I'm. You know. But it has everything in this.

[A]

Yeah, that's true.

[B]

That's so it's not the one too where Paul says cuz pockets an empty case. Don't worry about it cuz. Yeah, whatever.

[C]

And that's at the end. Yes.

[A]

And it's in Florida.

[B]

Number one is number one.

[A]

Number one is number one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's just too many danger to manifold. There's just too many things.

[C]

Now when they have the gun where it like electrically fries the car when they shoot it.

[A]

I forgot about that.

[C]

So the Evo, he's like sticking out the Evo like trying to get the thing off and throws it off and he's like trying to electrocute himself and. Yeah, it's great. It's the best.

[A]

Race Wars.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

One is so good. It's just like life changing.

[B]

More than you can afford.

[A]

Do you know that the entire Fast and the Furious franchise was based on an art that was written about a guy who like embedded himself in like the nighttime tuner community doing that kind of thing. He wrote an article for New Yorker and they based the movie on that. And years later he admitted the article was fake and he did actually do any of this stuff.

[B]

Wow, I didn't know that part.

[A]

Yeah, good stuff. Anyway, Eve and I. You interested now?

[C]

I did it. I believe it was 10, but it was fun.

[A]

That was probably a 35 car in his movie New Right. If that for an Mr. Okay, we gotta move on to questions. Questions are brought to you by April's Channel.

[C]

April's Garage.

[A]

April's Garage, which is a great automotive YouTube channel.

[C]

I, I very much enjoy April's Garages. Collaborating with her.

[A]

What does April think about the Gullwing?

[C]

She is very supportive of the Gullwing.

[A]

Yes. Does she want an nsxt?

[C]

Her dream car is the Buick gnx. Ultimate dream car Car.

[A]

Does she already have one?

[B]

She's the El Camino one.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

Oh, yes, yes.

[C]

But not the gnx.

[A]

She wants a gnx. A real boy. Hard to blame her. That's a cool car. Yeah, I love those things. I love Grand Nationals, too. Okay, first question. I want to get this out of the way from JT921. Doug, the owner of Beyond Lincoln, is building a Lincoln Bronco G Wagon wants to get in touch with you. Everybody on the Internet has reached out about this. I understand that this is happening.

[C]

This is where you could be polite.

[B]

Are you gonna say no?

[A]

It's not related to me other than he's doing it and he wants to tell me, but I want Lincoln to do it. My whole point in that rant that I did a couple of months ago was I want Lincoln to do this. Oe. It's cool that people are doing it. I'm sure this won't be the only one. I want Lincoln to go out there and make a G Wagon like Abraham himself. You're not gonna give him crap for that. You're gonna let that go?

[C]

Dad jokes. We're all dads here.

[A]

All that we've done.

[B]

I agree. Oe. It's OE or it's a mod.

[A]

Like, I think the mods are cool, and I hope he does it and does it really well, and I think that's awesome. But I want. My point was not that it could be done. Of course it could be done. I want Lincoln. I think Lincoln should do it.

[B]

You know what I'm surprised by on your site? The shocking number of Charger convertible conversions that look like toe. Yeah. Challenger. I knew I was going to do that.

[A]

To this day, I think one of my. To me, one of the great mysteries of the entire car industry is that they never did a convertible Challenger. Has this ever hit you?

[C]

Like, yeah, why don't they do that?

[B]

People are doing it in mass and they look nice.

[A]

Camaro and Mustang both came in convertibles and was a pretty good chunk of sales. They sold the challenger for 17 years. It's not like they couldn't have made the money back on what doing a convertible. And also Chrysler was famous for. They had the Sebring.

[B]

I mean, yeah, I was just gonna say the Sebring. The Solara. Like, there's been way cars turned into convertibles.

[A]

It's not even about the quality. It's just like, I never understood why they didn't do that. It never made sense to me why they didn't do that. You had a convertible challenge, didn't you?

[C]

No, no, I have the Challenger Hemi right now, the Hellcat.

[A]

Do you wish it was a convertible?

[C]

No, actually, I don't. Yeah, you do. I. I enjoy it.

[A]

It never made sense. The next time I'm at a Chrysler event, I'm gonna just straight up ask.

[C]

But I think the polite way to say it, like, that's a really cool idea. I would love to review it. The traveling's very hard, but I appreciate it. And if you would like to sell no reservoir on cars or bids, I.

[A]

Would love to ship the polite site.

[C]

Ship it here and. And we'll sell it. No reserve.

[A]

You think the polite way to do is like 20 do a plug, like, sell them on it?

[C]

Well, no, like, I would love. If they want to bring it here and sell on the cars and bits.

[A]

Please take the guy and do a little 90 degree, a little bit of.

[C]

Polite salesman y kind of things. Like, hey, the first one.

[A]

Yeah, this is the CarMax background talking. CarMax got Ovi. They taught him how to sell, sell, sell, sell. And he's been doing it ever since.

[B]

200 bucks at a time.

[A]

He sold you that SLR.

[B]

Well, Abraham, if you're listening, I'll review it on Nick Rashant, the second best hoopty channel on YouTube.

[A]

All right, next question from Reed, MSS. Hey, Doug and friends, do you get involved in the car shopping process for your spouses or do you let them pick the cars they like? Even if you might not, I'm curious what your answer is.

[B]

So funny enough, our live now on the cars and bids. I'll plug your business here. Oh, we picked cars for our significant others. And my wife said, I watched your video. Horrible choices. I completely disagree with everything. In fact, I would not be caught dead in the first choice you had for me. So I don't. No, my wife, she picks cars based on feel, based on vibes more than anything.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's very hard to predict how someone's gonna feel about.

[A]

But the vehicle she's driving is one that you purchased with limited.

[B]

Yeah, no, I bought it for myself and then gave it to her, basically. But had I involved her, it would have taken longer and like, no, she needs to make the decision for her. I'll say, like, hey, stay away from that car. It's got a horrible reputation. But, like, basically just veto Power. I'm not gonna pick it, but I will just steer her in the right direction. She's also a better negotiator than I.

[A]

But I don't understand you're saying this but the car she is driving is a car that she had.

[B]

No, it was foisted on her though, like she didn't have a choice. I said here's a car.

[A]

But what you're saying is that you allow her the ability to choose and let her do it. But what actually happened is that you bought a car and. And pushed it on her and she's been driving it for years now.

[B]

Yeah, now she's like emotionally attached to it.

[A]

What about you? You just buy cars and then April drives them, right?

[C]

Pretty much. I mean, yeah. And she's such a big.

[B]

She's got great taste in cars. So you can trust her.

[C]

It's easy.

[A]

Is she still driving that town car you guys bought on the site?

[C]

Yes. The silver Rouse metallic that gets out every once in a while.

[B]

She.

[C]

She's in the right now because it's a little cold. She's in the con LGT because the heated seats work. I tried to put her in the Panamera 4S but it had a bit little hiccup. But look at all this cars.

[A]

Bid on 71 cars last week. You better escalate for six grand.

[C]

Yeah, he needs more Escalate. Been on every single one? Pretty much. I mean it was never sell for six.

[A]

Been on a C class wagon.

[B]

It was a six speed manual super base one.

[C]

I bid once.

[A]

No, that was the only one we got. Okay, I want to do the next question here.

[B]

Oh, there's the winner.

[A]

Yeah, the link you bought that on the site from. Oh, from David.

[C]

I. I didn't know that.

[B]

A Lotus Esprit.

[C]

That would have been a good choice.

[A]

You ever have one?

[C]

No.

[B]

Oh, a supra Mark 4.

[A]

No, no esprit. But yeah Mark 4 also.

[C]

But a lot of these are just fussy bits.

[B]

Was this the car you did to.

[C]

Manual swap like a post two and then it did.

[B]

It was too nice.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Okay, here's a great question that is very relevant to you. It's about AM General from Herkopotamus. Guys, while you debate about whether to import an aventime, you're missing the American made equivalent you can buy right now. The VP MV1. You know this car?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What a. With a face. You could give the. They could give the multiple run for the money. What are you waiting for? Buy a VPG MV1, sell it on cars and Bits. Have you ever thought about getting an MV1?

[C]

Not for a moment, no.

[A]

But it's, isn't it up your alley?

[B]

I mean, I would cancel my Uber so quick if that's what it was.

[C]

Right. For those of you, this is why.

[B]

Kenan only rides an Uber. Black is cuz there's a threat that this could pick him up a otherwise.

[A]

So true. You know about. You know what this is? Do you know what this is? This is a mobility car. The goal was to create a car that was handicapped. Disabled accessible. And so they did. It's a vpg, stands for Vehicle purpose group or something like that. And MV1 was the vehicle. And I don't think it exists anymore, but it was like a wheelchair friendly mobility vehicle. And they're around, you see them. Taxis have them sometimes. You see when New York has taxicabs.

[C]

A lot of medical transport.

[B]

Yeah, it looks like a failed bid for a government rfp. So that makes sense.

[A]

Exactly that. And to that end, they were built at the AM General facility in Indiana, which is of course where your favorite vehicle, the Hummer came from. You've never thought about buying one of these?

[C]

No, not for a moment. What engine is it? That's why I don't remember. It's probably a four cylinder like the eGoTech.

[B]

No, looks like a bad AI hallucination.

[A]

Got a big old V8 on the hood. It's rear wheeel drive. It's rear wheel drive with a 4.6 L Ford modular V8. Dude, you could termy Cobra swap this thing.

[B]

Could you?

[A]

Imagine what.

[B]

There's the taxi one right there.

[C]

That's. That's interesting. So. Yeah, it's old school taxi cab spec. Yeah, see, you saw some of them in New York's taxis.

[A]

It is interesting. Yeah, you do. Even to this day. It is interesting. You're over here talking about how you want Panther platform.

[C]

Yes, that's the best thing built at.

[A]

The AM General facility. Rear wheel drive, 4.6 liter Ford V8.

[C]

That's probably closer to like a Checker Marathon than Panther platform. It's versatile, you know.

[A]

Yeah, it looks like a Checker Marathon too. It is rear wheel drive. This is weighs 6,600, so it's a little portly, but you could do some weight reduction. The wheelchair ramp you could pop out.

[C]

That is an obscure car question.

[B]

I suppose we'll take the Aventine personally.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. This is another great question that I'm glad you're here for. Dear Doug from 63 Splitty. I just watched your newest video and I'm excited for the Celestiq review, which is actually called Celestic. They don't call it Celestiq.

[B]

Noted.

[A]

Do you think we could get a little sneak peek of your thoughts? I will give my thoughts, but I'm curious what you think. You're a GM guy. This is a very unusual product. You must have some thoughts on it.

[C]

I'm okay with it. Yeah, I think. Think it's. I mean, if. If you're gonna have a Rolls Royce Spectre for what. How much are those?

[A]

Yeah, the same.

[C]

Same amount of money. And Cadillac can have a Halo car that's electric. And, you know, if there's enough hip hop artists that want to buy it and things, it kind of makes sense if, like, have a Halo car. I guess. Yeah, I'm okay with it.

[A]

Okay with it. Do you think it's a. It was the right direction as a Halo?

[B]

No.

[A]

Do you think it's cool? Like, are you interested in it?

[C]

No, no.

[B]

They.

[A]

They.

[C]

I guess because they do the. I mean, the electric Escalade is pretty much it. They could have just made a super duper version of the electric Escalade and it would have, like a Maybach Escalade. I think that probably would have hit a little better.

[A]

Yeah, I think that that's a good point that I hadn't considered. I am surprised given that Cadillac was a pioneer in the luxury SUV space and has been so successful with luxury SUVs that the decision to make a flagship car ends up with a sedan and not even really a sedan. It's like kind of a hatchbacky thing, which is cool to me, but I don't know if that design will appeal to everybod. My personal thought, I drove it and I'll put. The video will come out and you want to watch the video because there's a ton of crazy quirks and features to this car. But in terms of my thought on the market position, the driving experience, it was amazing to drive. It drives like a Rolls Royce. It really, truly does. It is incredibly soft, incredibly comfortable. The base sticker price is $400,000. And I have trouble believing that Cadillac as a brand realistically can play in that, I mean, roles has trouble selling new cars. And it's hard to imagine that Cadillac gets there especially with an ev, which I think is even a little bit.

[C]

Of a hard time. I feel like it's hard to give it to the right movies or influencers because there's not this big product placement moment where you can really do that. And like, oh, my God, look at this. Like the R8 and Iron man where everybody sees it. So you can't make something cool enough to. I don't know. Or like when it was the Tom cruise with the BMW i8, that kind of thing.

[A]

How do you make that cool as an interesting.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

How do you get that in front of people and convince them this is something that you should want? I think most people don't even really know about it. And it's kind of difficult to.

[C]

Right.

[A]

If your Cadillac. To have that mouth.

[C]

And it's kind of close to the lyric as far as the. It's a stretch. I mean, it's not. It's not that dramatically different enough. Where like the R8 was.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

And the.

[A]

Especially because a lot of EVs have kind of a striking design. And so it's not like you look at it and instantly realize that it's a $400,000 car.

[C]

But I. I regret the Lyriq selling it because it was the only electric car that I've owned, and I've owned many at this point. Just because for the YouTube channel. It's the only one that felt like, okay, this feels like a nice.

[B]

You replace the cyber truck with that, right?

[A]

No.

[C]

Cyber. Yeah. Cybertruck went to Lyric. Lyriq went to Silverado ev. Silverado EV is the work truck. But the big battery.

[B]

You still have that?

[C]

I still have it. It's 450 miles of range. I never plug it in.

[A]

Honestly. Silverado EV is going to fail. It's going to be a huge failure, obviously. How. However, there's the work truck with the big battery. Is this like, unspoken incredible thing. It has the most range of NV.

[C]

I got it for 37 grand. It's an 80 grand.

[A]

So for 37 grand, you get 450 miles of electric range.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That can do anything.

[C]

But it was an 80 grand car.

[A]

New.

[C]

It doesn't have heated seats. It has vinyl floors. That's the thing. It's just heated seats. An $80,000 car. Anyway. Yo.

[A]

It's crazy. They sent me a work truck as a press car. I remember I was like, this is a wild, totally out of whack value prop. But performance is impressive and EV range is unbelievable.

[B]

I haven't driven this Cadillac you guys are talking about. However, I do assume it's supposed to be a halo car. It's not supposed to be a commercial success.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know if they want to lose money on it, but they're not. It doesn't need to catch on it. Just enough people need to talk about it to think about. Cadillac is capable of producing a Rolls Royce level vehicle. So I think mission accomplished. Just in the sense that you were mentioning them in the same breath as this, I guess.

[A]

I do think it hasn't gotten around. I think it suffers from the LFA problem, which is if the Halo car becomes too rarefied, it is not well enough known to actually serve as the Halo car. And I think that the R8 did an amazing job of not being rarefied at all and actually being a really successful Halo car because you see them around and it makes you want an Audi. You're never going to see. You never saw an LFA on the street. Nobody ever did. You never will see a Celestiq on the street. Maybe one here and there like an lfa, but it's not enough. And we are talking about them, but we're also like a very in car podcast. A regular person knows what an R8 is.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And won't know.

[B]

And all of us would rather have a cn.

[C]

So probably the last ones to do it like a Cullinan, the Urus, the Maybach Gls, those are all ones where like the normal public's like, whoa, look at that.

[B]

Like that.

[C]

I don't think the Celestiq is going to do it.

[A]

I agree.

[C]

I agree.

[A]

Okay, two more questions. Two more questions. Two more questions from Reid, 1971. This is for all of us. Okay, so Jaguar comes to its senses, realizing the rebranding is crap. The horrid stuff they've been putting out there is crap. You've been hired as a think tank to make Jaguar have 100% successful turnaround. What would you do? What would you do?

[B]

We'd go back in time and invent CarMax.

[A]

Not Tesla. CarMax. I think about this. It's an interesting thing. Jaguar has one unusual hamstring that no one talks about, which is that they can't do SUVs like every everybody else because Land Rover already does that. So it's not like they could just show up and start making a full line of luxury SUVs. The Land Rover dealers and Land Rover as a brand would freak out. And so Jaguar is always going to kind of be stuck not doing that. So as long as SUVs are hottest, Jag's got to do something else.

[B]

And sedans are dead. And if you want a British sports car, you get an Aston Martin. They're kind of just in no man's land.

[A]

There's not A lot of people want one of those.

[B]

Yeah, right. If anything, Aston should buy them and just put them out of business. So they are the British sports car manufacturer.

[A]

I think what you do, you take the small luxury sedan, you do a version with 600 horsepower and put a giant cat logo on the outside.

[B]

Yeah. Project eight.

[A]

You remember that?

[B]

I'm super into that.

[A]

I still want one of those. That is one of the few cars.

[B]

I do too, but for like 45.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not 200.

[A]

I don't think they're 200 anymore. You remember that car?

[B]

They're deep six figs.

[A]

You would you buy one of those? Big spoiler.

[C]

Yeah. It's dumb.

[A]

You wouldn't get one. They did them with rear seat delete.

[B]

There's also the sporting. Like the shooting break ones in 2012.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The XF.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What would you do if you're jagged?

[C]

I would probably partner with like a Japanese manufacturer. Wow.

[A]

That's a.

[C]

Like Honda and just create a luxury car with like a Honda underpinnings and then because their reputation for that. Done.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But I guess Honda already has Acura. But I'm trying to think of some way to just like, hey, so it's this but. And it's 40 grand. That's interesting.

[A]

Go to Mazda and say, hey, you don't have a brand, but we have a name. And if you. And here's a way to do this on the cheap.

[B]

Decent styling short of the last concept. Like Jaguars have always been pretty.

[A]

That's not the superst thing I ever heard. Especially because like MG has become a Chinese. Like there's proof that this is actually.

[C]

A possibility to take the Miata and bring back the E type. With the Miata, yeah, you could.

[A]

I do think in any Jaguar future iteration, a true Halo sports car like the E Type is an essential. Not like the the F type, but more expensive, more rarefied and probably more exciting in order to at least make it cool again. Like something really cool.

[C]

What if they. I mean, because I guess they did it with. With Alpha Fiat or whatever. You know where it was a Miata thing. But what. What if they stretch the nose a little bit to make it?

[A]

You couldn't do a four cylinder. I mean you have to.

[C]

So. But it means you get the Miata platform but you stretch the nose and to get a bigger engine in the front. But it's basically a Miata. It is an interesting point that like a CX5 and 7 just lugs.

[A]

Just nice. Yeah, yeah. It is an interesting point. That's actually not the stupidest thing I ever heard. That's me putting it politely.

[B]

Yeah, that's you. Not.

[A]

That's actually truly. It's not a bad idea because. Because, yeah, the current iteration is done. And I remember when we. When they announced the new thing and did that video. Did you see the crazy video with all the weird people? Everybody's like, oh, they're going woke. They're going to go broke. And my point was, they're already broke.

[C]

Yeah, they're done.

[B]

They.

[A]

This isn't going to hurt them any more than they're hurt.

[C]

This is like the flailing death.

[A]

But the name is still valuable. And so to your point, you could take the name and put it to something kind of appealing that maybe isn't as costly to launch, that already has a dealer network. Okay, final question, final question, final question, final question. Oh, this is a good one, actually, for you. I'm glad we have this one from financial crisis. That's another reason why it's good for you.

[C]

You don't want financial advice from me.

[A]

Doug, I bought a 2001 Boxster S after seeing your original 986 video. You did? I just reviewed a 986 S a couple of weeks ago. I love that car so much, especially for the money. How often do you have people approach you that have bought a car because of a review you did, and do they tend to agree with your assessment of the car? It happens to me every. At least a couple times a week, someone will come up to me and say, I bought my car in part because of you or entirely because of you and your video, whatever. Which is so ironic to me because for years I had to fight the automakers on getting me cars. And people are making purchase decisions on YouTube all day long. They understand that now, obviously. What, do people do this for you? You don't review cars the same level?

[C]

Well, because I buy them, so I bought some. My.

[A]

But you're still giving.

[C]

Your model is terrible because I have to actually buy the cars, unlike you.

[A]

But you're still giving a lot of opinions and information.

[C]

Yes. And usually I bought this because of you. I am so sorry. For the most part, that's my standard answer. I'm so sorry that you bought that. But it's. Yeah, it's a thing.

[A]

But people do say it.

[C]

We are influencers. We influence. We're influencers.

[A]

We are influencers.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

You've influenced me to say yes to.

[C]

Try or to just say no politely. Not like, oh, God, oh, God.

[A]

Do you know my rule about where I'LL travel.

[C]

Yeah. Well, you can't have a connection, right?

[A]

Well, that's definitely true. That I won't go north of the Hyundai building on the 405. There's a Hyundai has this headquarters off the 405 about, I don't know, an hour and a half from here. And if it's north of there, I won't do it.

[C]

Bummer.

[A]

You probably got a rule like that. You won't go to Oklahoma City.

[C]

I mean, no, I'll go anywhere. Yeah.

[B]

He will barely come to my house. It's under much objection and duress.

[C]

When I was sending. Yeah. When I was sending you the title and it was incident Rise. Yeah. And I immediately thought, oh, no. Because I just knew that Doug probably just killed you for living there. I immediately knew, like, I just felt like the abuse that you're taking. Taking to.

[B]

I think it's the best part of San Diego you can possibly live in.

[A]

May I see a question? Would you go to Tulsa or Oklahoma City? More like.

[C]

More likely Tulsa.

[A]

When cars sell with Native American license plates from Oklahoma, who titles those?

[C]

Oh, yeah. I don't know on that one.

[A]

You ever go to Joplin?

[C]

Yes, I go through Joplin quite a bit.

[A]

Would you rather go to Oklahoma City City or Kansas City?

[C]

Kansas City.

[A]

Really? Isn't it further?

[C]

They're same. They're the exact same distance.

[A]

But Oklahoma City has the basketball team.

[C]

Kansas City has the Royals and the Chiefs, and it's much more close. What if it's the Missouri side of the city? Well, they're all. It's all together. They're State Line Road, where neighbors across.

[A]

The street are in different states.

[B]

Kansas side of Kansas City and Missouri side of Kansas City are like Bloods and Crips.

[C]

Not particularly. Not that I know.

[B]

If you're on the border, you might get shot.

[C]

Not really, no.

[A]

That is not the situation.

[B]

I've been there once. I was in Leawood, which was, you know, it's like kind of a rough area.

[A]

Lee Hood, we call it.

[B]

Am I right? Yeah, Lee Hood. And I was just warned. Do not go near the border.

[A]

This is all we know about Kansas, dude. This is what we know about Kansas. We've been through Garden city. I've done i70 the whole way across. Give me a Kansas fact. That is interesting. We'll end the pot on it. Give us a Kansas fact.

[B]

That's a good ender.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

There's nothing that's not true.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Didn't Wichita.

[C]

So when. Okay, when the Arkansas river comes to Kansas. Yeah. Yeah, it is called the AR. Kansas River.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

And if you call it the Arkansas river in Kansas, you will be shanked.

[A]

Oh, shanked. Wow. Damn. Oh, there we go.

[B]

Rock Chalk Jayhawk.

[A]

Oh, nice.

[B]

That's what they say.

[A]

That is what they say.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was on the Missouri border.

[C]

I was a. I was an angry husk of wheat. That's my college.

[A]

Which is Wichita State.

[C]

Right, Wichita State.

[A]

And then there's also Kansas State, which has this sort of. Of hard to understand Wildcat logo. I've never really gotten.

[B]

I mean, like, half the schools in America have a Wildcat logo.

[A]

Including this one is weird, though. This one is weird. You agree it's weird.

[C]

It is. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

That's what we'll end on. The Wildcat logo is weird. Hoovy, thank you for joining us. It's been a pleasure. We get the 300 SL in the office. What an honor, honestly.

[C]

Thank you. I mean, about once a year is perfect.

[A]

That's not very polite.

[C]

Sorry.

[A]

Goodbye, everyone.

[B]

Bye.