Mercedes Unimog Returns! New Porsche Cayman? Can Nissan Save Itself?

Summary

THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends

Episode: Mercedes Unimog Returns! New Porsche Cayman? Can Nissan Save Itself?
Date: December 19, 2025
Host: Doug DeMuro (Nick), with Kenan & Filippo

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Overview

This lively episode of THIS CAR POD! finds Doug DeMuro and friends in vintage form, covering breaking news across the car world. From the possible return of a luxurious Mercedes Unimog to Porsche walking back its EV-only Cayman plans, to Nissan’s bold Nismo expansion and even the shaky ground beneath Ford and Volkswagen’s EV futures, the trio offers insight, debate, and plenty of laughs. The episode also checks in on the used car market, collector quirks, audience Q&A, and personal fleet updates—including a mysterious new Porsche purchase.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mercedes Unimog: Luxury Rebooted?

[01:09–03:17]

• Mercedes is celebrating 80 years of the Unimog with a modern, luxurious, one-off prototype featuring premium leather, LED lighting, and a 7.7-liter 6-cylinder diesel.
  • Filippo: “They’re truly trying to figure out—do we want to build this as a standalone model?”
• The group speculates that Middle Eastern markets (e.g., Dubai) are prime for such vehicles, while noting the Unimog’s industrial, not consumer, roots.
• Nick: “As cool as it looks...these are like snowplows...you don’t want one. You’re climbing stairs to get in.”
• Luxury features include high-grade leather, contrast stitching, and “virtual mirrors”.
• Only a single customer will test it for a year—real feasibility is uncertain.

2. Ford Cancels F-150 Lightning, Refocuses on Hybrids

[03:45–08:35]

• Ford officially cancels the F-150 Lightning’s future, shifting focus to extended-range plug-in hybrid trucks.
  • Nick: “Plug-in hybrids always kind of made the most sense. If we’re really being honest with ourselves.”
• The move reflects a broad industry “pause” as incentives for EVs wane in North America.
• Kenan: “It is such a weird era…to go from full EV back to plug-in...eventually, will it go all the way back to full EV? Yeah. At some point.”
• Ford’s big investments in EVs face huge write-offs ($18–19bn) as they pivot; the $50k+ EV market isn’t delivering.
• Global context: 25% of new vehicles sold are EVs, largely concentrated in Europe and Asia.

3. Porsche Cayman/Boxster: Reluctance to EV-Only, Market Realities

[09:15–12:00]

• Porsche was set to make 718 Cayman/Boxster EV-only; now they’ll continue selling 4-cylinder gas models and retrofit gas engines into the new platform.
  • Filippo: “They are not just saying we’ll continue the 718 for a couple of years—they’re investing hundreds of millions to fit a gas engine in what they planned.”
• Significant engineering is required, as platforms were developed for large batteries.
• Debate: Is there any market for an EV sports car?
  • Nick: “What EV sports car has ever been desirable?”
  • Filippo: “There have been none built.”
• Speculation: “Kenan and I will tell you how long...before an EV sports car is desirable—carry the one—long time.”
• Porsche also to add “shifting” simulation in EVs—a feature previously dismissed.

4. European & Global EV Mandate Reversal

[16:29–20:05]

• The EU walks back its previous 2035 ban on gas-powered cars, now targeting a 90% emissions reduction instead of 100%.
  • Filippo: “Walking back a little bit...but still pushing for EVs.”
• Allows offset credits for low-carbon steel, E-fuels, biofuels.
• V8s, it seems, will be alive longer in Europe than expected.
• Reflection on “regionalization” of powertrains, and how manufacturers may offer different engines in different markets (echoes of ‘80s/’90s).

5. Nissan’s Bold Nismo Expansion

[20:37–23:41]

• Nissan will double its Nismo offerings: from five to ten models worldwide.
  • Includes the Z and Armada (SUV), plus possible Leaf Nismo, Centra Nismo, and racing-inspired specials.
  • Kenan: “They’re really testing the strength of the Nismo brand.”
  • Filippo: “There is no Nismo brand.”
• Speculation that these special editions primarily target value buyers (e.g., Uber Black drivers).

6. Audi RS3 GT50 Concept, VW Group’s Stagnant Lineup

[23:44–25:38]

• Audi’s apprentice-built RS3 GT50: wild concept celebrating 50 years of their 5-cylinder, but not for production.
• Nick: “We don’t build the cool stuff. We build the Nismo Armada.”
• Critique: VW group leaves existing hot Car models (Q7, Macan, Q5) largely unchanged for a decade.

7. Industry Design Shakeups: Mercedes & JLR

[26:50–30:09]

• Mercedes AMG’s longtime head designer steps down—possible shift in design language ahead.
• JLR flip-flops on firing design head Gerry McGovern; speculation about huge severance and HR missteps.

8. Hyundai & Kia’s Stolen Car Settlement (“Kia Boys” Fallout)

[32:35–35:44]

• Kia/Hyundai settle lawsuits over easy-to-steal models lacking immobilizers.
  • Owners eligible for software/hardware updates and meager restitution.
  • Nick: “This turned off a generation of people from buying these cars. Literally any child can pretty much steal them.”

9. Personal/Fleet Updates & “Talk Cars” Segment

[37:30–44:22]

• Filippo bought a Porsche (model secret), plus inherited a ‘72 Ford F-250, and plans to sell his GTI and Fiat.
  • Filippo: “True bonafide sports car…more than I’ve spent for all my cars combined.”
• Kenan’s SL65 AMG visits the shop—debates selling for a Dodge Viper.
  • Reflects on the emotional rollercoaster of German-car ownership versus Viper desire.

10. Used Market Watch: VW ID. Buzz, Manual Cayennes, Prowler

[54:20–65:46]

• VW ID. Buzz (EV van): weak market response in U.S.; $43k bids fall short of $67k MSRP.
  • Nick: “Needless to say, the ID Buzz hasn’t really been the rip roaring success we were all hoping for.”
• Manual Cayennes: Still draw strong values, but down from pandemic peaks.
• Chrysler Prowler: Massive “cool factor,” but market refuses to value it above ~$25k; trio discuss why and future collectibility.

11. Audience Q&A

Highlights:

• Why doesn’t BMW just buy Ineos’ Grenadier SUV?
  • Nick: “They’re already making the powertrains...BMW could spend real money, make it more tolerable for a larger audience.”
  • Filippo: “I don’t think it advances them in any meaningful way.”
• Harry Metcalf buying used Maserati Levante Trofeo – good move?
  • Consensus: Makes sense at depreciated prices; “brilliant” for rural UK with 590 hp, but these only work as used bargains.
  • Kenan: “Maseratis are like fine wine: As time goes on and they depreciate, they become much better.”
• What automatic sports cars would Doug buy?
  • Possible exceptions: Ferrari 430 Scuderia, Aston Martin Vanquish Shooting Brake, Jaguar Project 8 (“Cat Car”), some Ferraris and hypercars.
• What oddball cars are hiding in wealthy collectors’ garages?
  • Ex: One Diablo 6.0 owner also hoarded 6+ first-gen Infiniti Q45s!
• Is Doug a “Porsche guy,” “Nissan guy,” or something else?
  • Nick: “I don’t have a type. I just love all cars. My collection's included everything from a 2001 Prius to a 360 Modena to a Hummer.”

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Memorable Quotes

• Nick on Porsche’s EV u-turn:

  “What EV sports car has ever been desirable? Even the Rimac Nevera at a million dollars is not desirable.” [10:47]

• Filippo on Mercedes Unimog prototype:

  “They’re truly trying to figure out—do we want to build this as a standalone model?” [01:18]

• Kenan on Ford’s EV/hybrid backtracking:

  “It is such a weird era…to go from full EV back to plug-in.” [04:47]

• Nick on Hyundai/Kia theft:

  “This turned off a generation of people from buying these cars. An enormous number of people…walk outside and their car’s gone because it turns out you can steal it with a spoon.” [33:29]

• Nick on car brand loyalty:

  “I do not care [about brands]. I like everything… from trucks, cars, sports cars, wagons, SUVs, all of it.” [91:35]

• Filippo teasing his purchase:

  “This is a true bonafide sports car that is well outside the realm of anything I would previously have bought.” [37:37]

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Timestamps for Notable Segments

• Mercedes Unimog Returns & Features: [01:09–03:17]
• Ford F-150 Lightning Canceled / Hybrid Shift: [03:45–08:35]
• Porsche 718 (Cayman/Boxster) Update: [09:15–12:00]
• EU EV Mandates Walkback: [16:29–20:05]
• Nissan Nismo Model Expansion: [20:37–23:41]
• Audi RS3 GT50 Concept & VW Lineup: [23:44–25:38]
• Kia/Hyundai Settlement: [32:35–35:44]
• Filippo’s secret Porsche purchase: [37:30–44:22]
• VW ID. Buzz poor resale: [54:20–58:22]
• Chrysler Prowler debate: [62:30–65:46]
• Q&A: BMW & Ineos Grenadier: [71:30–74:47]
• Q&A: Harry Metcalf’s Maserati Levante: [75:04–77:28]
• Doug’s approach to car collecting: [91:35–93:50]

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Tone & Style

The panel maintains a fast, energetic, and witty conversational tone packed with in-jokes, friendly ribbing, and barbed asides. The hosts blend detailed automotive knowledge with market skepticism and industry cynicism, while never losing sight of car enthusiasm (“Prowler—absolutely the least amount of money you can spend to turn the most heads”). Genuine camaraderie and affection underpin the banter, especially as the Q&A segues into personal history and reflection on the show’s chemistry.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers classic THIS CAR POD! value—fast-paced car news, market reality checks, opinionated debate, and insider anecdotes. Whether you’re a car nerd, collector, or casual fan, it’s a rich (and relatable) survey of the auto world’s latest ups, downs, and absurdities. And yes—Filippo really did buy a Porsche. (Maybe.)

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Next episode: Holiday Q&A special and, finally, Filippo’s new Porsche reveal… unless it never shows up!

Transcript

[Filippo]

So good, so good, so good.

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[Nick]

Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[Kenan]

I am Kenan.

[Filippo]

I'm Filippo.

[Nick]

There's a lot to cover. Let's start with the news.

[Filippo]

Ha.

[Kenan]

Uniform.

[Nick]

Okay, this just was announced like earlier today, so I don't necessarily have all the details. What's the story?

[Filippo]

Okay, so we're celebrating 80 years of the Unimog.

[Nick]

We're getting it a dinosaur shaped birthday.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it's in my calendar.

[Filippo]

So Mercedes has made a like one off, modernized luxurious version of it. It has premium leather, has LED lighting, has a six cylinder engine, all the unmog things. And they are apparently testing it with some customers. At least one customer for the next year or so before deciding whether to build they're leg. It's not like a concept. They're truly trying to figure out, do we want to build this as a standalone model? Do we want to invest in this? And so they're doing some tests for about the next year with customers.

[Nick]

This is cool.

[Kenan]

Absolutely. And this is, I think I speak for whoever oversees their Middle east division of Dubai.

[Nick]

Build it.

[Kenan]

There are customers who will buy this.

[Nick]

Go to the site. Do you remember when I reviewed that unit?

[Filippo]

Of course.

[Nick]

A couple years ago on Cape Cod for God knows what reason I reviewed that one.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Nick]

And see, it changed my life.

[Filippo]

And that had just a four cylinder.

[Nick]

Was it a four cylinder? I tell you, it didn't feel like one. Big cylinders, big cylinders.

[Filippo]

Historically it used to have a 5.1 liter inline four. That one may not have, but that was so cool.

[Nick]

Now I will say it was more a commercial truck than like personally owned. Like it had air brakes. What was it? Go down to see if he's actually read about this four cylinder.

[Filippo]

No, that one did not go up.

[Nick]

It was a 4L one had a turbocharged six cylinder.

[Filippo]

The new one will have a 7.7 liter, six cylinder diesel.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Nick]

That one was incredibly cool. This one looks like a modernized version of it. But as cool as it looks like, it really was like these are like snowplows and they are not like it looks like, oh, I want to have one of those. You don't.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Nick]

You're like, you're like climbing stairs to get in. That's like what it is.

[Filippo]

But this one will have a high grade leather, contrast stitching, leather floor mats. So you know, it's luxurious.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And virtual mirrors.

[Kenan]

Let's see. Arnold Schwarzenegger will buy one for sure. Yeah, I want that. So cool.

[Nick]

He's off that stuff. He's like driver on Escalades now. Every time I see him, he's in an Escalade.

[Kenan]

I think he'll still have this with his stogie. I can see it.

[Nick]

Virtual mirror. So it's not coming to the States?

[Kenan]

Yeah, of course.

[Filippo]

Well, they're not even sure they want to build it. The news article that I saw said they were giving it to one customer for a year, which feels like somebody that really, really paid.

[Nick]

How cool would that be? You live in Switzerland, you get this for a year, you cruise around, you're the only person.

[Filippo]

Yep. And it's worth it.

[Nick]

I do think it's neat that they make. Mercedes Benz has a product line that stretches all the way to this. BMW and Mercedes are purportedly in competition, but come on. Come on.

[Filippo]

Agreed. Agreed. Right, well, that's the biggest news story of the week. Let's downhill from here.

[Nick]

The actual biggest news story of the week as we reported a few weeks ago, as the Wall Street Journal reported, there were rumors that Ford was going to cancel the F150 Lightning, which is their electric pickup, not to be confused with the F150 Thunder, which is their loud, nice. They have confirmed they are going to cancel the F150 Lightning. And Jim Farley did a big thing about how Ford really is kind of going to start to focus on Extended Range EVs. I presume that that means it's plug in hybrids. It was announced also that they're just general hybrids is going to kind of be the Focus.

[Filippo]

Purportedly their extended range EV, which there will be an F150 version of, will be driven by the battery but with a range extending engine.

[Nick]

You know, I hate to say it.

[Filippo]

So not like a I hate to.

[Nick]

Say it and you hate to say it, but plug in hybrids always kind of made the most sense. If we're really being Honest with ourselves.

[Filippo]

And the F150 power boost. Good truck that I didn't plug in.

[Kenan]

But good truck expanding from this further. Thinking about it in a historical context, I wonder how we're going to look back at this era. It is such a weird era of flux to go from full EV back to plug in. And I agree plug in realistically was the correct choice. But like eventually is it going to go back to full ev? Yeah, at some point it will. So it's, it's like a weird like progress dip.

[Nick]

And then, well, you look at globally and globally. EVs are clearly what's being chosen by people.

[Filippo]

About 25% of new vehicles globally, I.

[Nick]

Mean both, both in Europe and in Asia, where, which is, you know, where the majority of these things are. Sales of vehicles are happening outside of North America and that's only increasing. And so yeah, I'll go back. But yes, it is a weird period where we like did a false start.

[Kenan]

On EVs and now we're rolling, everybody's rolling it back, retreated a little from Ford to Porsche, everybody.

[Nick]

But we talked to rj, you know, three, four months ago. He was like, this is short sighted and he's got a, he's got a bias. But he's also probably right. If you look, if you look globally, no matter how much you're like, These are stupid V8s forever. You got to see what's coming in the future. And it's pretty clear where it's going to go.

[Filippo]

And by the way, don't Forget that in 2008, Chevrolet came out with a hybrid SUV and a hybrid pickup truck. Yeah, nobody bought them. Yeah, and there hasn't been a hybrid Tahoe or Silverado since.

[Kenan]

That's because it was a VA with a 9 volt to it still.

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Right.

[Filippo]

Like there was like a surge of movement towards hybrids. Ford had the Escape Hybrid that was incredibly successful, but then the subsequent generation didn't have one. Like there's like a little bit of an ebb and flow. EV would be cool. There was a middle generation when there wasn't.

[Nick]

Which one?

[Filippo]

The not current generation.

[Nick]

When it came out like 13.

[Filippo]

Don't doubt my force cape, hyper knowledge, etc. Will be cool.

[Nick]

It will be.

[Filippo]

The wheels will be powered by the battery, not by the motor. Yeah, fine. They have to write off $18 billion. Some insane, some insane 19.5 crazy because they've invested a ton in this and they're basically saying this isn't going to be successful in the near future. They're probably not wrong. They are also investing in hybrid, as Doug mentioned, also investment in smaller hybrid vehicles. Right now they don't have any small.

[Nick]

You know, it is interesting smaller. One thing we're going to look back on this era and think about is how much of the EV demand was generated by incentive. And I think Ford is looking at the picture and saying there will these incentives will not continue. They don't expect it to continue. You have to imagine a lot of political future predicting going on in Ford boardrooms and in strategy sessions where they're thinking is there going to be another Republican after Trump? Is these, are these things really going to. And based on their, their decisions, they're probably thinking these things aren't going to go back. The ev, the EV incentives are probably not going to return quickly in large numbers.

[Filippo]

Yep. And I will say Ford's investment, they we talked a couple of months ago about investment. They're making like a universal platform for cheaper EVs that Ford is going to build a pickup truck on and a bunch of other vehicles. They're calling it their universal EV platform. They're still continuing to invest in that. But what Jim Farley said yesterday announcing this was the $50,000 plus EV market isn't there. But they think the low price one might still be.

[Nick]

Which it is interesting though. There are driven Certainly there are $50,000 plus EVs that seem to be selling pretty well.

[Filippo]

You know, I saw in November, December.

[Nick]

But like aren't really in still selling. Aren't. Aren't EV9 selling. We see those. I see me economy is okay. Like I do wonder. Not that I think that this is incredibly popular. I think a lot of those vehicles were developed when incentive structures were different than they are now or are developed prim for other markets where EVs are more popular. But nonetheless, it's an interesting thing to just write this investment down and be like, well, it's over. Ford presumably knows that this is going to be coming at some point, but are they thinking that it's 10 years down the road when technology is going to be so different that everything they've invested already is not worth it?

[Filippo]

I do think, I mean Jim Farley has done as one of the more public CEOs, right. He has a ton of interviews, especially in the last couple of months, and he has said very publicly that he thinks a lot of Ford's EV tech is just not competitive. So I also wonder whether there's a little bit of we're going to give up on this EV vertical and invest in These other things.

[Nick]

Well, Xiaomi, sure.

[Filippo]

What are you. Marquez Brown. He did a big review of a Xiaomi.

[Nick]

I did a review of a Xiaomi. I get a text from a buddy of mine the other day. When are you reviewing a show? Me, I'm like, I sent him my link. I'm like, dude, what am I, Google? I did that. It's good. People watched that. It was teal in color. All right, move on to the next.

[Filippo]

More people watch Marquez's song.

[Nick]

Oh my God. Marquez beat me. What is this? This looks weird.

[Filippo]

All right, so this is the successor to the current Cayman Boxster. This is obviously not what it will look like. This is a development.

[Nick]

Talking about cars. We've walked back the EV situation.

[Filippo]

So that is so we knew and we've known for a little bit now that on top of developing an EV version, because originally the 718 successor was going to be all EV. Yeah, they're going to continue the current four cylinder powered 718 Cayman 17 boxer.

[Nick]

Great. That's what everybody likes. That's what everybody likes and wants the four cylinder.

[Filippo]

But they've now said that they're behind the scenes doing a ton of development work to fit gasoline engines and into the EV platform. So on top of continuing the current 718, which might be the 982 generation. Nobody knows.

[Nick]

No. The current one is called the 982.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Nick]

I'm going to tell you a story.

[Filippo]

The 983 will be both EV and gas, but they're having to do a ton of work because they developed it to have a giant battery for.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Filippo]

As part of the core structure. And now we'll also have an engine. Yeah, tough. A lot of engineering work behind that.

[Nick]

You know, even separate from this kind of pullback on EVs. A lot of people were saying five years ago when it was rumored that they were switching this car to ev, that there wasn't going to be a market for it. And I think that was a. I think it was always a mistake. I think even if EVs were full speed ahead and we had elected a Democrat who was still pushing it and in North America it was still strong and globally it was still strong. I think this still would have been a mistake probably. And so, you know, too bad.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Nick]

But I mean, am I wrong? Like, come on.

[Kenan]

No. It's a shame they can't read the writing on the wall.

[Nick]

Of course, what EV sports car has ever been desirable?

[Filippo]

There have been none built.

[Nick]

Even the RIMAC nevera at a million dollars is not desirable. Even the i8 at even it used at $35,000. People aren't fighting like come on.

[Filippo]

I think that there is, we, there's maybe an unknown market for an ev. Torture.

[Nick]

You're right, it's unknown. We don't know anyone who's in it.

[Filippo]

There could be a market legitimately.

[Kenan]

Truly.

[Nick]

What has a bigger market? The Nissan Armada Nismo which I'm reviewing right now or the electric Boxster.

[Filippo]

No comment.

[Kenan]

It's a race to the bottom there.

[Filippo]

It is. Quite a testament to how long they think that it will be before an EV sports car is the most desirable option. That they are not just saying we'll continue the 718 for a couple of years. They're saying we're going to invest tens of hundreds of millions of dollars to fit a gas engine in what we have planned.

[Nick]

Kenan and I will tell you how long it will be before an EV sports car is desirable.

[Kenan]

Math carry the one long time.

[Filippo]

Never long time.

[Kenan]

I don't think it'll for me. Well I don't, I just, I don't know. I'm open to the idea of trying one but like I, I, I don't know like when I, even when I drove like the really early Tesla Roadster it was cool and everything. Was it a great driving experience? Not really. I mean it wasn't like well do I want that?

[Nick]

No.

[Filippo]

Like do you find a four cylinder PDK desirable?

[Nick]

Well the other thing that has been announced is that Porsche is going to start putting in the shifting. They're going to start putting in the shifting now that they've. That was not what they originally said. They've learned they originally were like be a German who's not going to put in electric shifting in their cars.

[Kenan]

Why would we do that? We're not putting it in. That makes no sense. Less efficient. You actually want it to be worse is what you're saying.

[Nick]

That's exactly it. They were interviewed and said that they were like it's less efficient. It's not as fast, it's not as good. Well guess what you mean where like.

[Filippo]

There are sounds that you can then like the Ionic 5N does where it's.

[Nick]

Like it just drives though it's a.

[Kenan]

Feel like it like the ionic 5N.

[Nick]

Shifting is the greatest thing that ever happened to electric cars. There are two great things that happen to electric cars that and the Chevy S10 Electric.

[Filippo]

I'm familiar I don't have that now. We have not almost like we would if we did. We'd Talk about it daily. We've sold some S10s, but we never.

[Nick]

Sold an electric S10.

[Filippo]

If you have an electric S10, which.

[Nick]

What even are we? Is this a real business? If we're not selling electric S10s, how many are around? You know who hasn't sold any electric S10s? US. And also Chevrolet. No, they sold five or eight. Yeah, well, that's universities never personally. Yeah, two universities in 2003. There's a 31 mile range and if it was cold, it was a nine mile range. And when it drove at a walking pace. Anyway, all that's true of the electric Boxster as well. I am so pump for this thing to go back to gas. I don't care if it's a four cylinder. If they do another four liter and it. And by the way, this looks pretty cool. I. This looks like a 911 but duster, I mean they're trying to disguise it, but it's got some wide hips which we liked about the 987. And let's bring it back with a manual. We're doing it. Yep.

[Kenan]

Gas and manuals.

[Nick]

Bring them back. Charger's coming back with a V8. This thing's coming back with a manual V8. You got to assume. No, they don't have a Trump country. We got, we got Republicans filtrating everything.

[Filippo]

Got a hurricane.

[Nick]

Hurricane, by the way, is a great power.

[Filippo]

Tr.

[Nick]

I'm happy with that too.

[Filippo]

There you go.

[Nick]

Have I driven one of those yet? No, you got to get me in one of those.

[Filippo]

All right. If you are fca, I think I dug into one of those.

[Nick]

I still think it's called fca. That's going to be your biggest problem. Stellantis. Stellantis. You're right.

[Filippo]

Wow, tough moment.

[Nick]

Decade now.

[Filippo]

Tough moment.

[Nick]

These people all work for Stellantis cdjr. All right, move on to the next one.

[Filippo]

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[Nick]

You still think it's called Eagle? Oh God. What is this?

[Filippo]

All right, the EU has for a long time been saying that by 2030 they basically will. Excuse me, by 2035 they won't have any gas powered new cars. Right. They were requiring 100 reduction in CO2 emissions from 2021 to 2035. They have basically today reversed that planned ban. There's some stuff, some like logistical, government stuff.

[Nick]

What a surprise.

[Filippo]

Their new rules is that they need to cut it to 10% of 2021 levels. So it'll still be very reliant on a lot of cars going ev. It'll still be very reliant on plug in hybrids, but a lot more room for gas.

[Nick]

I'm gonna give you a little hint, they're gonna roll that back too.

[Filippo]

Agreed. Agreed. That is the new story.

[Nick]

What is China's current percentage of EVs? It's like 50 some percent.

[Filippo]

53.7%.

[Nick]

Even China, which essentially is creating a new economy and new infrastructure and all that, they're only at 53% now. They got 10 years. The EU's got 10 years. Although that clock is a ticking by the way.

[Filippo]

They can also offset, based on the new rules, up to 10% through the use of low carbon steel that's made in the EU through E Fuels and biofuels.

[Nick]

Eu. They make steel in the eu.

[Filippo]

I think they want to. Low carbon steel, no less.

[Nick]

Boy.

[Filippo]

So in other words, walking back a little bit, leaving still kind of pushing for EVs and low emissions, but riding on the wall.

[Nick]

Did they walk back, did they. Did they give a new target date for zero emission? Are they saying 24?

[Filippo]

I don't think they have.

[Nick]

Incredibly, V8s will still live in Europe.

[Kenan]

In this graphic car.

[Filippo]

There are V8s for sale.

[Nick]

Porsche and they have that Turbo V8. Mercedes AMG has Turbo V8. There are Swiss people who still are buying V8s.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

And Italy has those Ferrari and Lamborghini cars. Yeah. You gotta wonder, you remember when they used to used to heavily neuter the cars for America. Like the 308 would have. Like there'd be an America version because of the cats and all this and there'd be a Euro version where it just breathed.

[Kenan]

Yes.

[Nick]

If you ever wonder if there's going to be like a Temerario John Temarion where they do like a four cylinder for Europe because that's all Europe seems.

[Filippo]

Hey, BMW did with E30 in Italy. In Italy and Portugal.

[Kenan]

Yes, yes. With the S4G.

[Nick]

You know what I'm saying though? Like do you wonder if there's a chance that someday they realize like there are still market demand for these big old motors and let's just do them for those countries and. Yes, and the weenie countries who want their pure ev. EV only they can do that too.

[Filippo]

Stellantis tried with the Charger.

[Nick]

It's a, it's a flip ski of the 80s.

[Kenan]

Well, yes, I mean, but it's not. I mean this has been going on for a while. Like America has kind of become the bastion of manual transmissions. Who thought that?

[Nick]

But. But the automakers are not giving us different. Like I'm talking John Temerion four cylinder in Europe John Temarion V10.

[Filippo]

I bet it will happen. I bet it'll happen.

[Nick]

It'll probably happen at least a little.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I mean some of them it would not make sense to make to do for the John Temarian because the volume is low. But you got to assume like Mercedes and BMW will eventually be forced to stop selling V8s in Europe and they can't complete.

[Filippo]

It's already true. Like what are the C class cities trims here? It's a C300 which is a 24 cylinder.

[Nick]

Yeah, all those. Right.

[Filippo]

Like those also exist there, but nobody buys them. Like that's A take rate on them is so low that fundamentally they don't need to exist.

[Nick]

Yeah, but Panamera Turbo and stuff, do you think? I guess my question is one day will there be a Panamera Turbo that in Europe is a EV or a plug in hybrid two cylinder and in the States they still run with the old motor because they still can.

[Filippo]

I truly think so. Yeah.

[Nick]

By the way, we'll finally get the 80s back. Those bad bumpers.

[Kenan]

This is, this is it all. It all comes back around again.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I support those bumpers. By the way, our producer is very proud of this image.

[Kenan]

So yes, It's a carbureted V10 that appears to be bleeding.

[Nick]

Is it a 10?

[Kenan]

Yeah. 1, 2, 3, 4.

[Nick]

Oh yeah, yeah it is. It could be a V9, you don't know. Oh, it does look bleeding. I don't know where we got this picture, but geez. So anyway, this. Every story we ever talk about in news is either some new car that's being revealed and is amazing or automakers and governments rolling back EV mandates. Go to the next news story. Let's hear about more ev.

[Filippo]

Man, it's the opposite Ish. Nissan company that's doing well is going to release 10 new Nismo models to 10.

[Kenan]

That's.

[Nick]

I want to, I want to be.

[Filippo]

They currently have five.

[Nick]

I want to say something for those watching at home right now in the office. We have this car, it's sitting right over there. It's the Nismo Armada.

[Filippo]

Because you know what the SUV needs, large body on frame.

[Nick]

It's crazy. They're doing a high, there's an off road, high performance version of the Armada already. And that's true of every full size, the Tahoe Z71 and Criteria Pro and all that. But they're doing a street performance version, the Nismo Armada.

[Filippo]

Well, we love the GMC Cyclone.

[Nick]

That was a tiny little truck and it double truck. This is a 6100 horsepower car that.

[Filippo]

Has 600 horsepower would be cool.

[Nick]

A 600 pound car that has a Nismo, a body kit and a rear spoiler. It's great. Obviously, in my opinion, this is the Lincoln Blackwood and the Murano Cross Cabriolet of our generation.

[Filippo]

Is there more power?

[Nick]

There is 35 more horsepower.

[Filippo]

Hey, that's gotta be like 5%.

[Nick]

And the engine, as you saw earlier, there's a plaque on the engine that says that it was expertly tuned by the factory.

[Filippo]

The regular, not the engineers, by the factory.

[Nick]

The regular Armada is just tuned. This one. Oh, don't do that is is expertly tuned.

[Filippo]

Okay, well regardless, there will be at least five more.

[Nick]

What else are they coming out with?

[Filippo]

All right, so they're apparently five right now for sale globally.

[Nick]

They're gonna be going up to 10.370Z Armada.

[Filippo]

The. The Nissan Z. It's not 370Z. The Nissan Z. The Armada. In the global variants of the Ariya.

[Nick]

The ev, there's an Aria Nismo. We don't get that. Yep.

[Filippo]

The Skyline. We don't get the AR anymore.

[Nick]

This is the problem. Trump killed evs like the great Aria Nismo, the Skyline sedan. Pull up a picture of the Aria Nismo. Good luck spelling it.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Nick]

AR I Y A I I Skyline sedan.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Apparently exist.

[Nick]

Okay. Oh, we're missing out on this Nissan Europe. Oh my God. Was just making fun of the Europeans. I hope they still send us this car.

[Filippo]

X Trail, which is the rogue, has a off road Nismo edition.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Filippo]

Not in the U.S. what's coming?

[Nick]

What are the new ones coming?

[Filippo]

We expect. We being the community of Nissan enthusiasts. A Leaf Nismo.

[Nick]

What?

[Filippo]

I'm not joking.

[Nick]

Is that the best or the worst.

[Filippo]

On your little list here? Well, there might be a Centro Nismo. It's not gonna. But they have teased one like standalone ish Nismo model. Cause Nismo still goes racing and so I think they might have to do something Grgt Rifle. Right. For that.

[Kenan]

They're really testing the strength of the Nismo brand.

[Filippo]

There is no Nismo brand.

[Nick]

It's gonna be big. You know. You know who's gonna buy these?

[Filippo]

What can you say?

[Nick]

Uber black drivers. Who would they go to? The dealer. And there's a better discount on this than a regular Armada. Yeah, that's. Who's gonna buy these. Yeah, it's like the Avalon trd.

[Filippo]

It's likely to be normal. That are Nismo if I.

[Nick]

Well, I can't wait. Okay, next news.

[Kenan]

Ah, yes. So this is an Audi GT50. Now this is a concept car that Audi has made based on the RS3. Basically every now and again they let their apprentices kind of just let their minds go wild and build something cool. We're marking 50 years since the Audi five cylinder engine came into existence. And so to celebrate that, they set 14 of the young apprentices wild on an Rs3 to make this.

[Nick]

This.

[Kenan]

The things I found that were interesting. The roof comes from an Audi 80, which I think is a very weird thing to use.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

The rest of the car is made out of, you know, kind of fiberglass and stuff like that. Now they said that they aren't going to build this obviously. But nonetheless, I think this is a really cool looking concept.

[Nick]

And we don't build the cool stuff.

[Kenan]

They don't build the cool.

[Nick]

We build the Nismo Armada.

[Kenan]

They're like, we let the young brains go crazy, build something cool and then we say we put it away and we go back to making other hatchbacks and slow cars.

[Filippo]

It's the same Q7 in the hottest segment in the world for nine years.

[Nick]

What's the story with that? Can you figure out something about that?

[Filippo]

Nope.

[Nick]

You got your little bike shirt on. You got any insight?

[Filippo]

But the fact that they've sold literally the same Audi Q7 for the last nine years, explain this to me.

[Nick]

The Volkswagen Group, the Macan, has been the same since it came out. The Q7's been the same. The Q5, these are the hottest cars they have.

[Filippo]

The Q5 got redesigned this year and.

[Nick]

Instead they're coming out with the Q4 Sportback and stuff like that. And the ID4. Yep. Sportback.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Nick]

And the, and the Sportback Sportback.

[Filippo]

Maybe they should let their apprentices like do something a little more valuable.

[Nick]

I don't understand that. This is cool as hell. So obviously of course we're not going to get it.

[Kenan]

But they wanted to tell us about it.

[Nick]

They wanted to tell us about it. They wanted to say we could do this, but instead we're going to do more sloping roof EVS.

[Filippo]

I will say the, the RS3 is cool and it is still five cylinder.

[Kenan]

That's awesome. RS3 is cool. This, I mean imagine if they built this. Yeah, it's so neat.

[Nick]

Which one? I like thing like it.

[Kenan]

I think people would buy it.

[Filippo]

It would be EV like all the Renaults that are.

[Nick]

No, it's a Turbo 5. It's commemorating 50 years of the 5. So you just said.

[Kenan]

They already said.

[Filippo]

I mean if it were to exist.

[Nick]

You know what the problem is really? It's regulations. You know they would send this for sale tomorrow if they didn't have to get it crash tested and all that. And that Trump fellow, the guy who's in the White House there, that guy, he said that he wants K cars. Let's show him this, this. Let's get one of his people, that Stephen Miller fellow, the weird looking bald guy. Let's get him.

[Filippo]

You mean the Stephen Miller is the choice?

[Nick]

What is he not? Is he not that that's him. Let's get him to be interested in this.

[Filippo]

We should.

[Nick]

And then he takes this to the Trump guy. And the Trump guy's like, I want these. What would Trump say if he saw this?

[Kenan]

I like that car. I like the little X. It's got little X's for eyes. It is really cool.

[Filippo]

Well, he's from. Stephen Miller is from LA area. He probably grew up in the car scene.

[Nick]

Oh, he grew up in the car scene. He was Santa Monica, probably Fast and the Furious dude. He probably was the kid who had the Jetta. That's probably based on Stephen Miller. Danger to manifold. When he drove off at Race wars because he didn't want to give up his car, he probably went to Washington. Okay, to our next news story, please. Oh, here's a man in front of an SLS.

[Kenan]

Yes. So it's 2012. No. Yes.

[Nick]

Is this.

[Kenan]

This gentleman is the head designer for Mercedes AMG and he is stepping. Or the chief designer. He's stepping down and he's being replaced now. He actually gave us quite a few great, notable designs. He gave us the slr. He gave us the AMG or sls. AMG gave us the amg.

[Nick]

He's been working there that long.

[Kenan]

But he gave us some questionable designs. He gave us the EQE and the eqs, which you like, but the market doesn't.

[Nick]

I'm looking at this guy's wiki and he did the W221. And so as far as I'm concerned, he a, is absolute master's genius. He's the only great automotive designer who's not Italian in the history of.

[Kenan]

That's an interesting point because. Yes, all automobile designers should be Italian.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Nick]

Oh, he did the R Class.

[Filippo]

Well, that's a good.

[Kenan]

Well, he can't win them all.

[Filippo]

No, he did.

[Nick]

He did win them all.

[Kenan]

So I don't know. This means that there will be a departure for, like, the vision of Mercedes design going forward. But, you know, they said they wanted to be the. What is it? The bad boy of whatever.

[Filippo]

No, that's. That was him.

[Kenan]

That was him. Well, maybe that. Maybe that. Maybe that's why they fired him. That's a bit much.

[Nick]

Fired? They didn't say he was fired. He's only 57. My hope is that this man goes and works at a company that's bringing V8s to the people.

[Filippo]

He was fired.

[Nick]

It's pretty clear.

[Filippo]

But. Yeah, but Bastian Bowdy, the head of AMG Design, will become the head of.

[Nick]

The head of amg. Design's coming right up.

[Filippo]

Great. So you were right. They were. They did want to be the bad boys. You're right. You're right.

[Nick]

It says he steps down. It doesn't say he was fired. I believe everything that large corporations tell me. I think that the Mazda 6 diesel is still only a couple of months away.

[Filippo]

So niche. I love it. Yeah. He is stepping down. Effective now.

[Kenan]

Yeah, effective immediately.

[Nick]

Speaking of people who are out, go to the next news story. We have Jerry McGovern, Land Rover's guy. We reported Jaguar Land Rover, head of design. We reported he was being fired last week. This week. He's not fired anymore. Not fired anymore.

[Filippo]

One of the wild.

[Nick]

They discovered what severance they would have to give in contractually, and they were like, oh, wait a minute, you're back. Come on.

[Filippo]

Their statement, which came about a week or two weeks after the actual news broke, was, it is untrue that we have terminated Jerry Maguire's employment and do not intend the governance employment. I do not intend to further comment on speculative stories.

[Kenan]

How do you think that? Awfully sorry.

[Filippo]

Well, what would happen is they realized that they did something very wrong from an HR perspective and would be sued.

[Nick]

Something weird happened. So it was reported. And we reported, including two weeks ago, two podcasts ago, that. That he was going to get fired. They didn't. When asked by other automotive press at the time, they had no comment.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Nick]

Now, if you're not firing the dude, your comment is, what are you talking about? We're not firing the dude.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Nick]

Then they came out two weeks later, oh, we're not firing the dude. But we decided they wouldn't confirm if.

[Filippo]

He still worked there.

[Nick]

JLR is in turmoil right now between the Jaguar shakeup and the hack and whatever's going on here. This is a situation.

[Kenan]

It's a tough year.

[Nick]

This is a situation. And I'm sitting here. All I want is a new Velar. Like a new redesigned Velar. Nice. And they're out here doing all this corporate drama. Come on, folks. We need a Discovery Sport. We need a Discovery Sport.

[Filippo]

You know, a good one, though.

[Nick]

A good one. Which has never. It hadn't happened yet.

[Filippo]

No, hasn't.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I'm good.

[Filippo]

But he may or may not still be employed and may or may not have been fired. All we know for sure is that he definitely was fired and now there's legal action. That's all we know for sure.

[Nick]

No, I think that it's all. I think that again, I believe the word of multinational conglomerates. When they told me to stop driving the Carrera gt, by God, I didn't drive that car. I certainly didn't put 4,000 miles on it. Between when they told me to stop driving it and when they told me.

[Kenan]

I could drive it again, oh, that would be reckless.

[Nick]

That would be reckless. For God's sake. Jerry McGovern, nice to have you back. It was a tough two week hiatus, but we're so glad you're back because we love all of your design except for all the Jaguars. Do you think he did the I pace?

[Filippo]

Because if so, not a fan of the I pace. But the XC looks good.

[Nick]

You agree that if he did the I pace they should have just fired up men and saved themselves the trouble.

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[Nick]

Okay, although they're doing the oh my God, what's happening there? Our next news story is people hanging out of an Elantra. The Kia boys appears the Kia Boys.

[Filippo]

Pennsylvania Hyundai and Kia have reached a settlement. So for all of COVID turns out base model, especially Kia and Hyundai, very easy to steal because they didn't have a mobilizer and it went out on TikTok like how you would steal it and it turns out that literally any child can pretty much they have reached a settlement that will include Hyundai and Kia offering to add an immobilizer and kind of change the ignition system for any model that is impacted unfortunately, all those cars have been stolen 10 to 20 times by now. Yeah. And they don't exist anymore.

[Nick]

The thing about class actions is that, you know, you just get into these situations where the people don't actually get the money that they deserve. Supposedly they're going to fix the cars, whatever. But like this is. This was really improper behavior from a corporation, to be honest. This was clear that it was going on. This is an obvious thing. Immediately it was discovered the cars started getting stolen. Everybody's Hyundai Kias got stolen. They couldn't get insurance for them anymore. Hyundai Kia dealers were sketch about, oh, we'll just replace it and fix it. And it fixes go right back into the world. This turned off a generation of people from buying these cars. An enormous number of people who bought Hyundais and Kias did so because they are easy cars to get to work. And they walk outside and their car's gone because it turns out you can steal it with a spoon. Like a Honda from 1991.

[Filippo]

Yep. I will say there's a USB drive, I think.

[Nick]

Yeah, whatever. It didn't matter.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Only for the base models didn't have an immobilizer. Somehow, I will say part of the settlement, all future Hyundai Kias must have an immobilizer, which I thought that was true of all cars, pretty much. Turns out. And also they might have to pay up to $4.5 million of restitution to people whose car.

[Nick]

4.5 million is nothing. Nothing. Nothing.

[Filippo]

Truly.

[Nick]

They said they sold 9 million cars nationwide.

[Filippo]

Most of those were not in.

[Nick]

No, 9 million eligible vehicles were sold between 2011 and 22. They were still selling these cars going into. I mean, come on. This started being reported in 1819. For years later, after. Yeah, everybody gets nothing, basically. And they pay some fine and whatever. What's going to actually come out of this is, again, a generation of people is going to say, I will never buy another Hyundai in Kia.

[Filippo]

My sister, who has never owned a Hyundai Ariquia, has said that she would not. She would now not buy a Hyundai Archia as a result. Yeah, she's not into cars. This is like came out of the blue, which is unusual.

[Nick]

I've definitely had people tell me that. And I have definitely recommended these cars to people who then had problems.

[Filippo]

Have they held you liable?

[Nick]

No, but it makes you. It just reminds you at the end of the day why you recommend Toyotas and Hondas to people. You try. You desperately try. You tell your parents to get a Lincoln mkc and they do do.

[Filippo]

And then they do get run over because they press the wrong button and.

[Nick]

Then they accidentally leave it on in the garage and the battery dies because they don't understand all that. And if they just had a RAV4, that wouldn't have happened.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Honda stopped getting stolen in 1998. Everybody knows that.

[Nick]

Honda, Hondas. Yep. Yeah, yeah. 97. The 97 Accord was the last Accord that got stolen. Now if you see 97 accord on the road, you can steal it. I think that's. I think it's just settled law.

[Filippo]

You could just factual.

[Nick]

It's just your.

[Filippo]

It's a good Accord.

[Nick]

It was a good Accord.

[Filippo]

It's a really good Accord.

[Nick]

It was a good Accord. Although I personally prefer the 86 to 89s.

[Filippo]

98 to 02 also pretty solid.

[Nick]

No. 03. The. The best accord. The best accord. Let's move on to 07.

[Filippo]

Not going to agree on this.

[Nick]

Accord changed the world.

[Filippo]

We're not going to agree on this.

[Nick]

That was peak accord. 03 to 07.

[Filippo]

Move on.

[Nick]

They did that Hyper.

[Filippo]

We're going to fight.

[Nick]

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[Filippo]

At the moment, there's a Formula One experience at the United States Grand Prix.

[Nick]

Which is in Texas, which I don't.

[Kenan]

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[Filippo]

There's also much higher.

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[Nick]

Okay.

[Filippo]

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[Nick]

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[Filippo]

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[Nick]

If you're in the right place. We love the Peterson. They are sponsoring the talk car segment. Not sponsoring the talk car segment is Filippo's bicycle shirt. No, it's the Peterson experiences. The Peterson experiences. Okay. I have nothing in the talk car segment today. But you.

[Filippo]

Yes, I bought a. A car more to come. It's not here yet. I've paid for is on my insurance.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Filippo]

It has yet to. It is getting picked up from the seller in the next. It's a shipper. So who knows next few hours or days?

[Kenan]

Next few hours.

[Filippo]

And it will be here at some point later.

[Nick]

You're not going to say what it is?

[Filippo]

I'm not keeping a secret.

[Nick]

Can we guess?

[Filippo]

No.

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[Filippo]

You actively know. And you actively know. So no.

[Nick]

Lincoln LS3 liter with a manual.

[Filippo]

I will say I've not shown either.

[Nick]

Of you any photos of Mazda MX6 V6. No, because MX3 with a small V6.

[Filippo]

Oh, I do like that small V6.

[Nick]

1.8.

[Filippo]

Really?

[Nick]

Yes.

[Filippo]

There's a 1.8 as well. There was 2 liter V6. Yes, there was.

[Kenan]

Now, to be honest, paid for this car.

[Filippo]

I paid for this car.

[Kenan]

It's not here.

[Filippo]

It's not here yet.

[Kenan]

I believe it when it's here.

[Nick]

I agree with that.

[Kenan]

To be honest, I agree with that. I want. Once it's here, then we will celebrate. And I am very happy you succumbed to the peer pressure of the Internet and us.

[Filippo]

We have a good one.

[Nick]

Is it a 4 liter Jeep? Just tell us that. I think the audience deserves to know.

[Filippo]

No, this is a true bonafide sports car that is well outside of the realm of anything I would previously have bought and is close to two and a half, three times the most I've ever spent for my cars. It is more than I've spent for all my cars combined.

[Kenan]

Is it B Monster?

[Nick]

Is it a Lincoln monster Mark 8?

[Filippo]

No.

[Nick]

You would consider that a bonafide sports car though, don't you agree?

[Kenan]

Yes.

[Filippo]

No, this is real. I'm excited to share more about it once it's here.

[Nick]

But you're. Now this is really a tease because next week's podcast we are. We are doing questions because we're not going to film it for Christmas. So you're not actually going to announce the car that you've bought until Friday, January 2nd or even. Are you going to do that? You won't even be on the pod that week.

[Filippo]

I won't be on the pod.

[Nick]

We're not going to know the car until January 9th. We have to tell the audience what the car is. It's a secret. Is it a Ford Contour svt?

[Filippo]

I'M not that cool.

[Kenan]

That would be cool.

[Nick]

All right. Filippo. Folks, Filippo bought a car. You'll never know what it is.

[Filippo]

You'll find out. I. I wanna. I wanna you all to have the full experience.

[Nick]

You'll never know what it is. The full experience. The full experience includes Filippo not telling us for a while.

[Kenan]

If you want to know what it's like. Friends with Filippo. That's what it's like.

[Filippo]

I am very excited about it and I'm excited to do video with it when.

[Kenan]

Well, I'm excited for you Filippo. If it shows up. But I am.

[Filippo]

It will show up.

[Kenan]

If it shows up.

[Filippo]

Better show up. No, it'll be show up. By the way, it's been a great experience. Volvo 440 the podcast too.

[Nick]

Volvo 440.

[Filippo]

No.

[Nick]

Pull a picture of Volvo 440 and zoom in.

[Filippo]

A hint. It's a Porsche.

[Nick]

Oh my God. Porsche.

[Filippo]

And it's not a macan Turbo.

[Nick]

You're a Porsche guy just like the rest of us.

[Kenan]

It is all roads lead.

[Nick]

Pull up. Yeah. That. This one. This one. This one. And zoom in on it because I think we might be able to actually talk him into getting one of these too.

[Filippo]

I do love a good 440.

[Nick]

I truly I've never laid eyes.

[Filippo]

Never seen one. No.

[Nick]

You must have as a young child.

[Filippo]

I see one of the young. Saw one as a young child.

[Nick]

Okay. That's Filippo's big news. The other big news is Filippo's also been handed a car. What's the story with that?

[Filippo]

Yeah. All right. So I mentioned last week that I.

[Nick]

We.

[Filippo]

We. My wife and I have inherited a old Ford pickup.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

I was thankfully wrong.

[Nick]

Wrong.

[Filippo]

And I went out to see it this past weekend. Was in Arizona. It's in 1972.

[Nick]

72 pre.

[Filippo]

Small exempt.

[Nick]

You got so lucky.

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[Filippo]

There's a ton of new parts in it. My late father in law was a mechanic. Like he did a ton of work.

[Nick]

Does it run?

[Filippo]

It apparently ran a few months.

[Nick]

You were there?

[Filippo]

I didn't attempt to start it. To start it. I don't think it looks. I only wasn't there for that long. But it looks like I might need to install a starter and the timing needs to be set. But that's all doable. Especially on a truck like that. That. That's not a hard task. Truly.

[Kenan]

You definitely shouldn't start at the timing.

[Nick]

Correct. Agreed.

[Filippo]

That's why I chose not to.

[Nick]

Why do you think? What do you. What about it makes you think the timing is.

[Filippo]

Well, there's a timing light like, which is what you would have used as like what mechanics use inside the car. My brother in law who helped my late father in law work on it let me know that they hadn't gone to that yet. Okay.

[Nick]

But they.

[Filippo]

It ran. It's like not. I think it's not that far off because it ran.

[Nick]

You're not setting the timing in at all?

[Filippo]

No, no. I will have to get it Diego, somehow and then bring it to a shop that will. That knows how to work on old Ford trucks. The upside is that that's not hard.

[Nick]

You say sport trucks, Ford trucks, but.

[Kenan]

That'S not hard in a way.

[Filippo]

Yeah. And then we'll drive around town.

[Kenan]

So you're going to have a Porsche of some variety and an old 1972 Ford F250.

[Nick]

You got to get blue plates, dude.

[Kenan]

You have to. Oh, you have to.

[Filippo]

I don't think I can order those from dmv.

[Nick]

We'll figure it out.

[Kenan]

There's a way.

[Nick]

Your other update is about the gti. I don't think so.

[Filippo]

In the. I'm going to keep. I'm going to keep. Keep going. So I bought this car.

[Nick]

You bought this car.

[Filippo]

And, and I have this, this Ford F250. Now we're all Porsche people.

[Nick]

You got to hold the mantle. No more Porsches.

[Filippo]

No problem. Reed. As a group, we can't accept any anymore. I'm going to sell the Fiat. We did a little series Doug and I did and Nick out on a drag strip and on a round a track that included my Fiat. I'm going to sell it when that video goes without. I'm also going to sell the gti.

[Nick]

Filippo's selling his gti.

[Filippo]

It's going to be on cars and bids at the end of January. But it's such a good car.

[Nick]

Well, that's the thing.

[Filippo]

We drove it legitimately 1500 miles in the last five days. It's so good.

[Nick]

GTIs are good.

[Filippo]

It's just such a. Everybody hated the Mark 8 and they were wrong. I truly, truly think that they were actively wrong. It's an incredibly good daily driver. It's incredibly comfortable for 500 miles at a time. It's fun to drive. It's more powerful than you expect. The interior is comfortable. Are there things that they got worse compared to the Mark vii? Sure, the interior is a little bit less nice. But it's such a good car.

[Nick]

Be clear. It's such a good car. When. When the GTI hate mark 8 was going on was first revealed. If you go back and watch My video. I did not hate it.

[Filippo]

No. I know.

[Nick]

Everyone else was like this is the worst thing ever. The buttons aren't backlit. So it's an awful car.

[Filippo]

They were actively wrong.

[Nick]

Actively wrong. It was a great car.

[Filippo]

The tech isn't the best but it's fine. It's okay. Also base trim has a of lot.

[Nick]

I'm not even still but it is.

[Filippo]

I don't know why it is such a good car truly.

[Nick]

But that's the thing about GTI is they're all good all round cars. That's what they're. That's what they're great at. That's why it's kind of hard to get away from those in Golf Rs.

[Filippo]

If it were my most valuable car till the Porsche I would keep it. Maybe.

[Nick]

Can't believe you bought a Porsche. The audience is going to collectively world arise and so am I by the way.

[Filippo]

Bought it 1-13-2025 when the auction added.

[Nick]

How many selling 1-13-26.

[Filippo]

How many miles?

[Kenan]

12,009.

[Filippo]

All right. I am currently at 32,700.

[Nick]

Wow. 20,000 miles on this car year.

[Filippo]

Yeah. It's a good car.

[Nick]

Well I'm. I'm glad you liked it. I also like it. I think it's great. You're going. You're going to end up absolutely under no circumstances do I want it so good. You're going to end up replacing your station wagon too.

[Filippo]

Station wagon's going to stick around for a bit. We. We can't change every single car.

[Nick]

My personal belief though is you're going to decide the station wagon isn't as. Why don't you sell the station wagon. Keep the GTI in this port.

[Filippo]

Well okay. I think about this a lot.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

This station wagon which now has 121,000 miles.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

60,000 ish. 55,000 since we bought it. Has also been in two minor accidents. Yeah. Has some additional issues that are not like problematic but are it's a 11 year old car with 120,000 miles. Yeah. The market doesn't think it's worth that much. GTI still has value and also the GTI is not quite big enough for a life. Okay. So the wagon 6 for now I.

[Nick]

Think you should get an E400 type in E400 wagon wagon. By the way I think everyone watching should get any 400 wagon. If you're watching the pod right now.

[Filippo]

That one.

[Nick]

That one specifically because I love these wheels. If I could have these wheels on my car choice. They are the best wheels because they're the, Are they literally plastic? They're the most subtle wheels. They, they just say, I am rich and I do not care about you.

[Filippo]

Are they plastic?

[Nick]

They are the best wheels. Go back to the, to the main page, back to the other one. You would go over these wheels and be like, look at my sport wheels. No, no, you're missing the point of the car.

[Filippo]

I think there is a chance the wagon leaves in the next year.

[Nick]

And for one of these. Filippo, how would you not get one of these? This is the honestly, the greatest Mercedes Benz ever manufactured.

[Filippo]

My wife loves the gti. She feels ambivalent about the wagon, but the wagon, we agree, makes the most sense for her life.

[Nick]

If she had this car, she would.

[Filippo]

Not feel, she would feel even more ambivalent.

[Nick]

No one is ambivalent about this car. No one. Everyone who has one of these is obsessed with it.

[Filippo]

You know what I think she would like? A Range Rover diesel. Oh, four or five something.

[Kenan]

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[Nick]

You have some talk cars for us.

[Kenan]

Yes. Speaking of Mercedes Benzes. So my SL65 is currently in the shop getting some stuff done. It's.

[Nick]

It's a.

[Kenan]

It's first visit to the spa so I'm getting a bunch of stuff done. I'll do a video on it that'll be on my YouTube channel. But it's its first service which makes me nervous. Anytime you take a Mercedes, like any. Any aging German vehicle when it goes in for service is always like please, please, please, please. But nonetheless I'm happy to get you know, done whatever needs to be done and then it'll come back. Then I'll be driving it again. But so far the car has been great.

[Nick]

You're doing drive belts. Couple.

[Kenan]

There are a couple. Yeah. A couple known things I have with the car. So one is the. The drive belts. The serpentine belt. Belt was pretty cracked. It was very old when you do that. I'm also going to do the pulleys cuz the bearings wear out over time. I don't have any record of it having been done in the past and I have most of the records. So doing that and then it's got the windshield washer reservoir I know is leaking and so I'm replacing that. So a couple of things like that. So we'll certainly see. I'm. But we'll.

[Filippo]

You're replacing the reservoir?

[Kenan]

Yeah, it turned out it was one of the tubes. This is very common with the R230 chassis.

[Filippo]

Mine also leaked. I'm not joking.

[Kenan]

Yeah. I suspect they changed the design.

[Filippo]

Put a little bit tape.

[Kenan]

Well, I'm doing it as per the usual. I'm doing it properly for the record. So I don't. We'll see what it. How much it'll be when it comes back. I also learned we're going to do like alignment. I'm going to have the wheel bearings are adjustable on the R230 which I don't know what that means or how that works but those are being adjusted and realigned. So.

[Nick]

Okay. So a little work on that.

[Kenan]

Little work on that.

[Nick]

So otherwise as you are thinking about getting rid of it for a Viper, you know I can't.

[Kenan]

You. Yes. You were not elegant about how you said that I was going to get rid of the sl. I have to say, you know, I drove it a lot the other week. And I really enjoyed it. The engine is a masterpiece. But I just can't stop staring at the. I'm staring at it now we have a Viper. The McDonald's Viper and the the office. And I just can't stop think I didn't dream I bought one.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Kenan]

The other night. And so I'm like as much as. Look that smug face.

[Filippo]

You claimed a few weeks ago that you would have the SL till car week.

[Nick]

No chance.

[Filippo]

And then did I.

[Nick]

No, I said Valentine's Day, right?

[Kenan]

Valentine's Day.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I don't know if things lasting that long. C sl.

[Kenan]

I don't know. It is a great car but like the Viper's just so cool. So I, I don't know.

[Filippo]

You got to keep it for about.

[Nick]

You know. There were people before you bought the sl, some people who said you should have gotten a Viper.

[Kenan]

Well, there were none on them available.

[Nick]

Pull up.

[Kenan]

Remember the contacts there.

[Nick]

Type in Viper RT, SL10. There were none. What about this one? Well, what about this one?

[Kenan]

That wasn't around at the time. I bought it in October.

[Filippo]

And what about the one before that was in October.

[Nick]

That was November 3rd, dude. Yeah, we listed in October. You're welcome.

[Kenan]

Well no, I'd already gotten the car by that early October.

[Nick]

It was October 28th. I got a bunch of these. Let's keep scrolling.

[Kenan]

This one maybe I should have but it had a reserve on it so I couldn't look.

[Nick]

My point is flexible. My point is go down. My point is there were people and by the way there's that other website.

[Filippo]

Autotrader.Com cars.com that's where we found cars.

[Nick]

What I'm telling you is you could have had an RT10 and you should have and now you regret it and you.

[Kenan]

Well, it popped up, up. It was like there were just. I, I so I'm. I think I've also decided I want a gen 1.5 or gen 2.

[Nick]

Really?

[Kenan]

Yeah. The gen ones just don't like driving around in that car. That car is supposed to be quite a bit better than the Gen 1 and I. It's crude at best.

[Nick]

So what are you saying? That is a 1.5.

[Kenan]

That's a 1.5. So I'm saying a 1.5 or a 2. The 1.5 is interesting because they only may have been 96 and they're only the special color ones that the white one and I think it's silver but I can't remember remember. So a gen 1.5 would be amazing. I like that one. Honestly, that one would be pretty great.

[Nick]

But you're saying it's cr. I don't understand. You're saying it. You.

[Kenan]

I'm saying a woman, if that is as crude as I think is a one must be even more like.

[Nick]

They're not less adjustable. They're not that different.

[Kenan]

I upgrades based on my. It's jumping power, though. I think it goes up to 400.

[Nick]

How about a 197?

[Kenan]

Blue, white. Those are 100 grand.

[Nick]

Those are 80 to 100. You spend real money to get a real car. Carol. Shelby, dude. Shelby.

[Kenan]

Yeah. I mean, I don't want to spend quite that much. I. I still. And I also. I want a convertible as much as I like the gts, but I think.

[Nick]

Well, you go and get an open roof.

[Kenan]

Well, yeah, sorry. Not a convertible. A Barketta, but I don't. I just. I can't stop thinking about the Viper. I. I just think I want to scratch that itch. As great as the sl. It is a great car.

[Nick]

You agree? Spring. It's gone. Is it even going to last till spring? Wow. Folks, if you're looking for a white SL that's just had the SERP belt replaced and the washer fluid reservoir, this is the car. Kenan will sell it to you and he wants a Viper. We ain't seeing nothing.

[Kenan]

When's that Viper go live? In February.

[Nick]

I'm going to tell you something in the future. Can you guys just listen to. I wanted one.

[Kenan]

There wasn't one around, and Nick brought it to me, and it was just. It was the. It was the right car. It was cool, and I really wanted.

[Nick]

To bought a car. You've bought a car that you should have bought two years ago that I told you you should have bought two years ago, and you're now salivating at the idea of a car that you should have bought a year ago that I told you you should have bought a year ago. And I didn't say either of you should buy a G, a GTI, or an SL6.

[Kenan]

Actually, we all were at one breakfast when he brought it up. That street was raining. You remember?

[Filippo]

No. Yeah, I do remember. By the way, even if I would look two years ago, I don't think I could have found the car. Interesting.

[Nick]

Both of you. Oh, they. They didn't exist.

[Kenan]

What's around at the time?

[Nick]

Are you saying your car's only a year old? Your Porsche that you bought is everything.

[Filippo]

I'm saying that there are none for sale at any given moment, and it took the current owner a year.

[Nick]

There's none for sale. It took the Corona a year to find it.

[Filippo]

It's a career GT. There actually, I think are more courageous right now.

[Nick]

959.

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Kenan]

No, I think about a sand yellow kind Turbo.

[Nick]

You bought a Puffy.

[Kenan]

That was one you gotta wait for.

[Nick]

So you're buying a Viper. You're selling your sl?

[Kenan]

I'm not selling it.

[Nick]

Can I, can I, can I. Can I just suggest something? And I'm dead serious about this. Next time you're thinking about a car, just come to me and ask what you should get and I'll tell you and then you can save all the trouble.

[Filippo]

Last time I didn't ask anybody, including my wife. And we've all loved it. So I just keep going with that strategy.

[Nick]

That's fair. Okay, we gotta move on to the market report, which is an interesting place to look at him. He's looking at Vipers. While we're moving on to the market report. The market report this week actually has a sponsor. It's brought to you by Kenan's regret.

[Kenan]

It runs deep.

[Nick]

Kennan's regret. When you buy something but should have bought what Doug said. Did you not buy what I said? Just to be. Just because you didn't want to give into that because it was around. It wasn't around. We just pulled up.

[Kenan]

There were no Vipers around.

[Nick]

Not a single Viper was around available in the whole of the winter and fall and spring and summer.

[Kenan]

I was looking for first gens and they weren't popping.

[Nick]

They didn't exist. The Viper. There was a hiatus. What happened was there was a hiatus in Vipers. They took a little break.

[Kenan]

No, the owners went, I know what I have. And they kept them. That's what happened.

[Nick]

The market report is brought to you by Kenan's regret. Speaking of regrets, can we talk about the ID buzz? We had an ID Buzz on the site the other day. By the way, I love the ID Buzz. I think it's the coolest car on set. We had a first edition on the site the other day. Scroll down. How many miles were this vehicle? 1800. Basically a new car. Where is it? Was that Wisconsin?

[Kenan]

Indiana.

[Nick]

It was bid to and did not sell for 42,000 United States dollars. The sticker on this was what, 80, 65. 65 for a first edition?

[Filippo]

67 including destination. Yeah.

[Nick]

Yikes. Now, normally I'd look at this and say cars and bids. What a horrible company. They can't even get anywhere near a sticker. I would that, but I've been on auto.

[Filippo]

Yeah, you've seen what sticker is.

[Nick]

Let me tell you something. There are dealers with brand new ones that have never been sold to anybody that are asking not much more than this. Nope. Needless to say, the ID buzz hasn't really been the rip roaring success we were all hoping for. Maybe because the bid to price is where the sticker price should have been.

[Filippo]

And also they should have had the short version. And maybe they should have had more than the 200 miles it has at this point.

[Nick]

Is it just pride that they're not bringing the short version? The short version is obviously what would cure the ails of this car, but they made a product planning decision. And Volkswagen, over my lifetime has made the worst product planning decisions of any car company. And so you have in. In some.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Nick]

And so here's another bad one. But yeah, no Volkswagen. I mean, dude, going B5 on the Passat, making it a luxury car instead of a Camry competitor, the Tuareg, really taking the Tuareg. And instead of going after the Highlander, trying to compete with the M class.

[Filippo]

The B5 Passat was exceptional.

[Nick]

It was, but it made no sense. Volkswagen wanted, wanted volume at the time in the US and they couldn't understand why Americans weren't buying a car, a turbocharged passat that was 8 grand more than a Camry.

[Filippo]

But then they did it with NMS and failed.

[Nick]

Eventually they were forced 15 years and they came out with the atlas.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

20 years after. They actually should have. They should have called me up back then. Much like Kenan showed us six months ago.

[Filippo]

Atlas still the first generation.

[Kenan]

Still staring at that Viper. Didn't hear a word you said.

[Filippo]

To be fair, we're talking about something else you can do.

[Kenan]

This makes me sad though, because I wanted this to be a success. I think it's so cool. And when I do see them around San Diego, which admittedly is not common, this is the market for them. I think they're so cool.

[Nick]

One of the coolest new cars on sale. Maybe the single coolest new car on sale short of like million dollar stuff.

[Filippo]

So cool.

[Nick]

I totally agree, but the market just does not want it at the $68,000 price point that it's at. And this no sale at 43. Three seems a little low to me, but I suspect it's a little low because people are looking at this saying, I could go buy a new one at a dealer for 45.

[Kenan]

Right.

[Filippo]

Would you buy one? Yeah. A couple kids.

[Nick]

I would. I even asked my wife the other day, would you be interested in one? She Was like, I would drive it.

[Kenan]

You know who should get it? It's Nick. Crazy Nick should get one.

[Filippo]

You should get one.

[Nick]

I would. I would seriously consider it. I think they're cool.

[Filippo]

Let's go. Let's go together. We'll. We'll go to the Volkswagen dealership, see.

[Nick]

What I'm interested in. A new one. I think if I were to do it doesn't matter. I think if I were to do it, it's like a year, 18 months from now when they're probably like 37. But I'm. I'm not. I'm not. My wife is like the number one candidate for an electric car. I don't think she's ever driven more than seven miles in her life. And. And these are. They're cool and they got a lot of space.

[Filippo]

And I think it'd be an exceptional choice.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Yep. Yeah.

[Nick]

So.

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I don't know.

[Kenan]

I don't know. It makes me sad for 43.

[Nick]

It's pretty.

[Filippo]

It's getting a appealing. Real appealing.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

But it also makes me wonder then, will Volkswagen ever take a risk like this ever again?

[Filippo]

Well, I think that it's doing okay in Europe. When I go. When I.

[Nick]

They're all Europe.

[Filippo]

ID buzzes and ID4s are everywhere.

[Nick]

Sure.

[Kenan]

But I mean this.

[Nick]

Sorry for this one.

[Filippo]

Well, I don't.

[Kenan]

I. No, that's what I'm worth.

[Filippo]

So. Definitely just refreshed Volkswagen Taluses and Atlases where the only thing that changes a new light bar forever in perpetuity. Forever.

[Nick]

The Atlas is just when. If I know someone's not into cars, they drive it on Atlas.

[Kenan]

That's true.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Like if you just know someone's like, I don't know what the car. I bought a Volkswagen. I don't know what it is. Something.

[Filippo]

Plus, we can say whatever we want.

[Nick]

Cuz no Atlas, no Atlas owner is currently listening to this pod.

[Filippo]

Early Atlas owners.

[Nick]

You think they're early Atlas who like modding them? They're like dropping them.

[Filippo]

Yes. Yeah. Truly. Okay, wait, wait. We auctioned one that was like that.

[Nick]

Really?

[Filippo]

I think so did we.

[Nick]

We. Oh, damn. 9,600 bucks. That's how the used market appreciates the Atlas. This is the only good Atlas ever made. It looks like a sequoia.

[Kenan]

It does.

[Nick]

Good.

[Filippo]

I don't hate the Atlas. Also, Volkswagen fans, we appreciate you.

[Nick]

All right, let's talk about. Let's talk about green manual cayenne again, very briefly, because I don't want to do a whole.

[Filippo]

There was a separate green manual cayenne.

[Nick]

We had a third one sold for 40.

[Filippo]

Like the right number by the way. I view this as them coming down. I view them as this one's worth less because the spec was a little worth the mileage a lot higher.

[Nick]

Yeah but also the market's seen them now. People aren't going to go as crazy. 40 is still a ton of money for a 12 year old.

[Kenan]

What is a $15,000 car if it was an auto?

[Nick]

It's oh defin $9000.

[Filippo]

Agreed.

[Nick]

I mean it's still a huge premium to pay and I think it's cool. I think, I think it's a neat car.

[Filippo]

I remember in like we, Ken and I have both been working here for quite a while. I remember in like 2021 one we sold a couple of manual kayons and there was one that was auburn metallic that sold for 26,750.

[Nick]

It's down there.

[Filippo]

And that felt if you filter for manual.

[Nick]

Dude, I know.

[Filippo]

So much money.

[Nick]

That was such a good buy too. It looked so good. It was this one, right?

[Filippo]

Oh, I was thinking of that one but that one too. That one sold for 30. Which was the first one to crack that silver wheel.

[Nick]

Silver the wheels.

[Kenan]

89,000.

[Nick]

Yeah, I, I guess that's not that far off market.

[Filippo]

No, but like that felt so high. And now that we had this like second peak of the nicest, most interesting ones selling for $125,000 and then $70,000, I've knocked.

[Nick]

That's a first gen, that's a. I've knocked the Cayenne stick because it's not that fun to drive but like for 25, I don't know, it's a cool Porsche and It's like the E2 which is what we called the Cayenne when I worked there. It's technically called the 92A although Porsche Louis have named it the 958 themselves. The 920A Cayenne which came out in a of lot 11 has proven itself to me in my mind like that.

[Filippo]

It'S been around for 14 years.

[Nick]

It's been around for a long time. They've redesigned it but it has only gotten uglier. And I still like the 11s the best. The 11 to 1314 is the best and they've turned out to be pretty reliable. Good.

[Filippo]

Every spec has nice cars to drive.

[Kenan]

I still want a turbo at some point. I really like this course.

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[Nick]

What about a prowler?

[Kenan]

No.

[Filippo]

Can we talk about the prowlers?

[Nick]

You have the prowler on your.

[Filippo]

No. Prowlers are not appreciated by the market.

[Nick]

The market? You guys are all wrong. It's the market who is wrong.

[Filippo]

Like I. My theory is that although we all think that they should be worth something, they will never be worth anything.

[Nick]

Go back. Go back to. Go to the. This one. Go to that red one. How is that a $22,000 car?

[Filippo]

It's a. That is so cool Chrysler product with a mediocre V6 and an automatic.

[Nick]

Yeah, but how is that a 22? Look at this. This is a concept car.

[Kenan]

I'm telling you. You do that. You do the V8 conversion. Like rock Rock.

[Nick]

I think the Prowler is the absolutely the least amount of money you can spend to turn the most heads. It is the coolest thing in the world. I am a massive prowler in the. I think they are. So the fact that this existed in the era of regulations is crazy.

[Filippo]

I agree. But it seems like people are willing to spend about $25,000 for the best ones.

[Nick]

I can't believe it's 25. Folks. People are always writing into us and saying, what's the best car I can get for 25 prowler? What's. What if I have kids and I need Prowler? What I'm looking under.

[Filippo]

You put them in the trailer.

[Nick]

Under 40 grand. Here's under 40 grand. And I'm in Canada and I'm choosing between an M3 prowler.

[Filippo]

This segment sponsored by Yuri of the straight pipes.

[Nick]

He's got still his.

[Filippo]

I think he may have sold it. We like you.

[Nick]

I just think it is the coolest damn car for this money. It is so. And don't take off the bumpers, because part of what makes this car cool is the fact that somehow from a regulatory perspective, they got the government to agree that these bumpers were an acceptable alternative.

[Filippo]

I don't know.

[Nick]

To actual technology with no bumpers. Also, look, this car is so cool. For $22,000. How is this a 22 car?

[Filippo]

I remember when Yuri was selling his. And maybe he has sold it, maybe he hasn't. He was like, I can't put it on an auction site because the market doesn't really support the value that I think. It's a red one.

[Nick]

Look at those seats. Go to the seats. Go to the interior. Look at these seats. You could be sitting in these. In these. In these comfortable thrones where the headrest.

[Kenan]

Is also the roll bar.

[Nick]

Ignore autos stick. Ignore the fact that it's got auto stick, the world's worst transmission. This is a cool car. Filippo. You.

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You.

[Nick]

Why don't you get one of these instead of whatever Porsche you got? Filippo. Prowler.

[Filippo]

I don't buy automatic cars, but, yeah, you got.

[Nick]

Dude, let's do a stick swap. Me and Kenner will do a stick swap with a couple of cold ones.

[Filippo]

What would you swap it from?

[Nick]

What would I swap it?

[Kenan]

There are kits to do this Hellcat.

[Nick]

I put the whole Hellcat drivetrain in it.

[Filippo]

That'd be good. It must exist.

[Nick]

They got stick Hellcats out there.

[Kenan]

Eviscerate that chest.

[Filippo]

It does exist.

[Nick]

Yeah. We call it the Heller.

[Filippo]

If you have a Prowler, a Heller Pro Cat.

[Kenan]

Prowl cat.

[Filippo]

Sell it here, dude. Yuri, sell your folks.

[Nick]

Prowler people, none of whom are watching, because they're all boomers, right? Prowler people, I love you. I love your cars. I want to come to one of your Prowler rallies. The one they happen in, like, Tulsa, and they all come with their trailers, and I just want to be part of it. I'm not even. I'm not kidding. I know I'm sounding like an idiot, as I often do, but I love this car. For $22,000.

[Filippo]

Have you reviewed one?

[Nick]

A long time ago. I want to review another one. Filippo, find me a Prowler to review.

[Filippo]

Eight years ago.

[Nick]

Find me a new mail truck to review.

[Filippo]

Oh, I know.

[Nick]

And find me a Six cylinder, new Challenger Charger, whatever it's called.

[Filippo]

By the way, I was corrected. The mail trucks are not built in Wisconsin. Oshkosh.

[Nick]

They're built in South Carolina. We discovered covered that they're built by non union labor. For God's sake. Anything about that?

[Filippo]

Driven by union labor.

[Kenan]

God exists.

[Nick]

Nick did some political stuff on the.

[Filippo]

Oh, did he?

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Oh, man.

[Nick]

Nick goes in both political directions. It's a seesaw. He starts by saying he wouldn't buy anything from Bezos and then he eventually goes off the other way anyway.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it's a ride.

[Nick]

Enjoy. Okay. What? You'll see.

[Filippo]

I know his life. He buys things from Jeff Be.

[Nick]

No, he says he allegedly. Time for the questions. The questions are sponsored. The questions are sponsored by Filippo not telling us what car he's getting in three weeks. We hate it. You hate it.

[Kenan]

Welcome to our live.

[Nick]

The Plymouth Prowler is the only greatness in our world.

[Filippo]

I can't tell people what it is until I see it in person. I haven't seen it in person. Person.

[Kenan]

That's.

[Nick]

You know what? I think that's fair. I actually think that's.

[Filippo]

I mean, I know what card is.

[Kenan]

Someone say that maybe you shouldn't have mentioned to. I don't know. It's here. But what's the fun?

[Nick]

I think he wanted people to get off his case. This is actually a pretty good limbo period for Filippo. He bought a car so they're not mad at him anymore, but they're not mad at him about what car he. Perfect.

[Filippo]

Spend the money. We're not in limbo.

[Kenan]

Nothing. Instead of like. What people were annoyed at was that you would just flip flop back and forth between cars.

[Nick]

No, but I think if he had said nothing. It's still. Filippo hasn't bought a car, so now we know he's bought a car. So we're happy and we don't know what it is yet. So we're not yet mad at him. Because inevitably when people find out what the car is, they're going to be mad at him. He should be mad at me. He shouldn't have said it was a Porsche, honestly. Because people are going to be mad already. We already look like a Porsche podcast because I got two of these stupid cars. Well, I look like Jerry Seinfeld.

[Filippo]

I gave two options for the kinds of cars I would. Considering they were both Porsches. I think it was known by the way, this is one of them.

[Nick]

Seinfeld made an unbelievable point on Spike the other day. I don't. I love Spike. Dearly, dear, dear to my heart. I don't really listen to a lot of pods, except for if whistling had one, I would. I bet his audience isn't really much of a pod audience, though, anyway.

[Kenan]

No, they don't listen, they don't read.

[Nick]

There's a horrible to say about our beloved whistling.

[Kenan]

I'm a member of that audience. I love his stuff.

[Nick]

There's a short going around where Seinfeld says the problem with modern car design is that there is not any kind of confidence anymore. And he specifically called out BMW cars from your era. They designed them in this subtle way that just exuded, like, we don't have to go and make cars shouty to prove that we're awesome because we have confidence. And in today's world, you know, the screens light up and red and blue and the giant wheels and there's an M badge on every corner. There's not confidence. And I've been trying to say stuff like that for so long and I've said variations of it but never stop so succinctly and so correctly. It's a lack of confidence. When you look back at car design that we loved so much, these automakers just. They felt that they didn't have to shout. And to an extent, there are still some like that Audi is like that, in my mind, kind of still. But BMW has so gone away from that. And that's exactly what it is. It's like they're like they're backed into a corner and shouting about how cool they have to be perceived as.

[Kenan]

Which is interesting because you'd think that the brand, brand equity is so high as it is. It's an aspirational brand and has been for a long time. So why do you feel the need to continue to shout about. If anything, you should be even more subtle than.

[Nick]

My generation is an aspirational brand. And they don't have to be like that, but they are. And in part because they know that's kind of what people want. But, like, there's an argument for, like, delivering, for, like creating taste.

[Kenan]

You know what it.

[Nick]

Yeah, I thought it was a great point.

[Kenan]

It is. It is a great point. Things. Well, but things do develop over time and do have to get a lot of. Like, for instance, your tagline, this. You watch that Prowler video back, it sounds like you're depressed.

[Nick]

I have. This is a. I have no confidence. I'm willing to admit that. But BMW, yeah, a global manufacture.

[Kenan]

Yeah, fair enough point.

[Filippo]

They're following trends, not drive, not like delivering what they Think this is not.

[Kenan]

I mean, it's certainly not alone. They're not alone.

[Nick]

No. I even think the argument could be applied to an enormous number of.

[Kenan]

I even think Ferrari. Like, I think this car is not particularly, like, shouty or anything like that. It's very subtle.

[Nick]

It's like, yes, this is a car designed by a designer who has confidence in what the brand is and what. What the buyers will be. That was, the buyer gets in the car. He knows what it is. He has confidence when he drives it. The right people will know what it is. He doesn't care. Now, Ferrari, there's not that they have to show. Everybody's got to be seen. Oh, I got to prove to people what I am. And that confidence is lost.

[Kenan]

But not at that time.

[Nick]

So tokens, groups, smaller number of buyers who are willing to accept this. If they came out with this car today, you and me would go crazy. But a lot of their buyers would be like, nah, you know, it doesn't. It's not cool enough.

[Filippo]

The dirty shield injury is suffering from that. It's more understated than every other Ferrari designed. And I think people like it less.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I don't know. But it is also so expensive and impossible to get.

[Nick]

I can get one. You want to get one? I guarantee we can go to Ferrari today, get one. We can get one.

[Kenan]

I don't know.

[Nick]

This ain't the same Ferrari five years ago.

[Kenan]

I don't know. My uncle's still waiting on his order a while. Well, yes, this is.

[Nick]

We should get an order in.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Yes. Like a red. Yeah, red tan base.

[Nick]

It didn't used to be that way.

[Kenan]

I don't know. You guys spent a lot. I don't know.

[Nick]

599. We couldn't have gotten order in 599. We would have walked in there, been like, sir, how about a. How about a Quattro Porte? That's what you're ready for.

[Kenan]

Your speed.

[Nick]

Okay. Questions are sponsored by Kenan's regret. First question from Toast565. One of the great questions we've ever been asked. Completely unrealistic. Don't look at the question questions.

[Filippo]

You're out.

[Nick]

He cheats. But why doesn't BMW buy out ineos automotive division? BMW gains a real G wagon competitor. They're already making the powertrains. Ineos gets to sell the same product, but now has a reputable brand backing it. And they probably get out of the financial situation, which I have a suspicion is not so strong.

[Kenan]

I have an answer for this because INEOS has sold cars to everybody who will buy one. If BMW buys it, they're not going to sell any cars.

[Nick]

Yeah, but I bet you that BMW took the Greenwich Grenadier. BMW could spend real money and develop a baby Grenadier, a three row Grenadier, A, et cetera, et cetera and probably make it a little bit more tolerable for a larger audience. Do like an evoke Grenadier that's like also capable but a little more beautiful and suddenly have an A credible off roader today as opposed to, to be.

[Kenan]

Clear, I don't think it's a bad idea. I mean it would kind of make sense, but this is the thing they, that seems logical. Ergo BMW will not do it.

[Filippo]

I don't think it advances them in any meaningful way. They could recreate the Grenadier with a way that matches their design.

[Nick]

I totally disagree with that.

[Filippo]

I don't think the grandeur is that impressive of engineering fee.

[Nick]

Have you talked to rich guys who like to be perceived as adventurous? All of them want a grenade?

[Filippo]

No, no. I agree that it's a great direction. I don't think that BMW couldn't recreate that if they felt like going down that road. Yeah, I don't think it like advances it anymore.

[Nick]

In a short time, INEOS has managed to convince all these rich guys that they need a Grenad.

[Filippo]

You see him around Southern California.

[Nick]

You see him around. And every rich guy that I know answer. Oh, I got a Grenadier. I'm like, all right, well cool.

[Filippo]

They like the pub.

[Kenan]

They like the B58.

[Nick]

The point is. Yeah, and that's the thing. BMW is already doing the powertrain. The car is, is, is built in France. They'd have to do some work there, right. God knows.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Germans don't.

[Filippo]

BMW parts a lot of switch gear.

[Nick]

Right.

[Filippo]

BMW.

[Nick]

Ton of BMW stuff in that car. The, the, the infotainment is all BMW and I think the Grenadier brand is already like more strong than I, I disagree. I think that BMW coming out with a XX or whatever they would call a G Wagon competitor would, would, would take some time to build credibility that the Grenadier already has.

[Filippo]

Do they? Was it a bespoke chassis?

[Nick]

The Grenadier? Presumably one of the, one of the, the, the undiscussed thing here is that INEOS is a massive corporation themselves and maybe may not appreciate this. They may be like, now we're good.

[Filippo]

Especially because they was founded from a couple of guys who run the INEOS corporation that Decided they wanted a very specific thing. They wanted the Defender to have kind of continued in the way it was. And maybe they're not interested in selling and then just losing that market again.

[Nick]

Maybe you do wonder though, like BMW wants this. They're already providing the motors. They're already there. They're probably in trouble financially not selling a lot of cars. Why doesn't BMW come in, integrate some, integrate some platforms? We got, we got a situation. They got a real Land Rover competitor tomorrow.

[Filippo]

Why didn't they build it years ago? They don't seem to care about this market.

[Kenan]

Distracted by the XM because they don't feel.

[Nick]

They don't. They didn't understand what made the G Wagon success.

[Filippo]

You think they now they do because.

[Nick]

Remember Audi has come out and said they want to do a G Wagon. BMW has intimated that they all realize what made it successful was the boxes. It wasn't a market position, it was a capability and a design.

[Filippo]

But if they cared enough, they would have built it. Well, hey, you start seeing renderings, you would start seeing a trickle out and it hasn't.

[Kenan]

They've got a new chairman now, so maybe he will think differently. Maybe this will happen.

[Nick]

I wouldn't be shocked if BMW is definitely going to go after G Wagon. This is what they should do. Toast. 565 is absolutely brilliant.

[Kenan]

And then make a unimog version of it to compete with.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You know, on the subject of SUVs that aren't selling, noblesse oblige asks. Hello, what do you think about Harry Metcalf buying a Levante Trofeo? Okay. I, we, we, we worship at the altar of Harry Metcalf. On this podcast.

[Kenan]

Every Sunday I go to church and then Harry. It's better known as Harry Metcalf's.

[Nick]

You've never seen a Harry video?

[Filippo]

No. To search for and you find out.

[Nick]

Type in you heard Harry.

[Kenan]

Do you spell Harry?

[Filippo]

Spell that, that calf hard.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Filippo]

Is that the name of the channel?

[Nick]

Harry is my favorite automotive youtuber and I agree with a lot of what he says. He's more into the old stuff than, than we are. But we have some crossover.

[Kenan]

There's some English bias. Of course.

[Nick]

There's definitely some English bias. He's at the, he's at the gas station this morning with his Lotus Elon measuring its weight. It's like all right Harry. But he bought a used Levante Trofeo as sort of a get around car. We have often. This is a tough one for us because we have said great things about Harry. And we have made fun of Maserati, not the Tro. This is an important point. I reviewed the Levante Trofeo when it was new and said it was actually a pretty damn good car. It drives fantastically. It is the all. I actually thought all Levantes drove pretty well, but they were overpriced and that included the Trofeo. I presume he bought this for nothing.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Nick]

As a used car that was his.

[Kenan]

Point was he couldn't get over how inexpensive it was.

[Nick]

And. And truly the Levante is a nice driving car and the Trofeo was a legit situation.

[Filippo]

590 horsepower.

[Nick]

Think about that.

[Filippo]

Twin turbo V8 power.

[Nick]

Twin turbo V8. It's not a joke car.

[Kenan]

And also to be clear, and he makes this point in the video that he did that he's owned Maseratis forever. In the 90s he was buying Maseratis when no one was buying Maseratis. So like he likes that brand. And so. So like I. They have had some bad cars. The buy Turbo, the Ghibli, the.

[Nick]

A lot of modern stuff.

[Kenan]

But there are some compelling cars within what they've built.

[Nick]

I would even argue that almost every Maserati modern one which we've made tons of fun of is pretty compelling at a price point. At a price point like a Ghibli at 8 which is kind of where they're getting.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Where are they right now?

[Nick]

It starts to be kind of appealing and the Levante Trofeo. Pull up. Levantes. Have we sold a lot?

[Filippo]

We sold a bunch of Levantes and only we've auctioned two trofaos. The last one failed to me reserve at $40,000,000. Yeah.

[Nick]

Nonetheless, I mean in the 18 to.

[Filippo]

24 range of 424 horsepower. Good looking SUV.

[Nick]

Yeah. I always felt that these were attractive. They always were attractive. Look at this. I mean this is a pretty cool car. That's a cool looking thing. I always felt they were attractive. I always felt they were desirable. I just never felt they were desirable or attractive at sticker. And if you go back to my Levante Trofeo video video which was years ago, I make that point and I. I support Harry and I think once again the man is brilliant. He's a. He's ahead of us all.

[Kenan]

Yes. And he always will be.

[Nick]

He always will be. We'll always be following in Harry's footsteps.

[Filippo]

What's the smaller the Gric. Holly whatever. The sporty one also pretty decent.

[Nick]

It's decent at it. But they haven't been out long enough to have depreciated. Plus Harry. Harry needs more space. Dude, Harry's got a farm.

[Kenan]

Montrot is like fine wine.

[Nick]

Harry's got horses. He does.

[Kenan]

He's got cattle is cows.

[Nick]

He's. He's going to have a cow give birth. Birth in the back of this car. That's what happens on farm.

[Kenan]

But they are like fine wine. As time goes on and they depreciate, they become much better.

[Filippo]

Sure.

[Nick]

I don't know about that. I think they become just as bad or good, but much cheaper. Next question. Hey, Doug from Kato 2500. You mentioned on the last podcast that you only want to own sports cars with manual transmissions without except for a few exceptions. What are the exceptions? Kenan, why don't you enlighten the audience?

[Kenan]

Let's see. Exceptions.

[Nick]

I don't know the answer myself, so I'm curious.

[Kenan]

Nick owns an slr, so you wouldn't do that. Although before you bought it, you were.

[Nick]

Kind of thinking, yeah, not seriously, but yeah, that'd be up there.

[Kenan]

Auto sports cars.

[Nick]

Dorado for sure. 430 scoot for sure.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Swap that less and less.

[Nick]

I'd probably swap it. 575, 599 for sure. And then 575 Super America.

[Filippo]

Yeah, y.

[Nick]

All those cars I'd probably swap.

[Kenan]

That's the thing. I think the. The spirit of the question is what would I actually use except as an automatic?

[Nick]

Yeah, they.

[Kenan]

Well, yeah, you wouldn't. You wouldn't want one at any number.

[Nick]

No, I. At some number. It's appealing. It's just so hard to own and I just don't need that in my life. I would own a vay if I didn't have to deal with some of the other.

[Kenan]

You had tons of money. Sheer on as a daily. You've mentioned you would do definitely that.

[Filippo]

Aston sport break thing.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Nick]

That Vanquish is good. A shooting break would be. Would be definitely top. It'd be one of the few. Vanquish the Goddo shooting break. Stirrado430 Scud Super America. What's he saying?

[Kenan]

Project eight.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah. We've been on a big project eight. Pull up a project eight. I don't know if you guys remember this car. Speaking of Harry, but Jaguar a couple of years ago made a car with a big cat on the side. And click on that one because it's got the cat really big and big.

[Kenan]

The big cat package.

[Nick]

I. This car was. Although it's. It looks here like a race car. It was a car you could Buy as a person.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Nick]

And these were sold to people, not many of them because no one wanted it. But it was a Jaguar XE which is their BMW 3 Series competitor.

[Filippo]

Good looking car.

[Nick]

And it had, it had, it had 590 horsepower, I think. Yeah, 590 horsepower. To this day it's still almost 100 horsepower above the current M3 a decade later, like this was the stupidest thing that ever existed. And I've definitely talked about and legitimately would consider buying one of these. They only made 300 of them for the world and that's automatic.

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[Nick]

I like that. Yes.

[Kenan]

And Harry was very involved with that project.

[Nick]

Harry was very involved with it. Which actually has meaning to me.

[Kenan]

You can have Harry Metcalf. Probably an art.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

In your.

[Nick]

I'm serious though. One of my problems with this car though, to be. To be frank, that I. One reason I haven't gone after it is that like I. I would want a bigger cat on the side. Yeah.

[Filippo]

The cat needs to be larger. I agree.

[Nick]

And I think, I don't know why they did it. So subtle. I don't know what they were. Cat goes over half the car.

[Filippo]

Why didn't it cross through the window?

[Nick]

I want a full cat.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Nick]

You know, these were offered. I. I've discovered something about this car. They were offered with no back seats, but they weren't. I challenge you Internet to find me one.

[Kenan]

Well, this one has a cage in it, so I'm guessing this one.

[Nick]

There were a couple press cars clearly that were made without back seats. And there are press photos but when they come up for sale they got back seats. It's like how the demon. You could get no passenger seat and it have a bucket there instead.

[Filippo]

They all have.

[Nick]

They all have a passenger seat. Nobody actually wants the car with no ac.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I mean heinous car with ridiculous. And I want one so badly as a result.

[Filippo]

Result.

[Nick]

Yeah. That's a good list. Thank you. You got any autos you want? No. Not one.

[Filippo]

Not really.

[Nick]

You wouldn't get a project 8.

[Filippo]

No.

[Nick]

Are you kidding?

[Filippo]

No. You drive. You wouldn't drive around different.

[Nick]

You wouldn't drive around in a Cat car.

[Filippo]

It's not about the cat.

[Nick]

Just.

[Filippo]

I've never had a Jaguar.

[Nick]

I was interested, but it's got 592 horsepower. People talk about the Black Wing. This is something I understand. People are, oh, the Black Wing. The Black Wing. You know what's got more power than the Black Wing? The cat car.

[Kenan]

No, it doesn't.

[Nick]

What does the black wing have?

[Kenan]

660 horsepower. 658.

[Nick]

Damn. The black Wing is insane. We should get a black. We could put a cat on the side of it. I will point out, though. I will point out that the Blackwing is the next size class up.

[Filippo]

That's one of the reasons the 4V Blackwing also gets. But it's less power.

[Kenan]

I still want one.

[Nick]

That's the thing. The CT4V Blackwing does exist, but it's still 120 horsepower less than the cat car. The cat car is stupid powerful.

[Filippo]

Yep. And more powerful than a Levante Trophy.

[Kenan]

I don't want that one.

[Nick]

It's more power than anything. Dude, we're following anything. Yep, it's Jaguar's Hellcat. Okay, next question. We have a couple moments for a couple more questions. Oh, here's a good one. It's about you guys from Shmurda. Doug, when you were starting the podcast, did you ever have other co hosts in mind? Or did you always know it would be the current team in your eyes? What do Kenan and Filippo bring to the table? Or what did they bring to the table?

[Filippo]

Oh, damn. Well, agreed. I mean, fundamentally agreed.

[Nick]

You need to understand something with this podcast. Okay? We are the number one automotive podcast, by God. But we only started doing this because we worked. Someone had an idea, and Filippo was in the office that day. Sort of worked out. We didn't intend for this to happen. Would I replace these two if I could? Of course I would.

[Filippo]

I would. Yeah.

[Nick]

Instead of Filippo, I would have the cat on the side of the project.

[Filippo]

Because you have just an entire project. 8.

[Nick]

He would just sit. No, I wouldn't do that. That's ridiculous. Don't be stupid.

[Filippo]

Crazy.

[Nick]

Just the cat. And instead of Kenan, I would have Harry Metcalf fly in every week.

[Filippo]

Worth it.

[Kenan]

That. Oh, that would be amazing. I'd listen to that. The cat would be a little much, but Harry would be great.

[Nick]

Harry. And I'd be talking to the cat and go, yes.

[Kenan]

Anyway, how do you think Harry would do the intro?

[Nick]

Kennan and Filippo. The reason this podcast is so successful, successful, which no one talks about because no one knows, is that Kenan and Felipe were my personal friends long before we had a podcast.

[Kenan]

Yes. To be clear, this is what it's like having conversations with us. We just don't have a screen and talk about the news generally, but often.

[Nick]

I wish the pod was being filmed an hour before we filmed the pot.

[Kenan]

You'd hear some stuff just as good.

[Nick]

And sometimes way less appropriate.

[Filippo]

We can't quit everything Nick says in a normal conversation. Yeah. He has to himself down so much that it's make it possible for editor to physically do their job.

[Nick]

So anyway, the answer is. Of course, I always knew it was them. There was no other option. It was just like, hey, guys, you want to do a podcast?

[Filippo]

So true.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

All right. We tried a live show for a while that was in the series.

[Nick]

Were you part of that?

[Filippo]

I. I was in a couple of them. We had some other guests.

[Kenan]

Zach Platinum was. Yeah, I've been on every single. I was on all of those and most of these, but. Yes. Yeah.

[Filippo]

Try some other.

[Kenan]

Was our first guest. That's true.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, this. This podcast works great because we were all friends before. I've known Felipe Filippo since. Since he was a child.

[Filippo]

By the way.

[Nick]

What's that? 11 years. 11 years I've known Felipe.

[Kenan]

That's crazy.

[Filippo]

But I've known Kenneth for five now.

[Kenan]

Yeah. And I've known you for six.

[Nick]

Six or seven. Yeah. So crazy. That's why the pod works when you watch it. And I always see the comments. People like these guys get on so well. Well, the reason is because that. That's. We are.

[Kenan]

That's not me.

[Filippo]

I also want to make it really clear. We also all hate each other, but.

[Kenan]

That'S not really no Johansson. Well, now I know where you stand.

[Nick]

Same with Nick. Nick is also our friend. Whoever else we bring on, it's only my friends. When.

[Filippo]

When.

[Nick]

When the company got. When private equity showed up, they were like, you need more people. It can't all be Doug. And so we tried some more people, and then what we realized is we only. I. It only ever worked if it was people I liked. And that's why Top Gear was so successful. Those guys, although they weren't personal friends beforehand, they developed that rapport.

[Kenan]

That's not true. They were. They were friends. All friends beforehand.

[Nick]

But.

[Kenan]

Yeah, but it developed beautiful.

[Nick]

Developed beautifully, worked so great. And I think that's why it works so great here. And by the way, one thing we didn't mention, speaking of podcasts and Matt Farah, who we know whose car is live right now. Matt Farah's NSX is currently on the car.

[Kenan]

There he is driving it.

[Nick]

Oh wow.

[Filippo]

He looks cool. Also great picture OE wheels. Good choice.

[Kenan]

That's absolutely going to be, absolutely going to be the feature.

[Nick]

Back to OE wheels. Matt Farah nsx. This is a really, really cherry late production NS NSX currently live on cars and bids for you to bid on and buy and own. Super, super, super excited to see this car on the site.

[Filippo]

I'm so glad he put the OE wheels back on.

[Kenan]

Yeah, that was such.

[Nick]

The OE wheels look great. His looked fine. It's just a really nice car. What's the, what's the mileage?

[Filippo]

20,000.

[Nick]

20,000 miles. He drove it a little bit. He told me he got all he wanted out of it and had a good time with it. I love these cars. I'm, I've become like the biggest NSX guy and especially these late ones are just so, so, so enjoyable to, to drive, to use Matt Farah's car. This is a very rare late, late, late NA2NSX owned by the man himself, the king of all automotive.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I agree with that description of Matt Farah.

[Nick]

Okay, I'm gonna do two more questions. Two, number one from Bear at the controls.

[Filippo]

Seven.

[Nick]

Oh, Doug, what's the worst or weirdest car that you saw in the background in a rich dude's collection that you were visiting to video? Something cool. It's an interesting question. Every rich dude whose collection I go to has some weird. Whatever he's got something. There's never been a time where I've walked in and it's just been F40, F50, Enzo. There's usually in the corner over there there's like something weird. But I'll tell you the weirdest one. The fellow who I'm still in touch with him, the fellow who owned the rosso Vic Diablo 6.0 that I reviewed probably ten years ago. Yeah, he was and is and he told me this. He still is a massive enthusiast of the first generation Infiniti Q45.

[Filippo]

No way.

[Nick]

And every time one comes up on bring the trailer and on our site he buys and he's bought. He's got 10 infinity, the first generation.

[Filippo]

Only the LS400 base we're talking about.

[Nick]

We don't very rarely sell them, but it's, it's. Let's pull up a nice one.

[Filippo]

The one that's based on the LS400.

[Nick]

This box body. It's this body Q45. Yeah, he, he goes and buys. It's not based on the LS. No way.

[Filippo]

The very first generation Q45 shared a lot of parts.

[Nick]

Who told you this?

[Filippo]

Fact piece of factual information.

[Nick]

Fact check this guy. Anyway, any that was. That was probably the strangest.

[Filippo]

Did you not know that?

[Nick]

That was probably the strangest of the. He had a crazy collection. I also reviewed his Rolls Royce Wraith which was a brand new car at the time. It was like a 400 car and he had like 6v8 original body Q45s. Very strange. But every one of them has.

[Kenan]

We all have our thing. Even if I, if I. What's the lottery at current 1.25. 1.25 if I won that I would still have ether. I would then buy and rescue Clap D39s and save them. That's would be my.

[Nick]

That's where the money would go. Eventually he'd run out of money. Right.

[Kenan]

That's the way to take a large fortune, make a small fortune out of it.

[Nick]

Right. Next question from Coran.

[Filippo]

I want.

[Nick]

This is a good question for you, Felipe. I want to list my 1971 K5 Blazer but since it's a topless car, should I wait till spring or just post it now? What are your thoughts on selling convertibles in the winter? What do you want to say? You're trying to hit a revenue target for the year so you're probably put it on the site. Get her up.

[Filippo]

But I think, I think it depends a little bit on the car specifics and where you live. Truly there is some upside to waiting until things get a little bit warmer. So people like once are have the horizon, the end of winter on the horizon. If you're somewhere that's cold, there is some value that. But I think that that happens sooner than you expect. That does not mean wait till June. That means wait till like March, February, March.

[Nick]

Yeah, I agree with that. I also think a more dailyable convertible you don't necessarily have to wait like a 440. I agree.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And also you don't necessarily want to wait if it's a heavily depreciating convertible because I don't necessarily know that the four like if it's November and you want to wait till March. I don't necessarily know that five months is going to be a better situation if you're trying to sell like a new 440.

[Filippo]

I certainly would not be.

[Nick]

Yeah, two year old car. You're going to probably lose about as much of depreciation as you'd gain with the seasonality. A 71k5 Blazer in all honesty, I would wait on that. I would wait till the spring.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

That's a car. Nobody wants to take out an old blazer in the winter. It's like. It's all metal. You hurt yourself on it, like when you're cold, you know?

[Kenan]

I know exactly what you mean.

[Nick]

Yeah, exactly.

[Kenan]

Done it.

[Nick]

Yep. I would wait. I would wait the spring, but I gen. I wouldn't necessarily. On all cars.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I'm trying to say.

[Filippo]

Oh, sorry.

[Nick]

There are some benefits if you. If you sell a convertible in the spring and you're the only guy up with a nice, you know, 987 Boxer Spider. Here in SoCal, we don't distinguish. I mean, we've all bought convertibles in the. In the. In the cold months. Yeah.

[Kenan]

Bought my 355 in. In November.

[Nick]

I bought the G Wagon October, the Porsche, the Courage in February. Like, we do it here in California. So it's not like that out of the realm. But. But I think you have a larger audience in the spring for most convertibles. Definitely. Okay, last question. Final question. You haven't found anything. LS400. I'm trying to verify why I thought this.

[Filippo]

And I. I haven't gotten there yet, but I. There's something there.

[Nick]

He's gonna get destroyed in the car. Yeah. These two competitive companies, both trying to launch luxury brands at the same time, are like, hey, let's team up.

[Filippo]

There's something there.

[Nick]

This is typical.

[Filippo]

Keep going. Keep going up here.

[Nick]

I got it. I've taught him everything he knows about. About cars. He came to me one day, little boy, hat on hand. He said, teach me. Teach me. So I did. I taught him. I swear that what I'm saying is.

[Filippo]

Factually accurate, but I can't prove it yet.

[Nick]

Okay, final question from Spyro76. No, let's do from just the tip. We already covered the other one from just the tip. We've heard that Doug is not a Porsche guy, not a Nissan guy, not a G wagon convertible guy. Boy, that's true. Not a collector, not a classic car guy, not a truck guy. What kind of guy is Doug? A Sequoia guy. What else is left?

[Kenan]

He's the type of guy.

[Nick]

I. I don't distinguish the thing. The thing that I think makes people don't quite understand about me is that I love all cars. All car. Like, I was thinking about this earlier today. I cannot think of a single brand whose car I have not either owned or spent like three nights until 3am on AutoTrader searching for perfect examples of. There's not a. I've owned. If you look at my car history, which now has 37, 38 cars that goes like this. Volvo, Audi, Volkswagen, Toyota, Ford, BMW, Lotus, Cadillac, Mercedes, Porsche, Land Rover, Nissan. I don't. I don't. This isn't. I don't.

[Kenan]

I'm not.

[Nick]

I just love all. And I think a lot of people are uncomfortable about that and try to put someone into a box because they themselves are typically oh, I only like BMWs. I only like trucks. I prefer Audis, whatever. And they're like shocked that someone. I'm like this with airlines too. I don't. I'm not. I like. Philippa will only fly his one airline.

[Filippo]

I will fly whichever airline is cheapest to get me the period.

[Nick]

I do not care. I don't discriminate. I don't. I don't have a type. I don't have a thing. I have off road trucks and convertible trucks and crazy sports cars and I'll do it all. And it just so happens that the last car I bought happened to be a Porsche that I wanted. But my list still has other cars that aren't Porsches. And I promise I will eventually sell that Porsche probably for a Supra. And then I go into the Japanese realm. He's still over here.

[Filippo]

I have a freak trying to find.

[Kenan]

He was looking for it on the site. Now he wasn't Googling it anywhere else.

[Filippo]

Now he's finally.

[Kenan]

Google is out there.

[Filippo]

No, no, I swear.

[Nick]

Anyway, that's the answer. Filippo, do you agree?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

He isn't paying attention. He is.

[Filippo]

No shock.

[Nick]

I decided to go. You've been around when I bought a lot of cars.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I. You are one of the. If I had to pick someone who I'd say is agnostic to brand, who's just an enthusiast of things with forward wheels. That's you. Yeah. And it just so happens that you've settled on the. You have gotten to a point where in your life where you can buy the dream stuff and so you have. But if you mean you've owned 37 cars before that and they are. They are so diverse and there's just a smattering of interesting.

[Nick]

I had an 01 Prius.

[Kenan]

Yeah, that's. I mean briefly.

[Nick]

I had a CTS V Wagon, an 01 Prius, a Hum, a 360mo Moda and a Hummer all in together.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Kenan]

The only person in history.

[Nick]

I just don't. I like what. I like everything. I like everything. And I had a Kia and I don't. There's nothing that I sit there and be like, I wouldn't buy that because of that brand. There are certain cars I wouldn't buy because of some of the connotations that the particular car provides, including, yes, that's our friend behind me. But that's certainly not true about brand. I really just am not. I'm into everything. Trucks, cars, sports cars, wagons, SUVs, all of it.

[Kenan]

Very admirable. I wish I could.

[Nick]

Filippo. That's our podcast for this week and for the year. We have another podcast coming up next week, but we're not recording it live. It's just going to be questions from last week's because we're not filming on Christmas. Filippo, do you have any holiday thoughts for our audience?

[Filippo]

When you go home to your family, which hopefully some of you are doing, go judge your siblings, your parents, their neighbors, neighbor's cars.

[Nick]

Oh, that's so true.

[Filippo]

All to do on Christmas.

[Kenan]

Be judgmental.

[Nick]

Kenan, you got any holiday thoughts for our viewers?

[Kenan]

I. I hope you all your automotive dreams come true. Wow. You know, I hope that. I hope that you're able to buy cars. Like, Filippo is here. And yeah, just wish everybody a very.

[Filippo]

Happy holidays accomplishment of 2025.

[Nick]

Filippo bought a Porsche. Find out in the new year, we'll find out what it is and what trouble it's getting.

[Kenan]

Maybe not. It might not show up.

[Nick]

It will. I don't know why you think?

[Kenan]

Because, like, he doesn't. It's like he. He doesn't have anything. He paid. Doesn't have the title. It's like the guy could disappear tomorrow.

[Nick]

Oh, that's a good point. Where's the title?

[Kenan]

With the.

[Nick]

Is it in transit?

[Filippo]

It's going to ship out today, right?

[Nick]

Okay.

[Filippo]

Not with the car.

[Kenan]

Anyway, I trust that number's not going to work. F's going to call. It's going to be disconnected.

[Nick]

Goodbye, everyone. Good luck, Fibo. Merry holidays.

[Filippo]

Have a bill of sale. It's okay.