New Ferrari Revealed! Mercedes Announces Dream DougCar, We Sold a Manual Cayenne for $125k?!

Summary

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Episode: New Ferrari Revealed! Mercedes Announces Dream DougCar, We Sold a Manual Cayenne for $125k?!

Date: September 12, 2025
Guests/Hosts: Doug DeMuro (host), Kenan, Filippo

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Overview

This episode is packed with breaking automotive news, deep dives into the car auction market, candid analysis of new car debuts (Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, Polestar), and the crew’s signature banter. Highlights include the astonishing $125,000 sale of a manual Porsche Cayenne, the reveal of Ferrari’s wild new 849 Testarossa, major moves from Mercedes and BMW in the EV SUV wars, and classic market talk (Trans Am, ATS-V). Doug, Kenan, and Filippo bring sharp insights, personal stories, and plenty of laughs for a passionate car enthusiast audience.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Record Manual Cayenne Auction: The $125,500 Porsche

[00:54 - 08:49]

• Doug recounts how their auction of a 2014 Jet Green manual Porsche Cayenne soared to $125,500, likely an all-time record.
  • “This is probably a record price for a manual Cayenne.” — Doug [01:29]
  • Factors: rare “jet green” color, low miles (60k), unique options (RS Spider wheels, premium package), last model year, provenance.
  • Auction battle was “legit”—both high bidders were real, not shill bids. Seller (a known Fort Worth dealer) shocked at result.
  • Implications: Not all manual Cayennes will command such numbers; rarity, color, condition critical.
  • Filippo: “This is not necessarily a replicable result... Maybe no other is worth $100k.” [04:47]
  • Doug disagrees, saying, “I actually think so. We’ve sold 43 manual Cayennes." [04:57]
• Discussion on variants: First-gen V6s are “just used cars” ($7,900 sale cited), GTS manuals can rise higher; second-gen V6 (like the record car) fetch most.
• Why the Porsche world goes nuts: “When you get a car with some distinguishing features... it’s going to have a big effect.” — Doug [07:53]
• Not all special auction results are market-changing; often just two passionate bidders.

2. Ferrari Stuns: The 849 Testarossa

[08:50 - 16:24]

• Ferrari reveals a new hybrid supercar: 849 Testarossa, replacing the underperforming SF90.
  • “The Testarossa is back.” — Kenan [08:53]
  • “It’s a thousand horsepower, right?” — Doug [09:04]
  • Discussion of heritage (849 = V8, 499cc per cylinder). Unlike 80s Testarossa, new car has little visual connection to its namesake.
  • SF90’s problems: “...just didn’t look that different... It was too expensive and too produced.” — Doug [10:26]
  • Hopes are high that the 849 will hold value better, thanks to bold styling and (hopefully) lower production.
  • “This is what the SF90 should have been.” — Kenan [14:47]
  • Used SF90s “sell for $200k under sticker” — a shocking change for Ferrari.
• Design talk: Ferrari’s philosophy of forward-thinking, not retro; praise for unique touches and evolving design language.
• Release timeline: Europe mid-2026, US one year later.

3. Mercedes G-Class Cabriolet Returns—Doug’s Dream Car

[17:39 - 25:47]

• Doug’s excitement: “I have become famously associated with my G Cabriolet... bought it for $133,000.” [17:49]
  • Mercedes brings back the G-Class Cabriolet amid sky-high demand for old models (used ones selling for $400k).
  • Doug is on the dealer’s first list but with conditions: pricing ($200-250k), not an “ultra-expensive thing,” and—crucially—“It can’t be douchey.” [19:58]
  • Hopes for a regular G550 version, worries it’ll be blinged-out G63 only.
  • Technical musings: four-door convertible is ultra-rare; major engineering for rigidity expected.
  • Nostalgia for the quirky, ugly-but-charming cabriolets of the past.

4. Mercedes & BMW: New EV SUV Battles

[25:53 - 35:00]

Mercedes GLC EV

• New GLC-sized EV for US: “Finally, they have an actual EV version.” — Filippo [26:27]
• Not part of failed “EQ” branding, more rational styling, 400ish miles range (estimated US EPA 300ish).
• “Appealing, and I applaud Mercedes... more rational, retreating from the EQ thing.” — Doug [28:30]

BMW iX3 Neue Klasse

• BMW’s new iX3 coming US in 2026 at under $60k, “108 kWh, about 400 miles of range.” — Kenan [32:24]
• Sleek, less blobby design, “smaller grilles,” preview of future BMW styling.
• “I do think there is some pent-up demand for luxury-ish or near-luxury EV SUVs.” — Filippo [34:15]
• Both companies finally delivering competitive range as US market for EVs softens.

5. Polestar 5 Debuts—But Who’s Buying Sedans?

[35:18 - 39:13]

• The Polestar 5 sedan launches with wild design (no rear window!), big power (872 HP), 400+ miles range (WLTP).
• Group doubts US and European market appeal: sedans fading, Chinese demand remains.
  • “No single human will buy one [here].” — Filippo [36:01]
  • “It’s not a successful car.” — Doug, regarding both Polestar and Lucid Air [38:46]
• Broader EV sedan market struggles: Lucid, Taycan, E-Tron GT—all sell with massive incentives.

6. Porsche 911 Turbo S Revealed—Now a 700hp Hybrid

[39:24 - 43:59]

• New Turbo S: “700 horsepower, 0-60 in 2.5 seconds, Nürburgring lap 7:03.9.” — Kenan [39:30]
• E-turbos eliminate lag; performance “insane,” price also high ($272k+).
• Yet, 911 Turbos don’t hold value like GT3/GTS; bargains exist on previous-gen models.
  • “You kind of... it’s like you have to know to know.” — Kenan [40:33]
  • Group reminisces over how used Turbos can be had for far less than sticker.
• Porsche’s endless options/configurators, even for watches: “$11,292 for the Chronograph 911 Turbo.” — Kenan [43:05]
  • Doug chides the company’s “Starbucks” approach to builds: “I would love Porsche so much if it wasn’t for... this.” [43:11]

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Memorable Quotes & Notable Moments

“All it takes are two people who really want it, and you end up with a bidding war that has 150 bids...”
— Kenan [07:35]

“These are unusual and people pay for unusual, especially in the Porsche world.”
— Doug [07:53]

“The beauty of an auction is all it takes are two people who really want it.”
— Kenan [07:35]

“SF90’s biggest problem, in my opinion, was... it just didn’t look that different from a regular production Ferrari.”
— Doug [10:26]

“If you had $50 million and you were a Porsche enthusiast... this was the most unusual example of a special Porsche.”
— Doug [04:03]

“You know what it can't do? Hold its value.”
— Doug, on the new Turbo S [40:45]

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Timestamps for Segment Highlights

| Topic | Start Time | End Time | |--------------------------------------|------------|------------| | Manual Cayenne $125k Sale | [00:54] | [08:49] | | 849 Testarossa Ferrari Reveal | [08:50] | [16:24] | | Mercedes G-Class Cabriolet Returns | [17:39] | [25:47] | | Mercedes GLC EV & BMW iX3 | [25:53] | [35:00] | | Polestar 5: Is the Sedan Dead? | [35:18] | [39:13] | | Porsche 911 Turbo S Hybrid | [39:24] | [43:59] | | Talk Cars Segment (including Ford GTD, Everest, Bill of Rights plate) | [46:05] | [55:54] | | Market Report & Notable Sales | [62:03] | [68:09] | | Audience Q&A | [68:15] | [83:38] |

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Talk Cars Segment: Press Cars, Oddities, and Personal Stories

[46:05 - 55:54]

• Doug tries the Ford Mustang GTD (under embargo: “I’m not allowed to talk about how it drives, but... This thing is ballin’.” [47:03])
• Resurgence of interest in odd and practical cars, e.g., Ford Everest (not US-sold—“Why are you not selling this in the United States?” — Doug [52:02]).
• Nostalgia and collector car culture: rare license plates, quirks of the used Trans Am and ATS-V markets discussed.

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Market Talk: Bargains & Oddballs

[62:03 - 68:09]

• Firebird Trans Am: “$26,000 is a deal for that. At the same time, it’s so expensive for a Firebird Trans Am.” — Filippo [62:18]
• Cadillac ATS-V: “Low $30k for 465 HP. This is still a really legitimate car.” — Doug [65:00]
• Manual transmission cars in general seen as holding strong value near their “floors.”

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Audience Q&A: Community Engagement

[68:15 - end]

• Durability tests: “I would love an XJ220 durability tested. EB110 durability." — Doug [69:12]
• If manuals never existed in favorite cars: “If there was never a Carrera GT... I guess I would have got an F40.” — Doug [71:05]
• On “beef” with other YouTubers: “I am super supportive and I want everybody else to have kind of the same opportunities I had.” — Doug [74:05]
• Kenan’s Ferrari 355 journey: Inspired by childhood dream, financed with both savings and a low-rate loan, learned lessons about buying the right car, and plans to return to 355 ownership with a better buy. [75:45]
• Favorite “everyday” cars: Doug suggests the Accord Hybrid; Filippo picks the Golf GTI or Hyundai Ioniq 5 for all-around utility.
• YouTube content & trends: Short-form video killing discovery for traditional automotive channels, but long-form content survives for some. [81:50+]

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Tone and Style

The podcast features lively, candid conversation with expert-level automotive analysis, running inside jokes among hosts, sharp takes, nerdy details, and plenty of classic Doug wit (“It can’t be douchey, which is a tough thing for a G Wagon not to be” [19:53]). Segues between breaking news, personal opinions, and audience engagement create a highly engaging and approachable listen—even for those who missed the show.

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Transcript

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[Doug]

Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[Kenan]

I'm Kenan.

[Filippo]

I'm Filippo.

[Doug]

Let's start with the news. The biggest news story of the week is our Cayenne manual sale. I say that because it was covered on some news organization.

[Kenan]

Every that and every single person who's in the car has texted me and sent me this and wanted to know.

[Doug]

What Hooby was texting me. We sold. All right, here's what happened. I was in Palm Springs. I'm driving back from Palm Springs and I get this text. This Emmanuel Cayenne is going crazy. And we have this jet green manual Cayenne on the site 2014. And it sold in the end after what, 45 minutes of bidding? Was it our longest ever?

[Filippo]

No, but it was close.

[Doug]

For $125,500. Now I want to cover this as a news story for our viewers. Number one, this is probably a record price for Emmanuel Cayenne. Yeah, well, I think of that. But when they were new, some people equipped them to about this. There were a few out there that have this level of spec.

[Filippo]

Imagine.

[Doug]

It was generally agreed when I worked at Porsche that the manual Cayennes were typically equipped more like S's than bases. But there were some people who went crazy with specs.

[Filippo]

MSRP was on this specific one.

[Doug]

63, 64.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Okay, so there's that. Yeah, probably an all time manual Cayenne record.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And then there was also. It's an unbelievable situation. I want to be clear. These manual Cayennes, we've talked before on this podcast about how they have been selling for more and more, but that was like 50,000.

[Kenan]

50, 60, maybe 60 would have been.

[Doug]

High in My mind for a general manual Cayenne. Now, this particular one was unusual. This particular one is jet green.

[Filippo]

Good car.

[Doug]

The vast majority of these were silver, black, you know, but green was offered on the Cayenne. And so apparently people did it. And it was also pretty low miles. Some miles were like in the 60s. Most of these were bought to be driven. And so were driven. Yep. And when we see them come on the site, they often have 120,000 miles, 130, not that that's used up, but you're not going to pay top dollar for a car at that mileage level. And obviously the fact there's a manual had some cool options like that. You can see the wood trim with the dual little things there and premium plus package Y. It was a nice car. RS Spider wheels, which are the best looking wheel on that Cayenne. It was a nice car. And it's a 14, which is the final model year that the manual Cayenne was offered. Nonetheless, 125,500 is a lot of money. Now, there was a lot of speculation, as there is whenever there's one of these sales on our auction site or on one of the others, we won't name names that, you know it's not real or this or that. But this car did transact. Yep, we know that. I know the seller personally. I haven't talked to him in a long time, but he sells cars in Fort Worth. He sells. On our site. He sells a bunch of stuff. Nothing's gone crazy like this for him before. He was as shocked as we were. The car transacted on a different auction site years ago. Years ago. A different one for a lot less something to consider, but it's a special car and these manual kinds have become more special. I will also say that not only was the high bidder legit, he followed through and bought the car and paid for it. But the second bidder, we. We googled that person's name. That person is also legit. These people were not in any sort of weird.

[Kenan]

This is a true battle.

[Doug]

It was a true battle for a car that you know you're never going to find again. And a lot of the Internet commenters are, oh, I can't believe it. Well, let me tell you something. If you had $50 million and you were a Porsche enthusiast and you really wanted the ultimate Porsches, you could look at this and say, this was the most unusual example of a special Porsche. These people are willing to pay $6 million for a 19 Spider because it's white I mean that's even crazy. I watched those results and that's way crazier to me than this, trust me. But it happens. And weird things like this happen when there, when there are cars that are really, really desired and really hard to find.

[Filippo]

It also it's tough because you can't. We've had many manual kinds. All the manual kinds ever built probably at this point submitted to us as.

[Doug]

A result, how many manual we're about to have?

[Filippo]

Everything we will have pull it up. The reality is that this is not necessarily a replicable result. Right. Like there will not. They're not all worth $125,000. Maybe no other is worth 100.

[Doug]

Oh no, I disagree. I actually think so. We've sold 43 manual kinds. One of the funny things about is there were three different manual Cayennes. Okay.

[Filippo]

Yeah, there were.

[Doug]

There was the first gen V6 which.

[Filippo]

We sold one of last week.

[Doug]

There was the second gen or there was the first gen GTS with a V8 and then there was the third gen V6. There was the only three manual Cayennes. They never did a diesel, they never did a turbo. There's a lot of speculation. Never happened.

[Filippo]

And they made about three.

[Doug]

They're not a lot of total. The funny thing I think is the first gen V6 go back up to the top. They are just used cars. They sell for very little. We sold this one for $7,900. Yeah, tough. It's just a used car. The market does not appreciate it. The first gen V8, the GTS manual, they bring some money, but most of those have really been miled up with that one.

[Filippo]

But our second highest manual Cayenne result is a first gen GTS at 50.

[Doug]

Probably a lower mile car I imagine. Probably like A. Yeah, 69,000 miles. That's getting hard to find. A lot of these are now at 150,000 miles, badly modded, etc. This was a nice one. Honestly. You know what, go back the. The that one, which I think is that. Is that umber? No, that. That was Auburn metallic.

[Filippo]

That was a deal at this point. That is a deal. But at the time that was like, that was close to like the record auction.

[Doug]

It was a good number. I actually. And these are the, these are the big. The 21s. I actually really think that that that sale is rep. Can be replicated. There are manual Cayennes out there. I know this from my time working at Porsche. There are manual Cayennes out there with more unusual builds than this one. The question Is what happened to them and will the person ever sell? And does it have 500,000 on it? You know, has it been. Has it been badly modded or crashed or whatever?

[Kenan]

So if you know someone with a stock Peridot green manual Cayenne, they would.

[Doug]

Yeah, I guess Peridot could have been. You could have done paint to sample on it. Although I don't know if they offered paint to sample back then. But the closest you could get there are probably yellow ones. There are. Because that was a standard color. Sand yellow. Sand yellow. There are greens. Certainly there are some unusual ones out there.

[Filippo]

So, you know, it's clearly a rising tide.

[Doug]

Rising tide with some big waves, big sale, but legitimate sale, legitimate seller who is a legit guy and sells a bunch of stuff. Legit buyer paid for it. Just a crazy thing. This doesn't. This is not that unusual. No, obviously, for a manual Cayenne, it is not that unusual.

[Filippo]

The right people.

[Doug]

It's not that unusual for a very special. You'll never find another type of car to get more money than it ought to. And I was actually kind of surprised by the response from people. Anybody who's really shocked by this probably isn't paying that close of attention to auction results. We are. We watch our site, we watch the other sites. We see this happen sometimes.

[Kenan]

Ultimately, as. As I've always said, the beauty of an auction is all it takes are two. Two people who really want it. And you end up with a bidding war that has 150 bids. They were going to have like $500 increments. The one guy tried to fake him out and said, I'm done. I'm done. And then bam, Hit him with another bid. It was. It was so good to watch.

[Doug]

It was good quality programming.

[Filippo]

It was.

[Doug]

And this is a. This is a special car. It really is. These are unusual and. And people pay for unusual, especially in the Porsche world. I've always said this, the Porsche world, to be. If we're being honest with ourselves, the cars are not really all that different. And so when you get a car that has. Specifically, this is why they get so into the stitching and the leather and the colors, because the cars are not really all that different. And when you get a car that has some distinguishing features like this, it's going to have some. It's going to have a big effect. It just is. So there you go. Kenan, did you think about buying it?

[Kenan]

Absolutely. Well, not at that number.

[Doug]

I did. When the. When the. When it came across, I saw his reserve and I Know him. And I thought about texting him, being like, hey, man, I think you're strong. Like, I'll just. I'll give you 35. I legit thought about that. Like, it'd be fun to have this car. And 35. I was hoping that would do it.

[Filippo]

Yeah. I'm glad he held out. Turns out, don't accept offer from your friends.

[Doug]

100 short.

[Kenan]

That's okay. It happens, right?

[Filippo]

Yeah. Right.

[Kenan]

All right, moving on to the next news story.

[Doug]

The next news story is the big one. Ken. And you read about this?

[Kenan]

Of course I did. The Testarossa is back.

[Doug]

The 849 Testarossa?

[Kenan]

Yes. You know, funny, it doesn't look much like the old one, but then again, that one didn't look like the one that came before.

[Doug]

Where does the number come from? Is that. Where does that number come from? I haven't. Of all the stuff I've read about this car. What? Yeah, it's more. It's got like a thousand horsepower, right? It's like a thousand, right?

[Kenan]

It's a thousand and something. Yeah.

[Doug]

Oh. Oh. 8 stands for the V8. And 4, 9 is 499cc displacement per cylinder.

[Kenan]

Just like the old days. Yeah.

[Doug]

Okay, so the 849 Testarossa, this replaces the SF90.

[Kenan]

Yes.

[Doug]

Do you think it will be as unsuccessful as the SF90 has been?

[Kenan]

No, because it looks different. Very, very, very different from the standard car. This is going to push SF90 values way down.

[Filippo]

That's so true.

[Doug]

Even, like already now people know that this is coming.

[Kenan]

Well, look how it looks so cool. It is odd, like, there are no callbacks to the Testarossa. That's so famous from the 80s. But like I said, there was a TestaRossa in the 50s and those two cars do not share anything in common except that they have 12 cylinder engines.

[Doug]

And it does have some callbacks to that. There's a little bit of a pontoon, There's a little bit of a cockpit shape.

[Kenan]

It has more callbacks to, like the 512s, like the race cars, like the prototype race cars.

[Doug]

Don't you agree?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Filippo knows what I'm talking about, Ken.

[Filippo]

Ken's right. We've all been thinking about it.

[Doug]

It's okay.

[Kenan]

Enjoy your nap. It'll be fun. Nonetheless, this is a really exciting car. It is interesting though, because they say they did a lot of modifications to the engine and the chassis are very different. But ultimately it's a hybrid, very powerful V8 Ferrari. The difference between this and the SF90, like I said, Is they made it look special.

[Doug]

The SF90's biggest problem, in my opinion, was two to threefold. Number one, undoubtedly was that it just didn't look that different from a regular production Ferrari. Like, I to this day, trouble telling apart an F8 on an SF90 when I see them. And one was three times more expensive. But the other problems were it was too expensive and it was too produced. The production numbers were too high. And the result has been an unbelievable drop on the used market. I'm not sure style alone will get this car in a better position. I would also suggest to Ferrari, if you're listening, probably don't produce it in such high numbers. I think your clients will appreciate that also. Yeah, I also think it looks really cool. There's a lot of comments. Oh, it looks like this. It's ugly, it's weird. Ferrari. One thing I think Ferrari does well, as much as we would love a retro, Ferrari has always been like, no, we're next. We are. We set the trends. Like, we don't look back. We set the new trend right now.

[Kenan]

Of course, every car since the 458 has been a little derivative of the 458, but you are correct. Generally they like, well, yeah, so was the 250, you know, the California. But nonetheless, these cars, I agree with that statement wholeheartedly. I also think that they do like to throw now little touches in from the past, which I really like. The 296 has the like 250LM haunches.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Kenan]

The Dodeci Chilindri has the front end of the Daytona. Some of us feel it should have been called the Daytona, but, oh, wow, we'll move on maybe.

[Doug]

You know the SB3 is called the Daytona, right?

[Kenan]

Which of course, it doesn't look anything like a Daytona. They just use the names because they have to keep the trademark active. Probably they probably could use that. Probably do that a little bit more strategically. But nonetheless, this is a very exciting car.

[Filippo]

Are you excited about it? Because you've come out and said, I don't like modern Ferrari. I don't like that it's hybrid. I don't like that it's not.

[Kenan]

I mean, whatever.

[Filippo]

Are you excited about this?

[Kenan]

My opinion doesn't matter because I'm not a fan of this car. Obviously, most people, we both agree that.

[Doug]

It would be cooler if it was a nav 12, a manual transmission, et cetera.

[Filippo]

Are you excited about it?

[Doug]

Personally, I am. I think it looks awesome. I think it has a thousand horsepower. I think the SF90 has been a total dud. And I'm happy to see Ferrari putting in some new investment and new thought into this and realizing where they went wrong with that car and clearly giving this more of an exotic, special look. I think that's a big deal. I'm certainly much more, Much more excited about this than I ever have been about SF90. Even when SF90 was first revealed, I feel like this is just way cooler.

[Kenan]

This makes a little bit more sense. I still don't know exactly where it kind of fits in into the hierarchy. That's a little.

[Doug]

It'll just be an SF90 replacement, right?

[Kenan]

But I still don't know where that fit into the hierarchy. It's like, it's super, but it isn't. It's like, I. I still don't know. At least this looks cool. But it is also interesting to see Ferrari's new design language. Like, they're continuing with that stripe across the front like they have for the.

[Doug]

Let me tell you how. I'll tell you how I evolved on the 12 cylindre. I first saw it, and I was very skeptical, as I think a lot of people were. I first saw pictures. Then I had that green one that we reviewed in the office, and I was into it. And last week I saw one in person, and I like. I was like, damn, it looks. It looks. Whether or not it's beautiful, it is so striking. Like, wow, what am I looking at, right? This is cool.

[Kenan]

I think that with a lot of automotive design, you also. You really have to wait till you see it in person, because pictures, you know, as the saying goes, don't do it justice. And Ferrari press pictures, as we discussed in our friend group, are bizarre.

[Doug]

Ferrari press pictures are always weird. They're always AI. They've been doing AI since before AI was a thing. And they always. A lot of them, usually it's a black background. This is on some sort of. Is that a racetrack or is that a building back there?

[Kenan]

I could.

[Doug]

It's an unusual thing. It's a racetrack next to a building that just goes upward. You don't want to crash on this particular racetrack.

[Kenan]

Maybe there's. Could be near a Runway. I can't.

[Doug]

The point is, their pictures are always a little weird. I think seeing a car in light next to normal cars kind of gives it a little bit more context as to how special it is.

[Kenan]

They couldn't have Photoshopped out those parking balls.

[Doug]

I think they like them there to imply that it's like a competition situation, because I don't think this entire Picture is real. Nothing about it including the car, but 1036 horsepower plug in, hybrid V8. Yes, a V12 would be cooler. That's not the direction we're going. It's just a new SF90 that is, that is maybe going to solve some of the problems of the old SF90.

[Filippo]

And which is namely style and convertible.

[Doug]

By the way.

[Kenan]

What the SF90 should have been from this, probably.

[Doug]

Probably something more distinct, something more special. I think if it had been, it would have been at least done a little better on the used market. There would be more desire around it. The only desire around the SF90 that I see is from people who are not all that sophisticated in the car world and see it as like 200 grand off for a new Ferrari. And like this is a deal or people who are trying to get more Ferraris later.

[Kenan]

Well, like I said, now this is how people like Filippo are looking for a deal. That'll be the SF90.

[Doug]

I sold an SF90 the other day for. Not that much considering what its spec was.

[Filippo]

Just F500 for a $760,000 car. But that's what SF90s are worse.

[Doug]

When I was a kid. Oh yeah. No, I actually thought it was a strong number, but it was a cool.

[Filippo]

It's gonna go down. We agree.

[Doug]

When I was a child, there was no Ferrari that sold for under sticker. It wasn't like a thing. It didn't occur. Like a Ferrari came out, you waited three years, you bought one, if you wanted to flip it, you could make 50 grand or you could use it. It was very special that you were selected. The concept that these are just readily available for 200 under sticker is wild.

[Kenan]

Do you remember the gray market imports like all the 360s that were coming over early because you couldn't get them? Totally, totally all. Yep, not anymore.

[Filippo]

SF90 a bit of a failure, hopefully. The 849.

[Doug]

849 Testarossa, as we call it in Italian Formula Coupan Convertible, by the way. And they say sometime next year. It's going on sale mid 26. Mid 26. So a year from now, a little less, but that's probably Europe. So imagine, imagine all the other automotive YouTubers will have reviewed it in the spring of 26 and then I will get it sometime in 27 when it finally comes to America.

[Kenan]

Yep, January of 27. We'll be waiting.

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[Doug]

All right, move on. A lot of news this week. Big news this week is the revival of the G Class Cabriolet. So let's talk about it. Everybody's been asking me about it. I've been tagged in 4 billion Instagram posts about the new G Class Cabriolet. Mercedes Benz has announced the G Cabriolet return. I have become famously associated with my G Cabriolet. I have owned it now for six years. It'll be six years next month. And bought it. I bought mine for $133,000 and I think it's probably now worth. At one point I think it was worth $233,000. The market has become obsessed with this car, which is one of the points that Mercedes Benz used to bring it back. I watched an interview with some executive at Mercedes Benz who said the final edition cars were 150 when they were new and they now sell for 400. And so we see there's a groundswell, there's a market interest in and so we are returning. Everybody's been asking if I'm going to get one. I have gotten on my list at my Mercedes dealer. I'm first, as you should be. But I made two. Nothing was revealed about this car aside from this photo. And Mercedes said that it will come to the US and then it will be offered with their most popular powertrains.

[Filippo]

They have two.

[Doug]

Well, they have an electric.

[Filippo]

You're right. Mobile electric, we know that.

[Kenan]

So they use that powertrain very carefully.

[Doug]

I told Mercedes Benz, I told the dealer that I want to buy it. I want it under two very specific circumstances. Number one, that it is not a limited edition, ultra expensive thing. I think that this should be a 200 to 250 car based on where like the other G wagons are. That's like where I believe the pricing makes sense. However, the 4x4 squared that they sell now starts at 330 or it did before the axles were breaking and they can't sell it anymore. And if that's where. Something to think about. If that's where the Cabriolet is priced, no interest. Like if they make it a limited edition ultra high expensive thing, I'll sit it out and wait till it's used because I think it'll depreciate. Like the 4x4 squared has. The other condition is it can't be. And I don't know, I don't use this word, but I can't think of another word that describes this guy. It can't be douchey, which is a.

[Kenan]

Tough thing for G Wagon not to be.

[Doug]

My hope is that they come with a regular G550 that has those stronger than the 1980s wheels and orange turn signals and like old school colors and like not a lot of bling.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug]

My presumption is that it will be a G63 and it will have all of the accoutrements that you'd expect from a G63 and the people that that goes with. In which case I have no interest in owning the car, but it would be cool as hell. It looks like it's going to be a four door, which would be really great for me with my children. Right. My method of getting my kids in mine is I lift them over the side of the car which has a. Has a shelf life. They get too big for that Y. So there you go. The G Cabriole Libra chart. Are you excited?

[Filippo]

I am excited for you.

[Doug]

I never thought this would happen. My presumption always was that, you know, they're supply constrained. They built this car in Graz in Austria and they're supply constrained. There's so much demand for the G and there always has been that I never thought they would, would bother with this stupid kind of novelty body style because there's just so much interest in the four door. And what's the point of going to the trouble of developing this when you can just sell four doors? But here we are.

[Filippo]

You'd Buy an electric one, wouldn't you?

[Doug]

If it was offered, I would consider it. My current, my current thought is that if I bought this I would sell my, my old one and my sequoia.

[Filippo]

And sell it across the country.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug]

Cuz I think if I sold those two I could probably get about as much money as what I'm hoping this sells. Well.

[Kenan]

I like to think that it'll be more refining than his current one. So the top's and go flap, flap, flap, flap, flap, flap, flap as you're driving along the highway. But of course they're so proud of the design.

[Doug]

It's going to be ugly. We all know it's going to be ugly. There's no question be ugly. But that's been true. That was true. The previous one didn't seem to stop people from paying up. I mean he's right. Final. The Mercedes exec is right. Final editions do sell for $400,000 and even the one I have, California legal is probably a 200 car.

[Filippo]

It's going to be a large top.

[Doug]

It'll be a large top. I did notice that the front is a lit that there's a little bit of a roof on the front section.

[Kenan]

Are you worried this won't be like the Landaulet where it's just like the back is a convertible and the front isn't.

[Doug]

You know the Landaulet uses the same top from mine. Did you know that? Pull up a picture of the Landaulet. This is going to blow your mind. The Landaulet which was the other G convertible, they made G650 landaulet that car. If you actually look at a side profile image this, you can pull up, pull up this one.

[Filippo]

Yeah, that looks like.

[Doug]

So you see the weird triangle window. The only thing it's missing is the regular cab had a triangle window in the top and they didn't put the laundry. But the reason the lawn delay doesn't have a top over the front seats is because they simply reused the two door G cabriolet top and pulled it back. And so the lawn delay literally just has my car's top. That's all it is is go back to the.

[Kenan]

The.

[Doug]

What are the great secrets of the whole thing?

[Kenan]

Well, it's nice knowing you can always get canvas for yourself.

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kenan]

Sorry.

[Filippo]

What you go back to the. The photo from Mercedes.

[Kenan]

Uhhuh.

[Doug]

This will not be the case.

[Filippo]

There is a little bit of overhang.

[Doug]

There is a little bit of overhang but there's. This is clearly going to be a longer roof. Now convertible, four door Is very rare in the car industry. I can't think of any convertible four. I mean the Jeep Wrangler, but in the Bronco. But they don't have power top convertible.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

If you power top convertible, four door.

[Filippo]

Can't think of.

[Doug]

They happen. They exist. But they're old days. They used to do it 60s, 70s, but very, very, very rare. There usually becomes issues of structural rigidity. And also it's just a lot of top to fold up and to do all that. My assumption is they'll have bars going across the middle. They just basically have to. For rigidity. But anyway, I'm excited. Filippo's excited.

[Filippo]

I am excited.

[Doug]

Are you sure? This car has been a staple in our lives. I've done 30,000 miles in mine in hours, let's say.

[Filippo]

Yeah. What a day.

[Doug]

What a life. Spent endless time.

[Filippo]

I spent a lot of time in it.

[Kenan]

It's the only car of yours. I'm actually scared to drive for the longest time. Until you got the career gt.

[Doug]

That was the one. I woke up that day that they announced this. I never would have expected that I would wake up and order it like and like get on a list for a new car. Like there is basically no new car short of Porsche making like a half million dollar manual transmission supercar that I was somehow qualified for.

[Filippo]

It doesn't count.

[Doug]

No. Like a mid engine, like real thing.

[Filippo]

A mid engine is that it's like distinct.

[Doug]

This is the only thing that I could have possibly. That could have possibly gotten me up off my pedestal of not getting the.

[Filippo]

New Defender when it came out.

[Doug]

Yeah. Years ago. But like I'm. I'm off any of that stuff. Right. Kenny, you have any thoughts about this? This is a big deal.

[Kenan]

It is. I'd like to see some more pictures of it and you know, not really.

[Filippo]

You won't want to in due time.

[Doug]

Don't you agree it's going to be too blinged out. I'm going to bail.

[Kenan]

Absolutely.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

The thing is they, they. I think they will offer a G550 version for other markets.

[Doug]

At least I hope.

[Filippo]

And then you import it, title it as a G63.

[Doug]

Yeah. It's that easy.

[Filippo]

Yeah. They are in Europe doing Stronger than the 1980s without the trim package. Like the same, very similar wheels, colors, other design touches in packages in Europe. So I wouldn't hopefully they like try to combine those.

[Doug]

You could certainly like start modding it. But like I'm not, I'm not going. I'm not going to.

[Kenan]

That's a long road I just want.

[Doug]

To get a G550.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

With those five star wheels and like a convertible. I just don't want to look like the kind of person you want a.

[Filippo]

First gen 4x4 squared which was a G550, not a second gen 4x4 squared.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

They could do a normal one then do a mock trim that's gaudy on.

[Doug]

I'm sure they'll do that. I'm sure they'll do that. But it would be nice to do it to have a base engine. But my guess is they're going to want to milk this for real money if they went to the trouble development and to develop it and took and took took time off the line of building the four doors to build this stupid convertible. I bet you this thing is priced at 350 and I bet you it's going to be like fully spec. Crazy. Like off the charts, like weird.

[Filippo]

Maybe at the end of the production.

[Doug]

Line buy a used one in 10 years. Yep, that's how we do it. Okay, what's our next news story?

[Filippo]

Ooh, a different Mercedes.

[Doug]

This is a big one.

[Filippo]

This is a big grill. Yeah. This is the new GLC with EQ technology.

[Doug]

That's not what they're calling anymore though. Isn't it just glcev.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Eq, I thought.

[Doug]

No, I think they've given up the whole EQ thing. Everything.

[Filippo]

Every coverage I've seen GLC EQ is.

[Doug]

The right GLC with EQ technology. But, but, but sort of it's gonna, it, it's gonna be called GLC 400 formatic. And if you want to add the EQ technology, you can't.

[Filippo]

It's, it's there things that Ken needs to know about it. That's it. But what can be done with that sense?

[Doug]

No.

[Filippo]

So the GLC is Mercedes kind of small compact suv. Not the smallest, but in the small luxury space. Finally they have an actual EV version. They have not had an EV GLC in the US They've had a plug in hybrid but not a full ev. It is styled distinctively from the regular GLC a little bit, but it's still identifiable as 1. It's not the same rounded EQE thing. Yeah, 4. And most importantly, it has a giant display in the inside.

[Doug]

On the grill?

[Filippo]

No, no, on the outside super screen.

[Doug]

It has a huge available screen on the inside. But the grill, the main talking point. The grill lights up the grill.

[Filippo]

But they all light up now.

[Doug]

No, no, no, no. I know this is all.

[Filippo]

But this is just like the Inevitable progression. Mercedes started doing so I don't, I'm not gonna like talk about it. You know.

[Kenan]

Mercedes started doing a deal star, right? And then BMW did the whole light up grill situation and they thought no and they decided to make the slats.

[Filippo]

They saw that Faraday, the brand that cars has a screen inside the grill of their new minivan. They want it to go similar direction.

[Doug]

It is hard not to look at this and think Mercedes is trying to get a bit of a do over on the bad launch of the EQ vehicles over the last five years.

[Filippo]

And also the EQ vehicle I see most often is the GLB or the EQB as it were, which is like the smallest one. Because I think there is demand for a car in this size class, class that is electric and they are trying to seize on that. One interesting thing is this is also true of the other German manufacturers. They're not going for big power. All those like new upstart EV manufacturers just throw more motors and more power at it. They are not really doing that. I mean like it's powerful enough.

[Doug]

Well, the, there's one with 483 horsepower and they haven't announced AMG yet but.

[Filippo]

That'S like normal at this point, which I don't think is bad. It's good that they should be a little bit responsible and optimized for range, but it's.

[Doug]

The range thing is interesting. I read somewhere 400 and some miles.

[Filippo]

Of range on the WLTP, the European cycle. So call it 300 somewhere which is competitive 800 volt electrical architecture as it should be enough horsepower just like every other Jeep.

[Doug]

It looks appealing. And I applaud Mercedes for kind of retreating from the EQ thing which wasn't working and trying something different, which I think is more rational. Take a regular car you already make and just kind of reshape it a little. Like the Macan. However, the Macan EV isn't sound. Why would we think that this will happen?

[Filippo]

Because people that are buying the Mercedes EVs, they just want a luxury EV experience. They're not going for like nobody bought.

[Doug]

The eqe, which was great.

[Filippo]

It wasn't an attractive vehicle. It looked too different.

[Doug]

You get my point though.

[Filippo]

It wasn't on the right architecture. They didn't have enough range.

[Doug]

You get my point though. I just wonder realistically what the market truly is. Again, I applaud them for taking a step back and making a different decision where something was clearly not working. But I really don't necessarily see the.

[Filippo]

Market interest in this model Y's did you see around? This would be a competitor a little bit more expensive, but the same way that the GLC is more expensive than a crv.

[Doug]

Well, yeah. How many model Y's do you see around? Fine, but how many, how, how many any of the others do you see around?

[Filippo]

I think that the German manufacturer.

[Doug]

How many ZDX's you see around?

[Filippo]

A decent number?

[Doug]

Well, yeah, because they lease at 299 and that's the problem. These cars only move with massive incentive.

[Filippo]

And that's going to be a problem when the federal incentives end out end at the end of this month. But they need to have a product in the segment. They need to have a competitive product in the segment. Segment. This by all accounts will be a competitive product. Also. Europe is a better market for them on this. This is a large SUV by European standards. But nevertheless, Norway.

[Doug]

Yeah, I think Norway, because they can sell a lot of these in Norway.

[Kenan]

They're gonna dark in the winter. You got a lot.

[Filippo]

Especially northern Europe has done a better job of converting to EVs and this is a needs to be, it's a competitive space. And the GLC had an EV counterpart and it needed to be updated on that subject.

[Doug]

Move on to the next news story.

[Kenan]

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[Doug]

BMW.

[Kenan]

Yes. So BMW, not to be outdone, BMW announced. So they have the ix3 that's coming. This car isn't sure it's going to be the NA5 chassis. This car is coming to the United States in the summer. Yeah. BMW person. This car is coming to the US in the summer of 2026. And this allegedly is going to start at under 60 grand.

[Doug]

To be clear, this is the BMW's direct competitor, the car that we were just talking about. So they're. They're close. Close competitor.

[Kenan]

Right. And similar with range. This is a 108 kilowatt hour battery, about 400 miles of range. They're saying it's going to even have even better battery technology up. That's a 559 miles. And this is the neue class of stuff they've been teasing for a little bit while. For a little while. They said they're going to incorporate this technology into 40 new models by 2027.

[Filippo]

I know, that was wild.

[Doug]

Crazy.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

But nonetheless, I mean, I also think this is a pretty compelling car and shockingly, a more restrained front end from.

[Doug]

BMW, which is a, like, overall look to the rear. It's a little weird. I think it looks cool. I think it's generally like a cool, neat kind of like a neat, like modern, cool, exciting design.

[Filippo]

Less blobby than the GLC will.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

We asked for smaller grills and they delivered, which is rare.

[Filippo]

They're very like old.

[Doug]

I agree. Less. This actually looks like a modern, like kind of future Y sort of take.

[Kenan]

On this whole thing and similar thing to the Mercedes. There will be M versions of this, they said going for it, but of course not yet. But nonetheless, I think this is a pretty compelling car.

[Filippo]

Car.

[Doug]

It looks cool.

[Filippo]

The ix, as Doug is the only person that ever says but is true, is a Compelling product.

[Doug]

It's a compelling.

[Filippo]

It doesn't have quite enough range to be really compelling but they improved it with the refresh. This will too. The GLC will be fine. Acceptable as well if it gets over 400 miles of range. That would be segment leading the Q6E Tron has just which by the way.

[Doug]

They really are insistent. 400 miles range which would be really cool.

[Filippo]

Yeah, that's competitive. I mean it's finally the Germans coming out with competitive, competitive EV SUVs.

[Doug]

Yeah, right. When the market says that they don't want electric cars.

[Filippo]

Well, welcome to product life cycle timing.

[Doug]

It is interesting though. I would argue that they could have done this a while ago. All the Germans took such a slow play approach to electric cars and they wanted to kind of ease in and not give people the big power right away and not give people the big range right away and like just see if they could kind of gatekeep that at price points. And Tesla did all that immediately and as a result just like owned the owned and owns the whole segment at the same time.

[Filippo]

I do think there will, there is some pent up demand for luxury ish or like near luxury EV SUVs. The Acura ZDX isn't a compelling product. It's a Blazer.

[Doug]

But I can name a lot of these the Q4. I mean there's a lot.

[Filippo]

The Q4 woods. You've seen a Q4. That's all I'm going to say.

[Doug]

But what's your point?

[Filippo]

Like my point is I think there is demand for good products from these manufacturers to compete with the X3 with the regular GLC which do sell well. Well I think there are some percentage that are willing to go to EV if there's a compelling.

[Doug]

We are starting to see the, the rise of the first really good electric vehicles. I will say from Germany.

[Filippo]

Yeah, from.

[Doug]

From Germany and Sweden. The EX90 is the first compelling. Like there are some good. I know you don't like the EX90 but it's a great vehicle.

[Filippo]

It's a great vehicle. That's not compelling but IX is good.

[Kenan]

I find this car to be pretty compelling.

[Doug]

I think it's pretty cool and it's going to be fast. 465 horsepower.

[Kenan]

Well, it's going to be an R3. I really like that.

[Doug]

Speaking of Euro electrics, we got another debut this week.

[Kenan]

This is a big, big week for debut.

[Doug]

What is this thing?

[Filippo]

This is a Polestar 5.

[Doug]

I didn't, I didn't read much about this. This is a sedan.

[Filippo]

So yes, it is a sedan. That does not have a rear window, by the way. There's no rear window.

[Doug]

I saw that it was a sedan. I was kind. I just was kind of like, I'm good. Yeah. There's no rear when I'm looking.

[Filippo]

The reason this is both news and not.

[Doug]

But it has. But it has a. It has a full glass roof.

[Kenan]

Thank God.

[Doug]

And so what they do is, you should see this. They stop at the window, where the window would be. They're like, now we're going to. We're going to.

[Filippo]

That's fascinating. So Polestar has a bunch of other vehicles that they've been teasing for forever, that they've been set, are coming out that might be for sale in other markets, like China. This is the latest one and it's like a Grand Tour ev. Has all the power in the world, has all the range in the world. No single human will buy one.

[Doug]

Right. What's the range?

[Filippo]

Actually, not that much. It's 416, which is fine.

[Doug]

But U.S. ePA, it's a good question.

[Filippo]

I believe so. Yeah. And 872 horsepower. It's like, they're like flagship.

[Doug]

It's like a Taycan for a market.

[Filippo]

That doesn't want a flagship today.

[Doug]

Can I tell you about the Taycan? I don't know if you saw this, but the other day last night I went on Zillow and Anchorage. You saw this whole thing.

[Kenan]

I did. I ignored it, but I saw it.

[Doug]

I went on Zillow and Anchorage and I found a house in Anchorage currently listed for sale, that has an indoor tennis court, an indoor basketball court, an indoor swimming pool, an indoor hot tub, pool table. I mean. I mean, it's cold and you want to snuggle up with Filippo. You can do anything you want in this house.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug]

So I was like, you know, I could move to Anchorage for this house. And I started looking at the Porsche dealer and the Porsche dealer in Anchorage still has a Leftover Brand new 20, 23 Taycan. This is a 23. The 26 models are coming any day now.

[Kenan]

So it's had two birthdays at least.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug]

Right. Because it could have come out, it could be in the fall of 22. Right. Like, that car could have been sitting there already for three years. And regardless, it be soon, you know, 23 Taycan and it's got like a 140 sticker. And they're offering it for like 103, but I think 60 buys that car. Yep. The question is, when did they punch it And Start the warranty.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug]

And how did this dealer in Alaska get screwed with a two wheel drive Porsche Taycan?

[Filippo]

The cheapest one.

[Doug]

Anyway, my point with this is in Alaska they can't sell Taycans and in the rest of the world they can't sell Polestar 5s.

[Filippo]

Do you feel, I mean, to be clear, it just came out the, the Pulsar 4 also does have a rear window and is more competitive.

[Kenan]

I don't need a crystal ball to know.

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug]

Do you feel sad, Filippo, about what's happened with the Polestar brand? I just couldn't get there.

[Filippo]

Used by the Polestar brand. The Polestar 2 was really competitive, but then ters made it and exited the market basically.

[Doug]

And indeed it's no longer on sale.

[Filippo]

It's a Chinese brand, despite their, I mean their affiliation with Volvo. Volvo was purchased by Geely, which is a Chinese brand and Polestar is an offshoot of that.

[Doug]

But it's not a Chinese brand. Like it's, it's a, it's a Volvo brand.

[Filippo]

But, but it has been developed and built in China.

[Doug]

It has been a failure since, since day one.

[Filippo]

The Polestar one was a failure. Looked good.

[Kenan]

Too expensive.

[Doug]

The Polestar two became a failure.

[Filippo]

Was not a failure. Then tariffs made it a failure. Pulsar 3, also an appealing vehicle, but.

[Doug]

Is only available with massive incentives because no one has any interest in it. And now they're coming out with sedans.

[Filippo]

This will be sold in the US 300 something mile range for the high performance one, by the way. I don't think it's a vehicle that's developed for the US market.

[Doug]

We look at these cars and we see that's true. But is, is. Are there markets where these are successful?

[Filippo]

Yeah, China still has a sedan market.

[Doug]

The Lucid Air shows up, has horrible. I love it too. I do, I truly do. It's not successful.

[Filippo]

It's the coolest. It's. It's. I want 500 miles of range and the Lucid Air is the only one that does it. But I'm too cheap.

[Doug]

I agree. I think there's a lot of great stuff about Lucid Air. However, three mile long, it is not a successful car.

[Filippo]

Yeah, no.

[Doug]

And the Taycan has not been a huge hit. The Audi E, Tron gt, all of those.

[Filippo]

The Lucid Air exclusive. The. Some of the Chinese. The Chinese market still loves sedans and they love luxury sedans and that's where I think this is built for.

[Doug]

Great. Sell it in China.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Certainly won't be successful here or in Europe. Is my.

[Filippo]

No. Can you imagine like maybe like three in Germany? Four.

[Doug]

Well, it'll sell a little in Sweden because it's like the Swedish politicians will be driving this around.

[Kenan]

That's true.

[Doug]

Next one.

[Kenan]

Yeah, that's something they won't be driving around the port.

[Doug]

New Porsche 911 Turbo S. New Porsche 911 Turbo.

[Filippo]

It's a hybrid.

[Doug]

It has 700 horsepower.

[Kenan]

700 horsepower, yeah. So this car. 60 in 2.5 seconds. 0 to 125 and 8.4, which is ridiculous. Now of course, this is not. It's the new one. It's not terribly different looking than the top two.

[Filippo]

Isn't terribly different looking.

[Kenan]

No, exactly. And this, the notable things about this car is that it uses the E turbos that Porsche has developed, which are cool. It uses electronic motors to spin them up faster so you have less lag and thus makes it more. Makes the car even faster, which I think is a genius solution for that. The thing of this car, it also put an unofficial lap time around the ring when they were doing it in Pre testing of 7 minutes and 3.9 seconds, which is fast.

[Filippo]

Way faster.

[Kenan]

Nonetheless, this car, like I think they said, it's gonna start. The Turbo S is gonna start around $272,000 for the coupe and 286 for the convertible, 208 for the normal turbo, 214 for the cab, respectively. It's such an. The 911 Turbo is one of the great Swiss army knives of sports cars. You can do everything with it.

[Filippo]

It's.

[Kenan]

It's pretty subtle.

[Doug]

You kind of.

[Kenan]

It's like you have to know to know. I mean, again, truly, between the previous one and this, honestly, even for you, the991 in this might be hard for you to tell, hey, but. But it is just remarkable how exceptional this car is.

[Doug]

You know what it can't do? Hold its value.

[Kenan]

That is true. But, but it depreciate, I mean, depreciates less than other cars.

[Doug]

GTSs don't lose value. GT3s don't lose value.

[Filippo]

Comp.

[Doug]

The turbos are so expensive, you think.

[Filippo]

They lose that much value? I mean, compared to other.

[Doug]

Yeah, we sell 991 turbos now for 100, which is an unbelievable bargain.

[Filippo]

The non sticks from prior generations do not hold their value.

[Doug]

Unbelievable bargain. Pull up a991 Turbo. They've actually, they've actually climbed a lot.

[Filippo]

There's also no 992 Turbo manuals. The 991 Turbo was the last one.

[Doug]

That had no there's no 991 Turbo manuals is where it all came to an end.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I mean, but these cars. I mean. Yeah, the turbos don't hold their values. 2000 GT3s from this era are still at sticker. These cars are at less than half.

[Filippo]

Why are we calling that 20? 20?

[Doug]

Whatever, dude. This is a. This is an absolute. Look at that.

[Filippo]

I mean, that is a bargain.

[Doug]

Why don't you have one of these?

[Filippo]

Why don't I.

[Doug]

What's. What is this?

[Filippo]

Because I don't do. It's a tip.

[Doug]

Yeah, it's a. It's a. But it's a. It's a pdk.

[Filippo]

It's an amazing car.

[Kenan]

I understand, but Felipe likes me.

[Doug]

You know what the problem with the 911 turbos? Not that many people have been in them, and they don't realize how perfect they are once you've been in them. Everybody I know who's been. Who's been a 911 Turbo guy won't go out to anything else. Go back. Click on that silver coupon bay. No, there, There. That one. What's the deal with this one? Can I have this car? Is this still available? Scroll down. Looks like it's in Atlanta. I'll take this one. Oh, Baton rouge. The only 911 Turbo in Baton Rouge, I'll tell you that. Jesus.

[Filippo]

They do lose value, right? It's just insane, the performance that they deliver. Everybody should buy Turbo S's instead of GT3R.

[Kenan]

But of course, everybody knows that the 911 Turbo S is a fast car. It's not a surprise. The thing that I thought was very funny because I was reading through the press release, and right there in the bottom, it was talking about they also. Porsche design designers releasing a watch that goes along with it and which I'm like, yeah, great. Of course. And they're calling it. Oh, my God. They're calling it the Chronograph 911 Turbo S, which is just like. But the thing I found out, there's a configurator for the watches.

[Doug]

Oh, my God.

[Kenan]

That you can go to and you can design your watch. Now, obviously, everybody knows about the 911, like the configurator for Porsche.

[Filippo]

Other options.

[Kenan]

They even have it for their watch.

[Doug]

Can't stop.

[Kenan]

I also learned that they can do PTS colors from joking. And the watch. This is the. These aren't the watches specifically for this, but prices start at $11,292 for the Chronograph 911 Turbo.

[Doug]

I just I just, I. I would love Porsche so much if it wasn't for. They can't. This.

[Kenan]

They can't help it.

[Doug]

This thing. This sort of thing. I think, like the deviated stitching and the. I just. I would love Porsche so much. But they just. This. Just their culture sample watches.

[Kenan]

They know their market really well. But I thought that was the funniest thing about the whole. And I love watching, like, there was.

[Doug]

A time, you know, I was playing tennis today, I walked out and you know what was in the parking lot? A993 Targa.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug]

Stick.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug]

There was a time when Porsche would. When. When you saw a new Porsche and you didn't think to yourself, that person is. Is trying to show off. There was a time when it was a car for an enthusiast who enjoyed driving, and that was their only thing. And they weren't focused on what color their door handles were or which. Whether they had a globe time or a chronograph, whatever the hell, remind me.

[Filippo]

At that time, Porsche was profitable. Oh, no. They were bankrupt.

[Doug]

I don't know. Porsche's making more money because Porsche was making more money because they did the Starbucks thing. They created this sort of, like, beauty around what they do. Like, there's this. Everybody knows. There's these, like, code words and there's like this group that, like, if you're in, you're in. Meanwhile, courage and teaches the greatest car made. And they were all silver. Go. We have to move on from news. We've been doing news forever and God, we got onto watches.

[Kenan]

Yes, I got us there.

[Doug]

We need to move on to the talk car segment. I have a lot of talk.

[Filippo]

Talking cars. The cars talk.

[Doug]

The cars talk today. Wow.

[Kenan]

More like kit.

[Filippo]

There it is.

[Doug]

The talk car segment is brought to us by. I don't know. I didn't think of anything.

[Kenan]

Oh, my Globe Master I.

[Doug]

The only thing that's bringing us is shame.

[Kenan]

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[Doug]

All right, move on to. The. Move on to the first picture of the chalk car segment. I drove a couple of weeks ago, or maybe it was Friday. I drove out to Palm Springs where Ford was hosting the launch of the new Mustang gtd. And I drove my Ford gt because when every time I only say yes to going to Palm Springs because I can bring my 4 GT out there. And I. And I drove the Ford GTD and I drove the Ford GT. Non.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Kenan]

Non D. Were the engineers into you bringing the 4 GT?

[Doug]

I didn't. I didn't, like, park it at the hotel. Like, I just kind of. I found a separate parking lot for it.

[Filippo]

Been so thrilled to see it.

[Doug]

No, I don't. I wasn't on, like, a main wave of the event. I kind of snuck in between waves so I could, like, get the video that I needed to do. And so there weren't, like, people there.

[Filippo]

But how was the diesel version of the 4 GT?

[Doug]

I'm not allowed to talk about. About my experience, but I'll tell you this. You wear the suspension thing. There's a window in the car. You can see the suspension.

[Kenan]

Multimatic suspension.

[Doug]

I gotta tell you, I'm not allowed to talk about how it drives. But I gotta tell you, I think it looks so cool. The wide body and these, this opening here and the wing, which is mounted on the C pill. I didn't know any of this stuff until I did the research. Like, I haven't been paying that much attention to this car for some reason. And like, I did the research to go out there. Holy crap, this thing is Ballin.

[Filippo]

Now.

[Doug]

It's the same cost. These two cars are the same, or.

[Filippo]

A very high mile Ford gt.

[Doug]

My, my Ford gt and this GTD cost the same.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And that's a tough pill to swallow. I think. Like, it's a lot of money for a new Mustang. I told the guy without revealing how I feel about the driving. I told the guy that I would be interested in the car if it was a manual. And he laughed at me. So I don't think a manual's coming. That's my assumption.

[Filippo]

Assumption.

[Doug]

But it's a lot of money for a Mustang regardless of how it drives.

[Filippo]

But it's, it's not just a Mustang.

[Doug]

It's very special. And, and, and getting up with it, I realized just how special it is. This is a really like, there's so many cool tricks to this car. You know, the trunk doesn't open. The wing is mounted on the C pillar. And if you think about what that means, it means that the trunk doesn't open. And so the trunk, if only we're a hatchback. It's not that the trunk doesn't open. It's that you can open it, but you literally physically remove the painted trunk panel. I did this. You press the button on the key fob to pop it like a normal trunk.

[Filippo]

Wow. Really?

[Doug]

But then there are pins. You push and then you pull it off and like you have to put it somewhere and then it's open. But what's back there is the cooling for all the hydraulics. When you open it up, there's a radiator back there for cooling because there's so many hydraulic components to the car that are like concentration. And the transmission is in the trunk. The transaxle. As Kenan would say, crazy. The whole car is super trick.

[Kenan]

It is if you want to see a driving impression. Chris Harris recently did one with Max Verstappen where they went and drive what they're doing.

[Doug]

Drive. They told me no drives. What do you think of the gtd?

[Kenan]

I. I think it's really cool. I saw it at Quail last year when it was released and like just looking at the suspension uprights and how beautiful all the billet like work is and like just it's an exceptionally well put together car that, that said, it is still a Mustang. And so like it just. It's not in the most like crazy rapper of all cars. But nonetheless, if you're just about the driving, I. Which you can't talk about.

[Doug]

Pretty good job though of making it look like, I mean this from the.

[Kenan]

GT3Rs, like having the. Those open and kind of the turbo ish thing behind the Turns out it competes in.

[Doug]

Right. I asked the Ford guy, I was like, dude, why did you guys build this? Like what was going on? And they basically like Jim Farley was walking through, saw a GT3 car, said, can we do a road car of it? I'm sure there was some component enough. Porsche makes a ton of money doing this. Like, why don't we try.

[Filippo]

It's built in Canada, right?

[Doug]

It's built by Multimatic, so I guess it must be built in Canada. Okay, next talk cars segment. Please move on. Oh, I don't know why we're. I don't know what this is. I parked next to a 911 Targa at the mall the other day. Do you have any thoughts?

[Kenan]

Yeah, that person probably got in, didn't even look at your car. I'm like, no, I'm running late. No, no, that person did not.

[Doug]

That type of person doesn't look at their watch to see the time. Their watch is too. No, they just, they don't know how they look at their phone.

[Kenan]

There is someone who's wearing a watch that's not even set. They just admire the aesthet aesthetics and get in.

[Filippo]

They bought a white Target, so that's probably not true. But can we talk about the countryman in the farm?

[Doug]

Yeah, new countrymen.

[Filippo]

That's all I want to say.

[Doug]

I parked next to this Target and. And I was all excited because it was like, yeah, he like parked all the way over and you know, had mirrors were folded up. It was all.

[Filippo]

That's what happens if you lock on modern.

[Doug]

Well, you know, if you have the.

[Kenan]

It has the or.

[Doug]

He was all excited Target and I was like, ah, I'm gonna do this. But he didn't. I came back to the car before he did. I don't know why this is a thing. Sean wanted us to show the photo because it's a cool looking.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Kenan]

Our producer felt that this, the world has to see. This was his exact phrase.

[Doug]

Career GT and a targa. You know, imagine you walk out to your targa and there's a career flip out. Be like, what is happening here?

[Kenan]

I would lose my mind. Like I said, this person went home.

[Doug]

I wish they had.

[Filippo]

Okay, wow, a lot of dog stories here.

[Doug]

Yeah, there's a lot of. I don't know why there's so much right now. I was driving across the country a month ago and I'm in Oklahoma. Ish. And I come across this. You see this?

[Filippo]

That's Ford Everest.

[Doug]

This is a Ford Everest. And it hits me.

[Filippo]

That's Ford Everest.

[Doug]

Why doesn't Ford sell this vehicle in the United States of America?

[Filippo]

That makes no sense. I agree.

[Doug]

Pull up a Ford Everest tremor type in Ford Everest Tremor.

[Filippo]

Did it sell them in Mexico? Did they sell them like Australia and other San Diego?

[Doug]

So they probably don't sell.

[Filippo]

Yeah, right.

[Doug]

Look at this dude. It's based on the Ranger. This is a 4Runner. Yeah, this is a 4Runner. Why don't they do this? And I, I did. Honestly. Previous Everest models looked kind of bs. Yeah. And so I wasn't that into it. I didn't realize until I saw the one on the truck that new Everest models look like this. This is cool as hell. Why are you not selling this in the United States? What possible idiot reason have you come up with to not sell this in the United States?

[Kenan]

It does look awesome.

[Doug]

The 4Runner is such a killer. And it's based on their mid sized truck, the Tacoma. Well guess what. Ford has a midsize truck that they already sell here. And all they do they put a rear on it and they sell it like a 4Runner. Why don't they do this?

[Filippo]

It would be so competitive. I don't get it.

[Doug]

What is going on here? Go to another picture of it.

[Filippo]

I bet they, I I legitimately it's hard to explain why they don't. Obviously they have the Explorer which is a similar size. No, this is a two row.

[Doug]

The Edge is canceled years ago. The Edge hasn't been on the market in years. What is.

[Filippo]

I'm with you. Like I'm sure they think okay, the this is cannibalized sales from the Bronco. But it would also add sales to just do it. But like I'm with you.

[Doug]

Would it from the Bronco people. People want to lift off roof. The Bronco is one thing. This is a 4Runner. Like give us this car. It's so clear now that it looks like this. And is this the previous Everest was a little wimpy if I'm honest. Like if you look at the picture of the previous it was a little wimpy. This is not wimp.

[Filippo]

Although the non tremor trim also still a little.

[Doug]

Maybe.

[Filippo]

But like but who cares?

[Doug]

Maybe. But that's true of lesser four runners.

[Filippo]

Right?

[Doug]

The TRD off roads are like they.

[Filippo]

Should 100% sell it.

[Doug]

Well, it doesn't make any sense. And I realized that I saw. I don't know why I was driving along and saw this one on this truck. I don't know what it was doing in the middle of the country. Had a Michigan manufacturer Plate. The rest of the cars in the truck were also all Fords, but they weren't foreign market ones. And I realized, like, this is what the Everest looks now. This car should be sold in the United States. If this podcast makes one contribution to the world, and it may not, I hope that it's that we get the Everest to sell in the city.

[Filippo]

I feel like we should remind Mr. Jim Farley that Toyota has 17 trillion SUVs. And sure they slightly compete with each other, the land Cruiser and 4Runner especially. And it's okay, they still sell a lot of each one of them.

[Doug]

Plus, how hard could it be to homologate this for the US you sell the Ranger, the engine, the platform, it's all the same. There's nothing different. How hard could this be? Sell the damn car to here. It's a 4Runner.

[Filippo]

Y.

[Doug]

Don't you want another 4Runner?

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

They could call the 5.

[Filippo]

We're not going to talk about the Bill of Rights.

[Doug]

All right. This is the best story of.

[Filippo]

Move on.

[Doug]

This is the best story of them all. I was in. I was in Monterey. A lot of highlights of car week. But the number one highlight was seeing the California Bill of Rights license plate.

[Filippo]

Was that only available in 1991? Yes, it was like a. A 200 year celebration.

[Doug]

They only. They only 1790.

[Filippo]

91, which was the.

[Doug]

The Bill of Rights. You know, it's funny, everybody thinks 1776 is.

[Filippo]

No, that was the first Declaration of Independence. The Constitution was 1787. Yeah, so.

[Doug]

So 1791, some other date.

[Filippo]

Yeah. California became a.

[Doug]

No, I'm not really sure. I think maybe, maybe that maybe the Bill of Rights was finished in 1791.

[Filippo]

But anyway, the point is they were ratified in 1791.

[Doug]

There you go. And no other state commemorated this in any way. And I'm not entirely sure what its significance was to California, nor why they chose to commemor with a special license plate and put Liberty, which is quite ugly, and why the Liberty Bell is on it. They all ended in us. I forgot that the Bill of Rights.

[Filippo]

Wasn'T part of the original Constitution.

[Doug]

I've only seen two. I've only seen two of these in the wild, these license plates. And I would use anything for one.

[Filippo]

Yeah, great.

[Doug]

They go on ebay. They sell for like a thousand bucks.

[Filippo]

Can they still be used?

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

That'd be legit.

[Doug]

I know. And this one is being used. It was on some old car.

[Filippo]

What we saw in the prior picture is that your career GT has press photographer plates this beats press.

[Doug]

Legitimate member of the media. I can't believe that this is even being discussed. No, no, I, I'm, I'm.

[Filippo]

I'm supportive.

[Doug]

Okay. We got to talk about Nick. No, this is. Can we talk about something? No, we got to talk about Nick. This is the most important thing that's happened this week in the automotive sphere. Nick. Crazy Nick. As you know him, boys. He's on this podcast when they're out of town town. He sometimes comes on our videos. God knows why. I think it's because he doesn't have anything to do.

[Filippo]

Oh, he's crazy.

[Doug]

He's created his own YouTube channel, which is his name, Nick Roshan. And he's made some videos and you got to go and watch them.

[Filippo]

They're so good.

[Doug]

They're interesting. They're unhinged. They're Nick. They're very Nick. Yeah, they're very good in the sense that they are Nick.

[Filippo]

I. I see Nick regularly. And the days that I miss seeing Nick just watch a video.

[Doug]

I gotta be honest, too. The videos are Nick on like seven.

[Filippo]

Oh, yeah.

[Doug]

Like irl Nick. Like, he definitely can't say some of the stuff he says in real life.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Doug]

But like, but like, even then, like, he's not quite as crazy in the videos, but they're still great and they're still worth watching.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

You agree?

[Filippo]

I'm disappointed. He didn't put the accent mark on mercielago in the title.

[Doug]

So he's got one that just came out and he's got another one. Nick has been in our content. We've been doing stuff with him. I think we'll probably continue to do stuff with him.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Nonetheless, he's now got his own stuff, and I want you all to go to his channel and honestly, stop watching my videos and start watching Nick's videos. They are more exciting.

[Filippo]

You will learn less, but they are more exciting.

[Kenan]

You will feel shock.

[Doug]

No production quality is somehow worse than mine, which is hard. But nonetheless, these. This is good, legitimate content.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug]

Don't you agree?

[Filippo]

I do, fully. I watched that video today.

[Doug]

Yeah, that's good.

[Kenan]

I can only imagine. What do you think hits the cutting room floor?

[Filippo]

Very little. Very little. All right, can we talk about other things that are exciting?

[Doug]

What do you got?

[Filippo]

All right. In just about a month, Kenan and I will be at Road Atlanta for IMTA's Petit Le Mans race. It's a 10 hour endurance race that includes cars like the Mustang. Mustang GCD probably besting GT3. Yeah, but that's like the Same.

[Doug]

Well, okay.

[Filippo]

Couple of things. You will have a car corral or cars and coffee that's in the paddock. So right next to where all the teams have their race cars, we will be there. We're going to have a community post and we have an events page now that has event. We'll have a community post where you, if you are nearby, if you want to bring your car to that, submit it, tell us a little bit of information about it and we'll be able to pick like 40 ish people. 40, 40 ish cars.

[Doug]

Why can't we do like 200?

[Filippo]

We don't have the space. Space yet.

[Doug]

Yet.

[Filippo]

Yet.

[Doug]

You think next year we'll have keep.

[Filippo]

That in mind but bring out your cool car. Submit it at the community post.

[Doug]

Let me ask, we will also.

[Filippo]

Who gets to choose which cars come personally, I do.

[Kenan]

Oh, I have input into this. Don't worry.

[Doug]

If you got. If you got a Saab 93 sub.

[Filippo]

The last one there was a Saab 93, big in a yellow color and it was so cool. That was a car, 50 of them in the world. That was a car of the show. There were other good cars, but that.

[Kenan]

Was a car of the show. Some people say on the freeway.

[Doug]

Yes. Yesterday I was in the Palisade and I got passed by someone going hard in a Saab 9:3.

[Filippo]

What a dream. Big, regular.

[Doug]

Regular. But it was the hatchback one, the 99. Aftermarket exhaust, aftermarket wheels. He was living the dream.

[Kenan]

Maybe it was a little bit on fire and he thought going faster would put it out.

[Doug]

No, no, no.

[Filippo]

We also will have a charity auction up on cars and bits. The first like experience auction we've ever done because we're going to be giving away in partnership with IMSA a couple of VA tickets. And the charity auction will also include dinner with Kenan and I on one of the days around the race and a bunch of other extras. A lap around the track with a professional race driver, a pit lane path, all a bunch of other cool stuff with all proceeds going to charity. So check that out too.

[Doug]

I would like to have dinner with you guys.

[Kenan]

I'll see you tonight.

[Filippo]

I mean bid. You know, we'll see what happens.

[Doug]

You know, I had dinner with Kenan and Filipo last night.

[Filippo]

Yeah, Way too often.

[Kenan]

Way too.

[Doug]

And it was a great experience. It was an absolutely great experience.

[Filippo]

It always is.

[Doug]

Filippo talked about his 500 a bar.

[Filippo]

I didn't. I should have.

[Kenan]

No, actually distinctly did not rode at.

[Doug]

Petite Le Mans, which is the crown jewel of the of the IMSA series.

[Filippo]

Season at Road Atlanta.

[Doug]

Road Atlanta, which is the crown jewel racetrack in the state of Georgia.

[Filippo]

October 10th and 11th.

[Doug]

October 10th and 11th, you'll be. There will be a roadside trackside cars.

[Filippo]

And cars in the paddock. It's going to be really cool.

[Doug]

Legitimately come by. So let me ask you a question about the paddock.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

You're there doing the cars and coffee while the race is happening.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Quite loud the entire time. It'll be quiet. 10 hours of Filippo, 10 hours of Felipe.

[Doug]

You don't even need the dinner. You actually going to be at the race for 10 hours?

[Filippo]

Yeah, I'll be there for longer.

[Doug]

I've been to Petit Le Mans five times probably in my life, and I've never even come close to staying for the entirety of the race.

[Filippo]

But I'm excited to be there and meet everybody.

[Doug]

It's long, dude.

[Kenan]

Well, yeah. Hardcore endurance, baby.

[Doug]

Last time I was there, I saw, Swear to God, racing and Georgia combined into one. I have a picture of a guy who was camping because it's a long race and people camp and like grill and all that. And there's a ton of like, green space where you can just kind of park and do that camping with a Dodge pickup and Testarossa.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug]

It's an amazing photo.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug]

I'll pull it up.

[Filippo]

That guy is listening. Bring, bring your Testarossa.

[Doug]

Do we have anything else?

[Filippo]

Yeah, one other thing where you can see Kenan and I by. This is purely. What happened to this? Next week, Wednesday. Next Wednesday we'll be at the Peterson. They are doing a trivia night. If you go down a little bit.

[Doug]

This is the 17th.

[Filippo]

This is the 17th. Kenan and I will be emceeing this event. So you get to both suffer and then enjoy the parts where Kenan's talking.

[Doug]

This is not my countach on this picture. Do you want to know how you can tell?

[Filippo]

So anyway, got a white interior.

[Doug]

No. What's the easiest way to tell the front bumper is not scratched.

[Kenan]

That is true.

[Filippo]

The white interior is not that good.

[Doug]

A little. Right. Every time I see a picture of Kash, I look to see if the front bumper is scraped. It's like, oh, it's mine. Or no, it's not. Don't even need to look at the.

[Filippo]

Come, come. Do some 80s and 90s trivia.

[Doug]

So it's 80s and 90s trivia, not car related?

[Filippo]

No, no car related.

[Doug]

Oh, it's only car related.

[Filippo]

I, I, I haven't. We don't know.

[Doug]

We don't know, but you're going to tbd. You're gonna emcee it. Have you ever emceed anything before?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Okay. All right. Next we gotta. Next we gotta move on to the market report. However, we don't have any time for the market report.

[Filippo]

Shame. True. Shame, but true.

[Doug]

Except your. Your market report story. I want to talk about the Trans Am.

[Filippo]

Can you pull the Trans Am? We sold the Trans am yesterday for $26,000.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

This is a nice. Trans Am is the one we want.

[Doug]

I wanted it so bad.

[Filippo]

One owner unmodified, 22,000 miles.

[Doug]

This is such a cool.

[Filippo]

26 grand is a deal for that. At the same time, it's so expensive for a Firebird Trans Am.

[Doug]

No, dude, I agree with you that it's both a deal and too expensive.

[Filippo]

And I just like. I'm like conflicted at home.

[Kenan]

I remember we. I worked. The ex car dealership I worked at had one come in and it had 41 miles on.

[Filippo]

It was yellow.

[Kenan]

I got to drive it unbelievably.

[Doug]

Pull up the nostril.

[Kenan]

We sold that in the 40s.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I mean these are worth money. Look at these nostrils. So I think look at these nostrils. These nostrils make an F50 look like a. Look like a tasteful nose job.

[Kenan]

Yeah. This is a lot.

[Doug]

Look at this.

[Kenan]

That's what you want, of course.

[Doug]

Oh, of course.

[Filippo]

Did it have Ram Air?

[Doug]

Yeah, that was Ram Air. Ram Air. That was the Ram Air hood.

[Filippo]

I thought it was an option. Even though.

[Doug]

No. Maybe early ones, but not by. This must be an 02.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Doug]

Not by then. And it just looks. This was muscle. Like. Like this wasn't them trying to retro muscle. This was them trying to still be muscle. I love this interior too. It is so gm.

[Kenan]

It is insultingly fat.

[Filippo]

So gm.

[Doug]

I love this car so much. I have still to this day never done a video on a 4th gen. And I want to so bad because they're not in California. These cars don't exist in California.

[Kenan]

It's a midwestern hero and.

[Doug]

Or the case of this car, Florida.

[Filippo]

Just like what's a low mile C5 Corvette? I guess it's the same cost for like a regular Corvette.

[Doug]

I would so much rather have this. I love a C5. It's a good car. But this is way more special. The power was not that different. It's just like so baller looking. Like it just is.

[Filippo]

It's like is it cheap? Is it expensive? I don't know.

[Doug]

I love a good WS6 to this day when I see a W6 on the road, I turn my head and watch it go by and think to myself that guy's got three divorces. But this a cool car.

[Filippo]

When was the last time you saw one?

[Doug]

You rarely do. And now it's not. They're kind of past the three divorce guys. That was true when I was a kid but now it's like on to people who are like really enthusiastic car.

[Kenan]

Just saw a guy getting a pack of Marboros. Think about when I was a kid.

[Doug]

That wasn't even a joke. When I was a kid that was who had those cars.

[Kenan]

I remember that they just had those really foamy beer koozies at their. You know you could just picture everything.

[Filippo]

I saw Grand Am the other day, the second plus.

[Doug]

Oh, the pointy one. 94 to 98.

[Filippo]

Yeah, that was a vibe.

[Doug]

Little Pontiac. Little Pontiac pun from him.

[Filippo]

Uhhuh.

[Doug]

Okay, other market report I want to talk about before we get to questions. The Cadillac ATS V. We just sold a Cadillac ATS v coupe for 28 and I struggled. I started looking at these and it got me a thinking. Oh, do you know what this car is and has and, and and and is.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it's a six cylinder.

[Filippo]

It's a twin turbo V6 4. It's a lot.

[Doug]

It's a six cylinder, I will grant you but it is a twin turbo. Have you ever driven one?

[Kenan]

No, only a CT5B.

[Filippo]

A little different now.

[Kenan]

I will, I will say if you want a manual transmission.

[Doug]

No, I've never driven a Jaguar X Type. Only an X 220.

[Kenan]

Well that's the Ken and white. But I will say for you, for the, for the sedans, if you want a manual transmission sedan Your options are WRX CT5V CT4V. Well like current production brand this is.

[Doug]

A fairly recent new car and I have to say that now these seem to. I don't know why there's a Camaro in this but they seem to now be running in the low 30s to high 20s.

[Filippo]

Yeah, which is a lot of car for the money.

[Doug]

Pyons went for 78.

[Filippo]

I just think go to the 2951.

[Doug]

Yeah well it was modded like et cetera. I'm sure that turned off some people. It looks like the kind of mods that probably they deleted some emissions equipment. I noticed it as Tennessee plates. Probably wouldn't be legal in a lot of states but nonetheless the point is at 30 for a 465 horsepower car. Everybody talks about CT5V Blackwing, CT4V Blackwing, which are still very expensive cars that have held their value quite well to me at this 465 horsepower. This is still a really legitimate car. I think it was 443 horsepower, wasn't it?

[Kenan]

443, yeah.

[Doug]

Right.

[Filippo]

464.

[Doug]

That's a real number. Like these are real cars and they're modern enough. It isn't the CT4V Black Wing. It isn't the CT5V Blackwing.

[Kenan]

But it turns out pretty cool.

[Doug]

It's a nine year old car that like still looks. I mean this looks not that different from a CT4V Blackwing. I kind of prefer the rear window treatment, the rear brake light treatment on the ats.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I'll be honest. Completely. I did not realize that it was what I was talking about. I thought it was the CT4B Black Wing. It's the kind of.

[Filippo]

It is a lot.

[Kenan]

There's a lot of the same. No, you think this is pretty compelling car.

[Filippo]

Would you rather have it than an M3 M4? Those are not dissimilar in price.

[Doug]

I don't know about rather my presumption is that this is more reliable and I've owned a lot of AMGs and M's and I've owned a couple of V's and the V's were always more reliable.

[Kenan]

The BMW is nicer inside and probably better, but this is probably more reliable.

[Doug]

I just, I don't know, given the size too because they're like, you know, B5S4 kind of size cars. A little bigger. But they're not big. Right. They're not like modern big old CT5V black wing thing. There was a coupe. I prefer the sedan in terms of just practicality. They both seem like their deals as they start to approach the high 20s for 465 horsepower and a good car.

[Filippo]

I'm with you.

[Kenan]

What about the floor is for these in the end? Yeah, I mean this one, the modded one had 81,000 miles on it and.

[Doug]

Still sold for 30. So they're probably near a floor which means they're probably not really going to lose that much more value. We've seen with V2s, the second gen CTS. V, we call them V2s.

[Filippo]

Me if we do.

[Kenan]

No, I'm from the Midwest. I call it the V2.

[Doug]

Hell yeah. We've seen that the V2s, that there is a floor like there is a number where cars do not go below for a step.

[Filippo]

Stick one.

[Doug]

Yeah, for a stick one. Which is what I'M advocating for here. Although I think the autos are probably good too.

[Filippo]

I fully agree with you. I. I don't think that they're like bargains. The M3, the. The F80, M3 and F82 M4 are not that dissimilar in price. But I would at this point almost rather have an ATSV.

[Kenan]

I wonder if this sounds good because the M3 and M4, that generation do not.

[Doug]

I haven't driven one in forever. I haven't driven one forever. But I remember liking it at the time and I look at the car and I think this still looks good.

[Filippo]

It does.

[Doug]

It's still cool. It's still got power. That feels like a good amount for a modern, you know, vehicle.

[Filippo]

40 more horsepower, 10% more horsepower than the F80 M2, F82 M4 and they.

[Doug]

Cost like less than a new WRX. I know what you're saying. Yeah, the people know. Okay, we got to move on to questions, questions, questions. I remember you too can ask us questions. You go to cars and not Bono, he doesn't ask us questions. But he could, he could. You go to carsonvins.com you click on the community tab and then there will be a post that says ask your questions and then you can ask your questions. This week we had some good ones. Not a lot of great ones, but the ones that were great, we're great. Starting with question from JSTUR388 for Doug Whistland Diesel hit 10 million subscribers. Hell yeah. He did.

[Filippo]

Really? Wow.

[Doug]

Which means that the world is getting a Bugatti durability test. Cost no object. What vehicle would you want a durability test whistling style XJT20.

[Filippo]

That would not. Oh, imagine that's a three minute video, right? Yeah.

[Doug]

The durability test is driving it. Turning it on. Do you think going down the street.

[Kenan]

Right? Yeah. Trying to figure out where Don Law's actual address is.

[Doug]

I would love an X2020 durability tested. EB110 durability. Like let's durability test an old school and like go for it. You know.

[Filippo]

I love that plan. Do you think that it will perform better than a subscriber durability test?

[Doug]

Anyway, I. Those are the cars that I would love to see like a really like vaunted beloved 80s or 90s like a Vector W8 durability test. Like let's see. We all know that that car is beloved and like let's what it looks like getting smashed and lit into a lit on fire. In a field. You know what?

[Filippo]

I'm like, love that idea.

[Doug]

No one's going to do that. And I'm very curious how whistling's going to end up doing this Bugatti durability test.

[Filippo]

First, he's got to buy one.

[Doug]

They're very expensive.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Like, very expensive.

[Filippo]

I assume I'll do better than his subscriber durability test.

[Doug]

You know what? You know what Ed Bulan should do is get in contact with. Sell his V. Cody. No, he should call him and be like, look, it sounds like you're going to have some voice Veyron parts available soon. Well, no, he's gonna do a Veyron durability. No, he just said it. Bugatti. He never announced which one.

[Kenan]

But you have to be a type 37.

[Doug]

If he was smart, he would buy an old Bugatti because they sell. You couldn't get old bugatti for like 250 or 300, and he would buy one of those.

[Filippo]

Cody does not disappoint his subscribers. Except for.

[Doug]

Except for some reason. I'm not disappointed by any of it. I want to just say Cody has never disappointed. Disappointed me personally.

[Kenan]

We're here for all of it.

[Doug]

Anyway, I'm excited. And those are the vehicles that I would do. Okay, next question. This is a good one, and I think you should think of it, too.

[Filippo]

Okay.

[Doug]

From Ammonia for Doug. In an alternate universe where the Carrera gt, Ford gt, and Countach were only produced with automatic transmissions, but all other cars had their manual, their. Whatever transmission they had, how would you change your collection? I would not have any of the three, for sure. But it's an interesting question.

[Filippo]

You know, I. There's a car that comes to mind that is the value of those three combined. Yeah.

[Doug]

An F40. I guess I'd have an F40.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

If there was never a Carrera GT.

[Kenan]

Just say the answer is you'd have a Ferrari badge in the garage. That's what it. That's the answer.

[Doug]

If there was never a career GT, I guess I would have got an F40 and probably a Diablo or, like.

[Filippo]

A Viper, because that's like a 4GT replacement.

[Kenan]

Yeah, Diablo is pretty. Diablo is pretty cool because that would.

[Doug]

Still have kept its transmission.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Kenan]

And it's a surprisingly decent car to drive, and it is insane.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

So you have a Countach.

[Filippo]

All right.

[Doug]

No, the Countach is gone. I'd have an F40 and a Diablo.

[Filippo]

I guess that'd be cool. Damn.

[Doug]

I guess I think that's probably what I would.

[Filippo]

What I would drive around in though, because like the 42 is your beater.

[Doug]

I know it's sad. A 911, I bet. I bet I'd get like a Targa.

[Kenan]

He'd have a Cobra terminator.

[Filippo]

Cobra. Oh, Mr. Chrome.

[Kenan]

Oh, there you go, Dream.

[Doug]

There you go.

[Filippo]

Man.

[Doug]

Probably that. Probably my garage wouldn't be. Would be sort of similar to that. Maybe not exactly. I may have to think about it a little more. But it probably sort of similar. Same question to you. What if the E39 M5 had never been a manual, but every other car was the same.

[Kenan]

It was going to originally have an SMG transmission. They couldn't get it.

[Doug]

So was crew gt.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

So it's crazy.

[Kenan]

Thank God.

[Doug]

Imagine.

[Kenan]

I know we came this close.

[Filippo]

No, Kevin would be such an apologist for the smg. He would still have anything. Oh, no, I'm not have an smg.

[Kenan]

That's not true. I don't think I would have liked the car anywhere near as much because otherwise. Because to be honest with you, when that car came into my life like the E55AMG was what I really.

[Filippo]

Oh yeah.

[Kenan]

Because it had an automatic.

[Doug]

So what would you get if you couldn't get a stick on an Ethernet? I assume you wouldn't still have the car.

[Kenan]

No, I probably. Probably not. I don't know. That's a really good question.

[Filippo]

Is a good answer. But you would have gone rid of it by now.

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kenan]

211 55.

[Doug]

He'd probably have dabbled more like. Actually, it probably is better. Kenan.

[Filippo]

Right. Wow.

[Doug]

He probably would have all sorts of different experiences and interests.

[Kenan]

They would have been much more reliable. Would have spent less money, probably.

[Filippo]

And.

[Kenan]

Yeah, that's probably true.

[Filippo]

Huh?

[Kenan]

Probably true. But ultimately, you know, let's. Yeah, probably E55AMG is probably.

[Doug]

You know what? In both of those worlds. In both of those worlds, the world would be worse.

[Kenan]

Oh, thanks. I think.

[Doug]

Okay, next question from waza. I feel like Doug's got beef with Matt Watson from car. Wow. No way. First off, I don't have beef with anybody. It's hard to explain the level of. Well, not caring is one. But also support I. Look, the deal is this. We took this big investment in business. I took a lot of money off the table. I used to be really intense about my kind of rivalries with some of my other crazy creators. I don't feel that way at all anymore. I am super supportive and I want everybody else to have kind of the same opportunities that I had. And I really, really Want, like, cheer for everybody's success. Matt has done above and beyond better than almost anybody. I personally think he really ought to take his brand and go out and kind of do his own thing a little bit more than he does, which he does already do that. But Matt is great. I've met him. I think he's awesome. I love him. I love every, every car. I can't think of anybody.

[Filippo]

There's an exception.

[Doug]

Do I hate anybody? Who do I hate?

[Filippo]

So the guy named Spike Ferrison challenged you to a tennis match and you've said no. And I consider that to be personal.

[Doug]

I haven't said no to playing Spike. I just am not going to go to LA to play tennis with a guy I'm not going to drive three and a half. I love Spike. I'll play with him at some point if we're ever in the same place. But no, I truly don't have any. I truly do not have any beef with anybody that I can throw think of is there someone that I should be thinking of? Some people don't like me, which I don't. I don't. Yeah, I, I don't necessarily blame them for. There are a lot of people who devoted. There are a lot of people who devoted, like, real effort to this craft. And a guy with shorts showed up and like, did this. And I, I understand how that would be frustrating. And there. I can think of three or four people in the space who are not Doug fans. And I think regardless of the reason they give, that is probably the real reason they don't.

[Filippo]

I, I will say I can't think of anybody. But for comedic reasons, I will keep pretending that there is somebody.

[Doug]

Oh. That I don't like.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Yeah. I just don't know who that is.

[Doug]

There was a time when. There was never a time when I didn't like anybody in the space, but there was. There were times when. There were times when I was really competitive with some other channels. And I know they were competitive with me too, even though we didn't talk about it. Trying to get this car first or that number of views or whatever. And that competition feeling is gone away now. And I really, really, truly wish for the best for all these guys. And a lot of them come to me and ask opinions. Hey, what do you think I should do here? What is this? You know, I've kind of taken on this sort of grandfatherly role in car. YouTube. Okay, next question. Question. These are Ken and these are two good ones.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug]

For you in a row.

[Kenan]

Cool.

[Doug]

Number one from Boris, Frank Kennan. Would you go into the details of the F355 purchase? Did you finance? Was it a good deal? How could you afford it in general? It would be quite interesting and inspiring to how you hear how you managed to get your dream car at such a young age.

[Kenan]

Yep. So, I mean, I did say for a pretty long time. I set out to have settled on the goal of having the car when I was 10. Actually. The car that started all happens to be in the office right now. The 355 that started it all happens to be here.

[Doug]

Tip Cab.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it is Tip Cab. But, you know, that's. That was the first exotic car experience I have, and, man, is it special. But anyway, I rode in that car one time in late May 2005, and I really got all the cars that I wanted of a 355 and I started working and saving. And then I used it as my motivation through school to keep working and all these things. Eventually I got to cars and bids and things were going well. We got an investment from the company. Company got some money out of that too. And that was the time it was like I realized it's like the values were also starting to go up very fast. All of a sudden, 355s, even spiders, were really taken off. I thought, finally, I'm at the point where I can afford this car. Is the goal post going to get moved because the market realizes how special it is? So I jumped into one and I bought the car. I did finance a part of it because the rates weren't that bad at the time. And so I did that and arriving at that point when there's a difference between. Between being able to do something and then you should do something. And that was the problem because I rushed a little bit too much into that one. I did a PPI on it. I did all my due diligence, and I still ended up with the wrong car. So I. But I was in such a hurry to buy one that ultimately I got one that wasn't the color I wanted and a whole bunch of other situations. And that was where it started.

[Filippo]

You then fixed the things that were problematic.

[Kenan]

And I did fix all the things that were problematic. We sold on the site for more than. Much more than I paid for it, even with the maintenance in it, which I was very fortunate to do so. But I did get to have the experience. It didn't actually cost me anything.

[Doug]

We ever want to have the experience again.

[Kenan]

Absolutely.

[Doug]

Wow.

[Kenan]

The thing with the 350, that blue.

[Doug]

Salvage title GTS that was in that.

[Filippo]

Plus he wanted the perfect one. Instead he gets one that's a different body.

[Kenan]

What I want is stick gts. I want the that car mar transmission. I want Rosa Corsa 10 Spider 98, six speed. That's the car I want and I will do it again. But there's a thing about Ferraris that they're great third cars. They are not good as a secondary sports car experience. It's not fast enough. It's not. The inputs aren't as good. As good as, like, to be honest with you, a Porsche. I think having my car, a Porsche and then maybe a Ferrari down the road, wow. Is like the right road to go down. But it was wonderful. I. My goal was to have it before I was 30 and I accomplished that because Enzo Ferrari once said, I build cars for young men. Only old men can afford them. And so that's why I did it. But I do have regrets about it. But I also don't regret the first time driving down the PCH and screaming to myself going, I, this is it.

[Doug]

And plus, you got out of it. I mean, like, I think ultimately you shouldn't have any regrets at the end of the day. Like, you sold it, you know, like, you got in, you got out, you did what you wanted. You could go.

[Kenan]

Well, my regrets are that it so hurt me to have set that as a target that now I like. The reason I haven't bought another car is like, well, partially because I don't want to spend a hundred thousand dollars on another car right now, but it's a bad time to do that. But also, there's just nothing that was as much of a North Star as that car was for me. It's just like, it's just the coolest. And I still think they are just the coolest. And it sounds so damn awesome. And there's nothing that delivers. I think I will approach it with a different perspective when I do it again.

[Filippo]

Expectations.

[Doug]

Canon. Canon is it. Canon is still interested.

[Kenan]

Look at it.

[Filippo]

I agree. There's like a Met year, that one.

[Kenan]

Yeah. My friend Ryan and Gary's car is immaculate and I'm going to miss it when it leaves the office. But it's a treat to have it here for now while they're redoing their garage floor. They can do that again anytime they want. I like seeing it.

[Doug]

Okay, next question. Next question. There's a couple more good questions. We're running out of time here. What do we do? This one's from me and Filippo.

[Filippo]

Oh, wow.

[Doug]

King Burrito 3. What are your guys favorite everyday cars? If you were buying a boring consumer economy car, what would you choose? I think about this a lot because I only ever drive special cars and some days I just wish that I was blending in and I think what would I get? Like occasionally I'll be in a press car and it's just like a hybrid SUV and I'm like this is kind of nice. And you know what I would. You know what I would hope. I often have thought about this that I would find my way to is an Accord hybrid. It's a good answer.

[Kenan]

That's a good answer.

[Doug]

I would hope that I not entirely enthusiast Doug found his way into a cord hybrid or maybe a CRV hybrid. The person writing in actually says that he just got an insight that too. I would. The most recent one like the one that just ended. I would love one of those two. Anything like that.

[Filippo]

Right? Yeah, I'm a very situation specific. I would optimize for what my needs were at that moment. So there's a lot of cars but I strongly think the market GTI is one of the best all around. Like economy. Yeah. But it's also like normal car. There's a lot it would so depend on which was cheapest at that moment. An Ionic five. A regular Ionic five round like enough practicality, enough ground clearance. There's a trillion cars that are all just incredibly good buys for that purpose. Yeah.

[Kenan]

Truly 5 is probably the right one.

[Filippo]

Sorry Ionic 5, but there's a lot of others too.

[Doug]

I would just. If I weren't into cars, I think I would buy for longevity and I don't think at least EV would be what I would be looking for. I think that I, knowing me and knowing how I treat other products that I don't care about would just buy something that's like, like good and lasts.

[Filippo]

And a court hybrid's not a bad.

[Doug]

And I would get an Accord hybrid and I would just be like happy to get a midsize sedan with 40 miles per gallon and I'd be totally chill with that.

[Filippo]

There are a lot of other good. I have like a mental list of the order. I would go in to consider it. I just haven't done that experiment in a while.

[Kenan]

Yeah, the lottery was a billion dollars recently and we all had our supercar dreams. Filippo had his practical car dreams of the list you supercars.

[Filippo]

There's no supercar I would buy even if I won the lottery.

[Doug]

Well right. That's what he said. You were the practical.

[Filippo]

No, I know. I just want to confirm that for everybody. If anybody had a confusion, you know.

[Doug]

Felipe, you didn't need to Last question, we're going to stop here. Even though there's some other good ones, we'll do them another time. Too soon. Junior asks question for Doug do you have any insight into what seems like the death of automotive content on YouTube? Many once popular channels are now struggling to average 20 to 50,000 views per video. Short form Filipa, tell them about short form because you love short form.

[Filippo]

I do love short form. YouTube has changed. First of all, just because a channel was successful once. If they didn't adapt, pay attention to what their viewers wanted to watch, views will go down. Not so good. They're a bad creator or bad at it. Just if they want to keep making the same type of content, their views will probably change and go down. They might go back up at some point, but what consumers want changes. Short form is also at this point the discovery mechanism for YouTube. If you want to be discovered as creator on YouTube or Instagram or TikTok, short form is the answer to that because that is what each of those platforms is pushing as a way to engage users. So you're much more going to get discovered with your short form, which can translate to long form content too.

[Doug]

Sometimes this is not unique to automotive the person writes in asking about the death of automotive content, I presume because they are an automotive content viewer. However, I have noticed this upon on basically every type of content because a lot of people have moved to short form and Felipe's like the younger generation has no attention.

[Filippo]

I never said that.

[Doug]

There's also people who say that, but I hear that from people.

[Filippo]

There's also long form that still performs well, but it's from different creators or a different style of content or a different format. It changes, but you should keep supporting the channels that you like the content of. And a lot of channels have understood that like the smoking tire does, that a Patreon is a good way for them to keep doing similar content or other ways to support them with merch or whatever else where you can still try to get the content that you're looking for.

[Doug]

Yep, but that's it. Short form killed long form.

[Filippo]

Tastes change. Short form has not killed long form.

[Doug]

It's all over.

[Filippo]

It's changed the discovery for content.

[Doug]

Thank you for watching our podcast everyone.

[Filippo]

With a very long form that it.

[Doug]

Is the finest pod forms, the longest of forms. Goodbye.

[Filippo]

Bye.

[Kenan]

Goodbye.