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Doug DeMuro
Hello and welcome to this car pod.
Filippo
I'm Filippo.
Doug DeMuro
I'm Nick Kenan is gone, but we do have Ryan Lopez over there. Time for the news.
Filippo
All right, most important news story.
Doug DeMuro
First, the Honda Odyssey. Nothing's happening to it.
Filippo
Yeah, pretty much.
Nick Kenan
That is the news story beloved by CPAs and people like Filippo.
Doug DeMuro
Everywhere, people like Filippo. The news story, responsible adults. The news story is this. Honda apparently spent so much money on their EVs. Well, lost so much money on their EVs. Like the prologue to which there was, it was a prologue to. There never became a story that they had to do. They are delaying the redesigns of a lot of their new core products for multiple years, including the Odyssey, which supposedly might be delayed now till 2030.
Filippo
That car came out in 2017.
Doug DeMuro
The current Odyssey came out in 2017. I reviewed it in Rancho Santa Margherita. It was one of my favorite videos. And did you review the vacuum? The whole thing? It was a big deal. And it's not just the Odyssey. It's maybe the new Accord. It's maybe the new Civic.
Filippo
Correct. The HR V, the MDX, the next generation MDX.
Doug DeMuro
This is a big deal.
Filippo
31.
Doug DeMuro
This is a big deal because Honda as a company pretty much relies on these core products to exist. They only basically have six core products as a, as a car. And then they have Acura, which has maybe one core product or two. And so the EV thing was such a massive loss for them that the Odyssey, these, these cars, these big competitive cars that Honda relies on to bring them money and sales and profitability are going to just get older and older and older. The Odyssey is highlighted because its chief rival was the Toyota Sienna was redesigned a couple years ago and went hybrid and went all wheel drive, neither of which the Odyssey offers.
Filippo
And the Carnival also hybrid. I can't remember if it has a hybrid version is a new product.
Doug DeMuro
Everyone I know who has an Odyssey only did so because Siennas weren't available, which is still true. There's so much demand for the Sienna that they're knocking down Toyota dealer doors. And this is sort of like a second choice. And it's unusual because my entire life, Honda has never been a second choice. It has been a brand that, like you, you actively seek out and buy. Nissan is your. If you can't qualify for a Honda or if you can't afford one, you go buy a Nissan. Well, as these cars get older and older, the current Accord has also already been out for a few years. The Civic has already been out for a few years. You run product life cycle on a minivan. We'll see. Right? We'll see what happens to Honda's profitability and numbers as these cars start to get older and older. And presumably sales continue to decline.
Filippo
By the way, they're not the only ones. Right? Like, we'll talk about the Macan in a minute. That's been one product left Cycle forever. Because they planned on having an EV replacement that is just not going to really come right to fruition. The Macan EV exists. The Odyssey 2017-2030. The Accord came out in 2023, will be at least 2030 before there's a redesign.
Doug DeMuro
So we're four miles long.
Filippo
Life cycles.
Doug DeMuro
When I was a kid, four years was a core generation.
Filippo
That's right.
Doug DeMuro
Civic was what Civic was. Even. Even it was 21.
Filippo
A couple of Civic was 23 also.
Doug DeMuro
But regardless, if we're taking these things to 2030, these cars, this is heavy competition in these segments.
Nick Kenan
Is it though? There's four minivans available. To your point, they can do nothing and still be a solid second place,
Doug DeMuro
which is why this is going to work and why it has worked already up until this point. However, compact sedan is already not particularly profitable segment with Civic, if you can't create an innovative vehicle, you're going to have trouble. Same with Accord. You said it affects hrv, which is one of the really big segments right now. CR V was just redesigned, so they
Filippo
have some space time, thankfully.
Doug DeMuro
But you have to assume that if it pushes out all the other ones, you're not going to necessarily see some real development on CRV and Pilot that may also push out those. And you're basically talking about an entire generation of cars that Honda will skip like one life cycle that Honda's going to.
Filippo
They can't be competitive to do that also especially because most of their products, the Accord and Civic aside, are not hybrid. Hybrid products like the MDX which came out in 22 will not be redesigned until 2031.
Doug DeMuro
Crazy.
Filippo
So that's an incredibly long life cycle in an ultra competitive luxury mid size SUV segment without real powertrain development, without real feature development, with interiors that are dated to the early 2000s when everybody's on the screens. By the way, Acura, which will not have the RDX anymore, will have a 10 year old, 8 year old, 9 year old MDX as their other core product.
Doug DeMuro
Right.
Filippo
That's not a great situation to be
Nick Kenan
at the SUVs would worry me. I think even the sedans, like that's also a dying segment. Like I, I would coast on those and just win based on name and then put everything in suv.
Doug DeMuro
And the.
Filippo
The CRV is a new competitive product. They have some time. But they should be 2025 the.
Doug DeMuro
But still, you remember there was a hybrid MDX for like an afternoon. Of course there was Briefly a hybrid MDX.
Filippo
There was briefly a hybrid MDX2 Captain's Ro. Really fun fact.
Doug DeMuro
Briefly. But then it went away. But in Honda's defense, it was prior gen. Yeah, in Honda's defense, and I do want to defend them, it was hard to see this coming because the Lexus RX400 Hybrid came out in 2006 and who the hell knew? Who the hell Knew? It's been 20 years but we had to wait and see.
Filippo
It just makes me worried, especially in the light of Kia, Hyundai obviously on an immense product offensive, trying to get as many really competitive products out as they can. Toyota is in the middle of a huge hybridization push where pretty much every Toyota that comes out is hybrid only.
Doug DeMuro
Totally.
Filippo
And it's selling well.
Doug DeMuro
You had to assume that what the plan was was that they were going to let Odyssey go until an EV could replace it.
Filippo
They're canceling entirely by the way, this year. Really decided thankfully not to. Thankfully.
Doug DeMuro
But that was probably their plan because they didn't develop hybrid versions of these cars. Even though other automakers were even including Mazda, who for years is like we're not going to do hybrids. We're just going to get better fuel economy out of gas engines. Well eventually everybody caved. Honda still hasn't. And when do you ever see Honda behind?
Filippo
Well, it used to be kind of
Doug DeMuro
always in a lot, in a lot of segments like off road SUVs but it's rare to see them behind with their core. Those seven cars are so important to Honda. They're so important that they've always done a great job of making sure they are the best products in their segment. And when they came out, I truly think the new Civic and the new Accord were the best products in the segment. This was the best product in its segment when it came out.
Filippo
2017.
Doug DeMuro
Pilot's very competitive. CRV is very competitive.
Filippo
Just worry about what is coming. So they've obviously stopped the drive towards EV.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah.
Filippo
Have they? Will the 2030 product offensive? Have hybrids plug in hybrids? Things that the market is probably 2030
Doug DeMuro
is four years from now. I know next man Trump isn't even be president anymore.
Nick Kenan
My man. I think actually the wait and see strategy is not the craziest with all of the turmoil in the market between tariffs EVs but it's not by choice.
Filippo
It's not a strategy. They don't have any money to invest
Doug DeMuro
in products maybe and other brands have newer products that are.
Nick Kenan
Honda gets all its buyers for the people that go to the newsstands and buy Consumer Reports and say hey this is super reliable. That's all they care about. They don't need the bells and whistles.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah.
Nick Kenan
They just want to know is it going to break down.
Doug DeMuro
The problem is though, no cars break down anymore. And Honda is those people who you're mentioning are generally older. And I think Honda is going to get into a situation where they are not attracting as many new people as they are getting old people who are not holding onto cars forever or not buying cars as much. And I think that if they don't sit here with something appealing, a sports car, a brand new whatever, you're going to just sort of have attrition. What would stop someone from going and buying a brand new Hyundai with a giant screen? Some of the tech in these cars is like the Odyssey. Tech is like pretty insane. A buddy of mine has a brand new Odyssey. He says there's not a single USB C. It's all USB A which is
Filippo
fine except for the fact that USB C ports became the norm in every new car three years ago. Obviously we still have every cord for every version.
Doug DeMuro
Whatever. That's, that's just an example. You should play with all the tech in new Hondas. It's, it's behind it's old. It's not what it some point you
Filippo
worry about is their driver safety stuff as good. Is their safety in general as good. If they have a 13 year old product for.
Doug DeMuro
For a family.
Filippo
And by the way, I want to reiterate the point. Acura, which doesn't. Won't have the RDX, will have a 9 year old MDX by that. But Filippo will have an Integra whose life cycle has been expanded by three years and still doesn't sell well as is new. Your. Your Acura's.
Doug DeMuro
You're forgetting maybe intentionally. Oh yeah.
Filippo
Which car am I forgetting? I am forgetting a car.
Doug DeMuro
The ADX is going to save Acura. The audience is watching. They're thinking what the hell is the 80x?
Filippo
I was next to an ADX yesterday.
Doug DeMuro
That's more than I've seen. All right, next news story on the same topic. Mercedes Benz is doing V8s.
Nick Kenan
Doug, I don't know if you know much, but AMG, big V8 company.
Doug DeMuro
Big V8 company.
Nick Kenan
I got one actually. You should try it out.
Doug DeMuro
They do V8s, although currently what they do is turbo four cylinders in the C63.
Nick Kenan
You loved it, right?
Filippo
Probably.
Doug DeMuro
Man, I saw one of those on the road. I was. What would, what would have to happen
Nick Kenan
for you to grab one of those insanely steel.
Doug DeMuro
What, what, what number?
Nick Kenan
199amonth.
Doug DeMuro
Really? If it was 199 you'd pick one up cuz Charger.
Nick Kenan
These were cuz then it's just a hybrid, you know, commuter car at that point. That's slightly fun. Maybe 299 loud.
Filippo
A little 299. It would be a deal. I'll accept that. You'd get1@299 I personally, there was nothing that could buy or lease a new high performance sedan.
Doug DeMuro
What do you mean? Not a black wing, nothing. Ooh.
Filippo
Find a good high performance sedan.
Nick Kenan
Yeah.
Filippo
With a V8, tell me to buy a mediocre one.
Nick Kenan
If we're going to get a performance sedan, you want a performance engine in it. I don't know. Part of the definition AMG is saying
Doug DeMuro
they're doing a new V8 this year. There's a lot of reasons why this is a big news story. The fact that they're doing a new V8. Apparently it's derived from an existing Mercedes Benz powertrain. The thing that's the most interesting about it to me is that now it's been years since there's been an E63 and we have the M5 and we have the RS6 which pretty much compete. I don't want to say uncontested by Mercedes Benz because there's an E53, but
Filippo
ultimately uncontested by Mercedes Benz, it's uncontested
Doug DeMuro
at that performance level which is crazy because Mercedes Benz kind of especially in the States. Mercedes Benz created that segment with high performance wagons. And I'm curious if this powertrain will find its way into an E class.
Filippo
They've said that they're going to put these first in their SUV products. So the GLS GLE maybe it's based on the M177EVO and the new S class and it's going to be a flat plane crank V8 apparently. So yeah. Gle GLS as the starting point and then some of the other cars, probably
Doug DeMuro
the current AMG Twin Turbo V8 is a fantastic powertrain. Great to see that they are doing it. They have not committed under any circumstances to doing this powertrain in a C class, which I think is what that's
Filippo
going to be their six cylinder offering.
Doug DeMuro
So they're saying they're going to do a C53 with a six cylinder but that does leave room for a C63
Filippo
especially in the US right. So I think some of their decision making and why the 53 models will exist in some markets that will be the top product for missions reasons. Wouldn't you gotta imagine the US you can get away with it.
Doug DeMuro
Wouldn't it be ironic after all this time if Mercedes Benz Porsche, who's kind of already implied this, starts making products for the US market that aren't sold in Europe starts making like performance products for the US did it with the E60. Yeah, but that was like kind of a rare one off. Weird thing. Imagine if there are actual powertrains.
Nick Kenan
I mean America's got the economy, it's got the buyers.
Doug DeMuro
Totally.
Nick Kenan
And EVs are going to kill it in APAC. Right. Like Zee Curves of the world and BYDs are taking over. So then America is one of the best markets for internal combustion engines. Especially big Honda.
Doug DeMuro
We have the cheapest gas, the only market because it used to be that there were parts of Europe where you could sell these cars and still make money. There were people in Switzerland, there were people in Germany. But now the government in Europe is kind of making sure that these vehicles no longer.
Filippo
I mean this is Euro 7 regulation.
Nick Kenan
Chrysler's strategy or Dodge's strategy. Right. Like Bring back the V8s.
Doug DeMuro
Bring back the V8s.
Filippo
I don't.
Doug DeMuro
I'll do it.
Filippo
Yeah, I got you.
Doug DeMuro
We're V8 guys. How many V8s you got right now, Nick?
Nick Kenan
Let's see the Range Rover. The Range Rover, the E55, the SLR the Cayenne.
Filippo
You got five.
Nick Kenan
Five out of six are V8. Wow.
Doug DeMuro
I've only got two.
Filippo
I only got one.
Doug DeMuro
But I do have a V10 and a V12.
Nick Kenan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Doug DeMuro
And we like our big. We like cylinders here on this podcast, folks.
Nick Kenan
We like cylinders and we hate the environment.
Doug DeMuro
Well, there we go.
Nick Kenan
I got 14 miles per gallon on the way here.
Filippo
Not aligning myself with this.
Nick Kenan
Probably the second best of my fleet.
Doug DeMuro
The other day I went to fill up. How do you survive? The other day I went to fill up the gas pump and it was 7:20 a gallon. $7 USD.
Filippo
I have not seen that high.
Doug DeMuro
720.
Nick Kenan
Are we at the turning point where you're gonna start shopping for gas and like go to the Costco and wait in line?
Doug DeMuro
No. But I will tell you this. I did do one thing which I think that our users should do as well. I saw the 720 and I said nope. And I pulled out my company credit card and I used that instead because I was coming home from work and I figured, you know what, if the company wanted me to go to work today, I had to get home, for God's sake.
Filippo
Luckily, we get two points back. Thanks. That's something.
Doug DeMuro
All right, give us our next news story.
Nick Kenan
Boom.
Doug DeMuro
Manual transmissions, dude.
Filippo
All right, we talked a few weeks, I think you were gone about. There will be a next generation Camaro. Hard to believe it has been rumored by the folks at Gemin Cider that based on their sources, it will have a manual transmission.
Doug DeMuro
Manual on a new Camaro?
Filippo
Yeah.
Nick Kenan
Again, American market needs or Jim authority.
Filippo
I apologize. Jim Authority.
Doug DeMuro
That's pretty legit. If it's real,
Filippo
I trust their sourcing. They are indeed the authority.
Doug DeMuro
How cool.
Nick Kenan
And then the question for both this and AMG is. All right, so if you've already developed the powertrain, what else can you stick it in?
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, yeah.
Filippo
The chassis for the Camaro. They will also be building it alongside a Cadillac sedan and some other product. And so maybe there'll be a manual Cadillac sedan too. By the way, the new Camaro four door.
Doug DeMuro
Are we sure about that?
Filippo
We're pretty confident.
Nick Kenan
Hmm. Not a Camaro. Well, it's like a Mach E, you know.
Doug DeMuro
Don't forget though, the Camaro's got a long history. There was a period of time where there were Camaros that were horrible and so.
Nick Kenan
But were they ever four doors?
Doug DeMuro
No, but they were horrible. And so what I would say to you is. What I would say to you is if we get a four door Camaro that's good. Wouldn't that be preferable to a two door Camaro? That's horrible. Like we had at some points. And I'm not specifically calling out the third gen. I'm not calling out the third gen, but there are people who might is what I'm saying. There are people who might.
Nick Kenan
I just don't know if a four door Camaro makes any sense.
Doug DeMuro
You don't like the Chevy ss? You don't like the Chevy ss. You're not a Chevy ss, man.
Nick Kenan
Yeah, I did see one the other day actually, and they recognized the wagon and we had a nice little chat. Outside of Carl Strauss?
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, outside of Carl Strauss. You're talking to the Chevy SS guy. Did politics come up? Nick. Oh my God.
Filippo
Why do we think he's with Nick?
Doug DeMuro
We have on Kenan. I'm just saying please come back, Kenan, for God's sake.
Nick Kenan
I'm just saying please.
Doug DeMuro
Ken was it. I looked at. We have all each other's locations and I looked at Ken's location today. He's in Florence, Alabama.
Filippo
He's filming.
Doug DeMuro
The hell is Kennan doing in Alabama? Filming 2v10 Lambos doesn't belong in Alabama. He's not Correct. It's not.
Filippo
Neither do Lambos. And so it makes sense.
Doug DeMuro
What the hell are those cars doing in Alabama?
Filippo
I don't know, but one of them is going to be the Velocity Invitational.
Doug DeMuro
Ryan Lopez is from Alabama.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
Although I think he isn't because when I asked him about his license plate code for his county, he didn't know it.
Filippo
Oh, you know who else is from Alabama?
Doug DeMuro
47, by the way? What's that?
Filippo
Tim Cook.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, I know. Ryan Lopez and Tim Cook are the only two non pro athletes politicians ever to rise out of Alabama and make something of themselves. Ryan Lopez, you're doing great.
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Doug DeMuro
All right, give us our next news story, please. Ah, yes. This is a Porsche Macan and Porsche announced on an earnings call this week that the gas Porsche Macan production ends this summer.
Filippo
How tragic.
Doug DeMuro
And that they will not be replacing it with another gas Macan in for two years.
Nick Kenan
Heard this one before.
Filippo
Yeah, we talked about it before, but it's wild.
Doug DeMuro
No, but I mean, they're confirmed the timeline. July will be the eop, as the Germans, I guarantee, were saying. Sop.
Filippo
How much do you think inventory is?
Doug DeMuro
Probably some. Because it's not that. I mean, it's an old car.
Nick Kenan
Yeah, it's been out forever. Yeah, my neighbors had one like before COVID it's worth.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, yeah. And even before that, it was on sale. I think it came out in 15.
Filippo
Right, that 2015. Talk about a long life cycle.
Nick Kenan
What are sorority girls gonna buy once they graduate?
Filippo
Q5s, as they always did.
Doug DeMuro
What sororities were you at that girls had? Macans.
Nick Kenan
You know, the North Shore of Chicago
Doug DeMuro
was a little different. There was a sorority girl when I was in college who had a Freelander SE3. Oh, that car.
Nick Kenan
That's so cool.
Doug DeMuro
The yellow convertible one. And I remember that was the star of the sorority.
Filippo
That was a great house pork cart. Yeah.
Nick Kenan
My wife watches the podcast, so I gotta be careful, but that sounds like marriage material.
Doug DeMuro
Wonder what he would have said if his wife didn't watch the podcast.
Filippo
Porsche. Tough position to be in.
Doug DeMuro
So having the Gas Macan and then two years away from the new one going on sale obviously means they will not have a Gas Macan for a while. Eventually they will sell out, of course, at the gas ones. This is another Honda story. I mean, it's another example of the EV strategy has kind of changed things around and this is the situation that they're stuck with. I'm actually surprised that they're stopping production. When I reviewed Makhani V and chatted with the Porsche people at the time, they told me point blank that they had the ability to kind of extend this car's production life. They didn't do that. I'm sure they have good reasons, but I wonder.
Filippo
Your first guess would be for emissions reasons. They can't use existing powertrains. But the base engine in this is the same engine that Volkswagen uses in everything that's in my gti, basically, that is still compliant. They're going to keep making that.
Doug DeMuro
I don't know. But it is interesting. Porsche is in this kind of unusual situation where they're not making all that much money. Profitability is down. They had to sell off that Bugatti brand.
Nick Kenan
Yeah. Tough day.
Doug DeMuro
This car is going away. They're obviously going to have to put an enormous amount of money into redeveloping vehicles that they probably didn't think they would have to put money into redevelopment. It's a kind of a tough transition period. I mean, again, the Honda story. Honda posts their first quarterly loss in decades. That's where Porsche is as well. This whole EV shift has been weird.
Filippo
Can I give you a fun fact?
Doug DeMuro
All right.
Filippo
So we see a lot of Macans.
Nick Kenan
Yeah, it better be. Really?
Doug DeMuro
Every day.
Filippo
They sold 85,000 Macans last year by far, globally. You know how many Odysseys sold last year? 88,000. Just in the U.S. i mean, it's the only market we sold. Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah.
Filippo
So the Odyssey, much better seller than the Macan. Turns out. I would have thought more than 88,000. They're everywhere.
Doug DeMuro
When I worked for Porsche, this is a real statistic. When I worked for Porsche, Porsche Cars North America, I worked for there in 2012. I left in 13. We would get. There were years where we would get outsold as a company nationally by the largest Toyota dealership in the United States.
Filippo
But I will say Macan is 30% of their sales last year.
Nick Kenan
Wow.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
No, it's the best car. Is a big deal. Is tough. This is a big deal. I am curious and we don't get these numbers and we probably should do a little bit more research. He should before he comes. But I am curious how Macan EV sells globally. And they probably would never say, but is it the success they were hoping for? Is this mainly a US story that the Macan is going away and Porsche is retooling everything? Or is Macan EV actually been the competitive product they were hoping that it would be?
Filippo
Globally, 22% of Porsche sales were fully electric in 2025, which would have been Taycan and Macan.
Doug DeMuro
Pretty significant number. However, we also hear that sales in China are way down, etc. Electric cars must not be doing quite what they were hoping for. Nonetheless, this is another interesting one. On to our next news story. Ah, yes, it's Spiker. Here's a photo. I have no idea what this is a photo of.
Nick Kenan
So the gentleman that bought the intellectual property to it a year or two ago. I did do some reading, Spiker.
Doug DeMuro
For those who don't know, this was a supercar company that was. They were Dutch, right?
Nick Kenan
Yeah, Dutch. And they build some very beautiful cars. I saw Ed Bolians in person just a week ago and just like it's still the details, the finishing touches, it is like true coach building level supercar. It was a kind of a fancy Audi R8 underneath.
Filippo
Since you only did some of the reading, I should point out the person that rebought Rebought the intellectual property of Spyker is also the person that found the Spyker originally. So it's not just like a random
Nick Kenan
dude that bought the ip, Victor Muller, and then also the Spyker enthusiast guy on Instagram who's been literally flying all over the globe, servicing and keeping the existing Spikers running and serviced, which is pretty cool. Basically they saw, hey, there's such a cult following for these cars still, we ought to bring it back. And I think the coolest part, because I did read the article, is that they're going to be debuting the new model at the Quail this year, a venue in which I have been deemed not cool enough or valid enough to even buy a ticket at. So they are killing it.
Doug DeMuro
They are getting into.
Nick Kenan
They're getting into things that even Doug Demiro's inner circle can't get into and debuting their new car. So I'm very happy for them and not at all bitter about it.
Filippo
Understanding is that it'll be a twin turbo V8.
Doug DeMuro
I thought you did get. You did get passes.
Nick Kenan
I meant to tell you this, but I hit them up for press pass saying that I'm a good friend of yours. So I name dropped a little bit and they said they'll get back to me in a month.
Doug DeMuro
I'm going to tell you, just so you know, three or four years ago I tried to get press passes and they said no, me, myself. Not even a good friend of mine myself. Well, there's that, but I thought in the end they offered you the ability to buy.
Nick Kenan
I did eventually get pulled on the wait list, but that's 1600 bucks. Yeah, you guys aren't paying me enough
Doug DeMuro
for this, but 1600 bucks, you get to see the New spike run.
Nick Kenan
It does.
Doug DeMuro
And you're an enthusiast.
Nick Kenan
That brings up the value of the event from about $350 to about 400.
Doug DeMuro
You know. You know, I show you the press passes now. Yeah. The event's worth a quarter of what they charge. Let me go and report on it. I think this is cool. I think the spikers were cool. I think they're still undervalued. I am sad at what is obviously going to happen, which is that this new Spiker is going to be more expensive than I wish it was.
Nick Kenan
Oh, I'm sure. 800 horsepower, V8 supercar, hand built, bespoke. It's going to be gorgeous. But it's going to be money if
Filippo
they can get enough interest.
Doug DeMuro
Did they get confirmed?
Nick Kenan
I thought you were telling me because I didn't actually read.
Doug DeMuro
No, I'm curious.
Filippo
They haven't confirmed. So it also depends on if they get enough interest sense.
Nick Kenan
The, the, the exposed linkage was sort of the trademark feature of the seat. So it kind of has to.
Doug DeMuro
I think, I think a manual. I think it'd be cool. It's going to be a million bucks.
Nick Kenan
It's going to be way to difference.
Doug DeMuro
It's like that D. Tomaso P72 that I fell in love with.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
And I want one. And then we found out that it's like 4 million.
Filippo
Yep.
Doug DeMuro
Like that's what all these cars are.
Filippo
Good things cost money.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. But that didn't used to be true. A Spiker back in the day was like 300 or less.
Filippo
And they're so cool.
Doug DeMuro
And they're so cool. And they still are like 300. But I guess my point is like everything's a million bucks anytime a bespoke special, like just assume you'll never afford it and you'll never see one.
Nick Kenan
We'll see them.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. At very special events on lawns.
Nick Kenan
Dude, there's like goompert Apollos everywhere now.
Doug DeMuro
Goomperts are everywhere. Never before. All right, Ford. So Ford Matchbox car.
Filippo
Yes.
Nick Kenan
That is what the very high res mock up here.
Filippo
No, no, that is what they gave journalists. So Ford is building a new ev. This hired children to design it.
Doug DeMuro
They're targeting a thing of play with it. It's four children.
Filippo
That is around $30,000. So they're targeting a pretty low price electric pickup truck.
Doug DeMuro
Yep.
Filippo
There's a bunch of stories out from a bunch of different outlets over the last week because they have let people behind the scenes a little bit to look at their facilities where they're doing this. We're designing it. They also gave out this literal sample that's like small. It's like 3D printed school.
Doug DeMuro
I don't get this. No Ford, you don't invite me to this.
Filippo
This. Let's be honest, they may have.
Doug DeMuro
What are you.
Nick Kenan
It got lost with a bunch of Mark 4 Supras that Sean cars and bits dot com. Email him.
Filippo
This was in Long beach, which is
Doug DeMuro
just a little too far. I got, I didn't go to this. It was in Long.
Filippo
The reason I'm mentioning this is they. Ford has made a big deal in, in the stories that, that came out about it. About the fact that this is a true skunk works project. So basically they hired some people from, from Apple and from Tesla and from other automakers to lead up this project and they have said basically the CEO is not really involved. He's not allowed in the building. His key card, Jim Farley's key card doesn't allow him access to the building.
Doug DeMuro
They're doing any of this.
Nick Kenan
Remember, remember curb your enthusiasm. When he was going to pitch a script to someone that worked at Disney, you know, you're like, oh yeah, the person worked at Apple. Yeah, the Apple Store, right? Like
Doug DeMuro
Jim Farley's not allowed, but he
Nick Kenan
doesn't want to go.
Doug DeMuro
But they showed it off to journalists in Long Beach.
Filippo
Well that.
Doug DeMuro
Hey, can I come to Long. Nope, you're not allowed in Long beach either.
Nick Kenan
Jim Farley. Farley's like Detroit's better than that.
Filippo
Their point has been that they're keeping this very separate and very different from how Ford otherwise built product. They're trying to be a very upstart manufacturer.
Doug DeMuro
Ford, I'm going to tell you something because I know you're watching. If you want to make this different from how you normally make a product, how about we don't have an eight year development cycle. How about you get this thing to market in 18 months? Months. That's how you do it.
Filippo
That's what Tesla, they are starting production, pre production now, like factory production now.
Nick Kenan
I have some feedback too.
Doug DeMuro
I haven't seen one.
Filippo
We weren't invited.
Nick Kenan
It needs to be at least three times bigger than this.
Filippo
This is a 132 scale. It's interesting how hard, how much they're leaning into. This was built in a different way, right? Like we like really let engineers loose, but not our normal engineers. They couldn't be trusted. We had to bring in people from the outside to bring fresh perspective to like build new ideas to make it an affordable, compelling evolution.
Doug DeMuro
I do think that One of the biggest problems that the legacy automakers have with competing against the other the upstart brands is development cycles and current the way that they. I think the problem that legacy automakers still have is they think the car has to be ready for launch when it launches. I honestly think that is one of their biggest mistakes. Teslas have never been ready for launch. When they launch, they're riddled with all these things that get corrected later. And same with Fisker's and let's just launch the thing.
Filippo
I think that's kind of what they're pushing towards.
Doug DeMuro
Their goal really was get it up
Filippo
quickly, rethink some assembly line processes. There were a bunch of interviews in these pieces with the folks that are at the actual production line complaining about like, all right, well they keep changing these parts, they keep changing these things. At some point we need to lock it in. But I think that's kind of the point, right? You can kind of keep iterating and keep making it a little better and keep.
Nick Kenan
Yeah, they got someone from the Apple Store, dude. Move fast and break things.
Doug DeMuro
Move fast and break things.
Nick Kenan
That's not the app, it's actually the Facebook.
Filippo
It doesn't matter.
Doug DeMuro
Is it Facebook?
Nick Kenan
Yeah. Mark Zuckerberg.
Doug DeMuro
Oh yeah. Like in the early days.
Filippo
Regardless, it is exciting. This should be out in 2027. By the way, the pickup truck. I will say all the interviews make a big deal about Jim Farley not
Nick Kenan
being allowed at the facilities.
Filippo
They originally pitched him an SUV and he said no, it needs to be a mid sized pickup truck.
Doug DeMuro
That's weird.
Nick Kenan
It's.
Filippo
Yeah.
Nick Kenan
He wants to fight against Bezos for those slate customers. Those six people interested?
Doug DeMuro
Hello. Speaking of Zuckerberg, you know what he drives?
Nick Kenan
He used to drive a TSX or ts.
Doug DeMuro
Oh no. Go to the next news story.
Nick Kenan
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Doug DeMuro
He drives a Black Wing. Does he really?
Filippo
Yeah, but he also had that cayenne stretch.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. If that was for his wife. Yeah. Zuckerberg himself. That might be Zuckerberg.
Filippo
It could be now. Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
He drives a Black Wing. Cadillac's coming out with a. He wants to. He's anxious. Cause we skipped the news story. Filippo's sitting there like, oh, God, no. Oh, God, Oh, God. They're coming out with a Formula one edition of the Black Wing. They've come up with several special editions of the Blackwing. And there's now a Formula one edition. And Nick, in the center console, there's an FIA badge.
Nick Kenan
It'd be a good safety car.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah.
Nick Kenan
But, yeah, only 25 is what I read, which is crazy low.
Doug DeMuro
Well, they're manual only. And honestly, 25 is like two months of sales.
Nick Kenan
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
Truthfully, the car is wonderful and it is finding the right buyers and is selling at sticker, but production is low and sales are slow.
Nick Kenan
You see a lot of the F1 edition Aston Martin's around, though. Like, Aston really cashed in on that. And I think limiting it to 25, like Cadillac ought to be making.
Filippo
Only because I care about accuracy. They're making 26.
Nick Kenan
Okay, thank you.
Filippo
As a nod to when they joined
Nick Kenan
Formula one, I'm sure two of them are going to Sergio Perez and Bottas over there.
Filippo
Those might be who that is.
Nick Kenan
That's who they are. Valerie or Valtteri.
Filippo
There'll be some F1 logos.
Nick Kenan
Great.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, it's mostly a Corbin. F1 logos. There have been actually already several Blackwing special editions. And as a person who always kind of thinks about dipping my toe into the Blackwing pool, I'm not. Not into it. I do wish it was a station wagon. And I know that's stupid car enthusiast bs, but I do own a station wagon, which I bought essentially new. And I would. I would think about it. I would have a conversation. Wouldn't you? You don't think my wife would drive around a Black Wing?
Nick Kenan
Sure.
Doug DeMuro
What if there was a third row? I'll tell you that There wouldn't be options. Here's your black wing.
Filippo
There will not be a third row under any circumstance.
Doug DeMuro
You know the third row is over. Did you know that by the way? My E wagon is the last to have a third row.
Nick Kenan
No, I did not know.
Doug DeMuro
They don't offer it anymore.
Nick Kenan
Have any cars ever?
Doug DeMuro
It's done. There's no more rear facing third row cars. No, it's not a safety thing. I think it's safer. If you look at data, there's a reason little kids are rear facing as long as possible. I think it's actually legitimately safer to have to be sitting rear facing.
Nick Kenan
That's good.
Doug DeMuro
Including in the third row for a lot of reasons but one is that your legs are getting hit instead of your head. But regardless, there are actual crash forces are better if you get hit when you're rear facing.
Nick Kenan
I suppose it's good if you are getting rear ended like you see it coming too. Yeah, that's good.
Filippo
It's good for your psych.
Nick Kenan
You put your hands out. Stop it.
Doug DeMuro
But yeah, there's no more. That's it. E Wagon23.
Nick Kenan
My kids will only sit in the third row now that I have one. They love it. It's so cool.
Filippo
I want to go back to this because it's an important story.
Doug DeMuro
We all have 3 row Mercedes station wagon.
Nick Kenan
I know, I know. This Mercedes podcast. I am disappointed we covered a Porsche story for no reason. I mean the macan going away.
Filippo
I agree.
Doug DeMuro
We're certainly not Porsche people.
Filippo
I have two quick stories.
Doug DeMuro
Okay.
Filippo
Because I refuse to not talk about the news.
Doug DeMuro
Okay. Okay.
Filippo
Rivian CEO RJ said in an interview that there will be other variants of the R2. So the R2 we know is SUV that's going to come out. He basically hinted at there will be an R2X. Clearly there could be an R2X and well as other variants that they have not yet announced.
Doug DeMuro
I don't understand what. It's an R2X like the performance version but the R3X is like a off roady hatchback.
Filippo
The R3 is like a little hatchback and the R3X like the performance off road.
Doug DeMuro
I haven't seen an R3 that wasn't an R3X. Is there such a thing? Really?
Filippo
I don't think they ever showed it because our 3X looks cooler and we're three years away.
Doug DeMuro
But yeah, well, you get my point. Oh, I see. There's like renderings regular version.
Filippo
The. The X will be the performance version which I do think will be like an off roader performance version. That would be that maybe.
Doug DeMuro
I don't know why it's a two door like a Defender.
Filippo
I mean, you know, it's also in.
Doug DeMuro
It's also in the thunderstorm.
Filippo
Yeah, producer. But there will also maybe be other models, which is kind of interesting. We wondered. Right.
Doug DeMuro
Other R2s.
Filippo
Because the R1T and R1s exist. This is just R2.
Doug DeMuro
Can I tell you what Nick wants?
Filippo
A three row R2 rear facing.
Doug DeMuro
No, he wants an R2. That's a pickup truck like the Hummer H2SUT. Because Nick.
Filippo
I also want that Nick when he's
Doug DeMuro
driving to Trump rallies, he takes his H2SUT. We can't fly the flag and. Yeah, and this coming from the guy
Nick Kenan
that goes summers in Nantucket is calling someone else.
Filippo
You think it's in the Sequoia direction like the Sequoia is?
Nick Kenan
Yeah, I want a Lobo edition. Like give me like a lowered. Maybe. Maybe they will laying frame. I want suicide doors. I want big wheels.
Filippo
Doesn't matter.
Doug DeMuro
It's unlikely. I would, I would. You're talking about. You want like a literal like low rider kind of. You want it to be on.
Nick Kenan
It doesn't have to lay frame. I would go with just like tucking tire. Rj, if you're listening, I think that that's crazy. Nick edition.
Doug DeMuro
I think that that's unlikely.
Filippo
But it's not impossible.
Doug DeMuro
There will be a performance version is what's likely lightning.
Nick Kenan
Maybe that's what.
Doug DeMuro
This isn't made by real. There will be an off road version. There will be a performance version and then the three will come and it's even smaller and it's like the Gulf country.
Filippo
Yes, it is like the Gulf country. 100%.
Doug DeMuro
And then. And that'll be that or the Delta
Filippo
Integrale is what I think one of
Doug DeMuro
my greatest moments in life was actually on Nantucket. Last summer. A man had a Gulf country.
Nick Kenan
We had a rally.
Doug DeMuro
Do you know this story?
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
And he was there at the little market in my town and he's parked over his Gulf country. And I walked up to him and I never walk up to people with cars because then they'd be like, oh my God, it's Doug Demir. We get into a whole thing and I walk up to him and I say, cool car. And he didn't recognize me at all. He didn't know who I was.
Filippo
What a dream.
Doug DeMuro
And so I was able to have a real conversation with a person about a car without getting into the whole, oh my God, what A dream, you know. And it was incredible. And he told me all about the golf country and I knew a lot of the stuff but I was cherishing
Nick Kenan
the moment, you know, that novelty wears off. As someone that frequently has conversations with people who don't know who I am
Doug DeMuro
about cars, one or two are great
Nick Kenan
but after that they're just strangers talking to you. Yeah, prefer to keep to myself. I see some coming up. I put the AirPods in, you know.
Doug DeMuro
Oh hey Joe.
Nick Kenan
No, I'm sorry. That expense report. Yeah.
Filippo
You know, you're too friendly for that. The real shame. Last stripe.
Doug DeMuro
There are bigger tariffs. All right, time to move on to the segment.
Filippo
Wait. Okay. Last week the president announced that he was increasing tariffs on vehicles from Europe from 15% to 25% because the EU in his mind did not sufficiently move quickly enough to actually finish the deal on tariffs. It's been interesting to see the reaction. BMW CEO in their earnings call said basically I don't think this is real. I'm not going to adjust my forecasts. I think this is just like a bluff. Audi's leadership team has instead said oh no, this is going to really massively impact our ability to Release release the Q9 the large SUV which is going to like really impact our profits for 2026. And our forecast for 2026 if it happens will be interesting.
Nick Kenan
I really want to take this strategy and apply it to other facets of my life. I think this deal is taking too long to negotiate. Raising my price on you.
Doug DeMuro
I bet you really want it might work. You know the Audi Q9 I've been hearing there's going to be three row Audi and Porsche SUV's my entire life
Filippo
the Q7 exists but yeah it's like
Doug DeMuro
the give a large one. It's like the mid. It's like the mid engine Corvette. Like my whole life there had been
Filippo
rumors and then one day it happened.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. The Bronco Bronco is forever. Forever.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
Tariffs bad. The we'll kill everybody. Let's see if it happens. I I'm more of the opinion of the BMW.
Nick Kenan
So it has not officially just they
Filippo
have on Monday they said yes last week when it was announced it was next week which would be this week on Monday they said yes this is still for sure 100% happening. It's going to increase to 25% have yet to see that happen.
Doug DeMuro
Right. And Trump's doing a lot of bluffing right now. In general you're also gotta be making the calculus if you're any company CEO is affected by tariffs you're 18 months into administration. It's only 48 months long. Trump is trying desperately to make everybody believe he's not a lame duck. But you do wonder what happens at the midterms, especially when you look at his approval ratings, which are unusually low. And then he really becomes a lame duck if he loses Congress. And so at that point, the automakers are probably sitting here like, let's just. You think you're gonna do. Let's just see how this goes.
Nick Kenan
Let's extend the odyssey a couple more years and just see how this plays out.
Doug DeMuro
Well, that's built in Ohio by union labor, Marysville. Okay, I wanna move on to the talk cars segment. The talk cars segment is of course brought to you by Nick's Merch. Nick has merch now? It's a little generic. We're gonna work on it.
Filippo
I like it.
Doug DeMuro
We're gonna work on it, but I
Nick Kenan
just don't like it. Cause it's shade at you saying, I'd rather drive a Land Rover than. I'd rather push a Land Rover than drive a Land Cruiser. Some of us are real men that put up with Land Rovers. Some of us drive Toyotas.
Doug DeMuro
Nick, I have owned in my life.
Nick Kenan
Oh, here we go. Here we go.
Doug DeMuro
I have owned in my life a
Nick Kenan
lot of Toyota trucks. Because reliability.
Doug DeMuro
I've had four Land Rovers. How many is that for you?
Nick Kenan
I have two right now. How many do you have?
Doug DeMuro
One of them. You do have to fourth. What's the fourth? You tell me.
Filippo
Yeah, you had the L322. You had a Range Rover Classic.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah.
Filippo
You had your defender. What's the fourth?
Nick Kenan
And the other defender D90, the green
Doug DeMuro
one and a yellow.
Filippo
Oh, I forgot about the green one.
Doug DeMuro
I had that green one. 50,000.
Nick Kenan
The one that he claimed he was going to keep forever and didn't. Made a video recently saying he's never going to say that.
Doug DeMuro
I cannot get that car to last. My family, my big SUV family car, I cannot get it to last. I've tried now three different cars that. All of which I just wanted to keep for a long time, and all three of them just didn't last for various reasons. The green Defender was not good enough for my purposes and wouldn't work anymore. Now. Now, because it didn't have a third row. The Land Cruiser. Honestly, the 200 Series Land Cruiser is a disappointment. And the Sequoia is just like, I'm doing it and I'm going to keep doing it. And every time I sit on this podcast, talk about how I'm going to replace it with an LX700H. I am not going to do that because it is just not feasible with car seats the way I need to use it. But, man, I just cannot get a car to last in that segment of my life.
Filippo
Suburban, here we come.
Doug DeMuro
I do want to talk about one car that's lasting in the top car segment today. Can you pull up the picture, please? This, this is an event. This is a recent event that happened in my life. This is me and producer Sean and we went to 5761 McFadden Avenue in Huntington beach, which is where the Carrera GT was designed.
Filippo
Wow.
Doug DeMuro
Me and Sean went there and you know, a lot of people, the Carrera GT is this very complex, technical, precision instrument engineered. And so a lot of people associate with Germans and the Germans are, oh, it's pro Porsche. It was made in this new fact, high tech. It was designed in a strip mall in Huntington beach in Orange County. And me and Sean happened to be there for other business. And we went by it and there's a picture of us in front of the Courier GT design studio. The story of the Courier GT Design is one of the all time greats. Samsung, the technology company, had decided they wanted to build a car and so they got this office and hired a team of designers. And then they decided late in the process that they didn't want to build a car. And so they sold the designers to Porsche.
Filippo
Can't sell people.
Doug DeMuro
But they sold the design studio to Porsche. And so the Courier GT was designed by people who originally were hired by Samsung in California to create a Samsung car. This wasn't like done at the highest levels of Porsche to create this super. It was done by, by guys who three weeks earlier were designing a car from a company that makes handheld tablets. And there's your Carrera GT story for the day. Me and Sean got to see at IRL what was there like a BP regional office or something, Some gas company?
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
They were probably like, what the hell? Why are these people taking a picture outside national security risk now? You know, you don't have any thoughts on this? This is a momentous thing.
Filippo
Did you avoid. You've owned that car for a couple years. Career GT has been a big part of your life for decades. Yeah. Did you ever consider stopping there before?
Doug DeMuro
No, I would never go out of my way. This was literally on our way somewhere and I was like, wait, I think we're going near this. Like, there is no chance in my life that I would have ever even diverted 10 minutes to go do this.
Filippo
I'm so glad you had that experience though, with an edge and a Corolla cross in the background.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, no, it was a little dis. And I think that was, it was something nice.
Filippo
Nothing Escalade and.
Doug DeMuro
No, no, no, it wasn't an Escalade. It was something good. And, and, and it may be an odyssey, I think.
Filippo
Nope.
Nick Kenan
It does make you wonder that that whole story you had about the Ford EV and they wouldn't let Jim Farley in. Maybe it's in a strip mall somewhere and he doesn't want to go.
Doug DeMuro
I mean, he doesn't want to go.
Nick Kenan
It is.
Filippo
They, they said that they moved to a larger office space because they hired more people.
Nick Kenan
But it's in a. It's like shares a wall with the Rubios, you know, like, like, like Porsche just didn't have that good of storytelling to be like, oh, skunk works. Whatever it was, it was just like in a random strip mall. Of course. Like, oh, I got it.
Doug DeMuro
Team of designing career GT where like they'd be hashing out something over lunch at a strip mall sushi restaurant at one of those wide intersections in Huntington beach and they're talking about like Carrera GT design. Like, this is real.
Filippo
But a lot of automakers have had California design offices.
Doug DeMuro
This unfortunately did not rise to that level.
Filippo
No.
Doug DeMuro
Porsche didn't use the office really after the Carrera gt. And there was obviously a lot of design work that was done in Germany as well. However, in my, the concept car was done here completely. And in my opinion, that was it. Like the concept car is the Courage gt. And then after that, the Germans and these guys kind of collaborated more. But. Yeah.
Filippo
Do you consider the Courage GT to be a beautiful design?
Doug DeMuro
No. However, design style, I don't think it's a beautiful style. I think as a concept, as a product of design, I think it is a fantastic one. The way that it all works well, the way that the carbon chassis is part of the trim is really cool. I do not believe it is a well styled car. No. I think it looks like an El Camino.
Nick Kenan
I think it looks really cool. Really nice.
Filippo
I get it.
Nick Kenan
It gets handsome, understated. I like the subtlety of it.
Doug DeMuro
I like that it's subtle.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
I think that the big mistake, there are a few mistakes. It looks like a long boxer. Like in order to make the room for the engine, they had to add space and they just added. They added a big like a limo company down the street from his office. That's right. Just. And then, and then also to me, the, the biggest flaw was, was the, the rear where it, it should come from the roof and kind of sweep all the way down the roof line all the way down to the rear bumper. That's what everyone does. But they started it like lower this sort of like rear haunch and it looks like a pickup truck as a result, especially seen from the front quarter angle, it's not really well done very poorly. And this opinion is not, I mean
Nick Kenan
it wasn't successful when it came out. So obviously they should have gone crazier with the design.
Doug DeMuro
I don't think the style had anything. This angle is its worst angle. And you can see, see what I'm.
Filippo
Oh, I apologize.
Doug DeMuro
And you can see exactly what I'm talking about from here. It makes a 90 degree and basically an L shape. And if you look at any other car, any other supercar mid engine car, they designed to avoid that. One of my favorites is the Maserati Maroc. Pull up one of those. Maserati Maroc or Bora, either one. Bora is easier to type. Go to images, I'll show you. This is one of the most bizarre things you're going to see. So the Bora. No, the Morocc. You have to go to the Morocc. The Bora is like that, but it's harder to tell.
Filippo
Merak M E R A K. Oh sure, sure. I spelled it wrong.
Doug DeMuro
Okay, so click on this, this picture. So this car had the same problem, an L shape. And you know what they did?
Nick Kenan
They just stuck the flying buttress.
Doug DeMuro
These buttresses have no purpose. But they knew that they didn't want to make the car have an L shape and look like a Lotus Europa or a pickup truck. And so it actually completely changes the profile of the car. But if you really look at what they are, they're just total bs. They're just stuck on there after the fact looking stupid. And the Carrera GT probably should have had. But the design of the Courrero GT was very conservative at every level. And that included the humps, which should have been larger. And there's my Carrera GT take of the day.
Nick Kenan
Interesting.
Filippo
What a take.
Nick Kenan
A CGT take. I actually enjoyed a first for this podcast.
Filippo
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Doug DeMuro
Two people who the two of them trying to meet a time, a scheduled time.
Nick Kenan
It's amazing.
Doug DeMuro
Literally the blind leading the blind.
Filippo
But we.
Nick Kenan
So Wagon Fest is the biggest gathering of station wagons, I'm told in the
Filippo
U.S. shout out to Avant and the Peterson.
Nick Kenan
We had everything From a Ferrari 456 Venice to a ton of like CTS V wagons, a lot of AMG wagons, B5 S4, like really RS4, rather really cool stuff. And then the Peterson was open to all the attendees and saw the Fast and the Furious exhibit. Like it was just really, really fun. And like Ryan, I've never gotten to spend a lot of time with him. We started out on the wrong foot because he guessed my age incorrectly by about 10 years and I was deeply offended.
Filippo
Yeah.
Nick Kenan
Yes. And then I realized. Did you were 50 pushing 50 anyways? Yeah. And I was a little taken back. I thought he was coming for my job as a fill in for the podcast, but turns out we really like each other.
Doug DeMuro
I love Ryan Lopez. I've been telling people forever because you meet Ryan Lopez and your initial impression is, oh my God, this person's insane. These guys hired this person. But then you spend time with him and you're like, thank God there's Ryan Lopez in my life.
Nick Kenan
And Ryan was the hero of the day. So drive up to la, made great time. I said, check out how fast it can go. You know, we had a little pull and then I got a check. Engine light misfire, limp mode. And Ryan fixes it with his bare hand. No tools.
Doug DeMuro
What was was a fuel sending issue. Ryan Lopez went in there, he fully diagnosed. He replaced the fuel system actually right there on the side of the road.
Nick Kenan
It was a skunk raw muscle. It was a skunk work project. Jim Farley was not invited.
Doug DeMuro
Not allowed.
Nick Kenan
Yes, it was at a strip mall in Huntington Beach.
Filippo
That part's probably true.
Nick Kenan
Yeah, we fixed it. And yeah, that'll be live by the time or I don't know, I'll post something about it. But yeah, no, the E55 is fantastic. We've been joking internally in our chat group here that the third row wagon, which I've discovered but apparently you guys already have, is a game changer. Sure do, my daughter. But both of my kids now only want to ride around in the backseat of the wagon.
Doug DeMuro
I'm going to tell you something about Nick. Nick has decided to buy all the cars I own. This is an interesting thing that's happened
Filippo
here, Nick, we're going to go with this again.
Doug DeMuro
Nick has aired this publicly. The thing I like about it is because it was on this podcast that he said that I'm not going to buy any more BS cars. In the months after that, he's decided to buy all of my cars. My presumption is that he's next going to buy a 993 Twin Turbo.
Filippo
No, he'll buy a 4S.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, he buys like a worse but newer version. That's like what he does something a little off. Yeah, he's definitely turbo. Can you imagine?
Nick Kenan
I would get the 996 Turbo because that's the value. Play tip. Yeah, non tip.
Filippo
By the way, if you like Nick like Ryan a lot, he has a bunch of videos on the Key channel. So go check that out.
Nick Kenan
That one with the Earth roamer is my favorite one so far.
Filippo
That's a good.
Nick Kenan
It was so good. Including when Ryan has the reaction to almost scraping the car and like some dicey off road moments. But it's really good Entertainment.
Doug DeMuro
The key YouTube channel. Go do it. Go see Ryan Lopez in action. He's never going to be here on this podcast. He's sitting over there. We just talk about him, but you can see him in real life.
Nick Kenan
I listened to the podcast last week and did not watch it. And Ryan was on it last week. Last week you apparently walked off at the very end you see Ryan saying goodbye.
Doug DeMuro
I walked off because Felipe wouldn't stop promoting stuff. At the end I was like, as a joke, I was like, you want to promote anything else? If it was like actually two things. First Off. She's Filippo.
Filippo
I was just promoting Ryan.
Doug DeMuro
Okay. I want to move on to the. What else you got?
Filippo
Can I say one thing?
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. Is it going to be a promotion for something?
Filippo
No, but. Although, first I want to know you give the word Clarity. And I hope you're talking about a Honda.
Doug DeMuro
Do you want to do that?
Filippo
I do, because I got to know what it is.
Doug DeMuro
All right. I got a sad, very sad story for you. Sean knows what it is. I got a very sad story for you this week. Our editor, our video editor and. And. And helper to Sean during the podcast.
Filippo
This is not about a Honda Clarity.
Doug DeMuro
Was hit. He was driving his Kia Telluride.
Filippo
Oh, no.
Doug DeMuro
And he was hit by a car changing lanes. And that car was a Honda Clarity.
Nick Kenan
What?
Doug DeMuro
Pull up a picture of a Honda Clarity.
Filippo
I don't feel it.
Doug DeMuro
And I thought to myself, no, pull it up. This is part of the point. I thought to myself, you know, when you're in an accident, your first response is, stop, pull over. Like, make sure that nothing else worse happens. Yeah. Put this picture right. Yeah, yeah. But if you're in an accident with a Honda Clarity, I was thinking that's the one time when you should try to increase the damage because you really want one less. You're like, doing the. You really, like, look at it. Right? It's really a bad situation. It was unfortunate from day one. And this was Nick's chance to destroy one, to get one more off the road.
Filippo
First of all, you know that any damage to the side is total in that car. You can't. You gotta assume they don't make parts.
Doug DeMuro
I can't.
Nick Kenan
They broke the mold. They're just like, we're ashamed.
Doug DeMuro
Click on this one. I can't believe that this car ever came out looking like this.
Nick Kenan
I mean, do you remember that cross tour, though? That was even worse.
Doug DeMuro
No, it was not worse than covering the rear wheel.
Nick Kenan
Dude, I don't know.
Filippo
Fuel economy or. Right, hydrogen economy.
Doug DeMuro
It's funny because Honda has been trying to, like, beat the Prius since the Prius came out, and they've come up with all this crazy stuff.
Filippo
Well, fuel sector, the Mirai also is.
Doug DeMuro
And this. Well, but this wasn't a fuel cell. It was a plug in hybrid. There were fuel cell clarities, but not 99.9% of them, including the one that hit him, was just a plague.
Filippo
I assumed it was the. I was gonna make a joke about if he got thirsty while waiting for the police.
Doug DeMuro
Oh, he could just drink, drink. Go back to the overhang. Picture. I mean this is really one of the bad cars.
Nick Kenan
Pull up a Cross Tour.
Filippo
No, we're good. We're gonna not go down the George Fly red ass.
Doug DeMuro
Then the covered rear wheel.
Nick Kenan
Look at the rear of the Cross Tour.
Filippo
It's not a bad looking car. It's also probably the best Honda anyway.
Doug DeMuro
I felt bad for Nick. Especially felt bad for the Honda Clarity person who now has to try to get this thing fixed. And I'm sure all they were thinking was this is my chance. I can finally get out of this thing.
Nick Kenan
The Honda Cross Tour is just not worse at all. In fact, no go from the back view. The front view is fine because it's just like a.
Doug DeMuro
This is what an EV looks like now. This is what a Model Y looks like today. There is no difference between this and a Q5 Sportback. There's an E TRON Sportback.
Filippo
No disagreement. Four is actually worse.
Nick Kenan
There's one in my very progressive neighborhood that I walk by all of the time and I think I can't believe I have to live with this.
Doug DeMuro
It is funny because he complains and people complain. But that is what all EVs now look like.
Filippo
I do want to say one thing. I am going to Italy. You're going in June, which I'm really excited about. We're going all around. We're going south for the first time in years. It's going to be exciting. There are no good like rental cars in Europe have gotten worse because all of them now are cars that I would like as a daily driver. I guess like, like a hybrid.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, they're not.
Filippo
They're not small suv.
Nick Kenan
Right.
Filippo
I purposely rent like the. Like smaller hatchbacks. Cuz I want a manual transmission. I refuse to drive in Italy without a manual transmission. I have refused cars and made them give me a manual transmission car.
Nick Kenan
Right?
Filippo
Cuz I am who I am.
Doug DeMuro
Right?
Filippo
But there's so few and they're not great anymore. It used to be that every car
Doug DeMuro
was that Turo doesn't exist in Italy.
Filippo
No, it does exist in France.
Doug DeMuro
It's in France. And there's good stuff on Turo in France. Like legit good stuff. But they're not in Italy.
Filippo
You can rent a miata but it's like 5x the price of everything else.
Doug DeMuro
That's not worth it doesn't have anything cost cool.
Filippo
At insane prices.
Doug DeMuro
Malpensa Avis. Last time I was there they offered me a Julia which I'm sure was a 1 liter automatic 38.
Filippo
I don't do such things.
Doug DeMuro
I turned it down and took a CMax instead.
Filippo
Good car.
Doug DeMuro
They're both bad. I mean, the Julia is good, but the. The one that they would have given me which would have had hubcaps.
Filippo
I will have an Opal Astra or equivalent or something.
Doug DeMuro
What a. What a shame.
Filippo
Last time I had a Peugeot 208 which has a small steering wheel. Yeah, it was great. Exceptional. Good car.
Doug DeMuro
You should go for Volkswagen up or similar.
Filippo
Too small. Also. They don't make up anymore.
Doug DeMuro
Too small in what way?
Filippo
They don't make the up anymore.
Doug DeMuro
Too small in what way?
Filippo
I think they're used to some amount of like, comfort for the thousand. We do a thousand miles.
Doug DeMuro
Wow. These luxuries literally do a thousand miles. Lifestyle creep.
Filippo
You're watching the Polo class.
Doug DeMuro
This is bad, bad behavior.
Filippo
I said Astro earlier, but quite disappointed. But if anybody knows of, like, better options, let me know.
Doug DeMuro
We don't.
Filippo
Yeah, I know. I didn't mean you.
Nick Kenan
I think you should buy something that we want to buy anyways.
Filippo
I have consider. I've considered that, but we've learned that it's not that it is doable, haven't we?
Doug DeMuro
I don't know.
Nick Kenan
I don't know.
Doug DeMuro
We looked into this for years in Italy. To purchase a car, you need to be an Italian.
Filippo
You need to have a. You need. But you can buy one. There's like some paperwork you can do to drive a car there if you're not.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. Get it.
Filippo
We looked at. Look into this. Oh, wow.
Nick Kenan
The only.
Doug DeMuro
Again, we're not doing.
Filippo
Again.
Doug DeMuro
I got asked about, you know what? This is the thing about these cars. These. These bad European cars that Americans idolize. It'd be like Europeans idolizing a Ford Taurus. And I got interviewed. You know, my. My old A Class, my old A Class got hit on the street six months ago and totaled, thank God. And it's at Copart now.
Filippo
The buyer of your old A Class, but the prior owner then bought your A2.
Doug DeMuro
Well, it's a little complicated because. And that's part of the story. The A Class was that I own, that I imported was so bad that I sold it. I had hated it. I sold to a guy in Texas who hated it. He sold it to a guy in Texas who hated it. And then he sold it to a guy in California. And that car had four owners in a year because everybody got into it thinking, this will be cool. And then it turned out to be utter ass. And finally it got hit and it got destroyed. And so it's at Copart and Matt Hardigrid Called me, who works for the autopian, and he said, hey, your old A class at Copart, we're doing an article. Do you want to say anything about it? And I. I said, right. I said, quote me. That car got what it deserved. And that's the problem with the Evan team. Like, we. We do this, and it's like, oh, it's so cool. Then they come, the car comes here, and one month into the multiply, you were like, you know.
Nick Kenan
Yeah.
Filippo
I love the multiple, though.
Nick Kenan
I. I suspect Tony Airlines might be ready to move on by the time I ship him his replacement hubcap.
Doug DeMuro
Look at this. Really, though, did he say that?
Nick Kenan
No, I just suspected because you've had. It's implied by the length of his
Doug DeMuro
ownership, the fact that he has one at all. Now, if. If we got a Vel, it'd be different because I think that would give me some luxury.
Filippo
It is more comfortable, for sure.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Filippo
I should look into that. I could buy a car in Italy.
Nick Kenan
Do it.
Filippo
I won't, obviously, but I could.
Doug DeMuro
What you're hoping is that some viewers like, hey, I'll give you a car.
Filippo
I don't want any kind of responsibility, so I actually will just rent the car from whichever rental car company was cheapest when I booked it months ago.
Doug DeMuro
If you don't want any kind of responsibility, you should do what I do and get the full insurance.
Filippo
I've never been in any kind of motor vehicle altercation.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, but if you get the full insurance, you will be. That's the thing.
Filippo
I. I would prefer to avoid that.
Doug DeMuro
No, no. This is one of the things I do. Listen, I. I'm not. I'm not wealthy to the point where I can just do whatever I want, but I. I have enough money now where I can do stuff like buy the full insurance. And when I do that.
Filippo
Good for you.
Doug DeMuro
I just treat it like a bumper car. I'm dead serious.
Nick Kenan
You see a clarity.
Doug DeMuro
You just. I now, whenever I go to Europe now, I get full insurance, and I. If it scrapes on something, it scrapes on something. They sold me the insurance, naturally, by
Filippo
virtue of who I am, I just will not scrape it on something.
Doug DeMuro
That's how I felt for a long time, too. And then this last time, I was in Italy and I had this van and I had full insurance, and I was parking a tight spot, and there was, for some reason, a giant. A row of giant cement pillars next to the parking spots, all of which had paint transfer. And I just. And then you'd think that you'd try to get out of there and park somewhere else. No, I went and then we were in the spot.
Filippo
That poor V series Mercedes. Oh, I can't do that to a car.
Nick Kenan
Well, enjoy Italy.
Filippo
Thank you. I will. I'm excited. There will be a couple weeks that I'm not on this podcast. I know.
Doug DeMuro
Oh my God.
Filippo
And I'm sad about that.
Doug DeMuro
Who's going to be instead?
Nick Kenan
Ryan Lopez and I are going to arm wrestle.
Doug DeMuro
What time is this podcast? You could do this podcast early evening.
Filippo
It's true.
Doug DeMuro
And then you could update us on the rental car thing.
Filippo
Excellent plan. Not a shot.
Doug DeMuro
What about. Do they not have little manual SUVs anymore?
Filippo
There's a chance that that's what I get. Like I could get a Renegade with a manual that exists. But that would be a bad decision because it's a bad product.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, right. I agree.
Filippo
And so I. Last year, the first car that I got was an Opal Grand Land.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah.
Filippo
Which is like a midsize suv.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah.
Filippo
It had a manual and a diesel and it was. Had a little bit of an oil leak issue. So you gave it a. I gave it back and I got a picture.
Doug DeMuro
I would never have done that. I would have just bought some oil. You know what your problem is?
Filippo
I also really didn't want the Opal Grand Land. We showed up at an Airbnb and the guy legitimately yelled at me about why did I bring that big a car to his town. And I decided that that wasn't something I was interested in.
Doug DeMuro
And then you spoke to him in Italian and of course. Explain yourself. Last car segment thing I want to discuss is my search for an S210E55.
Filippo
Folks, that's not what you have written down, buddy.
Doug DeMuro
Sean S-E A N@carsandbids.com S E A N@carsandbids dot com I want a 2000 or 2001 E55 wagon, silver post facelift. I don't even care if it is a third row anymore. I don't care. It doesn't matter to me. That's what I want. Thanks to Nick, one of them came up on Facebook. Marketplace in the Northwest. I know about that car. I declined to purchase it. I'm not going to talk bad about it, but I would say that if you were interested in of a couple car that you. You may wouldn't want that one either.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
But nonetheless, I'm still looking. If you have one of these, find it. Additionally, I am looking for a Supra. I want a Mark 4 Red Mark 4 Turbo manual I'm ready to buy today. S E a n@carsandbiz.com don't send automatics. We know about the automatics. If the car is listed on the Internet assume that I've seen it left hand drive send me. Yeah I want lhd. I want a USDM Supra turbo.
Filippo
Are you actually ready to do this tomorrow? What about a month from now?
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, a month from now. Two months from now. Tomorrow I'm doing it.
Filippo
Wow.
Doug DeMuro
Mark 4 Super Turbo Renaissance red stick. Not modified and that card may not exist. Not only gets an E eventually I'm going to have to compromise on color and I know I'm going to have to do that.
Filippo
And mods I also want to mods are reversible.
Nick Kenan
A lot of them anyway.
Filippo
You'd accept light mods like. Like actually light.
Doug DeMuro
I need to pass small. Yeah and I and that E55 that's what I'm looking for. S a ncars and bids.com send Sean an email if you have those things. Sean is paying top dollar.
Filippo
You know what I'm going to just put it out there. I'm going to create the alias right after this. You can also email Sean with the other spelling@carson bids.com we'll make sure of
Doug DeMuro
course we'll make sure spelling of Sean and cars and bins Any realistic spelling
Filippo
that I'm going to think about in the next minute.
Doug DeMuro
S H a W N. Yeah that's only one S H un no.
Nick Kenan
I'm excited for you to follow in my footsteps. Do Shane also on an E55.
Doug DeMuro
That's true Nick. I'll be following your footsteps. Of course. I had two AMG wagons before you were while you were still money shift on your TTRs back when you're in
Nick Kenan
the money shift you had a bad color E63 automatic.
Doug DeMuro
That is true. And then I had a good color E63 automatic.
Filippo
Did you?
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, I had a white one when
Nick Kenan
I first moved here.
Doug DeMuro
You knew me when I owned this car.
Nick Kenan
You think that's a good color?
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, it was nice. Okay, it's time to move on to the market report. And is the market report brought to you by Carson Bay? Yeah, the market report is brought to you by nick's merch line 22.58.
Filippo
Really?
Doug DeMuro
That's what that costs?
Nick Kenan
That's it. Can you believe it? That's with no profit margin whistle and Diesel's charging like 50 bucks a shirt.
Filippo
Can I get clarity? That's what I as a consumer would pay. Or that's what your break even is.
Nick Kenan
No. I make like $11.27. Or whatever happens.
Doug DeMuro
Okay. In other words, the shirt will last three laundry cycles. People.
Nick Kenan
Gildan makes it.
Filippo
That feels right.
Nick Kenan
It's a poly blend.
Doug DeMuro
It's $7 per wear. Because after the third wear, the shirt has destroyed.
Nick Kenan
I've actually watched this once already.
Filippo
Or you can have a lifetime of happiness. Just go to carsonbids.com or go to
Doug DeMuro
carsandbids.com and get good merchandise. Wait a minute. Yeah. We're not trying to sell his. We have merchandise.
Nick Kenan
I do. My next job is going to be Doug Demuro copies all of my cars.
Doug DeMuro
Carsandbids.com so niche. Where's our merch?
Filippo
Merch?
Doug DeMuro
I know how to get to it. Sake. I bet you can figure it out.
Filippo
Merch Car 2001.
Nick Kenan
Email Sean with instructions on how to
Doug DeMuro
Sean with your shirt size.
Nick Kenan
It's like the old mailing or mail in things you need to write down. Handwrite like in the boxes.
Filippo
The market report is brought to you by Cars and Bits. Cars and Bits dot com.
Nick Kenan
The web app or the mobile app.
Filippo
Doug, what you got for us?
Doug DeMuro
Okay. I want to talk about pace cars. Can you pull it up, please? You saw this? You saw this yesterday.
Nick Kenan
I didn't.
Doug DeMuro
All right. We sold. We didn't sell or did sell. I don't know. But we had a Camaro pace car. Folks, my guilty pleasure, like Nick's guilty pleasure is watching Newsmax after his wife goes to bed. My guilty pleasure.
Nick Kenan
I don't even know what that is.
Filippo
San Diego company. He's local.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, exactly. Local to north.
Nick Kenan
I don't.
Doug DeMuro
I don't. My guilty pleasure is pace cars. I love the indie pace car versions of all the cars.
Filippo
To be clear.
Nick Kenan
Not.
Filippo
These were not cars that were literally pace cars.
Doug DeMuro
The actual pace car needs to be preserved somewhere. That fella has a museum to him. The fellow, Roger. What's his name? You know the Penske.
Filippo
He's got.
Doug DeMuro
He's got all the. Every time he won Indie. He's got the pace car and the real car. I don't want any part of that. I want the. The BS version. The. The replica.
Filippo
Yep.
Doug DeMuro
This was somebody first off. Bid to 9,100 bucks. This. 900 bucks.
Nick Kenan
60,000 miles.
Doug DeMuro
This is cool. That's the other thing. Some dude got the pleasure of driving this 60,000. How cool would it be to drive around a pace car for 60,000 miles? Miles.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
I want a fourth gen Camaro Firebird. So it would be so Cool. Anyway, what my point is Pace cars are cool even if you don't think they are. And they are cheap.
Filippo
They are. Cuz they're always the worst version of that GM product.
Doug DeMuro
No, it's a Z28.
Nick Kenan
There were a lot of GM products with an automatic. Very questionable.
Doug DeMuro
You're missing the point. Click on the seats. Once you see this, look at the rest. Go to the interior. And go to the interior.
Filippo
Oh wow. I forgot about that. Yeah. All right, point taken.
Nick Kenan
I'd mess with that, I grant you that.
Doug DeMuro
Go to the. Wait. Go to the back seats.
Filippo
The rest of them. We apparently struggle to sell Pace cars.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, no.
Nick Kenan
Well, it's hard.
Doug DeMuro
It's hard.
Nick Kenan
Everyone does a premium for a car that looks like that.
Doug DeMuro
Everyone struggles to sell Pace cars because they're. They're very limited and they have this sort of special pizzazz around them. But ultimately they are not that desirable. And they're always really easy to find because they're kind of always for sale because they were saved and really.
Nick Kenan
Yeah. And they're.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah.
Nick Kenan
Well preserved.
Doug DeMuro
They're.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
Like if they made 500, all 500 are still exist and are like socked away and so it's not. They're not valuable. And yes, they were 90s cars mostly. They're not only GM. So here's an interesting factoid. Back in the day, the Indy 500 pace car, there used to be like a fight between who would actually pace. Would it be Chrysler, would it be Ford, would it be gm? And at some point that ended and now GM has paced for decades and it's stupid, but there used to be a fight. John Mellencamp's wife drove an Oldsmobile Bravada as an Indy Pacer car in like 2002. Needless to say, they didn't make a Pace car edition of that Stabilit track. Stabilit track.
Nick Kenan
Pretty cool actually.
Doug DeMuro
Look at those seats.
Nick Kenan
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
9,100 bucks. Now it didn't sell, but that's what it was worth.
Nick Kenan
Yeah. O2.
Doug DeMuro
You said the, the. The final gen Bravada.
Filippo
I prefer the up to 2000.
Doug DeMuro
No, no. No one else does.
Filippo
No, no, not like as a car,
Doug DeMuro
but pull up Bravadas.
Filippo
No. Nick, you know this car we actually hosted have one.
Nick Kenan
We had a Jimmy of.
Doug DeMuro
We did. I reviewed a. Really?
Filippo
You reviewed a. I do remember prior to that point you reviewed it.
Doug DeMuro
I reviewed both of those. I reviewed both of those cars.
Filippo
Seriously, I love this Bravada. Yeah. Not a good car. Love that. The next gen is like the Trailblazer Gen.
Doug DeMuro
But I'll tell you something. A 4.3 V6, which is an engine I made fun of constantly when I was growing up because it had 190 horse out of 4.3 liters. Over time, you. You. When. When you're. When your mindset. When your mindset shifts and. And reliability and longevity and durability become your interest, the 4.3 L V6, you start to really get into.
Filippo
Yep.
Nick Kenan
Sounds like a Toyota owner dude.
Doug DeMuro
That pace car for 9100 bucks and the fact that somebody got to drive it 60,000 miles. That dude was just daily in a V8 Camaro pace car.
Nick Kenan
Felipe, that grand spot, it looks so bad.
Doug DeMuro
I want that car so bad. I like like my 90s GM.
Filippo
Yep. Who doesn't like deep? Sold for 23.7,000 miles, but that is 23.
Nick Kenan
The AMG GT coupe was also on my list of like, man, every. Every week those get more attractive.
Doug DeMuro
I was not, not interested in that grand sport. I think it was in Florida.
Filippo
By the way, I think we have another grand sport that's live by the time you watch this.
Doug DeMuro
Ooh, is it a. Is it a nice blue?
Filippo
It is so cool. I think about an equivalently nice coupe to this.
Doug DeMuro
This car is so.
Nick Kenan
Legitimate question. Is that the only car to pull off black wheels?
Filippo
Well, if you think it pulled it off. Well, maybe I do.
Nick Kenan
It is part of the Look Project 8. Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
Maybe the only crowd ever project.
Nick Kenan
It could have any wheels and I'd still think it's cool. Teddy bears on it. I'm still into it.
Filippo
Well, that's cool on anything.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, totally. Pace cars are the bargain of the century.
Filippo
Can I talk about C6s?
Doug DeMuro
Of course. Felipe wants to talk about Corvettes,
Filippo
but.
Doug DeMuro
All right.
Filippo
The other day we sold this, which must be the single nicest C6Z6 left. It's in a color, has 8,500 miles.
Doug DeMuro
Super late year.
Filippo
Like California owned pretty much on. The only modification was something minor.
Doug DeMuro
Yep, sure.
Filippo
Right. Like LED light bulbs and fog lights to that.
Nick Kenan
And they pulled a fuse.
Filippo
60 grand. Oh, yeah. That is both a lot for a C6.
Nick Kenan
Yeah.
Filippo
But such a bargain for a 7L V8. The nicest. Just one of these.
Nick Kenan
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
I mean, you can. It depends what you're looking for. Like, I presume this is going to go to someone who's also going to use it primarily as a show car. Like the. Like this deal. Yeah, like There are better C6Z06 deals.
Filippo
No, no. But the fact that the highest echelon. Yeah, obviously there's also like no mile
Doug DeMuro
car, 30 to 60 car.
Filippo
But like that feels like a bargain for the top corner.
Doug DeMuro
Here's a question for you. For this same money you could get a C8.
Nick Kenan
Yeah.
Filippo
I'd rather have a C6.
Doug DeMuro
I'd rather of a C8.
Filippo
Can I. Fine. I'll talk about C8. C8 are getting down to the like have retained their value but are dropping. Yeah. Not spikers did notice.
Doug DeMuro
All right.
Filippo
This Z06 convertible Y I'd rather have a 130. It's a lot of money. Y do you what sticker was on
Doug DeMuro
this Z06 convertible 3LZ. A lot of options.
Nick Kenan
I mean 195.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah.
Filippo
Something high 182 it's up there. So C6 C8s in general we've said they're holding their value pretty well. Cuz they have not driven drop past high 50.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah.
Filippo
On like a 70 sticker for a day. But the expensive ones are 50 grand
Doug DeMuro
Z6 I think especially cuz ZR1 came out pretty quick after my buddy Brett like made an offer at a dealer on a new Z06 was of like 10 under thinking that they would be like. And they on the spot were like yep, nope, let's do it. Let's do the paperwork. He was like oh my God.
Filippo
Brett by the way ended up with an M coupe.
Doug DeMuro
An M coupe.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
But he still talks about how he wants a Z06. Don't we all. They're amazing cars. But it's. It's still big money. I mean I think think that the. The story, the really desirable story with the C8 is value. And so at 180 it's a tough car at that. It starts to get to be a tough car.
Filippo
It's interesting how much the top end like buy a base C8 if you want to retain value. Buy a base C8. Turns out to be the answer. Yeah.
Nick Kenan
For once being cheap pays off.
Filippo
Hell yeah.
Doug DeMuro
And honestly a base C8 is such a thrill that it's like totally fine.
Nick Kenan
I thought that same way the C5 the base is plenty fun. We'd all prefer the Z06 especially for 11. For the majority of drivers it has more power than you're going to know
Doug DeMuro
what to tell you.
Filippo
Absolutely.
Doug DeMuro
On that subject, I want to talk about the Caprice. Did you see this Caprice? We sold the Caprice PPV for more money than I was expecting.
Filippo
Wow.
Doug DeMuro
16 but. But this is the dream Caprice PPV. You know about this car?
Nick Kenan
Not this one. I know Caprices in general.
Doug DeMuro
This car was Australian built and it was only sold to government fleets. So you had to be. Or fleets in general.
Nick Kenan
General.
Filippo
Yep.
Doug DeMuro
And. But this is a good one because a lot of them were converted into marked police cars and then used and then you know, run over curbs. This was a detective model.
Filippo
This is the one. Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
So it doesn't have holes in it for light bars and things like that. Still has hubcaps. Didn't have many miles on it. And you know what I realized that is that a Caprice PPV is kind of a backdoor way into owning like a Corvette or a Camaro sedan. It's a six liter V8 with 400 horsepower. That's a C6.
Filippo
Yep.
Doug DeMuro
And I mean.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
And. But for 16 grand and it's four doors, it's not nice. Like the interior was government fleet.
Nick Kenan
Understatement.
Doug DeMuro
But it's 16 grand and it's. And it's still a big old V8. Like. And. And this one wasn't really used much. 60,000 miles of 15 year old car.
Filippo
I should say. It is not actually the V8 from the C6 Corvette.
Doug DeMuro
Different motor.
Filippo
It's a different motor entirely. Has notably less power, but it is a cool.
Doug DeMuro
What do you mean notably?
Filippo
Three power 50 go down.
Doug DeMuro
How much power does that?
Filippo
350. 350. 355.
Doug DeMuro
What? What? And 384 pounds. Feet.
Filippo
I thought a base C6 had 400.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, 360 to 400. Dude.
Filippo
15%.
Doug DeMuro
The Julia Quadrifoglio had 505 horse when the M3 had 425.
Filippo
436.
Doug DeMuro
Oh, this is a late.
Filippo
That is a late one.
Doug DeMuro
Late one.
Nick Kenan
I mean all of that is true. But you can get an S55 that meets all of that criteria. Way nicer inside the price. A grand buys a nice S55.
Doug DeMuro
But Nick, that's the point.
Nick Kenan
You don't have a fleet sale interior. You have more power.
Filippo
You gotta ask.
Nick Kenan
It checks all the boxes for four grand less.
Filippo
Do you not buy this? Look at that.
Nick Kenan
It doesn't even have headlights. Someone control x them and forgot the
Doug DeMuro
control V. But like that's the thing. Like the Caprice is going to be relatively affordable to own. Do you understand? Kind of where I'm headed with this.
Nick Kenan
Tc.
Doug DeMuro
Tco tco is what I'm saying. Yeah, I know that. This doesn't matter guy. Money shifts to tt, rebuilds the motor. Doesn't care.
Nick Kenan
You got four grand left over for maintenance.
Filippo
What's it gonna Call maintenance.
Doug DeMuro
That's all you'll need. This is also the gray looks for headlights right there.
Filippo
The gray looks good.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. It's a nice looking car. This is a backdoor way into owning a nice G8 or a nice C6 Corvette or a CTS V without making a big splash. There's one other market report we gotta talk about which is.
Nick Kenan
Is oh mine.
Filippo
Wow.
Nick Kenan
Sls. You guys have a very nice one that is not sold yet and I think that's the nicest one. These cars still blow my mind because it came after the SLR and is arguably better in a lot of ways. They are much more affordable. The roadsters in particular are like a significant discount over the fixed roof.
Filippo
Such a bargain.
Doug DeMuro
But the roadsters aren't.
Nick Kenan
But all of the. They're just such a cool car and I think it blows people away in terms of like how special it is. I mean to buy that for 83 or to buy a coupe for mid 1/ hundreds.
Filippo
Specialness for 83 is high
Nick Kenan
911s that.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah.
Nick Kenan
But nothing interesting about AMG GT is
Doug DeMuro
faster than this car, more agile than this car.
Filippo
This is a beautiful car.
Nick Kenan
Look at this.
Filippo
Feel special.
Doug DeMuro
AMG GT is beautiful and feels special.
Nick Kenan
You're going to win your small town. They're going to win small town Concord in this and an amazing AMG gt. They're going to think you're another.
Doug DeMuro
I totally disagree. I think 99.99999% of people seeing those two cars driving down the road will think they are exactly the same car.
Filippo
I will think that sauce is cooler
Doug DeMuro
and the AMG GT is faster and cheaper. The coupe is a different story. If you go back to the coupe that we're selling right now with the doors, that is cool. Like the doors. A lot of cars have open doors that open like that, like up.
Nick Kenan
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
No cars have true gull wings. Except for this and the gull wing.
Filippo
Yeah.
Nick Kenan
And look at that. I mean maybe the photos are just really good but. And funny enough this guy said that he bought it and just liked his Porsche better basically. But look at that. I would have that over a Porsche of the same price point every day of the week without thinking twice.
Doug DeMuro
It is not a car for Porsche people. It is actually a surprisingly precise driving experience. But it's definitely more of a V8 muscle car. You can't get your stitching. You can't get. It's like it doesn't have like the
Nick Kenan
Porsche, it's like a muscle car crowd to it.
Doug DeMuro
It's more of A muscle car vibe. And it's more of like a kind of supercar. Maybe even a bit more of a look at me.
Filippo
Which for 83 cab is. I, I, I get your point.
Nick Kenan
Right.
Filippo
This doesn't have the doors. The doors, but it looks better than amg. I think the AMG GT looks great. This looks more classic.
Doug DeMuro
Maybe you. I think that virtually everybody else. The MGT has a long hood too.
Filippo
It's longer.
Doug DeMuro
Let's get a tape measure left.
Filippo
Get a bolt light. I. You see an sls, you're like an sls.
Doug DeMuro
When I see an SLS coupe, I do say that.
Filippo
Yeah. No, not for a cab Roadstrom.
Doug DeMuro
Like AMG G is better in every way.
Nick Kenan
I don't know. I'm a Roadster fan. Personally.
Filippo
I do love. To be clear, I've been talking about how great the AMG GT is constantly because it is exceptional.
Doug DeMuro
This one is really cool. Did you see this? We got this four door on the site right now, but it has like not annoying wheels. So many of the four doors, the wheels are like 50s and they're just like in your face. Like I'm gonna. Yeah, like it's. I like these wheels.
Nick Kenan
I like, but it's a lot.
Doug DeMuro
This car is like the subtle and all the other subtle. Four doors are 43s or 53s and this is a 63, but with the subtle wheels.
Nick Kenan
I feel like it looks like Filippo spec'd it.
Doug DeMuro
This, this is the kind of. This is the kind of car that a person of your interest level in things wouldn't want.
Nick Kenan
What is that supposed to mean?
Doug DeMuro
Like, you know, like a showy fella who wants to maybe loudly and proudly talk about some of his political affiliations. Maybe he wouldn't want one of these. But a nice Swiss gentleman who wants to be under the radar but still enjoy 600 horsepower, that's what he.
Nick Kenan
I'm definitely not a nice Swiss gentleman.
Filippo
Have we ever auctioned a convertible engine gt? They exist, right?
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, tons. Many look.
Filippo
That is a pretty car. SLS is better looking, but it looks very similar. Also cheap.
Doug DeMuro
That's the thing. These are a lot cheaper than SLS somehow. And they're faster and newer and I don't necessarily see a huge benefit to the sls. This is a great motor. Anybody who says that they want any motor more than the twin Turbo AMG V8 has never driven a twin turbo AMG. We have to move on to the questions. The questions, of course are brought you to to you by Nick's merch line.
Nick Kenan
Amazing. I'm going to get like two sales today.
Doug DeMuro
For $22.88, you too can have this lovely shirt.
Filippo
Do I get a kickback for just being around this?
Nick Kenan
I can send promotion, a promo if you willing to wear it.
Doug DeMuro
No. They're brought to you by John by Ryan Lopez's mechanic skills. Ryan Lopez. If three of if you floor it and three warning lights come on while you're driving on the 411, Ryan knows what to do. Ryan Lopez will fix it on the side. Pure muscle.
Nick Kenan
He's been there. It's very true.
Doug DeMuro
Okay, there's a lot of questions this week. Remember, you too can ask questions. Go to carsandbids.com, click on the community tab. And then there's a space that says podcast questions and ask it, folks. I was getting questions up until like five minutes ago. If you're sitting here watching this thinking, oh, it's too late. It is not too late. Ask us questions. And if you have a good red manual super turn turbo or a W210S210E55 wagon, send it to Sean. S e a n carsandbids.com or S
Filippo
h a w. Who cares?
Doug DeMuro
Or sha u n we're even going to do that. S h a n e Shane Cars
Nick Kenan
and bids pull up that Ranger.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. Flatbed Ranger stakeside.
Nick Kenan
I want that. That is so cool. Don't know what I'd do with it, man.
Filippo
You need it.
Nick Kenan
That is worth every penny of 600 bucks.
Doug DeMuro
This is like the A class, though, like. Yeah, I totally agree. Like, we go to the interior.
Nick Kenan
I would start a landscaping business.
Doug DeMuro
I remember this interior. I can tell you everything. I live been in so many of these and I just know that, like, six weeks into it, you're like, well, back in the plastic.
Nick Kenan
Yeah.
Filippo
Yeah.
Nick Kenan
No, I mean, the Ford Explorer is the exact same dash. Yeah, exactly.
Doug DeMuro
And a lot of Fords. Honestly, a lot of Ford trucks.
Nick Kenan
Bench seat in the front's nice.
Filippo
Then you got a long throw front
Doug DeMuro
bench, but with a manual. Yeah, don't put your foot there. One time I was on a small plane and they sat me in the front and I had no leg room and I was sitting there like this and my knee over, like, it was an hour flight and my knee over time, like, started to, like, move into a control and just barely tapped at the pal. I was like, don't touch that. I was like, oh, my God. I barely contort into the space. That could be you sitting right next to me. Arm around each other in our Ranger stakeside.
Nick Kenan
That would be cool. Ranger danger, baby.
Doug DeMuro
Oh wow. Felipe's going through the cars. Okay, first question from JB86. First question. The Porsche museum had a first gen, has a first gen Cayenne convertible prototype. You ever seen a picture of this? Pull it up.
Nick Kenan
Yeah, the one that looks like kind of a speedster. Yeah, I'm, I'm a bigger fan of the Newport convertible engineering version. But had Porsche. Yeah, that, that's so cool.
Doug DeMuro
Had Porsche made this.
Filippo
I don't. Uhoh.
Nick Kenan
We're in AI mode.
Filippo
We're in AI mode.
Doug DeMuro
Had Porsche made this wood. Doug of bot. The thing I think is cool. Pull up that picture. The thing I think is cool that people don't realize. Cuz the pictures that they've shown are from the side. It does look like this. Because it was a design study. They were trying, they were trying to design two different rear ends. Exactly. And so they put them both on the car. So the real, the real one, this is a, this is a rendering. But the real one looks like that. But they only ever show side photos because they don't want anybody to see it.
Nick Kenan
It's super cool.
Doug DeMuro
So would Doug have bought that instead of the G convertible? No. Next question. Would you have bought it? For sure you'd buy a two door Cayenne convertible?
Nick Kenan
I, I would buy any Cayenne convertible.
Doug DeMuro
Convertible.
Nick Kenan
SUVs are Pinnacle. One day you'll learn this.
Doug DeMuro
Wait a sec.
Nick Kenan
One day you should get one. Wait a sec, we can talk about it.
Doug DeMuro
You'd buy any Cayenne convertible. So if one were to come up on cars and bids, would you buy it?
Nick Kenan
Trust me, I've, I've seen it. I've heard of it. I would have bought it had I acted on Facebook Marketplace quicker.
Filippo
Yeah, you should have.
Nick Kenan
I still think that is a very cool car.
Filippo
You should have regrets.
Nick Kenan
And I kind of want to put wood paneling on my L405 just to pay tribute to it.
Doug DeMuro
Next question from SEBH9. Hello, Doug. Are there any, any more ideas in the pipeline for concept car reviews? And if so, can we get small spoilers? Maybe the Cadillac El Mirage? I did actually. So I reviewed a concept car six months ago in Detroit. It was a Cadillac Voyage, the 80s concept car. So I reviewed this Cadillac Voyage up in Detroit and I learned something on this shoot, which is concept cars, though they look like cars, they are not cars. They are display pieces. And I've always known this. But this really drove it home when the guy was like, listen, he's like, we can only drive around The GM campus. We can't go on the street and we can't go more than 12 miles an hour and you really don't want to take any bumps. So if you get to a bump you got to go really, really, really, really slow. And one time I got up to a bump and I went really, really slow and he said that was too fast. And so concept cars are rather difficult vehicles to review. However. This is a spoiler. Last week at the Peterson Museum I reviewed a movie car which honestly is basically a concept car. Pull up the Jaguar that I reviewed. Do you know what it is?
Filippo
I don't know what it's called now.
Doug DeMuro
XKR from Die Another Day.
Nick Kenan
Love this car.
Doug DeMuro
This was one of my all time favorite movie cars.
Nick Kenan
I've got this diecast somewhere and there
Doug DeMuro
it is right there. That's literally the car. Peterson Museum.
Nick Kenan
It's like your grandpappy's Jag.
Doug DeMuro
Yep.
Nick Kenan
Except the gun.
Doug DeMuro
Here's an. It has a gun. It's also one other main difference from your grandpappy's Jag. It's on a Ford Explorer chassis and it has four wheel drive.
Nick Kenan
Really?
Doug DeMuro
And a Windsor 3 video too.
Nick Kenan
Wow. That went through a lot of effort.
Doug DeMuro
Anyway, the video's coming and it's going to be quite a video, let me just tell you.
Filippo
You reviewed a couple other other things.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, but this was the highlight how cool they made eight and a couple of them were on explore chassis including this one. And it's quite something.
Nick Kenan
That is way more than I expected
Doug DeMuro
driving this around la.
Nick Kenan
I assume this was just a body cat on a Jag.
Doug DeMuro
No, it's. It's real. Cuz it had to like slide around and like really do stuff. I guess I. I guess in order to modify it to get the speeds they wanted or the capabilities they wanted, it had to. I think four wheel drive was essential because if you've ever driven on ice, rear wheeel drive is like very difficult to control anyway and so once they
Nick Kenan
were doing in person or I mean like it looks really normal, way you
Doug DeMuro
can tell the rear offset is wrong, the rear wheel is, is. Is out further than it should. But the other way you can tell is the moment you start goes, you know, you know this car, it goes like this. So I drove around LA, no exhaust, no muffler, with a big old Ford V8 and medium sized Ford V8. I was anxious about the police so I didn't drive it for long. But it was an unbelievable experience. Also when they gave me the keys, which was a set of house keys they said, it's only got a three gallon gallon tank, so don't go far. And I said, all right. And then I started it and it made that noise. And I was thinking, well, that was about a half a gallon right there.
Filippo
Were you worried the police would have concerns about the gun on the back?
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, we were concerned about the gun, but. But I was especially concerned about the exhaust note attracting attention.
Filippo
To the gun?
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, to the gun. People are like, what is that? Oh, it's a car driving around with a gun. Yeah, we have some problems.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
But I got it right back to the museum.
Filippo
Shout out to the Peterson.
Doug DeMuro
Unbelievable experience. Anyway, I always wanted this movie car, and I don't anymore.
Nick Kenan
Understandable.
Doug DeMuro
Every time I'm around a concept car or movie car that I've always wanted, I come away thinking, I don't want to even see this.
Nick Kenan
What about The Jurassic Park ML320?
Doug DeMuro
Yeah.
Nick Kenan
You were there, right?
Doug DeMuro
I was there. But I wonder if it.
Nick Kenan
We wanted that.
Doug DeMuro
I wonder if it would drive. You know what I mean? What. What motor does that have? What other stuff did they do to that?
Nick Kenan
It certainly had some visibility impairment.
Doug DeMuro
This is our favorite movie car.
Filippo
No, I'm familiar.
Doug DeMuro
This is Jurassic Park 2, which actually is filmed partially set partially in San Diego. The T. Rex gets loose here in San Diego and kills all sorts of stuff.
Filippo
We're pretty close to the zoo. Was it at the zoo?
Doug DeMuro
No, the T. Rex. What happened was they were bringing the dinosaur into the port of San Diego. You've never seen the movie?
Filippo
No.
Doug DeMuro
It's one of the great scenes. You remember this? No, the dinosaur, they lose contact with the ship. What happened? Where's the. They're not the dinosaurs on the ship. They've got the T. Rex. He's sedated inside the ship. They're like, oh, the ship, it's coming, it's coming. They see it on the radar screen, and then they look up and the ship is coming full speed into the port because it didn't slow down because the T. Rex ate everybody on board. And then the ship crashes into the port, and then the T. Rex gets loose and starts terrorizing San Diego. And the ML320 by then was no longer part of the movie, but it was a great couple scenes that it was in.
Nick Kenan
Oh, I'm going to rewatch that.
Doug DeMuro
It's good. It's a good film. Next question from Foy Runa. Dear Doug, are there any car youtubers? This is for all of us, especially you car youtubers that you haven't met, but Would like to meet. I would love to be a fly on the wall for a Doug Demiro and Scotty Kilmer conversation.
Nick Kenan
Same.
Doug DeMuro
I've got no interest in me in Scotty Kilmer, obviously. My number one that I would like to meet is Whistling Y. Who do you want to meet?
Nick Kenan
I want to have a competition between me, Rich Rebuilds and Scott. Sam crack on who can do the most half assed job at repairing a broken car.
Doug DeMuro
You. And. And Rich rebuilds and Sam crack.
Filippo
But they're like good at this.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, but like in a joking way. Rich Rebuilds is the all time greatest automotive YouTuber. I'm just saying.
Nick Kenan
Agreed.
Doug DeMuro
You agree, right? Yeah, it's.
Nick Kenan
He just did an Audi S8 that I just like. I wanted to slow down time and savor in it, you know.
Doug DeMuro
There is absolutely the funniest person in the entire history.
Nick Kenan
So good.
Doug DeMuro
So good.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
Wish I could be on that level. But I have to provide helpful advice. Sean tells me I can't say things like that. Not that I'm anywhere near as funny as Rich Rebuilds the greatest automotive YouTuber. So that's what you want to do? Yeah, I think that would be great. I think it would be cool if you all started with roughly the same car and the same tools and whatever and you were given like six hours and you had. Whatever comes out of it is what comes out of it.
Nick Kenan
It would be like Kartrak. Only the first person to escape Sam's farm wins. And no one would win. It would be a never ending project and we would all just live on Sam's property.
Doug DeMuro
The rest of the world, Sam would kill them all and eat them.
Nick Kenan
But we would have the most shameless product integrations known to mankind. Just shove it full of ass.
Doug DeMuro
Is that what Sam? Sam does?
Nick Kenan
Sam. I admire Sam greatly, but let's just say TEMU has approached both of us for some heavy promo content. And Sam and I are the only two people in automotive YouTube saying yes, me, because I got nothing to lose. Sam, I'm not sure why, because he's.
Doug DeMuro
He's gotta be. He's probably gotta pay for all this stuff. I want to talk about Filippo and his car youtubers.
Filippo
I got nothing for you.
Doug DeMuro
Come on. There's nobody I watch.
Filippo
Not that much. Car YouTube.
Doug DeMuro
I'm sorry, everybody. I have introduced you to so many wonderful people in our business over the years. They're delightful. You got nobody.
Filippo
I mean, I've met a lot of delightful people. You did have dinner with the folks from Throttle House and didn't invite Me still angry about that?
Doug DeMuro
No. I had dinner with the straight pipes.
Filippo
Both happened.
Doug DeMuro
I had the folks in the throttle house.
Filippo
Right. Throttle house also came to the office. So I have met. Met them.
Doug DeMuro
Okay.
Filippo
I don't care.
Doug DeMuro
I like. They're.
Nick Kenan
They're great people.
Doug DeMuro
Care to meet these wonderful people. They're delightful people.
Filippo
So from a friendship perspective, I care. Here's a question from a celebrity perspective, I don't care.
Doug DeMuro
A couple days ago, the like the throttle house guys call me James. They only speak to me through James. Tom Thomas doesn't.
Filippo
Thomas and I. Thomas, that is the smartest thing you've ever done.
Nick Kenan
You need an intermediary.
Filippo
So jealous.
Doug DeMuro
This is our intermediary.
Filippo
I'm so jealous of Thomas.
Doug DeMuro
He's like our differential.
Nick Kenan
So we need an office, James.
Filippo
We do need an office.
Doug DeMuro
James. James texts me, by the way. James only. Here's another weird thing. James only speaks to me through voice texts.
Filippo
Oh.
Nick Kenan
Oh, that's the worst. Anyone doing that, please stop. We're all begging you. Psa.
Doug DeMuro
So he texts me and he says, hey, we're doing a video. I don't know, I'm maybe blowing this. They probably shouldn't talk about this first,
Filippo
but I think I probably just should have talked about this.
Doug DeMuro
He says, we're doing a video on the best car at each. The best two car garage at each price point. And we've asked other car YouTubers to give their responses at various price points. And we want to ask you to do the highest price point, the million dollar price point. You have to pick a two car garage. And I said, well, does it have to be a daily driver? He said, whatever you can think of. And so I decided that I wanted to include a daily driver because he said whatever you can dream. And in my dreams, my family's still there. So I did an over trail and a countach. But I'm curious what you think for a million bucks your dream two car garage be
Nick Kenan
Bentley Dominator, which is what?
Filippo
What price point are we putting on?
Nick Kenan
250.
Doug DeMuro
The problem is. And they specifically said this. But the problem is.
Nick Kenan
Yeah. The extant world.
Doug DeMuro
They. They said that you have to have. The price point has to be verifiable.
Nick Kenan
Okay, that makes it trickier.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. So I thought going the dominator route.
Nick Kenan
Yeah. LMO2 for 400. And then I got 600 left to play with. And I would get the nicest Diablo I could buy with six.
Filippo
Probably an se Driving your children around in Nick.
Doug DeMuro
The LMO too.
Nick Kenan
The Lamu.
Filippo
That's fair.
Doug DeMuro
Not frequently Though this is going to be a frequently broken down garage.
Filippo
Yeah.
Nick Kenan
Two Lambos.
Doug DeMuro
Okay. Thank you, Nick, for that. I appreciate it. I'm not even going to ask.
Filippo
Thank you for not appreciate it.
Nick Kenan
The best gift you ever gave us meeting automotive youtubers is you will occasionally invite them over and then invite all of your friends over and then ask them horribly uncomfortable, deeply personal questions. Questions like confronting Hoofy about his marriages in front of his fiance at the time, which was one of the best dinners ever. And I don't think he's ever forgiven you for that.
Doug DeMuro
You know what? They got married. I think in part thanks to me.
Filippo
Do you or despite you? I don't know.
Doug DeMuro
Definitely despite for pushing them in that direction. And is that your recollection of that?
Filippo
Yeah.
Nick Kenan
That's not what happened. I remember Hoovy leaving like. Like just bolting for the door.
Filippo
No shout out to Huvin and April, who we love.
Doug DeMuro
It was great. And yeah, there have been some interesting ones over the years. Next question from Cavalieri. Dear Doug, please tell us what do you think people are using household style outlets for in cars? Blenders? Hair dryers? No, we use it for charging laptops.
Filippo
Yeah. Pretty much it.
Doug DeMuro
If you're on a long road trip, like I have one worked. And so you tether your phone and you plug in your laptop and you can get stuff done while you're. While you're a passenger. It's obviously very useful.
Filippo
You can get converters from the like cigarette style outlet. But it's really nice if you don't need that.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah.
Filippo
And you just plug it in. And you also are pulling more power than the cigarette adapter does.
Nick Kenan
Right.
Filippo
For anything real.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. It's amazing.
Filippo
It's handy. There's a reason that, that every minivan company has put in vacuum. Sometimes you want to just vacuum about your car life.
Doug DeMuro
Life's easier. The household outlets, there are so many benefits. Camera equipment is another one. Like my camera equipment is not necessarily you plug into. Able to usbs. I have the. The brick that plugs into an outlet. Boom. Just plugging in while I'm driving to a shoe. It's very useful.
Filippo
Also sometimes, probably a blender hair dryer requires too much power, I suspect.
Doug DeMuro
But sometimes you. You plug in a blend. You ever. You ever blend in while you drive?
Filippo
No, no, not while you drive. You got to be Unlike the Fiat 500L, you can't normally make espresso in your car.
Doug DeMuro
Right. He has never had a car with a power.
Nick Kenan
Of course not. Of course not. Neither have I. I even had one with USB C. You were looking down upon that earlier. But let me tell you what. That's a badge of pride in my household.
Filippo
Does this sequoia have a power outlet?
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, in the trunk.
Filippo
Nice.
Doug DeMuro
I prefer the power outlets be in the passenger area. My E class station wagon has a US power outlet. Yes. It's only a two prong, but it does.
Filippo
That's okay. That's to be grounded.
Doug DeMuro
Well, that you can't plug in the laptop though.
Filippo
Depends on which adapter you have. It's okay, we'll talk about.
Doug DeMuro
I never thought about doing an adapter.
Filippo
We'll talk about it separately. It's all good. But.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, the E class in the second row has a two prong.
Filippo
Wow.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, it's really nice. It's really nice.
Filippo
I'm not at that level of fancy. Our three row station wagons don't have that.
Nick Kenan
Yeah, don't need them.
Filippo
Well, it'd be nice, actually.
Doug DeMuro
You know, by the way, I think my E class station wagon is faster than yours.
Filippo
That is something we can test.
Nick Kenan
Go to Barona.
Doug DeMuro
Well, let's see. Barona's too short. Well, actually, you know, Barona would probably be the one for me, cuz you'll. You won't get a good launch.
Filippo
Right. Also manual. That, that will hurt his time.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, I think. Yeah, let's keep.
Nick Kenan
Well, I don't think there's a quarter mile anywhere nearby.
Doug DeMuro
E55, 0 to 60 wagon, 4.4 to 4.5 seconds.
Filippo
You got to be in the same ballpark.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. 20, 23. E450 wagon, 0 to 60, 4.4 seconds.
Nick Kenan
Yeah, I can add a lot of power to mine really easily.
Doug DeMuro
And he's a stick. And it's him. Undoubtedly. Mine's faster.
Filippo
Right.
Doug DeMuro
So AMG yourself.
Nick Kenan
Oh,
Doug DeMuro
it's hard to.
Filippo
All right.
Doug DeMuro
To be faster. Can I make a request?
Filippo
Yeah, we'll just be done.
Doug DeMuro
No, we got two more questions. I got more time today.
Filippo
We got two more time.
Doug DeMuro
I, I. It's tons of time.
Nick Kenan
Longest pot ever from just Josh and.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, Doug, what's with that empty spot in your garage on the wall of Colorado place?
Filippo
Don't tell them. They go figure it out, folks. They can figure it out.
Doug DeMuro
My entire life has been devoted to finding a Colorado denim license plate from every county. Pull up a picture of a Colorado. You have to. Because what if they. What if they find it right here? Filippo, this could be the moment. I'm trying to find one from every county. My entire life. I grew up as a boy in Colorado. This was on the road, all the cars. Any one of these, click on that one. And I want to find one for every county. And I'm missing two counties. I've been searching. I swear to God, I've been for 20 years. I've been looking for one of these lights. But I'm missing two counties. Rio Blanco, which starts with Y1V. Rio Blanco's way up there in the northwest. That one there. And Mineral, which is down here. Creed. And 20 years. I would sell. Nick, to finish this run.
Filippo
I'm surprised you're stopping there.
Doug DeMuro
You try to sell you two.
Filippo
I think you would consider it having.
Nick Kenan
Having had the displeasure of liquidating some of your previous holdings. I can tell you people that collect license plates are a very special breed. And I think there's only room in your life for one of them, and that is you. And therefore, I want nothing to do with the rest of the community.
Doug DeMuro
Nick. I'll give anybody who can turn up for me a Mineral denim or a Rio Blanco denim. I'll give you a thousand dollars each.
Filippo
That includes you, plus the value of the plate.
Doug DeMuro
Now, I want to tell you something. Rio Blanco.
Nick Kenan
I got stuff that.
Doug DeMuro
There's 500 of them, and they're pairs. So there's a thousand plates. There's a ton out there. This could be a way for you to make some extra cash.
Filippo
How many collectors have them all?
Doug DeMuro
There's only one or two guys.
Filippo
Wow.
Doug DeMuro
Who have a full set. And Mineral is a story. It's, like, very difficult. So mineral's gonna be hard. I don't think you'll find that one. But Rio Blanco's findable. Nick, why you go to Mercury? There's an old lady we know of who has one, and she's unwilling. She's not ready to let them go yet.
Filippo
There's a thousand of them.
Doug DeMuro
There's a thousand of them.
Filippo
There's gonna be many of them.
Doug DeMuro
The last year they were made was 12-31-99 was when they. So it's been 25 years.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug DeMuro
And you know, people didn't save this kind of stuff.
Filippo
Right.
Doug DeMuro
They don't realize how special it is.
Filippo
It's in somebody's barn.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. The mineral, maybe not. That's a different situation. But the Rio Blanco is. I'm offered 1,000 bucks to Filipo. This is a good opportunity.
Filippo
Plus the value of the plate. I assume that they're valuable.
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. So $1,006. Filippo, this could be a chance for you to. Really. And you could say I did something. If you I'll tell you this. If you go to Meeker.
Filippo
Yeah. Is it a nice town?
Doug DeMuro
Meeker, It's a sort of a high, high, high plains town. It's really a mountain community in a sense, but it's not in the mountains.
Filippo
Oh, this looks beautiful.
Doug DeMuro
Well, that's. Yeah, it's fine. It's nice. Meeker's nice. And. And if you go there, I'll pay your airfare.
Nick Kenan
It's fine. Newtown slogan. It's fine.
Doug DeMuro
I don't know what this is. I see a B7 Audi, license plate. Yeah, nice B7 there. FJ40. Filippo, there's great cars in Meeker.
Nick Kenan
By Filipo standards, those are pretty decent.
Filippo
This is like a beautiful town.
Doug DeMuro
It's a beautiful town. Yeah. So look, I'll pay your airfare and your travel to go to Meeker and find one.
Nick Kenan
You know, every once in a while we just see people with like the old California plates still roll rocking and you know, like, you could probably just go there with a Phillips head screwdriver, drive around enough.
Doug DeMuro
No, we. There's only like. There's like two or three pairs still on the road.
Filippo
We know that Doug has considered find some jobs.
Doug DeMuro
I carfaxed them at all at one point. You. They all had. They started Y1V like 0100 and I Carfax through 0500 one day.
Nick Kenan
Man, miss having that unlimited carfax.
Doug DeMuro
It was a great day.
Filippo
It was great.
Nick Kenan
It was great.
Doug DeMuro
Filippo, if I'll pay your airfare and your travel. To me, the thousand bucks no longer applies. But I'll pay your airfare and travel
Filippo
pretty rashan little, little trip.
Doug DeMuro
Oh, this is a great. This is a great video.
Nick Kenan
The next key video.
Filippo
It's such a niche audience.
Doug DeMuro
My buddy who finished his run with a mineral, which is the hardest by far, he found the person and offered him 500 bucks. And they were like, are you like a crazy person? Are you a scammer? And he was like, no, I will give you 500 bucks. I will meet you in. In the town. And. And he drove six hours with 500 bucks. And he gave him the 500 bucks and he got his play. But then they didn't have two.
Nick Kenan
Wow.
Doug DeMuro
There you go. That's the story of the empty holes. Do you have anything to add to that?
Filippo
Nothing that will make it more interesting.
Doug DeMuro
Will you send Filippo to Meer to get me? Sean's going to. This is going to work.
Nick Kenan
That would actually be an interesting documentary on license plate collectors.
Doug DeMuro
Don't think it would. I don't think there's much interesting there.
Filippo
The collectors are an in mer. They only go there to buy plates.
Doug DeMuro
I want to be really clear. Just in general, my interest in license plates. I want to be clear is limited to the following thing. Colorado license license plates from 1992 to 1999 and nothing else. And all right. This has gone on far too long.
Nick Kenan
Agreed.
Doug DeMuro
Nick, Absolute pleasure. Thank you for coming.
Nick Kenan
Thanks for having me.
Doug DeMuro
Loved everything about it. Felipe, you want to promo anything while we finish up?
Filippo
Carsandbeds.com the best place Ryan's already standing.
Nick Kenan
He's right.
Filippo
Thank you all for watching. Be on the lookout for a lot more information about Velocity invitational where we'll have 15 incredible cars there. Really cool event at Sonoma raceways with our first ever, like, live. Live auction situation. I'm excited. Okay, goodbye. I'm excited.
Doug DeMuro
You can't reason with the sun.
Filippo
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Doug DeMuro
You're welcome, Columbia.
Filippo
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Episode: New AMG V8! Chevy Saves the Manual, Trouble at Honda, Spyker Returns, and More!
Date: May 8, 2026
In this episode, Doug DeMuro is joined by Filippo and Nick Kenan (with guest Ryan Lopez) to tackle this week’s biggest automotive stories, highlighted by Honda’s EV-related setbacks, the return of AMG’s V8 engines, Chevy’s manual-transmission news, the resurrection of Spyker, evolving car market dynamics, Q&A, and more. The trio’s quick wit and deep industry insight offer car enthusiasts thoughtful commentary mixed with signature humor and memorable off-the-cuff remarks.
| Segment/Event | Timestamp | |-------------------------------------------|-------------| | Show intro/hosts check-in | 01:02 | | Honda EV troubles & model delays | 01:14–09:03 | | Mercedes-AMG V8 returns | 10:01–13:42 | | Chevy Camaro manual transmission news | 14:12–16:01 | | Porsche Macan gas ends, market impact | 18:03–21:53 | | Spyker’s rebirth & The Quail debut | 22:11–25:23 | | Ford’s $30k EV pickup, “skunk works” | 25:35–29:13 | | Cadillac Blackwing F1 edition | 30:32–32:42 | | Rivian R2 and future variants | 33:20–34:21 | | US/EU tariffs and Q9 uncertainty | 36:39–38:18 | | Car rental adventures (Italy, manuals) | 53:54–59:05 | | Market Report (Pace Cars, Corvettes, SLS) | 64:02–76:34 | | Q&A (movie/YouTubers/garage/pace cars) | 80:08–99:01 |
This episode’s trademark blend of sharp, playful automotive expertise and self-deprecating humor (“We like cylinders and we hate the environment” — Nick) is on full display. Doug’s storytelling shines, notably in the Carrera GT/Huntington Beach strip mall anecdote and in debates over the merits of aging Hondas vs upstart rivals. The dialogue is fast-paced, witty, and peppered with genuine passion for cars and car culture.
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