New AMG V8! Chevy Saves the Manual, Trouble at Honda, Spyker Returns, and More!

Summary

THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends!

Episode: New AMG V8! Chevy Saves the Manual, Trouble at Honda, Spyker Returns, and More!
Date: May 8, 2026

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Brief Overview

In this episode, Doug DeMuro is joined by Filippo and Nick Kenan (with guest Ryan Lopez) to tackle this week’s biggest automotive stories, highlighted by Honda’s EV-related setbacks, the return of AMG’s V8 engines, Chevy’s manual-transmission news, the resurrection of Spyker, evolving car market dynamics, Q&A, and more. The trio’s quick wit and deep industry insight offer car enthusiasts thoughtful commentary mixed with signature humor and memorable off-the-cuff remarks.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Honda’s EV Losses Disrupting Core Lineup

• [01:14] Honda's major financial losses developing EVs have delayed the next-gen redesign of key models (Odyssey, Accord, Civic, HR-V, MDX, etc.) out to as late as 2030.
• Doug: “Honda as a company pretty much relies on these core products… and the EV thing was such a massive loss.”
• [02:56] Odyssey in particular only remains competitive due to Sienna supply constraints; Honda’s historic prestige as a 'top choice' brand is at risk.
• Product cycles now stretch 12–13 years—much longer than the historic 4–6 years—leaving Honda at a disadvantage against hybrid and newer entrants from Toyota, Kia, and Hyundai.
• Filippo: “In the luxury mid-size SUV segment [for the MDX], that’s an incredibly long life cycle … interiors that are dated to the early 2000s.”
• Discussion of Honda’s “wait and see” approach and whether it’s a choice vs. necessity (“It’s not a strategy, they don’t have any money to invest.” – Filippo [07:51])
• Concerns about Honda’s reputation as “the reliable choice” not being enough to attract new buyers, especially as even tech is lagging ("The Odyssey's tech is pretty insane… not a single USB-C" – Doug [08:47])

2. Mercedes-AMG Revives the V8

• [10:01] Mercedes-AMG confirms a new V8 engine is in development, ending years of speculation and 4-cylinder substitutions.
• Expected rollout starts with SUVs (GLE, GLS) based on a flat-plane crank V8; no commitment for the powertrain in the C-Class.
• Doug: "Mercedes Benz created that [performance wagon] segment… I’m curious if this powertrain will find its way into in E class." [11:04]
• Emissions regulations increasingly shape which engines/models are available in Europe vs. America:
  • Filippo: “In the US you can get away with it.” [11:54]
  • Nick: “America is one of the best markets for internal combustion engines. Especially big Honda.” [12:29]
• Lighthearted boasting about V8 ownership, and a self-aware jab:
  • Nick: “We like cylinders and we hate the environment.” [13:24]

3. Chevy’s Camaro—The Manual Lives On

• [14:12] Reports indicate the next-generation Camaro will keep a manual transmission, possibly extending to a forthcoming four-door variant and even related Cadillac sedans.
• Filippo: “They will also be building … maybe there’ll be a manual Cadillac sedan too.” [14:47]
• Heated debate on the notion of a four-door Camaro.
  Doug: “If we get a four-door Camaro that's good, wouldn't that be preferable to a two-door Camaro that's horrible?” [15:15]
• Side tangent about quirky locations and license plates, classic THIS CAR POD! “found family” banter.

4. Porsche Ends Gas Macan Production

• [18:03] Porsche confirms gas-powered Macan ends production this summer; there will be a gap of about two years before a new gas model appears—if it ever does.
• Long lifecycle noted: Macan launched in 2015, now facing strong competition and market headwinds for Porsche (lower profitability, EV investment pressures).
• Fun sales fact: Odyssey outsold Macan in the US last year—88k vs 85k, but Macan is 30% of global Porsche sales.
• Debate over why Porsche stopped production—regulatory, platform, or strategic decisions (“Emissions reasons?”).
• Doug: “This whole EV shift has been weird.” [20:19]

5. Spyker Returns

• [22:11] Dutch supercar brand Spyker is being revived by founder Victor Muller, with a new twin-turbo V8 model debuting at The Quail.
• The cult following played a crucial role in the revival; expectation is for an expensive, low-volume, bespoke supercar.
• Doug: “Good things cost money.” [25:07] adding, “A Spiker back in the day was like 300 or less... now just assume you’ll never afford it and never see one.” [25:12]

6. Ford’s Secretive $30k EV Pickup

• [25:35] Ford is developing a ~$30k electric pickup, led by a team with ex-Apple and Tesla staff and operating as a “skunk works,” reportedly so secret even CEO Jim Farley isn’t admitted.
• Sample cars given to journalists are 3D printed miniatures.
• Discussion on how Ford aims to build quickly and flexibly—more like a startup than a traditional automaker, in contrast to slow-moving legacy car companies.
• Doug: “If you want to make this different from how you normally make a product, how about… you get this thing to market in 18 months?” [27:24]
• “Move fast and break things” as a new-for-Ford ethos.

7. Cadillac Blackwing — Formula One Edition

• Limited run of 26 manual-only Formula One Edition Blackwings, all with FIA badges.
• Discusses small production numbers, special editions (Aston/AMG parallels), and laments the lack of more practical enthusiast options.
• Doug: “Truthfully, that car is wonderful and it is finding the right buyers and is selling at sticker, but production is low and sales are slow.” [31:12]

8. Rivian R2 and Future Models

• CEO RJ hints at more variants beyond the R2 SUV (i.e. R2X off-road/performance, other styles possibly forthcoming).
• Doug: “Other R2s… What Nick wants is an R2 pickup.” [34:28]

9. Tariffs and the Audi Q9

• New US tariffs on European vehicles increase from 15% to 25%, potentially delaying or impacting launches like the Audi Q9/Large SUV.
• Automakers’ responses range from disbelief (BMW: “just a bluff”) to concern (Audi: “massively impact our ability to...Release the Q9… impact our profits for 2026.” [37:17])
• Doug: “Tariffs bad. They’ll kill everybody. Let’s see if it happens.” [37:57]

10. Car Rental Adventures in Europe

• Extended discussion on the decline of cool/interesting rental cars in Italy and the complexities of renting (or buying) manuals abroad.
• Doug: “My old A class… had four owners in a year because everybody got into it thinking, this will be cool. And then it turned out to be utter ass.” [56:53]
• Filippo is heading to Italy and bemoans the lack of manual rentals and the perils of buying a car abroad.

11. Pace Car and Used Market Report

• [64:23] Adoration for Indy Pace Car replicas and their quirky market status—“pace cars are cool even if you don’t think they are. And they are cheap.” [65:28]
• Corvette C6 Z06, C8 Z06, AMG SLS, and used Caprice PPVs discussed as market bargains, value holds, and unique “backdoor” enthusiast choices.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Filippo on Honda’s EV investments: “It’s not a strategy. They don’t have any money to invest.” [07:51]
• Doug on car cycles: “When I was a kid, four years was a core generation.” [04:01]
• Nick, tongue-in-cheek, on V8 collecting: “We like cylinders and we hate the environment.” [13:24]
• Doug on the “wait and see” approach: “No cars break down anymore. And Honda is those people who you’re mentioning are generally older.” [08:07]
• Filippo on the Spiker revival: “If they can get enough interest.” [24:41]
• Doug, discussing pace cars: “My guilty pleasure is pace cars. I love the Indy pace car versions of all the cars.” [64:46]
• Nick, on wagon life: “My kids will only sit in the third row now… They love it.” [63:00]
• Doug on rare USDM Mark IV Supra listings: “Mark 4 Supra Turbo Renaissance red stick. Not modified and that car may not exist.” [61:46]

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Timestamps of Key Segments

| Segment/Event | Timestamp | |-------------------------------------------|-------------| | Show intro/hosts check-in | 01:02 | | Honda EV troubles & model delays | 01:14–09:03 | | Mercedes-AMG V8 returns | 10:01–13:42 | | Chevy Camaro manual transmission news | 14:12–16:01 | | Porsche Macan gas ends, market impact | 18:03–21:53 | | Spyker’s rebirth & The Quail debut | 22:11–25:23 | | Ford’s $30k EV pickup, “skunk works” | 25:35–29:13 | | Cadillac Blackwing F1 edition | 30:32–32:42 | | Rivian R2 and future variants | 33:20–34:21 | | US/EU tariffs and Q9 uncertainty | 36:39–38:18 | | Car rental adventures (Italy, manuals) | 53:54–59:05 | | Market Report (Pace Cars, Corvettes, SLS) | 64:02–76:34 | | Q&A (movie/YouTubers/garage/pace cars) | 80:08–99:01 |

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Listener Q&A Highlights

• Concept Cars: Doug teases a review of the Die Another Day Jaguar XK-R movie car ([81:13]).
• Automotive YouTubers: Doug and Nick share admiration for Rich Rebuilds and discuss car YouTuber repair competitions ([86:42]).
• Power Outlets in Cars: Used mainly for laptops and camera gear on the road ([91:47]).
• License Plate Collecting Rabbit Hole: Doug’s lifelong quest for Colorado “denim” plates involves crowd-baiting for elusive county plates, with a standing $1,000 bounty ([94:39]).

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Tone and Language

This episode’s trademark blend of sharp, playful automotive expertise and self-deprecating humor (“We like cylinders and we hate the environment” — Nick) is on full display. Doug’s storytelling shines, notably in the Carrera GT/Huntington Beach strip mall anecdote and in debates over the merits of aging Hondas vs upstart rivals. The dialogue is fast-paced, witty, and peppered with genuine passion for cars and car culture.

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Transcript

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[Doug DeMuro]

Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[Filippo]

I'm Filippo.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm Nick Kenan is gone, but we do have Ryan Lopez over there. Time for the news.

[Filippo]

All right, most important news story.

[Doug DeMuro]

First, the Honda Odyssey. Nothing's happening to it.

[Filippo]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Nick Kenan]

That is the news story beloved by CPAs and people like Filippo.

[Doug DeMuro]

Everywhere, people like Filippo. The news story, responsible adults. The news story is this. Honda apparently spent so much money on their EVs. Well, lost so much money on their EVs. Like the prologue to which there was, it was a prologue to. There never became a story that they had to do. They are delaying the redesigns of a lot of their new core products for multiple years, including the Odyssey, which supposedly might be delayed now till 2030.

[Filippo]

That car came out in 2017.

[Doug DeMuro]

The current Odyssey came out in 2017. I reviewed it in Rancho Santa Margherita. It was one of my favorite videos. And did you review the vacuum? The whole thing? It was a big deal. And it's not just the Odyssey. It's maybe the new Accord. It's maybe the new Civic.

[Filippo]

Correct. The HR V, the MDX, the next generation MDX.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is a big deal.

[Filippo]

31.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is a big deal because Honda as a company pretty much relies on these core products to exist. They only basically have six core products as a, as a car. And then they have Acura, which has maybe one core product or two. And so the EV thing was such a massive loss for them that the Odyssey, these, these cars, these big competitive cars that Honda relies on to bring them money and sales and profitability are going to just get older and older and older. The Odyssey is highlighted because its chief rival was the Toyota Sienna was redesigned a couple years ago and went hybrid and went all wheel drive, neither of which the Odyssey offers.

[Filippo]

And the Carnival also hybrid. I can't remember if it has a hybrid version is a new product.

[Doug DeMuro]

Everyone I know who has an Odyssey only did so because Siennas weren't available, which is still true. There's so much demand for the Sienna that they're knocking down Toyota dealer doors. And this is sort of like a second choice. And it's unusual because my entire life, Honda has never been a second choice. It has been a brand that, like you, you actively seek out and buy. Nissan is your. If you can't qualify for a Honda or if you can't afford one, you go buy a Nissan. Well, as these cars get older and older, the current Accord has also already been out for a few years. The Civic has already been out for a few years. You run product life cycle on a minivan. We'll see. Right? We'll see what happens to Honda's profitability and numbers as these cars start to get older and older. And presumably sales continue to decline.

[Filippo]

By the way, they're not the only ones. Right? Like, we'll talk about the Macan in a minute. That's been one product left Cycle forever. Because they planned on having an EV replacement that is just not going to really come right to fruition. The Macan EV exists. The Odyssey 2017-2030. The Accord came out in 2023, will be at least 2030 before there's a redesign.

[Doug DeMuro]

So we're four miles long.

[Filippo]

Life cycles.

[Doug DeMuro]

When I was a kid, four years was a core generation.

[Filippo]

That's right.

[Doug DeMuro]

Civic was what Civic was. Even. Even it was 21.

[Filippo]

A couple of Civic was 23 also.

[Doug DeMuro]

But regardless, if we're taking these things to 2030, these cars, this is heavy competition in these segments.

[Nick Kenan]

Is it though? There's four minivans available. To your point, they can do nothing and still be a solid second place,

[Doug DeMuro]

which is why this is going to work and why it has worked already up until this point. However, compact sedan is already not particularly profitable segment with Civic, if you can't create an innovative vehicle, you're going to have trouble. Same with Accord. You said it affects hrv, which is one of the really big segments right now. CR V was just redesigned, so they

[Filippo]

have some space time, thankfully.

[Doug DeMuro]

But you have to assume that if it pushes out all the other ones, you're not going to necessarily see some real development on CRV and Pilot that may also push out those. And you're basically talking about an entire generation of cars that Honda will skip like one life cycle that Honda's going to.

[Filippo]

They can't be competitive to do that also especially because most of their products, the Accord and Civic aside, are not hybrid. Hybrid products like the MDX which came out in 22 will not be redesigned until 2031.

[Doug DeMuro]

Crazy.

[Filippo]

So that's an incredibly long life cycle in an ultra competitive luxury mid size SUV segment without real powertrain development, without real feature development, with interiors that are dated to the early 2000s when everybody's on the screens. By the way, Acura, which will not have the RDX anymore, will have a 10 year old, 8 year old, 9 year old MDX as their other core product.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right.

[Filippo]

That's not a great situation to be

[Nick Kenan]

at the SUVs would worry me. I think even the sedans, like that's also a dying segment. Like I, I would coast on those and just win based on name and then put everything in suv.

[Doug DeMuro]

And the.

[Filippo]

The CRV is a new competitive product. They have some time. But they should be 2025 the.

[Doug DeMuro]

But still, you remember there was a hybrid MDX for like an afternoon. Of course there was Briefly a hybrid MDX.

[Filippo]

There was briefly a hybrid MDX2 Captain's Ro. Really fun fact.

[Doug DeMuro]

Briefly. But then it went away. But in Honda's defense, it was prior gen. Yeah, in Honda's defense, and I do want to defend them, it was hard to see this coming because the Lexus RX400 Hybrid came out in 2006 and who the hell knew? Who the hell Knew? It's been 20 years but we had to wait and see.

[Filippo]

It just makes me worried, especially in the light of Kia, Hyundai obviously on an immense product offensive, trying to get as many really competitive products out as they can. Toyota is in the middle of a huge hybridization push where pretty much every Toyota that comes out is hybrid only.

[Doug DeMuro]

Totally.

[Filippo]

And it's selling well.

[Doug DeMuro]

You had to assume that what the plan was was that they were going to let Odyssey go until an EV could replace it.

[Filippo]

They're canceling entirely by the way, this year. Really decided thankfully not to. Thankfully.

[Doug DeMuro]

But that was probably their plan because they didn't develop hybrid versions of these cars. Even though other automakers were even including Mazda, who for years is like we're not going to do hybrids. We're just going to get better fuel economy out of gas engines. Well eventually everybody caved. Honda still hasn't. And when do you ever see Honda behind?

[Filippo]

Well, it used to be kind of

[Doug DeMuro]

always in a lot, in a lot of segments like off road SUVs but it's rare to see them behind with their core. Those seven cars are so important to Honda. They're so important that they've always done a great job of making sure they are the best products in their segment. And when they came out, I truly think the new Civic and the new Accord were the best products in the segment. This was the best product in its segment when it came out.

[Filippo]

2017.

[Doug DeMuro]

Pilot's very competitive. CRV is very competitive.

[Filippo]

Just worry about what is coming. So they've obviously stopped the drive towards EV.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Have they? Will the 2030 product offensive? Have hybrids plug in hybrids? Things that the market is probably 2030

[Doug DeMuro]

is four years from now. I know next man Trump isn't even be president anymore.

[Nick Kenan]

My man. I think actually the wait and see strategy is not the craziest with all of the turmoil in the market between tariffs EVs but it's not by choice.

[Filippo]

It's not a strategy. They don't have any money to invest

[Doug DeMuro]

in products maybe and other brands have newer products that are.

[Nick Kenan]

Honda gets all its buyers for the people that go to the newsstands and buy Consumer Reports and say hey this is super reliable. That's all they care about. They don't need the bells and whistles.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Nick Kenan]

They just want to know is it going to break down.

[Doug DeMuro]

The problem is though, no cars break down anymore. And Honda is those people who you're mentioning are generally older. And I think Honda is going to get into a situation where they are not attracting as many new people as they are getting old people who are not holding onto cars forever or not buying cars as much. And I think that if they don't sit here with something appealing, a sports car, a brand new whatever, you're going to just sort of have attrition. What would stop someone from going and buying a brand new Hyundai with a giant screen? Some of the tech in these cars is like the Odyssey. Tech is like pretty insane. A buddy of mine has a brand new Odyssey. He says there's not a single USB C. It's all USB A which is

[Filippo]

fine except for the fact that USB C ports became the norm in every new car three years ago. Obviously we still have every cord for every version.

[Doug DeMuro]

Whatever. That's, that's just an example. You should play with all the tech in new Hondas. It's, it's behind it's old. It's not what it some point you

[Filippo]

worry about is their driver safety stuff as good. Is their safety in general as good. If they have a 13 year old product for.

[Doug DeMuro]

For a family.

[Filippo]

And by the way, I want to reiterate the point. Acura, which doesn't. Won't have the RDX, will have a 9 year old MDX by that. But Filippo will have an Integra whose life cycle has been expanded by three years and still doesn't sell well as is new. Your. Your Acura's.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're forgetting maybe intentionally. Oh yeah.

[Filippo]

Which car am I forgetting? I am forgetting a car.

[Doug DeMuro]

The ADX is going to save Acura. The audience is watching. They're thinking what the hell is the 80x?

[Filippo]

I was next to an ADX yesterday.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's more than I've seen. All right, next news story on the same topic. Mercedes Benz is doing V8s.

[Nick Kenan]

Doug, I don't know if you know much, but AMG, big V8 company.

[Doug DeMuro]

Big V8 company.

[Nick Kenan]

I got one actually. You should try it out.

[Doug DeMuro]

They do V8s, although currently what they do is turbo four cylinders in the C63.

[Nick Kenan]

You loved it, right?

[Filippo]

Probably.

[Doug DeMuro]

Man, I saw one of those on the road. I was. What would, what would have to happen

[Nick Kenan]

for you to grab one of those insanely steel.

[Doug DeMuro]

What, what, what number?

[Nick Kenan]

199amonth.

[Doug DeMuro]

Really? If it was 199 you'd pick one up cuz Charger.

[Nick Kenan]

These were cuz then it's just a hybrid, you know, commuter car at that point. That's slightly fun. Maybe 299 loud.

[Filippo]

A little 299. It would be a deal. I'll accept that. You'd get1@299 I personally, there was nothing that could buy or lease a new high performance sedan.

[Doug DeMuro]

What do you mean? Not a black wing, nothing. Ooh.

[Filippo]

Find a good high performance sedan.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

With a V8, tell me to buy a mediocre one.

[Nick Kenan]

If we're going to get a performance sedan, you want a performance engine in it. I don't know. Part of the definition AMG is saying

[Doug DeMuro]

they're doing a new V8 this year. There's a lot of reasons why this is a big news story. The fact that they're doing a new V8. Apparently it's derived from an existing Mercedes Benz powertrain. The thing that's the most interesting about it to me is that now it's been years since there's been an E63 and we have the M5 and we have the RS6 which pretty much compete. I don't want to say uncontested by Mercedes Benz because there's an E53, but

[Filippo]

ultimately uncontested by Mercedes Benz, it's uncontested

[Doug DeMuro]

at that performance level which is crazy because Mercedes Benz kind of especially in the States. Mercedes Benz created that segment with high performance wagons. And I'm curious if this powertrain will find its way into an E class.

[Filippo]

They've said that they're going to put these first in their SUV products. So the GLS GLE maybe it's based on the M177EVO and the new S class and it's going to be a flat plane crank V8 apparently. So yeah. Gle GLS as the starting point and then some of the other cars, probably

[Doug DeMuro]

the current AMG Twin Turbo V8 is a fantastic powertrain. Great to see that they are doing it. They have not committed under any circumstances to doing this powertrain in a C class, which I think is what that's

[Filippo]

going to be their six cylinder offering.

[Doug DeMuro]

So they're saying they're going to do a C53 with a six cylinder but that does leave room for a C63

[Filippo]

especially in the US right. So I think some of their decision making and why the 53 models will exist in some markets that will be the top product for missions reasons. Wouldn't you gotta imagine the US you can get away with it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wouldn't it be ironic after all this time if Mercedes Benz Porsche, who's kind of already implied this, starts making products for the US market that aren't sold in Europe starts making like performance products for the US did it with the E60. Yeah, but that was like kind of a rare one off. Weird thing. Imagine if there are actual powertrains.

[Nick Kenan]

I mean America's got the economy, it's got the buyers.

[Doug DeMuro]

Totally.

[Nick Kenan]

And EVs are going to kill it in APAC. Right. Like Zee Curves of the world and BYDs are taking over. So then America is one of the best markets for internal combustion engines. Especially big Honda.

[Doug DeMuro]

We have the cheapest gas, the only market because it used to be that there were parts of Europe where you could sell these cars and still make money. There were people in Switzerland, there were people in Germany. But now the government in Europe is kind of making sure that these vehicles no longer.

[Filippo]

I mean this is Euro 7 regulation.

[Nick Kenan]

Chrysler's strategy or Dodge's strategy. Right. Like Bring back the V8s.

[Doug DeMuro]

Bring back the V8s.

[Filippo]

I don't.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'll do it.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I got you.

[Doug DeMuro]

We're V8 guys. How many V8s you got right now, Nick?

[Nick Kenan]

Let's see the Range Rover. The Range Rover, the E55, the SLR the Cayenne.

[Filippo]

You got five.

[Nick Kenan]

Five out of six are V8. Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

I've only got two.

[Filippo]

I only got one.

[Doug DeMuro]

But I do have a V10 and a V12.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And we like our big. We like cylinders here on this podcast, folks.

[Nick Kenan]

We like cylinders and we hate the environment.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, there we go.

[Nick Kenan]

I got 14 miles per gallon on the way here.

[Filippo]

Not aligning myself with this.

[Nick Kenan]

Probably the second best of my fleet.

[Doug DeMuro]

The other day I went to fill up. How do you survive? The other day I went to fill up the gas pump and it was 7:20 a gallon. $7 USD.

[Filippo]

I have not seen that high.

[Doug DeMuro]

720.

[Nick Kenan]

Are we at the turning point where you're gonna start shopping for gas and like go to the Costco and wait in line?

[Doug DeMuro]

No. But I will tell you this. I did do one thing which I think that our users should do as well. I saw the 720 and I said nope. And I pulled out my company credit card and I used that instead because I was coming home from work and I figured, you know what, if the company wanted me to go to work today, I had to get home, for God's sake.

[Filippo]

Luckily, we get two points back. Thanks. That's something.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right, give us our next news story.

[Nick Kenan]

Boom.

[Doug DeMuro]

Manual transmissions, dude.

[Filippo]

All right, we talked a few weeks, I think you were gone about. There will be a next generation Camaro. Hard to believe it has been rumored by the folks at Gemin Cider that based on their sources, it will have a manual transmission.

[Doug DeMuro]

Manual on a new Camaro?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick Kenan]

Again, American market needs or Jim authority.

[Filippo]

I apologize. Jim Authority.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's pretty legit. If it's real,

[Filippo]

I trust their sourcing. They are indeed the authority.

[Doug DeMuro]

How cool.

[Nick Kenan]

And then the question for both this and AMG is. All right, so if you've already developed the powertrain, what else can you stick it in?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, yeah.

[Filippo]

The chassis for the Camaro. They will also be building it alongside a Cadillac sedan and some other product. And so maybe there'll be a manual Cadillac sedan too. By the way, the new Camaro four door.

[Doug DeMuro]

Are we sure about that?

[Filippo]

We're pretty confident.

[Nick Kenan]

Hmm. Not a Camaro. Well, it's like a Mach E, you know.

[Doug DeMuro]

Don't forget though, the Camaro's got a long history. There was a period of time where there were Camaros that were horrible and so.

[Nick Kenan]

But were they ever four doors?

[Doug DeMuro]

No, but they were horrible. And so what I would say to you is. What I would say to you is if we get a four door Camaro that's good. Wouldn't that be preferable to a two door Camaro? That's horrible. Like we had at some points. And I'm not specifically calling out the third gen. I'm not calling out the third gen, but there are people who might is what I'm saying. There are people who might.

[Nick Kenan]

I just don't know if a four door Camaro makes any sense.

[Doug DeMuro]

You don't like the Chevy ss? You don't like the Chevy ss. You're not a Chevy ss, man.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah, I did see one the other day actually, and they recognized the wagon and we had a nice little chat. Outside of Carl Strauss?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, outside of Carl Strauss. You're talking to the Chevy SS guy. Did politics come up? Nick. Oh my God.

[Filippo]

Why do we think he's with Nick?

[Doug DeMuro]

We have on Kenan. I'm just saying please come back, Kenan, for God's sake.

[Nick Kenan]

I'm just saying please.

[Doug DeMuro]

Ken was it. I looked at. We have all each other's locations and I looked at Ken's location today. He's in Florence, Alabama.

[Filippo]

He's filming.

[Doug DeMuro]

The hell is Kennan doing in Alabama? Filming 2v10 Lambos doesn't belong in Alabama. He's not Correct. It's not.

[Filippo]

Neither do Lambos. And so it makes sense.

[Doug DeMuro]

What the hell are those cars doing in Alabama?

[Filippo]

I don't know, but one of them is going to be the Velocity Invitational.

[Doug DeMuro]

Ryan Lopez is from Alabama.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Although I think he isn't because when I asked him about his license plate code for his county, he didn't know it.

[Filippo]

Oh, you know who else is from Alabama?

[Doug DeMuro]

47, by the way? What's that?

[Filippo]

Tim Cook.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, I know. Ryan Lopez and Tim Cook are the only two non pro athletes politicians ever to rise out of Alabama and make something of themselves. Ryan Lopez, you're doing great.

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[Doug DeMuro]

All right, give us our next news story, please. Ah, yes. This is a Porsche Macan and Porsche announced on an earnings call this week that the gas Porsche Macan production ends this summer.

[Filippo]

How tragic.

[Doug DeMuro]

And that they will not be replacing it with another gas Macan in for two years.

[Nick Kenan]

Heard this one before.

[Filippo]

Yeah, we talked about it before, but it's wild.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, but I mean, they're confirmed the timeline. July will be the eop, as the Germans, I guarantee, were saying. Sop.

[Filippo]

How much do you think inventory is?

[Doug DeMuro]

Probably some. Because it's not that. I mean, it's an old car.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah, it's been out forever. Yeah, my neighbors had one like before COVID it's worth.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, yeah. And even before that, it was on sale. I think it came out in 15.

[Filippo]

Right, that 2015. Talk about a long life cycle.

[Nick Kenan]

What are sorority girls gonna buy once they graduate?

[Filippo]

Q5s, as they always did.

[Doug DeMuro]

What sororities were you at that girls had? Macans.

[Nick Kenan]

You know, the North Shore of Chicago

[Doug DeMuro]

was a little different. There was a sorority girl when I was in college who had a Freelander SE3. Oh, that car.

[Nick Kenan]

That's so cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

The yellow convertible one. And I remember that was the star of the sorority.

[Filippo]

That was a great house pork cart. Yeah.

[Nick Kenan]

My wife watches the podcast, so I gotta be careful, but that sounds like marriage material.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wonder what he would have said if his wife didn't watch the podcast.

[Filippo]

Porsche. Tough position to be in.

[Doug DeMuro]

So having the Gas Macan and then two years away from the new one going on sale obviously means they will not have a Gas Macan for a while. Eventually they will sell out, of course, at the gas ones. This is another Honda story. I mean, it's another example of the EV strategy has kind of changed things around and this is the situation that they're stuck with. I'm actually surprised that they're stopping production. When I reviewed Makhani V and chatted with the Porsche people at the time, they told me point blank that they had the ability to kind of extend this car's production life. They didn't do that. I'm sure they have good reasons, but I wonder.

[Filippo]

Your first guess would be for emissions reasons. They can't use existing powertrains. But the base engine in this is the same engine that Volkswagen uses in everything that's in my gti, basically, that is still compliant. They're going to keep making that.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't know. But it is interesting. Porsche is in this kind of unusual situation where they're not making all that much money. Profitability is down. They had to sell off that Bugatti brand.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah. Tough day.

[Doug DeMuro]

This car is going away. They're obviously going to have to put an enormous amount of money into redeveloping vehicles that they probably didn't think they would have to put money into redevelopment. It's a kind of a tough transition period. I mean, again, the Honda story. Honda posts their first quarterly loss in decades. That's where Porsche is as well. This whole EV shift has been weird.

[Filippo]

Can I give you a fun fact?

[Doug DeMuro]

All right.

[Filippo]

So we see a lot of Macans.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah, it better be. Really?

[Doug DeMuro]

Every day.

[Filippo]

They sold 85,000 Macans last year by far, globally. You know how many Odysseys sold last year? 88,000. Just in the U.S. i mean, it's the only market we sold. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

So the Odyssey, much better seller than the Macan. Turns out. I would have thought more than 88,000. They're everywhere.

[Doug DeMuro]

When I worked for Porsche, this is a real statistic. When I worked for Porsche, Porsche Cars North America, I worked for there in 2012. I left in 13. We would get. There were years where we would get outsold as a company nationally by the largest Toyota dealership in the United States.

[Filippo]

But I will say Macan is 30% of their sales last year.

[Nick Kenan]

Wow.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, it's the best car. Is a big deal. Is tough. This is a big deal. I am curious and we don't get these numbers and we probably should do a little bit more research. He should before he comes. But I am curious how Macan EV sells globally. And they probably would never say, but is it the success they were hoping for? Is this mainly a US story that the Macan is going away and Porsche is retooling everything? Or is Macan EV actually been the competitive product they were hoping that it would be?

[Filippo]

Globally, 22% of Porsche sales were fully electric in 2025, which would have been Taycan and Macan.

[Doug DeMuro]

Pretty significant number. However, we also hear that sales in China are way down, etc. Electric cars must not be doing quite what they were hoping for. Nonetheless, this is another interesting one. On to our next news story. Ah, yes, it's Spiker. Here's a photo. I have no idea what this is a photo of.

[Nick Kenan]

So the gentleman that bought the intellectual property to it a year or two ago. I did do some reading, Spiker.

[Doug DeMuro]

For those who don't know, this was a supercar company that was. They were Dutch, right?

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah, Dutch. And they build some very beautiful cars. I saw Ed Bolians in person just a week ago and just like it's still the details, the finishing touches, it is like true coach building level supercar. It was a kind of a fancy Audi R8 underneath.

[Filippo]

Since you only did some of the reading, I should point out the person that rebought Rebought the intellectual property of Spyker is also the person that found the Spyker originally. So it's not just like a random

[Nick Kenan]

dude that bought the ip, Victor Muller, and then also the Spyker enthusiast guy on Instagram who's been literally flying all over the globe, servicing and keeping the existing Spikers running and serviced, which is pretty cool. Basically they saw, hey, there's such a cult following for these cars still, we ought to bring it back. And I think the coolest part, because I did read the article, is that they're going to be debuting the new model at the Quail this year, a venue in which I have been deemed not cool enough or valid enough to even buy a ticket at. So they are killing it.

[Doug DeMuro]

They are getting into.

[Nick Kenan]

They're getting into things that even Doug Demiro's inner circle can't get into and debuting their new car. So I'm very happy for them and not at all bitter about it.

[Filippo]

Understanding is that it'll be a twin turbo V8.

[Doug DeMuro]

I thought you did get. You did get passes.

[Nick Kenan]

I meant to tell you this, but I hit them up for press pass saying that I'm a good friend of yours. So I name dropped a little bit and they said they'll get back to me in a month.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm going to tell you, just so you know, three or four years ago I tried to get press passes and they said no, me, myself. Not even a good friend of mine myself. Well, there's that, but I thought in the end they offered you the ability to buy.

[Nick Kenan]

I did eventually get pulled on the wait list, but that's 1600 bucks. Yeah, you guys aren't paying me enough

[Doug DeMuro]

for this, but 1600 bucks, you get to see the New spike run.

[Nick Kenan]

It does.

[Doug DeMuro]

And you're an enthusiast.

[Nick Kenan]

That brings up the value of the event from about $350 to about 400.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know. You know, I show you the press passes now. Yeah. The event's worth a quarter of what they charge. Let me go and report on it. I think this is cool. I think the spikers were cool. I think they're still undervalued. I am sad at what is obviously going to happen, which is that this new Spiker is going to be more expensive than I wish it was.

[Nick Kenan]

Oh, I'm sure. 800 horsepower, V8 supercar, hand built, bespoke. It's going to be gorgeous. But it's going to be money if

[Filippo]

they can get enough interest.

[Doug DeMuro]

Did they get confirmed?

[Nick Kenan]

I thought you were telling me because I didn't actually read.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, I'm curious.

[Filippo]

They haven't confirmed. So it also depends on if they get enough interest sense.

[Nick Kenan]

The, the, the exposed linkage was sort of the trademark feature of the seat. So it kind of has to.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think, I think a manual. I think it'd be cool. It's going to be a million bucks.

[Nick Kenan]

It's going to be way to difference.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's like that D. Tomaso P72 that I fell in love with.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I want one. And then we found out that it's like 4 million.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like that's what all these cars are.

[Filippo]

Good things cost money.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. But that didn't used to be true. A Spiker back in the day was like 300 or less.

[Filippo]

And they're so cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

And they're so cool. And they still are like 300. But I guess my point is like everything's a million bucks anytime a bespoke special, like just assume you'll never afford it and you'll never see one.

[Nick Kenan]

We'll see them.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. At very special events on lawns.

[Nick Kenan]

Dude, there's like goompert Apollos everywhere now.

[Doug DeMuro]

Goomperts are everywhere. Never before. All right, Ford. So Ford Matchbox car.

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Nick Kenan]

That is what the very high res mock up here.

[Filippo]

No, no, that is what they gave journalists. So Ford is building a new ev. This hired children to design it.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're targeting a thing of play with it. It's four children.

[Filippo]

That is around $30,000. So they're targeting a pretty low price electric pickup truck.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yep.

[Filippo]

There's a bunch of stories out from a bunch of different outlets over the last week because they have let people behind the scenes a little bit to look at their facilities where they're doing this. We're designing it. They also gave out this literal sample that's like small. It's like 3D printed school.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't get this. No Ford, you don't invite me to this.

[Filippo]

This. Let's be honest, they may have.

[Doug DeMuro]

What are you.

[Nick Kenan]

It got lost with a bunch of Mark 4 Supras that Sean cars and bits dot com. Email him.

[Filippo]

This was in Long beach, which is

[Doug DeMuro]

just a little too far. I got, I didn't go to this. It was in Long.

[Filippo]

The reason I'm mentioning this is they. Ford has made a big deal in, in the stories that, that came out about it. About the fact that this is a true skunk works project. So basically they hired some people from, from Apple and from Tesla and from other automakers to lead up this project and they have said basically the CEO is not really involved. He's not allowed in the building. His key card, Jim Farley's key card doesn't allow him access to the building.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're doing any of this.

[Nick Kenan]

Remember, remember curb your enthusiasm. When he was going to pitch a script to someone that worked at Disney, you know, you're like, oh yeah, the person worked at Apple. Yeah, the Apple Store, right? Like

[Doug DeMuro]

Jim Farley's not allowed, but he

[Nick Kenan]

doesn't want to go.

[Doug DeMuro]

But they showed it off to journalists in Long Beach.

[Filippo]

Well that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Hey, can I come to Long. Nope, you're not allowed in Long beach either.

[Nick Kenan]

Jim Farley. Farley's like Detroit's better than that.

[Filippo]

Their point has been that they're keeping this very separate and very different from how Ford otherwise built product. They're trying to be a very upstart manufacturer.

[Doug DeMuro]

Ford, I'm going to tell you something because I know you're watching. If you want to make this different from how you normally make a product, how about we don't have an eight year development cycle. How about you get this thing to market in 18 months? Months. That's how you do it.

[Filippo]

That's what Tesla, they are starting production, pre production now, like factory production now.

[Nick Kenan]

I have some feedback too.

[Doug DeMuro]

I haven't seen one.

[Filippo]

We weren't invited.

[Nick Kenan]

It needs to be at least three times bigger than this.

[Filippo]

This is a 132 scale. It's interesting how hard, how much they're leaning into. This was built in a different way, right? Like we like really let engineers loose, but not our normal engineers. They couldn't be trusted. We had to bring in people from the outside to bring fresh perspective to like build new ideas to make it an affordable, compelling evolution.

[Doug DeMuro]

I do think that One of the biggest problems that the legacy automakers have with competing against the other the upstart brands is development cycles and current the way that they. I think the problem that legacy automakers still have is they think the car has to be ready for launch when it launches. I honestly think that is one of their biggest mistakes. Teslas have never been ready for launch. When they launch, they're riddled with all these things that get corrected later. And same with Fisker's and let's just launch the thing.

[Filippo]

I think that's kind of what they're pushing towards.

[Doug DeMuro]

Their goal really was get it up

[Filippo]

quickly, rethink some assembly line processes. There were a bunch of interviews in these pieces with the folks that are at the actual production line complaining about like, all right, well they keep changing these parts, they keep changing these things. At some point we need to lock it in. But I think that's kind of the point, right? You can kind of keep iterating and keep making it a little better and keep.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah, they got someone from the Apple Store, dude. Move fast and break things.

[Doug DeMuro]

Move fast and break things.

[Nick Kenan]

That's not the app, it's actually the Facebook.

[Filippo]

It doesn't matter.

[Doug DeMuro]

Is it Facebook?

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah. Mark Zuckerberg.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh yeah. Like in the early days.

[Filippo]

Regardless, it is exciting. This should be out in 2027. By the way, the pickup truck. I will say all the interviews make a big deal about Jim Farley not

[Nick Kenan]

being allowed at the facilities.

[Filippo]

They originally pitched him an SUV and he said no, it needs to be a mid sized pickup truck.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's weird.

[Nick Kenan]

It's.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick Kenan]

He wants to fight against Bezos for those slate customers. Those six people interested?

[Doug DeMuro]

Hello. Speaking of Zuckerberg, you know what he drives?

[Nick Kenan]

He used to drive a TSX or ts.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh no. Go to the next news story.

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[Doug DeMuro]

He drives a Black Wing. Does he really?

[Filippo]

Yeah, but he also had that cayenne stretch.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. If that was for his wife. Yeah. Zuckerberg himself. That might be Zuckerberg.

[Filippo]

It could be now. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

He drives a Black Wing. Cadillac's coming out with a. He wants to. He's anxious. Cause we skipped the news story. Filippo's sitting there like, oh, God, no. Oh, God, Oh, God. They're coming out with a Formula one edition of the Black Wing. They've come up with several special editions of the Blackwing. And there's now a Formula one edition. And Nick, in the center console, there's an FIA badge.

[Nick Kenan]

It'd be a good safety car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Nick Kenan]

But, yeah, only 25 is what I read, which is crazy low.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, they're manual only. And honestly, 25 is like two months of sales.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Truthfully, the car is wonderful and it is finding the right buyers and is selling at sticker, but production is low and sales are slow.

[Nick Kenan]

You see a lot of the F1 edition Aston Martin's around, though. Like, Aston really cashed in on that. And I think limiting it to 25, like Cadillac ought to be making.

[Filippo]

Only because I care about accuracy. They're making 26.

[Nick Kenan]

Okay, thank you.

[Filippo]

As a nod to when they joined

[Nick Kenan]

Formula one, I'm sure two of them are going to Sergio Perez and Bottas over there.

[Filippo]

Those might be who that is.

[Nick Kenan]

That's who they are. Valerie or Valtteri.

[Filippo]

There'll be some F1 logos.

[Nick Kenan]

Great.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, it's mostly a Corbin. F1 logos. There have been actually already several Blackwing special editions. And as a person who always kind of thinks about dipping my toe into the Blackwing pool, I'm not. Not into it. I do wish it was a station wagon. And I know that's stupid car enthusiast bs, but I do own a station wagon, which I bought essentially new. And I would. I would think about it. I would have a conversation. Wouldn't you? You don't think my wife would drive around a Black Wing?

[Nick Kenan]

Sure.

[Doug DeMuro]

What if there was a third row? I'll tell you that There wouldn't be options. Here's your black wing.

[Filippo]

There will not be a third row under any circumstance.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know the third row is over. Did you know that by the way? My E wagon is the last to have a third row.

[Nick Kenan]

No, I did not know.

[Doug DeMuro]

They don't offer it anymore.

[Nick Kenan]

Have any cars ever?

[Doug DeMuro]

It's done. There's no more rear facing third row cars. No, it's not a safety thing. I think it's safer. If you look at data, there's a reason little kids are rear facing as long as possible. I think it's actually legitimately safer to have to be sitting rear facing.

[Nick Kenan]

That's good.

[Doug DeMuro]

Including in the third row for a lot of reasons but one is that your legs are getting hit instead of your head. But regardless, there are actual crash forces are better if you get hit when you're rear facing.

[Nick Kenan]

I suppose it's good if you are getting rear ended like you see it coming too. Yeah, that's good.

[Filippo]

It's good for your psych.

[Nick Kenan]

You put your hands out. Stop it.

[Doug DeMuro]

But yeah, there's no more. That's it. E Wagon23.

[Nick Kenan]

My kids will only sit in the third row now that I have one. They love it. It's so cool.

[Filippo]

I want to go back to this because it's an important story.

[Doug DeMuro]

We all have 3 row Mercedes station wagon.

[Nick Kenan]

I know, I know. This Mercedes podcast. I am disappointed we covered a Porsche story for no reason. I mean the macan going away.

[Filippo]

I agree.

[Doug DeMuro]

We're certainly not Porsche people.

[Filippo]

I have two quick stories.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay.

[Filippo]

Because I refuse to not talk about the news.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. Okay.

[Filippo]

Rivian CEO RJ said in an interview that there will be other variants of the R2. So the R2 we know is SUV that's going to come out. He basically hinted at there will be an R2X. Clearly there could be an R2X and well as other variants that they have not yet announced.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't understand what. It's an R2X like the performance version but the R3X is like a off roady hatchback.

[Filippo]

The R3 is like a little hatchback and the R3X like the performance off road.

[Doug DeMuro]

I haven't seen an R3 that wasn't an R3X. Is there such a thing? Really?

[Filippo]

I don't think they ever showed it because our 3X looks cooler and we're three years away.

[Doug DeMuro]

But yeah, well, you get my point. Oh, I see. There's like renderings regular version.

[Filippo]

The. The X will be the performance version which I do think will be like an off roader performance version. That would be that maybe.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't know why it's a two door like a Defender.

[Filippo]

I mean, you know, it's also in.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's also in the thunderstorm.

[Filippo]

Yeah, producer. But there will also maybe be other models, which is kind of interesting. We wondered. Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

Other R2s.

[Filippo]

Because the R1T and R1s exist. This is just R2.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can I tell you what Nick wants?

[Filippo]

A three row R2 rear facing.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, he wants an R2. That's a pickup truck like the Hummer H2SUT. Because Nick.

[Filippo]

I also want that Nick when he's

[Doug DeMuro]

driving to Trump rallies, he takes his H2SUT. We can't fly the flag and. Yeah, and this coming from the guy

[Nick Kenan]

that goes summers in Nantucket is calling someone else.

[Filippo]

You think it's in the Sequoia direction like the Sequoia is?

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah, I want a Lobo edition. Like give me like a lowered. Maybe. Maybe they will laying frame. I want suicide doors. I want big wheels.

[Filippo]

Doesn't matter.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's unlikely. I would, I would. You're talking about. You want like a literal like low rider kind of. You want it to be on.

[Nick Kenan]

It doesn't have to lay frame. I would go with just like tucking tire. Rj, if you're listening, I think that that's crazy. Nick edition.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think that that's unlikely.

[Filippo]

But it's not impossible.

[Doug DeMuro]

There will be a performance version is what's likely lightning.

[Nick Kenan]

Maybe that's what.

[Doug DeMuro]

This isn't made by real. There will be an off road version. There will be a performance version and then the three will come and it's even smaller and it's like the Gulf country.

[Filippo]

Yes, it is like the Gulf country. 100%.

[Doug DeMuro]

And then. And that'll be that or the Delta

[Filippo]

Integrale is what I think one of

[Doug DeMuro]

my greatest moments in life was actually on Nantucket. Last summer. A man had a Gulf country.

[Nick Kenan]

We had a rally.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do you know this story?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And he was there at the little market in my town and he's parked over his Gulf country. And I walked up to him and I never walk up to people with cars because then they'd be like, oh my God, it's Doug Demir. We get into a whole thing and I walk up to him and I say, cool car. And he didn't recognize me at all. He didn't know who I was.

[Filippo]

What a dream.

[Doug DeMuro]

And so I was able to have a real conversation with a person about a car without getting into the whole, oh my God, what A dream, you know. And it was incredible. And he told me all about the golf country and I knew a lot of the stuff but I was cherishing

[Nick Kenan]

the moment, you know, that novelty wears off. As someone that frequently has conversations with people who don't know who I am

[Doug DeMuro]

about cars, one or two are great

[Nick Kenan]

but after that they're just strangers talking to you. Yeah, prefer to keep to myself. I see some coming up. I put the AirPods in, you know.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh hey Joe.

[Nick Kenan]

No, I'm sorry. That expense report. Yeah.

[Filippo]

You know, you're too friendly for that. The real shame. Last stripe.

[Doug DeMuro]

There are bigger tariffs. All right, time to move on to the segment.

[Filippo]

Wait. Okay. Last week the president announced that he was increasing tariffs on vehicles from Europe from 15% to 25% because the EU in his mind did not sufficiently move quickly enough to actually finish the deal on tariffs. It's been interesting to see the reaction. BMW CEO in their earnings call said basically I don't think this is real. I'm not going to adjust my forecasts. I think this is just like a bluff. Audi's leadership team has instead said oh no, this is going to really massively impact our ability to Release release the Q9 the large SUV which is going to like really impact our profits for 2026. And our forecast for 2026 if it happens will be interesting.

[Nick Kenan]

I really want to take this strategy and apply it to other facets of my life. I think this deal is taking too long to negotiate. Raising my price on you.

[Doug DeMuro]

I bet you really want it might work. You know the Audi Q9 I've been hearing there's going to be three row Audi and Porsche SUV's my entire life

[Filippo]

the Q7 exists but yeah it's like

[Doug DeMuro]

the give a large one. It's like the mid. It's like the mid engine Corvette. Like my whole life there had been

[Filippo]

rumors and then one day it happened.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. The Bronco Bronco is forever. Forever.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Tariffs bad. The we'll kill everybody. Let's see if it happens. I I'm more of the opinion of the BMW.

[Nick Kenan]

So it has not officially just they

[Filippo]

have on Monday they said yes last week when it was announced it was next week which would be this week on Monday they said yes this is still for sure 100% happening. It's going to increase to 25% have yet to see that happen.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right. And Trump's doing a lot of bluffing right now. In general you're also gotta be making the calculus if you're any company CEO is affected by tariffs you're 18 months into administration. It's only 48 months long. Trump is trying desperately to make everybody believe he's not a lame duck. But you do wonder what happens at the midterms, especially when you look at his approval ratings, which are unusually low. And then he really becomes a lame duck if he loses Congress. And so at that point, the automakers are probably sitting here like, let's just. You think you're gonna do. Let's just see how this goes.

[Nick Kenan]

Let's extend the odyssey a couple more years and just see how this plays out.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, that's built in Ohio by union labor, Marysville. Okay, I wanna move on to the talk cars segment. The talk cars segment is of course brought to you by Nick's Merch. Nick has merch now? It's a little generic. We're gonna work on it.

[Filippo]

I like it.

[Doug DeMuro]

We're gonna work on it, but I

[Nick Kenan]

just don't like it. Cause it's shade at you saying, I'd rather drive a Land Rover than. I'd rather push a Land Rover than drive a Land Cruiser. Some of us are real men that put up with Land Rovers. Some of us drive Toyotas.

[Doug DeMuro]

Nick, I have owned in my life.

[Nick Kenan]

Oh, here we go. Here we go.

[Doug DeMuro]

I have owned in my life a

[Nick Kenan]

lot of Toyota trucks. Because reliability.

[Doug DeMuro]

I've had four Land Rovers. How many is that for you?

[Nick Kenan]

I have two right now. How many do you have?

[Doug DeMuro]

One of them. You do have to fourth. What's the fourth? You tell me.

[Filippo]

Yeah, you had the L322. You had a Range Rover Classic.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

You had your defender. What's the fourth?

[Nick Kenan]

And the other defender D90, the green

[Doug DeMuro]

one and a yellow.

[Filippo]

Oh, I forgot about the green one.

[Doug DeMuro]

I had that green one. 50,000.

[Nick Kenan]

The one that he claimed he was going to keep forever and didn't. Made a video recently saying he's never going to say that.

[Doug DeMuro]

I cannot get that car to last. My family, my big SUV family car, I cannot get it to last. I've tried now three different cars that. All of which I just wanted to keep for a long time, and all three of them just didn't last for various reasons. The green Defender was not good enough for my purposes and wouldn't work anymore. Now. Now, because it didn't have a third row. The Land Cruiser. Honestly, the 200 Series Land Cruiser is a disappointment. And the Sequoia is just like, I'm doing it and I'm going to keep doing it. And every time I sit on this podcast, talk about how I'm going to replace it with an LX700H. I am not going to do that because it is just not feasible with car seats the way I need to use it. But, man, I just cannot get a car to last in that segment of my life.

[Filippo]

Suburban, here we come.

[Doug DeMuro]

I do want to talk about one car that's lasting in the top car segment today. Can you pull up the picture, please? This, this is an event. This is a recent event that happened in my life. This is me and producer Sean and we went to 5761 McFadden Avenue in Huntington beach, which is where the Carrera GT was designed.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

Me and Sean went there and you know, a lot of people, the Carrera GT is this very complex, technical, precision instrument engineered. And so a lot of people associate with Germans and the Germans are, oh, it's pro Porsche. It was made in this new fact, high tech. It was designed in a strip mall in Huntington beach in Orange County. And me and Sean happened to be there for other business. And we went by it and there's a picture of us in front of the Courier GT design studio. The story of the Courier GT Design is one of the all time greats. Samsung, the technology company, had decided they wanted to build a car and so they got this office and hired a team of designers. And then they decided late in the process that they didn't want to build a car. And so they sold the designers to Porsche.

[Filippo]

Can't sell people.

[Doug DeMuro]

But they sold the design studio to Porsche. And so the Courier GT was designed by people who originally were hired by Samsung in California to create a Samsung car. This wasn't like done at the highest levels of Porsche to create this super. It was done by, by guys who three weeks earlier were designing a car from a company that makes handheld tablets. And there's your Carrera GT story for the day. Me and Sean got to see at IRL what was there like a BP regional office or something, Some gas company?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

They were probably like, what the hell? Why are these people taking a picture outside national security risk now? You know, you don't have any thoughts on this? This is a momentous thing.

[Filippo]

Did you avoid. You've owned that car for a couple years. Career GT has been a big part of your life for decades. Yeah. Did you ever consider stopping there before?

[Doug DeMuro]

No, I would never go out of my way. This was literally on our way somewhere and I was like, wait, I think we're going near this. Like, there is no chance in my life that I would have ever even diverted 10 minutes to go do this.

[Filippo]

I'm so glad you had that experience though, with an edge and a Corolla cross in the background.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, no, it was a little dis. And I think that was, it was something nice.

[Filippo]

Nothing Escalade and.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, no, no, it wasn't an Escalade. It was something good. And, and, and it may be an odyssey, I think.

[Filippo]

Nope.

[Nick Kenan]

It does make you wonder that that whole story you had about the Ford EV and they wouldn't let Jim Farley in. Maybe it's in a strip mall somewhere and he doesn't want to go.

[Doug DeMuro]

I mean, he doesn't want to go.

[Nick Kenan]

It is.

[Filippo]

They, they said that they moved to a larger office space because they hired more people.

[Nick Kenan]

But it's in a. It's like shares a wall with the Rubios, you know, like, like, like Porsche just didn't have that good of storytelling to be like, oh, skunk works. Whatever it was, it was just like in a random strip mall. Of course. Like, oh, I got it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Team of designing career GT where like they'd be hashing out something over lunch at a strip mall sushi restaurant at one of those wide intersections in Huntington beach and they're talking about like Carrera GT design. Like, this is real.

[Filippo]

But a lot of automakers have had California design offices.

[Doug DeMuro]

This unfortunately did not rise to that level.

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug DeMuro]

Porsche didn't use the office really after the Carrera gt. And there was obviously a lot of design work that was done in Germany as well. However, in my, the concept car was done here completely. And in my opinion, that was it. Like the concept car is the Courage gt. And then after that, the Germans and these guys kind of collaborated more. But. Yeah.

[Filippo]

Do you consider the Courage GT to be a beautiful design?

[Doug DeMuro]

No. However, design style, I don't think it's a beautiful style. I think as a concept, as a product of design, I think it is a fantastic one. The way that it all works well, the way that the carbon chassis is part of the trim is really cool. I do not believe it is a well styled car. No. I think it looks like an El Camino.

[Nick Kenan]

I think it looks really cool. Really nice.

[Filippo]

I get it.

[Nick Kenan]

It gets handsome, understated. I like the subtlety of it.

[Doug DeMuro]

I like that it's subtle.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think that the big mistake, there are a few mistakes. It looks like a long boxer. Like in order to make the room for the engine, they had to add space and they just added. They added a big like a limo company down the street from his office. That's right. Just. And then, and then also to me, the, the biggest flaw was, was the, the rear where it, it should come from the roof and kind of sweep all the way down the roof line all the way down to the rear bumper. That's what everyone does. But they started it like lower this sort of like rear haunch and it looks like a pickup truck as a result, especially seen from the front quarter angle, it's not really well done very poorly. And this opinion is not, I mean

[Nick Kenan]

it wasn't successful when it came out. So obviously they should have gone crazier with the design.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't think the style had anything. This angle is its worst angle. And you can see, see what I'm.

[Filippo]

Oh, I apologize.

[Doug DeMuro]

And you can see exactly what I'm talking about from here. It makes a 90 degree and basically an L shape. And if you look at any other car, any other supercar mid engine car, they designed to avoid that. One of my favorites is the Maserati Maroc. Pull up one of those. Maserati Maroc or Bora, either one. Bora is easier to type. Go to images, I'll show you. This is one of the most bizarre things you're going to see. So the Bora. No, the Morocc. You have to go to the Morocc. The Bora is like that, but it's harder to tell.

[Filippo]

Merak M E R A K. Oh sure, sure. I spelled it wrong.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, so click on this, this picture. So this car had the same problem, an L shape. And you know what they did?

[Nick Kenan]

They just stuck the flying buttress.

[Doug DeMuro]

These buttresses have no purpose. But they knew that they didn't want to make the car have an L shape and look like a Lotus Europa or a pickup truck. And so it actually completely changes the profile of the car. But if you really look at what they are, they're just total bs. They're just stuck on there after the fact looking stupid. And the Carrera GT probably should have had. But the design of the Courrero GT was very conservative at every level. And that included the humps, which should have been larger. And there's my Carrera GT take of the day.

[Nick Kenan]

Interesting.

[Filippo]

What a take.

[Nick Kenan]

A CGT take. I actually enjoyed a first for this podcast.

[Filippo]

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[Doug DeMuro]

Nick, tell us about your talk cars experience.

[Nick Kenan]

I also had a nice lovely trip with a cars and Bids staffer. Oh yeah, me and Ryan Lopez. I got the E55 back from Atlanta. The manual swap is done. Ryan showed up at my house, actually woke me up. I was worried he was going to be late and I overslept and we drove to Los Angeles for Wagon Fest.

[Doug DeMuro]

Two people who the two of them trying to meet a time, a scheduled time.

[Nick Kenan]

It's amazing.

[Doug DeMuro]

Literally the blind leading the blind.

[Filippo]

But we.

[Nick Kenan]

So Wagon Fest is the biggest gathering of station wagons, I'm told in the

[Filippo]

U.S. shout out to Avant and the Peterson.

[Nick Kenan]

We had everything From a Ferrari 456 Venice to a ton of like CTS V wagons, a lot of AMG wagons, B5 S4, like really RS4, rather really cool stuff. And then the Peterson was open to all the attendees and saw the Fast and the Furious exhibit. Like it was just really, really fun. And like Ryan, I've never gotten to spend a lot of time with him. We started out on the wrong foot because he guessed my age incorrectly by about 10 years and I was deeply offended.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick Kenan]

Yes. And then I realized. Did you were 50 pushing 50 anyways? Yeah. And I was a little taken back. I thought he was coming for my job as a fill in for the podcast, but turns out we really like each other.

[Doug DeMuro]

I love Ryan Lopez. I've been telling people forever because you meet Ryan Lopez and your initial impression is, oh my God, this person's insane. These guys hired this person. But then you spend time with him and you're like, thank God there's Ryan Lopez in my life.

[Nick Kenan]

And Ryan was the hero of the day. So drive up to la, made great time. I said, check out how fast it can go. You know, we had a little pull and then I got a check. Engine light misfire, limp mode. And Ryan fixes it with his bare hand. No tools.

[Doug DeMuro]

What was was a fuel sending issue. Ryan Lopez went in there, he fully diagnosed. He replaced the fuel system actually right there on the side of the road.

[Nick Kenan]

It was a skunk raw muscle. It was a skunk work project. Jim Farley was not invited.

[Doug DeMuro]

Not allowed.

[Nick Kenan]

Yes, it was at a strip mall in Huntington Beach.

[Filippo]

That part's probably true.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah, we fixed it. And yeah, that'll be live by the time or I don't know, I'll post something about it. But yeah, no, the E55 is fantastic. We've been joking internally in our chat group here that the third row wagon, which I've discovered but apparently you guys already have, is a game changer. Sure do, my daughter. But both of my kids now only want to ride around in the backseat of the wagon.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm going to tell you something about Nick. Nick has decided to buy all the cars I own. This is an interesting thing that's happened

[Filippo]

here, Nick, we're going to go with this again.

[Doug DeMuro]

Nick has aired this publicly. The thing I like about it is because it was on this podcast that he said that I'm not going to buy any more BS cars. In the months after that, he's decided to buy all of my cars. My presumption is that he's next going to buy a 993 Twin Turbo.

[Filippo]

No, he'll buy a 4S.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, he buys like a worse but newer version. That's like what he does something a little off. Yeah, he's definitely turbo. Can you imagine?

[Nick Kenan]

I would get the 996 Turbo because that's the value. Play tip. Yeah, non tip.

[Filippo]

By the way, if you like Nick like Ryan a lot, he has a bunch of videos on the Key channel. So go check that out.

[Nick Kenan]

That one with the Earth roamer is my favorite one so far.

[Filippo]

That's a good.

[Nick Kenan]

It was so good. Including when Ryan has the reaction to almost scraping the car and like some dicey off road moments. But it's really good Entertainment.

[Doug DeMuro]

The key YouTube channel. Go do it. Go see Ryan Lopez in action. He's never going to be here on this podcast. He's sitting over there. We just talk about him, but you can see him in real life.

[Nick Kenan]

I listened to the podcast last week and did not watch it. And Ryan was on it last week. Last week you apparently walked off at the very end you see Ryan saying goodbye.

[Doug DeMuro]

I walked off because Felipe wouldn't stop promoting stuff. At the end I was like, as a joke, I was like, you want to promote anything else? If it was like actually two things. First Off. She's Filippo.

[Filippo]

I was just promoting Ryan.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. I want to move on to the. What else you got?

[Filippo]

Can I say one thing?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. Is it going to be a promotion for something?

[Filippo]

No, but. Although, first I want to know you give the word Clarity. And I hope you're talking about a Honda.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do you want to do that?

[Filippo]

I do, because I got to know what it is.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right. I got a sad, very sad story for you. Sean knows what it is. I got a very sad story for you this week. Our editor, our video editor and. And. And helper to Sean during the podcast.

[Filippo]

This is not about a Honda Clarity.

[Doug DeMuro]

Was hit. He was driving his Kia Telluride.

[Filippo]

Oh, no.

[Doug DeMuro]

And he was hit by a car changing lanes. And that car was a Honda Clarity.

[Nick Kenan]

What?

[Doug DeMuro]

Pull up a picture of a Honda Clarity.

[Filippo]

I don't feel it.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I thought to myself, no, pull it up. This is part of the point. I thought to myself, you know, when you're in an accident, your first response is, stop, pull over. Like, make sure that nothing else worse happens. Yeah. Put this picture right. Yeah, yeah. But if you're in an accident with a Honda Clarity, I was thinking that's the one time when you should try to increase the damage because you really want one less. You're like, doing the. You really, like, look at it. Right? It's really a bad situation. It was unfortunate from day one. And this was Nick's chance to destroy one, to get one more off the road.

[Filippo]

First of all, you know that any damage to the side is total in that car. You can't. You gotta assume they don't make parts.

[Doug DeMuro]

I can't.

[Nick Kenan]

They broke the mold. They're just like, we're ashamed.

[Doug DeMuro]

Click on this one. I can't believe that this car ever came out looking like this.

[Nick Kenan]

I mean, do you remember that cross tour, though? That was even worse.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, it was not worse than covering the rear wheel.

[Nick Kenan]

Dude, I don't know.

[Filippo]

Fuel economy or. Right, hydrogen economy.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's funny because Honda has been trying to, like, beat the Prius since the Prius came out, and they've come up with all this crazy stuff.

[Filippo]

Well, fuel sector, the Mirai also is.

[Doug DeMuro]

And this. Well, but this wasn't a fuel cell. It was a plug in hybrid. There were fuel cell clarities, but not 99.9% of them, including the one that hit him, was just a plague.

[Filippo]

I assumed it was the. I was gonna make a joke about if he got thirsty while waiting for the police.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, he could just drink, drink. Go back to the overhang. Picture. I mean this is really one of the bad cars.

[Nick Kenan]

Pull up a Cross Tour.

[Filippo]

No, we're good. We're gonna not go down the George Fly red ass.

[Doug DeMuro]

Then the covered rear wheel.

[Nick Kenan]

Look at the rear of the Cross Tour.

[Filippo]

It's not a bad looking car. It's also probably the best Honda anyway.

[Doug DeMuro]

I felt bad for Nick. Especially felt bad for the Honda Clarity person who now has to try to get this thing fixed. And I'm sure all they were thinking was this is my chance. I can finally get out of this thing.

[Nick Kenan]

The Honda Cross Tour is just not worse at all. In fact, no go from the back view. The front view is fine because it's just like a.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is what an EV looks like now. This is what a Model Y looks like today. There is no difference between this and a Q5 Sportback. There's an E TRON Sportback.

[Filippo]

No disagreement. Four is actually worse.

[Nick Kenan]

There's one in my very progressive neighborhood that I walk by all of the time and I think I can't believe I have to live with this.

[Doug DeMuro]

It is funny because he complains and people complain. But that is what all EVs now look like.

[Filippo]

I do want to say one thing. I am going to Italy. You're going in June, which I'm really excited about. We're going all around. We're going south for the first time in years. It's going to be exciting. There are no good like rental cars in Europe have gotten worse because all of them now are cars that I would like as a daily driver. I guess like, like a hybrid.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, they're not.

[Filippo]

They're not small suv.

[Nick Kenan]

Right.

[Filippo]

I purposely rent like the. Like smaller hatchbacks. Cuz I want a manual transmission. I refuse to drive in Italy without a manual transmission. I have refused cars and made them give me a manual transmission car.

[Nick Kenan]

Right?

[Filippo]

Cuz I am who I am.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right?

[Filippo]

But there's so few and they're not great anymore. It used to be that every car

[Doug DeMuro]

was that Turo doesn't exist in Italy.

[Filippo]

No, it does exist in France.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's in France. And there's good stuff on Turo in France. Like legit good stuff. But they're not in Italy.

[Filippo]

You can rent a miata but it's like 5x the price of everything else.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's not worth it doesn't have anything cost cool.

[Filippo]

At insane prices.

[Doug DeMuro]

Malpensa Avis. Last time I was there they offered me a Julia which I'm sure was a 1 liter automatic 38.

[Filippo]

I don't do such things.

[Doug DeMuro]

I turned it down and took a CMax instead.

[Filippo]

Good car.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're both bad. I mean, the Julia is good, but the. The one that they would have given me which would have had hubcaps.

[Filippo]

I will have an Opal Astra or equivalent or something.

[Doug DeMuro]

What a. What a shame.

[Filippo]

Last time I had a Peugeot 208 which has a small steering wheel. Yeah, it was great. Exceptional. Good car.

[Doug DeMuro]

You should go for Volkswagen up or similar.

[Filippo]

Too small. Also. They don't make up anymore.

[Doug DeMuro]

Too small in what way?

[Filippo]

They don't make the up anymore.

[Doug DeMuro]

Too small in what way?

[Filippo]

I think they're used to some amount of like, comfort for the thousand. We do a thousand miles.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wow. These luxuries literally do a thousand miles. Lifestyle creep.

[Filippo]

You're watching the Polo class.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is bad, bad behavior.

[Filippo]

I said Astro earlier, but quite disappointed. But if anybody knows of, like, better options, let me know.

[Doug DeMuro]

We don't.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I know. I didn't mean you.

[Nick Kenan]

I think you should buy something that we want to buy anyways.

[Filippo]

I have consider. I've considered that, but we've learned that it's not that it is doable, haven't we?

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't know.

[Nick Kenan]

I don't know.

[Doug DeMuro]

We looked into this for years in Italy. To purchase a car, you need to be an Italian.

[Filippo]

You need to have a. You need. But you can buy one. There's like some paperwork you can do to drive a car there if you're not.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. Get it.

[Filippo]

We looked at. Look into this. Oh, wow.

[Nick Kenan]

The only.

[Doug DeMuro]

Again, we're not doing.

[Filippo]

Again.

[Doug DeMuro]

I got asked about, you know what? This is the thing about these cars. These. These bad European cars that Americans idolize. It'd be like Europeans idolizing a Ford Taurus. And I got interviewed. You know, my. My old A Class, my old A Class got hit on the street six months ago and totaled, thank God. And it's at Copart now.

[Filippo]

The buyer of your old A Class, but the prior owner then bought your A2.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, it's a little complicated because. And that's part of the story. The A Class was that I own, that I imported was so bad that I sold it. I had hated it. I sold to a guy in Texas who hated it. He sold it to a guy in Texas who hated it. And then he sold it to a guy in California. And that car had four owners in a year because everybody got into it thinking, this will be cool. And then it turned out to be utter ass. And finally it got hit and it got destroyed. And so it's at Copart and Matt Hardigrid Called me, who works for the autopian, and he said, hey, your old A class at Copart, we're doing an article. Do you want to say anything about it? And I. I said, right. I said, quote me. That car got what it deserved. And that's the problem with the Evan team. Like, we. We do this, and it's like, oh, it's so cool. Then they come, the car comes here, and one month into the multiply, you were like, you know.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

I love the multiple, though.

[Nick Kenan]

I. I suspect Tony Airlines might be ready to move on by the time I ship him his replacement hubcap.

[Doug DeMuro]

Look at this. Really, though, did he say that?

[Nick Kenan]

No, I just suspected because you've had. It's implied by the length of his

[Doug DeMuro]

ownership, the fact that he has one at all. Now, if. If we got a Vel, it'd be different because I think that would give me some luxury.

[Filippo]

It is more comfortable, for sure.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Filippo]

I should look into that. I could buy a car in Italy.

[Nick Kenan]

Do it.

[Filippo]

I won't, obviously, but I could.

[Doug DeMuro]

What you're hoping is that some viewers like, hey, I'll give you a car.

[Filippo]

I don't want any kind of responsibility, so I actually will just rent the car from whichever rental car company was cheapest when I booked it months ago.

[Doug DeMuro]

If you don't want any kind of responsibility, you should do what I do and get the full insurance.

[Filippo]

I've never been in any kind of motor vehicle altercation.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but if you get the full insurance, you will be. That's the thing.

[Filippo]

I. I would prefer to avoid that.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, no. This is one of the things I do. Listen, I. I'm not. I'm not wealthy to the point where I can just do whatever I want, but I. I have enough money now where I can do stuff like buy the full insurance. And when I do that.

[Filippo]

Good for you.

[Doug DeMuro]

I just treat it like a bumper car. I'm dead serious.

[Nick Kenan]

You see a clarity.

[Doug DeMuro]

You just. I now, whenever I go to Europe now, I get full insurance, and I. If it scrapes on something, it scrapes on something. They sold me the insurance, naturally, by

[Filippo]

virtue of who I am, I just will not scrape it on something.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's how I felt for a long time, too. And then this last time, I was in Italy and I had this van and I had full insurance, and I was parking a tight spot, and there was, for some reason, a giant. A row of giant cement pillars next to the parking spots, all of which had paint transfer. And I just. And then you'd think that you'd try to get out of there and park somewhere else. No, I went and then we were in the spot.

[Filippo]

That poor V series Mercedes. Oh, I can't do that to a car.

[Nick Kenan]

Well, enjoy Italy.

[Filippo]

Thank you. I will. I'm excited. There will be a couple weeks that I'm not on this podcast. I know.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh my God.

[Filippo]

And I'm sad about that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Who's going to be instead?

[Nick Kenan]

Ryan Lopez and I are going to arm wrestle.

[Doug DeMuro]

What time is this podcast? You could do this podcast early evening.

[Filippo]

It's true.

[Doug DeMuro]

And then you could update us on the rental car thing.

[Filippo]

Excellent plan. Not a shot.

[Doug DeMuro]

What about. Do they not have little manual SUVs anymore?

[Filippo]

There's a chance that that's what I get. Like I could get a Renegade with a manual that exists. But that would be a bad decision because it's a bad product.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, right. I agree.

[Filippo]

And so I. Last year, the first car that I got was an Opal Grand Land.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Which is like a midsize suv.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

It had a manual and a diesel and it was. Had a little bit of an oil leak issue. So you gave it a. I gave it back and I got a picture.

[Doug DeMuro]

I would never have done that. I would have just bought some oil. You know what your problem is?

[Filippo]

I also really didn't want the Opal Grand Land. We showed up at an Airbnb and the guy legitimately yelled at me about why did I bring that big a car to his town. And I decided that that wasn't something I was interested in.

[Doug DeMuro]

And then you spoke to him in Italian and of course. Explain yourself. Last car segment thing I want to discuss is my search for an S210E55.

[Filippo]

Folks, that's not what you have written down, buddy.

[Doug DeMuro]

Sean S-E A [e-mail] S E A N@carsandbids dot com I want a 2000 or 2001 E55 wagon, silver post facelift. I don't even care if it is a third row anymore. I don't care. It doesn't matter to me. That's what I want. Thanks to Nick, one of them came up on Facebook. Marketplace in the Northwest. I know about that car. I declined to purchase it. I'm not going to talk bad about it, but I would say that if you were interested in of a couple car that you. You may wouldn't want that one either.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

But nonetheless, I'm still looking. If you have one of these, find it. Additionally, I am looking for a Supra. I want a Mark 4 Red Mark 4 Turbo manual I'm ready to buy today. S E a [e-mail] don't send automatics. We know about the automatics. If the car is listed on the Internet assume that I've seen it left hand drive send me. Yeah I want lhd. I want a USDM Supra turbo.

[Filippo]

Are you actually ready to do this tomorrow? What about a month from now?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, a month from now. Two months from now. Tomorrow I'm doing it.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

Mark 4 Super Turbo Renaissance red stick. Not modified and that card may not exist. Not only gets an E eventually I'm going to have to compromise on color and I know I'm going to have to do that.

[Filippo]

And mods I also want to mods are reversible.

[Nick Kenan]

A lot of them anyway.

[Filippo]

You'd accept light mods like. Like actually light.

[Doug DeMuro]

I need to pass small. Yeah and I and that E55 that's what I'm looking for. S a ncars and bids.com send Sean an email if you have those things. Sean is paying top dollar.

[Filippo]

You know what I'm going to just put it out there. I'm going to create the alias right after this. You can also email Sean with the other spelling@carson bids.com we'll make sure of

[Doug DeMuro]

course we'll make sure spelling of Sean and cars and bins Any realistic spelling

[Filippo]

that I'm going to think about in the next minute.

[Doug DeMuro]

S H a W N. Yeah that's only one S H un no.

[Nick Kenan]

I'm excited for you to follow in my footsteps. Do Shane also on an E55.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's true Nick. I'll be following your footsteps. Of course. I had two AMG wagons before you were while you were still money shift on your TTRs back when you're in

[Nick Kenan]

the money shift you had a bad color E63 automatic.

[Doug DeMuro]

That is true. And then I had a good color E63 automatic.

[Filippo]

Did you?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, I had a white one when

[Nick Kenan]

I first moved here.

[Doug DeMuro]

You knew me when I owned this car.

[Nick Kenan]

You think that's a good color?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, it was nice. Okay, it's time to move on to the market report. And is the market report brought to you by Carson Bay? Yeah, the market report is brought to you by nick's merch line 22.58.

[Filippo]

Really?

[Doug DeMuro]

That's what that costs?

[Nick Kenan]

That's it. Can you believe it? That's with no profit margin whistle and Diesel's charging like 50 bucks a shirt.

[Filippo]

Can I get clarity? That's what I as a consumer would pay. Or that's what your break even is.

[Nick Kenan]

No. I make like $11.27. Or whatever happens.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. In other words, the shirt will last three laundry cycles. People.

[Nick Kenan]

Gildan makes it.

[Filippo]

That feels right.

[Nick Kenan]

It's a poly blend.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's $7 per wear. Because after the third wear, the shirt has destroyed.

[Nick Kenan]

I've actually watched this once already.

[Filippo]

Or you can have a lifetime of happiness. Just go to carsonbids.com or go to

[Doug DeMuro]

carsandbids.com and get good merchandise. Wait a minute. Yeah. We're not trying to sell his. We have merchandise.

[Nick Kenan]

I do. My next job is going to be Doug Demuro copies all of my cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Carsandbids.com so niche. Where's our merch?

[Filippo]

Merch?

[Doug DeMuro]

I know how to get to it. Sake. I bet you can figure it out.

[Filippo]

Merch Car 2001.

[Nick Kenan]

Email Sean with instructions on how to

[Doug DeMuro]

Sean with your shirt size.

[Nick Kenan]

It's like the old mailing or mail in things you need to write down. Handwrite like in the boxes.

[Filippo]

The market report is brought to you by Cars and Bits. Cars and Bits dot com.

[Nick Kenan]

The web app or the mobile app.

[Filippo]

Doug, what you got for us?

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. I want to talk about pace cars. Can you pull it up, please? You saw this? You saw this yesterday.

[Nick Kenan]

I didn't.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right. We sold. We didn't sell or did sell. I don't know. But we had a Camaro pace car. Folks, my guilty pleasure, like Nick's guilty pleasure is watching Newsmax after his wife goes to bed. My guilty pleasure.

[Nick Kenan]

I don't even know what that is.

[Filippo]

San Diego company. He's local.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, exactly. Local to north.

[Nick Kenan]

I don't.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't. My guilty pleasure is pace cars. I love the indie pace car versions of all the cars.

[Filippo]

To be clear.

[Nick Kenan]

Not.

[Filippo]

These were not cars that were literally pace cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

The actual pace car needs to be preserved somewhere. That fella has a museum to him. The fellow, Roger. What's his name? You know the Penske.

[Filippo]

He's got.

[Doug DeMuro]

He's got all the. Every time he won Indie. He's got the pace car and the real car. I don't want any part of that. I want the. The BS version. The. The replica.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

This was somebody first off. Bid to 9,100 bucks. This. 900 bucks.

[Nick Kenan]

60,000 miles.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is cool. That's the other thing. Some dude got the pleasure of driving this 60,000. How cool would it be to drive around a pace car for 60,000 miles? Miles.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want a fourth gen Camaro Firebird. So it would be so Cool. Anyway, what my point is Pace cars are cool even if you don't think they are. And they are cheap.

[Filippo]

They are. Cuz they're always the worst version of that GM product.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, it's a Z28.

[Nick Kenan]

There were a lot of GM products with an automatic. Very questionable.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're missing the point. Click on the seats. Once you see this, look at the rest. Go to the interior. And go to the interior.

[Filippo]

Oh wow. I forgot about that. Yeah. All right, point taken.

[Nick Kenan]

I'd mess with that, I grant you that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Go to the. Wait. Go to the back seats.

[Filippo]

The rest of them. We apparently struggle to sell Pace cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, no.

[Nick Kenan]

Well, it's hard.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's hard.

[Nick Kenan]

Everyone does a premium for a car that looks like that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Everyone struggles to sell Pace cars because they're. They're very limited and they have this sort of special pizzazz around them. But ultimately they are not that desirable. And they're always really easy to find because they're kind of always for sale because they were saved and really.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah. And they're.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Nick Kenan]

Well preserved.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like if they made 500, all 500 are still exist and are like socked away and so it's not. They're not valuable. And yes, they were 90s cars mostly. They're not only GM. So here's an interesting factoid. Back in the day, the Indy 500 pace car, there used to be like a fight between who would actually pace. Would it be Chrysler, would it be Ford, would it be gm? And at some point that ended and now GM has paced for decades and it's stupid, but there used to be a fight. John Mellencamp's wife drove an Oldsmobile Bravada as an Indy Pacer car in like 2002. Needless to say, they didn't make a Pace car edition of that Stabilit track. Stabilit track.

[Nick Kenan]

Pretty cool actually.

[Doug DeMuro]

Look at those seats.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

9,100 bucks. Now it didn't sell, but that's what it was worth.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah. O2.

[Doug DeMuro]

You said the, the. The final gen Bravada.

[Filippo]

I prefer the up to 2000.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, no. No one else does.

[Filippo]

No, no, not like as a car,

[Doug DeMuro]

but pull up Bravadas.

[Filippo]

No. Nick, you know this car we actually hosted have one.

[Nick Kenan]

We had a Jimmy of.

[Doug DeMuro]

We did. I reviewed a. Really?

[Filippo]

You reviewed a. I do remember prior to that point you reviewed it.

[Doug DeMuro]

I reviewed both of those. I reviewed both of those cars.

[Filippo]

Seriously, I love this Bravada. Yeah. Not a good car. Love that. The next gen is like the Trailblazer Gen.

[Doug DeMuro]

But I'll tell you something. A 4.3 V6, which is an engine I made fun of constantly when I was growing up because it had 190 horse out of 4.3 liters. Over time, you. You. When. When you're. When your mindset. When your mindset shifts and. And reliability and longevity and durability become your interest, the 4.3 L V6, you start to really get into.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Nick Kenan]

Sounds like a Toyota owner dude.

[Doug DeMuro]

That pace car for 9100 bucks and the fact that somebody got to drive it 60,000 miles. That dude was just daily in a V8 Camaro pace car.

[Nick Kenan]

Felipe, that grand spot, it looks so bad.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want that car so bad. I like like my 90s GM.

[Filippo]

Yep. Who doesn't like deep? Sold for 23.7,000 miles, but that is 23.

[Nick Kenan]

The AMG GT coupe was also on my list of like, man, every. Every week those get more attractive.

[Doug DeMuro]

I was not, not interested in that grand sport. I think it was in Florida.

[Filippo]

By the way, I think we have another grand sport that's live by the time you watch this.

[Doug DeMuro]

Ooh, is it a. Is it a nice blue?

[Filippo]

It is so cool. I think about an equivalently nice coupe to this.

[Doug DeMuro]

This car is so.

[Nick Kenan]

Legitimate question. Is that the only car to pull off black wheels?

[Filippo]

Well, if you think it pulled it off. Well, maybe I do.

[Nick Kenan]

It is part of the Look Project 8. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Maybe the only crowd ever project.

[Nick Kenan]

It could have any wheels and I'd still think it's cool. Teddy bears on it. I'm still into it.

[Filippo]

Well, that's cool on anything.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, totally. Pace cars are the bargain of the century.

[Filippo]

Can I talk about C6s?

[Doug DeMuro]

Of course. Felipe wants to talk about Corvettes,

[Filippo]

but.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right.

[Filippo]

The other day we sold this, which must be the single nicest C6Z6 left. It's in a color, has 8,500 miles.

[Doug DeMuro]

Super late year.

[Filippo]

Like California owned pretty much on. The only modification was something minor.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yep, sure.

[Filippo]

Right. Like LED light bulbs and fog lights to that.

[Nick Kenan]

And they pulled a fuse.

[Filippo]

60 grand. Oh, yeah. That is both a lot for a C6.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

But such a bargain for a 7L V8. The nicest. Just one of these.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

I mean, you can. It depends what you're looking for. Like, I presume this is going to go to someone who's also going to use it primarily as a show car. Like the. Like this deal. Yeah, like There are better C6Z06 deals.

[Filippo]

No, no. But the fact that the highest echelon. Yeah, obviously there's also like no mile

[Doug DeMuro]

car, 30 to 60 car.

[Filippo]

But like that feels like a bargain for the top corner.

[Doug DeMuro]

Here's a question for you. For this same money you could get a C8.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

I'd rather have a C6.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'd rather of a C8.

[Filippo]

Can I. Fine. I'll talk about C8. C8 are getting down to the like have retained their value but are dropping. Yeah. Not spikers did notice.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right.

[Filippo]

This Z06 convertible Y I'd rather have a 130. It's a lot of money. Y do you what sticker was on

[Doug DeMuro]

this Z06 convertible 3LZ. A lot of options.

[Nick Kenan]

I mean 195.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Something high 182 it's up there. So C6 C8s in general we've said they're holding their value pretty well. Cuz they have not driven drop past high 50.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

On like a 70 sticker for a day. But the expensive ones are 50 grand

[Doug DeMuro]

Z6 I think especially cuz ZR1 came out pretty quick after my buddy Brett like made an offer at a dealer on a new Z06 was of like 10 under thinking that they would be like. And they on the spot were like yep, nope, let's do it. Let's do the paperwork. He was like oh my God.

[Filippo]

Brett by the way ended up with an M coupe.

[Doug DeMuro]

An M coupe.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

But he still talks about how he wants a Z06. Don't we all. They're amazing cars. But it's. It's still big money. I mean I think think that the. The story, the really desirable story with the C8 is value. And so at 180 it's a tough car at that. It starts to get to be a tough car.

[Filippo]

It's interesting how much the top end like buy a base C8 if you want to retain value. Buy a base C8. Turns out to be the answer. Yeah.

[Nick Kenan]

For once being cheap pays off.

[Filippo]

Hell yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And honestly a base C8 is such a thrill that it's like totally fine.

[Nick Kenan]

I thought that same way the C5 the base is plenty fun. We'd all prefer the Z06 especially for 11. For the majority of drivers it has more power than you're going to know

[Doug DeMuro]

what to tell you.

[Filippo]

Absolutely.

[Doug DeMuro]

On that subject, I want to talk about the Caprice. Did you see this Caprice? We sold the Caprice PPV for more money than I was expecting.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

16 but. But this is the dream Caprice PPV. You know about this car?

[Nick Kenan]

Not this one. I know Caprices in general.

[Doug DeMuro]

This car was Australian built and it was only sold to government fleets. So you had to be. Or fleets in general.

[Nick Kenan]

General.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

And. But this is a good one because a lot of them were converted into marked police cars and then used and then you know, run over curbs. This was a detective model.

[Filippo]

This is the one. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

So it doesn't have holes in it for light bars and things like that. Still has hubcaps. Didn't have many miles on it. And you know what I realized that is that a Caprice PPV is kind of a backdoor way into owning like a Corvette or a Camaro sedan. It's a six liter V8 with 400 horsepower. That's a C6.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I mean.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And. But for 16 grand and it's four doors, it's not nice. Like the interior was government fleet.

[Nick Kenan]

Understatement.

[Doug DeMuro]

But it's 16 grand and it's. And it's still a big old V8. Like. And. And this one wasn't really used much. 60,000 miles of 15 year old car.

[Filippo]

I should say. It is not actually the V8 from the C6 Corvette.

[Doug DeMuro]

Different motor.

[Filippo]

It's a different motor entirely. Has notably less power, but it is a cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

What do you mean notably?

[Filippo]

Three power 50 go down.

[Doug DeMuro]

How much power does that?

[Filippo]

350. 350. 355.

[Doug DeMuro]

What? What? And 384 pounds. Feet.

[Filippo]

I thought a base C6 had 400.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, 360 to 400. Dude.

[Filippo]

15%.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Julia Quadrifoglio had 505 horse when the M3 had 425.

[Filippo]

436.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, this is a late.

[Filippo]

That is a late one.

[Doug DeMuro]

Late one.

[Nick Kenan]

I mean all of that is true. But you can get an S55 that meets all of that criteria. Way nicer inside the price. A grand buys a nice S55.

[Doug DeMuro]

But Nick, that's the point.

[Nick Kenan]

You don't have a fleet sale interior. You have more power.

[Filippo]

You gotta ask.

[Nick Kenan]

It checks all the boxes for four grand less.

[Filippo]

Do you not buy this? Look at that.

[Nick Kenan]

It doesn't even have headlights. Someone control x them and forgot the

[Doug DeMuro]

control V. But like that's the thing. Like the Caprice is going to be relatively affordable to own. Do you understand? Kind of where I'm headed with this.

[Nick Kenan]

Tc.

[Doug DeMuro]

Tco tco is what I'm saying. Yeah, I know that. This doesn't matter guy. Money shifts to tt, rebuilds the motor. Doesn't care.

[Nick Kenan]

You got four grand left over for maintenance.

[Filippo]

What's it gonna Call maintenance.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's all you'll need. This is also the gray looks for headlights right there.

[Filippo]

The gray looks good.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. It's a nice looking car. This is a backdoor way into owning a nice G8 or a nice C6 Corvette or a CTS V without making a big splash. There's one other market report we gotta talk about which is.

[Nick Kenan]

Is oh mine.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Nick Kenan]

Sls. You guys have a very nice one that is not sold yet and I think that's the nicest one. These cars still blow my mind because it came after the SLR and is arguably better in a lot of ways. They are much more affordable. The roadsters in particular are like a significant discount over the fixed roof.

[Filippo]

Such a bargain.

[Doug DeMuro]

But the roadsters aren't.

[Nick Kenan]

But all of the. They're just such a cool car and I think it blows people away in terms of like how special it is. I mean to buy that for 83 or to buy a coupe for mid 1/ hundreds.

[Filippo]

Specialness for 83 is high

[Nick Kenan]

911s that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Nick Kenan]

But nothing interesting about AMG GT is

[Doug DeMuro]

faster than this car, more agile than this car.

[Filippo]

This is a beautiful car.

[Nick Kenan]

Look at this.

[Filippo]

Feel special.

[Doug DeMuro]

AMG GT is beautiful and feels special.

[Nick Kenan]

You're going to win your small town. They're going to win small town Concord in this and an amazing AMG gt. They're going to think you're another.

[Doug DeMuro]

I totally disagree. I think 99.99999% of people seeing those two cars driving down the road will think they are exactly the same car.

[Filippo]

I will think that sauce is cooler

[Doug DeMuro]

and the AMG GT is faster and cheaper. The coupe is a different story. If you go back to the coupe that we're selling right now with the doors, that is cool. Like the doors. A lot of cars have open doors that open like that, like up.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

No cars have true gull wings. Except for this and the gull wing.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick Kenan]

And look at that. I mean maybe the photos are just really good but. And funny enough this guy said that he bought it and just liked his Porsche better basically. But look at that. I would have that over a Porsche of the same price point every day of the week without thinking twice.

[Doug DeMuro]

It is not a car for Porsche people. It is actually a surprisingly precise driving experience. But it's definitely more of a V8 muscle car. You can't get your stitching. You can't get. It's like it doesn't have like the

[Nick Kenan]

Porsche, it's like a muscle car crowd to it.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's more of A muscle car vibe. And it's more of like a kind of supercar. Maybe even a bit more of a look at me.

[Filippo]

Which for 83 cab is. I, I, I get your point.

[Nick Kenan]

Right.

[Filippo]

This doesn't have the doors. The doors, but it looks better than amg. I think the AMG GT looks great. This looks more classic.

[Doug DeMuro]

Maybe you. I think that virtually everybody else. The MGT has a long hood too.

[Filippo]

It's longer.

[Doug DeMuro]

Let's get a tape measure left.

[Filippo]

Get a bolt light. I. You see an sls, you're like an sls.

[Doug DeMuro]

When I see an SLS coupe, I do say that.

[Filippo]

Yeah. No, not for a cab Roadstrom.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like AMG G is better in every way.

[Nick Kenan]

I don't know. I'm a Roadster fan. Personally.

[Filippo]

I do love. To be clear, I've been talking about how great the AMG GT is constantly because it is exceptional.

[Doug DeMuro]

This one is really cool. Did you see this? We got this four door on the site right now, but it has like not annoying wheels. So many of the four doors, the wheels are like 50s and they're just like in your face. Like I'm gonna. Yeah, like it's. I like these wheels.

[Nick Kenan]

I like, but it's a lot.

[Doug DeMuro]

This car is like the subtle and all the other subtle. Four doors are 43s or 53s and this is a 63, but with the subtle wheels.

[Nick Kenan]

I feel like it looks like Filippo spec'd it.

[Doug DeMuro]

This, this is the kind of. This is the kind of car that a person of your interest level in things wouldn't want.

[Nick Kenan]

What is that supposed to mean?

[Doug DeMuro]

Like, you know, like a showy fella who wants to maybe loudly and proudly talk about some of his political affiliations. Maybe he wouldn't want one of these. But a nice Swiss gentleman who wants to be under the radar but still enjoy 600 horsepower, that's what he.

[Nick Kenan]

I'm definitely not a nice Swiss gentleman.

[Filippo]

Have we ever auctioned a convertible engine gt? They exist, right?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, tons. Many look.

[Filippo]

That is a pretty car. SLS is better looking, but it looks very similar. Also cheap.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's the thing. These are a lot cheaper than SLS somehow. And they're faster and newer and I don't necessarily see a huge benefit to the sls. This is a great motor. Anybody who says that they want any motor more than the twin Turbo AMG V8 has never driven a twin turbo AMG. We have to move on to the questions. The questions, of course are brought you to to you by Nick's merch line.

[Nick Kenan]

Amazing. I'm going to get like two sales today.

[Doug DeMuro]

For $22.88, you too can have this lovely shirt.

[Filippo]

Do I get a kickback for just being around this?

[Nick Kenan]

I can send promotion, a promo if you willing to wear it.

[Doug DeMuro]

No. They're brought to you by John by Ryan Lopez's mechanic skills. Ryan Lopez. If three of if you floor it and three warning lights come on while you're driving on the 411, Ryan knows what to do. Ryan Lopez will fix it on the side. Pure muscle.

[Nick Kenan]

He's been there. It's very true.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, there's a lot of questions this week. Remember, you too can ask questions. Go to carsandbids.com, click on the community tab. And then there's a space that says podcast questions and ask it, folks. I was getting questions up until like five minutes ago. If you're sitting here watching this thinking, oh, it's too late. It is not too late. Ask us questions. And if you have a good red manual super turn turbo or a W210S210E55 wagon, send it to Sean. S e a n carsandbids.com or S

[Filippo]

h a w. Who cares?

[Doug DeMuro]

Or sha u n we're even going to do that. S h a n e Shane Cars

[Nick Kenan]

and bids pull up that Ranger.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. Flatbed Ranger stakeside.

[Nick Kenan]

I want that. That is so cool. Don't know what I'd do with it, man.

[Filippo]

You need it.

[Nick Kenan]

That is worth every penny of 600 bucks.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is like the A class, though, like. Yeah, I totally agree. Like, we go to the interior.

[Nick Kenan]

I would start a landscaping business.

[Doug DeMuro]

I remember this interior. I can tell you everything. I live been in so many of these and I just know that, like, six weeks into it, you're like, well, back in the plastic.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick Kenan]

No, I mean, the Ford Explorer is the exact same dash. Yeah, exactly.

[Doug DeMuro]

And a lot of Fords. Honestly, a lot of Ford trucks.

[Nick Kenan]

Bench seat in the front's nice.

[Filippo]

Then you got a long throw front

[Doug DeMuro]

bench, but with a manual. Yeah, don't put your foot there. One time I was on a small plane and they sat me in the front and I had no leg room and I was sitting there like this and my knee over, like, it was an hour flight and my knee over time, like, started to, like, move into a control and just barely tapped at the pal. I was like, don't touch that. I was like, oh, my God. I barely contort into the space. That could be you sitting right next to me. Arm around each other in our Ranger stakeside.

[Nick Kenan]

That would be cool. Ranger danger, baby.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh wow. Felipe's going through the cars. Okay, first question from JB86. First question. The Porsche museum had a first gen, has a first gen Cayenne convertible prototype. You ever seen a picture of this? Pull it up.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah, the one that looks like kind of a speedster. Yeah, I'm, I'm a bigger fan of the Newport convertible engineering version. But had Porsche. Yeah, that, that's so cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

Had Porsche made this.

[Filippo]

I don't. Uhoh.

[Nick Kenan]

We're in AI mode.

[Filippo]

We're in AI mode.

[Doug DeMuro]

Had Porsche made this wood. Doug of bot. The thing I think is cool. Pull up that picture. The thing I think is cool that people don't realize. Cuz the pictures that they've shown are from the side. It does look like this. Because it was a design study. They were trying, they were trying to design two different rear ends. Exactly. And so they put them both on the car. So the real, the real one, this is a, this is a rendering. But the real one looks like that. But they only ever show side photos because they don't want anybody to see it.

[Nick Kenan]

It's super cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

So would Doug have bought that instead of the G convertible? No. Next question. Would you have bought it? For sure you'd buy a two door Cayenne convertible?

[Nick Kenan]

I, I would buy any Cayenne convertible.

[Doug DeMuro]

Convertible.

[Nick Kenan]

SUVs are Pinnacle. One day you'll learn this.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wait a sec.

[Nick Kenan]

One day you should get one. Wait a sec, we can talk about it.

[Doug DeMuro]

You'd buy any Cayenne convertible. So if one were to come up on cars and bids, would you buy it?

[Nick Kenan]

Trust me, I've, I've seen it. I've heard of it. I would have bought it had I acted on Facebook Marketplace quicker.

[Filippo]

Yeah, you should have.

[Nick Kenan]

I still think that is a very cool car.

[Filippo]

You should have regrets.

[Nick Kenan]

And I kind of want to put wood paneling on my L405 just to pay tribute to it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Next question from SEBH9. Hello, Doug. Are there any, any more ideas in the pipeline for concept car reviews? And if so, can we get small spoilers? Maybe the Cadillac El Mirage? I did actually. So I reviewed a concept car six months ago in Detroit. It was a Cadillac Voyage, the 80s concept car. So I reviewed this Cadillac Voyage up in Detroit and I learned something on this shoot, which is concept cars, though they look like cars, they are not cars. They are display pieces. And I've always known this. But this really drove it home when the guy was like, listen, he's like, we can only drive around The GM campus. We can't go on the street and we can't go more than 12 miles an hour and you really don't want to take any bumps. So if you get to a bump you got to go really, really, really, really slow. And one time I got up to a bump and I went really, really slow and he said that was too fast. And so concept cars are rather difficult vehicles to review. However. This is a spoiler. Last week at the Peterson Museum I reviewed a movie car which honestly is basically a concept car. Pull up the Jaguar that I reviewed. Do you know what it is?

[Filippo]

I don't know what it's called now.

[Doug DeMuro]

XKR from Die Another Day.

[Nick Kenan]

Love this car.

[Doug DeMuro]

This was one of my all time favorite movie cars.

[Nick Kenan]

I've got this diecast somewhere and there

[Doug DeMuro]

it is right there. That's literally the car. Peterson Museum.

[Nick Kenan]

It's like your grandpappy's Jag.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yep.

[Nick Kenan]

Except the gun.

[Doug DeMuro]

Here's an. It has a gun. It's also one other main difference from your grandpappy's Jag. It's on a Ford Explorer chassis and it has four wheel drive.

[Nick Kenan]

Really?

[Doug DeMuro]

And a Windsor 3 video too.

[Nick Kenan]

Wow. That went through a lot of effort.

[Doug DeMuro]

Anyway, the video's coming and it's going to be quite a video, let me just tell you.

[Filippo]

You reviewed a couple other other things.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but this was the highlight how cool they made eight and a couple of them were on explore chassis including this one. And it's quite something.

[Nick Kenan]

That is way more than I expected

[Doug DeMuro]

driving this around la.

[Nick Kenan]

I assume this was just a body cat on a Jag.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, it's. It's real. Cuz it had to like slide around and like really do stuff. I guess I. I guess in order to modify it to get the speeds they wanted or the capabilities they wanted, it had to. I think four wheel drive was essential because if you've ever driven on ice, rear wheeel drive is like very difficult to control anyway and so once they

[Nick Kenan]

were doing in person or I mean like it looks really normal, way you

[Doug DeMuro]

can tell the rear offset is wrong, the rear wheel is, is. Is out further than it should. But the other way you can tell is the moment you start goes, you know, you know this car, it goes like this. So I drove around LA, no exhaust, no muffler, with a big old Ford V8 and medium sized Ford V8. I was anxious about the police so I didn't drive it for long. But it was an unbelievable experience. Also when they gave me the keys, which was a set of house keys they said, it's only got a three gallon gallon tank, so don't go far. And I said, all right. And then I started it and it made that noise. And I was thinking, well, that was about a half a gallon right there.

[Filippo]

Were you worried the police would have concerns about the gun on the back?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, we were concerned about the gun, but. But I was especially concerned about the exhaust note attracting attention.

[Filippo]

To the gun?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, to the gun. People are like, what is that? Oh, it's a car driving around with a gun. Yeah, we have some problems.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

But I got it right back to the museum.

[Filippo]

Shout out to the Peterson.

[Doug DeMuro]

Unbelievable experience. Anyway, I always wanted this movie car, and I don't anymore.

[Nick Kenan]

Understandable.

[Doug DeMuro]

Every time I'm around a concept car or movie car that I've always wanted, I come away thinking, I don't want to even see this.

[Nick Kenan]

What about The Jurassic Park ML320?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Nick Kenan]

You were there, right?

[Doug DeMuro]

I was there. But I wonder if it.

[Nick Kenan]

We wanted that.

[Doug DeMuro]

I wonder if it would drive. You know what I mean? What. What motor does that have? What other stuff did they do to that?

[Nick Kenan]

It certainly had some visibility impairment.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is our favorite movie car.

[Filippo]

No, I'm familiar.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is Jurassic Park 2, which actually is filmed partially set partially in San Diego. The T. Rex gets loose here in San Diego and kills all sorts of stuff.

[Filippo]

We're pretty close to the zoo. Was it at the zoo?

[Doug DeMuro]

No, the T. Rex. What happened was they were bringing the dinosaur into the port of San Diego. You've never seen the movie?

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's one of the great scenes. You remember this? No, the dinosaur, they lose contact with the ship. What happened? Where's the. They're not the dinosaurs on the ship. They've got the T. Rex. He's sedated inside the ship. They're like, oh, the ship, it's coming, it's coming. They see it on the radar screen, and then they look up and the ship is coming full speed into the port because it didn't slow down because the T. Rex ate everybody on board. And then the ship crashes into the port, and then the T. Rex gets loose and starts terrorizing San Diego. And the ML320 by then was no longer part of the movie, but it was a great couple scenes that it was in.

[Nick Kenan]

Oh, I'm going to rewatch that.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's good. It's a good film. Next question from Foy Runa. Dear Doug, are there any car youtubers? This is for all of us, especially you car youtubers that you haven't met, but Would like to meet. I would love to be a fly on the wall for a Doug Demiro and Scotty Kilmer conversation.

[Nick Kenan]

Same.

[Doug DeMuro]

I've got no interest in me in Scotty Kilmer, obviously. My number one that I would like to meet is Whistling Y. Who do you want to meet?

[Nick Kenan]

I want to have a competition between me, Rich Rebuilds and Scott. Sam crack on who can do the most half assed job at repairing a broken car.

[Doug DeMuro]

You. And. And Rich rebuilds and Sam crack.

[Filippo]

But they're like good at this.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but like in a joking way. Rich Rebuilds is the all time greatest automotive YouTuber. I'm just saying.

[Nick Kenan]

Agreed.

[Doug DeMuro]

You agree, right? Yeah, it's.

[Nick Kenan]

He just did an Audi S8 that I just like. I wanted to slow down time and savor in it, you know.

[Doug DeMuro]

There is absolutely the funniest person in the entire history.

[Nick Kenan]

So good.

[Doug DeMuro]

So good.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wish I could be on that level. But I have to provide helpful advice. Sean tells me I can't say things like that. Not that I'm anywhere near as funny as Rich Rebuilds the greatest automotive YouTuber. So that's what you want to do? Yeah, I think that would be great. I think it would be cool if you all started with roughly the same car and the same tools and whatever and you were given like six hours and you had. Whatever comes out of it is what comes out of it.

[Nick Kenan]

It would be like Kartrak. Only the first person to escape Sam's farm wins. And no one would win. It would be a never ending project and we would all just live on Sam's property.

[Doug DeMuro]

The rest of the world, Sam would kill them all and eat them.

[Nick Kenan]

But we would have the most shameless product integrations known to mankind. Just shove it full of ass.

[Doug DeMuro]

Is that what Sam? Sam does?

[Nick Kenan]

Sam. I admire Sam greatly, but let's just say TEMU has approached both of us for some heavy promo content. And Sam and I are the only two people in automotive YouTube saying yes, me, because I got nothing to lose. Sam, I'm not sure why, because he's.

[Doug DeMuro]

He's gotta be. He's probably gotta pay for all this stuff. I want to talk about Filippo and his car youtubers.

[Filippo]

I got nothing for you.

[Doug DeMuro]

Come on. There's nobody I watch.

[Filippo]

Not that much. Car YouTube.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm sorry, everybody. I have introduced you to so many wonderful people in our business over the years. They're delightful. You got nobody.

[Filippo]

I mean, I've met a lot of delightful people. You did have dinner with the folks from Throttle House and didn't invite Me still angry about that?

[Doug DeMuro]

No. I had dinner with the straight pipes.

[Filippo]

Both happened.

[Doug DeMuro]

I had the folks in the throttle house.

[Filippo]

Right. Throttle house also came to the office. So I have met. Met them.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay.

[Filippo]

I don't care.

[Doug DeMuro]

I like. They're.

[Nick Kenan]

They're great people.

[Doug DeMuro]

Care to meet these wonderful people. They're delightful people.

[Filippo]

So from a friendship perspective, I care. Here's a question from a celebrity perspective, I don't care.

[Doug DeMuro]

A couple days ago, the like the throttle house guys call me James. They only speak to me through James. Tom Thomas doesn't.

[Filippo]

Thomas and I. Thomas, that is the smartest thing you've ever done.

[Nick Kenan]

You need an intermediary.

[Filippo]

So jealous.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is our intermediary.

[Filippo]

I'm so jealous of Thomas.

[Doug DeMuro]

He's like our differential.

[Nick Kenan]

So we need an office, James.

[Filippo]

We do need an office.

[Doug DeMuro]

James. James texts me, by the way. James only. Here's another weird thing. James only speaks to me through voice texts.

[Filippo]

Oh.

[Nick Kenan]

Oh, that's the worst. Anyone doing that, please stop. We're all begging you. Psa.

[Doug DeMuro]

So he texts me and he says, hey, we're doing a video. I don't know, I'm maybe blowing this. They probably shouldn't talk about this first,

[Filippo]

but I think I probably just should have talked about this.

[Doug DeMuro]

He says, we're doing a video on the best car at each. The best two car garage at each price point. And we've asked other car YouTubers to give their responses at various price points. And we want to ask you to do the highest price point, the million dollar price point. You have to pick a two car garage. And I said, well, does it have to be a daily driver? He said, whatever you can think of. And so I decided that I wanted to include a daily driver because he said whatever you can dream. And in my dreams, my family's still there. So I did an over trail and a countach. But I'm curious what you think for a million bucks your dream two car garage be

[Nick Kenan]

Bentley Dominator, which is what?

[Filippo]

What price point are we putting on?

[Nick Kenan]

250.

[Doug DeMuro]

The problem is. And they specifically said this. But the problem is.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah. The extant world.

[Doug DeMuro]

They. They said that you have to have. The price point has to be verifiable.

[Nick Kenan]

Okay, that makes it trickier.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. So I thought going the dominator route.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah. LMO2 for 400. And then I got 600 left to play with. And I would get the nicest Diablo I could buy with six.

[Filippo]

Probably an se Driving your children around in Nick.

[Doug DeMuro]

The LMO too.

[Nick Kenan]

The Lamu.

[Filippo]

That's fair.

[Doug DeMuro]

Not frequently Though this is going to be a frequently broken down garage.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick Kenan]

Two Lambos.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. Thank you, Nick, for that. I appreciate it. I'm not even going to ask.

[Filippo]

Thank you for not appreciate it.

[Nick Kenan]

The best gift you ever gave us meeting automotive youtubers is you will occasionally invite them over and then invite all of your friends over and then ask them horribly uncomfortable, deeply personal questions. Questions like confronting Hoofy about his marriages in front of his fiance at the time, which was one of the best dinners ever. And I don't think he's ever forgiven you for that.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know what? They got married. I think in part thanks to me.

[Filippo]

Do you or despite you? I don't know.

[Doug DeMuro]

Definitely despite for pushing them in that direction. And is that your recollection of that?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick Kenan]

That's not what happened. I remember Hoovy leaving like. Like just bolting for the door.

[Filippo]

No shout out to Huvin and April, who we love.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was great. And yeah, there have been some interesting ones over the years. Next question from Cavalieri. Dear Doug, please tell us what do you think people are using household style outlets for in cars? Blenders? Hair dryers? No, we use it for charging laptops.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Pretty much it.

[Doug DeMuro]

If you're on a long road trip, like I have one worked. And so you tether your phone and you plug in your laptop and you can get stuff done while you're. While you're a passenger. It's obviously very useful.

[Filippo]

You can get converters from the like cigarette style outlet. But it's really nice if you don't need that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And you just plug it in. And you also are pulling more power than the cigarette adapter does.

[Nick Kenan]

Right.

[Filippo]

For anything real.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. It's amazing.

[Filippo]

It's handy. There's a reason that, that every minivan company has put in vacuum. Sometimes you want to just vacuum about your car life.

[Doug DeMuro]

Life's easier. The household outlets, there are so many benefits. Camera equipment is another one. Like my camera equipment is not necessarily you plug into. Able to usbs. I have the. The brick that plugs into an outlet. Boom. Just plugging in while I'm driving to a shoe. It's very useful.

[Filippo]

Also sometimes, probably a blender hair dryer requires too much power, I suspect.

[Doug DeMuro]

But sometimes you. You plug in a blend. You ever. You ever blend in while you drive?

[Filippo]

No, no, not while you drive. You got to be Unlike the Fiat 500L, you can't normally make espresso in your car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right. He has never had a car with a power.

[Nick Kenan]

Of course not. Of course not. Neither have I. I even had one with USB C. You were looking down upon that earlier. But let me tell you what. That's a badge of pride in my household.

[Filippo]

Does this sequoia have a power outlet?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, in the trunk.

[Filippo]

Nice.

[Doug DeMuro]

I prefer the power outlets be in the passenger area. My E class station wagon has a US power outlet. Yes. It's only a two prong, but it does.

[Filippo]

That's okay. That's to be grounded.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, that you can't plug in the laptop though.

[Filippo]

Depends on which adapter you have. It's okay, we'll talk about.

[Doug DeMuro]

I never thought about doing an adapter.

[Filippo]

We'll talk about it separately. It's all good. But.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, the E class in the second row has a two prong.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, it's really nice. It's really nice.

[Filippo]

I'm not at that level of fancy. Our three row station wagons don't have that.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah, don't need them.

[Filippo]

Well, it'd be nice, actually.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, by the way, I think my E class station wagon is faster than yours.

[Filippo]

That is something we can test.

[Nick Kenan]

Go to Barona.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, let's see. Barona's too short. Well, actually, you know, Barona would probably be the one for me, cuz you'll. You won't get a good launch.

[Filippo]

Right. Also manual. That, that will hurt his time.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, I think. Yeah, let's keep.

[Nick Kenan]

Well, I don't think there's a quarter mile anywhere nearby.

[Doug DeMuro]

E55, 0 to 60 wagon, 4.4 to 4.5 seconds.

[Filippo]

You got to be in the same ballpark.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. 20, 23. E450 wagon, 0 to 60, 4.4 seconds.

[Nick Kenan]

Yeah, I can add a lot of power to mine really easily.

[Doug DeMuro]

And he's a stick. And it's him. Undoubtedly. Mine's faster.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

So AMG yourself.

[Nick Kenan]

Oh,

[Doug DeMuro]

it's hard to.

[Filippo]

All right.

[Doug DeMuro]

To be faster. Can I make a request?

[Filippo]

Yeah, we'll just be done.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, we got two more questions. I got more time today.

[Filippo]

We got two more time.

[Doug DeMuro]

I, I. It's tons of time.

[Nick Kenan]

Longest pot ever from just Josh and.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, Doug, what's with that empty spot in your garage on the wall of Colorado place?

[Filippo]

Don't tell them. They go figure it out, folks. They can figure it out.

[Doug DeMuro]

My entire life has been devoted to finding a Colorado denim license plate from every county. Pull up a picture of a Colorado. You have to. Because what if they. What if they find it right here? Filippo, this could be the moment. I'm trying to find one from every county. My entire life. I grew up as a boy in Colorado. This was on the road, all the cars. Any one of these, click on that one. And I want to find one for every county. And I'm missing two counties. I've been searching. I swear to God, I've been for 20 years. I've been looking for one of these lights. But I'm missing two counties. Rio Blanco, which starts with Y1V. Rio Blanco's way up there in the northwest. That one there. And Mineral, which is down here. Creed. And 20 years. I would sell. Nick, to finish this run.

[Filippo]

I'm surprised you're stopping there.

[Doug DeMuro]

You try to sell you two.

[Filippo]

I think you would consider it having.

[Nick Kenan]

Having had the displeasure of liquidating some of your previous holdings. I can tell you people that collect license plates are a very special breed. And I think there's only room in your life for one of them, and that is you. And therefore, I want nothing to do with the rest of the community.

[Doug DeMuro]

Nick. I'll give anybody who can turn up for me a Mineral denim or a Rio Blanco denim. I'll give you a thousand dollars each.

[Filippo]

That includes you, plus the value of the plate.

[Doug DeMuro]

Now, I want to tell you something. Rio Blanco.

[Nick Kenan]

I got stuff that.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's 500 of them, and they're pairs. So there's a thousand plates. There's a ton out there. This could be a way for you to make some extra cash.

[Filippo]

How many collectors have them all?

[Doug DeMuro]

There's only one or two guys.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

Who have a full set. And Mineral is a story. It's, like, very difficult. So mineral's gonna be hard. I don't think you'll find that one. But Rio Blanco's findable. Nick, why you go to Mercury? There's an old lady we know of who has one, and she's unwilling. She's not ready to let them go yet.

[Filippo]

There's a thousand of them.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's a thousand of them.

[Filippo]

There's gonna be many of them.

[Doug DeMuro]

The last year they were made was 12-31-99 was when they. So it's been 25 years.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And you know, people didn't save this kind of stuff.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

They don't realize how special it is.

[Filippo]

It's in somebody's barn.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. The mineral, maybe not. That's a different situation. But the Rio Blanco is. I'm offered 1,000 bucks to Filipo. This is a good opportunity.

[Filippo]

Plus the value of the plate. I assume that they're valuable.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. So $1,006. Filippo, this could be a chance for you to. Really. And you could say I did something. If you I'll tell you this. If you go to Meeker.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Is it a nice town?

[Doug DeMuro]

Meeker, It's a sort of a high, high, high plains town. It's really a mountain community in a sense, but it's not in the mountains.

[Filippo]

Oh, this looks beautiful.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, that's. Yeah, it's fine. It's nice. Meeker's nice. And. And if you go there, I'll pay your airfare.

[Nick Kenan]

It's fine. Newtown slogan. It's fine.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't know what this is. I see a B7 Audi, license plate. Yeah, nice B7 there. FJ40. Filippo, there's great cars in Meeker.

[Nick Kenan]

By Filipo standards, those are pretty decent.

[Filippo]

This is like a beautiful town.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a beautiful town. Yeah. So look, I'll pay your airfare and your travel to go to Meeker and find one.

[Nick Kenan]

You know, every once in a while we just see people with like the old California plates still roll rocking and you know, like, you could probably just go there with a Phillips head screwdriver, drive around enough.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, we. There's only like. There's like two or three pairs still on the road.

[Filippo]

We know that Doug has considered find some jobs.

[Doug DeMuro]

I carfaxed them at all at one point. You. They all had. They started Y1V like 0100 and I Carfax through 0500 one day.

[Nick Kenan]

Man, miss having that unlimited carfax.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was a great day.

[Filippo]

It was great.

[Nick Kenan]

It was great.

[Doug DeMuro]

Filippo, if I'll pay your airfare and your travel. To me, the thousand bucks no longer applies. But I'll pay your airfare and travel

[Filippo]

pretty rashan little, little trip.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, this is a great. This is a great video.

[Nick Kenan]

The next key video.

[Filippo]

It's such a niche audience.

[Doug DeMuro]

My buddy who finished his run with a mineral, which is the hardest by far, he found the person and offered him 500 bucks. And they were like, are you like a crazy person? Are you a scammer? And he was like, no, I will give you 500 bucks. I will meet you in. In the town. And. And he drove six hours with 500 bucks. And he gave him the 500 bucks and he got his play. But then they didn't have two.

[Nick Kenan]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

There you go. That's the story of the empty holes. Do you have anything to add to that?

[Filippo]

Nothing that will make it more interesting.

[Doug DeMuro]

Will you send Filippo to Meer to get me? Sean's going to. This is going to work.

[Nick Kenan]

That would actually be an interesting documentary on license plate collectors.

[Doug DeMuro]

Don't think it would. I don't think there's much interesting there.

[Filippo]

The collectors are an in mer. They only go there to buy plates.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want to be really clear. Just in general, my interest in license plates. I want to be clear is limited to the following thing. Colorado license license plates from 1992 to 1999 and nothing else. And all right. This has gone on far too long.

[Nick Kenan]

Agreed.

[Doug DeMuro]

Nick, Absolute pleasure. Thank you for coming.

[Nick Kenan]

Thanks for having me.

[Doug DeMuro]

Loved everything about it. Felipe, you want to promo anything while we finish up?

[Filippo]

Carsandbeds.com the best place Ryan's already standing.

[Nick Kenan]

He's right.

[Filippo]

Thank you all for watching. Be on the lookout for a lot more information about Velocity invitational where we'll have 15 incredible cars there. Really cool event at Sonoma raceways with our first ever, like, live. Live auction situation. I'm excited. Okay, goodbye. I'm excited.

[Doug DeMuro]

You can't reason with the sun.

[Filippo]

Trust us. We've tried. This summer, it's time to put that angry ball of fire on mute. Columbia's omnishade technology is engineered to protect you from the sun's harsh rays that can burn and damage your skin. The sun is relentless, but so is our gear. Level up your [e-mail] to spend more time outside and less time slathering on aloe lotion.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're welcome, Columbia.

[Filippo]

Engineered for whatever.