Filippo (2:31)

No, this is a Navigator with a different Lincoln Grill.

Doug (2:36)

What happened is a couple of months ago we started talking about how Lincoln should make a Bronco because there's a G Wagon and it sells. And then this week they came out and announced that they were going to make a Bronco.

Nick (2:45)

Great.

Doug (2:46)

I got a buddy who works for Lincoln and I texted him randomly a couple weeks ago and he was like, hey, hey. Yeah, nice to hear from you. I talked to him in like a year, two years. He goes, nice to talk to you. By the way, the Lincoln Bronco is a good idea. And I thought he was kidding. And it turns out he was confirming it. Anyway, the point is this. I'm brilliant and always correct. You got anything to say to that?

Nick (3:06)

When I saw this news story, I immediately cringed and decided I cannot handle this.

Doug (3:12)

I also predicted the Xterra and years ago coming back. And years ago I said that Lexus should make a G Wagon. And then they took the GX and made it like a square.

Filippo (3:20)

Yeah.

Doug (3:20)

And you could say that this was brilliant, but really I was just saying that the automakers should all make off road vehicles because that is the trend. And despite years of me banging this drum, Chevy still does not have a Raptor competitor.

Filippo (3:32)

Insane. This is exciting. Obviously you should do this. Fun, fun fact. They were going to refresh the Bronco. They said this week that the Bronco is not getting a refresh at all because it's selling well.

Doug (3:43)

It's selling well. That's on a point. You know, the Corvette refresh was they took the buttons off the flyover.

Filippo (3:47)

They won't even do that.

Nick (3:48)

This basically is the refresh.

Doug (3:50)

One interesting thing about this, when we were talking about it, something I didn't say and. But I've been thinking, making a Lincoln version of the Bronco is going to be hard. The.

Filippo (3:59)

The.

Doug (3:59)

The G Wagon is purpose built, ground up as a luxury vehicle. The Bronco, no offense, is not a luxury vehicle. It's not a luxury car. Like the doors come off, the roof comes off.

Filippo (4:09)

It's competitive for what it is, but it's not.

Doug (4:11)

It's going to be hard to turn that. It's like how all those companies try to turn defenders into good cars and you can't actually do that.

Filippo (4:19)

Dead leather. But it's still defender.

Doug (4:20)

Still defender. It's trash. Like that's going to be the situation here. I'm Curious how you they succeeded with the Blackwood.

Filippo (4:28)

Blackwood. They succeeded with the Mark lt. What do you mean what's your concern?

Doug (4:32)

They did succeed with the navigator but I would argue that the you know the expedition is a much already lends itself to much more. It'll be very interesting to see how does a Lincoln Bronco the doors come off like do you know what I mean?

Filippo (4:44)

I imagine they civilized it's certainly going to be four door only they won't

Doug (4:47)

have a two door but imagine if they had a two door Lincoln Bronco with a V8 like the Defender 90

Nick (4:52)

V8 that would do. I'm into it.

Filippo (4:54)

I mean real they won't.

Nick (4:56)

You know the old G Wagon wasn't all that nice either. It was basically like but the John's bad color G Wagon not that nice

Doug (5:03)

but people have come to expect in today's world the G Wagon they like know the new Defender Lincoln.

Nick (5:09)

Your expectations are a little lower and sorry Lincoln I totally disagree with that.

Doug (5:13)

I think Lincoln makes the best cars in three segments therein they're great.

Filippo (5:17)

I you gotta imagine it will not have removable doors. It will not have a removable top but it will be capable off road and look like an off road.

Doug (5:25)

I honestly truly wonder. I mean the Bronco's an amazing chassis.

Filippo (5:29)

Do they just.

Doug (5:30)

Is it easier to just start from scratch you know because like it it. The Bronco is not a car where NVH is a is a thing they're thinking about much. It's probably 84th on the list but if you're going to charge the kind of money they they're going to have to because the Bronco's not cheap. So a Lincoln one's probably going to start at 70. Yeah it'll be an 8085 car.

Filippo (5:47)

You add enough carpet you make the windows and doors not removable. So you add additional sound bedding, double pane windows.

Doug (5:52)

But was it designed for that?

Filippo (5:54)

I mean it'll be a lot of extra weight. It'll be tough. I do kind of wonder if they'll actually just shorten like the Expedition chassis or the Navigator.

Doug (6:02)

I wouldn't let them though if they. If they were like we're going to do a Lincoln Bronco and then they came up with a Navigator based maybe it looks or like a whatever chassis

Filippo (6:09)

they use for the Aviator which is a car that might still exist.

Doug (6:12)

Well it's the remember the Explorer chassis

Nick (6:14)

which is rear wheel drive.

Doug (6:15)

It's actually a pretty good chassis.

Filippo (6:16)

They could just use that but it

Doug (6:18)

won't have any off road credit.

Filippo (6:18)

But then you add some tech, you

Nick (6:20)

know, I, I think they can speed this out. I mean, and also some, some, some

Doug (6:23)

light strips on the interior, some ambient

Filippo (6:25)

light, you make it look a little off roady. You add a crawl control, you're done.

Nick (6:30)

Benchmark this to the Yukon Denali, not to the G Wagon. So they, they're able to take a Yukon. Kind of a boring.

Filippo (6:35)

They'd argue they already have a component Navigator.

Nick (6:37)

I agree. But this is the Bronco equivalent, like a Denali trim level.

Doug (6:41)

The Denali is the luxury trim. You're talking about the Yukon at 4.

Nick (6:44)

No, I'm saying this is like a denalified version of the Bronco.

Doug (6:47)

Okay.

Nick (6:48)

They will put nicer springs in it. They'll put some sound deadening in it.

Doug (6:50)

They're not trying to make a true luxury vehicle.

Nick (6:53)

It's not a complete new vehicle. It's a nicer trim level of an existing vehicle.

Filippo (6:56)

That's fair.

Doug (6:56)

Yeah. Yeah, maybe so.

Nick (6:58)

I don't know.

Doug (6:58)

To sell it under a Lincoln brand, they probably have certain things they want from it. I'm very curious to see how it all shakes down.

Filippo (7:04)

Lincoln dealers will be thrilled.

Doug (7:05)

They will be thrilled.

Nick (7:06)

Yeah.

Doug (7:06)

Although to your point about the Blackwood, like, that was an idea. Like, oh, there's so many people loving that one great idea. Let's do a Lincoln. Well, it turns out that the people who want pickup trucks don't want a luxury brand name. However, we already know from the G Wagon and others that they are willing to do that for SUVs.

Nick (7:21)

You know what he's doing right now? He's backpedaling because he gave Lincoln the idea. Now if it flops, he doesn't want to be blamed for it.

Doug (7:27)

I don't want to be blamed. For God's sake. And I gave him the Xterra idea. And by the way, we're now going to move on to a segment called Doug Predicts where I predict the future. Doug predicts that Ferrari comes out with a manual transmission. That's the next one I've been predicting. This and the manual Ferrari.

Filippo (7:46)

You're going to double down on this.

Doug (7:48)

Yeah.

Filippo (7:48)

You're going to stake your record on this?

Doug (7:50)

No, but like, come on, this is. How can they not? I got another prediction coming in about two news stories. By the way, we can move on

Filippo (7:57)

to the next one.

Doug (7:58)

This is all speculative.

Nick (7:59)

Yes. Lamborghini and my boy Stefan Winkelmann announced that they will no longer be targeting the. You can pronounce this better. Lanzentador Electric Zador and the funny part is they say, you know, instead of saying like, Lamborghini would just, there's no demand for a luxury ev, he said, it does not have the specific emotional connection that we want with our customers.

Doug (8:21)

It is interesting, Ferrari sitting here developing this Apple iPad, electric station wagon and Lambo's like, nope.

Nick (8:28)

Isn't that a boss move to wait like one week after it drops with a more beautiful car and be like, good luck.

Doug (8:34)

This car is really cool looking. I wish there was a gas version of this. It's, I think it's like pretty neat looking. But yeah, I don't want an EV Lambo, so.

Nick (8:42)

But. And yeah, I think, I think this is a smart move for them both from a branding perspective of just like, yeah, like being like, we're not like Ferrari. Like, you feel really stupid in Marinello right now.

Doug (8:52)

Yeah.

Nick (8:53)

But also, like, it probably wouldn't have done that well.

Doug (8:54)

And those people have seen what that looks like. And so they're sitting here looking at their electric hatchback and Lambo's out like, we ain't gonna do this.

Nick (9:02)

Plus there's a plug in version of the Urus. Like, do we need the full ev?

Doug (9:06)

When I was a kid, a child, a wee lad, Ferrari was the company for connoisseurs and Lamborghini was the company for, yeah, poser idiots. And we've seen some changes to that. Lamborghini is still the company for poser idiots, but now so is Ferrari. Right, Right. But with this you start to wonder if like the enthusiast is maybe more the Lamborghini buyer.

Filippo (9:29)

Sounds like somebody that bought a Lamborghini.

Doug (9:32)

Well, maybe. Am I wrong though? Like, really, like, you think about Ferrari and all the people who are buying them and the, and the colors and the options and the stupid crap that they're doing. And Lambo's doing it too, to an extent. But I just feel like there's a little bit more credibility to a degree in modern Lambos.

Nick (9:46)

And you got the V12 staying in the Vivoto. Like, their design language has been great. Like, they're, they're making some smart moves.

Filippo (9:52)

They're more genuinely them.

Doug (9:54)

Yeah, right. We just need a lamu comeback.

Nick (9:56)

What's great too is they can always change their mind. Like they got the free press out of this just to be like, sorry,

Doug (10:02)

Ferrari, you know that someday they're gonna.

Nick (10:04)

Right.

Doug (10:04)

But like saying now, hey, we're not doing this. That's real. And there's a, there's a, some cost fallacy that if you're an automaker is Sometimes hard to ignore. Like, Ferrari shouldn't do it. Like, if you look at all the other EV supercars, they've all failed. They're all disasters. Ferrari shouldn't. But they've gone this far. A real company like Stellantis, who canceled whatever they were, remember, they had all sorts of vehicles.

Filippo (10:24)

They canceled everything.

Doug (10:25)

Canceled them all.

Filippo (10:26)

That's a real fucking hybrid that was actively for sale.

Doug (10:29)

Lambo's doing this, too. Ferrari has a son. There's a sun called oh, we can make it work for Ferrari.

Filippo (10:34)

To be fair, that is one of the benefits that Lambo has. Right? They're owned by Audi and the Volkswagen Group. They, they, that development is all commingled with Porsche and Audis etc, so they can get away with saying, we don't want to use that platform and that work because they haven't invested all of their R and D budget for the last year.

Doug (10:49)

That's true.

Filippo (10:49)

Also, Ferrari, they are doing it alone, fundamentally.

Doug (10:53)

I mean, they have more money than God. Ferrari has more money than literally God. God comes to Franklin.

Filippo (10:58)

Well, that's why they're going to keep going, because they have more money than God. But Lamo has the ability to say,

Doug (11:03)

no, we're going to. Reputation is everything to Ferrari. The whole company trades on reduction.

Filippo (11:07)

Your argument would be that they've always been the people moving the market forward and developing facts, and this is going to be what's next.

Doug (11:13)

And so in the world of electric hatchbacks, Ferrari will be the class leader.

Filippo (11:17)

Them and the Ioniq 5N.

Doug (11:19)

Yes. Okay, that's a good news story. Here's another one. Nick, do you want to say it? And I'll say, I'll give you my future prediction.

Nick (11:26)

Well, last week you all Talked about the RS5 Avant, how exciting it is and how it's definitely coming to the

Filippo (11:32)

US we didn't have any information about it.

Nick (11:33)

Rather than the fact that there's a little asterisk there that's bigger than the exhaust tips of the.

Filippo (11:38)

Which is giant.

Nick (11:39)

Which are giant. Yes. It's wild that it might not be coming to the United States after all.

Filippo (11:42)

I will say this. I did a deep dive on this. So this is all coming from one YouTuber who's very well liked and known in the Audi community, who apparently spoke to somebody at Audi and they told him, no, we don't have a plan to bring it to the U.S. nobody else has independently confirmed this. Audi has not spoken to anybody else and said this. I'm gonna tell you right now.

Doug (12:01)

Here's Doug's prediction. It's coming to the US yeah, that's that. Audi created demand for this RS6 after years of being like, no, nobody wants it. Well guess what, we do want it. And by the way, we don't want your sedan. And they don't even make an RS6 sedan anymore. That's how much people don't want it. And in fact the RS6 forced BMW to come with the M5. I was at a BMW event three years ago where they launched the XM Total disaster. And they admitted to me openly that they had, they made the mistake and wish they had brought the M3 wagon, but the decision had been made late enough that they hadn't seen how the RS6 had done, et cetera, and they wished the M3 wagon had come. This is going to come to the States. It just is. And if it isn't, then it's just another example in so many of our examples of Audi not understanding its customers, its brand position, all this stuff. But you got to assume it's coming to the U.S. it just is. Audi created the segment for the RS6.

Filippo (12:53)

Yep.

Doug (12:53)

You sent in an email.

Filippo (12:54)

No, I'm trying to. I want to reference the YouTuber correctly who had that break and I miss who it is. Couple of things about it because we didn't have any facts last week. The RS5, 2.9 liter V6, plug in hybrid, quite heavy, 630 horse. Yep. Real power, real performance, relatively heavy as they all are. Cuz it have the battery pack.

Doug (13:16)

What's the weight?

Filippo (13:17)

5,400 pounds. Some of that.

Doug (13:19)

That's not that bad.

Nick (13:19)

Yeah,

Doug (13:22)

not good.

Filippo (13:22)

Yeah. I one thing that's interesting that that same YouTuber pointed out in their video, the RS4 is dead. The RS4 which has this heritage that especially in the community, you want them to be five, you want to be six, you want to be seven, RS4, they're all very desirable instead.

Nick (13:36)

Yeah.

Doug (13:36)

Although originally it was called the RS2. Like ultimately time moves on and life soldiers on and nevertheless this is the way life works. You know what I'm saying? Things die, things bloom again.

Filippo (13:46)

Is that a smart move?

Nick (13:49)

I could see an RS3 Sportback coming eventually. I mean, or I guess it already exists.

Doug (13:54)

Generally find that adding numbers gets people to buy the cars. Like oh I got like your lease comes up and you can get out of an A4 and get into an A5. Mentally there's a big deal.

Nick (14:03)

I'm serious.

Doug (14:04)

But that's why they call it the S550 instead of the S500.

Filippo (14:07)

But is that true when like the. The RS4 has heritage. Does it?

Nick (14:12)

Yeah, it does. But Audi's nomenclature is all weird and they keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger. Like if you want a B7 RS4 size car, you get the RS3. Now, the other week I was asked to leave Warby Parker. Not by an employee, they were great. But by my wife. You see, we were in there trying on different frames, different looks, and she looked so good that I could not help myself but compliment her on how attractive she was. And that got to be a little too much for the lady and she said I needed to go. I bought these sunglasses and left her alone. But let me just say we are both big fans of Warby Parker. They completely changed the experience from being a chore to get glasses to making it super easy. Best of all, they have a virtual try on, which is kind of insane. You use your phone, you point it at your face and you can try the frames on in real time. Not the janky kind either. You can tell how they'll look and feel. Producer Sean also has a pair and he looks awesome. Even with that big head and the bad color G wagon. You got clean frames, great colors, premium feel. And we keep getting complimented wherever we go. Prescription glasses start at 95 bucks. They've got contacts, eye exams, sunglasses, all in one place. Plus with over 300 retail stores, if you ever want to go in person and for every pair they sell, they give a pair to someone in need, which is awesome. Warby Parker gives you quality and better looking prescription eyewear at a fraction of the going price. Our listeners get 15% off. Man, where was this like two weeks ago? 15% off plus free shipping. When you buy two or more pairs of prescription glasses at warbyparker.com cars that's 15% off. When you buy two pairs at dot com cars after you purchase, they'll ask where you heard about them. Please support this car pod and tell them we sent you.

Doug (16:00)

I will say this. Audi. I love Audi dearly. Audi. I should send an email over to Audi's PR guy, who I love. He's one of my top five favorite PR guys.

Filippo (16:07)

Wow.

Doug (16:08)

People. PR people.

Filippo (16:09)

Let's go through it. Let's go through the list.

Doug (16:13)

I really do love him, partially because he tells me the truth. You know, I was thinking about this the other day. The difference between a PR person I love and a PR person, that's fine. I love the ones that tell me the truth. Hey, this car sucks. But the next one will be good. And some PR people Actually say things like that. And it's lovely. But the Audi. If Audi doesn't bring this and does bring the Q, did bring the Q4 and the Q4, which is the worst car on sale, by the way. If you're thinking about buying a Q4, don't. It's horrible. You're making a mistake.

Filippo (16:42)

Don't Forget about the Q4 Sportback.

Doug (16:43)

The Q4 Sportback is actually the worst car on sale. Are those still on sale?

Filippo (16:46)

I think they're maybe gone. The new Q5 is out. The new Q6 is out.

Doug (16:51)

New Q5 is great. Q6 is great too, actually. This is coming.

Filippo (16:54)

Are you aware that there's the Audi A5. You reviewed it?

Doug (16:58)

Yep.

Filippo (16:58)

There's the Audi A6, which you've maybe reviewed. E tron. There's an Audi A6. E tron. There's now an Audi A6. Gas.

Doug (17:03)

Yeah.

Filippo (17:04)

Which should not have been possible.

Doug (17:05)

That is.

Filippo (17:06)

Looks different. Entirely different from the E6.

Doug (17:08)

From the electric one. Yeah. Audi's. There's a. It's a little bit of a. Yeah.

Filippo (17:12)

The wheelchair looks phenomenal. I think the rear end with the gigantic dual exhausts, one on each side and is a bit much for me.

Doug (17:20)

It is a bit much. But this is the way direct styling is going. You know, I remember when Porsches were subtle and the GT3 RS, like, even Porsche has gone into this. Like, we have to show off and look ridiculous and all that. So we can't have, unfortunately, the C5 RS6 that we love so dearly. Those days are over. You can't just have, like subtle changes.

Filippo (17:35)

That's a lot.

Doug (17:36)

You gotta have a big vent, you gotta have big exhaust. It's the way of the world. It's still. It is still less showy than its Mercedes, Benz and BMW competitors. And by the way, if they don't

Filippo (17:47)

bring it here, have you seen the rear end?

Doug (17:48)

Have you seen an M3? Have you seen the front end? Front end.

Filippo (17:51)

I mean, fair.

Doug (17:53)

If they don't bring it here, I think their reasoning is that no one's ever really tried or succeeded with a wagon this size before. It's all been the bigger ones. But I would argue that Audi has created the demand with the RS6. Mercedes was selling the E63 wagon at a trickle for a long time. RS6 showed up. It is vastly more popular than. I think it might even be more popular than the allroad version.

Filippo (18:12)

Oh, certainly.

Doug (18:13)

I certainly see them about one to one. And then M5 had to come. And Audi can create their own demand. They have customers interested in this stuff. And I'm going to say it right here on this podcast. If Audi brings this car to the United States, Nick will buy one new. Nick will buy one new. If Audi brings it to the United States.

Nick (18:29)

That is a bold prediction. All right, I'm not predicting.

Doug (18:32)

I'm saying you've now committed to this.

Nick (18:33)

Well, you committed for me. Yep. If there's the right financing deal, perhaps.

Doug (18:39)

What's that deal?

Nick (18:44)

I don't know. What, like a least cost? All right. Yeah. 500amonth. 500amonth?

Filippo (18:51)

It's not fair.

Doug (18:52)

A3 base,

Filippo (18:55)

you could get there with like a 100 month loan.

Nick (18:58)

I'll do one of the like Ed Bullion one time, pay, lease, buyout things.

Doug (19:01)

Okay. That doesn't.

Filippo (19:02)

It's not going to be more than $500.

Nick (19:03)

Yeah, I imagine there would be a wait list for this. There wouldn't be deals. Yeah, people would be excited for it very much. It might even be the most enthusiast oriented Audi on sale when it comes out with the RA gone. Absolutely.

Filippo (19:15)

It.

Nick (19:15)

Absolutely.

Doug (19:15)

I truly believe this will come to the States. I truly, truly believe that. And if they don't, it's just the Q4. The Q4 and not this. It's embarrassing, but I'll get angry about it when we find out if it actually isn't coming.

Filippo (19:27)

Auditography, by the way, the YouTube channel.

Nick (19:29)

Yeah, I follow him.

Doug (19:30)

Next news story, please. Oh, yes. Suzuki. Jimny. Yeah.

Filippo (19:33)

Okay, this is a rendering, I guess of. Although we have spy shots too of the baby G Wagon. For a long time Mercedes said it was going to be electric only.

Doug (19:42)

Yeah.

Filippo (19:42)

It would of course be the baby G wagon with EQ technology.

Doug (19:45)

EQ technology.

Filippo (19:47)

We now know that there will also be a plug in hybrid or a hybrid of some sort in addition to the EV version.

Doug (19:52)

There'll be gasoline.

Filippo (19:53)

There'll be gasoline.

Doug (19:55)

You know what I'm worried about with this baby G Wagon? Say you're driving around in your real G wagon. Aren't you a little worried that Sean, Are you worried this is going to make us feel. Yep. He's saying. Yeah. Even him with his old rusty, bad color G Wagon, he's worried that it's going to make him seem less legit.

Nick (20:11)

I heard the rust is spreading.

Doug (20:13)

It's. It is, yeah. Are you, when you, when you a full size Range Rover, man.

Nick (20:19)

Yeah.

Doug (20:19)

When you see a sport, do you think to yourself, oh, this loser?

Nick (20:23)

Yeah. No, it's, it's. Not only do I not want to be associated with them, but it's it's like they're just of a different planet.

Doug (20:29)

Different. You have a valuable full size Range Rover that that was given to you for free and only has six illuminated warning lights like the. The Sport people are nothing near them.

Nick (20:40)

Yeah, no trash.

Filippo (20:42)

It's like you when somebody pulls up next to you In a Mustang GT

Nick (20:45)

or the Bronco Sport in the Baby 4 GT.

Doug (20:48)

The Mustang GT though is baller. And this I think is going to be a weenie car if I'm honest. Do you think I'm wrong?

Filippo (20:56)

I said nothing.

Doug (20:57)

It's going to be. It's going to be a baby G Wagon plug in hybrid or maybe a

Filippo (21:01)

regular hybrid, I guess we don't know for sure.

Doug (21:02)

Or electric matter. The G Wagon Prius. People are going to see these and laugh at them. Just like people have been laughing at the baby versions of real cars since the dawn of time.

Filippo (21:11)

I don't know. The range Ever Sport sells well and looks pretty decent.

Doug (21:13)

No, the Range Sport is a great car. That's not really what I mean.

Filippo (21:15)

But like Boxster Cayman, the Disco Sport.

Doug (21:17)

Different Boxster Cayman, which I love dearly after 30 years, still has the stigma and they now make an RS version. It still has the stigma of being not the Full.

Nick (21:28)

And this isn't the Disco Sport. This is the Freelander equivalent. Like this is.

Filippo (21:32)

Look at you so far sharing your modern car knowledge.

Doug (21:35)

We're hanging out someone's similar craft Freelander the other day, Nick yellow convertible with like no miles on Marketplace.

Filippo (21:41)

We didn't buy it.

Doug (21:41)

It was somewhere on the other side of the country and they sent it to me and they were like, if you bought this, you would rule Nantucket in the summer. And I was like, you absolutely would not. And I don't think you'd make it there. I saw one on the road the other day here in North Park.

Filippo (21:53)

What?

Doug (21:53)

Yeah, they're around a convertible. Send me these photos. It was too far away. I couldn't get a picture. It was up the street and I had to turn.

Nick (21:59)

I sent you that two door Evoque over the weekend, Coop. Like chasing this lady down as she was going to her boutique in Del Mar.

Doug (22:06)

Well, that's going to be our situation with the G Wagon. No, I have a suspicion this is going to sell in crazy numbers. I'm just disappointed by it. A real G Wagon is made in Austria, Sean. Yeah.

Nick (22:15)

Too many people buy the G Wagons that never use them and think that they are too big and brutish. If you are finishing your senior year at a sorority in the down south and you need, you got your first job in pr. Like this is going to be the ultimate vehicle.

Doug (22:29)

When I started school at Emory, which was in 2006, there were two Freelanders in the sorority.

Nick (22:34)

Yep, yep, yep.

Filippo (22:35)

Nice.

Doug (22:37)

I agree. Look, from, from a business point of view, it's going to be awesome. You got to do it for Mercedes Benz is going to be awesome. I do wonder, every time you water down something, it does potentially have an effect on the big thing Maserati showed us. It can really screw things up. Like no one thinks Maserati is legit anymore, right? No one legit.

Nick (22:54)

Let's just say this is a good alternative to the Q4 Sportback. I mean moving the market up.

Doug (22:59)

You know what the best alternative the Q4 Sportback is? Walking. Called it the city bus.

Filippo (23:07)

All right, let's move on.

Doug (23:08)

Anything used, whatever this is, whatever this is,

Filippo (23:14)

I said I'm sorry. There was additional confirmation out of Mazda's European division that the next Miata, the, the ME Miata, first of all is there's like there are prototypes of it. They're actually working on it. It will be electrified in some way. It will not be ev, but. But there will be an electric component

Nick (23:32)

like a 12 volt battery.

Filippo (23:34)

Yeah. Something up?

Doug (23:34)

No.

Filippo (23:35)

Like a plug in hybrid or a hybrid.

Doug (23:37)

They also said in the same thing that they would remain true to their roots. I am curious, having driven the Temerario. I'm sorry, the John Temerion, and having now looked at this RS5 Avant, which is 1200 pounds heavier than the previous RS4 Avant, and having driven the M5 and all that, how is it possible that you stay true to your roots and go and go hyper.

Filippo (23:57)

The answer is a really small battery pack.

Doug (23:59)

Yeah, maybe. But like I'm looking at all these cars like the relative weight increase is still going to be significant considering what the Miata is. You know what I mean?

Filippo (24:07)

Yeah, fair. But it can still be the lightest car around.

Nick (24:10)

Yeah.

Filippo (24:10)

And there are some evs that are sold in Europe and other markets that are legitimately just very low range evs.

Doug (24:15)

Yeah.

Filippo (24:15)

And those are pretty light.

Doug (24:16)

Maybe. Yeah. It's not going to be a low rate.

Filippo (24:19)

No, no, no. It will be a hybrid of some kind.

Doug (24:21)

But you're saying correctly, it can be small batteries.

Filippo (24:23)

Yeah. There were some note, you could imagine they're going like a Porsche direction where there are hybrid 911s.

Doug (24:29)

Yeah.

Filippo (24:30)

They don't add that much weight.

Doug (24:31)

Are you crazy? The 992 GTS, the new 992 GTS weighs 12,400 pounds.

Filippo (24:40)

What is it actually?

Doug (24:44)

Sorry, it's 11,680 pounds. Yeah, you know, it is 3,600 pounds and it's only 110 pounds heavier than the previous model.

Filippo (24:53)

But what was interesting about what the Mazda Europe person said is they could. They look forward to. Basically, they look forward to driving with no sound at all. So I don't think that's doable because, like, the engine always runs in that. Just the hybrid is porting it. So there will have to be a true hybrid component.

Doug (25:10)

But it can be light. Ish. The good news with Miata is there's not like this beloved sound that enthusiasts have to hear like in some of these cars. The bad news with Miata is that weight has always been its big thing. And I keep driving these, these cars with the weight and they're all awesome, like Temerario. Despite what the comments saying. Oh, the V10, it's no V10. It sucks. I totally disagree. It drove great. It is heavy, it feels heavy, it drives heavy, it looks big. And the whole story with Miata is that it's not like that.

Filippo (25:36)

I also worry a little bit about manual transmission, which I think they have to do. Yeah, Honda has done it. There have been Honda hybrids that have a manual. Did you know that? The only one.

Nick (25:45)

No, I did not.

Doug (25:46)

The original Insight and the Civic, the original Civic Hybrid and the CRZ all had manual transmissions.

Nick (25:53)

Huh.

Filippo (25:53)

So it's doable.

Nick (25:55)

Have they done it since or.

Doug (25:56)

No, no, but the CRZ was sold through like 15. It's not. It hasn't been that long ago.

Filippo (26:00)

So we'll. We'll see.

Doug (26:01)

I worry about that too. I. We might be in the heyday of the Miata with the nd.

Filippo (26:07)

I know.

Doug (26:07)

Like, I don't think that about the Temerario. Like, I think that is. We're still making great Lambos, the Revuelto, but those car companies can add hybrid power and get away with the additional weight. With suspension technology and power and all this stuff, the Miata, it's going to be a lot harder to do. Well, I'm very curious. I hope that for the Miata people's sake, I honestly hope the ND generation continues on for quite a bit longer because I have a suspicion there's dark clouds ahead.

Filippo (26:33)

I also do think that they're basically saying we have prototypes of the ne, but there's a lot of work still to do. There will be an NDMIATA for a while yet to come. Yeah, it's been a Long run. It came out in 2014. 2014. So we're already 1112 years ahead. And there'll be more.

Doug (26:49)

I'm excited for the nj, the New Jersey Miata.

Filippo (26:52)

Do you want to say anything about it?

Doug (26:54)

Do you want to say anything about it?

Nick (26:56)

No.

Doug (26:57)

Okay. Plead the fifth.

Nick (26:59)

All right.

Filippo (26:59)

Miata.

Doug (27:00)

Okay, what else we got?

Filippo (27:01)

Oh, apparently it's over. BMW is not going to make new manual transmissions. That's not to say that the cars are going away yet.

Doug (27:10)

The dog predict the future segment should get on this too because I've been saying for so long that people should shut up about how the M3 and the M2 look because it's the last time you're going to get a straight six manual rear wheel drive BMW.

Filippo (27:21)

And guess what I will say what they've said is that they it's very unlikely that they will develop like a new transmission, like a full new transmission unit. Their argument is there's not enough demand. They can't find a supplier to build it with the amount of demand that there would be for the new transmission. Which is fair because it's a niche take. Right. And also as a part of that the current manual transmission can only to BMW specifications handle 405 pound feet of torque. So no car, they won't offer it. In theory in cars that make more than 405 pound feet of torque the

Doug (27:54)

current M3 makes up to 480 pound feet of torque. Oh but that's the auto version. It's the. The manual is the base one. That's for 406 folks. I'm going to tell you, I'm going to give you a top tip. If you want to have a very valuable car someday. You go pick up a new M3 stick in one of those weird colors, you bring it home and you never once drive it. And in 30 years that car will be worth about 15% of what you could have made in an index fund.

Filippo (28:21)

And you're right. I'm Sorry, it is 400 sex M3. The M2CS is also 406. 400 segments.

Doug (28:27)

That's all it can take. Don't tune your BMWs folks. The transmissions could only take 406 lb feet, not a penny more.

Filippo (28:34)

Obviously that's to BMW's own desires for reliability etc.

Doug (28:37)

But yeah.

Nick (28:37)

Which are known to be very stringent.

Filippo (28:40)

Do you hear BMW transmissions?

Doug (28:41)

The fact that their trans goes up to the exact amount of like oh boy, I hope we didn't get one that's tuned a little more for the factory the trans will blow.

Filippo (28:49)

Yeah, that's probably it.

Doug (28:51)

I'm not surprised to hear this. The manual transmission is dying. It is whimpering.

Filippo (28:55)

Yeah, it is.

Doug (28:56)

It is. It is casting its last breath. Which is why the Ford GT remains brilliant.

Filippo (29:01)

It's the greatest car ever made.

Doug (29:03)

Really? No. What do you think is the greatest car?

Filippo (29:05)

I don't know. I don't have an answer.

Doug (29:07)

Honda accord, you think? 05 Accord, Hybrid.

Filippo (29:10)

There's always improvements.

Doug (29:11)

Oh, wow.

Filippo (29:12)

To the 05 Accord Hybrid.

Doug (29:13)

CarPlay. Carplay.

Nick (29:14)

Yeah.

Doug (29:15)

Well, this isn't surprising. Nick, your thoughts on the death of the manual transmission BMWs.

Nick (29:19)

I mean, very predictable to use your nomenclature there. I mean, we saw this coming. It's weird. This whole segment we've been EVs are going away, then another car is getting EV'd and then the manual transmission's going away, then the Ferrari should come up with the manual. Everything's all over.

Doug (29:34)

There's a weird state of flux in the industry right now and it's, I think it's hard for the automakers to see what's going to happen. I do think that of all the manual transmission brands out there who are still doing it, which is like Porsche, Subaru, Mazda, BMW. BMW is probably the least the one that needs it the least. They could sell these M3s with automatics.

Filippo (29:51)

They do every competition, which most of

Doug (29:54)

them fundamentally, they sell a ton of them and I think they would do just as well if it was auto. Only the C8 Corvette proved that.

Filippo (30:00)

Yeah.

Doug (30:00)

And many other cars. That's an interesting C8 Corvette.

Filippo (30:05)

Yeah. Good car. It's interesting, right? Like it feels like EVs have pushed every automaker to innovate on power and speed, including for their automatic gas powered cars where like the race is one of how much horsepower can we put in this car? Can we cross 700? Can we cross 800? Can we cross a thousand? If you're Lamborghini, like, that's the race. And it's not a surprise that without a lot of development work the manuals can't support that.

Doug (30:30)

Yeah. And there's a new generation of people coming up who aren't as attractive.

Filippo (30:33)

Manuals, they want the sensation of speed.

Doug (30:36)

They want the sensation of speed.

Filippo (30:37)

That's what they're using at that point.

Doug (30:38)

That's why at some point you got to ditch the 4 GT. You got to be like, I'm out. You got to sell it at the absolute market. You got to go to the new

Filippo (30:44)

Ford gt which will be at the

Nick (30:45)

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Doug (32:06)

I got a little Corvette ZR1X trivia for you.

Nick (32:08)

Yeah, I want to hear.

Doug (32:09)

I got the ZR1X over at my house there can't say anything about it. It's under embargo. Oh no, wait. The embargo was like the moment this pod really. It's great everybody. No. Okay, so what is embargo? Actually, I think it's Friday. It's not when we love.

Filippo (32:23)

We lost a little bit too early.

Doug (32:24)

Okay, here's something for you. The ZR 1x06 in 1.67 seconds 1250 horsepower, 8.67 quarter mile. The fastest thing in the world. Take a guess what the visual distinction is from the regular ZR1.

Filippo (32:39)

I've seen the car.

Nick (32:40)

Yeah, same. I know.

Doug (32:42)

Okay, what is it?

Nick (32:42)

Big wing.

Doug (32:44)

Okay, that's his. What do you think it is?

Filippo (32:45)

I think that the the front trunk, hood, whatever has slightly deeper like airflow.

Doug (32:52)

Do you think only the front trunk is the only distinction between the ZR1 and the craziest thing ever?

Filippo (32:56)

Kind of.

Doug (32:58)

The correct answer is the badge. Exactly.

Filippo (33:01)

The wing is the same as the. That's a big wing with ztk.

Doug (33:05)

Otherwise literally identical on the outside. Isn't that hilarious?

Filippo (33:09)

What is Chevrolet doing?

Doug (33:10)

Well, because I think there's going to be an even Corvette or Corvette coming.

Filippo (33:13)

You can make the 01X a little bit.

Doug (33:15)

Visually, I was surprised, but I think they've got a pretty tight lineup of doing stuff here. And what else are they going to do? Much development. There's going to be a Zora. It's going to have 1500 horsepower and it's going to make people like you cry and people like you salute the flag.

Filippo (33:27)

ZR1X. It's X.

Doug (33:29)

It's 10.

Filippo (33:30)

It's a ZR110. Okay.

Doug (33:32)

I have a theory and it's not substantiated, but I think X stands for all wheel drive. Just like how X stands for all wheel drive in like stupid cars. I think that CR1X because that's what it is. It's an all wheel drive ZR1.

Filippo (33:43)

But it's not the E Ray X.

Doug (33:46)

No, it's not. But for ZR1 they wanted to keep the ZR1 name because it's really valuable. And so how do you. Because it's ZR1 but it's all wheel drive and it's cool. Put an X there at the end.

Filippo (33:56)

Would the luxury version be the ZR1Z? Like LTZ was the luxury LT.

Nick (34:02)

Right.

Doug (34:03)

Maybe.

Nick (34:05)

I was thinking the reason they don't, they don't distinguish it visually is because Corvette people love to explain to you why their car is special, but that's

Filippo (34:13)

only when it comes.

Nick (34:13)

And if you can't tell, then that gives them the opportunity to explain it.

Filippo (34:17)

That's only when it's not special. The 01X is.

Nick (34:19)

It doesn't matter if it's special or not. They want the opportunity. They want their placard to explain.

Doug (34:24)

That's so true. And by the way, when you pop the hood, there is a plaque under the hood that says 01X and it gives all the numbers.

Nick (34:30)

And so.

Doug (34:30)

And that's the other thing I love to do is pop their hood and have placards. Yes. Boom.

Filippo (34:35)

It is factually accurate. There's no other visual distinction.

Doug (34:37)

Literally the badge is the only distinct thing on the outside.

Nick (34:40)

Why?

Doug (34:41)

Well, Filippo, because there's going to be a zora. They don't have came out yesterday. It literally came out Yesterday. And now Zorr1x is coming out tomorrow. They are a bam bam bam shop, by the way. See I want to give a shout out to the C8 Corvette you got. The C8 Corvette is the greatest car.

Filippo (34:55)

So good.

Doug (34:56)

It is unbelievable. You know, it's came out six years ago. Six years ago. And it is still cool and it is still exciting and it is holding its value pretty well. And it is still fast. You're still into them.

Nick (35:07)

Yeah. No, it's true. As far as American car goes, this is hard to think of a parallel that's been that successful for that long.

Doug (35:15)

People still think it's cool like six years.

Nick (35:17)

And remember the Corvette for so many years when we were kids was plagued with a terrible reputation of a horrible interior like also ran kind of car. This is still an impressive car and no one says bad things about it.

Doug (35:29)

No one?

Filippo (35:29)

No. Everybody loves.

Doug (35:30)

Have you driven one?

Nick (35:31)

Yeah.

Doug (35:31)

You Want to drive 01X?

Nick (35:33)

I rented one on Turo. It was awesome. Yeah. Out of a lot of fun.

Doug (35:36)

It's fast.

Nick (35:37)

It's too fast.

Doug (35:38)

And I was in a pace. Yeah, I, I, I floored it today in the ZR1X. I can tell this now, the embargoes. I flew it today in the ZR1X on the freeway and it broke traction going from second to third. Full throttle at 75. And remember it's a four wheel drive car.

Filippo (35:53)

Yeah.

Doug (35:54)

I have it on video. It literally like I'm like oh. And then as it starts like getting through third it like gets traction back like wow.

Filippo (36:02)

1250 is a lot of power.

Doug (36:03)

It's a lot of power. You gotta roll on that throttle. I think.

Filippo (36:06)

What's torque?

Doug (36:07)

It's the same as the regular ZR1 830 because the electric motor produces torque at a different.

Filippo (36:11)

Got it. Peak.

Nick (36:12)

You know the college football athletes that get this. It's going to end some careers.

Doug (36:17)

Yes. Although I think this car is probably all wheel drive helps a little bit too expensive. Even for the college football nil athletes.

Filippo (36:24)

A regular Corvette with 500 horsepower will do it.

Doug (36:28)

No, it did and it has already. There was that guy in the played for the Raiders, remember Who killed that woman?

Filippo (36:33)

I will say we just sold a CA Corvette today that has 35,000 miles, three accidents. MSRP was 66 and it sold for 48,500. I mean there's three accidents and 33,000 miles.

Doug (36:45)

There is no Corvette in history that still has this level of enthusiasm and excitement and interest. And on the subject of this news story, they killed the manual and nobody really seemed to care. The fact that they switched to a mid engine and that it was so good and so exciting. Kind of was enough to do away with all.

Filippo (36:59)

You reviewed it in a Las Vegas strip mall parking lot.

Doug (37:02)

It was UNLV's campus. Yes, it was behind some dumpsters at UNLV's campus. We got 12 million views and Chevy has never not given me a press car ever again. All right, what do we got?

Nick (37:13)

All right.

Filippo (37:13)

ASIN is cutting 20 of their workforce. I will say this is my only tie into tariffs. The tariff situation changed. We're not going to talk about it. Let's go.

Nick (37:24)

Didn't they also say it was in part due to AI?

Filippo (37:26)

It's in part.

Nick (37:27)

I mean, which is whatever.

Filippo (37:28)

You're burning an insane amount of money and having huge debt obligations because they burn a sand amount of money every year for the last forever.

Doug (37:35)

Aston wants to blame tariffs. Totally fine. I personally would blame the product lineup, the dbx.

Filippo (37:41)

Also, the UK actually has very favorable tariff situation now, although for a period of time it's sort of favorable. And remember, no longer favorable actually. And there's a cap, but they're not hitting that.

Doug (37:51)

Yeah, but it's a. It's, it's for the whole uk. And Jaguar Land Rover hits it.

Filippo (37:55)

Well, Land Rover, they're complaining about tariffs. They're also complaining about the Chinese market being really soft for luxury cars, which

Doug (38:02)

it is if Aston would make good product. Here's what I want from Aston. All right, first off, off road, suv. Come on. Come on. It's like the Lincoln Bronco, which I predicted. You think I'm wrong?

Filippo (38:16)

A little bit.

Nick (38:17)

Yeah.

Doug (38:17)

The problem with Aston is that your line of thinking is. The problem is that it has this reputation and it has to keep the same reputation. It does not succeed making just beautiful British cars. It is not a successful thing.

Filippo (38:29)

Agreed.

Doug (38:30)

So you got to go. You got to think different. What is Aston Martin into in the 21st century? In 2028, making a G wagon.

Nick (38:38)

I don't.

Filippo (38:39)

Maybe that sells.

Doug (38:40)

Maybe that sells. If you've been to Dubai, all they do is drive around in luxury off road.

Filippo (38:45)

Interesting.

Doug (38:46)

I want them to go out the Middle East. Yeah, they got all that stuff.

Filippo (38:49)

Can I get a quick detour to share a little Middle east fact?

Doug (38:52)

Yeah.

Filippo (38:52)

All right. So lucid American company based in Arizona.

Doug (38:56)

None of that is true.

Filippo (38:58)

They do have a factory in Arizona and they, they're considered an American EV company.

Doug (39:01)

Okay.

Filippo (39:01)

They have the air and the gravity.

Doug (39:02)

Yeah.

Filippo (39:03)

They're going to start making a mid sized suv.

Doug (39:05)

Yeah.

Filippo (39:05)

They're not gonna. They're gonna first build it in the Middle east and out of their factory they have there because they're solely funded and owned by the Saudi investment fund.

Doug (39:12)

Yeah.

Filippo (39:12)

And then eventually they might bring it

Doug (39:14)

to the US they're gonna build an electric vehicle in the Middle East. That's right. I will never forget, I went to Dubai, I don't know, 10 years ago, actually. It was for the launch of the previous Corvette ZR1, if I recall. And I went to Dubai, and I rented a car there at the airport there. And it was a Land Cruiser. That's what you have to do. I didn't really have a choice. And they said to me, sir, you have to bring this back on full, and if you don't bring it back on full, we will charge you a penalty. And they showed me what the penalty was, and I calculated at my hotel room later, and it turned out the penalty price for fuel was $1.40. Was the penalty that I would have to pay for a gallon.

Nick (39:53)

Yeah.

Doug (39:53)

Was the penalty I would have to pay. But nonetheless, I filled it up anyway because fuel was 70 cents a gallon. Wow. And they're gonna make an electric SUV. Hopefully it doesn't look like their electric minivan.

Filippo (40:04)

Yep.

Doug (40:05)

On the subject of electric minivans,

Filippo (40:08)

hopefully for lucky.

Nick (40:10)

Yeah. We all thought, Chrysler's down to one model. It wasn't looking good. And they showed us wrong. They said, we got a facelift for you. All right, let's get redesign.

Filippo (40:18)

But no, no, it's okay. Sorry. If you see any other shots, it is not a facelift.

Doug (40:23)

I was thinking that it was wild to put R and D into this vehicle and not make it reliable. So maybe they're going to both facelift it and make it reliable.

Filippo (40:29)

I want to show you the rest. This is just the rest of it. After the. A pillar, actually. Maybe after.

Doug (40:36)

The grill is just the same.

Filippo (40:37)

It's just the same.

Doug (40:38)

I Googled this the other day because for some reason, I was just curious, like, how bad really is the reliability? It's so bad. There's so many threads on every social media site being like, my Pacifica hybrid stranded my family at Disneyland. Wild.

Filippo (40:52)

But it's so good. I drove Pacifica Hybrid to Phoenix and then to Northern Arizona, and then home carried a giant whatever they're called.

Doug (41:01)

China Cabin.

Filippo (41:01)

China Cabin.

Nick (41:02)

Thank you.

Doug (41:02)

Yeah. Home.

Filippo (41:03)

It did great. It got better gas mileage than my station wagon.

Doug (41:06)

I wish that it had this front end.

Filippo (41:08)

No.

Doug (41:09)

Yeah. It looks worse.

Nick (41:09)

It looks worse.

Filippo (41:10)

And they changed nothing else.

Nick (41:12)

It looks like an import, which is the weird. You know, I mean, it looks like a Hyundai or something.

Doug (41:16)

Yeah. We were over here. That's. That is kind of true. We were over here. We wanted to buy these things because they're American.

Filippo (41:21)

My favorite part is that these are pretty clearly like, they're. These are really high quality, like pictures of like that are supposed to be spy shots.

Nick (41:30)

Surely they're released by Chrysler.

Doug (41:32)

Here's an interesting factoid for you. You want to know interesting minivan factoid after the election where the Trump fellow won. I got all sorts of friends. I got a lot of lib friends. I got all sorts of lib friends. They reach out to me and said, I want to buy a family car, but I want to be built in America. And I said, well, and they want a minivan. Three different people reached out to me with this exact thing.

Filippo (41:50)

You have one option.

Doug (41:51)

And I said, well, there's a problem here because the American minivan is built in Canada and the non American minivans are built in America. And I think. I don't know if they have union. I said, you got to make a decision here. And you know what happened?

Filippo (42:03)

They all bought Siennas.

Doug (42:04)

They didn't buy minivans. All right, let's move on. We got to talk about cars.

Filippo (42:07)

No, there's one more.

Doug (42:08)

Oh, boy.

Nick (42:08)

Yes. Cybertruck. They announced that there will be a base model price reduction of 59.9something basically just under 60k. They removed some options. However, what they say anyways is that the reaction has been so favorable that they have to push out some delivery dates and then they're going to be increasing the price come March 1st, which means this reduced price was for nine days. Elon, that you could get it on the configurator for 59.99. It's only going up to like 6.61. But basically that teaser rate was for nine days to get some press before raising it to 61.

Filippo (42:41)

Elon tweeted it out and said it for a very limited time.

Nick (42:44)

And then he was indeed. I've had like shoes go on sale for. For longer periods of time than nine days.

Doug (42:50)

Such a mess. I love it. I actually love it. I love when successful companies are a mess because it proves that you can also be a mess.

Nick (42:57)

Right.

Filippo (42:58)

And by the way, you can just buy any Cybertruck for about $60,000.

Doug (43:01)

Oh yeah. I mean, use cybertrucks. You want to get a Cybertruck for 60 cars and bids will help you.

Nick (43:06)

What's great is if you buy the base model, no one can tell the difference.

Filippo (43:09)

Yeah, it is cloth interior, which looks

Nick (43:12)

nice, but on the road Everyone thinks you're the village idiot, regardless of whether you paid 59 or 140.

Doug (43:18)

We sell them on cars and bids and we love them.

Filippo (43:21)

Rarely. It's fine. Different wheels.

Doug (43:25)

I was, I was next to one today and I was thinking about how Phil Chong told us that people yell at him. That's good stuff. All right, we gotta move on to the talk. You don't wanna talk about frunks. Frunks.

Nick (43:37)

There's so much news, some hard hitting news here.

Doug (43:39)

This is a big news story and I wanna clarify something. I wanna stand up for my beloved brand Ford. Ford has made the front trunk in the Mustang Mach E an option. Although I bet you if you went and bought a Mach E right now, they'd throw it in for free.

Filippo (43:52)

How is this option working?

Doug (43:54)

I assume that if you don't get the front trunk option, then it just doesn't come with a liner and so there's just mechanical components there.

Nick (43:59)

Oh, sure.

Filippo (44:00)

No liner.

Doug (44:01)

And so it's 500 bucks.

Filippo (44:01)

Do you sell the latch? You sell the latch?

Doug (44:03)

Well, sure, because it's. Yeah, I mean, this is how all Toyota's. Toyota EVs do not have a front trunk. You have a latch, you open and it's mechanical stuff. And the reason for that is every single press launch I've gone to with an EV, the automakers told me the same thing. 94% of our customers tell me they don't use the front trunk.

Filippo (44:18)

They're missing out.

Doug (44:19)

The problem, I think, is regulatory. The front trunk is actually hard to access because there are regulatory. You have to get. There's a latch and then there's a secondary latch and you have to kind of go under there like a trunk in the back. You press a button, it pops open. Right.

Filippo (44:31)

The Rivian Frunk. You press a button, the key fob, it opens the cyber truck.

Doug (44:35)

For the, for the auto. Yeah, but there's. You press a button on the key fob, but then you still have to go there and do a little.

Filippo (44:39)

You don't.

Doug (44:40)

A little.

Filippo (44:40)

You don't.

Doug (44:41)

The Rivians. You don't.

Filippo (44:41)

Yes, you do not.

Nick (44:42)

I was in one over the weekend and they, they, my friends kept their baby stroller in the front trunk and he just did it through the key fob.

Doug (44:48)

You can do it through the key fob. You don't have to then walk to the car.

Filippo (44:51)

No, it just opens automatically.

Doug (44:52)

Well then maybe we're all missing out.

Filippo (44:54)

I do think that that requires some amount of like sensors etc to make sure the car's not Moving.

Nick (44:58)

Yeah.

Doug (44:59)

I mean the electric ones like the F150 light, that's great. But it's expensive. And I assume in a pickup truck it's a lot more commonly used because it's lockable space.

Nick (45:06)

Are they reducing the price I think taking the option out or are they

Doug (45:10)

just inflation Small price reduction. Yeah.

Nick (45:13)

Then fine.

Doug (45:13)

But. But also.

Nick (45:14)

Yeah, especially just charge me extra if I need the overhead space or what have you got? Bathroom Spirit airlines. Let's do that.

Filippo (45:21)

Yeah.

Nick (45:22)

I only need three wheels.

Doug (45:23)

Truly, 94% of people don't use the front trunk. Then it does make sense. Nobody ever uses their full cargo area except for hoarder cars you drive around. Nobody's using that whole thing.

Filippo (45:31)

My front.

Nick (45:32)

You know what? I honestly don't even use my trunk very often. I usually just throw stuff in the back seat.

Doug (45:36)

Canon would be so mad at you.

Nick (45:37)

I learned from Kenan. Kenan. Like it could be the smallest little item that could.

Doug (45:42)

Storage area is for storage under the

Filippo (45:44)

COVID so that it doesn't move around.

Nick (45:45)

It does make me feel kind of like civilized and fancy to use the trunk now of like I'm following the procedure.

Filippo (45:51)

P38 trunk stay up on its own.

Nick (45:53)

Yeah. Well, you have to reset the latch every time. Otherwise it doesn't close all the way and then it beeps at you. Yeah. You know, I'm all about finding value. Whether it's an E55 wagon with a check engine light, a Mercedes McLaren SLR roadster that had a teeny tiny trunk fire, or a free Range Rover P38 that I got from a follower. I'm all about finding a good deal. But let's talk about a different kind of asset. Acre Gold. Inflation's hitting harder than a V10 at Redline. And gas parts, even car washes are now through the roof. Acre gold lets you invest in real 24 karat gold bars for just a few bucks a day. It's like buying a classic car that never rusts and never breaks down. The value of gold is up 70% year over year, with experts predicting continued momentum. No finance degree needed, just pure shiny gold delivered straight to you. Subscriptions start at only 30 bucks a month. Go to getacregold.com and enter for free to win two 5 gram ancient collection gold bars, which ends tomorrow. 2:28. Protect your money and keep it golden. Getacregold.com that's getacregold.com now back to the car talk.

Doug (47:01)

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Nick (47:11)

All right.

Doug (47:11)

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Filippo (47:17)

Make sure you buy that ASAP.

Doug (47:19)

Yeah, someone will buy it and make like a spite site. Like I hate Nick Roshan. Oh, and Kenan's YouTube channel. Kenan had a video and to see David Lee. Have you watched that?

Filippo (47:29)

I've not yet.

Doug (47:30)

You gotta watch it. He went to see David Lee.

Nick (47:32)

Doesn't this make you want to start doing vlog style content? Get in on the phone?

Doug (47:36)

No. I was sitting there thinking while I was watching Kenan's video. I am so glad that when I go to car shows I don't have to vlog it. Okay, I want to talk about a bunch of things. I have several things to talk about. One was I really love the C8 Corvette, which I already worked into the news.

Filippo (47:48)

Yeah, we did well with that.

Nick (47:49)

Good job.

Doug (47:49)

Okay, I want to talk about breaking down on a car. The other day I broke down on a car. I'm not going to say which one, but it's here in the office. We're going to sell it on cars and bids. Good luck. No, we fixed it. But I broke down and what happened was I was driving up a hill, car broke down and I started to roll back down. And this became interesting to me because someone honked at me as if I was doing this for my enjoyment. Like, I have no power and I'm about to have no brakes and about to have no steering and I'm rolling down a hill with the car up and someone's honking at me like, you idiot. And I'm like. And the same thing happened. My countach broke down a couple of months ago when the distributor failed. I also broke down and it was in the left lane of the freeway and I had to quickly get over while I was losing power and people were honking at me. And it's like, do you not see what's happening here? This isn't like a guy who's having fun. And it suddenly hit me that people don't break down in cars anymore.

Filippo (48:44)

No.

Doug (48:45)

And so like there's probably 35 years ago in either of those situations, the person behind me would have gotten out and hey, what can I do? How can I help you? And instead now they get mad because people, the concept of breaking down has disappeared completely from like automobiles.

Nick (49:01)

Huh?

Filippo (49:02)

It really has. Yeah. I truly think back in the day

Doug (49:05)

with carbureted cars and five digit odometers and all this stuff you would. You would.

Filippo (49:09)

Cars lasted 30,000 miles if you were lucky.

Nick (49:12)

Yeah.

Doug (49:12)

And you knew how to deal. You know how to fix a car. You knew how to bump start. You knew how to.

Nick (49:16)

All this stuff that's so bizarre. I had never thought of that. And what's funny is we talk about it.

Filippo (49:20)

You break down a lot.

Nick (49:21)

Range anxiety and people worried about running out of juice in the EVs. That never really happens very often either.

Filippo (49:27)

No, it doesn't.

Nick (49:28)

Like, I don't see Tesla's like sitting on the side of the road with

Filippo (49:30)

a generator as often as people run out of gas. Nick.

Nick (49:33)

Well, you know what?

Doug (49:36)

But it happens. It is interesting to me that, like, the response. There used to be this like this thing where you'd. Your neighbor, you know, the Good Sam's, You'd. You'd pull over and help somebody out if they were broke. And now like, nobody knows how to fix a car. Nobody knows how to do anything. It's all computers. And the concept of like someone breaking down is so foreign to most people. It really is, like, fascinating.

Filippo (49:56)

No, I don't.

Doug (49:58)

When was the last time you broke down on the side of the road?

Filippo (50:00)

Me?

Doug (50:01)

It was last week.

Filippo (50:02)

I have never broken outside the road.

Doug (50:04)

Oh, is that true? Wow. You need it. You need.

Nick (50:06)

That's.

Doug (50:07)

You need a headache. Yeah.

Nick (50:11)

There's no way that doesn't have some issues.

Filippo (50:13)

Yeah, I'll break that.

Doug (50:14)

Yeah, sure.

Nick (50:15)

I'm sorry.

Doug (50:15)

I pumped for that. Oh, sorry.

Filippo (50:16)

That's not true. I had an X5 in North Carolina with stick and the brake lines broke while I was away from my home. So I have to drive home with. No, with using the handbrake as my brake. Which worked if you pulled enough.

Doug (50:28)

Yeah.

Filippo (50:30)

Yeah.

Doug (50:30)

What did you do then? You like, do a brake job to my.

Filippo (50:33)

Yeah. Then I drove it to the place to get a brake place. And then that car broke down a couple other times.

Nick (50:38)

But it was close to home.

Doug (50:39)

I can't Spectra, which you bought for a dollar and then drove to New Hampshire.

Filippo (50:42)

Never broke down.

Doug (50:42)

It never broke down until we ran over it with a Land Rover.

Filippo (50:46)

There was a slight issue where the battery leads would kind of disconnect a little bit and then it would shut

Doug (50:51)

off while you were driving.

Filippo (50:52)

Yeah. And that was a problem when it was on the 676 across Philadelphia during rush hour.

Doug (50:55)

But, you know that happened on the 676.

Filippo (50:57)

Yeah.

Doug (50:57)

And we were moving and then the car.

Filippo (51:00)

And then you stop and you hope nobody hits you.

Doug (51:02)

But it's Philly. And then you shake the Battery leads and you're good. The one place people are used to cars breaking down is Philly. Cars still break down in Philly. Okay, that's that, Nick.

Nick (51:13)

The multiply it is sold and it is on its way to the East Coast. The buyer paid. So you. You were wrong that someone would chicken out.

Doug (51:22)

Well, I thought they would chicken out at whatever crazy number you thought it was going to sell for. I knew it was going to sell for that. I still think it's high. Is the person super disappointed in it or have you not?

Nick (51:31)

He has not received it yet. So good.

Filippo (51:33)

But people love it. It's such a cool car.

Nick (51:35)

He owns a Kei car or actually two Kei cars. So he.

Filippo (51:38)

Oh, this is spacious.

Nick (51:39)

He's committed to that life, you know,

Filippo (51:42)

I love the Mozla so much.

Nick (51:43)

It is gone. I was immediately. At first I was mad at you because you trash talked the car right before the auction ended. But I did reflect on it more. So I paid $7,000 for it in Europe and then I paid a lot to ship it and get it here, but basically I paid 7 for it. I sold it for 10. I did great on the car. That is the math that I'm sticking with in my head.

Doug (52:06)

Let me ask you a question.

Filippo (52:07)

We lost money in the A2 too.

Doug (52:08)

Let me ask you a question. How much did you spend on power steering fluid both in the engine compartment and in bottles in the car?

Nick (52:17)

I don't really count fluids towards the tc.

Doug (52:19)

No fluids.

Nick (52:22)

Power steering fluid's pretty cheap.

Doug (52:24)

Yeah. But that car, anytime you would run, it would dump all of it, pretty much.

Nick (52:28)

It got great miles per gallon, so it kind of washes, keep topping up. I did tell the new owner, Anthony, I said I topped it up before it got on the truck.

Doug (52:37)

But why but you might want to

Filippo (52:39)

more below it on the truck.

Nick (52:41)

I don't know.

Filippo (52:42)

Oh, poor. That poor.

Doug (52:43)

Hopefully nothing.

Filippo (52:44)

That poor car. I spent a long time cleaning power steering fluid from mark floor.

Nick (52:48)

I. I apologize from what car was really bad?

Filippo (52:52)

The Audi A2. Sold.

Doug (52:53)

The A2 sold. The guy who bought the A2 also was the guy who had my A class and he even was the guy who had my A class when it got hit and destroyed. It was parked in front of his house when it got hit and destroyed, which obviously was a great day. Not for him, I guess. I don't know. He's got real cars and he's got these things and he texted me and he said the A2 has been great. It's so much better than the A class. And I'm like, that's a low bar.

Filippo (53:14)

No, but it is better.

Doug (53:15)

We agree.

Nick (53:15)

Yeah.

Filippo (53:16)

It's a way quieter. But, I mean, he and his family flew down from the bay and drove up.

Doug (53:21)

A lot of stuff's better than the A Class. Like a. An Elantra base.

Filippo (53:26)

Yep.

Doug (53:26)

A Hyundai i10.

Filippo (53:28)

No.

Doug (53:29)

Yeah.

Nick (53:30)

Q4 Sportback. No.

Doug (53:32)

Q4 Sportbank is worse than anything.

Filippo (53:34)

What I love is I've saw so many Instagram photos of the A2 from car shows in the bay and the first day he had it.

Nick (53:40)

Yeah.

Filippo (53:40)

And that's probably more content than the content we produce with the car that we bought.

Doug (53:44)

Yeah. Well, we got it here and. And one of the things we discovered when we got it here, and I'm only now disclosing this to the next owner, is that it sucks.

Filippo (53:53)

No, it's a. It's a good car of that type.

Doug (53:55)

Yeah. It is a good car of that type.

Filippo (53:57)

Yeah.

Nick (53:58)

The two things I learned. One, I want to emphasize again that I won. I sold it for the most money of the three cars. It was a hundred dollars more winnings. Winning.

Doug (54:07)

You know what?

Nick (54:07)

It could be by an inch or a mile.

Doug (54:08)

I think we're all winners because the cars are all gone. Although I noticed the Fiat is still over.

Filippo (54:12)

The buyers in Arizona, they have paid for it through cars and bits. Safepay. Just. They've been out of town and, like, had, like, a work trip, and so they're getting it picked up.

Doug (54:20)

Man. Imagine coming home from vacation to that car.

Filippo (54:22)

It's such a good car.

Doug (54:23)

It's so lovely.

Nick (54:25)

Great.

Filippo (54:25)

It's so lovely. And by the way, it sold for less than Simone the duck prediction.

Nick (54:30)

That also came true. You predicted that I would be off that car immediately and it would change how I looked at cars forever. And that is true. I am off of BS cars. That was not worth the effort nor money. No offense, Anthony. Enjoy it.

Filippo (54:45)

No, I love it. I love that.

Doug (54:46)

Well, Anthony didn't pay as much as you did.

Nick (54:48)

My new rule is I'm not considering anything less than eight cylinders and less than 400 horsepower. Yeah. Which I realize means no 911s. Other than, like, no. All of them are, I guess, a Cayenne. I could do the. But that's about it.

Filippo (55:02)

928.

Doug (55:03)

The thing is. 928. But I don't think those ever hit. 400 horsepower. No GTS with a little tune. The thing is. So this is it.

Nick (55:12)

You're just done? I'm done. I'm off course.

Doug (55:14)

Wow.

Filippo (55:14)

Wait, I'm sorry your P38 doesn't have 400 horsepower.

Doug (55:17)

This is big.

Nick (55:17)

It has eight cylinders. It can be either or.

Filippo (55:20)

Oh, okay. Got it.

Doug (55:21)

This is big. You're off cars.

Nick (55:23)

I'm off BS cars.

Doug (55:24)

Nick has.

Nick (55:24)

I only want serious cars that are like enjoyable to own. So if I lose money, at least I can say at least I enjoy the experience.

Doug (55:32)

I gotta tell you, it's interesting because once again, you discover something after I've already discovered it.

Nick (55:38)

Yeah, I know.

Doug (55:39)

I'm giving you this credit, Nick. Went through what I went through in 2013, 14 in my life where I bought a bunch of cars that I always wanted and realized that they weren't

Nick (55:47)

really all that great.

Doug (55:49)

You've got that out of your system and you lost money on most of and realized it's not worth losing money on Dumpster.

Nick (55:53)

Not making money. I went through all my YouTube channel. All the costs I incurred.

Doug (55:58)

Yeah.

Nick (55:58)

Not doing the ridiculous car guy math, but the actual cost.

Doug (56:01)

Yeah.

Nick (56:01)

Truth is, I only lost about $1400 all in if I count like the YouTube. Yeah.

Doug (56:06)

But the.

Nick (56:06)

Still not worth more. The time that I wasted on this.

Filippo (56:09)

Yeah.

Nick (56:09)

Like we spent months looking for.

Doug (56:11)

You dropped the Long Beach. It broke down a bunch of times.

Filippo (56:13)

Yeah.

Doug (56:13)

Yeah.

Nick (56:14)

Which I thought like, oh, this would be an adventure. Like, no. I was driving a 105 horsepower diesel all over California.

Doug (56:22)

Like, why it was cool for a minute.

Filippo (56:24)

I'm so embarrassed.

Doug (56:25)

I drove it one time and a guy in an E46 M3 gave me a thumbs up.

Filippo (56:27)

Nice.

Doug (56:28)

Yeah.

Nick (56:29)

It was nice to have Filippo's respect for a little while.

Doug (56:31)

Otherwise, there is something unfortunate that happens because we love the cheap stuff and we love the Facebook marketplace stuff. Although cars and biz is where you buy your. There is something that happens someday where you realize, like, I've got too much going on and I'm sick of dealing with dumb stuff. I want. If I'm going to do the car hobby, I want it to be cars that really count. I don't mind breaking down on my countach. If I had broken down on the A2, I would have cursed the whole world.

Filippo (56:57)

Yeah.

Doug (56:58)

It's just not worth it to me.

Nick (56:59)

The other thing that it's making me question is I was big on the. I want to hold cars as short as possible so that I can experience as many. It takes about six months to dial in a car.

Doug (57:08)

Yeah.

Nick (57:08)

And then you're letting it go.

Doug (57:09)

Yeah.

Nick (57:10)

If you can keep a car for like two years, like, that first six months is going to suck. While you get it dialed in.

Filippo (57:14)

Yeah.

Nick (57:15)

Then you're going to really enjoy it. So I need to find a car that I want to hold longer.

Doug (57:18)

So you're doing holds. Interesting.

Nick (57:20)

I'm not going to like hold them forever. We're not going to open a barn full of cars. But I don't think the multiplies have any space.

Doug (57:26)

Are you? Given that you're following my footsteps once

Nick (57:29)

again, Ford GT next.

Doug (57:32)

Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Countach. Ford GT. You want a 993 Twin Turbo? Let them think about selling.

Nick (57:37)

No, I'm good on that one. I want a Diablo, which would continue my tradition of getting the next generation after years.

Doug (57:44)

Right. I did own the Range Rover. That came after your Range Rover.

Nick (57:47)

But you had an RRC.

Doug (57:49)

I had an RRC for like six months. I owned a L322 for like nine years.

Nick (57:53)

I'll get a 405 later.

Doug (57:54)

But you won't.

Filippo (57:56)

You should.

Doug (57:57)

Okay.

Nick (57:57)

They're cheap.

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Doug (59:22)

I want to talk about. Filippo has some cars on here. I want to talk about the Mazda CX5 screen for sure. Do you see this?

Filippo (59:29)

Yeah, there's a screen. There's no more knob.

Doug (59:30)

I Posted my video, the CX5 and the comments are all. The screen ruined it. When is Mazda gonna learn buyers don't want the screen? Nobody wants the screen. The screen destroyed the whole car. Nobody wants a screen. The screen is. This is every comment. And I gotta tell you folks, here's what I've learned. People want the screen. You've been in a Tesla. All of these modern cars have screens. And no matter how much Internet people who buy used cars and are not the market for this family small crossover complain, screens are what people want in 2026. They're used to a screen on their phone, they're used to a screen on their iPad. They want screens. And Mazda had this horrible knob thing. The interface was a disaster. One of the comments that I took particular offense to some guy was like, Mazda buyers don't want screens. And it's like, maybe they don't, but Mazda wants to sell this car to more people than just Mazda. They're really hoping to get back some of that market share they've been losing for the last 15 years.

Filippo (60:28)

Also, every Mazda person complained bitterly about the fact that you needed to use that knob and that the screen would turn like you couldn't use a touchscreen.

Doug (60:35)

I agree that screens are not the best situation for everything, but you don't understand how many functions vehicles have. If you didn't have screens, there would be so many buttons, it'd be impossible. I think that there's a good medium of screen and non screen of like screen and climate controller screen and a few buttons. But most things should be integrated into a screen. And that, and I know that this is not going to go over well with our car enthusiast audience, but that is what actual consumer human beings want to purchase who are buying new cars with their own money. And that is the thing that automakers care about. And I just.

Filippo (61:07)

Too far though, is there climate control.

Doug (61:08)

I see the defrost in this particular car. They did take it a little too far. And the climate control. There are physical buttons for defrost and defog but for heat like heated seat is three steps. You gotta tap a thing, tap heated seat, then do a slider. It's a little too much, but it's not much too much. Like this is how it is most cars now you open the glove box with a screen. The glove box, Filippo. And then eventually 8 Corvette though, it's got a button.

Filippo (61:31)

Does it?

Doug (61:32)

Hell yeah. C8, man. If there was a stick C8, if that ZR1X that I just drove, that

Filippo (61:39)

would not be a good situation. 120050 horsepower is too many horsepower.

Doug (61:43)

No.

Nick (61:43)

Yeah. Manuals can't handle over 406. Only for BMW, to be fair.

Doug (61:48)

Anyway, I can't wait to get flamed in the comments for this take, but I'm gonna continue repeating it because the automakers are not trying to sell the cars to the used car enthusiast. Nameless, anonymous Internet commenters. They're trying to sell new cars to people who are used to using their cell phones.

Nick (62:04)

And no offense, they're not just nameless Internet commenters. They're YouTube commenters, which is a particular kind of Internet commenter that is not better than the general.

Doug (62:13)

I realize the YouTube commenter age Felipe is on his phone.

Filippo (62:16)

No, I'm prepping for that. You're what? Don't worry about it.

Doug (62:20)

I did realize the YouTube commenter age. There was some video a couple of months ago where I was like. And I wanted to have one of these, and I had it for six, seven years. And the six, seven thing. And like, all the comments, 6767. And I was like, oh, this is the age of YouTube commenters. This makes sense because I myself have never had the urge to comment on a YouTube video. So now I know who's doing it. 13 year old, the guy that was

Nick (62:41)

commenting that I hope your BECM module fails in your Range Rover, he then posted on Reddit saying, look, he's listening to me and I made him a point. And then all the people started coming in my next video saying, I hope your SOS module fails.

Doug (62:53)

And I'm just like.

Nick (62:54)

But that's the type of maturity you get from a YouTube thumbnail. Like, no R&D department at Mazda or any manufacturer should be using YouTube comments for their user research.

Doug (63:03)

Absolutely not. That's the CX5 screen situation. Felipe, you got anything else?

Filippo (63:07)

Yeah, I want to talk about the NSX that we sold alongside our friends at Coinbase. That sold for 80,567. The buyer, Harris, picked it up a couple weeks ago.

Doug (63:15)

Yeah.

Filippo (63:15)

And he just the other day sent me pictures of the rest of his cars.

Doug (63:18)

Are we gonna put them up?

Filippo (63:19)

We'll put them up.

Doug (63:20)

He's got a lot of cool stuff,

Filippo (63:21)

but I'll show you guys in the meantime.

Doug (63:22)

Oh, Evo 6, Raikkonen RX7Z31.

Nick (63:26)

Wow.

Filippo (63:26)

Yep.

Doug (63:27)

RX7.

Filippo (63:28)

That's in the back of it. There's a. There's a shark nose six here.

Doug (63:31)

Shark nose that a Viper up there.

Filippo (63:32)

There is a Viper.

Nick (63:35)

Hard to tell.

Filippo (63:37)

There's like a Gen 2 Viper There's a Gen 1 Viper. There's a lot of great stuff, isn't. No. They're all generally nice. So this is in very good hands. Good.

Nick (63:48)

It is nice when it goes. I honestly felt the multiplier going to a K car owner was like the

Doug (63:52)

right person so it also got on his phone here.

Filippo (63:54)

Yeah. But it basically it is joining. Incredible.

Doug (63:59)

The people who buy the cars are right for the cars.

Nick (64:02)

Yeah.

Doug (64:02)

Yeah. You know, like in the end they're enthusiasts and. And us are not right for the cars. The cars that we hold are the ones that we're right for.

Nick (64:09)

Right.

Doug (64:09)

The cars that we move on instantly.

Nick (64:10)

It's survivors bias.

Filippo (64:11)

Right?

Nick (64:12)

Survivorship bias.

Doug (64:13)

Something like that, but not really.

Filippo (64:14)

Speaking of car this excellent. It's a station wagon. I just want to say that your Mercedes.

Doug (64:18)

Yeah.

Filippo (64:19)

My family was visiting so we had two kids, four adults in the car at pretty much all times for a week straight. Went to the beach, had beach chairs, rear facing, third row. It just does everything beautifully. Yeah, everything.

Nick (64:31)

This is a E Class wagon podcast.

Filippo (64:34)

Yeah. Now that you own one, give it a thought.

Doug (64:36)

We all do. We all have E Class station wagons of various different ages. Mine is of course newer and better than yours as I'm sure you're used to.

Nick (64:42)

Even better. How many horsepowers?

Doug (64:44)

Let's run them. Let's run them.

Nick (64:46)

All right. Let's do it.

Doug (64:47)

I'm serious.

Nick (64:49)

I still haven't driven mine but Your

Doug (64:51)

car's got 205, 000 miles and whatever else.

Nick (64:54)

It's got a Rentech tune.

Doug (64:57)

It doesn't have that yet, does it?

Nick (64:59)

You've had it from the previous owner.

Doug (65:00)

Any updates on that whole situation?

Nick (65:03)

No. We fix a check engine light.

Filippo (65:04)

Nice.

Nick (65:04)

Turns out two wires were plugged in wrong and you just flip them and

Filippo (65:09)

then it's probably solved. Manual swap. Right.

Nick (65:10)

It does also need the aromatic suspension redone.

Filippo (65:13)

Oh, yep. They do that.

Nick (65:15)

Other than that, it's great.

Doug (65:16)

How much is that?

Nick (65:17)

I don't know. Cameron's on vacation at DC Motorworks. He's going to.

Doug (65:21)

You going to do it or are

Filippo (65:21)

you going to do coils?

Nick (65:22)

I don't know. He's going to give me an estimate.

Doug (65:25)

Is it rear only?

Nick (65:26)

I. I don't know if the whole suspension needs redone or if it's just a minor.

Filippo (65:29)

It depends on what's wrong. But it's not.

Doug (65:30)

It's not.

Nick (65:30)

It's a fault code. So it could be. It could be minor.

Doug (65:33)

No, it's broken. It's.

Filippo (65:35)

I did learn because we obviously had a Human in the the trunk of the station wagon. In and out and out. And the rear is air suspension, which it is in this and on your yours.

Doug (65:44)

Mine's got four wheeler.

Filippo (65:45)

Does it really?

Doug (65:46)

Dude, I'm next level.

Filippo (65:47)

You don't even have massaging seats, man.

Doug (65:49)

I know.

Filippo (65:49)

You didn't have cooled seats.

Doug (65:50)

I don't think I do. It was hard to find.

Filippo (65:52)

Well, I got both.

Doug (65:53)

I got heated rears. You got heated rear.

Filippo (65:55)

Of course you don't understand my car, but yeah, that's a problem. Regardless, I could hear this. The pump for the rear suspension making some noise.

Doug (66:07)

Well, no.

Nick (66:10)

Is this your car?

Filippo (66:10)

Yeah, it's my car. Yeah.

Nick (66:11)

I thought yours was brown.

Doug (66:12)

It is brown. It's hard to show up brown. It really almost always shows up brown. Black E class station wagon is the

Filippo (66:18)

best car in the world.

Doug (66:19)

Best car in the world. Love mine dearly and we'll always have it or one like it. Which is why, by the way, I am looking for a 2001 or 2000 E55 wagon with a third row. The ones on mobile.de that you keep sending to Sean, we've seen they don't have third row. If you have a third row 2000 or 2001, that's a facelift. W210E55 wagon, silver with a third row. There's a bunch of these out there. You send an email to Sean carsandbins.com S E A N@carsandbins.com I need this car, folks. The time is ticking.

Filippo (66:53)

And ideally not converted to LPG, not the Lorenzer one.

Doug (66:59)

We've seen all the cars on mobile.de they don't have a third row. Do not send it to us unless there are seat belts in that back. And I'm not talking about the second row, folks. I'm talking about the third. Let's move on to market report really quickly and talk to gtr. And then we got to do questions. Questions are best ever this week that's ever seen in my life. Nick, get ready. Nick, did you see this?

Nick (67:18)

Just right before we started the show,

Doug (67:20)

we wanted to talk today on the market report about how GTRs are not declining in value and cannot decline in value.

Nick (67:26)

That's a 13.

Filippo (67:27)

We're looking this more than MSRP was.

Doug (67:29)

This car is 13 years old. It had 31,000 miles which is low but not like a. Yeah, nothing. No, this is black crazy. Yeah, but still, it was 107 sticker 13 years ago on a Nissan. Obama was president. Yeah, Obama. He had just beaten MITT Romney. You remember that? Do you even remember that binder's full of women?

Filippo (67:48)

I do. The dog on the road. Hot dog's my favorite food. Yeah.

Doug (67:54)

Here we are all these years later, and this car is still bringing all the money that the GTR market is crazy.

Filippo (68:00)

Flat, flat, flat.

Doug (68:01)

Buy one of these, enjoy it for a little while.

Filippo (68:03)

Sell it.

Doug (68:04)

You ever want one of these?

Nick (68:05)

I have, actually.

Doug (68:06)

Why don't you have one of these?

Nick (68:07)

Maybe it'll happen.

Filippo (68:08)

They're not a bad one in the

Nick (68:10)

V8, but it does surpass 400 horsepower by far.

Doug (68:13)

Have you ever driven one of these?

Nick (68:14)

No.

Doug (68:14)

They are fast. Yeah.

Nick (68:17)

A lot of people turn them into, like, track toys and stuff, too, but.

Doug (68:20)

And drag cars, and I think they look good.

Nick (68:22)

They're aging nicely.

Doug (68:23)

They're aging nicely.

Filippo (68:24)

Performance modifications. 630 horsepower.

Doug (68:26)

That's like performance modifications.

Nick (68:28)

Yeah.

Doug (68:29)

No, this one.

Filippo (68:29)

Yep.

Doug (68:31)

I just love a good gtr.

Nick (68:34)

The main reason I haven't bought one, Filippo, is because I wait till they get cheap. And they're still waiting, and they don't get cheap. I'm waiting forever.

Doug (68:40)

Although, to your point about not wanting to lose money in BS cars anymore, here's a car you don't lose money in.

Nick (68:44)

Perhaps. Yeah.

Doug (68:45)

Yeah, you do. A little Montana, you know what I'm saying?

Nick (68:50)

Would never do that. I'm an upstanding citizen.

Doug (68:54)

That's your mark.

Nick (68:54)

I would just leave the price blank on the back of the bill of sale.

Filippo (68:57)

We're going to stop talking, let the

Doug (68:59)

state figure out the rest. I want to move on to the question.

Nick (69:02)

Nissan. What's it worth? 500 bucks, right?

Doug (69:04)

A 2013 Nissan. Yeah. Every other 2013 Nissan is worth $8,100 max. I want to move on to the market report or to the questions which are brought to you by Nick's nose. You may have seen that. Nick's nose. There was an incident. It happened because of a paint can. He was.

Nick (69:18)

What was the. The paint roller.

Doug (69:20)

Paint roller.

Nick (69:21)

It wouldn't come off, and I like that.

Doug (69:23)

Hurt himself on a paint roller. Folks, this is a bigger travesty than Ryan Lopez's air conditioning. We've heard it fixed the air conditioning. One door closes and another paint roller hits you in the face.

Nick (69:37)

It does.

Doug (69:37)

I tell you what.

Nick (69:38)

Were you painting a fence? See, I'm.

Doug (69:41)

You were not.

Nick (69:42)

People try to make me out to be this.

Doug (69:43)

What are you, Huck fan?

Nick (69:44)

West coast elitist? I paint my own fence.

Doug (69:47)

All right? You were not painting a fence.

Nick (69:49)

I got pictures. I did it with my son Ryder, but, yeah, Our fence fell over in a big windstorm. We had it rebuilt. And then I. But I didn't pay extra for the painting because I could do the paint. And then I started bleeding. I had white paint and blood coming down my face. And we were supposed to be somewhere at 3. And this was like 2:55. And I'm like, honey, I need like 10 minutes to get ready. And then I showed up. Only bandaid I could find was a Paw Patrol 1. So I showed up to this playday with a paw Patrol, like Nelly style face bandage.

Doug (70:20)

Oh my God, it was great. This is so on brand. You are a west coast elitist, by the way. I am not you.

Nick (70:26)

Nick, I hail from Ohio.

Doug (70:28)

I know, but you grew up with 16 watercraft. 13 watercraft.

Nick (70:34)

I grew up in a town of 30,000 people in Ohio.

Doug (70:36)

Yeah, but everybody knew your family. They were the rich guys who had all the watercraft. Whenever a boat would crash over on the lake, they'd say, I better was one of Nick's people.

Nick (70:45)

This is coming from the Mr. Mr. Denver here.

Filippo (70:47)

The.

Nick (70:48)

The big, big fancy Denver people.

Doug (70:50)

I was a kid. When I was a kid. My. I never forget this. We test drove a Jeep Cherokee.

Filippo (70:57)

Wow.

Doug (70:57)

And my parent an xj. And my parents couldn't afford to buy that Jeep Cherokee. It didn't. I remember sitting in the back on the test drive. I was into cars. They brought me along. I was five years old. They brought me on. A test drive is before car seats were required for people over one. And I remember it didn't have rear headrests. We couldn't even afford a car with rear headrests, Nick. We were impoverished. Well, anyway, all the personal watercraft must have been nice though. I'm sure you had a lot of headrests on that. Let's. Let's move on.

Nick (71:26)

Actually sat on a cooler for one of those.

Doug (71:29)

Oh, one of the boats only had seven seats. Right. So when they were doing a big party, they just sit on a cooler, which of course was full of shame campaign and caviar. The questions are great this week and if you want to ask us a question, you go to carsandbids.com, you click on the community tab and then somewhere

Filippo (71:45)

Filippo's not even as a result of the light, I really cannot see anything in the upper side of the screen.

Nick (71:50)

But you look nice.

Doug (71:51)

And then right over there somewhere, there's a podcast question and you can ask us questions and folks ask us questions this week.

Filippo (71:56)

There were so many comments last week. Wow.

Doug (71:59)

Question number one from edac33. In honor of your 100th episode, Nick, that's what this is. What were your favorite moments over the last 99 episodes? Nick, go ahead.

Nick (72:09)

I'll let Felipe go first.

Filippo (72:10)

You know, we. We spend a couple hours a week for the last 100 weeks recording this. There's so many great moments.

Doug (72:16)

Yeah. Like, for example, I can think of. Well, there was that one moment.

Nick (72:22)

Oh, no, wait.

Filippo (72:22)

That one got cut.

Doug (72:24)

I think my favorite moments have been all the times that I predicted things that happened.

Sponsor/Ad Voice (72:27)

All right.

Filippo (72:28)

There have been a lot of delightful moments and great questions.

Doug (72:30)

Here's a good one from Scotsman in OC Scotsman in OC this is a great question that I really want you to think on. Dear Doug, do you think the Ferrari California has become a more attractive proposition over the years? We've talked on this show before about. Yes. How we do think that. That it's gotten cheaper, that it's fast even by.

Nick (72:47)

There's a silver one on the site right now. Right.

Doug (72:48)

But he makes an interesting point that I hadn't considered. Ferrari has now begin switching to hybrids and V6s. Well, the California has a naturally aspirated V8. And all this talk about how all.

Filippo (73:00)

Yeah.

Doug (73:01)

Here's an. You want a Ferrari with an NA V8. Okay. You get a 458 Speciale. Or.

Filippo (73:06)

But here's the thing. A Mondial.

Doug (73:09)

Yeah.

Filippo (73:09)

Which was the predecessor.

Doug (73:11)

Yeah. A little bit.

Nick (73:11)

I agree.

Filippo (73:12)

AGO has a gated manual.

Doug (73:14)

Yeah.

Filippo (73:14)

And I don't see prices going up there. No.

Doug (73:16)

But it's still cool. Like, still worth $35,000 point isn't necessarily that prices should go up. He's just asking, do you. You think it has become a more attractive proposition? I thought that already before, it was framed as A naturally aspirated V8 to me, but now I'm sitting here thinking this is a 70s 5056 with some. With a little incident there.

Nick (73:35)

Some miles.

Filippo (73:36)

But these are all day in the 80s.

Doug (73:38)

It's an Nav 8 Ferrari. And it drives like a Ferrari, it steers like a Ferrari, it handles like a Ferrari, and it is an nav 8 car.

Nick (73:46)

Point taken. However, if you had 80 and had to buy a Ferrari, which color would you get the 360 in?

Doug (73:52)

Yeah. I wouldn't get this. That's true. However, it is a relatively attractive proposition. Also, a360 cannot put on miles like this car.

Nick (74:00)

Yeah. I've looked at these. I've wanted to like them. I've even thought about buying one. I just can't I can't make myself love it.

Doug (74:07)

I don't necessarily think it is an enthusiast's car. However, I do think there is a big swath of people who should like. And if you're buying an sl. What do you mean if I'm in.

Filippo (74:15)

You could buy a new SL or one of these is.

Doug (74:18)

Yep. And boy would I not choose. The new SL and the Audi Q4 Sportback are right up there against each other.

Filippo (74:26)

All the buttons will be sticky. Maybe. Actually this one looks incredibly nice.

Nick (74:30)

I have to say.

Doug (74:31)

I just. It's an interesting proposition. I'd rather drive around on a Ferrari. Dude, you, you might rather have a new SL. But I, I'm. I would rather have an Nav 8 Ferrari.

Filippo (74:38)

I'd rather have a new SL.

Doug (74:39)

You'd rather have a six cylinder standing up. He does things.

Nick (74:43)

He's probably hot, he messes with me. Or cold. The air is not on. I agree with the premise of the question and I think everyone does. On the left side of the brain, the rational side but the emotional side, much like the Lamborghini ev, it's hard to create that emotional connection with the California. I think someone is stick swapping one because what five of them came factory stick. Like literally five. Something like that. If you could manual swap it and so you'd have like a modern stick feed.

Filippo (75:13)

I do think that's the problem with this car. The rational side of your brain will just buy a PDK911.

Doug (75:19)

Yeah.

Filippo (75:19)

Right. For $50,000 for one the same year. The emotional side will want something more.

Doug (75:26)

I don't think it's necessarily. I think there are two things, two points to consider. Number one, I don't think it's necessarily an enthusiast car. I think it is for the type of person who buys a Maserati Gran Turismo.

Filippo (75:34)

Right. And then the Maserati Gran Turismo exists lists which. And it's 12 grand.

Doug (75:37)

But that type of person dreams of having a Ferrari.

Nick (75:39)

Yeah.

Doug (75:40)

Like that brand is a big deal to people like that. And number two, the Ferrari 360 that you guys are talking about, you can't put miles. Go back to the California letter. The, the miles. You can't put miles on a Maserati Gran Turismo. Like you can put on one of these.

Filippo (75:55)

Is that.

Doug (75:55)

Or I'm sorry, you can't put miles on a Ferrari 360. Like you could put on one of these mid engine exotic car. The interiors where the cars wear, et cetera. This car, the California, which we're off again. That is not the situation. I think this is a much more daily usable car.

Nick (76:13)

Again, you're correct. But I think it's the styling that ruins it for me. There's just something about it.

Doug (76:20)

I just think it's not for true enthusiasts, but I think there is a big market for it.

Filippo (76:24)

But then just buy a Gran Turismo for a third the price.

Doug (76:27)

But the people. But I'm saying what I've said before when you were not paying attention is that the people. The people want, like, want the brand. They want the Ferrari brand.

Filippo (76:36)

But this isn't nobody to you.

Doug (76:38)

It's not. But to a lot of people you see this, you're like, damn, you got a Ferrari.

Filippo (76:42)

I think those same people that see a California are like, damn, you got a Ferrari. Would say that about a Gran Turismo.

Doug (76:48)

Yeah, but Ferrari is like the vaunted brand. It's like the dream brand.

Filippo (76:52)

But I don't know how many shields you got.

Doug (76:54)

Next question from 72offsuit. Is it just me or is the American boomer car market crumbling? What boomer car would strike your fancy at the right price? Nick?

Nick (77:05)

I don't think it's just him. Yeah, there's definitely data to support that.

Filippo (77:09)

The.

Nick (77:10)

Especially like the 60s muscle cars. But even the like. Like the Indianapolis pace Car Edition C5. And like all of these cars that appealed to the boomer demographic, they're. They're getting too old for to put up with the bull that comes with those cars.

Doug (77:24)

Did you type in Boomer and like that whole list of Mustangs, I just typed in Ford.

Filippo (77:31)

I just want to have this idea.

Nick (77:32)

So there's. There's. There is that. I think that is true. Although there are certainly exceptions to it.

Doug (77:36)

Yeah.

Nick (77:37)

The blue chip cars will continue to do well. What car would I like? Yeah, there's so many. I'm. I'm still.

Doug (77:43)

What boomer car would you like most?

Nick (77:44)

I'm trying to get off my boomer dad, a 67 Mustang that he's got sort of rotting away in a barn. I. Those cars sound like much like you like your countach. The carbureted feel. They're slow by today's standards, but, like, there's just something visceral and raw with it that I love.

Filippo (78:00)

Yeah.

Doug (78:00)

I would get a split window. I think that the C2 is still the most. Probably top five most beautiful cars ever manufactured. I really, truly think the C2, you

Nick (78:08)

do have to go. More beauty than driving experience.

Filippo (78:11)

Yeah, of course.

Nick (78:11)

Like, you have to understand that that's what you're doing.

Doug (78:13)

Oh God, it's such a beautiful car.

Nick (78:15)

Yeah. Especially in that leather convertible.

Doug (78:17)

Yeah. But like any C2, even the convertibles, even the non split windows. But if I had to pick any of them, you'd get a. It's so crazy. It was just a time when like design was like really at the forefront and regulations didn't force you to conform to different things. You could just do all sorts of crazy stuff. What would you get?

Filippo (78:37)

Old truck.

Doug (78:39)

Old truck.

Nick (78:39)

F250.

Doug (78:41)

We have.

Filippo (78:41)

We'll have an F250 but like you know. Cool.

Nick (78:43)

Is there an update on that?

Filippo (78:45)

A bunch of work's been done on it. It should, I should be shipped here.

Nick (78:49)

Do we have an estimate for the amount of work? Yeah.

Filippo (78:52)

1500.

Doug (78:52)

Two grand. Okay. Yeah. From Frank A.P. question for Doug. As a knowledgeable car person, what is the most egregious example of a car related fact that people believe to be true but turned out to be false? Oh, my favorite one of these, the most annoying one that has ever existed is the this car's only got back seats for insurance purposes.

Nick (79:11)

That's where my head went to God.

Doug (79:12)

That is the stupidest thing that people repeat. And when I hear people say it at cars and coffee, two things happen. Number one, I think to myself, oh God, here we go again. Number two, I have to get away from this conversation as quickly as possible. The cars that have back seats have them for backseat purposes. Your insurer has a lot more data than just does it have back seats? Oh, well then it must be a family car. Let's make it cheap. It's not how it works. Maybe it was 50 years ago.

Filippo (79:36)

I would believe it was at some point, but it certainly hasn't been for decades.

Doug (79:39)

Decades usually. And see the models they have. How do they know to send me a bill for exactly 6131. You know.

Filippo (79:48)

Right. You're mistaken. Precision for accuracy. But yeah.

Doug (79:52)

Huh huh. Can you come up with another example?

Nick (79:58)

Mine kind of related is BMW. But other manufacturers were pushing concepts such as lifetime fluid or 10,000 mile interaction intervals which proved to be terribly wrong. But even to this day, like the cars don't remind you to get the oil change till like frankly, it's too late.

Doug (80:15)

Yep. And those motors all had problems because.

Nick (80:18)

And all the consumers thought this was great. I don't have to change my oil as often. And it's like, no, you're just screwing yourself. Like this is bad.

Doug (80:24)

I mean it's a great idea in theory, but no one really put it into practice correctly. Also we still get oil changes every 2,000 miles.

Nick (80:31)

It's just like basic chemicals, they degrade over time. It doesn't matter.

Doug (80:34)

Yeah.

Filippo (80:35)

I think people often think big old car safe.

Doug (80:39)

Yeah.

Filippo (80:39)

And that's just not how safe.

Nick (80:40)

Yeah, that's another good one.

Filippo (80:41)

It turns out like energy you dissipate and you have to have a bunch of crumple zones.

Doug (80:44)

You make them. They don't let you make cars out of steel anymore that back now they crumble. These things crumble.

Filippo (80:49)

And that's the entire point. The point is that it crumbles and you don't die.

Doug (80:54)

Totally. That's totally. That is another great one. And you see that. I see car accidents. I saw it on the free the other day. I didn't see it happen but I drove by and some car had been destroyed in the front but the passenger compartment was completely intact.

Filippo (81:06)

For a modern car it's incredible how well engineered and designed they are. Does that mean that if you crash into somebody at 20 you might have to have a lot of repairs?

Nick (81:15)

Sure.

Filippo (81:16)

But the goal is that it then

Doug (81:17)

keeps you safe, keeps you safe. And that's all we really care about. Here's a great question from Jake D. Mathis. 600 to all three. What would be your choice to replace the Dodge Charger Ford Explorer for a police vehicle but using a car from a non American manufacturer? In Europe they have X5s. Like in the UK they use X5s. They have Volvo station wagons. What else? What, what, what foreign car?

Nick (81:39)

So if I were the police force. Yeah, they want cars that blend in so that they can kind of catch you speeding or doing stuff without.

Filippo (81:47)

I want that obvious. I want. I love crap when crap. The end of the Crown Vic area because nobody else was driving around.

Doug (81:52)

Yeah, okay, but pretend you're a law enforcement organization. What would you buy? Not a person trying to evade the police.

Nick (81:58)

Don't you think it would be something like a Prius? Yeah, because you're not doing many high speed pursuits.

Doug (82:03)

They like, they like speed though. They often have to like they're on the freeway run radar and then they got to go catch up to the

Filippo (82:07)

person like plugging my Prius got good download torque.

Doug (82:10)

That's like 0 16. 10 and a half.

Filippo (82:11)

No, it's faster than that.

Doug (82:12)

Nine and a half.

Filippo (82:13)

Eight.

Doug (82:14)

Oh, the new prints.

Filippo (82:15)

Well you sure like it.

Doug (82:16)

You know, you don't want. You also don't want chintzy. I mean like the thing about these cars that's important is they also bump into stuff.

Filippo (82:21)

A car breaks down the freeway Ford Escape Hybrid.

Doug (82:24)

Huh.

Filippo (82:25)

Think about how many you had.

Doug (82:26)

Had miles. This is.

Nick (82:27)

And also American.

Doug (82:28)

Nah, it's still too weak.

Nick (82:31)

It probably needs to be a Toyota then just for durability. It's a fleet use vehicle.

Doug (82:34)

How about the Crown?

Filippo (82:36)

Yeah, the crown's the obvious. That's what they do in Japan for like the high. No, but for like the like staple. So the micro collection that they've.

Nick (82:43)

How about Jaguar? I paste. You could get a good deal on them. Save the taxpayers a lot of money.

Filippo (82:48)

Take the way off.

Doug (82:49)

I wonder what percentage of those ended up being sold as Waymos.

Filippo (82:51)

All of them.

Doug (82:53)

Okay, what about. Is there anything else that's like kind of a. What about a Forerunner? In Hawaii they use Forerunners.

Filippo (82:59)

Yeah, Forerunner's not bad. The issue, like I want the police department to also be very efficient with their use of taxpayer funds and so less like if it is a hybrid, if it's a plug in hybrid of some kind, somebody have durability. The better fuel economy that benefits everybody.

Doug (83:12)

I like it when the police have have big V8 chargers or when like

Filippo (83:17)

the Italian police gets donated to like a Huracan. Yeah.

Doug (83:22)

Toyota Crown. Forerunner. These are our answers.

Filippo (83:26)

The current Crown.

Nick (83:27)

How about like a Civic Si. Got a little speed. It's a reasonable car.

Doug (83:31)

It's too wimpy. Cops are often using their cars. It happens all the time.

Filippo (83:38)

They push something out of the roadway.

Doug (83:40)

For sure.

Filippo (83:40)

That does happen.

Doug (83:41)

The car crumple. We just talked about this.

Filippo (83:43)

But they have the brush guards for that.

Doug (83:45)

Not all of them. And often they push even if they don't have the brush guards.

Filippo (83:48)

Well then that's damage regardless.

Doug (83:49)

It's not like a Ford Explorer. It's taxpayers money. Kind of.

Nick (83:53)

Yes, it's the Mitsubishi Eclipse. Not the old one.

Doug (83:57)

The Cross.

Nick (83:57)

The Cross. Because then you have the space. It's sturdy. Mitsubishi would love the sales. They'd make a great deal and they're forgettable cars. You wouldn't notice in traffic.

Filippo (84:06)

All right, Lexus is. I'm looking at what's live. Most people have just a regular IS250.

Doug (84:11)

You get an IS500.

Filippo (84:12)

Some people get an ISF.

Doug (84:15)

In Aspen they use Toyota Highlanders.

Filippo (84:17)

Yeah.

Doug (84:18)

Interested in that? I guess it's like a Ford Explorer.

Filippo (84:21)

Yeah.

Doug (84:21)

So that would work. Okay, that's the answer. Okay, I want to do two more questions. Two more questions.

Filippo (84:27)

I stand by wanting them to be easily identifiable.

Doug (84:30)

Two more questions. Two more questions. Two more questions.

Nick (84:33)

Do them all speed.

Doug (84:34)

From quirks and features, fan Doug question you've mentioned now that you have Two EV chargers installed at your house. Which raises the question, what EV would you consider? Mercedes E class station wagon. Felipe, what EV would you consider?

Filippo (84:46)

The EQE class wagon. I would consider a lot of EVs.

Doug (84:50)

But you've never done that. Like what would actually make you.

Filippo (84:53)

Whatever. The most attractively Steel.

Doug (84:54)

Yeah, but there have been some really attractive steel and you haven't done.

Filippo (84:57)

How have I not?

Doug (84:58)

What would make you step in and do that?

Filippo (85:00)

The problem is, even though we own four cars, five cars at the moment, things have got on hand. We need a car that can go at least 500 miles range to get to in laws, which we do really regularly.

Doug (85:13)

Yeah.

Filippo (85:13)

And the. The lucid air, I guess would do that.

Doug (85:16)

Well, what about you just charge it in Yuma for 89 bucks a month Charging it in Gila Bend. Is that really so?

Nick (85:22)

Gila Bend's right next to a top.

Filippo (85:23)

We don't go through Gila Bend. You gotta have the one in Yuma. Yeah, but then you gotta stop in Yummy, you know, which we do anyways for grass. Actually the Yuma has a cute little downtown. It's nice. I should consider more of them. I should. I actually am into the new Toyota BZ Woodland and the Subaru variant that's five grand cheaper inexplicably.

Doug (85:43)

Yeah. The Trail Seeker.

Filippo (85:45)

Because it's like a little wagony Trail Seeker. Right. Kind of into that. I strongly consider an Ionic five when leaf steel is really attractive. There's a lot that I've considered.

Doug (85:54)

Okay, but you've never done it.

Filippo (85:56)

I would consider a Rivian R2 or

Doug (85:58)

a R. So the answer is there's nothing.

Nick (85:59)

I could see him in an Ioniq 6 because he's contrarian and it's a bit of a contrarian vehicle.

Filippo (86:04)

I'm a hatchback guy.

Nick (86:05)

You know.

Doug (86:05)

There's now an Ionic 6N. Yeah, that's super contrary. Cool because like Everybody's on the Ionic 5N and it's little gear thing I

Filippo (86:13)

would consider a ton of. My next car will be a plug in hybrid.

Doug (86:17)

Yeah. You know. Yeah. Is it will it? Because you said that a long time. And then you got a truck that has a V8 and gets two miles per gallon. Oh, that was inherited. Oh, and then there's going to be some qualifier for. Oh, well, that was whatever fun fact about the truck.

Filippo (86:30)

It has two gas tanks, as was common. But one of them we need to do a bunch of work to actually use.

Doug (86:34)

So you're just gonna use just one. I will tell you.

Filippo (86:36)

20 gallons and that that's gotta be 200 miles.

Doug (86:38)

I will tell you, it is so nice in the Countach. So all the compromises that car has. It is so nice to be able to just pull up at either side of the pump and never think about it.

Filippo (86:47)

Yeah, you have to switch tanks. Or is there a new.

Doug (86:50)

No, this isn't a 40s car, Nick. What EV would you buy?

Nick (86:54)

R2, G Wagon? EQ. Basically any SUV that fits like a family SL daily car.

Doug (87:01)

Y to.

Nick (87:02)

That's the only EV application I'm interested in. The. What's a Telluride? The K9.

Filippo (87:07)

The EV9.

Nick (87:08)

EV9, Ionic. Something like that would be fine.

Doug (87:10)

K9,

Filippo (87:12)

they had the K5.

Doug (87:14)

But you haven't done that.

Nick (87:15)

I would also love to EV swap my Land Rover.

Doug (87:18)

Okay.

Filippo (87:21)

What?

Nick (87:21)

Yeah, you can put like a Tesla.

Doug (87:23)

No, no, it's.

Nick (87:24)

You.

Doug (87:25)

You can't.

Nick (87:25)

I mean, I would pay a shop to do it.

Doug (87:27)

There is no shop in the world, nick. That's a $40,000 defender.

Nick (87:30)

Traders will do it. Oh, it's like a hundred, Nick.

Doug (87:32)

That car is worse.

Nick (87:32)

Also.

Filippo (87:32)

That doesn't make any sense.

Nick (87:34)

It'd be fast. It'd be reliable. It would be.

Filippo (87:36)

It still somehow would be unreliable. I don't know how, but it would.

Doug (87:39)

Nick, how come you haven't actually done this? You got some money?

Nick (87:43)

I don't got that kind of money.

Filippo (87:44)

No, no, no.

Doug (87:45)

I'm talking about for the EVs. You said you'd get an R2.

Nick (87:47)

Like I'm having conversations with my wife. My wife is also off cars after the Multiplus sale. And so we've decided to just stay the course with our current fleet.

Doug (87:57)

Okay. Okay. All right, Last question from JJ Silva. 7. What is the manliest man car? Not an SUV. Not a truck.

Filippo (88:04)

Car charger?

Doug (88:05)

Six pack.

Filippo (88:06)

Yeah,

Doug (88:08)

no, but I think one of those wide body chargers, probably, right? Or like a demon.

Nick (88:14)

Yeah, I was gonna say the WS6 that you have in the basement.

Doug (88:17)

Yeah.

Nick (88:18)

WS6 is about as toxic masculinity as it gets. In a good way.

Filippo (88:23)

CA01X.

Doug (88:24)

Yeah.

Filippo (88:25)

Or 01ZTK.

Doug (88:26)

I think the tune said before.

Nick (88:28)

Certainly an American muscle car.

Doug (88:29)

Yeah, yeah. Something like that.

Nick (88:32)

Trx, Raptor are kind of.

Filippo (88:34)

Yeah. Truck, though, you know, that's our hundred.

Doug (88:36)

Wait, why did I buy an EV?

Nick (88:37)

I should have.

Filippo (88:38)

I should have leased.

Doug (88:38)

100 episodes, folks. What an unbelievable experience. This STI is ending. It'll be over by the time you watch this and you'll have seen what happened. 100 episodes, Nick, do you have anything, any Wisdom for the next hundred.

Nick (88:51)

Well, I wonder. I mean, you've stuck to the format too, haven't you?

Doug (88:54)

Yeah.

Nick (88:55)

Is there any desire to switch it up?

Doug (88:57)

No.

Nick (88:57)

We had Hoovy on once.

Doug (88:59)

Yeah. If we have. Good people are always asking to come on. One of the things that I've realized that when someone asks to come on, it means they don't watch because they think we have guests and we don't have guests. And it's like, oh, well. But I'm willing to have someone really good on. It was like, hoover, better hoovie or better. So, like, who would be whistling is the only one.

Nick (89:17)

I was gonna say you could name one person who would be the. The guest chair.

Doug (89:22)

If we could have one person on, who would it be?

Filippo (89:24)

I would have whistle.

Nick (89:24)

I think you need to have Matt Farah on because he has you on once a year.

Doug (89:27)

Yeah.

Nick (89:27)

Maybe for like New Year's.

Filippo (89:29)

Before we did this car pod, we did live now with cars and bits. He came on live show and he came on one. Right.

Doug (89:33)

You know what we should have on one of these days is the air conditioner repair man, the technician who fixed Ryan's air conditioner. We should have him do like a blow by blow of what happened, what was so difficult about this, how we were able to finally get it solved. Goodbye, everyone.

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