Is the Car Market Cooling? Doug Wants to Buy Another Car?!

Summary

THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends

Episode: Is the Car Market Cooling? Doug Wants to Buy Another Car?!
Date: September 26, 2025
Host: Doug DeMuro
Guests: Kenan, Nick ("Crazy Nick")

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Overview

In this wide-ranging episode, Doug DeMuro and his friends delve into the recent twists in their ever-evolving car collections, poke fun at internet car culture, and break down the latest happenings in the automotive industry. Central topics include Doug's rumored "car purchase," his Porsche 993 Turbo dream, strange imports like the Fiat Multipla and Audi A2, Porsche’s decision to slow EV development, and a close look at the classic car market. The trio also field listener questions, share personal car mishaps, and debate which car personalities they’d replace themselves with on the pod.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Doug and the Audi A2 "Purchase" (01:09–05:45)

• The team jokes about Doug breaking his rule and "buying" a quirky Audi A2, which was actually acquired by Cars & Bids, not Doug personally.
  • Doug: “I didn’t pay for it. I’m not on the title. I don’t plan to drive it again. I’m not storing it at my home.” (01:30)
• Nick and Kenan tease Doug about clickbait YouTube titling:
  • Nick: “What’s the title of that YouTube video? 'I bought a car.' I’m going to be printing that thumbnail, framing it...” (01:53)
• Paperwork snafus are recounted, with everyone blaming each other.
• Doug admits he is seriously considering pursuing a Porsche 993 Turbo in Arena Red—but only if it literally falls into his lap.

2. The Pursuit of a Porsche 993 Turbo (03:03–05:53)

• Doug details his specific dream spec: Arena Red, stock US ride, mid-mileage, no mods.
  • Doug: “If a dealer out there is trying to unload an Arena 993 Turbo, ship it to us—I’ll pay for it. But it has to get here. I have to do nothing.” (04:32)
• Discussion about sky-high valuations ($200–$250k), rarity, and Doug’s self-awareness that he’s unlikely to actually chase one down.
  • Kenan: “I’ll bet if it came up, you still wouldn’t buy it. The market would value it too much.” (04:21)
  • Doug: “I am not willing to do the leg...I don’t want to do it. So I openly admit that.” (04:27)

3. Quirky Car Cornucopia: Fiat Multipla & Audi A2 (06:03–08:43)

• The office is filled with unusual imports (Fiat Multipla, A2).
• Doug explains why the Multipla is "exciting and weird," compared to the more conventional A2.
  • Doug: “A car that looks interesting, like the A2 and the A-class, isn’t enough...the Multipla is more than just looks interesting. It, like, is interesting and weird.” (07:15)
• The Multipla’s fishbowl driving dynamics, low visibility, and the anxiety of driving it unplated are discussed with much humor.
  • Nick: “Every time a cop goes behind you, you get this adrenaline rush...” (07:51)
  • Doug: “The problem with that car is...the windows are so big...if you start turning around looking, it’s clear that, like, you’re trying to hide something.” (08:13)

4. Automotive Industry News Roundup

Porsche’s EV Backtrack & Market Reaction (09:09–12:59)

• Porsche decides to slow its EV rollout, keep gasoline cars (911, Boxster, Cayman) into the 2030s.
  • Kenan: “Porsche’s stock fell on Monday by 7%. And also Volkswagen Group...also fell by 7%.” (09:34)
  • Doug (on the reasoning): “By retooling their strategy, it’s going to have an effect on earnings...they’re going to have to spend money they weren’t planning on spending.” (09:59)
• Discussion on ICE sports cars for enthusiasts and why Porsche’s pivot is a smart move.
  • Nick: “The last companies that should electrify are sports car makers.” (13:32)

Broader EV Market & Used Car Values (12:34–15:56)

• Talks about tax credits ending, EV adoption stalling, and the shift in consumer sentiment.
  • Doug: “The world seems to have shifted away a little bit from EVs in recent years. It’ll shift back one day.” (12:34)

Bentley & Rolls-Royce: Luxury EVs (17:56–20:17)

• Bentley’s new electric SUV is spotted in testing; Rolls-Royce Spectre selling better than expected.
  • Kenan: “EVs, particularly in the luxury space, make a ton of sense because they weigh a lot anyway...electric just gives that to you and it’s silent.” (18:17)
  • Doug: “I don’t think this is a terrible expensive car...people seem to be into them.” (19:25)

Aspark Owl: Supercar Vaporware (20:26–22:34)

• The team mocks the Aspark Owl electric supercar’s “reveal”:
  • Nick (sarcastically): “It’s got 1211 bajillion horsepower, 0 to 60 in negative 14 seconds.” (20:42)
  • Doug: “By God, I can’t wait to not see any of these. Just like I’ve not seen any of the coupes.” (21:06)

Nissan Sentra, McLaren Expansion, and Future Oddities (23:08–27:24)

• New Nissan Sentra press launch declined by Doug—“unless...it was happening at my neighbor’s house, I wouldn’t attend it.” (23:10)
• McLaren planning a model beyond supercars, possibly with input from Chinese EV maker Nio. The team speculates (shooting brake? SUV?).
  • Doug: “If McLaren did a manual shooting brake...I would still not be into it, but I would be kind of.” (24:58)

5. Listener Questions & Q&A Highlights (59:13–81:56)

What Car Screams ‘I Know Nothing About Cars’? (60:01–62:31)

• Kenan: “Usually if it’s new and flashy and someone says the model before the brand...you don’t know anything about it.”
• Doug: “Any brand new Maserati is a person who thinks they are a car enthusiast and, like, thinks other people will perceive them as such. But a real car enthusiast looks at them and is like, no.” (62:08)
• Also discussed: McLaren GT, Honda Prologue.

Holy Trinity of Car Podcasters/YouTubers (64:05–66:12)

• Kenan: “There’s a specific group of three...the Top Gear trio. Anytime three people are on camera...they are who they get compared to.” (64:24)
• Nick: “Rich Rebuilds...I think he’s the funniest. Or Alex from Legit Street Cars—he’s the most knowledgeable.” (65:51)

Cars They Grew Up Around (67:00–73:31)

• Nick humorously outs himself as having a very bougie, boat-filled childhood (“Do you count ice boats?”), while Doug and Kenan recount their upbringing among humble base trims and minivans.
  • Doug: “My entire life...our family car was a 1993 Isuzu Rodeo with a manual transmission, steel wheels, and that was our family car.” (69:58)
  • Kenan: “Ford Probe...Windstars...my dad had a Ford Taurus, then a Mercury Sable, and then Subarus.” (70:50)

Would You Daily Your Prized Possession? (74:42–76:48)

• Would you accept a pristine F40 for weekends if others daily-drove—and abused—your cherished car as a daily?
  • Kenan: “I think, but then I could really one up both of you and show up everywhere in an F40.” (75:59)
  • Doug: “People are going to lick the car. You get an F40 for five years.” (76:18)

Is the Market Cooling? (75:52–77:53)

• Doug debunks the myth that no-sales mean a cooling market: “No, the sale rate is the same...I don’t think the market is cooling.” (76:07)

Supercar Brands Going ‘Downmarket’ (77:54–80:48)

• Will Pagani, Koenigsegg, Bugatti follow Ferrari/Lambo to affordable models?
  • Doug: “I wouldn’t be entirely stunned if you saw a million dollar Koenigsegg...that was a lot more gettable for a lot of people.” (78:55)

6. Car Market Deep Dive & Collector Picks (47:21–59:13)

B5 Audi RS4 & Rising Imports (47:29–52:44)

• B5 RS4 Avants are now 25 years old—hitting US markets as legal imports. Much discussion about reliability, value, Cosworth-tuned engines.
  • Doug: “Truly one of the great driving experiences my entire life...I got in this car and it was like, it all came down.” (50:07)
• Values discussed; predictions that prices may cool as supply increases.

BMW’s Italian M3 (53:07–55:57)

• The BMW 320is (“Italian M3”) with the S14 M engine is now demanding serious money.
  • Kenan: “It’s more, if you know you know, among BMW set...if you show up in this, you’re legit.” (55:29)

Gen 3 Viper: Best Value Supercar? (56:00–59:10)

• Gen 3 Vipers highlighted as a performance bargain—$30–45k for V10 power and classic brute-force American style.
  • Nick: “I just look at the number and I look at the picture and I say bye.” (56:13)
  • Doug: “It is a lot of car for the money.” (57:37)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Doug: “If a dealer out there is trying to unload an Arena 993 Turbo, ship it to us—I’ll pay for it. But it has to get here and I have to do nothing.” (04:32)
• Kenan: “Porsche’s stock fell on Monday by 7%. Tough day to be Porsche.” (09:34)
• Nick: “Every time a cop goes behind you [in the Multipla], you get this adrenaline rush...” (07:51)
• Doug (about the Aspark Owl): “I can’t wait to not see any of these. Just like I’ve not seen any of the coupes.” (21:06)
• Kenan (on who screams novice enthusiast): “Usually if it’s new and flashy and someone says the model before the brand, you don’t know anything about it.” (60:25)
• Nick (on the Viper): “30s for a car that looks like that with a V10 with 500 horsepower—I really don’t need to say much else.” (56:13)
• Doug (on car upbringing): “My entire life...our family car was a 1993 Isuzu Rodeo...our car. That was it.” (69:58)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Audi A2 “purchase”/993 Turbo itch: 01:09–05:53
• Fiat Multipla & A2: weird car driving: 06:03–08:43
• Porsche doubles down on ICE: 09:09–12:59
• EV market trends & Porsche stock: 12:34–15:56
• Bentley/daimler luxury EVs: 17:56–20:17
• Aspark Owl roast: 20:26–22:34
• McLaren/Chinese EV rumor/Shooting brake wishes: 23:08–27:24
• Personal car horror stories (Bentley, Multipla, Range Rover): 33:32–41:49
• Classic market (RS4, Italian M3, E30): 47:21–55:57
• Gen 3 Viper values: 56:00–59:10
• Q&A (car knowledge, who replaces the trio, childhood cars): 59:13–73:31

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Tone & Atmosphere

• Conversational, bantering, and frequently tongue-in-cheek
• Doug is self-deprecating and candid about his “buying” habits and audience misconceptions
• The trio keeps industry talk approachable, mixing serious insights with irreverent humor and vivid personal stories

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In Summary

This episode exemplifies why fans love THIS CAR POD: geeky car talk without the ego, plenty of self-roasting, and honest, sometimes nostalgic insight into both obscure and headline-grabbing cars, from the practicality of imported “fishbowl” Fiats to the unattainability of rare Porsche turbos. The automotive market may not be cooling just yet, but Doug’s enthusiasm for hunting the “right” car certainly hasn’t, even if it takes a bit of creative storytelling (and some title shuffling) to get there!

Transcript

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[Kenan]

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[Kenan]

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[Doug]

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[Kenan]

You were made to scream from the front row.

[Doug]

We were made to quietly save you more Expedia made to travel savings vary and subject to availability. Flight inclusive packages are atoll protected. Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[Kenan]

I'm Kenan.

[Nick]

I'm Crazy Neck.

[Doug]

And today there's a lot to talk about. Let's start with the A2. We got an Audi A2 here and wow.

[Kenan]

Wow, it's.

[Doug]

What an experience.

[Kenan]

I. I am very happy the A2 is here. I've only moved it around the office. I haven't driven it, but it is, it's a nice little car.

[Doug]

Let me explain what happened a little bit. We posted this video and everyone in the comments is like, Doug broke his rule, bought a car. I want to be clear about something here. I didn't pay for it. I'm not storing it at my home. I don't really plan to drive it again. I'm not on the title Now, Nick.

[Nick]

On the other hand, Let me hold on though. What's the title of that YouTube video?

[Doug]

Well, we titled it that way.

[Nick]

It says I bought a car. I'm going to be printing that thumbnail, framing it and delivering it.

[Doug]

However, in the very first, first sentence of the video, I said that it is book cars and bids bought the car.

[Nick]

I just skipped to the end that the commenters do.

[Doug]

You know, I will say the biggest.

[Nick]

News story, Doug bought a car. Next story.

[Doug]

I will say two things. Number one, the lack of nuance is interesting.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And as you're a content creator and you realize that, you start to understand how some politicians can make their rises. Well, funny enough, really hits you like okay. You can really kind of trick people.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

The other thing is, obviously, I didn't buy this car, Disavow it. It's been sitting in the office for weeks. It doesn't have plates. Nick screwed all that up, by the way. What a surprise. But I am interested in a car.

[Nick]

You know, he just said all this stuff about nuance and then accused me messing up the paperwork and not himself. But we'll go there.

[Doug]

I'm not. I didn't do anything.

[Nick]

Somebody told the importer the wrong llc.

[Kenan]

Sure.

[Doug]

I did it all. I didn't do any. Okay.

[Nick]

Huh. Huh?

[Doug]

I was not part of it.

[Kenan]

No. But there is another car that you.

[Doug]

I am. I will say I did not buy this car legitimately. It's not mine. It's not here. I'm not driving it. However, it's here. It's not my house. However, I am considering a car.

[Kenan]

Yes. And fortuitously, an anonymous fan recently sent us a gift that arrived. It happens to be. It pertains to the car that he is thinking about.

[Doug]

Some random dude sent us this 993.

[Nick]

Turbo in the right color.

[Kenan]

The right color arena red. It looks very nice.

[Doug]

Just last week I was just. I like got. I spent like an hour deep diving on 993 turbos again. And I kind of am like, you know, I kind of want one.

[Nick]

You've been sitting on this a little.

[Doug]

I'm not like, I'm serious. Only in as much as if a nice arena listed, I would pursue it, but it's like a once a year occurrence.

[Nick]

Want me to hit up that guy in Jackson Hole again?

[Doug]

Oh, I forgot. Remember on Facebook, don't tell anybody about that. There is no 993turbo for sale in Jackson Hole.

[Nick]

Good luck. Even if you find the guy, he responds in broken English with like tweet length responses. So you got to buy it blind, basically.

[Doug]

I, I, So anyway, the A2 is cool and, and, and Nick's got his multiple, but I am legitimately considering actually myself.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Going back down the road. You got to find me an arena. It's it. I, I want a very specific car. That's why I have never pulled the trigger on it before. It's just like what I'm looking for is so hard to find.

[Kenan]

I'll bet if it came up, you still wouldn't buy it. The market would value it too much. It would. Someone would outbid. You'd be like, you know what?

[Doug]

I didn't buy it.

[Kenan]

Then you'd be glad.

[Doug]

I am not willing to do the leg.

[Kenan]

Well, that is part of buying a car. So that.

[Doug]

And I don't want to do it. So I openly admit that. And if a car fell in my lap, which by the way, happened like this week, this did actually literally fell into my lap. It just showed up at the office. If that happened to a really, like, if you're a dealer out there trying to unload an Arena993 Turbo, ship it to us, I'll pay for it. I'll buy the car. But it has to get here and I have to do nothing. And I don't want a euro and I don't want stupid mods. I want a stock US ride height. Arena 993 Turbo don't care about material color. Yeah.

[Kenan]

And then here's the kicker. So what are you going to shell out for this? What do you want to pay?

[Doug]

They're worth like 200 to 250. So you pay 250, I'll pay. I'm ready. Do it.

[Kenan]

You're not going to do this.

[Doug]

No, I'm not. Because they're not around. They don't exist.

[Kenan]

Well, and even so, this is another thing. You'll go down a rabbit hole. You'll be hyperbolic about a car, and then in two weeks you still have not bought and you'll be like, yeah, I'm over it.

[Doug]

Of course, in two weeks I'm not. This is finding a car like this, an Arena 993 Turbo US car. Mid miles, that's like usable. Not low miles, not a zillion, but like mid miles. There would be like a six mile.

[Kenan]

I know it's the hard thing to do.

[Doug]

I'm not doing it.

[Kenan]

And you know you're going to fall short and not do it.

[Doug]

That's fine with me.

[Nick]

Let me.

[Doug]

In this case, that's fine with me.

[Nick]

Let me summarize the story then.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Nick]

The news is Doug bought a car. Doug is a Porsche guy. Doug wants to buy another car. Now that he's broken the seal, Doug.

[Kenan]

Won'T buy a car.

[Nick]

Great news story. What about some in the automotive industry?

[Doug]

No, I want to talk really briefly. The other person who bought a car this week was the other car industry. We got a Fiat Multipla.

[Nick]

The Multipla also in the background of your shot.

[Doug]

It is interesting to me having the two cars around each other as they've been basically since they arrived. Little twins, but not identical. Nope, fraternal. The Multipla is a far more interesting car. One of the comments we've Been getting is. Doug, I thought you learned your lesson from the A class. I did, which is why I didn't buy it. Like, I knew day one, I have no interest in this car. Do not want to drive it. Do not want to have it around. The multipla, though, is still a boring car to drive, but just exciting enough that it's, like, not boring.

[Nick]

The windows going so low and so high, you feel like you're driving a fishbowl in a way that's disorienting. And like, really, the A2 is comfortable. And, like, yeah. If you can't see the exterior, you kind of think, oh, I'm just in like, an old A3 or A4. Like the red LEDs. All of that looks just Audi. There's nothing in the multipla that you don't catch your eye and think, what on earth am I? Like, I am driving a literal fishbowl down the freeway and people are looking at me like I'm driving a literal fishbowl down the freeway.

[Doug]

And the climate vents that look like.

[Nick]

A robot in the middle. And then there's nothing in front of you. I mean, just so much weird.

[Kenan]

Well, the whole thing.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

It's amazing. Platypus. And I think the lesson here is, if you're going to do this, a car that looks interesting, like the A2 and the A class, isn't enough. And I knew that with the A class, which is why I didn't want to go down this road. But a car that the multipla is more than just looks interesting. It, like, is interesting and weird. I am curious how long this lasts.

[Nick]

Yeah, I agree. The novelty will eventually wear off.

[Doug]

And then when it does wear off, you're driving 100 horsepower diesel car.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

You can't really get parts for it.

[Nick]

Agreed. Although it makes a good commuter. Like, it sips diesel in it. It fits all of your stuff. Like, I think I'll have a use for it as a just normal. Go to the grocery store.

[Doug]

Be nice to get a title on it. Nick and I. Nick's been driving around no plates.

[Nick]

Well, I think that's actually what also adds to the driving experience. Like, every time a cop goes behind you, you get this adrenaline rush and.

[Doug]

You'Re like, yeah, every does happen more than once, Nick. Yesterday, Nick drove me home from the office, and we get on the freeway and emerges right in front of a California highway patrol. And they're the only ones who care about plates. Like the local cops. Yeah, but, but, but the California Patrol. And the problem with that car is. You can't do one of those, like, things. Like you see on Instagram, the guys are like, looking at the cop because the windows are so big that if you start turning around looking, it's clear that, like, you're trying to hide something.

[Nick]

After I dropped you off, I got tailed. Durango Canine unit, Camp Pendleton, Marine police or something like that. Like, I was like, oh my God, they're gonna eat me if they, like, catch me. Like, this is. I gotta get home.

[Doug]

The dogs, the other. Oh, a platypus.

[Nick]

It does look like a giant squeaky toy.

[Doug]

Okay, we'll talk more about the A2 and the multiplA in the car segment. But that is news. That is legitimate automotive.

[Nick]

The news. Doug is back on cars.

[Doug]

A couple weeks now. Cars and bids has created real automotive news. The green Cayenne manual sale. And now the A2 and the multiple. We are market makers.

[Kenan]

Sure.

[Doug]

All right, move on to what's actually happening. Rubicon 4xe, the renegade gladiator is what it's called. Thank you.

[Nick]

Ruby Star Red.

[Doug]

Yeah, they announced they were going to do a 4XE version that is canceled. Flip to the next slide.

[Nick]

Did they never do a 4 by E. Like, they canceled it.

[Doug]

We're going to do it. And didn't the Nissan Ariya? And I went to the press launch for the Nissan Ariya and I remember how excited Nissan was to debut this car three years ago. Canceled and move on to the next slide. Porsche has officially announced something that we were certain was coming.

[Kenan]

Yes, they have said that they're going, they're slowing their roll with EVs and that into the2030s you will be able to buy gasoline powered cars. Now, the market was not happy about that. So their stock fell on Monday by 7%. And also Volkswagen Group, which backed Porsche's decision to do this and said, we will financially, you know, support Porsche through this, also fell by 7%. So tough day to be. Tough day to be.

[Doug]

Well, I, I have a suspicion the stock fell because by retooling their strategy, it's going to have an effect on earnings because they're going to have to spend money they weren't planning on spending into like redeveloping.

[Kenan]

Yes, they did announce they reduced their projected profit margin from 7 to 2%, which is quite a while.

[Doug]

Yes. However, this is the proverbial drawing the line on the thing to extend the life of the 9 11. Just like, just like. What's his name? Schultz shoots whatever. Peter Schutz. What was his name?

[Kenan]

Peter Schutz, I think was right.

[Doug]

This is that the Boxster and specifically the Boxster and Cayman have been, it is being said by Porsche now, the Boxer and Cayman will offer a gasoline powered version, although they are implying that the base models will still be electric. And you have, it'll be the top versions which are gas powered. Which by the way, that's actually a.

[Kenan]

Pretty good idea actually. Yeah, that sounds very appealing.

[Doug]

Make people pay more for gas powered that we want to anyway.

[Nick]

Yeah. Like a manual.

[Doug]

Like a manual. So now this gives us a second opportunity for them to do a manual Spyder RS. Maybe I don't want a 993 Turbo after all.

[Kenan]

And just like that. No, don't, don't hurt it though. That's a nice model. No, don't, don't hurt it.

[Doug]

Let's take it out.

[Nick]

Can we? Yeah. So take it out of the box and play with it, Nick.

[Kenan]

No, do you have to leave it in the box?

[Doug]

Anyway, the point is, the point is big, obviously, big decision. Big, big news for Porsche. But we have been kind of expecting it. I'll never forget a year ago when I dropped off Microgt for service and they for the recall and they said macans are not sell. They're not even sold. When they come in it was like, ding, ding, ding. The alarm bells are going.

[Nick]

I've seen so few of them on the road and we are in peak EV country right here in SoCal.

[Doug]

Yeah, peak like wealthy EV country. Like this is it.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

If you're not selling them here and they're okay. I see a few of them.

[Nick]

I see a few, but not, not that many. Like I certainly see more model Y's and all of that from people that could afford the Macan and it's like, ah, I'm good.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

But again it ties in. It is interesting because last week I talked about how that Porsche felt that they were making the right decision with evs. And then on Friday to have them go through all this and then it's like again, yes, maybe the right move is for the base model and if. I'm sure the cars will be good because they will come eventually.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

But it is interesting.

[Doug]

I'm going to make a prediction right here on the pod gas cars will be available into the2030s and beyond.

[Kenan]

And beyond. I do agree with that personally.

[Doug]

For enthusiasts it's 25. Like it'll be 26 in 90 days. Like it'll be beyond 2030. They will be mid, late 2030s into the 2000 and 40s will still be driving gas Porsches.

[Nick]

Tax credits ended this month or is ending this month. So like. And that's going to continue for at least the rest of this administration. So there's not really like you can't price it competitively without those. So yeah, I.

[Doug]

There will be a follow up to Trump who probably will moderate some of this behavior, whether it's a Republican or a Democrat. But the world seems to have shifted away a little bit from EVs in recent years. It'll shift back one day. It'll almost have to.

[Kenan]

I think it's inevitable.

[Doug]

But yeah, I think in the end the EV world will win this fight. But it may not be tomorrow like we thought it would be. It may be like the day after tomorrow or next week proverbially.

[Kenan]

And I think that again, if the mass number of cars on the roads are EVs and the infrastructure and clean energy then rises to meet the demand of electricity, I think that that for normal cars is viable and you can have your fun. Interesting. Sports cars with a gasoline engine that are used so infrequently like the impact on the environment is pretty negligible. I think that can exist realistically because that's what Porsche customers want and that's what the customers of most sports cars wants. And that's exemplified in the values of cars on the secondary market. They've continued to rise for these cars from the golden era. 05 whatever.

[Nick]

You hit the nail on the head that the last companies that should electrify are sports car makers.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Nick]

We want the experience of it. Do that with your minivans, your SUVs, your commuter cars like the Cayman should really be the last car to go EV of the entire lineup from my perspective.

[Doug]

Well, if you have an electric car. Yeah. You don't commute, your wife doesn't commute. You drop your kids off at daycare near your house. Why don't you have an exotic.

[Nick]

I have thought about a leaf for like 6 grand or 500e.

[Doug]

I'm talking about the new one. It's over there.

[Nick]

No, I don't buy new cars. I don't think. I've never in my life bought a new car. I don't think I would start buying a new car.

[Doug]

Didn't you buy that Ford Focus new.

[Nick]

My wife bought that.

[Doug]

It's a technicality. And what we're hearing today is Nick buys new car.

[Nick]

I'm not on the title.

[Doug]

I'm not on the title.

[Nick]

Exactly.

[Kenan]

You two just weaseling around. I got.

[Nick]

We regret buying that now.

[Doug]

Well, yeah. You're on your third trans, right?

[Nick]

Yeah. So you know I'm, I'm not. I, I think evs have a purpose and as like I recommend them much.

[Doug]

Like you do Ev other not a new Nissan Leaf realistically, but like a $16,000 something or other.

[Nick]

I, I work from home. What do I need gas efficiency for? My arnouch gets 8 miles per gallon. My mercy gets about 8. Like I don in a car that has like a dozen miles per gallon. Fair the multiple actually probably does 4050.

[Doug]

Interesting. That's fair. The multiply. Yeah. That's your gas efficient car. This is teamed up I guess we already covered the next story which is that Porsche's shares have all fallen on everything. Porsche's going down the tubes. For God's sake, buy the old ones.

[Kenan]

I'll say it does seem like they are going well. Speaking of the 993, it feels like they're going through a tough time right now, which is wild because they make some of the most desirable sports cars around.

[Doug]

Everybody wants a Porsche tough time in this sense that the stock price is going through a tough time. But I think it's important to separate the speculative purchasing of the stock from the brand itself, which continues to increase in sales and to offer desirable cars and to have a very strong brand name, one of the strongest in the whole world. Porsche's fine. The stock price might be taking a hit because we're going to see some restriction in their profits and such with this new strategy. Porsche's fine. It's all good. There might not be some bonuses paid at the level that we thought they would be to executives over the next couple of years. They're going to be fine.

[Nick]

Says the big time Porsche guy.

[Doug]

That does scare me about getting a993 Turbo. It's just such a good.

[Nick]

You would become peak Porsche guy.

[Kenan]

Mercedes and Porsche.

[Nick]

I'd have to get you houndstooth sneakers and like the.

[Kenan]

Oh, we can finally get him a watch.

[Doug]

Yeah, it would be the. I guess I had a, I'd had a 996 Turbo for, for like four months 13 years ago. And then I had the Courage GT. Those are the only Porsches I ever had. Now I've had like 11 Mercedes including two right now.

[Kenan]

You are, you are actually a Mercedes Benz.

[Doug]

Don't tell people that. They don't know that.

[Kenan]

I mean all I hear is how great the E450 all terrain is.

[Doug]

You know the E450 all terrain.

[Nick]

The guy that's trying to buy my mercy Said, oh, I just picked up a 992 Turbo. And I go, oh, my wife has a Porsche. They're great commuters. And he was like, oh, sick bird. Like, I'm just talking smack on him because he thought a Porsche was cool. And I'm like, nope, not impressed.

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[Doug]

All right, move on to the next.

[Kenan]

Oh yes, Bentley. So a couple weeks ago I talked about how Bentley was going to be coming out with. They announced they're going to be coming out with an electric suv. Well, here it is finally testing on the road. So we're getting closer again. I think that EVs, particularly in the luxury space, make a ton of sense because they weigh a lot anyway, the motor really is not a part of the experience. Although we love the W12. Really. What we love is the whoosh of performance. And electric just gives that to you and it's silent.

[Doug]

This is going to be full electric.

[Kenan]

Full electric. That was my understanding.

[Doug]

So yawn city.

[Kenan]

Yeah, we'll.

[Nick]

I'm shocked at how many.

[Doug]

Look at Turbo Bentleys.

[Nick]

I don't like my Turbo Bentley anymore. That's another story. I'm shocked at how many specters I see again. I know I'm in a bubble and blah, blah, blah, but like plated non dealer specters are around and like people seem to be into them.

[Doug]

Agreed.

[Nick]

So I don't think that this is a terrible expensive car. Yes.

[Kenan]

But again, I'm just a little concerned about the EV adoption. Still is not great. Like yes, it probably will look, I would imagine not that different than the Bentayga. Unless they're going to call us a different model and style it differently. And so it feels like the electrified G wagon looks identical to the G Wagon.

[Doug]

It's going to sell the same and.

[Kenan]

They poorly don't sell them at all. So is this going to be the same thing with. But in this particular case, again, I think for luxury cars, EV makes a.

[Nick]

Lot of sense and foreign market, do.

[Kenan]

Those people care about, you know, having.

[Doug]

Part of the allure of some of these cars has been the powertrains. And anybody can now get a Tesla that's incredibly fast and that sort of has a luxury image to it. Even though they sell as many as Honda Accords. Doesn't make any sense.

[Kenan]

Yeah, but let's be real. You ask most Bentayga owners what engine they have under their hood, they have no idea.

[Doug]

I guess owners also have Teslas.

[Kenan]

That's probably true. Well yeah. And then this would be like no big deal to them. I think it matters less with the luxury segment than it does with the G Wagon, which admittedly is luxury cycles.

[Doug]

I'm curious to see what'll happen. I'm not entirely sure I agree. There was a plug in hybrid, Flying Spur didn't do well. What other EV luxuries have there been?

[Kenan]

Spectre is like well, but the Spectre has been selling quite a while.

[Doug]

It seems to be selling okay considering that it is a two door coupe in a world that it does not want a two door coupe and it costs like $450,000.

[Nick]

Right.

[Kenan]

And like you said, the younger audience, like we talked about several podcasts ago, the younger people are buying them and that's become a great contingent of Rolls Royce owners. So yeah, yeah, I don' curious to see how it ends up, but I.

[Doug]

Just want a turbo Bentley, man.

[Nick]

I got one coming up.

[Doug]

No reserve, big engine, turbo wouldn't touch that car.

[Nick]

Six and three quarter liter, two valve. All yours, bud.

[Doug]

You're gonna get so little money for that car after all the stuff you said about it. Now speaking of electric cars, we got our next news story which is the big one, the big boy, the Aspark Owl. They've revealed a roadster which is amazing cuz they haven't yet revealed a coupe.

[Nick]

It's got 1211 bajillion horsepower, 0 to 60 in negative 14 seconds.

[Kenan]

But it could spot a mouse in a field three miles away.

[Nick]

Yep, yep, yep. It can do anything you want it, folks.

[Doug]

The Ash Park Owl has, has perennially been a source of controversy on this podcast. The butt of many jokes because it's ridiculously named and it doesn't exist.

[Nick]

It's mostly the name, though.

[Doug]

It's mostly the name. And now it's here as a roadster. And by God, I can't wait to not see any of these. Just like I've not seen any of the coupes.

[Kenan]

That's right. We went to car week, didn't see it. There was one last year, but it didn't move under its own power and we never saw it. And I suspect next year that'll happen again.

[Nick]

I do. Like 24 hours before this debut, they tease. Something new is coming. Then what they revealed is the same exact car, just with 5% less.

[Kenan]

Do you think it is actually the same car and they just cut the roof off of it and painted it a different color like that?

[Doug]

Like what Lamborghini used to do back in the day with Bob Wallace. Like they would just drive the car between auto shows and paint it like in the parking lot. That's a different car.

[Kenan]

That's right. I think that might be exactly what they've done here.

[Doug]

Well, I for one am pumped about it. And you can see that the people around the car are also excited. For instance, this whole contingent of 20 of them are not currently looking at the car, but I'm sure at one point they will.

[Nick]

Don't you think from this particular angle, it does look a little owl, like. Like, do you see it? I see it.

[Doug]

It does look bird of prey. I never liked how it looked. I never liked anything about it. I guess it looks a little owl. You got a little A on the ASPARK logo there. What a. What a. What a beauty. What a dang beauty.

[Nick]

Yeah, well, this is gonna be.

[Kenan]

You think this is gonna be like the vector of our generation.

[Doug]

If it ever be desirable because it's pure electric.

[Nick]

I think a lot of people are gonna cancel their Tesla Roadster reservations and put down an allocation here.

[Doug]

You know what this car costs?

[Nick]

Tbd.

[Doug]

Tbd, Yeah. I don't think they've ever said.

[Kenan]

Okay, they haven't said because they don't.

[Nick]

Know because they got to build one first and how much it costs.

[Doug]

They got to figure out what the development costs all were and all that. But they're still developing.

[Kenan]

They're just trying to scam investors. That's what they're trying.

[Doug]

Oh, they're not scammers over at Aspark. They're gonna make a car. They're gonna make a car. God, look at this image that the Multipla and the Aspark owl.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Right in the same frame. There's. Here is a beautiful car. Look at this.

[Kenan]

Boy, that is a tough. The 993 Turbo looks good, but.

[Doug]

All right, give us our next news story. Ah, yes, the Nissan Sentra. Okay, next news story.

[Kenan]

Yep. Do they put the front through a shredder? No, it looks very.

[Doug]

There is a new Nissan Sentra. I got invited to the press launch for this and I said no, because it's a Nissan Sentra and unless the press launch was happening at my across the street neighbor's house, I wouldn't attend it. However, people did attend it and apparently it's okay. It's an okay car.

[Kenan]

I mean, yeah, it would be.

[Doug]

The problem with the Nissans, when they announced new Nissan sedans, they always have a beautiful picture where it looks like a luxury car like this.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

But then you see it on the road and it's got 13 inch hubcaps, one of which is already missing OE.

[Nick]

Yep.

[Doug]

And you know, the LEDs have been replaced by like a row of bad halogens and this whole front bumper is gray plastic. Right.

[Kenan]

And it's being driven like it's a Formula one car.

[Doug]

Within a year, it's like that. The new Sentras are already, already falling into those hands. Well, yeah, they. So anyway, I've got high hopes, but they'll be dashed quickly.

[Kenan]

High hopes, but low expectations.

[Nick]

It's exciting times for the procurement department of Hertz and Enterprise. Yeah, no, true.

[Doug]

This is going to be the car you rent.

[Kenan]

Well, that's thrilling. Next news story. Ah, yes, McLaren. So McLaren has announced recently that they're going to expand their lineup beyond hypercars and supercars. We've seen Ferrari do this, of course, with the Purosangue, but they've said specifically they haven't gone as far as enough to say they're going to make an suv, but they're going to make another car that carries more than two passengers. Now, of course, McLaren famously has built cars that carry three passengers that could.

[Nick]

Be intentionally tripping us up.

[Doug]

Right.

[Kenan]

They could be potentially tripping us in.

[Doug]

The speedtail, but there's a lot of possibilities. Could be an F1 type with three seats. Although regulatory, very difficult, I would imagine.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Could be an suv, which makes sense. Could be just a four seater shooting brake. Like an Evora type car. Yeah.

[Nick]

Could be.

[Doug]

Shooting brake would be cool. Dude. If McLaren did a manual shooting brake.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah.

[Doug]

I would still not be into it, but I would be kind of.

[Nick]

I'd be annoyed.

[Doug]

Yeah. But you know, they'd find a way to.

[Kenan]

They're going to.

[Nick]

They've done every variation of the 720s possible other than shooting brake. Here we go.

[Doug]

They're still doing variations of the 720s.

[Kenan]

I would argue that the speed tail is kind of a. Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.

[Nick]

The entire company is a variation of the 720.

[Doug]

It really is long, the 720s. All the variations. 720s, 7 twenties Spider, 750s, 700 spiders, 765 lt. Plus the spiders of that speed Sail, Sabre, Senna.

[Kenan]

We're missing some, I'm sure at the.

[Nick]

Bottom of the 5, 7, 600 LT.

[Doug]

ELVA and windshield Alpha.

[Kenan]

Right. Non. And with windshield. So I don't know. But what was more interesting to me about this was they underscored that they're going to lean heavily on the relationship with the Chinese automaker Nio or Nio. And I think that's kind of an interesting partnership. I don't know exactly what they're going to do or if this is going to be more EV focused, which would be. Seems like the wrong decision based on what we've talked about so far. So I don't know. We're.

[Doug]

We'll see.

[Kenan]

But they've announced that something is coming.

[Nick]

I would. I would do a curveball here and buy the Enos Grenadier and make it a McLaren. Make it. Have it be like the Rambo Lambo to McLaren.

[Doug]

I've always felt that. That a missed opportunity for all these. These sports car brands is making an LMO2. Stavi.

[Nick]

It's got to be a brutish one. We don't want like an edge. Totally brutish.

[Doug]

My view is like, if you're making the fastest road car, like, then make the coolest off roader. Like. Like, who did that? Ariel. Remember Ariel had the Atom and then they had the Nomad. Yeah, of course.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

That's what you. To me, like, that's why the LMO2 was so cool. Like, they already won the. The road car world. Now let's conquer the desert racer world. Yeah, Ariel. Nomad. So cool. And. But instead Lamborghini makes the Urus, which is just like a road. It's not the same. Urus has been great and it's a great car and it sells well, but it's not the same.

[Nick]

The G squared. I mean, like they just. There's so many cool ways to do.

[Doug]

This and ineos Grenadier style McLaren I think would be super cool and it.

[Nick]

Meets their audience demographic really well. Like newer money. Like they won't.

[Doug]

It would just fender flares in a boxy design. But they're not willing to like actually.

[Nick]

Have an old Defender and they'll have low expectations for reliability which will look perfect. Yeah, it's got a BMW power plant just like the.

[Doug]

Probably want to replace the power make it a little faster and probably a little bigger.

[Kenan]

Like make it both got that Nissan V8.

[Doug]

They've been 250 cars.

[Nick]

I'm pretty sure Ineos would be willing to accommodate those requests.

[Doug]

That's true. The French if they're not striking.

[Kenan]

But nonetheless we wait with bated breath to stand bated breath.

[Doug]

I'm excited to see yet another variation of the 720s, this time with four seats. It's now time to move on to the talk cars segment and we have to talk about cars and particularly our own car Xperi. My one was that the Countach is now in for service.

[Kenan]

Yep, dropped it off today.

[Doug]

Me and Kenan dropped it off today and it needs an oil change and it was leaking from the front which we think was brake fluid but it's not leaking anymore. So I don't know.

[Kenan]

And I could not find any. Any sign from any line or the caliper or anything that it was leaking. So.

[Doug]

So maybe it's fine. But the Countach is. I've driven that car 2600 miles since I bought it almost exactly two years ago.

[Kenan]

I gotta give it to you, that is pretty impressive.

[Doug]

Not a lot of people have driven a. You know, 2,600 miles in two years isn't that much. But like when I have six cars and I don't live here for some of the year and it's a Countach, I try to drive it as much as I can.

[Kenan]

I think there are owners who've never driven it that far the entire time they've had the car. Absolutely.

[Doug]

And brag about it it. This one's only got 4,000 kilometers on it.

[Kenan]

Meanwhile you and Harry Metcalf the only two people driving it. Cuz Matt Faris is in a million pieces somewhere.

[Doug]

There's probably other people, but they're not many.

[Kenan]

Not many. Not many. Congratulations.

[Doug]

We'll see what the service h it says though. I'm a little anxious because I took it and the trunk latch had broken and then it just needed an annual and. But you know, you you find stuff.

[Kenan]

You find stuff because it's an old car. But I, I have to be honest with you because I've spent a lot of time with your Countach, you know, running it through its warm up cycle while you're away and things like that car always starts, always runs perfectly, doesn't really leak anything. It is for as old as it is. It is beautifully serviced and honestly, I would trust that car to drive it a lot of places. And I've driven some exotic cars recently. That's not.

[Nick]

I agree.

[Doug]

I would drive it to Santa Barbara. I'd probably even drive it to Pebble. It would be annoying.

[Kenan]

It would be annoying. Loud hots.

[Doug]

My Bluetooth tape player would run out of batteries and then I'd be like what did you do?

[Kenan]

You got to do it. All old car enthusiasts seem to be doing that. Just put AirPods in and just go. You can turn, you know, adjust the volume stuff. Have you ever googled yourself and been surprised by what comes up? It's kind of scary how much personal information is just sitting out there. Your address, phone number, even family details, all collected by data brokers and sold online. That's why I use DeleteMe. DeleteMe is a subscription service that removes your personal information from hundreds of data broker sites. You don't have to track all this stuff down yourself. You simply tell Deleteme what you want gone and their experts handle the rest. They'll even keep monitoring over time and send you personalized reports so that you know exactly what was found and removed. It's been a huge relief knowing that Delete Me is working in the background to clean up my data and I can't recommend it enough. Now take control of your data and keep your private life private by signing up for Delete Me now at a special discount for our listeners today. Get 20% off your delete me plan when you go to JoinDeleteMe.com Demuro using the promo code Demuro at checkout. That's JoinDeleteMe.com Demuro D E M U R O Code Demuro I like solving problems. Whether it's fixing the countach with Doug over a couple of cold ones or solving the latest squeak in the E39. Nothing is more satisfying than fixing something. That's why I've been using Claude for a recent complex project that Filippo had me work on. I needed to connect insights across a ton of sources. Normally that would take hours, but Claude found connections over 50 plus sources that I wouldn't have spotted myself in a matter of Minutes. It didn't just give me answers. It also helped me think through the problem that Filippo had me work on. Claude is the AI for minds that don't stop at good enough. It's the collaborator that actually understands your entire workflow and things with you, not for you. Whether you're debugging code at midnight or strategizing your next business move, Claude extends your thinking to tackle the problems that matter. Filippo has also used Claude's artifacts to quickly build an ROI calculator for some of our corporate business meetings here at Cars and Bids. Something interactive that he could share the same day without writing a single line of code. If you want an AI partner that helps you go deeper and actually extends your thinking, you need to check this out. Ready to tackle bigger problems. Sign up for Claude today and get 50% off Claude Pro when you use our link. Claude AI cars. That's Claude AI cards. Go there right now for 50% off. Your first three months of Claude Pro. That's Claude AI slash cars.

[Doug]

Nick has more talk car stuff though. Oh, let's talk more. Let's start with the Multipla. So you took the multipla to big SoCal euro. Is that true?

[Nick]

Yes. Yeah. Same cars and coffee. But big SoCal Euro, they like shut down multiple street blocks. Like there's. It's a couple thousand cars there. People loved it. It gets the reaction. It reminds me of my old Seline XB8, where the reactions are consistent. Look, either what on earth is that thing? Or they give you a very specific memory of when it was like a nostalgic moment of their youth. Like, oh, I studied abroad in Italy, I lived in Europe, my family, I rented one when I was there.

[Doug]

That's funny.

[Nick]

Like, so it brings out the best stories and like the excitement for you is like so pure and sincere, rather than like, hey, cool Lambo, bro.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Or what have you. So, like, that part was really cool. One guy was like, I want to marry you. Like, people were a little over the top with it.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Nick]

But like, it was cool.

[Doug]

I'm surprised there are people who don't know what it is at that kind of event. I mean, it's a car that's legend.

[Nick]

I think most people, it's a VW Audi thing. So I think the A2 actually would have done better.

[Doug]

Big so called Euro, despite its name, is not for Euro. It's like a Volkswagen Audi scene thing. I didn't consider bringing the A2 until this moment. Mostly because it's not mine and it's not at My house.

[Kenan]

Nick hasn't finished his paperwork yet.

[Nick]

It's not yours. It's at your office. And right behind you, there's a BMW 700 here.

[Doug]

There's a Viper here. You think that Eurovan is mine? Should have brought that to big SoCal Europe.

[Kenan]

Oh, yeah, probably would have.

[Doug]

That'd be too. Would have killed.

[Nick]

But yeah, it did great. Like, people loved it. I brought the. The Murcielago as well. And then afterwards we did a big photo shoot with the two cars together for the ultimate Italian two car combo. So really fun day in terms of just like doing weird, quirky car stuff and like getting a million looks between the two cars.

[Doug]

So what are your thoughts on the multipla? You've had the multipla now for what, a month?

[Nick]

Yep.

[Doug]

Few weeks. What do you think?

[Nick]

I mean, I. I'm excited for when it's plated. That will help a lot. It leaks two different places. I broke the door trying to do a whistle and diesel impression, which I didn't realize. And I was like kind of miffed at the dealer for not disclosing it. And then Sam was like, watch your video again. You were opening the door and shutting it over and over again. So it worked when you got it and you clearly broke it yourself into jack. So. Yeah, but I think it's really cool. Like I'm super into it. It's fun and it's like a good palette cleanser. After the Arnage, which has just destroyed me, it's at the mechanic again.

[Doug]

No way. You're kidding.

[Nick]

I just spent $3,000, Nick.

[Doug]

Oh, because. Because now you're trying to get.

[Nick]

Now I'm trying to get. I have an ABS light, a brake light, a circle with an exclamation point in it, which is just like a general warning that doesn't tell you what it belongs to. An airbag light and a check engine light. So I've got five warning lights on right now. I can't sell it like that.

[Doug]

Can I ask you a question, Nick? I would sell it like that. I would drop it on the site and disclose this car is best suited for a demolition derby. And it.

[Kenan]

We could put project in the title.

[Nick]

For you if you want. Well, my plan was to sell it on the site. No reserve. I am just full disclosure hitting people up on Facebook marketplace for trades. Like if I could find someone willing to trade a salvage title, Viper or similar. Like I'm down or a home dishwasher.

[Doug]

Yeah, good.

[Kenan]

A good frustrate appliance.

[Nick]

Well, my dad has a 67 Mustang and he's always wanted a Bentley. And like, I. I think maybe he might be down to bargain.

[Doug]

Nick, do this to your. I don't want to always be saying I told you so like I do to Sam and others.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

But when you bought this car, we stood right there.

[Nick]

Yeah. The Bentley lived up to every warning and expectation I had or should have had about owning a. I was like.

[Doug]

Really, really anti this car, especially the way you bought it, which as I.

[Nick]

Recall was like the worst of the worst.

[Doug]

Very sketchily from a sket dude. Don't bring a trailer and then it shows up and it's even sketchier than it had been disclosed to the point where they refunded your buyer's fee. You were stuck with a.

[Nick]

That one also had a door that didn't open.

[Doug]

Do you think, as I had suggested at the time, that if you had maybe spent a little more to buy a nicer car, your experience maybe would have been a little different in this vein, rather than a 6 a heavily used multi owner.

[Nick]

You know, I hate to give you a win. I think generally you are correct. However, I'm not sure there's actually that many nice ones. I think all of them have fallen into some level.

[Doug]

But if you look at the ones for sale, newer ones with lower miles that have been well kept.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Wouldn't have been that much more experience. They wouldn't have been that much more.

[Nick]

I paid 19 for the car and I'm in it 15 in maintenance in one year.

[Doug]

So you're in the car for three.

[Nick]

For 35. 35.

[Doug]

You probably could have. For 30.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

For 30 or even 40. And then you will end up getting more when you sell it. Because this car, you're not going to be able. You're going to lose real money in. If you had bought for 40 and sold for 35, you lose five. This car, you're going to lose 15.

[Nick]

20. I've had a good experience and up until the latest round of repairs, I would have disagreed and said I've enjoyed it. But this last one's really just like a gut punch where I'm like, I'm done. I went out of this.

[Kenan]

The gut punch that we all saw coming.

[Nick]

Yeah. Yep.

[Kenan]

But there's usually a gut punch at.

[Doug]

The end of his ownership. The Maserati, remember very end, the alternator died and it was like 1,500 bucks when he was like about to get.

[Nick]

Out of it and I, I was like, almost died in the process.

[Kenan]

Cars, you're ready to get rid of do have a tendency to do that. Yeah, it always happens.

[Nick]

Your oil spill on the 355 as you were moving oil spill was four drops.

[Kenan]

But yes, it was. It was something I did.

[Nick]

Exxon Valdez 355s, right?

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Nick]

This is.

[Doug]

See, this is. This is. He does it to you too. He says, I only ate two. He says you had an oil spill. None of that. True. If the right arena 993 Twin Turbo showed up. Okay, that's the. Your multiplus situation, your broken Bentley situation. Can you tell us what happened with the Range Rover, please?

[Nick]

Oh my God. We'll make. We'll make this one really short. I miss the Borrego P38. My wife Mrs. It. My kids miss it.

[Doug]

What do you miss about it? It also was broken all the time. It was total crap.

[Nick]

It was broken all the time.

[Doug]

Do you remember when you had to.

[Nick]

Jump me in the middle of an intersection towards the end of my own.

[Doug]

Shop in Sports arena? And the dude had it for a month and when you picked it up, the battery was dead and it wouldn't start.

[Nick]

It was. It was four months. And yes, like, he's like, it's all ready and it wouldn't start. It wouldn't crank, it wouldn't open. It had warning lights. It was leaking. It's like, did you do anything? But I, I.

[Doug]

All that being said, go to the one we just sold where Nick was the under bidder on it. Right.

[Nick]

You know, some people like have like, like I'm trying to think of how I can phrase this that won't get cut. Some people are attracted to life partners that put them in unfortunate circumstances and have bad taste in the other gender or the same gender. I am that way with cars. I have like Stockholm syndrome where the. The abuse is part of the appeal.

[Doug]

So this was a no reserve car.

[Nick]

It was a no reserve car. And I knew through the P38 community enough people to vouch that this was actually a really nice one and it was cheap. And I had a conference call starting at like the top of the hour. And this was ending at like 9:57. And so I just threw a bit in at 10:10. And then that was the longest minute of my life watching that timer reset. The guy beat me by one single bed.

[Doug]

You almost ended up with another yellow rage. If you had done that, we all would have disowned you. After the Bentley experience, I would already having one of these. Nick. Nick.

[Kenan]

It's a disease in the.

[Doug]

When you sell these cars, you're selling them because you're done with them.

[Nick]

He wasn't with us, though.

[Kenan]

He sold it because we. The content. Content arc had reached its conclusion. But I think that he wanted to go further with it, and he probably would still have it.

[Doug]

But he's over lowballing people on Facebook Marketplace. On stanley, including for P38s.

[Nick]

There was a rifle, but you're doing.

[Doug]

It on XP8s again. He was done with that one. We didn't even do content with that. He sold it willingly, and now he's trying to get another one.

[Kenan]

You know why I can relate to this? Because, you know, been having a tough time recently, and all you kind of want is that sensation of home. You go back to what you know. And for him, it's those cars. He's been going back to those.

[Nick]

Actually, I might be buying an ML55 today as well, which is home, because that was. I took one to prom. An ML320.

[Kenan]

Did you really?

[Nick]

Was my dad's car at the time. Oh, yeah. 98, first model year.

[Doug]

What is wrong with you?

[Nick]

Well, Ed got one at auction today, and he's willing to sell it to me very cheap.

[Doug]

Nick, Nick, stop this. Get rid of the Bentley first. You know what's funny, though? You know what car he never talks about wanting back? That Quattroporte.

[Kenan]

That Quattroporte. Yeah.

[Nick]

Rest in peace.

[Doug]

That happened. That.

[Nick]

That one. When it's full arc. I'm good.

[Doug]

And I bet we'll feel the same way about the Arnott.

[Kenan]

It looks so cool and sounded great, but yeah, it was so normal and okay.

[Doug]

That is Nick's situation. Crazy. Nick lives up to the hype. He imported the Multipla. He almost accidentally bought another yellow Range Rover.

[Kenan]

And he continues to lowball people on Facebook Marketplace.

[Doug]

He's lowballing people on Facebook Marketplace. And his Bentley is in the shop for the 19th time, addressing five warning lights like he's had the car for a year and there's still five warning lights on.

[Kenan]

Now, how many of these were present before you did the clock spring out of curiosity and you left the battery.

[Nick]

Well, the airbag light was on, right? One out of five.

[Kenan]

So some would say the fact that the manual said you're supposed to unplug this is probably on you and not on serious psa.

[Nick]

Unplugging your airbag. I thought it was just like a safety thing to make sure it didn't blow up in your face, which, fine, whatever. But no, it messes your. Your electronic system. That's why you do it. So take the time. But yeah, I. The. Basically the reason I started a YouTube channel is I get so much stuff like this going on that I can't jam it into the car pod once a month when I join.

[Doug]

So follow along. Nick's YouTube channel. Which is. Which is his name, but he's called it. He started introducing himself as Crazy Nick.

[Kenan]

Right. This is just Nick.

[Nick]

Some continuity. And also give people something to expect since it seems like it was edited by a hamster on Adderall.

[Doug]

Yeah, no. And that's.

[Kenan]

There's some good hamster in there.

[Doug]

This is good content. This is not the Maserati Quattroporte cold start, which I think was just in the cars and bids on.

[Nick]

Did you hear that? Cold start, though. Pretty tasty.

[Kenan]

He's got some good stuff.

[Nick]

PCM. PCM, wireless CarPlay retrofit and Sam's dining room table with.

[Kenan]

And I think I was there. I think having a beer. Literally having a cold one.

[Doug]

Two videos especially have been like banger videos that you should be watching. Nick is making real content about real stuff. And the next video might have a cheap ML55 in it.

[Nick]

Me eating that Taco Bell in front of a relaxed back was for you.

[Doug]

I didn't understand any of that. I watched that part of the video and it.

[Kenan]

For me, I was just like, wow.

[Nick]

I wanted to show it being used in practical scenarios that Americans would. So I went through a drive through with a. I drove past the strip mall.

[Doug]

Yeah. What the drive thru.

[Kenan]

Subscribe to you from the Cars and Bids account.

[Nick]

Subscribe.

[Doug]

Okay, we got to move on to the market report. Market report. Market report. The market report is brought to you by Cars and Bids. No, the Market Report. Flippo's not here. He's not going to fight me. The Market report is brought to you by Nick's YouTube channel. Go to Nick's YouTube channel. Go back to it. Nick's YouTube channel brings us today the Market Report. Nick, thank you so much for the generous sponsorship fee of $0.

[Nick]

You're welcome.

[Doug]

$0. By the way, speaking of Hoovy coming up there. Did you see that comment Hoovy left? I made a video last week. I posted a video. I actually record those Sunday videos. I record like nine of them at once. So I made that video even before you were into the slr. And the video was called Cars that are not Going up in Value. It was right there. Yeah. And this one and I. It was a little bit of a controversial video. And I knew that going in saying certain Cars wouldn't go up in value. Hoovy chimes in, and the slr. I said. I said that the SLR was one of the cars that isn't going up in value. Hoovy chimes in and he says, my SLR has been great because I think one of the things I talked about was how it breaks. It's difficult to own. So people say, my LSLR has been great. It hasn't been expensive, been going to the Indy, et cetera, et cetera. I think you put this in the video to help depress values so your cheapskate friend Nick can buy one. Now. Two things about this. First off, I am flattered that Hoovy thinks that my Sunday content is anything more than me simply attempting to fill a hole in my video sketch. I'm flattered that he thinks there's more strategy to it than that. There is not. But most importantly, Nick is obsessed with the slr. Now he wants to get an slr. The genesis of his obsession is as follows. Over the summer, I kept. We have a group Chicago group chat, and I got, like, really into SLRs over the summer, and I started texting the group thread about values, and no one would talk to me about it. And there's like nine people in this thread. No one cared. So we get to Monterey, and So now it's August 15th, we're in Monterey. I've already filmed this video. And I bring up the SLR briefly to Nick after having all summer mentioned it. And then Nick, like, freaks out. It's like the SLR dslr. Why don't I get an slr? I should get an slr. I could get an slr. And to the point where he starts going up to random strangers at twail, where we were when I brought it up to him, saying, what do you think of the slr? Is the SLR cool? And people are like, who are you?

[Kenan]

He went up to this guy. It was just like the poster child for Gen Z wearing, like, baggy, very cool clothes. And I was like, what do you think of the slr? And he was like, it's fun, I guess. I don't know.

[Nick]

My boy Brock, I love that guy.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And I do enjoy that. I've went gone from crazy neck to.

[Doug]

Cheapskate neck nit Hoovy, who I can't.

[Nick]

Disagree with either phrasing. Like, both are accurate.

[Doug]

So Nick's been like, kicking around the idea of buying Hoovy's slr, which had a fire at one point, and put a Montana plate on it.

[Nick]

Yeah. Also kind of guilty.

[Kenan]

100%.

[Doug]

Oh, man, that is absolutely lovely. Anyway, Hoovy, I'm flattered at the. At the thought that I had some sort of big strategy to this, but I promise you, this video was recorded before Nick's slr obsession, but during my own.

[Nick]

And Hoovy, I'm interested if you wanna, you know, holler.

[Doug]

All right, we gotta talk mark up.

[Nick]

I'll give you 185 today.

[Doug]

I'll give you 186.

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[Doug]

We gotta talk market reports starting with the RS4. Pull it up. This is the coolest thing on the site. Nick, tell us about the B5 RS4. You're an Audi man.

[Nick]

I'm an Audi man and I am a B5RS4 man in particular. Beautiful car. Actually, I was speaking to someone at Big socal Euro who had owned one of these. And he actually brought his imported S2 to the show, which was really cool. But he's like, most of the parts are actually shared with an S4, so servicing it is not as difficult as you think. Like the Cosworth particular parts I don't understand are findable and get. But like the water pump and like the belts and all that. Like, same as maintaining a B5S4. So this guy runs Pacific German, but he's like, no problem. Like that's easily serviceable, won't be an issue.

[Doug]

I've heard that from other people.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

But I don't understand it because that's.

[Nick]

Been the only thing holding us back a little bit was, okay, if it's Cosworth tuned, never sold here, how hard will it be? And then the local San Diego shop here says we don't work on B5s, period.

[Doug]

Well, local shop here won't work on B5s, but my understanding was that it wasn't just Cosworth tuned, it was Cosworth's engine. Now I look at the listing, it's a 2.7 Turbo V6 which said suggest to me it was Cosworth 2 because.

[Nick]

The regular one breathed on it. But I don't think it's pull up the engine proprietary to Cosworth.

[Doug]

It looks so, it looks so meaty. That engine in there looks so meaty. That's not what the regular B5 S4 motor looks like.

[Nick]

Yeah, that's the same engine cover.

[Doug]

That's interesting.

[Nick]

But regardless of that, it's that one that's they're. They're now 25 years old or approaching that. So I think we're going to start to see more. Some were federalized and brought in, some were not.

[Doug]

Yeah, well, it doesn't matter.

[Nick]

Some will come under the 25 years. So we're seeing values all over the place from like I think I've seen the highest mileage non blue one go for like 60s to like the nicest of the nice. Hitting 200 because we sold type in.

[Doug]

Type in RS4 Avant. We sold a crazy.

[Nick]

I was an under bidder on one on the site.

[Doug]

Yeah. So we've sold a few now this one was a nice 191. It's important to make the distinction, as you just did though, that Nagaro blue is everything. Blue is everything. But also there was a time this car sold when it was only 20 years old. When it was federalized. Yeah, they are. The cars are now 25 in fact, I suspect, although I don't know this, I Suspect that's one of the reasons why they're selling it, because they're just on the cusp of when the car becomes not having to be federalized anymore, when you can just bring it in at 25 years old. I suspect we will see more of.

[Nick]

2001 is really where they started to hit the stride with production. So. And they do go by the production date, not necessarily the date on the.

[Doug]

When you go back to the. To the list of the ones that we just had, we actually have already had our first 25er come up. It was this one in France that didn't need to be federalized, which just no sale. That 65, which I think is a pretty good indication of where the market.

[Nick]

Is going to start valuing these for a silver one. That's like. It's a good car, but not anything to write home about.

[Doug]

I will say I drove the blue one that we have listed. I drove it back when we sold it the first time because it had been on the site before.

[Nick]

Yep.

[Doug]

Truly one of the great driving experiences my entire life. I have always loved the B5. I had a B5 in college. I've always felt that platform size was fantastic. I love the steering feel. I love the handling. I love the size of the car, how tossable it is. But I always felt in all the other B5s I drove that it was just a lit. It wasn't right. It was a little too much understeer. It was a little too underpowered.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I got in this car and it was like, it all came down.

[Nick]

It fixes everything you didn't like about your RS2.

[Doug]

Yeah. And everything I didn't like about my B5. A4. Like, it, like, puts it, like, fixes both of those issues. And the only thing holding me back has been reliability. But that's interesting to hear.

[Nick]

Yeah, interesting. Yeah.

[Doug]

Where is this Pacific German located?

[Nick]

Orange County, I believe.

[Doug]

Interesting.

[Kenan]

You're not doing this.

[Doug]

Laguna Hills.

[Kenan]

Don't even. You're not.

[Doug]

Why shouldn't I?

[Kenan]

You're not doing a 993. You're not doing this.

[Doug]

You know why I won't do the RS4? Because you're cars. There's other things looming. Whoever sent this to us, unbelievable timing. I hadn't even thought about the 993 Turbo in a year. And then I just got on it. I just got on it.

[Kenan]

And thank you to whoever it was. It truly showed up.

[Nick]

The A2 has opened the floodgates for Doug buying more cars.

[Doug]

If anything, the A2 reminds me of why I do not like to buy cars. We are in title hell with it right now.

[Nick]

We're not. We're not. I got all the papers work together except for one. Right?

[Kenan]

Except for one.

[Doug]

And the one is the one we need to title.

[Nick]

It's not a bell of sale.

[Doug]

We're in title hell right now with the A2. We are in. I want to get this in the. In my shot. There we go. We're in title hell with the A2. Driving it is not that great. Anytime anything seems like it breaks, you're screwed. You got to deal with. I don't. I hate this whole process. I like the 3. This why I limited myself to a 4 car garage. I like the cars I have. Yeah.

[Kenan]

That's why I've limited myself to one.

[Doug]

But look at this. Don't you want this instead of your M5.

[Kenan]

No, but it is, it is really cool.

[Doug]

You would rather have it.

[Nick]

I'm excited that they're coming up for sale. It's something I've waited for. The B7RS4, when it comes, I'll be even more excited about.

[Kenan]

But B7RS4 vaunted.

[Nick]

I'm hoping a couple more of these hit now. I've heard two theories since this is a market report. One that when the 25 year old cars come it drives up the market in demand for all of them and doesn't actually hurt the ones that were federalized before in terms of which has.

[Doug]

Happened to the Skyline.

[Nick]

Then I've also heard, hey, no, if supply exceeds the demand demand then obviously it depresses the values.

[Doug]

That's going to happen here.

[Kenan]

That's going to happen.

[Doug]

I have a suspicion that's going to happen here because I don't think there's quite enough demand.

[Nick]

It certainly hasn't happened yet. So it depends on how many people bring it.

[Doug]

I would argue though that that 65 result on that French car shows you kind of where the market's going to end up being. I think that 50 to 70 is where these are going to settle. Whereas with the federalized ones before you could see those values we were getting 90s. Yeah, 80s high. 80s, 90s.

[Nick]

I think those were very strong numbers though because those were so rare and. And they were very good specs. Very low miles. I agree.

[Doug]

But regardless, once these cars can just be brought in on any boat with anybody. The federalization process was not tremendously challenging for this car. This company in Maryland did it years ago but it was nonetheless.

[Nick]

I told our importer buddy, put these on the List. Especially if you find like Goodwood green or like a special rare color or Nagaro.

[Doug]

Nagaro.

[Kenan]

This is the color.

[Doug]

Give us the other very interesting market report. Kenan, about the BMW situation.

[Kenan]

Yes. So recently we sold a BMW E30. This is known as the Italian M M3. It's the 320is these cars are selling for real money. 54. Five for an E30. Now E30 M3s are. We've sold a couple for like notably in and around that number.

[Doug]

I think about this car all the time. It was so rough and it only sold for 30.

[Kenan]

This one was rough.

[Doug]

I like this would be such a good car to just like beat on and just not care about. But you have an E30 M3. Right.

[Kenan]

Anyway, but this one was relatively nice. Still a driver and it sold for 50. And this 320 is recently sold for more. And so it is crazy. Now granted this did have an S14 in it, a detuned one. It was the same engine as the M3 but it's smaller because for tax regulations. I think that's why they put it in this car. So it could. In Italy at the time there was.

[Doug]

A higher tax rate on cars with an engine larger than two liters and so three.

[Kenan]

I think maybe.

[Doug]

No, no, it was a two liter. It was two. And that's why. Remember the other car that came out as a result. Result of this Ferrari?

[Kenan]

Yeah, Ferrari.

[Doug]

The Turbo 208.

[Kenan]

They. Well, they made the 208. Then they followed that up with the Ferrari. It was called the GTS Turbo and it was a 328 with a smaller engine and a big turbo. And the graphics on the.

[Doug]

Virtually nobody knows this, but Ferrari made for the Italian market only a 2 liter version of the 308 and the 320.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Doug]

And the reason they're not known is because they've never left Italy. It's not like a car you want to go after. It looks just like a 308. Slowest but on the back and there was a 208 GT4 also. And on the back it literally says 208 instead of 308.

[Nick]

And that's does look good.

[Doug]

Still, unfortunately the situation.

[Kenan]

I know someone who has driven one and she told me it was terrible. So yeah, it said turbo in those.

[Doug]

Turbo.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Just so deep.

[Doug]

But the BMW is priced.

[Kenan]

The BMW is definitely priced. Now there are several versions of the E30 that are. That are not M3s. The 333, I believe for the South African market. They also did a 328 is, I believe, specifically for the South African market. Just like the 333. But nonetheless it shows that they. People really want these cars.

[Doug]

The cool thing about it is that it was, it was, it was the M motor like you said. So that's. That's cool. But also it was like the latest, weightest, you know, tossablest kind of thing. Like it was. If you are a purist who just wants like a really stripped out, like fun, throw it around car, this is that they did a sedan and a. And a coupe.

[Kenan]

Exactly. And it's a. It's more if you know. You know, amongst the BMW set, if you show up in this tube, you're legit. You're.

[Doug]

Yeah. Anybody can get any 30. Mm. Three. Yeah, I got three.

[Kenan]

I got the Italian M3.

[Doug]

The Italian M3.

[Kenan]

The Filippo M3.

[Doug]

I didn't really realize that it was a detuned S14. I thought it was just a four cylinder. So this actually is an M powered car. Did it have a WBS vin?

[Kenan]

Well, no. Or wb? No, because it was also.

[Doug]

Yeah, that is a cool car. I am shocked at that number. But I'm thrilled that we got it and that it was such a nice car that we were able to sell.

[Kenan]

Definitely.

[Doug]

Very cool to see it.

[Kenan]

Definitely. I totally agree.

[Doug]

Well, I Want to talk Gen3 Viper before we move on to the questions.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Hell yeah. Oh, sorry. Just type in Viper.

[Doug]

We've been talking a little about Gen 3 Vipers, but it's time to do a whole thing. Nick, you wrote this down. What's your take on this?

[Nick]

I'm sure y' all can chime in more. I just look at the number and I look at the picture and I say bye. Like 30s for a car that looks like that with a V10 with 500 horsepower, I really don't need to say much else.

[Doug]

What are the trucks cost or.

[Nick]

No much else.

[Doug]

What do the trucks cost?

[Nick]

Like an SRT 10, the quad, quad cab or standard? You can get a 20 buys you kind of a rougher one. 30 buys you a good one.

[Doug]

So the truck is not more expensive.

[Nick]

And maybe 50 buys you like a super low mile VCA1 or something.

[Doug]

This is a 25,000 miles 33. What? How many miles are on the Viper? The trucks are not more.

[Nick]

They're almost on the same.

[Doug]

The Viper is not more expensive than the truck.

[Nick]

And getting a silver Viper truck and a silver gen 3 Viper of the same, like they're both 2003, 2004, like.

[Doug]

70 will buy you the payer pretty cylinder 6 liters dude that's crazy. That is pretty wild.

[Nick]

I know.

[Doug]

Yes.

[Nick]

You have one in the the office right now. We've all kind of looked at it. Sure. The interior is a little like not great but good enough I would say fantastic.

[Doug]

There's one sitting in the office. It's been in the office for a few weeks. I'm going to review it and we're going to post it on the site in a couple weeks. I had kind of like most people I had kind of ignored the Gen 3 Viper for a long time because the 1 and 2 Vipers had that famous design and then the the later ones so crazy and cool. The three was always kind of the stepchild of the Viper world but it is a lot of car for the.

[Nick]

Money I think it's good looking.

[Doug]

It's definitely good looking. It doesn't have the cool look of like the original or the or the gen two you know but what a.

[Nick]

First gen he's just.

[Doug]

He just wants to look at first.

[Kenan]

Gen. Well first gen is cooler looking.

[Doug]

That is such a cool car.

[Kenan]

I agree red with the chromies that's.

[Doug]

The I really like so 3035 to 45 buys you a number Nice one. Yeah it's a pretty good car for that fantastic value. It must be cheap to own. You can get in and out of it. Why don't you get one of these.

[Nick]

And I think they have fixed a lot of the Gen1 Gen2 issues in terms of like like it's still not an easy car to own but you're not going to like burn your leg.

[Doug]

Gen 2 was already pretty easy.

[Kenan]

Yeah I have to say it is I I drove around when we have in the office like I talked about and it is still you good in it. Thanks I do I I do suspect I'm going to end up with it.

[Doug]

Is a raw car how come you don't one of these why isn't this on your wants the truck I do.

[Nick]

Want the truck first but I had settle for the quad yeah quad for the kids I would like the manual and you could swap the manual but it's not really worth it.

[Doug]

You could get both your kids into the the the single cab legally sitting.

[Nick]

Them in the front I not both.

[Doug]

Yeah it's a bench that'd be a bench with a manual Rare even my.

[Nick]

Kid my kids would kick the shifter.

[Kenan]

Out of the gear rare since like being scare yeah I guess but like yeah he no even he thinks that's.

[Nick]

Sketchy and A quad cam would be super usable. Like you could use that.

[Doug]

Yeah, but it's a tip.

[Nick]

It's fine.

[Doug]

Maybe for you.

[Nick]

Not for burnouts.

[Doug]

We're manual guys.

[Kenan]

That's right. But yes, I agree with you. 3rd gen Vipers, I think are just a tremendous value. 30.

[Nick]

They should be worth double that.

[Doug]

Okay, we got to move on to questions. Questions, questions, questions, questions. You can ask us questions. And please do. Because this week's crop of questions was only. Okay, you go to carsandbids.com, you click on the community tab, for God's sake. There will be a post there that says questions and then ask your question. We want your questions. If you remember, late in the week. Oh, I should have asked them a question. Go into Cars and Bids and ask it to us. I will find your question. I scrolled to the very bottom this week looking for good stuff.

[Nick]

We film on Wednesdays though, so late in the week. Yeah.

[Doug]

Gotta be done by probably Tuesday morning. Tuesday, late in the week.

[Nick]

We mean Tuesday.

[Doug]

Ask us a good question. And I mean good as in controversial. Give us. Give us some fury. We like fury. Like that guy who asked if we have beef with Matt Watson from carwow, which we don't, unfortunately. I wish we had some controversy, but maybe a question asker can give us some.

[Kenan]

Matt's great. I love it.

[Doug]

Okay, first question from Lamboguy565. I'll let you guys take this one because I already have a good answer in my mind. What car screams? I know nothing about cars. And I want to preface this by saying we all know like a CRV or RAV4, but like, what enthusiast car screams. I know nothing about SF90. Oh, wow. Damn. He really went there hard.

[Kenan]

I mean, kind of a lot of the. Usually if it's new and kind of flashy and someone says the model name before saying the manufacturer. So just like SF90 Ferrari. It's like you don't know anything about it.

[Doug]

It is weird when people do that. They do that.

[Kenan]

The 911 Porsche.

[Doug]

It's like, I got a 911 Porsche. Huh?

[Kenan]

That's like, okay.

[Doug]

It's going to be one of those conversations.

[Kenan]

You're about to hit us with a fact that it's completely inaccurate. Yep. And Nick's gonna fall for it and regurgitate it somewhere.

[Doug]

That's exactly what happens.

[Kenan]

But I think, yeah, any like the new, like, I. I'm like, if I see that or if honest kind of the 296. Any of the.

[Doug]

Can I tell you something on this subject, but it's. Now we're on a tangent. I drove this week the SF90XX.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah.

[Kenan]

Oh, cool. That's. Is it under embargo? You can, you can talk about it, right?

[Doug]

I loved it.

[Kenan]

Yeah. I'm sure it's a great car to drive.

[Doug]

I absolutely loved it. And I've been the biggest complainer about the SF90. And so I get in this thing with low expectations and it was awesome. Absolutely awesome.

[Kenan]

I'm sure.

[Doug]

Raw. It felt like a 430scud like the SF90IS. It was nothing like an SF90. It was so much more raw and visceral and loud and powerful and like trying to kill you. It was so cool.

[Kenan]

So do you think they took that and then dulled it down and gave us the SF90? And then.

[Doug]

You know, it's funny because on paper it's not different. It only has 30 more horsepower and it weighs only 20 pounds less. It's like, okay, that's not going to be different.

[Kenan]

That's how it delivers.

[Doug]

It's how it feels and how it delivers it. All the leather is out of the interior. It's. It's just like, it's. You see welds like, it is. It is like a 430scoot. And it's so loud and so like.

[Nick]

Raw and looks cool too.

[Doug]

Yeah, I was. It's a million dollars, but I was really into it.

[Kenan]

Million dollars?

[Doug]

Yeah. I drove a Spider. It was a million bucks. Anyway, my answer for this is brand new Maserati. Any brand new Maserati is a person who thinks they are a car enthusiast and, like, thinks other people will perceive them as such. But a real car enthusiast looks at them and is like, no, I was.

[Nick]

Gonna go with McLaren GT.

[Doug]

Yeah. Although that's, that's getting down to a price point where I'm starting to get appealing.

[Nick]

Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Used one for sure.

[Doug]

If that thing's. If that thing's not 90, I mean, why is it different from another McLaren? Like, at least the GT is a little newer and a little bit more. Yeah, these.

[Nick]

I mean, they're coming on.

[Kenan]

That was a year ago too.

[Doug]

Yeah. This One bid to 131. I have a suspicion this car's at 90 in about 18 months.

[Nick]

That's true.

[Doug]

Start to wonder.

[Nick]

MP 12, 4C. You look at it and think, that guy is awesome. And I want to talk to them because I want to know how it is to own it. And, like, they must be very, like, pain tolerant. Right?

[Doug]

Don't you think that car's too risky to own.

[Nick]

I just assume most of the people in them right now now got tricked into them by a dealer because they didn't know any better and are therefore total putzes. No offense to the McLaren GT owners that are listening to this. All three.

[Doug]

I love the McLarens.

[Nick]

Yeah, we all do great cars.

[Doug]

No, I think that those cars at a number makes sense. Which is one of the reasons why I specifically am saying anybody who buys.

[Nick]

A new Maserati, I've been using that line on all the SLR dealers. That car at a number makes makes sense. The number you're asking. Not as much.

[Doug]

Nick called an SLR dealer the other day and they. They replied to his low ball and said I respect the offer. I cannot sell the car anywhere near that price.

[Nick]

It's only 75k less than their ass. I don't understand why the hostility.

[Kenan]

Was that question an enthusiast card? What was?

[Doug]

I would think of it as enthusiast cars. What? What car screams? I know nothing about cars. Cuz you assume that most cars scream. I think it's more along the lines of like what car that is supposed to say that? You know something?

[Nick]

Honda Prologue would be.

[Doug]

Yeah, do my research.

[Nick]

I just like Hondas.

[Doug]

Right, yeah, of course.

[Nick]

There's a few in there that are regular car shows.

[Doug]

Next question from Sterberger. What is this is a good one. What is your holy trinity of YouTube podcaster or TV car show personalities? Context. If the three of you were to go on vacation for a week, who would you pick to host the pod in your absence? Well, there's whistling. Interesting.

[Kenan]

There's a specific group of three that is the best that I've ever done it.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Kenan]

You know the Top Gear tree.

[Doug]

That's obvious.

[Kenan]

That's the obvious one. And. And it. It is obvious. But it is also true. Anytime three people are in camera, if they're talking about cars, they are who they get compared to. Rightfully so. As they were the best.

[Doug]

Yep. So for you, it's them. But give me something. Who else you like? Who else do you like?

[Kenan]

You agree whistling to replace we would.

[Nick]

Be on this deserted island with them.

[Doug]

No, no, we're go.

[Nick]

Whistling would destroy me. God.

[Doug]

You want to des minute?

[Kenan]

No offense. You want to desert it? I would.

[Doug]

You're on week one vacation and they come and replace us for the week on the pod.

[Nick]

Who would we stand in? Nick, that's what I'm here because Filippo's not here.

[Doug]

The question takes 11 seconds to listen to process.

[Nick]

Well, I started thinking about who I would pick and Then I realized I can't say that I'm allowed, so I.

[Doug]

Have to like, who are they? These are like OnlyFans creators or. Why can't you say them aloud?

[Nick]

No, they're car YouTubers.

[Doug]

Who?

[Nick]

April Colette and Sarah Sabrina.

[Doug]

Okay, why can't you say them aloud? We need to cut off My wife.

[Nick]

My wife listens to the podcast and I've been in enough trouble as is.

[Doug]

Okay, okay, Nick, who would you choose?

[Nick]

I would choose the three of you.

[Kenan]

I'm glad you listen to the question.

[Doug]

No, it has to be people. When we go away, who are we picking to replace us? I've selected whistling. He said the Top Gear guys, which is kind of a cop out. What is your yours?

[Kenan]

I'm thinking more.

[Nick]

I would say my favorite. My favorite two car YouTubers right now would either be Rich Rebuilds cuz I think he's the funniest.

[Doug]

Rich Rebuilds would be great.

[Nick]

Or Alex from Legit Street Cars cuz I think he's the most knowledgeable.

[Doug]

Okay, Rich Rebuilds I'll take. I like Alex too, but I'll take Rich. I want to. I want to change my whistling to Rich just cuz I think whistling would not do well in a talk show format.

[Nick]

So underrated and so funny.

[Doug]

Yeah, totally agree.

[Kenan]

Unfort it would be more of a podcast for me because it would be very technical and nerdy. But I think Harry Metcalf and W.E. catchpole and probably Chris Harris, if could have those three. All British, but if you could have them, it be much more pleasant to listen to, I think, than us.

[Nick]

I throw a wild card in for regular car reviews too for the same reason.

[Kenan]

Humor and Roman, both of them.

[Doug]

Rich though is the funniest car guy on YouTube. Rich hoovy and Freddy, throw them all together. One time when I was at Amelia Like 10 years ago, I had lunch with the three of them. And me.

[Kenan]

Oh, that must have been incredible When.

[Doug]

Harry was there, when the Career GT was debuted at Paris, I was sitting there with luminaries and also Freddie. Just kidding. Love Freddy dearly. Okay, next question from ehm600. This is a great question because it's going to out Nick for what he is.

[Kenan]

That's hard to do.

[Doug]

Tell us about the cars you all grew up around. What were the cars your parents and friends had growing up? What did you drive in high school? Ken and I were poor children. Our parents had geometros with three wheels and we as young children had to lift up the other corner of the car to take it to school. Nick, on the other hand.

[Kenan]

GRE on the water.

[Doug]

Nick, tell us about your program.

[Nick]

It's in Sandusky, Ohio. Okay. It's not. Not quite as bougie as you're making it sound.

[Kenan]

You had watercraft?

[Nick]

We had boats, yes.

[Doug]

How many boats is boats?

[Kenan]

Nine.

[Doug]

Right.

[Nick]

Do you count ice boats in the number?

[Kenan]

What, like an icebreaker?

[Nick]

Three sailboats, two ice boats.

[Doug]

What are ice boats? Like? They, like, they go on the surface.

[Nick]

Yeah. When the lake freezes, you can sail.

[Doug]

I don't count those because they're not water. Water boats. So three. Three sailboats, two. What was the next one?

[Nick]

Yachts, two ice boats and then two. We had a 14 foot roundabout, like a. Whatever car. Whatever. A smaller boat. And then we had a 20. Sorry. 33 foot Boston Whaler outrage.

[Doug]

They bought a nice Boston Whaler outrage. Okay.

[Nick]

Of course.

[Doug]

What about the vehicles? Tell us about the vehicles.

[Nick]

My dad actually had a little flair for being dangerous, so he bought an X Type. The first model year. Jaguar didn't end up being great. A Volkswagen tuig. First model year wasn't great. So then he decided he had an ML320.

[Doug]

First model year first.

[Nick]

That was actually the only car that was great. We kept that one for like 15 years and then ended up, like, donating at the charity at the end.

[Doug]

Those were reliable? It turned out to be reliable.

[Nick]

Those were all good. My mom never really had any. She mostly had minivans. Like an old Silhouette is when I got my first.

[Doug]

You want Silhouette?

[Nick]

Yeah. Beige on beige.

[Doug]

What gen? Dustbuster or next.

[Nick]

We bought it new when I was in high school. So let's call it 99, 2000.

[Doug]

Okay. So it was the bad gen, the.

[Nick]

Boring gen, the Warner brothers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I had a 95 Ford Explorer. I was in a car group at the time. The other guys were a Ford ZX2, an SN95 Mustang. Like very. A Grand Am GT.

[Doug]

God, this is the Midwest.

[Nick]

Yeah. Very Midwest selection of cars.

[Doug]

This is the absolute Midwest. When your dad brought home that X Type, it must have been like a huge deal.

[Nick]

It had 18s, like that was. It was a big deal. The Black burl was 3L.

[Doug]

It was a 3 liter.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah.

[Doug]

Wow. Wow. Must have been nice.

[Nick]

See, I'll send the editors the photo of the Explorer, but I put in 18 inch chrome wheels, clear tail lights, billet grill with flames behind it.

[Doug]

What happened?

[Nick]

Three 12 inch subs.

[Doug]

Like when you went off to college, what did your parents have?

[Nick]

My dad just started buying mls, which became the Gle Every like three years you lease a new one as a company thing. So my mom got an E450 coupe at one point but she didn't really get care for it.

[Doug]

I was brought home from the hospital in a 1987 Toyota Camry or a 1981 Volkswagen Jetta coupe. I don't remember. Tough for you to recall my parents my entire life. Basically the car that we had was a 1993 Isuzu rodeo with a manual transmission, steel wheels and that was our family car.

[Kenan]

That's very reasonable.

[Doug]

No airbags. My parents had looked at an Explorer. We couldn't afford an Explorer. They, they tried to make it where they wanted it so bad. Couldn't do it. Bought an Isuzu Rodeo instead.

[Nick]

Cool.

[Doug]

From Jerry Roth Isuzu in Denver or in Aurora I guess. And, and then they had that car basically until I went off to college pretty much that was our family car. And I remember it was a two row and sometimes when we had friends over, whatever we were just told to go into the cargo area and like if we saw a cop like bend over, you know, so I wouldn't see it. And that was our, that was our car. My dad replaced the 87 Camry with a 98 Camry with a cassette player. In 98 there was no CD player. My dad couldn't spring for the CD player one. So it was a four cylinder LE with hubcaps. Those were our cars. Wow. That was it. That's all we ever had until I was already in college and away from the whole thing. Base model bs.

[Kenan]

My family grew up in a Ford family. My grandfather worked for Ford and so we used the Z plan quite a bit. And so my mom had, or when I was born she had a Ford Probe. The first gen Ford Probe. It was manual which was cool. She loved that car. Had the pop up headlights and she. Yeah, she liked it. Of course inevitably pop up headlights failed and then the engine started to have problems and they had to get rid of that. Of course they also, they had a, When I was born they got a Ford Windstar. First gen Ford Winstar. Replaced that with a second gen Windstar which was much nicer than the first one was.

[Doug]

The second gen Windstar was an okay car.

[Kenan]

It was an okay car and it.

[Doug]

Was the only good minivan Ford ever made.

[Kenan]

Gold on tank. Yeah, it was, it was a surprisingly good car. My dad then had a Mercury, he had a Ford Taurus, then a Mercury Sable and then, then he got into Subarus. He had a base, base, base, base, Impreza. He wanted just to be able to he two or three criteria. Had to be all wheel drive, had to be able to fit his skis, had to have heated seats. That was it. And so he got a base one with just a couple little options. That was like genuinely what he. What he wanted. And then after that, then they switched to. My mom had a Honda Pilot after that. Or we had two Odysseys and then a Pilot. And then they are now all on Subar, switched away from Ford.

[Doug]

They have like multiple outbacks or ascents or something.

[Kenan]

Yeah. An Outback and an Ascent now. Yeah.

[Doug]

Damn. Must be nice. Yeah.

[Kenan]

But I. But my whole life growing up, it was all Fords. It was all Fords.

[Doug]

My dad now drives or my parents now have a 2005 Lexus RX330. That is, as I think about it, only the third car my dad has owned in my entire life.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Doug]

He had that 87 Camry until 98. That was 10 years. He had a 98 Camry until he bought the Lexus used. He bought the Lexus CPO in like nine. And he's had the Lexus for now 15 or 16 years.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Kenan]

Your dad and I keep cars for a long time.

[Doug]

That's just the way it works in our household.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Doug]

It was unusual growing up to be a car enthusiast in that world. Yep.

[Kenan]

I only did because I had neighbors who were and turned me on to cars.

[Doug]

I know. That's why I think that there's still hope for my son who's now 4 and doesn't care at all about my cars. Is that you didn't get into car 1310. Yes, but.

[Kenan]

Yeah, that's right.

[Nick]

I was day one.

[Doug]

Day one. Me too.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And. And my parents didn't know what to do with it.

[Nick]

I also forgot our second garage. So just quickly. 65 Mustang, 67 Mustang, 54 Packard, Auburn and A39 Rolls Royce.

[Doug]

The Packard and the 2. And the 2 Mustangs. Hey, man. Been there. I tell you sometime. You know, I forgot also the watercraft were in the way.

[Nick]

It was a detached garage. It was easy to forget about.

[Doug]

I forgot also in addition to the cars, I. My parents also had a 288G they bought new.

[Nick]

And the 65 Mustang I worked on in high school though that like really solidified it. Like it was a lot of fun.

[Doug]

That really taught him. He said, move the Packard. I want to get to the Mustang. Get the Packard out of the way and the new Jaguar. Okay, next question. Next question. From F40RCK5. Hey, Doug. You said in your review of the EQS that it's better than the S Class and you'd get one over an S Class. Do you still stand by that knowing the impression that driving an expensive luxury EV would give other cars enthusiasts? I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't care at all what impression my car. You. I drive a Sequoia, okay? Have you seen that? Have you seen my convertible G wagon? I don't care at all the impression that the car gives to other car. I do stand by that. I think the eqs a fantastic car and it's even better now because used ones are amazing values. It drives beautifully. The only real complaint, the only real complaint that people have about that car is the way it looks. And if you give me 25 grand less than an S class to be in an uglier car that that looks, that drives the same, done deal. I know Nick would do that too. My cheapskate friend Nick.

[Nick]

According to huey, buying an S65OK from 2000, both are off my radar.

[Doug]

Okay, next question, next question, next question. Let's do two more.

[Nick]

Much like the second garage. I forgot to look at the questions in advance. So pick ones I find.

[Kenan]

You know, that's better honestly.

[Doug]

We'll do three more. They're all really quick actually. EVs and clutch pedals. For Kenan, you're loaned a pristine all expenses paid for Re F40 to use as a weekend car for the next five years. But the caveat is you have to Daily your M5 but when you're not driving it, your friends will be driving it and dirtying it and treating however they're used to treating cars. At a minimum, Doug will crash into his house a time or two. I crashed into my garage. Do you expect except going to have 40 for weekends. But I eat in your M5. I eat in it.

[Kenan]

That's the thing. Nobody else would drive it or use it cuz they'd be too afraid of how angry I would be when I get it back and I would assail them after that, which I could be very abusive.

[Doug]

I would eat in it. I got, I got.

[Kenan]

But you, yeah, you would make it. You would do like that Jeremy Clarkson thing when James lent him his F430 and he was like eating chocolate in it and threw a wrapper in it. You would do that to me?

[Doug]

I wouldn't do it to upset you, but I would do it because that's just how I, you know, how we live. I think the kids would ride on it for sure. They would put the car seats in it.

[Kenan]

There would be cheese.

[Nick]

My dogs.

[Kenan]

That would be. Oh my God. Maybe not. Maybe not.

[Doug]

Oh my.

[Kenan]

No, I think. But then I could. I could really one up both of you and show up everywhere in an F40.

[Doug]

Yeah. And I would show up to that same event in your ethernet 5 and I would. And I would lick the steering wheel when I get there. I would lick it all the way.

[Nick]

I mean you could sacrifice the M5.

[Doug]

The whole thing. I would lick five years of an.

[Nick]

F40 for 40 grand of a car. Easy choice.

[Doug]

But remember, once it's licked, it can never be unlicked.

[Kenan]

That's why. Actually I probably should lock my car. You're get. You're looking at it. I don't. I. I think. I. I don't know.

[Nick]

Cuz you guys, what was the other one he did?

[Doug]

Dude's insane.

[Nick]

Shot himself on the foot.

[Doug]

The 993 Turbo S or his car. He went back and forth for his car at the end.

[Nick]

There should be zero thought recording required for this.

[Doug]

There's F40 for weekends. People are going to lick the car. You get an F40 for five years.

[Kenan]

I think I probably would do that. I think I probably would drive the F40.

[Nick]

I would let someone crush my house for this.

[Kenan]

I'm also worried that the F40 would be. I would just be so afraid. I've thought about like I've never driven.

[Doug]

An F. Well yeah, you'd be afraid. But it's paid for. All expenses paid. If you crash it, it's paid. Apparently. According to this fellow. Okay, next question. Next question from Cole Etc. 17. Doug Cannon Filippo. Many auctions are not closing with a sale. Implying that sellers are unrealistic with current market values. Does this imp market is getting cooler? No, the sale rate is the same. There was a couple days that were a little lower, but there's also been a couple days that were a little higher. Including today as the day we record this, which is Wednesday. Yeah. No sale rate's been the same. I don't think the market is cooling. I don't think the sellers are unrealistic with current market values generally any more than they usually are. Some higher dollar cars have missed recently. So that may be where this is coming from. From like oh, the person saw this but we also sold a bunch of higher dollar cars today. Anyway, point is, I think that is an unrealistic look at the CarsAndBids.com website. What'd we sell today? Anything cool.

[Nick]

I agree. Unless your name is Tyler Hoovie, then yes, your selling price is unrealistic.

[Doug]

Unrealistic. Drop that SLR to 113. Last question from Filippo. Signed to get an R8. Sadly, Filippo not here to get that sign and I guarantee he won't watch this. In the recent years we have seen Ferrari because it's about car enthusiast cars. He's not going to. In recent years we have seen Ferrari moving more down market with the Roma and vehicles like that and Lamborghini with the Urus. Do you believe that in the next decades we will see companies like Bugatti, Koenigsegg and Pagani go in the same direction? Yeah. I think that it's inevitable that eventually these companies at the very highest levels will try to make cars that are at slightly lower levels to get more people. And that's just kind of the way these companies work. Work. They, they, they want to grow, they want to expand, they want to make more money. Economies of scale. They will eventually do that. I'm not saying you're going to see a $200,000 Koenigsegg, but I wouldn't be entirely stunned if you saw a million dollar koenigsegg or a $900,000 Koenigsegg. That was a lot more gettable for a lot of people. Bugatti maybe won't because they already have Lamborghini occupying that space. Whatever. But I think Koenigsegg and Pagani will eventually end up in there.

[Kenan]

Every manufacturer does this. I mean, don't forget there was a time where Ferrari only made V12 cars. And then they came out with the Dino and then there was. And then they came up with the 308 and, you know, then they started that V8 line and, you know. Yes. And even like Gordon Mary Academy, they, you know, have the T50 and then the T33.

[Doug]

You know, there are still guys on Ferrari chat the real old timers on Ferrari, Chad, who think like, if a Ferrari doesn't have a 12 cylinder engine, it doesn't count. Like it's not a Ferrari.

[Kenan]

Right. Which of course is ludicrous. But they've won championships with like much smaller engines that aren't 12 cylinders.

[Doug]

In the minds of some of the old timers, it's 12 cylinders or walk, baby. About. All right, we're a couple of guys.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah.

[Doug]

Gated V12. That's how it was. That's how Enzo liked it when he was running away from elevators.

[Nick]

But that would preclude the F40, which is kind of a problem. And the 288 F40 is not a real Ferrari.

[Kenan]

The F40. Not a real Ferrari.

[Doug]

Not a real Ferrari. According to the old timers.

[Kenan]

Right? They're very with it.

[Nick]

I'm glad they're in charge.

[Doug]

They only know that the short nose, two cams, awful cars. Okay, that's it. Do you guys agree with that? That take. You think there will be a cheap pick Pagani one day? Cheap it as an 800.

[Kenan]

I. I think it would be less. It would be more approachable models. Yes, I think that's true.

[Doug]

Eventually what's going to happen to these companies which is what happened to Ferrari and Lamborghini? The guy will die. The company will end up in the hands of some other company, private equity and you know, or Audi in the case of Lamborghini or Fiat in the case of Ferrari. Who is going to want to maximize the value of the brand. And so they will start taking this, this vaunted brand and, and trying to make it a little bit more accessible so they can make more money. It's just the way it work stuff. It happened with Porsche, it happened with Maserati, etc.

[Nick]

I think what'll happen, Ford will resurrect the Premier Auto Group, buy all them up and use them as Halo cars to sell more Tauruses.

[Kenan]

The Premier Group can always count on Nick to have a good call back.

[Doug]

He's calling it back because he's got the X type on his mind. He's thinking about his X type now.

[Nick]

It was cool. I think it got unfairly criticized as the Mondeo.

[Kenan]

He's going to start lowballing people on.

[Nick]

Those are available?

[Doug]

Those are available. Available, yes. Okay. That was our podcast for the week. It was our finest podcast ever. Nick, do you have any parting thoughts?

[Nick]

Congrats on buying a car and we're happy that you're back on cars.

[Doug]

Nobody bought any cars. However, if you got an Arena993, I don't know how people can get in contact with me anymore. Sean will call me and be like, hey, someone just sent us a note. And it's like, where? How? He's like, do you want to do this or that or this happened or they sent us. If you find out how to get in contact with me and you have a993 Turbo. That's arena red.

[Kenan]

Jeez, God, you damaged the box. You are just. Oh, no.

[Doug]

It's not a good omen. All right, goodbye, everyone. Thank you for watching our finest podcast ever.

[Kenan]

Goodbye.

[Nick]

Bye.