New Camaro Coming! Porsche Teases New 911! Nick Bought a Convertible Range Rover!

Summary

THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends

Episode: New Camaro Coming! Porsche Teases New 911! Nick Bought a Convertible Range Rover!

Date: April 10, 2026
Hosts: Kenan (A), Filippo (C), Nick (B, filling in for Doug)

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Episode Overview

This lively episode dives into the latest breaking automotive news, highlighting rumors of a new Camaro, Cadillac, and Buick sedans, bold EV projects in China, the future of enthusiast vehicles, and the market’s quirkiest buys—like Nick's newly purchased convertible Range Rover. The hosts offer insightful, often hilariously irreverent takes on brand moves, enthusiast dreams, and the realities of car ownership today, rounding out with an engaging Q&A and car market discussion.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. GM’s Surprise: New Camaro, CT5, and a Buick Sedan (01:15–03:51)

• Rumor Mill: Strong supplier rumor says a new Camaro, Cadillac CT5, and Buick sedan will enter production by September 2027. Remarkably, there are no leaks yet.
• Analysis:
  • Filippo (C): Observes excitement for new ICE (internal combustion engine), RWD models. Notes Cadillac’s Celestiq shows there may not be a big market for expensive luxury sedans.
  • Kenan (A): Likes the Buick concept’s retro-futurist looks (“There’s kind of a hint of Ferrari Daytona up front.” 01:55), but doubts it’ll reach production as styled.
  • Nick (B): Jokes about reviving the Buick-Tiger Woods marketing tie-in for stability control, riffing on “We don’t roll over, comma, anymore.” (03:05).
• Notable Quote:
  • C: “It’s exciting that there’ll be three new cars. Cars, not SUVs. The Camaro certainly will be.” (03:37)

2. Land Rover’s Freelander Revival—But You Can’t Have It (05:15–07:54)

• News: The Freelander name returns as an EV, made in China (with Chery, not Geely as initially misstated), unlikely for the U.S. due to tariffs.
• Size Matters: New Freelander will be over 200 inches long—bigger than new Range Rovers.
• Brand Play: The Freelander moniker is being used for a new, standalone brand in China, not as a direct Land Rover.
• Design Note: 200 British designers worked on it—a dubious badge of honor.
• Notable Quote:
  • B: “Recycling a nameplate that honestly wasn’t that great...has got some history and some credibility.” (06:54)

3. Infiniti’s Escalade V Rival & Manual Sports Sedan Hopes (07:53–11:10)

• Ambitions: Infiniti plotting a 700 HP QX80/Armada-based model and is even considering a new manual sports sedan, echoing the old G37’s glory.
• Skepticism:
  • Kenan & Filippo doubt the aged 5.6L V8 will match Cadillac’s appeal or save the brand.
  • Nick jokes: “It’s the takeover mom that needs to settle down now, can’t afford the Escalade V but still wants to look edgy.” (11:24)
• Notable Quote:
  • B: “They’re saying, no, we’re going to do an Escalade V competitor. They also said we want to do a manual sports sedan, which brings me back to like the G37 days. Maybe Infiniti’s not given up.” (08:39)

4. Hyundai Boulder—American-Built, American-Marketed Body-on-Frame SUV (13:01–17:58)

• Concept Up-Close: New York Auto Show reveal; boxy, off-road focused; touted as “made for America.”
• Details: Built on a new body-on-frame platform, targeting the midsize pickup market.
• Press Release Fun:
  • C: “This is a design concept built on American values and American life... American purity and purpose.” (13:56)
• Host Banter: Comparisons to the Bronco, Rezvani Tank, and classic concept cars. General excitement about this bold move.
• Notable Quote:
  • B: “Concept cars and big swings are coming back. ... I do worry these are all like AI hallucinations.” (16:08)

5. Jaguar Goes All-In On EVs, Despite Market Worries (18:25–24:56)

• Jaguar’s Commitment: Company reaffirms it’s sticking to an EV-only future, even as others hedge or revert to ICE models.
• Marketing Missteps:
  • “We lost control of the narrative quickly.” (19:40, quoting Jaguar exec)
  • Regrets about 2020s marketing, failed timing, and confessed confusion about choosing pink as a launch color.
• Conspiracy? Nick posits Jaguar is deliberately courting acquisition by a large Chinese automaker by making attention-grabbing but risky moves.
• Notable Quote:
  • B: “They’re intentionally doing this to get attention because they want someone in China to buy their intellectual property.” (22:22)

6. Porsche Teases New 911—What’s Under the Cover? (25:25–29:08)

• Speculation: Image tease has Porsche fans abuzz; hosts debate if it’s a manual Turbo, GT3 RS Cabrio, or something else.
• Filippo (C): Points to door handles resembling GT3 RS, but the Internet is rife with theories.
• Notable Quotes:
  • C: “A manual turbo would be quite something... first manual turbo since the 997.” (28:53)
  • B: “Whatever BS variant this is, no one’s going to drive it. They’re all going to take it to one Cars and Coffee.” (28:19)

7. Ford GT Track Record; Speed Cameras Spark Debate (30:22–34:39)

• **Ford GT Mark 4 Prototype laps Nurburgring in 6:15—fastest U.S. car, though not a true street car.
  • “It’s kind of a BS thing, but it’s still so cool... America’s back, baby.” (31:00; Nick)
• Average speed cameras roll out in Colorado:
  • Kenan decries them as “just a cash grab.” (33:01)
  • Nick offers a hilarious story of lighting up all four tires at a Scottsdale red light camera in an old Tahoe. (33:56)

8. Lewis Hamilton, Kim Kardashian, and the F40 (34:52–36:40)

• The coolest F1 driver: Hamilton takes Kim K. for a wild ride in an F40, burning donuts in Tokyo.
  • “He’s doing what Formula 1 drivers should be doing...out and doing insane stuff.” (35:45)
• Legacy: Kardashians get props for real car enthusiasm; F40s deserve to be enjoyed.

9. Car Stories: Nick’s Convertible Range Rover & More (36:43–41:58)

• Nick’s Purchase: He buys a Newport Convertible Engineering L405 Range Rover convertible at auction—only 30k miles.
  • “This is the most unhinged Range Rover I’ve ever seen.” (38:00)
  • Plans to road-trip it during Car Week, use it as a family beach cruiser.
  • “The design works as a convertible. As long as the top is down.” (39:09)
• Filippo’s Family Project: Updates on a family Mustang Fox Body convertible restoration in purple, inherited from his late father-in-law.
• Kenan’s Motorcycle First Ride: Rides his grandfather’s restored 1931 Indian Scout 101B; reflects on how using vintage machines deepens appreciation for old technology and family bonds.

10. Car Market Report Highlights (55:12–66:28)

• Cayenne GTS Manual Sells for $97,500: (56:17)
  • Kenan: “Another case of find another one.”
• GT350s, 997 911 Carreras on the Rise:
  • “These nice ones...somehow they’re back above $60,000, which is impressive.” (60:40)
• Representation Matters:
  • Kenan: “Take great pictures. Representation of the car matters so much at an auction.” (62:44)
• SL65 AMG, BBS LM Wheels, and More: Auction and sales stories about what’s hot and why.

11. Audience Q&A (66:34–82:03)

• Dream One-off Cars with Unlimited Budget:
  • Kenan: “Manual V12 Ferrari.” (67:24)
  • Nick: “Stick shift Aventador or new Reventón.” (68:06)
  • Filippo: “A better Fiat Multipla.”
• Learning to Drive Manual: Stories from all three hosts.
  • Nick: “She just gave me the keys and was like, ‘You want to learn manual? Go for it.’” (72:10)
• Best Cheap Daily Driver: Focus on overlooked cars with reliability (manual Ford Focus suggested), or going for the cheapest EV lease.
• Why Call it ‘Vey’ instead of ‘Ron’? “Ron is just a guy’s name; ‘VAY’ just feels right.” (77:02)
• Nick Ranks Range Rovers (78:07):
  • L405 > L322 > P38 > RRC > L460
  • “P38 is a better RRC in every way, just doesn’t look as old.”
  • Ongoing P38 woes, discusses possibly wrapping it yellow for cheap.
• Hosts banter about car collecting, sentimental projects, auction quirks, and Doug’s return next week.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Buick Concept Car:
  • B: “We don’t roll over, comma, anymore. That’s the new tagline.” (03:05)
• On Nick’s Range Rover Convertible:
  • B: “This is the most unhinged Range Rover I’ve ever seen.” (38:00)
• On Infiniti’s Escalade V Move:
  • B: “Takeover mom that now needs to settle down a little bit” (11:24)
• On British Design Teams:
  • C: “Every great car. 200 of them.” (07:28)
• On Speed Cameras:
  • A: “It’s just a cash grab really...that’s all that admits.” (33:01)
• On Lewis Hamilton:
  • A: “He’s doing what Formula 1 drivers should be doing, just going out and doing insane stuff.” (35:45)
• On Car Auctions:
  • A: “Representation of the car matters so much at an auction.” (62:44)
• On Jaguar’s PR:
  • A: “We lost control of the narrative quickly.” (19:40, quoting Jaguar exec)
• On Favorite Range Rover Generation:
  • B: “L405 is the best, especially in cabriolet format.” (78:39)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• GM’s upcoming Camaro/CT5/Buick & discussion: 01:15–03:51
• Freelander’s EV Return: 05:15–07:54
• Infiniti’s plans (Escalade V Rival): 07:53–11:10
• Hyundai Boulder concept: 13:01–17:58
• Jaguar’s EV direction: 18:25–24:56
• Porsche 911 tease: 25:25–29:08
• Ford GT Nürburgring record, Speed Cameras: 30:22–34:39
• Lewis Hamilton in F40: 34:52–36:40
• Nick’s Convertible Range Rover: 36:43–41:58
• Family Mustang story, Vintage motorcycle nostalgia: 44:09–54:05
• Market Report (Cayenne GTS, GT350, auction tips): 55:12–66:28
• Q&A (dream one-offs, car market picks, Range Rover rankings): 66:34–82:03

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Tone and Language

The hosts maintain a conversational, knowledgeable, irreverent tone, blending car expertise with playful jabs and inside jokes. Their camaraderie, colored opinions, and banter keep the discussion lively and approachable, especially for enthusiast listeners.

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For Listeners Who Missed Out

This episode is a must-listen for fans of enthusiast-market trends, new car rumors, and the trials (and comedy) of collecting rare or questionable vehicles. The crew’s blend of expertise, real-world perspectives, and humor, illustrated by Nick’s Range Rover shenanigans and Kenan’s vintage motorcycle adventure, makes for an engaging, informative hour of car talk.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[C]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[A]

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[B]

And participate in McDonald's while supplies last. Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[A]

I'm Kenan.

[C]

I'm Filippo.

[B]

I'm Nick, filling in for Doug, who is gallivanting over the east coast.

[C]

Yeah. Although he did leave that behind us, unfortunately.

[B]

Nice trade of hit.

[C]

All right, should we dive into the news?

[B]

We got a lot to cover.

[C]

Okay. This is a Buick concept car. I'm not making this up. That's truly what it is. But there's a reason it's the first story today, which is there is a rumor from a GM supplier and pretty verified rumor that the camaro, a new CT5 and a new Buick sedan are going to start production in September of 2027. Which is soon. No, that's really soon. For there to be three cars that we have not seen. We haven't seen leaks, really, of what the new Camaro will look like, of what the new CT5 will look like, of what a new Buick sedan could look like.

[A]

But if there's one thing we're certain of, it ain't going to look like this.

[C]

Yeah, this looks. How would you describe this, Ken?

[A]

I like it a lot, actually. The was the EB210, that sedan that they did when the one production. That's what it reminds me of, I actually think. And there's like, there's kind of a hint of Ferrari Daytona up front. I actually like the way it looks. But the reality of it is if they're smart, they're not going to do this because Cadillac is clearly proving there is no market for a luxury sedan that costs a fortune.

[B]

I've seen two celestiques in the wild with Celestique one in Scottsdale and one around here.

[A]

But wow, the one around here, that's without dealer tags.

[B]

They're like, actually, yeah, no, it was like somewhere east county. It was kind of strange, but that's

[A]

a bit of a strange.

[B]

Yeah. I think green lighting any sedan right now is a bit of a questionable move.

[C]

I agree. But Buick needs cars and my understanding is that they need to build more cars at that factory to make it make sense financially. And so adding a third model on

[B]

the same track, here's what I would do. Does that comeback Tour Buick Tiger Woods. They both rehabilitate their image at the same time.

[C]

He's going to crash it again.

[B]

Well, they'll do. They can use that to advertise their, like, stability control. It did work for Genesis Anti rollover.

[C]

Tiger woods crashing a Genesis GV80 surely

[B]

helped bring back Firestone tires on it. Like, you can just go all in, just own it. We don't roll over.

[A]

We don't roll over.

[C]

We don't roll over.

[B]

We don't roll over, comma anymore. That's the new tagline. That thing looks cool. It looks to me more like a concept car from the 90s. It does. You know what I mean? Like, it's so futuristic. It looks retro.

[A]

Even the background they chose is very 90s futuristic.

[C]

The. The last Buick sedan was the Regal, which was discontinued after 2020. So this would be a return to sedan for Buick, which currently sells a few SUVs. But all we know so far is that it's almost certainly an updated version of the Alpha platform, which is what the CT4, CT5 and some other GM products are on. There's a decent chance There'll be a V8 for some versions of the CT5 or the Camaro. GM invested heavily into V8 plant recently, and that's all we know. But it's exciting that there'll be three new cars. Cars, not SUVs. Cars. Cars. And the Camaro certainly will be.

[B]

The Camaro is the more interesting one. It's been dead since 2024 model year. So. Yeah, that's nice.

[C]

That's great.

[A]

How do you save Buick in the US though? I mean, their core market is not built. It's pretty dead.

[C]

The Buick Envision is one of the SUV's.

[B]

Every time I see one, I think, wow, there's a BYD going by. I mean, it just. It doesn't even look like it's meant for our market.

[C]

All the Buicks.

[B]

What, there's better a Little Buick suv.

[C]

That's the Invista.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Which is a car by the way. If you want a CD4 Cadillac or CD4V, you gotta. Gotta get your orders in this month.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Because the order books are closed. Closing. So end of an era. But CT5 will be replaced.

[A]

That's good. I hope they do a Blackwing version of it. Continue to do that because. And give it a manual just like the last one.

[C]

I, I am excited that they're like making truly three new generations or generations for three new models that are clearly internal combustion engine, rear wheel drive platform. That's cool.

[A]

It's very exciting that GM is doing this. I'm sure their execution on it will be poor as usual. But I am excited to see.

[C]

We love the CT5.

[A]

I do the CT5V. Blackwing is my favorite masterpiece modern car.

[C]

We love the Camaro.

[A]

The last one was great at the end. It was really good.

[C]

Z011 Ali.

[A]

Yeah. It's just the only one I've ever driven. That's just true. Just go straight to the top.

[C]

Go straight to the top.

[A]

But nonetheless it is exciting. We'll see what these cars end up looking like. Oh, Freeland. This must be.

[B]

This is the one I'm excited for. So you may remember the LR2 or even the Freelander from a long time ago in Land Rover's lineup. It was their compact, sort of sporty two door actually and a lot of variants and sort of a drop top one too. But it's coming back.

[C]

Yeah, there was.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Well it's like a kind of like my L405, which we'll get to later. You know, this is a little, little questionable of a roof. However, the Freelander's coming back. It's a joint venture with Geely. It's going to be made in China which means it's almost certainly not coming to the US Tariffs alone would make that unpopulable. But it's really cool. I like the design language. It reminds me a little bit of a shrunken defender. Like very boxy, very muscular. It's going to be EV and it's probably going to be sold in Europe and in other places too. But Start is a Chinese vehicle.

[C]

I should note it's actually with Cherry, not whichever company. Not Geely, but that's okay. It's a different Chinese automaker that's quite

[B]

large and successful too.

[C]

It was designed in England, but do you have any? How large? This is you.

[B]

You.

[C]

The Freelander was small. It was their smallest product. This is over 200 inches long, which is like Sequoia size, I guess. Like, that is L405.

[A]

But if you're making it for the Chinese market, I mean, they want longer cars generally so that it is longer

[C]

than an L4 or five Range Rover.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

It might be longer than a new Range Rover. Just. Who cares?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, it's a weird product.

[A]

It is an odd product. I guess it makes sense. I don't. I don't know.

[C]

Bringing back cool styling like the, the. The C, the D pillar is like at an angle like it was in the original Freelander. Two doors. It's cool.

[B]

Like, the Chinese manufacturers are trying hard for credibility. So, yeah, you're recycling a nameplate that honestly wasn't that great of a nameplate, but it was a nameplate that has got some history and some credibility. It feels Land Rover, but it doesn't say Land Rover anywhere. Technically, the Freelander is its own brand.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

So I think that's like, it's an interesting play for them to get some credibility as an off roader without actually using any of Land Rover outright.

[C]

I would like to note that their press releases tout that 200 designers worked on this in England because. Right.

[A]

Every great car. 200 of them.

[C]

It's a clear marker of success.

[B]

Well, if one is good, two is better. And 210.

[C]

200 times good.

[A]

Right. I think I heard Gordon Murray say something like that once. That is a. It's an interesting vehicle. I am glad to see, like, boxy SUVs like around that.

[C]

It's clear that they've electric, obviously, but that's still.

[A]

Yeah, still. All right. All right. Moving on to the next news story.

[C]

Not electric.

[B]

Yeah. Also on the ridiculous category, though, Infiniti wants to make an escalade V competitor. 700 horsepower. Hopefully not in purple. With purple. Those wheels. But we'll see with the wheels for sure. It's funny because Doug reviewed that Nissimo whatever, and it came out really. Thermodynamism questionable in terms of how it came out. But then the Escalade V looks really cool. So will Infiniti get this right? Is a big question mark. I think what's interesting is that Infinity is still out there. Like we've all basically, the fact that they exist, written them off and saying, why don't you just give up at this point? And they're saying, no, we're going to do an Escalade V competitor. They also said we want to do a manual sports sedan. Which brings me back to like the G37 days. So it's like maybe Infiniti's not given up, but they're going enthusiast.

[C]

I think they must. I think they've seen the demand on the QX80 and Armada, which is the Nissan version. Clearly they've seen demand for sporty one. They've made clear that there will be multiple performance variants. There's already the Armada Nismo, which is mostly cosmetic, but they've said in that interview that they're going to aim for 700 horsepower for a version of it. There may also be a 600 horsepower version that comes out sooner. Like they've seen the demand for the Escalade V, which is strong, and think, okay, we can capture some of that market.

[A]

Yeah, but that's a Cadillac and it's got a unbelievable V8 engine.

[C]

And it's like you don't like the 5.6 liter, which is what I assume they'll put in this because that's the only V8 they have.

[A]

Right? It's because the only V8 they have in a.

[C]

Forever.

[A]

Right, Exactly. I mean, that's been through how many different presidential terms that thing has existed.

[C]

What is that engine called?

[A]

I don't remember. I can't remember the engine code. But like, the Cadillac is attractive because it makes ungodly power. And the Escalade is always amazing. The Escalade is so nice. And this is.

[C]

So is this. Have you been in one? They're nice.

[A]

It is.

[C]

The US generation is truly nice.

[A]

Yeah, but how little they sell, you know.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

And I don't think this is gonna solve their problem necessarily.

[C]

I'm glad they're doing it. They clearly can't just go after reg people because they aren't buying their cars.

[B]

And Escalade v selling for 168 grand. So all Infiniti needs to do is undercut them by like 20, 30 grand. And you're going to get some people that are like, do we really need

[C]

the Cadillac power sells? It turns out.

[A]

Yeah, I'm skeptical here.

[C]

Manual sports sedan will be cool.

[A]

Of course it would be cool if people do have to buy it, but it would be cool. That's my fear, is that like, you can build. You know, if you build it, they will come. I'm not entirely sure if, like people are going to.

[B]

You have to assume. They just said, we've already developed the car. The cost of coming out with a new trim model is like fairly. It's a lot easier to R and D that than a net new vehicle. So let's just kind of iterate. Although the sports sedan is again a weird move.

[A]

That's a weird because the trans like the development cost of that.

[C]

No, but they can use it from the Nissan Z. So you can picture a Nissan z which has 400 horsepower ish manual transmission. Just add some doors, put that powertrain, use that in the development of a sedan, I guess. Nissan and Infiniti are definitely going for what. How can they get the most new product variants out affordably, but in a way that gets news. And a 700 horsepower SUV does that. A manual sports sedan does that for enthusiasts and they're both easy to develop for them. Given what they have now, will they be good?

[A]

Well, will that save them? I'm not confident about it.

[C]

They just need products.

[B]

And Nissan is also way more willing to work with you on your financial terms that they are and give you some really great loans that last your lifetime.

[A]

You know what this is? This is the birthday new takeover vehicles we're seeing.

[B]

This is more like the, the, the takeover mom that now needs to settle down a little bit, you know, and like she's like, can't afford the Escalade V. But I still want people to know I'm edgy. I think lucid had had that mom in their, their personographic studies. It was like the, the rugged mom or whatever. The callback. Yeah.

[C]

Well done.

[B]

I think about that a lot.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

You're the only one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, Very interesting.

[C]

All right. Keep moving forward.

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[A]

Oh, a boxy suv.

[C]

Yeah, this is the Hyundai Boulder.

[A]

That looks really cool.

[C]

You know, Hyundai has obviously the Tucson and the Santa Fe and it's only reasonable that they just move north a little bit.

[A]

Nice. Thank you.

[B]

Nice to see you.

[C]

It's a boxy off road Focus SUV concept that, that they had at the New York Auto Show. We, we already know that Hyundai was going to move a little bit that direction. Right. They want to go after the American off road segment, the American truck segment. The all inclination is that their first off road product will actually be a pickup truck. Not really a SUV thing. That there's clear steps that they've been taking towards the pickup truck to replace the Santa Cruz, which is not really a pickup truck. I mean it is, I mean but it is, it's not a Tusan. Uh, but it's exciting that they're going that direction. Um, and clearly they're going after a specific market because here is a line from their press release that is truly incredible.

[B]

I love deep cuts from Filippo and press releases.

[C]

This is a design concept built on American values and American life. Tailor made for those looking to blaze new trails, American purity and purpose. Uh, and they make a big deal that it's designed in America, developed for America. It will be built in America, forged with Hyundai produced US Steel.

[A]

Did they put like a like screaming eagle sound here?

[C]

I have to imagine the entire grill would be able to be an American red white. They just haven't finished development yet.

[B]

Maybe that's a loophole with tariffs. They'll have. If you have like a screaming chicken on the hood, you're good.

[C]

It'll be built in America as a lot of Hyundai products are. It'll be their first body on frame platform.

[A]

I was going to ask body on frame sort of.

[C]

You may recall the Kia Borrego. Yes, I believe was body on frame

[B]

for like one year.

[C]

Sold briefly in the US but it was sold longer outside. So they did have a truck. But this will be their first like true off roader, large tires.

[B]

What are you, what are you taking? Put money aside. That or a Bronco. Which one, which one would you rather be driving and seen in?

[C]

I think it depends on what it actually looks like ultimately. Right. We're a ways away.

[B]

Assuming that it's a watered down version of this.

[C]

I'm into the Bronco. Generally a Bronco Sasquatch pack is cool. There's going to be a hybrid Bronco, by the way. We're not talking about that today. I, I, that story got killed. There will be a hybrid.

[B]

Producer Sean killed it.

[A]

Still managed to work it in.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Conspiracy.

[C]

And I do love hybrids, hence my love for the Wrangler 4X.

[A]

Yeah, I think I'd still rather be seen in a Bronco ultimately. But if the price point is right and they do build this, I, I, I think it's commendable. This is what the market wants.

[C]

It will be a mid, the first one to come out will be a midsize pickup truck, which is also the, the Ranger and the Colorado and the sell in okay numbers. But there's clearly a demand for that kind of pickup truck and it's a good direction for Hyundai.

[B]

If you cover the front grille, it reminds me of the Rezvani tank a little bit.

[A]

I do see it. Especially this rear.

[B]

Yeah, the rear haunch thing.

[C]

Yeah, it's cool. By the way, if you want to see, Doug a few months ago did a like deep dive on a model that he had, a static Hyundai. Sean Crater, he did something with a Hyundai Crater. He did like a full deep dive. And that was also kind of like a tease of this, like a futuristic off roader. Some influence here from that concept too.

[B]

I am pumped that the idea of like concept cars and big swings are coming back. Like for a while we got so iterative and cautious and safe and everyone was just like, here's my bland ev. And now all of a sudden we're getting body on frame from Hyundai and we're getting whatever that Buick thing was and Escalade V competitors. I do worry that these are all like AI hallucinations. They may product planners just like, hey, tell me what I should make. And then they're like, okay, now make a rendering and.

[A]

Well, yeah, to be honest, I don't think this is a picture of a model.

[C]

It doesn't exist. No, there was one at the New York Auto Show.

[A]

There was.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So it actually, but with 3D printing, I, I imagine you can make a one off a little easier as long as you don't have to look inside and it doesn't have to run. But still it's exciting. Like we're getting back to like a. A heyday of not quite coach building but like at least we're trying again.

[C]

I can you just google the Hyundai Boulder at the New York Auto Show. It looks cooler in person. Maybe it looks like less insane in person is really what I mean.

[A]

It sure you can know where I am from.

[B]

Don't let Google know where we are.

[A]

Don't worry. They can't find us in the bunker.

[C]

Any of these pictures that are better lit like it's like a cool looking.

[B]

Yeah I agree.

[C]

Four door thing that it looks realistic. Ish too.

[A]

Is there a rear door? Yeah, I guess there is.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

It's like an RSA kind of.

[B]

Yeah those are.

[C]

Yeah that's or equivalent I guess.

[A]

Oh the whole fender moves.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The rear end was designed by Naki San of RWB fame.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That name might be wrong. Much like my whole Cherry Geely incident earlier but you know what I mean.

[C]

It's cool though.

[A]

King of accurate adjacency. Yes. But yeah that's what you guys are here for.

[B]

You're supposed to have the facts and we do. And I'm just here.

[A]

I think that does look cool. I really hope they build this. I think. I think this. I mean if it looks anything like that I think it could do well.

[C]

It's a big bet for them but given how off road focused the new Telluride looks it's not actually like given how brawny it looks. This is the right direction.

[A]

Yep. Wish all the manufacturers would be doing this. I think they're listening and everybody is. Not everybody still doesn't.

[C]

The the passport trail sport is selling well.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Honda's. Are you listening? This is all just a message straight to Honda. This is the signal, Jerry. This is the signal.

[C]

They're not.

[B]

They're listening and that's why they put a recovery hook on it.

[C]

All right.

[B]

Rugged. We hear you. Got it.

[C]

All of their PR was the passport trails were hanging from the recovery hook. Truly. All right.

[A]

Jaguar. So Jaguar, you know recently we have seen a lot of manufacturers start to question the move going to EV and start to roll out more gasoline models. We' with Porsche and a whole bunch of others and Jaguar recently said that they. Nope. They have decided even after their little break to go skiing in Switzerland and take some time off to find themselves. They're going to stick with EVs only.

[C]

I don't think they have a choice.

[A]

I don't think they do either. But it was interesting read through this entire interview with their Director of marketing or managing director. And he said that they're looking back for the last five or six years, the Jaguar business model wasn't working, that it wasn't profitable, wasn't growing and the customer base was aging. So their solution was to just stop making products altogether.

[C]

It's a better solution.

[A]

Is it? Yeah, I don't think so. I think they should have. Maybe they should have phased everything out and done this. But like, I don't know. But he made it. It was interesting to read through. In addition to saying they're definitely going to stick with EV only, it's that like there were clear regrets about the marketing campaign. They chose to announce all this. They were happy that everybody was talking about Jaguar. But they, they said, quote, we lost control of the narrative quickly. It's like, boy, did you, yeah, maybe you should have, I don't know, product, like just tested it with any audience and you would know what was going to happen.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then they were. He was even asked like, was the color pink the right color chosen for the consequences? You know, we were going to Miami, so we figured pink, why not? That was basically the answer he gave my fear with. So like, I am not against them going like building some radical, taking in a different direction. I think that it's still dest for failure if they're going to do EV only.

[C]

But you're the person that's most against change that I know.

[A]

I know. But like the market clearly agrees with me here. Like a lot of manufacturers, for the

[C]

record, I think the issue that they have is they had very aging product lines that they killed. They put all their effort into developing this. They can't go back to ice realistically. Internal combustion engine, that is not immigration cosmic enforcement. They have no choice but to move forward with this. Are you worried though or do you think that they're worried about this press image where they have their, their new concept car which is very upright and tall and constrained next to XJ6, that's some, some old Jaguar which is beautiful and stately. Do you think they should have done that?

[A]

No, I think actually, I actually think the looks comparison is not that crazy, to be honest. It's like both, they both have very high roofs, both very long.

[C]

The new one has a higher roof only because the sides are from windshield back.

[A]

Like, I mean that it looks related. I see what they're doing.

[C]

Cars are often similar looking.

[B]

Yeah, I do think it looks better in camouflage. Like that was a good choice.

[A]

That is cooler looking.

[B]

Yes, it helps.

[A]

I don't Know, I'm just so nervous about. I was thinking about Jaguar recently. It's like I.

[C]

You were the only one.

[A]

I really want them to succeed. Like, I want to see them do it. I was thinking about brands that are undervalued because last week I talked with Ryan and you about like, I think Aston Martin, like, I don't understand why someone. Their cars are undervalued compared to other cars. Like the Vanquish I'm staring at right now and versus the 575. It's like I. I think I might prefer to have the Aston. It sounds better and I think that it's like, it does the GT thing better. The both transmissions stink on both cars.

[C]

So like tenon hot take.

[B]

Yeah. Especially Mr. Ferrari.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I do love the 575, but I'd rather have a 550 than both of them.

[B]

And I agree. The Vanquish is. It's special, it's beautiful.

[A]

Yeah. It doesn't worth less than half of the 575. Just doesn't make sense to me. But my point is like, I really want Jaguar to figure this out. It's like I think they have real concerns about what the direction they're going in, but they're going to do it anyway.

[C]

What they were doing was not working. There was no iterative version that was going to suddenly start working.

[A]

Yeah. I think they could have done different things to be more. I don't think this is going to work very well in their favorite person.

[C]

I have my doubts.

[B]

Do you want to know my hot take conspiracy theory here, please?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

They're out of money.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

They're intentionally doing this to get attention because they want someone in China to buy their intellectual property.

[C]

Keep in mind.

[B]

So the Chinese want to build EVs and they want credible brands, much like my Freelander example. And so they're just being like, please someone take this over. We don't know what we're doing. We're open to offers, but we're not going to say that publicly. So we're just going to make it so obvious that we're not trying anymore by doing stuff like this.

[C]

Can I just know that in 2008 they were purchased by India's Tata Motors. Yeah.

[A]

Tata. Yeah.

[C]

So like that already happened. They already had their.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

I understand what you said.

[B]

Much like, remember when Ford bought them as part of the what premier automotive group or what have you, like, it's time to pass that hot potato. And this is just their way of saying, like, please, someone buy Us and like someone not in the US market, we're not even trying to appeal to them. This is strictly like a Chinese EV future for us.

[C]

By the way, they also have a partnership with Cherry.

[B]

You sure it's not gaily?

[C]

Yeah, positive.

[A]

So I don't know. RIP Jaguar, maybe, who knows.

[B]

We'll see.

[C]

They, by the way, in their partnership with, with Cherry, sell mostly their. The old Jaguar product still.

[A]

But in addition to this concept steering wheel. Yes. This, this photo came out recently of their steering wheel. Now looking at this, this in the year 2026 already looks aged.

[C]

Can you describe it for the people that are listening?

[A]

If you were alive in the late 1980s and you remember what everybody was trying to do with screens and car integration then that's what it looks like now. That and across between like a Bang and olufsen product from 2003, that's like. Yeah, that's the best way.

[B]

Yeah, I was going Bose soundbar or whatever. Those were the mini players which had

[C]

all the ridges like this bottom here. Those were cool by the way.

[B]

They were, they were, they were like you were somebody if you had one of those in the 90s.

[A]

Yes, it was that, that and if your friends had the ice like thing in the refrigerator, that was how you, you could tell we grew up in the Midwest.

[B]

Or maybe like a telephone, like a cordless telephone. I see a little bit. It doesn't look like anything made in the last 35 years.

[A]

No. And the screen integration looks like it's.

[C]

Is that what that is?

[A]

I think it might be just covering up. Oh, it might just be a cover. It's gotta be because it looks like,

[B]

it looks like how I cover up a check engine light.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Just throw some black tape on it.

[C]

I don't know, it looks very ionic to me. Like this steering wheel and shifter which is on the stock could work in like an ionic five, I suppose. I don't know if it works in a multi hundred thousand dollar Jaguar EV though.

[A]

Yeah, I'm not sure.

[C]

A little too avant garde.

[A]

Yeah, it is pretty out there. But yeah, if you think what they did with the exterior of these cars is radical, imagine what they're going to do with the interior of these things.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm surprised it's not a yolk, to be honest with you.

[B]

Same.

[A]

You know, and it still very well could be. But yeah, this is just quite a wild picture. And then of course this guy had to have.

[B]

Yeah, I like that. I noticed that too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Of course I throw a Nardi in it and just Call it a day.

[C]

You think you can store CDs here?

[A]

Oh, wow. Interesting maybe, but fascinating. All right, moving on to the next news story. Porsche. Because this is a Porsche podcast, Filippo.

[C]

It is a Porsche podcast as a Porsche owner.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

All right. Next week on the 14th or something like that, Porsche is going to reveal a new particularly fun 911 variant. So people on the Internet have gone wild over this photo and there's a bunch of theories of what it is right now.

[A]

To be clear for audio listeners, it is a 911 with a cover on it, a Porsche crest on the hood and the lights are on.

[C]

Yes, but. But you can. If you people that have looked closely at this, which is not me, I'm reporting what others have reported. They see door handles and there's only the GT3RS has door handles that stick out when closed. The rest flush are flush with the vehicle. So it could be a GT3RS variant.

[A]

How fun.

[C]

Some people believe that it looks like there's a break where the top is. It could be a convertible. So there's some theories that it could be a convertible. Turbo, could be a convertible. GT3RS could be some other variant.

[A]

Convertible, turbos do they not offer.

[C]

I meant a turbo with a manual. Cuz a particularly fun and driving passion could be a GT3 RS convertible could be none of those things.

[A]

RS has a massive queen.

[C]

It could be. So GT3 touring convertible, whatever Touring convertible would be.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

It's something.

[A]

It's something.

[C]

But that's particularly fun. There's a lot of people that do think it's likely to be a manual because of particularly fun and like kind of going to driving enjoyment. But we will find out next week.

[B]

Sounds particularly fun. Particularly fun.

[C]

Yeah. It will premiere on April 14th. Wow.

[A]

Okay. So yeah, so we'll be talking about it.

[B]

Be honest with us. How often are you on run list?

[C]

Never.

[B]

How often are you checking the values of your car?

[C]

Never.

[A]

You know what I. So my washing machine was on the fritz and Felipe let me borrow his and sitting in his garage, he was away was his 911 Targa.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he was in there. Windows and roof open, spiders in it

[C]

when I got home and the windows were closed like ah, right. Kenneth was here. Yeah.

[A]

I saw this. I'm like, why? Because you still don't understand how to take care of a nice car. He's just not a Porsche guy.

[C]

Like I cleaned the car yesterday and I clean the interior. It's in my garage. Why not leave it open?

[A]

Clean the Interior.

[B]

It looks pretty nice.

[A]

It didn't look clean to me.

[C]

No, no. I, I cleaned.

[A]

There was like sand in the past.

[C]

Well, because we use our cars. Yeah. I'm gonna use my car or not use my car.

[A]

It's an 80 something thousand dollar car. Like you gotta treat with something.

[C]

It's a 90,000 mile 911. I'm gonna use it like an 8,000 mile and I will then clean it. And I vacuumed it a bunch of times. I've treated the interior leather. I'm treating it nicely.

[A]

I was unimpressed.

[C]

It's a sign that I was driving the car.

[A]

Which is good.

[C]

With the top open. As you should in the Target.

[A]

Yeah. But then you lose it when you're done.

[C]

Why?

[A]

Because you get spiders in it and dust everywhere.

[C]

And my garage isn't a nice spider.

[A]

I look more of a Porsche person. But my point is Filippo, although he does have a 911, he does talk about Porsche. He's actually not very much.

[B]

And whatever BS variant this is, no one's going to drive it. They're all going to get it. They're going to take it to One Cars and coffee. They're going to tell everyone about it and then they're going to park it.

[C]

I hope that this will be a more known one that this actually gets driven.

[A]

I hope people drive. Yeah, yeah. I mean I think the curry cheese is one of the most compelling things they make. Go ahead and drive them. I mean people just, you don't have to worry about it as much. Love those cars.

[C]

It will almost certainly be on the high end of their lineup.

[A]

Obviously GT3 cab would be interesting.

[C]

Is there a market?

[A]

I, I don't know if there's a market for that.

[C]

I guess it's cool.

[A]

But a manual turbo, this is what

[C]

a manual turbo would be quite something.

[A]

First manual turbo since the 997. That would be something cool.

[C]

That would be pretty cool. Yeah, that would. It's what they did with the money.

[A]

Yeah, I think it would.

[B]

Big money.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[C]

It's what they did with the Sport Classic. Right. That was basically a manual turbo.

[A]

Correct.

[C]

And values have stayed quite strong. There's clear demand and Porsche is known

[A]

for using limited edition models to test the concept of bringing it to.

[B]

They are doing what Ferrari's not willing to.

[A]

Yep. And they have been built with the 911R.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

We've been doing it for a long time. Since the991 11R. Anyway. Traveling internationally is great until your phone bill shows up. That's why I started using Saily. It's an ESIM app that gives you affordable data in over 150 countries. So you land, turn it on and you're connected. No SIM swapping, no hunting for wi fi, no surprise charges. I used it on a recent trip with Emily and it just worked. Data was fast, setup took like two minutes and I didn't have to think about it again, which is exactly what you want when you're traveling. What I like is how flexible it is. You can pick a plan based on where you're going and how much data you need. And it's way cheaper than roaming through your carrier if you travel at all. This is one of those things that just makes life easier. I use this and you should too. Download the Saily app or head over to saily.com and use the code cars to get an exclusive discount on your first plan. Stay connected wherever you go with Saily. Okay, moving on from Porsche. Ah, Ford.

[B]

Yeah, Ice is not dead, to use your term. Again there. Ford just set a new record on the Nurburgring for fastest internal combustion engine. It fastest American car, beating out the Corvette ZRX1 1615, 590. It's a little cheaty because they use not only a race car driver, which I expect a lot of the manufacturers are, but this is a track only variant. Yes, the public can buy it, they choose who can buy it. But like in theory, you and I.

[C]

This isn't even the normal Ford GT.

[B]

Yeah, no, it's the Mark 4 GT prototype pre production vehicle. Well, you could buy the race car version of it like if you wanted to be a gentleman racer like Canon and I.

[A]

So it's kind of a BS thing,

[B]

it's kind of a BSC thing, but still so cool. 6 minutes and 15 seconds. Just absolutely ripping it again. You know, we're America's back, baby. Like that is so cool. And I feel like the first, the new Ford GT's waning a little bit. Like the old Ford GT is getting to be a little bit more sought after in the secondary market. The new Ford GTs may be like a little tired. So doing stuff like this I think keeps that Ford gt like really hot, really exciting. I'm here for it.

[C]

Obviously this is different than the Ford GT you can go out and buy, but the fastest production car according to Wikipedia is a Mercedes AMG1 which had a 629. So 15 seconds off of that. I recognize that it's a prototype vehicle on flicks, etc.

[B]

But it's cool.

[A]

I don't know, it's cool.

[C]

It is impressive.

[B]

It's a good marketing gimmick. You know their CEO is famous for going racing. Yeah, I think it's great to see Ford is still has their enthusiast heart beating very strongly for us all.

[C]

To our friend Jim Farley, by the way, the non road legal cars fastest was a Porsche 919 Hybrid Evo in 2018 that did a 519.

[A]

That's crazy.

[C]

Hybrids don't cry. This is in the third after the Volkswagen IDR.

[B]

Okay, well moving on, just a fun little factoid there.

[A]

Oh, speed cameras.

[C]

Speaking of Europe, auto is rolling out a new type of speed camera. That's an average speed camera. Other countries, the UK especially has had this for forever France, but it means that there isn't a speed camera or a police officer. It's taking the average from camera one to camera two and tracking your speed that way.

[A]

Now I have feelings on this. Two things. One is that it is nice knowing that cops aren't hidden out there. You know exactly where they are, they're not moving. So you know where you can slow down.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

However, having just driven through France in Europe having to deal with these damn things, it was so frustrating because all you do is you just stare at the speedometer like you just make sure it's set perfect and then if it goes, if you go downhill a little bit, it's like oh, did I pick up speed?

[C]

I want to be clear. You if you average 10 miles or more above the speed limit, you will get a 75 ticket and no penalty points.

[A]

It's. It's just a cash grab really. That's what that admits is that it's not for safety. It's just to make revenue. That's all that admits 10 miles an hour.

[C]

There is a safety element here. Right. Like it's known that if there's speed cameras and if you really wanted to waze and Google Maps tell you where those are, you slow down.

[A]

But if they actually believe, then they would assign points to it to further deter people. But they don't.

[C]

In a lot of states and at the federal level there have been some lawsuits about actual penalties when there is not a police officer present. Oh, like in Italy you can't, which is true. But it's been a problem with speed cameras generally, where some courts have ruled against them. Having lower penalties changes some of that

[A]

and makes it more sure then doesn't act as a deterrent, which doesn't accomplish the good thing.

[C]

It is a little bit of a deterrent. Hopefully because speeding can get out of hand.

[B]

I haven't seen a lot of people speeding. Scottsdale has these all over the place. Not quite this technology. I was in my father in law's old Tahoe on old tires, saw the red light camera and if you speed up, it gets you for speeding. So you can't just like power through the yellow. So I stand on the brakes, light up all four tires, a pillow of smoke comes over me and the lady next to me just looks at me like this. But it's like I've literally gotten a ticket at this light before. I'm not doing it again.

[A]

So that's definitely safer. Definitely safer. Mission accomplished.

[C]

That sounds like a nick problem.

[B]

For being honest, it was actually really fun.

[C]

Be careful if you're going more than 10 miles over the speed limit on I25 north of Denver.

[A]

I just hope it doesn't spread like a coniferous disease.

[C]

Okay. I don't like it. I also like making up some time on the high, long, boring, flat highway stretches of Colorado. But I also do appreciate the need for some enforcement.

[A]

Yeah, speaking of something, let's talk about something cool. So Lewis Hamilton, recently for the Japanese Grand Prix, went out one night with Kim Kardashian, who he's dating in an F40, had cameras strapped to it and drove it around like crazy. He did like donuts. He was power sliding the car. He was just having a great time. And I think it further underscores like Lewis might be one of the coolest.

[B]

He's so cool.

[A]

Not only do I respect Lewis for his unbelievable achievements in Formula one, he is one of the great sportsmen of the world currently living, but then he goes out and does this in an F40. I mean, you think about like a lot of the drivers have to be seen driving the cars, the manufacturer. Lewis isn't out just driving the new stuff, he's driving the cool stuff. And he clearly loves the F40 and like, that's one of his passion cars. He's out driving it with Kim Kardashian. I mean, that's a wild statement. He's doing what Formula one drivers should be doing, which is when they're not on track, they're just going out and doing insane stuff. I think it's cool.

[B]

Even the edit was cool. Like they found a way to make it like vintage and like, just like almost like a street racing vibe to it.

[A]

Totally. And like, I, I think that like, obviously a lot of it was planned and stuff like that, but I still think it's really cool. Like I mean, Lewis Hamilton, Kim Kardashian, and F40. Come on.

[C]

That's cool.

[A]

Yeah. It's not really much of a news story if you haven't watched the video, like, go out and find it, like, on Instagram where it was

[C]

awesome.

[A]

Yeah. And F40. Yeah.

[B]

Kardashians also come up a lot on this podcast. And like always in a positive sentiment. It's very strange, but, like, they know cars. It's, like, so weird.

[A]

I would like to know. I would imagine someone advises them on the car decisions they should make. I'd love to know who that is.

[B]

Caitlyn and Lord Disick have been into cars forever. Like, there's been gearheads in that family before they were famous.

[A]

Yeah, they've got taste, but. Yeah, got a lot of taste. But anyway, that brings us to the end of the news.

[C]

It's time to talk about cars.

[A]

Time to talk about cars.

[B]

We got good stuff today.

[A]

All right, Nick, start us off.

[B]

You want me to start? It's hard to even say who should start here.

[C]

Oh, no, it's you. It's definitely you.

[A]

It's always Nick.

[C]

Tell us.

[B]

Should I start with an apology? I feel like.

[C]

To who?

[B]

To my wife?

[C]

Yeah, probably.

[B]

So I had a friend DM me saying, Nick, there is a convertible L405 Range Rover at a Manheim auction in Pennsylvania. This has you written all over it. And then I DM my other buddy, Troy, who's like, sort of the kingpin of this Rover roulette group I'm in. And he helps people. He has a dealer's license buy these cars. And I said, troy, do not tell a single soul about this. I want to pursue this. Will you help me? And he said, this is the worst idea I've ever heard. I'm in. And so, sure enough, we get online and we bid on it at the Mannheim dealer auction. And win went for, like, it only got 30,000 miles. Like, it went for maybe a small premium over what I think the L405 is worth with that mileage.

[C]

20, 30, 40 grand.

[B]

Print. No, no, barely win for 40. But I now own a convertible Range Rover. It was done by Newport Convertible Engineering, who is sort of the known. Go to one. I now have my second or third converted car. The other two were transmission converted. This one's convertible converted. Oh, wait.

[C]

Impressive.

[B]

It is by far the most unhinged Range Rover I've ever seen.

[C]

It up for you? Cuz you were out of town, so I. I took delivery of it for you. It's so cool.

[B]

I'VE been so nervous cuz it was sold by just like a Chevy dealer. Yeah, it was weird. Like, like two hours outside of Philly.

[C]

It was also billed as one of two built for the Queen, which there was one built for the Queen. It ain't that one.

[B]

It ain't that one. It's. It's pretty different. And also Newport Convertible Engineering has at least four L405s on their website that they've done. So like those claims were just total used car dealer bs. But. But I've never seen another one in person.

[A]

No.

[C]

And it's cool. We all want convert. We live in Southern California. You want a convertible in life. I have a Target. I had a convertible 500. You have your convertible SLR and I

[B]

want to take my family places. Like I want a beach cruiser.

[C]

Look at how the seat belts are mounted in the rear. And maybe come to your own.

[B]

It's got some weird stuff to it. But I'm taking this to car week this year and we're all going around.

[C]

So cool.

[B]

I just like waving and car spotting and having so much fun. I'm taking it off roading. It's. It's, it's so cool.

[C]

The, the design works as a convertible. Like, it's like. It's like a. Has a, like a hip line that kind of. It truly works.

[B]

It works great. As long as the top is down.

[C]

The top is down.

[B]

You put that top up, it's. It's on level with Doug's G wagon in terms of worse.

[A]

It's worse. Which is hard.

[C]

The top up because the top really goes up like right behind the rear seats. Not right.

[A]

So there's like a shelf there.

[C]

A shelf.

[B]

So it looks like a hearse.

[C]

I assume you have a video out about this.

[B]

Yeah, the video is. Has dropped by the time this podcast comes out of us bidding on it. Winning it. Your initial react as well as the other. So I tried to buy P38 convertible back in the day. It went for like 130 grand. I tried to buy an RC convertible went for like 150. So this is a deal. It's a deal. Yes. I could not. But I still have the E55 in Atlanta which I'm going to pick up next week. I'm going to go to DC Motorworks 4th anniversary party at their shop, do a final drive in inspection and then ship it back. Do some other stuff while I'm out there in Atlanta. But I basically at one point last week had two cars that I'd bought and never seen. Or driven.

[C]

I still haven't driven it by one point last week. You mean to literally an hour ago you had two cars. Yeah.

[B]

That I hadn't seen this.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So when you want to look down that camera and apologize to your wife.

[B]

I've apologized so many times. She is a saint for putting up with me.

[A]

She is.

[C]

I'm told she listens to the podcast when you're on.

[B]

She listens now you're shot to.

[A]

Really.

[B]

She does. It brings us together. But she's my biggest fan. I love her to death stuff. I do have to figure out what car I'm selling eventually sell multiple. She's encouraging me to hang on to all of them and just like get some seat time. I know. I'm surprised.

[C]

Have you considered selling now that you have a five seat Range Rover? You don't need your Cayenne.

[B]

I don't. Well, I don't think I need two Range Rovers.

[C]

I don't think you need a Cayenne.

[A]

One car that's gonna work.

[C]

Is that your newest car now? Yeah.

[B]

Newest. Newest car. Yeah. Lowest mileage 38,000 miles.

[C]

Yeah. I think you have your solution.

[B]

We'll see.

[A]

His wife has not yet seen this curse. There's no way she wants to be seen. This is so cool. Imagine the roof not working. Oh and it won't getting stuck halfway.

[C]

It is a power roof by the way.

[B]

Yeah. No.

[C]

We weren't sure going into it but

[A]

it is power on its own.

[C]

Also it's really quick. It goes up and down quickly.

[B]

Yeah. From your video it looked pretty good. So I don't know what I'm doing long term. I couldn't say no to it.

[C]

Boy, isn't that true?

[B]

I do think someone eventually like it belongs on Coronado, Nantucket somewhere. You know like Galveston. I don't know.

[C]

Coastal island and.

[B]

Or not. Somewhere where you have a vacation home and you want to take your kids out to like the local.

[C]

Or it belongs in your driveway.

[B]

It will belong there for a while but eventually we'll. We'll probably yeah.

[A]

PCH and Encinitas.

[C]

Will it fit your garage? I don't know.

[B]

In theory.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

God. You got.

[A]

You have to look. You gotta respect that.

[B]

I need due diligence.

[A]

Sleep on his wife. Carefully measured and like around the garage to make sure 911 wouldn't have anything around at the.

[C]

The reason that is mostly my wonderful wife, not me.

[B]

The reason it's called Rover Roulette is you just. You do it and then you ask that it's like, it could go bad, it could go great. You never know. You just.

[A]

You didn't need to explain.

[C]

We understood that it's one out of six times it goes poorly. Like, because if so, you got some more Range Rovers to buy.

[B]

I mean, with the P38, it's like eight out of nine times it goes poorly. Sure, yeah. With an L405, I think it's more like 50 50. Sam did all the due diligence on an L45 and was like, don't buy these. They're unreliable. Yeah, I buy it. And then I'm like, sa. Can you tell me more about the L405, please?

[A]

Oh, my God, Nick. It's such a problem.

[B]

He agreed. At 38,000 miles, it's probably not. You're probably.

[C]

Congratulations.

[B]

Thank you. Yeah. Question mark was correct.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

I don't know where to go from there.

[A]

Can you hit us with some rational.

[C]

I sure cannot.

[B]

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[C]

Over the weekend, I was in Arizona for my nephew's one year birthday and for Easter and while there. So my late father in law and my mother in law had bought a Fox Body Mustang convertible, a 1991 5.0 convertible, two, three years ago. Now, Craig, my late father in Law was a mechanic, especially a Ford mechanic. So he did a bunch of upgrades. He wanted to really make it quite a high performance fox body, which means it performs about as well as.

[A]

Yeah, it went from 200 horsepower to 223.

[C]

But also they were going to do a lot of cosmetic work. It had gone to a painter who then started doing meth. It was a whole problem. They had to rescue it in the middle of the night from his backyard. None of this is a joke. They truly won the middle of the night with a trailer and took it back. But now it's getting actually painted and finished professionally by a real shop. So we had to move it from the driveway where it had sat about 50 miles to the shop.

[A]

Hold on a minute. So what's the plan with this thing? Finish the project.

[C]

To finish the project. We like to. It runs great now. My brother in law and I replaced the starter while we were there, which was a surprise on a Friday afternoon when we had other things to do.

[A]

Do you got the cold ones?

[C]

No, sadly. I know it was really a mistake. And then it's going to get painted like a purple color, which will be cool. A body kit needs to be put on it for. It's a whole thing. But I spent a lot of my weekend fixing a fox body Mustang, loading it kind of sketchily onto a trailer, driving it across town. But now it is in progress. It is getting worked on. It's going to get put back together and it's going to be very exciting. So we'll have a running fox body Mustang in my life.

[A]

Who are you? Yeah. You have a convertible wide body, purple modded fox body.

[C]

I didn't say wide body. The body kit, but like bumpers. Not, not.

[A]

Oh, I was picturing like.

[C]

No, no, no, I'm not. Strad, man.

[B]

Make it like a Celine rep.

[C]

It'd be cool.

[A]

That would be cool purple.

[C]

But I am. It does. Yes.

[B]

When you sent that picture to our. Our Carson bus group.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I thought that is a parts car. Yeah. Like it. It does not. You can get a far nicer fox body Mustang anywhere. Like just literally anyone.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Filippo's just sending these pictures and his, his brother in law.

[C]

Yeah, look, I was contributing. I want to be clear. It was mostly Jacob's doing.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I did legitimately help a fair amount. But mostly I sat there and replied to slacks.

[A]

That's.

[C]

That's.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

What are you gonna do?

[A]

Holiday weekend for Filippo.

[C]

But I'm excited that whenever I go back to my mother in law's house after we Spend a lot. She spends a lot of money getting this back together. Money that could certainly buy multiple Fox body Mustangs.

[A]

This is gonna be on the site at some point.

[C]

No, no, no. She's keeping it forever. This is a sentimental. With all due respect, it's gonna be at her house. I'm gonna. Every time I go back to Northern Arizona, I'm gonna be driving around in a fox body, living the dream in a quite heavily modified Foxbody.

[B]

With all due respect to your father in law.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

When I die, I hope that my family doesn't feel compelled to finish all my project cars to honor me because they're going to have their.

[C]

There was some trade offs of which projects were getting finished.

[B]

How many more were there?

[C]

I want to be clear because it matters.

[B]

What else we got in the back

[C]

warehouse, including my wife, if she's listening. He was quite good at finishing projects. He then just. His health declined really quickly. Became hard to finish some of them. There is a 65 Mustang that doesn't have an interior engine.

[B]

I might recommend that over a Fox body.

[C]

Just the fox body was.

[B]

From a collectibility standpoint.

[C]

I'm not a sentimental person, but other people in my life are. And you can't, can't fight sentimentality. There is a, a Checker Aerobus that was my mother in law's grandfather or father's car where she was growing up. They rode in the Checker Aerobus which is like a six door.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Three or four row checker. There's an rv, there's. So there's some other stuff, but we're clearing out. The Ford F250 that my wife and I inherited is in front of our house right now. It got delivered. We gotta do some things. But it's there, it's running great. Shout out to Dave at Iconic Automotive.

[A]

It looks pretty cool.

[C]

It looks so cool.

[A]

It's pretty legit. I have to say I need to

[B]

see a burnout in it soon before you replace the entire thing.

[C]

Too clear.

[A]

I don't know. It has the power to do that. Maybe one rotation.

[C]

It's like a. A 6.4 liter V8 with actual power.

[A]

What like 100?

[C]

No, 300 something? It's pre us.

[A]

Oh right. Because it's a 70.

[C]

It's 73.

[A]

73. Okay.

[B]

Remember that? You know the Multipla Adventure tour?

[C]

I.

[B]

This is related, but. So we wanted to do burnouts when we did the quarter mile strip. Producer Sean got a bunch of baby oil for that and then he gave it to me in a plastic bag and the track didn't let us put down the baby oil to try to make it burn out.

[C]

There's so many good reasons.

[B]

So then we go to the hotel and I check in with like seven or eight big things of baby oil. And this is like right after the whole incident with P. Diddy and I forgot and I left them behind. So some poor house cleaner just saw this empty room that a guy was in for one night and left seven, eight bottles of baby oil. And I wanted to be like, it's for drag racing, it's not for what you think it is.

[A]

They assume that was some sort of euphemism.

[B]

So if we want to do a burnout, we need to go find spade oil.

[C]

I think that given that the tires are 20 years old, yeah, we're good.

[B]

If my father in law's Tahoe can peel all four, we're good.

[C]

I haven't actually driven the truck yet. It is my wife's truck, not mine. She drove it back when we picked it up from the transporter. We have a great picture about it. Yeah, we saw Canon. But this weekend was all about American cars.

[A]

You know what? And I'm an American car guy to it. It's not an American car guy.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

But I have an observation. So I recently went back to Ohio to visit my grandfather. My grandfather's not well, he's nearing the end of his life, but he has had in his life, it was his father's before his and he's had it since he was I think about 14 or 15 and he's now 97. He's had a 1931 Indian 101B Scout, which is regarded by most pre war motorcycle people and most motorcycle people in general as one of the greatest bikes ever made. And my cousin Matt, Matt finished a full mechanical restoration of the bike. So, and I mean it's, and it's not easy. Working on pre war stuff is very difficult. He's had to learn a lot. I'm really proud of the work that he's done with it. My grandfather has always said he's very, he's always said anybody can ride that thing. And, and so one day we all got, we all were able to get together to spend some time with him, which was great. And we all got to ride the bike, including myself. Now I've never ridden a motorcycle of any kind.

[C]

You never rid a motorcycle, period?

[A]

No, never, never, never ridden one before. But I got to ride the Indian, which was so cool and so interesting. So like I love Pre war cars and the bike. I was like so in love with this motorcycle. It was easy to. Once you get it moving, which does take. So when you start the thing. Yeah. You have to go full throttle on the left handlebar and full. You can adjust the timing so you have to do that all the way down as well. The kick, when you go to kick it, you have to push down on it until you find compression, then come up and then kick it to start it. And then turn the handlebar, turn the handles back really quickly so it doesn't. Because you're at full bottle. I mean, it's very loud. But I was just like, I was in heaven with it. There's my cousin running along telling me that it's like he's worrying me. It's like, you know when you put it in neutral because it goes first, neutral, second, third. And just what I did right there, he was like, just make sure you don't go all the way into second gear or whatever. But I also slowed down a little bit so that the brakes are not great. They're cable driven so they don't stop like a modern motorcycle at all. But I got to ride it, my family got to ride it. My grandfather was the happiest. So it was a really wholesome moment of us all together. But it made me realize also there's not a lot of crossover between car people and motorcycle people. They are generally you're interested in one or the other, seldom both, which I think is very interesting. But this bike, I just fell in love with the experience. And it's like, I don't know that I can own one. I don't know if I feel comfortable with how this is what I would want. And they're not exactly fast nor reliable. It's a total loss oiling system. So it just comes out on the ground.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It's not exactly environmentally friendly.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

But the experience of using something that old, like I've really fallen in love with older cars recently and older objects in general just make you use your brain in a completely different way. And like being a car guy, having, I mean still a foot operated clutch that I had to work and like all this stuff. And then you're balancing it as well. Like I totally get the appeal and I love it and I'm happy we all have it in our life and my cousin will keep it, we'll keep it in the family forever. But it was just a cool experience I wanted to share with people. I. I understand why people love motorcycles. I Think if you. You can get out and ride one. It's like, I can see the appeal. The freedom is just amazing.

[C]

So motorcycles are incredibly fun. I'm not like a performance bike person, but to me was. And that's special. And it's such an incredible way to get into like. Like mechanical, engine driven.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Things. Right. Like, they're a lot in general, cheaper than. Than cars, easier to work on than cars, easier to maintain the cars. Like, if you're into that. It's such a good.

[A]

Totally. And you know. Yeah, yeah, it's a. It's a much. It's an approachable entry point into mechanical things. Mechanical, like modes of transportation.

[C]

Get a motorcycle, you get a bike.

[B]

I know.

[A]

I love that thing. My cousin sent me one that's for sale right now. Another 31. And I was like, ah, this kind of feeling. But yeah, yeah, they're cool. But. And you just feel like, so cool. Like, it. It was a very masculine feeling thing. But yeah, I really. I really loved it. And it's just like a. It was a. It's a fun story. I'm glad my grandfather got to witness to do that.

[C]

I could picture you on a Harley.

[A]

I'm. I think I'm an Indian guy.

[C]

Like more modern, but sure. An Indian for sure.

[A]

Yeah, I can see that. That's more the brand I. I love just because of. Of that and the. My family tie to it. Yeah, Yeah, I just think they're. It's cool piece of Americana modern.

[C]

And it's great, too, too.

[A]

Yeah. Husqvarna base. But, you know, they are pretty cool, so I don't know. But yeah, that was fine. So not a car piece of news at all, but nonetheless, deep canon that

[B]

the first motorcycle you ride is an incredibly special and rare one.

[A]

Yes. Yep. Yeah, exactly. Well, you just start with.

[B]

The only R8 I've driven is a GT.

[A]

I'd only driven V10s. And that was true.

[B]

I drove a Mercy once. It was an SV, one of four. But, you know, that's true.

[A]

I've driven the SV and the LP 650 in your car.

[B]

Yeah, the 650.

[A]

Not the 640. The 650 for those who know. All right, enough of our new it's

[C]

time to talk about the market report. And the market report this week is brought to you, to you all by Velocity Invitational, an actual. An actual sponsor. This time. We partner with the Velocity Invitational folks to run some really great auctions while we're there. So if you come to the Velocity Invitational, Event, you will see literally me, a bunch of people from our team and a bunch of really cool cars that will be auctioned that day and will be there that day. But Velocity in general is one of North America's premier car culture events. Hundreds of the world's greatest cars on the track and in the paddock. Some really cool people coming. So come check it out. If you want to come. You can get a 10% discount by using the code viz. When you buy your ticket, you're going to be there. I will be there.

[B]

Literally you, literally me. Literally. Wow.

[C]

Literally.

[B]

That's worth the 10% off.

[C]

Before we dive into some market report, I want to mention a couple of other places where we at cars and bits will be. There's a cruise in at the Peterson Automotive museum on the 12th. That's this Sunday from nine to noon. Jeff Dunham will be there. Fun fact, admission is free, but you do take it if you want to show your car. And then at the Long Beach Grand Prix the following weekend, we're partnering with Avant for the Avant pit stop from 6 to 9pm right after long Beach Grand Prix.

[B]

Will you be there?

[C]

I will also be there.

[B]

Literally.

[C]

Literally.

[B]

All right.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Now that one, he's metaphorically going to be there.

[C]

So check out our socials and our cars of its community for a chance to apply to, for entrance to that event. Come, come hang out.

[B]

And I'll be at the Rancho Santa Fe Cars and coffee on Saturday.

[C]

We don't talk about the cars and coffee.

[B]

Not as a official.

[C]

No, no, we just don't talk about it. It's a secret.

[B]

Oh yeah it is. It used to be called the secret secret car.

[A]

That was in that inner period where they had the high because the city. So anyway, the best.

[C]

All right, but let's talk about actual car market. Can we start with the Cayenne gts?

[A]

Oh yes. So we sold. It'll come up pretty quickly. So we sold this 09 Cayenne GTS which for those of you who are unfamiliar, this generation Cayenne GTS was available with a manual and this is the 1.34,000 miles six speed manual finished in GTS red, which is the color you were saying there's some ownership thing behind this.

[C]

I want to give a shout out to David Motocross of the mainline. He was the seller here. But the owner of the vehicle reached out to us, was an older lady whose husband had passed who had this car as his baby.

[A]

Great taste.

[C]

And we connected them and David did a phenomenal job of presenting the car getting it sold for what is at least based on our research, a modern record for. There's a chance. Doug and I went back and forth about this a lot. He was being very pedantic. Doug, there's a chance that when new Cayenne GTS was more could be optioned to more than 97,500 but otherwise to our knowledge this is a record price

[A]

price since the recession has one trade when it was new. So be to be clear, it's all for $97,500 which is a lot of money. I actually. What was the next most expensive one?

[C]

Oh, a first gen. I don't. Nowhere close.

[A]

Nowhere close to that. I mean it was I think.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean we've sold a couple of red ones. The next nearest one was 32,000. Now the mileage difference is the big 32.

[C]

5.

[A]

Yeah

[C]

like the mileage was the thing like if you want a, a, a manual Cayenne GTS which first gen was the first gen Cayenne was only GTS to be available with the manual. The only V8 Cayenne with the manual. Yeah. This is the one you want. It's the nicest one in the world. Sure.

[B]

Manual Cayennes in general. I mean the. You guys sold a bunch of those jet green ones. That is the next model not to be called the 958 to be called the 902A for all the commenters that get upset about things like that your Porsche people. But nonetheless that. That is pretty, pretty wild.

[A]

It's strong result. But I mean it is. It is yet another case of find another one. This one was incredibly well represented by a great seller. It was just the mileage, the, the transmission and you just not. They just don't come up and people

[C]

recognize and the nice one never comes. They sell and they sell across two enthusiasts buy into enthusiasts at this point. But this is a really low mile.

[B]

You gotta wonder if there will become a market for manual swaps. Right. The Delta. So. But you could buy a low mile Cayenne gts for like 30. Here's the swap it.

[A]

I don't think so.

[B]

I don't think so.

[A]

I'll tell you why. In theory they're not that great to drive anyway. It's like it's the rarity from the fact it was built from the factory this way. It's like it's not. It's cool, it's a novelty. It does not. I don't think it improves the experience even remotely.

[C]

I think it does because I think that it like.

[A]

But I get why, like. Yeah, so I don't think that, like, this isn't like the mercy where it dramatically makes.

[B]

I mean, like. So there's a. This generation Nordic Gold one that I see around all the time in Del Mar. Chick driven. And you gotta wonder, like, sorry, I mean, rugged mother. And you gotta wonder, could she stick swap that and sell it for 100k? I mean, probably.

[C]

I mean, it's interesting, right? So E46M3S is what comes to mind because those were available as a stick. Common as a stick. But you can. People do stick swap them and you get back the price of the swap.

[A]

There's controversy in the E46 community about that sometimes in every. Dude I don't know.

[B]

It doesn't matter what car it is. The conversion people are crazy. And I say that with love, but, like, they're all. They all hate each other and talk crap on each other and like, it's

[A]

a whole thing calling them crazy.

[B]

That's right.

[C]

Nordic gold would sell well. A Nordic old manual maybe that go up to them. Offer the converter for them. Good luck finding the manual transmission.

[B]

I'll leave a note and let you know how it goes. But I can't.

[C]

I don't. I'm.

[B]

No more cars.

[A]

Dear rugged mother.

[B]

I can't. I have no more left.

[A]

Okay, no more cars. All right, Fl. What other cars can we talk about?

[C]

All right, last week. I'm going to go back to my normal BS here. Last week on Cars and Friends on the Cars and Bits channel, we talked about cars that we felt like we're going to appreciate. Yeah, appreciating that. Came out this week on. On Monday there. There were two that I pointed out as I think they're. They're going up. One was the GT350. Can you pull it up real quick? Y. We sold that very GT350 for $64,500, which this was a low mile. Good color, good spec. 1 sticker 64.5 is a strong result and notably up from some other results. It sold for above sticker.

[A]

Now, granted, it was adjusted for inflation, but even so, like, that's crazy.

[C]

These have retained their value and they truly are ticking back up. These nice ones like this we sold, if you look back at our results in the 50s, pretty consistently. And now somehow they're back above 60, which is impressive. They are indeed, I think, going up. And the same is true for the 997. We sold 9711 earlier this week or last week for Maybe it wasn't a dot one.

[A]

It wasn't.

[C]

It was a. It was a dot two. There we go for a 997.1 Carrera S with a manual. 20,000 miles for 74, which feels like strong money. I took a look back at our results from 2023, 2024 and even to 2025. And this eclipses most similar comps. These are also truly taking up. I say this both to validate what I said to drive people to that video. Cuz it's a good video. Little, little cross marketing there.

[A]

Nice.

[C]

I think that both of these are truly interesting market results. Right. They, they are proving out that GT350s and 997s are up and you should be minding that if it's a car you want to buy.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Yeah. You know what else is going up? SLRs, L405 cabs, E55 stick swaps, 39 M5, 2014 Ford Focus SC with a titanium package. Yeah, just, just totally. You're going to have a, you're gonna

[A]

have a hoovy level sell off.

[C]

How confident are you that it's SC with the titanium pack?

[B]

No, I'm not. It's a black pack because the titanium

[C]

was a trim above SE.

[B]

I misspoke. You're correct.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Fellow 2014 Ford Focus enthusiast Filippo over here.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

May I bring up what.

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

One more Porsche to drive it home than we are a Porsche podcast. So we recently had. So in that same video Felipe was alluding to, I also talked about. This is one of the cars I think being undervalued in 1988, 944 Turbo S. They built like a thousand of these cars. Only bought about 500 in the United States. They're very rare and they only build it for a single year. What's interesting about this one is we've had it on the site once before, not that long ago. So it was here in 2025. It sold for $23,250. Exact same car with much better pictures and better representation. Sold for $31,250.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

It brings home my point. It's going to go on my gravestone yet again. Take great pictures. Like representation of the car matters so much at an auction because you can't see the car in person. And this one was not perfect. And the guy disclosed actually more than the previous owner about the things that he found with it. He was more pedantic about little flaws that it had. But because of his transparency and great representation Car sold for quite a bit more. And so all those things just go into making a great auction.

[C]

No reserve, too. Go ahead and drive home the point. Pull up your SL65. Talk about great, great photos.

[B]

Have we talked about that?

[C]

We have, but.

[A]

We have, but, I mean, yeah, my SLCK5, it arrived with the owner in Dallas. So it's is out of my light. It's gone. It's out. It's out in Dallas now. I hope to see the car again. It feels like. It feels right as a Dallas car. It does, doesn't it? Like the color combo. It's a little flashy. It's like, it's. It kind of fits right in. But I mean, again, yeah, it's like I. I did everything I could to like, represent this car nicely and. And ultimately it sold for that.

[B]

That picture of you caressing the license plate there, it's one of my favorite photos of you.

[C]

It's up there.

[A]

Well, it was dirty.

[C]

Yeah, car was dirty.

[A]

Pretty. I want to make sure. I want to make sure that spot, it had some carbon there. So I want to make sure.

[B]

Wearing a hat. A Mercedes hat. Yeah, I still got that.

[A]

Oh, yeah, I did keep the hat and a bunch. And a couple of other, like, things my family got me. Related to Mercedes.

[B]

Do you guys think, as auction experts here.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Including your tchotchkes with the car, does that help?

[C]

It depends on how cool the tchotchkes are.

[A]

If they came. No, no, absolutely not. I don't want lice where you've been. But if they are, things like that came with the car from the factory as peripherals, like the Courier G. Well, it's not there. But the Courier gt, for instance, like, they have little engines that came with them, like little models they had.

[B]

What about Doug's chrome reflective heat jack?

[A]

I don't think that new. I mean, maybe. I don't think anybody. I don't think anybody wants that.

[C]

I do think that other things that prove that you're an enthusiast do help. So, like, the people that have like a Prowler and a trailer and then give you the Hot Wheel Prowler, Hot Wheels with a trailer. Like, that's just.

[A]

I don't think it makes a big difference.

[C]

It's like a nice little.

[B]

So it's a way to signal that you're an enthusiast. Less so then it actually improves the value.

[A]

Bit of tangent. I know we have to get to questions, but. So I want. I was in Beverly Hills recently, or just LA in general, but I was in Beverly Hills specifically, and I was on Rodeo Drive and I went to the Porsche design and I walked in and I asked them if they had any Carrera GT related stuff and they were like, let me check. They went back and checked and said, we don't have any of that, but we do have some Carrera related stuff.

[C]

And I'm like, oh, yikes.

[A]

You don't understand. All right, never mind. See you later.

[C]

Can I give one more market update?

[A]

Absolutely you can.

[C]

All right. I sold my BBS LM wheels. They've arrived. To the new owners. Turns out BBS LMs are worth money.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

It really just proved that I don't understand the modification industry at all. But they're sold. The guy who bought them is phenomenal. He actually reached out to me when I first bought the car and talked about it and then reached out again when I put them up for sale.

[B]

You're gonna use the proceeds to refinish your OE wheels?

[C]

I'm gonna use the proceeds to offset my cost of purchase for the car. Yep.

[A]

Never gonna own this car.

[B]

Right?

[C]

He's. He's thrilled with them. I, I'm thrilled that he has them. He's putting them on his997 as well. It's exciting. But I don't understand that market in the least.

[B]

LMS are legit, dude. You don't.

[C]

Yeah, they look great on the car. I, I love the OEs cuz I'm

[B]

an OE between you telling everyone to slow down and obey traffic laws.

[C]

I know. I'm not.

[B]

Take off your wheels. Wheels.

[C]

Yeah. Take off your wheels.

[A]

Take off your wheels.

[C]

Well, you can't speed without wheels.

[B]

Yeah, that's true.

[A]

Oh, man. Well, I'm glad that you're able to get rid of those. And they went to a good home.

[C]

They went to a great hope and I'm. I'm incredibly excited. Cool.

[A]

All right, well, I think that's the market report. It's time to take some questions, though. All right, we have some questions.

[B]

Questions, questions.

[A]

Questions are brought to you today by Nick's convertible Range Rover. Problematic choices for a problematic man.

[B]

I'll take it.

[C]

Yeah, that's fair. If you have a question, you can ask it in the community post.

[B]

How were the questions this week?

[C]

Sean, our producer, reviewed them, so this selection is courtesy of him. Normally, Doug goes through every single question and chooses.

[B]

I didn't see them.

[C]

I trusted Sean to do it today.

[B]

I didn't, I didn't see them in advance when I looked minutes ago. All right, we're going to do it live. All Right.

[C]

Okay. If Nick, who's, who's this from? This is from Super M3 GTR 1721 1. Okay, thank you for asking. If you had Middle east prince level money, which brand today that exists now, would you first approach to make a one off car? I added some things to this question.

[A]

I mean wouldn't you just go straight to the top and it's like. I mean I would go to Ferrari and ask. No, they. Let's be honest, most of the stuff they build, it's oneoff kind of. You would go to Ferrari builds something with a manual. Manual V12 and a manual Daytona SP3 with a six speed.

[C]

You know what they would say?

[A]

How much? No, I'd say how much? No, I think if. I think you gave them enough money. I think, I think they would only.

[C]

I don't know how much agreed to never have it be seen in public and never drive it and well, they

[A]

don't have to find out.

[C]

Nick, what's your.

[A]

I think a one off Ferrari though that's like. That's pretty real. That's pretty serious.

[B]

You got the, you get the Eric Clapton car.

[A]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

[B]

I think I would have to go Lamborghini since he already took Ferrari. I still want a Reventon. So I would say like make me a new one or make me a stick Aventador, something like that.

[A]

Stick Aventador. Interesting.

[B]

It should be doable. No, not yet because I don't.

[C]

It wouldn't be like they would have to find a manual.

[B]

Yeah, it still seems to me like it's very doable but no one's done it yet.

[A]

Or honestly what the. That one guy did with the. The. I know it was just a spec, but on his, on his Chiron that paid homage to the original Veyron. Stuff like that.

[B]

That was really cool.

[A]

That was pretty cool.

[B]

Bugatti would be crazy to overlook an EB110SS revival. Yeah, that with like some level of reliability. Same with the XJ220 but again like with some level of modern refinement.

[C]

V12 in it.

[B]

Yeah, put the V12.

[A]

Jaguar is desperate enough for money.

[C]

Money they might.

[A]

If you brought them some components the

[B]

Project 00, whatever their name is.

[C]

What might be called the GT apparently

[A]

now you're the most. I'm most curious what you're going to say about this.

[B]

Prepare yourself for something contrarian right here.

[A]

I would go to Volvo and ask them.

[C]

Interesting.

[B]

I would, I would just bring sob back.

[A]

Bring back the A50 flying the.

[C]

The answer that I would that I was gonna give which I'll give anyways. You know how Porsche has been doing their like, like wish like there was. We saw that Cayenne that was re engineered by Porsche. I would go to Fiat and say hey, the multipla was pretty great but I want to be a little better. Can you go out, use the original, take much effort, just, just make it a little bit, a little bit nicer, a little bit, a little bit better.

[A]

So one off Ferrari converted manual Lamborghini of some kind.

[C]

Better multiply better multiple. And honestly we all chose Italian automakers

[A]

just said something that is interesting. I'm really surprised.

[B]

There's a lot of room for improvement.

[A]

They make the coolest stuff.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Let me, I, I thought it was going to say what brand would you bring back? Like you could go buy the defunct brand like a Jaguar.

[C]

I would buy. So yeah, Duesenberg, to be clear, I don't think I have a way to make Saab make money. But I, I try.

[A]

Neither did they in the end.

[C]

So true. All right, next question is from Century. But Doug, what's your learning manual story? Ah, I, I your team. I vaguely know yours. I'm. You should answer. I want to know when Nick plans to learn how to drive a manual. That's the question for Nick. But Kevin, please, go ahead.

[A]

Plans to drive.

[C]

Have you ever been in him with him in a car?

[B]

When I'm having fun, I, I sometimes dump the clutch. Intentional.

[C]

Oh, you sometimes he's

[B]

no, that never happened.

[A]

That's. Well, okay.

[C]

Never seen worse manual driving. All right, go ahead.

[A]

Interesting. So I learned how to drive in an NC Miata. The hard top, the folding hardtop one. My uncle had one took me to drive. We spent an afternoon driving that. So we drove to the Fiat dealership. This is before the Abarth came out. And I wanted to see if it was there. And they happened to have a 500 Prima Edizione.

[C]

Nice.

[A]

And they let me go drive that which was also a manual.

[C]

So I, it's a really easy manual drive.

[A]

It was but I got to check off two manual and you know, I got to learn on fear got, you know, the dealer demonstrator the best way, which was good. Only stalled it twice I think but that was how I learned how to do it. And then I didn't drive manual for like a year after that. And then I made sure basically every car owned until the Mercedes are all manuals. My next car will be two. So that's how I learned. But yeah, NC Miata A good car to learn on. Very forgiving, you know, starts easily too, when you install it. So.

[C]

Yep, good first cars. I realize the 500 factored into your life. This.

[A]

It did. It did. I remember that car. What about you? Where'd you learn?

[C]

I learned a couple places, like at simultaneous times. One is my friend Tristan. His parents had a V70 manual, so a Volvo wagon that was a manual, which was available briefly, and a Golf Mark 4 Golf manual. So I drove that Mark 4 Golf around a bunch. I think the first actual time was with my friend's dad, Pete. Shout out to Pete Neald. They had a Mazda Protege 5 manual. And so we went out driving for a while.

[A]

So you learned on kind of interesting cars.

[C]

Yeah, not valuable cars, but. But good cars.

[A]

Okay, and where did you learn?

[B]

Early 90s, I want to say 91 Nissan hard body pickup. Yeah, my neighbor had it mostly for gardening, so it smelled like some combination of like fertilizer, manure.

[C]

It's what you do in Ohio, Midwest generally. Like a truck that you only drive

[B]

in the spring still still has it. And was like texting me the other day cuz the exhaust, exhaust rotted out and no one would repair it because the car's worth less than the piping to do this. And was like, can you please help me? And I'm like, I'm sentimentally attached too. But I learned to drive on that no one ever taught me. She just like gave me the keys and was like, it's the best way. You want to learn manual, go for it. So I got pulled over very early on because I was blowing stop signs just in second because I didn't want to go down to first and risk stalling out. And so the cop let me off. He was very nice, kind of understood. And then I kept forgetting to take the parking brake off. And so when I returned it to her, the parking brake was just decimated. This is the most I had to like go around with like a brick in the trunk and use it as a parking chalk and then, you know, apologize and replace her parking brake for her.

[C]

This is the most nick story, man, because I can picture you doing that today.

[B]

Yeah, it has happened once or twice

[A]

since, but that whole story is so you. That's perfect.

[B]

The car's still out there. I actually was just the family friend. We were just with like two weeks ago in Florida. So she still got it.

[A]

Very cool. All right, cool. Hit us with another question. Felip.

[C]

This is a question just for Doug and or Felipe. So I'm sorry, neither of you can answer, if you were broke, what cheap daily would you get to drive around and nick that Being so broke that you can't afford the maintenance on a P38. The car may be free, but you still can't afford it.

[B]

It isn't for everyone, I'll give you that.

[C]

Just got. Honestly, I think that a lot of my actual, actual cars apply. I had a 2014 Ford Focus hatchback with a stick. And those are the only problem that those cars have really is the. The automatic transmission, the dual shift or whatever they call it. And so if you have a manual one, they're incredibly reliable, they're incredibly efficient, they're more comfortable than you'd expect. They're capable for doing long trips, they're pretty fun to drive. And I would 100% go back to one.

[A]

So you're talking like five grand and below, basically. In essence, what car would you buy for five grand and below?

[C]

Buy some of that because they're also underappreciated. Like a lot of $5,000 cars. If you want an Accord or a Civic or whatever, you pay a large premium because those are known for being quite reliable. The Ford Focus of that generation doesn't have that reputation. But it's all because of a single point of failure that you can avoid. Not all, but it's largely because of

[A]

that, I think in general. One thing I have learned, and we talked about this a couple podcasts ago, is that a lot of like these survivors, like Chrysler, like products like low mileage, like you can buy low, they're not worth anything.

[C]

They're not.

[A]

And I think. And those are cool and interesting, you. It doesn't. They don't have many miles on them. So how unreliable can they be?

[C]

No comment.

[A]

I. I think they're interesting. I mean, you fix them for not a whole lot of money. A lot of these cars. I don't really know what to search for to bring which. What example bun of your safe surges.

[C]

I'll tell you that actually, no. A cayenne turbo you can gift like T10 15, can you.

[B]

Or in like an ML55 you can

[A]

buy for about ML55 is a good one. Oh, you know what I mean?

[B]

Get the 500 and you have locking defs.

[A]

Do you remember this? C55. C55. AMGs are really inexpensive in that like general.

[B]

I mean, this is starting to become bad financial advice.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I still think the move is the cheapest EV you can lease. Oh, 150 bucks a month, 200 bucks a month.

[C]

You can get something.

[B]

No maintenance costs. It's like, like you don't have to take five grand out of pocket. You're just cash flowing 200 bucks.

[C]

I don't disagree with any of that.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

That's a good point.

[B]

Mow some lawns, clean some pools. You'll pay that off.

[C]

I do legitimately for especially car people do feel like Ken and to your point the not as well known for being reliable brands often have reliable cars that you just need to know a little bit more about and that that's a great move. Oh that LW1.

[A]

Yes. Yeah this one. I mean there's a good example I

[B]

wish someone would do a review on want rough Saturn.

[C]

A recent somebody look how, look how

[A]

nice this one was like yeah that's a nice like well kept car but nobody cares about these. That's 71, 72,000 miles y that, that,

[C]

that is an excellent choice. I can't see you in one but that's an excellent.

[A]

No no but like in that situ like yeah I think that's, that's a great choice. Sub 5 grand.

[C]

I picked a manual car but it's okay that you picked an automatic.

[A]

Well you know I beggars get your choosers just I guess but like well I mean here, look.

[C]

There you go.

[A]

Manual.

[C]

Love these.

[B]

Why don't you just.

[A]

You can still participate in Radwood and be like cool. It's. I know it's a little bit beyond the age range but you'd be accepted.

[B]

Steal a Kia or Hyundai using a USB drive.

[C]

That's also an option. It's illegal.

[A]

Great consumer advice from Nick. As usual.

[B]

Cheapest.

[C]

All right, we're going to do two final questions. One of them is going to be really, really quick but it's a good, good question from Z51 Stingray. Why do you call the Veyron the Vey when the better option would be the Ron?

[A]

Because Ron is a guy who shows up to like it's like a plumber's name. Like I just want to like the VAY is like there's no. You know what I'm talking about when I say the vay. It's such a ridiculous name anyway. I know it's named after their test driver and stuff like that but is it the Ron is just like not at the Oak. I'm looking for for a supercar of that magnitude. The Concorde of our automotive generation know fair.

[B]

Yeah I agree.

[A]

Ron is a nice guy. He's helpful.

[B]

In college I, I rushed a frat and they Mistakenly wrote down my name as Rick instead of Nick, and it stuck for, like, a year. And I couldn't convince them, and I don't know why, but, like, Nick is such a better name than Rick.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I. I don't. And I feel the same way with Ron. Like, VAY is just a better name. I. I don't. I don't know how it feels.

[A]

It just feels right, you know, you're

[C]

just against the letter R. Yeah, maybe.

[B]

Unless it's a last.

[C]

All right, I'm gonna take a variant of Tucker. BE's question. He asked specifically what is worse, the P38 or the L320. But the question I'm going to change this to, because I want to raise is Nick and only Nick. Please rank the Range Rover generations from best to worst.

[A]

We've been asked this previously.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We never got yours.

[C]

We never got Nick's take. Which boy will it be wrong.

[B]

Yeah. I don't. That is a tough one. I love them all. This is like picking your favorite channel.

[A]

I know it's hard. You're gonna put P38 as number one, which is wrong.

[B]

No, no. I. I do think. I feel strongly the P38 is better than the RRC and the market is wrong.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

The P38 is a better RRC in every way. Just doesn't look as old. That's. It's only a downgrade.

[C]

And keep going, please.

[B]

I think the L405 is the best, especially in cabriolet format. It's just such a good value.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The L322. I've never driven one, so I don't know. But where you going put it? So I'll put it slightly above the P38. So I'm going 405, 322 RRC. And then the new one can be last.

[C]

The L416.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Wow. That's a surprisingly not that controversial take. I really thought we were gonna have P38 at the very top. I forgot. He just bought.

[B]

I've spent months trying to get this P38 check engine light to go away. Months. Like, I. I plan to release a video on this, like, a year ago, and I'm still battling it, and I think it's finally getting me to my, like, a little bit off the P38 high horse.

[A]

Thank God. I. Like, I'm stunned that you're stunned. Sorry. This is gonna be difficult. Like, you were given a P38.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What did you think was gonna happen? We all told you. You said this in the entire Car. We were all in the same car at the time. Erupted saying, nick, don't do this.

[B]

I agree. Although it is, like, a weird, sentimental thing my kids have. Yeah.

[A]

But get one that, like, is, like, nice.

[B]

I should have done that.

[C]

No, because he would have still spent the 15 grand in maintenance on it. Just. He would have had to also pay for the car.

[B]

Yeah, I do. I do agree that a nice one is still going to be expensive to own. But, yeah, had I won the other Borrego One there, that 10,250, I was the under bidder at 10 grand. That might have been a better starting point.

[A]

Have I proven nothing to you? You start with a nice one. Make it nice.

[B]

What's. What's great about the P38 too, though. You can work on it so easily. Like, I did the injectors myself. I did all these things myself. Like, it's. Compared to, like, the Arnage, it's just so DIY friendly. And look at that thing.

[C]

What are you into your P38?

[B]

It doesn't matter.

[C]

Can you share what you told our friend group earlier today? What color do you think you might wrap? 38.

[B]

My buddy has a Tesla that got wrapped in Tijuana. So I hit them up and I'm like, hey, what did they charge you? And then I reach out to them for $1,350, they will wrap it yellow. And it's not using, like, S Stack or xpel. It's like Cheetah or something like that. Is the brand great. And for an extra $100, they'll meet me at the border and do that. That part themselves. But I kind of want to, like,

[C]

you have a yellow 1.

[B]

The P38 looks like the easiest to wrap car I've ever seen, so I don't think you could screw it up that bad. And, like, then I could have my yellow one back again, but without.

[A]

You never should have sold this car. You sold it too soon.

[C]

Would you go for Vitess yellow or Borrego yellow?

[B]

I think I go, they're the same.

[A]

Let me put.

[B]

No, I think they're different. Different. Cheetah is not made with whatever Cheetah makes. Yeah, bright yellow.

[C]

Fair enough. The Vitessa, by the way, was AA yellow, apparently.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You should choose a better color yellow. What if you do? Does Cheetah offer Cheetah print that's like a little yellow?

[B]

I think they charge extra if it's a print, and I don't want to spend any more than I have to on this car.

[C]

You can't make it A color that's

[B]

so red like Michael Jordan's. P38 is also appealing, but yellow is kind of my thing.

[A]

We have to end this conversation. Aneurysm.

[C]

We really do.

[A]

All right, Nick, thank you for joining us. A pleasure, as always.

[C]

Are we saying thank you for that?

[A]

You know, he still wonders why he's called crazy. Nick, I go podcast.

[B]

Perfect. A very rational human.

[C]

All right, well, thank you for listening to what is certainly the best ever podcast.

[A]

Best podcast we've ever done.

[C]

Doug will be back. Right.

[A]

Normality will and I will be gone.

[C]

Goodbye. Rest in peace.

[A]

All right, thank you all so much for watching and listening.

[B]

Goodbye. Goodbye.